George Lockhart and John Cavanagh give their thoughts on the UFC 246 loss to Khabib Nurcayilov, and give their reactions to the post-fight press conference. They also talk about the importance of diet and sleep, and how important it is to get the most out of your training and recovery in order to have the best possible chance of winning a fight. They also give their predictions for the future of the UFC in the light heavyweight division, and what it means for the UFC s future in the Middleweight division, as well as give their overall thoughts on UFC 246 and the upcoming UFC 246 main event with Conor McGregor. They finish off the episode with a quick Q&A segment on McGregor's training and preparation for the fight, and a look ahead to UFC 246, which is coming up on UFC Fight Night on Nov. 30th. Subscribe to our new podcast, The Ultimate Fighter After Show, where we break down all things UFC 246! Subscribe and comment on the latest UFC news, UFC predictions, and much more! Subscribe now using our podcast s hashtag and leave us a five star review on Apple Podcasts! and we'll read out your comments and thoughts in the comments section. Send us your thoughts on our next episode! Thanks for listening and your thoughts and reactions! Timestamps: 0:00 - What did you think of UFC 246? 5:30 - What was your favourite part of the fight? 6:15 - How did you feel the most important part? 7:40 - What do you think about the fight night? 8: What was the best part of Conor's training day? 9: What would you miss the most? 11:10 - What are you looking forward to next? 13:00 15:00 Thoughts on the biggest challenge? 16:00 -- What are your biggest takeaway from UFC 246 & 13:30 -- What's your thoughts? 17:40 -- Did you have a better moment? 18:10 -- How do you want to see Conor's next fight next week? 19:15 -- Is there a better chance of a better one? 21:00 | Did you think Conor s next fight coming in the next round? 22:00 & 15:10 27:30 26:15 25:40 28:30 | What's a better place for Conor s training camp?
00:01:25.000I mean, it's a staple of wrestlers overhand right and close, but he doesn't generally do that.
00:01:30.000He's more jabbing than close, but that was a great shot.
00:01:34.000The style of takedowns, everything was kind of what we expected, and we spent a lot of time in preparing for that.
00:01:44.000I kind of expected Round 1 for sure going to get a takedown.
00:01:51.000The goal of Round 1 was to get out of it, but still having energy.
00:01:55.000We didn't want to put a huge amount of effort into trying to get back up in Round 1. It's seen that happen many times in his other opponents.
00:02:02.000They kind of got back to the stool really tired.
00:02:05.000Round one, make them pay, you know, do our best on the way in, fight as hard as we can, but if we do end up down, which is against defence, figured it would be there.
00:02:39.000He got some good shots there and obviously he landed the great right hand.
00:02:43.000So that was a bit more than we hoped for.
00:02:46.000Round three, things started kind of turning a little bit in our favor, and we did a lot better at keeping it in the middle, defending the takedowns.
00:02:54.000So the plan was to slow him down a little and watch him slow down a little bit in the third, fourth, and fifth?
00:04:39.000It was when we actually started the cut.
00:04:43.000You know, we wanted to make sure that his weight was a little higher than, you know, obviously with the boxing, with Floyd, you know, speed is everything.
00:04:50.000And we wanted to kind of slowly drop that weight down.
00:04:54.000But with this, we wanted to keep him as big as possible and then, you know, cut all that weight so he can...
00:05:39.000Every time I see him, I'm like, you know, you make me work for my money.
00:05:45.000Well, it seems like it's probably not the healthiest thing in the world for him to do either.
00:05:50.000No, I mean, I'll never be like, you know, weight cutting is the healthiest thing in the world.
00:05:55.000But I will say that because of the amount of muscle mass, people look at somebody like him and they're like, wow, he doesn't have a lot to lose.
00:06:01.000And he doesn't have a lot to lose, but he's got a lot to cut.
00:06:46.000I was better at cutting the weight than I was actually at fighting.
00:06:51.000Learning through this process, okay, this works like this and this works like this.
00:06:56.000I mean, there's so many studies that are out there.
00:07:00.000You look at the NSEA, you look at PubMed and all these other things.
00:07:06.000You see a study over here and you see a study over here and you're like, okay, we're going to put these two together and actually see in terms of actual weight cutting.
00:09:33.000I've kind of been in certain situations in the military.
00:09:38.000Brian Stan was actually a part of that and then they actually started something called the Combat Conditioning Program and I was actually the guy that they actually I had to teach all that.
