The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #54 with Din Thomas

00:00:00.000 Four, three, two, one.

00:00:04.000 Dude, I didn't even get a picture of you.

00:00:05.000 I gotta get a picture.

00:00:05.000 Would you go with the blowtorch or the samurai sword in front of the flag?

00:00:09.000 What do you think?

00:00:10.000 I don't know.

00:00:11.000 What does everybody else do?

00:00:12.000 Mix it up.

00:00:13.000 Some folks go blowtorch.

00:00:15.000 It's that Elon Musk blowtorch.

00:00:17.000 I'm going Elon Musk.

00:00:18.000 That's a good move.

00:00:19.000 I like that.

00:00:20.000 You know, I want to be like Elon Musk.

00:00:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:00:24.000 I don't want to be that smart.

00:00:25.000 Why not?

00:00:26.000 I think that's bad for you.

00:00:28.000 When I was talking to him, there was a moment where I said, what's it like being you?

00:00:33.000 And he's like, it's not easy.

00:00:36.000 He was talking about the thoughts that are bouncing around in his head.

00:00:40.000 I think his head is like a runaway train.

00:00:43.000 His brain is just constantly going.

00:00:45.000 Well, yeah, I mean, but to be that smart, man, you can come up with anything.

00:00:48.000 You can make anything to make things work for you in life.

00:00:51.000 Well, that is true, I guess.

00:00:54.000 I guess.

00:00:55.000 I don't know, man.

00:00:56.000 I want a little peace and quiet.

00:00:58.000 I like being kind of dumb.

00:01:00.000 Do you really?

00:01:01.000 Because ignorance is bliss.

00:01:02.000 You can just kick back and relax.

00:01:05.000 Sometimes, you know?

00:01:07.000 Sometimes I just like to come home, put the headphones on, just lay back on the couch and listen to music.

00:01:11.000 Just listen to some music.

00:01:13.000 I don't want to think about having to fix the environment.

00:01:16.000 Yeah.

00:01:16.000 I mean, I see that, too.

00:01:17.000 I mean, I'm the same way.

00:01:18.000 I'm an introvert, so don't get me twisted.

00:01:21.000 Are you really?

00:01:21.000 Yeah.

00:01:22.000 Really?

00:01:22.000 Yeah.

00:01:23.000 I would have never thought that.

00:01:24.000 Really?

00:01:24.000 Yeah.

00:01:24.000 Yeah, no, I can play the role, though.

00:01:26.000 I can play the role.

00:01:27.000 I mean, that's all a part of life.

00:01:29.000 Well, I think you're both, because you're really good at being friendly, and you're a fun guy.

00:01:36.000 You have extrovert qualities.

00:01:38.000 Yeah.

00:01:39.000 Well, you need those to survive in life.

00:01:41.000 But is that what it is?

00:01:41.000 Like, you prefer to be introverted?

00:01:43.000 Yeah, I prefer to be introverted.

00:01:45.000 I love my alone, quiet time.

00:01:48.000 I just sit back and chill.

00:01:49.000 But you seem to love being out and being around people, too.

00:01:53.000 Yeah, I love that too.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, you love that too.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, I know.

00:01:55.000 It's kind of weird.

00:01:56.000 But it's good.

00:01:56.000 That's a balance.

00:01:57.000 Yeah.

00:01:58.000 That's a healthy thing.

00:01:58.000 Well, because, you know, in order to survive in life, you have to be out there.

00:02:03.000 Right.

00:02:04.000 Because you ain't going to make money sitting at home listening to music.

00:02:07.000 That's true.

00:02:07.000 So you got to get out there.

00:02:08.000 Right.

00:02:08.000 And showcase.

00:02:10.000 Yeah, but you enjoy it, though.

00:02:12.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I want to enjoy everything I do.

00:02:14.000 Well, you're really good on Dana White's Looking for a Fight.

00:02:17.000 Oh, you think so?

00:02:17.000 You're very good at that.

00:02:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:18.000 I didn't know if anybody even watched that.

00:02:20.000 I watch it.

00:02:20.000 Do you really?

00:02:21.000 Yeah, you're fun on it.

00:02:22.000 You're fun on it.

00:02:23.000 Yeah, we have fun.

00:02:23.000 Yeah.

00:02:24.000 It looks like it's a good time.

00:02:25.000 Yeah.

00:02:26.000 Silly.

00:02:27.000 Nah, yeah, well, you know, me and Matt, we have a good time.

00:02:30.000 I love Matt.

00:02:30.000 Dana, too, but, like, you know, me and Matt really have a good time.

00:02:33.000 Yeah, Matt's hilarious.

00:02:34.000 Him and Ray Longo should have their own reality show.

00:02:36.000 I know.

00:02:37.000 100%.

00:02:37.000 Everybody was saying that for a year, like...

00:02:40.000 Matt and Ray are like the best duo ever.

00:02:42.000 When they're in the corner, there absolutely should be one camera that's on them all the time.

00:02:47.000 All the time, right?

00:02:47.000 I know Fight Pass has that, right?

00:02:49.000 They have the option to go to the corners.

00:02:52.000 You can listen to the corners.

00:02:53.000 Do you?

00:02:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:54.000 Fight Pass has some pretty cool audio options.

00:02:58.000 But with Ray Longo and Matt Serra, that's a plus.

00:03:01.000 Oh, I know.

00:03:02.000 I know.

00:03:03.000 I love hanging out with them.

00:03:04.000 They're so fun.

00:03:05.000 They're so Long Islanders.

00:03:06.000 Yeah, I know.

00:03:08.000 I mean, the epitome of Long Island.

00:03:10.000 I'm going to go up there next week and hang out with them, actually.

00:03:12.000 Yeah, I'm going to find time.

00:03:14.000 Because I'm going up for Brooklyn, so I'm going to find time.

00:03:16.000 Oh, that's right.

00:03:19.000 Who do you have on that card?

00:03:20.000 Greg Hardy.

00:03:21.000 Oh, interesting.

00:03:22.000 Yeah.

00:03:23.000 Okay, cool.

00:03:25.000 I'm always nervous when I say that.

00:03:27.000 I know.

00:03:28.000 Yeah, because everybody's already cast judgment on him.

00:03:31.000 For people who don't know the story, explain the story.

00:03:34.000 He was an NFL player.

00:03:36.000 Yeah, he was a very high profile player.

00:03:38.000 Yeah.

00:03:39.000 High-profile NFL player.

00:03:40.000 And something happened, domestic violence?

00:03:43.000 Yeah, he had allegedly beaten up this girl and did some horrific things to her.

00:03:52.000 But somehow, he never was convicted of it, and the case was thrown out.

00:03:58.000 Does he talk about it?

00:03:59.000 No, no.

00:03:59.000 And that's the thing is that we don't talk about it because I'm sure that's something he wants to forget about in his life.

00:04:05.000 So I'm not going to be the one to bring it up to him.

00:04:07.000 And I just know the experiences I've had with him have all been positive.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, it's hard, right?

00:04:13.000 You're not a girl and you're not alone with him.

00:04:15.000 You don't know what happened.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:04:17.000 I wasn't there and I don't know how he is around with his girls.

00:04:23.000 But I just know how he is with us and how he is with me.

00:04:27.000 It's fucking hard, right?

00:04:28.000 And it's also hard because you don't know what really happened.

00:04:31.000 Yeah.

00:04:32.000 Maybe something happened.

00:04:33.000 Maybe nothing happened.

00:04:34.000 Maybe a lot happened.

00:04:35.000 Maybe it's exaggerated.

00:04:37.000 Maybe it wasn't exaggerated at all.

00:04:38.000 Maybe it lost its fucking mind.

00:04:40.000 Yeah.

00:04:41.000 Maybe it's just...

00:04:42.000 You know, the other thing is, this is something that people don't like to discuss, but...

00:04:47.000 Fucking TBI, man.

00:04:48.000 Traumatic brain injury causes people to do terrible things.

00:04:51.000 That's just a fact.

00:04:52.000 Oh, I know.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:04:54.000 They don't even know why they're doing it.

00:04:55.000 They do wild, violent, impulsive shit.

00:04:59.000 I mean, we see it with fighters.

00:04:59.000 We see it with football players.

00:05:02.000 I don't know what's worse for you, but I feel like football's worse.

00:05:07.000 Oh, man, them guys head-to-head all day long.

00:05:11.000 It's way worse.

00:05:12.000 Way worse.

00:05:13.000 Even boxing is worse than MMA. I think football's worse, too, because of the kind of impacts when dudes are running each other.

00:05:20.000 Full speed.

00:05:22.000 Super athletes.

00:05:23.000 You know, 250-pound men.

00:05:25.000 Fuck it.

00:05:28.000 Sprinting.

00:05:29.000 Boom!

00:05:30.000 Some of those collisions, you watch me, your whole body aches just looking at it.

00:05:34.000 And they have to do that.

00:05:37.000 That's what the whole thing is predicated on.

00:05:40.000 MMA, for me, I'm always like, listen, if you get hit twice, you need to grab.

00:05:44.000 Yeah.

00:05:46.000 And it's just a fist swinging.

00:05:48.000 Not a whole body.

00:05:50.000 Like you said, 250 pounds.

00:05:52.000 Yeah, even the hardest kick.

00:05:55.000 I guess if you get, like, neck kicked, if somebody roundhouse kicks you in the neck, I mean, that's probably as bad as anything in life.

00:06:00.000 Yeah, that's as bad as...

00:06:02.000 Or like wheel kick.

00:06:03.000 Like when Edson Barboza wheel kicks people.

00:06:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:07.000 When he did Terry Edom.

00:06:08.000 Jesus Christ.

00:06:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:09.000 Wheel kicks because that's like full rotation of your body weight into that one kick onto your neck.

00:06:15.000 Yeah, that's pretty bad.

00:06:16.000 Dude, his fight with Dan Hooker.

00:06:18.000 Holy shit.

00:06:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:19.000 First of all, holy shit is Hooker tough.

00:06:21.000 Because that guy tried to keep going, but his body was just...

00:06:24.000 His organs must have just been annihilated.

00:06:28.000 Yeah, because...

00:06:29.000 Barbosa don't play.

00:06:30.000 No!

00:06:31.000 He trained with us now, too.

00:06:32.000 Does he?

00:06:32.000 Yeah, he trained the top team now.

00:06:34.000 Oh, that's right.

00:06:34.000 He went to Florida, right?

00:06:35.000 Yeah, he came and moved to Florida.

00:06:36.000 Why did he decide to move to Florida?

00:06:37.000 His Muay Thai coach was in Florida?

00:06:39.000 Yeah, well...

00:06:41.000 Because he was with Mark Henry, right?

00:06:42.000 Yeah, he was with Mark Henry.

00:06:43.000 But his Muay Thai coach is the guy who taught him everything from a kid.

00:06:48.000 And I know we reached out to his Muay Thai coach to come down and work with our team.

00:06:54.000 Because I think he was in Brazil or whatever.

00:06:55.000 So he came with our team.

00:06:57.000 And then Edson just followed him.

00:06:58.000 Wow.

00:06:59.000 Yeah, that bond.

00:07:00.000 Yeah.

00:07:01.000 Well, I'm telling you, man.

00:07:02.000 He looks fucking good.

00:07:03.000 I know.

00:07:04.000 I mean, he's an amazing athlete.

00:07:06.000 He's so fast.

00:07:07.000 His switch kick is probably the fastest I've ever seen.

00:07:10.000 I don't think I've ever seen anybody throw a switch kick that fast.

00:07:13.000 I remember watching a switch kick and I was like, it's like someone took a frame out of it.

00:07:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:17.000 Like a Bruce Lee move.

00:07:20.000 And not only that, but he's got a pretty high level of intelligence in terms of fighting.

00:07:26.000 He makes that stuff work.

00:07:28.000 And I look at this, because I've worked with Mark Dicasse.

00:07:33.000 And physically, I mean, just God-given abilities.

00:07:37.000 But he just doesn't have the intelligence to make all that shit work.

00:07:42.000 He's screaming at the TV right now, you motherfucker!

00:07:44.000 I know, I know.

00:07:44.000 And I say that when...

00:07:48.000 And I say that with all due respect, because he's my man.

00:07:50.000 Isn't he a young guy, though?

00:07:51.000 Isn't he a young guy?

00:07:51.000 Who, Mark?

00:07:52.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 I mean, early to mid-twenties.

00:07:54.000 Yeah, maybe just trying to figure it out.

00:07:56.000 Yeah, and that's what it is.

00:07:57.000 He's trying to figure it out, and it kind of pushed him a little fast, so he didn't have a lot of time to make all that shit work.

00:08:02.000 Because Edson's had some ups and downs.

00:08:04.000 The cowboy fight was a big down.

00:08:06.000 I mean, he's had the Khabib fight.

00:08:09.000 It was a big down.

00:08:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:11.000 That was a terrifying fight.

00:08:13.000 That was when you realize how goddamn good Khabib is.

00:08:16.000 Oh, I know.

00:08:16.000 Yeah, that's the fight that put Khabib on the map, really, for everybody to say, man, who's going to beat this guy?

00:08:22.000 What he did to him, who's going to beat this guy?

00:08:25.000 Yeah, but that's...

00:08:26.000 What I've always said is that if you had to pick one...

00:08:30.000 What's the most important thing that you're good at?

00:08:31.000 What's the most important thing?

00:08:32.000 It seems to me to be wrestling.

00:08:34.000 Because the wrestlers, if you get a real high-level wrestler, they just dictate what happens.

00:08:40.000 They dictate where the fight takes place.

00:08:42.000 I don't think there is...

00:08:42.000 I mean, you have to know how to strike.

00:08:44.000 You have to know the other things as well.

00:08:46.000 But I feel like if you have a pyramid of shit that's important, I feel like at the bottom is wrestling.

00:08:53.000 And that motherfucker wrestles better than anybody in that division.

00:08:56.000 Yeah, I mean, but see, I disagree, kind of.

00:08:59.000 Okay.

00:08:59.000 And here's why.

00:09:02.000 Because when we talk about wrestling, I don't think it's necessarily the techniques of wrestling.

00:09:06.000 I think it's just the way they're brought up.

00:09:08.000 They're brought up different.

00:09:10.000 In Dagestan.

00:09:11.000 Not only Dagestan.

00:09:12.000 They're definitely brought up differently, but like any wrestler is just brought up different.

00:09:16.000 Oh, toughness.

00:09:16.000 A different level of toughness, a different level of competitiveness.

00:09:20.000 So like when you go to jiu-jitsu school, the first thing you learn how to do is bow to the mat and kiss the instructor's ass.

00:09:25.000 That's it.

00:09:27.000 You know, you bow to the mat and you're learning self-defense and you're learning respect.

00:09:30.000 And wrestling, it's not about that.

00:09:31.000 Right.

00:09:32.000 It's about dominating.

00:09:33.000 It's about winning and dominating.

00:09:36.000 So they have years of experience of doing that, like just that mindset.

00:09:40.000 It's also about being uncomfortable all the time.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:42.000 And it's like, yeah, they're just, the room is always rough.

00:09:45.000 It's always tough.

00:09:45.000 Like, you go to a jiu-jitsu school, it's a bunch of dudes smoking pot lamb back.

00:09:50.000 They roll five minutes, sit back, smoke for 30, roll another five minutes.

00:09:54.000 You go to a wrestling room, it's hot, sweaty, they're all uncomfortable, they're all grinding.

00:09:59.000 So you take that guy and you teach him some basic jiu-jitsu, you got a champ.

00:10:05.000 It's just a mindset for me.

00:10:07.000 Physical strength, too.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, they got physical strength, the grip strength.

00:10:11.000 That's so important.

00:10:12.000 For me, grips is everything.

00:10:13.000 In wrestling, you learn a lot of that early.

00:10:15.000 So I feel like that's kind of the difference.

00:10:19.000 They're just brought up different.

00:10:20.000 Yeah, I definitely think there's something to that.

00:10:22.000 And then also being able to cut weight and still compete.

00:10:26.000 Yeah, I mean, so I'm always telling my fighters now, like, when you have that wrestling experience, especially if you wrestled in college, like, you go all your high school years, you got 50 matches a year.

00:10:37.000 So you're competing 200 times before you even graduate high school.

00:10:41.000 And then you go to college.

00:10:43.000 If you wrestle in college, you're competing, it's the best of the best, in the best room.

00:10:46.000 And then you fight MMA, it's nothing.

00:10:49.000 There's nothing to you.

00:10:51.000 And now you take a kid off the street who's never competed before.

00:10:54.000 They're nervous.

00:10:55.000 They don't perform well.

00:10:57.000 They're always at a disadvantage against somebody who wrestled.

00:11:00.000 Right, because of the experience in competition.

00:11:02.000 Yeah.

00:11:03.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:11:05.000 The only thing about some wrestlers, because there's a tightness to wrestling, and some wrestlers just never learn how to be loose with striking.

00:11:14.000 And some pick it up quick.

00:11:16.000 It's weird.

00:11:16.000 Well, that's the difference, and that's what makes some of them better than the other ones.

00:11:20.000 When I look at, obviously, Tyron Woodley, he's got it.

00:11:23.000 He's loose.

00:11:24.000 He's got it.

00:11:25.000 Even Michael Chandler, when he throws his right hand, it's loose.

00:11:28.000 But you're right, some of them just can't get it, and that's why they struggle.

00:11:33.000 Yeah, and they struggle if they fight a wrestler who can strike.

00:11:37.000 That's terrifying.

00:11:39.000 For a wrestler who can't strike, to fight a wrestler who can strike is terrifying.

00:11:43.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:11:44.000 Absolutely.

00:11:45.000 Some dude who can keep it standing and can fuck you up, especially if they can kick too.

00:11:48.000 I know.

00:11:49.000 I know.

00:11:50.000 But I think that's another problem with wrestlers.

00:11:52.000 They fall in love with the striking early.

00:11:54.000 Yes.

00:11:54.000 Jiu-jitsu guys, too.

00:11:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:55.000 And that's what messes them up, man.

00:11:58.000 They fall in love with it and think, oh, I have to be well-rounded, so I have to dedicate all my time to doing this.

00:12:03.000 I'm like, man, but you're getting worse at what you're good at.

00:12:05.000 Well, I used to watch George Gurjell fight.

00:12:07.000 I'm like, if you watched that guy fight, you would never know that he was a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.

00:12:11.000 He just comes to bang.

00:12:13.000 I used to get so mad at him.

00:12:15.000 I'm like, dude, what are you doing?

00:12:17.000 What are you doing?

00:12:18.000 What are you doing?

00:12:21.000 I don't know if it was fan expectation or just in his mind he wanted to be a striker, but I'd be like, dude, what are you doing?

00:12:27.000 I think he liked it, too.

00:12:29.000 I think there's something to that, too.

00:12:31.000 Something that they like.

00:12:32.000 I don't know.

00:12:33.000 It gets weird when they have that new tool.

00:12:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:37.000 But it's ruined a lot of good fighters' careers.

00:12:39.000 I mean, you look at Johnny Hendricks or Josh Koscheck.

00:12:43.000 He fell in love with that right hand.

00:12:45.000 Hendricks fell in love with that left hand.

00:12:47.000 And then when it caught up to him...

00:12:49.000 Hendrix is an interesting case, because something switched off.

00:12:54.000 Something changed with that guy.

00:12:57.000 Like, that guy used to knock everybody dead, and then it just stopped happening.

00:13:01.000 Like, you watch his Martin Kampman fight.

00:13:03.000 Martin Kampman went flying like he had the death touch.

00:13:06.000 John Fitch went flying like the death touch.

00:13:09.000 Like, he was smashing people.

00:13:11.000 I mean, he caught him early.

00:13:12.000 Boom!

00:13:13.000 Boom, yeah.

00:13:13.000 They were flying.

00:13:14.000 Yeah.

00:13:15.000 Like, if he touched you, you were getting fucked up.

00:13:17.000 Like, something happened.

00:13:19.000 And then all of a sudden, everybody's surviving.

00:13:20.000 Yeah.

00:13:21.000 I'm not sure.

00:13:22.000 Honestly, I'd have to look back and watch.

00:13:24.000 But I don't really know, man.

00:13:26.000 He started throwing a lot of leg kicks and just, like, taking a little bit of steam off his shots, off his punches.

00:13:31.000 I don't really know.

00:13:32.000 It could be injuries.

00:13:33.000 Sometimes you see a guy, as they get older or they get injured, they don't throw the punch the same way anymore.

00:13:40.000 It's almost like they can't throw it straight.

00:13:43.000 It's like their shoulders are fucked up or something.

00:13:46.000 Their mechanics are off.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, their mechanics change.

00:13:49.000 You see that with Arlovsky.

00:13:51.000 When Arlovsky was young, dude, his right hand was a fucking piston.

00:13:55.000 Oh man, he was great, wasn't he?

00:13:57.000 Yeah, have you ever watched his fight with Paul Blentello?

00:13:59.000 It's been a while since I've seen that, but...

00:14:01.000 It's like the perfect example of an Orlovsky knockout.

00:14:05.000 He KO'd Paul Bluntel with his straight right hand.

00:14:08.000 It was just...

00:14:08.000 It just came right off the shoulder.

00:14:12.000 And it doesn't come off the shoulder anymore.

00:14:14.000 Now it's like it comes up almost.

00:14:17.000 He doesn't throw it straight anymore.

00:14:20.000 It doesn't seem the same when he throws it.

00:14:22.000 Well, I see him in the gym all the time.

00:14:24.000 He trained with us, too.

00:14:25.000 So I see him in the gym all the time.

00:14:27.000 And I mean, obviously, it's kind of sad because you see him.

00:14:29.000 It's like you remember how great he was.

00:14:31.000 And now, like with age and injuries, he's just trying to get through a workout.

00:14:36.000 And that's not a knock on him.

00:14:37.000 It's just what happens when you get older.

00:14:39.000 He's 40. Yeah, yeah.

00:14:40.000 You're 40 years old.

00:14:41.000 So like...

00:14:42.000 Your workouts are different.

00:14:43.000 Well, it's also, he's 40 years old with 15-plus years of world-class combat experience.

00:14:49.000 I mean, if you look at some of the knockouts that he suffered against, like, Sergei Karotanov, against Francis Ngannou, I mean, he suffered some brutal fucking knockouts.

00:14:59.000 Oh, I know.

00:15:00.000 I mean, but just the fact that...

00:15:01.000 Here's Arlovsky.

00:15:02.000 This is like, I want to say this is like UFC fucking 37 or some shit.

00:15:09.000 Boom!

00:15:10.000 Look at that.

00:15:11.000 Oh yeah, that was straight down the pipe.

00:15:13.000 Yeah, show that again real quick.

00:15:15.000 Look at this.

00:15:16.000 Boom!

00:15:17.000 I mean, just the timing, the precision.

00:15:23.000 He was a fucking savage back then.

00:15:25.000 Yeah, you couldn't really do it better than that.

00:15:28.000 People forgot about him.

00:15:29.000 He was the scariest fucking heavyweight on the planet for a while.

00:15:32.000 I mean, you gotta respect his career because he's done a lot.

00:15:36.000 And he's still good.

00:15:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:37.000 He's still good.

00:15:38.000 He's still competitive.

00:15:39.000 Yeah, he's still competitive.

00:15:41.000 I mean, he loves to fight.

00:15:43.000 He still fights with enthusiasm.

00:15:45.000 Yeah.

00:15:45.000 He just can't get his body to do what it used to do.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, in the gym, like, it took him a while for him to kind of lighten up a bit.

00:15:52.000 I remember he'd come in the gym, you know, he's got that Russian, that scary Russian look to him, and he'd come in the gym and wouldn't say nothing to nobody.

00:16:00.000 But now he smiles.

00:16:02.000 That's cool.

00:16:02.000 It's hard to get these guys to smile sometimes.

00:16:04.000 So is he down in Florida now?

00:16:05.000 Yeah, he's down in Florida.

00:16:06.000 When did he start going down there?

00:16:08.000 It's been like two fights, right?

00:16:09.000 Yeah.

00:16:10.000 Maybe a little more than that.

00:16:11.000 He works a lot with Mike Brown.

00:16:12.000 Yeah.

00:16:13.000 And they've been working together for maybe two years, maybe.

00:16:16.000 So he was at Jackson's for quite a bit.

00:16:17.000 Yeah.

00:16:18.000 And then he just decided to just keep moving, huh?

00:16:20.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 That's the life of a fucking rambling fighter.

00:16:24.000 Moving different towns and trying to assimilate.

00:16:27.000 Man, it's so hard.

00:16:28.000 Single, no kids.

00:16:29.000 Yep.

00:16:30.000 But no, you know what?

00:16:31.000 A lot of them, what they end up doing is they're getting girls and they end up shacking up with a girl because it's easier for them.

00:16:38.000 In what way?

00:16:39.000 Like, when you're a struggling fighter, you got nothing, hardly nowhere to live, you find a girl, and you shack up with her, and she pay all your bills.

00:16:47.000 Oh, really?

00:16:48.000 Yeah, that's what a lot of fighters end up doing.

00:16:49.000 That's why you see them end up with their girl and their young.

00:16:52.000 Paying the bills.

00:16:53.000 That's never a good relationship.

00:16:55.000 No.

00:16:55.000 Girls paying the bills?

00:16:56.000 No.

00:16:56.000 Oof.

00:16:57.000 No.

00:16:58.000 Especially when you're a fighter, and then you lose a fight.

00:17:00.000 She looking at you like, this motherfucker.

00:17:02.000 Get a job.

00:17:03.000 Yeah.

00:17:04.000 You got brain damage.

00:17:05.000 Yeah, get a job.

00:17:05.000 Get a job.

00:17:06.000 You got brain damage.

00:17:07.000 Get a job while you still can Yeah It's a weird road It's a weird road When you don't think That you could win a title Every fighter wants to think that they can one day be a title holder or be one of the elite of the elite.

00:17:29.000 You're in the hunt.

00:17:30.000 It starts out like that.

00:17:33.000 It don't always end up like that though.

00:17:35.000 Yeah, but that's the weird world is the world of the journeyman.

00:17:39.000 Like, when Arturo Gatti used to fight Mickey Ward, and we both knew, everybody knew, that these guys were not going to win any titles.

00:17:47.000 Yeah.

00:17:47.000 But you still wanted to see them beat the fuck out of each other.

00:17:50.000 You still wanted to see them go to war.

00:17:52.000 Well, I mean, but that's where we got to kind of draw that line between like sport and event, right?

00:17:57.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 You know, because like when we, and fighters have to also be real with themselves too, is are you doing this for the sport?

00:18:04.000 You trying to be the champ?

00:18:05.000 Or are you just trying to be a fan favorite?

00:18:08.000 Right.

00:18:08.000 And you should train the way you want to, on what you want to project to the world.

00:18:11.000 And a lot of fighters don't do that.

00:18:13.000 Right, but if you're trying to be a fan favorite, like if you're a guy who just wants to bang it out, like how many of those you got in you?

00:18:19.000 It's not many.

00:18:20.000 You know, Donald Cerrone, that's his road now.

00:18:26.000 Yeah, in a way, but I think Donald still thinks he can win a title.

00:18:31.000 That's tough.

00:18:32.000 It's going to be tough for him.

00:18:34.000 Well, they were trying to get him.

00:18:36.000 He was trying to get the Conor McGregor fight.

00:18:39.000 That would have been a tough fight for him.

00:18:40.000 It would have been a tough fight for him, but at 155 pounds, it's not a bad fight for him.

00:18:45.000 No, not really.

00:18:46.000 But I mean, the problem is, stylistically, he just doesn't move his head enough.

00:18:51.000 Yeah.

00:18:52.000 And Nate, I mean, Nate doesn't either, but Nate took a lot of shots, you know, to the head.

00:18:57.000 So, I mean, it's kind of a bad, I don't know.

00:19:00.000 Yeah, but Nate is a very good boxer.

00:19:04.000 Yeah, Nate can box.

00:19:05.000 Yeah.

00:19:06.000 Nate Diaz is, it frustrates the shit out of me that he's not fighting.

00:19:10.000 Why is that?

00:19:11.000 Because I like to see him.

00:19:12.000 I want to see him get in there.

00:19:13.000 I want to see him make money while he can, too.

00:19:15.000 I mean, you're only going to be able to live this lifestyle.

00:19:18.000 I mean, I know he made a couple million dollars off of the Conor fight, but he hasn't fought in two years.

00:19:23.000 More than that.

00:19:24.000 He ain't doing nothing else?

00:19:25.000 But the Dustin Poirier fight, that was going to happen, but then Poirier got injured.

00:19:29.000 He's got some hip issue, and then he pulled out of that fight.

00:19:33.000 I was looking forward to that fight.

00:19:35.000 I want to see him back in it.

00:19:37.000 Yeah, but...

00:19:38.000 I mean, I would have loved to have seen that fight.

00:19:40.000 And then Nick was supposed to fight Masvidal.

00:19:42.000 That's not going to happen?

00:19:43.000 No!

00:19:44.000 Why?

00:19:45.000 I don't know.

00:19:46.000 That's the perfect fight!

00:19:47.000 It's a great fight.

00:19:47.000 I mean, that's the fight where you could have got, like, the Hispanic culture, the Civil War, and Española going at it.

00:19:54.000 Yeah, that would have been a great stylistic fight, too.

00:19:57.000 Yeah, and, like, they would have talked trash to each other.

00:19:59.000 That would have been...

00:20:01.000 Crazy trash.

00:20:01.000 Whoever dropped the ball on that needs to be fired.

00:20:05.000 I think Nick just decided not to fight.

00:20:07.000 I don't know.

00:20:08.000 I do not know.

00:20:09.000 I don't know.

00:20:09.000 I'm talking out of my ass.

00:20:11.000 I don't know the specifics, but I was looking forward to it.

00:20:13.000 But then I saw an article that said Nick Diaz confirms he's not going to be fighting at UFC 235. I'm like...

00:20:18.000 What?

00:20:23.000 What?

00:20:23.000 Get in there!

00:20:24.000 Come on, man.

00:20:25.000 Last time he fought was Anderson Silva.

00:20:27.000 That's crazy.

00:20:29.000 That is crazy.

00:20:30.000 That's crazy.

00:20:31.000 But I don't know.

00:20:31.000 I mean, I don't know, Joe.

00:20:34.000 And this is something that we kind of got to stop doing, man.

00:20:36.000 Like, maybe they ain't got it no more.

00:20:38.000 Well, I don't know if he doesn't have it anymore because we haven't seen him not have it.

00:20:42.000 He fought well against Anderson, and Anderson's a 185-pounder.

00:20:45.000 Yeah.

00:20:45.000 Remember when he laid down?

00:20:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:47.000 I mean...

00:20:49.000 Honestly, if anybody could still fight in their old age, the way the Diaz brothers fight, their style will allow them to fight longer.

00:20:57.000 Because they're not the best athletes.

00:20:59.000 So they rely on skill and endurance.

00:21:03.000 They can fight longer.

00:21:05.000 I'm assuming that they still have something left in the tank.

00:21:08.000 I'm sure.

00:21:09.000 I mean, they're obviously not out of shape.

00:21:11.000 They're both thin.

00:21:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:12.000 They look like they're fit.

00:21:13.000 I see them training.

00:21:15.000 I see, you know, pictures of them with jiu-jitsu geese on and hitting the bag and shit.

00:21:20.000 It's, you know...

00:21:21.000 Who knows, man?

00:21:22.000 I mean, it's also like they want that big payday, you know, especially now.

00:21:26.000 And they should get that big payday.

00:21:28.000 But goddamn, if I was the UFC... You pay him?

00:21:31.000 Fuck yeah!

00:21:32.000 I think those guys are superstars.

00:21:34.000 I think the UFC doesn't know.

