The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #6 with Eddie Bravo

00:00:00.000 Do So I was looking at this video today of this dude jumping this cliff in his bike.

00:00:13.000 Like Jamie was showing this one guy who does this on buildings. 0.93

00:00:17.000 He does it like he rides his bike on like the ledges of buildings and shit and jumps from building to building.

00:00:22.000 And I was watching this other guy jump this cliff with his bike, like literally jumps over one side of the cliff and lands onto the other. 0.98

00:00:28.000 It's fucking like you're watching the whole thing. 0.99

00:00:30.000 You're going, Jesus Christ, if he falls, he's dead. 1.00

00:00:32.000 He's fucking dead. 1.00

00:00:34.000 That shit's totally legal. 1.00

00:00:36.000 Right? 1.00

00:00:37.000 Like, we were talking about people thinking that MMA is barbaric.

00:00:40.000 That it should be illegal.

00:00:41.000 Like, where should you be allowed to take your risks? 1.00

00:00:44.000 Look at this fucking guy. 1.00

00:00:46.000 This guy's crazy, dude. 1.00

00:00:47.000 Look at this shit. 1.00

00:00:48.000 Hopping from building to building. 1.00

00:00:51.000 I mean, he's riding a bike on the edges of these buildings. 0.99

00:00:54.000 This is fucking insane. 0.99

00:00:57.000 I mean, this guy's got just ridiculous control with his bicycle. 0.99

00:01:02.000 I mean, should this be legal?

00:01:03.000 I don't know.

00:01:04.000 Seems like he's doing okay.

00:01:05.000 Seems fine. 0.98

00:01:06.000 But if he fucks up, like, you know about that Chinese dude that just died? 0.99

00:01:10.000 No. 0.99

00:01:11.000 He was one of those YouTube guys who would take videos of him on top of skyscrapers and shit. 0.99

00:01:17.000 He fell. 1.00

00:01:17.000 He fell to his death. 1.00

00:01:19.000 Damn. 1.00

00:01:19.000 Yeah, dude. 1.00

00:01:20.000 It looks ugly, too.

00:01:21.000 It looks scary.

00:01:21.000 Like he was trying to claw himself up and he couldn't.

00:01:23.000 And then you see his hands slip and you realize, that's a wrap, son.

00:01:27.000 600 feet.

00:01:28.000 I had a friend who was training to be a base jumper, and there's things you gotta do.

00:01:35.000 So many regular skydiving jumps.

00:01:37.000 You gotta master skydiving.

00:01:39.000 And just that before you get into...

00:01:42.000 And then there's things you have to do.

00:01:43.000 There's like, listen, halfway through...

00:01:46.000 Too many people died in the scene?

00:01:49.000 Or this person just stepped back and said, you know what, maybe...

00:01:53.000 Because it's not that uncommon where these crazy base jumpers die or almost die, right? 1.00

00:01:59.000 Oh yeah, there's a lot of videos.

00:02:00.000 There's one I saw that was awful.

00:02:02.000 This Russian guy jumps off the top of this building and his parachute doesn't open up in time. 0.99

00:02:06.000 And he bounces off the ground and you hear him screaming.

00:02:10.000 And he just goes...

00:02:13.000 How about that one guy?

00:02:14.000 What do they call that?

00:02:14.000 They don't call it base jumping, but they're like flying squirrels.

00:02:17.000 What is that?

00:02:18.000 My friend Andy's the world record holder.

00:02:21.000 Andy Stump's the world record holder.

00:02:23.000 He flew, what was it, 18 miles?

00:02:25.000 I think he covered 18 miles.

00:02:27.000 What's that called?

00:02:28.000 It's a flying wingsuit.

00:02:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:30.000 But there's one guy that's super famous for doing it, too, and he was supposed to go through, you know, they go down cans, and he went between two rocks, and his leg clipped one of them. 0.99

00:02:39.000 Yeah, and then it fucked him. 0.98

00:02:41.000 He didn't die, though. 1.00

00:02:42.000 Which is crazy!

00:02:43.000 Well, you know the one guy that did die on the Golden Gate Bridge?

00:02:46.000 You ever see that one?

00:02:49.000 He slammed right into the bridge while people were watching him.

00:02:52.000 He was supposed to go between the wires and hit the bridge.

00:02:56.000 Like he jumped off a plane?

00:02:58.000 Crazier. 0.95

00:02:59.000 Like, he hit it like a bullet.

00:03:02.000 No, but he jumped off a plane and then went flying down and tried to go through the bridge?

00:03:05.000 I don't know where he jumped off of.

00:03:06.000 I don't know if he jumped off of a plane or he jumped off of another bridge.

00:03:10.000 I don't know what he did, but when he was trying to do it, he literally slammed right into the bridge.

00:03:14.000 And it sounds like a crazy car accident.

00:03:17.000 Bang! 1.00

00:03:18.000 How long ago was that?

00:03:19.000 A few years back.

00:03:21.000 This is it. 1.00

00:03:21.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:03:22.000 You wanna hear it? 1.00

00:03:23.000 Give us some volume, Jamie.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, it wasn't Golden Gate, but...

00:03:26.000 San Francisco?

00:03:27.000 Which bridge was it?

00:03:28.000 It's horrible, dude. 1.00

00:03:32.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:03:34.000 Who's that in the parachute? 1.00

00:03:41.000 That's another guy.

00:03:42.000 He was flying with another guy.

00:03:44.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:03:48.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:03:49.000 Dude, fuck. 1.00

00:03:52.000 It sounded like there was a bunch of people there watching, too. 1.00

00:03:55.000 There were, too.

00:03:57.000 But should you be allowed to do that?

00:03:59.000 I don't think you should be able to tell someone they can't do something.

00:04:02.000 Right?

00:04:02.000 Why should you be able to?

00:04:04.000 What if...

00:04:05.000 What if they just start influencing so many young kids to do it and there's all these kids dying all over the place?

00:04:13.000 Then do you make it illegal?

00:04:16.000 Man, that's a good question.

00:04:19.000 Well, then do you make war illegal?

00:04:22.000 You can't do that.

00:04:23.000 Right.

00:04:24.000 How are we supposed to eat?

00:04:28.000 Like, what sport?

00:04:29.000 When does it become too dangerous?

00:04:31.000 Like, soccer people, apparently, some of them get brain damage from heading the ball.

00:04:37.000 Apparently you're not supposed to head things like that.

00:04:39.000 They do it all the time at practice.

00:04:40.000 They start developing traumatic brain injuries.

00:04:44.000 They get CTE from head-butting a ball.

00:04:47.000 So that may be more dangerous than wrestling.

00:04:52.000 Yep.

00:04:52.000 You know?

00:04:53.000 But there's no way.

00:04:55.000 I mean, people talk about trying to make it illegal because it's barbaric.

00:04:58.000 There's no way you're going to make MMA illegal. 0.99

00:05:00.000 It's too late for that shit. 0.99

00:05:01.000 I think so, too. 1.00

00:05:02.000 But it's interesting when people start rallying for more regulation for people's behavior.

00:05:06.000 It's voluntary behavior.

00:05:08.000 What's the latest?

00:05:09.000 Is there some new thing?

00:05:10.000 No, I just read some article.

00:05:12.000 It was just something on MMA being barbaric.

00:05:15.000 And I'm like, yeah, it is.

00:05:17.000 A lot of things are. 0.96

00:05:19.000 You know, we like a lot of things that are fucking super dangerous. 0.91

00:05:21.000 But there's something about, like, agreed-upon violence. 0.97

00:05:24.000 Like, you train for six weeks, he trains for six weeks, you both get into a cage together, and we all watch it, like screaming monkeys.

00:05:31.000 Well, we know that in football...

00:05:34.000 Some guys get Lou Gehrig's disease, right?

00:05:36.000 Sure.

00:05:36.000 I mean, Steve Smith, remember the guy from the Raiders?

00:05:39.000 He was on an HBO special.

00:05:42.000 They get all kinds of brain issues.

00:05:44.000 Has that happened in MMA? Not like that, I don't think.

00:05:47.000 Not yet, but you've got to think of the long history of football.

00:05:50.000 With football, you're dealing with guys who played in the 50s and 60s, right?

00:05:53.000 Yeah, this guy was...

00:05:55.000 Played on the Raiders like in the early 90s.

00:05:58.000 Steve Smith, I think was his name.

00:05:59.000 Well, we have a few guys like that, right?

00:06:01.000 We have Gary Goodrich, who fought in the UFC in 93 or 94, remember?

00:06:05.000 But he doesn't have Lou Gehrig's.

00:06:06.000 No, but he's got some serious CTE. He's been real open about it, does a lot of interviews about it.

00:06:12.000 He's on a bunch of medication.

00:06:13.000 He said actually the real damage came when he started doing K-1.

00:06:16.000 Hell yeah.

00:06:17.000 Yeah, he started kickboxing.

00:06:19.000 He started kickboxing.

00:06:21.000 But, you know, Big Daddy...

00:06:22.000 Can't be surprised, though.

00:06:23.000 I mean... 1.00

00:06:24.000 No, Big Daddy was in some fucking wars. 1.00

00:06:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:27.000 Remember, he got head kicked by...

00:06:28.000 I don't mean about Gary Goodrich.

00:06:31.000 I mean about everybody.

00:06:32.000 Oh, no.

00:06:32.000 About anybody, yeah.

00:06:33.000 The fact that you don't have... 0.98

00:06:33.000 If you fight for 10 years and you don't come out with some significant brain damage, you're fucking lucky. 0.98

00:06:41.000 You're in a sport where your brain is the target. 0.98

00:06:45.000 So lucky.

00:06:46.000 Everyone's trying to figure out ways.

00:06:49.000 They're lifting weights.

00:06:50.000 They're doing kettlebells so that they could hit your brain even harder. 1.00

00:06:54.000 They're learning technique so that it's perfect so that when it hits your fucking brain, it just knocks you the fuck out. 1.00

00:07:00.000 That is crazy, right? 1.00

00:07:01.000 That's the sport.

00:07:02.000 That is the sport.

00:07:03.000 So no one should be surprised.

00:07:05.000 You can't be.

00:07:07.000 But you can't be surprised.

00:07:10.000 What was that guy's name?

00:07:11.000 Tony Canigliaro?

00:07:12.000 Is that the guy that got hit with a baseball?

00:07:15.000 The guy that got hit with a pitch when I was in high school, I think, in Boston.

00:07:20.000 I still like baseball.

00:07:22.000 I found Taekwondo because of baseball.

00:07:25.000 I went to a baseball game and passed by the Taekwondo studio because the line for the tee was really long to get on the public transportation.

00:07:32.000 So he said, let's just go up there and watch.

00:07:34.000 And so we walked up the stairs and this guy, John Lee, who's a U.S. national light heavyweight champion, was kicking the back.

00:07:40.000 And he was kicking the back so hard. 0.76

00:07:41.000 I was like, holy shit, I want to figure out how to do that. 0.98

00:07:44.000 That's a movie right there. 0.97

00:07:45.000 Dude, I was walking up the stairs and I heard, ka-wump, ka-chink, ka-wump, ka-chink, and the ka-chink was the chains of the bag, just ka-chink, because he had this 150-pound bag flying through the air. 1.00

00:07:58.000 Dude, I came up and I watched him kick that thing and I was like, I gotta learn how to do that.

00:08:03.000 That is crazy. 0.99

00:08:05.000 How the fuck could he do that? 0.99

00:08:06.000 But the guy who was famous in Boston from what I remember when I was in high school was this guy, Tony C. Tony Conigliaro, and he was hit with a pitch and became, like, you know, disabled. 0.99

00:08:19.000 He got hit in the head in 1967, I guess.

00:08:22.000 There it goes.

00:08:23.000 A Revere native was a rising star with the Red Sox.

00:08:25.000 So I'm way later than this, so I must have been just hearing everybody talk about it.

00:08:33.000 But, you know, that can happen.

00:08:35.000 Your story about the first time, you know, considering how extraordinary your sidekicks are, that story is just so strong. 1.00

00:08:46.000 It's like, where did that shit come from? 1.00

00:08:48.000 It came from my instruction, for sure. 1.00

00:08:51.000 Didn't he tell you?

00:08:53.000 But that story, how crazy that story, you're going to a baseball game and you hear these cluck cluck, or you end up going to a taekwondo school.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 Because of why?

00:09:02.000 Why didn't you go to the baseball game again?

00:09:03.000 Well, we went to the baseball game.

00:09:05.000 We were on our way home.

00:09:06.000 Okay, on your way home. 0.98

00:09:07.000 You know, everybody leaves Fenway Park, so the line for the train was fucking huge. 0.82

00:09:11.000 So everybody's getting on the tee. 0.91

00:09:13.000 So we were kids.

00:09:14.000 You guys just hanging out?

00:09:16.000 Yeah, I couldn't drive back then.

00:09:17.000 I was like 14, almost 15. You see this Taekwondo school?

00:09:21.000 Yeah, I knew it was there.

00:09:22.000 Because I had always looked at martial arts schools because I wanted to go to one for a long time.

00:09:26.000 But I looked at them from the yellow pages.

00:09:28.000 Like, who has the biggest ad?

00:09:32.000 Big ad of the yellow pages are like oh that must be the spot man.

00:09:35.000 That's gotta be the spot when I was a kid Right next to our neighborhood McDonald's was a karate studio and Man, I was as poor as poor can be.

00:09:45.000 I mean we didn't have any money So but on Fridays when my mom would get paid we'd go to we'd go to McDonald's That was our that was like we're celebrating.

00:09:53.000 Thank God.

00:09:54.000 It's Friday.

00:09:55.000 She got $150 check and She's taking her kids to McDonald's.

00:09:58.000 And every time I went to McDonald's, I'd always look over at that karate studio and just think, man, I wish I was rich.

00:10:07.000 Jesus, I just wanted to do karate.

00:10:09.000 I remember one time, it was just like a scary studio.

00:10:12.000 And it looked cool.

00:10:14.000 It was in Santa Ana on Bristol and 17th.

00:10:18.000 Right there.

00:10:19.000 It may still be there.

00:10:20.000 I drove by the other day.

00:10:22.000 Didn't drive by that.

00:10:23.000 Tell the story about how your instructor pretended he went to China.

00:10:31.000 Tell the story.

00:10:32.000 I don't want to bust him out.

00:10:33.000 This podcast is too big for that.

00:10:35.000 Can I do it without saying his name?

00:10:37.000 Oh yeah, don't say his name.

00:10:38.000 No, I don't want to say his name.

00:10:39.000 Don't say his name.

00:10:40.000 You know, I don't want to bring it up.

00:10:41.000 Okay, we don't have to bring it up.

00:10:42.000 Whatever.

00:10:43.000 Hey man, back in the day, that's what people did.

00:10:45.000 There's a lot of guys that got by with some fake martial arts.

00:10:49.000 They really did.

00:10:49.000 There was a lot of fake stuff out there.

00:10:51.000 And that's why I think to this day, like if I hadn't walked up those stairs, I could have went to some bullshit school. 0.83

00:10:57.000 I took karate for like one lesson or maybe two at the most before that at Joe Esposito's Karate Academy, which is a really good spot. 0.58

00:11:06.000 It was in my city too, but there was no good public transportation methods to get there.

00:11:11.000 It was too hard to get there.

00:11:12.000 It was too hard to get there.

00:11:12.000 And you're 13, 14?

00:11:14.000 Yeah, I was 14. So then a year later is when I wind up walking up those stairs and hearing that bag going, ka-chink! 1.00

00:11:20.000 That's a movie right there.

00:11:22.000 That's a cartoon, definitely.

00:11:23.000 Not only that, he was training for the World Championships.

00:11:27.000 He was training.

00:11:28.000 He was a national champion at the time.

00:11:30.000 And he was training for the World Cup where he took bronze.

00:11:33.000 So he was like top of his game. 0.99

00:11:35.000 This guy, John Lee, he taught me a lot of shit, too. 0.99

00:11:39.000 He taught me a lot. 1.00

00:11:40.000 White guy? 0.84

00:11:41.000 Black guy. 0.98

00:11:42.000 Big, tall, thin, black guy who wound up having a substance abuse problem. 0.94

00:11:47.000 He was a national Taekwondo champion. 1.00

00:11:50.000 He was a bad motherfucker, dude. 1.00

00:11:51.000 He kicked so hard. 1.00

00:11:53.000 But he wasn't the head instructor at the school.

00:11:55.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:11:56.000 He was a Korean dude and an American dude named Michael O'Malley who spent the most time with me.

00:12:01.000 He spent the most time with me.

00:12:03.000 Who was the main instructor?

00:12:04.000 The Korean guy.

00:12:05.000 Jin Hun Kim, the Korean guy.

00:12:06.000 He was trained by General Choi Young Yee, who's the founder of Taekwondo in Korea.

00:12:11.000 So he was like one of a very small elite group.

00:12:14.000 He was like Henzo Gracie.

00:12:17.000 In a way, yeah.

00:12:18.000 But the difference is they emphasized a power style.

00:12:22.000 Whereas as it got more and more competitive, guys realized with that chest protector on, the best style for scoring is like really quick kicks that don't have as much power, but you score and you win tournaments like that.

00:12:37.000 And so the game changed and the kicks changed.

00:12:40.000 Because to throw a kick that's hard, you have to plant yourself.

00:12:43.000 And it does take a little bit more time.

00:12:46.000 It takes a little bit more time.

00:12:48.000 So it's better to spend more time on just getting points?

00:12:51.000 Yeah, in a lot of the Taekwondo tournaments, because those guys were really good, and they knew how to play that game so well.

00:12:56.000 They were so fast with their legs, but they would just touch you. 0.98

00:12:59.000 They would just slap, slap, slap, slap. 0.99

00:13:00.000 And some guys would kick harder than others, but the whole hard style of the early Taekwondo was kind of missing in a lot of their approaches, because they were just trying to win.

00:13:09.000 And if you really dug in and tried to kick hard, a lot of times those guys would outscore you.

00:13:13.000 You're dealing with really fast, really skillful guys.

00:13:17.000 But then... 0.97

00:13:18.000 When you apply that to fighting fighting, the real problem is like in fighting fighting, you have to land hard shit because people are not just going to play taekwondo with you. 0.97

00:13:27.000 They're going to try to take you down. 0.99

00:13:28.000 They're going to try to kick your legs. 1.00

00:13:30.000 They're going to try to do a bunch of shits. 1.00

00:13:31.000 All that flippy flippy shit, that flippy flippy shit, you got to make a hard transition. 1.00

00:13:36.000 Whereas like Muay Thai guys, Muay Thai guys, they're fucking digging. 1.00

00:13:40.000 Everything's digging. 0.99

00:13:42.000 They're fucking driving into everything. 0.98

00:13:45.000 Everything they're trying to blast you with. 0.98

00:13:46.000 You know, they're doing it skillfully, but there's emphasis on power through the whole thing. 0.99

00:13:50.000 So when they would fight, if a Taekwondo guy fought a Muay Thai guy, and it's happened many times, Taekwondo guys are fucked. 1.00

00:13:57.000 They're fucked. 1.00

00:13:58.000 They just get their legs kicked out from under. 1.00

00:13:59.000 They just can't last.

00:14:00.000 It's the same thing with leg locks in Jiu-Jitsu.

00:14:03.000 It's the same thing.

00:14:04.000 It is.

00:14:05.000 It's attacking the leg.

00:14:06.000 Because when everything is legal in Jiu-Jitsu, when everything's legal, man, legs become the most important thing.

00:14:12.000 Because you don't have to sweep. 0.99

00:14:14.000 You know, if chokes are the most important, then you've got to do a lot of shit before you could. 1.00

00:14:17.000 You've got to pass this guy's. 0.99

00:14:18.000 First you've got to sweep him, then you've got to pass his guard, then you've got to get his back. 0.98

00:14:20.000 You've got to do so much shit before you can get to his neck a lot of the times, most of the times. 0.99

00:14:25.000 With leg locks, you don't need to do any of that shit. 1.00

00:14:27.000 You just need to jump right on them. 0.98

00:14:28.000 They're right there.