00:11:24.000Most diets nowadays, they actually, you know, they kind of stick to one aspect, like Atkins diet, you know, it sticks to types of foods, you know, like zone diet is portion size.
00:11:37.000We actually stick to all of them, you know, like type, timing, portion size, hormone response food, because, you know, If you look at all diets, they all work.
00:13:00.000So, throughout the day, you know, if they're aerobic throughout the day, we give them, you know, fruits, vegetables, omega-6, omega-3s, and then once they start working out, then, you know, depending on the workout, then we start giving them, like, more starches and stuff like that.
00:13:14.000So, basically, just sort of a light breakfast of fruits and things along those lines to get everything moving.
00:13:26.000We've got the metabolic equivalent, right?
00:13:29.000So basically the MET is the amount of oxygen your body uses and that's going to determine basically the amount of calories that your body is...
00:13:37.000So let's say a strength and conditioning workout, what if they're going to do weights and sprints and things along those lines?
00:13:45.000Everything is actually like a formula.
00:13:48.000Everything is broken down mathematically.
00:13:51.000So we'll take their MET and we'll go on a scale of 1 to 10. And we multiply that by the actual amount of weight that that individual has, like a kilogram.
00:14:01.000So we'll say their intensity is a 10. Let's say they have a hard workout.
00:14:06.000Intensity of 10, we multiply that by the amount of kilograms that that individual has.
00:14:11.000I believe, and then look at the formula.
00:14:15.000Basically divide that by 200 and multiply that by the duration of the actual workout.
00:14:20.000And that will give us the amount of actual calories that that individual is actually using for that workout.
00:14:25.000So every workout is going to be different.
00:15:01.000We find out, okay, this is the amount of calories that this individual burns during this period of time, and then we actually break it down even more.
00:15:06.000Because if you jog and you burn a thousand calories, right, and if you lift and burn a thousand calories, well, it's the same amount of calories, but you have to refuel the body differently because if you jog, your body's using a lot more fat.
00:15:19.000If you're lifting, your body's using a lot more carbohydrates.
00:15:23.000Again, it goes to giving the body what it needs when it needs it.
00:15:26.000So we'll look at him like, okay, well, if it's a level 10, and then we'll literally, and we have the formulas for it, so a 10 would be 80-20.
00:15:35.000So you find out the amount of calories this individual is burning.
00:15:53.000You know, people think that, like, well, you know, if I need carbohydrates, my body's just going to ingest them and it doesn't work like that.
00:16:01.000Your body can process about one gram of carbohydrate per minute, right?
00:16:05.000But if you are able to actually access more...
00:16:10.000Use more than one transporter at a time.
00:16:15.000You can actually go to about 2.3 grams per minute.
00:16:20.000And you have GLUT1, GLUT2, GLUT3, GLUT4, and you got S-GLUT1, S-GLUT2. Each one of these has a different thing that actually activates them, right?
00:16:30.000Like an S-Glut2 is a sodium-dependent transporter, right?
00:16:34.000If you use a sodium-dependent transporter, Glut4 is an insulin-dependent transporter.
00:16:41.000Glut1 is, I believe, I'm sorry, Glut5 is a fructose.
00:16:48.000So if you use more than one of these transporters at a time, you activate these transporters, you're able to actually synthesize carbohydrates.
00:17:51.000Now, the funny thing is, when you incorporate caffeine, it's been shown that caffeine post-workout, you'll see four times the amount of glycogen in the muscle post-workout if you take the caffeine.
00:18:16.000Yeah, it's an anhydrous, like a stronger type.
00:18:21.000Sometimes I'll see, like, okay, if he's obviously going to bed later, it'll be more of a green tea type caffeine.
00:18:27.000But, yeah, I mean, the funny thing is, like, it's shown that caffeine post-workout, four times the amount of carbohydrates are in the muscle, right?
00:20:37.000Nowadays, everybody's like, oh, organic, earth-grown nutrients, you've got to have this, you've got to have this.
00:20:42.000And then when it comes to cutting weight, it's like, Now let's jam a needle into their freaking body and let's shove 9,000 milligrams of sodium chloride in their freaking veins.
00:25:17.000But in terms of even the way people train...
00:25:22.000I mean, there's not a consensus on what's the correct way to do it.