00:21:35.000 I think one of the reasons why Nate Diaz versus Conor McGregor was so big is because people love Nate Diaz, too.

00:21:41.000 It's not just Conor McGregor.

00:21:43.000 No doubt.

00:21:44.000 Conor McGregor, no disrespect to Eddie Alvarez, but when Conor McGregor fought Eddie Alvarez, the vast majority of the eyes were on Conor McGregor.

00:21:52.000 When Conor McGregor fights Nate Diaz, you're looking at...

00:21:57.000 A lot of people who love Nate Diaz.

00:21:59.000 But how do you think that happened?

00:22:00.000 How do you think Nate got such that star power?

00:22:02.000 Because he doesn't give a fuck.

00:22:03.000 He legitimately doesn't give a fuck.

00:22:05.000 He smokes weed all the time.

00:22:06.000 People love it.

00:22:08.000 They love the fact that those guys are like that.

00:22:10.000 I know, man.

00:22:10.000 But what does that say about our fan base and our society?

00:22:13.000 Well, I don't know.

00:22:16.000 You know what?

00:22:18.000 Here's what's disappointing to me.

00:22:20.000 That, for whatever reason, Mighty Mouse never became a giant superstar.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:25.000 That confused the shit out of me.

00:22:26.000 I'd watch that guy fight.

00:22:28.000 You know, when he took Ray Borg and suplexed him and caught him with an arm bar on the way down, I was like, what the fuck does this guy have to do to become a superstar?

00:22:36.000 I mean, his skill level's off the chart.

00:22:38.000 For sure.

00:22:39.000 He doesn't get hit.

00:22:40.000 For sure.

00:22:41.000 He's a dazzling fighter.

00:22:43.000 He puts on show.

00:22:44.000 Skill for skill, there's nobody on the planet who can do what he does.

00:22:47.000 No, he's the best ever.

00:22:48.000 He's the best physically ever.

00:22:50.000 The only thing that keeps him from being thought of as universally the greatest of all time is Jon Jones.

00:22:57.000 And Jon Jones has been able to beat better guys.

00:23:01.000 Jon Jones fights a better caliber of competition because the 205 pound weight class, at least at one point in time, had a deeper talent pool.

00:23:12.000 Yeah, but do you think it was...

00:23:13.000 I mean, I'm going to agree with you there, but I will say this.

00:23:16.000 I think that sometimes we confuse popularity with actual talent.

00:23:21.000 Well, I say yes and no, because if you think about Daniel Cormier, Daniel Cormier twice beat Rumble.

00:23:29.000 For sure.

00:23:30.000 Rumble's the scariest knockout artist in the history of that division.

00:23:35.000 No kidding.

00:23:35.000 Nobody mercs people like Rumble.

00:23:37.000 No kidding.

00:23:38.000 Fuck that guy hits hard.

00:23:40.000 I know.

00:23:40.000 Jesus Christ.

00:23:41.000 He's one of the scariest dudes.

00:23:42.000 I would not want to piss him off.

00:23:45.000 I wouldn't want to piss him off.

00:23:46.000 Fuck!

00:23:47.000 Yeah, I see him in Florida once in a while.

00:23:49.000 I'm always like, hey, yeah.

00:23:50.000 Hey, how are you doing, buddy?

00:23:51.000 Hello, friend.

00:23:52.000 You good?

00:23:53.000 Can I get you anything?

00:23:54.000 Let's stay tight.

00:23:55.000 Yeah.

00:23:56.000 That's a scary motherfucker.

00:23:58.000 Rumble beat him twice.

00:23:59.000 Think about that.

00:23:59.000 And think of what he did to Gustafson.

00:24:01.000 Think of what he does to everybody.

00:24:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:03.000 I mean, fuck, man.

00:24:05.000 What he did to Little Nog.

00:24:09.000 He just smashes people.

00:24:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:11.000 I mean, you're right.

00:24:12.000 I mean, John Jones did...

00:24:13.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:24:14.000 John Jones would be the better caliber guys.

00:24:16.000 Easily.

00:24:17.000 Yeah.

00:24:17.000 And he did it easily.

00:24:18.000 I was really looking forward to that fight.

00:24:20.000 John Jones versus Rumble.

00:24:22.000 Very...

00:24:22.000 I was looking forward to that fight.

00:24:24.000 I wish that fight took place.

00:24:25.000 But for whatever reason, Rumble couldn't beat the best of the best.

00:24:29.000 You know, it's unfortunate.

00:24:31.000 You know, I think...

00:24:33.000 I mean, and he wrestled too, so I don't really know what his performance anxiety was based on, but he had it.

00:24:39.000 But you know what he said?

00:24:40.000 For some reason.

00:24:40.000 He said after he retired, you know, in the fight when he lost to DC, he goes, I'm just good at this.

00:24:47.000 He goes, I'm not really a fighter.

00:24:49.000 He's like, I'm an athlete.

00:24:50.000 He goes, I'm just really good at this.

00:24:52.000 I'm like, how the fuck are you not a fighter?

00:24:54.000 You smash people.

00:24:55.000 I mean, he's a terrifying fighter, but that's not his thing.

00:24:59.000 Well, that's the thing, Joe, and I gotta tell you, because when I'm coaching guys, I have to identify that early in what I'm working with.

00:25:06.000 Are you a fighter?

00:25:07.000 Are you an athlete?

00:25:08.000 Are you a competitor?

00:25:09.000 Or are you an artist?

00:25:11.000 I put them in them four categories, and they have to be trained all differently.

00:25:16.000 How do you train an artist?

00:25:17.000 Like an artist, you gotta let them get creative.

00:25:19.000 Give me an example of an artist.

00:25:21.000 Like as a fighter?

00:25:22.000 Yeah.

00:25:23.000 I look at somebody like, prime example, we just saw him, Ryan Hall.

00:25:26.000 Yes.

00:25:26.000 Ryan Hall's an artist.

00:25:28.000 What he did, that was like art.

00:25:30.000 That's poetry, what he did to BJ. And the fight world ain't really ready for that yet.

00:25:36.000 You don't think so?

00:25:37.000 No.

00:25:37.000 It's getting there, but they're not ready for that yet because when you saw him when he fought Gray Maynard, he's trying to perform his art.

00:25:44.000 Gray Maynard wouldn't let him.

00:25:45.000 So who do we blame?

00:25:46.000 We blame the artists.

00:25:49.000 Everybody said, oh man, Ryan Hall, get him out of here.

00:25:51.000 He's a pussy.

00:25:52.000 He can't fight.

00:25:52.000 Well, you have to fight the smart way.

00:25:54.000 For sure.

00:25:54.000 Gray Maynard hits hard.

00:25:55.000 For sure.

00:25:55.000 So he fought him.

00:25:56.000 He dove for his legs 15 minutes.

00:25:58.000 But when it works, we can appreciate the art.

00:26:01.000 Yeah.

00:26:01.000 Well, just Gray Maynard was prepared and he shrugged him off.

00:26:05.000 Here's an example of an artist.

00:26:07.000 Stylebender.

00:26:07.000 Style better.

00:26:08.000 Artist.

00:26:09.000 Pure artist.

00:26:12.000 Anderson Silva.

00:26:13.000 Artist.

00:26:14.000 These guys are artists and you can't train them the same way you train a fighter or an athlete.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, you can't train them like that.

00:26:20.000 Mike Perry's an animal.

00:26:22.000 And I know Mike Perry since the first day he walked into a gym.

00:26:25.000 And he's always had this edge on him and this chip on his shoulder.

00:26:29.000 I didn't think he'd make it this far, to be honest with you.

00:26:31.000 I thought he'd be in jail.

00:26:33.000 I swear to God.

00:26:34.000 Wow.

00:26:35.000 What made you think that?

00:26:38.000 He had a little chip on his shoulder.

00:26:40.000 He was always getting in trouble.

00:26:41.000 Getting arrested.

00:26:42.000 Getting in trouble.

00:26:43.000 But I'm proud of him.

00:26:44.000 He really turned it around.

00:26:46.000 He's got a good head on his shoulders.

00:26:48.000 Well, he's still in the hunt.

00:26:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:50.000 I mean, he can recover from the cowboy fight.

00:26:53.000 He's...

00:26:54.000 You know, he's got some holes in his game, you know, but he could shore those up.

00:26:57.000 But he's got the one thing that you need in order to cover up holes, and that's power.

00:27:01.000 Savage.

00:27:01.000 Yeah, that's power.

00:27:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:27:02.000 Like, even though he got holes, he got power.

00:27:04.000 Not just power, he takes it well.

00:27:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:07.000 He's got a great chin.

00:27:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got a great chin.

00:27:09.000 And he's tough as shit.

00:27:10.000 Tough.

00:27:10.000 Like, his mind.

00:27:11.000 Like, he's an absolute fighter.

00:27:13.000 Absolutely.

00:27:14.000 So he's the type of guy who's just, hey man, get on that heavy back for 30 minutes and I'll throw you some raw meat.

00:27:18.000 Go fight!

00:27:19.000 Yeah, that's how you train him, you know what I'm saying?

00:27:21.000 You just let him go.

00:27:22.000 Right.

00:27:23.000 But don't you, it seems like what they've done at Jackson's though is made him more calculated, made him more technical.

00:27:30.000 Like if you see some of his more recent fights before the cowboy fight, he's fighting a more calculated style.

00:27:37.000 I like the way he looks better.

00:27:39.000 Yeah, I mean, that works, but the problem is sometimes it takes time to develop.

00:27:45.000 And that's okay.

00:27:47.000 Like, Mike Perry still has time, so that's okay.

00:27:48.000 But the thing is, you don't want to calculate his offense too much.

00:27:52.000 Calculate his defense, make him more aware.

00:27:54.000 But then when it comes to offense, man, just punch a motherfucker in the face.

00:27:59.000 Yeah.

00:28:00.000 Just punch him in the fucking face.

00:28:02.000 That's it.

00:28:02.000 Right.

00:28:03.000 But defensively, you keep him aware and calculated.

00:28:05.000 It's like his attitude, you just want to keep it the same.

00:28:08.000 Yeah.

00:28:09.000 And that's the problem is that some coaches, and I'm not blaming nobody over there, but you just have to make sure you communicate with them that, look, I don't want to change the way you think.

00:28:17.000 Right.

00:28:17.000 I just want to make you more aware.

00:28:18.000 You're going to be a better fighter if you don't just run out there swinging wildly.

00:28:22.000 We need something to do before you can swing wildly.

00:28:25.000 What was it like for you to transition from being a fighter to being a coach?

00:28:28.000 Was it a seamless process or were there some hiccups along the way?

00:28:33.000 No, it wasn't a seamless.

00:28:35.000 I mean, it was seamless as it could be.

00:28:37.000 It was no hiccups.

00:28:38.000 Really?

00:28:39.000 Because I can identify and I can relate to Rumble because I wasn't a fighter neither.

00:28:44.000 Really?

00:28:45.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 I always thought I was an artist.

00:28:48.000 So when it was time for me to transition, I said, I no longer want to express myself by punching people.

00:28:56.000 I'm going to show people how to do it.

00:28:59.000 Do you like taking people that are already good and making them better, or do you like taking people that don't know shit?

00:29:05.000 I like taking people that don't know shit.

00:29:06.000 Really?

00:29:07.000 Yeah.

00:29:07.000 I like taking people that don't know shit.

00:29:10.000 Because if you're already good...

00:29:11.000 So, I mean, that's hard because if they're already good, and then you win a world title with them...

00:29:16.000 Right.

00:29:17.000 That's them.

00:29:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:29:18.000 There's no real...

00:29:19.000 Let me ask you a guy.

00:29:20.000 Let me take a guy like this.

00:29:21.000 Okay.

00:29:22.000 What would you do with Gustafsson?

00:29:25.000 Gustafson.

00:29:26.000 Yeah.

00:29:26.000 Because Gustafson, that weird spot, right?

00:29:28.000 Can't beat DC. Can't beat John.

00:29:30.000 Fucks up Glover Teixeira.

00:29:32.000 Yeah.

00:29:32.000 Looks like a world-beater.

00:29:33.000 He beats Jimmy Manoa.

00:29:34.000 I mean, he's got world-class talent, for sure.

00:29:38.000 But it seems like it's just shy of world championship caliber.

00:29:44.000 See, but that's something that he might have to go soul-searching for, because he might not have it.

00:29:50.000 You know, so if he don't have it, so then you just start going, you know what?

00:29:54.000 I need to get feist to make a bunch of money.

00:29:56.000 Do you think maybe it's where he trains?

00:29:58.000 Do you think maybe it's, you know, he's training overseas with, you know, he trains with Aaliyah Latifi, who's really good.

00:30:05.000 I mean, does he have world-class coaching over there?

00:30:08.000 I mean, does he have world-class sparring partners, people that recognize patterns?

00:30:14.000 Yeah, so that's what I think, too, is that in Europe, and somebody mentioned this to me a couple months ago, is that in Europe, the coaches are better.

00:30:20.000 Really?

00:30:21.000 And I don't necessarily think that they're better, but they're more attentive.

00:30:27.000 They're more attentive to their fighters.

00:30:29.000 So if Gus were to leave his coaching staff, I think he'd be a worse fighter.

00:30:33.000 I think he needs to keep his coaching staff, but maybe add something else to it.

00:30:37.000 We spent some time in the Lions.

00:30:38.000 Yeah, and I think he needed that.

00:30:40.000 But what he might need are just better partners.

00:30:43.000 He might just need a few better guys to give him some different looks.

00:30:47.000 But I think the coaching staff, his coaching staff is fine.

00:30:50.000 I've worked with some of them before.

00:30:52.000 Because Latif used to come to the top team.

00:30:54.000 And I met all them guys.

00:30:56.000 They're smart.

00:30:57.000 And they're more attentive to their guys than American coaches.

00:31:00.000 American coaches sometimes say, all right, go ahead, roll, do what you got to do.

00:31:03.000 There's a bunch of good guys in the room.

00:31:04.000 I don't need to tell you nothing.

00:31:05.000 You know, so I think that's the biggest difference between like America and then like in Europe.

00:31:11.000 They're more attentive.

00:31:12.000 More attentive.

00:31:13.000 What's the reason for that?

00:31:15.000 Just not many guys to work with.

00:31:19.000 Right.

00:31:19.000 You know, so, you know, the States here is so big.

00:31:23.000 You go to a room, there's one coach, 20 fighters.

00:31:26.000 Right.

00:31:27.000 The coach is just like, well, you guys are good.

00:31:28.000 Go ahead.

00:31:29.000 Spar and whoever's left, I'm going to get you a fight.

00:31:32.000 Right.

00:31:32.000 Yeah.

00:31:33.000 There's a little of that, right?

00:31:34.000 Yeah.

00:31:35.000 You know, that's a similarity with comedy managers.

00:31:38.000 It's a very similar thing.

00:31:40.000 Like, there's some comedy managers that have, like, a hundred clients, and they're just like, go out there, figure it out.

00:31:45.000 Yeah, and if you're good, we're going to take you to the top.

00:31:47.000 Yeah, I see, like, Kevin Hart.

00:31:49.000 Oh, yeah, Musk had a great manager.

00:31:50.000 Look how good he got.

00:31:50.000 No, he's fucking Kevin Hart.

00:31:52.000 He was going to make it no matter who was his manager.

00:31:54.000 And then there's some that have, like, a small amount of clients, and they spend a lot of time with them.

00:31:59.000 Yeah.

00:31:59.000 And they calculate a career together.

00:32:02.000 They map it out.

00:32:03.000 You know, I think with fighters, a lot of times it is a lot of like, who's left?

00:32:08.000 Who's still standing?

00:32:09.000 Yeah, who's still standing?

00:32:10.000 And I think, you know, being a coach at Top Team, we have a lot of coaches.

00:32:14.000 So I think that helps us.

00:32:16.000 That place is so big.

00:32:17.000 Yeah.

00:32:17.000 It's so big.

00:32:18.000 It's so big.

00:32:19.000 We have a lot of fighters, but we also have a lot of coaches.

00:32:21.000 So we can give...

00:32:23.000 Amanda Nunez, 100%.

00:32:25.000 She gets whatever she wants.

00:32:27.000 Yeah.

00:32:27.000 So she gets the attention.

00:32:29.000 And I think it's just great because she can get that attention.

00:32:32.000 Like, in different places, she might not be able to get it.

00:32:35.000 I mean, she would still get it, but with the level of our coaching expertise, it's just ridiculous, though.

00:32:41.000 Dude, that chick is a savage.

00:32:44.000 I know.

00:32:44.000 She's a savage.

00:32:46.000 I know.

00:32:46.000 She had a smile on her face when she was fucking up Cyborg.

00:32:51.000 I know.

00:32:51.000 She had like a half a grin when she was digging in.

00:32:54.000 Like, it was half grit teeth, half smile when she was fucking her up.

00:32:58.000 See, people are like, they never, I don't think they gave her no credit.

00:33:02.000 I did.

00:33:02.000 Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, she hits hard, she knocked out Ronda, she knocked out, you know, she beat up Mitch Tate, she knocked these girls out.

00:33:08.000 But, and they're like, oh yeah, she fight like a dude, but she fight like a brother.

00:33:12.000 Yeah.

00:33:13.000 She got the swag.

00:33:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:14.000 She fighting like a brother.

00:33:16.000 Well, you know what?

00:33:16.000 To me, I think one of the most impressive performances was Raquel Pennington.

00:33:21.000 Yeah.

00:33:21.000 Because I don't think people give Raquel Pennington enough credit.

00:33:23.000 I think Raquel Pennington was one of those girls, like you see her first fight with Holly Holm.

00:33:28.000 She almost beat Holly Holm.

00:33:29.000 She lost by split decision.

00:33:31.000 Her fight with Ashley Evans-Smith, holy shit was that chaos.

00:33:36.000 Yeah.

00:33:36.000 And she gets her in that bulldog choke and chokes her unconscious with like one second left.

00:33:39.000 Like, ah!

00:33:41.000 It was madness, blood everywhere.

00:33:42.000 I mean, that girl's tough as shit.

00:33:45.000 She's a super...

00:33:45.000 You're right, man.

00:33:46.000 She's super tough, yeah.

00:33:47.000 And when Amanda fucked her up, I was like, good lord.

00:33:50.000 I was like, this is a different Amanda.

00:33:52.000 She's got everything now.

00:33:55.000 Before, she had the power, but she didn't have the endurance, and she would fade, and, you know, like...

00:34:00.000 Perfect example was the Kat Zingano fight.

00:34:03.000 She fucked Kat Zingano up bad in that first round.

00:34:05.000 So bad that Kat's head was fucked up for years afterwards.

00:34:09.000 She was having problems with her cortisol levels.

00:34:11.000 Her hormones were all fucked up.

00:34:12.000 She gave her hypothyroid.

00:34:15.000 She killed her thyroid in that fight.

00:34:17.000 Oh my god.

00:34:18.000 Yes.

00:34:19.000 She talked about it on my podcast.

00:34:20.000 She's like, that girl hit me so hard.

00:34:22.000 She gave me a thyroid condition.

00:34:24.000 Oh my god.

00:34:25.000 Yeah, she went to all sorts of serious fucking traumatic brain injury therapy afterwards.

00:34:30.000 They did the shit they do for soldiers down in San Diego.

00:34:33.000 They did it with her.

00:34:33.000 She went about it in detail on my podcast from Amanda.

00:34:38.000 She's like, that bitch hits hard.

00:34:40.000 Yeah.

00:34:40.000 So hard.

00:34:41.000 Like, different than anybody else.

00:34:42.000 Like, bang!

00:34:43.000 You're like, what?

00:34:44.000 I mean, she's really good at hitting home runs.

00:34:46.000 Like, her swing-to-contact ratio on the money, on the button, is just high.

00:34:52.000 Yeah, and the force behind it.

00:34:54.000 Like, you saw when she clipped Cyborg.

00:34:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:57.000 I said, oh my god!

00:34:58.000 I know it was over!

00:34:59.000 As soon as I saw it, I said, this is over.

00:35:01.000 Yeah.

00:35:01.000 This is over.

00:35:02.000 Crazy, crazy.

00:35:03.000 But Amanda's another one.

00:35:04.000 Prime example.

00:35:05.000 Because I've worked in all Amanda's camps, except for maybe like this last one.

00:35:10.000 But she's not a fighter, believe it or not.

00:35:14.000 Really?

00:35:14.000 Yeah.

00:35:15.000 What?

00:35:15.000 What is she?

00:35:18.000 Is she an athlete or is she an artist?

00:35:21.000 She's an athlete.

00:35:22.000 She's an athlete and a competitor.

00:35:24.000 So here's the thing.

00:35:25.000 You can't just put Amanda and go, all right, spar.

00:35:29.000 And you try to push Amanda, she's not going to respond well to that.

00:35:34.000 And that was why I think, you know, in a fight she would gas out because like she didn't train properly.

00:35:39.000 She wasn't happy really with her training because it was like everybody was trying to push her like a fighter.

00:35:44.000 But when you let her do her thing, she pushes herself.

00:35:49.000 Yeah, she push herself to the limit.

00:35:51.000 But when you try to take control of her, no, you need to do this, you need to do that.

00:35:55.000 She's not gonna respond well to that.

00:35:56.000 But you let her do her thing.

00:35:58.000 Coach, I got this.

00:35:59.000 Go ahead, you do it.

00:36:01.000 World class.

00:36:02.000 Best ever.

00:36:03.000 Yep.

00:36:04.000 So, for her, what was the missing ingredient when you look at, like, the early Amanda to, like, champ champ Amanda?

00:36:11.000 I think it wasn't necessarily a missing ingredient.

00:36:13.000 I think it was just everybody was pushing her too hard.

00:36:15.000 Really?

00:36:16.000 Yeah.

00:36:16.000 Believe it or not, you're pushing her too hard.

00:36:18.000 Oh, you need to come in.

00:36:19.000 You need to come in and wrestle for two hours.

00:36:21.000 You need to come in and do this.

00:36:22.000 You can't be a world champ if you don't really train hard.

00:36:25.000 And she was like, I don't know if I'm good.

00:36:27.000 You know, I'm good.

00:36:28.000 And I don't know if I'm down for that.

00:36:29.000 Just let me do it.

00:36:30.000 Let me figure this out.

00:36:31.000 Let me figure what my body needs.

00:36:33.000 And when she figured out what her body needs, she said, all right, I'm going to push myself.

00:36:36.000 And she gives no less effort than what she would have gotten before, but she made the decision.

00:36:41.000 So maybe she just doesn't like people telling her what to do.

00:36:44.000 I think that has a big part of it.

00:36:47.000 Because she's now the best of all time.

00:36:49.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:36:50.000 She knocked out Cyborg in 50 fucking seconds.

00:36:54.000 She beat everybody.

00:36:55.000 She fucked up Misha Tate.

00:36:57.000 I mean, she fucked up Ronda Rousey.

00:37:00.000 I mean, she fucks up everybody.

00:37:02.000 I know.

00:37:03.000 She's the best.

00:37:04.000 She is.

00:37:05.000 No doubt about it.

00:37:06.000 Beat Valentina twice.

00:37:08.000 And I think if anybody other than her who's the best, it's Valentina.

00:37:12.000 Yeah, Valentina's a...

00:37:14.000 Yeah, she's a beast, but I think that the more confident Amanda gets, she just walks Valentina down and beats her up.

00:37:23.000 She's too big.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, she's just too big, too good, too quick.

00:37:27.000 But Valentina's so skillful.

00:37:28.000 Yeah, and stylistically, it doesn't make for a great fight because Valentina is so skillful.

00:37:33.000 Yeah.

00:37:34.000 She won't brawl with her.

00:37:36.000 She ain't going to brawl with her.

00:37:37.000 She's got good defense and she moves her feet well.

00:37:40.000 She does everything.

00:37:41.000 She's really good.

00:37:42.000 I feel bad for them other girls that didn't fly weight.

00:37:45.000 She might take over that division for a long fucking time.

00:37:49.000 Yeah.

00:37:50.000 I mean, if you look at what she did, she shut Young Jacek down, and Young Jacek was way healthier.

00:37:54.000 Way healthier flyweight than she was at strawweight.

00:37:56.000 I feel like strawweight, she just sucks too much weight, drains her too much.

00:38:01.000 She's not as durable.

00:38:03.000 Because you look at the shots that she got hit with by Valentina, they're probably, arguably, harder shots.

00:38:09.000 Yeah.

00:38:10.000 But she just...

00:38:11.000 You're right.

00:38:12.000 She's more durable.

00:38:13.000 She can't cut that weight and perform at the same level.

00:38:16.000 I don't know why fighters feel like that's the answer all the time.

00:38:19.000 Cutting the weight.

00:38:20.000 I hate it.

00:38:21.000 I hate it.

00:38:21.000 I'm like, if you're going to allow seven pounds to dictate whether you can beat this guy or not, you got a problem.

00:38:27.000 Yeah.

00:38:28.000 Then you're not that good then.

00:38:30.000 Yeah.

00:38:30.000 You should never allow seven pounds to dictate whether you can beat somebody or not.

00:38:35.000 Do you think that the sport would be better if they eliminated weight cutting the way 1FC did?

00:38:39.000 I think so.

00:38:40.000 I think so, too.

00:38:41.000 I think so.

00:38:41.000 I wish they would.

00:38:42.000 I think the performance would be better.

00:38:44.000 I think guys would be more durable.

00:38:45.000 They'd be able to take shots better.

00:38:47.000 And I think there would be less bullshit.

00:38:49.000 I think they just need more options in terms of weight classes.

00:38:52.000 I think that's one.

00:38:53.000 I think because there's too many giant jumps, like 85 to 205, like what the fuck is that?

00:39:00.000 20 pounds is a lot.

00:39:01.000 Well, I mean, that's just one issue with this sport, just like incredibly antiquated, like the weight classes.

00:39:07.000 I mean, this stuff was 20 years ago.

00:39:10.000 I mean, and we're keeping it the same, like the pay structure, antiquated, win bonuses, but knock a guy for winning.

00:39:17.000 I'm like, why are we having a win bonus?

00:39:18.000 Knock a guy.

00:39:19.000 For winning, you're paying them double to win.

00:39:22.000 Yeah, well not only that, you're paying these assholes to judge.

00:39:27.000 Yeah, judging is terrible.

00:39:28.000 You're paying people who don't know what the fuck they're watching.

00:39:32.000 I would love, I mean there's some great judges, don't get me wrong, if you're listening and you're a judge and you're great, thank you.

00:39:38.000 There's some terrible judges.

00:39:39.000 And I would like to know how many of them have ever even trained.

00:39:45.000 Probably not many.

00:39:46.000 If you're watching someone, there's some crazy scramble, and some guy almost catches someone with something, and the guy gets away, and almost catches someone, and he gets away, the person who doesn't train, do they even understand how close it was?

00:40:00.000 Yeah, they don't know.

00:40:02.000 How could they know?

00:40:04.000 How could they know?

00:40:05.000 They can't.

00:40:07.000 And sometimes I get in arguments with people about this, too.

00:40:09.000 Another thing is the open scoring.

00:40:13.000 I feel like we need open scoring.

00:40:15.000 I love that idea.

00:40:16.000 I'm like, because as a coach, you go into a fight, and there's certain things that you want to do in certain rounds based on where you are in the fight.

00:40:23.000 The only argument against it is that a guy would coast.

00:40:28.000 But then the other guy would go crazy.

00:40:29.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:40:30.000 I think it would be more exciting to go, oh, he's on the coast.

00:40:32.000 But this is what's happening now.

00:40:33.000 Both fighters are coasting because they thought they won.

00:40:35.000 Right.

00:40:36.000 That's terrible.

00:40:37.000 So both fighters are coasting because they thought they won.

00:40:39.000 You have to be crazy to think that these judges got it right.

00:40:42.000 You have to be crazy.

00:40:43.000 If you won the first two rounds, you're like, I got this.

00:40:46.000 You've got to be crazy.

00:40:47.000 You have no idea what these fucking people say.

00:40:48.000 You never know.

00:40:49.000 They must just be guessing.

00:40:50.000 Yeah.

00:40:51.000 I think sometimes they do.

00:40:52.000 I think they do too.

00:40:53.000 But I'm like, man, if I knew what the score was going into the third round, I would be able to tell you better what you need to do.

00:41:00.000 You know what Douglas Crosby, you know, he's a referee, a judge rather.

00:41:03.000 He told me once they were in the middle of a fight and some woman looked over at him.

00:41:07.000 A guy had another guy in a Kimura and he's like, what is he doing?

00:41:11.000 What is that?

00:41:12.000 Oh my God.

00:41:13.000 What is a Kimura?

00:41:15.000 Oh my god.

00:41:16.000 It's not something crazy.

00:41:17.000 And I mean, these are the guys that are in charge of your life.

00:41:21.000 Your career.

00:41:22.000 Your career, yeah.

00:41:23.000 And especially in MMA. I mean, look, it's terrible in boxing as well.

00:41:26.000 There's terrible decisions in boxing, but this one is insane because it's 50% of your purse.

00:41:31.000 Yeah!

00:41:32.000 The win bonus is 50% in most cases.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, I don't even know why we still do that.

00:41:36.000 I hate it.

00:41:37.000 Why do they still do that?

00:41:38.000 I hate it.

00:41:38.000 Guys fight their heart out.

00:41:39.000 They should get what they're supposed to get paid.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, you should get what you get paid, and the only bonus should be for finishing.

00:41:45.000 The idea that someone's not going to fight hard, like they're not going to fight as hard as they would, guys want to win.

00:41:53.000 Yeah, you want to win.

00:41:54.000 You're there to win anyway.

00:41:55.000 Everybody wants to win.

00:41:56.000 You're not going to fight any harder because there's a win bonus.

00:41:59.000 No.

00:42:00.000 I've never come back to a guy in the corner and be like, hey, listen, you got that win bonus.

00:42:05.000 You got to win this because of the win bonus.

00:42:07.000 No.

00:42:07.000 You want to win anyway.

00:42:08.000 Let me give some advice to fighters, too.

00:42:10.000 Stop asking for those performance bonuses.

00:42:13.000 You're not going to get them when you ask.

00:42:15.000 It just doesn't work that way.

00:42:17.000 Is that what it is?

00:42:18.000 They never get it when they ask.

00:42:20.000 Unless they need...

00:42:22.000 It's obvious.

00:42:24.000 There's some win bonuses where you're like, of course.

00:42:28.000 Connor started that whole thing, didn't he?

00:42:30.000 Did it?

00:42:30.000 I think he did.

00:42:32.000 50 G's, baby!

00:42:33.000 I think he might have been the one to start that.

00:42:35.000 Maybe he did.

00:42:36.000 But again, it was probably a performance where he was going to get it.

00:42:39.000 Yeah, he would have probably got it anyway.

00:42:41.000 He would have probably got it anyway.

00:42:42.000 Some guys do it on Fight Pass prelims, and I'm interviewing them, and I'm like, I wish you didn't say that.

00:42:48.000 You're not going to get this.

00:42:49.000 You mightn't have gotten it if you didn't say nothing.

00:42:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:52.000 It's just, I don't like that either.

00:42:54.000 I feel like the performance bonuses, I'm like, ugh.

00:42:59.000 I think they should give everybody a bonus if you finish because then you're going to get guys looking to finish.

00:43:03.000 That's a great idea.

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 That's a great idea.

00:43:05.000 Having a finish bonus.

00:43:06.000 Yeah.

00:43:07.000 On every fight.

00:43:08.000 Yeah.

00:43:08.000 Every fight.

00:43:09.000 Every fight.

00:43:09.000 If you finish, you get paid what you get paid.

00:43:12.000 Win or loss.

