The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #44 with John Kavanagh & George Lockhart

00:00:01.000 Here we go.

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00:00:07.000 George Lockhart, John Cavanaugh.

00:00:09.000 How are you, folks?

00:00:10.000 Hello, sir.

00:00:11.000 Doing great.

00:00:12.000 Good to see you.

00:00:12.000 Good to be here.

00:00:14.000 So, Saturday night, what are your thoughts?

00:00:18.000 Now that we're sitting here, it's Monday morning, the Khabib-McGregor fight went down Saturday night.

00:00:26.000 Obviously, hugely disappointed that we didn't get the result on the night.

00:00:30.000 I still enjoyed it.

00:00:31.000 I thought it was a great fight.

00:00:32.000 I'm looking forward to watching it back many times.

00:00:34.000 All of Conor's fights, I always pull all the lessons away that I can pass on to the next generation of guys.

00:00:41.000 Overall, I really enjoyed the fight and I'm devastated that we didn't get the win.

00:00:46.000 How much time did you have to prepare for this fight?

00:00:49.000 I mean, he's always in the gym.

00:00:51.000 He's always knocking about.

00:00:52.000 But I guess it was official about 10 weeks out.

00:00:55.000 But even since the Eddie fight, I kind of knew, or at least I thought, his next MMA fight would be Habib.

00:01:03.000 It just kind of made sense.

00:01:04.000 If it wasn't going to be Diaz, but then as time went on, that seemed less and less likely.

00:01:09.000 And Habib obviously was doing great, kept on winning.

00:01:13.000 So there was a path that was going to collide.

00:01:16.000 Was there anything that was surprising in the fight?

00:01:21.000 The right hand in the second round was a cracker.

00:01:24.000 It was beautiful overhand right.

00:01:25.000 I mean, it's a staple of wrestlers overhand right and close, but he doesn't generally do that.

00:01:30.000 He's more jabbing than close, but that was a great shot.

00:01:34.000 The style of takedowns, everything was kind of what we expected, and we spent a lot of time in preparing for that.

00:01:44.000 I kind of expected Round 1 for sure going to get a takedown.

00:01:51.000 The goal of Round 1 was to get out of it, but still having energy.

00:01:55.000 We didn't want to put a huge amount of effort into trying to get back up in Round 1. It's seen that happen many times in his other opponents.

00:02:02.000 They kind of got back to the stool really tired.

00:02:05.000 Round one, make them pay, you know, do our best on the way in, fight as hard as we can, but if we do end up down, which is against defence, figured it would be there.

00:02:14.000 Try to stay seated up.

00:02:16.000 If we end up on our back, just try to play guard until the bell, except it'll be a 10-9 round.

00:02:23.000 For round 2, again, same plan.

00:02:27.000 Do as much damage as we can, but if we end up on our back, don't put a huge amount of effort into trying to get up.

00:02:34.000 He's an absolute master at re-grounding people.

00:02:38.000 That turned out to be a 10-8 round.

00:02:39.000 He got some good shots there and obviously he landed the great right hand.

00:02:43.000 So that was a bit more than we hoped for.

00:02:46.000 Round three, things started kind of turning a little bit in our favor, and we did a lot better at keeping it in the middle, defending the takedowns.

00:02:54.000 So the plan was to slow him down a little and watch him slow down a little bit in the third, fourth, and fifth?

00:02:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:00.000 I think at the beginning the consensus was Conor knocks him out in the first or Habib takes over from two on.

00:03:08.000 For us to win the third round was probably a bit of a surprise to people.

00:03:12.000 But you know the eloquent fight, if you look at that, from round three on he wasn't able to hit any takedowns.

00:03:19.000 So I hoped that would be how it would go in round three.

00:03:22.000 We could defend the takedowns a lot easier.

00:03:24.000 And start landing air shots.

00:03:26.000 And that did happen for round three.

00:03:28.000 Not as well as we planned, not as well as we hoped.

00:03:32.000 And then round four, you know, we hit another great takedown.

00:03:36.000 Made a mistake giving up the overhook, exposed our back, and that was all she wrote.

00:03:40.000 Yeah, he has such a unique ability to tie both legs up with his legs.

00:03:45.000 Yeah.

00:03:46.000 He's so good at that.

00:03:47.000 In round one, I thought Conor did well.

00:03:49.000 We had practice for that, to keep our legs bent.

00:03:52.000 You see guys straighten their legs, and Conor did do that a couple of times, but he was able to continuously get a leg free, so...

00:03:59.000 Not until the last 30 seconds or so of Round 1, he didn't really tie them up and get them flat in his back.

00:04:05.000 For the majority of that, he was against defence, used his hands to keep upright, tried to land little shots.

00:04:15.000 And George, you dealt with Conor's weight cut.

00:04:19.000 You deal with his overall nutrition as well?

00:04:22.000 Yes, sir.

00:04:22.000 Pull that microphone close to you like we talked about.

00:04:24.000 Here we go.

00:04:25.000 Right here.

00:04:25.000 You can move it up if you want to stay where you were.

00:04:28.000 Technology.

00:04:29.000 There you go.

00:04:29.000 It's a work in progress.

00:04:31.000 You worked with him on his weight cut.

00:04:33.000 What was his weight before he started camp?

00:04:36.000 It's almost exactly the same way.

00:04:39.000 It was when we actually started the cut.

00:04:43.000 You know, we wanted to make sure that his weight was a little higher than, you know, obviously with the boxing, with Floyd, you know, speed is everything.

00:04:50.000 And we wanted to kind of slowly drop that weight down.

00:04:54.000 But with this, we wanted to keep him as big as possible and then, you know, cut all that weight so he can...

00:04:58.000 What was his weight?

00:04:59.000 He was about 171 when he got back into that cage.

00:05:03.000 So what was his weight when you guys started camp?

00:05:06.000 About the same thing.

00:05:08.000 Same thing?

00:05:08.000 Exact same thing, yeah.

00:05:09.000 It was all about performance.

00:05:10.000 So it's not an extreme weight cut.

00:05:12.000 No.

00:05:12.000 15-ish pounds.

00:05:14.000 Yeah.

00:05:14.000 In terms of cutting, it was an easy day.

00:05:16.000 What's the most you've ever had someone cut?

00:05:19.000 So, you know, on record with Drew Dober, he showed up at 185 on Tuesday and had to make 155 by Friday.

00:05:26.000 So it was 19% of his body weight that we had it, yeah.

00:05:30.000 That's the biggest one.

00:05:32.000 Biggest one on record.

00:05:34.000 He's a big fella. 0.98

00:05:35.000 I've always looked at Drew Dober and go, how the fuck does that guy make 155? 0.98

00:05:38.000 Right? 0.99

00:05:39.000 No.

00:05:39.000 Every time I see him, I'm like, you know, you make me work for my money.

00:05:45.000 Well, it seems like it's probably not the healthiest thing in the world for him to do either.

00:05:50.000 No, I mean, I'll never be like, you know, weight cutting is the healthiest thing in the world.

00:05:55.000 But I will say that because of the amount of muscle mass, people look at somebody like him and they're like, wow, he doesn't have a lot to lose.

00:06:01.000 And he doesn't have a lot to lose, but he's got a lot to cut.

00:06:05.000 Muscle tissue is about 79% water.

00:06:09.000 So the more muscle you have, the more water you can cut.

00:06:13.000 So if you do it properly, the more muscle you have, the easier it is for that cut.

00:06:17.000 And that's why he's able to do that.

00:06:18.000 How did you learn how to do this?

00:06:21.000 Honestly, man, I could be like, I got this degree and I got this degree, but there's no degree in actual weight cutting.

00:06:27.000 I started in the Marine Corps, and I was a heavyweight when I started fighting, and then I ended up as a welterweight.

00:06:35.000 Wow.

00:06:36.000 Yeah.

00:06:37.000 Didn't do so well as a welterweight.

00:06:39.000 Kind of the opposite of Anthony Rumble Johnson.

00:06:41.000 Right, right.

00:06:42.000 It didn't work out well for me.

00:06:46.000 I was better at cutting the weight than I was actually at fighting.

00:06:51.000 Learning through this process, okay, this works like this and this works like this.

00:06:56.000 I mean, there's so many studies that are out there.

00:07:00.000 You look at the NSEA, you look at PubMed and all these other things.

00:07:06.000 You see a study over here and you see a study over here and you're like, okay, we're going to put these two together and actually see in terms of actual weight cutting.

00:07:15.000 It's rough because...

00:07:17.000 Nobody's ever actually going to do a study with the level of dehydration that these guys are doing.

00:07:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:23.000 Like, oh yeah, this is how you rehydrate these people.

00:07:26.000 It's never going to happen.

00:07:29.000 So, you know, luckily we've, you know, the amount of cuts that we do, we work with over 200 UFC fighters.

00:07:36.000 I mean, just in the UFC. I mean, obviously we work with a lot more, like Bellator and stuff like that.

00:07:42.000 Being able to see that, okay, this works.

00:07:43.000 This doesn't work.

00:07:45.000 We need to kind of back us up.

00:07:46.000 And when you say you work with, if you work with 200 fighters, how hands-on are you with 200 different fighters?

00:07:52.000 It changes, you know, based on how much they need us.

00:07:57.000 You know, a lot of the guys, we literally don't show up until the week of the fight.

00:08:01.000 You know, someone like Connor, you know, I'm out there six to eight weeks.

00:08:06.000 I'm out there monitoring everything.

00:08:08.000 And, you know, the people that we are out there for, for eight weeks...

00:08:12.000 It makes life a lot easier.

00:08:15.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:08:15.000 Now, do you have anything to do with his meal planning as well, like during the camp?

00:08:20.000 Connor?

00:08:20.000 Yeah.

00:08:21.000 100%.

00:08:21.000 Everything that goes into his mouth, I'm monitoring.

00:08:25.000 So from the moment you guys start in camp?

00:08:28.000 100%.

00:08:29.000 What about outside of camp?

00:08:30.000 Does he take instruction from you?

00:08:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:34.000 Connor, you know, he'd be like, hey, I'm doing this.

00:08:35.000 You know, like, in terms of, like, workout, that's a big one for him.

00:08:39.000 Like, pre-workout, post-workout, what should I be taking?

00:08:43.000 I tell him exactly what he should be taking, and then, you know, he basically stays on a regimen.

00:08:48.000 And at the end of the day, man, like, diet, the word diet means food you eat in a habitual way.

00:08:53.000 And, uh...

00:08:54.000 I like guys to actually live life a little bit, you know what I'm saying?

00:08:58.000 When you're so regimented, like, okay, I gotta count this carb and I gotta count this.

00:09:04.000 It's ridiculous, you know what I'm saying?

00:09:05.000 So, you know, the fact that he actually is like, okay, I just need to monitor what I'm taking pre-post-workout makes life easy for me.

00:09:14.000 Did you go to school for nutrition?

00:09:17.000 In the Marine Corps, I was a combat conditioning specialist.

00:09:20.000 I was actually an instructor trainer.

00:09:22.000 So, like, when you go, there's a place called the Martial Arts Center of Excellence, right?

00:09:27.000 And they actually handpick Marines.

00:09:33.000 I've kind of been in certain situations in the military.

00:09:38.000 Brian Stan was actually a part of that and then they actually started something called the Combat Conditioning Program and I was actually the guy that they actually I had to teach all that.

00:09:53.000 So they sent me everywhere.

00:09:55.000 I got to work with the people from the Olympic Training Center.

00:10:00.000 I got to work with PI in Florida.

00:10:05.000 Just learn from a lot of different people.

00:10:07.000 But in terms of, like I always say this, from weight cutting, there's actually not a course.

00:10:12.000 If you're a dietician or whatever, that's great.

00:10:16.000 That doesn't help you in terms of weight cutting. 0.51

00:10:18.000 You go to somebody who's like, hey man, I'm going to lose 30 pounds in three days.

00:10:22.000 What do I do?

00:10:23.000 It's a very specific kind of discipline.

00:10:25.000 100%.

00:10:25.000 So it's something that you kind of have to learn along the way and no one's going to teach you in a school.

00:10:30.000 100%.

00:10:30.000 But you do have some sort of background in nutrition?

00:10:34.000 100%, yes.

00:10:34.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:10:36.000 Do you vary your diets based on the way guys train?

00:10:41.000 Or is it pretty standard?

00:10:43.000 Or does it vary depending on how much weight they have to lose?

00:10:46.000 No, no.

00:10:47.000 Every diet is different.

00:10:49.000 People themselves never get the same diet twice.

00:10:54.000 The same person.

00:10:56.000 So if you wake up at 6 o'clock in the morning versus 8 o'clock in the morning, you have to have a totally different diet.

00:11:02.000 We feed people from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to bed.

00:11:05.000 So what would be the deal?

00:11:06.000 Say if someone likes to get up at 6 o'clock in the morning versus someone likes to get it up at 8. Right.

00:11:10.000 Would it be in what time they have to train?

00:11:13.000 Would that be the variable?

00:11:14.000 That's one variable.

00:11:16.000 We base everything off type, timing, portion size, or homeowner responses of foods.

00:11:21.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:11:24.000 Most diets nowadays, they actually, you know, they kind of stick to one aspect, like Atkins diet, you know, it sticks to types of foods, you know, like zone diet is portion size.

00:11:37.000 We actually stick to all of them, you know, like type, timing, portion size, hormone response food, because, you know, If you look at all diets, they all work.

00:11:47.000 All diets will work.

00:11:48.000 If you're consistent to every single diet, if you do the same thing every single day, you're going to see results.

00:11:56.000 But are you going to get to a specific weight?

00:11:58.000 And is your performance going to be increased over a fight camp?

00:12:04.000 That's when nutrition becomes...

00:12:09.000 Extremely valuable.

00:12:10.000 What would be the difference between someone getting up at 6 and someone getting up at 8?

00:12:13.000 Time to eat.

00:12:14.000 So if somebody wakes up at 6, they're going to eat at 6 o'clock in the morning.

00:12:17.000 Somebody gets up at 8, they're going to eat at 8 o'clock in the morning.

00:12:20.000 So you have them eat as soon as they wake up?

00:12:22.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:12:23.000 Yes, sir.

00:12:24.000 You feed somebody to the moment they woke up to the moment they go to bed.

00:12:27.000 Like what would be a typical breakfast meal?

00:12:29.000 We live off the basic rule.

00:12:33.000 You give people what they need when they need it.

00:12:36.000 So if you're aerobic, your body's primary source of fuel is going to be more fats.

00:12:40.000 Your brain's primary source of fuel is going to be carbohydrates or glucose.

00:12:45.000 So we give them a lot of fruits.

00:12:49.000 The glucose feeds the brain.

00:12:51.000 A lot of fats.

00:12:52.000 We make sure that we get a good measurement of omega-3s to omega-6s.

00:12:57.000 Basically, about a two-to-one ratio.

00:13:00.000 So, throughout the day, you know, if they're aerobic throughout the day, we give them, you know, fruits, vegetables, omega-6, omega-3s, and then once they start working out, then, you know, depending on the workout, then we start giving them, like, more starches and stuff like that.

00:13:14.000 So, basically, just sort of a light breakfast of fruits and things along those lines to get everything moving.

00:13:20.000 100%.

00:13:20.000 And then after your first workout, like, what's a typical post-workout meal?

00:13:25.000 It depends on the actual workout.

00:13:26.000 We've got the metabolic equivalent, right?

00:13:29.000 So basically the MET is the amount of oxygen your body uses and that's going to determine basically the amount of calories that your body is...

00:13:37.000 So let's say a strength and conditioning workout, what if they're going to do weights and sprints and things along those lines?

00:13:43.000 Right.

00:13:43.000 So what we'll do is...

00:13:45.000 Everything is actually like a formula.

00:13:48.000 Everything is broken down mathematically.

00:13:51.000 So we'll take their MET and we'll go on a scale of 1 to 10. And we multiply that by the actual amount of weight that that individual has, like a kilogram.

00:14:01.000 So we'll say their intensity is a 10. Let's say they have a hard workout.

00:14:06.000 Intensity of 10, we multiply that by the amount of kilograms that that individual has.

00:14:11.000 I believe, and then look at the formula.

00:14:15.000 Basically divide that by 200 and multiply that by the duration of the actual workout.

00:14:20.000 And that will give us the amount of actual calories that that individual is actually using for that workout.

00:14:25.000 So every workout is going to be different.

00:14:27.000 So if you're doing like...

00:14:32.000 What's the word I'm looking for?

00:14:33.000 Like training in terms of like guard passing and stuff like that.

00:14:38.000 It's going to be a lot different than if you're sparring, right?

00:14:40.000 So a lot of people, they actually feed themselves the same way if they're doing form versus actually training, like sparring.

00:14:48.000 They do the same thing.

00:14:49.000 I'm going to take two scoops of protein.

00:14:51.000 I'm going to take this, this, and this.

00:14:53.000 You have to actually feed the body differently every single workout, right?

00:14:58.000 So we'll take that formula.

00:15:01.000 We find out, okay, this is the amount of calories that this individual burns during this period of time, and then we actually break it down even more.

00:15:06.000 Because if you jog and you burn a thousand calories, right, and if you lift and burn a thousand calories, well, it's the same amount of calories, but you have to refuel the body differently because if you jog, your body's using a lot more fat.

00:15:19.000 If you're lifting, your body's using a lot more carbohydrates.

00:15:23.000 Again, it goes to giving the body what it needs when it needs it.

00:15:26.000 So we'll look at him like, okay, well, if it's a level 10, and then we'll literally, and we have the formulas for it, so a 10 would be 80-20.

00:15:35.000 So you find out the amount of calories this individual is burning.

00:15:39.000 80-20 meaning?

00:15:40.000 80% carbohydrates, 20% proteins.

00:15:43.000 Right.

00:15:44.000 And what kind of carbohydrates do you mostly focus on?

00:15:47.000 So your body has something called, you know, you have...

00:15:51.000 Receptors in the body, right?

00:15:53.000 You know, people think that, like, well, you know, if I need carbohydrates, my body's just going to ingest them and it doesn't work like that.

00:16:01.000 Your body can process about one gram of carbohydrate per minute, right?

00:16:05.000 But if you are able to actually access more...

00:16:07.000 Actually...

00:16:10.000 Use more than one transporter at a time.

00:16:15.000 You can actually go to about 2.3 grams per minute.

00:16:20.000 And you have GLUT1, GLUT2, GLUT3, GLUT4, and you got S-GLUT1, S-GLUT2. Each one of these has a different thing that actually activates them, right?

00:16:30.000 Like an S-Glut2 is a sodium-dependent transporter, right?

00:16:34.000 If you use a sodium-dependent transporter, Glut4 is an insulin-dependent transporter.

00:16:41.000 Glut1 is, I believe, I'm sorry, Glut5 is a fructose.

00:16:46.000 It's activated by fructose, right?

00:16:48.000 So if you use more than one of these transporters at a time, you activate these transporters, you're able to actually synthesize carbohydrates.

00:16:57.000 Twice as fast.

00:16:58.000 So you're doing different types of carbohydrates and mixing them together?

00:17:01.000 100%.

00:17:02.000 What would be an example of a GLUT1? S-GLUT1 is a sodium-dependent transporter.

00:17:07.000 So you've got to make sure that you add sodium, right?

00:17:11.000 GLUT4 is the insulin-dependent transporter.

00:17:14.000 What's going to help insulin be transporter?

00:17:16.000 You need something that's high glycemic.

00:17:18.000 So something that's dextrose, right?