00:14:29.000 You don't ever need to sweep anybody.

00:14:31.000 You don't ever need to pass anybody's guard.

00:14:32.000 You could just go legs 100% and roll with a pure jiu-jitsu guy and wreck them.

00:14:37.000 You could do that.

00:14:38.000 That happens all the time.

00:14:39.000 The leg game When everything is legal, the leg game, that's the first fight.

00:14:46.000 That's the first fight.

00:14:47.000 Whether you like it or not, you have to deal with it.

00:14:50.000 If you want the neck, okay, you're going to have to deal with this leg war right now.

00:14:53.000 Because you can't get to the neck unless you can deal with that. 0.98

00:14:56.000 You're going to go around the forest, the leg locks, or you're going to go fucking right through.

00:15:00.000 But you take leg locks out of the game, make them illegal, then it becomes a whole different sport.

00:15:06.000 It's totally different.

00:15:07.000 It's exactly what you're talking about with the power shots and the point shots.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, it's exactly what we're talking about where like the style of MMA now is almost always attacking the legs.

00:15:17.000 Everybody attacks the legs.

00:15:18.000 Did you see Dos Anjos Lawler?

00:15:19.000 Hell yeah.

00:15:21.000 That was...

00:15:22.000 Dos Anjos is for real at 170, man.

00:15:25.000 He's for real.

00:15:26.000 The striking's better than ever. 0.97

00:15:27.000 Who the fuck ever did that to Robbie Lawler? 0.98

00:15:30.000 Who just... 0.99

00:15:31.000 Outclassed Robbie Lawler. 1.00

00:15:32.000 Who the fuck did that? 0.99

00:15:33.000 Nobody ever did that. 0.99

00:15:35.000 His endurance, too.

00:15:36.000 Robbie Lawler never really...

00:15:38.000 At the end, he kind of showed that his legs were done, right?

00:15:40.000 At the very end, he was kind of wobbling. 1.00

00:15:42.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

00:15:43.000 He took it the whole way. 1.00

00:15:44.000 I mean, you could see by the giant swelling.

00:15:46.000 But can you see it by...

00:15:47.000 Was he kind of like...

00:15:48.000 He wasn't moving well, and he was definitely more stationary.

00:15:52.000 He was just taking out his leg.

00:15:54.000 And that low leg kick, isn't it crazy?

00:15:56.000 I was just talking to somebody about that.

00:15:58.000 Isn't it crazy that more people don't strategize to use that leg to wear down the legs?

00:16:03.000 You would think, in so many fights, it's never one of the main strategies.

00:16:08.000 I think that low leg kick is changing the game.

00:16:11.000 I really do. 0.98

00:16:11.000 Remember when Stipe fought Junior and his legs swole up like a fucking balloon like almost immediately? 0.98

00:16:16.000 Uriah Faber fought Jimmy Rivera. 0.99

00:16:19.000 Jimmy Rivera fucked him up with that lower leg kick. 0.93

00:16:21.000 Isn't it weird that more people don't focus on that? 0.97

00:16:22.000 I think they're doing it more and more now, man.

00:16:24.000 I think, but what's crazy is it's pretty recent.

00:16:27.000 I credit it to Benson Henderson.

00:16:29.000 Henderson was like the first guy I ever saw do it.

00:16:31.000 He started doing it, like, really regularly.

00:16:33.000 And I was like, hmm.

00:16:34.000 Like, at, like, really high-level guys, like, world championship-level guys, Benson Henderson was the first guy to do it.

00:16:39.000 I was like, I like that.

00:16:41.000 And I talked to Duke Rufus about it.

00:16:43.000 He's like, it's the worst.

00:16:43.000 What, just taking the legs out?

00:16:45.000 No, lower leg kicks. 0.92

00:16:46.000 Lower, like, hitting the shins. 0.85

00:16:48.000 Oh.

00:16:48.000 Everybody, they're attacking the inside of your leg, like, in your calf, your lower calf, and the outside.

00:16:54.000 Devastating.

00:16:54.000 It fucks the nerves up.

00:16:56.000 Like your legs give out.

00:16:57.000 You see Uriah's fight with Jimmy Rivera?

00:17:00.000 Rivera just constantly chopped at that leg and Uriah's leg became like almost useless.

00:17:05.000 You can't walk on it.

00:17:06.000 I was just talking about straight leg kicks too.

00:17:09.000 Oh that too, for sure.

00:17:10.000 Just the regular old kick right above the knee.

00:17:13.000 Yeah.

00:17:13.000 Right, you know.

00:17:14.000 Well, you know what?

00:17:14.000 Here's another thing too, man.

00:17:15.000 Those Bruce Lee kicks.

00:17:17.000 Those oblique kicks that a lot of guys are using. 0.99

00:17:20.000 You know, those are fucking legit, man. 0.99

00:17:23.000 They blow your knees out. 1.00

00:17:24.000 I mean, they slam into your thigh and they blow your fucking knees out. 0.99

00:17:27.000 And, you know, a lot of people don't like it. 0.99

00:17:29.000 They think it's nasty. 0.96

00:17:30.000 But look, you're trying to kill each other with your bones. 0.97

00:17:33.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:17:33.000 That's... 0.98

00:17:34.000 Getting your knee blown out.

00:17:36.000 That's baffling why that would come up when dudes are trying to do like flying knees like those Dos Anjos double flying knees. 0.94

00:17:43.000 What do you call those?

00:17:44.000 Skip knees?

00:17:45.000 Flying knee, yeah.

00:17:46.000 He uses that first knee to propel that second knee.

00:17:50.000 Bam! 0.98

00:17:50.000 He also does it so you have to block that first knee. 0.98

00:17:54.000 You've got to react to that first knee and it helps the second knee get in there.

00:17:57.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 You see that knee coming at you, you're gonna react in that second knees.

00:18:01.000 That should be something that you'd see way more often.

00:18:04.000 If you're trying to get in the UFC and you're not adding as many different weapons, you can't add them all at once.

00:18:13.000 So you take the most important ones, your one-two, and your leg kick, and maybe a head kick, and then you slowly, obviously you would just add them, but you should be If you're making a living in the UFC or that's your goal, you should be always working on adding a new strike to the mix.

00:18:34.000 A new something that you master.

00:18:35.000 Something on this camp we're gonna focus.

00:18:38.000 You gotta always be adding.

00:18:39.000 It's just so hard to get really good at one thing while you're doing everything.

00:18:44.000 You gotta kinda do, focus on the basics, and then have 20 minutes a week, where you're just working on, and over time.

00:18:52.000 Over time will fly, and if you spend 20 minutes a week on a new technique, It's going to, within six months, it's going to be something that you've mastered, maybe a year.

00:19:03.000 If you're consistent with it, you could just keep doing that.

00:19:05.000 You could just keep adding another one.

00:19:07.000 Add another one.

00:19:08.000 Especially with all that's available with striking, it seems like the days of just going out there boxing and throwing a leg kick every now and then, that's only going to get you so...

00:19:17.000 That's like...

00:19:20.000 It doesn't seem like it would be the smart thing to do to not constantly add weapons.

00:19:26.000 I 100% agree with you, and I always say boil it down to what's the best in each genre.

00:19:33.000 And arguably one of the best striking arts, if not the best, is Thai boxing, Muay Thai.

00:19:38.000 You don't see anybody just winning Muay Thai with boxing.

00:19:41.000 They don't just go over there and just box. 0.99

00:19:44.000 Fucking nobody does that. 0.99

00:19:45.000 They go over there and you tie box. 0.99

00:19:48.000 They kicked each other, they elbow, they use the clinch, they throw elbows.

00:19:51.000 They're not trying to do a Mike Tyson in there.

00:19:53.000 They get their legs chopped out from under them.

00:19:55.000 If both guys know how to box, the guy who knows how to box and kick your legs is going to have a big advantage.

00:20:01.000 I mean, it's just, I don't think there's hardly anybody that's going over to Thailand and just trying to box Muay Thai fighters.

00:20:07.000 It's a terrible idea.

00:20:08.000 And there's so much more to that is what I'm saying.

00:20:10.000 Yeah.

00:20:10.000 The turning sidekicks.

00:20:12.000 Oh yeah.

00:20:12.000 All that.

00:20:12.000 Wheel kicks.

00:20:13.000 If you're really good at Just really good.

00:20:18.000 It's so good that your training camp has to address it and use valuable time to address and train against that.

00:20:25.000 You already got him off balance.

00:20:27.000 Like when I was in George Sotteropoulos' corner when he fought Dennis Seaver.

00:20:31.000 That was a part of the training camp.

00:20:33.000 We had to deal with Dennis Seaver's Turning sidekick. 0.99

00:20:36.000 He was laying people out with that turning sidekick.

00:20:40.000 Still to this day, he can still throw it and if he lands it, you're probably going to get knocked out.

00:20:46.000 He's probably one of the best.

00:20:47.000 So that throws your opponent's game off.

00:20:52.000 He's got to constantly worry about that instead of not having to worry about that.

00:20:56.000 If Dennis Seaver had all the rest of his skills but you just deleted that turning sidekick, then you wouldn't really have to focus on that much.

00:21:05.000 You can focus more on yourself and your game plan and how you're going to impose your game plan. 0.99

00:21:10.000 Like, fuck really what he's doing. 0.98

00:21:11.000 But when you have something real dangerous like that, like with Edson Barboza, he's got that spinning wheel kick that he's knocked out a few people with, right? 0.99

00:21:22.000 At least two?

00:21:23.000 He's the first wheel kick knockout ever in the UFC. How many does he have?

00:21:26.000 At least two or three, right?

00:21:27.000 A couple.

00:21:28.000 I don't know.

00:21:28.000 He's the first guy ever in the UFC also that has two stoppages by leg kicks.

00:21:32.000 Yeah.

00:21:34.000 That throws your whole game off.

00:21:35.000 You gotta worry about him throwing some grand slam strike at you.

00:21:40.000 His kicks are so scary.

00:21:41.000 He's the fastest kicker I've ever seen as far as his switch kick.

00:21:44.000 I've never seen a guy throw a switch kick like Edson Barboza.

00:21:47.000 It just gets in there so fast. 1.00

00:21:49.000 You're like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:21:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:52.000 He's fighting Nurmagomedov. 1.00

00:21:54.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:21:57.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:21:58.000 That's gonna be a crazy one. 0.99

00:21:59.000 December 30th.

00:21:59.000 You should come.

00:22:00.000 It's gonna be a crazy one.

00:22:00.000 You should come to that one.

00:22:01.000 Vegas? 1.00

00:22:02.000 Come see that shit live. 1.00

00:22:04.000 It's a tough one. 1.00

00:22:07.000 It's a tough one.

00:22:07.000 When you got a family, it's like...

00:22:09.000 I hear you, bro.

00:22:09.000 You can't just go, hey, I'm gonna go to Vegas with my buddies.

00:22:12.000 I know.

00:22:13.000 It's a different life.

00:22:15.000 That fight is a...

00:22:16.000 And I love it. 0.99

00:22:17.000 If I never go to Vegas ever again, I wouldn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:22:22.000 I've been so much that I'm good for the rest of my life. 0.99

00:22:25.000 Seriously, I really am.

00:22:27.000 I think you'd want to go back every now and again.

00:22:31.000 We're going to do an EBI in Vegas.

00:22:32.000 May 5th in Vegas.

00:22:34.000 And is it May 5th before the UFC? No, it's on a Saturday night.

00:22:38.000 I don't know if there's not a UFC on the same date.

00:22:44.000 We're going to have a combat jiu-jitsu match between Gordon Ryan and Vinny Magalhães.

00:22:52.000 Oh my god, that's crazy.

00:22:54.000 We don't normally do super fights in EBI because I take all the purse money that we have available in our budget and we put it towards the winner.

00:23:04.000 The winner take all in the tournament, we don't have extra money for additional super fights.

00:23:08.000 But this one, we had to figure out a way to make it happen.

00:23:12.000 It's going to be nuts, dude.

00:23:13.000 Gordon Ryan against Vinny Magalhães in combat jiu-jitsu.

00:23:18.000 Combat jiu-jitsu might be the next big thing.

00:23:20.000 It really could be the next big thing.

00:23:22.000 Because as far as, like, preparation, jiu-jitsu preparation for MMA, without kicking and punching a knee and standing up, it's the best preparation.

00:23:29.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:23:31.000 There's a bunch of different ways to look at it. 0.96

00:23:35.000 An MMA purist might say, what the fuck is this combat jiu-jitsu with slaps? 0.96

00:23:38.000 We'll just watch MMA. What's the point? 0.98

00:23:41.000 People can say that easily.

00:23:43.000 But the way I look at it, nothing is as good as the UFC. That's the best.

00:23:50.000 There's nothing better than the UFC. But there are jujitsu fanatics that just want to see jujitsu in the UFC. They're really not that into a kickboxing match.

00:24:00.000 If Junior Dos Santos fights Cain Velasquez and it's a kickboxing match, that would be an all-time great match to watch.

00:24:07.000 But there's a group of jujitsu fanatics that just want to watch the jujitsu.

00:24:13.000 But...

00:24:14.000 With the strikes, and MMA is the only place where you could watch MMA Jiu-Jitsu.

00:24:20.000 It's a totally different style.

00:24:22.000 When you watch just pure Jiu-Jitsu, that's not MMA Jiu-Jitsu.

00:24:24.000 It has nothing to do with MMA Jiu-Jitsu.

00:24:26.000 Well, what people don't understand is if people that don't do Jiu-Jitsu to listen to this, like, what are they talking about?

00:24:30.000 There's places where you're going for a submission, but someone could easily hit you in your face.

00:24:35.000 And it makes the move kind of unrealistic.

00:24:37.000 There's a lot of times where guys do unrealistic things, and really you could just be smacking them in the face, and they would have to stop and protect themselves.

00:24:44.000 Yeah.

00:24:44.000 When you're doing jujitsu without strikes, it's just pure jujitsu, you get into a lot of positions that would be dangerous if strikes were allowed.

00:24:54.000 Which is fine.

00:24:55.000 You know, jujitsu, I love submission on jujitsu.

00:24:58.000 I do too.

00:24:58.000 It's just a different thing.

00:25:00.000 It's just you need to understand what it is.

00:25:01.000 I mean, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't do that move if it's the most effective move in that rule set.

00:25:06.000 But there's a beautiful place for combat jujitsu.

00:25:09.000 Yeah, because now we could watch jujitsu fanatics.

00:25:12.000 It's just for jujitsu freaks.

00:25:14.000 We could watch MMA jujitsu and it's just pure MMA jujitsu.

00:25:19.000 We don't have to sit through the striking.

00:25:21.000 Because in MMA, if the fight gets boring on the ground, We have stand-ups.

00:25:27.000 In combat jiu-jitsu, after two minutes standing, we have get downs.

00:25:31.000 We get them down, just like in wrestling.

00:25:33.000 You get them down.

00:25:34.000 It's like, after two minutes, no one...

00:25:36.000 Because if we had a 10-minute or 15-minute combat jiu-jitsu match, and they were just standing and wrestling the whole time, that match is... 1.00

00:25:43.000 Shit, it's garbage. 1.00

00:25:45.000 That match, nobody wants to see that. 1.00

00:25:46.000 Two dudes just trying to wrestle for ten minutes. 0.88

00:25:50.000 So after two minutes, as horn sounds, a coin gets tossed, and if you lose, if you win the coin toss, you get to decide, top or bottom.

00:25:58.000 And we start, and sit up guard, like butterfly guard with double underhooks, you get top or bottom in that position.

00:26:03.000 And then we start right there.

00:26:04.000 And then if they stand up again, two minute clock.

00:26:06.000 So that's a new thing, huh?

00:26:07.000 Two minute get down clock, yeah.

00:26:08.000 When did that start?

00:26:11.000 We did that.

00:26:12.000 I like it.

00:26:13.000 We did that right at Combat Jiu Jitsu Worlds about a month ago.

00:26:17.000 I like that a lot.

00:26:17.000 Because that would ruin the show.

00:26:18.000 I constantly am thinking of ways to ruin the show.

00:26:22.000 Like, how can I ruin it?

00:26:23.000 Of course, if they just stand up and wrestle the whole time.

00:26:26.000 And that's going to happen in Combat Jiu Jitsu.

00:26:27.000 They're not going to pull guard as much as in sub-only.

00:26:30.000 People are pulling guard all over the place.

00:26:32.000 Right.

00:26:32.000 People are just tumbling and then there's no strikes and they're all over each other's legs and they're just pulling guard and flipping and doing all this stuff that when there's strikes, when there's strikes, boom, it just, we get into full guard now and we get, oh, the mount becomes very important.

00:26:50.000 Mount is, you could win a million EBIs and never mount a guy.

00:26:55.000 You know, you could just be a leg lock fanatic.

00:26:57.000 You could...

00:26:58.000 You don't have, like, full guard.

00:27:03.000 Was it Wagner Rocha and Nathan Orchard?

00:27:06.000 Yes, yes.

00:27:08.000 That was Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds 1. The winner of the lightweight bracket was Wagner Rocha.

00:27:14.000 He beat Nathan Orchard in the finals.

00:27:17.000 Was he the only guy to stop somebody?

00:27:19.000 That was the first TKO, yes.

00:27:21.000 He mounted Nathan Orchard and...

00:27:24.000 Referee Mike Beltran stopped the action.

00:27:27.000 Yeah, it was a good stoppage too.

00:27:29.000 Wagner's a very accomplished MMA fighter.

00:27:32.000 Yeah, so so again my point with them in Jiu-jitsu without strikes full guard totally unnecessary you could win Abu Dhabi Ten years in a row and never put anybody in your full guard.

00:27:43.000 If you never want to play full guard ever in regular jiu-jitsu without strikes, you never have to play full guard.

00:27:49.000 You just open up your legs and you just get into some Z or some kind of spiral, Delahive or whatever.

00:27:54.000 It's totally optional.

00:27:57.000 Most people don't even bother with it.

00:27:59.000 Krohn Gracie, he does.

00:28:00.000 He loves full guard, whether they're strikes or not.

00:28:02.000 That's why his full guard in MMA is...

00:28:05.000 Very effective because he always played full guard in his regular jujitsu without grappling.

00:28:10.000 So what happens with jujitsu is you add strikes in an MMA match or in a combat jujitsu match.

00:28:17.000 It's the same thing.

00:28:18.000 When strikes are added...

00:28:21.000 Now full guard becomes the most important guard.

00:28:24.000 It was the least important guard in grappling.

00:28:27.000 Now it becomes the most important guard.

00:28:30.000 So if you weren't playing full guard when you were doing jiu-jitsu without the strikes, and now you're doing jiu-jitsu with the strikes, guess what?

00:28:37.000 That's the guard that's gonna be the most important one when a guy could smack your head.

00:28:41.000 Yeah, control posture, pull guard.

00:28:43.000 You have to control posture.

00:28:45.000 And again, in sub only, You don't ever have to mount ever.

00:28:49.000 You never have to pass the guard.

00:28:50.000 But in combat jiu-jitsu, now the mount becomes super powerful because now you can mount and strike.

00:28:56.000 In sub only, if you mount, you can't strike.

00:28:59.000 I like mounting in sub only, but you don't have to.

00:29:03.000 You can get caught in leg locks.

00:29:04.000 If a guy has a good mount escape right into leg locks, that's what usually happens.

00:29:08.000 Most leg lock...

00:29:11.000 Masters are very good at letting dudes mount them, and then they buck them off, and right when they escape, they're already on the legs. 0.58

00:29:19.000 A lot of leg lockers do that. 0.95

00:29:22.000 But when there's strikes, you're going to let a dude mount you now?

00:29:26.000 Now, he's going to strike you now.

00:29:28.000 It's a big difference.

00:29:30.000 Now, the mount, from jujitsu with no strikes, to jujitsu with strikes, combat jujitsu, the mount just turns into this monster.

00:29:39.000 Well, it does, but what's really interesting is you're only allowing slaps. 0.81

00:29:42.000 Think about how much more of a monster Slapping they're not going When I say you're not allowing elbows no, I give you loud elbows. 0.97

00:29:54.000 Yeah, then it's let's exactly yeah Depends on depends on what kind of guard we're dealing with it depends on who's in the guard I mean but like if you allowed the back to be taken and you allowed elbows Would you go to what we've always said?

