The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #57 with TJ Dillashaw

00:00:00.000 Five, four, three, two, one.

00:00:04.000 TJ! Yo! 0.99

00:00:05.000 How are you, brother?

00:00:06.000 I'm doing good, man.

00:00:07.000 What is it like now?

00:00:09.000 First of all, what was it like that night?

00:00:12.000 For people who don't know, let me just give you the rundown, just so you don't have to say it.

00:00:17.000 Cool.

00:00:18.000 You were involved in one of the most high-profile flyweight fights ever.

00:00:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:00:22.000 You're the Bantamweight Champion.

00:00:23.000 You drop down to fly weight.

00:00:25.000 You went through this extensive training routine to get your body down to a manageable weight where you can cut the last 10 pounds or so and make 125. The fight starts.

00:00:37.000 Cejudo lands a good shot early.

00:00:39.000 There's a lot of action.

00:00:41.000 And the referee stops the fight.

00:00:42.000 And I was shook by it. 0.99

00:00:46.000 Everybody that I was watching the fight with was like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:00:50.000 Dude. 1.00

00:00:51.000 It was almost universal.

00:00:52.000 No one thought it was a good stoppage.

00:00:54.000 It's one of those stoppages where no one goes, yeah, it's a good stoppage, a good stoppage.

00:00:59.000 No one. 0.99

00:00:59.000 Everybody was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:01:00.000 You jumped off and you're like, dude, come on. 1.00

00:01:02.000 Come on, man.

00:01:04.000 It's been rough, man.

00:01:05.000 It's a rough one to swallow on multiple reasons.

00:01:09.000 Like you say, he landed a good shot.

00:01:11.000 Yeah.

00:01:13.000 Everything's being overshadowed by this shot that landed behind my ear.

00:01:17.000 I was off balance.

00:01:18.000 I threw a right hand.

00:01:19.000 I came in a little too aggressive.

00:01:20.000 That's the way I fight.

00:01:21.000 He pushed me over.

00:01:22.000 I was off balance.

00:01:23.000 He threw a kick.

00:01:24.000 I blocked it.

00:01:24.000 He went to throw a right hand and I tried to dip out of the way.

00:01:27.000 It was one of those shots that hits you behind the head, right behind the ear.

00:01:30.000 Not illegal.

00:01:31.000 We're on our feet.

00:01:31.000 It's completely illegal, but it was an unfortunate situation.

00:01:35.000 One of those punches just takes your feet out from underneath you.

00:01:38.000 You're 100% there, but your equilibrium's off, you know?

00:01:40.000 And he jumps on me.

00:01:42.000 I remember hearing the ref say, Dillashaw, show me something.

00:01:44.000 I told him I'm good.

00:01:45.000 And I remember talking to him before the fight in the back, and he said, like, if I'm telling you that, make sure you're talking to me.

00:01:50.000 Show me something, you know?

00:01:51.000 But how are you talking?

00:01:52.000 I said it.

00:01:53.000 I said I'm good.

00:01:54.000 I mean, but in his, you know, from his perspective, how does he expect you to talk while you're blocking punches?

00:02:01.000 He even said, too, in the back before the fight, too, like, you know, give me a thumbs up or something if you're going to choke, this or that, you know?

00:02:08.000 To be honest, I didn't know who he was.

00:02:10.000 I think he's really inexperienced.

00:02:12.000 Watching him ref as well, too, jumping around as soon as the commotion kind of happened.

00:02:15.000 He was looking for a reason to stop it, almost.

00:02:19.000 I think he was amped up.

00:02:21.000 It's a big fight.

00:02:22.000 Big fight for him, too.

00:02:23.000 For him to get a high-profile fight, first time on ESPN+. Yes.

00:02:27.000 Big deal.

00:02:28.000 100%.

00:02:28.000 Huge, huge deal.

00:02:29.000 100%.

00:02:30.000 So I think that's the part that almost bugs me more is that I was there, but it was the shot that hit me behind the head.

00:02:36.000 And then obviously the controversial stoppage.

00:02:38.000 So it's a rough one to swallow.

00:02:40.000 It's definitely been bugging me, but I'm good about keeping my mind off of things and staying busy.

00:02:45.000 I'm already back in the gym, doing business things and trying to stay as busy as possible so I don't think about it and want to punch a hole through the wall every time I walk by one.

00:02:54.000 Well, it's such a different fight because it was such an arduous task for you to get down to flyweight.

00:03:01.000 I mean, people were looking.

00:03:01.000 You look great right now.

00:03:02.000 Your face is full.

00:03:03.000 You look healthy. 0.99

00:03:04.000 But goddamn, dude, I saw you the week of the fight on television. 0.99

00:03:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:03:08.000 And I was like, look at his face.

00:03:09.000 I looked like a tweaker.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, you did.

00:03:11.000 You looked like you were, you know, Cejudo said it best.

00:03:15.000 You look like an ultra marathon runner, like some guy who runs long distances.

00:03:18.000 If I would have decided to lose all the way at the end, I wouldn't have looked like that, right?

00:03:23.000 But I got my body down to 5% to 6% body fat, you know?

00:03:26.000 So when I start losing anything towards the end, you're going to see it out of my face.

00:03:30.000 Right.

00:03:31.000 And I'm one of those guys that loses and gains weight out of my face.

00:03:34.000 After my fights, we call myself Fat Tyler.

00:03:37.000 Because my real name is Tyler.

00:03:38.000 And I go by TJ. And so Justin Buckles gave me that name back at Alpha Male.

00:03:42.000 Fat Tyler.

00:03:43.000 I'd always get puffy-faced after my fights.

00:03:45.000 So my alter ego is Fat Tyler. 1.00

00:03:47.000 You know, I'm going out and eating and being an asshole. 1.00

00:03:49.000 Eating spaghetti and shit. 1.00

00:03:51.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:03:52.000 Yeah.

00:03:55.000 I did it over 12 weeks.

00:03:56.000 My body fat percentage is down to 5%.

00:04:01.000 That's crazy.

00:04:02.000 When you lose any more water weight or anything, you're going to see it come out of your face because I was doing it for so long.

00:04:07.000 What was it like being that low as far as your body fat goes?

00:04:12.000 What was your performance like physically?

00:04:14.000 How did you feel?

00:04:15.000 I actually, so I felt the best I've ever felt before I walked out before the fight.

00:04:19.000 Really?

00:04:20.000 Dude, that's another reason why I'm just so bitter about this thing is because I didn't get a chance to show the work that I put in.

00:04:27.000 I didn't get a chance to show all the science behind Sam Calvita and what he did to my body.

00:04:31.000 I was stronger for this fight than it was my last Cody fight.

00:04:35.000 I walked out two pounds heavier for this fight than I did my last Cody fight.

00:04:38.000 What did you walk out to?

00:04:39.000 Before I started warming up, I weighed 149. What?

00:04:43.000 Yes, and I felt great.

00:04:44.000 I didn't feel bloated.

00:04:44.000 I didn't feel nothing.

00:04:45.000 Wait a minute.

00:04:45.000 You went from 125 to 149. Yeah.

00:04:48.000 I was a glycogen battery. 0.99

00:04:50.000 I was ready to fucking go. 0.99

00:04:51.000 I couldn't get tired before the fight when I was warming up in the back. 0.97

00:04:54.000 I seriously, I've never felt better than this before a fight.

00:04:58.000 My mood, my energy levels, me hitting mitts with Dwayne in the back, warming up.

00:05:02.000 I was feeling smooth.

00:05:03.000 I was feeling good.

00:05:04.000 I remember even walking out in the cage and everything felt too good.

00:05:08.000 I remember looking over Dwayne, smiling at him.

00:05:10.000 I felt awesome.

00:05:11.000 And that's even more of an unfortunate situation.

00:05:14.000 I didn't get to really show that, you know?

00:05:16.000 Well, I mean, hats off to Henry because he's a beast.

00:05:19.000 Yeah, of course.

00:05:19.000 I mean, he did catch you and he is one of the best.

00:05:22.000 I mean, that kind of caliber of athlete is what made this fight so special.

00:05:28.000 You being the bantamweight champion, going down a flyweight.

00:05:31.000 Yep.

00:05:33.000 I think the way you did it is probably the only way to really do it.

00:05:37.000 Safely.

00:05:38.000 Yeah.

00:05:38.000 For sure.

00:05:39.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess you were safe because you were like, what, 135-ish the day before?

00:05:45.000 I made weight the night before the fight.

00:05:48.000 What?

00:05:48.000 The night before weigh-ins.

00:05:50.000 So I went to sleep 1.3 pounds over.

00:05:54.000 And I floated that. 0.99

00:05:55.000 I actually took a shit the morning away, which is insane. 0.97

00:05:57.000 That never happens. 0.99

00:05:58.000 Like, my body was still working.

00:06:00.000 I wanted to make the weight the night before because, obviously, I hadn't made 125s.

00:06:03.000 I didn't want to wake up in the morning and see what my body was going to do and if it was going to give me that extra water.

00:06:08.000 But I made weight super easy, man.

00:06:11.000 Like, don't get me wrong. 1.00

00:06:13.000 The 12 weeks was a motherfucker. 0.99

00:06:14.000 It was hard. 0.99

00:06:15.000 It was a lot of work.

00:06:16.000 But...

00:06:17.000 The actual weight cut was easy.

00:06:19.000 I had no hiccups, nothing.

00:06:20.000 Sam would tell me what to go to bed at.

00:06:22.000 He knew what I was going to wake up at.

00:06:24.000 He tells me the water loading I'm doing, the amount of electrolytes I'm taking in, the amount of food I'm eating.

00:06:30.000 And so he knows exactly what my body's going to wake up and do.

00:06:32.000 He's been tracking it for not two years now.

00:06:35.000 That guy sounds brilliant.

00:06:36.000 I really need to talk to him.

00:06:38.000 I've watched videos of him talking about it and seeing the work and just what a unique individual he is.

00:06:44.000 I mean, that's why I decided to move back down to Southern California.

00:06:47.000 For him, really?

00:06:47.000 For him.

00:06:48.000 Wow.

00:06:48.000 And then everything else kind of came along with it.

00:06:50.000 My life is wonderful now.

00:06:51.000 The people I got around me.

00:06:53.000 I'm lucky that I have Dwayne Ludwig that's willing to travel out and train with me out there.

00:06:57.000 But I moved down to Southern California because of Sam Calavita. 1.00

00:07:00.000 And I came down to two weeks with him and started noticing, like, man, this guy knows his shit. 1.00

00:07:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:06.000 Uniquely. 1.00

00:07:07.000 I mean, there's a lot of people out there who know their shit. 0.99

00:07:09.000 But he seems like he's on some new level. 0.99

00:07:12.000 I mean, he sent me graphs that I have on my phone.

00:07:16.000 Every week we knew exactly where my body weight wanted to be at.

00:07:20.000 He was telling me weights that I'd be at before I would even be there.

00:07:23.000 My body would just do it.

00:07:24.000 So you didn't need a separate person.

00:07:27.000 This is what's unusual about this.

00:07:29.000 Normally if you would hire somebody, you would hire like a George Lockhart or someone like that, Mike Dolce, and then you would hire them almost specifically just for the weight cut and some nutrition advice.

00:07:41.000 He's training you physically as well.

00:07:44.000 He's telling me my low base.

00:07:46.000 My long distance running or my fasted low base.

00:07:49.000 He does everything.

00:07:50.000 My strength conditioning, my nutrition.

00:07:52.000 They make my meals.

00:07:53.000 They do all my meal prep.

00:07:55.000 He's telling me how much low base I need to do per week, either morning or night.

00:07:59.000 He's telling me when I should train.

00:08:03.000 Everything is completely mapped out.

00:08:04.000 There's no guesswork in it.

00:08:05.000 There's nothing.

00:08:06.000 He's telling me everything.

00:08:07.000 He's listening to my heart rate when I'm sleeping, my heart rate variabilities.

00:08:10.000 He's telling me what supplements to take, all of it.

00:08:18.000 That's another reason why it's just so tough that this fight didn't get to really let me prove anything, not only for myself and who I am, but the work that this guy put in.

00:08:27.000 I'm going to sit here and brag about him and talk about how badass he is.

00:08:30.000 But then people want to tell me like, oh, you're malnourished. 0.96

00:08:32.000 You don't have a chin.

00:08:33.000 125s was a bad cup for you. 1.00

00:08:35.000 They're giving him crap all over the place.

00:08:37.000 And I almost feel just as bad for him as I do for myself for how much work he put into it and actually how great I felt before the fight and I didn't get a chance to show it. 0.58

00:08:45.000 Like I said, I walked out at 149, glycogen battery, ready to go.

00:08:50.000 I've really never felt better.

00:08:52.000 I know, man.

00:08:53.000 It was insane.

00:08:54.000 I really couldn't believe how my body absorbed everything, you know?

00:09:00.000 So, what are you walking around like now?

00:09:02.000 I'm in low 50s.

00:09:04.000 I'm in low 50s right now, but that's because I'm trying to be at low 50s. 0.99

00:09:07.000 My body instantly wanted to just store everything and I got up to like 60s, low 60s, and I was like, oh shit. 0.95

00:09:15.000 I started doing some hot yoga and going to work. 0.95

00:09:18.000 I just worked out with Sam yesterday.

00:09:19.000 I'm going to his house later after this.

00:09:21.000 So, that's kind of the only way my mind can stay at ease right now with everything that's been going on is I need to get back in the gym.

00:09:43.000 We're good to go. 0.96

00:09:50.000 That likes losing and I'll call you a liar. 0.97

00:09:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:53.000 I think you're 100% correct.

00:09:55.000 And Jamie and I have talked about this many times when we're talking about LeBron James or Michael Jordan. 0.98

00:10:01.000 Those guys were infamous for being terrible losers. 0.97

00:10:05.000 I hate losing. 1.00

00:10:06.000 Yeah, I mean, I just don't think you get to be that elite of the elite unless you're a fucking maniac. 1.00

00:10:12.000 I really think that. 0.99

00:10:13.000 I mean, I think about it constantly.

00:10:14.000 I'm one of those OCD guys that's, if I'm not in the gym, I'm thinking about it.

00:10:18.000 I'm thinking about my training.

00:10:19.000 And sometimes I need to distract myself.

00:10:21.000 That's why I distract myself with other businesses or things I got going on because I think about it too much.

00:10:26.000 Especially when it's a controversial thing, when people are questioning things.

00:10:30.000 It's going to piss you off even more.

00:10:31.000 I mean, I hate losing, so you're definitely going to see that.

00:10:34.000 So that night was rough, man.

00:10:35.000 I mean, the ride back to the hotel, and I didn't want to go out.

00:10:39.000 I didn't really want to eat.

00:10:40.000 I just wanted to hang out with my son.

00:10:42.000 Just get me away from fighting.

00:10:44.000 Let me think about my family.

00:10:47.000 So where is everything at right now in terms of have you talked to the UFC? What was their take on everything?

00:10:55.000 I know Dana said it was a quick stoppage.

00:10:58.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 I mean, everyone's been saying it's a quick stoppage.

00:11:00.000 Big John McCarthy's calling out the ref saying he thought it was a quick stoppage.

00:11:05.000 I talked to Mike Beltran a couple nights ago.

00:11:07.000 He was saying the same thing.

00:11:09.000 Yeah, I mean, so everyone thinks it, you know?

00:11:12.000 And Dana was saying, like, hey, kid, we'll figure it out in the next couple days.

00:11:15.000 Early stoppage.

00:11:16.000 I'm obviously pissed about it.

00:11:17.000 There's nothing I want this to happen, you know?

00:11:19.000 So my manager, Tiki, he's been in talks.

00:11:22.000 We haven't really heard nothing yet on the decision of what's going to happen.

00:11:25.000 I love Tiki.

00:11:26.000 He's the best.

00:11:27.000 He's a great guy.

00:11:27.000 He's a great manager because he's been in the fight game.

00:11:30.000 Yes.

00:11:30.000 He's been around.

00:11:31.000 He's been here forever, early UFC days.

00:11:33.000 He's such a good dude, too.

00:11:35.000 He's got such a great personality.

00:11:37.000 He's just a fun guy to be around.

00:11:38.000 Yeah, so he's been awesome for my career.

00:11:41.000 I've only been with him for a short while, but he's been awesome for me.

00:11:44.000 He's been in talks with Hunter and Dana and so I'm hoping to figure out something soon because I'll fight tomorrow.

00:11:52.000 I'll fight Henry at whatever weight he wants.

00:11:54.000 I obviously would prefer 25s because I put in a lot of work and I want to show that I know what I'm doing and it wasn't a fluke or that this was a fluke, that this wasn't something that...

00:12:05.000 Well, here's the deal.

00:12:06.000 Even if the fight went longer and he stopped you, and he legitimately stopped you, look, he's Henry Cejudo.

00:12:13.000 That's a possibility.

00:12:14.000 This is the game.

00:12:15.000 This is what it is.

00:12:17.000 That's why MMA is so great.

00:12:18.000 Anything can happen.

00:12:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:20.000 You go out there like...

00:12:21.000 No matter if you're the huge favorite, anything can happen.

00:12:24.000 It just didn't get a chance to happen.

00:12:26.000 That's what's unfortunate.

00:12:27.000 I mean, he really did land some good shots.

00:12:29.000 He really was coming on strong.

00:12:31.000 I agree.

00:12:31.000 He came out ready.

00:12:32.000 He was ready. 0.99

00:12:33.000 He's a monster. 1.00

00:12:34.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:12:35.000 And so are you, which is why that fight was so interesting. 1.00

00:12:39.000 He had some shit to prove. 0.98

00:12:40.000 He was there to save the flyweight division. 1.00

00:12:42.000 And look, he did it.

00:12:45.000 Until I had the balls enough to drop down in 20-25s, there really wasn't any hype on a flyweight fight.

00:12:50.000 But now there was. 0.85

00:12:51.000 And now there still is.

00:12:52.000 And he wants to talk about saving the flyweight division.

00:12:54.000 Then let's do it.

00:12:55.000 Well, I think he wants to go up.

00:12:57.000 Of course.

00:12:58.000 Because then he can be champ champ.

00:12:59.000 And I understand that.

00:13:01.000 There was no champ champ before.

00:13:03.000 Yeah.

00:13:03.000 When Conor came wrong, Conor really changed the game in so many ways, but one of the ways he changed the game was calling himself Champ Champ.

00:13:10.000 Now, everybody is Champ Champ.

00:13:12.000 Ryan Bader's Champ Champ.

00:13:16.000 Amanda Nunes is Champ Champ.

00:13:17.000 It's a way to market yourself and get your name out there.

00:13:19.000 It is a really big deal. 0.98

00:13:21.000 But the term Champ Champ, that is a fucking Conor McGregor That's a Conor McGregor term. 0.98

00:13:27.000 He's got some gold behind his touch. 0.99

00:13:30.000 Anything he touches turns into gold.

00:13:31.000 I'm not a lucky charm.

00:13:33.000 He's a character, man.

00:13:33.000 He really is.

00:13:34.000 And I understand that.

00:13:36.000 I mean, I'll fight Henry Suda at whatever weight he wants to fight.

00:13:38.000 I have no...

00:13:39.000 I can't dictate where it goes because I just hope that would just happen.

00:13:43.000 Well, it seems like the correct weight to do it would be at 25. Because if you guys fought at 35, it's a different ball of wax.

00:13:52.000 100%.

00:13:52.000 I just think given the circumstances and the fact that you did make the weight fairly, not easy, I would never say easy.

00:13:59.000 I would say easy.

00:14:01.000 I mean, like I said, it's a lot of work, but dude, I can't believe how actually easy it was.

00:14:06.000 I mean, it was going through the graphs that Sam showed me and it was remarkable.

00:14:09.000 I got stronger.

00:14:10.000 I was putting up more weight.

00:14:12.000 So the last week before I left, before my fight, I was snatching and cleaning.

00:14:16.000 More weight than my last Cody fight.

00:14:18.000 And I was lighter.

00:14:19.000 So my power ratio was insane.

00:14:21.000 It almost is unheard of.

00:14:22.000 But I think it's because of how strict I had to be for those 12 weeks is maybe why.

00:14:27.000 What was your diet like?

00:14:29.000 What did you eat?

00:14:31.000 You can't be in ketosis, obviously, because I trained too hard, right?

00:14:34.000 But no grains.

00:14:37.000 If I'm eating carbs, it's simple carbs, things like that.

00:14:40.000 Like fruits?