00:25:27.000And then when it comes to nutrition, there's not a consensus.
00:25:30.000And then there's the rehydration and dehydration factor that doesn't exist in any other sport other than boxing.
00:25:36.000And I think it's more extreme in MMA than it is even in boxing, for the most part, right?
00:25:42.000It's such a crazy thing that you've got these super high-level athletes that are dealing with gym bros I mean, there's a lot of, like, real high-level athletes, and I've talked to their trainers, and I'm like, what did you just say?
00:25:57.000This guy's a fucking world-class fighter, and he's got some schmo from fucking Gold's Gym.
00:26:03.000No offense, Gold's Gym, but you know what I mean.
00:26:05.000Some fucking guy's got a tub of shit with him, and he's like, gotta take three of these and four of those, because I read about it in Weider.
00:28:09.000There's a little something going on there.
00:28:12.000A few south of the border supplements.
00:28:16.000But the point is that even the best of the best, world-class fighters, they don't necessarily have a background in nutrition or kinesiology or exercise physiology.
00:28:29.000They don't necessarily know exactly the right way to approach things.
00:28:34.000I mean, shit, for years, fighters wouldn't even drink water in between rounds.
00:28:50.000I tell you, our goal is by the end of next year, we're going to work with every single fighter in the UFC. We have over 200 fighters in the UFC right now.
00:29:30.000I have people fucking be like, oh, we don't want to cut carbs out because it takes a specific amount of time to rehydrate carbs.
00:29:38.000They're thinking it takes like four fucking days.
00:29:40.000But when you actually do it properly, This is all scientific shit.
00:29:45.000Like, it literally takes 24 hours to rehydrate somebody's fucking glycogen storage.
00:29:49.000If you fucking take their water, right?
00:29:51.000So every gram of glycogen holds on to three grams of water, right?
00:29:54.000And we can literally find out, based on the amount of muscle tissue that an individual holds, exactly how much glycogen their body holds and how much water that is attached to that glycogen.
00:34:41.000This is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game is that I feel like fighting in particular is so dangerous, it's so personal, it's so...
00:34:54.000There's so much involved that I feel like loyalty should be at a premium, and it should be one of the most emphasized things.
00:35:02.000As long as you have a good team, your team is critical.
00:35:11.000For the emotional stability of the fighter, but also for not feeling like you're a piece of shit.
00:35:16.000And I think there's something to that.
00:35:18.000These guys that just dump their trainers and dump their coaches and then hop from camp to camp and don't get a better result from it.
00:35:27.000I think there's part of them that realizes like, hey man, this guy brought you to the dance.
00:35:32.000And you abandoned them somewhere along the way because you saw greener grass on the other side of the fence and it didn't turn out to be greener.
00:38:42.000So, you know, we give the body what it needs, you know, when it needs it, you know, and it's funny because we never have a base diet, you know, like if somebody is basically, they don't have an anaerobic Workout throughout the day.
00:39:39.000I've had some conversations on the podcast recently about that.
00:39:43.000The most civil one was between Lane Bryant and Dominic D'Agostino where they were talking about ketogenic diets versus carbohydrate diets and BioLane.
00:40:20.000It's a very interesting conversation because Lane really never was on a ketogenic diet for a long period of time, whereas Dom emphasizes that when you get fat adapted over longer periods of time, four to six months, Your body, there's some legitimate benefits with cognitive function and even performance benefits as time goes on.
00:40:41.000But certainly, in terms of your energy level, your ability to perform without...
00:42:17.000People follow this program, bro, and they're like, holy shit, I'm never hungry, I have energy, this, because you're giving the body what it needs, what it needs.
00:42:36.000Honestly, they can have whatever they want at the right fucking time.
00:42:41.000If you look at the metabolic equivalent, for somebody like yourself, let's say you go on and you fucking bust a fucking workout out, you can burn 800 calories.
00:42:49.000You know you can burn 800 calories in a workout, no problem, right?
00:42:52.000So if you're burning 800 calories and you're anaerobic and your body's primary source of fuel is going to be carbohydrates, let's just take all the formulas and all the math out of it for a sec, but let's say 800 calories.
00:43:03.000There's four calories for every one gram of carbohydrates.
00:43:06.000For you to fucking replenish what you need, you'd need 200 grams of carbohydrates just to replenish what you just did for a workout.
00:43:13.000How many motherfuckers do you know take 200 grams of carbohydrates post-workout?