00:30:11.000 I?

00:30:11.000 You said this a long time ago, that if you had elbows, if elbows were allowed to the back of the head, they would change the whole back mount.

00:30:18.000 There would be nobody going for rear naked chucks. 0.96

00:30:20.000 You would just get the back and just elbow the shit out of the back of their head and the fight's over. 0.95

00:30:26.000 That's what was happening early in MMA, before they outlawed those elbows. 1.00

00:30:29.000 They used to be legal for like...

00:30:31.000 Couple years you remember the world combat whatever the fuck it was where Henzo Gracie fought that guy What is his name the judo guy?

00:30:39.000 Yeah, I want to say spiker. 0.77

00:30:41.000 Yes. 0.99

00:30:41.000 Yeah something something spiker Yeah, the judo guy had called him in his hotel room all through the middle of the night Fuck with them and and he got so pissed that when he choked the guy out He smashed him in the back of the head and then stepped on his neck as he walked off of him He took it. 0.99

00:30:56.000 He didn't choke him out. 0.98

00:30:57.000 He took his back, right?

00:30:58.000 He tapped him with strikes didn't he or did he choke him?

00:31:00.000 I don't remember.

00:31:01.000 He smashed him.

00:31:02.000 I'm not sure how he finished him, but I do remember him standing up and stepping on his neck.

00:31:06.000 Yeah.

00:31:06.000 I stomped on it.

00:31:07.000 See if you can find that video.

00:31:09.000 You got the video of the stoppage?

00:31:10.000 It's horrific.

00:31:11.000 But this is the perfect example of how effective elbows to the back of the head are once you take the back mount.

00:31:17.000 So, like, part of me, I see.

00:31:19.000 There it is.

00:31:20.000 Yeah.

00:31:20.000 That was quick, Jamie.

00:31:21.000 Henzo was a bad motherfucker, dude. 1.00

00:31:23.000 People forget. 1.00

00:31:24.000 He's still down to throw down. 1.00

00:31:26.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:31:26.000 Yes, look at that. 1.00

00:31:27.000 Look at this.

00:31:27.000 Back mount.

00:31:28.000 And then, DOOM! DOOM! DOOM! DOOM! Oh, yeah.

00:31:32.000 So did he get the choke?

00:31:34.000 So he did get the choke. 1.00

00:31:38.000 Those fucking shots were all in choke, man. 0.99

00:31:41.000 He's tapping right there, and Henzo keeps holding on to him even after he taps. 1.00

00:31:44.000 He choked him with the gi.

00:31:45.000 Yeah, and then watch.

00:31:46.000 He gets off of him and steps on his neck.

00:31:49.000 Henzo! 0.99

00:31:50.000 Henzo! 1.00

00:31:51.000 That guy is fucked up, and that's from those elbows, man. 1.00

00:31:54.000 That position changes radically. 1.00

00:31:56.000 Look, and he's trying to pick him up.

00:31:58.000 Henzo just rolls him over on his back.

00:32:01.000 Oh, that is hilarious.

00:32:03.000 Man, that was a big mistake wearing a gi. 0.96

00:32:05.000 Oh, huge mistake wearing a gi with a guy like Henzo.

00:32:08.000 You know?

00:32:09.000 Control you with that thing and you don't have it and he doesn't have a gi on?

00:32:12.000 Why?

00:32:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:13.000 That's... 0.98

00:32:14.000 Silly idea. 0.96

00:32:15.000 The back becomes even more. 0.99

00:32:16.000 It's easier to get rear naked chokes as we're allowing, you know, if you've got a guy's back, you can palm the side of their head. 0.90

00:32:22.000 Well, it's also the body. 0.89

00:32:23.000 Like, if you have elbows to the body.

00:32:25.000 Remember when Rampage stopped Chuck Liddell with elbows to the body?

00:32:29.000 People forget about that in Pride.

00:32:30.000 Elbows to the body, a guy who really knows how to throw an elbow, that's nasty.

00:32:34.000 You know, I mean, combat jiu-jitsu, you're opening up the door.

00:32:37.000 What you're doing is, like, you're opening up this door to letting jiu-jitsu guys understand, like, where are the positions where they'd be vulnerable.

00:32:44.000 But they're not going to take the kind of damage that they would in an MMA fight.

00:32:48.000 Exactly.

00:32:49.000 Exactly.

00:32:50.000 Yeah.

00:32:50.000 It's a great pathway.

00:32:52.000 It's a few things on a few different levels.

00:32:55.000 It's great for grapplers, whether they're wrestlers or jiu-jitsu players, to get into if they're aspiring to be an MMA fighter.

00:33:04.000 Also, guys that have done 30-40 fights and they're like, dude, this is just too brutal.

00:33:08.000 Guys coming out of MMA, it's a great place for them because generally, before combat jiu-jitsu, all...

00:33:18.000 MMA fighter had to retire to if he wanted to keep competing in grappling is like sub only or the points game and if you're not working on that every day You know the last ten years they were working on striking most of their time and and the purest like the pure sub only guys the leg lock guys and the pure Points players they're working on that every day to win those styles whether whether it's to win the points tournaments or the sub only tournament those The athletes that are winning those titles, they'll work on it every day.

00:33:47.000 So when an MMA fighter retires, he's not going to really want to go into subbowl.

00:33:51.000 He's like, dude, I'm just so far behind.

00:33:54.000 They don't want to do it.

00:33:55.000 But now with combat jiu-jitsu...

00:33:58.000 99.9% of the people that flooded me, I got a long list of people that want to be in combat jiu-jitsu.

00:34:05.000 They're all MMA fighters.

00:34:07.000 I'm sure it's like a walk in the park for them.

00:34:09.000 No pure jiu-jitsu guys.

00:34:12.000 Only one.

00:34:12.000 Really?

00:34:12.000 Only one.

00:34:13.000 Only one.

00:34:15.000 And that's Ben Eddy.

00:34:15.000 He's my brown belt from 10th Planet San Diego.

00:34:18.000 He trained with Denny at first, then he started training with Gio and Boogie down in San Diego.

00:34:23.000 He's a brown belt.

00:34:24.000 He had a combat jiu-jitsu match with Wilson Hayes at Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds.

00:34:30.000 And Ben Eddy probably has top two guards in the world.

00:34:35.000 Wow.

00:34:35.000 If you end up in his full guard, it's a wrap.

00:34:39.000 He does a hindulo team.

00:34:40.000 He plays rubber guard way different than me.

00:34:43.000 We have totally different styles of rubber guard.

00:34:45.000 It all starts off with either like a meat hook or mission control, but from there everyone's going, it's so vast now.

00:34:52.000 And he does a leg in guillotine.

00:34:56.000 Arm in guillotine.

00:34:57.000 I've seen it.

00:34:58.000 I've seen it.

00:34:59.000 It's the craziest.

00:35:02.000 Where is he grabbing it?

00:35:03.000 There's only like four guys on the planet that could do this.

00:35:05.000 It's incredible.

00:35:08.000 How is he grabbing it?

00:35:11.000 That's a good question.

00:35:12.000 I've never done it.

00:35:13.000 I know how to do it, but I don't have the flexibility for it.

00:35:17.000 People think that I'm super flexible.

00:35:20.000 I'm like, I'm not that flexible.

00:35:21.000 I'm pretty flexible, but I'm not that flexible.

00:35:24.000 I just use it a lot.

00:35:25.000 So it appears that I'm really flexible because I'm always using it.

00:35:29.000 But a lot of people can do what I do and way beyond as well.

00:35:32.000 Ben Eddy, his flexibility is insane.

00:35:35.000 He had a single match with Wilson Hayes.

00:35:39.000 Put him in his guard, and he tapped him with a dead orchard.

00:35:42.000 You know, I have a problem with people when it comes to the subject of flexibility.

00:35:47.000 Because I feel like there's this conversation that people have when it comes to flexibility.

00:35:50.000 They say you can only get so flexible.

00:35:53.000 That's not true.

00:35:55.000 I don't agree with it either.

00:35:56.000 I think there's like attention and focus to stretching that some people just don't want to give.

00:36:03.000 What I want to know, though, is...

00:36:05.000 To get to the contortionist level.

00:36:07.000 Can anybody get to the contortionist level?

00:36:09.000 Can you train someone to do those crazy...

00:36:12.000 You know when people, like, they bend their back all the way back and they get into, like, a scorpion? 1.00

00:36:17.000 You trying to suck your own dick? 1.00

00:36:20.000 Maybe. 1.00

00:36:21.000 Why you gotta bring up old shit? 1.00

00:36:27.000 I saw a video once where a guy did that. 1.00

00:36:29.000 It's exactly what he did.

00:36:30.000 He was a contortionist.

00:36:31.000 Can anybody train to be a contortionist?

00:36:35.000 That's what I want to know.

00:36:35.000 I'd like to see before and after type vlogs.

00:36:39.000 Like get Joey Diaz on it?

00:36:40.000 I don't know about being a contortionist.

00:36:42.000 I don't know that everyone can go that far.

00:36:44.000 But all you need to play rubber guard is to get into Full Lotus.

00:36:48.000 And anybody can do that.

00:36:50.000 Unless you have metal plates in your hips or something.

00:36:54.000 Contortionists are skilled at stretching their bodies into different shapes, mostly due to their spinal flexibility and strength.

00:37:00.000 You may think that you need to be born flexible or double-jointed to become a contortionist, but in fact, with enough practice and stretching, you can learn basic contortion movements.

00:37:10.000 Hmm, I feel like stretching is one of those things where people just aren't willing to Dig in and really like feel that that That like borderline edge every day.

00:37:20.000 They don't like that feeling it hurts It's uncomfortable like certain stretches like it's hard to breathe like we do hamstring stretches.

00:37:27.000 It's like it's hard to breathe Yeah, yeah, but you know some I think That everyone is born flexible.

00:37:36.000 I think all babies can get into Full Lotus. 0.97

00:37:39.000 I just think that some people keep using it and some people don't.

00:37:43.000 I always thought, because people would ask me, why are you flexible?

00:37:47.000 And I just thought, I thought it was because...

00:37:49.000 I was super insecure as a child, and I still am.

00:37:53.000 But I would put my legs behind my head to like, you know, like, this is my trick.

00:37:57.000 Right, right.

00:37:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:58.000 So I thought that's why I'm flexible, because I was always trying to show off by putting my legs behind my head.

00:38:04.000 Maybe it is.

00:38:05.000 But when you think about it, I didn't show off like all the time.

00:38:08.000 Yeah, but you just do it a few times.

00:38:11.000 But then...

00:38:14.000 My mom came over the house once and saw my son biting his own toenails.

00:38:18.000 He goes, oh, look just like you when you were a kid.

00:38:22.000 And then I thought, oh, that's right.

00:38:24.000 I used to trim my, even like at 10, 11, 12, I used to trim my toenails with my mouth.

00:38:29.000 Ugh! 0.97

00:38:31.000 You do that too?

00:38:32.000 Jamie, you do that too? 0.90

00:38:33.000 You couple of freak toe suckers? 1.00

00:38:35.000 I don't do it anymore, but as a kid, I did it all the time.

00:38:38.000 Even with dirt.

00:38:39.000 I would bite the dirt.

00:38:41.000 You know when you bite the toenail off, but it has dirt, and you could feel the crunch in the teeth?

00:38:48.000 It's my foot.

00:38:49.000 It's just dirt.

00:38:50.000 It's true.

00:38:51.000 It's your foot.

00:38:52.000 I've done it with my fingernails.

00:38:54.000 Why am I so prejudiced about my toes?

00:38:56.000 What if my feet are clean?

00:38:58.000 But to do the Hindulo team, like Benetti, you have to... 0.98

00:39:01.000 I mean, when I come back after my surgery, I'm going to have knee surgery.

00:39:06.000 Who are you going to get your knee surgery with?

00:39:09.000 Do you have a doctor?

00:39:11.000 We'll talk about it afterwards.

00:39:12.000 I've got some options for you.

00:39:14.000 I do have a doctor.

00:39:16.000 You do?

00:39:16.000 Okay, cool.

00:39:17.000 Dr. Ron in Beverly Hills.

00:39:18.000 He's a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.

00:39:21.000 Or Dr. Rob, is it?

00:39:24.000 Better go to the right door.

00:39:25.000 Yeah.

00:39:25.000 Let me see.

00:39:26.000 Is this the hindu latine?

00:39:27.000 Here it is.

00:39:28.000 Yeah.

00:39:29.000 Check out what he's doing.

00:39:32.000 Around the back of the head.

00:39:33.000 Oh, wow.

00:39:41.000 So he goes like right over his ankle.

00:39:44.000 That's Hindu control. 1.00

00:39:46.000 A few people are just listening.

00:39:47.000 He's got his leg wrapped over the back of his opponent's head, and then he's wrapped his arm around the ankle area, and he's going all the way around the dude's head and under the chin.

00:39:56.000 My little T-Rex arms couldn't do that, dude.

00:39:58.000 I don't have enough real estate.

00:40:00.000 I don't think I could get in there.

00:40:02.000 I'd have to really compress someone.

00:40:04.000 Did he go through it yet?

00:40:04.000 He's doing it right now.

00:40:06.000 This is something I think that people should watch, though.

00:40:08.000 Look at that.

00:40:10.000 He's done it twice in an EBI. Wow.

00:40:12.000 In one show.

00:40:14.000 That's crazy.

00:40:16.000 Look at him work.

00:40:17.000 So we're watching him set this exact thing up that he was just talking about.

00:40:22.000 Wow, that's awesome.

00:40:24.000 But yeah, he's going to fight for the belt, the EBI combat jiu-jitsu belt that is currently held by Nick Holmstein.

00:40:32.000 He's fighting Ben Eddy at the next EBI at the Muscle Farm HQ in Burbank.

00:40:38.000 You heard about that?

00:40:39.000 Yeah.

00:40:40.000 I heard Muscle Farm move to Burbank, right?

00:40:42.000 Why did they decide to do that?

00:40:44.000 The CEO is from LA. He just wanted it here.

00:40:47.000 Dude, they were in 5,500 feet above sea level before in a city.

00:40:52.000 That's a pretty rare thing to have.

00:40:54.000 Like, to be at a mile...

00:40:55.000 Like, Denver's very unusual in that you are at high altitude, but you have a badass city.

00:41:01.000 You know?

00:41:02.000 They should have stayed in Denver. 1.00

00:41:04.000 You fucked up, kids! 1.00

00:41:05.000 But it's awesome, dude. 1.00

00:41:06.000 The facility is incredible.

00:41:08.000 It's awesome.

00:41:08.000 They throw a fuckload of money at that stuff.

00:41:11.000 So far, they had a fight-to-win show there.

00:41:13.000 That was awesome.

00:41:14.000 That was like maybe three weeks ago.

00:41:16.000 It was awesome.

00:41:18.000 The place is spectacular.

00:41:20.000 So we're doing a show there Saturday, February 17th, EBI 15. Gio's in it.

00:41:26.000 Eddie Cummings is in it.

00:41:27.000 Eddie Cummings is the champion.

00:41:29.000 Gio's in it.

00:41:30.000 So Eddie Cummings came back from a bunch of surgeries, right? 0.99

00:41:33.000 Didn't he have some shit go wrong? 0.98

00:41:35.000 Or a bunch of injuries? 0.99

00:41:37.000 He's been hurt a couple times.

00:41:39.000 It's normal though.

00:41:41.000 Yeah.

00:41:42.000 Especially his style, right?

00:41:44.000 And you gotta think, he's constantly training with all those Donaher, death squad, leg lock masters who are going after each other every day.

00:41:50.000 Yeah.

00:41:51.000 Testing their meniscus.

00:41:52.000 Yeah.

00:41:52.000 Yikes.

00:41:53.000 Yeah.

00:41:54.000 Leg locks scare the shit out of people. 0.80

00:41:56.000 Hell yeah. 0.89

00:41:57.000 Hell yeah.

00:41:58.000 They should.

00:41:59.000 Dude, but back to that Rafael Dos Anjos fight.

00:42:01.000 I just can't believe how good that dude looks at 170 pounds.

00:42:04.000 He looks like...

00:42:06.000 Like, top 10 pound for pound in the world, for sure.

00:42:08.000 Like, dude, the combinations he was landing on Robbie Lawler? 1.00

00:42:12.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:42:14.000 He looked so goddamn good. 1.00

00:42:15.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:42:16.000 Crazy.

00:42:17.000 Yeah.

00:42:17.000 And think this guy was making $150.

00:42:22.000 Making 154, you know?

00:42:25.000 155. He still looks like a small welterweight, though.

00:42:29.000 He could add some more muscle, I think.

00:42:31.000 Because some of those guys at 170 are monsters.

00:42:33.000 Like Darren Till.

00:42:34.000 Huge. 1.00

00:42:35.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:42:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:36.000 But he kicks so hard. 1.00

00:42:38.000 I think the kicks are going to always...

00:42:40.000 He's always going to be in the game, even if he's smaller.

00:42:43.000 His kicks are so hard. 0.99

00:42:45.000 He's fast as shit, too, man. 0.99

00:42:46.000 And his combinations are beautiful. 0.99

00:42:48.000 And he's just super dedicated.

00:42:50.000 Like, Hopfell Dos Anjos is very disciplined, very driven.

00:42:53.000 You ever see some of his plyometric workouts that he does?

00:42:57.000 No.

00:42:58.000 He was with Nick Kurson from Speed of Sport.

00:43:01.000 I know he's done some work with other people too, but he did a lot of it with Nick Kurson.

00:43:05.000 And Nick Kurson's from the Marinovich camp, you know?

00:43:11.000 Remember when BJ Penn was trained by the Marinovichs? 0.98

00:43:14.000 So he's doing like this kind of shit, like pushing up on all these bars, a lot of foot strength drills, a lot of stuff where they're doing jumps over hurdles and, you know, those horses. 0.97

00:43:27.000 What are those called? 0.99

00:43:28.000 Hurdles, right?

00:43:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:30.000 He just does a lot of plyometric type shit. 0.98

00:43:33.000 That right there, that is hardcore. 0.99

00:43:34.000 Yeah.

00:43:35.000 That's working your abs, you're working your feet.

00:43:38.000 He's lying on his back and he's kicking up on these things.

00:43:41.000 It would give you like the ultimate upkick too.

00:43:43.000 But the idea is just that you're...

00:43:45.000 Put in these compromising positions, off balance all the time, and you're doing a lot of different plyometric drills.

00:43:51.000 He doesn't believe too much in like regular weightlifting type activity. 0.98

00:43:55.000 Everything is like sport specific, plyometric type shit. 0.92

00:43:58.000 But what I'm always super impressed with is his endurance. 0.97

00:44:02.000 Dude, he fought at a crazy pace.

00:44:07.000 Cormier and John Anik were going, man, I wonder if he's going to burn himself out.

00:44:11.000 I already knew the result before I watched it.

00:44:13.000 I got to watch it after the fact.

00:44:14.000 I didn't watch it live.

00:44:16.000 But watching it, I was like, man, I see why they would think that he might have burnt himself out, because it's crazy, the volume.

00:44:23.000 Just so skillful, too, man.

00:44:25.000 It was like he was picking his shots.

00:44:27.000 You know, he'd go head, head, body, body, head, head, body, head, body, head.

00:44:31.000 It was all, like, creative and constantly attacking.

00:44:34.000 And Robbie Lawler's just rolling with it.

00:44:36.000 It's like, defensively and offensively, it's a very impressive scene.

00:44:41.000 Because Robbie Lawler's hurt.

00:44:43.000 He can't move his leg good.

00:44:44.000 His leg's been chopped up, so he's kind of stationary. 0.98

00:44:47.000 And Dos Anjos is just moving in for the kill and throwing bombs on him.

00:44:52.000 And Robbie Lawler is just rolling with everything. 0.94

00:44:54.000 He's taking a lot of them in the body, but he's rolling with everything.

00:44:59.000 It's hard to hit him clean.