00:14:40.000 Yeah, fruits, vegetables, sweet potatoes, things like that.

00:14:43.000 And you're weighing everything out?

00:14:45.000 Yeah.

00:14:45.000 They do all that.

00:14:46.000 I'm not doing it personally myself.

00:14:48.000 Sam and his family do it, the training lab.

00:14:50.000 They make every meal, every snack.

00:14:52.000 So I'm eating three meals a day.

00:14:53.000 I'm actually eating pretty good calories, too.

00:14:55.000 I'm eating three meals a day, two snacks a day.

00:14:58.000 But it's also about when I stop eating, my intermittent fasting, me doing my low base while I'm fasting to get my body to be burning 100% fats.

00:15:07.000 When you said doing your low base, what do you mean by that?

00:15:09.000 My long distance...

00:15:11.000 Low cardio, slow movements, long sessions.

00:15:14.000 So it's not hard, right?

00:15:15.000 It's something where I keep my heart rate at a certain variable.

00:15:17.000 Depending on what my VO2 max is, what my RMR is, there's this crossover where your body starts burning carbs or starts burning fats.

00:15:23.000 If you're sprinting, you're going hard and hard and hard, your body's going to start burning carbs because it needs to burn carbs to go that hard.

00:15:30.000 But when you're at a certain level, like, so, for instance, when I started camp, my crossover was at 145. So I need to keep my heart rate under 145 for maybe 45 minutes or maybe now I'm getting closer.

00:15:42.000 I need to lose more weight.

00:15:43.000 I need to go an hour.

00:15:44.000 So 145 is at 80%?

00:15:47.000 No.

00:15:47.000 70% of your heart rate?

00:15:49.000 Must be.

00:15:50.000 Everyone's different.

00:15:51.000 It depends what your VO2 is.

00:15:52.000 Right.

00:15:52.000 I don't remember what mine was exactly percentage-wise.

00:15:55.000 But at 145 is a sweet spot where you're burning fat?

00:15:58.000 At the beginning of camp, but towards the end of the camp, I can go to like 155 because I got in better shape.

00:16:05.000 I was just in better shape.

00:16:08.000 I was a better machine to where I could go harder and still be in a fat-burning substrate.

00:16:13.000 And then he would dictate if I needed to do 40 minutes in a minute, maybe an hour at night, depending on...

00:16:18.000 We want my body to react and then he's also spiking and taking away my insulin levels to get my because I don't want to be in ketosis always right because my body will crash but I need to be in it to get my body weight down without losing weight unhealthy if I would have waited to last two weeks to crash my weight I would have been dehydrated but all the way up until weigh-ins my body was over 60 60% hydrated most of camp I was 66% hydrated And that's because you don't only get hydrated from the water you drink,

00:16:46.000 you're hydrated from the supplements you're going to take and the food you're taking in inside your cells.

00:16:51.000 So when you say you're getting into ketosis, are you doing it 100% through diet or are you taking exogenous ketones?

00:16:58.000 Are you doing anything else?

00:16:59.000 Just diet and the way I work out.

00:17:00.000 Diet the way you work out, and then the intermittent fasting is a 16-hour window you're using?

00:17:05.000 We switch it up.

00:17:07.000 When I was getting closer to fight, yeah.

00:17:09.000 But when I was further out, maybe like, you know, 14 hours, things like that.

00:17:13.000 And I didn't have to intermittent fast the whole camp.

00:17:16.000 You know, just after a certain point where I needed to get my body weight even lower than it was at.

00:17:21.000 There's this trend that we were following to continue to get my body weight down, and he would implement certain things to force it that direction.

00:17:30.000 Well, it's just, I've never seen, I mean, I know some pretty well-documented training routines and diet routines, and some guys have really gotten into the weeds with this stuff, but I don't think I've ever seen it like you.

00:17:44.000 Man, I was always into training and doing everything as well as I can and finding every angle I could possibly be to be the best athlete.

00:17:51.000 That's my competitive edge.

00:17:53.000 And then when I met Sam, I knew that was my next level.

00:17:55.000 Right.

00:17:56.000 And I didn't realize that I had low tests before I met Sam until he tested my levels and did my hair analysis and all that stuff.

00:18:02.000 I didn't realize what was going on with my body.

00:18:04.000 I just trained hard.

00:18:05.000 And I thought I was training smart.

00:18:07.000 Right.

00:18:07.000 And then I met Sam and I took it to a whole other level.

00:18:09.000 Right.

00:18:10.000 Well, the training hard, sometimes the problem is your body just never really gets a chance to catch up.

00:18:15.000 Never really gets a chance to recover.

00:18:16.000 And there's a lot of really good fighters that are doing that to themselves.

00:18:22.000 Especially wrestlers, they have that mentality. 0.99

00:18:24.000 They just fucking go. 1.00

00:18:26.000 They don't care if they're miserable. 1.00

00:18:27.000 They're mentally tough. 0.93

00:18:28.000 They keep pushing.

00:18:29.000 And your body just is always behind the eight ball.

00:18:32.000 You never really get a chance to recover.

00:18:33.000 I was redlining my body.

00:18:35.000 I was not eating right.

00:18:37.000 I was working out as hard as I possibly could, pounding the caffeine, and my body was just telling me no.

00:18:43.000 My testosterone was crashing.

00:18:46.000 To see where it's at now is amazing.

00:18:48.000 What did he do to boost it back up?

00:18:50.000 My diet, my supplementation, which all my supplements are food-based for the most part.

00:18:54.000 I mean, there'll be supplements, but they're aminos and all whole food-based stuff.

00:18:58.000 Magnesium, zinc.

00:18:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:59.000 Magnesium, zinc, tryptophan, ornithynes, glycines, tyrosines, krill oils.

00:19:04.000 Oh, so branch chain amino acids.

00:19:05.000 All different ways and different times to take them depending on what I'm doing.

00:19:08.000 The certain kind of creatines I'm taking, my proteins are all organic.

00:19:14.000 This company, Orgain, I take a lot of their stuff.

00:19:17.000 They're Everything's tested, organic.

00:19:20.000 So everything I'm doing is all whole food-based supplements.

00:19:24.000 And then the way I'm training as well, too.

00:19:26.000 So he's listening to my heart rate variability when I sleep.

00:19:29.000 So what are you wearing?

00:19:31.000 I wear a heart rate monitor made by Suunto.

00:19:34.000 Okay, yeah.

00:19:35.000 Great company.

00:19:36.000 Yeah, it's not so much the heart rate monitor that does it.

00:19:38.000 It's his algorithm that does it.

00:19:40.000 So every morning I wake up, my phone's connected to my watch.

00:19:43.000 I send my heart rate to...

00:19:44.000 What kind of phone?

00:19:45.000 I have a phone, just an Apple phone.

00:19:47.000 But the app is First Beat, I think it is.

00:19:51.000 But your watch, it's connected to your Apple Watch?

00:19:53.000 My Suunto watch.

00:19:55.000 So it's one of those Traverse Alphas?

00:19:56.000 Is that what it is?

00:19:57.000 Yeah, mine's something like that.

00:19:59.000 But it connects to your phone through Bluetooth.

00:20:01.000 And so you're wearing the monitor with the watch.

00:20:05.000 The watch is just on the nightstand, right?

00:20:06.000 I sleep with the monitor on, and it'll track me all the way through my sleep.

00:20:10.000 And you mainly want, like, you know, when you get into that REM sleep, and it's like three hours, and it'll automatically wake up, I sync it to my phone, it sends it to his program, and then he's got an algorithm to tell me, like, what percentage recovery I am.

00:20:22.000 So this is his own...

00:20:24.000 Proprietary program that he's developed himself?

00:20:26.000 Yeah.

00:20:26.000 Jesus Christ.

00:20:27.000 It's taken him.

00:20:28.000 I mean, dude, this guy's a genius, man.

00:20:30.000 I'm telling you, me hanging out with him for two years and I'm finally getting it all somewhat down.

00:20:35.000 I've learned so much from him.

00:20:37.000 I mean, I've learned more from him in the last two years than I ever learned through school.

00:20:40.000 And I was a kinesiology major.

00:20:41.000 I was clinical exercise science.

00:20:43.000 I was going to be a physician's assistant.

00:20:44.000 I was always into the body.

00:20:46.000 But just going and working out with him in his garage.

00:20:48.000 Little tiny...

00:21:08.000 What did you think of the Pico fight?

00:21:11.000 Oh, man.

00:21:12.000 So unfortunate.

00:21:13.000 Crazy, right? 1.00

00:21:13.000 Because he's such a killer that he wants to knock everyone out. 1.00

00:21:18.000 Not only does he want to be the best fighter in the world, but he wants to be the most entertaining fighter in the world. 0.95

00:21:22.000 So he's looking to punish you.

00:21:23.000 Because he's got so many weapons that he doesn't use.

00:21:26.000 He's so good, man.

00:21:28.000 But he lives by the sword and he dies by the sword kind of thing.

00:21:31.000 He wants to be that knock-you-out entertaining fighter.

00:21:35.000 He wants to be able to highlight real first-round knockouts.

00:21:40.000 Which is...

00:21:40.000 Great.

00:21:41.000 Yeah.

00:21:41.000 But you always have to understand that you are just like the guy right in front of you.

00:21:46.000 And then one shot, especially in MMA, one shot can turn it all around.

00:21:51.000 And it did.

00:21:52.000 It was one of the most shocking knockouts I think I've ever seen. 0.96

00:21:54.000 Because it looked like he looked fucking phenomenal. 0.79

00:21:57.000 He came out there and we knew that he had been training with you for this fight. 0.99

00:22:00.000 He was fucking shredded. 0.99

00:22:01.000 He looked like a world beater. 0.99

00:22:02.000 Went out there and landed that clean uppercut and then got just way carried away.

00:22:07.000 It's unfortunate because you think I'm in shape and I do crazy things.

00:22:10.000 This guy's putting me to shame.

00:22:13.000 In Sam's garage, what he's able to do on the bike and just his workout regimen and just how competitive he is, man, he's a world beater.

00:22:21.000 He could be by far a world champion.

00:22:23.000 He's so young, so there's some things we need to get to figure out.

00:22:27.000 Everyone takes losses and hoping one of these is going to spark him to realize how good he is everywhere.

00:22:34.000 It's just an unfortunate situation.

00:22:35.000 MMA. Yeah, I mean, guys have bounced back from knockouts and become world champions, unquestionably.

00:22:42.000 It's just he's got to make sure he doesn't have too many of those, you know, and make sure he fights smart.

00:22:46.000 Agreed. 0.99

00:22:46.000 And use that goddamn wrestling. 0.99

00:22:48.000 Dude, it's insane wrestling, dude. 0.99

00:22:50.000 I mean, he's so good as a wrestler, and when he gets that guy hurt, he's collar-tied.

00:22:55.000 They're grabbing each other by the neck and just swinging shots.

00:22:58.000 You're flipping a coin.

00:22:59.000 You're rolling the dice.

00:23:00.000 What, has he got six fights or something like that?

00:23:01.000 Yeah.

00:23:02.000 I mean, it's one of those inexperienced things.

00:23:03.000 And he's only 22. Yeah, I mean...

00:23:05.000 That's the other thing.

00:23:06.000 You realize when he dropped him, you could have jumped on him, you could have swarmed him, like Henry did to me.

00:23:10.000 Jump on him and swarm him and look for that finish.

00:23:15.000 I think the inexperience makes him realize that maybe he's invincible and just...

00:23:21.000 I don't know, man.

00:23:21.000 There's things that you kind of figure out when you've been out in the cage longer and longer and you've been around the career, you understand there's ways to finish a fight or how to just be a smart fighter that he'll figure out.

00:23:31.000 What was the whole experience like being on this ESPN card?

00:23:34.000 Because that was a historic moment, much like the Cain Velasquez versus Junior Dos Santos fight.

00:23:39.000 Which also stopped the same way.

00:23:41.000 Yeah.

00:23:41.000 Well, no, that was legit.

00:23:43.000 We got controversial.

00:23:44.000 That was not controversial.

00:23:44.000 The punch, though.

00:23:45.000 The punch that landed was also behind the ear. 0.98

00:23:47.000 Yeah, same punch.

00:23:48.000 It's one of those things that it just takes your feet off.

00:23:51.000 If you've ever fought or if you've ever got hit in the back of the head, your feet go off from underneath you, but you're there.

00:23:58.000 You're 100% aware of what's going on, but your balance isn't there.

00:24:01.000 Then you have another grown man on top of you.

00:24:02.000 So, of course, things are going to happen.

00:24:04.000 But with the ESPN, it was really cool.

00:24:06.000 The whole lead up to it, they came and filmed.

00:24:09.000 They were around a lot.

00:24:11.000 They did a lot of exposure.

00:24:13.000 The stuff they put out was really cool.

00:24:15.000 And then just seeing our commercial for our fight on national football on ESPN. Because college was going on.

00:24:23.000 The nationals was going on and you'd see me and Henry.

00:24:25.000 Three different commercials on ESPN. I thought that was pretty cool.

00:24:28.000 No, it was amazing.

00:24:30.000 It's cool to see.

00:24:32.000 It's cool to see that ESPN is embracing the sport and that it's getting into it.

00:24:36.000 There was a lot of hype behind this.

00:24:38.000 I got ESPN+. I'm not a sports fan.

00:24:42.000 I don't watch sports.

00:24:43.000 I don't even know what's happening.

00:24:45.000 People are like, what are you doing for the Super Bowl?

00:24:46.000 I'm like, when's that?

00:24:47.000 That's exactly what I did.

00:24:49.000 I don't have time for it, man.

00:24:51.000 I'm a Raiders fan, but I don't have time to really watch.

00:24:56.000 When you think of sports, you think of ESPN. Yeah, you really do.

00:25:00.000 It's another level of acceptance in the sports world.

00:25:03.000 The only thing that kind of bummed me out, and I should probably clarify this because I talked about this on the podcast, was the Hardy fight.

00:25:10.000 And not...

00:25:12.000 Not even because I don't think the guy should be fighting, or not even because I think...

00:25:17.000 I don't really know what he did in terms of his past.

00:25:21.000 I know there's a lot of... 1.00

00:25:24.000 There's a lot of shit, right? 1.00

00:25:25.000 I mean, he was in trouble for something. 1.00

00:25:28.000 There was an appeal and he got off of it somehow.

00:25:30.000 I don't know.

00:25:31.000 But I'm only talking about it from a fighting perspective.

00:25:35.000 You're watching the highest level fights.

00:25:38.000 You're watching the co-main event.

00:25:40.000 He's just not ready for a co-main event.

00:25:43.000 Like technically, no.

00:25:44.000 No way.

00:25:45.000 Yeah.

00:25:45.000 He rushed out.

00:25:46.000 He gassed out.

00:25:47.000 He burned himself out.

00:25:50.000 Crowder recovered.

00:25:53.000 The way it should be is you should have the early fights are people who are learning the sport.

00:25:59.000 And then when you get to the last couple of fights, the co-main and the main, you're supposed to be seeing assassins like you and Henry Cejudo.

00:26:08.000 That's what you're supposed to be seeing.

00:26:09.000 And the crazy thing about our sport is there's a lot of entertainment behind it as well, too.

00:26:13.000 So if you're hyped up, you get pushed up the ladder.

00:26:16.000 Maybe you get title fights sooner than you should.

00:26:18.000 That's crazy.

00:26:18.000 It is.

00:26:19.000 Because now we're on ESPN. Now we're an official sport.

00:26:22.000 I mean, we've been an official sport.

00:26:24.000 But yeah, it should be more on the level, like you're talking about, of...

00:26:39.000 I get that.

00:26:41.000 That makes sense for that reason.

00:26:44.000 But there's another fight they could have put in place of that.

00:26:47.000 I agree.

00:26:48.000 100%.

00:26:48.000 And again, this is not a knock on Crowder or Hardy.

00:26:51.000 There are guys out there doing it.

00:26:52.000 They're trying.

00:26:54.000 They did their job.

00:26:55.000 They're fighting.

00:26:56.000 I mean, the ending was super unfortunate.

00:26:59.000 Again, you don't know whether or not he did it on purpose, whether he had a mental...

00:27:03.000 You're getting punched in the face.

00:27:04.000 That stuff happens so fast.

00:27:06.000 It's chaos.

00:27:07.000 I mean, especially because he is so new, right?

00:27:09.000 Yes.

00:27:09.000 He hasn't been fighting forever.

00:27:11.000 Yes.

00:27:11.000 Like, that stuff just happens.

00:27:12.000 Like, oh, I got him hurt.

00:27:13.000 Boom! 0.99

00:27:13.000 Yes, exactly. 0.99

00:27:14.000 Like, there's things like I've even done in practice. 0.99

00:27:16.000 I'm like, oh, shit, dude. 0.99

00:27:17.000 I'm in practice and I did something. 1.00

00:27:18.000 I'm like, oh, man, that was stupid. 0.99

00:27:20.000 Like, if that happens in a fight, I'm losing a point. 0.97

00:27:22.000 Like, I'm so sorry.

00:27:23.000 Right.

00:27:24.000 It just bums me out that this rush to commercialization, that this rush to trying to get the most eyes on it, the people that are watching it, if you watch something where there's two guys who really aren't ready for a co-main event, you're seeing sloppiness and guys getting out of gas real quick, 0.99

00:27:42.000 and you're seeing all the things you're supposed to learn early in your career so that by the time you get to a co-main event, you know, you're a fucking assassin. 0.95

00:27:50.000 You're locked down and 100% professional. 0.97

00:27:53.000 You're a real elite pro fighter.

00:27:56.000 That's what I want to see when I'm watching ESPN. That's what I want to see.

00:28:00.000 I want to see the best of the best.

00:28:02.000 I want to see world-class fighters fighting with precision and power and speed and knowing how to pace themselves.

00:28:11.000 Guys with experience.

00:28:12.000 They've been there before.

00:28:13.000 They know how to recover from...

00:28:14.000 They get cracked.

00:28:15.000 They know how to lay back.

00:28:16.000 They know how to hold on.

00:28:17.000 They know how to do what they need to do in order to win or fight their best.

00:28:21.000 Instead of like...

00:28:23.000 You're seeing things, and so many people are seeing this at this point.

00:28:27.000 And I feel like we're getting fans now that are more knowledgeable, like yourself, and people are seeing the sport and understanding technique now, to where before maybe it didn't matter.

00:28:36.000 You didn't know what bad technique is now, but we get more knowledgeable fans to where they are going to start realizing, like, what was that?

00:28:42.000 Right.

00:28:43.000 The last thing you want to see is two heavyweights gassed out.

00:28:45.000 Yes. 0.99

00:28:46.000 That is the fucking worst. 1.00

00:28:48.000 Right. 0.99

00:28:48.000 Do you remember when, was it Ben Rothwell, was it Mark Hunt? 0.99

00:28:54.000 I think it was Ben Rothwell and Mark Hunt fought in, I want to say it's those two guys, but I might be wrong.

00:29:00.000 See if that's, in Denver.

00:29:02.000 They made them fight at altitude.

00:29:03.000 I remember the fight in Denver.

00:29:04.000 I don't know if it was them either, but yeah. 0.99

00:29:06.000 It was fucking ridiculous because they're at altitude. 0.99

00:29:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:29:10.000 And they're so goddamn tired. 1.00

00:29:13.000 And the UFC is like, we're never going to do a heavyweight fight again ever at altitude. 0.94

00:29:17.000 Was it?

00:29:17.000 Yeah, it was Ben Rothwell and Mark Hunt.

00:29:19.000 But then they wound up doing Cain Velasquez and...

00:29:22.000 Verdun.

00:29:23.000 Verdun.

00:29:24.000 Fabricio Verdun.

00:29:25.000 In Mexico City.

00:29:25.000 In Mexico City, which is even higher.

00:29:26.000 It's 2,000 feet above...

00:29:28.000 Dan Verdun was smart and went up there early.

00:29:30.000 Yeah, way early.

00:29:30.000 He looked like a killer out there.

00:29:32.000 Yeah, way early.

00:29:33.000 And I think, from what I remember, that Kane went out there two weeks before the fight, which actually makes it worse for you.

00:29:40.000 It'd be better off if you went up there three days before the fight because your body's still in shock rather than going up there in two weeks because now your body's screwed.

00:29:47.000 Yeah.

00:29:47.000 You need to be there.

00:29:48.000 If you're going to be there early, go six weeks or more.

00:29:51.000 Don't go less.

00:29:52.000 If you're going to go less, come a couple days because your body's still in shock.