00:17:20.000 But what is like a food that's a GLUT1? Well, salt.

00:17:27.000 Break it down.

00:17:28.000 Salt.

00:17:29.000 And then GLUT5 would be fructose, which would be fruit, right?

00:17:35.000 So I'll break down fruit for them.

00:17:39.000 And then dextrose is basically like any type of sugar that you have, you know what I mean?

00:17:46.000 Basically, we incorporate sugar, fructose, and salt.

00:17:49.000 You put those together.

00:17:51.000 Now, the funny thing is, when you incorporate caffeine, it's been shown that caffeine post-workout, you'll see four times the amount of glycogen in the muscle post-workout if you take the caffeine.

00:18:05.000 Really?

00:18:06.000 Yeah.

00:18:06.000 Do you take it in the form of caffeine pills, or do you take coffee?

00:18:10.000 I'll incorporate it with.

00:18:11.000 Like the post-workout, you know, like...

00:18:15.000 Like a coffee shake?

00:18:16.000 Yeah, it's an anhydrous, like a stronger type.

00:18:21.000 Sometimes I'll see, like, okay, if he's obviously going to bed later, it'll be more of a green tea type caffeine.

00:18:27.000 But, yeah, I mean, the funny thing is, like, it's shown that caffeine post-workout, four times the amount of carbohydrates are in the muscle, right?

00:18:37.000 And I have yet to find out why.

00:18:40.000 I talked to Andy Galpin.

00:18:46.000 Dude, I love that guy.

00:18:47.000 He's amazing.

00:18:48.000 I'm like, bro, I want to get you in the room for like an hour and just talk to you.

00:18:53.000 But I asked him, and he's like, honestly, I don't know either. 1.00

00:18:56.000 And I was like, shit! 0.99

00:18:58.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:19:00.000 But, you know, The thing is, I don't know why, but the one thing I do know, yes, 100%.

00:19:07.000 Caffeine post-workout, everybody's all about caffeine pre-workout.

00:19:10.000 Caffeine post-workout is extremely important.

00:19:13.000 And with our sport, it's so important because you got guys that are working out two, three times a day.

00:19:19.000 They need to be rehydrated, they need their glycogen storage, they need to be up.

00:19:24.000 So did you essentially learn how to weight cut by cutting weight yourself?

00:19:29.000 I learned every way not to weight cut by myself.

00:19:32.000 And then rehydrating the same way?

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:35.000 The rehydration, I did through lots of studying.

00:19:40.000 Lots of studying.

00:19:41.000 When I look back at what I did for rehydration, I shake my head. 0.98

00:19:46.000 I'm like, holy crap.

00:19:47.000 Well, it's a relatively recent thing, right? 0.96

00:19:49.000 Think about it.

00:19:50.000 With wrestling, wrestlers didn't do such a good job of rehydrating. 0.98

00:19:54.000 They were basically competing the day of the weight cut.

00:19:58.000 Yeah.

00:19:58.000 You sound like it's past tense.

00:20:00.000 They still do that.

00:20:02.000 They're trying to be a little bit better about that with the way they allow people with hydration tests and colleges.

00:20:10.000 It's still rough.

00:20:12.000 But at least with them, there's no head trauma.

00:20:16.000 That's it.

00:20:16.000 That's the big thing about MMA is rehydrating with head trauma.

00:20:20.000 How much more difficult is your job now with USADA in place where they can't use IVs?

00:20:26.000 I love not having the IV, man.

00:20:28.000 Really?

00:20:28.000 Swear to God, yeah.

00:20:29.000 Why?

00:20:30.000 If you look at every study out there, the oral rehydration is actually better for the body.

00:20:36.000 It's so funny.

00:20:37.000 Nowadays, everybody's like, oh, organic, earth-grown nutrients, you've got to have this, you've got to have this. 0.98

00:20:42.000 And then when it comes to cutting weight, it's like, Now let's jam a needle into their freaking body and let's shove 9,000 milligrams of sodium chloride in their freaking veins. 0.97

00:20:51.000 And that's got to be good. 0.98

00:20:53.000 If they were fighting the same day, 100% be like, yeah, you need an IV. But they have over 30 hours to rehydrate.

00:21:02.000 The body can do that on its own.

00:21:05.000 And it's going to be a lot more natural in terms of absorbing nutrients and giving it what it needs.

00:21:11.000 Here's the thing.

00:21:13.000 When a lot of these guys cut, I break it down like this is the exact amount of sodium that your body needs.

00:21:20.000 A lot of people, they were taking in two bags of IVs, right?

00:21:26.000 One bag is 9,000 milligrams of sodium chloride.

00:21:29.000 They would take in two bags, that's 18,000 milligrams of sodium chloride.

00:21:34.000 And they wouldn't take in any potassium.

00:21:37.000 Your body has got to have a balance of everything.

00:21:41.000 Like omega-6.

00:21:44.000 You look at fats.

00:21:45.000 There's so many studies that say, oh, omega-6 is bad.

00:21:48.000 It causes all this inflammation.

00:21:50.000 Yeah, omega-6 does cause inflammation.

00:21:52.000 But your body needs it.

00:21:53.000 Your hair needs it.

00:21:55.000 Your organs need it.

00:21:56.000 But it needs a good amount of omega-3 to kind of clear that out.

00:21:59.000 Same thing.

00:22:00.000 Sodium needs potassium.

00:22:02.000 When you look at a muscle pump, you're like...

00:22:05.000 Sodium goes into a muscle, potassium comes out.

00:22:09.000 Well, how does potassium get back in?

00:22:10.000 Well, it needs magnesium.

00:22:12.000 Magnesium.

00:22:13.000 If you don't have magnesium, you have to have this balance.

00:22:16.000 And it's funny because these guys, you know, back in the day, they would take an IV, and then what'd they have?

00:22:21.000 They'd have soup, and they're like, ah, and they'd take more salt.

00:22:24.000 They would never basically look at the amount of potassium.

00:22:27.000 Now these guys are like, hey, George, what do I take?

00:22:30.000 And I'm like, okay, eat this, eat this, eat this, and I think it's a lot healthier for them.

00:22:34.000 So they're getting more sophisticated with it.

00:22:36.000 Johnny Hendricks recently said that one of the reasons why he retired is because of USADA and they wouldn't let him use the IVs anymore.

00:22:42.000 Right.

00:22:42.000 He said it made a big difference with him.

00:22:44.000 Yeah.

00:22:45.000 There's a lot of people that are in this job, Joe, that they have no business being in this job, doing what I do.

00:22:54.000 Like, I mean, I just got on the streets.

00:22:55.000 I've talked to them.

00:22:57.000 How many people like you are that are out there?

00:22:59.000 I know there's Dolce.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, and there's nutrition and I think perfecting athletes, things like that.

00:23:10.000 I've talked to a couple people.

00:23:12.000 At the end of the day, man, honestly, I always tell people, I'm like, you know what game is, baby?

00:23:18.000 And she's like, what? 0.99

00:23:18.000 I'm like, it's your ability to pretend like you give a fuck, right? 0.99

00:23:22.000 And I'm like... 0.99

00:23:23.000 And I'm like, you know what real game is? 0.99

00:23:25.000 Is actually giving a fuck. 0.99

00:23:27.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.98

00:23:28.000 Like, there's a lot of people that they're like, oh, I want to help you out.

00:23:31.000 I don't want to help you out.

00:23:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:23:32.000 And people are actually like, oh, cool. 0.99

00:23:33.000 But then they realize, and that's why they work with us, because we actually give a fuck. 0.98

00:23:37.000 Like, we care, you know? 0.99

00:23:38.000 And you sit there, and it's like...

00:23:40.000 We taught, you know, like, we were working with...

00:23:44.000 Gray Jackson.

00:23:45.000 It was Johnny Bones.

00:23:49.000 It was a fight or whatever.

00:23:51.000 I'm like, hey guys, obviously we work with DC and DC's got exclusivity with us.

00:23:57.000 I'm like, how's he doing with the rehydration?

00:23:59.000 He's like, oh, he's using your rehydration.

00:24:01.000 I'm like, dude, the rehydration I gave you guys was before the IV ban.

00:24:05.000 It's not the same.

00:24:07.000 You think you talk to his nutritionist?

00:24:09.000 So I went to talk to him, and I was like, what's the osmolality of the water that you're giving him? 0.99

00:24:15.000 He looked at me like I had a dick growing on my forehead. 1.00

00:24:17.000 He was like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:24:18.000 And I'm like, how much fucking salt are you giving him? 1.00

00:24:22.000 He's like, what? 0.99

00:24:23.000 I'm not giving him salt. 0.99

00:24:24.000 I haven't given him salt this entire fucking training camp. 0.99

00:24:27.000 Why would I give him salt? 0.99

00:24:30.000 I wasn't going to sit down and give him a whole lecture on nutrition, but how the fucking body works or anything like that. 1.00

00:24:37.000 I went to Johnny Bones and I said, bro, fucking start eating fucking salt. 1.00

00:24:43.000 Your life depends on it, brother. 1.00

00:24:45.000 Basically, the muscle contraction that you have...

00:24:48.000 A lot of it depends on the amount of sodium that your body has. 0.99

00:24:51.000 You know, the amount of glycogen absorption, muscle contraction, neurons in the body, it's all dependent on fucking salt. 0.99

00:24:59.000 And when you got guys that are like, wow, you know, fucking no salt. 0.99

00:25:03.000 I think a lot of guys are in this game because they want their name on the fucking highlights and shit like that. 0.99

00:25:10.000 You'll see me like... 0.99

00:25:11.000 Well, it's real bizarre that this is such a gigantic sport.

00:25:15.000 I mean, it is an enormous sport.

00:25:17.000 But in terms of even the way people train...

00:25:22.000 I mean, there's not a consensus on what's the correct way to do it.

00:25:27.000 And then when it comes to nutrition, there's not a consensus.

00:25:30.000 And then there's the rehydration and dehydration factor that doesn't exist in any other sport other than boxing.

00:25:36.000 And I think it's more extreme in MMA than it is even in boxing, for the most part, right?

00:25:42.000 It's such a crazy thing that you've got these super high-level athletes that are dealing with gym bros I mean, there's a lot of, like, real high-level athletes, and I've talked to their trainers, and I'm like, what did you just say?

00:25:55.000 Like, you're a gym bro.

00:25:56.000 How'd you get with this guy? 0.99

00:25:57.000 This guy's a fucking world-class fighter, and he's got some schmo from fucking Gold's Gym. 1.00

00:26:03.000 No offense, Gold's Gym, but you know what I mean. 1.00

00:26:05.000 Some fucking guy's got a tub of shit with him, and he's like, gotta take three of these and four of those, because I read about it in Weider. 0.99

00:26:12.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:26:12.000 They don't really have a strict protocol. 1.00

00:26:17.000 And it's not really based on science and blood work and real science.

00:26:22.000 No, 100%.

00:26:23.000 It's sad because the sport is, at the end of the day, like, well, that guy's jacked.

00:26:31.000 You're the strength and conditioning coach. 1.00

00:26:32.000 You're like, he's fucking big as fuck. 0.99

00:26:34.000 You're like, yeah, you're strength and conditioning. 1.00

00:26:35.000 And you're like, oh, you know a couple people?

00:26:38.000 You're now my agent.

00:26:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:39.000 Right, right.

00:26:41.000 In terms of NFL, we work with a lot of different people. 0.92

00:26:46.000 Demi Lovato and shit like that. 0.95

00:26:48.000 It's a different world. 0.99

00:26:49.000 Close to your face.

00:26:50.000 Sorry.

00:26:51.000 Everybody does it.

00:26:52.000 I'm sorry, brother.

00:26:52.000 It's all right.

00:26:53.000 And I know my voice.

00:26:55.000 There are people like, good.

00:26:56.000 You're going to have subtitles on this time?

00:26:57.000 It's a great voice.

00:26:58.000 It's traveling.

00:26:59.000 It seems like you've lived a lot.

00:27:02.000 It's not the years, it's the mileage.

00:27:04.000 I remember when Anderson Silva got popped and then people started circulating photos of Anderson's trainer.

00:27:09.000 He's 70 years old, built like a brick shithouse. 0.99

00:27:14.000 I mean, he's got veins coming out of his fucking muscles that are just like garden hoses. 0.99

00:27:18.000 Have you ever seen him? 0.99

00:27:19.000 No.

00:27:19.000 It's hilarious.

00:27:20.000 When we found out that Anderson got popped for steroids, then they saw a picture of his trainer.

00:27:24.000 I'm like, well, I wonder where he got them from.

00:27:29.000 You got a photo of the guy?

00:27:30.000 There's a picture of him taking a selfie at the gym.

00:27:34.000 No, that's not the guy.

00:27:35.000 The strength and conditioning guy.

00:27:37.000 He's a darker gentleman.

00:27:42.000 And he's built like a brick shithouse.

00:27:45.000 He looks more like a bodybuilder than he does a strength and conditioning coach.

00:27:49.000 You got it?

00:27:49.000 Yeah, here he is.

00:27:53.000 The guy with the white shirt on.

00:27:55.000 Yeah, that's him, but that's not the photo I want.

00:27:58.000 There he is. 0.99

00:28:01.000 Damn. 1.00

00:28:01.000 And he's in his 60s. 1.00

00:28:03.000 Wow.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, so you see that.

00:28:05.000 That's what I look like without my shirt, Joe.

00:28:07.000 I believe you.

00:28:08.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:28:09.000 There's a little something going on there.

00:28:12.000 A few south of the border supplements.

00:28:16.000 But the point is that even the best of the best, world-class fighters, they don't necessarily have a background in nutrition or kinesiology or exercise physiology.

00:28:29.000 They don't necessarily know exactly the right way to approach things. 0.96

00:28:34.000 I mean, shit, for years, fighters wouldn't even drink water in between rounds. 0.99

00:28:39.000 They thought water made you cramp. 1.00

00:28:42.000 There's a lot of crazy shit involved in this sport still to this day. 0.99

00:28:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:28:48.000 You don't know what you don't know.

00:28:50.000 I tell you, our goal is by the end of next year, we're going to work with every single fighter in the UFC. We have over 200 fighters in the UFC right now.

00:28:58.000 Every single one?

00:28:59.000 So you're going to push everybody else out? 1.00

00:29:00.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:29:00.000 Fuck everybody. 1.00

00:29:01.000 Fuck everybody. 1.00

00:29:03.000 100%, man. 1.00

00:29:03.000 What are they doing wrong? 1.00

00:29:05.000 Everything.

00:29:06.000 What are the other guys doing wrong?

00:29:08.000 Everything. 0.99

00:29:08.000 They don't know what the fuck they're doing, y'all. 0.99

00:29:10.000 Like, 100%. 1.00

00:29:11.000 They have no fucking clue what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

00:29:12.000 All of them? 1.00

00:29:13.000 All of them.

00:29:14.000 100%. 1.00

00:29:14.000 I have people fucking drinking. 1.00

00:29:16.000 They're like, oh, they're drinking salt water during the week of the fight. 1.00

00:29:23.000 And I hear guys from ATT like, hey, George, why the fuck would they do that? 1.00

00:29:27.000 I'm like, Because that's asinine. 0.99

00:29:30.000 I have people fucking be like, oh, we don't want to cut carbs out because it takes a specific amount of time to rehydrate carbs. 0.99

00:29:38.000 They're thinking it takes like four fucking days. 0.99

00:29:40.000 But when you actually do it properly, This is all scientific shit. 1.00

00:29:45.000 Like, it literally takes 24 hours to rehydrate somebody's fucking glycogen storage. 0.99

00:29:49.000 If you fucking take their water, right? 0.99

00:29:51.000 So every gram of glycogen holds on to three grams of water, right? 0.99

00:29:54.000 And we can literally find out, based on the amount of muscle tissue that an individual holds, exactly how much glycogen their body holds and how much water that is attached to that glycogen.

00:30:05.000 Do you work with Yoel Romero?

00:30:07.000 We did, yes. 0.99

00:30:08.000 That dude, I look at that guy and I go, how the fuck is that 185 pound man? 0.98

00:30:14.000 You want to hear some stats with us, man? 0.98

00:30:17.000 Yeah.

00:30:18.000 So people are like, I don't have 100% You know, like, rate, Joe.

00:30:24.000 Of making weight? 1.00

00:30:26.000 I take pride in that shit. 1.00

00:30:27.000 You know why? 1.00

00:30:28.000 Because I've taken motherfuckers that I know they're not going to make weight. 1.00

00:30:30.000 I know that bitch ain't going to make weight. 1.00

00:30:32.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:30:33.000 But, dude, I'm like, hey, man, I want to either A, be there to be like, bitches, he's not going to make it, and I cut that shit. 1.00

00:30:41.000 I cut it. 1.00

00:30:42.000 I've got coaches that are like, he's being a pussy. 1.00

00:30:44.000 I'm like, dude. 1.00

00:30:45.000 He's going to die. 1.00

00:30:45.000 He literally has fucking cut.2 goddamn pounds in the last 30 minutes. 1.00

00:30:50.000 He's got 10 pounds to go. 1.00

00:30:51.000 He ain't going to make it.

00:30:52.000 His kidneys are going to be... 1.00

00:30:53.000 Oh, he's being a pussy. 1.00

00:30:55.000 Fuck you guys, man. 1.00

00:30:56.000 I cut it off. 1.00

00:30:57.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:30:59.000 With Yoel...

00:31:03.000 It's between us, right?

00:31:04.000 Yeah, no one's listening.

00:31:06.000 So, in Australia, he showed up at 198, and he missed by two and a half pounds, right?

00:31:13.000 With us, he showed up 217 pounds, and he missed by 0.2. 0.99

00:31:17.000 And the only reason that he fucking missed by that 0.2 is because of the fucking athletic commission. 0.97

00:31:21.000 Yeah, the commission in New York put him off. 0.99

00:31:22.000 They fucking came in there, like, I was like, hey, bro, I'm like, cool down, you know, take your time. 0.99

00:31:28.000 I gave them 45 minutes to, like, fucking just chill. 0.99

00:31:30.000 We put them in the bath, the commissioner came in there and were like, how you feeling? 0.99

00:31:34.000 He said, I feel good to go.

00:31:35.000 And they were like, you know, the guy, he literally said, he said...

00:31:40.000 You know, unfortunately, that's what all heroes say.

00:31:42.000 But unfortunately, all heroes are dead. 0.99

00:31:44.000 And I'm like, first off, that's the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard in my life. 0.99

00:31:47.000 Like, there's a lot of fucking heroes that are still fucking goddamn alive. 1.00

00:31:50.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:31:51.000 He wants a quote?

00:31:52.000 Soundbite guy? 0.99

00:31:53.000 And I'm sitting there like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:31:56.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:31:57.000 Right.

00:31:58.000 They're like, he needs to be downstairs.

00:32:01.000 We're like, whoa, he has a whole hour.

00:32:03.000 And they're like, no, no, he needs to be downstairs.

00:32:05.000 Anyway, he got down there. 0.99

00:32:07.000 He was still sweating on the fucking scale, Joe. 0.99

00:32:10.000 And it was only 0.2. 1.00

00:32:11.000 0.2. 0.99

00:32:12.000 That ain't shit. 0.97

00:32:13.000 But here's my thing. 0.98

00:32:14.000 He showed up 217. And we got him.2 over.

00:32:17.000 To 185. Yeah, I weigh 197 and I stand next to him and I'm like, how in the fuck is that a 185 pound man? 0.99

00:32:28.000 He is a straight up silverback. 1.00

00:32:30.000 That dude is so jacked.