00:45:00.000 And he's right in front of him in the middle of the fight.

00:45:02.000 In the middle of this exchange, Robbie Lawler is smiling.

00:45:04.000 Yeah.

00:45:06.000 Crazy, right?

00:45:07.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 Can't walk.

00:45:09.000 Like, barely can move.

00:45:10.000 He's getting his leg kicked out from under him.

00:45:12.000 He's fighting a guy who's just like a wolverine.

00:45:15.000 I mean, just on him, attacking.

00:45:17.000 And Robbie Lawler's smiling. 0.99

00:45:18.000 But he did pull it out of his ass against Melvin Mann, who... 1.00

00:45:23.000 Fuck yeah, he did. 1.00

00:45:24.000 Woo! 1.00

00:45:25.000 Can we see that?

00:45:26.000 Yeah.

00:45:26.000 Remember he was getting...

00:45:27.000 It was, um...

00:45:29.000 Elite XC? Or was it Strikeforce?

00:45:31.000 Strikeforce.

00:45:32.000 Strikeforce.

00:45:32.000 He was getting beat down by Melvin Manhoof.

00:45:35.000 Yeah.

00:45:35.000 And then one shot, boom.

00:45:37.000 Yeah.

00:45:38.000 He always had that chance.

00:45:39.000 Right to the very end, he had that chance.

00:45:41.000 Yep.

00:45:42.000 Yeah, the Melvin Manhoof one, too, was at 185. That was a bigger Robbie.

00:45:47.000 Remember?

00:45:47.000 He fought Tim Kennedy at 185. He fought a couple good guys at 185. He fought Jake Shields.

00:45:54.000 Remember Jake Shields tapped him at 185?

00:45:56.000 Oh.

00:45:57.000 Oh, boom! 0.88

00:45:58.000 Go back a little so we can see the beginning.

00:46:00.000 He's getting his leg kicked all over.

00:46:02.000 Look how much bigger he looks back then. 1.00

00:46:04.000 And Melvin moves in for the kill and Robbie hits him with a fucking hit maker. 1.00

00:46:08.000 I mean, boom! 1.00

00:46:10.000 And then follows up with a left hand that stiffened him.

00:46:13.000 I mean, that's like one of the all-time Strikeforce KOs.

00:46:17.000 Maybe one of the all-time MMA KOs. 0.99

00:46:19.000 Because he's getting his ass kicked. 0.99

00:46:20.000 He's moving away. 1.00

00:46:23.000 And then he steps in and here it goes!

00:46:28.000 Man!

00:46:31.000 He's getting his legs kicked out from under him.

00:46:33.000 Here it is.

00:46:34.000 Bam! 0.98

00:46:36.000 Crazy.

00:46:37.000 And you see Melvin's body just shut off.

00:46:39.000 Is he still fighting?

00:46:40.000 Yeah.

00:46:41.000 And maybe he could fight in the UFC now.

00:46:43.000 No, he's had a lot of KOs, man.

00:46:45.000 I think he's fighting for Bellator right now.

00:46:48.000 He's been KO'd quite a few times recently.

00:46:52.000 That's one of those guys that never got into the UFC. No, almost, man.

00:46:55.000 I mean, maybe he could put some wins together and get back in the UFC and get in the UFC for the first time.

00:47:00.000 But he's, you know, I gotta think he's like 37 now.

00:47:03.000 How old is Melvin Manhoff?

00:47:07.000 It's going to be...

00:47:08.000 I don't know, man.

00:47:10.000 I think he's got to be 36, 37. 41?

00:47:14.000 Yeah.

00:47:15.000 What's his biggest MMA win?

00:47:17.000 MMA, Mark Hunt, One Punch. 0.99

00:47:19.000 Damn. 0.99

00:47:20.000 He KO'd Mark Hunt with one punch. 1.00

00:47:22.000 Mark Hunt charged at him.

00:47:23.000 Mark Hunt was like 260. And I don't think anybody ever stopped Mark like that before.

00:47:28.000 And Melvin clipped him with an uppercut coming in.

00:47:31.000 He's like 190?

00:47:33.000 Maybe.

00:47:33.000 Yeah, maybe 200. So at the very least, he was like 60 pounds lighter.

00:47:40.000 At the very least. 1.00

00:47:42.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:47:43.000 Knocked him out with one punch. 1.00

00:47:44.000 Remember when he fought Sakuraba?

00:47:46.000 Soccer kick, Sakuraba? 0.86

00:47:48.000 It was one of Sakuraba's most terrifying losses.

00:47:50.000 Most terrifying.

00:47:51.000 Melvin. 0.98

00:47:51.000 Melvin fucked him up, dude. 0.98

00:47:53.000 I know it happened, but I don't remember it. 0.93

00:47:57.000 Pull that.

00:47:58.000 Pull up Melvin Manhove vs.

00:48:00.000 Sakuraba.

00:48:01.000 This was hard for me to watch because it was Sakuraba who had fought Vanderlei.

00:48:05.000 Twice he'd been KO'd by Vanderlei.

00:48:08.000 He fought a lot of guys and he had gotten beat up quite a bit.

00:48:11.000 You were seeing like the demise of In my opinion, one of the most charismatic guys from that generation.

00:48:17.000 I didn't know a word that guy said.

00:48:19.000 Never heard him speak English in any long sentences, but I knew he had charisma.

00:48:25.000 Just by the way he fought, the way he handled himself.

00:48:28.000 Remember when he wore diapers? 0.96

00:48:29.000 Yeah, he was crazy.

00:48:30.000 Oh my god, look how big Melvin is.

00:48:31.000 He's on all the steroids. 0.99

00:48:35.000 They did not give a fuck back then, man. 0.99

00:48:38.000 They let these guys... 1.00

00:48:39.000 Look how jacked he is! 1.00

00:48:41.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:48:43.000 Melvin Manhoff had one of the scariest bodies of all time, for sure, right? 1.00

00:48:47.000 Hell yeah.

00:48:47.000 Look at him.

00:48:48.000 I mean, dude, he's jacked. 0.99

00:48:50.000 And he was so fucking fast. 0.99

00:48:54.000 It's just like any old warrior. 0.94

00:48:56.000 He's just had a lot of fights and this is where he's at now.

00:49:00.000 Look how high his hands are.

00:49:02.000 Sakuraba never held his hands high like that before.

00:49:04.000 Very dangerous.

00:49:05.000 And look at Melvin just waiting.

00:49:07.000 He'd always have his hands low.

00:49:08.000 Remember that?

00:49:08.000 Yep.

00:49:09.000 Not against Melvin, man.

00:49:10.000 Especially not at this point in his career. 0.99

00:49:12.000 And how about Sakuraba's fucking knees, man? 1.00

00:49:15.000 That wasn't just for show. 0.99

00:49:16.000 His knees were basically falling apart on him.

00:49:19.000 So he had to wrap them up in the most insane mummy-like way late on in his career.

00:49:25.000 Well, people forget Sakuraba beat Vitor.

00:49:29.000 Sakuraba broke Henzo's arm.

00:49:31.000 Remember that?

00:49:31.000 Yep.

00:49:32.000 Dude.

00:49:32.000 I commentated that fight.

00:49:34.000 That's right.

00:49:35.000 You worked for Pride back then.

00:49:37.000 Yeah.

00:49:39.000 Look at the size of Melvin.

00:49:41.000 He just looks like a coil.

00:49:43.000 Look at that. 0.92

00:49:44.000 Head kick.

00:49:44.000 Right hand.

00:49:45.000 Boom! 0.99

00:49:47.000 Oh my god.

00:49:48.000 Boom! 0.99

00:49:49.000 Passes the guard.

00:49:50.000 Boom! 0.99

00:49:53.000 This is one of the hardest ones to watch.

00:49:56.000 Here's the knee.

00:49:56.000 Knee to the head.

00:49:57.000 Now he's gonna move him to the side and try with the soccer kick.

00:50:00.000 Boom! 0.99

00:50:01.000 Right hand.

00:50:01.000 How'd they not stop this fight, right?

00:50:03.000 How'd they not stop this fight?

00:50:06.000 Boom! 0.99

00:50:07.000 Because it was Sakuraba and you wanted to give him a chance.

00:50:09.000 That leg drag to the right hand?

00:50:11.000 There it is.

00:50:11.000 Bam, bam, bam.

00:50:13.000 So I thought he soccer kicked him in the head on the ground.

00:50:16.000 I had erroneous memories.

00:50:18.000 I could have swore he soccer kicked him in the head, but really he was kneeing him in the head.

00:50:23.000 Somebody soccer kicked him in the head.

00:50:25.000 He had another...

00:50:26.000 I think that's Vanderlei.

00:50:27.000 I think you might be right.

00:50:29.000 Vanderlei definitely did it to Mora, right?

00:50:31.000 Remember he held the rope and stomped him?

00:50:34.000 Remember that one?

00:50:35.000 He KO. He dropped him.

00:50:37.000 Tamora went down.

00:50:38.000 He grabs the rope and stomps his head.

00:50:40.000 It's rough.

00:50:41.000 It's rough to watch.

00:50:43.000 I remember Vanderlei was mounting Dan Henderson and then just stood up and tried to stomp on his face.

00:50:50.000 Oh, that's right.

00:50:51.000 And walk away.

00:50:52.000 Yeah.

00:50:52.000 Remember that?

00:50:53.000 Yeah.

00:50:54.000 I don't know if he landed, though.

00:50:56.000 See if you fight Vanderlei KOs Tamora.

00:51:00.000 Did you get it?

00:51:04.000 Oh, this is...

00:51:07.000 Yeah, no, that's just Sakuraba trying to do that. 1.00

00:51:10.000 That was to Vitor, right?

00:51:11.000 Yeah.

00:51:11.000 Yeah, that was...

00:51:12.000 That Vitor is a Vitor that was in rough shape, though.

00:51:16.000 That was after his sister had gotten kidnapped and murdered, I believe.

00:51:21.000 Remember, Vitor was like a shell of himself for a long time after that.

00:51:25.000 I think he was in the UFC at that point.

00:51:28.000 I don't think so.

00:51:30.000 You might be right, though.

00:51:32.000 When he fought Sakuraba in Japan, is that what you're talking about?

00:51:35.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 Remember he threw a turning sidekick and dropped him?

00:51:37.000 Mm-hmm.

00:51:37.000 Yeah, he turned sidekick to the body.

00:51:39.000 Yeah, right to the body and dropped Vitor.

00:51:41.000 He just basically butt-scoot most of the match.

00:51:44.000 What's interesting, too, about Sakuraba is he had a catch-wrestling base.

00:51:49.000 You know, like, he...

00:51:50.000 He had some real submission skills and people didn't know in the beginning.

00:51:54.000 Remember his first fight in the UFC? He gets dropped by Conan Silveira.

00:51:58.000 Referee Big John McCarthy stops the fight and then realizes it was an error because he had dropped down for a knee, so they fight again.

00:52:03.000 Yeah.

00:52:04.000 Remember that?

00:52:04.000 Yep.

00:52:06.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:52:06.000 First time UFC was in Japan, right? 0.99

00:52:08.000 Dude, it was like, this is Sakuraba.

00:52:10.000 You need to fight again. 1.00

00:52:12.000 Let this shit go one more. 1.00

00:52:14.000 And then he catches him. 1.00

00:52:16.000 He tapped him with an arm bar and everybody was like, what?

00:52:19.000 A Bruce Haynes jiu-jitsu black belt got tapped?

00:52:21.000 We didn't even think it was possible.

00:52:23.000 Yeah.

00:52:24.000 We didn't think anybody, some guy who doesn't even have a black belt is going to tap.

00:52:27.000 Yeah, when Mario Sperry got tapped by Igor Zinoviev, remember that? 0.98

00:52:31.000 That was, we didn't know what to fucking think. 0.96

00:52:33.000 How can this be? 0.99

00:52:34.000 That was devastating for me.

00:52:36.000 How can this be?

00:52:38.000 How can this be?

00:52:39.000 There it is.

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 He reversed the Kimura on him and took the armbar.

00:52:44.000 Yeah, man, he got it right there. 0.70

00:52:47.000 Man, crazy.

00:52:49.000 Look how Jack Sakuraba was back then.

00:52:51.000 He was in great shape. 0.98

00:52:54.000 He's such a fucking awesome grappler. 0.97

00:52:56.000 And so important to the history of MMA. That guy was in some wild fights. 0.98

00:53:01.000 And some of them with people he had no business being in there with.

00:53:04.000 Just the wrong people.

00:53:05.000 Like Vanderlei.

00:53:06.000 That was just a terrible matchup.

00:53:08.000 You know how rare that is? 0.96

00:53:10.000 There's a lot of bad calls and a lot of fighters that get fucked from bad rough calls. 0.76

00:53:16.000 You can't ever do the fight over again. 0.88

00:53:19.000 You can't do the fight.

00:53:20.000 That was one of the only times.

00:53:22.000 It happened another time, too.

00:53:23.000 It happened when I commentated for Too Hot to Handle in Amsterdam.

00:53:28.000 I don't know if you remember that.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, I do remember that.

00:53:30.000 Back in 2001. It was Gilbert Ivel against...

00:53:36.000 Fuck. 0.99

00:53:38.000 I don't know who, I don't remember who it was, but Gilbert Ivo knocks this guy out, or standing TKO, they stop the fight, and then the guy's complaining to the ref. 0.99

00:53:49.000 Like, why did you stop it?

00:53:50.000 He's like, why did you stop it?

00:53:51.000 I was fine, but clearly he wasn't fine, but you gotta at least, you know, plead your case and make it look like you're fine.

00:53:58.000 Like, why didn't you stop it?

00:53:59.000 Why didn't you stop it?

00:53:59.000 Then the ref just said, you know what?

00:54:01.000 You ready to go?

00:54:02.000 Get back.

00:54:02.000 We're going to go again.

00:54:03.000 He put Gilbert in one corner, the other dude, and then once that guy, you see it in his face, once he realizes that the ref restarted the fight, he sinks back into the corner and goes, oh, shit. 1.00

00:54:17.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.99

00:54:19.000 And he gets knocked out again. 1.00

00:54:21.000 What did you put on here, Jamie?

00:54:22.000 It was it.

00:54:23.000 It was Don Fry.

00:54:24.000 Which one?

00:54:25.000 Oh, Gilbert Ivel?

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:28.000 Maybe this is another one.

00:54:29.000 Wait a minute, which fight are you talking about?

00:54:31.000 No, the restart?

00:54:32.000 No, no, no, no.

00:54:33.000 This was too hot.

00:54:34.000 Put Gilbert Ivel too hot to handle.

00:54:37.000 What happened to Don Fry?

00:54:38.000 Did he get poked in the eye or something?

00:54:39.000 Did he have a cut?

00:54:40.000 Like, why were they checking on him?

00:54:41.000 I don't remember what happened earlier in that fight.

00:54:43.000 I don't even remember what happened in that fight.

00:54:45.000 Gilbert Ivo versus Don Fry?

00:54:47.000 That sounds awesome.

00:54:48.000 Do you remember when Big Daddy Goodrich KO'd Don Fry with a head kick?

00:54:54.000 Gilbert Ivo KO'd Big Daddy Goodrich.

00:54:57.000 Yeah, and Big Daddy Goodrich KO'd Don Fry with a head kick. 0.55

00:55:01.000 This is Don Fry and Gilbert Ivo.

00:55:04.000 See if you can find Don Fry or Big Daddy Goodrich KO's Don Fry with a beautiful head kick.

00:55:12.000 On that card that I commentated, it was Pride 10, it was Sakurab and Henzo, that was the main event, but also it was Gilbert Ivo versus Gary Goodridge.

00:55:20.000 If you could find Gary Goodridge against Gilbert Ivo, it's a 10 second match.

00:55:26.000 And it's one kick, boom, he clips him, shuts him off.

00:55:29.000 Here's the Gary Goodridge, Don Frye one.

00:55:33.000 He hit him with a couple of leg kicks.

00:55:37.000 Big Daddy had one of the most brutal KOs ever in the history of the UFC, too.

00:55:41.000 Remember that from the fireman's carry? 1.00

00:55:43.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:55:44.000 Against Paul Herrera? 1.00

00:55:45.000 Yep.

00:55:46.000 That was the most brutal knockout probably in history.

00:55:49.000 It's one of them.

00:55:50.000 Boom! 0.99

00:55:50.000 Look at that. 0.99

00:55:51.000 I mean, come on. 1.00

00:55:52.000 Damn. 0.99

00:55:52.000 That's a beautiful head kick. 0.99

00:55:54.000 Over the shoulder.

00:55:55.000 He got one back.

00:55:56.000 Yeah, he did.

00:55:57.000 Well, that one that happened against him, he was out for like five minutes.

00:56:02.000 It was one of those.

00:56:03.000 And then he told me that When he woke up, he was standing in the ring, he thought he was in a rave in Toronto.

00:56:13.000 Because that's where he's from.

00:56:15.000 What if he was?

00:56:15.000 What if we're all living in parallel dimensions all around us all the time and one move left or right, one dream, one action propels you into the next door?

00:56:26.000 What if he was on death's door and they decided, look, he's gone from this dimension.

00:56:31.000 We're going to put him in a nightclub in Toronto and let his consciousness ride out this experience from here.

00:56:35.000 And he's back.

00:56:37.000 His sister was always with him.

00:56:39.000 She was a fitness chick. 1.00

00:56:41.000 She was jacked.

00:56:42.000 Crazy braids. 0.97

00:56:43.000 And he said when he woke up, he thought he was at a rave and he thought his sister was some chick he was macking on.

00:56:49.000 Oh my God, that's so crazy.

00:56:51.000 He had no idea it was his sister.

00:56:53.000 That's so crazy.

00:56:54.000 Yeah, that guy's had a long career, man.

00:56:59.000 Taking a lot of crazy fights.

00:57:03.000 So, do you think Dos Anjos is going to get a shot at Woodley now?

00:57:06.000 Yeah.

00:57:06.000 You would know better than I would.

00:57:08.000 I don't though.

00:57:09.000 I would think you would...

00:57:10.000 You don't get inside scoops anymore?

00:57:11.000 I do.

00:57:12.000 I'd have to ask though.

00:57:13.000 I feel like I shouldn't ask.

00:57:15.000 Why not?

00:57:15.000 Sometimes I get some inside info.

00:57:17.000 But the inside info I get, I can never talk about anyway.

00:57:20.000 But this one's a weird one, man.

00:57:21.000 Because he was a lightweight champion.

00:57:24.000 You know, loses the belt.

00:57:26.000 And then has looked insane as a welterweight.

00:57:29.000 And just beats the former champion, like outclasses him.

00:57:31.000 I think he stands out as the number one guy.

00:57:33.000 In terms of like guys...

00:57:35.000 Getting another shot at the title.

00:57:37.000 But Woodley apparently is going to get some sort of surgery now.

00:57:41.000 He needs shoulder surgery.

00:57:42.000 He's got like a torn labrum.

00:57:44.000 So if Tyron Woodley goes out and then they have to put an interim title fight in, I would like to see him versus somebody in an interim title fight.

00:57:51.000 Like, how about Rafael dos Anjos versus Colby Covington? 0.99

00:57:56.000 All the anti-Brazilian hate, all the shit that he said. 0.99

00:58:00.000 That'd be nice. 1.00

00:58:00.000 That would be crazy. 1.00

00:58:04.000 That would be crazy. 1.00

00:58:05.000 And it would be a big fight, you know, because of all the shit Colby talked. 0.99

00:58:10.000 You know, they only fined for Doom like 500 bucks for hitting him in the head with a boomerang. 0.99

00:58:14.000 600. 600. Fabricio's probably like, that is so worth it.

00:58:21.000 You get to hit somebody in the head with a boomerang on TV, you know?

00:58:25.000 Yeah, you know, the opposite of a fight like that, which would have a lot of hatred, is in Orlando, the UFC in Orlando, it's going to be Ben Saunders versus Alan Joban.

00:58:37.000 Well, that's hard.

00:58:38.000 Yeah, I'm staying away from that one.