00:43:13.000 And then there's an X amount of dollars for every finish.

00:43:16.000 Yeah.

00:43:16.000 10 grand to finish.

00:43:17.000 20 grand to finish.

00:43:18.000 Whatever it is that you finish.

00:43:19.000 I agree with that.

00:43:20.000 That's great.

00:43:21.000 I think that...

00:43:22.000 I do think that there's a real...

00:43:24.000 I think it's unfair that you don't fix the judging, but yet you also have win bonuses.

00:43:29.000 I think that's unfair.

00:43:30.000 It is.

00:43:31.000 I don't like it.

00:43:33.000 You just told me that story.

00:43:34.000 It breaks my heart to think that these guys are judging and in control of everybody's career and he don't know what a Kimura is.

00:43:40.000 There's a lot of people like that out there.

00:43:42.000 There's a lot of people like that.

00:43:43.000 I mean, we've seen scores where it's just so...

00:43:48.000 This is what I think.

00:43:50.000 I think, first of all, three people is too few.

00:43:52.000 Yeah.

00:43:52.000 I think seven should be the number.

00:43:54.000 That's a good number.

00:43:54.000 Yeah.

00:43:56.000 I would like this.

00:43:57.000 I would like a good number, like seven maybe, but then on top of that, I want an online score.

00:44:03.000 I want to see what people, and I want to get like, you know, just experts.

00:44:09.000 Like get a bunch of fighters to give their input on it.

00:44:12.000 Like have a pool of experts.

00:44:14.000 Yeah.

00:44:15.000 It's like, what did Tyron Woodley think about that fight?

00:44:17.000 Oh, Tyron's watching at home.

00:44:18.000 He felt like it was this.

00:44:20.000 What did Mighty Mouse Johnson think?

00:44:22.000 What did John Jones think?

00:44:23.000 Whoever wants to contribute, who wants to contribute to the pool, have a verified account and say, I'm scoring it at home.

00:44:30.000 It was this.

00:44:31.000 It was that.

00:44:32.000 And then you look at this online pool, like 90% felt it should have gone this way, but the judges went the other way.

00:44:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:40.000 That kind of shit would be very telling.

00:44:42.000 Yeah, and I don't get it.

00:44:44.000 Because we all look at fights and go, alright, that shit was not, that's not how it went.

00:44:49.000 This guy won, but we all know he didn't win that fight.

00:44:52.000 I'm trying to think, what's the most egregious example that you could come up with?

00:44:58.000 Well, I just saw a fight, and where was I? It was Justin Scoggins fought a kid just recently.

00:45:03.000 And I think he got dropped from your seat from that loss.

00:45:06.000 It was a bad decision.

00:45:07.000 Oh, it was a terrible decision.

00:45:08.000 I'm thinking, oh yeah.

00:45:09.000 In fact, I left to get something to drink because I was like, he won that.

00:45:12.000 Scoggins got dropped?

00:45:13.000 Yeah, he just fought in Japan or somewhere.

00:45:16.000 He's good.

00:45:17.000 He got weird style too.

00:45:18.000 Sideways karate style.

00:45:20.000 He's like a small wonder boy that could wrestle.

00:45:23.000 Interesting.

00:45:23.000 They're all from the same area.

00:45:25.000 They do a lot of karate up in the Carolinas.

00:45:27.000 Interesting.

00:45:28.000 Did you see that Robin Black breakdown of the dude?

00:45:31.000 I've always said that one thing that I used to see in sport karate and I used to see in Taekwondo was sliding.

00:45:38.000 Guys knew how to lift up that front leg and slide in.

00:45:41.000 I don't see that a lot in MMA, but if someone was good at it...

00:45:46.000 There was a guy that I used to train with, his name was Larry Jones, and Larry was tall.

00:45:50.000 He was like 6'2", but...

00:45:53.000 His legs went up to his armpits, man.

00:45:56.000 It was crazy.

00:45:57.000 This dude would just fuck people up with his front leg in Taekwondo tournaments.

00:46:02.000 He would just slide across.

00:46:03.000 BAM! He'd just slide across and people just didn't know what to do with that front leg.

00:46:08.000 They were trying to figure out that front leg.

00:46:10.000 And Robin Black, see if you can find this, I think it's on his Instagram.

00:46:14.000 This dude, I don't know who the guy is, I've never seen him fight before, but he slides in with a sidekick.

00:46:19.000 Blam!

00:46:19.000 Slides in again.

00:46:20.000 Blam!

00:46:21.000 And then goes to the guy's face.

00:46:23.000 I mean, he's covering like 15 feet with his one leg up in the air and one leg down, just sliding in with his hips and his momentum.

00:46:31.000 Well, see, that's a unique skill to have.

00:46:32.000 And I gotta tell you, when me and Tyron, we first started training for the Wonderboy fight, we couldn't find anybody that could do that, really.

00:46:39.000 And that's why a lot of people have problems with Wonderboy, because...

00:46:42.000 Oh, yeah, I'll just get a bunch of guys that can strike, but his striking is different.

00:46:46.000 It's different.

00:46:47.000 It's very different.

00:46:47.000 And here's the guy.

00:46:48.000 Look at this.

00:46:49.000 Watch this guy do it.

00:46:50.000 Is it this one?

00:46:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:51.000 Do it from the beginning, though.

00:46:52.000 Well, it's got to reset.

00:46:53.000 Yeah, but just reset it.

00:46:55.000 Watch this guy.

00:46:56.000 Watch how this guy does this.

00:46:57.000 This is crazy.

00:46:59.000 See how he slides?

00:47:01.000 Yeah.

00:47:01.000 Look at this slide.

00:47:02.000 Watch this.

00:47:02.000 Boom!

00:47:04.000 That's some serious sliding.

00:47:05.000 Oh my goodness.

00:47:06.000 Serious coverage.

00:47:08.000 The distance of that, you see a lot in those sport karate guys.

00:47:12.000 Yeah.

00:47:13.000 Especially guys that know how to correctly throw a front leg sidekick.

00:47:17.000 And this dude, whoever this gentleman is, he really knows how to do it.

00:47:20.000 What is his name?

00:47:22.000 I think Jamie Foulding.

00:47:24.000 Jamie Foulding.

00:47:24.000 Yeah, click on his shit.

00:47:26.000 I gotta follow that dude.

00:47:28.000 Oh, he's a jiu-jitsu guy too?

00:47:29.000 Damn.

00:47:31.000 He's going to be tough.

00:47:32.000 Some serious fucking power with that front leg.

00:47:35.000 But he's also, if you watch, go back to that original clip again, you watch what he does when he does it.

00:47:40.000 Watch how he lifts his knee up waist height, which is critical.

00:47:44.000 Because everybody, the people that do it wrong, their knee is low.

00:47:49.000 Their knee is low and they're kicking up.

00:47:51.000 His knee goes high.

00:47:53.000 His knee goes like, when he throws it, it comes off straight.

00:47:57.000 See, look how high his knee is.

00:47:59.000 His knee is, like, up where his hip is, and then as he throws it, he throws it in a straight line.

00:48:04.000 You just get all this power.

00:48:06.000 See, he touches him.

00:48:06.000 And I like how he even delayed.

00:48:08.000 Like, he just hopped, hopped, hopped, hopped.

00:48:09.000 And when he got in range, then he delivered.

00:48:11.000 Yeah, man, I used to see a lot of people in the Taekwondo days that were real good at this, and very few in MMA, until this guy, like, bang!

00:48:20.000 Like, that is a fucking...

00:48:21.000 Look at that stretch on this dude.

00:48:24.000 That's some serious flexibility, too.

00:48:25.000 And to fuck a guy up with a front leg sidekick to the dome like that, that's incredible.

00:48:29.000 But it's the slide that's the most impressive.

00:48:32.000 The distance he covers.

00:48:33.000 If you're not used to that, you think you're okay because you're outside.

00:48:36.000 But you're not even nearly outside.

00:48:38.000 You're right in the wheelhouse.

00:48:39.000 And he doesn't have to change his position.

00:48:41.000 He's not vulnerable to a lot of attacks.

00:48:44.000 Yeah.

00:48:44.000 Being like that.

00:48:45.000 Wonder Boy has an interesting way of doing it.

00:48:47.000 It's a little bit different.

00:48:48.000 Wonder Boy does a slide, but his leg comes up from the ground.

00:48:53.000 He's lifting his foot up, and you're not even sure what it is.

00:48:56.000 And then as he's extending it, it's still low, and then he brings it up.

00:49:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:00.000 He stabs you in the stomach with it, and you're like, what?

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:03.000 The Johnny Hendricks fight's a great example of that.

00:49:06.000 Johnny didn't know what the fuck he was doing.

00:49:07.000 And then Johnny smiled, and then he got roundhouse kicked in the face.

00:49:10.000 Like, what?

00:49:11.000 Well, I'll tell you.

00:49:12.000 I mean, it's just because, like, the way...

00:49:13.000 Like, Johnny came up a little bit later.

00:49:15.000 He came up after I did, but when I was coming up, nobody...

00:49:18.000 You couldn't do karate?

00:49:19.000 Right.

00:49:19.000 No karate.

00:49:20.000 No karate?

00:49:21.000 You did karate?

00:49:22.000 Psst!

00:49:24.000 So, like, that whole stigma towards karate, just, like, it carried on for so long that now, like, if you do karate, you got an advantage because nobody knows how to defend it.

00:49:34.000 Right.

00:49:34.000 Yeah, there's definitely something to some styles.

00:49:37.000 As long as you do the other shit, there's something to some styles of karate.

00:49:40.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 But Conor does a lot of karate.

00:49:42.000 Yeah, you can tell.

00:49:43.000 I mean, you see it in his style.

00:49:44.000 Yeah, when we fought Aldo, he tried a front leg side kick to the thigh and slay it back.

00:49:49.000 But he's got a karate style.

00:49:51.000 He's moving in and out karate-wise.

00:49:52.000 He's not Muay Thai.

00:49:53.000 No, he's very elusive.

00:49:55.000 But when he gets in boxing range, he puts them hands on you like a boxer.

00:49:59.000 Yeah, that's an interesting style.

00:50:00.000 That's an interesting way of doing it.

00:50:02.000 There's a bunch of different ways.

00:50:05.000 That's the beautiful thing about MMA. There's a bunch of different ways to do it, man.

00:50:08.000 There's Ben Askren's way.

00:50:10.000 Just grab ahold of you and gorilla fuck you.

00:50:12.000 Ben is my man too.

00:50:14.000 I love that dude.

00:50:15.000 I've known Ben since before he started fighting.

00:50:17.000 He came and stayed in my house.

00:50:18.000 My dog bit him and shit.

00:50:20.000 Your dog bit him?

00:50:21.000 Yeah, I had a little chihuahua and bit him and shit.

00:50:24.000 But yeah, Ben is my homeboy, man.

00:50:26.000 And I think that I was nervous about him going to the UFC because I was thinking that, you know, they was going to get him too late.

00:50:32.000 Yeah.

00:50:33.000 You know, because like when he, you know, but I think he's still good.

00:50:36.000 He's in his prime.

00:50:36.000 He's never taking any damage.

00:50:38.000 Yeah, he never takes no damage.

00:50:39.000 So I was just nervous that they get him too late.

00:50:41.000 But, you know, Ben has been instrumental in Tyron Woodley's camps.

00:50:45.000 I mean, he's just, his brain is just like we think on the same lines.

00:50:48.000 Well, he's a brilliant guy.

00:50:49.000 He's always sending me book suggestions.

00:50:51.000 Like, he's smart as shit, dude.

00:50:52.000 That guy reads.

00:50:53.000 Yeah.

00:50:53.000 But he's also very analytical in his approach.

00:50:56.000 He's not going to...

00:50:58.000 No disrespect to George Gurgell.

00:51:00.000 George Gurgell abandoned his jiu-jitsu and just started banging.

00:51:03.000 Ben's not...

00:51:04.000 No, no.

00:51:05.000 He's never going to do that.

00:51:06.000 It's never happening.

00:51:07.000 And I like the way he thinks, too.

00:51:09.000 He doesn't spend time away from what he's good at.

00:51:12.000 Yeah.

00:51:12.000 He stays in that realm.

00:51:14.000 Oh, he's always coaching?

00:51:15.000 Yeah.

00:51:15.000 Constantly involved in wrestling.

00:51:17.000 Yeah, he's always coaching kids.

00:51:19.000 But I mean, even Wood himself, we'll go up there.

00:51:23.000 Ben ain't training for nothing.

00:51:24.000 We'll go up and Ben will give Tyron however many rounds he needs.

00:51:28.000 Really?

00:51:29.000 Yeah.

00:51:29.000 You know, most guys, I got to bring in like two, three guys in to get Tyron some work.

00:51:33.000 Ben will give him work, no matter what, no matter what kind of shape he's in.

00:51:37.000 He gives Tyron work.

00:51:38.000 Well, he was talking about if they do open up that 165-pound division, which I guess they're talking about, because there's so much talent in that division.

00:51:46.000 I really think if they moved it to 75 and they had a 65, 75, 85, I think that's better.

00:51:52.000 And then Ben would fight at 65 because he doesn't want to fight Tyron.

00:51:56.000 Him and Tyron are real good friends.

00:51:57.000 But I like a lot of matchups with him.

00:51:59.000 I really love the Robbie Lawler fight.

00:52:01.000 I mean, I know they pulled off that fight because the Anaheim card fell apart.

00:52:05.000 But they're going to fight...

00:52:06.000 Is it on Brooklyn?

00:52:07.000 I think they're fighting March 2nd.

00:52:09.000 Is that what it is?

00:52:10.000 I think so.

00:52:10.000 Is it Robbie and him?

00:52:12.000 I felt like they were going to make that a headliner for a fight night.

00:52:16.000 I felt like I saw Robbie's face...

00:52:21.000 I don't know if that's been solidified.

00:52:22.000 I should just text Ben.

00:52:24.000 Yeah, right.

00:52:26.000 Or text Dana.

00:52:28.000 It's a great matchup, though.

00:52:31.000 That's where you see where Ben fits in against world-class competition.

00:52:35.000 I mean, you'll see where he fits in against world-class competition or see if Robbie is done or not.

00:52:41.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 It's a great fight for both guys.

00:52:44.000 Or if Robbie's still a savage.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:47.000 I like Robbie taking the time off, too.

00:52:50.000 I think that's important for Robbie.

00:52:51.000 I mean, you look at the wars.

00:52:54.000 Wars that I went through.

00:52:55.000 The Carlos Condit fight.

00:52:57.000 The fucking Rory McDonald fight.

00:52:59.000 I mean, good Jesus Christ.

00:53:01.000 I know.

00:53:02.000 Who gets out of that unscathed?

00:53:03.000 Not a single human that's ever lived gets out of that fight unscathed.

00:53:06.000 And he needs time off.

00:53:08.000 Yeah.

00:53:09.000 Yeah, because when you get hit like that and just...

00:53:12.000 He's a savage.

00:53:13.000 He's a fighter.

00:53:13.000 When he was screaming and his lip was split open, I mean, it was like a zipper was open.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:19.000 And he's screaming.

00:53:20.000 And I'm interviewing him after the fight, and I'm like, dude, I can see your teeth.

00:53:24.000 Like, literally, you see his teeth right through his mouth.

00:53:27.000 I mean, right through his lips.

00:53:28.000 Yeah.

00:53:29.000 My God.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, and he didn't give a fuck.

00:53:31.000 No.

00:53:32.000 Stitch it up.

00:53:33.000 No, like, yeah, he's a fighter, man.

00:53:35.000 That's the type of guy, like, hey, get on that bag and throw some meat at you.

00:53:40.000 Well, he used to not even spar, which is really crazy.

00:53:43.000 When he was fighting Strikeforce, he wasn't even sparring.

00:53:46.000 And I asked him about it, he goes, well, I already know how to fight.

00:53:51.000 Questions are over.

00:53:51.000 Thank you.

00:53:52.000 Well, I mean, also, too, you gotta, hey, but you gotta look at it, too, like, where he comes from.

00:53:56.000 Yeah.

00:53:56.000 Like, you know, them dudes in the Midwest don't got no filter.

00:53:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:53:59.000 They just, they was just trying to kick the shit out of each other every sparring practice.

00:54:02.000 That was every practice.

00:54:04.000 Yeah, every practice.

00:54:04.000 The military stays.

00:54:06.000 Just knocking guys out, drag them off the floor until they wake up, and then bring another guy in, and then when they wake up, bring them back in.

00:54:11.000 Bring them back in.

00:54:11.000 Yeah, bring them back in.

00:54:12.000 That's what's really crazy.

00:54:13.000 When guys get KO'd, I remember that from boxing gyms.

00:54:16.000 You'd watch guys get dropped, like, boink!

00:54:19.000 And then they'd be sparring like 10 minutes later.

00:54:21.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:54:22.000 You should be in the hospital.

00:54:24.000 Yeah, right?

00:54:24.000 Do you understand what just happened to your brainstem?

00:54:26.000 See, I don't like that part of the game, you know?

00:54:29.000 And I don't even know if it's even necessary.

00:54:31.000 It's not necessary.

00:54:32.000 It's not necessary.

00:54:32.000 It was ignorance.

00:54:33.000 Because if that guy gets hit again, he could get, like, do you know Joseph Valtellini, after he beat Mark DeBonte in Glory?

00:54:41.000 Mm-hmm.

00:54:41.000 He won.

00:54:42.000 He won the title.

00:54:43.000 He was fucked up for months.

00:54:46.000 He couldn't have any lights on.

00:54:48.000 He had to be in a room.

00:54:49.000 He said that the light from a charger, from a cell phone charger, that little tiny little light would fuck his head up.

00:54:55.000 It'd give him headaches.

00:54:58.000 He had a severe concussion from a fight he won.

00:55:01.000 He got clipped with a giant knee in that fight.

00:55:04.000 And just, boom, sent his head back.

00:55:07.000 And even though he won the fight, he still was fucked up for a long time afterwards.

00:55:14.000 USFC 235 takes shape with two title fights and three ex-UFC champs.

00:55:18.000 So is that on the card?

00:55:19.000 It says it's Jones, Anthony Smith, Tyron versus Kamar Usman, and then Askren and Lawler.

00:55:26.000 Woo!

00:55:27.000 That's it.

00:55:27.000 There we go.

00:55:28.000 Is that March 2nd?

00:55:29.000 Yeah.

00:55:30.000 That's in Vegas, right?

00:55:31.000 Yeah.

00:55:32.000 Goddamn.

00:55:33.000 Pray to the MMA gods.

00:55:34.000 Keep that card together.

00:55:35.000 Keep that A. And then don't forget Pedro Munoz and Cody Garbrandt.

00:55:39.000 Ooh, is that on that fight too?

00:55:40.000 That's on there too, yeah.

00:55:41.000 Wow.

00:55:42.000 Wow.

00:55:43.000 That's a fucking card right there.

00:55:45.000 I know.

00:55:45.000 That's a fucking card.

00:55:46.000 Here's the rest of it.

00:55:48.000 Holly Holm's also on it.

00:55:50.000 Holly Holm, Aspen Ladd.

00:55:52.000 Can't get rid of that ad.

00:55:53.000 Zabit and Jeremy Stevens.

00:55:55.000 Holy shit.

00:55:57.000 Gotta love it.

00:55:59.000 Gotta love it.

00:56:00.000 Mickey Garland, Diego Sanchez.

00:56:02.000 Jesus.

00:56:04.000 Ovin St. Preux and Misha Surkinov.

00:56:06.000 Man, that's a great card.

00:56:07.000 That's a fucking crazy card.

00:56:09.000 That card's bombs away, man.

00:56:11.000 That is a bombs away card.

00:56:14.000 I don't know about Anthony Smith and John Jones.

00:56:18.000 Wow.

00:56:19.000 I wonder why they...

00:56:20.000 I don't even know why they made that fight in the first place.

00:56:23.000 John wants to fight again.

00:56:25.000 Really?

00:56:25.000 Yeah, John's probably like, look, he had to take two years off, no money, all that bullshit, finally gets his title back, he's like, let's keep this ball rolling.

00:56:34.000 And then probably also feels like the best way to get back to his top form is to compete regularly.

00:56:42.000 He gets loose, so he can really show what he can do.

00:56:45.000 Although the fucking pressure that must have been on John from that fight, you know?

00:56:50.000 I mean...

00:56:52.000 Part of me wants to feel bad for him.

00:56:54.000 I mean, there's a lot of pressure on this young man.

00:56:56.000 But then a part of me is like, man, will you stop fucking up?

00:56:58.000 Yeah, it's again, I think it's what we're talking about with fighters.

00:57:04.000 you know they're crazy they're impulsive they're wild they make mistakes they do stupid shit especially if they like to party yeah you add that into the mix i'm like you're gonna make some piss poor decisions man i should have saw the signs i hung out with john this was before he was big time it was in buffalo it was like some small show in buffalo like i don't even know why he was there and like he was just doing like jack daniel's like out the bottle i was like what the But that's also why he's so good.

00:57:33.000 Yeah.

00:57:33.000 Because he's such a wild motherfucker.

00:57:35.000 I mean, there's an ingredient list in great champions.

00:57:41.000 Yeah.

00:57:42.000 And part of it is they just don't give a fuck.

00:57:46.000 Yeah.

00:57:46.000 They just go.

00:57:47.000 And that was what I was saying about Amanda.

00:57:48.000 When you allow her to not give a fuck and don't try to control her.

00:57:53.000 Yeah.

00:57:53.000 She's going to fucking rise to the occasion.

00:57:55.000 Yeah.

00:57:56.000 But the problem is it doesn't work for everybody.

00:57:58.000 Because some people need to be controlled.

00:58:00.000 Because they can't rise to the occasion like that.

00:58:02.000 Right.

00:58:02.000 But when you let them do their thing.

00:58:04.000 Man, he just rise to the occasion.

00:58:06.000 It's funny trying to figure out what is that?

00:58:08.000 What's the right mix?

00:58:11.000 Yeah.

00:58:11.000 It's the right mix of discipline and conditioning, but then just being free, you know?

00:58:16.000 Dominic Cruz brought this up when we were doing commentary.

00:58:18.000 He's like, some guys fight better with like a week's notice.

00:58:22.000 Yeah, no pressure.

00:58:23.000 Just show up and they're good, you know?

00:58:26.000 Some people fight better when they're the underdog.

00:58:29.000 Nobody's thinking they're going to win.

00:58:30.000 They're like, I'll show you, motherfuckers.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:32.000 And you go out there and put on a show.

00:58:33.000 I also think that part of it exists in Amanda, too, is when she's the underdog.

00:58:38.000 It's just less pressure on her.

00:58:40.000 So, again, there's another distraction away.

00:58:42.000 So, she's just like, all right, watch this.

00:58:44.000 I'm the underdog.

00:58:44.000 Watch how I fuck y'all.

00:58:46.000 But when y'all put pressure on me to win this fight easily, I think she can hold back a little bit.

00:58:51.000 Well, she was this favorite against Raquel Pennington.

00:58:54.000 She was a favorite against Raquel, and I think that was one of her best performances.

00:58:57.000 Yeah, but Raquel hung in there a little bit, you know?

00:59:00.000 She did a little bit, but she never threatened.

00:59:02.000 Yeah, Raquel had a round or two.

00:59:03.000 I don't think she did one round.

00:59:05.000 She had a round.

00:59:05.000 You think she won a round?

00:59:06.000 She took Amanda down at one point and had a round.

00:59:09.000 Maybe.

00:59:10.000 I don't think so.

00:59:11.000 I mean, don't get it to me.

00:59:12.000 I don't think Amanda was in trouble or anything.

00:59:16.000 Interesting.

00:59:17.000 I think Amanda won every round.

00:59:19.000 If I'm recalling it correctly, I'd have to go back and look at it, but I remember thinking it was like a slow, steady beatdown.

00:59:26.000 It was.

00:59:26.000 I mean, it was.

00:59:27.000 I mean, it was convincing.

00:59:28.000 It was a pretty easy fight for her, but what's left for her?

00:59:34.000 Especially, like, there's one legit featherweight.

00:59:39.000 Size-wise, it's Megan Anderson.

00:59:41.000 But Megan got exposed a little bit by Holly, you know, because Holly took her down and really dominated her in the clinch and got her kind of to the ground at will.

00:59:49.000 And I'm sure she's tightened up a lot of that, but...

00:59:53.000 Nah, she doesn't.

00:59:55.000 She's too slow.

00:59:56.000 You think so?

00:59:57.000 Yeah.

00:59:57.000 A lot of people don't understand, like, speed is everything in this game, really.

01:00:01.000 More so than size.

01:00:02.000 That's why I was saying about, like, cutting weight.

01:00:03.000 Speed is key in this game, man.

01:00:06.000 A lot of people get exposed when they're not fast enough.

01:00:10.000 And I don't mean necessarily even just speed and physically.

01:00:13.000 It's heavyweight speed physically, but speed and decision making.

01:00:16.000 All that speed is key.

01:00:18.000 And I don't think Megan Anderson is going to have enough speed to deal with Amanda.

01:00:22.000 Well, you also have to think that Megan Anderson, when she fought Holly Holm, that was her UFC debut, right?

01:00:28.000 And That octagon shot is legit as fuck.

01:00:31.000 We've all had it.

01:00:33.000 We've all had it.

01:00:34.000 You see that moment where the bright lights hit you for the first time, and you're like, whoa.

01:00:39.000 And then also, her first fight is against Holly fucking Holmes.

01:00:42.000 I know.

01:00:42.000 Jesus Christ.

01:00:43.000 Yeah.

01:00:44.000 I mean, that's as experienced as you get.

01:00:47.000 I mean, Holly is...

01:00:48.000 What was she, like an 18-time world boxing champion?

01:00:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:52.000 She was like 27-2.

01:00:56.000 Until Amanda knocked out Cyborg, she had the greatest highlight reel KO in a championship fight.

01:01:02.000 Well...

01:01:03.000 Yeah, in a championship fight.

01:01:05.000 Because I think that Jessica Andrade, when she knocked out...

01:01:10.000 Karolina?

01:01:10.000 Karolina Kvalkovich.

01:01:12.000 Yeah.

01:01:12.000 Yeah, that was a bigger knockout than even Holly Holm.

01:01:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:17.000 Right, right.

01:01:17.000 Because it was like one...

01:01:18.000 Well, not bigger.

01:01:20.000 It was right up there.

01:01:21.000 Yeah.

01:01:22.000 It was right up there.

01:01:23.000 But Amanda just took the fucking cake.

01:01:25.000 It was like...

01:01:25.000 She's like, hold my beer.

01:01:29.000 She's like, you think you saw the best women's MMA KO ever?

01:01:31.000 Hold my beer.

01:01:32.000 Yeah.

01:01:33.000 Because it's who she did it to.

01:01:34.000 I know.

01:01:35.000 I know.

01:01:36.000 It's everything.

01:01:39.000 I mean, I ain't gonna lie, man.

01:01:40.000 I was surprised.

01:01:41.000 As much as I love Amanda, I hold her dear to my heart.

01:01:45.000 I was even surprised.

01:01:46.000 Dude, she throws bricks.

01:01:47.000 I know.

01:01:48.000 You know what she's like?

01:01:49.000 She's like a bowling ball on the end of a rope.

01:01:52.000 Yep.

01:01:52.000 Boom!

01:01:53.000 Boom!

01:01:54.000 But have you ever spent time around her and hung out with her?

01:01:57.000 A little bit at the fights when she's not fighting backstage.

01:02:00.000 Very friendly.

01:02:01.000 But this is what I'm saying.

01:02:02.000 A lot of fighters have kind of aggressive personalities.

01:02:06.000 She's nothing like that.

01:02:08.000 She likes to sit at home.

01:02:10.000 She's got Instagram pictures.

01:02:11.000 She's cutting the grass and flip-flops.

01:02:17.000 I mean, she's just so carefree, and she likes to play with her dogs in the backyard.

01:02:22.000 Well, I was upset when she was fighting Ronda that all the promos were about Ronda coming back.

01:02:29.000 Yeah, that pissed her off.

01:02:30.000 I said before that, when Ronda was about to fight Holly Holm, I said that I disagreed with that fight.

01:02:37.000 I said, I really think Amanda Nunes is the most dangerous challenge for Ronda.

01:02:41.000 I said, because Amanda has a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt and her hands are what's really scary.

01:02:46.000 Like, when Ronda has to close the distance to get a hold of you, when she gets you on the ground, she's armbarning you.

01:02:51.000 I felt like Amanda, like, sizes up with her.

01:02:53.000 That's the most dangerous challenge, in my opinion.

01:02:56.000 But then Holly knocked her out.

01:02:58.000 And then when you saw Amanda knock out Ronda, I was like, how did you guys not see this coming?

01:03:06.000 Like, this is not a good matchup.

01:03:07.000 And you spent the entire promo talking about this one person, who's not the champion, who's coming back after a devastating knockout.

01:03:16.000 And then you didn't show anything about the one person who is the champion, who's the first openly gay women's champion in the history of the sport, right?

01:03:26.000 She's the first gay UFC champion.

01:03:29.000 Yep.

01:03:29.000 And she's a fucking destroyer.

01:03:33.000 I mean, she's exciting as shit.

01:03:34.000 And all you're showing is Ronda pacing around her mansion.

01:03:38.000 You know, Ronda getting excited about this fight and thinking I'm going to go out there.

01:03:43.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ.

01:03:44.000 And then backstage, here was what was crazy.

01:03:46.000 I was listening to these agents talk because...

01:03:49.000 Rhonda's fights, one of the things that was interesting about it was she was such a force, such a cult of personality, that she had all these agents and shit around.

01:03:58.000 It was all agentified backstage.

01:04:02.000 So I hear these guys talking, and one agent dork is talking to the other agent dork, and he goes, who's Rhonda fighting?

01:04:09.000 And he's...

01:04:11.000 I'm paraphrasing, but it basically said, I don't know who she is, but she's a victim.

01:04:16.000 Like, I don't know who it is.

01:04:17.000 Let's call her a victim.

01:04:18.000 So they really thought, they had no idea what was going to happen?

01:04:22.000 They had no idea.

01:04:23.000 I mean, look, that's what they were hoping.

01:04:25.000 They were hoping that Ronda wins, because she's this gigantic superstar.

01:04:29.000 Like, if Ronda comes back, beats Amanda Nunes, wins the title back, rematches Holly Holm, beats Holly Holm, yes, she's back!

01:04:37.000 But instead, she gets murked.

01:04:39.000 In 48 seconds.

01:04:41.000 I mean, Amanda just put it on her.

01:04:44.000 And I was saying to them afterwards, I was like, this is what I was telling you.

01:04:46.000 Like, how the fuck are you not promoting her?

01:04:49.000 Like, what she just did.

01:04:50.000 If you put equal time promoting her, now you've got a new star in your hands.

01:04:55.000 Instead, the story is Ronda Rousey got smashed.

01:04:58.000 The story's not...

01:05:00.000 Yeah, that's where they really dropped the ball.

01:05:02.000 Even afterwards, they didn't pick up with Amanda.

01:05:05.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:05:06.000 But it's crazy to me to think that they thought that this was going to be Ronda's comeback to stardom.

01:05:13.000 And I sent you the breakdown.

01:05:14.000 I don't know if you saw it.

01:05:16.000 Because I scout all Amanda's opponents and I do the breakdown.

01:05:19.000 I come up with strategies for her.

01:05:21.000 And after scouting Ronda, I said, this is going to be an easy fight for you.

01:05:24.000 And I told her that.

01:05:25.000 I said, this is going to be easy.

01:05:28.000 And it turned out to be easy.

01:05:30.000 And it just surprises me that they thought that this was going to be the come out party for Ronda.