00:32:33.000 You want to talk about genetics. 1.00

00:32:35.000 I mean, what kind of fucking genetics does that dude have? 1.00

00:32:40.000 First night, we fucking were doing the cull with him. 1.00

00:32:42.000 He never did a bath. 0.99

00:32:43.000 I know he never did a bath because he went in backwards.

00:32:46.000 Like, literally, like, we're like, yo, head goes over here, bro.

00:32:51.000 Like, he'd never been in a bath.

00:32:53.000 He got out. 1.00

00:32:54.000 He fucking lost a lot more weight than he expected, and he fucking butt-ass naked, man. 1.00

00:32:58.000 Fucking comes into us. 1.00

00:32:59.000 I'm like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:33:01.000 Want to hug you? 1.00

00:33:01.000 Oh, bro. 1.00

00:33:02.000 Oh, man. 0.99

00:33:03.000 Not hugging me, like shaking me and shit. 0.99

00:33:05.000 Oh, Jesus. 0.99

00:33:05.000 I'm losing my man card tonight, but you know what? 0.99

00:33:08.000 Fucking, I'm not going to fucking, you know. 0.99

00:33:11.000 He's a big fucking dude, so, yeah. 1.00

00:33:13.000 I bet he is, if you know what I'm saying. 1.00

00:33:15.000 Yeah.

00:33:16.000 He's like the freakiest of all the freak athletes.

00:33:21.000 Of all the dudes where you look at them and you go...

00:33:25.000 What are the odds that someone turns out like that?

00:33:28.000 You know, of all the guys who, like, a regular-looking guy is like an Evan Dunham.

00:33:33.000 Regular-looking guy.

00:33:34.000 And then you got a Yoel Romero.

00:33:37.000 Like, the world's not fair. 0.98

00:33:39.000 It's just not fucking fair, man. 0.93

00:33:41.000 It's not fair. 0.96

00:33:43.000 And that's him on weight, right?

00:33:45.000 I mean...

00:33:47.000 What date is that?

00:33:49.000 Redemption.

00:33:50.000 Okay, yeah, so that is him back in the day when you had to cut actual weight for the weigh-ins.

00:33:55.000 That's before the, like, if you look at him with the new ones, where he gets to rehydrate.

00:34:01.000 Yeah.

00:34:02.000 He's such a freak, man. 1.00

00:34:03.000 Fucking hell. 1.00

00:34:04.000 And the fact that he's in his 40s, like, what in the fuck? 1.00

00:34:08.000 And they test that shit out of that dude. 1.00

00:34:10.000 That doesn't even make sense. 1.00

00:34:12.000 Like, 1 plus 1 is 18?

00:34:15.000 Test him again!

00:34:18.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:34:19.000 How come you don't work with him anymore?

00:34:21.000 I do.

00:34:22.000 Oh, you still do?

00:34:22.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:34:25.000 We were working with Robert Whittaker and they decided to not use us the last week.

00:34:33.000 Not use you the last week? 1.00

00:34:35.000 Bro, there's a lot of shit. 0.99

00:34:38.000 You know how this game goes. 1.00

00:34:39.000 Yeah, I do know how this game goes.

00:34:41.000 This is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game is that I feel like fighting in particular is so dangerous, it's so personal, it's so...

00:34:54.000 There's so much involved that I feel like loyalty should be at a premium, and it should be one of the most emphasized things.

00:35:02.000 As long as you have a good team, your team is critical.

00:35:09.000 It's everything. 1.00

00:35:11.000 For the emotional stability of the fighter, but also for not feeling like you're a piece of shit. 0.99

00:35:16.000 And I think there's something to that. 0.99

00:35:18.000 These guys that just dump their trainers and dump their coaches and then hop from camp to camp and don't get a better result from it.

00:35:27.000 I think there's part of them that realizes like, hey man, this guy brought you to the dance.

00:35:32.000 And you abandoned them somewhere along the way because you saw greener grass on the other side of the fence and it didn't turn out to be greener.

00:35:41.000 And you don't feel like a champion.

00:35:43.000 You feel like kind of a weasel.

00:35:45.000 And there's a lot of guys like that.

00:35:47.000 But then there's guys...

00:35:49.000 Who are they in a situation like T.J. Dillshaw, right?

00:35:52.000 Where he was in a situation where he was like, this doesn't seem right.

00:35:57.000 I don't like the way this camp is going. 0.86

00:35:59.000 And then Dwayne Ludwig comes along and he's like, I am fucking learning and growing with this guy. 0.71

00:36:04.000 And he's like, look, I gotta go, guys. 0.76

00:36:05.000 I'll still train with you.

00:36:06.000 I love you, but I gotta think about my future. 0.99

00:36:08.000 And then they're like, you fucking weasel, you left us. 1.00

00:36:10.000 But look, he's right. 1.00

00:36:13.000 You look at the results, clearly he was right.

00:36:16.000 I mean, TJ right now, he defended his title, beat Cody twice, one of the best in the world.

00:36:21.000 You look at his improvement, his overall growth, and his improvement inside the octagon, like, he was right.

00:36:27.000 It's a weird balance.

00:36:30.000 When do you pull the chute?

00:36:32.000 When do you bail?

00:36:33.000 When do you get out of there?

00:36:36.000 The first person I ever worked with was Brian Stan.

00:36:39.000 Me and him were in the Marine Corps together.

00:36:41.000 It's the only reason I'm actually doing what I'm doing today.

00:36:44.000 Is it because of Brian?

00:36:45.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:36:46.000 I love that guy. 1.00

00:36:47.000 Ah, he's a shithead. 1.00

00:36:50.000 I love him to death, man. 1.00

00:36:52.000 He's just all around amazing.

00:36:54.000 I want him to run for president.

00:36:55.000 Bro, 100%. 1.00

00:36:56.000 You know, motherfuckers are like, you know, I use this analogy. 1.00

00:37:00.000 I'm like, oh, you know, people are like, oh, this guy's a good guy. 1.00

00:37:03.000 He's never, you know, cheated on his wife.

00:37:04.000 He's never done this, done that. 1.00

00:37:05.000 I'm like, dude, look at the motherfucker. 1.00

00:37:06.000 He doesn't have options. 1.00

00:37:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:09.000 Like, look at him. 1.00

00:37:11.000 Brian, that motherfucker's got options. 1.00

00:37:14.000 I'm like, you're so goddamn good. 1.00

00:37:17.000 He would get a text from a female and they'd be like, hey, I just did a photo shoot, blah, blah, blah. 0.97

00:37:22.000 He'd be like, my wife would not appreciate you.

00:37:24.000 You don't text me in this form or fashion.

00:37:26.000 And I'm like...

00:37:27.000 I hate hanging out with you, bro. 0.72

00:37:29.000 You make me feel like a horrible person just and everything.

00:37:32.000 He's always on, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:37:33.000 He's just a good motherfucker. 0.99

00:37:35.000 He's a great guy. 1.00

00:37:35.000 He's a great motherfucking guy, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:37:37.000 But at the end of the day, man, you're built like a goddamn T-Rex. 1.00

00:37:45.000 Big head, fucking short arms, you know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:37:48.000 And at WC, he fucking won the world title, got to UFC. I wasn't working out for him. 0.99

00:37:54.000 I'm like, you need to go to 185. He's like, you know, you helped me out to cut?

00:37:57.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 0.99

00:37:58.000 And that's what I was doing in the Marine Corps. 1.00

00:37:59.000 I was helping guys get down to a weight, and they had to actually perform.

00:38:03.000 That's my job in the Marine Corps.

00:38:04.000 So your job in the Marine Corps was helping guys get down to a weight so that their performance would be better in combat?

00:38:09.000 Right.

00:38:10.000 You have weight standards and then you have performance standards in the Marine Corps.

00:38:14.000 So how would you dial that in?

00:38:16.000 Based on body fat?

00:38:18.000 Based on just how much mass they're carrying around?

00:38:21.000 There's a lot to it, but it depends on...

00:38:23.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:38:24.000 Okay, just to build this individual.

00:38:26.000 This is their activity level.

00:38:27.000 This is what time they wake up.

00:38:28.000 This is what time they go to sleep.

00:38:29.000 This is what their MOS, which for us, that's military operational skill.

00:38:34.000 If you have somebody that's a recon marine, they're going to have a lot... 0.98

00:38:37.000 We have different caloric needs than somebody that's a fucking admin, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:38:41.000 Right, right. 0.95

00:38:42.000 So, you know, we give the body what it needs, you know, when it needs it, you know, and it's funny because we never have a base diet, you know, like if somebody is basically, they don't have an anaerobic Workout throughout the day.

00:38:57.000 A ketogenic diet is perfect for them.

00:39:00.000 They don't need those carbs. 1.00

00:39:02.000 You actually need a ketogenic diet because you give the body what it needs when it needs it.

00:39:06.000 When you're aerobic, your body's primary source of fuel is fat.

00:39:09.000 Your body's primary source of fuel is going to be that fat, so what do we do? 1.00

00:39:13.000 We feed it the fucking fat. 0.97

00:39:16.000 If you're anaerobic and you're training throughout the day, then we actually incorporate a lot more carbohydrates. 1.00

00:39:22.000 Right, for someone who's lifting weights, doing explosive shit. 0.99

00:39:26.000 Yeah, 100%. 0.99

00:39:27.000 Nutrition is a lot like religion. 1.00

00:39:31.000 If you fucking don't agree with somebody, a lot of motherfuckers are like, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. 1.00

00:39:36.000 I've noticed that. 1.00

00:39:38.000 It's very bizarre.

00:39:39.000 I've had some conversations on the podcast recently about that.

00:39:43.000 The most civil one was between Lane Bryant and Dominic D'Agostino where they were talking about ketogenic diets versus carbohydrate diets and BioLane.

00:39:59.000 Do you know Lane?

00:40:00.000 Lane Norton?

00:40:01.000 Yeah, I did see that.

00:40:03.000 Super smart guy.

00:40:05.000 George, you're going on that podcast? 1.00

00:40:06.000 You better fucking watch this. 1.00

00:40:07.000 I'm like, okay. 0.99

00:40:08.000 Super smart guy, but more emphasizes carbohydrates, whereas Dom D'Agostino, they're both scientists, like legit scientists.

00:40:17.000 He emphasizes ketogenic diet.

00:40:20.000 It's a very interesting conversation because Lane really never was on a ketogenic diet for a long period of time, whereas Dom emphasizes that when you get fat adapted over longer periods of time, four to six months, Your body, there's some legitimate benefits with cognitive function and even performance benefits as time goes on.

00:40:41.000 But certainly, in terms of your energy level, your ability to perform without...

00:40:46.000 Systemic, no matter what.

00:40:49.000 Systemic also?

00:40:49.000 Yeah, so at the end of the day, guess something like Connor.

00:40:52.000 If I put him on a ketogenic diet, he'd be fucked. 0.99

00:40:55.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:40:56.000 He needs power, he needs output, quick, fast, in a hurry.

00:40:59.000 Your muscles use that glycogen...

00:41:02.000 From that part of the muscle, whatever they're using, right there and then.

00:41:07.000 Whereas...

00:41:07.000 Because he's explosive?

00:41:09.000 100%.

00:41:09.000 Yeah.

00:41:10.000 And that's where I think people have a problem.

00:41:14.000 I'm not...

00:41:15.000 I will say Voltaire, he says, you know the true knowledge of the individual, not by the...

00:41:20.000 By the questions they ask.

00:41:23.000 A lot of people are like, hey Lockhart, is peanut butter good for me?

00:41:27.000 I'm like, well, it depends.

00:41:28.000 I can't talk to you.

00:41:29.000 That's what you got to say to them.

00:41:33.000 It's when.

00:41:33.000 This road is too long.

00:41:35.000 I don't have time to travel.

00:41:37.000 When is it good for you?

00:41:38.000 That's the wrong question.

00:41:39.000 When is it good for you?

00:41:40.000 You're like, what are you doing?

00:41:42.000 What is your activity level?

00:41:43.000 And what kind of peanut butter? 1.00

00:41:44.000 Is it that shit that's piled up with sugar or real peanut butter? 1.00

00:41:47.000 Motherfuckers, dude, I tell you this. 1.00

00:41:49.000 People are like, well, I eat healthy. 1.00

00:41:52.000 I'm like, what the fuck is healthy? 0.97

00:41:53.000 You're putting oil in your gas tank and putting gas in your oil pan. 0.99

00:41:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:41:57.000 Everything that you do, you know, respiratory quotient, you break down your body.

00:42:01.000 Your body's using fuel in a different ratio based on the activity that you have. 0.96

00:42:06.000 And it's like, well, if you're giving your body carbohydrates, but your body's using fats, why the fuck is that healthy? 0.95

00:42:13.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.95

00:42:13.000 It's not. 0.95

00:42:15.000 It's so simple. 0.94

00:42:17.000 People follow this program, bro, and they're like, holy shit, I'm never hungry, I have energy, this, because you're giving the body what it needs, what it needs. 0.96

00:42:26.000 All the time. 0.98

00:42:27.000 All the time, bro.

00:42:27.000 Now, do you limit any foods?

00:42:30.000 Do you allow people to eat pasta or bread?

00:42:33.000 Do you cut anything out of the diet? 0.99

00:42:36.000 Honestly, they can have whatever they want at the right fucking time. 0.99

00:42:41.000 If you look at the metabolic equivalent, for somebody like yourself, let's say you go on and you fucking bust a fucking workout out, you can burn 800 calories. 0.99

00:42:49.000 You know you can burn 800 calories in a workout, no problem, right? 0.88

00:42:52.000 So if you're burning 800 calories and you're anaerobic and your body's primary source of fuel is going to be carbohydrates, let's just take all the formulas and all the math out of it for a sec, but let's say 800 calories.

00:43:03.000 There's four calories for every one gram of carbohydrates.

00:43:06.000 For you to fucking replenish what you need, you'd need 200 grams of carbohydrates just to replenish what you just did for a workout. 0.99

00:43:13.000 How many motherfuckers do you know take 200 grams of carbohydrates post-workout? 1.00

00:43:18.000 None. 1.00

00:43:18.000 None! 1.00

00:43:19.000 None!

00:43:19.000 Very few.

00:43:20.000 But at the end of the week, you're like, God, I'm feeling tired.

00:43:23.000 I don't know why I'm so tired.

00:43:25.000 So what kind of carbohydrates would you...

00:43:27.000 Say if someone wanted to do something like a CrossFit workout or something like that.

00:43:31.000 A lot of kettlebells, chin-ups... 0.97

00:43:34.000 Box jumps, shit like that. 0.99

00:43:35.000 Right. 0.98

00:43:36.000 What kind of carbohydrates do you have them refuel with post-workout?

00:43:39.000 Fructose, dextrose, caffeine, and salt.

00:43:42.000 All those?

00:43:44.000 100%.

00:43:44.000 Because that's going to activate all the transporters.

00:43:46.000 You think of salt as a carbohydrate?

00:43:48.000 No, no, no.

00:43:49.000 Then you just add it to it?

00:43:50.000 Yeah, because in terms of transporters, that is one that activates.

00:43:56.000 The S-Glute one is a sodium-dependent transporter.

00:43:58.000 Right.

00:43:58.000 Now how much salt would you add?

00:44:02.000 Depends on how much weight they lose.

00:44:04.000 So say if I did a hard workout I lose 7 pounds. 0.99

00:44:08.000 What if I beat the shit out of the bag, fucking run around the block, do hill sprints and come back 5 pounds lighter or whatever, just give me a number. 0.98

00:44:18.000 Okay, so basically with sweat, I'm negating a lot of fucking other math, but every pound is basically 500 milligrams of sodium. 0.99

00:44:27.000 Every pound that you lose for salt, you lose about 500 milligrams of sodium. 0.99

00:44:30.000 So if you lost seven pounds, you would need basically 3,500 milligrams of sodium to fucking replenish what the fuck you did. 0.99

00:44:37.000 That seems like a lot. 0.99

00:44:38.000 Yeah, that's negating a lot of other fucking things, I'm telling you. 0.98

00:44:41.000 But... 0.98

00:44:43.000 A lot of things, like, people are like, that's a lot. 0.98

00:44:46.000 But a lot of science that you look at is from fucking average Joe. 1.00

00:44:49.000 How many average Joes are going to lose seven goddamn pounds in a fucking workout? 1.00

00:44:53.000 Zero. 1.00

00:44:54.000 Right?

00:44:54.000 They're like, I lost half a pound.

00:44:57.000 I was on the elliptical machine for 15 minutes. 0.99

00:44:59.000 All right, so take 250 milligrams of fucking sodium and you're good to go. 0.99

00:45:03.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:45:04.000 So how do you have them take the sodium in what form?

00:45:07.000 It's all going to be like, I actually want them to take carbohydrates during and post-workout.

00:45:13.000 During?

00:45:13.000 Yeah.

00:45:14.000 So in one form, fruit?

00:45:16.000 Fruit, yeah.

00:45:17.000 So it's going to be blended fruit and the dextrose is going to be a specific type of sugar.

00:45:22.000 They drink it and what happens is when you increase insulin, that actually decreases cortisol. 0.97

00:45:29.000 Cortisol is not a fucking bad thing, man. 0.90

00:45:31.000 It's a glucocorticoid that actually helps get rid of inflammation. 0.99

00:45:34.000 The problem is people nowadays are like, oh, it's a fucking stress hormone. 0.99

00:45:38.000 Your body doesn't create a fucking hormone that's bad for you. 0.99

00:45:41.000 It's not going to. 1.00

00:45:42.000 Your body does not create something that is bad for you.

00:45:45.000 It's just bad for you at the wrong times and in the wrong doses.

00:45:48.000 Excessive.

00:45:49.000 Like insulin.

00:45:50.000 Is insulin bad for you? 1.00

00:45:51.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:45:52.000 Ask a diabetic. 1.00

00:45:53.000 They're like, fuck, I wish I had that shit. 1.00

00:45:54.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:45:55.000 But when you have it in excessive amounts, you know what I'm saying?

00:45:59.000 That's our problem, man.

00:46:00.000 We don't know when to take it and how much to take.

00:46:03.000 So do you have guys take those glucose gels?

00:46:05.000 Like those runners take?

00:46:07.000 No.

00:46:07.000 No?

00:46:08.000 No, no.

00:46:09.000 I actually find out what guys like, too.

00:46:11.000 At the end of the day, like... 0.99

00:46:15.000 Consistency on a diet is the most important fucking thing. 0.99

00:46:17.000 If I get somebody on the zone diet, the paleo diet, the fucking grapefruit diet, there's 75,000 diets on the internet right now today. 1.00

00:46:24.000 If I fucking have you consistent on one diet, you're gonna fucking see results. 0.99

00:46:28.000 Consistency. 0.99

00:46:29.000 And I always tell people, I'm like, I'd rather you be 100% consistent on 10% of my diet than 100% consistent on 10% of the diet.

00:46:38.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:46:40.000 So, at the end of the day, like, I have guys that have sugar teeth. 1.00

00:46:45.000 I'm like, fuck me. 1.00

00:46:47.000 Goddamn, eat some fucking twisters post-workout. 1.00

00:46:49.000 Your body's going to fucking use it. 1.00

00:46:50.000 Your body is going to use it. 1.00

00:46:51.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:46:52.000 I've heard that before.

00:46:53.000 People that recommend candy post-workout.

00:46:56.000 100%.

00:46:56.000 Yeah, is it the best?

00:46:57.000 No. 0.50

00:46:58.000 I know you have Ron DePatrick talk about ATP trapping and shit like that.