00:29:55.000 And you see how a fight like that can literally change the course of a fighter's career.

00:29:59.000 Yes, yes.

00:30:00.000 I mean, it changed Kane's career in many ways, you know?

00:30:03.000 One loss like that to a guy like Fabrizio Verdun.

00:30:06.000 You know, he's fighting real soon.

00:30:09.000 I'm excited for that fight.

00:30:10.000 Against Francis Ngannou.

00:30:11.000 I hope he's healthy.

00:30:12.000 He has to be.

00:30:13.000 I hope so. 0.99

00:30:14.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:30:15.000 I mean, if he's not, he's in trouble. 0.99

00:30:17.000 Because, man, he could be the best heavyweight.

00:30:19.000 I mean, I think he was the best heavyweight, just unfortunate situations where he didn't get to prove that.

00:30:23.000 I mean, he's one of the...

00:30:24.000 Well, I think his thing was that his body just couldn't deal with his mind.

00:30:29.000 Like, his mind is so strong, and his will and his work ethic is so powerful. 0.99

00:30:35.000 And that goddamn camp of killers up in San Jose, a.k.a. 0.99

00:30:40.000 is just assassin central. 1.00

00:30:43.000 And just the years of wrestling.

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:44.000 I mean, wrestling hurt me more than anything.

00:30:47.000 Really?

00:30:48.000 Anything that I still do today, even if I get hurt today, it's from wrestling practice.

00:30:53.000 Wrestling is the hardest thing on my body.

00:30:55.000 Your neck, your back, your shoulders.

00:30:58.000 I mean, it's rough.

00:31:00.000 Sam Calvita's son right now, AJ, he's been on the couch for the last four months.

00:31:04.000 And it was from wrestling, he hurt his back.

00:31:07.000 Bulging disc in his back, or herniated disc.

00:31:10.000 From wrestling, and he's 16 years old.

00:31:12.000 Jesus Christ.

00:31:13.000 That's a rough one when you're that young and you hurt your back?

00:31:16.000 Yeah, man.

00:31:17.000 Wow.

00:31:17.000 What part of his back?

00:31:19.000 It's lower?

00:31:19.000 Yeah, lower back, yeah.

00:31:20.000 What's he got him doing for it?

00:31:22.000 I would always assume a guy like that knows exactly what to do to try to heal something like that.

00:31:26.000 Yeah, so he's been doing it.

00:31:28.000 They tried doing everything naturally, but he's had to go and get a couple epidurals now to shrink the swelling.

00:31:35.000 Obviously, it's not...

00:31:36.000 So it's pushing on a nerve.

00:31:37.000 And so it's messing with the sciatic nerve and it's hard for him to walk.

00:31:40.000 He was having to crawl around the house like a dog, like laid on the couch forever.

00:31:44.000 Now he's starting to walk.

00:31:45.000 But Sam's got him out in the garage doing pull-ups because that's the only thing he can do because it's a decompression.

00:31:51.000 You know, he's able to hold onto the bar at least and get some pull-ups in and start to strengthen his back so that it will hold his spine kind of where it needs to be because he's losing insane amounts of muscle mass.

00:32:01.000 I mean, this kid was...

00:32:02.000 16 years old, looking good, working out with his dad out in the garage, and then gets hurt, and now he looks like a different person.

00:32:07.000 I feel bad for him being a 16-year-old kid.

00:32:10.000 Well, I definitely feel bad that he looks bad, but I really feel bad that he's got that kind of an injury at 16. That's an injury you see with guys in their 20s and 30s, and you realize it's a lifetime of beating on it.

00:32:24.000 When you get to that when you're 16, that's not good.

00:32:26.000 I dealt with it in my neck in college and then also early in my fighting career, and it messes with you.

00:32:32.000 I had to get an epidural shot in my neck throughout the front.

00:32:35.000 Bulging disc?

00:32:36.000 Yeah, I was pushing on a nerve, and I lost like 70% of the strength of my left arm, and it's rough, man.

00:32:41.000 Yeah, I was on my way to the exact same thing.

00:32:43.000 I was getting numbness in the hands and the ulnar nerve, which goes from like your pinky down through your elbow.

00:32:48.000 I was getting pain in my elbow, but I got real lucky that I found a good doctor, got some spinal decompression and Regenichine.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, it's that blood spinning procedure.

00:33:00.000 They heat up your blood and then they run it through a centrifuge and they pull this yellow serum out of it.

00:33:08.000 Is that your plasma, right?

00:33:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:10.000 We detailed it, what it is.

00:33:12.000 We showed a thing from the website that shows the stuff they add to it.

00:33:16.000 It was pretty remarkable. 0.99

00:33:36.000 That fucking thing's amazing. 1.00

00:33:37.000 That click, click, click. 1.00

00:33:38.000 Have you done that one?

00:33:38.000 I have the one that it's not as nice as that one.

00:33:41.000 I've used it where you pump it up.

00:33:42.000 Oh, that's a good one too.

00:33:43.000 It's like a little neck brace you put on and it hardly fits on anything and you pump it up and it really stretches your neck out.

00:33:49.000 That's great too.

00:33:50.000 I'm going to try to get taller.

00:33:51.000 Yeah.

00:33:52.000 Well, you definitely get shorter as you get older.

00:33:54.000 That's true.

00:33:54.000 And that's what it is.

00:33:55.000 I mean, Eddie Bravo gained an inch.

00:33:57.000 He's 5'9 now because he had a disc replaced.

00:34:00.000 Oh, wow.

00:34:01.000 Yeah.

00:34:01.000 Well, all the years of jujitsu and weightlifting and wrestling, everything is getting squashed.

00:34:07.000 Especially him folding himself in half all the time.

00:34:09.000 Yeah.

00:34:09.000 Well, his lower back was destroyed.

00:34:10.000 I can imagine.

00:34:11.000 Destroyed.

00:34:12.000 And also, he's not the kind of guy who balances everything out.

00:34:15.000 Like, he just kind of does it and then smokes weed because he eats a burrito.

00:34:18.000 Yeah.

00:34:20.000 So yeah. 1.00

00:34:21.000 So his lower back was just fucked. 1.00

00:34:23.000 Beyond fucked. 1.00

00:34:24.000 It was essentially bone on bone. 1.00

00:34:26.000 And just constant state of inflammation.

00:34:29.000 He was always in pain.

00:34:30.000 Like he'd be standing up.

00:34:31.000 Like if we were somewhere, like say if we went to a bar and had a couple drinks or something like that, he'd be standing up.

00:34:36.000 He'd be in pain just standing for too long.

00:34:38.000 And this is a world-class jiu-jitsu practice.

00:34:40.000 Yeah.

00:34:41.000 So he got his disc replaced.

00:34:42.000 And gained an inch?

00:34:43.000 Mm-hmm.

00:34:44.000 Wow.

00:34:44.000 Well, I mean, he had nothing, and then all of a sudden he's got an inch of disc.

00:34:48.000 Wow.

00:34:48.000 And it's a titanium articulating disc, so it actually moves around.

00:34:53.000 It's not fused.

00:34:54.000 Okay.

00:34:54.000 So in the old days, they would take your...

00:34:56.000 Your two, these, you know, the vertebrae and lock them together and screw them in place and it's a nightmare because, and it puts an artificial load on the upper disc above it and the lower disc because now there's this unusual leverage there.

00:35:08.000 But instead of that, now they use a disc, an actual disc. 0.63

00:35:12.000 They put it in place and it lasts a long ass fucking time and it moves around like you and he doesn't have any pain anymore and guys are back to rolling. 0.90

00:35:20.000 You know, I know, you know, some real, Chris Weidman actually just got a disc replaced in his neck. 0.99

00:35:25.000 I saw that as well.

00:35:27.000 But Kane had his fused, right?

00:35:29.000 Because he had back problems.

00:35:30.000 Was his fused? 0.99

00:35:31.000 He's got a bunch of shit going on in his back. 0.99

00:35:33.000 He's had multiple back surgeries. 0.99

00:35:35.000 I don't know the exact extent of all the different surgeries that he got, but he's definitely got a lot of stuff going on in his back.

00:35:43.000 Interesting to see him.

00:35:44.000 I hope he comes back healthy and looks good.

00:35:45.000 Look, man, skill for skill, ability for ability, I think if he's not the best of all time, it's him and Fedor.

00:35:52.000 And then you always have to mention Verdum, because even though Stipe knocked Verdum out in the first round, Verdum has submitted the best of the best.

00:36:00.000 He submitted Minotauro, he submitted Fedor, he submitted Kane. 0.99

00:36:03.000 I mean, what the fuck? 1.00

00:36:05.000 I mean, that guy is just... 0.99

00:36:07.000 Verdum's record.

00:36:09.000 If you just look at who he's fought, he's the best.

00:36:12.000 In my opinion.

00:36:13.000 And for how long he's been around.

00:36:15.000 But when did he beat those guys?

00:36:18.000 When did he beat those guys?

00:36:19.000 When he beat Fedor?

00:36:21.000 Fedor was as close to his prime as you can get.

00:36:26.000 It's hard to say.

00:36:27.000 The Brett Rogers fight, a lot of people were saying he wasn't as focused for the Brett Rogers fight, but he still knocked him out with one punch. 0.96

00:36:33.000 Remember that crazy fucking KO? Anytime. 0.94

00:36:36.000 You gotta be ready for Fedor with one punch.

00:36:37.000 Yeah.

00:36:38.000 But Verdum handled him on the ground and submitted him.

00:36:42.000 I would have loved to have seen what it was like in Pride if he could fight him when Fedor was at his peak, back when he beat Minotauro.

00:36:49.000 But Verdum, you know, he's overlooked in that argument of who's the best.

00:36:54.000 And in terms of accomplishments as a UFC fighter, well, it's Stipe.

00:36:58.000 Because Stipe's the only guy to defend the title four times.

00:37:01.000 And it really kind of bumps me out that he's out of the conversation right now.

00:37:04.000 Yeah.

00:37:04.000 You don't hear about a Steve Bay fight.

00:37:06.000 I feel like he should get more attention for this.

00:37:09.000 He's just a normal guy.

00:37:10.000 He has a full-time job.

00:37:12.000 He's a firefighter.

00:37:13.000 I feel like more people should resonate with him because of that, but they don't. 0.97

00:37:17.000 He's a fucking great guy, too. 1.00

00:37:19.000 I feel like he has to be an asshole to get attention these days. 1.00

00:37:21.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:37:22.000 I mean, I feel like if he had beaten DC and he beat Francis, that was a big fight.

00:37:29.000 Francis came into that fight with a lot of hype.

00:37:31.000 At the Overeem knockout.

00:37:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:33.000 Stipe fought like a fucking champion. 1.00

00:37:35.000 Really fought like a champion. 1.00

00:37:36.000 Smart.

00:37:36.000 And he showed Francis.

00:37:37.000 And look, Francis fought after that.

00:37:39.000 He was not the same thing.

00:37:40.000 No. 0.96

00:37:40.000 When he fought after that and he fought Derek Lewis, you could see he was still fucked up from that last fight. 0.96

00:37:47.000 And he admitted it, to his credit.

00:37:49.000 He bounced back with the Curtis Blades fight and looked fantastic in that fight.

00:37:53.000 Which is a big one for him because Blades is an awesome wrestler.

00:37:55.000 Exactly.

00:37:56.000 Blades is a very athletic wrestler.

00:37:58.000 He's huge.

00:37:59.000 He's big.

00:38:00.000 He's fast.

00:38:00.000 He's powerful.

00:38:02.000 That's twice Francis has beaten him.

00:38:04.000 Twice he stopped him.

00:38:05.000 That was his first UFC fight.

00:38:07.000 He stopped him then and he stopped him in this one as well.

00:38:10.000 Coming into this fight with Kane, there's a lot of questions.

00:38:15.000 We haven't seen Kane in two years.

00:38:17.000 It's been about two years.

00:38:18.000 Yeah, it may be even longer.

00:38:20.000 Let's say when was the last time Cain Velasquez fought?

00:38:22.000 It's been a long time.

00:38:23.000 Yeah, I think you might be right.

00:38:24.000 I think it might be three years.

00:38:25.000 It's been a while.

00:38:26.000 It's crazy.

00:38:26.000 I know.

00:38:27.000 But when he was at the top of the food chain, when Cain was at the top, he would put a fucking storm on these people that was just like a hundred year storm that would never end. 0.97

00:38:35.000 It's like, how does this guy have this kind of endurance? 0.97

00:38:37.000 And to see Verdun to do that to him in Mexico City was crazy.

00:38:41.000 I thought it was going to be the other way around.

00:38:42.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:38:43.000 You see Cain tired.

00:38:45.000 Yeah.

00:38:45.000 So here we go.

00:38:46.000 2016. Yep, July 9th.

00:38:48.000 So two and a half years.

00:38:49.000 Yeah, almost.

00:38:50.000 Yeah.

00:38:50.000 And that was Travis Brown, which is just a phenomenal beating.

00:38:54.000 And that was UFC 200. Yeah.

00:38:58.000 And they did the Junior Dos Santos one.

00:39:00.000 And the fight before that was a year.

00:39:02.000 You know, so he's like...

00:39:03.000 Fabricio, yeah.

00:39:03.000 It's not like he's been active.

00:39:05.000 Well, he had shoulder surgery.

00:39:06.000 And in 2013, look at those gaps.

00:39:07.000 Yep, yep.

00:39:08.000 Dang.

00:39:09.000 Two-year gaps.

00:39:10.000 Yep.

00:39:10.000 Two-year gaps, one year, two-year again.

00:39:13.000 That's rough, man.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, it is rough.

00:39:16.000 Especially when this is your job and how you get paid. 1.00

00:39:18.000 Fuck yeah, right? 1.00

00:39:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:20.000 Lucky's a heavyweight and they get taken care of a little more, but...

00:39:23.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just, I wonder how much you could fix all that stuff that's going on in the spine.

00:39:31.000 You know, I mean, it's one thing if a guy gets a knee, you know, he's got ACL or something like that, you know that you can come back from that.

00:39:38.000 That's 100% possible.

00:39:40.000 But back stuff is weird.

00:39:42.000 It seems like once things start going, it's like a car, you know?

00:39:47.000 Once a ball joint blows out and the axle starts grinding, you're like, oh, Jesus. 0.98

00:39:51.000 It's like a bunch of shit's gonna go wrong. 0.98

00:39:53.000 Something that's your core. 0.99

00:39:56.000 But at his best, man, he was fucking terrifying. 0.98

00:40:00.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:40:00.000 Because I never saw a heavyweight with that kind of endurance. 0.98

00:40:03.000 Man, I remember being so scared of Cain Velasquez when I was a kid.

00:40:05.000 I think I talked about this last time on your podcast when I was a kid wrestling in college. 0.91

00:40:08.000 Because I was this tiny-ass little white boy wrestler.

00:40:11.000 And Cain would walk around with just his singlet straps on and shorts. 0.95

00:40:14.000 And he had brown pride tattooed across his chest.

00:40:17.000 He's just a huge heavyweight wrestling D1 for ASU. I was just so scared of that guy.

00:40:21.000 I was like...

00:40:22.000 Man, look at that guy, man.

00:40:23.000 Walking around like wandering, probably ripped my head off, has Brown Pride tattooed on his chest, just wearing Justice Singlet straps, just huge. 0.98

00:40:30.000 It's funny.

00:40:31.000 I remember him forever, man.

00:40:32.000 Well, you know, him and DC having that kind of a relationship is such a unique situation for the two fighters that they have, you know, another elite guy that's their size and they just smash each other left and right and work with each other.

00:40:47.000 That's what I try to create wherever I go.

00:40:49.000 And that's what we're doing in Southern California.

00:40:51.000 I know Juan Archuleta, Aaron Pico's, Cub Swanson's.

00:40:54.000 We're trying to build a room of smaller guys that we can...

00:40:57.000 But we don't want to kill each other.

00:40:59.000 And that's something that I've always had to control myself.

00:41:02.000 I've always gone really hard and something I've had to learn to control.

00:41:05.000 But having that room full of killers so that when we go to wrestling practice, you don't know if you're going to have a good practice.

00:41:10.000 You might be getting beat up on that day. 1.00

00:41:11.000 When you go home and be all pissed off like, shit, I had a bad practice. 0.99

00:41:15.000 I got taken down with this, but that's what makes you better for the next practice. 0.99

00:41:18.000 If you just go to practice and beat up on everyone every day, you're never going to know what you need to change or what you need to get better at.

00:41:23.000 So...

00:41:23.000 I think that's why Kane and DC have gotten so good, so quick at MMA that each other to build off of, you know?

00:41:30.000 Yeah, if you can survive it.

00:41:32.000 Yeah.

00:41:32.000 If you survive it, yeah.

00:41:34.000 And, you know, like the knock on AKA, some people said they train too hard because they're always injured.

00:41:39.000 Look at the amount of champions they produced. 0.99

00:41:41.000 Look at the amount of fucking killers that have come out of there. 0.99

00:41:44.000 Luke Rockhold, DC, Kane, Khabib. 1.00

00:41:48.000 I mean, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:41:49.000 That place is a den of assassins. 0.99

00:41:52.000 Yeah, if you can survive it, right?

00:41:53.000 Yeah.

00:41:53.000 That's perfect.

00:41:54.000 I mean, yeah, I mean...

00:41:55.000 That's the only way, man. 0.68

00:41:56.000 I mean, look, it's not good to spar a full clip like old school Lion's Den days where they used to beat the shit out of each other or the Miletic days. 1.00

00:42:04.000 I mean, nobody knew anything back then. 0.52

00:42:06.000 They didn't know the consequences.

00:42:08.000 They didn't know what it's like.

00:42:10.000 Speaking of which, there's an article in the New York Times today that I was reading on a guy that we knew, Jason Harrison.

00:42:17.000 And it just talks about his CTE and how bad it was.

00:42:22.000 And, you know, Jason is a guy who founded this clothing company that we know called Kuyu.

00:42:28.000 And he'd been on the podcast before.

00:42:31.000 I knew him pretty well.

00:42:32.000 Yeah, it's crazy because something you never would have guessed how bad it was either.

00:42:36.000 Yeah, because...

00:42:36.000 Every time I see him, he's happy.

00:42:38.000 He's awesome.

00:42:38.000 For people who don't know the story, he committed suicide.

00:42:41.000 About a year ago or so?

00:42:43.000 Yeah, about that, yeah.

00:42:44.000 And no one outside of it saw it coming.

00:42:48.000 It was just a giant, crazy blow. 0.98

00:42:50.000 And I was texting back and forth with one of his friends and essentially said, He had a broken brain, man.

00:43:00.000 It didn't make sense because when your brain's broken, it's like having a broken phone.

00:43:05.000 It's like having a broken anything.

00:43:07.000 It's just broken.

00:43:08.000 It's not working right.

00:43:09.000 It's irrational.

00:43:10.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:43:12.000 I couldn't imagine the thoughts that had been going through his head to have that happen.

00:43:15.000 I was texting him two weeks before it happened, talking about going on a hunt with him and doing this and that, and he's talking about how great the business is doing.

00:43:23.000 You'd think he's living the American dream.

00:43:25.000 So it's tough, man.

00:43:27.000 I couldn't even put myself to have that kind of torture.

00:43:30.000 He was friends with Donald Jr., Donald Trump Jr., and they hunted together, and he was talking to him just a few hours before.

00:43:38.000 Everything was fine.

00:43:40.000 Yeah.

00:43:40.000 They're going back and forth with each other.

00:43:42.000 Everybody was blown away.

00:43:43.000 What happened?

00:43:44.000 How could this possibly happen?

00:43:47.000 Scary thing, more reason for us to be smart as we possibly can with our training.

00:43:51.000 Yes, 100%.

00:43:52.000 That's what I was going to get into.

00:43:55.000 There is a way to train hard but save your body from especially critical damage like brain damage.

00:44:03.000 There is a way to do that.

00:44:04.000 And Dwayne has been a savior to me because of that.

00:44:07.000 You know, Dwayne with his experience of fighting and being through the gyms and him probably going too hard himself.

00:44:12.000 We've learned a lot of hard drilling and live drilling through him that is probably going to prolong my career and hopefully my life.

00:44:21.000 And not going as hard and just sparring.

00:44:23.000 Because before Dwayne, when I was at Offmel, we sparred like three or four times a week.

00:44:27.000 We just went.

00:44:27.000 That's what we did.

00:44:28.000 We were wrestlers and that's how we knew how to get better was just go.