01:05:34.000 I didn't talk to Dana about it.

01:05:36.000 I told Dana before I thought it was a terrible matchup for Ronda.

01:05:38.000 But that was before the Holly Holm fight.

01:05:40.000 No, no, no.

01:05:40.000 She got this.

01:05:41.000 Well, he was saying...

01:05:42.000 I don't know.

01:05:43.000 He thought that I was saying that Ronda was going to beat Holly.

01:05:47.000 I'm like...

01:05:47.000 I'm not saying that's easy either.

01:05:49.000 That's a tough fight too.

01:05:51.000 But the thing about Amanda is punching power.

01:05:54.000 Holly's not known for her punching power.

01:05:55.000 She's known for her speed, her kicks, her timing, her technique, her toughness.

01:06:01.000 She's known for her athleticism, physical strength.

01:06:03.000 She's known for all those things.

01:06:04.000 She's not known just to go in there and blast girls.

01:06:07.000 Amanda blasts people.

01:06:09.000 She puts them into another dimension.

01:06:11.000 She's different.

01:06:12.000 In that respect, but they didn't concentrate on that at all.

01:06:15.000 I'm like, how are you not concentrating on this destroyer that Ronda's about to face?

01:06:18.000 But show the Misha Tate fight, and people would just be like, Jesus.

01:06:22.000 Yeah.

01:06:22.000 Beats the fuck out of her and then strangles her.

01:06:25.000 You're like, God!

01:06:27.000 I know!

01:06:27.000 That's why it surprised me that they slept on Amanda.

01:06:30.000 I'm like, how?

01:06:30.000 Why are you all sleeping on her?

01:06:31.000 Because it's Hollywood, man.

01:06:33.000 The narrative that they had was Ronda was the best ever, which she was when she was the best.

01:06:39.000 Right.

01:06:39.000 But if you looked at the way she fought Holly, this is my opinion.

01:06:44.000 I feel like there was a million things going on other than just fighting.

01:06:48.000 There's a million things going on.

01:06:50.000 There's movie offers.

01:06:51.000 There's television shows.

01:06:53.000 There's agents and deals and books and all this shit is happening.

01:06:57.000 And then she's with Edmund.

01:06:59.000 She's not an American top team.

01:07:01.000 She's not dealing with a bunch of people that are being 100% honest and people who have a deep background of experience of training world-class mixed martial arts fighters who recognize the holes in her game, the strengths, the weakness.

01:07:14.000 Someone like you who can categorize who she is and how to mold her.

01:07:18.000 There's no great minds behind her orchestrating this.

01:07:22.000 It's just some guy telling her, oh, you're great, you're getting better.

01:07:24.000 And she's holding the mitts, and she looks great on the mitts, and she does look great on the mitts.

01:07:28.000 There's times when she didn't look too bad on the mitts.

01:07:30.000 When she fought Bechco, hey, and she's in Brazil, you're like, damn, she looks like a fucking kickboxer.

01:07:37.000 But there's a big difference between that and then being able to do that on Amanda Nunes.

01:07:43.000 There's a big difference.

01:07:45.000 And you need world-class coaching.

01:07:47.000 You need someone who's going to recognize there's hiccups in what you're doing.

01:07:51.000 There's stages missing.

01:07:54.000 I mean, one of the things that Greg Jackson said when they prepared Holly Holm for her, they said, if you look at how she engages, it's always grab with the left arm.

01:08:04.000 It's always grab with the left arm.

01:08:05.000 And they would just move out to the side.

01:08:07.000 And when she ducked under Ronda's punch and she went to that right side, she's always going to that right side.

01:08:13.000 And then boom!

01:08:13.000 There's that head kick.

01:08:14.000 That might have been one of the funniest moments in the history of the UFC when she ducked that punch and she hit the knee and hit the fence.

01:08:22.000 I ain't gonna lie, that was pretty funny.

01:08:24.000 Well, it was indicative of some serious errors in preparation and also, I think, the way she fought was just so reckless.

01:08:33.000 Champions don't fight like that.

01:08:36.000 But it's understandable.

01:08:38.000 I'm going to say this in her defense.

01:08:39.000 It's understandable because that's who she was at the time.

01:08:42.000 She was the greatest ever.

01:08:43.000 So she didn't expect to ever be in this position.

01:08:46.000 Right.

01:08:47.000 But she had an opportunity to correct it.

01:08:51.000 And she dropped the ball on that.

01:08:53.000 Well, here's the thing about Ronda.

01:08:54.000 She's very smart.

01:08:56.000 She's very, very smart.

01:08:57.000 But she's also very strong-minded and willed.

01:09:01.000 I believe it.

01:09:01.000 And there's probably very few people that can pull her aside and go...

01:09:06.000 You gotta listen to me because you get knocked the fuck out.

01:09:09.000 This is real, okay?

01:09:10.000 You're the greatest ever, of course, but this is not how you do this camp.

01:09:15.000 This is not how you prepare for this person.

01:09:17.000 We need more.

01:09:18.000 We need different things.

01:09:19.000 We don't need you just sparring boxing with people because you're not boxing.

01:09:23.000 You're not going to have these gloves on.

01:09:24.000 We need world-class MMA coaching.

01:09:27.000 We need to figure out how to shoot and land a double.

01:09:30.000 You can't just be grabbing and clenching because that shit doesn't work on everybody.

01:09:35.000 She almost got choked out by Liz Carmuch.

01:09:37.000 Remember that?

01:09:37.000 Yeah, and Liz had her back for that little bit.

01:09:39.000 She was under the chin.

01:09:41.000 Rhonda just gutted it out and got out of it because she's such a great grappler and her neck is so goddamn strong.

01:09:46.000 She gutted it out and made it out of there, but that was dangerous.

01:09:49.000 Her jaw was fucked up after that fight for a long time.

01:09:51.000 Really?

01:09:52.000 Yeah, from just getting cranked.

01:09:54.000 I mean, Liz Karmouche is a gorilla.

01:09:55.000 She is.

01:09:57.000 She's strong.

01:09:58.000 I saw her in the back.

01:09:59.000 I was like, that motherfucking bitch has strong-ass legs.

01:10:01.000 She's strong as fuck.

01:10:03.000 And she almost pulled it off.

01:10:04.000 I mean, she almost pulled it off from that.

01:10:06.000 That headlock position is a very dangerous position, right?

01:10:09.000 You headlock someone and their legs go around.

01:10:12.000 And if that head pops out, they're on your back.

01:10:15.000 It's the worst position if you can't pull it off.

01:10:17.000 Yeah.

01:10:18.000 And that was her thing.

01:10:19.000 Her thing was headlock people flipping to the ground.

01:10:21.000 And it worked on almost everybody.

01:10:22.000 But it's like...

01:10:23.000 Eventually it was going to catch up.

01:10:25.000 Yes.

01:10:25.000 You know, eventually it was going to catch up.

01:10:26.000 Maybe, maybe not.

01:10:27.000 But the thing is you need...

01:10:28.000 Look, you could look at a guy like Mighty Mouse, who we both agree is like the best expression of mixed martial arts talent.

01:10:35.000 That guy does everything.

01:10:36.000 He shoots doubles.

01:10:37.000 He'll ankle pick you.

01:10:38.000 He'll fucking...

01:10:39.000 He'll hit you with a flying armbar.

01:10:40.000 Yeah.

01:10:41.000 He'll do whatever the fuck he wants.

01:10:42.000 He can do everything.

01:10:43.000 You can't have only one approach to success.

01:10:47.000 Because as soon as someone figures out, oh, she grabs with that left arm, I'm just going to get the fuck out of there.

01:10:52.000 I'm not going to be anywhere near that left arm.

01:10:54.000 Right.

01:10:54.000 Well, that's what I was saying about speed, too.

01:10:56.000 When you look at a guy like Mighty Mouse, he's doing all that with speed.

01:11:01.000 And the precision of his technique is just unstoppable.

01:11:06.000 Ridiculous speed.

01:11:06.000 I grabbed him once, just joking around backstage, and he hit me with two knees to the body.

01:11:12.000 I was like, Jesus, man.

01:11:14.000 It was so fast.

01:11:15.000 I was like, my brain is too slow to even calculate that kind of...

01:11:20.000 I was like, oh.

01:11:23.000 Imagine being Henry Cejudo when he fought him and had to experience that in the first fight.

01:11:27.000 Yeah.

01:11:27.000 In particular, realize like, oh, Jesus.

01:11:29.000 I know.

01:11:30.000 But Henry came back.

01:11:32.000 He made an adjustment.

01:11:33.000 But I think in a rematch, I think...

01:11:36.000 DJ beats him in a rematch.

01:11:37.000 Do you think DJ beats him in a rematch?

01:11:39.000 I wonder.

01:11:40.000 Because it was very close.

01:11:41.000 It was a very close win.

01:11:42.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:11:43.000 Again, eventually it catches up to you.

01:11:46.000 Streaks get caught up to him.

01:11:47.000 How did he win?

01:11:48.000 He won by taking him down.

01:11:49.000 He didn't win by dominating him.

01:11:51.000 It's not like Mighty Mouse beat him.

01:11:53.000 He destroyed him.

01:11:54.000 It's like he could...

01:11:56.000 He has a much better chance of finishing Cejudo than Cejudo has of finishing.

01:12:01.000 Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

01:12:02.000 So that's why I think DJ, if they fought again, I think DJ finishes him.

01:12:05.000 The only guy I think gives DJ a problem.

01:12:08.000 You might not know.

01:12:10.000 Who?

01:12:11.000 Well, we haven't seen TJ at 125 yet.

01:12:13.000 Right.

01:12:14.000 But Kyoji Horiguchi.

01:12:16.000 Really?

01:12:16.000 Oh my god.

01:12:17.000 But he beat Horiguchi.

01:12:18.000 He did, yeah, but that was years ago.

01:12:20.000 Really?

01:12:20.000 Yeah, that was years ago.

01:12:21.000 He armbarted.

01:12:22.000 He dominated him and then armbarted him with one second to go.

01:12:25.000 He did, he did, but...

01:12:25.000 Fucked him up.

01:12:27.000 He fucked him up.

01:12:28.000 But this guy's got speed.

01:12:29.000 You coaching Horiguchi?

01:12:31.000 I've worked with him a little bit, but I'm not like his main guy.

01:12:33.000 But this guy's got speed.

01:12:36.000 Unbelievable speed.

01:12:37.000 He's got serious knockout power too.

01:12:38.000 And serious knockout power.

01:12:41.000 I have to see.

01:12:42.000 I believe you because you know your shit.

01:12:44.000 I think he gives DJ. I'm not saying that he will beat him.

01:12:48.000 I'm just saying he could.

01:12:50.000 I thought Scoggins was a real threat.

01:12:52.000 When I first saw Scoggins, I was like this guy.

01:12:55.000 He should have been.

01:12:55.000 I was like this guy with that style, that karate style, but also can wrestle.

01:13:00.000 I think I had to do it more with coaching than anything though.

01:13:03.000 And I hate to say that because he's probably got a coach right now listening.

01:13:05.000 But I really do think that is like maybe not really filling in his holes, you know, because he's got a lot to work with.

01:13:13.000 Like you said, like that karate style, he can wrestle.

01:13:16.000 I'm sure he's got decent submissions, but he's probably got some holes.

01:13:19.000 Coaching is so critical.

01:13:21.000 Coaching can take a guy who could be a journeyman and turn him into a world champion.

01:13:26.000 There's this pivot.

01:13:29.000 The fights you choose, the things you do, when you do them, when to say no to things, when to say yes to things.

01:13:37.000 Yeah, guidance and coaching.

01:13:39.000 But the problem with fighters, man, is they're so damn hard-headed.

01:13:43.000 Yeah.

01:13:43.000 You have to be, right?

01:13:44.000 You have to have crazy beliefs in yourself.

01:13:46.000 Yeah, you do.

01:13:46.000 You have to.

01:13:47.000 Like we were saying earlier, Amanda, she hard-headed sometimes.

01:13:51.000 But that's what got her her success.

01:13:54.000 But most fighters are hard-headed and are in a position to be hard-headed.

01:13:58.000 And that's the hard part.

01:14:00.000 You're trying to tell them, listen, you need to listen to me right now.

01:14:02.000 I'm like, no, I got this.

01:14:03.000 And then their career is just...

01:14:04.000 It's crazy because that's what made them a fighter in the first place, right?

01:14:07.000 Tell everybody else to fuck off.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:14:09.000 Stepfather beat their ass.

01:14:11.000 And they left the house when they were 16. Fuck you, I'll show the world.

01:14:14.000 Some fucking girl dumped them in high school.

01:14:17.000 That's happened to me and shit, bro.

01:14:19.000 That's what happened to me, and then next thing I know, I'm out there and I'm fucking getting in the cage.

01:14:23.000 I feel bad for dudes who didn't get dumped.

01:14:24.000 I do.

01:14:25.000 Why that?

01:14:26.000 Because it's good for you.

01:14:27.000 They taught me a lot, man.

01:14:28.000 I remember my girlfriend in high school dumped me.

01:14:30.000 I was devastated for months.

01:14:33.000 Just devastated.

01:14:34.000 But then I realized, like, what the fuck is wrong with me?

01:14:36.000 And I thought, imagine if I married that girl.

01:14:40.000 Imagine if I had kids with her.

01:14:42.000 And every day was just torture, her bitching at me and controlling.

01:14:48.000 I got light.

01:14:49.000 I got off light.

01:14:50.000 Well, here's one for you then, Joe.

01:14:51.000 Well, same thing happened to me.

01:14:53.000 I got dumped in high school.

01:14:55.000 The girl started dating another dude.

01:14:57.000 I ended up hitting this motherfucker in the head with a wrench.

01:15:01.000 A wrench?

01:15:02.000 Yeah, and I hit the motherfucker in the head with a wrench.

01:15:04.000 Why'd you hit him in the head with a wrench?

01:15:05.000 I don't know.

01:15:05.000 He pissed me off.

01:15:06.000 Oh.

01:15:07.000 He pissed me.

01:15:07.000 He made me so mad.

01:15:09.000 Did he make you mad because he was banging the girl, or did he make you mad on top of that?

01:15:12.000 On top of that.

01:15:13.000 Yeah.

01:15:13.000 So I ended up hitting him, and then I ended up going to jail.

01:15:16.000 Damn.

01:15:16.000 And I ended up doing 52 weekends in jail.

01:15:19.000 Damn.

01:15:19.000 But within that time...

01:15:21.000 Every weekend?

01:15:22.000 Every weekend.

01:15:23.000 I had to go in on Friday for a year, come out on Sunday for a year.

01:15:26.000 So I couldn't leave.

01:15:27.000 I couldn't leave my city.

01:15:29.000 So in that time...

01:15:31.000 I taught myself how to fight.

01:15:32.000 That's why I'm here today.

01:15:33.000 Wow.

01:15:34.000 And during the weekends?

01:15:37.000 No, so during the week, because I couldn't leave, so I would just work.

01:15:41.000 And then me and Paul Rodriguez, he fought Tony D'Souza in UFC 32. Me and him, we taught ourselves how to fight in the backyard watching videotapes.

01:15:49.000 Wow.

01:15:51.000 Tony D'Souza, the originator of the Peruvian necktie.

01:15:54.000 That's where that came from.

01:15:55.000 Is that really where that came from?

01:15:56.000 Yes, he's Peruvian.

01:15:58.000 No kidding.

01:15:59.000 That's where that came from, huh?

01:16:00.000 Yeah.

01:16:01.000 That Peruvian necktie is a motherfucker.

01:16:02.000 That's a great move.

01:16:03.000 That was Tony's shit.

01:16:04.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 I incorporate that in one of my systems, man.

01:16:06.000 I love that move.

01:16:07.000 He's a hell of a grapple.

01:16:08.000 Yeah.

01:16:09.000 Yeah.

01:16:09.000 So he ended up choking out Paul Rodriguez's UFC 32. And that was the night I got knocked out by BJ. Wow.

01:16:16.000 Yeah.

01:16:17.000 But it all happened because I got dumped.

01:16:20.000 Wow.

01:16:22.000 That's crazy.

01:16:23.000 You hit him with a wrench, huh?

01:16:24.000 Yeah.

01:16:25.000 Ouch.

01:16:25.000 Yeah, I know.

01:16:26.000 I ain't proud of it.

01:16:28.000 How old were you?

01:16:29.000 I was 17. Frontal cortex is not even fully formed.

01:16:33.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:16:34.000 You make dumb decisions.

01:16:36.000 You're 17. You're with a girl at 17 for two years.

01:16:39.000 That's half your damn life.

01:16:40.000 I know, right?

01:16:41.000 So you're thinking that's the one.

01:16:43.000 Also, like, the heartbreak, if you're not accustomed to it, like, everybody experiences heartbreak.

01:16:48.000 Somebody breaks up with you, like, oh, I feel like shit.

01:16:51.000 But then you call your friends up, like, come on, man, we'll go out, get a couple drinks.

01:16:54.000 Then you have a couple drinks, like, ah, whatever.

01:16:56.000 And then you get a text from an ex, and you're like, oh, shit, we're back in the game.

01:17:01.000 Yeah, here it goes.

01:17:02.000 And you'll be alright.

01:17:03.000 Yeah, fuck that girl.

01:17:04.000 Yeah, I'm alright.

01:17:05.000 I think it's good to get broken up with.

01:17:07.000 It is.

01:17:07.000 You learn.

01:17:09.000 Also, you learn why you were annoying to her.

01:17:12.000 There's some stupid shit that you're doing that you don't even realize you're doing, but you're doing it, and then it becomes a pattern, and you do it again and again and again, and finally they dump you, and then you get some reflection time.

01:17:22.000 You're like, ugh.

01:17:23.000 Why am I so annoying?

01:17:24.000 Yeah, I remember hearing you talk about that before, about self-reflection and awareness.

01:17:29.000 That's so important, man.

01:17:30.000 It's critical.

01:17:31.000 Being real to yourself and being aware of where you are in relation to everybody else in the world.

01:17:37.000 I try to coach myself.

01:17:38.000 Do you?

01:17:39.000 Yeah.

01:17:39.000 I try to sit down with myself and when I do meditation sessions and shit, I try to pretend that I'm a coach and I'm looking at myself honestly.

01:17:47.000 I was like, all right, dude, you ain't spending nearly enough time doing this.

01:17:51.000 You need to fix that.

01:17:52.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, you're right.

01:17:54.000 No, man, that's great.

01:17:55.000 I might have to start doing that.

01:17:57.000 It's a skill.

01:17:58.000 You have to develop it.

01:18:01.000 Because I think that's part of most people's problems, is that they're not aware of where they are in life.

01:18:08.000 You know, another problem that people have too is momentum.

01:18:11.000 They get caught up in momentum of doing stupid shit, or momentum of being lazy, or momentum of eating bad, or drinking, or whatever it is that's bad.

01:18:21.000 Yeah, they can't break that.

01:18:22.000 You get caught up and you need to stop reflection.

01:18:25.000 And that's one of the reasons why I think meditation is so important.

01:18:29.000 Oh yeah, I meditate every day.

01:18:30.000 Do you?

01:18:31.000 Yeah.

01:18:31.000 How do you do it?

01:18:32.000 What do you do?

01:18:32.000 I lay down and close my eyes.

01:18:36.000 So what I do is I'll start with some self-talk first, just to get me going.

01:18:39.000 Self-talk, positive affirmation statements.

01:18:42.000 Just lay down, quiet, for about 10 minutes.

01:18:45.000 Can you give me an example of what kind of self-talk?

01:18:46.000 What kind of positive affirmation?

01:18:48.000 Just, you know, I appreciate life.

01:18:53.000 I appreciate where I'm at.

01:18:54.000 Yeah.

01:18:56.000 I'm going to keep going.

01:18:58.000 I'm doing, you know, just every day, strive to be better.

01:19:02.000 Or I'll get even more detailed.

01:19:06.000 I try to do a lot of entertainment stuff, so I want to get better at public speaking.

01:19:11.000 So I'll try to talk myself into it.

01:19:13.000 You do a little stand-up.

01:19:13.000 Yeah, I do stand-up.

01:19:14.000 I do every so often.

01:19:15.000 I heard you funny.

01:19:16.000 Ah!

01:19:17.000 I heard you funny.

01:19:17.000 Not at the Dime Bar last time I was there.

01:19:20.000 That's tough.

01:19:20.000 That Dime Bar is sketchy.

01:19:21.000 Is it really?

01:19:22.000 Yeah.

01:19:23.000 Well, good.

01:19:23.000 That makes me feel better.

01:19:24.000 Yeah, Jeremy Piven said the same thing.

01:19:26.000 He said, yeah, I bombed.

01:19:27.000 I was like, not when I was there.

01:19:33.000 I'm intelligent.

01:19:35.000 I'm smart.

01:19:36.000 I'm going to make it.

01:19:37.000 I got this.

01:19:38.000 I'm making lots of money.

01:19:38.000 I try to talk myself into that.

01:19:40.000 And then for the next 20 minutes or so, I just sit in silence and just let all that soak in.

01:19:47.000 Do you concentrate on your breathing?

01:19:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:49.000 Because, you know, if I get distracted, like noise or whatever, I have to center it back to my breathing.

01:19:53.000 Yeah, that's the big one for me.

01:19:55.000 I've tried a bunch of different styles of meditation, but one that I like the best, especially in the tank, is breathing.

01:20:02.000 You bring shorts with you?

01:20:04.000 Today?

01:20:05.000 Yeah.

01:20:05.000 No, but...

01:20:06.000 Have you done the tank?

01:20:08.000 No, what is that?

01:20:08.000 I heard about it.

01:20:09.000 No, I've never done that.

01:20:10.000 You could do it today.

01:20:11.000 Yeah, I want to do the tank.

01:20:12.000 Okay, we'll set it up.

01:20:13.000 I want to do...

01:20:14.000 It's right on here.

01:20:15.000 I'll show it to you afterwards.

01:20:16.000 Somebody said something about some tank.

01:20:17.000 Yeah.

01:20:18.000 What is that?

01:20:18.000 I don't even know what that is.

01:20:19.000 You're going to do it.

01:20:19.000 There's only one guy who's used this tank other than me, unless Jamie's been sneaking here in the middle of the night, is Dan Harris from Good Morning America.

01:20:26.000 He's used it because he's a big meditator, and I set him up with it, but it's amazing.

01:20:31.000 It's a tank that's filled up with—it's a flotation tank.

01:20:33.000 It was made by this guy named John Lilly.

01:20:36.000 Who was a psychedelic adventurer and a pioneer in interspecies communication.

01:20:41.000 He was working on trying to communicate with dolphins.

01:20:44.000 He would take acid and get in the tank and take acid and give dolphins acid.

01:20:48.000 He was out of his fucking mind.

01:20:51.000 Lily was a real trip.

01:20:53.000 You know, his books are amazing.

01:20:55.000 He was like a super genius who was going through his career during this psychedelic revolution, like the Timothy Leary's and all those people of the time.

01:21:06.000 Terence McKenna.

01:21:07.000 And he was trying to figure out a way to separate the mind from the body.

01:21:12.000 And one of the things that he realized is like sensory input.

01:21:16.000 Like you and I are sitting here.

01:21:18.000 Your butt is touching the chair.

01:21:19.000 Your feet are touching the floor.

01:21:20.000 You feel the table.

01:21:22.000 All that stuff, those are signals.

01:21:24.000 Those signals go to your brain.

01:21:25.000 Your brain's processing that.

01:21:26.000 And the analogy that I always make is imagine if you and I were having this conversation, but right over there there was a dude with a jackhammer just...

01:21:33.000 We could still talk, but it would be super distracting, and maybe you wouldn't be able to express yourself the right way, because you would be taking in the input of all that noise.

01:21:41.000 So we'd be like, hey man, let's go talk over there where it's quiet.

01:21:44.000 You go talk over there, and it would be easier, because there'd be no distraction.

01:21:47.000 Well, your whole body's a distraction.

01:21:49.000 Everything's a distraction.

01:21:50.000 Sitting down's a distraction.

01:21:51.000 The lights in this room were a distraction.

01:21:53.000 The fact that Jamie's here, and the table's here, and you're taking into account all the objects around you, and this is all input.

01:22:00.000 Without input, your brain becomes a very different thing.

01:22:04.000 So in the tank, the water is heated to 94 degrees.

01:22:08.000 That's the temperature of the surface of your skin.

01:22:10.000 Then there's a thousand pounds of Epsom salts in the water, which is really good because your body gets the magnesium from that, but also really good because you float like a motherfucker.

01:22:20.000 You lie in that thing and half your body is above the surface of the water.

01:22:24.000 You're just floating because there's so much salt.

01:22:25.000 It's so dense.

01:22:27.000 And then you lay back, and then you close the door.

01:22:29.000 Total darkness.

01:22:30.000 You don't see anything.

01:22:31.000 You open your eyes, just as dark as when you close your eyes.

01:22:34.000 Then total silence.

01:22:35.000 Your ears are underwater.

01:22:37.000 You're just laying there, floating in this water.

01:22:39.000 And once you center, because you kind of wiggle around a little bit because the water's swishing you, because you step into it, and you know, you gotta let the water settle and relax, and then let your arms settle.

01:22:50.000 And you can't tell where the water is and where the air is, because it's all the same temperature.

01:22:54.000 Because the water is the same temperature as your skin.

01:22:56.000 You don't feel the water after a while, and you get relaxed.

01:22:59.000 So then, when I'm in the tank, then I concentrate on my breathing.

01:23:02.000 All I'm concentrating is in with the good, out with the bad.

01:23:06.000 In with the good, out with the bad.

01:23:08.000 I'm just concentrating in, breathing through my nose, out through my mouth.

01:23:16.000 And I'm only letting myself concentrate on the nose.

01:23:18.000 But I don't think about stupid shit.

01:23:20.000 Like, oh, I gotta clean my closet.

01:23:21.000 And I gotta do this.

01:23:23.000 And I haven't been to yoga in a week.

01:23:26.000 But all those thoughts eventually will go away.

01:23:28.000 I just gotta go, don't do that.

01:23:30.000 Don't do that.

01:23:30.000 Don't think about that.

01:23:31.000 Like, man, I need...

01:23:32.000 Think about Lisa, my car's up soon.

01:23:35.000 You can't let those things in.

01:23:36.000 You just gotta think of the breathing.

01:23:38.000 In through the nose, out through the mouth.

01:23:40.000 I never, in all my times of doing this, I've never had a pure experience where I didn't have to fight off those thoughts.

01:23:46.000 Some people think they...

01:23:48.000 One day you'll get to a point where you just...

01:23:50.000 I've never had that.

01:23:52.000 Never been there.

01:23:53.000 I try all the time.

01:23:54.000 But when you have the absence, in the absence of any sensory input, your brain becomes supercharged.

01:24:00.000 You can see your life much more clearly.

01:24:02.000 There's nothing there but you and your thoughts.

01:24:05.000 Your mind is detached from your body.

01:24:07.000 This is what Lilly figured out.

01:24:09.000 He figured out a way to separate the body from the mind.

01:24:13.000 Damn.

01:24:14.000 But you sure I'm afloat?

01:24:15.000 Because you know black people don't swim.

01:24:16.000 Dude, I don't swim either.

01:24:17.000 Oh, really?

01:24:18.000 I sink like a rock.

01:24:19.000 All right, good.

01:24:19.000 Yeah.

01:24:20.000 Dude, I sink like a rock.

01:24:21.000 Do you?

01:24:21.000 Yeah.

01:24:22.000 I barely can tread water.

01:24:24.000 Barely.

01:24:24.000 Even in the ocean, I struggle.

01:24:26.000 Alright, because I ain't trying to die in your tank.

01:24:27.000 You're dense, man.

01:24:28.000 I'm sure you...

01:24:29.000 But that thing is so...

01:24:31.000 There's so much salt in that water.

01:24:32.000 Everybody floats.

01:24:33.000 Everybody floats.

01:24:34.000 Yeah.

01:24:34.000 It's basically like it has to be stirred up every day.

01:24:37.000 There's a pump that constantly circulates it.

01:24:39.000 It's got all these water purification tanks that are attached to it.

01:24:43.000 There's purification filters, rather.

01:24:47.000 The guy who made it is my friend Crash, who runs the Float Lab in Venice, which is the premier distributor of float tanks.

01:24:54.000 They make the best shit on the planet, bar none.

01:24:57.000 He's a mad scientist.

01:24:58.000 When you see the whole setup back there, you realize there's so much salt in it that it has to constantly be recycled and move through.

01:25:05.000 Otherwise, it'll crystallize, and you get these giant salt rocks that you can pull out of there.

01:25:10.000 So it's going to constantly be moving?

01:25:12.000 You're going to float.

01:25:12.000 You'll float.

01:25:13.000 It's going to be beautiful.

01:25:15.000 You'll be like that baby in Nirvana just floating around there.

01:25:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:18.000 You're going to love it.

01:25:19.000 It's amazing.

01:25:19.000 Yeah, I definitely want to try it.

01:25:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:21.000 But I feel like ATT could benefit from having one of those down there.

01:25:26.000 It's a really good thing for fighters.

01:25:28.000 It's a really good thing for relaxing.

01:25:29.000 Like, Epsom salt baths, right?

01:25:31.000 That's giant.

01:25:32.000 For just loosening your muscles and relaxing.

01:25:35.000 Good therapy after you train.

01:25:36.000 That's the more Epsom salts you're ever going to get in a fucking bathtub.

01:25:40.000 That is real Epsom salts.

01:25:42.000 You put that thing around a bunch of fighters, they have staff and shit.

01:25:46.000 One of the Brazilians is going to steal it.

01:25:48.000 Right?

01:25:52.000 ATT has, you guys have dorms too, right?

01:25:54.000 Yeah, we got dorms.

01:25:55.000 That's crazy.

01:25:57.000 Yeah, it's great though.

01:25:58.000 I mean, it's really helpful to the guys because we got, at all times, we got like Brazilians and Dagestani guys and Greg live in there.

01:26:05.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:26:07.000 Yeah.

01:26:08.000 It's amazing.

01:26:09.000 I mean, it's good though, man.

01:26:10.000 I mean, it's the best gym on the planet.

01:26:12.000 Can't complain.

01:26:13.000 But certainly one of them.

01:26:15.000 I mean, in terms of the actual overall facility, I don't think there's another facility like it on Earth.

01:26:21.000 Nah.

01:26:22.000 It's number one, right?

01:26:23.000 In terms of the size.

01:26:24.000 Yeah, size.

01:26:25.000 And all what Dan Lambert has done.

01:26:27.000 Like, fucking God bless Dan Lambert.

01:26:28.000 That guy has put more money into the development of MMA than anybody other than the Fertitta.

01:26:33.000 Yeah, and there's absolutely no doubt about that.

01:26:36.000 I can't think of another guy who has been around as long and has pumped more of his own money into just helping guys.

01:26:41.000 And he's such a good guy.

01:26:43.000 Yeah.

01:26:43.000 He's such a good guy.

01:26:45.000 And a fucking real man.

01:26:47.000 Yeah.

01:26:48.000 Like a man's man.

01:26:49.000 But not just a rich guy that's throwing his money in.

01:26:51.000 He fucking trains.

01:26:52.000 He trains his black belt.

01:26:53.000 Yeah.

01:26:54.000 He's legit.

01:26:54.000 In his house, he had a gym and he used to have all the dudes come over back in the day.

01:26:58.000 More of the Pustamash and Armory Patets would come over.

01:27:01.000 The Noguera brothers would be there training with him.

01:27:03.000 He's legit.

01:27:04.000 He loves it.

01:27:05.000 He legitimately loves the sport.

01:27:07.000 When Amanda won and he was in the cage, he was so happy.