00:47:02.000 But when you're done working out, your body needs those carbohydrates quick, fast, and in a hurry. 0.55

00:47:07.000 It's going to activate those transporters.

00:47:10.000 And your body's going to use them.

00:47:12.000 Is it the best?

00:47:13.000 100% no.

00:47:14.000 But it's keeping your sanity and it's consistency. 0.99

00:47:20.000 If somebody works their ass off and they're like, I know if I work my ass off, I get some fucking Twizzlers. 0.97

00:47:26.000 You're going to see a lot better results. 0.88

00:47:28.000 So what would you recommend though?

00:47:30.000 So if someone doesn't have a sweet tooth, but they say, hey, what should I use to replenish my glycogen?

00:47:37.000 Lockhart and Lee's supplement line.

00:47:39.000 No, honestly, like a fructose.

00:47:44.000 Fructose is from fruits, right?

00:47:46.000 Break down fruits, right?

00:47:48.000 Sugars, like a dextrose, it's a basic sugar.

00:47:53.000 It's a monosaccharide. 0.99

00:47:56.000 So you can find that in just about any kind of fucking sugar, like canned sugar. 0.97

00:48:00.000 What do you think about chocolate milk? 0.99

00:48:01.000 I know a lot of guys were doing that. 1.00

00:48:03.000 Fucking stupidest thing in the world. 1.00

00:48:04.000 That was a big thing for a while, right? 1.00

00:48:05.000 Bro, dude, this is the thing about studies and shit like that. 0.97

00:48:08.000 I mean, like, it was like, this is the best thing for fucking post-workout, right? 0.99

00:48:13.000 Same fucking... 0.99

00:48:14.000 That was from the NSCA. Then the NSCA came out with another fucking study. 1.00

00:48:17.000 It was like, well, you know, like, 89% of fucking Latino population is lactose intolerant. 1.00

00:48:23.000 93% of the African-American population is lactose intolerant. 1.00

00:48:27.000 And fucking... 1.00

00:48:27.000 It was like 90% of the fucking Asian-American population is lactose intolerant. 1.00

00:48:32.000 I'm like... 1.00

00:48:33.000 You guys literally just did a goddamn study and you're showing that most of the goddamn population is lactose and tyrant, but you're saying that the milk is the best goddamn thing to fucking give? 1.00

00:48:41.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:48:42.000 It's asinine. 1.00

00:48:43.000 You know, like, casein protein, like, again, it's easy.

00:48:48.000 If somebody's like, if you take, you know, chocolate milk post-workout, but like, Joe, what are you using when you work out?

00:48:55.000 What is your body using when you work out?

00:48:57.000 Is it using carbs or is it using protein? 1.00

00:48:59.000 If your body's using protein as a source of fuel, you're fucking doing something fucked up, man. 0.99

00:49:04.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:49:05.000 Like literally, your body goes through gluconeogenesis, it'll turn protein into fucking carbohydrates, but that ain't the way it's supposed to fucking be. 0.97

00:49:13.000 Right, so you would never recommend someone doing that carnivore diet? 0.98

00:49:18.000 No, no, no.

00:49:19.000 See, I'm a never-never guy.

00:49:21.000 I'm never gonna say never.

00:49:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:24.000 Because depending on your lifestyle, if you're sedentary and you don't do anything that's anaerobic, I would promote the ketogenic diet for somebody.

00:49:35.000 Yeah, it's not even a ketogenic diet.

00:49:37.000 That's the thing about that carnivore diet. 0.98

00:49:39.000 Rhonda Patrick went over it pretty much in detail and she thinks what's going on for the most part where people are seeing results is basically calorie restriction.

00:49:46.000 Because you're just not eating that many calories.

00:49:49.000 You're eating only steak.

00:49:50.000 In terms of like how much you're using throughout the day.

00:49:54.000 And a lot of these people are eating like one, two meals a day and they're losing massive amounts of weight.

00:49:58.000 They're down to the weight they were when they were 21 and they feel fantastic.

00:50:02.000 All the gut problems go away.

00:50:04.000 All the different issues they have with autoimmune diseases go away.

00:50:08.000 And she's like, this is all mimicked by calorie restriction diets.

00:50:11.000 She's like, this is most likely what you're experiencing.

00:50:14.000 And there's a bunch of other nutrition experts that are sort of examining that because it's become quite a movement.

00:50:19.000 Yeah.

00:50:21.000 People are like calories in, calories out.

00:50:23.000 40% of calories from protein are actually used in the breakdown of protein.

00:50:27.000 So if I eat 100 calories of protein, 40 of them are used to actually break down the protein.

00:50:33.000 And then there's a thermogenic effect to actually heat the body. 1.00

00:50:36.000 Like you eat a lot of fucking meat, you notice your body's hot as fuck. 1.00

00:50:39.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:50:41.000 Yeah, that's one of the things they actually recommend you do.

00:50:44.000 Yeah, right?

00:50:45.000 It's one of the things they actually recommend if you're cold, like if you get drenched, to re-warm.

00:50:53.000 There's these things that they do, re-warming drills in the military, and they recommend you eating.

00:50:58.000 Yeah.

00:50:58.000 And eating is a big part of trying to heat up because your body starts generating heat to try to break down the food that you're taking in.

00:51:05.000 Right.

00:51:06.000 There's so much that we look at.

00:51:08.000 10% of your metabolism actually comes from breaking down food. 0.98

00:51:11.000 10%, that's a fuck ton of calories, man. 0.80

00:51:13.000 That's a lot. 0.78

00:51:14.000 When we actually come to rehydration, in terms of the fighters getting ready for the fight, we actually take a look at that.

00:51:21.000 Do you want your body breaking food down while you're fighting and stuff like that?

00:51:26.000 Through your enteric nervous system, your body's not going to be like, you know...

00:51:30.000 We're going to break this food down. 0.99

00:51:32.000 No, actually, with your enteric nervous system, if you see a fucking bear, the body's like, hmm, are we going to break down food or are we going to run from the fucking bear? 1.00

00:51:39.000 The body's like, we're going to fucking run. 0.99

00:51:41.000 So it sends an epinephrine through the body. 0.99

00:51:44.000 You stop digesting. 1.00

00:51:45.000 But that doesn't mean that shit's not stealing your fucking gut. 0.99

00:51:48.000 But with that being said, in terms of the meat and shit like that, yeah, man, a large percentage of that is actually used to break down foods. 0.99

00:51:56.000 And it's like... 0.98

00:51:58.000 We talk about glucagon, and I get so many fucking people that are like, that's not how the body works. 0.99

00:52:05.000 You know, like, I get that's not how the body fucking works. 1.00

00:52:08.000 When you fucking eat the protein, like, it's not like your body's like, oh, we're gonna shoot glucagon through the fucking system. 1.00

00:52:13.000 But how many times have you eaten a fucking high-pancake fucking breakfast, and you're like... 1.00

00:52:19.000 Let's go fucking kick today's ass. 1.00

00:52:21.000 No, you were like, fuck, let's go back to bed. 1.00

00:52:23.000 You have a big ass omelet. 1.00

00:52:25.000 You're like, suck today's dick and let's fucking go kick some ass. 1.00

00:52:28.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:52:28.000 You have energy. 1.00

00:52:30.000 Because glucagon is fucking through your system. 0.95

00:52:32.000 Obviously, it's not the way the body works, but in essence, when you're taking specific things at specific times, you're going to promote the usage of carbohydrates more or less. 0.99

00:52:44.000 So those pancakes wouldn't be a bad thing after a workout?

00:52:46.000 After a workout, 100%.

00:52:48.000 Timing is everything.

00:52:49.000 Now, we really haven't wrapped that up.

00:52:52.000 So fruits, but what other kind of sugars do you recommend a guy take post-workout, hard workout?

00:52:58.000 I mean, we work with so many guys.

00:53:02.000 They're sponsored by this supplement company, this supplement company. 0.99

00:53:05.000 But we give them whatever the fuck they want in terms of the dextrose. 0.98

00:53:08.000 And dextrose is just a monosaccharide. 0.99

00:53:10.000 It's basically just a simple sugar.

00:53:12.000 You're straying away from that fella.

00:53:13.000 There you go.

00:53:14.000 Simple sugar.

00:53:14.000 Just bring it to you.

00:53:16.000 Bring it to you.

00:53:16.000 It moves.

00:53:17.000 The arm goes this way.

00:53:19.000 It goes that way.

00:53:20.000 Joe, me and technology do not, Max.

00:53:21.000 Just keep it near you.

00:53:23.000 Just keep it near you.

00:53:24.000 That's all you do.

00:53:25.000 This feels awkward.

00:53:26.000 You don't have to lean.

00:53:28.000 It moves towards you.

00:53:29.000 That's what I'm trying to say.

00:53:31.000 Grab the arm.

00:53:32.000 Breach, grab the arm.

00:53:33.000 Pull towards you.

00:53:34.000 All right, Joe.

00:53:34.000 This is really getting off.

00:53:35.000 It goes this way.

00:53:36.000 It goes that way.

00:53:37.000 It goes back.

00:53:38.000 It goes back.

00:53:42.000 And before a fight, what do you have?

00:53:46.000 Say if Connor's going to fight at 9 p.m.

00:53:49.000 is the main event.

00:53:50.000 When do you have him eat and what do you have him eat?

00:53:53.000 So we have to break it down to the amount of meals, right?

00:53:55.000 So what we do is we basically find out the amount of muscle tissue that an individual has.

00:54:00.000 So he's weighing what on the day of the fight?

00:54:03.000 170-ish?

00:54:04.000 Right.

00:54:04.000 So what we have to do, it's not necessarily your...

00:54:08.000 Your weight, but it's your lean muscle tissue.

00:54:11.000 So you have your lean body mass, right?

00:54:12.000 So let's say you're 200 pounds, right?

00:54:14.000 You're 200 pounds and let's say you're 10% body fat.

00:54:16.000 That means that you're 180 pounds of lean body mass.

00:54:20.000 A lot of people are like, oh, that means I'm 180 pounds of muscle.

00:54:22.000 No, that actually means only 40% of that is actual lean muscle tissue.

00:54:27.000 Now, each kilogram of lean muscle tissue holds on to 13 grams of glycogen.

00:54:30.000 So we have to find out, okay, how much lean muscle tissue do you hold?

00:54:35.000 All right?

00:54:37.000 How do you find that out?

00:54:38.000 Do you do a float?

00:54:39.000 It's 40%.

00:54:39.000 Do you have them submerge in water?

00:54:42.000 No.

00:54:42.000 Honestly, brother, I have literally, like, we've had the hydrostatic testing.

00:54:49.000 We've done the, what the fuck is it? 0.98

00:54:53.000 Thank you. 0.98

00:54:54.000 Thank you.

00:54:55.000 I appreciate that.

00:54:56.000 That's why you brought me up.

00:54:57.000 The DecaScan is the one that they use in the performance system.

00:54:59.000 I don't think I'm saying it correctly, but it's something like that.

00:55:02.000 That's that machine.

00:55:03.000 And they have it in the performance system.

00:55:04.000 It's $500,000 piece of gear, right?

00:55:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:06.000 Fucking, they're incorrect. 1.00

00:55:08.000 They're wrong. 1.00

00:55:08.000 Is it really? 1.00

00:55:09.000 100%, bro.

00:55:10.000 100%.

00:55:10.000 I literally...

00:55:11.000 Here's the thing.

00:55:12.000 There's things that you know scientifically can't happen. 0.99

00:55:15.000 Your body cannot be anabolic and catabolic at the same fucking time. 0.95

00:55:18.000 So if you're like, you know, I got so many people like, hey, George, I want to gain muscle and lose fat. 0.99

00:55:24.000 I'm like, so do I, man. 0.98

00:55:26.000 I fucking would love that. 0.98

00:55:27.000 But it's impossible. 0.99

00:55:28.000 It's impossible. 0.99

00:55:29.000 Your body cannot be anabolic and catabolic at the same fucking time, right? 0.99

00:55:33.000 Well, we went and did that machine last year with fucking Connor, right? 0.99

00:55:37.000 It showed him. 0.97

00:55:38.000 And at the end of the day, I'm like... 0.99

00:55:41.000 That's how good I fucking am. 0.96

00:55:42.000 But it showed him gaining muscle and losing actual fat. 0.99

00:55:46.000 It's impossible.

00:55:47.000 I'm like, those are incorrect.

00:55:48.000 Well, impossible over a long period of time, you're saying?

00:55:52.000 Obviously, some people do gain muscle and they do lose fat.

00:55:55.000 Like, say, if someone's on a diet.

00:55:56.000 Percentage.

00:55:57.000 So here's the thing.

00:55:59.000 If you gain muscle mass, your body fat percentage can go down.

00:56:05.000 You can lean out, right?

00:56:06.000 So let's say like, oh, it's like, okay, I gained five pounds of muscle and I only gained like a half a pound of fat.

00:56:12.000 My body fat percentage is going to go down.

00:56:14.000 Because your body weight got heavier.

00:56:16.000 100%.

00:56:16.000 But did I lose fat?

00:56:18.000 No, I did not lose fat.

00:56:20.000 If you look at like, okay, your body has, make sense?

00:56:24.000 Yeah, I see.

00:56:24.000 It's impossible.

00:56:25.000 So how does one lose body fat?

00:56:28.000 Well, you've got to be in a catabolic state.

00:56:29.000 You've got to be at a deficit.

00:56:31.000 And when you are at a deficit, you're not going to gain muscle.

00:56:34.000 In fact, you're going to lose muscle.

00:56:35.000 100%. 1.00

00:56:36.000 If anybody says otherwise, they're full of shit. 1.00

00:56:39.000 And they're on an infomercial. 1.00

00:56:41.000 And if you buy today for $19.99.

00:56:45.000 That's the truth, brother.

00:56:47.000 So that's just how the body works.

00:56:49.000 The body works in that if you're gaining muscle, you might have less percentage of fat, but that is because your body is getting heavier.

00:56:57.000 Right, right.

00:56:58.000 You can lean out.

00:56:59.000 Your body fat percentage can go down.

00:57:01.000 But if you look at a DEXA scan, it's going to be like, okay, let's say you have 50 pounds of fat.

00:57:07.000 It's not going to be like, it shouldn't be like, oh, now you have 40 pounds of fat.

00:57:12.000 And more muscle.

00:57:13.000 Right, 100%.

00:57:14.000 I see what you're saying.

00:57:16.000 So you calculate how much lean muscle mass he has.

00:57:20.000 Tissue.

00:57:20.000 Lean muscle tissue, excuse me.

00:57:22.000 And then you coordinate his meals accordingly?

00:57:25.000 Right.

00:57:26.000 Yeah, so it's like, okay, well, he's going to fight at this time or she's going to fight at this time.

00:57:29.000 This is the amount of meals that they're going to have dictated on the amount of, you know, like after rehydration and so on and so forth.

00:57:35.000 This amount of carbohydrates that they actually have to have.

00:57:39.000 And it's funny because men and women are totally different.

00:57:41.000 Right.

00:57:42.000 You know, men...

00:57:42.000 Do you still work with Cyborg?

00:57:44.000 I don't work with Cyborg.

00:57:45.000 That was an extreme wake cut though, right?

00:57:48.000 Yeah, we'll go with that.

00:57:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:50.000 I mean, yeah, she's, yeah.

00:57:52.000 It was tough. 0.99

00:57:53.000 You know, Chris is a, I mean, it's no fucking, you know, she's a big girl. 0.98

00:58:00.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:58:00.000 Like, you know, so. 0.99

00:58:01.000 What does she walk around at? 1.00

00:58:03.000 Hmm.

00:58:05.000 I don't remember, but I think it was like in the 70s. 0.93

00:58:09.000 And she got all the way down to 140 at one point in time, which didn't make any fucking sense. 0.98

00:58:14.000 When they were making her do that, I was like, why are you making her do that when you don't even have a goddamn weight class for it? 1.00

00:58:19.000 I was like, are you making her do that to show that she's close to 135? 0.93

00:58:23.000 It didn't make any sense.

00:58:24.000 There's a 145. You could have her fight at 145. No, no, no.

00:58:28.000 140. Like, what?

00:58:30.000 There's no 140 weight class!

00:58:32.000 Right, right.

00:58:32.000 It doesn't exist.

00:58:33.000 Right.

00:58:34.000 It's so weird.

00:58:35.000 That was so weird. 0.98

00:58:36.000 And I would see her, like, the videos of her fucking crying and trying to get her down to that weight. 1.00

00:58:43.000 I was like, that's insane. 0.99

00:58:45.000 Yeah, no, it definitely... 0.93

00:58:47.000 And, you know, like, with every weight cut, man, it's fucking tough.

00:58:50.000 You know, like, well, Chris, like, me and her got... 0.94

00:58:52.000 We got close.

00:58:53.000 I think we got a little bit too close.

00:58:55.000 That's one thing I learned.

00:58:56.000 I have to have a separation.

00:58:58.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:58:59.000 Because when you're like, get the fuck in the bath, you have to have that. 0.99

00:59:02.000 And with her, I was like, man, we were so close as friends. 1.00

00:59:05.000 I was like, fuck, dude. 1.00

00:59:06.000 Right. 1.00

00:59:06.000 I see what you're saying. 1.00

00:59:07.000 Yeah.

00:59:08.000 You can't get hardcore.

00:59:09.000 Yeah, dude.

00:59:10.000 I'm bad. 1.00

00:59:10.000 With women, too, I'm fucking horrible. 1.00

00:59:13.000 With dudes, I'm like, stop being a bitch, man. 1.00

00:59:15.000 With girls, I'm like, aw, man. 1.00

00:59:17.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00

00:59:17.000 Are you crying? 1.00

00:59:19.000 We don't really have to do this, do we?

00:59:21.000 Like...

00:59:23.000 Right, right, yeah.

00:59:25.000 Who's the hardest that you've ever had to lose weight? 1.00

00:59:28.000 Fucking Vic. 1.00

00:59:29.000 James goddamn Vic. 1.00

00:59:30.000 Really? 1.00

00:59:31.000 Yeah, that son of a bitch. 1.00

00:59:32.000 He's six fucking four fighting at 155. He's a big fella. 1.00

00:59:36.000 Yeah, dude, he's got a goddamn sweet tooth. 1.00

00:59:38.000 Oh, no. 1.00

00:59:40.000 George, George, come on, man.

00:59:41.000 Let me have some Oreos.

00:59:42.000 Like, after he makes weight, let me have some Oreos.

00:59:44.000 We have a little...

00:59:48.000 You get two Orioles if you do this.

00:59:50.000 What does he walk around at?

00:59:52.000 He's in the 90s, man.

00:59:53.000 Jesus Christ.

00:59:55.000 How much do you think that affects his actual performance?

00:59:58.000 Do you think that hinders him?

01:00:00.000 Am I talking business or I'm talking reality?

01:00:03.000 Reality.

01:00:04.000 Yeah, of course, man.

01:00:05.000 It does.

01:00:05.000 So it's a point of diminishing returns, right?

01:00:07.000 You've got to figure out when do you hit that point.

01:00:10.000 Because you look at guys like Dustin Poirier, he's done much better at 155. Yeah.

01:00:14.000 He looks better.

01:00:15.000 I'll never forget, I worked with Dustin when he first got into the UFC and they were like, he needs to be 145 in 21 days. 0.98

01:00:24.000 I'm like, let's fucking do it, man. 0.99

01:00:25.000 You know, like, him and fucking, you know, so many motherfuckers, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:00:30.000 You're absolutely right. 1.00

01:00:31.000 You know, you look at that Kelvin Gastelum, you know?