00:58:40.000 That's going to be a hard one for me, too.

00:58:42.000 Yeah, I told them both not to take it, but the problem is they're on losing streaks and they can't be choosing.

00:58:51.000 And they did reach out and say, hey, man, we're both 10 planet, you know, can we find other opponents?

00:58:57.000 And they said, no.

00:58:59.000 So they both agreed to do it, and I'm staying out of that one.

00:59:03.000 Yeah.

00:59:04.000 Yeah, you can't corner anybody, right?

00:59:06.000 There's gonna be two friends fighting.

00:59:08.000 Are you gonna go to watch?

00:59:11.000 No.

00:59:11.000 I'm gonna watch on TV. I'm gonna stay completely out of it.

00:59:15.000 I was just gonna tell you, I like being there live, but I have the most fun when it's us. 0.90

00:59:19.000 When we do Fight Companions, we're all here drinking, smoking weed, talking crazy shit, having fun. 0.72

00:59:25.000 I've been to enough UFCs, man. 0.92

00:59:27.000 I'm like...

00:59:28.000 Yeah, you've been to a lot, that's for sure.

00:59:30.000 I'd rather watch it on my phone.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, I know what you mean.

00:59:33.000 Well, I don't like watching it on my phone, but I do like watching it at home.

00:59:36.000 I like watching boxing at home, too, man.

00:59:38.000 You know, it's like you get all the angles, you get to hear the commentary. 0.96

00:59:43.000 Roy Jones Jr. had some fucking amazing commentary this weekend. 0.90

00:59:48.000 On boxing, it's so interesting. 1.00

00:59:51.000 It's hearing a guy like Roy Jones who points shit out. 0.86

00:59:54.000 I forget the two dudes that were fighting. 0.98

00:59:56.000 There was an Irish guy.

00:59:59.000 There were two guys that I never heard of.

01:00:00.000 I think one of them was Williams, the other one was O'Sullivan or something like that. 0.60

01:00:04.000 I didn't know who they were and I was waiting for the main event and I was watching this dude and Roy Jones was pointing out all the shit that he was doing with his jab He's like he's staying right there after he throws a jab He's gonna get hit with counters and then you see boom the counter start dropping on him and the guy was getting hit was the guy was favored He was like it's a really hot prospect And Roy just starts pointing out all the shit he's doing.

01:00:27.000 He's like, he's playing tough guy now. 0.80

01:00:28.000 He goes, I don't want to see you play tough guy.

01:00:30.000 He goes, I want to see you boxing.

01:00:31.000 He goes, you don't want to find out who the toughest guy is.

01:00:33.000 He goes, you want to find out who the best boxer is.

01:00:35.000 These guys are just trying to break each other now.

01:00:36.000 He totally called it.

01:00:38.000 And you see the guy starting to wilt shots to the body. 0.98

01:00:40.000 It was really interesting to watch like a world champion, top of the food chain, one of the greatest of all time, boxers, see some shit that you're not going to see, you know? 0.92

01:00:51.000 Like, he sees vulnerabilities that you don't see. 0.58

01:00:53.000 Are there any high-level boxers that are openly talking about transitioning to MMA? Do you know?

01:01:00.000 Not that I know of.

01:01:02.000 I think Anthony Jacobs has joked about it.

01:01:05.000 You know, the heavyweight champion?

01:01:07.000 Or Joshua.

01:01:08.000 Anthony Joshua.

01:01:09.000 Why do I call him Anthony Jacobs?

01:01:11.000 Anthony Joshua was his name, right?

01:01:13.000 Jesus Christ.

01:01:14.000 You know, Klitschko used to be a kickboxer.

01:01:16.000 You know that?

01:01:17.000 His brother especially.

01:01:19.000 I think his brother was like a world champion PKA karate style kickboxer.

01:01:23.000 But none that I know of, man.

01:01:28.000 Floyd talked about it, apparently.

01:01:29.000 This is one thing I can tell you.

01:01:30.000 Dana told me that Floyd wants to make a deal in the UFC. Legitimately.

01:01:35.000 So I texted him.

01:01:36.000 I go, is Floyd really talking about fighting MMA? He goes, yeah, he's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:01:40.000 I told him he'd get killed, but he's still talking about doing it. 1.00

01:01:44.000 Hmm. 0.97

01:01:44.000 Whoa. 0.97

01:01:45.000 Farras Ahabi teases GSP versus Mayweather or McGregor as next fight.

01:01:50.000 We need a mega fight. 0.59

01:01:51.000 Okay, let me just stop this nonsense right there.

01:01:54.000 GSP just fought at 185 pounds. 1.00

01:01:57.000 If you fucking really think that Floyd Mayweather is gonna fight GSP, shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:02:04.000 Just stop. 1.00

01:02:05.000 Just stop it.

01:02:07.000 Floyd Mayweather is gonna be like, pass.

01:02:10.000 That guy's huge.

01:02:12.000 GSP is so big.

01:02:14.000 It would have to be like Jose Aldo or something.

01:02:16.000 You'd have to get GSP to die it down to 155 and he would be so depleted and making 155, Floyd would light him up like a Christmas tree.

01:02:23.000 If Floyd didn't light him up like a Christmas tree anyway, I mean, they're going to fight in MMA, he gets smushed.

01:02:29.000 100%.

01:02:30.000 There's no way to stop him.

01:02:31.000 McGregor would never fight 185 GSP. No, no way.

01:02:34.000 But they might fight at 170 if the money was right.

01:02:38.000 McGregor won't take it.

01:02:38.000 I don't know about that, man.

01:02:40.000 That could be a mega, mega fight.

01:02:42.000 That could be a $20 million fight.

01:02:44.000 Conor might want an extra $20.

01:02:45.000 Spend a lot of money on Versace. 1.00

01:02:47.000 He's always wearing furs and shit. 0.99

01:02:49.000 Fly it around in private jets. 1.00

01:02:51.000 That shit's pricey, man. 1.00

01:02:52.000 What is the latest with McGregor? 1.00

01:02:54.000 What's going on today?

01:02:55.000 Hashtag ballin'.

01:02:56.000 That's what's going on.

01:02:57.000 Is that what he tweets?

01:02:58.000 Yeah, he's on top of the world, man.

01:03:00.000 Look, that guy, let him enjoy this.

01:03:03.000 He's got plenty of time to come back to fighting.

01:03:06.000 Just have fun, man.

01:03:08.000 Stare at your watches. 1.00

01:03:09.000 Take Instagram pictures of your dick. 1.00

01:03:11.000 Who cares? 1.00

01:03:12.000 You're the fucking man. 1.00

01:03:14.000 You made a hundred million dollars. 1.00

01:03:15.000 You're not even thirty.

01:03:17.000 Relax. 1.00

01:03:17.000 Do whatever the fuck you want. 1.00

01:03:19.000 No need to force him to come back and fight. 0.98

01:03:21.000 But if he does come back and fight, if he thinks an MMA fight with GSP is a good idea, that's a big guy.

01:03:30.000 He's very big.

01:03:31.000 George St. Pierre is one of the best fighters of all time. 0.97

01:03:34.000 He's so fucking good at grappling. 0.98

01:03:37.000 But! 1.00

01:03:37.000 Conor might go, fuck it. 1.00

01:03:39.000 No. 1.00

01:03:39.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:03:39.000 Give me a couple months to put some weight on. 1.00

01:03:42.000 That's not a good fight for him.

01:03:44.000 But if that's where all the money is, who knows?

01:03:46.000 I think Tony Ferguson is the fight.

01:03:49.000 That's the fight I want to see now.

01:03:50.000 Of course.

01:03:51.000 Until I see what happens with Barboza and Nurmagomedov, right?

01:03:55.000 The problem is, if Barboza and Nurmagomedov fight and Nurmagomedov smashes Barboza, He's got to be next in line for the title fight, right?

01:04:06.000 No.

01:04:07.000 You don't think so?

01:04:08.000 Connor's not fighting.

01:04:09.000 Tony is the...

01:04:10.000 Oh, oh, but...

01:04:11.000 Connor's not fighting.

01:04:12.000 Yeah, well, then he has to vacate, right?

01:04:14.000 What does it say here?

01:04:15.000 Sorted rounds tonight at SGBBG Ireland.

01:04:22.000 He's training.

01:04:23.000 I mean, he's definitely not fat.

01:04:25.000 You look at him there, he's in shape for sure.

01:04:27.000 I mean, but he might just be working on his skills.

01:04:29.000 He's got a hundred million dollars.

01:04:32.000 I would not be mad at a world fight if they decided to, like, strip him of his belt and have Tony versus Khabib for the undisputed title.

01:04:42.000 I wouldn't be mad at that.

01:04:44.000 Yeah, that will probably happen.

01:04:45.000 I would not be mad at that.

01:04:46.000 I like that fight.

01:04:48.000 Tony's so fun.

01:04:49.000 He's so wild to watch, man.

01:04:51.000 You know, like when he was fighting Kevin Lee and he's walking towards him with his hands down and just pot-shotting him and slowly wearing on him, slowly chipping him away.

01:04:59.000 And then to finish him off his back?

01:05:01.000 Come on, man.

01:05:02.000 That's sweet.

01:05:03.000 How many people get finished off their back these days?

01:05:05.000 There was a lot of sweet things that he came up with right there.

01:05:10.000 There's different ways you can get up off your back with the cage, like basic wall walking and stuff like that.

01:05:16.000 But you can't wall walk on everybody.

01:05:18.000 It all depends on where your level of wall walking is and how good is your opponent at countering that.

01:05:27.000 What did you think when Kevin Lee walked in with the obvious staph infection on his chest?

01:05:30.000 Did you notice it?

01:05:31.000 I was like, cool.

01:05:33.000 I hope he's weak.

01:05:39.000 They asked Tony, did you notice his staff? 0.95

01:05:42.000 He goes, yeah, I was trying to punch it.

01:05:47.000 But the way Tony got up off the cage, when Kevin Lee put him up against the cage, he actually can openered him from the bottom in full guard.

01:05:56.000 So Tony's head was against the cage.

01:05:59.000 And Kevin Lee's head was right here.

01:06:01.000 So he basically did a Muay Thai clinch can opener from the bottom.

01:06:05.000 So he couldn't get hit.

01:06:07.000 And then he had his left foot on the hip and his right leg was just around his ribs.

01:06:12.000 And then at the right time, Kevin was naturally trying to pull out because he was holding him in.

01:06:18.000 He couldn't hit him.

01:06:18.000 He was safe against the cage.

01:06:20.000 And then Tony put both feet on the hips, pushed him up, kicked up, and then just stood up.

01:06:26.000 It was brilliant.

01:06:27.000 Like, wow.

01:06:28.000 We're gonna be doing that one.

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:30.000 I mean, Kevin Lee couldn't do anything.

01:06:32.000 He had him exactly where he wanted him.

01:06:34.000 Against the cage, on his back, head pressed against the fence, but he couldn't do anything because Tony did a can opener on him.

01:06:42.000 No one does that.

01:06:43.000 I know.

01:06:43.000 He's an interesting guy, man.

01:06:45.000 That was the first time he ever did that, and it worked.

01:06:47.000 It's crazy.

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:47.000 It was perfect.

01:06:48.000 What do you think about Francis Ngannou and Alistair Overeem? 0.97

01:06:52.000 How ridiculous was that? 0.95

01:06:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:54.000 How fucking scary is that guy? 0.99

01:06:56.000 How many times has Alistair been KO'd? 0.99

01:06:58.000 We did it on a podcast once I broke it down.

01:07:01.000 It was something like 13 KOs in MMA and then another three in kickboxing.

01:07:08.000 The ones in kickboxing seem so much more brutal.

01:07:11.000 I don't know.

01:07:12.000 Not more brutal than that last one.

01:07:15.000 That last one is as brutal as anything I've ever seen.

01:07:17.000 He got launched into another dimension.

01:07:19.000 I'm not a giant kickboxing fan.

01:07:22.000 I mean, really, I never watch kickboxing.

01:07:24.000 But if it's on, I'll watch it.

01:07:26.000 Remember when we went to see Glory in L.A., though? 1.00

01:07:29.000 That was the shit. 1.00

01:07:30.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:07:31.000 But I'm not following it.

01:07:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:34.000 I don't know who the hell is winning.

01:07:36.000 I have no idea.

01:07:37.000 Zero idea.

01:07:38.000 But when I do watch it, every now and then I'll watch a K-1, you do notice... 0.97

01:07:43.000 That they hit a lot motherfucking harder. 0.96

01:07:45.000 The leg kicks and the push. 1.00

01:07:47.000 I'm like, fuck! 1.00

01:07:49.000 This is some other kind of shit. 1.00

01:07:51.000 You could visibly see it after watching so much MMA and then go watch them kickboxing. 1.00

01:07:56.000 You'll see how hard they fucking kick. 0.99

01:07:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:58.000 There's some serious kicking going on. 0.99

01:08:00.000 Well, you see it now with Gokhan Saki.

01:08:02.000 Now that Gokhan Saki's in the UFC, you know, I was watching...

01:08:07.000 Where's he from?

01:08:08.000 Turkey.

01:08:08.000 Turkish Tyson.

01:08:10.000 He's ridiculous. 0.99

01:08:12.000 I mean, he's a brutal knockout artist in K-1, in glory. 0.99

01:08:16.000 To see that dude fighting in the UFC, you see these crazy kicks. 0.89

01:08:20.000 Ridiculous power.

01:08:22.000 You see kickboxers transitioning to MMA, but you don't see professional boxers transitioning to MMA. It's too hard. 0.74

01:08:28.000 Without the leg kicks, your whole striking thing is so different. 0.99

01:08:32.000 You've got to think about those goddamn leg kicks. 0.99

01:08:34.000 I mean, some guys are going to be able to make it. 0.99

01:08:36.000 It's not impossible.

01:08:37.000 All they have to do is be super dedicated, but they have to have a motivation.

01:08:40.000 And right now, the motivation in boxing is, you know, if you get to a high level, you could be a world champion, you make a shitload of money.

01:08:46.000 And there's a lot of money at the highest levels of boxing.

01:08:50.000 But...

01:08:51.000 Even at the highest levels of boxing, like, you have to have some name value.

01:08:56.000 Like, they did a Gennady Golovkin pay-per-view, and it got, like, 150,000 buys.

01:09:01.000 And didn't they say that Ward Kovalev was, like, really low as well?

01:09:05.000 One of the best fights ever.

01:09:06.000 Ward Kovalev, too.

01:09:08.000 Andre Ward stopped Andre Kovalev. 0.99

01:09:10.000 Fucking amazing fight. 0.99

01:09:11.000 Sergey Kovalev, rather. 0.99

01:09:13.000 And I think it only got, like, 160-something.

01:09:16.000 150. 125,000 pay-per-view buys.

01:09:19.000 That's crazy.

01:09:20.000 So those guys aren't making shit loads of money for that. 0.97

01:09:22.000 But then you have Mayweather.

01:09:24.000 It's crazy, right?

01:09:25.000 Yeah.

01:09:25.000 It's incredible.

01:09:26.000 Yeah, but to do your sport, if you're a really good boxer, you probably have more of a chance of making it as a top flight boxer than you do of learning all that other shit while you're already 29. You've got to learn how to check leg kicks now?

01:09:42.000 Okay, you've got to change your stance.

01:09:43.000 Do you know how to take people down?

01:09:45.000 You don't?

01:09:45.000 You've got to learn that.

01:09:46.000 You've got to learn how to get taken down?

01:09:48.000 Okay.

01:09:48.000 You've got to learn how to stand back up.

01:09:49.000 You've got to learn how to defend submissions.

01:09:51.000 You've got to learn how to execute submissions.

01:09:52.000 That could take seven years.

01:09:55.000 It could take forever.

01:09:56.000 Whereas a kickboxer, it's a little different.

01:10:00.000 If you get Mirko Krokop, when you fought Vandele Silva, he was fighting one of the top guys almost right away.

01:10:07.000 Because he was so scary on the feet and they made some crazy rules.

01:10:09.000 Remember those crazy rules?

01:10:10.000 Like you can only be on the ground for 30 seconds?

01:10:12.000 I don't remember those rules.

01:10:14.000 They had a crazy rule with Vanderlei vs.

01:10:17.000 Krokop.

01:10:17.000 The first one.

01:10:18.000 First Vanderlei vs.

01:10:19.000 Krokop.

01:10:20.000 I don't remember those rules.

01:10:20.000 A bunch of wacky rules, man.

01:10:22.000 Like you go to the ground, you can only go to the ground for like 30 seconds, and if the fight, if no one won at the end of the fight, it was a draw.

01:10:30.000 So it was real weird, man.

01:10:32.000 It's like Krokop didn't know really how to stop takedowns as well back then.

01:10:36.000 And, you know, he's just trying to get off his kicks.

01:10:38.000 And he got off a bunch of kicks.

01:10:39.000 But then they fought again.

01:10:40.000 And they fought again later when Krokop had figured out the takedown defense game.

01:10:44.000 And it was one of the worst KOs of Vanderlei's career. 0.98

01:10:47.000 Krokop fucking clanged him upside the head with that left shin. 0.97

01:10:50.000 Remember that one? 0.99

01:10:51.000 He opened up a giant gash on Vanderlei's head.

01:10:53.000 So Vanderlei goes down.

01:10:55.000 Like literally, he was an axe murderer.

01:10:57.000 That was his nickname.

01:10:58.000 The axe murderer literally went down like he got hit in the head with an axe.

01:11:02.000 Blood pouring down his head.

01:11:04.000 That was one of the all-time great Mirko Krokop head kick knockouts.

01:11:09.000 Was it Mirko Krokop, I'm pretty sure it was, who fought that guy in Japan who wore a wrestling mask?

01:11:15.000 Yeah, Dos Karos.

01:11:16.000 Yes, he clipped him on the head and you just see the blood pouring out of his eye socket.

01:11:21.000 Yeah, dude.

01:11:22.000 Dude.

01:11:23.000 The eye-opening.

01:11:23.000 Wasn't that when he was fighting with shoes on, too?

01:11:26.000 He fought a bunch of those with wrestling shoes on.

01:11:28.000 They let Mirko head kick people with wrestling shoes on.

01:11:31.000 Yeah.

01:11:35.000 I know he fought Mark Hunt with wrestling shoes on.

01:11:37.000 He head kicked Mark Hunt with wrestling shoes on.

01:11:39.000 How about Pete Williams head kicked Mark Coleman with wrestling shoes?

01:11:42.000 Yes, he did.

01:11:43.000 Yes, he did.

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:45.000 That's crazy.

01:11:46.000 A lot of people wore wrestling shoes back then.

01:11:48.000 It's an interesting argument.

01:11:49.000 Like, what's worse to get in your eye? 0.99

01:11:51.000 A toe in your eye or fucking wrestling shoes? 0.99

01:11:55.000 Wrestling shoes are so much better for traction, though. 1.00

01:11:57.000 Look at him there.

01:11:58.000 Boom! 1.00

01:11:59.000 With fucking tape on his shit. 1.00

01:12:01.000 Nobody took a punch or a kick ever as good as Mark Hunt, which is why it's even crazier that Melvin knocked him out. 1.00

01:12:07.000 Look at that.

01:12:08.000 Boom! 0.99

01:12:09.000 Right over the top.

01:12:11.000 And Mark Hunt still in it, throwing bombs. 0.65

01:12:14.000 What a savage.

01:12:16.000 So Ngannou now is gonna fight Stipe.

01:12:19.000 What do you think of that?

01:12:22.000 That's a tough one to call.

01:12:24.000 That's an interesting fight, though, isn't it?

01:12:26.000 Steepo was on your podcast.

01:12:27.000 What did he say?

01:12:29.000 Well, he's pretty confident.

01:12:30.000 That's what he says.

01:12:31.000 But I would say that, too. 0.99

01:12:33.000 But that dude, Ngannou, is like a character from a fucking Conan book. 0.99

01:12:40.000 You know? 0.99

01:12:41.000 Like, somebody brought this up online.

01:12:43.000 Like how Conan, when he was young, they made him push that wheel, and that's how he got so strong.