00:44:04.000So say if I did a hard workout I lose 7 pounds.
00:44:08.000What if I beat the shit out of the bag, fucking run around the block, do hill sprints and come back 5 pounds lighter or whatever, just give me a number.
00:44:18.000Okay, so basically with sweat, I'm negating a lot of fucking other math, but every pound is basically 500 milligrams of sodium.
00:44:27.000Every pound that you lose for salt, you lose about 500 milligrams of sodium.
00:44:30.000So if you lost seven pounds, you would need basically 3,500 milligrams of sodium to fucking replenish what the fuck you did.
00:48:33.000You guys literally just did a goddamn study and you're showing that most of the goddamn population is lactose and tyrant, but you're saying that the milk is the best goddamn thing to fucking give?
00:49:05.000Like literally, your body goes through gluconeogenesis, it'll turn protein into fucking carbohydrates, but that ain't the way it's supposed to fucking be.
00:49:13.000Right, so you would never recommend someone doing that carnivore diet?
00:49:24.000Because depending on your lifestyle, if you're sedentary and you don't do anything that's anaerobic, I would promote the ketogenic diet for somebody.
00:49:37.000That's the thing about that carnivore diet.
00:49:39.000Rhonda Patrick went over it pretty much in detail and she thinks what's going on for the most part where people are seeing results is basically calorie restriction.
00:49:46.000Because you're just not eating that many calories.
00:50:58.000And eating is a big part of trying to heat up because your body starts generating heat to try to break down the food that you're taking in.
00:51:32.000No, actually, with your enteric nervous system, if you see a fucking bear, the body's like, hmm, are we going to break down food or are we going to run from the fucking bear?
00:51:39.000The body's like, we're going to fucking run.
00:51:41.000So it sends an epinephrine through the body.
00:51:45.000But that doesn't mean that shit's not stealing your fucking gut.
00:51:48.000But with that being said, in terms of the meat and shit like that, yeah, man, a large percentage of that is actually used to break down foods.
00:52:30.000Because glucagon is fucking through your system.
00:52:32.000Obviously, it's not the way the body works, but in essence, when you're taking specific things at specific times, you're going to promote the usage of carbohydrates more or less.
00:52:44.000So those pancakes wouldn't be a bad thing after a workout?
01:00:31.000You know, you look at that Kelvin Gastelum, you know?
01:00:34.000People don't realize, like, the point of a fight camp is not to make weight.
01:00:38.000The point of a fight camp is to increase your skill, increase your ability.
01:00:42.000Like, it should be periodization, you know what I'm saying?
01:00:44.000We're talking about, like, the big beef, you know, big motherfuckers that are like, yeah, you're like, this guy's the strength and conditioning coach.
01:00:51.000He don't know shit about periodization.
01:01:33.000And I'm like, dude, if a motherfucker is whooping ass at 145 and 155, when they were talking, and he was a champion at 155, I'm like, why the fuck am I going to try and cut this guy?
01:01:45.000If he's a champion, you know what I mean?
01:01:48.000Because he could be the champ, champ, champ.
01:03:17.000When you're with a fighter for a camp, you get super close, and I'm like, bro, it's fine to get close with him, but it's okay to root for him, but we never get to a point where we root and we talk shit about the other fucking team, because chances are we work with him.
01:03:29.000And we worked with Khabib, you know what I mean, for a long time, you know what I mean?
01:04:04.000What you don't realize is you got your renal, you know, angiotension aldosterone system that's fucking going to be activated if you fucking cut back water early.
01:07:16.000There are these different things going on in his life.
01:07:19.000That's the benefit, I think, of working with someone for a long period of time rather than gym hopping.
01:07:26.000You'll know what they can and can't do.
01:07:29.000And he does a lot of unconventional training, right, in terms of physical conditioning.
01:07:34.000Is he still doing all that stuff with Ido Portal?
01:07:37.000Yeah, anytime Ido's in Europe, he tends to drop into Ireland.
01:07:41.000We have a great relationship with him, and he'll play around with that.
01:07:44.000You know, the reality is most of our time is going to be spent on the fundamentals of MMA. And the great thing with Ido is, especially in training camp, he'll come in near the end where you're just tired of doing single leg defenses.
01:08:03.000He's firing his brain in different ways.
01:08:05.000He's working on coordination, on balance.