01:00:34.000 People don't realize, like, the point of a fight camp is not to make weight.

01:00:38.000 The point of a fight camp is to increase your skill, increase your ability.

01:00:42.000 Like, it should be periodization, you know what I'm saying? 0.98

01:00:44.000 We're talking about, like, the big beef, you know, big motherfuckers that are like, yeah, you're like, this guy's the strength and conditioning coach. 0.99

01:00:51.000 He don't know shit about periodization. 0.99

01:00:52.000 Do you work with Kelvin? 0.65

01:00:54.000 Yeah, we work together a lot.

01:00:56.000 Now, we don't work so much together.

01:01:01.000 And that's one of the things, a lot of guys will work with us when they have to make weight.

01:01:05.000 There's certain guys like Frankie Edgar.

01:01:07.000 Edgar's like, dude, he invests in himself.

01:01:10.000 He knows that.

01:01:11.000 He shows up almost on weight, but it's all about performance.

01:01:15.000 He knows that.

01:01:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:16.000 Same thing with weight.

01:01:17.000 Well, he's a guy who fought at 155 when he really was 155. I can get him to 125 without a problem.

01:01:24.000 What?

01:01:25.000 125. Because people were talking about him fighting at 135. You're saying you could get him to fight flyweight.

01:01:33.000 100%. 1.00

01:01:33.000 And I'm like, dude, if a motherfucker is whooping ass at 145 and 155, when they were talking, and he was a champion at 155, I'm like, why the fuck am I going to try and cut this guy? 1.00

01:01:45.000 If he's a champion, you know what I mean? 0.99

01:01:48.000 Because he could be the champ, champ, champ.

01:01:51.000 I know, like 125. You think so?

01:01:53.000 Bro.

01:01:54.000 Have you talked to him about this? 0.98

01:01:55.000 I fucking love Frankie. 0.97

01:01:56.000 You pulled him aside? 0.99

01:01:57.000 No, I haven't.

01:01:58.000 Put the pizza down, Frankie.

01:01:59.000 I will never ask him.

01:02:00.000 I will never sit down.

01:02:02.000 If Frankie was like, George, I want to get to 125, I'm like, thank God, George.

01:02:05.000 Thank goodness.

01:02:06.000 Right.

01:02:07.000 But hey, he's never asked me, so I'll never bring it up.

01:02:09.000 Do you work with TJ? I have worked with TJ. Me and him are good friends.

01:02:14.000 And this is the thing with me, Joe. 0.99

01:02:16.000 I work with fucking everybody. 1.00

01:02:18.000 So in terms of politics, I'm a dirty little slut that goes from one room to the next. 1.00

01:02:25.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:02:25.000 You kind of have to be, right? 1.00

01:02:27.000 Yeah, dirty bastard. 1.00

01:02:29.000 Fucking horrible. 1.00

01:02:30.000 Do they allow that more so with you because it's a weight cut thing? 1.00

01:02:34.000 It's not like you work with TJ and you go, oh, I know TJ's tendencies, and then you work with another guy?

01:02:41.000 I'm not training you to beat a specific individual.

01:02:45.000 You're training a person to make a specific weight.

01:02:47.000 What I tell people is I'm making you the best you that I can be.

01:02:51.000 And in terms of business, I'm like, don't you want to beat the best them? 1.00

01:02:55.000 And they're like, fuck yeah. 1.00

01:02:57.000 Alright. 1.00

01:02:57.000 So it's okay. 1.00

01:02:58.000 So that's why they're okay with it.

01:03:00.000 Right.

01:03:00.000 That's interesting.

01:03:01.000 That's a rare section of the sport where you can do that.

01:03:05.000 100%.

01:03:06.000 But you have to, like...

01:03:08.000 And I've had to...

01:03:09.000 We have a pretty...

01:03:10.000 We have an awesome team.

01:03:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:12.000 But that's one thing I have to tell them.

01:03:14.000 Because they get so fucking... 0.97

01:03:17.000 When you're with a fighter for a camp, you get super close, and I'm like, bro, it's fine to get close with him, but it's okay to root for him, but we never get to a point where we root and we talk shit about the other fucking team, because chances are we work with him. 0.97

01:03:29.000 And we worked with Khabib, you know what I mean, for a long time, you know what I mean?

01:03:35.000 Who does he work with now?

01:03:37.000 I don't know.

01:03:38.000 I have no idea.

01:03:39.000 And he's had some real struggles.

01:03:41.000 Bro, he's had some tough cuts, man. 1.00

01:03:43.000 He's a tough motherfucker. 1.00

01:03:44.000 What was he doing wrong? 1.00

01:03:47.000 Everything.

01:03:48.000 Everything.

01:03:48.000 You know, and it's funny because I think that there's like a language barrier and things, but you know, there's also like...

01:03:57.000 Let's say you're cutting weight, right?

01:03:58.000 And you're looking at like, okay, common sense. 0.98

01:04:00.000 If I drink water, I'm going to fucking be heavier, right? 1.00

01:04:02.000 So fuck drinking water. 1.00

01:04:04.000 What you don't realize is you got your renal, you know, angiotension aldosterone system that's fucking going to be activated if you fucking cut back water early. 1.00

01:04:12.000 People don't realize that shit, man. 1.00

01:04:14.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:04:14.000 So what they do is... 1.00

01:04:15.000 Meaning that your body tries to hold on to that water more...

01:04:19.000 Everything in your body is created from a stimulus, you know what I mean?

01:04:21.000 Like first stimulus is you're hot, right?

01:04:23.000 When you're hot, what does your body do? 0.99

01:04:25.000 It's fucking sweat. 0.99

01:04:26.000 Then what happens? 1.00

01:04:27.000 Well, oh shit, like my body's dehydrated. 0.99

01:04:30.000 Blood pressure starts dropping. 0.99

01:04:31.000 It starts releasing ADH. It starts releasing, you know, aldosterone, shit like that. 0.98

01:04:38.000 In fact, you prevent you from sweating, you know, so... 0.98

01:04:42.000 They don't look at that.

01:04:43.000 What they look at is like, I drink water, put the weight on, we're going to start drinking water early.

01:04:48.000 How long have you been working with Connor?

01:04:51.000 Since Josie Aldo.

01:04:52.000 It was the first time I worked with Josie Aldo.

01:04:55.000 So it's been quite a long time.

01:04:57.000 Yeah.

01:04:58.000 And how much of a difference has it made, John?

01:05:02.000 It's huge because until then I was winging it.

01:05:06.000 The weight cutting part of the sport is cloaks and daggers and you're overhearing conversations and you're googling.

01:05:15.000 So it was pretty much guesswork on my end.

01:05:20.000 I got him to 145 nearly 20 times on my own.

01:05:26.000 But when we brought George in...

01:05:28.000 And it wasn't even just about making weight.

01:05:30.000 What I noticed with him was that every session was productive.

01:05:35.000 There was no sessions where he didn't have the pop in his shots or soreness.

01:05:40.000 That would just be a normal part.

01:05:42.000 Whereas when we brought in George, each session was a lot more effective.

01:05:48.000 So it wasn't just about making the weight.

01:05:49.000 It was making the training camp where he was improving the whole way through it.

01:05:54.000 He got down to 145 a couple times and he looked like a monster.

01:05:59.000 He looked like a zombie.

01:06:00.000 It was terrifying.

01:06:01.000 Yeah.

01:06:02.000 I mean, that had to play a big part in your decision to no longer have him fight at that weight cross.

01:06:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:07.000 I mean, we'd already gone up to 155. His final fight before going to the UFC was at 155. And I was kind of like, oh, thank God.

01:06:15.000 You know, this is suiting him better.

01:06:17.000 Because when he joined, he was sort of a scrawny 16, 17-year-old.

01:06:20.000 But then he started becoming a man.

01:06:22.000 So...

01:06:23.000 Getting down there was getting scarier and scarier.

01:06:25.000 And then his last fight, outside UFC, I thought he looked fantastic.

01:06:28.000 It was a handy weight cut.

01:06:31.000 And he just looked like a tank.

01:06:34.000 Now, the offer came in.

01:06:36.000 A couple of weeks later, Sean emailed me and said, we're offering you a 145 fight in April.

01:06:42.000 And of course, I told Conor, and he's screaming and running around.

01:06:45.000 We didn't care what weight class.

01:06:47.000 If he had said 125, we would have done it.

01:06:50.000 Sean specifically wanted us at 145. We went back to that lighter weight class.

01:06:57.000 It was almost accidental.

01:06:59.000 As soon as we got the opportunity, he went back up again.

01:07:02.000 He looked very thick at the weigh-ins.

01:07:04.000 He looks heavier.

01:07:05.000 He looks bigger.

01:07:06.000 Yeah, that's a part of the life cycle of an athlete.

01:07:10.000 If you're with the same guy for over a decade, you're going to see changes.

01:07:13.000 He's 30 now, he's not 18 anymore.

01:07:16.000 There are these different things going on in his life.

01:07:19.000 That's the benefit, I think, of working with someone for a long period of time rather than gym hopping.

01:07:26.000 You'll know what they can and can't do.

01:07:29.000 And he does a lot of unconventional training, right, in terms of physical conditioning.

01:07:34.000 Is he still doing all that stuff with Ido Portal?

01:07:37.000 Yeah, anytime Ido's in Europe, he tends to drop into Ireland.

01:07:41.000 We have a great relationship with him, and he'll play around with that.

01:07:44.000 You know, the reality is most of our time is going to be spent on the fundamentals of MMA. And the great thing with Ido is, especially in training camp, he'll come in near the end where you're just tired of doing single leg defenses.

01:07:58.000 You're tired of doing pad work.

01:07:59.000 And he comes in, he does all these fun games.

01:08:01.000 So we're still working out.

01:08:03.000 He's firing his brain in different ways.

01:08:05.000 He's working on coordination, on balance.

01:08:08.000 For me, as the head trainer, it's like, it's a nice break.

01:08:13.000 I'm sure there's John Wayne Power I heard say that, you know, when you have a fight coming up, you know how many miles you're going to run, you know how many kicks you're going to throw.

01:08:20.000 Every now and again, you want to come in and want to do some Ong back, jumping in the air, spinning elbows and stuff, because it breaks the monotony.

01:08:27.000 MMA is fantastic.

01:08:29.000 Because it's all the martial arts together, you're almost never going to get bored because you can always do something different.

01:08:34.000 But there's still a repetitiveness to it that it's nice to break with something unusual.

01:08:40.000 Now how much does training change when you're dealing with a specialist?

01:08:44.000 Like a guy like Khabib who is just a grappling phenom.

01:08:49.000 How much do you shift the emphasis of the training to take down defense, working on grappling?

01:08:55.000 And do you work mostly take down defense or do you just work overall wrestling so that take down defense becomes a part of that as well?

01:09:05.000 All of that.

01:09:09.000 We'll maybe talk about it later.

01:09:10.000 If there's one thing I could change is that I think I was too defensive in my mindset for this training camp.

01:09:16.000 But Habiba's very specific types of takedowns, depending on where he is, whether it's shooting on the low single in the middle, and then on the fence.

01:09:25.000 Long before Conor was due to fight him, I loved watching him.

01:09:28.000 That's kind of my area, defence.

01:09:29.000 I just love, right from the Randy Couture days, how to use defence and Habib does it to a new level.

01:09:37.000 You know, one of the takedowns he hit on Conor, he hadn't actually done it until the Aliquinta fight, so it was nice that we kind of got to see that, the high crotch.

01:09:44.000 I see a bit of DC in that, the high crotch and then Tripp on the far leg.

01:09:48.000 I think he blocked it once, but he did catch him with it.

01:09:50.000 So, you know, it was very specific takedowns.

01:09:53.000 Definitely for this training camp, it was the most specific that we went.

01:09:57.000 And then I remember about a week out or whenever it was, he did an interview and he said, well, if he doesn't make it, I'll fight Tony.

01:10:04.000 I don't care who it is. 0.98

01:10:05.000 And I was going, damn it. 0.97

01:10:07.000 I hadn't even looked at Tony's fights in so long. 0.98

01:10:09.000 So me and the other coaches started like, okay, great.

01:10:11.000 What does he do again?

01:10:13.000 Oh, yeah, he has that style.

01:10:14.000 Because we were so specific for this one.

01:10:18.000 Tony could possibly be a fight in the future.

01:10:21.000 When you think about the future now, after the Khabib fight, what are you thinking?

01:10:26.000 Are you thinking about just rest, let the dust settle, and then look at the landscape?

01:10:32.000 How do you approach it now?

01:10:34.000 I might, but he doesn't.

01:10:35.000 He's screaming and shouting for the rematch within minutes.

01:10:39.000 It's hard to push for that rematch, though, after that fight, right?

01:10:42.000 Sure.

01:10:42.000 No, I understand the logic of that.

01:10:45.000 You know, Tony's kind of earned it and stuff, but I also understand this is a business and it would be a huge fight.

01:10:53.000 You know, the rematch would be a huge fight.

01:10:55.000 Don't you think that it would be difficult to sell because of how dominant Khabib was in that fight?

01:11:02.000 Sure.

01:11:03.000 I do think the Round 3 showed promise.

01:11:08.000 Like I said, I would have liked to have changed things up a little bit, specifically a more offensive mindset.

01:11:14.000 I thought defensively we did quite well.

01:11:18.000 But offensively, we weren't really where we usually are.

01:11:21.000 And right when the fight was over, I was thinking, you know what?

01:11:24.000 I was kind of going into this not to lose, but not to win.

01:11:28.000 And his shots weren't as crisp as they normally are.

01:11:32.000 He had opportunities to hit them, especially in the third round.

01:11:34.000 And he just seemed to be the range.

01:11:37.000 Something was off.

01:11:38.000 How much of it had to do with the fact that he hadn't fought MMA in two years?

01:11:43.000 Absolutely.

01:11:44.000 Had to, right?

01:11:44.000 Yeah, of course.

01:11:45.000 And we tried to mimic it as close as we could in the gym and I brought in guys that he didn't know and I would say this is fight day and he would do with George exactly what he's going to do on fight day and we'd have a referee to get the fight feel.

01:11:58.000 But it's still in the gym.

01:12:01.000 Is he at a position now where every fight has to be a gigantic super fight and is that a problem in that you know what I thought after the fight after it was all over I was like you know what a good fight would be would be him versus Pettis like that would be a really good fight and it would be a really interesting fight in terms of stylistic matchup and it would be a great fight I think for Conor to sort of Just get a wild three-round,

01:12:28.000 or I guess it would probably be a main event, it would be five rounds, but it would be a wild fight that would probably favor him.

01:12:34.000 Yeah, I mean, the boxing, you know, when Tyson Fury was kind of coming back, they gave him a, you know, not the toughest guy in the world. 0.97

01:12:41.000 That shit doesn't happen in MMA. But it doesn't happen in MMA. Well, it doesn't happen in the UFC. Specifically the UFC. Yeah, and there's an issue with that, I think. 0.95

01:12:49.000 Yeah.

01:12:50.000 You know, at his early stages, he was fighting all the time.

01:12:55.000 And as is natural, as you get older and as you achieve more, it is going to start becoming, you know, once or twice a year.

01:13:02.000 That's just a natural progression of an athlete.

01:13:04.000 I don't care who you are.

01:13:05.000 But the wild fights that he could have at 155 pounds, whether it's James Vick or Justin Gagey or Pettis, there's good fights for him that aren't necessarily Khabib, they aren't necessarily Tony Ferguson, but they're a good fight to get that timing back, get everything locked in.

01:13:24.000 100%, but you have to factor in his personality.

01:13:27.000 And he's only fighting now for fights that are really interesting to him.

01:13:31.000 He's not that interesting to anybody else.

01:13:33.000 Not that I've heard...

01:13:33.000 That Floyd Mayweather paper.

01:13:35.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:36.000 That's the problem.

01:13:36.000 All that money, money, money, money.

01:13:38.000 Right.

01:13:39.000 So, you know...

01:13:40.000 What more can he, you know, even with his spending, what more can he play?

01:13:44.000 Well, the idea would be the eye on the future and the eye on the rematch.

01:13:47.000 You know, like getting everything dialed in so that when he does have a rematch with Khabib, he is samurai sword sharp.

01:13:55.000 Yes, sir.

01:13:55.000 As opposed to having two years off, one boxing fight in between them, and then such a grappling-heavy contest.

01:14:04.000 Yeah, I don't disagree.

01:14:06.000 That would be a trainer, you know, for me as a trainer, that would be the ideal.

01:14:09.000 But it would be hard to motivate him for that.

01:14:11.000 I think it would be hard to motivate him, and it's not really the UFC model.

01:14:15.000 It was obvious it was going to be those two.

01:14:18.000 But if anybody could tell the UFC what time it is, it's Conor.

01:14:23.000 Khabib time. 0.57

01:14:24.000 Yeah.

01:14:25.000 I mean, if anybody is the guy that can say, hey, this is what I want. 0.99

01:14:29.000 I want a fucking tune-up fight. 0.98

01:14:30.000 I want a tough guy. 1.00

01:14:32.000 He absolutely could.

01:14:34.000 Yeah.

01:14:34.000 And he absolutely wouldn't.

01:14:35.000 It was like when he lost to Diaz one fight.

01:14:39.000 Yeah.

01:14:39.000 And backstage, he was screaming and shouting at all the tough brass about getting the rematch at 170 as quick as possible.

01:14:47.000 I'm in the background going, please don't.

01:14:50.000 Did you not see that fight?

01:14:52.000 He's a terrifying individual.

01:14:54.000 Let's get a 155 fight. 1.00

01:14:57.000 Okay, maybe you meet him again, but he was not letting that go.

01:15:01.000 And four months later, he fought the exact same guy.

01:15:04.000 And that's where he is right now with Khabib.

01:15:07.000 That's all I'm hearing from you. 0.98

01:15:09.000 Yeah, well, listen, you could sell it for sure, especially with the fucking chaos after the fight, you know? 0.98

01:15:16.000 Just keep Dylan Dennis at home. 0.98

01:15:19.000 He's grounded.

01:15:21.000 Yeah, so what would you do differently?

01:15:25.000 Like I said, from a strategy point of view, my number one thing would be to think more offensively.

01:15:32.000 That we definitely had opportunities to land shots.

01:15:34.000 And when Conor lands shots, you know, watch the Eddie fight back again.

01:15:38.000 It doesn't take him a whole lot of shots.

01:15:40.000 He rarely misses, you know.

01:15:41.000 Even if you look at strikes that didn't land, those strikes were for a reason.

01:15:46.000 They were to see what way he holds his hand, see what he moves.

01:15:48.000 Like, you know, you're still watching Anderson Silva back in the day.

01:15:51.000 And I thought, you know, they have a similar kind of approach.

01:15:54.000 But this one just didn't seem to be landing.

01:15:56.000 When I look back at the training camp, we did spend most of our time with a defensive mindset.

01:16:03.000 And I think that's a mistake.

01:16:05.000 But don't you think that a big part of it also was that he had to be tired because Khabib is such a mauler? 1.00

01:16:12.000 100%.

01:16:12.000 I mean, it had to have some sort of an effect on his ability to land those shots.

01:16:16.000 Yeah, I'm sure that did and that was part of the strategy for one and two.

01:16:20.000 If we did end up on our backs was not to put a massive amount of effort into getting up, just play guard and stay safe because the next round starts on defeat and try to do damage there.

01:16:30.000 But it's still tiring.