00:44:31.000 And then he came in and started teaching us how to drill and how to really get better in your reaction times and everything with fighting without having to beat yourself up so much.

00:44:41.000 Injuries were less.

00:44:42.000 I wasn't getting injured as much.

00:44:44.000 And I actually got a lot better, too.

00:44:47.000 Yeah, I think sparring is critical.

00:44:48.000 I think it is important.

00:44:49.000 But I think maybe as critical or maybe more is drilling.

00:44:53.000 And this is with all martial arts, including jiu-jitsu.

00:44:56.000 And jiu-jitsu, you know, you do jiu-jitsu.

00:44:59.000 It's fun.

00:45:00.000 So everybody wants to just slap hands, punch knuckles, and start rolling.

00:45:04.000 Because it's fun.

00:45:05.000 It's like a fun game you're doing.

00:45:07.000 It's a good release.

00:45:08.000 Yeah.

00:45:09.000 But the best way to get better at it is to constantly drill.

00:45:13.000 And then you develop these pathways that are just ingrained in your subconscious.

00:45:17.000 And so when you're in that half guard position, you immediately go for that underhook.

00:45:21.000 You know the path.

00:45:23.000 You know where to go.

00:45:24.000 Instead of ad-libbing and thinking while you're in the middle of a roll.

00:45:27.000 And when you see guys that come from camps where they don't drill, they only do like one technique at the beginning of the class, you'll notice a technical deficiency.

00:45:35.000 As opposed to someone who comes from Hickson School or someone who comes from a school that's very technical or the Mendez Brothers or something.

00:45:43.000 It's so important to look at the sport, whether it's MMA or kickboxing or jiu-jitsu, whatever it is, but to look at it like a puzzle.

00:45:55.000 You're trying to figure out what's the best way to solve this.

00:45:59.000 What Dwayne has done for you It's been pretty remarkable as far as giving you footwork skills and tools to move around and angles.

00:46:09.000 I've watched you guys drill and train together.

00:46:11.000 It's really amazing stuff.

00:46:14.000 Yeah, stuff that we think is simple and then we go and teach another gym and they're just like, wait, what?

00:46:18.000 Can you guys do that like 10 more times?

00:46:19.000 We need to see that again.

00:46:20.000 It's like, oh, alright.

00:46:22.000 So we've just been doing like the footwork I've created with Dwayne.

00:46:25.000 He wasn't a footwork guy.

00:46:26.000 When he fought, he was straight forward.

00:46:28.000 I know, isn't that crazy?

00:46:28.000 And then like he's the one that's created all these angles with me and now we've created a whole new style.

00:46:33.000 It's so funny that he saw that kind of while he was fighting and then after he was fighting, he's implementing it on new fighters and didn't do it himself.

00:46:41.000 Yeah.

00:46:42.000 And he laughs about it.

00:46:43.000 Yeah.

00:46:43.000 He wishes he probably would have had someone like himself coach him, obviously.

00:46:47.000 Fucking for sure. 0.99

00:46:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:49.000 Everybody does.

00:46:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:50.000 He's a fucking wizard, man. 1.00

00:46:52.000 He is. 1.00

00:46:52.000 Well, because he doesn't stop thinking about it either, too. 1.00

00:46:54.000 He's like a Sam Calvita.

00:46:56.000 I'm telling you, I have...

00:46:58.000 I'm the best coaches in the world around me.

00:47:00.000 He's like Sam Calvita of striking and MMA. And I'm trying to convince him to come to Southern California and start a professional fight team so that we can help recreate what we do for everyone.

00:47:09.000 Trying to get him to move out here?

00:47:10.000 Yeah.

00:47:11.000 But he loves Colorado.

00:47:12.000 He does.

00:47:13.000 But he also loves being the best coach in the world.

00:47:17.000 So I'm hoping that I can convince him enough that he'll do that.

00:47:19.000 How close do you think you are to convincing him?

00:47:22.000 I think I'm close.

00:47:24.000 Dwayne!

00:47:24.000 Dwayne, I know you're listening, brother.

00:47:26.000 You know you want to come to California.

00:47:28.000 I've never seen anybody with this detailed instruction manual, like the way he breaks down his system for striking.

00:47:35.000 I mean, it's really remarkable.

00:47:37.000 Even when he comes in here to talk to you, he'll have a system written in his house, what he wants to talk about, what he wants to do.

00:47:43.000 The guy doesn't stop thinking.

00:47:44.000 He's on top of his stuff.

00:47:46.000 He's OCD in a good way.

00:47:47.000 Yeah, in the best way.

00:47:48.000 In the best way, absolutely.

00:47:49.000 Well, it's like you were saying about being competitive. 0.98

00:47:51.000 I mean, I think it's, you, the idea that you're going to be this balanced, chilled out person and still be a fucking world smasher. 0.98

00:47:58.000 Good luck with that. 0.96

00:47:59.000 I'm the farthest thing from relaxed and chill, you know?

00:48:03.000 I try to work on it.

00:48:04.000 But when you're training, there's a mindset that's required to beat the best guys.

00:48:09.000 And it's not the same mindset that's required to get good.

00:48:13.000 You can get good and be a chilled out, relaxed person.

00:48:16.000 Say you want to be a black belt in jujitsu.

00:48:18.000 That's totally possible.

00:48:19.000 You can be really good.

00:48:20.000 People can go, hey, look at Mike, man.

00:48:22.000 Mike has got a great triangle.

00:48:23.000 Watch him roll.

00:48:24.000 Wow, he's really good. 1.00

00:48:25.000 But if Mike wants to be the motherfucker of motherfuckers, you better be crazy. 1.00

00:48:29.000 You better be goddamn crazy. 1.00

00:48:31.000 You better be like Mike Tyson when he was young. 1.00

00:48:33.000 Be those Michael Jordans you're talking about that are always thinking about it.

00:48:36.000 Roy Jones Jr. Yes.

00:48:37.000 All those guys. 1.00

00:48:38.000 You've got to be a fucking crazy person. 1.00

00:48:40.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:48:41.000 Remember when Roy Jones Jr. played a professional basketball game the day of his fight? 0.99

00:48:45.000 Played a goddamn basketball game the day of his fight. 0.99

00:48:47.000 That's a competitive dude. 1.00

00:48:48.000 And he's just an athlete.

00:48:50.000 Yeah.

00:48:51.000 I mean, I just don't think there's any other way.

00:48:53.000 I mean, I think if you're going to win a race, you're going to redline the engine.

00:48:58.000 I just don't see how you're going to beat the best guy.

00:49:01.000 Everybody is trying their best.

00:49:03.000 This is the thing.

00:49:04.000 There's so much going on there.

00:49:06.000 I mean, you could have a really good coach, so you have an advantage, technically.

00:49:11.000 You could have a really good group of guys you train with, so you have an advantage in the environment that you're training in, and there's a lot of inspiration. 0.99

00:49:18.000 But if you're not a fucking psychopath, good luck. 0.99

00:49:23.000 Good luck. 1.00

00:49:23.000 I agree with you 100%, man. 1.00

00:49:26.000 I agree with you because that's how I am, though, too.

00:49:28.000 I know.

00:49:28.000 That's why I'm saying it.

00:49:30.000 I mean, people who wonder why you're so fucking crazy, like, that's why you're so good. 0.95

00:49:35.000 There's no other way around this game. 0.93

00:49:37.000 I appreciate it.

00:49:38.000 I mean...

00:49:39.000 Listen, I appreciate it too.

00:49:40.000 I mean, for me, as a fan and as a professional commentator, you know, this is, it's important to me.

00:49:47.000 If there's not people like you out there that are raising the bar, you know, people like you and Henry Cejudo and just, you can go through the list of champions, the great fighters that are around today.

00:49:57.000 This is the best time in the history of the world to see martial arts.

00:50:02.000 There's never been better martial arts.

00:50:05.000 Never.

00:50:05.000 Well, the information is so easily accessible as well, too.

00:50:08.000 When I was wrestling as a kid, yeah, we're talking about drilling.

00:50:11.000 I remember being a kid and drilling the same move thousands of times.

00:50:14.000 You're like, why are we doing this again?

00:50:15.000 You're so bored.

00:50:16.000 How did I learn this?

00:50:17.000 But now I understand it being a professional, how important it is.

00:50:20.000 And now how easy information...

00:50:22.000 For instance, I created my Fit to Fight program, my online academy thing.

00:50:25.000 And I'm showing technique that I've learned over my whole entire life and it created me a year to create it.

00:50:30.000 But I'm giving you information.

00:50:31.000 When I was starting up, I wish I could have learned from other world champions just by going online.

00:50:36.000 Or when I was a wrestler, if I wanted to learn Sam Calavita's nutrition plan, I can just go online and check it out.

00:50:41.000 Yeah.

00:50:42.000 Sam has a whole online program, correct?

00:50:44.000 Yeah.

00:50:45.000 He has an app he started called Train Champ.

00:50:47.000 It's on his website, traininglab.com.

00:50:50.000 Is it Android and iPhone?

00:50:52.000 Is it for both?

00:50:53.000 Yeah.

00:50:54.000 It'll go through his workout routines.

00:50:56.000 It goes through the supplementation he puts me on.

00:50:59.000 It has certain recipes that I've been on throughout my fight camp.

00:51:02.000 The first one he created was around me first because we put so much work in to go 25. So we created a whole supplementation and diet plan and workout plan of what I did.

00:51:13.000 And put it out there accessible for people.

00:51:14.000 I mean, he even has a...

00:51:15.000 You can even get a hair analysis on his app.

00:51:18.000 You send in, like, they send you a little kit.

00:51:20.000 You cut off on the back of your head where your brainstem's at.

00:51:22.000 You cut off your hair and you send...

00:51:24.000 Why are the brainstems at? 0.88

00:51:25.000 That's where all your nutrition comes out at.

00:51:26.000 Whoa.

00:51:27.000 That's where all the nutrients from your nervous system will come through. 0.99

00:51:30.000 Who the fuck figured that out? 0.99

00:51:31.000 They burn the hair and they get the toxins from it. 1.00

00:51:34.000 That's how I found out I have too much arsenic in my body.

00:51:37.000 What were you eating that gave you that arsenic?

00:51:39.000 He thinks maybe the rice or maybe my tattoos.

00:51:42.000 Tattoos?

00:51:44.000 It's really big in tobacco.

00:51:48.000 Arsenic is big in tobacco?

00:51:50.000 Mm-hmm.

00:51:50.000 Really?

00:51:51.000 So like if you chew?

00:51:52.000 Yeah, I used to chew in college.

00:51:55.000 Yeah, but that wouldn't be still in your system, I don't think.

00:51:57.000 Well, your body won't get rid of heavy metals unless you make it to get rid of heavy metals.

00:52:00.000 You have to do like a detox.

00:52:02.000 What do you do?

00:52:03.000 So I juice.

00:52:04.000 I do a lot of juicing.

00:52:05.000 But I juice like a quarter cup of cilantro every day within all my juices.

00:52:11.000 Cilantro is effective in getting heavy metals out of your system?

00:52:14.000 Yeah, big time.

00:52:15.000 And same with methionine.

00:52:16.000 It's been on burritos too.

00:52:17.000 Yeah.

00:52:19.000 Methionite.

00:52:20.000 Well, juicing, you actually absorb a lot more of the nutrients when you cold-press juice it compared to just eating it.

00:52:24.000 I can eat a whole table of fruits and vegetables and I'll absorb more of the nutrients from it if I juice it rather than just eating it raw.

00:52:31.000 Really?

00:52:32.000 Interesting.

00:52:33.000 Because your body doesn't break it down the same.

00:52:34.000 But then I also take methionine.

00:52:36.000 I don't know how to pronounce it, but it's an amino that helps push out heavy metals.

00:52:42.000 Chlorella and spirulina will help push out heavy metals.

00:52:47.000 What else does he have me on?

00:52:50.000 I tested positive for arsenic back in the day because I was eating too much sardines.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, they're heavy in sardines.

00:52:55.000 Yeah, but all I did is just back off the sardines and it went away. 0.92

00:52:58.000 You tested it again?

00:52:59.000 Yeah.

00:52:59.000 Oh really?

00:53:00.000 Yeah.

00:53:00.000 And you never tried pushing it out, huh?

00:53:02.000 I didn't do shit. 0.99

00:53:03.000 Huh. 0.60

00:53:03.000 Interesting. 0.60

00:53:04.000 Yeah.

00:53:05.000 How did you test it though?

00:53:06.000 Blood work?

00:53:07.000 Blood work.

00:53:07.000 So the blood work, that's the difference though.

00:53:10.000 When you do your blood, it's only right then and there what's in your body.

00:53:12.000 So when you do your hormone levels, you have to go in in the morning and get your blood drawn before you eat or drink anything.

00:53:17.000 Right.

00:53:18.000 Because it's what's in your body right then and there.

00:53:20.000 But when you do a hair analysis, it's what's in your body the last nine months.

00:53:24.000 It tells you more what's in your actual body over time.

00:53:28.000 Because you might have just pushed the arsenic out of your blood rather than out of everything.

00:53:33.000 At least that's what he told me.

00:53:34.000 And he's a mathematician by trade?

00:53:36.000 Is that what he is?

00:53:37.000 He's a calculus teacher at a private school.

00:53:40.000 The world's best calculus teacher.

00:53:42.000 He won some award.

00:53:44.000 His kids that take the placement test, his advanced placement test, they all got 100%.

00:53:49.000 I think there's a kid that missed one question.

00:53:51.000 That's crazy.

00:53:52.000 Just one kid.

00:53:53.000 There's kids that travel all over the world to come to his school because of his accolades of being a Catechist teacher.

00:53:58.000 Wow.

00:53:58.000 I mean, numbers never lie.

00:54:00.000 I think that's what was always drawn to his results and his studies is always numbers.

00:54:06.000 Everything comes back to the numbers of your body, your hormone levels, of my heart rate variability.

00:54:12.000 Everything's done by numbers.

00:54:14.000 Wow.

00:54:14.000 So this is all a system that he devised himself.

00:54:18.000 Did he...

00:54:19.000 I mean, does he have a background in combat sports at all?

00:54:23.000 He wrestled.

00:54:23.000 So he wrestled at Cal State Fullerton.

00:54:25.000 He was a big time wrestler.

00:54:26.000 And then he was the world's strongest man.

00:54:28.000 They did like that at Disneyland.

00:54:30.000 They used to do the world's strongest man.

00:54:31.000 And he won for like the nation's strongest man competitions.

00:54:35.000 He was huge.

00:54:35.000 He used to be giant.

00:54:36.000 How much did he weigh?

00:54:38.000 Like 260, 280. And now he's probably like 160, 170 pounds.

00:54:43.000 That's crazy.

00:54:43.000 Yeah, he was giant.

00:54:45.000 Like you could stack a cup on his chest.

00:54:46.000 His chest was so big, you know?

00:54:49.000 I would never guess that looking at him.

00:54:51.000 He looks like a marathon runner.

00:54:52.000 He is now.

00:54:52.000 He does Ironmans.

00:54:54.000 Wow.

00:54:55.000 So I think he had some health issues from getting so big and being so strong.

00:55:01.000 He decided to switch things up and he just got into his body because he started doing Ironmans.

00:55:06.000 And he wanted to get better at being an Ironman, so really got into how to train himself.

00:55:10.000 And now he's done 14 Ironmans.

00:55:13.000 He's qualified for Kona now.

00:55:15.000 He's going to do Kona in October.

00:55:17.000 Wow.

00:55:17.000 How old is he?

00:55:19.000 I'll say 53 or 54. Wow.

00:55:22.000 I think he just turned 54. Still getting after it.

00:55:25.000 Yeah, man.

00:55:25.000 Every day.

00:55:27.000 I went and worked out with him yesterday.

00:55:28.000 And then when I got there, he'll get in the garage and he'll do a two-hour bike ride and then get on the treadmill and he's always doing power intervals.

00:55:36.000 Will he come in and do a podcast?

00:55:38.000 I can kind of talk him to.

00:55:40.000 He tries to hide everything he does.

00:55:43.000 He doesn't want his intellectual value getting out there.

00:55:45.000 He puts a lot of work into it.

00:55:46.000 And I think he'd be really good on your podcast because some of the guys you come in here, information goes way over your head.

00:55:51.000 But it's nice to be able to listen to it again and listen to it again.

00:55:53.000 Right, right, yeah.

00:55:54.000 I'd like to convince him to come on.

00:55:55.000 I think it'd be really interesting.

00:55:57.000 I don't know if he would.

00:55:58.000 He's a real sheltered kind of guy.

00:55:59.000 What do you think would be easier to do?

00:56:00.000 Talk Dwayne into moving to California or talk Calvita into coming on here?

00:56:04.000 Man, I think maybe talking Dwayne to come to California.

00:56:07.000 Really?

00:56:08.000 I don't know.

00:56:09.000 Just got to get him used to that beach life.

00:56:11.000 Yeah.

00:56:12.000 So he's been coming down.

00:56:14.000 My fight camp was 10 weeks long with him.

00:56:18.000 It was longer, but with him it was 10 weeks.

00:56:20.000 And he was flying out three days a week.

00:56:22.000 So every Monday he would land, he would leave Wednesday night.

00:56:24.000 Wow.

00:56:25.000 And we would train Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday hard, right?

00:56:28.000 And make sure to take Thursday off and then do my other stuff while he's gone.

00:56:32.000 But every week he was traveling back and forth. 0.99

00:56:33.000 That's fucking dedication right there. 0.99

00:56:35.000 Dude, I have... 0.99

00:56:36.000 We're family now.

00:56:37.000 He's lived in my house.

00:56:39.000 He's on the meal plans with the Calvitas.

00:56:41.000 He's full bore into it.

00:56:43.000 He gives me his all.

00:56:44.000 I'm a very fortunate person to have met Dwayne.

00:56:47.000 It's an amazing relationship.

00:56:48.000 Our relationship, yeah, how close it is.

00:56:50.000 It really is.

00:56:51.000 That's the ideal when you can get a mentor and a student that have that kind of a bond together and you can learn so much. 0.90

00:56:59.000 Yeah, and he won't let, like, we have such a good bond now, too, that he won't, like, let bullshit slide.

00:57:04.000 He won't be pumping me up for no reason.

00:57:06.000 He won't, like, let me, I mean, I'm not a lazy guy, but if I was, he wouldn't let me, like, mispractice or, you know, I mean, he almost has to pull me back more than anything, but he gives me this true assessment of what needs to be done.

00:57:17.000 Yeah.

00:57:20.000 I obviously lost to Sudo.

00:57:21.000 We got home and he instantly texted me.

00:57:23.000 He's like, hey, I'm coming out tomorrow.

00:57:24.000 I'm going to work out with Juan, but I'd love to get some work in with you.

00:57:26.000 Some things we should go over.

00:57:27.000 I was like, alright.

00:57:29.000 So I was working out with him three days after the fight.

00:57:32.000 What did he say about that exchange?

00:57:35.000 He says maybe he needs to change some things on the mitts.

00:57:39.000 So, for instance, the whole exchange, I think I closed the distance too hard.

00:57:43.000 Henry Sudha switched up who he was as a fighter.

00:57:45.000 I think he came out differently, which was great by him.

00:57:48.000 He's done great things.

00:57:50.000 I expected him to maybe run a little bit more, and he came out aggressive.

00:57:53.000 And so getting used to the distance control, not always having a set plan and going for those combos of what I think is going to happen to be able to adjust on the fly.

00:58:02.000 And maybe me and him, sometimes we are too set on certain things rather than reaction time stuff.

00:58:09.000 And I need to react to distance change.

00:58:10.000 I need to react to things like that.

00:58:12.000 It's hard to really change anything on that fight because I didn't get a chance to see it either.

00:58:16.000 It was so quick.

00:58:19.000 Now, have you talked to Dana or anyone since?

00:58:22.000 I know you said that you guys would talk in the future, but it's been about, what, how many days?

00:58:26.000 It's been about a week or so?

00:58:27.000 It's been about a week and a half.

00:58:30.000 It's been a week and a half now, yeah.

00:58:31.000 I haven't heard anything since the day after the fight.

00:58:35.000 I was texting with him the day after the fight, and he said they had to sit down and figure out what the plan is, kind of thing.

00:58:40.000 But obviously, everyone knows that we want to run it back, and it sounds like they do as well, too.

00:58:46.000 Yeah.

00:58:46.000 Well, as far as something that people want to watch, whether it's at 35 or 25, I think people absolutely would like to see that.