01:12:50.000 Francis Ngannou was working in a sand mine.

01:12:53.000 He was digging sand when he was a young guy. 0.98

01:12:58.000 Like, that literally might have had an effect on how fucking powerful and strong he is. 0.93

01:13:02.000 It really might be like an epic fantasy novel. 0.97

01:13:06.000 Like, he's like, if you were gonna go into a lab and design a perfect heavyweight, you'd say, want him about 6'4", 265, maybe a little heavier as to cut a little bit, maybe 269, cuts down to 265, crazy freak athleticism, fastest shit for heavyweight, knock anybody dead with one punch. 0.71

01:13:27.000 People are like, you're asking for too much. 0.91

01:13:28.000 Yeah.

01:13:29.000 Heavyweights don't move that fast.

01:13:30.000 They get tired real quick.

01:13:32.000 Not everyone can knock you out with one punch.

01:13:33.000 Is he from France?

01:13:34.000 He was originally from Cameroon, I think.

01:13:39.000 Is that right?

01:13:40.000 Yeah.

01:13:40.000 And then France after that.

01:13:42.000 Dude, he was...

01:13:42.000 Look at this.

01:13:43.000 It was grueling and dangerous work spending hours shoveling sand into the backs of trucks so it could be shipped to big cities for use in construction.

01:13:50.000 Sometimes we would stand all day in water up to his shins, scooping sand out of the riverbed.

01:13:55.000 Other days we spent at the bottom of a steep quarry where large chunks of earth often broke free from the high cliffs and tumbled down onto workers. 1.00

01:14:03.000 Fuck, man, that's a movie. 0.99

01:14:05.000 That's like... 1.00

01:14:06.000 The beginning of a movie right there.

01:14:08.000 You want to talk about that Drake song?

01:14:09.000 Started from the bottom that way here.

01:14:11.000 Yeah.

01:14:12.000 I mean, he really started from the bottom.

01:14:14.000 Yeah.

01:14:15.000 I mean, he was there.

01:14:16.000 He was homeless in France just like six years ago, five years ago.

01:14:20.000 Did you know that?

01:14:21.000 No.

01:14:22.000 Dude!

01:14:23.000 He was homeless in France.

01:14:25.000 What's the story?

01:14:25.000 How did he get into MMA? He was in Africa, and he had decided that he was going to take a trip to Europe, and he wanted to get away from where he was.

01:14:37.000 And he decides to go there.

01:14:40.000 He doesn't exactly know what he's doing, and somehow or another he makes his way into a gym because he wanted to learn how to box.

01:14:45.000 And he made his way into an MMA gym, and the coach was like, look, you should try MMA. Like, you know, like you could really get good at this and he realizes the guy's a sponge.

01:14:54.000 Learns shit ridiculously quick. 0.97

01:14:56.000 You look at him in his first UFC fight versus now with Curtis Blades. 0.99

01:15:00.000 Watch the Curtis Blades fight and then watch him now.

01:15:03.000 That's only two years ago, man.

01:15:05.000 It's only two years ago and but his improvement is insane.

01:15:08.000 He just knocked out with one punch one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers ever.

01:15:15.000 Alistair Overeem was a K-1 Grand Prix champion.

01:15:19.000 Strikeforce heavyweight champion.

01:15:21.000 Dream heavyweight champion.

01:15:23.000 You don't get any more experience than Alistair Overeem.

01:15:26.000 Fought for the title, right?

01:15:28.000 One punch.

01:15:29.000 First round.

01:15:30.000 Boom! 0.99

01:15:31.000 It is a little late in his career, though.

01:15:32.000 It is.

01:15:33.000 Good point, but still.

01:15:35.000 Has anybody gone the distance with him, or is he knocking everybody out?

01:15:38.000 No, he lost one fight.

01:15:41.000 I think he lost a decision.

01:15:44.000 I think.

01:15:45.000 Like an early fight in his career.

01:15:48.000 And then I think Anthony Hamilton, he submitted him with a Kimura.

01:15:53.000 He submitted someone with a Kimura.

01:15:55.000 I think it was Hamilton.

01:15:57.000 Is that correct?

01:15:59.000 Let's see.

01:15:59.000 Anthony Hamilton, yeah.

01:16:00.000 He submitted Anthony Hamilton with Kimura.

01:16:03.000 KO'd Orlovsky.

01:16:04.000 KO'd Overeem. 0.81

01:16:05.000 KO'd the KO'd of Bojan Mihovic was a crazy one, man.

01:16:11.000 He was just dropping bombs on him.

01:16:13.000 Curtis Blades was before that.

01:16:15.000 He TKO'd him.

01:16:16.000 Dr. Stoppage.

01:16:17.000 Luis Enrique was before that.

01:16:19.000 That was the first time I ever saw him, and I was like, Jesus!

01:16:23.000 But, uh...

01:16:24.000 It looks like decision unanimous against a dude named Zumanasise.

01:16:30.000 C-I-S-S-E. Zumanasise? 1.00

01:16:33.000 What a great name.

01:16:34.000 Dude, his first fight he won by armbar.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, straight armbar.

01:16:38.000 He's got an arm-crangle choke.

01:16:40.000 He's got a standing guillotine choke submission.

01:16:43.000 And he's got one submission in the UFC by Kimura.

01:16:46.000 He's working with Vinny Magalese, you know.

01:16:48.000 I didn't know that. 0.99

01:16:49.000 Yeah, Vinny Magalese says he's so fucking strong. 0.97

01:16:51.000 He says he's the strongest guy I've ever rolled with. 0.98

01:16:53.000 I did not know that.

01:16:54.000 Yeah.

01:16:54.000 He's in Vegas now.

01:16:55.000 Yep.

01:16:56.000 He's at the UFC Training Institute.

01:16:57.000 Dude, they got him over there like Rocky IV. It's crazy.

01:17:00.000 Damn. 1.00

01:17:01.000 Like, he's Drago? 0.99

01:17:02.000 He's at the Performance Institute.

01:17:02.000 Yeah.

01:17:03.000 He's, like, literally...

01:17:04.000 I mean, think about this, right?

01:17:06.000 You got a guy who's arguably one of the best physical specimens we've ever seen in the heavyweight division.

01:17:13.000 Like, right.

01:17:14.000 You can't think of someone who's more impressive than him physically, right?

01:17:19.000 Yeah.

01:17:19.000 Then you have a guy who just gives up his whole life for this.

01:17:23.000 Like, he just moved from France to Vegas. 0.99

01:17:25.000 Then the UFC puts him in this fucking state-of-the-art laboratory, this performance institute, where they've got all kinds of crazy shit in there. 0.99

01:17:35.000 I mean, they have therapists and food. 0.99

01:17:37.000 They have all these strength and conditioning coaches.

01:17:39.000 I mean, these guys are starting to do their camps down there. 0.99

01:17:42.000 They're going there, and they're like, holy shit! 0.99

01:17:44.000 Like, this place is insane! 0.98

01:17:46.000 You know, Novitski was telling me all the different services they offer and all the different things they do for the athletes. 0.98

01:17:50.000 For them, it's fucking amazing.

01:17:53.000 All these top flight coaches are there training with him. 0.95

01:17:55.000 So you got this amazing facility, opens, right?

01:17:58.000 He's like one of the first guys there.

01:18:00.000 He's like one of the first guys to do his camps there.

01:18:03.000 Moves from France to Vegas.

01:18:05.000 Brings his coach.

01:18:08.000 And he's just ready to smash the world.

01:18:10.000 Dude, it's like a movie.

01:18:11.000 Yeah.

01:18:12.000 Homeless.

01:18:13.000 Homeless guy. 0.90

01:18:14.000 Walks into a gym.

01:18:16.000 Six years later, UFC. Hopefully he doesn't get...

01:18:19.000 Top of the food chain.

01:18:19.000 Fight for the title.

01:18:20.000 Hopefully he doesn't start doing ecstasy and start going to raves.

01:18:26.000 I know, right?

01:18:27.000 You gotta keep him from getting too crazy.

01:18:30.000 I mean, because, well, first of all, he's got to get past Stipe.

01:18:33.000 And Stipe's going to be the first real wrestler that he's ever faced.

01:18:36.000 That's a big deal.

01:18:37.000 You know, it's whether or not Stipe can take him to the ground.

01:18:40.000 That's a big question.

01:18:41.000 Curtis Blade's actually a very good wrestler, too.

01:18:44.000 Stipe's gonna try to take him down you think?

01:18:45.000 I would imagine there's gonna be a lot of everything.

01:18:48.000 I was gonna I'm gonna imagine that fight you're not gonna be able to really dictate entirely where everything takes place.

01:18:53.000 I don't know too much about Stipe on the ground.

01:18:55.000 He's not usually on the ground, right?

01:18:57.000 Not usually on the ground, but he's a very good wrestler.

01:18:59.000 Wrestled in college?

01:19:00.000 Yeah, yeah, I think I think he's 20-plus pounds lighter, though.

01:19:06.000 Like, he's about 240. Does he have submission wins on his record?

01:19:09.000 That's a good question.

01:19:10.000 I've never seen him win by submission.

01:19:12.000 I've only seen him win by knockout or decision.

01:19:14.000 See if you can go to Stipe's record.

01:19:19.000 Yeah, I mean, he's got to know everything.

01:19:22.000 The question is...

01:19:25.000 Does he know?

01:19:26.000 Is he strong enough?

01:19:27.000 Is his wrestling good enough to close the distance?

01:19:30.000 What does he got here?

01:19:31.000 Any submissions?

01:19:32.000 TKO? KO? KO? TKO? It's mostly TKOs and KOs.

01:19:36.000 Dude, he has fucked a lot of people up. 0.98

01:19:38.000 One submission by leg kicks, though. 0.98

01:19:40.000 That doesn't count.

01:19:41.000 That means a guy tapped out from leg kicks.

01:19:43.000 Stefan Struve beat him?

01:19:45.000 KO'd him.

01:19:47.000 Yeah, TKO'd him somewhere in Europe, I think it was.

01:19:50.000 Nottingham.

01:19:51.000 Nottingham, England.

01:19:52.000 Yeah, man.

01:19:56.000 Beat Mark Hunt by TKO. Orlovsky by TKO. Fabrizio Verdun by KO. Overeem, KO. Junior Dos Santos, TKO. That's a fucking hell of a win streak right there, man.

01:20:08.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:20:08.000 He's no joke, man. 1.00

01:20:09.000 The Fabio Maldonado one was scary.

01:20:11.000 Remember that fight?

01:20:12.000 Fabio took that.

01:20:14.000 He was supposed to be fighting someone else.

01:20:16.000 And Fabio took that fight in Brazil as a heavyweight.

01:20:21.000 How did it go down?

01:20:22.000 I don't remember.

01:20:22.000 Smashed him.

01:20:23.000 Stipe was just way too big.

01:20:25.000 Just way too big.

01:20:26.000 Just smashed him. 0.97

01:20:28.000 Knocked him out. 0.83

01:20:29.000 Same way he knocked.

01:20:30.000 There it is.

01:20:30.000 Boom.

01:20:31.000 That's him and Struve.

01:20:32.000 Here's him and Maldonado.

01:20:33.000 Yeah, let that go.

01:20:36.000 This was, I mean, Stevie right now is in his prime for sure, but this was a good example of that.

01:20:41.000 Oh, it's just a lot of his fights.

01:20:45.000 He's a tough guy, man.

01:20:46.000 He takes a good shot, and he's a good wrestler.

01:20:48.000 He's strong.

01:20:50.000 He likes to ground and pound.

01:20:51.000 Yeah, he's just gonna have to figure out a way to deal with the extreme physical advantages that Francis Ngannou has.

01:20:59.000 When does that fight go down?

01:21:00.000 That is Boston, January 20th. 1.00

01:21:02.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:21:04.000 Damn. 1.00

01:21:04.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:21:06.000 Dum-dum-dum. 1.00

01:21:07.000 That's also Volkan Ozdemir and Daniel Cormier are on that card, too.

01:21:12.000 That's interesting.

01:21:13.000 Ozdemir has KO'd two really good guys in a row.

01:21:16.000 Misha Sukarnov in one round, and then he just KO'd Jimmy Manoa in one round. 0.99

01:21:21.000 He hits fucking hard. 0.99

01:21:25.000 Russian? 1.00

01:21:26.000 I don't think so.

01:21:27.000 It says Switzerland.

01:21:28.000 Yeah.

01:21:29.000 Vulcan?

01:21:29.000 Sounds like a Vulcan.

01:21:33.000 But that's an interesting fight, too. 0.99

01:21:35.000 That's a good fucking card, man. 0.98

01:21:38.000 Stipe and Francis Ngannou. 1.00

01:21:39.000 So scary!

01:21:41.000 What's the latest with Jon Jones?

01:21:43.000 I don't know, man.

01:21:44.000 I don't think they've reached any sort of conclusion.

01:21:46.000 I don't know if they have some sort of an excuse.

01:21:50.000 I don't know when the trial is.

01:21:52.000 I think it's got to be sometime coming up soon, but it hasn't been in the news.

01:21:56.000 See if you can find out when the trial is.

01:21:59.000 It's going to be interesting to see what they say or what they think it could be.

01:22:04.000 Did I tell you the craziest rumor about it?

01:22:06.000 Talked about it on the podcast before.

01:22:08.000 The craziest rumor was, everybody knows John likes to party.

01:22:10.000 I'm not throwing him under the bus.

01:22:12.000 I mean, he's even joked around. 0.99

01:22:13.000 He said to DC, when DC was talking shit, he's like, I beat you after I did cocaine. 0.99

01:22:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:22:19.000 I mean, which was fucking hilarious, but the craziest rumor was that they cut creatine with cocaine. 0.94

01:22:27.000 It's one of the things they cut cocaine with, and that they used some cheap Chinese creatine that was steroid-tainted. 0.96

01:22:34.000 Which is apparently very common.

01:22:36.000 Apparently, there's a lot of creatines and different things you take.

01:22:39.000 They have trace amounts of steroids that'll show up in a test. 0.98

01:22:42.000 Because the same vats, they make that shit in, they make steroids in, they make everything in. 0.99

01:22:47.000 They're making them in China, these really shitty bulk places. 1.00

01:22:49.000 And you'll occasionally get tainted supplements. 0.97

01:22:52.000 Happens all the time.

01:22:52.000 Maybe they were purposely tainted.

01:22:54.000 That could happen too.

01:22:55.000 We talked about that.

01:22:56.000 The greatest creatine ever. 1.00

01:22:58.000 Like, dude, this shit yokes me out. 1.00

01:23:00.000 Ha ha! 1.00

01:23:02.000 Yeah, right?

01:23:03.000 Yeah, probably.

01:23:04.000 Maybe that's just the way to sell steroids. 0.97

01:23:06.000 You just sell creatine.

01:23:08.000 What's interesting, it says California State Athletic Commission, right?

01:23:11.000 Because it was in California.

01:23:12.000 So who gets to decide?

01:23:16.000 California gets to decide?

01:23:18.000 Is that how it works?

01:23:19.000 Because it's the California State Athletic Commission, so they apparently get to decide what happens in its future.

01:23:26.000 Oh, USADA. USADA. If found guilty this time, he faces up to a four-year ban.

01:23:31.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:23:32.000 What's the minimum, though? 0.99

01:23:34.000 I don't know.

01:23:35.000 I mean, it really depends on whether or not he's got an actual excuse. 0.99

01:23:37.000 If he could get that fucking dealer to get him some coke, and it's got the steroids in it. 0.99

01:23:45.000 The problem is you would only have a decent excuse. 1.00

01:23:49.000 You wouldn't be exonerated.

01:23:53.000 There would still be some sort of a penalty.

01:23:55.000 Wait a minute.

01:23:56.000 Did you say in China they're cutting creatine with coke or with steroids?

01:24:00.000 They're using creatine.

01:24:02.000 To cut cocaine. 0.98

01:24:04.000 So if you buy cocaine, say if you got a kilo of cocaine, you want to stretch that shit out, make it a kilo and a quarter. 0.98

01:24:09.000 Oh, I got the thing, bro. 1.00

01:24:11.000 Super fucking muscle dick cretine. 1.00

01:24:13.000 And super muscle dick creatine has some steroids in it. 1.00

01:24:16.000 And so when they're cutting this cocaine with this creatine that has steroids in it, he's snorting the coke.

01:24:23.000 This is he not meeting John Jones, a person.

01:24:26.000 I'm making this up, right? 0.98

01:24:28.000 I don't know what the fuck happened. 0.98

01:24:29.000 This is not true? 0.99

01:24:29.000 No, no, no. 0.99

01:24:30.000 This could be true.

01:24:31.000 The rumor is that this has been shown to test positive.

01:24:34.000 That he did coke and it had creatine in it and the creatine had steroids in it.

01:24:38.000 The rumor is that is what people think could be a possibility.

01:24:42.000 Because if John likes to party, and we know John likes to party, it is entirely possible that he might have partied.

01:24:49.000 And that he might have just had a little bit of that.

01:24:52.000 And in that was this creatine.

01:24:54.000 Because, like, if you think about it, they're cutting it with all kinds of different stuff, right? 0.97

01:24:57.000 They cut it with, I mean, I'm not a cocaine doctor, but I've got to imagine they take some white shit that looks like coke and you can make more coke, right? 0.99

01:25:05.000 That's what the cutting is, right? 0.99

01:25:07.000 Yeah.

01:25:07.000 But to cut it with creatine?

01:25:09.000 Apparently it's common.

01:25:10.000 We looked it up.

01:25:11.000 We actually Googled it.

01:25:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:25:13.000 Damn. 1.00

01:25:14.000 I thought you were saying that he was taking creatine and it was tainted with steroids. 0.99

01:25:19.000 That's what I thought.

01:25:19.000 No.

01:25:19.000 See, that would be better for him.

01:25:21.000 If that was the case, that would be good. 0.99

01:25:23.000 Because that way you could take that creatine to USADA and you'd have to have it on a list of shit you were taking. 0.94

01:25:28.000 You'd say, look, it just says it's creatine. 0.99

01:25:30.000 It's all I took.

01:25:31.000 And they tested. 0.99

01:25:32.000 They're like, oh shit, this does have steroids in it. 0.99

01:25:34.000 And then they'll go and find another one that's from the same vat. 0.99

01:25:38.000 They can find the vat numbers, I guess.

01:25:40.000 They'll find one independently, hopefully from a store.

01:25:42.000 And if they test that, if they find a trace amount of steroids in that.

01:25:45.000 And that's what got...

01:25:48.000 Dirty bird.

01:25:49.000 Tim Means, he got off for that. 0.99

01:25:51.000 That's how he got off. 0.98

01:25:52.000 He didn't take any steroids, just took some fucking over-the-counter normal supplement that wasn't supposed to have steroids in it. 0.98

01:25:57.000 And then he tested positive. 0.99

01:26:00.000 He was stunned.

01:26:01.000 And if you look at Tim, he even lifts weights.

01:26:04.000 He doesn't remotely look like a guy who uses steroids.

01:26:07.000 And they tested the stuff that they found just randomly in the store, and that tested positive.

01:26:11.000 So he only got a short amount of a suspension.

01:26:14.000 Yeah, it was pretty quick like six months or something like that, which even then if you didn't do anything wrong, why would you get six months?

01:26:20.000 And so you're saying that the steroids are in creatine on accident, not like they're not doing it on purpose, right?

01:26:27.000 No.

01:26:28.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:26:29.000 This is just speculation, right?

01:26:30.000 All I'm hearing, I'm hearing a rumor, right?

01:26:32.000 But the speculation is That these labs, where they make creatine, they also make a gang of other things, right? 0.96

01:26:42.000 They'll cook up some steroids for you, whatever the fuck the order is, right? 0.56

01:26:45.000 And they're not cleaning those vats out right. 0.58

01:26:47.000 So if they're just pouring another bag, and they pour out the steroids, and they pour a bag of creatine in there for the next batch, and they're mixing everything up, it's entirely possible that trace amounts of those steroids are getting into that stuff.

01:27:00.000 When we first started doing AlphaBrain, we had...