01:27:10.000 He probably shed tears, crying.

01:27:12.000 He's a legit dude, man.

01:27:14.000 He's very legit.

01:27:15.000 But what he's done is amazing because he had an amazing gym already and then he built...

01:27:19.000 This gigantic fucking facility.

01:27:21.000 Built it from the ground up.

01:27:22.000 Specifically for that.

01:27:24.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:27:25.000 He bought the land and built the gym on top of it.

01:27:29.000 Who the fuck does that?

01:27:30.000 Everybody else just goes to a warehouse and goes, yeah, okay, we'll set up the cage over here.

01:27:34.000 No, he designed it.

01:27:36.000 I know.

01:27:36.000 I wish they designed it a little differently, though, because I would like to have seen the pros separated.

01:27:42.000 How so?

01:27:43.000 From, like, general population.

01:27:44.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

01:27:45.000 You know, like, and that's something that might, I mean, it's easy to look back hindsight and say, yeah, it was better if they were separated.

01:27:50.000 But, like, now it's kind of like, you kind of want to separate your pros from, like, you know, five-year-olds taking class, you know.

01:27:56.000 Right, right.

01:27:58.000 You know, Arlovsky walking around with no shirt.

01:28:01.000 This hairy chest bumping into some old lady who's there with her grandson.

01:28:05.000 You look at his nose, you're like, what happened to that guy?

01:28:08.000 It's a bit scary.

01:28:10.000 My selfishness is like, we need to stay on the side.

01:28:15.000 How many regular folks do you have coming into that gym?

01:28:19.000 Like regular folks?

01:28:19.000 Yeah.

01:28:20.000 Oh, I mean it's a whole thing of like regular folks.

01:28:22.000 Really?

01:28:23.000 Yeah.

01:28:23.000 So like classes for little kids?

01:28:25.000 Yeah, classes for little kids.

01:28:27.000 Wow.

01:28:27.000 Regular jujitsu, regular kickboxing.

01:28:29.000 And they're watching guys banging out in the same gym?

01:28:31.000 Well, we do a good enough job of having to bang out sessions in the morning.

01:28:35.000 Oh, okay.

01:28:35.000 But like at night, you know, they're still running, you know, the fighters are still running around acting a fool.

01:28:41.000 Is there good pictures of what it looks like online?

01:28:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:45.000 Google American Top Team, the new gym in particular.

01:28:50.000 Fucking incredible facility, man.

01:28:52.000 Yeah.

01:28:52.000 How much does that shit cost?

01:28:53.000 I don't know.

01:28:55.000 I don't know.

01:28:55.000 It's so expensive.

01:28:57.000 Just to land alone.

01:28:58.000 To think about it.

01:28:59.000 Look at that place.

01:29:00.000 I mean, it's South Florida, too.

01:29:03.000 Yeah, it's expensive as shit.

01:29:05.000 That's an amazing facility too.

01:29:07.000 And they have a giant, look how big the mat space is.

01:29:11.000 Holy shit.

01:29:12.000 Stadium stairs or seats.

01:29:14.000 Yeah.

01:29:14.000 They have a whole strength and conditioning set up down there too, right?

01:29:18.000 Yeah, like on the other end of that, where you see that mat end, the strength and conditioning side over there and kickboxing side.

01:29:23.000 That's amazing.

01:29:25.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what everybody hopes for.

01:29:27.000 I mean, how many people must move down there just to be able to train there?

01:29:32.000 You know, honestly, we don't...

01:29:33.000 I mean, we do get a lot of people that move down there just to train there, but I think we do better with guys who come and just do camp.

01:29:41.000 Really?

01:29:41.000 Yeah.

01:29:42.000 How come?

01:29:42.000 I don't know.

01:29:43.000 I don't know.

01:29:44.000 We just seem to...

01:29:46.000 Because we can provide for them.

01:29:47.000 We have dorms.

01:29:48.000 Right, right.

01:29:49.000 Yeah, so we have dorms.

01:29:50.000 So it seems to work out better for most guys where they live somewhere else and then they want to just come do camps.

01:29:57.000 They come for six weeks.

01:29:58.000 They stay in the dorm for six weeks.

01:29:59.000 We tighten them up.

01:30:01.000 Boom.

01:30:01.000 Yeah.

01:30:02.000 Who does that?

01:30:04.000 A lot of people do that.

01:30:06.000 Well, Robbie was doing that, right?

01:30:07.000 No, Robbie actually moved down.

01:30:08.000 He moved down.

01:30:09.000 Yeah, Robbie moved down.

01:30:11.000 Tyron was doing that, right?

01:30:13.000 Not really.

01:30:13.000 Tyron comes down whenever he feels like it.

01:30:16.000 But he does his camps in Milwaukee.

01:30:18.000 We go to Duke Rufus'.

01:30:20.000 What do you think about him fighting Usman?

01:30:24.000 I like Usman.

01:30:25.000 It's a great fight.

01:30:26.000 Yeah, I've always liked Usman.

01:30:28.000 I like him as a fighter, for sure.

01:30:29.000 I don't know him as a person, but as a fighter, he's fucking terrifying.

01:30:32.000 Yeah, he's super smart.

01:30:34.000 He's really good.

01:30:35.000 He's very versatile.

01:30:37.000 He can do everything.

01:30:38.000 So that's why I think it's more of a challenge than Colby.

01:30:42.000 Yeah.

01:30:43.000 Because Usman brings more to the table.

01:30:45.000 Striking-wise.

01:30:46.000 Power-wise.

01:30:47.000 Power.

01:30:48.000 And the Colby thing, though, was in terms of a marketing fight, I felt like that was a very good fight marketing-wise.

01:30:57.000 Yeah, I think they could have had that fight stand-alone.

01:30:59.000 Yeah.

01:31:00.000 I wonder why they didn't do that.

01:31:02.000 I don't know.

01:31:02.000 I don't think they could have had that fight stand-alone.

01:31:05.000 They didn't need Jon Jones and Anthony Smith.

01:31:07.000 I think Colby talks a lot of shit.

01:31:09.000 I think he doesn't just talk shit when the cameras are on.

01:31:12.000 I bet he talks shit all the time.

01:31:14.000 I don't know.

01:31:15.000 We had Kobe in camp sometimes, and I remember when he first started fighting, and we was always cordial, but now, you know what I'm saying, I don't even talk to him.

01:31:23.000 He goes his way in the gym.

01:31:24.000 We pass each other all the time.

01:31:26.000 Just as awkward.

01:31:28.000 It's like he's talking about my homeboy.

01:31:30.000 He's talking about Tyron.

01:31:31.000 He's dogging him out.

01:31:33.000 But you also know that he's got to do that.

01:31:36.000 But listen, I'll say this too.

01:31:38.000 Even though I know that, I'm still happy for him.

01:31:42.000 I'm happy that he was able to get the success he's gotten.

01:31:45.000 Whether it was from talking or not.

01:31:46.000 He still won the fights.

01:31:48.000 He still beat Dos Anjos.

01:31:49.000 And he beat Dos Anjos convincingly.

01:31:51.000 He still won.

01:31:54.000 He talked a lot and I'm happy for him.

01:31:56.000 But I was just hoping that, you know, it's time to face the music.

01:32:00.000 Yeah.

01:32:00.000 You deserve this ass whooping.

01:32:02.000 Well, I think the UFC offered him Usman.

01:32:06.000 And I think he said no.

01:32:08.000 I think he said he wants to fight Tyron.

01:32:10.000 And they're like, you're not in any position to decide.

01:32:14.000 And even though they had promised him a shot at the title before, Ben Askren said, did you believe Dana White?

01:32:20.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 Askren tweeted to him.

01:32:24.000 I love Ben.

01:32:25.000 He's the most ruthless when it comes to Twitter.

01:32:29.000 Yeah.

01:32:29.000 He's the most ruthless.

01:32:31.000 He's so honest.

01:32:32.000 He's hilarious, too.

01:32:33.000 Check under your skirt, man.

01:32:36.000 Ben will get you.

01:32:39.000 It's a great fight though.

01:32:40.000 Usman and Tyron, I'm not mad at the fight.

01:32:42.000 I do kind of wish that Colby was getting the shot because I want to see that fight and I don't know if I will ever see that fight.

01:32:48.000 Tyron's mad.

01:32:49.000 He doesn't like Colby.

01:32:51.000 He's angry.

01:32:53.000 An angry Tyron is a scary human being.

01:32:56.000 He might be the fastest, hardest hitting 170 pounder that's ever lived.

01:33:01.000 Who the fuck is faster than Tyron?

01:33:04.000 Who the fuck hits harder?

01:33:05.000 You look at his fights with Wonderboy, and Wonderboy recognizes one of the greatest strikers in the sport ever.

01:33:11.000 The only person who got hurt in those fights was Wonderboy.

01:33:14.000 Same thing with Darren Till.

01:33:17.000 Darren Till's a motherfucker on the feet.

01:33:19.000 Tyrant, shut that shit up quick.

01:33:21.000 Blam!

01:33:22.000 One big right hand, drops him, beats the fuck out of him, chokes the shit out of him.

01:33:26.000 Well, here's the thing, man, is that you know it's coming, too.

01:33:29.000 Yep.

01:33:30.000 You just can't prepare for it.

01:33:31.000 Yeah, it's so fast.

01:33:32.000 Yeah, you know it's coming.

01:33:33.000 You're like, here it comes, here it comes.

01:33:34.000 Oh, there it is.

01:33:35.000 Bow!

01:33:35.000 Well, you gotta engage.

01:33:37.000 And the thing about Tyrant, too, is he's intelligent and patient.

01:33:40.000 Yeah.

01:33:40.000 And he'll just hang around on the outside.

01:33:43.000 He'll hang around on the outside.

01:33:43.000 Come on.

01:33:44.000 I know you want to do this.

01:33:45.000 Make a mistake.

01:33:45.000 Yeah, make a mistake.

01:33:46.000 Make a mistake.

01:33:47.000 The Wonderboy fights.

01:33:48.000 People are saying, oh, those fights are boring.

01:33:50.000 You have to fight Wonderboy that way.

01:33:53.000 How else do you fight him?

01:33:55.000 There's not another way to fight him.

01:33:56.000 If you fight him another way, you're gonna lose.

01:33:57.000 This is the way to fight him.

01:33:59.000 You have to fight that way.

01:34:00.000 If you don't fight that way, you get fucked up.

01:34:03.000 If you fight the way...

01:34:05.000 You know, fucking...

01:34:07.000 Jake Ellenberger.

01:34:08.000 Yeah.

01:34:08.000 Yeah, you get wheel kicked in the head.

01:34:11.000 Yeah.

01:34:11.000 Yeah, you fight the way Hendrix fought him.

01:34:13.000 You get fucked up.

01:34:14.000 You get fucked up.

01:34:15.000 Yeah, you gotta fight that way.

01:34:16.000 You gotta stay on the outside.

01:34:17.000 You can't give in to those feints.

01:34:19.000 And he's gonna hit you with them little pity pats and tips and taps because he's trying to tag you and touch you before the big ones come in.

01:34:27.000 Yeah.

01:34:27.000 And he's elusive, and he's clever, and he's a lot quicker than you think.

01:34:32.000 He also bends at the waist like a goddamn cobra.

01:34:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:36.000 He's very good at bending at the waist and then coming back with punches.

01:34:40.000 He's a dangerous fighter.

01:34:42.000 And Woodley fought him the perfect way, and he did it twice.

01:34:44.000 And people are like, oh, that's boring.

01:34:46.000 But that's Wonderboy.

01:34:47.000 That's what it is.

01:34:48.000 You either be exciting and you get fucked up, or you fight in a cautious, intelligent way, and the fans boo.

01:34:56.000 See, I don't...

01:34:57.000 See, Joe, I got you all wrong.

01:34:59.000 How so?

01:35:00.000 I thought you hated Tyron.

01:35:01.000 Why would I hate Tyron?

01:35:02.000 I don't know.

01:35:03.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:35:03.000 Because, like, everybody kind of always had...

01:35:06.000 I think Tyron thinks everybody hates Tyron.

01:35:08.000 Yeah, maybe we talk...

01:35:09.000 You go and listen to the shit I've talked about Tyron.

01:35:11.000 It's all positive.

01:35:12.000 Yeah, we've never actually talked about it, but...

01:35:15.000 But it just seems like everybody wants to jump on him no matter what.

01:35:19.000 No.

01:35:19.000 Not me.

01:35:20.000 No.

01:35:20.000 I think if he's not the greatest welterweight of all time, he's in the running.

01:35:26.000 Because Matt Hughes, I feel like you have to give legend respect to.

01:35:30.000 Because Matt Hughes was the first.

01:35:32.000 Matt Hughes was a powerful wrestler that was the first guy to embrace submissions.

01:35:38.000 You look at when Matt Hughes beat George St. Pierre and he hit him with that far side arm bar, that spin on the counter of the Kimura.

01:35:44.000 That's some high-level shit.

01:35:46.000 That's when he fucked up Frank Trigg twice, took his back and strangled him.

01:35:50.000 Matt Hughes was the first high-level wrestler, tough as shit, strong as a goddamn gorilla, who embraced submissions and did it in a really intelligent and effective way.

01:36:03.000 I feel like he was the first.

01:36:04.000 Yeah, so you got to give him his props.

01:36:06.000 He gets legend props.

01:36:08.000 Then George St. Pierre is number one after that because George St. Pierre was the fucking full package.

01:36:13.000 He could do everything.

01:36:14.000 He figured out how to beat everybody and he beat everybody for a long time.

01:36:19.000 Then there's Woodley.

01:36:20.000 And I feel like, I look at Woodley and George St. Pierre, I feel Woodley matches up very well with George St. Pierre.

01:36:25.000 And I would have loved to see, I think George is still, look, if you look at the way George looked against Michael Bisping, he still looks like he's in his prime.

01:36:32.000 And he hasn't, he didn't, and he fought very well in that fight.

01:36:36.000 And I think his submissions are probably even better.

01:36:39.000 The way he took Michael Bisping's back and choked him, I'm like, motherfucker, still got it.

01:36:44.000 Well, you know, he's working with Donna Hurst, so that guy is a wizard.

01:36:47.000 Wizard.

01:36:48.000 Yeah.

01:36:48.000 That fight, I'm very curious to see.

01:36:51.000 And I feel like if George really wanted to come back with a big challenge and have a big, gigantic, you know, epic super fight, I feel like Tyron Woodley, A, deserves it, and B, matches up with him very well.

01:37:07.000 I mean, that's a very interesting fight to me.

01:37:09.000 The other interesting fight to me with George is Khabib.

01:37:11.000 If he could really get down 155 pounds, which he says he can.

01:37:15.000 That's super interesting.

01:37:17.000 Yeah, I'll say.

01:37:18.000 What do you think about George and Ben?

01:37:20.000 I like that, too.

01:37:21.000 I like Ben against Khabib.

01:37:26.000 I like that.

01:37:27.000 I like that a lot.

01:37:28.000 I like that a lot.

01:37:29.000 Because Ben is bigger, he's strong as shit, and you don't get better wrestling credentials.

01:37:34.000 No.

01:37:34.000 The problem with MMA is you get all these fantasy fights that you want to make, but you can't make them.

01:37:40.000 Yeah.

01:37:40.000 Because...

01:37:42.000 A lot of politics involved.

01:37:43.000 But at least everybody's under the roof, right?

01:37:46.000 Like, before, it was like when Fedor was over in Pride, like, God damn, I want to get him over here.

01:37:50.000 I want to get him over there so bad.

01:37:53.000 But that never happened.

01:37:55.000 You know, and then when he finally made it to Strikeforce, he was kind of...

01:37:59.000 Wasn't the same guy anymore.

01:38:00.000 He had some miles on him.

01:38:02.000 Long fights.

01:38:04.000 Didn't look physically the same as he looked back when he fought Mirko Krokop or Noguera.

01:38:10.000 I mean, he was a goddamn destroyer.

01:38:12.000 Yeah.

01:38:13.000 I always wanted to see him fight in the UFC. I think he could have been UFC champion.

01:38:16.000 I really do.

01:38:17.000 Yeah, back in his prime?

01:38:18.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:38:19.000 Because he was like the first dude that was really like mauling guys.

01:38:23.000 The way he was mauling them with his ground and pound.

01:38:25.000 Yeah.

01:38:26.000 And that's something that I don't think, with the exception of Khabib, nobody else has actually recreated the type of violence that he put when he got on top of people.

01:38:34.000 He would hurl himself into you and throw bombs.

01:38:38.000 He would fuck people up, man.

01:38:40.000 And also could catch submissions in a blink of an eye.

01:38:44.000 Off his back, even.

01:38:46.000 Remember when he fought Randleman?

01:38:48.000 Randleman sent him flying, suplexes him.

01:38:50.000 He lands on his head.

01:38:51.000 He lands on his neck and his shoulder.

01:38:53.000 And then seconds later, he catches Randleman in a Kimura and finishes him.

01:38:57.000 Uh-huh.

01:38:57.000 He's like, watch this.

01:38:58.000 Good for you.

01:39:00.000 That's adorable.

01:39:01.000 Now watch my turn.

01:39:02.000 Yeah.

01:39:03.000 Fedor was the man.

01:39:04.000 It sucks.

01:39:05.000 This generation of MMA fans that we have today don't have that type of history.

01:39:12.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 And they don't know.

01:39:13.000 They don't know the real Fedor.

01:39:15.000 And they see him now in Bellator and just thinking...

01:39:19.000 Yeah, you're not getting a chance to see the real Fedor.

01:39:22.000 You're not seeing Fedor from the early days.

01:39:26.000 Yeah.

01:39:27.000 He was so good.

01:39:29.000 He was so fast, too.

01:39:30.000 Yeah.

01:39:31.000 You know, I mean, he was just...

01:39:33.000 Everything.

01:39:33.000 He had the full package.

01:39:35.000 He could smash you standing up.

01:39:37.000 He could submit you on the ground, ground and pound the fuck out of you.

01:39:39.000 He could do everything.

01:39:40.000 Yeah.

01:39:41.000 And he was just terrifying because he looked like a robot.

01:39:44.000 I know.

01:39:45.000 No expression, no emotion.

01:39:47.000 I was with Jeff Munson when Jeff Munson fought him in Russia.

01:39:51.000 And when Jeff was walking out, it looked like a man walking to his death.

01:39:56.000 I swear to God.

01:39:57.000 And then when they fought, it was the worst beating I've ever seen a human being take.

01:40:01.000 Yeah, Monson took some beatings too, man.

01:40:04.000 And he was getting kicked in like he broke his femur.

01:40:06.000 He was from leg kicks.

01:40:08.000 Really?

01:40:09.000 Yeah, he was getting kicked in the leg so bad and just falling down.

01:40:12.000 Oh, it was a scary night.

01:40:15.000 I felt so bad for Monson.

01:40:17.000 Is Monson in Russian now?

01:40:19.000 Doesn't he speak Russian and he wants to be a communist?

01:40:22.000 He does, right?

01:40:23.000 He does.

01:40:24.000 I'm not sure if that's the term he would use, but he's...

01:40:27.000 Socialist?

01:40:28.000 Yeah, socialist, Marxist, whatever he wants to call himself, but he's in between Russia, England, and South Florida.

01:40:35.000 Really?

01:40:35.000 He bounces around.

01:40:37.000 Is he still fighting?

01:40:38.000 And every so often I'm like, yeah, I got a weird fight and I'm fighting in Russia or I'm fighting in Africa or these weird places where they're fighting.

01:40:46.000 Or he just had a wrestling match against Tim Sylvia.

01:40:50.000 He's doing all this weird stuff that no other human being does.

01:40:54.000 Dude, when he was at the top of the grappling world, he was wrestling a building.

01:40:59.000 Yeah.

01:41:00.000 It was like wrestling a building.

01:41:01.000 He was so jacked.

01:41:02.000 So jacked and he was so good at what he did.

01:41:07.000 He didn't have a diverse skill set, but he'd beat everybody two to nothing.

01:41:11.000 Yeah, you know what he did?

01:41:12.000 He also was one of the first guys to use the north-south choke.

01:41:17.000 But he was so strong.

01:41:19.000 Like, I talked to some Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu guys and I was like, is that legit?

01:41:22.000 He's like, I think he just gooned him.

01:41:24.000 Yeah.

01:41:24.000 He just grabbed his neck and gooned him.

01:41:26.000 Yeah.

01:41:27.000 But then Marcelo Garcia started hitting people with that.

01:41:29.000 And then everybody's like, okay, wait a minute.

01:41:30.000 What's going on here?

01:41:31.000 Yeah.

01:41:32.000 What is this guy doing?

01:41:32.000 And then you realize like, oh, you can, you can, if you just get it in the right way.

01:41:37.000 Right, right, right.

01:41:38.000 You can North-South choke a real black belt.

01:41:41.000 Yeah.

01:41:41.000 You can.

01:41:43.000 Monson was one of the first guys to show that, but he was so big and strong.

01:41:46.000 But he was just squeezing with his sweaty armpit.

01:41:50.000 But we're right, Marcelo Garcia.

01:41:52.000 In fact, Marcelo Garcia taught me how he did it and how he does it, and he showed me the finer details of it.

01:41:58.000 And I was actually working with Hani Yaya yesterday.

01:42:01.000 That guy can squeeze some necks.

01:42:02.000 That guy can squeeze.

01:42:03.000 That guy's got to squeeze.

01:42:04.000 And he was doing it to me yesterday, too.

01:42:05.000 I was like, you got this.

01:42:06.000 He's weird, too, because you look at his body.

01:42:09.000 You're like, how is that guy a grappler?

01:42:11.000 If you look at Monson, you're like, oh, that guy looks like a grappler.

01:42:14.000 Honey Yahya looks like a kid who plays soccer.

01:42:17.000 Not even.

01:42:19.000 He looks like he's never done anything athletic in his life.

01:42:23.000 He's flimsy.

01:42:25.000 His grappling ability, the way he moves.

01:42:29.000 I think he's a black belt under Hickson.

01:42:31.000 Is he really?

01:42:33.000 He's either a black belt under Hickson or he's most certainly coached by Hickson.

01:42:36.000 Because I remember Hickson was with him in some of those early fights.

01:42:39.000 Ah.

01:42:40.000 He worked with Hickson.

01:42:41.000 There was some sort of connection between him and Hickson.

01:42:45.000 But his strangles, in particular, are unbelievable.

01:42:50.000 I've seen him tap out a lot of good guys in the gym.

01:42:54.000 I believe it.

01:42:55.000 A lot of good guys.

01:42:56.000 And it's like, they're just different.

01:42:59.000 You know what it is?

01:43:00.000 It's not that they're different.

01:43:01.000 They do it right.

01:43:02.000 Yeah.

01:43:02.000 You know?

01:43:03.000 They do it right.

01:43:03.000 And also they develop a skill, like whatever it is.

01:43:07.000 You know, some guys just have a triangle.

01:43:09.000 Just stay the fuck out of his guard.

01:43:10.000 The guy just has a triangle that you just can't get.

01:43:13.000 There's certain guys who just get really proficient at one particular maneuver.

01:43:17.000 Yeah.

01:43:18.000 And Hanayaya was like his chokes were just nasty.

01:43:21.000 Yeah.

01:43:22.000 So I'm working with him now on some ground and pound stuff to try to incorporate that into his game.

01:43:27.000 He's in South Florida as well?

01:43:28.000 Yeah, he's in South Florida too.

01:43:29.000 Wow.

01:43:29.000 South Florida.

01:43:30.000 Goddamn hotbed.

01:43:31.000 Now, what do you think about altitude training?

01:43:36.000 I mean, obviously it has to work, right?

01:43:39.000 Yeah.

01:43:39.000 I mean, I tried it.

01:43:40.000 I don't think it worked for me.

01:43:42.000 Maybe I just didn't believe in it at the time, but it has to work because, I mean, I don't know, maybe everybody does it, so it has to work.

01:43:48.000 Seems like it will work scientifically, right?

01:43:51.000 Increases red blood cells.

01:43:52.000 It should work.

01:43:53.000 It should definitely increase your endurance, but TJ Dillashaw disagrees.

01:43:58.000 Really?

01:43:58.000 And he's got incredible endurance.

01:44:00.000 Yeah.

01:44:00.000 And, you know, he works with that Calavita guy.

01:44:03.000 And what their take is, is that your ability to work is compromised when you perform and train at altitude.

01:44:11.000 So even though your body produces more red blood cells, you're not working as hard because you just can't.

01:44:19.000 There's not enough air.

01:44:21.000 So the idea is, I've heard that you should train at sea level, but then sleep at high altitude.

01:44:29.000 And TJ, I believe TJ said that that's not even, they don't even think that's the case anymore.

01:44:34.000 They think you're better off just with all that air, just for recuperation, and just higher work output.

01:44:39.000 Higher work output and heart rate monitoring, and making sure that you're doing like Tabata intervals, things like that, where you recover, and making sure that all that's monitored, that it's done scientifically.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

01:44:55.000 It's hard to go against TJ because I've never even seen him breathe harder to fight.

01:44:59.000 It's incredible.

01:45:00.000 Yeah, so it's hard to go against what he's saying.

01:45:02.000 But I kind of like the idea of that.

01:45:04.000 I mean, I'm kind of an old school guy, so I don't really believe in all the bells and whistles and gadgets.

01:45:10.000 And I guess what TJ's saying is just work harder.

01:45:13.000 Yeah.

01:45:14.000 Well, he does a lot of calisthenics, a lot of explosive stuff, a lot of plyometrics.

01:45:20.000 You ever see the shit that he does down in the garage?

01:45:24.000 No.

01:45:24.000 The guy's name's Calavita, right?

01:45:26.000 Calavita.

01:45:26.000 Sam?

01:45:27.000 Yeah.

01:45:28.000 And he's apparently...

01:45:29.000 I've never worked with a guy or even talked to him, but...

01:45:32.000 Massive respect from so many different fighters that train with him.

01:45:35.000 Aaron Pico's down there with them a lot.

01:45:36.000 Oh, really?

01:45:37.000 Yeah.

01:45:37.000 And this guy is just a master of strength and conditioning.

01:45:40.000 Look, they're doing a bunch of this kind of shit.

01:45:42.000 Jumping over strings and bobbing and weaving under them and Calavita's got them all wearing heart rate monitors.

01:45:53.000 There's no guesswork to the training.

01:45:55.000 The training is all really well thought out and it's all mostly that kind of stuff.

01:46:01.000 Plyometrics, box jumps, medicine ball work, that kind of shit.

01:46:05.000 And, you know, I mean, you can't deny that TJ's in phenomenal shape.

01:46:11.000 And that guy never gets fat, never takes time off.

01:46:14.000 Isn't this in Colorado?

01:46:15.000 No, it's here now.

01:46:16.000 Oh, it's here?

01:46:17.000 Yeah, they have a new gym.

01:46:19.000 They call it the Training Lab, but the word train has the word rain in it, like Mark Munoz style, like rain gym.

01:46:27.000 So T-R-E-I-N, yeah.

01:46:30.000 And they put together a gym.

01:46:33.000 And so he's down here now.

01:46:34.000 And Dwayne goes back and forth, you know, from Colorado to here.

01:46:37.000 Dwayne still has a school in Colorado, and he comes back here to train TJ. So, but who does TJ do work with as far as skill-wise while he's here?

01:46:45.000 I think Munoz and him are doing wrestling.

01:46:47.000 He's got a bunch of people down there, a bunch of jiu-jitsu people.

01:46:50.000 And then also, like I said, Aaron Pico is down there, who's very high level.

01:46:54.000 A bunch of different guys are training him.

01:46:57.000 And I'm really interested to see how he does at 125, how his body does with that massive weight cut.

01:47:05.000 I mean, and this is the one thing I like about TJ is that I don't think he's doing it just because he feels like he's going to be better at 125. I think he's doing it because it's a challenge.

01:47:13.000 Because he's also said he's willing to go up to 145 to fight Max Holloway.

01:47:18.000 So I'm kind of rooting for him.

01:47:19.000 I'd love to see how he performs at 125. He says he can make it, no problem.

01:47:27.000 Wow, that'd be interesting.

01:47:28.000 He's so lean.

01:47:29.000 You look at him now, he's leaner than he's ever looked before.

01:47:31.000 He's shredded now.

01:47:32.000 He looks like he's ready to weigh in now.

01:47:33.000 Really?

01:47:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:47:34.000 You know how guys look so lean when they're weighing in, and then they fill up a little bit when they add water?

01:47:39.000 He looks like that now.

01:47:40.000 Yeah.

01:47:40.000 I mean, whether or not he's got too little body fat?

01:47:44.000 I mean, is there a point of diminishing returns?

01:47:47.000 That's a big question.

01:47:49.000 And that's the way I always see it too.

01:47:50.000 Whenever guys cut too much weight, the returns aren't the same.

01:47:53.000 You're depleting yourself too much.

01:47:54.000 Almost like the same concept.

01:47:56.000 Is that if you are so concerned about your weight, your output as far as skill training and physical training isn't the same.

01:48:03.000 Yeah, look at them there.

01:48:05.000 Shredded.

01:48:07.000 That's yesterday.

01:48:09.000 Shredded.

01:48:13.000 Shredded.

01:48:14.000 Look at that.

01:48:15.000 That's ridiculous.

01:48:16.000 Is he working with somebody on his weight cut or is it just...

01:48:19.000 I think Calavita works with him on that as well.

01:48:21.000 It works with him with nutrition.

01:48:23.000 I mean, that guy is supposed to be a real mad scientist.

01:48:27.000 I need to talk to that gentleman and have him in here.

01:48:29.000 But he's, you know, this is in the garage.

01:48:34.000 They got any videos?

01:48:35.000 Them training together?

01:48:36.000 Yeah, so his nutritional analysis.

01:48:38.000 Oh, this is what he has?

01:48:39.000 Yeah.

01:48:40.000 Set up for it?

01:48:41.000 Oh, he's got an app?

01:48:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:42.000 Jesus.

01:48:42.000 Yep, yep.

01:48:43.000 Jesus!

01:48:44.000 Yeah, become a fat-burning machine.

01:48:46.000 Ooh, I want to be a fat-burning machine.

01:48:50.000 Virtual training.

01:48:51.000 Yeah, I'm interested to see how he performs against Cejudo because Cejudo has a hard time making that weight as well.

01:48:56.000 Yeah.

01:48:57.000 I mean, I can imagine that.

01:48:58.000 UFC made him fight at 135 for a bit because he kept missing weight.

01:49:01.000 I mean, you ever seen the size of his head?

01:49:03.000 It's a big boy.

01:49:03.000 He's got a Tito head.

01:49:04.000 Yeah, he's got a Tito head.

01:49:05.000 He's got a big head, so.

01:49:06.000 It takes a good one.

01:49:07.000 Yeah.

01:49:07.000 You know, those big-headed dudes take a shot.

01:49:09.000 Yeah, yeah, man, listen.

01:49:10.000 But he's, you know, for a wrestler, man, like, he can box.

01:49:15.000 Well, the Wilson Hayes fight.

01:49:16.000 Yeah.

01:49:17.000 And he fought karate style in that.

01:49:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:21.000 I mean, but when you can wrestle that good, you can afford to be in any stance you want because you can always just adjust and revert back to your wrestling position.

01:49:29.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:49:31.000 But that's an interesting fight.

01:49:33.000 I'm looking forward to it.

01:49:33.000 That's next week.

01:49:34.000 I can't wait to that, man.

01:49:35.000 That is next week.

01:49:36.000 That's the 19th, right?

01:49:37.000 Yeah.

01:49:38.000 Are you going out to that?

01:49:39.000 No, that's Brooklyn.

01:49:40.000 Yeah, that's ESPN card.