00:58:52.000 I mean, at 35, the big selling point would be Henry gets a chance to become champ champ.

00:58:56.000 Of course.

00:58:57.000 I'll fight him at 25 and put my 35-pound belt on the line.

00:58:59.000 I think that works that way.

00:59:01.000 I know, it doesn't.

00:59:01.000 But I'm saying, if you beat me, I seriously don't even care.

00:59:08.000 The belts are awesome, all that stuff, and the recognition, all that stuff.

00:59:11.000 But to me, I want that win back.

00:59:13.000 I want that opportunity back to even just show...

00:59:16.000 How much work and how smart I was and how I didn't get hit and I wasn't fragile from being at 25s.

00:59:24.000 I really wasn't.

00:59:26.000 I didn't get beat because I was a 25 pounder.

00:59:28.000 I have no excuses.

00:59:29.000 I got beat because I got beat, right?

00:59:31.000 I have no excuses that I was too fragile at being at 25s.

00:59:34.000 I felt better than I've ever felt in my entire life.

00:59:37.000 I just want the chance to prove that.

00:59:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:39.000 So that's why I say that I would give him my belt at 35s if he beats me at 25s again.

00:59:43.000 But I'll obviously take the fight wherever.

00:59:45.000 I mean, I think Ali needed Frazier, right?

00:59:48.000 Sugar Ray needed Tommy Hearns.

00:59:49.000 I mean, this is the nature of the sport.

00:59:52.000 And a guy like him, I mean, I think you and Cody needed each other.

00:59:55.000 I think there's something about that kind of intense rivalry that is so important for actualizing. 1.00

01:00:04.000 And Cejudo's a motherfucker, man. 0.99

01:00:06.000 He's good. 1.00

01:00:06.000 He's an Olympic gold medalist. 1.00

01:00:08.000 He's a competitor.

01:00:09.000 He knows what he's doing, right?

01:00:11.000 I mean, just arguably from his accomplishments, he's one of the greatest combat sports athletes of all time.

01:00:15.000 The first guy ever to be an Olympic gold medalist and a UFC world champion.

01:00:19.000 The gold medalist thing, I even hold even higher for him than even being a world champion.

01:00:24.000 Obviously, UFC champion's huge, right?

01:00:26.000 But I wrestled my whole life. 0.98

01:00:27.000 I grew up wrestling, and to be an Olympic gold medalist is a fucking huge thing. 0.58

01:00:31.000 I still think today wrestling's the hardest sport I've ever done.

01:00:34.000 And to see that achievement, especially how young he did it at, I almost hold that higher than him being a UFC champion.

01:00:41.000 Well, also the fact that he was beat by DJ, he beat by Mighty Mouse in the first round.

01:00:47.000 He gets destroyed.

01:00:47.000 He gets kneed to the body, taken out, beaten up, and stopped and humiliated, right?

01:00:53.000 Comes back, and what was it like, two years later?

01:00:57.000 I think it was Deez, yeah.

01:00:58.000 And beats him. 0.95

01:00:59.000 I mean, becomes the fucking champ and beats the pound-for-pound consensus best fighter on the planet and the guy that had held that title from the very first time it was ever brought to the UFC. He's been the only flyweight champion until Henry came along. 0.98

01:01:14.000 And that's another reason why I want that fight, man.

01:01:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:17.000 I know that I'm better than him.

01:01:19.000 Obviously... 0.96

01:01:20.000 People are going to give me shit for saying that, because obviously the fight, they all think it went down the way it went down, but guess what? 1.00

01:01:25.000 I'm better than that motherfucker, and I want to prove it. 1.00

01:01:27.000 I want the toughest fights. 0.99

01:01:28.000 I mean, that's why I was calling out Max Holloway.

01:01:30.000 I wanted to beat Henry Cejudo.

01:01:32.000 I wanted to call out Max Holloway.

01:01:33.000 With Sam Calvita, I could be walking around 165 pounds with 6% body fat.

01:01:38.000 Really?

01:01:39.000 100%.

01:01:39.000 This guy, man, he can stack the weight on me.

01:01:41.000 He can take it off me.

01:01:42.000 I can go...

01:01:43.000 I have a secret weapon with Sam Calvita, I'm telling you.

01:01:46.000 It's not a secret.

01:01:47.000 You just blurted it out.

01:01:49.000 But he won't work with everyone.

01:01:51.000 He won't do it.

01:01:52.000 Yeah, if you come to him, unless you fit who he likes, if you fit his image, what does he like?

01:01:57.000 We work out of his garage.

01:01:58.000 I know, which is so crazy.

01:02:00.000 He could have a giant facility with all his hard work and science he does, but he likes the grit of having it in his house.

01:02:06.000 He gets home from work, he's all dressed up in his tie, sometimes we're already there waiting for him and he doesn't even change.

01:02:12.000 He's out there throwing medicine balls at our face in his tie and all dressed up in his suit from work. 1.00

01:02:16.000 He likes that shit. 1.00

01:02:18.000 He could probably not even be a calculus teacher anymore and just be a strength and conditioning coach. 1.00

01:02:22.000 But that's not what he wants.

01:02:24.000 He's not in it for the fame and the money.

01:02:26.000 He's in it for the science and the love of doing it.

01:02:29.000 I want to see that garage.

01:02:30.000 Pull up his garage because this doesn't... 0.97

01:02:33.000 Now, I'm thinking about how big my fucking gym out here is. 0.96

01:02:36.000 You couldn't even park two cars in it. 0.99

01:02:39.000 It's a small garage.

01:02:40.000 We have one squat rack.

01:02:42.000 We have a spot to do like our cleans and our deadlifts.

01:02:46.000 What he really has is he has three bikes.

01:02:51.000 So there it is.

01:02:53.000 That's crazy.

01:02:54.000 So it's a very small two-car garage that he's got filled with a bunch of murderers.

01:02:58.000 Yeah, he's got like three bikes that we ride.

01:03:00.000 Jesus Christ, imagine walking by if you were a girl.

01:03:02.000 Dude, all the time.

01:03:04.000 People walk by all the time.

01:03:06.000 We're in the garage and I'm yelling when I'm in there working out because he's pushing us.

01:03:09.000 Sometimes our workouts are three hours long.

01:03:12.000 There's a park across the street and we're throwing medicine balls at each other.

01:03:16.000 Go back to that last one with Pico, please.

01:03:18.000 Yeah, you get a chance to see what's in the garage.

01:03:20.000 So I guess he parks his car in the driveway.

01:03:22.000 Oh yeah, he doesn't park.

01:03:24.000 That's his sanctuary, man.

01:03:25.000 That's crazy. 0.57

01:03:26.000 He's got these stationary bikes in there where he kills us on.

01:03:28.000 That's like how we push our lactate thresholds.

01:03:31.000 So what is he?

01:03:32.000 He's doing something with bands right here?

01:03:34.000 Yeah, that's for us.

01:03:35.000 He does a lot of things with bands, right?

01:03:36.000 Yeah, because you get the eccentric and concentric contraction.

01:03:40.000 He's like, what he's doing right there is for your shoulder stability, your rotator cuffs.

01:03:44.000 With the jiu-jitsu and the wrestling, your shoulders take a beating.

01:03:47.000 So that's kind of really just strengthening it.

01:03:50.000 Yeah, I do a lot of cuff stuff because of all the different injuries that I've had.

01:03:54.000 I do a lot of band stuff with my, you know, like this way.

01:03:58.000 External rotation, internal rotation stuff.

01:04:00.000 Yeah, bands are great.

01:04:01.000 Now, why bands though as opposed to cables, like cables with stacks of weight?

01:04:06.000 Why does he use bands?

01:04:08.000 Probably just what's what we have.

01:04:09.000 I mean, if you had a nice Kaiser machine in there, maybe we'd use it.

01:04:12.000 But I think the resistance coming back really, really wants to pull.

01:04:16.000 The further you extend a band, the harder it wants to pull you back.

01:04:19.000 To where when you have a weight on there, it's the exact same weight going in and out.

01:04:22.000 Right.

01:04:23.000 To where the further you extend that band, the harder you make it on yourself.

01:04:26.000 I think there's just more you can do with it, and it's just very easy and takes up no space.

01:04:30.000 Right, right.

01:04:31.000 We do a lot of medicine ball work for our core and for our shoulders as well, too.

01:04:35.000 Like, catching in weird angles with keeping our balance. 0.98

01:04:39.000 We do, like, a lot of, like, kind of like old school shit, but in a certain way in a certain time. 0.99

01:04:46.000 Yeah, and so how does he get all that shit into his garage? 0.99

01:04:49.000 Does he have to pull stuff out into the driveway? 0.99

01:04:51.000 There's stuff on the side of his house.

01:04:52.000 He's got, like, a little Chessie stack stuff into.

01:04:55.000 Yeah.

01:04:57.000 Man, a lot of it, he doesn't need much.

01:05:00.000 He really doesn't.

01:05:01.000 There's a lot of work you can do with just body weight.

01:05:04.000 I mean, we have 100-pound medicine balls.

01:05:06.000 We've got these big logs.

01:05:08.000 It's almost like the strongman competitions.

01:05:10.000 There's a big hill next to his house that he makes us carry these 100-pound logs, and we have the farmers carry them up the hill, and we're doing it with a partner.

01:05:18.000 When I get up so far, I drop my run back.

01:05:20.000 I get the 100-pound medicine ball.

01:05:21.000 I have to sprint up the hill with it.

01:05:23.000 Things like that where you're pushing your lactate threshold over time.

01:05:27.000 Wow.

01:05:27.000 Yeah.

01:05:28.000 And how does he schedule the training sessions?

01:05:31.000 Like, how does he know what to have you do and when?

01:05:34.000 Off of our timeframe of when we want to peak, off of my heart rate variability and how my body's reacting to our training, because maybe I sparred and I did mitts too hard with Dwayne, so I wake up the next morning and he realizes, oh, we got to pull back today.

01:05:48.000 Like, if I push you hard today, you're going to go in such a deep hole that's going to take you a week to come out of it.

01:05:53.000 Mm-hmm.

01:05:53.000 To where he only wants me to get to that really high peak, take a day off, so that now I can start coming back up again.

01:05:59.000 To where if I just continue for four or five days just crushing it, going as hard as I possibly can, my body's going to crash so hard that it's going to be more of a detriment to come out of that hole than if I would have just taken a break in between those days.

01:06:13.000 So our schedules will change.

01:06:15.000 We have a schedule from the beginning.

01:06:17.000 So say I'm 12 weeks out.

01:06:18.000 Like, alright, this is our plan.

01:06:19.000 This is what we're going to do.

01:06:20.000 But then maybe I get sick.

01:06:22.000 Or maybe I trained too hard with Dwayne the day before.

01:06:25.000 And so he'll realize, alright, this next day let's go a little bit easier.

01:06:28.000 Even if it's my jiu-jitsu, he knows I'm going to jiu-jitsu practice.

01:06:31.000 He's like, maybe just drill.

01:06:33.000 You know, go with Felipe and just make sure it's like a low-base drill.

01:06:35.000 Like don't get your heart rate over such and such.

01:06:37.000 Which I don't roll with the heart rate monitor on.

01:06:39.000 But I can kind of just guess, you know, how hard I need to go.

01:06:42.000 Yeah, I've never...

01:06:43.000 Could you?

01:06:44.000 I guess you could.

01:06:45.000 Does anybody?

01:06:45.000 Do you know anybody that does?

01:06:47.000 No.

01:06:47.000 It seems like it would get knocked off or something.

01:06:49.000 Yeah.

01:06:50.000 I mean, maybe for drilling.

01:06:51.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 So when he's got you doing all this crazy stuff like deadlifts and plyos and medicine ball work...

01:07:00.000 Is there a logic to what exercises are done when?

01:07:05.000 Because it seems like you're doing all this old school stuff, badass stuff, but my question is always, when do you do that?

01:07:14.000 Is that done once a week?

01:07:17.000 Is that done early in the training camp?

01:07:20.000 Is it done late?

01:07:21.000 When are you doing strength work?

01:07:23.000 Because you were saying you were doing cleans the week out.

01:07:27.000 So when I'm doing those, like a week out, I'm doing only a certain amount of reps.

01:07:32.000 I'm maybe not taxing my body for as long as I would in earlier camp.

01:07:37.000 Even though I'm going heavy, maybe I'm only doing two sets.

01:07:40.000 Just to keep my central nervous system strong.

01:07:43.000 Other than just taxing yourself.

01:07:46.000 Or there's certain days he needs to get explosive power work.

01:07:50.000 Or some days I need to do cadence, fast feet cardio work.

01:07:55.000 And he has that all mapped out on what days are what, what weeks are what, depending on where I'm at in my fight camp, or if I'm going 25s and if I want to stay as strong as I was at 35s, things like that.

01:08:06.000 Or if I end up going 45s to be able to keep my cardio up.

01:08:11.000 Because the thing was, if I were to go 45s, I'm going to have to put so much more muscle on.

01:08:14.000 The worry is that I'm going to lose cardio.

01:08:16.000 But he wants to be able to keep that lactate threshold and keep my cardio if I'm able to Walk around at 165 pounds.

01:08:23.000 Now, what other stuff does he have you doing for recovery?

01:08:25.000 Are you doing any sauna work?

01:08:26.000 Are you doing ice baths?

01:08:28.000 What kind of stuff?

01:08:29.000 I have an infrared sauna.

01:08:30.000 I do red light therapy.

01:08:33.000 I do...

01:08:37.000 What do you mean by red light therapy?

01:08:39.000 There's a machine that I have in my house.

01:08:41.000 It's called a Juve.

01:08:43.000 It's a big red light.

01:08:44.000 It's a 680 to 880 nanometer light that I stand in front of it for a certain amount of time to not only increase my testosterone but to help recovery and my mitochondria and my cells and flush my body out.

01:08:59.000 What does that thing look like?

01:09:00.000 Whoa, look at that.

01:09:01.000 Dude, you're in the future.

01:09:02.000 Yeah.

01:09:02.000 Is that you?

01:09:03.000 No.

01:09:04.000 It looks like it. 0.94

01:09:05.000 Dude's jacked. 0.61

01:09:06.000 Yeah.

01:09:07.000 But yeah, I have one of those in my garage.

01:09:09.000 I have an infrared sauna in my garage.

01:09:12.000 How big is that thing?

01:09:15.000 There's new ones now that are huge.

01:09:16.000 I guess it's as big as my body.

01:09:18.000 They have ones that go on the back of your door.

01:09:20.000 They have travel ones you can take with you that's really small.

01:09:22.000 Really?

01:09:23.000 The reason why I got into it was for increasing my testosterone and the motility of my sperm.

01:09:29.000 Holla! 1.00

01:09:30.000 Yeah, because I was having, my testosterone was low, and I wanted to increase it, and I saw this through Matt Brown, actually.

01:09:38.000 Matt Brown's the one that kind of got me this when I was out in Colorado.

01:09:40.000 Shout out to the immortal.

01:09:40.000 He's got some awesome training equipment himself.

01:09:42.000 Yeah, and he's a very knowledgeable, very well-read guy.

01:09:45.000 Very.

01:09:46.000 And you wouldn't, like, people wouldn't guess that.

01:09:48.000 Well, when I had him on the podcast, that's one of the things a lot of people said.

01:09:51.000 They go, I thought that the guy was a caveman.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, right?

01:09:53.000 And he kind of is, but he's also kind of brilliant.

01:09:56.000 He wants to be the caveman, like manly man, but he's very smart about it.

01:10:02.000 So he's the one that turned me on to that.

01:10:04.000 And so I got into it and I wanted to increase my testosterone, but I also read about increasing motility in my sperm.

01:10:11.000 I was trying to have a kid and we're having trouble and this and that.

01:10:13.000 And it could be that, could have been my diet.

01:10:15.000 I switched so much up that I can't tell you which one it was, you know, because Sam helped me out.

01:10:20.000 This helped me out.

01:10:21.000 I mean, so I'm I'm doing that.

01:10:23.000 I'll do hyperbaric chamber.

01:10:24.000 I'll do cryotherapy.

01:10:25.000 How often do you do the hyperbaric chamber?

01:10:27.000 Only when I need it, because it can mess with your hematocrit.

01:10:33.000 I do a lot of altitude training as well, too.

01:10:35.000 I'm trying to increase my red blood cell count and my hematocrit.

01:10:39.000 And then when you go and you get into a hyperbaric chamber, you're breathing 100% oxygen.

01:10:43.000 So if I'm in it too much, it will lower my hematocrit, right?

01:10:49.000 He has the same as an altitude machine he has me use.

01:10:52.000 It's called AutoLab.

01:10:54.000 I breathe into it for a certain amount of time.

01:10:56.000 Again, another program he created.

01:10:57.000 The company was around, but he created the program that I'm supposed to do to put my body in a hypoxic state for only a certain amount of time.

01:11:05.000 Because you can overtrain yourself that way as well, too.

01:11:08.000 To increase my capillaries, increase the vasodilation in my veins, as well as increase red blood cells.

01:11:17.000 That's amazing because, you know, one of the things that's a big...

01:11:23.000 Mm-hmm.

01:11:25.000 Mm-hmm.

01:11:39.000 Exactly.

01:11:39.000 So I thought the same thing and then I met Sam and I actually felt this but I didn't understand it.

01:11:44.000 Your body can't recover the same or you can't push as hard at altitude and your body actually gets more dense at sea level when you're working out.

01:11:53.000 You're able to push harder and your recovery is better.

01:11:56.000 And same reason why I think sleeping in altitude wouldn't help either, because your body won't recover completely.

01:12:02.000 So I feel better training at sea level, but I use this Alto Lab for only a certain amount of time, on and off with breathing techniques, and I felt the best benefits with that.

01:12:13.000 So what does this thing look like?

01:12:15.000 You got it?

01:12:16.000 It's just a mask and it's got a bunch of cylinders on it and the more cylinders you stack on it, the more it's emulating the altitude.

01:12:27.000 So it's like breathing at 40,000 feet when you stack a lot of them on there.

01:12:33.000 So you're hooked up to this thing how?

01:12:35.000 You have a gas mask on it?

01:12:37.000 Yeah, you could use that where it's just like a snorkel, right?

01:12:40.000 Or it could be a gas mask kind of thing.

01:12:42.000 And you're doing it while you're training?

01:12:43.000 No.

01:12:44.000 Not doing it while I'm training.

01:12:45.000 I'm doing it while I'm resting.

01:12:47.000 On certain days, like a certain schedule.

01:12:49.000 I can't do it all the time.

01:12:51.000 So this thing, without training, this thing jacks up your cardio?

01:12:55.000 Yes.

01:12:55.000 It'll help with your...

01:12:57.000 What do I buy one of these?

01:12:59.000 So you just breathe?

01:13:02.000 Yeah, but I'd have to give you the technique. 0.77

01:13:05.000 Because you can overdo it as well.

01:13:07.000 And you can end up hurting yourself as well, too.

01:13:09.000 And how long do you do it for?

01:13:10.000 It says here 10 minutes or 60 minutes.

01:13:15.000 And then there's a program, initial 15-day program.

01:13:18.000 An hour breathing session will produce performance effects that last up to three weeks.

01:13:22.000 Jesus.

01:13:24.000 Wow.

01:13:25.000 So for a 60-minute session, six 10-minute sessions, 10-minute?

01:13:30.000 What's wrong with my voice?

01:13:31.000 Six 10-minute sessions or 10-minute intervals per hour.

01:13:34.000 So you do six minutes on, four minutes off.

01:13:36.000 So six per hour.

01:13:39.000 And so you're basically doing these intervals where you're just breathing?

01:13:44.000 Yeah, and it's one of those things.

01:13:46.000 So you have an oxygen reader on your finger that tells you your oxygen levels because you want to put yourself in a hypoxic state.

01:13:52.000 Right.

01:13:52.000 And there's certain levels that Sam wants me to keep my body at.

01:13:55.000 He doesn't want me to go too low either because your body will start producing a hormone that tells you you're dying.

01:13:59.000 Oh, geez.

01:14:00.000 Yeah.

01:14:01.000 So Juan Archuleta, when I first met him, I was coaching Ultimate Fighter, came out and told me, he's like, hey, man, I've been breathing this thing.

01:14:08.000 Sam tells me to do it.

01:14:08.000 I'm like, all right.

01:14:09.000 What do I do?

01:14:10.000 He's like, just get your levels as low as you can.

01:14:12.000 I was like, Cool.