01:27:04.000 Some of the early versions tested, and when we got the stuff mixed from a place, the place didn't do a very good job of cleaning out their equipment.

01:27:13.000 We had vitamins in our alpha brain that weren't in there.

01:27:17.000 We had some stuff that's not supposed to be in there.

01:27:19.000 So when we tested and we found trace amounts, we had to switch what we were doing.

01:27:22.000 We had to change how we have the things manufactured. 0.95

01:27:25.000 That's a super common thing when you're dealing with these overseas laboratories that are making all your shit together. 1.00

01:27:31.000 So that's one possibility. 0.99

01:27:33.000 Another possibility that I've said before that a lot of people say I'm fucking crazy. 0.96

01:27:37.000 Somebody could have given him something. 1.00

01:27:38.000 Somebody could have given him something to fuck with him. 1.00

01:27:40.000 Somebody could have not liked him. 1.00

01:27:42.000 Somebody could have done that too.

01:27:43.000 I'm not saying that's what happened, but I'm saying you have to take into consideration all the possibilities.

01:27:48.000 If John is telling the truth and he's totally stunned by this, there's a lot of different possibilities.

01:27:54.000 And one of them could easily be somebody giving it to him.

01:27:58.000 It also could be that he took steroids.

01:27:59.000 That's possible, too.

01:28:00.000 I don't know.

01:28:01.000 If you owned a creatine company, you'd kind of want your creatine to be.

01:28:04.000 You guys are making steroids there, too, right?

01:28:07.000 Okay, cool.

01:28:08.000 Can we use the same vats?

01:28:11.000 And then you could always just say, hey, you know what?

01:28:13.000 I don't know.

01:28:14.000 It's true. 0.99

01:28:16.000 Yeah, you know, they do that with those dick pills, apparently. 1.00

01:28:19.000 Those gas station dick pills, they have, like, generic Viagra in them. 0.99

01:28:23.000 That's why they work so well. 0.99

01:28:25.000 Oh, no, no, they just use the same vats.

01:28:27.000 Your Honor, we didn't know that they use the same vats.

01:28:31.000 Yeah, they do that, and they also put steroids in those things, too. 1.00

01:28:34.000 Do you know Brian Redband was the first one to call that John Jones had taken dick pills, and that's why he tested positive? 0.94

01:28:41.000 Redband put it together in his head because he does coke. 1.00

01:28:43.000 He's like, look, you do coke your dick doesn't work. 1.00

01:28:44.000 Your dick doesn't work, you take those gas station dick pills. 1.00

01:28:47.000 He probably took one of those pills. 1.00

01:28:48.000 He goes, I take those pills and feel like a fucking animal. 1.00

01:28:50.000 He's like, I feel like I've got steroids in me. 1.00

01:28:52.000 I'm like, really? 1.00

01:28:53.000 He goes, yeah, you get real aggressive, your dick is hard as a fucking piece of metal. 1.00

01:28:57.000 I'm like, okay, alright. 1.00

01:28:59.000 Turned out he's right.

01:29:01.000 That's crazy.

01:29:03.000 And it was the same thing with Anderson Silva. 0.99

01:29:05.000 When Anderson Silva tested positive, it was from some sort of Chinese dick pill stuff. 0.97

01:29:10.000 And they found it and they tested it. 0.97

01:29:12.000 Red Band does coke?

01:29:14.000 He's done it.

01:29:15.000 He doesn't do it all the time.

01:29:16.000 But he's done it.

01:29:17.000 So he knows what it's like to party.

01:29:19.000 And that's what he was saying.

01:29:19.000 He's like, I know what it's like if you're partying.

01:29:21.000 He's like, your dick doesn't work. 1.00

01:29:22.000 He's like, he parties, right? 1.00

01:29:23.000 Well, he probably did.

01:29:25.000 Because he tested positive for coke.

01:29:26.000 He's like, he probably does that.

01:29:27.000 Red Band totally nailed it.

01:29:28.000 Or maybe he was doing ecstasy.

01:29:30.000 People take Viagra on ecstasy, you know?

01:29:32.000 Yeah.

01:29:33.000 Could be that too.

01:29:34.000 It's happened.

01:29:34.000 Yeah.

01:29:35.000 Look, he's a wild motherfucker and he likes to party. 1.00

01:29:38.000 The question is, did he actually take a steroid with the intention to cheat? 1.00

01:29:44.000 That's what we don't know.

01:29:45.000 He says he didn't.

01:29:46.000 I wish there was a way that you 100% could tell someone was lying.

01:29:50.000 100%.

01:29:50.000 You watch that Black Mirror episode where everything's being videotaped with their contact lenses.

01:29:55.000 Yes.

01:29:56.000 So they're just like reviewing everything they've said.

01:29:58.000 Yeah.

01:29:59.000 That freaked me out.

01:30:00.000 That's coming.

01:30:01.000 If we don't have artificial intelligence that takes over the world before then, that's coming.

01:30:05.000 You're going to be able to record. 0.99

01:30:07.000 You're going to have some fucking chip that you put in the back of your head that's going to store all the stuff directly from your nervous system. 0.99

01:30:14.000 You're going to be able to review it in HD. Dude, the moment they can give you eyes that work better than your eyes. 1.00

01:30:21.000 You have an artificial disc, right?

01:30:23.000 Think of that.

01:30:24.000 I saw a dude who got attacked by a shark, and he had no arm and no leg.

01:30:27.000 But here he was with a carbon fiber arm and a carbon fiber leg, and he's walking around.

01:30:31.000 If you didn't know, you would never know.

01:30:34.000 Like, from the knee down, he was missing his leg.

01:30:37.000 And from the middle of his, like, bicep area, he had a fake arm.

01:30:42.000 He should do MMA. Just knock the...

01:30:43.000 Fuck out of people. 1.00

01:30:44.000 He'd probably kill people. 1.00

01:30:45.000 Just punch holes right through their chest. 1.00

01:30:47.000 You could leg lock them all day. 1.00

01:30:48.000 Would that be legal?

01:30:49.000 Would the California Athletic Commission let someone fight with a cyborg arm?

01:30:55.000 No.

01:30:55.000 No chance.

01:30:56.000 They'd have to start another league with just amputees with cyborg arms. 0.99

01:31:00.000 Well, you remember that dude?

01:31:00.000 Was his name Nick Newell?

01:31:01.000 He used to fight.

01:31:02.000 He had one arm.

01:31:03.000 Remember?

01:31:03.000 Yeah.

01:31:05.000 He was born with a stump on one side and he put a glove on the stump.

01:31:08.000 Yeah, I think that, man...

01:31:12.000 It's entirely possible that in our lifetime they're gonna have better parts.

01:31:15.000 For sure, for sure.

01:31:17.000 Than what we have.

01:31:17.000 And once girls start preferring that, like they only date dudes with like cyborg legs, you know what I mean?

01:31:23.000 They like that machine. 1.00

01:31:24.000 Dudes are gonna start chopping off their fucking legs. 1.00

01:31:26.000 The first guy that cuts his own eyes out for robot eyes. 1.00

01:31:29.000 That's gonna be crazy shit. 1.00

01:31:31.000 It's gonna happen. 0.99

01:31:32.000 Yeah, there's Nick.

01:31:34.000 Yeah, it's gonna be...

01:31:36.000 There's gonna be no chance that anybody's gonna want to be normal.

01:31:40.000 Like, yeah, I'd just rather fade away and get fat and be like my dad.

01:31:44.000 How about you get cyborg legs and you could run like 40 miles an hour?

01:31:48.000 Yeah, you could jump over buildings.

01:31:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:50.000 People would chop their fucking legs off for sure. 1.00

01:31:54.000 Imagine you got some Iron Man legs, like literally you could jump over a building. 1.00

01:31:59.000 First of all, just stop and think about living in the year 1500 and someone somehow or another takes you to a place and shows you a Hayabusa motorcycle. 0.98

01:32:12.000 He'd be like, what the fuck is that? 0.93

01:32:14.000 Oh, this thing? 0.99

01:32:15.000 It's just, you lie on that.

01:32:17.000 It goes zero to 60 in less than two seconds. 0.99

01:32:20.000 He'd just fucking... 0.99

01:32:20.000 You would never believe that could be real. 0.99

01:32:25.000 You could take someone from the 1700s, the 1800s, even the 1900s.

01:32:29.000 Maybe the 1900s they would kind of get it because they had bicycles.

01:32:32.000 But if you go back like a thousand years ago and show someone a motorcycle, they'd be absolutely convinced there's no way that could exist.

01:32:39.000 It can't be real.

01:32:41.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.99

01:32:42.000 I think if you go a thousand years from now, it's gonna be the same shit with our bodies. 0.99

01:32:47.000 We're gonna have ridiculous capabilities, and it'll look just like a regular body. 0.96

01:32:52.000 There'll be some sort of like bulletproof carbon fiber skin that'll look just like regular skin. 0.99

01:32:57.000 You'll be able to jump over the fucking buildings. 0.99

01:33:01.000 100%. 1.00

01:33:01.000 Just iron fists. 1.00

01:33:03.000 Yeah.

01:33:04.000 Just cut out.

01:33:04.000 I'm just gonna lose my hand.

01:33:05.000 Well, you know what, bro?

01:33:06.000 My hand's been shrinking.

01:33:07.000 I don't know what it is.

01:33:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:09.000 People are just...

01:33:09.000 Powerful Jamie with the phone on.

01:33:11.000 When's the last time you had your phone on?

01:33:15.000 That's weird.

01:33:17.000 Yeah, there's going to be times where there's no need to, like, oh, you broke your arm.

01:33:21.000 Here's the good news.

01:33:22.000 The recovery time is even less if we give you a fake arm.

01:33:25.000 You'll be like, really?

01:33:26.000 Yeah, what do you want? 1.00

01:33:26.000 Wait six weeks while your fucking arm heals? 1.00

01:33:29.000 And then your arm can, what, break again? 1.00

01:33:31.000 We'll give you a fake arm.

01:33:32.000 Mom, I don't know what to do.

01:33:33.000 Get a fake arm.

01:33:35.000 I love my fake arms.

01:33:37.000 Everyone's going to be just a robot.

01:33:38.000 Like Steve Austin.

01:33:40.000 Remember that?

01:33:41.000 Six Million Dollar Man?

01:33:42.000 Yep.

01:33:43.000 Bionic Legs? 0.98

01:33:44.000 Remember the Bigfoot episode?

01:33:45.000 The best episode ever. 0.98

01:33:48.000 TV shows back then were garbage. 0.97

01:33:52.000 Oh my god. 0.96

01:33:53.000 Just think about all the TV shows from the 70s. 1.00

01:33:55.000 All of them were garbage. 0.98

01:33:59.000 Compare that to a Netflix show. 1.00

01:34:02.000 Compare that to Game of Thrones.

01:34:03.000 Yeah.

01:34:04.000 Or Black Mirror. 0.52

01:34:06.000 Or Black Mirror. 0.90

01:34:07.000 They did have one shitty episode. 0.78

01:34:09.000 They were just knocking...

01:34:10.000 It was just like a...

01:34:11.000 They were pitching a shutout.

01:34:13.000 I've only seen three episodes.

01:34:15.000 The one where...

01:34:16.000 Because it's all based on what life is going to be like in 10 years or something.

01:34:20.000 Like a little bit in the future, you know?

01:34:22.000 And that one episode where everyone's just...

01:34:26.000 Raiding each other all the time.

01:34:28.000 You know what I'm talking about?

01:34:29.000 They're just...

01:34:29.000 It's happening now, though.

01:34:30.000 It's called Nosedive.

01:34:32.000 What's happening?

01:34:33.000 It's happening.

01:34:33.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:34:34.000 I get it that it's happening, but that episode is kind of like...

01:34:38.000 I mean, compared to the other episodes...

01:34:39.000 Did you see the one with the video game where the guy...

01:34:41.000 They put a little thing in the back of his head?

01:34:44.000 Yes.

01:34:44.000 And he doesn't know when the game's on and when it's off?

01:34:47.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:34:48.000 That was a tough one. 1.00

01:34:49.000 How about the one where the dude catches his wife, he figures out that she's cheating on him?

01:34:56.000 Yeah.

01:34:57.000 His acting, whoever that actor is, his acting, that was a...

01:35:03.000 An amazing episode, man.

01:35:04.000 Yeah, they're intense, man.

01:35:06.000 And the writing was so good.

01:35:07.000 Like the dude with the husband.

01:35:09.000 Hold on a second.

01:35:10.000 A social credit app seen in Black Mirror is becoming reality in China.

01:35:14.000 Whoa.

01:35:15.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

01:35:16.000 Makes sense.

01:35:16.000 You're going to have augmented reality and people are going to have your Facebook score hovering over your head.

01:35:20.000 Like, this is Mike.

01:35:21.000 He's a super swell guy.

01:35:22.000 He's got four and a half stars from everybody he meets.

01:35:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:26.000 Yeah.

01:35:27.000 It's kind of like that with followers, you know?

01:35:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:30.000 Yeah.

01:35:31.000 Man, it's gonna be a weird world when our kids are our age.

01:35:36.000 It's gonna be a weird, weird world.

01:35:39.000 Yes.

01:35:40.000 I mean, I don't even think we could begin to comprehend it.

01:35:42.000 I think we'd be totally guessing. 0.99

01:35:45.000 I think there's some shit that's coming around the corner. 0.99

01:35:49.000 Do you see that NASA, Tom DeLonge thing? 0.99

01:35:52.000 Everybody keeps harassing me about the video of the UFO. I'm reading they're putting out more videos all day long.

01:36:00.000 Not just one.

01:36:02.000 Put them out.

01:36:02.000 Let's see them.

01:36:03.000 Let me see one of them videos.

01:36:04.000 Is Tom DeLonge putting out videos?

01:36:06.000 No.

01:36:06.000 His organization is putting out videos.

01:36:08.000 Of UFOs?

01:36:09.000 Yeah.

01:36:10.000 It's a fighter pilot, an F-A-18, I believe.

01:36:15.000 It's chasing this thing, and it's showing all the details of the altitude, how fast it's going, what pitch it's at, and all that jazz.

01:36:24.000 I don't know what that means, what pitch it's at.

01:36:26.000 But they're watching this thing.

01:36:27.000 They're trying to figure out what it is.

01:36:28.000 One of the guys is like, it's a drone.

01:36:30.000 It's got to be some kind of a drone.

01:36:31.000 They see something.

01:36:32.000 It turns.

01:36:34.000 It was going very fast.

01:36:35.000 So basically, it's like all the other UFO footage.

01:36:38.000 It's non-conclusive.

01:36:39.000 Yeah, it's blurry.

01:36:40.000 It's in like gun sights or like, you know, some sort of infrared sight rather.

01:36:46.000 So you're looking at it through this weird infrared video where it doesn't necessarily look...

01:36:52.000 You know, it's weird.

01:36:53.000 It's weird.

01:36:54.000 You're looking at it like, okay, what am I looking at?

01:36:56.000 I'm looking at a little object.

01:36:58.000 Do you remember that quote? 0.98

01:36:59.000 It could be a total bullshit quote from Warner Von Braun that he said right before he died that beware of the fake alien invasion. 0.99

01:37:08.000 Did he say that? 0.99

01:37:09.000 In so many words.

01:37:10.000 I hope he did. 1.00

01:37:11.000 I hope he did and he did it just to fuck with people. 1.00

01:37:13.000 See, that's it flying around. 1.00

01:37:15.000 There's a whole fleet of them.

01:37:17.000 Look at my ASA. Oh my god.

01:37:21.000 They're all going against the wind.

01:37:22.000 The wind's 120 knots far west.

01:37:24.000 I don't think, dude.

01:37:25.000 So they're following it for a while, and then it changes direction.

01:37:35.000 That's not an LNS though, is it?

01:37:36.000 It's not an LNS dude.

01:37:38.000 Look at that thing! 0.99

01:37:40.000 It's rotating.

01:37:44.000 So, whatever that is... 0.95

01:37:47.000 Whatever that is, is fucking super interesting. 0.85

01:37:49.000 And I heard they're now going to fly Travis Barker to Washington, D.C. to talk to people and give him some information as well. 0.97

01:37:57.000 No way.

01:37:58.000 Next, they're going to fly Kanye West.

01:38:00.000 They're going to fly him out and show him the secret lab.

01:38:03.000 For real?

01:38:04.000 No.

01:38:04.000 I'm making this up.

01:38:06.000 I just think it's crazy that they're flying Tom DeLonge.

01:38:09.000 No, it might not be fake.

01:38:10.000 It might be real.

01:38:11.000 It could be.

01:38:11.000 It looked fake.

01:38:12.000 Here's the thing about aliens, right?

01:38:14.000 How often do you think they'd have to visit?

01:38:17.000 I think they could get it done once in the 70s and be done with us. 1.00

01:38:21.000 They'd check us out and they'd be going, look at these crazy assholes. 1.00

01:38:24.000 This is what we're going to do. 1.00

01:38:25.000 We're going to install some cameras on the moon, these stupid fuckers. 1.00

01:38:30.000 They won't even be able to see it. 1.00

01:38:31.000 We'll just put some big ass cameras to film them from the distance and let's get out of here. 1.00

01:38:35.000 These people are crazy. 1.00

01:38:37.000 They're going to have nuclear power with these assholes and we would never see them again. 0.99

01:38:41.000 So if that really is a UFO, if it really is from another planet rather, How many times they have to come here? 0.89

01:38:48.000 I mean, if they are real, how much evidence would you really see of them?

01:38:52.000 Would you see it once every ten years?

01:38:54.000 How often would they come by?

01:38:56.000 Who had that joke that, was it you maybe?

01:38:58.000 Someone had a joke that maybe this is like the Tijuana of the universe or something?

01:39:03.000 Yeah, this is the Tijuana of outer space. 0.97

01:39:04.000 They come down here when they're fucked up and they want to see a show. 0.97

01:39:07.000 Was that part of your set? 0.98

01:39:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:09.000 That's old.

01:39:10.000 Yeah, that's super old.

01:39:11.000 That's 2000s, early 2000s.

01:39:13.000 Yeah, I think it's...

01:39:15.000 I'm not a non-believer. 0.99

01:39:16.000 That's for fuck sure. 0.99

01:39:17.000 I think it's entirely possible. 0.97

01:39:19.000 Like, if I looked up in the sky and an alien ship flew by, I would never think there's no way that can't be real, it can't be possible. 0.97

01:39:27.000 I would think, wow, they fucking, they visited us. 0.95

01:39:30.000 I mean, I'm sure there's something out there that's smart. 0.99

01:39:32.000 I'm sure there is.

01:39:33.000 It's no matter what it would look like, you know?

01:39:35.000 Would it even be in a physical form anymore?

01:39:38.000 I mean, we assume that everything has to be in a physical form.

01:39:42.000 What are you looking at?

01:39:44.000 Kendrick Lamar says he saw a UFO, but nobody believes him.

01:39:51.000 What is that thing in his ear, man?

01:39:53.000 What's that thing in his ear?

01:39:54.000 It's for our onstage ear.

01:39:56.000 It's a stage photo.

01:39:57.000 It's a huge thing in his ear.

01:39:59.000 Yeah, and ear monitors are awesome, but they're also the best headphones you can get. 1.00

01:40:02.000 Dude, that is like some fucking Borg shit. 0.99

01:40:05.000 It's like he's already been co-opted by technology. 1.00

01:40:08.000 I think Burt has some just for like regular listening.

01:40:10.000 Like seven different speakers in there.

01:40:13.000 Really?

01:40:13.000 Badass, yeah.

01:40:14.000 Send me a link, son. 1.00

01:40:17.000 That's another good case for a fucking phone with a headphone jack, huh? 0.99

01:40:24.000 Like, that's really annoying to me that they've decided to eliminate the headphone jacks from phones. 0.99

01:40:29.000 Just lost my second pair of AirPods.

01:40:31.000 You did?

01:40:32.000 Yeah.

01:40:32.000 Fell out of my pocket.

01:40:33.000 So what are you talking about?

01:40:34.000 The Air...

01:40:35.000 Headphone jacks, man.