01:49:42.000 I'm not doing that one.

01:49:43.000 I only do North American pay-per-view now.

01:49:46.000 That's it.

01:49:46.000 Oh.

01:49:47.000 Big timing.

01:49:48.000 Too busy.

01:49:49.000 Too busy?

01:49:50.000 Too busy.

01:49:50.000 Yeah.

01:49:51.000 Shows on the road?

01:49:52.000 It's that.

01:49:53.000 I travel too much as it is.

01:49:54.000 And, you know, I don't want to...

01:49:57.000 I don't want to do that.

01:49:57.000 I don't like going to Australia and shit anymore.

01:50:00.000 I love Australia, but that fucking, that wrecks you for two weeks.

01:50:04.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 I feel you.

01:50:05.000 Yeah.

01:50:05.000 No, I know you.

01:50:06.000 I know you, but I saw you do stand-up in Boston.

01:50:09.000 Yeah, I'm just too busy.

01:50:10.000 When you opened for shop.

01:50:11.000 Oh, that was right?

01:50:11.000 Yeah.

01:50:12.000 That was fun.

01:50:12.000 Yeah.

01:50:13.000 That was fun.

01:50:14.000 I was proud of him, man.

01:50:16.000 Sean's killing it.

01:50:16.000 He's about to do his special.

01:50:18.000 Really?

01:50:18.000 That's why, where I'm going to be on the 19th, I'm going to be with him.

01:50:21.000 He's recording his Showtime special down in San Diego.

01:50:23.000 No kidding?

01:50:24.000 Yeah.

01:50:24.000 Yeah, because I'm like, damn, because he's only done comedy for like a year or something.

01:50:29.000 Two years now.

01:50:30.000 For two years.

01:50:30.000 A little over two years.

01:50:31.000 And I saw him, like, it was like a year ago.

01:50:33.000 Maybe a year ago.

01:50:35.000 And he was doing comedy for a year, and he had an hour show.

01:50:38.000 And it's good.

01:50:39.000 Yeah, and it was good.

01:50:40.000 He's stunning.

01:50:40.000 Yeah, and I'm thinking, like, you know, I've dabbled in it for a couple years, and I got five minutes.

01:50:45.000 Not even.

01:50:46.000 I got a week five.

01:50:47.000 He's out there doing it every night, though.

01:50:49.000 That's the thing.

01:50:49.000 You gotta do it every night.

01:50:51.000 I mean, he's performing with me tonight at the improv.

01:50:53.000 Oh yeah?

01:50:53.000 Yeah.

01:50:54.000 You gotta do it every night.

01:50:55.000 It's like, it's sort of like, you can't be good at jujitsu if you don't have endurance from rolling, right?

01:51:02.000 You gotta roll.

01:51:03.000 You gotta do comedy all the time.

01:51:04.000 You gotta get in that mind zone.

01:51:06.000 There's like a hypnosis zone of stand-up.

01:51:09.000 Yeah, that same thing Jim Norton told me.

01:51:10.000 Yeah.

01:51:11.000 But I mean, my whole thing was like, I'm not really in love with stand-up like that to go out and want to do it every night.

01:51:17.000 You gotta love it.

01:51:18.000 It'll grind you.

01:51:19.000 And when you eat shit, like you bombed at the dime bar, you know what that feels like.

01:51:22.000 Yeah Not a good feeling I'm like Yeah that shit worked One time How come that joke Worked one time Now that shit don't work Well Schaub Treats it like A professional athlete And this is one of the things I say to young comedians when they say, oh, is he doing so good so quick?

01:51:39.000 I won't listen to me.

01:51:40.000 You lazy fuck.

01:51:41.000 You don't even write.

01:51:43.000 You barely perform.

01:51:44.000 You do like the same five minutes over and over again, night after night without any improvements.

01:51:48.000 I go, this guy's treating it like a professional athlete would treat it.

01:51:51.000 That's the difference.

01:51:52.000 Being a funny guy already, he's funny, having a good mind, and then having discipline.

01:51:57.000 Just discipline where you analyze your shit and you work on it and you get better.

01:52:02.000 It's possible.

01:52:03.000 He's on an accelerated program.

01:52:05.000 The most accelerated.

01:52:06.000 I never heard anybody doing an hour special two years in.

01:52:08.000 Yeah, that's why I was like, damn, he's killing it.

01:52:11.000 Killing it.

01:52:12.000 Yeah, and he's cool too, man.

01:52:14.000 He responds to my texts and shit like that.

01:52:16.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:52:17.000 Some people, they get all high.

01:52:19.000 Big time.

01:52:20.000 Yeah, big time.

01:52:21.000 He's a great guy.

01:52:22.000 He's like a genuine good person.

01:52:24.000 Yeah.

01:52:24.000 You look forward to seeing him succeed.

01:52:27.000 Yeah, and I like this.

01:52:28.000 Like you said, it was funny, but it was honest.

01:52:30.000 You know, where he's talking about his career and his life is honest.

01:52:33.000 And a lot of people, you know, aren't willing to be that vulnerable.

01:52:37.000 Right.

01:52:37.000 They want to be the cool guy all the time.

01:52:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:52:39.000 Always trying to be too cool.

01:52:41.000 The cool guy's not funny.

01:52:43.000 It's not funny to be the cool guy.

01:52:45.000 Yeah.

01:52:46.000 That's why, like, that's why, because LA, man, everybody tries to be the cool guy.

01:52:50.000 How do you get away with that?

01:52:53.000 All the actors try to be the cool guy.

01:52:55.000 Or rappers, maybe.

01:52:56.000 Actors and maybe singers and musicians.

01:52:59.000 Maybe they try to be the cool guy.

01:53:00.000 But in the comedian world, there's no room for that.

01:53:03.000 You know, people have paid money to hear you talk.

01:53:05.000 You better have some funny shit to say.

01:53:07.000 If you have some funny shit to say, but you don't have any funny shit to say about you, that seems weird.

01:53:12.000 That seems weird.

01:53:13.000 Yeah, so you gotta be kind of self-deprecating.

01:53:16.000 You gotta open it up.

01:53:18.000 Open up Pandora's box.

01:53:20.000 Let's see those zombies.

01:53:22.000 What's in there?

01:53:24.000 What are the demons?

01:53:25.000 Let them out.

01:53:27.000 Let them out.

01:53:27.000 You know, you can only do so many specials before you let the demons out.

01:53:31.000 And you might be able to get away with one special making fun of stuff outside of you, but you gotta...

01:53:37.000 You have to be able to see everything.

01:53:40.000 If you're going to be a comedian, you're going to keep going.

01:53:43.000 It's how you're looking at the world.

01:53:45.000 And if how you're looking at the world, none of it is reflecting on you?

01:53:48.000 None of it?

01:53:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:53:50.000 If it's reflecting on you and you're funny, you've got to be able to be a fool.

01:53:54.000 You have to be able to be a fool.

01:53:56.000 You have to.

01:53:57.000 Every great comic makes fun of themselves.

01:54:00.000 Yeah.

01:54:01.000 So, I mean...

01:54:02.000 I do more improv shit, you know.

01:54:05.000 Matt Serra always gives me shit for that because I hang out with nerds and fucking improv.

01:54:08.000 Oh, an improv troupe?

01:54:10.000 Yeah, that type of shit.

01:54:11.000 So I do more of that shit.

01:54:12.000 Matt Serra gives you a hard time with that?

01:54:13.000 Oh, my God.

01:54:14.000 Oh.

01:54:17.000 This is a fucking lemon improv troupe.

01:54:21.000 Yeah, he gives you a hard time with that shit.

01:54:24.000 I ain't gonna lie, man.

01:54:25.000 I'm a theater nerd, man.

01:54:26.000 I hang out with little improv nerds and shit, so I do that.

01:54:29.000 But that's why I didn't really dig into stand-up as much.

01:54:32.000 I don't know.

01:54:32.000 For some reason, I was just like, man, I don't got time to be going out there fucking every night getting my fucking teeth kicked in by these audiences.

01:54:39.000 But I know it's necessary and it's part of the process.

01:54:43.000 Yeah, but it's not necessary if you don't want to do it.

01:54:45.000 It's not something everybody should do.

01:54:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:48.000 You tried it.

01:54:49.000 You didn't like it.

01:54:51.000 And it's not that I don't like it, neither.

01:54:52.000 That's the thing.

01:54:53.000 It's like, I don't mind it.

01:54:54.000 Right.

01:54:55.000 But I feel like if you want to be good at it and get to the next level, then you have to fucking go through that process.

01:55:02.000 You would say the same thing to a fighter.

01:55:03.000 If you had a fighter that was coming in like, I like to train, but I don't like to train that much.

01:55:07.000 Like, don't.

01:55:08.000 You're not fighting.

01:55:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:10.000 You gotta love this thing.

01:55:12.000 If you want to be a professional fighter, man, you have to have a singular focus.

01:55:15.000 Like, you have to be really driven and dedicated.

01:55:18.000 And the difference between that is with comedy, yeah, you might get your teeth kicked in, but with fighting, you're going to get your teeth kicked in, like really kicked in.

01:55:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're getting them really fucking banged up.

01:55:29.000 And you have to be able to suffer almost every day in order to get yourself in the kind of condition that you need to be in to fight.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:37.000 You need to have, there's a level of discipline that you need to have to be a professional fighter that's almost unequaled in sports.

01:55:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:47.000 Because it's not just discipline.

01:55:49.000 You have to have great discipline if you want to be a runner.

01:55:51.000 You want to be a marathon runner.

01:55:53.000 Or great discipline if you want to be a professional football player or professional basketball player.

01:55:58.000 But the difference between fighting is you have to have great discipline, but you also are going to get fucked up.

01:56:04.000 You're also going to get your face punched in.

01:56:07.000 You're going to get your liver kicked.

01:56:08.000 Your limbs pulled on.

01:56:10.000 You're going to get your legs thumped with shins slamming into the meat of your leg where everything goes numb.

01:56:18.000 Don't remind me.

01:56:19.000 I don't do that shit no more.

01:56:22.000 I don't do that shit no more.

01:56:24.000 Do your legs go back to normal to the point where you don't feel like you can take it anymore?

01:56:28.000 Yeah, I can't take kicks no more.

01:56:29.000 Isn't that a weird thing?

01:56:30.000 You develop an ability to absorb those.

01:56:33.000 If you watch Robert Van Moosmalen or something like that, Robin Van Moosmalen, that guy will take a leg kick and it doesn't even seem to affect him.

01:56:41.000 Yeah, but when you stop doing it, you can't go back.

01:56:44.000 Right.

01:56:45.000 I mean, do you spar around a little bit?

01:56:47.000 No.

01:56:48.000 I haven't kickbox sparred in forever.

01:56:50.000 I just think getting hit in the head should be something that you should decide, okay, no more of that.

01:56:58.000 There should be a time where you could spar jujitsu and you can keep going pretty much forever.

01:57:03.000 I mean, Ilio was sparring when he was in his 90s.

01:57:05.000 He was still rolling.

01:57:06.000 But striking, at a certain point in time, you've got to stop.

01:57:11.000 Yeah.

01:57:11.000 Yeah, I don't do it.

01:57:13.000 Yeah.

01:57:14.000 I mean, honestly, I barely roll, to be honest with you.

01:57:17.000 Like, I just study, and study, and study the game.

01:57:20.000 Do you work out?

01:57:21.000 A little bit.

01:57:22.000 Like, I mean, I still have to roll at times to try shit.

01:57:25.000 But do you do other kind of workouts?

01:57:26.000 Nah.

01:57:26.000 Nah, nah, I don't know about strength fingers, nah.

01:57:29.000 That happens to a lot of fighters.

01:57:30.000 They stop fighting.

01:57:31.000 I mean, you spent so many years running and doing all this stuff.

01:57:35.000 When you're done, the last thing you want to do is run.

01:57:37.000 In fact, Tyra and Willie, we go to camp and I say, hey, listen, you got to buy me a bike if you want me to go alongside of you while you're running.

01:57:44.000 I ain't running with your ass.

01:57:47.000 It's got to be hard for him to run, too, because he's so thick.

01:57:50.000 Yeah.

01:57:50.000 I mean, he hates running, but I think part of that motivates him to go, this motherfucker made me run.

01:57:56.000 I'm fucking him up.

01:57:57.000 Yeah.

01:57:58.000 How old's Tyron now?

01:58:01.000 35?

01:58:01.000 35. Maybe 36. How many more years do you think he's got left?

01:58:05.000 He be bullshitting.

01:58:07.000 He'd be like, yeah, another three years.

01:58:09.000 I don't think so.

01:58:10.000 You know, his rap career about to take off.

01:58:12.000 You think so?

01:58:13.000 I don't know.

01:58:14.000 I mean, he's the most hustling guy I've ever met.

01:58:17.000 He's always on TMZ. He hustles.

01:58:19.000 He's always doing something.

01:58:20.000 Yeah, the cat hustles.

01:58:21.000 Does he have a podcast?

01:58:23.000 Well, me and him have one together.

01:58:25.000 Do you have one now?

01:58:26.000 Yeah, but we don't ever record.

01:58:30.000 What is it?

01:58:31.000 What's it called?

01:58:32.000 It's The Morning Wood.

01:58:34.000 Oh, okay.

01:58:34.000 I've heard of that before.

01:58:35.000 But we ain't recording in like a year.

01:58:38.000 Oh, wow.

01:58:40.000 Inconsistent.

01:58:42.000 To say the least.

01:58:44.000 That's the number one thing about podcasts.

01:58:45.000 You got to be consistent.

01:58:46.000 Well, yeah.

01:58:47.000 So I do one now with TJ DeSantis called The Beatdown.

01:58:50.000 Okay.

01:58:51.000 And I'm like, dude, let's record.

01:58:52.000 We got to record.

01:58:53.000 Because like you said, consistency is key.

01:58:55.000 It's everything.

01:58:55.000 Yeah.

01:58:56.000 There's too many out there.

01:58:57.000 Yeah.

01:58:58.000 People get bored with you.

01:58:59.000 Yeah.

01:58:59.000 If you don't give them...

01:59:01.000 You got to make them addicted.

01:59:03.000 And the only way to make them addicted is you got to, first of all, be addicted.

01:59:07.000 You got to be enjoying all these conversations because it's the only way that it's contagious.

01:59:14.000 There's no other way.

01:59:15.000 Like, if you're half-assing it or faking it, you really don't want to talk to these people, then that comes through people's ears.

01:59:21.000 They hear that, you know?

01:59:22.000 Like, I always love talking to people.

01:59:24.000 I like, I've always been, like, when I was in the brief amount of time I was in college, the only thing that interested me was psychology.

01:59:30.000 Really?

01:59:31.000 Yeah, I was interested, because I knew my own mind.

01:59:34.000 Like, I got into psychology because, the same reason why I got into philosophy, because I was scared.

01:59:39.000 Scared of fighting.

01:59:40.000 I was like, what's wrong with my brain?

01:59:41.000 Like, why am I always scared?

01:59:42.000 Like, why am I scared before every tournament, scared before all these different things?

01:59:46.000 Like, what?

01:59:46.000 And then I realized everybody's scared.

01:59:47.000 Okay, well, how do people manage that?

01:59:50.000 Is there a right way to think?

01:59:52.000 Because I knew that sometimes I'd go in there with a perfect mindset and I'd win and I'd feel great, and then I couldn't recreate it like two weeks later.

01:59:57.000 I'm like, well, what the fuck is wrong with my head?

01:59:59.000 How do I figure this out?

02:00:01.000 So I always wanted to talk to people and find out what makes you tick.

02:00:05.000 What motivates you?

02:00:07.000 How do you discipline yourself?

02:00:09.000 What are you thinking about when you're pushing yourself?

02:00:11.000 What are you thinking about when you're calm?

02:00:13.000 Do you spend time reflecting on your work?

02:00:15.000 Do you just keep going and keep doing it?

02:00:17.000 Or do you analyze it?

02:00:18.000 What is happening with you?

02:00:20.000 What do you do?

02:00:21.000 So a podcast to me almost came naturally because I'm always talking to people.

02:00:26.000 I'm always trying to get behind the doors of the eyes.

02:00:30.000 What's in there?

02:00:32.000 Jim Norton said that about you too.

02:00:34.000 He's like, it's a great conversationalist.

02:00:35.000 He's blinking and shit.

02:00:37.000 He's blinking.

02:00:40.000 Well, I'm curious.

02:00:43.000 I don't want to just talk.

02:00:44.000 I want to hear people.

02:00:46.000 Sometimes comedians are just waiting for their turn to talk and they're not listening to you.

02:00:51.000 I've always tried very hard to listen to people and try to see where they're coming from, trying to get into their head.

02:01:00.000 So let me ask you this.

02:01:01.000 Did you ever figure it out?

02:01:02.000 What out?

02:01:03.000 Why you couldn't manage those emotions?

02:01:07.000 I was young, first of all.

02:01:08.000 I stopped fighting when I was 21 or 22, somewhere around that range.

02:01:12.000 Between 21 and 22. There was also no future that was a problem, too.

02:01:18.000 It wasn't like I was working towards something.

02:01:20.000 When I was fighting, I stopped in 88, 89, I think, maybe.

02:01:24.000 I had my last kickboxing fights.

02:01:26.000 And there was no...

02:01:28.000 There was no future.

02:01:29.000 There was nowhere to go.

02:01:31.000 Like, kickboxing, you got like $500 for a fight, you got your brains punched in.

02:01:36.000 There was no money in Taekwondo.

02:01:37.000 And then the Olympic scoring system, the Olympics were incredibly corrupt.

02:01:41.000 Like, the scoring was terrible.

02:01:43.000 Especially if you fought a Korean.

02:01:45.000 Oh, good lord.

02:01:46.000 In Taekwondo, you had to beat the living fuck out of them.

02:01:50.000 Or you had to stop them.

02:01:51.000 You had to KO them.

02:01:52.000 And then I was also seeing brain damage.

02:01:55.000 I was seeing people in the gym with brain damage.

02:01:57.000 Especially when I started kickboxing.

02:01:59.000 Because I was spending a lot of time in boxing gyms.

02:02:01.000 I was seeing guys that were slurring and stuttering their words.

02:02:05.000 And they just acted weird.

02:02:07.000 And you see guys that acted different after a KO. They got KO'd.

02:02:11.000 And then you see them just a little bit more distant.

02:02:14.000 A little bit more glassy-eyed and slack-jawed.

02:02:17.000 And you're like, oh, Jesus Christ.

02:02:19.000 Like, you see it.

02:02:19.000 Yeah.

02:02:20.000 I mean, I hate it, man.

02:02:21.000 It breaks my heart every time I see a guy take unnecessary punishment.

02:02:25.000 Yeah.

02:02:26.000 And not even if he's not slurred, just taking unnecessary punishment.

02:02:29.000 Because you know where it leads.

02:02:30.000 I know where it leads.

02:02:31.000 And it really breaks my heart when I see the fans expect it from fighters.

02:02:37.000 Yeah.

02:02:38.000 They don't know what they're watching.

02:02:42.000 They're just watching violence.

02:02:43.000 It's almost like it's not really there.

02:02:45.000 It's not really happening.

02:02:46.000 They don't know what it's like when a guy gets knocked out.

02:02:50.000 For them, it's over.

02:02:52.000 They're going back to the regular life.

02:02:54.000 But for me, I'm going to the hospital with this motherfucker.

02:02:57.000 Who got knocked out.

02:02:58.000 Yeah.

02:02:59.000 And he's got his fucking eyes, you know, busted open.

02:03:02.000 And he's all busted up.

02:03:03.000 Broken orbital bone.

02:03:04.000 And for the next, you know, three or four months, you know, this guy's depressed because he was trying to cater to the fans and put on this exciting fight.

02:03:13.000 Yeah.

02:03:13.000 And yet he went through all this punishment.

02:03:15.000 And that's just then.

02:03:16.000 And then you do that, have a career of that.

02:03:18.000 You're going to be fucked up.

02:03:19.000 Yeah.

02:03:20.000 Yeah.

02:03:21.000 I don't like it.

02:03:23.000 Yeah.

02:03:25.000 It's hard when guys don't know how to get out or where to go when they get out.

02:03:31.000 And it's hard when you see them knowing that they have to get out, but they're still fighting.

02:03:34.000 Yeah, that's the worst, man.

02:03:38.000 I'm always like, damn.

02:03:39.000 What do you do when you have a fighter that you know should stop?

02:03:43.000 I'm pretty honest with them.

02:03:45.000 I'm always honest.

02:03:46.000 I'm always like, man, listen, this ain't for you no more.

02:03:50.000 And I always have to tell them.

02:03:51.000 If I feel like it's going to affect them physically and hurt them by continuing the fight, I tell them, man, you need to stop.

02:03:58.000 And more often than not, they kind of listen.

02:04:00.000 They probably kind of know, right?

02:04:01.000 Yeah, they kind of know.

02:04:02.000 And they just need somebody else to say it.

02:04:04.000 And I'm more willing to tell them.

02:04:05.000 I always try to tell them.

02:04:06.000 But sometimes if they don't want to do it, then I can't really be a part of it.

02:04:11.000 Like when you saw Tito versus Chuck...

02:04:14.000 Yeah, that's one of the, in my opinion, and no disrespect to Chuck, he should do whatever he wants to do.

02:04:23.000 Maybe he enjoys it, maybe he wants to compete, but that was one of the worst examples of a guy who used to be a fucking destroyer.

02:04:32.000 Chuck was a destroyer.

02:04:33.000 You go watch Babalu?

02:04:34.000 Babalu, yeah.

02:04:35.000 Oh, man!

02:04:36.000 Dude.

02:04:37.000 Randleman, KO'd Randleman.

02:04:39.000 KO'd everybody.

02:04:39.000 He was a killer.

02:04:42.000 Chuck was a straight up killer.

02:04:43.000 I remember watching him fight fucking Pele Landy bare knuckle in Brazil.

02:04:48.000 Yeah, when they had the net in the bottom of the ropes.

02:04:50.000 He got knocked down three times with head kicks and still fucked Pele up.

02:04:54.000 Yeah, man.

02:04:56.000 And then to watch him.

02:04:57.000 And then again, another case and scenario where young fighters see him and go, oh, that's an old guy.

02:05:03.000 Yeah.

02:05:03.000 But he shouldn't be fighting.

02:05:05.000 Yeah, he shouldn't be fighting at 50. And he clearly can't take a punch anymore.

02:05:10.000 Like whatever it is, like when Tito connected on him, everything just shut off.

02:05:15.000 You see it just shut off and then Tito smashes him.

02:05:17.000 And we talking about Tito, we're not exactly talking about fucking Anthony Johnson.

02:05:22.000 That's true, but I think Tito's punches are a lot better than they used to be.

02:05:25.000 And I think Perillo, Jason Perillo is a fantastic coach.

02:05:29.000 I think he did an amazing job.

02:05:30.000 And I think Tito, you know, he's just not a natural striker.

02:05:34.000 It's not like his thing.

02:05:35.000 He's a wrestler.

02:05:36.000 But it's the way it happened.

02:05:40.000 Chuck couldn't connect.

02:05:43.000 Everything looked off.

02:05:45.000 His timing, his movement, his balance looked off.

02:05:50.000 And when you talk to people that are...

02:05:54.000 Neuroscientists and they understand what happens to the brain after repeated brain trauma over and over and over again.

02:06:00.000 And then what we're seeing is just in the cage.

02:06:03.000 We don't have no idea how much brain trauma he took in camps.

02:06:06.000 And it's probably pretty significant.

02:06:08.000 Yeah, I would assume.

02:06:10.000 His style was so...

02:06:12.000 He's such a brawler, and he had an iron chin for the beginning of his career.

02:06:15.000 It was just one of the greatest chins of all time.

02:06:18.000 So when it failed him, there was no escape clause.

02:06:23.000 There was no backdoor.

02:06:25.000 This was the style.

02:06:26.000 The style wasn't all of a sudden you're going to be like Mighty Mouse and not get hit and switch stances and become slick.

02:06:32.000 That shit is just not available.

02:06:34.000 And When you saw him with this hampered movement, his balance doesn't seem right.

02:06:41.000 I was watching him hit the pads when they were preparing.

02:06:45.000 I was watching him hit the pads.

02:06:47.000 I was like, what is happening here?

02:06:48.000 His balance looks fucked up.

02:06:51.000 It didn't look right.

02:06:52.000 Even when he's throwing kicks, he threw a kick and then fall back.

02:06:56.000 It didn't look right.

02:06:57.000 Well, I mean, and I feel that even with myself.

02:07:01.000 Like, I don't have the same balance I had when I was 20. Right.

02:07:05.000 And I could imagine him, like, because he probably never even focused on that.

02:07:08.000 Right.

02:07:09.000 He just did it.

02:07:10.000 He was just throwing punches.

02:07:11.000 Right.

02:07:12.000 So for him, like, I watched a video of him shadowboxing.

02:07:16.000 Horrendous.

02:07:16.000 It's rough.

02:07:17.000 Horrendous.

02:07:17.000 But then you go back and watch him when he was the champ.

02:07:20.000 It's like, Jesus Christ, he's a murderer.

02:07:22.000 Damn, I know.

02:07:23.000 I watched him hit the bag and he's like, a fucking murderer.

02:07:26.000 Boom, boom, boom.

02:07:26.000 He had speed, speed, power.

02:07:28.000 Yeah.

02:07:29.000 Just everything.

02:07:30.000 Putting it together.

02:07:30.000 Yeah.

02:07:31.000 And just that style.

02:07:32.000 I mean, the reason why he became such a fan favorite is because you knew Chuck Liddell was coming to kill you.

02:07:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:07:37.000 I mean, he was coming to kill you.

02:07:39.000 And that cage door shut and they said, let's get it on!

02:07:42.000 He just stepped forward and just looking to smash.

02:07:46.000 That was his style.

02:07:47.000 And it was the reason why the UFC became so famous.

02:07:50.000 One of the big reasons why the UFC became so popular was Chuck Liddell.

02:07:54.000 Yep.

02:07:55.000 He was a guy who everybody could identify with.

02:07:58.000 Yeah.

02:07:58.000 And the fan base of the UFC saw themselves in Chuck Liddell.

02:08:04.000 Well, they wished they could be that guy.

02:08:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:06.000 The shaved head, the tattoo.

02:08:08.000 Yeah, shaved head, the mohawk tattoo that was fearless.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:11.000 It was knocking people out and would scream afterwards.

02:08:14.000 Yeah.

02:08:14.000 Yeah, it's like that's what they saw.

02:08:16.000 They said, I want to be that guy.

02:08:18.000 Yeah.

02:08:18.000 And you're right.

02:08:19.000 And that's how the UFC became so popular so fast is with Chuck.

02:08:23.000 Yeah.

02:08:23.000 When you see him now at 50 fighting the way he fought against Tito, you're like, oh, it's so hard to watch.

02:08:29.000 But then on the other hand, it's like, I don't want to tell the guy what to do.

02:08:32.000 He's not going to live forever.

02:08:33.000 If this is what he really enjoys and he wants to do that, maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world for him to keep going.

02:08:39.000 I don't know.

02:08:40.000 I'm not his dad.

02:08:42.000 I'm not him.

02:08:43.000 I don't know what to tell him.

02:08:44.000 I mean, also, you've got to think, he probably does worse things in his life than...

02:08:50.000 Than getting in a cage with an old buddy, you know?

02:08:53.000 You think so?

02:08:54.000 Probably.

02:08:56.000 I mean, I ain't never hung out with the dude, but I'm just saying.

02:08:59.000 But you heard stories.

02:09:01.000 But he, yeah.

02:09:02.000 Yeah.

02:09:03.000 He ain't hanging out at the church.

02:09:05.000 He definitely did his share of partying.

02:09:06.000 Yeah.

02:09:07.000 Which doesn't help.

02:09:08.000 Yeah.

02:09:09.000 Yeah, depending upon what you're partying with, too.

02:09:12.000 You know, I'm sure there's certain substances that are worse than others when it comes to your brain.

02:09:18.000 See, that's why I can't never live in L.A., Staying my ass in Florida.

02:09:23.000 Well, what's in Florida?

02:09:25.000 It's the cocaine capital of the world.

02:09:26.000 I know, man, but...

02:09:28.000 Not as much ecstasy?

02:09:30.000 I don't know.

02:09:31.000 The party scene just seems...

02:09:32.000 It's not the same.

02:09:34.000 Florida?

02:09:35.000 Fucking Florida?

02:09:36.000 Miami's got to have the craziest party scene on the planet.

02:09:39.000 Yeah, you can stay away from that, though.

02:09:41.000 Yeah?

02:09:42.000 Well, you can because of the gym and hanging around with the right people.

02:09:45.000 But whenever I'm down in Miami, I'm like, this is the most chaotic place ever.

02:09:50.000 Yeah, Miami.

02:09:51.000 I never go to Miami.

02:09:53.000 I don't ever go down there.

02:09:54.000 Really?

02:09:55.000 Yeah.

02:09:56.000 It's a fun place.

02:09:57.000 Last time I did a gig there, though, it was right before I was filming my Netflix special.

02:10:01.000 And so we have these Yonder bags.

02:10:03.000 Yonder is a cell phone bag that they use.

02:10:06.000 Well, you have to put your cell phone in this magnetically sealed bag to get into the room.

02:10:10.000 And the only way to use your phone is you got to leave the room.

02:10:12.000 They open the bag for you.

02:10:13.000 They give you your phone.

02:10:14.000 You hold on to your phone the whole time.

02:10:15.000 You have possession of it.

02:10:17.000 But it's sealed in this bag to keep people from texting and filming and all that kind of shit while the show is going on.

02:10:22.000 Every other place, it accentuated the show because it made the show like 10% better because people were just focused.

02:10:28.000 They weren't staring at their phone.

02:10:30.000 They just focused at the show.

02:10:31.000 In Miami, all people kept doing was just getting up to go outside to use their phone.

02:10:37.000 It was like no one sat down, the whole show.

02:10:39.000 They were popping up and moving, popping up and walking.

02:10:41.000 It just made it worse, huh?

02:10:42.000 It made it worse.

02:10:43.000 Yeah, it was one of the few places.

02:10:44.000 Like when Tiffany Haddish, she just bombed in Miami and there was like this big TMZ deal that she bombed there.

02:10:49.000 I'm like, yeah, in Miami, you got to grab those motherfuckers.

02:10:53.000 You got to go, hey!

02:10:54.000 Yay!

02:10:55.000 Here's the show!

02:10:56.000 I tell you though, South Florida is probably the most unfocused place on earth.

02:11:02.000 Nobody's focused on anything.

02:11:04.000 On anything.

02:11:04.000 Nothing.

02:11:05.000 I say if you want to starve to death, open a bookstore in Miami.

02:11:08.000 Yeah.

02:11:10.000 That's true, man.

02:11:11.000 People in Miami, they don't have no football team.

02:11:15.000 They got the Dolphins, but they ain't Miami Dolphins.

02:11:17.000 They don't pay attention.

02:11:19.000 They don't pay attention to the Florida Marlins.

02:11:21.000 They don't pay attention to nothing but having fun and partying.

02:11:23.000 That's all they want to do down there.

02:11:25.000 Dance and fuck.

02:11:25.000 Yep.

02:11:26.000 That's all they do on South Beach.

02:11:28.000 That's it.

02:11:28.000 It's great for that.

02:11:30.000 That's your sport.

02:11:31.000 If you're into dancing and fucking.

02:11:34.000 Miami is the place to be.

02:11:36.000 They got great food.

02:11:37.000 In Miami?

02:11:38.000 Great food.

02:11:40.000 Yeah, fantastic Cuban food.

02:11:41.000 Yeah, Cuban food.