01:16:32.000 Conor gets a hard time about his cardio all the time.

01:16:36.000 Who has Khabib faced that didn't look like that after two rounds?

01:16:40.000 Iaquinta.

01:16:41.000 Yeah.

01:16:42.000 I mean, I was super impressed with Al Iaquinta in that fight, especially considering he came into that fight looking for a three-round fight.

01:16:50.000 I mean, that was what he was trained for.

01:16:52.000 He was trained for a three-round fight, and it changes up, and all of a sudden he's in a five-round fight for the title. 0.99

01:16:58.000 Fucking crazy. 0.99

01:16:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:16:59.000 Crazy set of circumstances.

01:17:00.000 But it almost makes you wonder, and this is...

01:17:04.000 I mean, you could speak to this better than anybody.

01:17:06.000 How much...

01:17:08.000 How much is too much in regard to training for a fight like this?

01:17:12.000 Maybe training for a three-round fight is the way to go when you have to fight a five-round fight. 0.93

01:17:17.000 So you're not so fucking beat up by the time you get to the fight. 0.89

01:17:21.000 If you already know how to fight five rounds, you've already done it. 0.87

01:17:24.000 If you're a guy like Conor who's just got so much experience in the game, it might be that...

01:17:29.000 It's like there's a point of diminishing returns in terms of your strength and conditioning, and that guys just go too far, push too hard, and just don't have it.

01:17:40.000 How many times have you seen a fighter be overtrained when they fight?

01:17:45.000 Very often.

01:17:47.000 Definitely.

01:17:48.000 They've given their best rounds in the gym.

01:17:50.000 And it's very difficult as well in those last two weeks because anxiety is starting to grow.

01:17:54.000 So you want to train harder.

01:17:56.000 You want to get one more spar in.

01:17:58.000 Because the fight's coming.

01:18:00.000 It's almost like when you're back in school and you're cramming for an exam.

01:18:03.000 Well, the exam's tomorrow.

01:18:05.000 I'm going to stay up all night studying.

01:18:06.000 It actually got me through college.

01:18:08.000 It works so much.

01:18:10.000 But in fighting, we've got to do the opposite.

01:18:12.000 So we've got to have a solid taper off period.

01:18:14.000 And that is hard when you're dealing with a 20-something year old man.

01:18:18.000 And he's dealing with what's coming around the corner.

01:18:21.000 But that's the trainer's job.

01:18:24.000 How much did he taper off for this fight?

01:18:26.000 Same as usual.

01:18:27.000 We have about a two-week taper-off period where we start bringing it down.

01:18:32.000 He did actually spar even after that.

01:18:36.000 We were all working very hard for this fight in a somewhat limited period of time.

01:18:41.000 So we didn't taper off quite the way we would normally do, but roughly two weeks.

01:18:45.000 If you wanted to do a rematch, and if the UFC did grant a rematch, then this is...

01:18:51.000 Obviously dependent upon how the Nevada State Athletic Commission handles the legal ramifications of him jumping out of the cage, attacking Dylan Dennis, the subsequent brawl, the chaos that ensued, visas.

01:19:04.000 I mean, you're dealing with a lot of legal shit in this fight that could hold things up.

01:19:09.000 I mean, they held both guys' purses, correct? 0.98

01:19:12.000 Well, they held Khabib's. 1.00

01:19:13.000 Conor got his.

01:19:14.000 Yeah, okay.

01:19:14.000 Conor got his purse paid.

01:19:17.000 So he gets his purse. 0.99

01:19:19.000 And Khabib, I mean, who the fuck knows what's going to happen with him. 0.98

01:19:23.000 Yeah, I hope they're lenient on him. 0.99

01:19:25.000 And not just so we can get a rematch.

01:19:27.000 I mean, I love watching him fight for a start.

01:19:29.000 And I can...

01:19:31.000 I can stretch myself to understand his reaction.

01:19:34.000 I can't stretch myself to understand the other guy's reactions and what they did.

01:19:41.000 But Habib, he jumped over the cage and he jumps on. 0.97

01:19:43.000 It's not the end of the world.

01:19:44.000 Who was the guy that jumped in that was wearing red, who punched Conor?

01:19:48.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

01:19:49.000 I think that's his boxing coach, but I'm guessing here.

01:19:52.000 He's a fighter.

01:19:52.000 He fights for the UFC. In the red?

01:19:55.000 Was that not an old...

01:19:56.000 He wasn't older.

01:19:57.000 I think I should work with him.

01:19:58.000 Oh, okay.

01:19:59.000 You work with him?

01:20:00.000 There you go.

01:20:00.000 Who is he?

01:20:01.000 I don't know his name.

01:20:03.000 It's either Islam or Rustan. 0.96

01:20:06.000 Yeah, it was either Islam or Rustam, yeah. 0.99

01:20:09.000 I don't think it was either one of those guys.

01:20:11.000 Like, I know Islam, he was, you know, he hit Dylan. 1.00

01:20:14.000 And a guy in a suit that I heard is his Russian manager, he hit Dylan. 0.99

01:20:18.000 Either way.

01:20:19.000 But actually in the cage, when your man went in and hit him from behind.

01:20:24.000 You know, I can't understand that.

01:20:26.000 Like I said, for Habib, I didn't think it was, you know, it was, it's just, it's almost... 0.89

01:20:31.000 It's such a foolish thing to do. 0.98

01:20:33.000 Foolish thing to do. 0.99

01:20:34.000 He'd already won. 0.99

01:20:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:35.000 I know that Dylan was talking shit and he was angry, but... 0.99

01:20:38.000 Well, he actually didn't say anything because I heard a few people saying that. 0.99

01:20:41.000 Now, I was standing beside Dylan.

01:20:42.000 I didn't see what he did, but I could hear.

01:20:44.000 So he didn't say anything.

01:20:45.000 Now, when I watched back, I seen he kind of beckoned him on.

01:20:48.000 Yeah.

01:20:48.000 You know.

01:20:49.000 Just stupid end-of-fight stuff, but I didn't think it justified that level of response. 0.99

01:20:54.000 Now, maybe there was something else in the lead-up, you know? 0.98

01:20:56.000 Dylan is a bit of a troll online, so there's probably a bit of a build-up of other stuff.

01:21:02.000 But, yeah, like I said, it wasn't that big a deal to me, what Habib did.

01:21:07.000 It just really wasn't. 0.82

01:21:08.000 Well, there's two ways of looking at it, in terms of, like, the trash talking.

01:21:13.000 And one way is that, man, does that sell a fight?

01:21:17.000 I mean, it sells a fight.

01:21:18.000 I mean, Conor's one of the best ever at it, if not the best ever at it. 0.99

01:21:21.000 Talking shit to opponents, getting them riled up. 0.99

01:21:24.000 I mean, it is... 1.00

01:21:25.000 The reason why Jose Aldo lost his composure and came charging face first at Conor.

01:21:30.000 I mean, you've got to think emotions played a big part of that.

01:21:33.000 It ramps up your stress.

01:21:35.000 It ramps up the fighters' anxiety, anticipation, and it ramps up the pressure on them to win.

01:21:41.000 And this emotion that they're fighting with fucks up their judgment.

01:21:45.000 It just does.

01:21:46.000 And it's a major tool that Conor uses.

01:21:50.000 But, on the other hand...

01:21:53.000 People say, well, I like it when fighters are respectful.

01:21:56.000 And this is one of the things that Khabib's saying.

01:21:57.000 This sport should be about respect.

01:22:00.000 You shouldn't be talking about someone's family.

01:22:02.000 You shouldn't be talking about someone's religion.

01:22:04.000 You shouldn't be talking about someone's country.

01:22:06.000 But, you know, on the other hand... 0.97

01:22:10.000 That's one of the reasons why Conor's so fucking huge. 0.91

01:22:12.000 It's not just his results. 0.98

01:22:14.000 It's all the other things that come along with it. 1.00

01:22:16.000 It's the excitement that he generates, the shit-talking, the, who the fuck is that guy? 1.00

01:22:21.000 Like, that kind of shit, that's a big part of who he is. 1.00

01:22:23.000 It's a part of who he is as this cultural icon. 1.00

01:22:26.000 I mean, it's one of the reasons why people love him.

01:22:29.000 I mean, they don't just love his ability inside the octagon, which is quite substantial.

01:22:34.000 They love the swagger.

01:22:36.000 They love when he comes in with rubber arms and...

01:22:38.000 And struts around the cage. 1.00

01:22:40.000 They love all that shit. 1.00

01:22:41.000 They love all that shit, but it's like, when is too far? 1.00

01:22:45.000 And that is the question. 1.00

01:22:46.000 When is too far?

01:22:47.000 Yeah, you know, Conor's a real divider.

01:22:52.000 Some people will love it and some people will hate it.

01:22:54.000 I'm not really that interested in people's opinions on things.

01:22:57.000 I'm just interested in what is.

01:22:59.000 And what is, that sells fights.

01:23:02.000 There's a reason he's the highest paid guy.

01:23:05.000 So if that is what is, and that's just natural for him to do as well.

01:23:09.000 It's not an act.

01:23:09.000 It's not...

01:23:10.000 You know, when he's sparring, like him and Artem are the best of friends, and every single spar, they shit talk to each other. 0.99

01:23:16.000 Oh, you're shit today, you're not on form today. 0.99

01:23:18.000 You know, people listen to that and they hate each other. 1.00

01:23:21.000 And then there's big smiles at the end of it.

01:23:22.000 It's just part of the game for him.

01:23:24.000 He enjoys it.

01:23:26.000 It's a bit of fun.

01:23:27.000 This one was darker, you know, as Dana said, it definitely was, but it's just part of who he is.

01:23:33.000 I don't really involve myself in it.

01:23:34.000 I try to stay outside of that and then just focus on the task in hand.

01:23:39.000 Does it ever get cringey for you?

01:23:41.000 Because you are a very respectful guy.

01:23:43.000 Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely not my personality.

01:23:46.000 It's absolutely not my personality.

01:23:47.000 But again, I don't find my own opinions on things very interesting.

01:23:51.000 I'm only interested in what is.

01:23:55.000 There's a fact that he does this and it's gotten the results he has.

01:24:00.000 Okay, well, I guess that's what he does.

01:24:02.000 It's not how I am.

01:24:04.000 Right.

01:24:04.000 I mean, you look at the two biggest names in combat sports, Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor, and they both do it.

01:24:10.000 Yeah.

01:24:11.000 You know, my favorite fighter back in the day was Fedor.

01:24:14.000 And there was a man that barely said anything, and the purest, if you want to say, loved him.

01:24:19.000 But he was also fighting mostly in Japan, and it's different...

01:24:23.000 It's a different culture than here.

01:24:25.000 You could be that guy.

01:24:27.000 I almost have the two extremes.

01:24:29.000 I've Gunnar Nelson, who you never hear a blip out of.

01:24:32.000 And then I have Conor, who's the other end of the scale.

01:24:36.000 You can only be true to yourself, but I look at their followings and their sponsorship deals and their fight purses and stuff, and it's obvious which one is doing better.

01:24:46.000 If we can agree on the object of prize fighting is to make money and that's it, The object of martial arts, I think, is very different, but the object of prize fighting, and don't ever lose sight of that, as soon as I hear a fighter saying it's for some other reason, I'll try to make him retire as quick as possible because he's not being smart.

01:25:02.000 You're taking damage for money, and keep that in mind, no matter what your choices are.

01:25:09.000 Do you have guys in the gym that you see that sort of mimic Conor?

01:25:13.000 Of course, of course.

01:25:15.000 You're dealing with teenagers and 20s.

01:25:19.000 I look back on myself.

01:25:21.000 It's a hugely impressionable period of your life.

01:25:26.000 Young men almost try out different personalities.

01:25:31.000 And if you're such a strong personality in the gym, definitely.

01:25:35.000 I can spot the 18-year-old walking in with the man bun and the suit telling me he's going to be the next year.

01:25:41.000 I probably would have been the same at 18. It's no different.

01:25:44.000 But through, again, months and years of conversations, not telling them what to do, but conversations, I sort of say, this is a completely natural thing to do, but start to find your own voice and find your own way.

01:25:55.000 If that's who you are, you enjoy that side of it, run with it.

01:25:58.000 If it's not who you are, even the fans will see it through very quick as well.

01:26:02.000 The fans can see when someone is genuinely doing something and doing it as an act.

01:26:08.000 Now who did you guys bring in for wrestling for this camp?

01:26:11.000 You know, Sergei is wrestling coach since day one.

01:26:16.000 We're not big into like, oh, if we bring this guy in and there's six weeks to go, we're going to learn.

01:26:22.000 You know, it's not the approach.

01:26:24.000 Not the approach to learn for a camp, but like, say now.

01:26:28.000 Right.

01:26:28.000 Like, say if you got, like, here we are, it's October.

01:26:31.000 If they say, we're looking at July of 2019, substantial amount of time from now, Plenty of time to train and also it's a gigantic card.

01:26:41.000 The 4th of July weekend, let's target a rematch for them.

01:26:46.000 What would you do differently?

01:26:47.000 Who would you bring in in terms of like wrestling?

01:26:50.000 So when you're dealing with somebody for this long, you also know there's personalities, you know, and it's one of the reasons why George worked so well.

01:26:59.000 He kind of fit it into how the team's structured.

01:27:03.000 So you might bring in someone who's, and I get so many great offers from guys with really good credentials, but what is the use of that if him and Conor are going to clash?

01:27:14.000 No matter which athlete I'm dealing with.

01:27:17.000 So actually, to me, even almost more important than anything is that they can connect and that they have a good working relationship.

01:27:26.000 Now, let me state very clearly as well.

01:27:29.000 Sergei is a fantastic wrestling coach.

01:27:32.000 He comes from generations of wrestling in Moldova.

01:27:35.000 He's got the real slick kind of Russian style of wrestling.

01:27:37.000 You know, it's not just about kind of power doubles.

01:27:39.000 He's very, very slick.

01:27:40.000 And we have some very, very slick wrestlers in the gym. 0.62

01:27:43.000 So I think we're good there.

01:27:45.000 But guys coming in, passing through, and we had Helen Morales there, the female Olympic gold medal. 0.92

01:27:52.000 I think she was the first American female to get a gold medal.

01:27:55.000 She did Alessa McConnor and it worked out brilliant.

01:27:59.000 So things I think would happen naturally like that.

01:28:01.000 I have a busy gym.

01:28:03.000 I'm always getting fighters coming through.

01:28:05.000 We're always stealing techniques.

01:28:07.000 I tell my guys to be technique vampires.

01:28:09.000 Get what you can out of everybody that comes through.

01:28:11.000 You're never going to have a mindset of, I don't need to learn from that guy.

01:28:14.000 That guy knows something that you don't know.

01:28:17.000 So that, but for a structured, okay, let's train with this guy for three months and we're going to...

01:28:22.000 That's not really how skill is passed on, as far as I can tell from my experience of it.

01:28:28.000 It's got to work personality-wise.

01:28:30.000 And like I said, I... Is there some secret technique that...

01:28:37.000 I remember watching an interview with Dan Henderson and he was saying when he started doing jiu-jitsu tournaments, he found it so strange that they wouldn't warm up with each other or that they were afraid to see his deep half guard move.

01:28:48.000 Because in wrestling, I know what you're going to do.

01:28:50.000 You know what I'm going to do.

01:28:51.000 It's just going to come down to who can hit it on the day.

01:28:53.000 And he would actually warm up with guys he was going to be competing with.

01:28:56.000 Sometimes even because it made the match a little bit better, he had a bit of a vibe going.

01:29:00.000 I don't think there's any big secret move that Conor could learn that would suddenly reverse on Habib.

01:29:05.000 I thought we did quite well.

01:29:07.000 He almost took him down at the start.

01:29:09.000 We were ready for that low single and we had a little technique for there and he actually sat him down for a moment.

01:29:16.000 He didn't drive in.

01:29:17.000 We should have dug the underhook there and went into jiu-jitsu mode and started passing.

01:29:20.000 But instead he withdrew and Khabib did a great job.

01:29:23.000 He followed him back up in the single and then got a finish.

01:29:25.000 So I don't think it's necessarily about trying to bring in a four-time gold medalist and make a big wrestling program that doesn't quite fit in what we do.

01:29:36.000 Do you think, though, that it would help him to bring in high-level wrestlers to have intense sparring sessions with him so he could feel that kind of pressure that could be put on him?

01:29:46.000 Because the level of grappling that that guy brings to the octagon, it's very difficult to match.

01:29:51.000 Yeah.

01:29:52.000 It's kind of like on the reverse.

01:29:53.000 Who would you bring in to...

01:29:55.000 Bring the level of striking that Conor can bring in.

01:29:58.000 As trainers, we're always looking for that carbon copy so we can get as close as we can.

01:30:03.000 And we did.

01:30:04.000 We had some big 180, you know, 185ers rushing guys.

01:30:08.000 They were actually begging us not to put anything online because they can't go home.

01:30:12.000 So we had guys that were, you know, were mimicking.

01:30:15.000 But there's a reason why Habib is undefeated and the world champion.

01:30:19.000 You can't get another guy like him.

01:30:22.000 You mimic as much as possible, and you do drills, and you do scenarios.

01:30:26.000 Dylan Danis was a great training partner.

01:30:27.000 He's up at 200 pounds, and he actually comes from wrestling before jiu-jitsu.

01:30:30.000 He's got really good takedowns, and he's got a real good eye for stylistically trying to match somebody.

01:30:35.000 So you get as close as you can.

01:30:36.000 Can I ever be the exact guy?

01:30:38.000 No.

01:30:38.000 So you feel like there's enough room for improvement that if you could go back to the drawing board and give yourself a few months, that you could get him to a point where he could have more success?

01:30:48.000 Yeah.

01:30:48.000 The day I don't think that, I would quit.

01:30:51.000 So I'm completely biased and I absolutely think that we could get another shot at it.

01:30:57.000 And Conor thinks that as well.

01:30:58.000 Absolutely.

01:30:59.000 What did Conor think after the fight was over?

01:31:02.000 What did he say?

01:31:05.000 Cursed a lot.

01:31:07.000 No, he's very down.

01:31:09.000 He hates technical mistakes.

01:31:12.000 So that right hand, he was very disappointed he got caught with a shot like that.

01:31:17.000 But it's actually funny.

01:31:18.000 I was just thinking about this.

01:31:19.000 That right hand, if you showed up to a boxing coach, he'd say, that's horrible.

01:31:22.000 Your head's down.

01:31:23.000 Again, I don't really care about people's opinions and things.

01:31:26.000 I care about its effectiveness. 0.94

01:31:27.000 That was a damn effective technique. 0.89

01:31:29.000 It's one of the hardest... 0.98

01:31:30.000 Clean shots Conor's been caught with in his MMA career, never mind.

01:31:34.000 But a boxing guy, you know, you bring in a boxing coach for Habib, he would train that out of him.

01:31:38.000 No, your hand's here, goes out straight, comes back.

01:31:40.000 So you've got to be careful about the individual arts, you know.

01:31:44.000 A high-level Olympic boxing coach wouldn't teach Habib that, but it's very effective.

01:31:48.000 Dan Henderson's career was around that technique.

01:31:51.000 Yeah, it's just things change, though, when you add in takedowns, right?

01:31:54.000 Absolutely, Habib doesn't have to worry about that.

01:31:57.000 It's a lovely part of being such a high-level grappler.

01:32:00.000 You can go in and swing crazy.

01:32:02.000 Conor has to go in and be always worried about the guy coming underneath his shots.