01:08:08.000For me, as the head trainer, it's like, it's a nice break.
01:08:13.000I'm sure there's John Wayne Power I heard say that, you know, when you have a fight coming up, you know how many miles you're going to run, you know how many kicks you're going to throw.
01:08:20.000Every now and again, you want to come in and want to do some Ong back, jumping in the air, spinning elbows and stuff, because it breaks the monotony.
01:09:10.000If there's one thing I could change is that I think I was too defensive in my mindset for this training camp.
01:09:16.000But Habiba's very specific types of takedowns, depending on where he is, whether it's shooting on the low single in the middle, and then on the fence.
01:09:25.000Long before Conor was due to fight him, I loved watching him.
01:09:29.000I just love, right from the Randy Couture days, how to use defence and Habib does it to a new level.
01:09:37.000You know, one of the takedowns he hit on Conor, he hadn't actually done it until the Aliquinta fight, so it was nice that we kind of got to see that, the high crotch.
01:09:44.000I see a bit of DC in that, the high crotch and then Tripp on the far leg.
01:09:48.000I think he blocked it once, but he did catch him with it.
01:09:50.000So, you know, it was very specific takedowns.
01:09:53.000Definitely for this training camp, it was the most specific that we went.
01:09:57.000And then I remember about a week out or whenever it was, he did an interview and he said, well, if he doesn't make it, I'll fight Tony.
01:11:45.000And we tried to mimic it as close as we could in the gym and I brought in guys that he didn't know and I would say this is fight day and he would do with George exactly what he's going to do on fight day and we'd have a referee to get the fight feel.
01:12:01.000Is he at a position now where every fight has to be a gigantic super fight and is that a problem in that you know what I thought after the fight after it was all over I was like you know what a good fight would be would be him versus Pettis like that would be a really good fight and it would be a really interesting fight in terms of stylistic matchup and it would be a great fight I think for Conor to sort of Just get a wild three-round,
01:12:28.000or I guess it would probably be a main event, it would be five rounds, but it would be a wild fight that would probably favor him.
01:12:34.000Yeah, I mean, the boxing, you know, when Tyson Fury was kind of coming back, they gave him a, you know, not the toughest guy in the world.
01:12:41.000That shit doesn't happen in MMA. But it doesn't happen in MMA. Well, it doesn't happen in the UFC. Specifically the UFC. Yeah, and there's an issue with that, I think.
01:13:05.000But the wild fights that he could have at 155 pounds, whether it's James Vick or Justin Gagey or Pettis, there's good fights for him that aren't necessarily Khabib, they aren't necessarily Tony Ferguson, but they're a good fight to get that timing back, get everything locked in.
01:13:24.000100%, but you have to factor in his personality.
01:13:27.000And he's only fighting now for fights that are really interesting to him.
01:13:31.000He's not that interesting to anybody else.
01:16:12.000I mean, it had to have some sort of an effect on his ability to land those shots.
01:16:16.000Yeah, I'm sure that did and that was part of the strategy for one and two.
01:16:20.000If we did end up on our backs was not to put a massive amount of effort into getting up, just play guard and stay safe because the next round starts on defeat and try to do damage there.
01:16:42.000I mean, I was super impressed with Al Iaquinta in that fight, especially considering he came into that fight looking for a three-round fight.
01:16:50.000I mean, that was what he was trained for.
01:16:52.000He was trained for a three-round fight, and it changes up, and all of a sudden he's in a five-round fight for the title.
01:17:08.000How much is too much in regard to training for a fight like this?
01:17:12.000Maybe training for a three-round fight is the way to go when you have to fight a five-round fight.
01:17:17.000So you're not so fucking beat up by the time you get to the fight.
01:17:21.000If you already know how to fight five rounds, you've already done it.
01:17:24.000If you're a guy like Conor who's just got so much experience in the game, it might be that...
01:17:29.000It's like there's a point of diminishing returns in terms of your strength and conditioning, and that guys just go too far, push too hard, and just don't have it.
01:17:40.000How many times have you seen a fighter be overtrained when they fight?
01:18:36.000We were all working very hard for this fight in a somewhat limited period of time.
01:18:41.000So we didn't taper off quite the way we would normally do, but roughly two weeks.
01:18:45.000If you wanted to do a rematch, and if the UFC did grant a rematch, then this is...