02:11:42.000 Yeah, you're right.

02:11:43.000 There's some great restaurants in Miami.

02:11:45.000 A bunch of great restaurants.

02:11:46.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a great spot.

02:11:48.000 It's just not the best spot for everything.

02:11:52.000 Other than...

02:11:53.000 I think it's not the best spot for anything other than partying and fucking...

02:11:57.000 Partying and fucking and banks, apparently.

02:12:01.000 And eating Cuban food.

02:12:02.000 You ever watch those documentaries on cocaine?

02:12:05.000 The Cocaine Cowboys documentary?

02:12:06.000 No, I've never seen that.

02:12:07.000 Oh!

02:12:09.000 Oh, Dan, you're going to be so happy.

02:12:11.000 You got to watch these.

02:12:12.000 Why?

02:12:13.000 Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. They are some of the greatest fucking documentaries.

02:12:16.000 And you're going to realize why Miami is so fucking bananas.

02:12:22.000 The amount of cocaine that went through Miami.

02:12:24.000 They said that at one point in time, I don't know if it's still the case, but at one point in time, Miami had more banks per capita than anywhere else in the continent.

02:12:31.000 And it's all because the cocaine money was being laundered through Miami.

02:12:35.000 Are you serious?

02:12:36.000 100%.

02:12:36.000 This is all Billy Corbin's documentary.

02:12:39.000 He's got two documentaries.

02:12:40.000 Fantastic documentaries.

02:12:42.000 Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. But one of the things that it talked about is, one year, every single member of the graduating class of the police academy either was murdered or went to jail.

02:12:55.000 Every single member.

02:12:56.000 The entire police academy was corrupt.

02:12:58.000 They were all deeply involved in the drug game.

02:13:01.000 Yeah.

02:13:02.000 Yeah, it was chaos.

02:13:03.000 It was chaos.

02:13:04.000 People were making millions of dollars and burying holes, putting bags of it in their backyard, just digging holes in the backyard and dropping fucking big ol' sacks of money in there.

02:13:14.000 Are you serious?

02:13:14.000 Garbage bags filled with cash.

02:13:16.000 Yeah.

02:13:16.000 Probably still out there.

02:13:17.000 Probably guys died and there's garbage bags filled with cash that they left in their backyard they forgot about because they got shot.

02:13:25.000 Oh yeah.

02:13:26.000 They're great documentaries, man.

02:13:27.000 I need to find out where they lived.

02:13:31.000 I'm going digging.

02:13:32.000 I need a shovel.

02:13:34.000 Just buy some sketchy looking houses and start digging in the backyard.

02:13:37.000 Oh my god.

02:13:38.000 I didn't know it was that crazy.

02:13:40.000 So crazy.

02:13:40.000 I didn't know it was that crazy easy until I watched those documentaries.

02:13:43.000 They're so good.

02:13:44.000 Probably, if I had a top 10 list of documentaries of all time, Cocaine Cowboys is on there.

02:13:49.000 That good.

02:13:50.000 No shit.

02:13:51.000 100% must watch.

02:13:54.000 Yeah.

02:13:54.000 Especially if you look down there.

02:13:55.000 It's on Netflix, right?

02:13:56.000 I'm sure.

02:13:57.000 Is it on Netflix?

02:13:58.000 Cocaine Cowboys?

02:13:59.000 Certainly on iTunes.

02:14:00.000 It's so good.

02:14:02.000 You just go, oh my god.

02:14:04.000 It's like you shut up and you don't know about Griselda.

02:14:07.000 Who's that?

02:14:07.000 Griselda Blanco.

02:14:08.000 She was this bitch that was, she was running everything back then.

02:14:12.000 It was a woman.

02:14:13.000 An evil woman.

02:14:15.000 Evil woman that was running everything.

02:14:17.000 Murderer.

02:14:18.000 Just a straight killer.

02:14:20.000 Hired all these savages to just gun people down.

02:14:24.000 Babies, women, children, everybody dead.

02:14:27.000 Dead.

02:14:28.000 Ruthless.

02:14:29.000 Yeah.

02:14:30.000 So what happened to her?

02:14:31.000 She's dead.

02:14:32.000 She went to jail in Colombia and she got out.

02:14:37.000 They let her out.

02:14:38.000 There was pictures of her with her girlfriend.

02:14:40.000 Sometimes she was a lesbian, sometimes she wasn't.

02:14:42.000 But there was pictures of her with her girlfriend in Bogota after she got released.

02:14:46.000 Like, that lady is responsible for the death of who knows how many fucking people.

02:14:50.000 Millions of dollars moved around in money.

02:14:53.000 Yeah.

02:14:54.000 Yeah, man.

02:14:55.000 It's fucking great documentaries.

02:14:57.000 Great.

02:14:58.000 Oh shit.

02:14:58.000 Can't recommend them enough.

02:14:59.000 Oh yeah?

02:15:00.000 Yeah.

02:15:00.000 I gotta see this.

02:15:01.000 You gotta see it.

02:15:02.000 Yeah.

02:15:03.000 You're gonna text me afterwards.

02:15:04.000 You're gonna go, oh shit!

02:15:06.000 I had no idea.

02:15:07.000 I mean, I knew Miami was bad.

02:15:09.000 I mean, obviously, it's so close to South America, so I'm sure it's gotta be a hub, but I didn't know it was like...

02:15:15.000 Jennifer Lopez is playing her in a movie, isn't she?

02:15:19.000 That movie came out?

02:15:21.000 No.

02:15:22.000 It was.

02:15:23.000 Maybe they didn't make it.

02:15:25.000 Really?

02:15:25.000 Or maybe not yet.

02:15:26.000 She's too hot.

02:15:27.000 Jennifer Lopez?

02:15:28.000 Yeah.

02:15:28.000 To play this girl?

02:15:29.000 Yeah.

02:15:29.000 This girl wasn't hot?

02:15:30.000 Disgusting.

02:15:31.000 Oh, really?

02:15:31.000 No, she was disgusting.

02:15:32.000 She's like Joey Diaz with a wig on.

02:15:39.000 She was evil, man.

02:15:40.000 Oh, no.

02:15:41.000 Super evil.

02:15:42.000 It's just interesting with a whole crime syndicate run by a woman.

02:15:45.000 You know, because you, like, see that in the movie, go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:15:47.000 In the movie.

02:15:48.000 Get the fuck out of here.

02:15:49.000 No, this is real life.

02:15:49.000 But that shit happened for real.

02:15:50.000 It was all the Blanco.

02:15:51.000 Yeah.

02:15:52.000 Damn, who put her in power, though?

02:15:54.000 She killed everybody.

02:15:55.000 In 2016, she was labeled with it, but then 2017, there's articles saying that Catherine Zeta-Jones and her were competing for it.

02:16:02.000 Oh.

02:16:03.000 But it's an HBO TV movie that has yet to be made, so.

02:16:06.000 Oh, okay.

02:16:07.000 Yeah.

02:16:08.000 Pull up a picture of her.

02:16:09.000 The real Griselda Blanco.

02:16:13.000 I'm telling you too much.

02:16:14.000 You need to watch it.

02:16:15.000 You just need to watch it.

02:16:16.000 There she is right there.

02:16:17.000 Joey Diaz with a wig on.

02:16:19.000 Yeah, it is.

02:16:19.000 See?

02:16:21.000 That's her with makeup.

02:16:22.000 Imagine what she looks like in the morning when she's taking a shit.

02:16:25.000 Yeah, that was her boyfriend.

02:16:26.000 He looked like me a little bit.

02:16:29.000 Yeah, he got in trouble because he was banging some chicks while she was in the pokey.

02:16:33.000 Can you blame him?

02:16:33.000 Nope.

02:16:34.000 Nope.

02:16:35.000 Look at her.

02:16:36.000 Evil.

02:16:37.000 Damn.

02:16:37.000 Evil.

02:16:39.000 Evil.

02:16:40.000 They talk to her hitman.

02:16:42.000 Her hitman gets interviewed in the movie from jail and like, you know, talk about like what the rules were and how she how she ran things.

02:16:52.000 The amount of money that those people made, it's just ungodly sums of money.

02:16:56.000 And nobody knew how to get out.

02:16:58.000 Once that money's flowing, and you're making $30 million a week or whatever the fuck you're making, when do you get out?

02:17:04.000 When do you get out?

02:17:05.000 How do you get out?

02:17:06.000 Yeah, you can't get out of that.

02:17:07.000 And if you do get out, who takes over?

02:17:09.000 Yeah.

02:17:09.000 Who takes over distribution?

02:17:11.000 And then everybody, I think, probably just says, ah, next year.

02:17:13.000 Yeah, yeah, next year.

02:17:14.000 This is my last year doing this.

02:17:16.000 Catch bullets.

02:17:18.000 The only way out is death.

02:17:20.000 Yeah.

02:17:20.000 I have a friend, a very good friend, my friend Steve Graham, who did his...

02:17:24.000 He's an ophthalmologist.

02:17:25.000 He did his residency in Miami and was doing his residency in the emergency room in Miami while the cocaine days were going on.

02:17:34.000 He said every day just blown up heads and bullet holes.

02:17:38.000 Cocaine Godmother Review.

02:17:40.000 I think they did.

02:17:40.000 I thought they made it.

02:17:41.000 Brownface casting is just one of many insults in the schlocky Narcos ripoff.

02:17:45.000 What?

02:17:46.000 Oh, that is brownface.

02:17:47.000 That's a...

02:17:48.000 Look at that!

02:17:49.000 That lady's supposed to be Griselda Blanco!

02:17:51.000 That's Catherine Zeta-Jones.

02:17:53.000 That's not Catherine Zeta-Jones, is it?

02:17:55.000 Boy, it doesn't look like her at all.

02:17:58.000 Does it?

02:17:58.000 Yeah, but it doesn't look like the lady at all.

02:18:00.000 At all.

02:18:01.000 You didn't even get fat.

02:18:03.000 No.

02:18:04.000 You didn't even get fat?

02:18:05.000 Come on, man.

02:18:06.000 That's the difference between her and...

02:18:08.000 What's her face from...

02:18:11.000 Who was in Monster?

02:18:12.000 Oh, that's my girl.

02:18:14.000 Charlize Theron.

02:18:15.000 Yeah, Charlize Theron.

02:18:16.000 She got fat.

02:18:17.000 She did it the right way.

02:18:19.000 She played that lady the right way.

02:18:21.000 Wrecked her body.

02:18:23.000 Called Cocaine Godmother.

02:18:26.000 That was a Lifetime movie?

02:18:28.000 A D? How'd you not give it an F? Anything on a Lifetime is a D or a F at least.

02:18:35.000 But I think Catherine Zeta-Jones is Latina.

02:18:37.000 So that's kind of fucked up that they said they whitewashed her.

02:18:41.000 Because isn't she?

02:18:42.000 Isn't Catherine Zeta-Jones from Columbia?

02:18:47.000 I don't know.

02:18:48.000 She's also apparently losing her marbles.

02:18:51.000 Really?

02:18:51.000 Yeah.

02:18:52.000 I read that.

02:18:53.000 See, I don't know about this Hollywood shit, man.

02:18:55.000 That shit scares me, man.

02:18:56.000 I don't know about it either.

02:18:57.000 What?

02:18:57.000 Get out of here, man.

02:18:58.000 I'm on the outside.

02:18:59.000 I noticed that.

02:19:00.000 I'm like, man, this is off in the cut a little bit.

02:19:02.000 She's Welsh.

02:19:04.000 Welsh?

02:19:04.000 Oh, sorry.

02:19:05.000 Sorry.

02:19:05.000 From the United Kingdom.

02:19:07.000 My apologies.

02:19:08.000 Yeah, they whitewashed the shit out of her.

02:19:12.000 Yeah, how could you not give that role to a fat Mexican lady?

02:19:17.000 How could you not?

02:19:18.000 Or a Colombian lady.

02:19:20.000 Find a fat lady.

02:19:21.000 Yeah, why not?

02:19:21.000 The movie didn't work anyway.

02:19:23.000 Here's what you do.

02:19:24.000 You have some stars.

02:19:25.000 You put them in supporting positions.

02:19:27.000 Yeah, and have her play the role.

02:19:29.000 Yeah.

02:19:29.000 I mean, go to Telemundo, that channel, they got many of them on there.

02:19:34.000 Catherine Zeta-Jones is Welsh?

02:19:36.000 That don't even make no sense.

02:19:37.000 I thought she was like Latina.

02:19:40.000 She was so hot when she was young.

02:19:43.000 She's still married to an old boy, what's his name?

02:19:45.000 Michael Douglas.

02:19:46.000 Michael Douglas, yeah.

02:19:47.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:19:49.000 Kabow!

02:19:50.000 Come on, tell me she doesn't look like Colombian or something.

02:19:53.000 She does, right?

02:19:54.000 Yeah.

02:19:55.000 Well, what you gonna do?

02:19:57.000 Yeah.

02:20:00.000 Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

02:20:01.000 You can't do that anymore.

02:20:02.000 That's cultural appropriation, son.

02:20:04.000 What's wrong with that?

02:20:05.000 You can't do it.

02:20:06.000 Yeah.

02:20:06.000 You can't do it, right?

02:20:08.000 No.

02:20:09.000 No.

02:20:10.000 Listen, anything that offends people, man, you need to stay away from it.

02:20:14.000 Just because it's too much work?

02:20:15.000 Yeah, it's just too much work, man.

02:20:17.000 It is.

02:20:17.000 It's just too much work.

02:20:19.000 For me, that's how I feel about it.

02:20:22.000 It's like talking to people about politics.

02:20:26.000 Yeah, I'm done.

02:20:27.000 I'm not talking about this shit.

02:20:28.000 Not interested.

02:20:28.000 And I'm not in a position to tell anybody what can offend them and, you know, snowflake.

02:20:34.000 I'm not going to do that.

02:20:35.000 I ain't going to buy a snowflake.

02:20:36.000 Listen, something's going to offend somebody, but it's just too much work.

02:20:40.000 It's too much work.

02:20:41.000 There's too much, especially for someone like you.

02:20:43.000 You're busy.

02:20:44.000 Yeah, I ain't got time for this shit.

02:20:45.000 You got shit to do.

02:20:46.000 You don't want to be arguing with people all day on Twitter about foreign policy.

02:20:50.000 Yeah.

02:20:52.000 Oh, man.

02:20:53.000 I try to stay off of Twitter, man.

02:20:55.000 Sometimes I'll be in the middle of writing a tweet and I go, I ain't gonna send this shit.

02:20:59.000 Good for you, man.

02:21:00.000 Good for you.

02:21:01.000 More friends than that.

02:21:02.000 Burt Kreischer just deleted his shit.

02:21:04.000 He deleted his shit off his phone.

02:21:06.000 He deleted the app.

02:21:09.000 Twitter?

02:21:10.000 A lot of people are doing that now.

02:21:11.000 I know a lot of people are deleting Twitter and they just don't read it anymore, don't pay attention to it anymore.

02:21:16.000 I go in every now and then, but the way I describe it, it's always like peering into a haunted house.

02:21:21.000 Yeah.

02:21:22.000 What the fuck's going on there?

02:21:23.000 Well, the problem is it puts everybody on the same level.

02:21:26.000 Mm-hmm.

02:21:27.000 So, like, you the shit.

02:21:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:21:29.000 You work your hardest to get something.

02:21:31.000 And then you let these fucking guys just sign in and talk shit to you.

02:21:36.000 Yeah.

02:21:37.000 You know?

02:21:37.000 Right.

02:21:38.000 They don't do nothing.

02:21:39.000 They don't do nothing in life but get on, sign their name in, and just talk shit.

02:21:43.000 There's a lot of that.

02:21:44.000 There's a lot of that.

02:21:45.000 Sometimes someone will talk shit to me and I'm like, who's this guy?

02:21:48.000 I'm like, what is going on with this guy's life?

02:21:49.000 And then I don't get upset, but I will click their profile and I look, oh, they just talk shit to celebrities.

02:21:56.000 Yeah, that's what they do.

02:21:57.000 They talk shit.

02:21:57.000 They talk shit to Nas and to Jay-Z and fucking...

02:22:01.000 You know?

02:22:01.000 But it's horrible.

02:22:02.000 I mean, it's so...

02:22:03.000 Sometimes you just...

02:22:05.000 Like, I see, what's his name?

02:22:06.000 Your boy, Chris D'Elia, right?

02:22:08.000 Chris D'Elia?

02:22:09.000 Yeah, Chris D'Elia.

02:22:09.000 He be on that road to people.

02:22:10.000 He loves talking shit.

02:22:11.000 He loves it.

02:22:13.000 But he's bored!

02:22:15.000 Is that what it is?

02:22:15.000 He doesn't do anything.

02:22:16.000 This is what Chris does.

02:22:18.000 Writes jokes, goes to the gym, talks shit online.

02:22:21.000 All day, he's making little funny videos.

02:22:25.000 He just can't wait to do stand-up.

02:22:27.000 He just wishes comedy clubs were operating at noon.

02:22:30.000 Really?

02:22:30.000 Yeah.

02:22:30.000 Taliyah loves doing stand-up.

02:22:32.000 If comedy clubs were open at noon, he's at the store almost every night of the week.

02:22:36.000 He just can't wait to do stand-up again.

02:22:38.000 Can't wait to go up there and kill.

02:22:40.000 Just the most fun.

02:22:41.000 Really?

02:22:41.000 Yeah, so when he's not doing that, he's talking shit to Logan Paul and fucking this guy and that guy.

02:22:46.000 And he's good, too.

02:22:47.000 So anybody who says anything, he'll crush you.

02:22:49.000 Yeah, he'll crush you.

02:22:51.000 I watch him embarrass Logan Paul.

02:22:54.000 I didn't feel bad for Logan Paul, but I was just like, dude.

02:22:57.000 He'll hurt your feelings.

02:22:59.000 D'Elia will hurt your feelings.

02:23:00.000 He's so good at that.

02:23:01.000 I'm thinking, man, don't you got anything else to do throughout the day?

02:23:05.000 He doesn't.

02:23:06.000 He doesn't read.

02:23:07.000 He's not doing anything.

02:23:08.000 He's not interested in bettering himself at all.

02:23:12.000 He doesn't care.

02:23:13.000 That's just who he is.

02:23:14.000 He just likes being funny, and he likes talking shit.

02:23:17.000 If you look at his videos, he puts videos up on Instagram.

02:23:20.000 They're just funny.

02:23:21.000 They're just him being fucking ridiculous.

02:23:24.000 Him being silly.

02:23:25.000 What's he got going on here?

02:23:26.000 What's he doing here?

02:23:27.000 Talking shit about Coachella.

02:23:28.000 Let me hear it.

02:23:29.000 It's very short.

02:23:30.000 Okay, let me hear this.

02:23:33.000 Bro, the names of the people and the bands playing in Coachella this year are fucking dumb!

02:23:45.000 That's the whole video?

02:23:47.000 That's it?

02:23:48.000 That's so silly.

02:23:49.000 Gary tweeted a lot.

02:23:50.000 People were just like, this is the perfect way to say it.

02:23:52.000 Is it that bad?

02:23:53.000 What is going on with Coachella?

02:23:56.000 Is it bad?

02:23:57.000 Sure.

02:23:57.000 I don't know.

02:23:58.000 Sure.

02:23:58.000 What are the names?

02:24:00.000 I mean, it's just a lot of arguments people are making.

02:24:02.000 It's just like an Instagram concert.

02:24:04.000 People are just going to have pictures.

02:24:06.000 There's always a lot of that, right?

02:24:11.000 Also, someone now.

02:24:13.000 Coachella lineup.

02:24:17.000 What do we got here?

02:24:19.000 Hmm.

02:24:19.000 Who do we got?

02:24:20.000 Childish Gambino.

02:24:22.000 Can't go wrong there.

02:24:23.000 Who are these other people?

02:24:25.000 I don't know who these people are.

02:24:29.000 Kid Cudi?

02:24:30.000 Weezer?

02:24:31.000 I'm trying to see people that I recognize.

02:24:35.000 Ariana Grande.

02:24:36.000 What?

02:24:37.000 I would be really mad if I was DJ Khaled and I saw Ariana Grande's name so much bigger than mine.

02:24:42.000 Oh, that's Cully.

02:24:44.000 Yeah, that's a different one.

02:24:45.000 He's a singer?

02:24:45.000 Yeah.

02:24:46.000 He's a singer.

02:24:46.000 How do you have the same name as the other guy?

02:24:48.000 Because the other one was a DJ. What the fuck?

02:24:50.000 He's like a Cuban DJ. Get on with yourself.

02:24:54.000 Who's Boy Pablo?

02:24:56.000 Pablo.

02:24:57.000 Boy Pablo.

02:24:58.000 Way down there.

02:24:58.000 Tiny little name.

02:24:59.000 And then this dude's smaller name than him.

02:25:01.000 Who's Razor Bumps?

02:25:03.000 I think that's part of what he's maybe laughing at.

02:25:05.000 Razor bumps, that's what you get when you shave your pussy.

02:25:08.000 Don't make that as a name.

02:25:09.000 That's ridiculous.

02:25:13.000 There's U.S. Girls and Men I Trust.

02:25:15.000 They're both also there.

02:25:16.000 Social House?

02:25:17.000 Okay, no disrespect to any of these bands.

02:25:19.000 I'm sure they're really good.

02:25:21.000 But yeah, Chris is right.

02:25:22.000 Hopalong.

02:25:23.000 Superorganism.

02:25:24.000 Oh, Superorganism.

02:25:25.000 They're working again?

02:25:26.000 What?

02:25:28.000 Serpent with feet?

02:25:29.000 Okay, shut this up before I become Chris Talia.

02:25:34.000 Hey, that's music today, man.

02:25:35.000 Everybody had to come out with music these days.

02:25:37.000 A lot of musicians.

02:25:38.000 I'm not in that business.

02:25:39.000 I don't understand it.

02:25:40.000 I have them on here.

02:25:41.000 I don't know how they do it.

02:25:42.000 I'm like, I don't know what you're doing.

02:25:43.000 You have them on here all the time?

02:25:44.000 Musicians?

02:25:45.000 Yeah, musicians all the time.

02:25:45.000 But I'm like, that world is just such a difficult...

02:25:49.000 See, it's so difficult to break through.

02:25:52.000 Like, it seems like the most difficult world to break through.

02:25:54.000 Because of the competition.

02:25:57.000 Everybody thinks they can do it.

02:25:58.000 There's a lot of competition.

02:25:59.000 Especially rappers.

02:26:01.000 You don't have to hold a note.

02:26:02.000 All you have to do is just make shit rhyme.

02:26:03.000 And you don't even really have to do that.

02:26:05.000 Not anymore.

02:26:06.000 They can mumble your way through things.

02:26:08.000 You're right.

02:26:09.000 The rap industry...

02:26:11.000 God.

02:26:12.000 Like, at least in fighting, you can win and keep going.

02:26:15.000 Yeah.

02:26:16.000 Yeah.

02:26:16.000 Yeah, in fighting, you just fuck people up.

02:26:18.000 Yeah.

02:26:19.000 And if you fuck everybody up, you win.

02:26:21.000 Yeah, you win and you're going to be the greatest ever.

02:26:23.000 Nobody has to like you.

02:26:24.000 Yeah.

02:26:25.000 Once they lock that cage door shut, you just fuck that person up.

02:26:28.000 I'm sorry I didn't like you, but I fucked your boy up.

02:26:30.000 Cut and dry.

02:26:31.000 That's what it is.

02:26:32.000 And rap or music industry is like...

02:26:36.000 I'm the best.

02:26:38.000 And then there's a lot of biting, a lot of stealing, stealing raps and stealing rhymes and there's a lot of that in that world too.

02:26:46.000 It's rough.

02:26:47.000 In comedy, if people are laughing, then you keep going then, right?

02:26:52.000 I suppose.

02:26:53.000 Yeah, but also in comedy, there's so many places to work.

02:26:58.000 There's so many comedy clubs.

02:27:00.000 There's so many comedy clubs.

02:27:02.000 Oh, really?

02:27:03.000 So you can work a lot as a comedian?

02:27:04.000 Yeah!

02:27:05.000 You can work every night.

02:27:07.000 You might not get booked as a beginner, but once you get going, you name a guy who's a good comic, like Adam Hunter, perfect example, good comic.

02:27:18.000 That guy works everywhere.

02:27:19.000 Yeah, he's always working.

02:27:20.000 Everywhere.

02:27:21.000 He's always got something going on.

02:27:23.000 And if he was a rapper, he would be fucked.

02:27:27.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:28.000 It's like if you're that level rapper, there's not a lot of options for you.

02:27:32.000 Yeah.

02:27:33.000 Like, where are you gonna work?

02:27:33.000 There's no rap club.

02:27:34.000 I'm gonna go to the rap club, do a five minute set.

02:27:36.000 That shit's not real.

02:27:39.000 You're right.

02:27:40.000 But comedy, yeah.

02:27:42.000 But I didn't know, but I thought it was kind of hard to get put on, though.

02:27:46.000 It's not, well, not for Adam, obviously, because he's pretty successful.

02:27:50.000 But in the beginning, there's plenty of little tiny places and bringer shows where you do a couple minutes.

02:27:56.000 And then once you're good, comedy, one thing about comedians, they help each other.

02:28:02.000 Really?

02:28:03.000 Yeah.

02:28:03.000 I heard it was like the opposite.

02:28:05.000 Where'd you hear that?

02:28:06.000 From Norton?

02:28:06.000 No, no, no.

02:28:07.000 Jim didn't tell me that.

02:28:09.000 It's different than New York.

02:28:10.000 Yeah.

02:28:10.000 Some comedians, they get jealous of other ones that are successful.

02:28:15.000 Yeah, those are the ones that suck.

02:28:17.000 Yeah, okay.

02:28:18.000 That makes sense.

02:28:18.000 The good ones support other ones that are good because you realize you need them.

02:28:22.000 It's almost like you need, if you're in a gym, you need guys that are really good around you to push you.

02:28:28.000 You need that with comedy, too.

02:28:29.000 You need other comedians who are really good.

02:28:31.000 It elevates your idea of what's good.

02:28:35.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

02:28:36.000 Yeah, I think in general, comedians are probably one of the more supportive of all art forms.

02:28:41.000 One of the more supportive of other people that are doing it.

02:28:45.000 I would hope so, because it's such a world where it should be comedian against the audience, it seems like.

02:28:52.000 So you kind of need people to support you and have your back and go, man, don't worry about that one.

02:28:57.000 Also, as long as no one's stealing from you, when they're on stage...

02:29:01.000 You're not.

02:29:02.000 So it shouldn't affect you at all.

02:29:04.000 In fact, you probably got into comedy because you're a fan of comedy.

02:29:08.000 That's how I got into it.

02:29:09.000 So if I didn't enjoy other people that were really good at it, like, what?

02:29:14.000 I took away the one thing that I really loved to watch and then I started doing it for a living and now I can't enjoy it anymore?

02:29:19.000 That's crazy.

02:29:20.000 The only way you enjoy it is you've got to appreciate something that's really good.

02:29:23.000 You can't be seeing someone going, eh, ain't that good.

02:29:26.000 Eh, I could be better.

02:29:28.000 I wish I was up there.

02:29:28.000 I'll fuck that crowd up.

02:29:30.000 So do you still go watch sometimes?

02:29:31.000 Like you watch your homeboys?

02:29:32.000 Yes.

02:29:33.000 Yeah, I watch my friends all the time.

02:29:35.000 That's one of the reasons why, if I go on the road, I always bring really funny people with me.

02:29:39.000 I want to laugh.

02:29:40.000 I want to laugh before I go up.

02:29:41.000 Some comedians don't want that, though.

02:29:43.000 They want the audience to be suffering until they get up.

02:29:46.000 They'll bring terrible opening acts.

02:29:48.000 What?!

02:29:48.000 That seems like a terrible idea.

02:29:50.000 I agree.

02:29:52.000 But see, you're coming at it from a martial arts perspective.

02:29:56.000 Martial artists, first of all, everybody supports everybody.

02:30:02.000 Everybody helps everybody.

02:30:03.000 You have to.

02:30:04.000 You're training together.

02:30:06.000 There's coaching.

02:30:08.000 You're advancing each other.

02:30:10.000 You appreciate it.

02:30:11.000 When someone fucks somebody up, you realize, damn, the guy's good.

02:30:14.000 This is good.

02:30:15.000 There's a lot of props.

02:30:17.000 If you see a comedy special, you'll see a bunch of comedians tweeting about how good a comedy special is.

02:30:23.000 I don't think you see that much in the rap world, where someone is really good and then a bunch of other rappers will chime in about how great that thing was.

02:30:31.000 Yeah, you're right.

02:30:32.000 You're right about that.

02:30:33.000 But with fighters you do.

02:30:34.000 If somebody fucks somebody up, some big like, damn, he looked good tonight.

02:30:39.000 You'll see all this chatter, all the people supporting it.

02:30:42.000 Yeah.

02:30:43.000 Rap is the opposite.

02:30:44.000 The opposite.

02:30:45.000 Fuck everybody.

02:30:46.000 Fuck the world.

02:30:49.000 Drug game, yeah.

02:30:51.000 That's the weird one, right?

02:30:53.000 The drug game.

02:30:54.000 Yeah.

02:30:55.000 I don't know, man.

02:30:57.000 Do you anticipate staying in South Florida?

02:31:00.000 I don't know.

02:31:01.000 I mean, so I don't know if they have it on...

02:31:03.000 Where are you from?

02:31:04.000 Originally from Delaware.

02:31:06.000 Oh.

02:31:06.000 Yeah.

02:31:07.000 Nobody's from Delaware.

02:31:08.000 I know.

02:31:08.000 I'm the only one.

02:31:09.000 I made it up.

02:31:10.000 You're the only person ever escaped.

02:31:11.000 Actually, me and...

02:31:12.000 I don't even remember it was a state that you brought up.

02:31:15.000 You know, here's an interesting fact.

02:31:16.000 Me and Roxanne Matafari were born in the same hospital.

02:31:19.000 Really?

02:31:20.000 Yeah.

02:31:20.000 Wow, that's crazy.

02:31:22.000 What are the odds?

02:31:23.000 I know.

02:31:23.000 But I'm originally from Delaware, so eventually I feel like I want to be a snowbird.

02:31:28.000 Yeah?

02:31:29.000 Meaning, you know, hang out in Florida during the winter months.

02:31:34.000 And where will you live in the other time?

02:31:36.000 I don't know.

02:31:36.000 I might go Pennsylvania, Jersey or some shit.

02:31:39.000 Pennsylvania?

02:31:39.000 Yeah.

02:31:40.000 Like Philly?

02:31:40.000 Yeah, that's where my focus is from.

02:31:42.000 Really?

02:31:42.000 Yeah.

02:31:43.000 Philly's nice.

02:31:44.000 I love Philly.

02:31:45.000 Philly's real.

02:31:46.000 Yeah, Philly's like a real city, yeah.

02:31:47.000 I said there are really intelligent people that will punch you in the face.

02:31:50.000 Yeah, that's Philly.

02:31:52.000 Yeah.

02:31:53.000 They're wild.

02:31:54.000 I love it.

02:31:54.000 People in Philly are wild.

02:31:55.000 Yeah, they're real and they're passionate and they're wild.

02:31:58.000 Yeah.

02:31:59.000 So, you kind of have to like that.

02:32:01.000 Yeah, and they're better looking than Boston.

02:32:04.000 Sorry, Boston.

02:32:05.000 Really?

02:32:05.000 Girls are better looking than Philly.

02:32:06.000 Why is that?

02:32:07.000 I don't know.

02:32:09.000 It's too smart in Boston.

02:32:10.000 I grew up in Boston.