01:32:09.000 Things change.

01:32:10.000 It's what makes the sport so interesting.

01:32:12.000 Yeah, we made the comparison between Kevin Randleman when he fought Mirko Krokop, that Krokop was so worried about the takedown, Randleman comes with a big punch and knocks him out.

01:32:21.000 Yeah, it was a similar set of circumstances.

01:32:25.000 Conor recovered very, very quickly.

01:32:27.000 He's got a hell of a chin.

01:32:28.000 Yes, he does.

01:32:30.000 He's rarely hit, and that's, of course, kept his chin strong because it does diminish.

01:32:36.000 He's 15 years old.

01:32:39.000 Sparring almost daily.

01:32:41.000 So if he didn't have that style of being elusive, if he was a gym war guy, he wouldn't be able to do what he's able to do today.

01:32:49.000 How hard does he spar?

01:32:52.000 It's a little bit dependent on who we're against.

01:32:54.000 If I brought in a sparring partner, it's like a fight.

01:32:57.000 It's going to be like a fight.

01:32:59.000 He's looking to finish.

01:33:00.000 If it's a training partner, teammate, we're probably doing it at a lower level.

01:33:06.000 So if you bring in someone... 0.99

01:33:08.000 There's no fucking around. 0.99

01:33:09.000 They're ready. 0.99

01:33:10.000 They've got to be ready.

01:33:10.000 And I tell them, I will say to them, I say two things.

01:33:14.000 One, he's going to talk to you.

01:33:15.000 Don't take it personal.

01:33:16.000 This is how he lives.

01:33:18.000 And two, it's going to be a fight.

01:33:20.000 So protect yourself.

01:33:21.000 Be ready.

01:33:22.000 Now, I referee and I'll be quick to step in.

01:33:25.000 But we have to do this.

01:33:26.000 We have to get a level of training that's going to match the intensity of a contest.

01:33:30.000 Right.

01:33:31.000 Are you going to do that all the time?

01:33:33.000 No.

01:33:33.000 You know, that's only at a certain period of the training camp, and it's only going to be, for us, it's once every four, once every eight days, just kind of depending on how the spar went and how the body is.

01:33:45.000 The more of that we can do, the better, because the more directly...

01:33:48.000 It correlates to what we're actually going to do.

01:33:51.000 But then you've got to be matched against, well, if he was a Jim Moore type guy, I'd have to pull back his sparring because he's taken too many shots.

01:33:57.000 Conor could go training camp without being hit.

01:34:00.000 He's so elusive in the case, so good at judging range and so on.

01:34:05.000 So for him, he can spar all the time.

01:34:08.000 I think another example of that may be Darren Till.

01:34:11.000 He's the top dog in the gym, so he can spar all day long because he's never really accepting damage.

01:34:15.000 But if you're number 10 in the gym, you probably shouldn't spar all the time because you're taking the shots.

01:34:20.000 For him particularly, he loves fighting.

01:34:23.000 He loves sparring.

01:34:24.000 Absolutely his favorite part of training.

01:34:25.000 He will do that seven days a week and we'll let him.

01:34:29.000 He trains to other areas, but there's always the glint in the eye when it's, what's today?

01:34:33.000 Sparring.

01:34:34.000 Here we go.

01:34:34.000 How do you decide?

01:34:35.000 Do you have a set schedule?

01:34:38.000 Yes.

01:34:40.000 We do things in cycles.

01:34:44.000 It will vary up for him, but it's roughly on an eight-day cycle that I do with him.

01:34:51.000 Day one and day four will be sparring.

01:34:53.000 Again, a little bit depending on where the weight is and how the last spar went and how he's feeling.

01:34:58.000 But if I can get that out, that's what I aim for.

01:35:01.000 Now, when you trained for the Mayweather fight, first of all, how much time did you have to prepare for that fight?

01:35:08.000 Ten weeks to the day.

01:35:09.000 That doesn't seem like a lot.

01:35:10.000 No.

01:35:11.000 No.

01:35:12.000 I remember just getting the message.

01:35:14.000 Do you think that that was calculated on Floyd's part?

01:35:18.000 Maybe.

01:35:18.000 He's a very smart guy.

01:35:19.000 Because it seems like most of his fights are planned way in advance, but that one was like, what?

01:35:24.000 It's a couple months away.

01:35:25.000 It just sort of happened, yeah.

01:35:26.000 Was it August?

01:35:28.000 Is that when the fight took place?

01:35:28.000 It was August, yeah.

01:35:30.000 And so I remember hearing about it and thinking like, wait, wait, August? 0.81

01:35:34.000 That's fucking really close. 0.91

01:35:36.000 Right, right. 0.98

01:35:36.000 Like for a Mayweather fight, you would think six weeks or six months or something along those lines. 0.98

01:35:41.000 But I would feel like for Floyd, as great as he is and probably the best ever in terms of boxing technique and not being hit, I mean, he's so elusive, still really wouldn't want a guy like Conor preparing for a long period of time and really getting acclimated.

01:35:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:00.000 It was kind of funny how that all came about because when he fought Eddie in November, the year before, I remember shortly after that we were at a function and I kind of pulled him aside and I shook his hand and said, right, you're done.

01:36:12.000 All the best.

01:36:13.000 Enjoy the rest of your life.

01:36:15.000 And he was kind of shocked I was saying this to him, but I said, what else are you going to do?

01:36:19.000 You're the two-way champion, you've got out the other end of this grind, this meat grinder, with no damage.

01:36:26.000 You're in a very small percentage and you've made plenty of money.

01:36:30.000 Often enjoy yourself.

01:36:32.000 And then time went past, a couple of months went past, and then the Mayweather fights started talking.

01:36:38.000 And I could understand it because now his grandkids were going to be financially secure.

01:36:43.000 So it made sense because it was a big payday.

01:36:46.000 It didn't really make sense for any other reason.

01:36:48.000 He enjoyed the competition side of it.

01:36:51.000 No matter what you're doing with Conor, it's going to be competition.

01:36:53.000 I don't care what it is.

01:36:54.000 He's going to look, how quick did you do that?

01:36:57.000 You're like, I just went for a piss.

01:36:58.000 Yeah, I'll do it quicker.

01:36:59.000 He's just that way.

01:37:01.000 So when him started having a bit of a back and forth, he was like, yeah, okay, let's quit the boxing and be the best boxer in the world.

01:37:05.000 And for me, I was on the outside going, okay, I understand what...

01:37:09.000 That makes sense to do.

01:37:11.000 Nothing else was really making sense at the time.

01:37:13.000 It's going to be damaging.

01:37:14.000 Boxing is a...

01:37:16.000 Horrendous sport to prepare for and to compete in because we're just looking at one thing really punches to the head.

01:37:21.000 You know, I don't know, of course, the body shots as well, but it's so damaging.

01:37:25.000 The only justification I could see for that was, you know, your grandkids are financially set.

01:37:30.000 Yeah, tremendous, tremendous hype behind it, tremendous amount of money.

01:37:35.000 Did you think he could win?

01:37:37.000 Of course.

01:37:38.000 I'm always going to think that way.

01:37:40.000 That's my mindset.

01:37:41.000 Let's prepare as best we can.

01:37:44.000 There are options here.

01:37:46.000 When he landed that uppercut in the first round, what did you think?

01:37:51.000 Even when he went out to do that...

01:37:53.000 So, you know, we did a whole training camp, and we brought in, you probably heard, we brought in Pauly Malignaggi.

01:37:59.000 And that was my first time ever seeing him against a recognized boxer.

01:38:03.000 Because in the gym, we had local guys.

01:38:05.000 What really happened in those sparring sessions?

01:38:07.000 Because what we got to see, the clip that was released, was Conor lighting Malignaggi up.

01:38:12.000 But Pauly Malignaggi insists that most of the sparring was him dominating.

01:38:18.000 Now, that's not what I saw.

01:38:21.000 You know, when he came back, he did a spar, he went away.

01:38:25.000 It all broke because a picture got leaked and then Paulie did a lot of interviews.

01:38:29.000 He was on the East Coast working a show.

01:38:31.000 So when he came back, he was coming back to have a fight.

01:38:35.000 And actually, it was a weird night in the gym because the Fertitta brothers came in, Dana came in, there was a few celebrities came in.

01:38:41.000 It was a fight, you know, and the referee was there, Joe Cortez, a great guy, and he did 12 hard rounds, and I think there is something being released on Netflix soon, a documentary based around that fight, and it will have all the rounds, so I guess...

01:38:57.000 Really?

01:38:58.000 Yeah, I mean, of course we have the rounds, we have the 12 rounds, and as far as I'm aware, I just actually did an interview recently there, I think it's a three-part documentary that's going to be on Netflix soon, and so people will get to make up their own minds about it, but...

01:39:11.000 Just going back to the fight.

01:39:12.000 What did you think, though, about the sparring?

01:39:15.000 When they walked out first, and I went to myself, I've no idea what's going to happen.

01:39:20.000 I'd seen him box some amateurs back home and some pros. 0.92

01:39:23.000 I'm horrendously ignorant to the boxing world.

01:39:26.000 I just don't really follow it.

01:39:27.000 And he was schooling those guys, and I was like, yeah, but they're not a world champion.

01:39:32.000 They're not that elite level.

01:39:33.000 So that night when he went into the ring with Paul, I was like...

01:39:37.000 Me and Owen are kind of like, what's going to happen here?

01:39:39.000 Is he just going to get tooled and then we have to scratch our heads and go, what are we going to do here?

01:39:46.000 But he came back after the rounds and me and Owen were going, wait a second.

01:39:49.000 It's not magic.

01:39:50.000 It's still punching and it's range and there's techniques.

01:39:55.000 So my confidence was growing.

01:39:57.000 My confidence was growing.

01:39:58.000 I knew no matter what happened, it was going to be a good fight. 0.90

01:40:02.000 It wasn't going to be, you know, you could win and just, oh my god, this looks terrible, he's missing whatever he shot, and he's being made look silly.

01:40:10.000 It was a good fight, you know, it was entertaining. 0.93

01:40:13.000 I think no one in the crowd was saying that was ridiculous.

01:40:15.000 No one was saying that was a waste of money.

01:40:17.000 It was an entertaining fight, and it's going to be one of those things that I'll be an older man than I am now, and I'll be talking about the time we...

01:40:24.000 We went into the boxing world and fought Floyd.

01:40:27.000 Even on the night, I was kind of just looking, scratching me, what am I doing here?

01:40:31.000 That's Floyd Mayweather and his dad over there.

01:40:34.000 These are guys that, you know, of all the boxers, I always preferred watching Floyd than anyone else because I love defence.

01:40:40.000 Defence to me is the most intriguing part.

01:40:42.000 And him and Tony and those type of guys and how he worked at Philly Shell.

01:40:47.000 It's beautiful.

01:40:49.000 It's so interesting to watch.

01:40:50.000 And he's getting on a bit.

01:40:53.000 But still able to compete so fantastic because his whole career was defensive base.

01:40:57.000 Never really took the shots, never was damaged in the gym, never was damaged in fights.

01:41:01.000 But yeah, when he was in the ring, working in the corner, in air corner, I'm just going, what the hell is Conor doing fighting fly now?

01:41:09.000 This is just strange.

01:41:10.000 Even at the beginning, you know, I'm so used to Bruce Buffer and it was a different guy and he hit the bell three times.

01:41:15.000 I was like, oh yeah, they do that in the Rocky movies.

01:41:17.000 I remember that.

01:41:18.000 Ding, ding, ding, ladies and gentlemen.

01:41:20.000 It's kind of the beginning of the ceremonial. 0.99

01:41:22.000 And I was like, oh shit, they're actually going to box. 0.96

01:41:25.000 Right until the end of it, it was still just head scratching and then Floyd coming over at the end and giving his little compliment, you know, he's got a hell of a shot on him, he's tough as nails. 0.98

01:41:34.000 It was a great experience.

01:41:36.000 I wouldn't do anything different.

01:41:37.000 If the Paulie Malignaggi sparring session, which you said was like a fight, if it was scored as a fight, you think Conor would have won the fight?

01:41:45.000 Yeah, of course I'm going to say yes, and people will say, well, no.

01:41:49.000 Everybody who was there in the night had, you know, asked Dana.

01:41:51.000 Actually, Dana knows a lot more about boxing than me, than I do.

01:41:55.000 And all of those guys were going, okay, we have a fight in our hands here.

01:41:58.000 This is going to be an interesting contest.

01:42:01.000 So, yeah, I'm of course going to say yeah, but I guess people will see their hands and make up their own mind.

01:42:06.000 But it wasn't as one-sided as those clips that were released?

01:42:09.000 Of course, Paulie.

01:42:11.000 He landed his shots as well, of course.

01:42:13.000 He's a brilliant boxer.

01:42:15.000 For me, as a trainer, it was amazing looking at him.

01:42:18.000 He's put on a little bit of weight, and you still have to go 12 rounds because after about round four, he's not going to continue here.

01:42:25.000 He's breathing very heavy, and he's been hit hard, and he's been sat down once.

01:42:29.000 Whether that was a push or a punch, you guys can make up your own mind on that.

01:42:32.000 But a lot of heavy shots, and I was thinking, he's going to be over here by six.

01:42:35.000 So we had another sparring partner ready.

01:42:38.000 And I was like, okay, just be ready to go because I think this will go about six rounds.

01:42:41.000 And then Pauly just hit this rhythm and started landing his own shots.

01:42:44.000 And it turned out to be a great contest.

01:42:46.000 I'd say contest because it wasn't a spar.

01:42:48.000 They were talking the whole time.

01:42:49.000 Pauly was talking to me.

01:42:50.000 He was talking to the cameraman.

01:42:52.000 He was almost better than Conor.

01:42:54.000 It was great to watch.

01:42:56.000 Everybody had a great night.

01:42:57.000 And I think they both actually bizarrely enjoyed it.

01:43:00.000 It was like kind of Conor and Nate.

01:43:01.000 It's...

01:43:01.000 Batman and the Joker, like, you know, they both need each other.

01:43:04.000 They hate each other, but they love each other.

01:43:06.000 It's a weird dynamic when you see a contest like that.

01:43:08.000 Well, Pauly was campaigning for a fight.

01:43:10.000 Yeah.

01:43:11.000 He was trying to get Conor to box him.

01:43:14.000 Yeah.

01:43:16.000 It's not out of the realms of possibilities.

01:43:18.000 Really?

01:43:18.000 It's absolutely not out of the realms of possibilities.

01:43:21.000 There's all sorts of crazy rumors going around the managing team and the fight team and what might happen next.

01:43:26.000 It could be boxing.

01:43:27.000 It could be him.

01:43:29.000 It could be Floyd.

01:43:30.000 Floyd again.

01:43:31.000 All sorts of names are being thrown around.

01:43:33.000 Well, one thing that happened in the fight that was undeniable is that Conor started to fade.

01:43:37.000 And we've talked about this, the endurance issue.

01:43:40.000 What do you think is that issue?

01:43:43.000 Well, certainly in that fight you could see and what I learned about it was just brilliant to watch Floyd, how he managed his energy.

01:43:54.000 I think he threw one punch in round one and maybe not much more in round two.

01:43:57.000 It was just such an amazing strategy and then switching from the usual style to kind of just hands up and walking in and Conor did unload a lot on his forearms.

01:44:10.000 Very inefficient, which is the opposite of what I would describe Conor's fighting style.

01:44:14.000 He's efficient.

01:44:15.000 Very few shots, maximum return.

01:44:17.000 This was lots of punches, and it was one of the few bits of advice I gave him in the corner that was of any use, because I'm not a boxing guy, was, let's pick our shot.

01:44:25.000 There's a reason why he's not throwing anything.

01:44:27.000 You don't throw anything.

01:44:28.000 This is 12 rounds.

01:44:29.000 It's almost like there's three parts to a fight.

01:44:31.000 There's one to four, there's five to eight, and then there's nine to twelve.

01:44:35.000 And Floyd just worked that beautifully.

01:44:37.000 And it'd be something that we would definitely do a lot more if we were to ever get another boxing fight.

01:44:42.000 It was recognized that there's 12 rounds.

01:44:44.000 Pace yourself.

01:44:45.000 He was kind of in the MMA mode of just big shots and light the guy up.

01:44:49.000 But Floyd's the best in the world at not being lit up.

01:44:52.000 Do you think it's a pacing issue and not an endurance issue?

01:44:55.000 Or do you think it's both?

01:45:00.000 Specifically for the boxing, yeah, there was pacing and endurance in a new field.

01:45:06.000 No clinch work at all.

01:45:07.000 We had a few little kind of funny clinch techniques we were going to try out.

01:45:10.000 What was the hammer fist to the back of the head?

01:45:14.000 Well, he was aiming for the side of the head.

01:45:16.000 We'd play it around with little stretches of the rules and we'd see what Joe Cortez would pull us up on.

01:45:22.000 Could we do a little, you know, I'm a Lomachenko fan as well, and he comes from wrestling and you see him doing kind of what almost looked like arm drags and tie-ups and stuff.

01:45:30.000 So we were trying to use that and we just got broke every time.

01:45:33.000 We had very little opportunity to kind of, you know, even going towards the back and holding the hip and hitting with one hand.

01:45:37.000 I couldn't find anything in the written rules that were against that, but we were pulled on it straight away.

01:45:43.000 Some of the areas where we thought we'd be able to rest and maybe make Floyd use energy that he's unused to, clinch, we didn't get that.

01:45:50.000 It was immediate breaks.

01:45:52.000 That's the sport of boxing.

01:45:54.000 That's just how it is.

01:45:55.000 So yeah, there would have to be all those type of adjustments.

01:45:59.000 One of the more fascinating rumors was that there was going to be some sort of a striking match in the octagon with MMA gloves.

01:46:09.000 That's being talked about.

01:46:10.000 That was being talked about.

01:46:11.000 Is being talked about.

01:46:12.000 It is.

01:46:13.000 That's been going around as well. 1.00

01:46:14.000 Because I talked to Dane about that and he said it was horse shit. 1.00

01:46:16.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

01:46:17.000 Well, I don't deal with Dane.

01:46:19.000 But you were talking.

01:46:20.000 I'd heard about this.

01:46:21.000 I'd heard about this.

01:46:21.000 Who was talking to you about it?

01:46:23.000 You know, speaking with Conor and speaking with Manga, they talk about, like, you can only throw leg kicks.

01:46:28.000 Whoa, Jesus.

01:46:29.000 That would be the end.

01:46:30.000 Yeah.

01:46:31.000 That's all it would take.

01:46:32.000 Sorry, Floyd.

01:46:33.000 I hate to say that.

01:46:34.000 The side-on stance, you know what it's like if you get a leg kick in that way.

01:46:38.000 You must face straight on so you can check leg kicks. 0.99

01:46:41.000 If they allowed leg kicks, and only leg kicks, no head kicks, Conor would fuck him up. 0.99

01:46:48.000 100%. 1.00

01:46:48.000 Quickly. 1.00

01:46:49.000 100%.

01:46:50.000 I think it would be the first kick.

01:46:51.000 No one even understands.

01:46:52.000 It'd be the first leg kick. 0.83

01:46:53.000 Now, I will say right away that Conor absolutely doesn't want to do that.

01:46:58.000 He wants to fight UFC rules or boxing rules.

01:47:01.000 He's zero interest in a hybrid fight.

01:47:05.000 Just that alone.