01:14:13.000 I ended up passing out.

01:14:15.000 You know me, I'm very competitive, right?

01:14:19.000 I was looking at it, and you're supposed to do it for six minutes, and I'm like, oh, I got like 30 seconds left, but it's getting hard.

01:14:24.000 I can make the rest 30 seconds.

01:14:26.000 Next thing I remember, I'm like, seizuring on the couch. 0.98

01:14:29.000 I fling this oxygen monitor off my finger, and then I wake up a couple minutes later, and I'm like, oh, shit, I passed out. 0.97

01:14:35.000 Wow. 0.77

01:14:37.000 Yeah, you don't want to do too much.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, 40,000 feet seems a little excessive.

01:14:41.000 Yeah, oh yeah.

01:14:41.000 But it seems like it would be amazing for hikers too or someone who does want to climb Everest or something like that to acclimate yourself to it.

01:14:47.000 The person that started, I think they started it for some sort of disease and obviously everyone runs with it for getting better results. 0.99

01:14:55.000 Dude, I'm buying one of those motherfuckers. 1.00

01:14:56.000 If I can get better endurance just sitting here and breathing. 0.99

01:14:58.000 But it's work though, dude.

01:15:00.000 Oh yeah, you'll sweat sometimes from it too, yeah.

01:15:03.000 So, it's just because it's hard to breathe with the thing?

01:15:05.000 Yeah, so you want to get...

01:15:06.000 Yeah, I mean, you're not getting...

01:15:07.000 And sometimes I'll have to, like, pull off and get some fresh air and then get back onto it.

01:15:10.000 Like, you want to keep your levels at it because you don't want to go too low.

01:15:13.000 You'll pass out.

01:15:14.000 And is it a breathing exercise?

01:15:15.000 Like, are you doing anything?

01:15:16.000 Are you pushing?

01:15:17.000 You learn...

01:15:18.000 Yeah, you learn how to...

01:15:19.000 Like, breath of fire type stuff?

01:15:21.000 You learn how to get the carbon dioxide out of your body as well, too.

01:15:23.000 Like, you really learn a lot about breathing when you're doing this thing because you have the oxygen monitor on your finger...

01:15:28.000 And when you want to increase your oxygen levels, I'll let more air out, right?

01:15:32.000 But if I want to decrease my oxygen levels faster, I'll take shallow breaths.

01:15:36.000 And I can learn that I can get my body into hypoxic state faster by doing it.

01:15:39.000 But then when I need to get more oxygen in my body, I'll make sure to excel more of the carbon dioxide and then breathe in more air.

01:15:45.000 So it does teach you how to breathe better as well, too.

01:15:47.000 And then you're creating more capillaries, more lung strength, a lot of stuff.

01:15:51.000 He's going to be mad at me for probably talking about that.

01:15:53.000 Yeah.

01:15:55.000 Yeah.

01:15:56.000 Now, are you breathing in through your nose?

01:15:58.000 Are you breathing in through your mouth?

01:15:59.000 I have my mouth, my nose closed.

01:16:01.000 I'm pinched off.

01:16:02.000 Is your nose functional?

01:16:04.000 Not so good, right?

01:16:05.000 My left is good.

01:16:06.000 Yeah.

01:16:07.000 Most fighters.

01:16:08.000 Yeah.

01:16:09.000 My right side's...

01:16:10.000 I mean, I'm a mouth breather.

01:16:11.000 Have you ever thought about getting it opened up?

01:16:13.000 I have, but I was told that for me to get it done is just going to happen again.

01:16:18.000 It'll weaken the structural integrity of my nose because my nose inside is just crooked, so I'd have to carve it out.

01:16:26.000 And so they say it'll just re-happen and I'll have to get it done again.

01:16:30.000 Yeah, I had it done.

01:16:31.000 It was one of the best things I've ever done.

01:16:33.000 I've heard you say that.

01:16:34.000 But it's one of the best things I've ever done.

01:16:36.000 Ready?

01:16:36.000 Here.

01:16:38.000 Sounds so good.

01:16:40.000 Like, I'll be in yoga.

01:16:41.000 I've been doing yoga the last, like, four days because I've been trying to keep my weight down.

01:16:44.000 And then it'll make you breathe into your nose and I'm just in the back of the house like...

01:16:47.000 I'm trying to breathe in.

01:16:50.000 It's the worst.

01:16:51.000 When I used to do yoga before I had a fix, a guy would tell me, breathe through your nose.

01:16:54.000 I'm like, I basically don't have a nose.

01:16:56.000 You can fart in my face.

01:16:57.000 I barely smell it. 1.00

01:16:58.000 This thing's useless. 0.90

01:17:00.000 Yes, exactly, man. 0.98

01:17:01.000 I hate being a mouth breather at night, too.

01:17:03.000 I wake up in the morning with the driest mouth.

01:17:06.000 It's the worst.

01:17:07.000 Well, I mean, it's just part of the struggle, right?

01:17:11.000 Yeah, hell yeah.

01:17:11.000 So, cryotherapy, how often are you doing that?

01:17:15.000 When I have the time.

01:17:17.000 I mean, all Sam's stuff and the training I do is a full-time job, more than a full-time job.

01:17:22.000 And so it takes a lot, depending on how much recovery I need.

01:17:27.000 We're looking to open up our own gym and put our own cryotherapy in it so I can use it more often.

01:17:32.000 We're looking to team up with a company that wants to join forces with us and come into our gym where they have hyperbaric chambers on hand, which I own my own, but I haven't been using it because I haven't hooked up.

01:17:43.000 What company are you going with right now?

01:17:45.000 Because have you gone to Cryo Healthcare? 0.99

01:17:48.000 They have the best fucking cryo tanks. 0.97

01:17:51.000 Is there like a room or is it like the little one? 0.99

01:17:53.000 It's a room.

01:17:53.000 The room one is the one you want because the little room one is cold air.

01:17:57.000 You know the woman who died in Vegas?

01:17:59.000 Do you know the story?

01:18:01.000 Uh-uh. 1.00

01:18:03.000 Damn. 1.00

01:18:07.000 Damn. 1.00

01:18:15.000 Damn. 1.00

01:18:18.000 You're never supposed to climb into one of those things unsupervised. 1.00

01:18:20.000 I would have never guessed.

01:18:21.000 The one they have in cryo-healthcare, it's not liquid nitrogen that's on your body.

01:18:26.000 It's cold air.

01:18:27.000 So they're freezing the air with liquid nitrogen.

01:18:30.000 And this is it right here.

01:18:31.000 I took David Sinclair, who's a professor at Harvard and one of the leading guys in the longevity movement.

01:18:41.000 And I took them there the other day.

01:18:44.000 You walk in that chamber and you put a little mask on your face and earmuffs on just to stop frost by 240 degrees.

01:18:53.000 I'll take you there right now if you want.

01:18:55.000 We'll do it right when we get out of here. 1.00

01:18:57.000 It's the shit. 1.00

01:18:59.000 It's the shit. 1.00

01:19:00.000 You're in there for three minutes. 1.00

01:19:02.000 I've done the below the neck and it's hard.

01:19:04.000 It's like, ah, it's cold.

01:19:06.000 But it's nothing like this thing. 1.00

01:19:07.000 Because your fucking head is frozen. 0.99

01:19:08.000 I don't feel like those are the ones that have standard, like the three minutes ones you're talking about, are very hard. 1.00

01:19:12.000 Exactly.

01:19:12.000 Yeah.

01:19:13.000 Yes.

01:19:13.000 Okay.

01:19:13.000 I'm glad we're going to take you down there.

01:19:15.000 Yeah.

01:19:16.000 There's a company called O2 that wants to team up with us.

01:19:18.000 Like I said, they have red light therapy.

01:19:20.000 We're going to do cryotherapy.

01:19:22.000 We're going to do float tanks.

01:19:23.000 Nice.

01:19:23.000 I've started doing float tanks since I was listening to your podcast a while ago.

01:19:26.000 Beautiful.

01:19:26.000 And dude, that seriously, for me, it's like the only form of meditation I can get.

01:19:31.000 Because otherwise I have too much stuff going on.

01:19:32.000 I have my phones.

01:19:33.000 I got people asking me to do this.

01:19:34.000 People asking me to do that.

01:19:36.000 It's awesome because you go in there and you have to get rid of everything.

01:19:40.000 I usually fall asleep.

01:19:41.000 I usually go in there for the most part.

01:19:43.000 Maybe like 30 minutes I'll be there and relax.

01:19:45.000 I'll be meditating, thinking about stuff. 0.98

01:19:46.000 And then eventually I'll wake up like, oh damn, I fell asleep. 0.85

01:19:49.000 Dude, if you're ever around this area, I got one right there. 0.97

01:19:52.000 You can climb in anytime you want.

01:19:53.000 Oh, I'd love to.

01:19:54.000 Text me.

01:19:54.000 Okay.

01:19:55.000 I'll open it up.

01:19:55.000 Yeah, man.

01:19:57.000 Because this one right here, the float lab version, have you seen this one?

01:20:00.000 Have you seen the one I have?

01:20:00.000 No.

01:20:01.000 It's fucking huge. 0.99

01:20:02.000 Okay. 1.00

01:20:02.000 It's giant. 1.00

01:20:03.000 It's seven feet tall and nine feet long.

01:20:05.000 No, it's huge.

01:20:06.000 It's enormous.

01:20:07.000 Okay.

01:20:08.000 And the guy who made it, this guy Crash, he's the reason why there are high-level tanks today.

01:20:15.000 He's a mad scientist.

01:20:16.000 Okay.

01:20:16.000 And he's the guy who's behind the float lab.

01:20:18.000 When you see how extensive the purification system this guy has, he's got like...

01:20:23.000 Water purification systems that you would use for commercial purposes.

01:20:26.000 Oh, wow. 0.97

01:20:27.000 Like for a fucking, like a block, like a city block, and it's just for this one tank. 0.99

01:20:32.000 Okay. 1.00

01:20:33.000 It's crazy.

01:20:33.000 Oh, it's probably pretty expensive.

01:20:35.000 He's a maniac. 0.97

01:20:35.000 It's very expensive. 0.97

01:20:36.000 He's a maniac. 0.99

01:20:37.000 Okay. 0.96

01:20:37.000 And so he makes these insanely overdeveloped tanks. 0.96

01:20:41.000 And when I first got into tanks, it was around 2000, you had these kind of thin plastic ones, which were fine.

01:20:48.000 They worked.

01:20:48.000 I had one in my basement.

01:20:50.000 But then it busted and the water spilled out. 0.98

01:20:53.000 I had to fucking get my basement drained. 0.97

01:20:55.000 It was a nightmare. 0.99

01:20:57.000 And the guy who was fixing the tank told me about the float lab, which is they have a place in Venice and a place in Westwood. 0.97

01:21:04.000 And they were fucking, the whole industry was dying. 0.97

01:21:08.000 It was going away. 1.00

01:21:09.000 And I didn't understand it.

01:21:10.000 I was like, how is this so awesome, but no one knows about it?

01:21:13.000 It's too much.

01:21:14.000 Well, it wasn't that.

01:21:15.000 It was just nobody tried it.

01:21:17.000 Nobody knew about it.

01:21:18.000 I didn't try it until I heard you on a podcast. 0.96

01:21:20.000 Dude, I can't shut the fuck up about it. 0.73

01:21:21.000 Dude, I love it. 0.52

01:21:22.000 It's amazing.

01:21:23.000 I mean, my life is crazy.

01:21:24.000 I'm sure everyone's life is crazy.

01:21:26.000 Mine's insane. 1.00

01:21:26.000 I have too much shit going on all the time. 1.00

01:21:28.000 So it's like seriously one of the only ways I can shut my brain off. 0.99

01:21:31.000 It's the only time you're alone with just your thoughts where your body's not even there. 0.99

01:21:35.000 Sometimes that's the reason why I like to take a shit. 1.00

01:21:37.000 Yeah, right? 0.99

01:21:38.000 Because I'm by myself. 0.99

01:21:39.000 My shits have been like three times longer because I go sit on my toilet and I'm like, ah, yes. 0.99

01:21:43.000 Do you know what the key to taking a good shit is, though? 0.99

01:21:45.000 What's that? 0.99

01:21:45.000 Don't bring your phone. 0.99

01:21:46.000 I know.

01:21:47.000 It's the hardest thing, though. 1.00

01:21:48.000 You bring your phone, you start scrolling through Instagram, looking at girls' butts and fucking explosions and animal attacks. 1.00

01:21:54.000 That's like the first thing you look for when I got to take a shit. 1.00

01:21:55.000 Like, oh, where's my phone? 1.00

01:21:56.000 I got to take a shit. 1.00

01:21:57.000 Exactly! 1.00

01:21:58.000 Exactly.

01:21:59.000 My kids know.

01:22:00.000 I grab that phone.

01:22:01.000 I start walking into the bathroom and go, oh, daddy's going to be there for a while.

01:22:05.000 Me too, man.

01:22:06.000 It's the worst.

01:22:07.000 I bet cell phones have created triple the hemorrhoids.

01:22:11.000 Oh, I'm sure.

01:22:12.000 Yeah, right?

01:22:13.000 For sure, how long you sit on the toilet now compared to what you used to. 1.00

01:22:16.000 Eddie Bravo has very extensive theories on creating hemorrhoids on the toilet, like about what is happening to your ass. 1.00

01:22:23.000 Ask him. 1.00

01:22:24.000 Oh, no. 1.00

01:22:24.000 He goes into great detail about the pressure of the bowl, that it's an unnatural pressure, like squeezing part of your ass. 1.00

01:22:32.000 He needs to create a toilet seat then. 0.99

01:22:33.000 He needs to create his own toilet seat to get rid of hemorrhoids. 0.94

01:22:36.000 Really, the move is those squatty potties. 0.82

01:22:38.000 Oh, dude, I have one of those.

01:22:39.000 Dude, it's like, whoa, I didn't know I had much in there.

01:22:41.000 It just Woo! 0.94

01:22:42.000 Everything comes flying out.

01:22:44.000 I've seen you had a...

01:22:45.000 Is it a Toto in here?

01:22:46.000 Yeah.

01:22:46.000 Dude, that thing's amazing.

01:22:48.000 What is it?

01:22:49.000 Brondell?

01:22:50.000 Brondell, I think? 1.00

01:22:51.000 Those are the shit. 1.00

01:22:51.000 I built a house out in Colorado and I put one of those in my... 1.00

01:22:54.000 I don't want to shit anywhere else. 0.99

01:22:55.000 Yes, exactly. 0.99

01:22:56.000 It's like, dude, I just only want to go home and take a shit because that toilet seat's way better and it's got the bidet in it. 0.99

01:23:00.000 It's awesome. 0.99

01:23:01.000 So do you rent your house out in Colorado?

01:23:03.000 Nuh-uh.

01:23:03.000 Nope.

01:23:04.000 You just go out there and visit when you can?

01:23:05.000 Yeah, kind of like a little vacation house now.

01:23:08.000 I mean, I live in Orange County.

01:23:10.000 I love Orange County.

01:23:11.000 I do, man.

01:23:12.000 It's nice out there.

01:23:13.000 I went to school down there.

01:23:14.000 I went to school at Cal State Fullerton.

01:23:15.000 So all my close friends I wrestle with are in the same part of their life.

01:23:19.000 They're all young kids.

01:23:20.000 They're all in the same area.

01:23:23.000 And not only that, my family's close.

01:23:24.000 So I love Orange County.

01:23:26.000 It's definitely been a great change for me.

01:23:28.000 But Colorado's beautiful.

01:23:29.000 How far are you from the beach?

01:23:31.000 Probably a half hour.

01:23:32.000 That's not too bad.

01:23:33.000 No.

01:23:34.000 About a half hour from Huntington, Newport.

01:23:36.000 So yeah, it's nice.

01:23:38.000 I mean, Yorba Linda is like a family area too.

01:23:40.000 Yeah.

01:23:41.000 It's like such a nice little cool area.

01:23:42.000 It's very nice.

01:23:43.000 Yeah.

01:23:44.000 Yeah, that whole area is nice.

01:23:45.000 And Calvita is out in that area too.

01:23:46.000 Calvita lives in Yorba Linda.

01:23:47.000 Juan lives in Yorba Linda.

01:23:49.000 Cub lives in Yorba Linda.

01:23:50.000 Oh, nice.

01:23:51.000 So we got a good little family we started there.

01:23:53.000 All the guys I wrestle with in college live in the area.

01:23:55.000 Yeah.

01:23:56.000 Well, it's nice to see guys from both organizations, whether UFC and Bellator, training together, too.

01:24:02.000 I've seen that with you guys.

01:24:03.000 I mean, Bellator really now is a major player.

01:24:08.000 They have major talent.

01:24:10.000 Absolutely.

01:24:11.000 Very interesting.

01:24:12.000 Yeah.

01:24:12.000 I mean, they don't get as much credit, obviously.

01:24:14.000 They're not as big a promotion, but they have some of the best fighters.

01:24:18.000 I mean, look, they've got Gegard Mousasi, they've got Rory McDonald.

01:24:22.000 Yeah, Rory McDonald.

01:24:24.000 Yeah, you can go down the list. 0.98

01:24:26.000 How about fucking Ryan Bader KOing Fedor like that? 1.00

01:24:29.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:24:30.000 I thought Bader was going to win.

01:24:31.000 I thought he was going to use his pressure and just wear on him and out-wrestle him.

01:24:35.000 But yeah, that's crazy.

01:24:36.000 10 seconds.

01:24:37.000 Well, he clipped him with that crazy half a jab. 0.99

01:24:39.000 It's like a level change.

01:24:40.000 Yeah, level change, half hook, half jab.

01:24:43.000 I think he was getting Fedor to think that he was going to drop for a shot and then loop the hook over the top.

01:24:47.000 It seemed like he wanted to get Fedor to do that.

01:24:50.000 Isn't that how he got to knock out the fight before that too, right?

01:24:52.000 Yeah.

01:24:52.000 Exact same punch.

01:24:53.000 Left hook. 0.75

01:24:54.000 Yeah.

01:24:54.000 I think it was a level change left hook.

01:24:56.000 People are thinking like, oh shit, he's coming for a takedown. 1.00

01:24:58.000 Well, as a heavyweight man, he's a motherfucker. 1.00

01:25:01.000 He looks good. 0.99

01:25:01.000 He looks fantastic. 0.99

01:25:02.000 His body looks good.

01:25:03.000 He's huge.

01:25:04.000 I mean, he looks like a heavyweight.

01:25:05.000 Yeah.

01:25:06.000 And, you know, he's weighing 235-ish, somewhere around there, you know, which is a great weight for a heavyweight.

01:25:11.000 I think it's the best weight for that weight class.

01:25:13.000 Yeah.

01:25:13.000 There's that point of diminishing returns, right?

01:25:15.000 You get to like 260, unless you're Ngannou.

01:25:18.000 Well, see, Ngannou doesn't know how to wrestle, so that's part of the problem, but... 0.99

01:25:22.000 But if he did, holy fuck. 0.99

01:25:24.000 But as agile as you need to be to wrestle, I don't know if he can move that fast. 1.00

01:25:27.000 He can move fast, man.

01:25:29.000 That guy moves like a cat. 1.00

01:25:30.000 Damn. 1.00

01:25:30.000 He scares the shit out of me. 1.00

01:25:32.000 If that guy knew, if he knew what everybody else knew, I just think he's so physically gifted. 0.95

01:25:39.000 Yeah.

01:25:39.000 I mean, when you see him punch people, it's a different thing.

01:25:43.000 It's different.

01:25:44.000 Yeah, just a lunchbox coming at your head.

01:25:47.000 The power is just preposterous.

01:25:49.000 It just doesn't even make any sense.

01:25:51.000 If that guy could get with a guy like Dwayne and start moving and not just rely on throwing hammers, but setting stuff up and switching stances.

01:26:01.000 I don't know if you can do that with that kind of weight.

01:26:04.000 How long can a guy like that move around?

01:26:08.000 I bet Sam can get him to move that long.

01:26:09.000 I guarantee you, dude.

01:26:11.000 Sam, I'm telling you, if I'm going...

01:26:13.000 For my body mass, if I'm able to walk around 165 and the lactic threshold he's telling me I can have, I guarantee you you can do it with a big guy like that.

01:26:20.000 Wow, that would be insane.

01:26:21.000 Well, there's not a lot of big guys like that.

01:26:23.000 That's the thing, too.

01:26:24.000 It's like, who does he have to train with that's going to push him?