02:32:11.000 I don't know about that.

02:32:13.000 I think Boston is dealing with a lot of the original genes of the original travelers that made it across that boat.

02:32:21.000 Just savage folk that didn't want to live in Europe anymore.

02:32:24.000 Yeah.

02:32:25.000 Those genes are not the best genes.

02:32:27.000 Bunch of animals.

02:32:28.000 So they're still dealing with them fucking genes?

02:32:30.000 Still punching each other.

02:32:31.000 A lot of fistfights in Boston.

02:32:33.000 Yeah.

02:32:33.000 You go out on a Friday, Saturday night and go around the bars, you'll see plenty of fistfights in Boston.

02:32:38.000 That's one of the few places in the world where people still, on a regular basis, beat the shit out of each other on the streets.

02:32:45.000 That's good then, you know?

02:32:47.000 At least they ain't shooting.

02:32:48.000 Drunken savages.

02:32:49.000 Well, there's some shootings too, for sure.

02:32:51.000 But there's a lot of knuckling down.

02:32:53.000 That's kind of good.

02:32:54.000 But I think there's something to that Gene whole Gene thing.

02:32:57.000 When I was in Milwaukee and I was like, damn, why are these fucking people so ugly?

02:33:05.000 It's true.

02:33:06.000 Got those old jeans.

02:33:08.000 Yeah, y'all need to get some mixing going on.

02:33:11.000 Well, I think that's the reason why California has some of the best looking jeans.

02:33:15.000 Because the people that lived on the East Coast were like, I gotta get the fuck out of here.

02:33:20.000 They kept going until they got to California and they hit that water.

02:33:22.000 I'm like...

02:33:24.000 I don't want to live in Hawaii.

02:33:25.000 Fuck!

02:33:26.000 Yeah.

02:33:26.000 Stay right here.

02:33:27.000 And then just the breeding.

02:33:28.000 Yeah.

02:33:29.000 And then there's also the entertainment business.

02:33:31.000 All the pretty people from Cincinnati.

02:33:33.000 They got on a bus.

02:33:34.000 Yeah, they came out here.

02:33:37.000 I'm going to make it.

02:33:38.000 Look at these cheeks.

02:33:39.000 Yeah.

02:33:39.000 I'm going to make it.

02:33:40.000 How many of them make it?

02:33:41.000 Very, very, very, very, very few.

02:33:47.000 It's almost not even worth it.

02:33:48.000 Almost not even worth it unless you make it.

02:33:50.000 Then you're like, oh!

02:33:52.000 Look at me, bitch!

02:33:54.000 Who won?

02:33:55.000 I did!

02:33:56.000 That's right!

02:33:57.000 You got a fistful of cash, throwing them up in the air, making Instagram videos, rolling around on your silk sheets, filled with $100 bills.

02:34:05.000 I almost feel like it's, especially in the age we live in now, it's better to just stay where you're at and put your shit out.

02:34:11.000 Online.

02:34:12.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:34:13.000 Yeah, but I think people are still caught up in the mystique of, like, coming to Hollywood, making it in Hollywood.

02:34:20.000 Even people that do big things online, they still want to do, like, legitimate things.

02:34:24.000 Like, I'd love to do movies.

02:34:26.000 Yeah, I would love to do TV. They want to do things that pay them less money than they do being a YouTube star.

02:34:32.000 Yeah.

02:34:32.000 Really?

02:34:34.000 YouTube pays a lot of money now.

02:34:36.000 If you're a big Logan Paul type dude, he makes a shitload of money on YouTube.

02:34:41.000 How though?

02:34:41.000 Who fucking pays him?

02:34:42.000 Who signs his check?

02:34:44.000 Advertisements.

02:34:46.000 He puts these videos on.

02:34:47.000 The videos get millions and millions of hits, and he gets millions of dollars from advertisement revenue.

02:34:52.000 Probably more money than most successful sitcom people.

02:34:56.000 Yeah.

02:34:56.000 If you think of someone who's on a successful television show, you think, well, that guy's got to be ballin'.

02:35:00.000 I bet Logan Paul makes twice as much money as those people.

02:35:05.000 I know.

02:35:06.000 Crazy.

02:35:07.000 And then there's people like PewDiePie.

02:35:08.000 How much does that guy make?

02:35:10.000 He's got like 77 million subscribers.

02:35:13.000 But the only thing about that guy is he likes to say controversial shit and he gets in trouble.

02:35:18.000 And then sometimes they pull ads off of him and stuff like that.

02:35:21.000 But I think if you're one of those, like Ninja, is he another one?

02:35:25.000 That video game guy?

02:35:26.000 Those people make Outrageous sums of money.

02:35:29.000 Outrageous sums of money.

02:35:30.000 Like playing video games and talking shit.

02:35:32.000 Yeah, I thought it was like this little kid.

02:35:34.000 It was like a seven-year-old made like $20 million.

02:35:37.000 Yes!

02:35:37.000 Doing toys!

02:35:38.000 Yeah.

02:35:39.000 Ryan's Toy Review.

02:35:40.000 That's the kid.

02:35:41.000 Is that him?

02:35:41.000 He made $22 million in 2018 by reviewing toys.

02:35:47.000 This little Asian kid right here?

02:35:48.000 That little kid right there.

02:35:49.000 How much do you think the parents let him keep?

02:35:51.000 I tell my parents, suck my dick.

02:35:53.000 Get the fuck out of my room.

02:35:55.000 You clean my room.

02:35:57.000 Set up that fucking video and you clean my room.

02:36:02.000 This motherfucker just raised up a wiffle ball.

02:36:05.000 Jake Paul, $21 million.

02:36:06.000 See, look at that.

02:36:07.000 $21 million.

02:36:09.000 Just by talking...

02:36:10.000 He had a Disney show for a while.

02:36:12.000 He was on a Disney show that my kids watch.

02:36:14.000 And then he decided, fuck that.

02:36:18.000 I'd rather just be in my house.

02:36:20.000 What does it say on his wall?

02:36:21.000 Team?

02:36:22.000 Team Paul?

02:36:23.000 Team 10. Team 10?

02:36:24.000 Squad.

02:36:25.000 He painted that on his wall?

02:36:27.000 He's got a mansion.

02:36:27.000 He's got all fucked up inside.

02:36:29.000 He's got one of those Lego installations, too, that some guy came in and put Legos on his wall.

02:36:34.000 Oh, interesting.

02:36:35.000 So who's number three?

02:36:36.000 Oh, sorry.

02:36:37.000 Let's see.

02:36:38.000 This is a group of guys.

02:36:39.000 Dude Perfect.

02:36:40.000 They make like...

02:36:42.000 Five-man sports crew.

02:36:43.000 Oh, I've seen those guys.

02:36:45.000 They do stuff with bows and arrow.

02:36:47.000 All kinds of things.

02:36:48.000 They've been doing it for a few years, so they've been burning down any kind of trick shot you can think of.

02:36:52.000 So they made $20 million, all five of them.

02:36:56.000 So $5 million each.

02:36:57.000 Nothing to sneeze at.

02:36:59.000 And then what else?

02:37:01.000 Dan TDM. And he made $18 million.

02:37:06.000 Holla!

02:37:06.000 Slash ballin'.

02:37:07.000 That guy can go anywhere.

02:37:08.000 Oh, Jeffree Star.

02:37:10.000 Is that a guy or a girl?

02:37:12.000 Jeff, makeup star, makeup artist since the MySpace era has reinvented himself as a beauty mogul.

02:37:18.000 Wait a minute.

02:37:19.000 You say himself.

02:37:19.000 Are you misgendering him?

02:37:20.000 I didn't say that.

02:37:22.000 This is an article misgendered.

02:37:24.000 I think that's whatever that is.

02:37:27.000 What's this one?

02:37:30.000 Markiplier17.

02:37:31.000 Nobody ever see that guy before.

02:37:33.000 That guy could go anywhere.

02:37:34.000 Meanwhile, he made $17 million.

02:37:38.000 Vanos Gaming.

02:37:39.000 Canadian gamer Evan Fong plays mainstream titles like the Call of Duty.

02:37:44.000 He plays games.

02:37:45.000 17 million.

02:37:46.000 That's another one.

02:37:47.000 Man.

02:37:48.000 Another one.

02:37:49.000 16 million.

02:37:50.000 Look at this guy.

02:37:51.000 Hanging out.

02:37:52.000 PewDiePie.

02:37:53.000 Damn, PewDiePie's way down there.

02:37:54.000 Who is this PewDiePie?

02:37:55.000 You mentioned him before.

02:37:56.000 I never heard of him.

02:37:57.000 He's another guy.

02:37:57.000 He's a famous guy.

02:37:58.000 I don't know too much about him.

02:38:00.000 He's a gamer.

02:38:00.000 I never watched him.

02:38:01.000 The most followed.

02:38:02.000 72.5 million followers.

02:38:04.000 I think the reason why he makes less money is because the advertisers have abandoned him because he dropped some m-bombs.

02:38:10.000 Oh, he did?

02:38:10.000 Yeah.

02:38:10.000 What does it say up there?

02:38:12.000 What does it say about his...

02:38:13.000 No.

02:38:13.000 Below him.

02:38:14.000 Below.

02:38:15.000 There.

02:38:15.000 Swedish gamer.

02:38:16.000 The most followed.

02:38:17.000 Yeah.

02:38:17.000 A backlash last year.

02:38:18.000 Rash of anti-Semitic videos.

02:38:20.000 That's right.

02:38:21.000 Anti-Semitic.

02:38:22.000 He said...

02:38:23.000 But it was like he was joking around, and he was making fun of anti-Semitic people while he was wearing a Hitler outfit, right?

02:38:32.000 Something like that, yeah.

02:38:33.000 And they were like, yeah, I don't think so.

02:38:34.000 Yeah, it's kind of bad taste, but again, too much work!

02:38:36.000 I think he paid some people to make a Fiverr video, putting up signs that they didn't know what they said, and they just did it.

02:38:43.000 There's that too.

02:38:45.000 Point being, you're right.

02:38:46.000 They can make a shitload of money just being on YouTube and on Twitch playing video games.

02:38:54.000 God!

02:38:55.000 I know.

02:38:56.000 That's real.

02:38:57.000 That's like, if you're a CEO of a gigantic fucking corporation, you work 15 hours a day, you'd be super happy to make what these assholes make.

02:39:06.000 I mean, these are just fucking like, you're like, you're right.

02:39:09.000 With the exception of the little kid, I'm going to give him a pass.

02:39:11.000 But the rest of them dudes are just assholes.

02:39:14.000 On YouTube making money.

02:39:16.000 I mean, I think you have to be an asshole to get attention too.

02:39:19.000 I mean, that's like part of the thing.

02:39:20.000 You gotta be...

02:39:21.000 What is Miranda Sings?

02:39:23.000 Is she in that list?

02:39:24.000 This was just the top 10. Oh, okay.

02:39:26.000 She's not in the top 10?

02:39:27.000 This year.

02:39:27.000 But I mean, there's probably like 100 people that make 7 million.

02:39:31.000 Oh, I know.

02:39:32.000 Crazy.

02:39:33.000 So much money.

02:39:34.000 Just give me...

02:39:35.000 So much money.

02:39:36.000 That's why I got my online project coming out.

02:39:39.000 TrainBJJOnline.com.

02:39:40.000 Yeah.

02:39:41.000 Nice.

02:39:42.000 Doing jiu-jitsu shit.

02:39:43.000 And you're trained bjjonline.com.

02:39:46.000 Is that from white belt to black belt?

02:39:50.000 You learn the whole curriculum?

02:39:52.000 No, not even like that.

02:39:53.000 Because I don't really care about belts.

02:39:55.000 Okay.

02:39:56.000 To be honest with you.

02:39:57.000 I care about being effective.

02:39:59.000 And you know as much as I do, like, jujitsu for MMA is different for, like, competition.

02:40:06.000 Sure.

02:40:06.000 Very different.

02:40:07.000 Yeah.

02:40:07.000 So, like, that's what I'm focusing on.

02:40:09.000 You know, the differences.

02:40:11.000 And to make the shit work again.

02:40:13.000 Because I think a lot of people are doing jujitsu wrong for MMA. Yeah.

02:40:17.000 I think they're using it wrong.

02:40:19.000 How so?

02:40:21.000 You know, like, because when you talk about, like, jiu-jitsu, the way it's been played recently, it's like, well, the way jiu-jitsu played in competitions, but all about getting points.

02:40:29.000 Passing card.

02:40:30.000 Right.

02:40:30.000 Getting the back, put the hooks in.

02:40:32.000 That shit don't work in MMA. Right, for points.

02:40:35.000 Yeah, they're playing it for points.

02:40:36.000 Right.

02:40:37.000 So, I do it, I've created and developed a bunch of positions to re-fuck people up.

02:40:45.000 We hurt people and then submit them.

02:40:47.000 That's the key.

02:40:49.000 Use your jujitsu to hurt people, then submit them.

02:40:52.000 When you say use it to hurt people, you mean use it to maintain a position and land strikes?

02:40:56.000 Yeah.

02:40:57.000 Punching people.

02:40:58.000 Punching people.

02:40:59.000 And then submit them.

02:41:00.000 And then soften them up a little bit.

02:41:02.000 Yeah.

02:41:03.000 The mentality of it is different.

02:41:06.000 Think about it, Joe.

02:41:07.000 If we and you were doing jiu-jitsu right now, in order for me to pass your guard, it would take me fucking 10 minutes.

02:41:13.000 You got five minutes to do this shit.

02:41:15.000 I'm not trying to pass your guard.

02:41:16.000 I'm trying to punch you.

02:41:18.000 Also, the other thing about it is there's certain positions where you really just can't get away with if someone's punching.

02:41:24.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:41:26.000 Especially the bottom game.

02:41:27.000 The bottom game has suffered tremendously because It hasn't evolved.

02:41:32.000 Jiu-Jitsu hasn't evolved from the bottom.

02:41:34.000 And that's something, like I said, when I stopped competing, I studied, studied, studied, said what works, what doesn't work.

02:41:40.000 And now I figured out all these different systems.

02:41:43.000 I think that Jiu-Jitsu has evolved from the bottom in high-level Jiu-Jitsu competitions.

02:41:47.000 We just haven't seen as much of it in MMA. Yeah, yeah.

02:41:50.000 Oh, for competition?

02:41:52.000 Jiu-Jitsu is as great as it's ever been.

02:41:54.000 It's beautiful to watch.

02:41:55.000 The way these guys move, watching Keenan Cornelius slither on the floor, it's fucking beautiful.

02:42:01.000 But he would do okay in MMA, but theoretically most guys wouldn't.

02:42:06.000 I think Gary Tonin's going to do very well.

02:42:08.000 He's doing well already.

02:42:09.000 Yeah, I think so too.

02:42:10.000 He's fighting in one FC, but I think Gary Tonin has such a high-level ground game, particularly with his leg locks.

02:42:16.000 Yeah.

02:42:17.000 And he can do everything.

02:42:18.000 You can take your back, arm bar you, whatever you need.

02:42:21.000 And he's making his way through the ranks at one.

02:42:24.000 I'm very excited about one.

02:42:25.000 Yeah, me too.

02:42:26.000 I like one FC. I'm a big fan.

02:42:28.000 You know, Gary Tonin, I don't know if he wrestled before, but he has a wrestler's mentality when it comes to jiu-jitsu.

02:42:34.000 He's very aggressive, and he's fearless.

02:42:38.000 He's fucking on the money.

02:42:40.000 So I like his chances against anybody.

02:42:42.000 Yeah, I like his chances to be a world champion.

02:42:44.000 Yeah, me too.

02:42:45.000 In MMA, in any organization.

02:42:46.000 But I think on the ground, he's so far above almost everybody else he's going to face.

02:42:52.000 I know.

02:42:53.000 Especially when it comes to the leg lock game.

02:42:55.000 His leg locks are just that whole Donaher death squad.

02:42:57.000 Pfft.

02:42:58.000 You know, they're raising some fucking killers over there.

02:43:02.000 And I'm studying that shit now because I think there's a place for it.

02:43:05.000 And I think that in MMA, people say, oh, that shit don't work.

02:43:07.000 You just don't get punched in the face.

02:43:08.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:43:09.000 I'm like, because MMA guys don't really know how to do it right.

02:43:12.000 Right.

02:43:13.000 They're not doing it right.

02:43:14.000 They're just swinging their leg around trying to squeeze.

02:43:16.000 They're not doing it right.

02:43:17.000 Right.

02:43:18.000 Well, even Paul Harris, you know, when they were talking about Gary Tonin was going to face Paul Harris, Paul Harris is so much bigger and so much stronger than Gary Tonin.

02:43:28.000 And Gary Tonin still threatened the fuck out of him.

02:43:30.000 Had him in some real bad spots.

02:43:33.000 And, you know, they went to a draw.

02:43:35.000 It was a draw?

02:43:35.000 But, like, if there were points, I mean, if you were to see who won.

02:43:38.000 Well, first of all, they're not the same size.

02:43:40.000 Right.

02:43:40.000 I mean, what is Gary fighting in 1FC? 155?

02:43:43.000 Yeah.

02:43:44.000 Poharis is like 200 pounds.

02:43:45.000 He's a gorilla.

02:43:47.000 Yeah.

02:43:47.000 And he's on every Mexican supplement that's ever been invented.

02:43:52.000 With a little pit bull on it?

02:43:53.000 Yeah, Novitski would come to him with like a fucking paper towel and just wipe his thing.

02:43:57.000 Oh, we got everything on this towel.

02:43:59.000 Every fucking, every metabolite that's ever existed.

02:44:03.000 Yeah, he's a gigantic guy.

02:44:05.000 But they were saying that his leg game, even though it's effective in terms of MMA, like his transitions and his entries, they're very limited and they're obvious.

02:44:12.000 And they were seeing him coming.

02:44:14.000 And he showed it.

02:44:14.000 And they competed against him.

02:44:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:44:17.000 But I like Gary Tonin.

02:44:18.000 I think he's going to do wonderful over there.

02:44:20.000 I mean, it'll be interesting to see him fight a...

02:44:24.000 I mean, obviously, Eddie Alvarez, they're probably in the same division, so it'll be interesting to see that.

02:44:29.000 Yes.

02:44:29.000 Very, very interesting.

02:44:31.000 Very interesting.

02:44:32.000 Yeah, Eddie Alvarez going over there is huge.

02:44:34.000 Mighty Mouse going over there is huge.

02:44:36.000 Brandon Vera is the heavyweight champion now.

02:44:39.000 Brandon Vera is fucking people up over there.

02:44:41.000 Is he?

02:44:42.000 Yes.

02:44:43.000 That's under the radar because you don't really hear much about him being over there fighting.

02:44:46.000 It seems like someone he knows has been south of the border as well.

02:44:49.000 He's about 240 pounds now.

02:44:51.000 Oh my god, he's so jacked.

02:44:52.000 You've never seen Brandon Varanel?

02:44:53.000 I haven't seen him in years.

02:44:55.000 I didn't even know he was fighting over there.

02:44:57.000 He's smashing people.

02:44:59.000 Yeah.

02:45:00.000 Smashing people.

02:45:01.000 And he's like 240 plus pounds now.

02:45:04.000 No shit.

02:45:05.000 Giant neck, fucking traps, jacked as fuck.

02:45:07.000 Is he still training at Alliance?

02:45:09.000 I believe so.

02:45:10.000 I believe so, yeah.

02:45:12.000 But I tell you what, man, like you were saying that leg lock game, like Ryan Hall has the ability to beat anybody in the featherweight division.

02:45:18.000 Yeah, if he catches a hold of a limb, you got a real problem.

02:45:21.000 I think he could beat, I think he'd beat Holloway the same as he'd beat anybody else.

02:45:25.000 I'm not saying he can beat him, but I'm just saying like if he gets a hold of that damn leg, he's finished.

02:45:30.000 He could tap you.

02:45:31.000 He could tap anybody.

02:45:33.000 Yeah, his level of jiu-jitsu, his understanding, his technique, his skill level is very, very, very high.

02:45:40.000 Like world championship caliber high.

02:45:42.000 Yeah.

02:45:43.000 But there's a bunch of guys.

02:45:44.000 Look at that.

02:45:45.000 That's Brandon Vera now.

02:45:46.000 Jacked!

02:45:49.000 He's jacked, dude!

02:45:51.000 Show me a...

02:45:51.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:45:53.000 Remember when he was in the UFC, he was skinny and slim?

02:45:56.000 Well, he's fighting 205 and heavyweight in the UFC. Now he's just heavyweight.

02:46:00.000 And so he just packed on some meat.

02:46:02.000 Put a video of like...

02:46:04.000 There's a Brandon Vera highlight KO video out there.

02:46:08.000 But he's fucking people up over there, man.

02:46:11.000 Let's see something.

02:46:13.000 Just that one that's on the...

02:46:15.000 Oh, there we go.

02:46:16.000 The Truth.

02:46:18.000 Brandon Vera highlights.

02:46:22.000 Mr. Freak Z's 75, whatever the fuck that is.

02:46:26.000 Whoever the gentleman is who put together this highlight reel.

02:46:29.000 It says, The Truth Brandon Vera highlights February 1 championships highlight contest.

02:46:35.000 Let me see some fighting parts.

02:46:37.000 Is it all?

02:46:38.000 No, here we go.

02:46:39.000 Boom.

02:46:45.000 Boom.

02:46:47.000 And Brandon Vera always had, like, very high-level striking.

02:46:49.000 Yeah, he was always crisp.

02:46:51.000 Yeah.

02:46:52.000 And they see the 1FC, you can head kick, and you can kick people, apparently, in the back of the head, which is kind of fucked up.

02:46:59.000 I don't know what the competition is like in the heavyweight division at 1FC, what level it is, but I imagine with the size of the organization, about how big it is, that the competition is going to continue to rise in all weight classes.

02:47:13.000 Right now, in terms of the number of people that are watching, it rivals the UFC. Does it really?

02:47:18.000 It's giant in Asia.

02:47:19.000 G-g-g-g-g-g-giant.

02:47:21.000 But I think it's going to continue.

02:47:22.000 They're making a lot of money.

02:47:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:47:24.000 They're throwing a lot of money at elite fighters.

02:47:26.000 I'm hoping they bring some more because they don't really have a strong American presence.

02:47:30.000 Well, I think they're signaling by having Eddie Alvarez come over there.

02:47:34.000 Misha Tate is running shit over there now, too, as well as Rich Franklin.

02:47:38.000 He's running things.

02:47:39.000 I think he's the vice president there now.

02:47:41.000 A lot of shit happening over there.

02:47:44.000 We need it, man.

02:47:44.000 We need another pride.

02:47:45.000 We need something like that.

02:47:46.000 Yeah, yeah, we do.

02:47:47.000 Yeah, we do.

02:47:48.000 Listen, I'm all for it because I hate, you know, I work with a lot of guys.

02:47:52.000 And I hate when they fucking don't have nowhere to work.

02:47:54.000 Exactly.

02:47:55.000 You know, and like if they're just, if we only rely on the UFC, and we all know how that is, one bad performance means you're out.

02:48:03.000 Or a bad judging, right?

02:48:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:48:05.000 What did you think about the PFL? I love the PFL. Yeah.

02:48:08.000 Yeah, I love it.

02:48:09.000 I love the structure.

02:48:11.000 What's his name?

02:48:11.000 Sean O'Connell said something very interesting just off the top.

02:48:15.000 But he said, I just made a million dollars and all I had to do was win.

02:48:19.000 And he repeated it.

02:48:20.000 All I had to do was win.

02:48:21.000 So to me, I was like, I guess he didn't have to be a character.

02:48:25.000 And this is coming from probably the only character in PFL. Right.

02:48:28.000 And he said that.

02:48:29.000 Because none of them other guys could do that shit.

02:48:32.000 But who was watching?

02:48:34.000 I don't think anybody was.

02:48:35.000 That's the thing.

02:48:36.000 That's the problem, yeah.

02:48:37.000 I was surprised he beat Vinny.

02:48:39.000 Me too.

02:48:39.000 I thought Vinny was going to win the whole thing.

02:48:41.000 I thought so too.

02:48:42.000 But then when I thought about it, I said, damn, he's been training with Jeremy Horn his prior's whole career.

02:48:47.000 And Jeremy Horn is a wizard too.

02:48:51.000 But I trained a couple of the Russians for the PFL. Magma, he won the welterweight against Ray Cooper III. Yeah, Ray Cooper's a fucking beast.

02:49:01.000 I know.

02:49:02.000 5'7".

02:49:03.000 I know.

02:49:03.000 170 pounds, throwing bricks.

02:49:05.000 I know.

02:49:06.000 When he fought Jake Shields and beat him twice like that, stopped him twice.

02:49:09.000 I was like, Jesus, state championship wrestler.

02:49:11.000 I know.

02:49:12.000 Yeah, I didn't think he was, because my guy took him down early, and I was kind of surprised that he took him down as early as he did, because he is a state champ.

02:49:22.000 He seems small for the division.

02:49:24.000 Yeah, he could probably fight at 155. Yeah.

02:49:26.000 Have a little more success.

02:49:28.000 Yeah.

02:49:30.000 But I like the fact that at least these guys have an option.

02:49:32.000 It's a place they can win a million dollars.

02:49:34.000 A million dollars?

02:49:34.000 Yeah.

02:49:35.000 Crazy.

02:49:35.000 And that's in the finals.

02:49:37.000 Leading up to it, they're still making good money.

02:49:38.000 Yeah.

02:49:39.000 The loser made $250,000.

02:49:42.000 How do they get eyeballs, though?

02:49:45.000 I don't know.

02:49:46.000 That's the problem.

02:49:46.000 That is the problem, right?

02:49:48.000 That's the problem with everything.

02:49:49.000 I mean, even with Bellator.

02:49:50.000 I mean, the way they got eyeballs was to have, like, Hoist Gracie fight.

02:49:53.000 I mean, that's the way they get eyeballs.

02:49:55.000 They have to have someone who's got a name.

02:49:58.000 I mean, that's the reason why they brought over Tito and Chael and all these, you know...

02:50:04.000 It's hard.

02:50:05.000 And that's what I was saying.

02:50:06.000 Like, Sean O'Connell, like, if you ever hear him talk, like, he's very charismatic and charming.

02:50:10.000 And he's the only person who probably can handle himself on a mic.

02:50:13.000 Isn't he a radio guy?

02:50:14.000 I think so.

02:50:15.000 Yeah.

02:50:15.000 I think he's got a radio...

02:50:17.000 I think he's a sports radio guy.

02:50:19.000 Yeah.

02:50:19.000 And for him to say, all I had to do was win, you know, implying that he didn't have to talk.

02:50:23.000 Like, what does that say for, you know, Natan Schulte, who won the lightweight, who can't speak, you know?

02:50:29.000 Right.

02:50:29.000 Like, it's...

02:50:30.000 I don't know.

02:50:31.000 I can't imagine where they go in three years because they're not going to have many stars.

02:50:35.000 Well, it seems like...

02:50:36.000 What does it say?

02:50:36.000 2018, one championship registered an average of 11 million viewers per live event across its core markets, according to Nielsen.

02:50:43.000 That's a lot of fucking people.

02:50:46.000 2015, this figure was less than one...

02:50:48.000 Oh, pop-up ads got us.

02:50:50.000 Son of a bitch.

02:50:52.000 2015, this figure was less than 1 million viewers per live event.

02:50:56.000 So in three years, they went from less than 1 million viewers per live event to 11 million viewers per live event.

02:51:03.000 That's fucking amazing.

02:51:04.000 Across its core markets.

02:51:09.000 The article is comparing it to NBA viewership in Asia.

02:51:13.000 Dramatic increase in TV viewership.

02:51:16.000 Fantastic.

02:51:17.000 Can't be more happy.

02:51:18.000 Hope they keep growing.

02:51:19.000 I hope they develop real legit stars.

02:51:21.000 And also, they have legit world championships across every combat sport over there.

02:51:27.000 They've got Yodson Kalai is doing Muay Thai over there.

02:51:30.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:51:30.000 I saw that.

02:51:31.000 Yeah.

02:51:32.000 Nikki Holtzkin is doing kickboxing over there.

02:51:34.000 I saw that.

02:51:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:51:36.000 They're bringing in world beaters in basically every discipline.

02:51:41.000 Yeah, I mean, I love it.

02:51:43.000 I mean, we both have our affiliation with the UFC, but without these other organizations...

02:51:50.000 The game don't last.

02:51:51.000 Exactly.

02:51:51.000 Yeah, the game can't last.

02:51:52.000 It's so critical.

02:51:54.000 It's so critical that there's more opportunities.

02:51:56.000 And then also, it raises the level of the UFC as well.

02:51:59.000 It raises everybody.

02:52:01.000 The rising tide raises all boats.

02:52:03.000 Yeah.

02:52:03.000 It really does.

02:52:04.000 Hopefully the UFC kind of takes a page from 1FC and does the weight thing.

02:52:07.000 I love it.

02:52:08.000 I would love it.

02:52:09.000 Yeah, hopefully they force them into that.

02:52:11.000 They're trying to figure out what to do about weight cutting.

02:52:13.000 I mean, they really are.

02:52:14.000 They're trying to figure it out.

02:52:15.000 And I brought to their attention the 1FC plan, how the 1FC does it.

02:52:19.000 They basically eliminated it.

02:52:20.000 Everybody goes up a weight.

02:52:21.000 You know, they moved every champion up a weight class.

02:52:24.000 They do hydration tests.

02:52:25.000 They find out what your actual weight is, and they don't let you fuck around.

02:52:29.000 And you fight at what you really weigh.

02:52:31.000 I mean, that's really what it should be.

02:52:33.000 And if you need to be in a lighter weight class, guess what, fat boy?

02:52:36.000 Time to fucking get on a bike.

02:52:37.000 You're going to lose some weight.

02:52:38.000 Lose some actual weight.

02:52:40.000 Yeah, do it again next year.

02:52:41.000 Try again next year.

02:52:42.000 I love that.

02:52:42.000 At the beginning of the year, this is what you're going to weigh and fight at for the year.

02:52:46.000 Stay here.

02:52:47.000 Yeah.

02:52:47.000 If you don't like it next year, fucking get another weight class.

02:52:50.000 That's right.

02:52:51.000 Alright, dude.

02:52:52.000 We just did three hours.

02:52:54.000 Damn.

02:52:55.000 Crazy.

02:52:55.000 Time flies by.

02:52:56.000 You see how that is?

02:52:57.000 We finally did it.

02:52:58.000 We finally did it.

02:52:59.000 I'm sitting here thinking I'll be on here for like 30 minutes.

02:53:01.000 No, three hours.

02:53:01.000 Or 15 minutes.

02:53:03.000 And let's do it again, man.

02:53:04.000 Yeah, I'm down, man.

02:53:04.000 Listen, I'm down.

02:53:05.000 Give everybody your social media addresses.

02:53:07.000 At Dean Thomas.

02:53:09.000 At D-I-N Thomas.

02:53:10.000 D-I-N Thomas.

02:53:11.000 Or go to me at, yeah, or at TrainBJJOnline.com.

02:53:16.000 Okay.

02:53:16.000 Yeah, so those are my two social medias.

02:53:18.000 It's Dean Thomas on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all of that.

02:53:22.000 Everything.

02:53:23.000 All right.

02:53:23.000 Beautiful.

02:53:24.000 Thank you, brother.

02:53:24.000 Yeah, but holla at me.

02:53:25.000 Appreciate it, man.

02:53:25.000 My pleasure, man.

02:53:26.000 It was fun.

02:53:27.000 It was fun.

02:53:27.000 All right, folks.

02:53:28.000 See you soon.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 09, 2010

JRE MMA Show #54 with Din Thomas

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