01:47:06.000 A hybrid fight, just leg kicks alone. 0.99

01:47:09.000 He would fuck Floyd Mayweather up. 1.00

01:47:11.000 Doesn't he want to fuck Floyd Mayweather up? 1.00

01:47:14.000 He does, but within one of the two rule sets. 0.99

01:47:17.000 Oh my god, just leg kicks.

01:47:19.000 Just let him throw leg kicks. 0.89

01:47:20.000 Just a few. 0.99

01:47:22.000 I mean, it doesn't matter what fucking stance Floyd stands in either. 0.99

01:47:25.000 Inside leg kicks, outside leg kicks, just one of those, it would be like... 0.98

01:47:29.000 We have a lot of, you know, Ireland is...

01:47:32.000 We have very good boxing history and very good athletes.

01:47:35.000 And we get the odd time and a good boxer will come down for a spar. 0.76

01:47:39.000 And these guys can take shots all day long and one leg kick and they run.

01:47:44.000 It's such a pain that they've never felt before.

01:47:47.000 Like you said, it changes everything very, very quickly.

01:47:51.000 It would change Floyd's entire game.

01:47:52.000 He has no idea.

01:47:54.000 Do you remember when Cool Vince Phillips fought Masato in Japan? 0.99

01:47:58.000 When Vince Phillips was at the top of his game, when he was a real elite boxer, he was just starting to slide, and he went over and fought Masato in K-1, and Masato just fucked his legs up. 0.99

01:48:12.000 Just fucked those legs up. 1.00

01:48:14.000 It was horrifying to watch. 0.99

01:48:16.000 The only one that I remember that went over there and actually...

01:48:22.000 Shannon Cannon.

01:48:23.000 Shannon the Cannon.

01:48:24.000 Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson.

01:48:28.000 And Tom Erickson cracked him with a couple of leg kicks.

01:48:30.000 And Shannon actually talked about it on the podcast.

01:48:33.000 He's like, champ, he hit me with a couple of those leg kicks.

01:48:35.000 I was ready to quit, champ.

01:48:36.000 He's like, it hurts so bad.

01:48:38.000 He goes, but I'm pretending.

01:48:40.000 He goes, I'm pretending it ain't nothing.

01:48:41.000 He goes, I'm an agony champ.

01:48:43.000 It's just a different pain.

01:48:45.000 It's just a stomach.

01:48:46.000 You can get whacked in the head all day long, and most fighters won't even recognize that, but the right body shot, you hit that liver, or the right leg kick, and there's just no gritting through it.

01:48:56.000 It's stunning.

01:48:57.000 For people that have never been kicked before, it's stunning to watch.

01:49:00.000 They're like, what?

01:49:01.000 This happens all the time?

01:49:03.000 And if you watch a K-1 match or a Glory match or Muay Thai, it's just crazy how often they get kicked and they just learn how to absorb it.

01:49:13.000 They learn how to check it and eat it.

01:49:16.000 It takes time.

01:49:20.000 But that would be, if you could somehow or another talk Conor and Floyd into a boxing match with leg kicks, did Floyd actually say that that would be something he would consider?

01:49:30.000 I don't know.

01:49:30.000 It was just one of those, like, while I'm talking to Conor, he regularly throws stuff at me down.

01:49:35.000 I'm like, what the hell are you talking about?

01:49:37.000 I'm always having weird conversations.

01:49:38.000 And this was just one of them where it came up that...

01:49:40.000 There's a possibility of this, and they were talking about hybrid rules, but he shot it down straight away.

01:49:45.000 You'll fight him, obviously, MMA rules would be ideal.

01:49:49.000 I think Floyd, he's a very intelligent guy.

01:49:53.000 He's not going to do that.

01:49:54.000 I don't even think he would do the leg kick.

01:49:58.000 I don't think so either.

01:49:59.000 I think he flirts with a lot of this stuff and I'll come over to your world. 0.83

01:50:03.000 But he's no fool.

01:50:05.000 He's a super smart guy. 1.00

01:50:06.000 I just can't imagine that he would spar with one guy and eat one of those kicks and he would just be like, oh, fuck this. 1.00

01:50:12.000 No, thank you. 1.00

01:50:12.000 Yeah, fuck all that. 1.00

01:50:14.000 It changes the way you're allowed to stand. 1.00

01:50:16.000 Yes.

01:50:16.000 I mean, he would have to be very light on his front leg.

01:50:18.000 He'd have to learn how to condition his shins. 0.55

01:50:21.000 I mean, it's like the whole thing would be different.

01:50:24.000 But they have talked about some sort of a rematch in boxing.

01:50:28.000 Like I said, it's just one of those things that's thrown out there and you hear a movie roll and you hear this and this and that.

01:50:35.000 You know, Conor has the world at his feet.

01:50:37.000 There's so many people who want to pull him in so many different ways.

01:50:41.000 But he seems to have avoided some of the more obvious Hollywood type traps.

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:46.000 You know, because like Ronda Rousey got sucked into all of them, right?

01:50:49.000 She was doing everything.

01:50:50.000 She was on all these TV shows and movies.

01:50:52.000 And I remember before she lost to Holly Holm thinking, God, she's getting stretched thin.

01:50:56.000 Like, this can't be good.

01:50:58.000 This can't be good.

01:50:59.000 You know, I was worried about Amanda Nunes.

01:51:01.000 Amanda Nunes was the one that I thought had Ronda's number. 1.00

01:51:04.000 I'm like, that girl punches so fucking hard. 1.00

01:51:06.000 And she's an elite ground specialist. 0.99

01:51:09.000 Mm-hmm.

01:51:09.000 It wouldn't be a picnic on the ground and Rhonda takes girls to the ground and submits them.

01:51:14.000 But I was like, but you've got to get through the fire that's Amanda Nunes' hands. 0.94

01:51:18.000 And I remember seeing her in all these other things and these television shows and these movie deals and I was like, those things will rob you.

01:51:26.000 They rob you.

01:51:27.000 They give you something.

01:51:29.000 They give you some money.

01:51:30.000 They give you some fame.

01:51:31.000 You walk that red carpet.

01:51:32.000 You look wonderful.

01:51:33.000 Smile, Rhonda.

01:51:35.000 Look over here.

01:51:35.000 Smile, Conor.

01:51:37.000 But they steal things from you.

01:51:39.000 They steal your ability to actually fight.

01:51:42.000 They steal your ability to have all of your resources.

01:51:45.000 And Conor's done an amazing job of avoiding that.

01:51:47.000 For the most part.

01:51:48.000 I mean, there's proper 12 whiskey coming out, and photo shoots had to be done.

01:51:54.000 But no movies.

01:51:56.000 No, no. 0.99

01:51:56.000 The movies are the ones that really fucking rob you. 0.99

01:51:59.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.96

01:52:00.000 He actually had a small part in a movie when he was just starting off, 18, 19. It's a little Irish movie.

01:52:05.000 It's funny he's seeing his little head in it.

01:52:10.000 He played a prisoner.

01:52:15.000 Because he's obsessed with fighting, he loves fighting.

01:52:20.000 You could see in the lead up to this, he didn't want to do much media and press.

01:52:25.000 They came to an agreement.

01:52:27.000 It won't be done.

01:52:27.000 He'd rather do none of it and have no build-up.

01:52:30.000 Conor's ideal world, I think, would be the fight in every UFC every Saturday night.

01:52:35.000 That would be his ideal.

01:52:35.000 Just live near the UFC and fight Saturday night and then have a fun night Sunday and then get ready for the next fight.

01:52:42.000 He loves fighting.

01:52:44.000 Like, what else is he doing?

01:52:45.000 I'd scratch my head about this.

01:52:47.000 If I had that money, I think I couldn't engage with it.

01:52:49.000 No, thank you.

01:52:51.000 I'm good!

01:52:51.000 And he wants to get right back in.

01:52:53.000 Or fight Floyd.

01:52:56.000 Definitely the Habib one. 1.00

01:52:57.000 That's the fire.

01:52:59.000 If you had to guess what's next, what would you think?

01:53:04.000 I won't pretend to understand the business side of things.

01:53:07.000 Him and Audi and Paradigm, they do all of that.

01:53:10.000 The fans and the officials decide who gets the next shot.

01:53:15.000 I only deal with what's going to be put in front of me.

01:53:19.000 I think it will be a rematch.

01:53:21.000 I think it will be that.

01:53:24.000 I'll be getting torn apart.

01:53:27.000 I'm only saying what I think.

01:53:30.000 Is it going to be someone else?

01:53:32.000 I don't really know.

01:53:33.000 But that's what I see him talking about.

01:53:35.000 So that's how my mind is.

01:53:37.000 What do you think will be different in terms of the way he approaches it in terms of trash talking and all that other stuff?

01:53:43.000 He's never going to not be him.

01:53:45.000 That's the side of his personality.

01:53:48.000 It's a dividing line.

01:53:51.000 My parents are not mad about it, but the kids in my gym love it.

01:53:54.000 It's just one of those things.

01:53:57.000 Conor's never not going to do that.

01:54:00.000 In Dublin, where he's from, there was always that guy in the class that was just sharp wit, had the quick reply.

01:54:08.000 And from the moment I met him, he was just that guy that's like...

01:54:10.000 You can't make a tiny mistake around him. 0.99

01:54:12.000 You make you feel stupid very quick, you know, being on the end of it. 0.98

01:54:18.000 But I remember that guy in school as well, and it just happens that he has a lethal left hand on top of that. 0.99

01:54:24.000 And then he has the look, and he's just an unusual package that it all came together.

01:54:30.000 I don't, you know, the build-up for Diaz too.

01:54:32.000 He didn't stop.

01:54:33.000 It wasn't like he was going to go, oh, I hope I don't lose this time.

01:54:36.000 He went in with the same kind of mindset he had and I've no doubt he would go into that fight as fully prepared as we can and he'd be 100% sure in his mind he's going to destroy him in a round because that's how he always thinks.

01:54:48.000 If there's another fight that would sell and it would be huge, it would be that.

01:54:52.000 It would be Diaz 3. Oh, yeah.

01:54:54.000 That could be, especially if Diaz gets past Poirier.

01:54:57.000 Yes. 0.99

01:54:58.000 And he, shit, even if he doesn't. 1.00

01:55:00.000 I mean, just that fight alone. 0.99

01:55:02.000 I mean, there's the history between those two guys.

01:55:04.000 I mean, that would be...

01:55:06.000 And it's so appealing stylistically as well, the fight.

01:55:10.000 I'm a grappler at heart.

01:55:11.000 I love grappling.

01:55:12.000 But I also understand that a jiu-jitsu tournament will put people to sleep.

01:55:16.000 Even if you're into jiu-jitsu, it's hard to watch a jiu-jitsu tournament.

01:55:19.000 But anybody can see a punch hitting someone in the head and then falling down.

01:55:24.000 That's exciting.

01:55:25.000 And him and Diaz, it's such a great personality matchup.

01:55:28.000 It's such a great skill clash.

01:55:31.000 You know, if I was to design somebody that's going to bring the best ever corner, he'd want someone that, you know, can hit back and take a big shot and put up at the trash.

01:55:39.000 It's a beautiful fight.

01:55:40.000 I would love to see that rematch. 0.98

01:55:43.000 Yeah, the thing about Diaz when they first fought was that he didn't give a fuck about trash talk. 0.96

01:55:50.000 It didn't bother him at all. 0.98

01:55:51.000 It was normal.

01:55:52.000 It was like, oh, okay, we're doing this.

01:55:55.000 It was amazing.

01:55:57.000 It was what everybody wanted to see at the time. 0.99

01:56:00.000 Because Connor was so good at talking shit and people would get so flustered. 1.00

01:56:04.000 But then Diaz didn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:56:06.000 And you could tell he didn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:56:07.000 It was just so normal for him. 0.99

01:56:09.000 And it was like, wow, trash talk doesn't work on Diaz.

01:56:12.000 It really doesn't work.

01:56:13.000 Yeah, I'd known about some of his training partners and he's like Conor. 0.92

01:56:18.000 In the gym, he's trash talking to his brother. 0.92

01:56:20.000 He's trash talking to whoever he's sparring because it's fun. 0.91

01:56:24.000 It's always just when we have Conor having a big spar, the gym will be packed.

01:56:29.000 Everybody wants to come down and see him sparring.

01:56:32.000 He's talking to the guy the whole way through, whether it's a close friend like Artem or whether it's someone we brought in that he doesn't know.

01:56:37.000 It's not going to change him.

01:56:39.000 I'll be, I certainly don't sparring, but I'll roll with myself and even trash talk me when I'm trying to do my shoes. 0.99

01:56:44.000 Shut up! 1.00

01:56:46.000 But it's, you know, it's just, it's his personality. 0.99

01:56:50.000 So, what timeline do you think we're looking at in terms of his return?

01:56:55.000 If you had a guess.

01:56:58.000 It was funny.

01:56:58.000 I was looking at March 16th.

01:57:02.000 Paddy's Day is March 17th.

01:57:04.000 That's a Sunday.

01:57:05.000 March 16th is a Saturday.

01:57:06.000 Imagine MSG on the Saturday night before Paddy's Day.

01:57:11.000 That would be insane.

01:57:13.000 I wonder if it's not booked.

01:57:14.000 Yeah, I was actually gonna go on.

01:57:16.000 MSG's booked pretty far in advance.

01:57:18.000 I'd imagine so, I'd imagine so.

01:57:19.000 And they're doing one in November to do two at MSG in a year.

01:57:23.000 I think you could do Conor in there every weekend.

01:57:25.000 You could.

01:57:26.000 You could also do the Boston Garden.

01:57:27.000 Just him and Diaz every weekend, and it's going to be packed out.

01:57:30.000 You could do the TD Garden in Boston, too.

01:57:32.000 Yeah, yeah, we've had good times there. 1.00

01:57:34.000 Ah, fucking Irish in Boston. 1.00

01:57:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:57:36.000 More Irish in Boston than there is in Ireland. 1.00

01:57:38.000 And you could do, of course, Vegas anytime.

01:57:41.000 Yeah, Vegas anytime.

01:57:42.000 Just, I saw that date, but, you know, like you said, just the big summer card as well.

01:57:47.000 You have Fight Week to July card.

01:57:50.000 Yeah.

01:57:51.000 Yeah, I think probably next summer is probably realistic.

01:57:55.000 We have to obviously see what punishment Habib gets.

01:57:59.000 I hope it's not a long ban.

01:58:01.000 Yeah, I do too.

01:58:02.000 Everybody was so amped up after the fact.

01:58:05.000 I was like, oh man, this could be terrible.

01:58:08.000 But Monday morning, I'm like, eh... 0.99

01:58:12.000 What the fuck happened, really? 0.99

01:58:13.000 Nobody died. 0.99

01:58:14.000 Nobody even got cut.

01:58:15.000 A couple people got punched in a place where people get punched.

01:58:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:20.000 I have the other hat in that.

01:58:23.000 I have a big commercial gym.

01:58:25.000 I coach kids.

01:58:27.000 I'm president of the Amateur MMA Association back home.

01:58:30.000 I deal with politicians all the time.

01:58:32.000 And this is the exact thing that they're arguing with me when I'm wearing a suit on a Wednesday meeting with the Minister for Sport.

01:58:39.000 So I'm looking at it going, great, that's what's going to be brought up at my next meeting when I'm trying to get governing body status for my life's work, my art, my sport.

01:58:48.000 And I'm trying to tell plus 60-year-olds that this is legitimate and they're showing me this and you're...

01:58:54.000 For that, it was terrible.

01:58:57.000 There's no other way around it.

01:58:58.000 Like I said, if Habib had done that isolated, I didn't think it was that big a deal.

01:59:03.000 I didn't think it was that big a deal.

01:59:04.000 He didn't really hit Dylan with a bit of pushing and pulling.

01:59:07.000 Who cares?

01:59:09.000 Your man coming up and hitting, it was absolutely dangerous.

01:59:12.000 He's a trained fighter, he's bare knuckles, and he's hitting a guy who's tired, who's done hard rounds, who's taken some headshots, and he went for the illegal shot.

01:59:22.000 There's a reason why you're not allowed to hit the stem of the brain there.

01:59:27.000 There has to be something, there has to be ramifications for that.

01:59:30.000 It can't be just like, ah, they're hitting each other.

01:59:32.000 You can't allow that to happen again.

01:59:33.000 No.

01:59:34.000 An example has to be made so that other people in the height of it go, wait a second, it's not just a slap on the wrist.

01:59:42.000 Something substantial happens if you do something criminal.

01:59:46.000 It's assault.

01:59:47.000 Yeah, it literally is.

01:59:48.000 And I really worry about him in terms of him having a visa and being able to obtain a visa and fight in America again.

01:59:55.000 And I believe he was supposed to be fighting next month.

01:59:58.000 Did we find out who that guy was?

02:00:00.000 You did, right?

02:00:02.000 His name starts with a Z. One of them was the guy that Artem was going to fight in three weeks' time.

02:00:07.000 Who is it?

02:00:10.000 Okay, let me read it.

02:00:12.000 Yeah, that's the guy.

02:00:14.000 That's the guy.

02:00:15.000 And he was actually bragging about it on social media.

02:00:18.000 Yeah.

02:00:18.000 How do you say it?

02:00:21.000 Zuberia Tokugou.

02:00:24.000 It's a lot of consonants.

02:00:26.000 And Islam Makachev faced UFC acts as Conor McGregor ring attackers revealed.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, Zubaria, I don't know how to say his name, I'm sorry.

02:00:34.000 I think he's the one that was wearing red that jumped the cage and punched Conor bare knuckle.

02:00:39.000 Islam Makachev, he's the one that hopped over the ring.

02:00:42.000 That happened right in front of me.

02:00:44.000 I didn't think that was him in the red.

02:00:45.000 I thought that was him in the black, that him and Conor had a little exchange, and then the other guy hit him from behind, but I could be wrong.

02:00:52.000 I'm sure we're getting a million texts in there to correct us.

02:00:55.000 Not sure, yeah.

02:00:58.000 Either way, that can't happen again.

02:01:00.000 Bad stuff.

02:01:01.000 You know, I hope it all gets worked out.

02:01:05.000 Well, thank you, gentlemen.

02:01:06.000 Thanks.

02:01:06.000 Thanks for being here.

02:01:07.000 George, thank you for illuminating the very elusive art of weight cutting.

02:01:11.000 It was an excellent conversation.

02:01:13.000 You're all dipped out now, huh?

02:01:16.000 Increases your cognitive ability by about 200%.

02:01:19.000 Does it?

02:01:20.000 Dip increases your cognitive ability by 200%. 1.00

02:01:23.000 Why are all those truck drivers so stupid? 1.00

02:01:27.000 Truck drivers listen right now. 1.00

02:01:28.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:01:29.000 Just a joke, folks. 1.00

02:01:31.000 Just a joke.

02:01:31.000 That's what I do.

02:01:32.000 You talk about my people.

02:01:33.000 That's my people.

02:01:34.000 Let's say 80% of stats are made up on the spot.

02:01:37.000 That's what I do. 0.99

02:01:37.000 I'm all about making shit up. 0.99

02:01:39.000 And thank you, John. 0.90

02:01:40.000 Really appreciate you coming in here.

02:01:42.000 Thanks for having us on.

02:01:42.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:01:43.000 And hopefully we'll do it again under brighter times.

02:01:47.000 It's just sport.

02:01:48.000 It is a sport.

02:01:48.000 It's just sport.

02:01:49.000 You've got a great attitude, man.

02:01:50.000 I really appreciate that.

02:01:51.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 28, 2010

JRE MMA Show #44 with John Kavanagh & George Lockhart

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