01:26:27.000 That is a giant problem with heavyweights, whether it's in wrestling or jiu-jitsu or anything.

01:26:33.000 It's finding someone that they can train with that's that heavy, that's that big.

01:26:36.000 I mean, he's a legit, natural, 265-pound man.

01:26:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:42.000 Well, I feel like if you're getting hit by another 265-pound man, too, it's going to take more out of you.

01:26:46.000 Even if you're 265 and you're getting hit by another guy that's 265, I still feel like your head can only take so much.

01:26:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:52.000 Yeah.

01:26:53.000 I mean, how much more can you take, right?

01:26:55.000 Yeah.

01:26:56.000 I mean, that's the football thing that we were talking about when we were talking about Jason Harrison.

01:27:00.000 I mean, he was a lineman for UC Davis.

01:27:02.000 Mm-hmm.

01:27:02.000 Yeah.

01:27:15.000 Yeah.

01:27:16.000 I guess you got to do more of the drilling, what we're talking about, like live drilling, where you're going with partners you can trust that you're going to do 50% sparring.

01:27:25.000 You're not going to crush each other, but you're going to get that reaction time kind of stuff.

01:27:29.000 But then you can wrestle hard.

01:27:30.000 You can do jiu-jitsu hard and get that hard training that way, but then drill the right ways striking, you know?

01:27:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:37.000 Now, as far as your recovery stuff, did you detail everything here?

01:27:43.000 You got the red light, you have your infrared sauna, using like one of those fit spas, which kind of...

01:27:49.000 I think it is a fit spa.

01:27:50.000 Is that the kind that has like a TV in it?

01:27:52.000 No, it's got Bluetooth for listening to your podcast.

01:27:57.000 It's infrared, so it's got the red light.

01:27:59.000 It only gets to 140 degrees, right?

01:28:01.000 But the infrared makes you sweat from the cells inside out, which I feel is better for the recovery.

01:28:07.000 I do like the super hot ones.

01:28:09.000 They do something to you that it's hard to describe when you get out of it, like when it's really hot and you feel great.

01:28:16.000 But I feel like I get more recovery out of the infrared throughout my body.

01:28:19.000 Same reason why I use the Juve red light therapy.

01:28:23.000 Ice baths?

01:28:24.000 No, I don't do ice baths.

01:28:26.000 They're torture.

01:28:28.000 But I've done the cryo.

01:28:29.000 And again, too, I don't do that much of it.

01:28:33.000 I think mainly I get my recovery from taking the days off I need to.

01:28:38.000 Most of my recovery, I take more days off now working with Sam than I've ever taken in my past.

01:28:45.000 When I was working with Duane out in Colorado or at Alpha Male, I would just go, [...

01:28:51.000 I thought working more was going to get me there better.

01:28:53.000 And that's probably why your testosterone was dropping.

01:28:55.000 100%.

01:28:55.000 I was redlining myself.

01:28:57.000 And so I take more days off now with Sam, but the days that I'm not taking off are a lot harder.

01:29:02.000 Just knowing when to cycle those days off.

01:29:04.000 You have to rest.

01:29:05.000 And my sleep...

01:29:07.000 I have a one-year-old, so I created a guest room that I'll sleep in during camp because I've got to get my nine hours of sleep.

01:29:15.000 And knowing what days I've got to take off.

01:29:17.000 And those days will be off from training completely.

01:29:20.000 I'll try to go take my son on a walk, go hang out with my family.

01:29:24.000 Obviously, I've got less of that this camp because I'm going 25s.

01:29:27.000 It took a lot more work.

01:29:28.000 But just making sure to take those days off.

01:29:31.000 What about massage?

01:29:32.000 Yes.

01:29:32.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:29:33.000 How often do you do that?

01:29:34.000 As much as I can.

01:29:36.000 I mean, I'll do it.

01:29:37.000 I mean, I don't think you can do too much of it as long as you got someone that's knowledgeable.

01:29:40.000 But massage big time.

01:29:42.000 Something where you can act.

01:29:43.000 And that's another way to really relax and shut the brain off, too.

01:29:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:47.000 Anything to get my...

01:29:48.000 Really, your recovery needs to be dropping your cortisol levels.

01:29:52.000 If you could drop your cortisol levels, everything else is going to go the way it should go.

01:29:56.000 Which is another thing I test throughout my camp is my cortisol levels.

01:29:59.000 Maybe I'm doing too much outside of training, like too much sponsorship stuff or my Fit to Fight program or all my other businesses, my Flavor Republic.

01:30:09.000 Which, by the way, is excellent.

01:30:11.000 Tell people about this stuff.

01:30:12.000 This stuff is really good.

01:30:14.000 You sent me this a while back.

01:30:16.000 You've got some great rubs.

01:30:17.000 This is honey garlic.

01:30:19.000 It's all healthy stuff.

01:30:20.000 It's called Flavor Republic.

01:30:22.000 This is a plug, folks, but I'm not getting paid for this.

01:30:25.000 I just love it.

01:30:27.000 It's really great stuff, man.

01:30:29.000 I got into it because I met a jiu-jitsu guy.

01:30:33.000 His name is Kenny Tinney.

01:30:34.000 He's really big into jiu-jitsu.

01:30:35.000 He was taking Propecia and it messed up his testosterone levels.

01:30:39.000 We were talking about this before the show.

01:30:40.000 It did the same thing to me.

01:30:41.000 Yeah, it messed up his testosterone levels.

01:30:42.000 So he had to get into his diet to kind of recurve what he had going on because he was taking insane amounts of therapeutic level of testosterone to get his body back.

01:30:51.000 And so he wanted to get his diet on point so he wouldn't have to take as much tests.

01:30:55.000 And as well as I teamed up with just an average Joe.

01:30:57.000 He's just a guy that wants to get into fitness and wants to be healthy.

01:31:02.000 But us three, we created this because I got into my diet so much because I'm not eating any sugars.

01:31:08.000 I don't go – I'm pretty much going like paleo, keto.

01:31:12.000 And every time I wanted to do meal prep or Sam wanted to do meal prep, we couldn't use spices and seasonings because if you look on the shelf, they have like – 14 grams of sugar and a bunch of table salt.

01:31:22.000 Yeah, we were talking about Traeger.

01:31:23.000 I love Traeger's grills and I love their rubs.

01:31:26.000 And their barbecue sauces and everything too. 1.00

01:31:28.000 They're so good, but there's some fucking sugar in that shit. 1.00

01:31:30.000 A lot. 1.00

01:31:31.000 That's why they're so delicious.

01:31:32.000 Exactly.

01:31:33.000 And so we created this so that we could do our meal prep and still be healthy.

01:31:37.000 You got an espresso rub.

01:31:39.000 That's really good on your wild game.

01:31:41.000 Yeah, I bet.

01:31:41.000 Yeah, it's like a peppery egg.

01:31:44.000 That one doesn't sell very well because I think it's called espresso rub.

01:31:47.000 People don't really understand it.

01:31:49.000 Yeah, espresso blend.

01:31:50.000 So we always need to change it to like a Colombian something, you know?

01:31:53.000 Because they're like, coffee?

01:31:55.000 I don't want to put coffee on nothing.

01:31:56.000 Well, people don't know, man.

01:31:57.000 We were talking with Ben Greenfield yesterday.

01:31:59.000 Coffee rubs are fantastic.

01:32:00.000 Awesome.

01:32:01.000 He was saying that coffee actually reduces the amount of carcinogens on cooked meat.

01:32:06.000 Oh, really?

01:32:07.000 Yeah, having it on the outside that it acts as an antioxidant and reduces...

01:32:11.000 The amount of carcinogens.

01:32:12.000 The first time I tried it was a piece of meat I got at Whole Foods and it had an espresso rub on it and it was amazing.

01:32:18.000 Yeah.

01:32:18.000 So like we need to make that.

01:32:19.000 Like I'm telling you like all the wild game I have like it takes away any of the gamey flavor.

01:32:23.000 Let's get that.

01:32:24.000 It doesn't sell as well because people don't understand but it's really good.

01:32:27.000 Are you getting any hunting in?

01:32:29.000 Do you have any time?

01:32:30.000 I did this year.

01:32:31.000 Nothing successful.

01:32:32.000 After my Cody fight in August, I went out in the middle of nowhere in Colorado by Estes Park and hunted by myself.

01:32:39.000 Oh, that's a nice getaway, huh?

01:32:41.000 Dude, my phone didn't work.

01:32:42.000 No one could text me.

01:32:43.000 No one could get a hold of me.

01:32:44.000 I slept out in the middle of the wilderness by myself under the stars.

01:32:48.000 Kind of freaky.

01:32:48.000 I've never done that before, you know?

01:32:51.000 Shane Dorian was telling me about that.

01:32:52.000 It was like, you got to do it.

01:32:54.000 It's pretty crazy.

01:32:54.000 He's like, it's one of the best things I've ever done.

01:32:56.000 I like hunting with people because you get to get, like, really to know them, right?

01:32:59.000 Like, you go sit around the campfire.

01:33:00.000 Everyone splits up.

01:33:01.000 They go hunt.

01:33:01.000 You talk about your day.

01:33:02.000 You get back to the campfire, and you really get to know each other.

01:33:05.000 And I go with my brothers and my dad all the time.

01:33:07.000 It's one of my favorite things about hunting.

01:33:08.000 It's the best.

01:33:09.000 It really is.

01:33:10.000 And you, like, really get to tell stories and get to know each other.

01:33:12.000 It's awesome.

01:33:13.000 But I went by myself for the first time this year, and that was an experience as well, too.

01:33:16.000 Like, you got, like, just hunting on and doing, like, the wilderness by yourself, like, making sure you don't get lost.

01:33:22.000 How many days did you go out for?

01:33:23.000 Three days.

01:33:24.000 So did you backpack in?

01:33:25.000 No, I got to drive in.

01:33:27.000 So you went to a trailhead?

01:33:28.000 Yep.

01:33:29.000 And how much are you carrying on your back?

01:33:31.000 It's probably like 40, 50 pounds.

01:33:34.000 Okay, so you got like a tank.

01:33:35.000 Like a day pack.

01:33:36.000 Yeah, I got that.

01:33:38.000 And then I'll just hike back in.

01:33:39.000 And you have a bow?

01:33:40.000 My bow, yeah.

01:33:41.000 I really only like to hunt with my bow.

01:33:43.000 I will do some rifle just when the opportunity comes.

01:33:47.000 Do you have time to practice?

01:33:48.000 With my bow, I do.

01:33:50.000 It's kind of another escape for me as well, too.

01:33:53.000 Maybe my off day.

01:33:55.000 If the coach tells me to take a day off, maybe I'll go shoot my bow.

01:33:58.000 Or if I'm in Colorado, I'll take my boat out or go fishing.

01:34:02.000 Things like that.

01:34:02.000 So yeah, it's one of my hobbies.

01:34:04.000 Even if I'm not getting ready for hunting season, I'll just shoot. 0.77

01:34:07.000 Just to shoot. 0.98

01:34:07.000 Dude, next time you come here, you've got to play techno hunt. 0.98

01:34:09.000 Is this the one out here?

01:34:10.000 You haven't seen that yet, huh?

01:34:12.000 I've played it at an archery shop in Colorado.

01:34:15.000 It's like a 3D hunting art.

01:34:16.000 It's a video game, pretty much, and you shoot these magnets at the screen.

01:34:20.000 Well, it's not a magnet.

01:34:20.000 Instead of a broadhead, it's flat, like the head of a nail.

01:34:24.000 Yeah, it's cool.

01:34:25.000 And it's a Kevlar screen.

01:34:26.000 It's very realistic, too.

01:34:27.000 It's amazing.

01:34:28.000 It gives you a score if you get a vital shot or if you wound the animal and stuff.

01:34:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:34:32.000 It's cool.

01:34:32.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:34:33.000 I'll have to bring my bow next time.

01:34:34.000 It's super.

01:34:35.000 Super addictive.

01:34:35.000 I mean, you got the fantasy factory here.

01:34:37.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:38.000 Like, I don't even know if I'd go home if I had this place.

01:34:40.000 Well, now I got a bunch of stuff here for my kids.

01:34:43.000 Oh, really?

01:34:43.000 So, yeah.

01:34:44.000 So, like, you see that inflatable thing out there?

01:34:46.000 My girls are in gymnastics.

01:34:47.000 I figured that was just to judge how far you're shooting from.

01:34:49.000 No, no, no.

01:34:50.000 No, that's bouncy.

01:34:52.000 That thing's all filled up with air. 0.99

01:34:54.000 My 10-year-old comes in here and does fucking backflips and shit on that. 0.99

01:34:57.000 But with a concrete around it? 1.00

01:34:58.000 She's a fucking freak, man. 1.00

01:34:59.000 Really? 1.00

01:34:59.000 She doesn't care. 1.00

01:35:00.000 I'd be scared as shit. 0.99

01:35:02.000 It's like not very wide. 1.00

01:35:03.000 You gotta let them do wild shit. 1.00

01:35:05.000 I guess so. 1.00

01:35:06.000 Well, there's the mats out there, too.

01:35:07.000 The Jiu-Jitsu mats.

01:35:08.000 She does them on that, too. 0.65

01:35:09.000 Okay.

01:35:09.000 And she does gymnastics?

01:35:10.000 Yeah.

01:35:11.000 That's hard on your body.

01:35:12.000 It is, yeah.

01:35:13.000 When I wrestled, we had a gymnastics team, and they were always in the physical therapy.

01:35:17.000 They were always hurt, their backs, their ankles. 1.00

01:35:19.000 But I think 10-year-olds, it's like, first of all, I just see the shit she does. 0.99

01:35:23.000 She could stand here and take her hands and touch the back of her ankles. 1.00

01:35:27.000 She just bends all the way back, and it's like, how the fuck does your body even work that way? 1.00

01:35:32.000 I look at this 51-year-old, fucked-up body of mine from all the years of beating on it, and it's like... 0.99

01:35:39.000 But all the weight lifting you do is going to make you stiffer too. 0.99

01:35:42.000 Oh, for sure.

01:35:43.000 If you're not knowing what I was doing, just lifting me head style.

01:35:47.000 Right now I'm training with Sam and we're going heavy just to keep my weight.

01:35:51.000 I don't know if I'm going 35, I don't know if I'm going 25. Or 45. I'm just keeping my weight where it needs to be and getting a lot stronger.

01:35:58.000 So he's telling me, we're adding all this muscle, make sure you're doing your yoga.

01:36:01.000 And that's why I've been doing that as well too.

01:36:03.000 Yeah, that's the other thing I wanted to talk to you about.

01:36:04.000 Outside of yoga, are you doing stretching?

01:36:06.000 Yes.

01:36:07.000 How often do you guys stretch?

01:36:09.000 Well, I do a dynamic stretch before every practice.

01:36:13.000 Before practice is interesting because most people don't agree with that.

01:36:17.000 Well, static.

01:36:18.000 I don't like doing static stretching before I work out.

01:36:21.000 So by dynamic, you're constantly moving while you're stretching?

01:36:23.000 Yes.

01:36:23.000 It's something I've learned from Lauren Landau out in Colorado.

01:36:26.000 It's something I've added to my Fit to Fight program is I go through a whole dynamic warm-up that I do before every practice.

01:36:31.000 It's like a walking series, you know, like a walking knee hug, a walking quad pull, inchworms, like things like that.

01:36:38.000 And like a quadruped series, it'll keep my hips loose, things like that.

01:36:41.000 I'll do that before every practice.

01:36:44.000 But then at the end of practice, you do a little bit of, I don't do as much static stretching.

01:36:48.000 I do more dynamic, kind of like in movement stretching.

01:36:51.000 You know, same thing as like, I mean, I get more flexible.

01:36:53.000 I got so much more flexible when I started kickboxing, just from that throwing a head kick, throwing a head kick and just opening your hips all the time. 0.89

01:37:01.000 But before I throw a bunch of head kicks, I need to do my quadruped series to not mess my hip flexors up or my psoas will get tight as shit.

01:37:08.000 Do you have one of those so-rights? 0.92

01:37:10.000 Do you have one of those?

01:37:10.000 I heard Chandler talking about that.

01:37:12.000 I got one for you.

01:37:12.000 Did you?

01:37:13.000 Yeah, I got a gang of them.

01:37:14.000 Really?

01:37:14.000 It's a sponsor, so they gave me a bunch of them.

01:37:16.000 That thing is the shit, man. 1.00

01:37:17.000 And you lay on it, right? 1.00

01:37:18.000 Yeah, you can do all kinds of things with it.

01:37:20.000 It hurts. 1.00

01:37:21.000 Fuck yeah, it hurts. 1.00

01:37:22.000 But it works. 0.99

01:37:23.000 Because I had a so-as messed up for one of my fights before my Joe Soto fight.

01:37:27.000 I couldn't throw a kick.

01:37:28.000 So two weeks before the fight, I couldn't throw kicks. 1.00

01:37:31.000 I was like, fuck, man. 0.99

01:37:32.000 I thought it was my back. 0.99

01:37:33.000 My lower back was toast.

01:37:35.000 I had a massage therapist working on my back, working on my back.

01:37:38.000 And then finally I got with someone and was like, no, dude, it's your psoas.

01:37:41.000 And they started digging in my psoas and it was so freaking painful.

01:37:44.000 Until Chandler brought it up, I didn't even know it was a muscle. 0.98

01:37:46.000 I didn't even know what the fuck that was. 1.00

01:37:47.000 Dude, it's a motherfucker to get that work done. 1.00

01:37:50.000 David Goggins had an issue with it as well. 0.99

01:37:51.000 I was keeping him from running.

01:37:53.000 Okay.

01:37:54.000 Yeah.

01:37:54.000 I mean, it messes up your whole core.

01:37:56.000 Yeah, but this is a simple plastic device.

01:37:58.000 You know, you lay on it.

01:37:59.000 They sent me a box of them, man.

01:38:01.000 I got one for you.

01:38:02.000 I see it on my Instagram now all the time.

01:38:03.000 It's a sponsored ad.

01:38:04.000 And I always, because he's Chandler talking about it.

01:38:06.000 So I was curious.

01:38:07.000 Chandler's really into his body and working out.

01:38:09.000 He's got his own workout program and stuff, too.

01:38:11.000 Yeah, his Instagram page is good to follow.

01:38:13.000 It is. 1.00

01:38:13.000 He's a fucking freak. 1.00

01:38:15.000 I mean, he looks like a bodybuilder. 1.00

01:38:16.000 Yeah.

01:38:16.000 He's a freak athlete, too.

01:38:18.000 I mean, he does these medicine ball backflips.

01:38:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:22.000 Have you seen Backflip, slam the medicine ball.

01:38:26.000 Backflip, slam the medicine ball. 0.78

01:38:27.000 Jesus Christ, man. 1.00

01:38:29.000 He's a killer, man. 1.00

01:38:30.000 He's another one at Bellator. 1.00

01:38:31.000 Another fucking stud. 0.99

01:38:32.000 I mean, he's one of the best 155-pounders on the planet. 1.00

01:38:35.000 No doubt about it.

01:38:36.000 100%.

01:38:37.000 I agree with that.

01:38:38.000 Just they've got to change the name.

01:38:39.000 Yeah.

01:38:40.000 Scott Coker, I love you, but that name's whack.

01:38:43.000 Yeah.

01:38:43.000 Bellator.

01:38:44.000 What is a Bellator?

01:38:45.000 I have no idea.

01:38:46.000 I have no idea.

01:38:46.000 But I feel like you can kind of feel the difference in the promotion when you go.

01:38:49.000 They're getting bigger and bigger, right?

01:38:51.000 Yeah.

01:38:51.000 But you can feel the difference when you're there.

01:38:53.000 Of course. 1.00

01:38:53.000 But you see the talent that's in there and you're like, oh shit. 1.00

01:38:56.000 And they got Goldie over there now. 1.00

01:38:57.000 I miss Goldie.

01:38:58.000 Goldie's awesome.

01:38:58.000 Shout out to my man.

01:38:59.000 I saw him when I was there.

01:39:00.000 He always puts a smile on my face.

01:39:02.000 He's great.

01:39:02.000 I love that guy.

01:39:03.000 I miss him.

01:39:04.000 I love John Anik, too, though.

01:39:06.000 I just think they just don't have the funds that the UFC has.

01:39:12.000 They don't have the deep pockets.

01:39:15.000 And the UFC's been around for so long.

01:39:17.000 They just know how to do it.