01:18:51.000Obviously dependent upon how the Nevada State Athletic Commission handles the legal ramifications of him jumping out of the cage, attacking Dylan Dennis, the subsequent brawl, the chaos that ensued, visas.
01:19:04.000I mean, you're dealing with a lot of legal shit in this fight that could hold things up.
01:19:09.000I mean, they held both guys' purses, correct?
01:24:29.000I've Gunnar Nelson, who you never hear a blip out of.
01:24:32.000And then I have Conor, who's the other end of the scale.
01:24:36.000You can only be true to yourself, but I look at their followings and their sponsorship deals and their fight purses and stuff, and it's obvious which one is doing better.
01:24:46.000If we can agree on the object of prize fighting is to make money and that's it, The object of martial arts, I think, is very different, but the object of prize fighting, and don't ever lose sight of that, as soon as I hear a fighter saying it's for some other reason, I'll try to make him retire as quick as possible because he's not being smart.
01:25:02.000You're taking damage for money, and keep that in mind, no matter what your choices are.
01:25:09.000Do you have guys in the gym that you see that sort of mimic Conor?
01:25:21.000It's a hugely impressionable period of your life.
01:25:26.000Young men almost try out different personalities.
01:25:31.000And if you're such a strong personality in the gym, definitely.
01:25:35.000I can spot the 18-year-old walking in with the man bun and the suit telling me he's going to be the next year.
01:25:41.000I probably would have been the same at 18. It's no different.
01:25:44.000But through, again, months and years of conversations, not telling them what to do, but conversations, I sort of say, this is a completely natural thing to do, but start to find your own voice and find your own way.
01:25:55.000If that's who you are, you enjoy that side of it, run with it.
01:25:58.000If it's not who you are, even the fans will see it through very quick as well.
01:26:02.000The fans can see when someone is genuinely doing something and doing it as an act.
01:26:08.000Now who did you guys bring in for wrestling for this camp?
01:26:11.000You know, Sergei is wrestling coach since day one.
01:26:16.000We're not big into like, oh, if we bring this guy in and there's six weeks to go, we're going to learn.
01:26:47.000Who would you bring in in terms of like wrestling?
01:26:50.000So when you're dealing with somebody for this long, you also know there's personalities, you know, and it's one of the reasons why George worked so well.
01:26:59.000He kind of fit it into how the team's structured.
01:27:03.000So you might bring in someone who's, and I get so many great offers from guys with really good credentials, but what is the use of that if him and Conor are going to clash?
01:27:14.000No matter which athlete I'm dealing with.
01:27:17.000So actually, to me, even almost more important than anything is that they can connect and that they have a good working relationship.
01:27:26.000Now, let me state very clearly as well.
01:27:29.000Sergei is a fantastic wrestling coach.
01:27:32.000He comes from generations of wrestling in Moldova.
01:27:35.000He's got the real slick kind of Russian style of wrestling.
01:27:37.000You know, it's not just about kind of power doubles.
01:28:30.000And like I said, I... Is there some secret technique that...
01:28:37.000I remember watching an interview with Dan Henderson and he was saying when he started doing jiu-jitsu tournaments, he found it so strange that they wouldn't warm up with each other or that they were afraid to see his deep half guard move.
01:28:48.000Because in wrestling, I know what you're going to do.
01:29:17.000We should have dug the underhook there and went into jiu-jitsu mode and started passing.
01:29:20.000But instead he withdrew and Khabib did a great job.
01:29:23.000He followed him back up in the single and then got a finish.
01:29:25.000So I don't think it's necessarily about trying to bring in a four-time gold medalist and make a big wrestling program that doesn't quite fit in what we do.
01:29:36.000Do you think, though, that it would help him to bring in high-level wrestlers to have intense sparring sessions with him so he could feel that kind of pressure that could be put on him?
01:29:46.000Because the level of grappling that that guy brings to the octagon, it's very difficult to match.
01:30:38.000So you feel like there's enough room for improvement that if you could go back to the drawing board and give yourself a few months, that you could get him to a point where he could have more success?
01:32:10.000It's what makes the sport so interesting.
01:32:12.000Yeah, we made the comparison between Kevin Randleman when he fought Mirko Krokop, that Krokop was so worried about the takedown, Randleman comes with a big punch and knocks him out.
01:32:21.000Yeah, it was a similar set of circumstances.