01:39:18.000 They just made the right moves.

01:39:19.000 I mean, look, they're with ESPN, man.

01:39:20.000 That's so crazy.

01:39:21.000 It's amazing.

01:39:22.000 I'm so happy.

01:39:23.000 So awesome.

01:39:23.000 When that was signed, I was so pumped.

01:39:25.000 Just to see.

01:39:26.000 Think what it's going to be in five years when they're in five years with ESPN. Like how much we're going to be on TV and the shows they're doing.

01:39:31.000 They're doing this thing too that's like not only are they going to follow the winner around after their fight, they're also going to follow the loser around.

01:39:38.000 Whoa.

01:39:38.000 To get into your life.

01:39:39.000 Ooh. 1.00

01:39:40.000 Like, I mean, yeah, it's going to fucking suck. 0.97

01:39:41.000 If you think about it, it's like I don't want a camera following me around after I lose, but they want to see how it affects your life. 0.97

01:39:47.000 Like me, I've been, I mean, obviously I've been pretty pissed off about it, you know?

01:39:50.000 Right, right, right.

01:39:51.000 Like me, if I wasn't staying busy with my businesses and my family, like I would lose my mind.

01:39:55.000 Well, I would like to see that.

01:39:56.000 Like, say, Brian Ortega after he fought Max Holloway.

01:39:59.000 He goes into that fight looking unbeatable and gets just touched up.

01:40:04.000 Max Holloway just touched him up, man. 0.99

01:40:07.000 We really got to see who the fuck Max Holloway is after that fight. 0.99

01:40:10.000 His distance control, his pace, his output. 0.98

01:40:14.000 Everything.

01:40:14.000 He's just a champion.

01:40:16.000 He's just a fucking champion. 1.00

01:40:17.000 His mindset, too. 1.00

01:40:19.000 Yeah.

01:40:19.000 He's just a champion.

01:40:20.000 He's a gangster, dude. 0.94

01:40:21.000 He's as gangster as they come.

01:40:22.000 I love it.

01:40:23.000 He's so gangster.

01:40:23.000 And Ortega's as tough as they come, too, man.

01:40:25.000 He just wasn't ready for that yet.

01:40:27.000 I think he will be, man.

01:40:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:29.000 You're saying like that, like you have a camera phone around after a loss.

01:40:33.000 I think he's looking for new things now, too.

01:40:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:36.000 If you're a guy that takes a loss and you don't branch out to do new things, you're never going to get better.

01:40:41.000 Well, his jujitsu is off the charts. 0.95

01:40:43.000 When he grabbed ahold of Cub's neck, when he got the darts at the end of the first round, I was like, holy shit, it's over. 0.95

01:40:49.000 But the bell rang and he got out of it. 0.97

01:40:52.000 But then the second round, when he jumped on him and grabbed that guillotine...

01:40:55.000 He went over the top of him while they're standing up and clinched and got it and then came down on it and then had it in the air.

01:41:00.000 It's nasty. 0.99

01:41:01.000 His technique is so fucking sharp. 0.99

01:41:04.000 And he can do that with everything. 0.97

01:41:06.000 I mean, arm bars, triangles.

01:41:07.000 I think he's got a good squeeze cardio, too.

01:41:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:10.000 Well, you know what?

01:41:12.000 He's real legacy jujitsu.

01:41:15.000 He comes from, you know, that Henner and Huron camp and, you know, from, that's Horian School and where Hoist was from.

01:41:24.000 That's the Torrance crew.

01:41:25.000 I mean, that's... 1.00

01:41:26.000 That's right from the fucking motherland. 0.99

01:41:29.000 And there's a term that some people get offended by. 0.99

01:41:33.000 That term is basic jiu-jitsu.

01:41:34.000 I'm not offended by that at all.

01:41:36.000 Because some of the very best guys of all time, whether it's Hodger Gracie or Hickson, you don't see them doing weird stuff.

01:41:46.000 It's all very standard.

01:41:48.000 It's not...

01:41:48.000 I mean, there's basic striking.

01:41:50.000 Yes.

01:41:50.000 Like, look at Max Holloway beat Ortega.

01:41:51.000 He used basic striking to beat him.

01:41:53.000 Distance control and one-twos.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:41:55.000 You know, I mean, basics win national titles in wrestling.

01:41:58.000 A hundred percent. 0.91

01:41:58.000 A high crotch. 0.91

01:41:59.000 A hundred percent. 0.99

01:42:00.000 You know, a sprawling spin behind.

01:42:02.000 But it's the level of the basics.

01:42:03.000 And this is what I was going to say about Max Holloway's jiu-jitsu. 0.94

01:42:05.000 It's like, the level of his basics is just, it's so fucking polished. 0.86

01:42:11.000 Mm-hmm. 0.56

01:42:12.000 It's like as a person who loves martial arts, for me, when I see someone whose technique is that sharp, I'm like, woo!

01:42:18.000 That's what I want to tell people.

01:42:19.000 This is why I get frustrated when I see people that are on their back, and they're in the open guard, and their legs are just kind of sitting there flailing away, and the guy's got his arms on the ground.

01:42:30.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ, he's giving you arm bars. 0.85

01:42:33.000 He's giving you omoplates.

01:42:34.000 He's giving you a sweep.

01:42:35.000 He's setting himself up.

01:42:37.000 Yeah.

01:42:38.000 And people don't know what to do.

01:42:55.000 I felt strong.

01:42:56.000 I felt good.

01:42:56.000 I was working with Daryl Christian on my wrestling.

01:42:58.000 My jiu-jitsu has been on point with Felipe, and I've been adding a lot of crazy stuff to it.

01:43:04.000 Because Dwayne's only been out three days a week, right?

01:43:07.000 And we kill it while Dwayne's out here.

01:43:09.000 But then when he's gone, I work on all my other stuff.

01:43:10.000 So it's forced me to get into my jiu-jitsu a little bit more as well.

01:43:14.000 And I've been doing so good, man.

01:43:16.000 I've been wanting to show it off, but I haven't got that chance yet.

01:43:19.000 Does he have you ranked?

01:43:20.000 Does he give you a belt?

01:43:21.000 I don't do any gi.

01:43:23.000 You gotta do the gi, my friend! 0.89

01:43:24.000 He calls me a blue-black. 0.99

01:43:26.000 He's like, you a blue belt, but really, you black. 1.00

01:43:29.000 So he calls me a blue-black.

01:43:30.000 Don't you want to wear the gi just to get a belt?

01:43:32.000 I do.

01:43:34.000 Out of camp, I always figure out I run out of time to get in there.

01:43:38.000 The only time I feel like I can go and do gi training is when I'm not in camp, which I want to do.

01:43:42.000 Until I get a fight lined up, I'm actually just thinking...

01:43:44.000 I'm going to go and keep my weight down a good way I can do in yoga, but why not go and do some Gi Jiu Jitsu just to do it for fun and show that I can do Gi.

01:43:53.000 It's fun.

01:43:54.000 It's a whole other game.

01:43:55.000 But when I'm in camp training, I need those fast scrambles, especially being on a lighter weight class.

01:44:00.000 I need the wrestling scrambles and especially finding a guy like Cejudo.

01:44:04.000 We're not going to do Jiu Jitsu.

01:44:05.000 We're going to do grappling.

01:44:06.000 We're going to do MMA Jiu Jitsu.

01:44:08.000 Right, of course.

01:44:09.000 And so I needed that kind of like fast motion, especially with smaller guys.

01:44:12.000 Well, especially sweaty and slippery, and you really need gable grips and overhooks.

01:44:17.000 Yeah.

01:44:18.000 The problem with Gi Jiu Jitsu, there's great things to it.

01:44:22.000 One, you have to be very technical with your defense.

01:44:24.000 You can't just muscle out of things.

01:44:26.000 And that's a big shock for a lot of people, like wrestlers in particular.

01:44:30.000 They're not used to just exploding out of things.

01:44:32.000 Getting out of everything.

01:44:32.000 And then re-engaging.

01:44:33.000 And when you get your collars grabbed... 1.00

01:44:37.000 And you're like, ah, shit. 1.00

01:44:38.000 Someone's choking you with your own clothes. 1.00

01:44:40.000 Someone has your sleeve and they have your collar. 1.00

01:44:42.000 And you're like, ah, fuck. 1.00

01:44:43.000 I'm locked up here. 1.00

01:44:45.000 But it's funny.

01:44:45.000 It's more realistic for the street fight.

01:44:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:48.000 Well, I was going to say, the last thing you ever want to do is get in a street fight with someone who's a judo practitioner.

01:44:59.000 John Hackleman had a thing on his Instagram yesterday about that, where he's pointed to the floor of the cage.

01:45:07.000 He's like, now imagine this is a fight, this is concrete, and this is you.

01:45:11.000 And someone's getting hoisted in the air.

01:45:12.000 He's like, take down defense. 0.98

01:45:14.000 Which is so fucking true, man. 0.99

01:45:16.000 So true. 0.97

01:45:17.000 I mean, if you got in a Hector Lombard or something like that as a judo, yeah, there it is.

01:45:24.000 Imagine this is you and this is concrete. 1.00

01:45:26.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:45:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:28.000 Especially if somebody really fucking throws their legs up in the air and comes down with you. 0.95

01:45:32.000 Fighting in the street is so dangerous, man. 0.99

01:45:34.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:45:35.000 It's so dangerous.

01:45:36.000 Just hitting your head on the concrete.

01:45:37.000 Oh, man.

01:45:37.000 Someone getting knocked out and hitting their head on the concrete is just so dangerous.

01:45:41.000 Yeah, and it happens every goddamn day with people who don't know how to fight. 1.00

01:45:44.000 Because they watch this shit and they think they can go and do it. 1.00

01:45:46.000 You know, they're like, I can fucking do that. 1.00

01:45:48.000 Get a couple shots of tequila in you. 0.98

01:45:49.000 Yeah, the best YouTube videos ever is watching that stuff.

01:45:52.000 But it's always like, oh, man, that guy might be dead. 0.98

01:45:54.000 Well, if he's not dead, he's fucked up for a long time. 0.99

01:45:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:57.000 Yeah, I don't think people understand. 0.99

01:45:59.000 I think I'll do more jits once I'm done fighting, like gi jiu-jitsu, just to try to get ranked.

01:46:04.000 You know, I'd like to be a black belt one day.

01:46:06.000 Sure, for sure.

01:46:07.000 I'm sure you can make it.

01:46:08.000 Just to have that...

01:46:09.000 Would you like to compete?

01:46:11.000 I don't know.

01:46:13.000 When I'm done fighting, I don't know if I want to compete ever again.

01:46:16.000 I've competed my whole life.

01:46:17.000 I've competed since I was eight years old.

01:46:18.000 I've never had a job.

01:46:20.000 I've had side jobs and stuff, but I've never had a career.

01:46:24.000 I thought I was going to until I dropped out of school and decided to become an MMA fighter. 0.97

01:46:29.000 My parents were like, you're crazy.

01:46:31.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:46:32.000 You're obviously crazy, but the most crazy thing is that you had this thing in your mind that you wanted to out-wrestle Cejudo. 0.97

01:46:37.000 Yeah, I can't. 0.99

01:46:38.000 It's different, man.

01:46:39.000 MMA wrestling is different.

01:46:41.000 It really is, man.

01:46:42.000 I mean, he's...

01:46:42.000 Trust me, that would have been a feat in its own, right?

01:46:44.000 He's a great wrestler, but it's different, man.

01:46:47.000 But the fact that you wanted to do it...

01:46:49.000 Yeah.

01:46:49.000 I want the toughest tough, man.

01:46:52.000 Like, I'm...

01:46:53.000 I live by the sword.

01:46:54.000 I die by it.

01:46:54.000 I go out there.

01:46:55.000 I sling leather.

01:46:56.000 I brawl.

01:46:56.000 I want to fight.

01:46:57.000 I don't have boring fights.

01:47:00.000 That's why I want to challenge Max Holloway.

01:47:02.000 That's why I want to beat Henry Cejudo.

01:47:03.000 I want to be the best.

01:47:05.000 And to do that, I feel like you really need to challenge your name.

01:47:07.000 I'm not just talking the talk. 0.99

01:47:09.000 I'm not just doing it to talk shit. 0.99

01:47:11.000 I really want to do it. 0.97

01:47:12.000 Now, where does the 135-pound belt sit right now?

01:47:15.000 Because you're the champion.

01:47:16.000 And if you do decide to pursue the flyweight title again... 0.75

01:47:19.000 For everyone else in that Bantamweight division, this is kind of a clusterfuck, right?

01:47:23.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:47:24.000 We had a big fight on Saturday with Sensow and Marlon Marais.

01:47:28.000 Yes, huge fight.

01:47:29.000 And they've already fought before too, so we'll see what happens with that fight.

01:47:33.000 And Cody Garbrandt's fight and Pedro Munoz.

01:47:36.000 That's a good fight as well too.

01:47:37.000 That's coming up soon as well, right?

01:47:38.000 Yeah, that's coming up in March, I believe.

01:47:41.000 Is that the Vegas card?

01:47:43.000 Yeah, 235. Yeah.

01:47:44.000 So there's a bunch of big fights in that division.

01:47:47.000 Yeah.

01:47:48.000 I'd say the one that really kind of plays a factor would be Asensel and Marlon Marais.

01:47:53.000 Yes.

01:47:53.000 Right?

01:47:53.000 Yeah.

01:47:54.000 Which I have beaten Asensel, right?

01:47:59.000 Marlon Marais has been looking good as well too, but Asensel's got a big win streak.

01:48:02.000 Yeah.

01:48:02.000 We'll see, man.

01:48:03.000 I mean, it depends if I fight Cejudo at 35s, too.

01:48:05.000 I don't know what's what.

01:48:07.000 I mean, obviously, I want it at 25s.

01:48:09.000 He's talking about saving the flyweight division.

01:48:10.000 Let's pump this thing up.

01:48:12.000 Let's get it done.

01:48:12.000 But you don't want to relinquish your 35-pound crown.

01:48:15.000 No, I don't.

01:48:15.000 So what if they come around and they say, hey, you've got to defend?

01:48:18.000 I want to be active too.

01:48:19.000 That's also something I wanted to say when I was getting on here because I'm calling out 45s. 1.00

01:48:22.000 I'm calling out this.

01:48:23.000 But I also don't want to be the guy that's just going to walk away from my belt either.

01:48:27.000 I want to be the Cowboy Cerrone and be more active.

01:48:29.000 I haven't been active enough lately.

01:48:31.000 I've been too long at gaps of fighting.

01:48:33.000 But because these fights have been built up, hyped up, people get hurt, this and that, I want to be a little bit more active.

01:48:38.000 I'm always in shape.

01:48:39.000 I'm always in the gym.

01:48:40.000 I must be a little bit more of the...

01:48:43.000 One of my training partners, Juan Archuleta, he fought four fights for Bellator in 10 months.

01:48:50.000 I want to be a little more active.

01:48:51.000 That's how I get paid.

01:48:52.000 I'm turning 33 on February 7th, so my career's not going to last forever.

01:48:56.000 I want to start collecting them paychecks.

01:48:57.000 When do you think you're going to...

01:48:59.000 Do you have a game plan or when are you going to ride off in the sunset?

01:49:03.000 Not necessarily.

01:49:04.000 I guess one of the opportunities that doesn't seem like it makes sense, as well as maybe my health, as long as everything's going well, I feel healthy, which the way I've been treating my body is the healthiest I've ever been.

01:49:25.000 Right.

01:49:29.000 Right.

01:49:31.000 Right.

01:49:32.000 Right.

01:49:33.000 Right.

01:49:37.000 I've been really smart with my money.

01:49:39.000 I've been really smart with my investments to where I could walk away, but I have too much to prove right now.

01:49:46.000 I have too much to get back.

01:49:48.000 First and foremost, this fight against Henry Cejudo.

01:49:51.000 I'm glad to hear that you are thinking about that, that you're planning for the future.

01:49:55.000 There's a lot of guys that have done...

01:49:57.000 Mike Bisping has planned very well for the future.

01:50:01.000 There's... 0.99

01:50:02.000 You know, Brendan Schaub's like the fucking gold standard. 0.98

01:50:04.000 He's really taken off since he's decided to retire. 0.97

01:50:07.000 But it's, you know, there's a lot of stuff that you can do.

01:50:09.000 It's good to see that you're doing this.

01:50:11.000 And tell people how to get a hold of this.

01:50:13.000 Flavor Republic Spice Company.

01:50:15.000 Yeah, we're on flavorrepublic.co.

01:50:17.000 We are on Amazon.

01:50:19.000 Oh, cool.

01:50:19.000 Yeah, you can find us anywhere.

01:50:21.000 I mean, obviously, a lot of people go to our website to really check out who we are and the story behind us.

01:50:26.000 I've started my Fit to Fight program at TJDillashaw.com.

01:50:29.000 And you have an app as well?

01:50:31.000 My app, it's Sam's app that I've created with him.

01:50:33.000 It's called Train Champ.

01:50:35.000 It's at traininglab.com.

01:50:38.000 So there's like a difference.

01:50:39.000 So if you're into martial arts and getting in shape, my Fit to Fight program is going to not only make you better technically, I feel like it's one of a kind.

01:50:47.000 It teaches...

01:50:48.000 MMA for everything.

01:50:49.000 So kickboxing for MMA, boxing for MMA, wrestling for MMA, and jiu-jitsu for MMA. So it's like more of an instructional thing, but it's also like training programs?

01:50:59.000 And strength conditioning for MMA, right?

01:51:00.000 Everything's based around like a fight camp.

01:51:02.000 That's why it's fit to fight.

01:51:04.000 Sam Calvita's is like if you're really into your body and want to be healthy, want to get in crazy shape, or if you have goals to gain weight, lose weight, get your hair analysis done and realize what's in your body or supplementation.

01:51:16.000 They do go hand in hand, but it depends.

01:51:18.000 If you want to just be more of getting in shape and be healthy, you'll get more information than you can ever imagine off of Sam's app.

01:51:27.000 When I tell you about stuff, it's hard for me to even explain everything.

01:51:30.000 His app or his website will tell you more about it.

01:51:32.000 And your stuff is all web-based, your Fit to Fight program?

01:51:34.000 Yes, yeah.

01:51:35.000 So, like, iPad, laptop?

01:51:38.000 Yes, my Fit to Fight.

01:51:39.000 Like, once you buy the Fit to Fight, you get all, like, it's 140 videos.

01:51:43.000 It's, like, all the cart.

01:51:44.000 You get them all.

01:51:45.000 There it is.

01:51:45.000 And I run you through, like, so say we're doing kickboxing today for our workout.

01:51:50.000 Like, we're in a class.

01:51:51.000 We're going to do kickboxing drills, and then I'll pair them up with a strength conditioning workout that'll make you better at kickboxing.

01:51:56.000 Yeah.

01:51:57.000 Maybe I'm doing some core stuff or some footwork drills, and then I'm doing how to throw a head kick, things like that.

01:52:04.000 It's a full schedule.

01:52:07.000 Badass little website, too.

01:52:08.000 That looks nice.

01:52:09.000 Thank you, man.

01:52:10.000 It's taken me a long time to build it.

01:52:12.000 I've been over a year of recording videos and building it, and obviously it's like 15 years of my knowledge of me putting in through wrestling and all my MMA career and stuff, too.

01:52:22.000 I've been doing that.

01:52:24.000 I'm doing so much.

01:52:25.000 I have a company I'm starting.

01:52:27.000 Well, not starting.

01:52:27.000 I'm franchising out a cold-pressed juice company in Yorba Linda called Clean Juice.

01:52:31.000 It's really cool.

01:52:32.000 I'm opening that up here in the next couple months.

01:52:34.000 Nice.

01:52:34.000 I am.

01:52:34.000 I'm really thinking about my future.

01:52:36.000 I've got a one-year-old kid, and I've got futures of having more kids, and so I want to be able to be around and have my career set up for that.

01:52:43.000 That's awesome, dude.

01:52:44.000 Yeah.

01:52:45.000 Well, listen, best of luck to you.

01:52:46.000 Congratulations on everything you've done so far, and I can't wait to see you back in there, and let us know when you're fighting again, and we'll let everybody else know, too.

01:52:53.000 Trust me, I'll let everyone know, man.

01:52:54.000 I really appreciate it.

01:52:55.000 Thank you very much.

01:52:56.000 TJ Dillashaw, ladies and gentlemen.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 31, 2019

JRE MMA Show #57 with TJ Dillashaw

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