01:33:33.000You know, that's only at a certain period of the training camp, and it's only going to be, for us, it's once every four, once every eight days, just kind of depending on how the spar went and how the body is.
01:33:45.000The more of that we can do, the better, because the more directly...
01:33:48.000It correlates to what we're actually going to do.
01:33:51.000But then you've got to be matched against, well, if he was a Jim Moore type guy, I'd have to pull back his sparring because he's taken too many shots.
01:33:57.000Conor could go training camp without being hit.
01:34:00.000He's so elusive in the case, so good at judging range and so on.
01:35:36.000Like for a Mayweather fight, you would think six weeks or six months or something along those lines.
01:35:41.000But I would feel like for Floyd, as great as he is and probably the best ever in terms of boxing technique and not being hit, I mean, he's so elusive, still really wouldn't want a guy like Conor preparing for a long period of time and really getting acclimated.
01:36:00.000It was kind of funny how that all came about because when he fought Eddie in November, the year before, I remember shortly after that we were at a function and I kind of pulled him aside and I shook his hand and said, right, you're done.
01:38:21.000You know, when he came back, he did a spar, he went away.
01:38:25.000It all broke because a picture got leaked and then Paulie did a lot of interviews.
01:38:29.000He was on the East Coast working a show.
01:38:31.000So when he came back, he was coming back to have a fight.
01:38:35.000And actually, it was a weird night in the gym because the Fertitta brothers came in, Dana came in, there was a few celebrities came in.
01:38:41.000It was a fight, you know, and the referee was there, Joe Cortez, a great guy, and he did 12 hard rounds, and I think there is something being released on Netflix soon, a documentary based around that fight, and it will have all the rounds, so I guess...
01:38:58.000Yeah, I mean, of course we have the rounds, we have the 12 rounds, and as far as I'm aware, I just actually did an interview recently there, I think it's a three-part documentary that's going to be on Netflix soon, and so people will get to make up their own minds about it, but...
01:39:58.000I knew no matter what happened, it was going to be a good fight.
01:40:02.000It wasn't going to be, you know, you could win and just, oh my god, this looks terrible, he's missing whatever he shot, and he's being made look silly.
01:40:10.000It was a good fight, you know, it was entertaining.
01:40:13.000I think no one in the crowd was saying that was ridiculous.
01:40:15.000No one was saying that was a waste of money.
01:40:17.000It was an entertaining fight, and it's going to be one of those things that I'll be an older man than I am now, and I'll be talking about the time we...
01:40:24.000We went into the boxing world and fought Floyd.
01:40:27.000Even on the night, I was kind of just looking, scratching me, what am I doing here?
01:40:31.000That's Floyd Mayweather and his dad over there.
01:40:34.000These are guys that, you know, of all the boxers, I always preferred watching Floyd than anyone else because I love defence.
01:40:40.000Defence to me is the most intriguing part.
01:40:42.000And him and Tony and those type of guys and how he worked at Philly Shell.
01:41:18.000Ding, ding, ding, ladies and gentlemen.
01:41:20.000It's kind of the beginning of the ceremonial.
01:41:22.000And I was like, oh shit, they're actually going to box.
01:41:25.000Right until the end of it, it was still just head scratching and then Floyd coming over at the end and giving his little compliment, you know, he's got a hell of a shot on him, he's tough as nails.
01:41:37.000If the Paulie Malignaggi sparring session, which you said was like a fight, if it was scored as a fight, you think Conor would have won the fight?
01:41:45.000Yeah, of course I'm going to say yes, and people will say, well, no.
01:41:49.000Everybody who was there in the night had, you know, asked Dana.
01:41:51.000Actually, Dana knows a lot more about boxing than me, than I do.
01:41:55.000And all of those guys were going, okay, we have a fight in our hands here.
01:41:58.000This is going to be an interesting contest.
01:42:01.000So, yeah, I'm of course going to say yeah, but I guess people will see their hands and make up their own mind.
01:42:06.000But it wasn't as one-sided as those clips that were released?
01:43:43.000Well, certainly in that fight you could see and what I learned about it was just brilliant to watch Floyd, how he managed his energy.
01:43:54.000I think he threw one punch in round one and maybe not much more in round two.
01:43:57.000It was just such an amazing strategy and then switching from the usual style to kind of just hands up and walking in and Conor did unload a lot on his forearms.
01:44:10.000Very inefficient, which is the opposite of what I would describe Conor's fighting style.
01:44:17.000This was lots of punches, and it was one of the few bits of advice I gave him in the corner that was of any use, because I'm not a boxing guy, was, let's pick our shot.
01:44:25.000There's a reason why he's not throwing anything.
01:45:07.000We had a few little kind of funny clinch techniques we were going to try out.
01:45:10.000What was the hammer fist to the back of the head?
01:45:14.000Well, he was aiming for the side of the head.
01:45:16.000We'd play it around with little stretches of the rules and we'd see what Joe Cortez would pull us up on.
01:45:22.000Could we do a little, you know, I'm a Lomachenko fan as well, and he comes from wrestling and you see him doing kind of what almost looked like arm drags and tie-ups and stuff.
01:45:30.000So we were trying to use that and we just got broke every time.
01:45:33.000We had very little opportunity to kind of, you know, even going towards the back and holding the hip and hitting with one hand.
01:45:37.000I couldn't find anything in the written rules that were against that, but we were pulled on it straight away.
01:45:43.000Some of the areas where we thought we'd be able to rest and maybe make Floyd use energy that he's unused to, clinch, we didn't get that.
01:47:54.000Do you remember when Cool Vince Phillips fought Masato in Japan?
01:47:58.000When Vince Phillips was at the top of his game, when he was a real elite boxer, he was just starting to slide, and he went over and fought Masato in K-1, and Masato just fucked his legs up.
01:48:46.000You can get whacked in the head all day long, and most fighters won't even recognize that, but the right body shot, you hit that liver, or the right leg kick, and there's just no gritting through it.
01:49:03.000And if you watch a K-1 match or a Glory match or Muay Thai, it's just crazy how often they get kicked and they just learn how to absorb it.
01:49:13.000They learn how to check it and eat it.
01:49:20.000But that would be, if you could somehow or another talk Conor and Floyd into a boxing match with leg kicks, did Floyd actually say that that would be something he would consider?
01:51:09.000It wouldn't be a picnic on the ground and Rhonda takes girls to the ground and submits them.
01:51:14.000But I was like, but you've got to get through the fire that's Amanda Nunes' hands.
01:51:18.000And I remember seeing her in all these other things and these television shows and these movie deals and I was like, those things will rob you.
01:54:33.000It wasn't like he was going to go, oh, I hope I don't lose this time.
01:54:36.000He went in with the same kind of mindset he had and I've no doubt he would go into that fight as fully prepared as we can and he'd be 100% sure in his mind he's going to destroy him in a round because that's how he always thinks.
01:54:48.000If there's another fight that would sell and it would be huge, it would be that.
01:55:31.000You know, if I was to design somebody that's going to bring the best ever corner, he'd want someone that, you know, can hit back and take a big shot and put up at the trash.
01:56:13.000Yeah, I'd known about some of his training partners and he's like Conor.
01:56:18.000In the gym, he's trash talking to his brother.
01:56:20.000He's trash talking to whoever he's sparring because it's fun.
01:56:24.000It's always just when we have Conor having a big spar, the gym will be packed.
01:56:29.000Everybody wants to come down and see him sparring.
01:56:32.000He's talking to the guy the whole way through, whether it's a close friend like Artem or whether it's someone we brought in that he doesn't know.
01:58:32.000And this is the exact thing that they're arguing with me when I'm wearing a suit on a Wednesday meeting with the Minister for Sport.
01:58:39.000So I'm looking at it going, great, that's what's going to be brought up at my next meeting when I'm trying to get governing body status for my life's work, my art, my sport.
01:58:48.000And I'm trying to tell plus 60-year-olds that this is legitimate and they're showing me this and you're...
01:59:09.000Your man coming up and hitting, it was absolutely dangerous.
01:59:12.000He's a trained fighter, he's bare knuckles, and he's hitting a guy who's tired, who's done hard rounds, who's taken some headshots, and he went for the illegal shot.
01:59:22.000There's a reason why you're not allowed to hit the stem of the brain there.
01:59:27.000There has to be something, there has to be ramifications for that.
01:59:30.000It can't be just like, ah, they're hitting each other.
02:00:44.000I didn't think that was him in the red.
02:00:45.000I thought that was him in the black, that him and Conor had a little exchange, and then the other guy hit him from behind, but I could be wrong.
02:00:52.000I'm sure we're getting a million texts in there to correct us.