01:40:36.000 Cell phones now, they don't have a headphone jack anymore.

01:40:39.000 They have this little lightning thing on the iPhones, and the only ones that have headphone jacks are, you can get them off of, Samsung has them, the new Google phones, they don't have them anymore either.

01:40:52.000 So it's all wireless now?

01:40:53.000 A lot of wireless, yeah, or you have a dongle.

01:40:56.000 They have to connect at the bottom, and then it connects to an audio thing at the bottom of that.

01:40:59.000 So basically, they're adapters still. 0.97

01:41:01.000 Yeah, there's adapters still, but you don't want to carry a fucking adapter around.

01:41:05.000 You know, but if you want to listen to really good music, I find that it just sounds better when you have a good headphone. 0.75

01:41:12.000 It just sounds better.

01:41:12.000 It just doesn't sound as good.

01:41:14.000 I mean, those AirPods are great.

01:41:16.000 They're fine.

01:41:17.000 They're good enough.

01:41:17.000 But if you want to, like, really hear the music, like, the best quality it can be, they say the LG phone is the best for that.

01:41:25.000 The LG V30. It actually has something called a Quad DAC... Like a little amplifier built into where the jack is for the audio.

01:41:35.000 So they actually have amplified sound.

01:41:37.000 They said it's supposed to be by far the best sound for a cell phone.

01:41:42.000 Like they just decided to like push that.

01:41:45.000 Like its own speaker, like you don't need headphones?

01:41:47.000 No, it's not that you don't need a speaker.

01:41:48.000 You definitely need a speaker.

01:41:49.000 But the headphone jack is like super powered.

01:41:51.000 It's got some processor in there.

01:41:55.000 See that thing?

01:41:56.000 I'm looking it up, and just hearing you describe it, I'm wondering why, what they could have that's so cool.

01:42:01.000 And then the article I found on The Verge says, it's the best audio on a phone ever, and then, quote, it just doesn't matter.

01:42:08.000 They have some crazy thing, and it might be awesome, but it also doesn't matter.

01:42:13.000 Yeah, but if it's awesome, if you like sound, like you, like you're a musician, you like sound, wouldn't that be like a...

01:42:18.000 I just like it in my car.

01:42:19.000 I have my little aux cable.

01:42:20.000 Even when you have an aux cable.

01:42:22.000 See, the thing is, if you do an aux cable through the headphone jack with the quad deck thing, it'd make a sound better in your car.

01:42:29.000 Do you remember Bass Boost on CD players back in the day?

01:42:32.000 Yeah.

01:42:33.000 Everyone had that.

01:42:34.000 That was the coolest thing.

01:42:35.000 Now it's gone, but it's just built into all the headphones.

01:42:37.000 Right.

01:42:38.000 Like Beats.

01:42:39.000 It's kind of just built into it. 0.94

01:42:40.000 Well, do you remember when people's car stereos, like the car stereo you would get, they were always the shittiest fucking sounding things ever, and then you had to buy a stereo afterwards if you wanted something good? 0.82

01:42:49.000 Added equalizers to them.

01:42:50.000 Yeah, yeah, and then the car dealerships were like, what are we doing? 0.99

01:42:54.000 Why are we letting these people make money off our fucking cars? 0.93

01:42:57.000 Because there was a whole industry that was spawned. 0.99

01:42:59.000 So they're like, why don't we just put our own good radios in? 0.96

01:43:02.000 What the fuck are we doing?

01:43:03.000 So now, if you buy like... 0.99

01:43:05.000 Like a new car, like a Cadillac Escalade or something like that.

01:43:08.000 The sound is insane.

01:43:09.000 You get in those things, you're like, God, it sounds perfect.

01:43:12.000 It's incredible.

01:43:13.000 It just rings through the cabin, you know?

01:43:17.000 I don't know how we got onto that.

01:43:19.000 Trying to talk about fights.

01:43:21.000 Oh, Holly Holm, Cyborg. 1.00

01:43:22.000 What do you think of that shit? 1.00

01:43:23.000 That's going to be insane. 1.00

01:43:25.000 That's really interesting, right?

01:43:26.000 Holly's probably the only one that has a shot against her. 1.00

01:43:30.000 But people forget that cyborgs are really good strikers.

01:43:34.000 People think, oh, Holly is going to outclass her with her boxing skills and her footwork and all that, but cyborg striking is... 1.00

01:43:43.000 She's like a professional Muay Thai fighter. 1.00

01:43:46.000 She is.

01:43:46.000 Now, here's another thing to think about.

01:43:48.000 Cyborg's jiu-jitsu.

01:43:50.000 Cyborg is a way better grappler.

01:43:53.000 People forget how good her grappling is because of the fact that she wins so many fights by KO, but she's competed in grappling. 0.63

01:43:59.000 I know she was a brown belt just a few years ago. 0.55

01:44:02.000 I don't know if she's advanced past that now, but she's legit on the ground.

01:44:06.000 And if you look at what Holly's weakness in the Misha Tate fight I'm sure she's gotten better since the Misha Tate fight, but Misha controlled her on the ground in one round. 0.98

01:44:15.000 I think it was round two.

01:44:16.000 Took her down, controlled her, and then took her down with just a little bit left in the round in the fifth round and choked her unconscious. 1.00

01:44:22.000 So the ground game, although I'm sure she got better at it, she's got such a good personality and she's such a good sport.

01:44:32.000 After that, she showed a picture of her with a white belt on, training.

01:44:35.000 She's like, trying to get better.

01:44:37.000 Like, put a picture on Instagram after she got choked out and lost her title.

01:44:41.000 She's got some serious character.

01:44:43.000 Some strikers, they just don't like training jiu-jitsu.

01:44:46.000 They're just not into it.

01:44:47.000 Yeah, I don't know if she's into it or not into it.

01:44:50.000 For a while there, people were saying that she just wasn't that into it.

01:44:54.000 Rampage was never into training jiu-jitsu.

01:44:57.000 There's just some guys that are so confident on their feet, they think that, why would everyone want to learn this stuff on the ground?

01:45:05.000 Let's just keep it up on our feet.

01:45:06.000 She's hard to take down. 0.99

01:45:07.000 She works on that, for sure.

01:45:10.000 Holly's hard to take down, and she likes to stand. 1.00

01:45:12.000 And I don't think that fight's gonna end up on the ground.

01:45:15.000 I don't think Cyborg's gonna try to take Holly down.

01:45:17.000 I think Cyborg's gonna go right at her. 0.97

01:45:20.000 Woo! 0.99

01:45:23.000 So that's the same card as Nurmagomedov and Barboza.

01:45:26.000 This is the December 30th card.

01:45:28.000 And then Jimmy Rivera and John Lineker.

01:45:30.000 Woo! 0.99

01:45:31.000 That's something that people are sleeping on. 0.99

01:45:33.000 That is a good fucking fight right there. 0.98

01:45:34.000 I don't know too much about Jimmy Rivera. 0.99

01:45:36.000 Dude, he's very good.

01:45:37.000 Who's he beat?

01:45:37.000 Very good.

01:45:38.000 He beat Uriah Faber.

01:45:40.000 He was one of Uriah's last fights, the second-to-last fight.

01:45:44.000 Click on Jimmy's record.

01:45:47.000 But he's only got...

01:45:50.000 One loss in his career.

01:45:53.000 What's he got?

01:45:54.000 Oh, yeah, he beat Thomas Almeida.

01:45:56.000 He beat up Thomas Almeida.

01:45:58.000 It was a really good fight, too.

01:46:00.000 Before that, Uriah Faber, he beats him.

01:46:02.000 Yuri Alcantara beats him.

01:46:04.000 Pedro Munoz beats him.

01:46:06.000 And he knocked out Marcus Brimage.

01:46:08.000 And I think that was his debut.

01:46:10.000 Is that right?

01:46:11.000 Does it say that?

01:46:13.000 Full history, it says.

01:46:15.000 Yeah, so he knocked out Marcus in his UFC debut.

01:46:19.000 He's very good, man.

01:46:20.000 Very, very tough.

01:46:21.000 It's interesting because he comes from a chain, too.

01:46:24.000 He's from Tiger Shulman's.

01:46:25.000 Tiger Shulman's is...

01:46:27.000 A really respected name in MMA right now.

01:46:30.000 They're really good trainers, real good fighters coming out of there.

01:46:34.000 But it was always like...

01:46:36.000 Do you have chains out here in the West Coast?

01:46:39.000 Did you guys have karate chains?

01:46:41.000 Not karate chains.

01:46:43.000 Tiger Shulman had quite a few gyms.

01:46:45.000 East Coast.

01:46:46.000 Yeah, but a lot of gyms, man.

01:46:47.000 I don't know how many he's got now, but I want to say it's definitely more than one.

01:46:52.000 It was like a known name in the karate world, you know, and then when MMA came around they adapted They adapted and they put out some real good fighters.

01:47:03.000 Remember Louis Gaudneau?

01:47:04.000 The kid with the green hair?

01:47:06.000 He fought out of there too.

01:47:07.000 I don't remember him It was a good fight.

01:47:10.000 The green hair didn't work.

01:47:11.000 Well, you know Carlos Condit's returning Against Neil Magny.

01:47:16.000 That's very interesting But I'll tell you what, man. 0.88

01:47:19.000 Neil Magny was the first fight where I realized how goddamn good Rafael Dos Anjos is at welterweight. 0.98

01:47:24.000 When Dos Anjos kicked his legs out from under him, got him to the ground, and smushed him and submitted him, I was like, holy shit. 0.98

01:47:30.000 Some guys, that weight cut is just too much. 0.97

01:47:34.000 And Dos Anjos had definitely crossed over into the too much territory.

01:47:40.000 I mean, in my mind, he's one of the best right now, for sure, at 170 pounds.

01:47:46.000 There's so many good matchups at 170, man.

01:47:49.000 So many.

01:47:50.000 Not too many fighters go up in weight and dominate like that.

01:47:52.000 Not like that.

01:47:53.000 Not just dominate, but dominate a former world champion who just came off of a convincing victory over Donald Cerrone.

01:48:00.000 You know?

01:48:01.000 Robbie's not shot by any stretch of the imagination.

01:48:04.000 That's not what it was.

01:48:06.000 This is what was most impressive about it.

01:48:08.000 Robbie was in there to the very end.

01:48:10.000 I mean, he was bobbing and weaving when he was getting hit with those shots.

01:48:13.000 He never gave up.

01:48:14.000 He gave it his all, and he wasn't diminished.

01:48:16.000 He just got out-fought.

01:48:18.000 He got out-leg kicked.

01:48:19.000 He got out-worked. 1.00

01:48:21.000 That fucking dude's got some crazy cardio. 0.99

01:48:24.000 I mean, Rafael Dos Anjos, for the barrage that he put, see if you can find some highlights, like Rafael Dos Anjos versus Robbie Lawler highlights. 0.99

01:48:33.000 He was just ripping him to the body with... 0.52

01:48:38.000 Ridiculous quantity of strikes.

01:48:40.000 Carlos Condit hasn't fought in a while, right?

01:48:41.000 A long time, man.

01:48:42.000 How long has it been?

01:48:43.000 Damien Maia choked him out.

01:48:44.000 I think that was his last fight.

01:48:45.000 A couple years ago?

01:48:46.000 A couple years ago.

01:48:47.000 Pretty sure.

01:48:47.000 Did he get hurt and have surgery or something?

01:48:49.000 I don't know, man.

01:48:50.000 I think he was...

01:48:51.000 I think he needed a break.

01:48:54.000 Just put it right in the middle there. 0.76

01:48:56.000 It's not loading up. 0.99

01:49:00.000 God damn it, YouTube. 1.00

01:49:02.000 Get your shit together. 1.00

01:49:05.000 Anyway, doesn't matter. 0.99

01:49:08.000 Just there's a lot of good talent in that 170-pound division now.

01:49:12.000 It's very interesting.

01:49:13.000 Darren Till, I want to see him get a second fight in the UFC. After that cowboy fight, I was hoping that he was going to fight Wonderboy Thompson.

01:49:19.000 But Wonderboy apparently fucked his hands up in that Jorge Masvidal fight. 0.97

01:49:24.000 He hurt his thumbs. 0.97

01:49:25.000 So, he's got to rest up.

01:49:27.000 Maybe get surgery.

01:49:29.000 I don't know.

01:49:30.000 What's going on here?

01:49:31.000 Darren Till won't rule out a fight with Mike Perry, but has Wonderboy as main priority.

01:49:36.000 Well, Mike Perry just lost.

01:49:38.000 In a great fight, but Ponzinibbio fought a brilliant fight against Perry. 1.00

01:49:45.000 Perry's a fucking animal though, man. 0.99

01:49:46.000 That guy never stops coming. 1.00

01:49:48.000 Did you see that fight?

01:49:49.000 I did, but I didn't see it consistently.

01:49:52.000 I was just looking over at it.

01:49:54.000 It's a good fight.

01:49:55.000 Mike Perry, he's the guy who fought Allen, right?

01:49:57.000 Joban?

01:49:57.000 Yeah, Joban was the first guy to beat him.

01:49:59.000 Joban beat him by decision.

01:50:01.000 And then he's been on a win streak since.

01:50:03.000 Well, he lost this fight, and I think he...

01:50:06.000 I feel like...

01:50:09.000 I feel like he won one in between there.

01:50:12.000 The Jake Ellenberger fight was after Alan Joban, wasn't it?

01:50:15.000 I don't remember.

01:50:17.000 He's dangerous.

01:50:19.000 Very dangerous.

01:50:20.000 If he catches anybody, he knocks them out.

01:50:22.000 I mean, he's just got to catch you clean. 1.00

01:50:23.000 If he catches you clean, he throws fucking haymakers. 0.99

01:50:27.000 Super aggressive guy, like all dudes, with writing above their eyebrows. 0.99

01:50:31.000 Whenever you get tattooed above your eyebrow, usually probably a little reckless.

01:50:36.000 Probably a little crazy.

01:50:38.000 Yeah.

01:50:39.000 Yeah.

01:50:40.000 So we'll see here.

01:50:41.000 Yeah, the Jake Allenberger KO was right after Alan Joban.

01:50:44.000 That was crazy.

01:50:45.000 The Alex Reyes KO. Look at that win streak he had before Alan.

01:50:48.000 Yep.

01:50:49.000 Yep. 1.00

01:50:49.000 Hyun Goo Lin, who's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:50:51.000 He got him by TKO. Danny Roberts got him by KO. Serious fucking striker, man. 0.99

01:50:59.000 That guy throws bombs. 1.00

01:51:01.000 I mean, he lost, but he lost to a really good guy. 0.98

01:51:05.000 Ponzinibbio is fucking very good, and he put that guy in trouble. 0.73

01:51:09.000 Ponzinibbio had an awesome strategy. 0.97

01:51:11.000 Great workload, great cardio.

01:51:13.000 There was a fight where both those guys were on the edge a lot.

01:51:16.000 They were both very tired.

01:51:17.000 It was like some serious back and forth action.

01:51:21.000 What do you think's happening next for Rose Namajumas?

01:51:25.000 That's a good question.

01:51:26.000 She's probably still on cloud nine, man.

01:51:28.000 Rematch with Johanna?

01:51:29.000 Maybe, but here's the thing.

01:51:31.000 I don't know if Johanna can make that weight. 0.97

01:51:34.000 I think Joanna is struggling real bad to make that weight. 0.99

01:51:37.000 Is that what she said?

01:51:38.000 Yeah.

01:51:38.000 Why she lost?

01:51:39.000 No.

01:51:39.000 I mean, she gave it all up to Rose.

01:51:41.000 I mean, Rose caught her, but she said she had a real struggle to make that weight, and she's thinking maybe 125 would be better for her.

01:51:47.000 Who knows?

01:51:49.000 She fired her nutrition company, though, that was taking care of her. 1.00

01:51:53.000 The people that were getting her to cut weight for that. 0.98

01:51:55.000 She said it was her hardest weight cut.

01:51:57.000 Hmm.

01:51:57.000 When it comes to people that know how to do that, boy, there's like four or five different people right now that are like prominent people.

01:52:06.000 Who's the best?

01:52:08.000 I'm cutting weight.

01:52:09.000 You hear two guys consistently.

01:52:11.000 You hear Dolce and Lockhart.

01:52:14.000 That's who you hear consistently.

01:52:15.000 You hear Mike Dolce and George Lockhart.

01:52:18.000 Dolce's got a little bit more experience.

01:52:20.000 Who's Dolce got right now?

01:52:21.000 That's a good question.

01:52:22.000 He's got a lot of people.

01:52:24.000 But he's got a real good record.

01:52:26.000 You look at his record for getting guys on weight for fights.

01:52:29.000 He's got a real good record.

01:52:31.000 Who has the worst record?

01:52:34.000 Whoever Calvin had.

01:52:35.000 This guy again?

01:52:36.000 Calvin's lost.

01:52:37.000 How many times has Calvin missed?

01:52:39.000 He's missed weight.

01:52:40.000 Yeah.

01:52:41.000 But didn't he make it when he was with Dolce?

01:52:42.000 He made it when he was at Dolce though, right?

01:52:45.000 I think so.

01:52:47.000 Yeah.

01:52:47.000 Just needs to be super regimented, you know?

01:52:50.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:52:50.000 He's so fucking talented. 0.98

01:52:53.000 Kelvin is so goddamn talented. 0.99

01:52:55.000 Hell yeah, he is. 1.00

01:52:55.000 That one-two that he landed on at Bisping was like, holy shit. 1.00

01:52:59.000 Didn't he catch him with the left hook? 0.97

01:53:01.000 Well, he caught him with a right jab, and then he caught him with a straight left.

01:53:05.000 Oh, that's right.

01:53:05.000 Just snapped his head back.

01:53:07.000 He snaps his punches, man.

01:53:10.000 He throws down.

01:53:10.000 At the end of those punches, they're snap.

01:53:12.000 He's got a very interesting punching style.

01:53:16.000 He catches guys at the very end of his shots, man.

01:53:20.000 I mean, it's really interesting, too, coming from that southpaw position.

01:53:25.000 Bang! 1.00

01:53:25.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:53:26.000 Come on, man.

01:53:28.000 Powerful. 0.99

01:53:29.000 Fucking super powerful. 0.98

01:53:30.000 And a good wrestler, too. 0.99

01:53:31.000 That's what a lot of people forget. 0.96

01:53:32.000 One of the reasons why he can strike so good is he's so fucking hard to take down. 0.74

01:53:37.000 Remember when he won against Uriah Hall? 0.92

01:53:40.000 Yeah, he's been working with Marvin, my black belt Marvin Castile.

01:53:44.000 He's been doing some serious training with them.

01:53:47.000 DeCerebris?

01:53:48.000 Yeah, DeCerebus.

01:53:49.000 DeCerebus? 1.00

01:53:50.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:53:51.000 I'm surprised you remember that. 1.00

01:53:52.000 Oh, I know who that guy is.

01:53:53.000 He's got a nasty M&R role.

01:53:56.000 Well, he's got that 12 million views or whatever on Flow Grappling. 1.00

01:54:00.000 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:54:01.000 He does that all the time. 1.00

01:54:02.000 He's...

01:54:04.000 Marvin is probably, at headquarters, the hardest trainer.

01:54:09.000 I mean, he's always drilling, always teaching, teaching privates, drilling his boys.

01:54:15.000 He's got his own crew, the break squad.

01:54:17.000 It's like having about seven guys.

01:54:20.000 And man, they're training on Sundays, doing doubles on Sundays.

01:54:24.000 Every day.

01:54:25.000 That's amazing.

01:54:26.000 He lives it.

01:54:27.000 That's how you get it.

01:54:28.000 And he's hustling too, putting out seminars, training camps.

01:54:32.000 He's got his dark arts seminars.

01:54:34.000 When he teaches a class, it's dark arts.

01:54:38.000 Just cuz he's you know, he's got all kind of game, but he does specialize in his own He's got his own special leg lock game that no one else is doing.

01:54:47.000 It's it's pretty extraordinary And he's the best at it and he's teaching he's got all his his crew that he's teaching and I've actually implemented that into the curriculum We practice his best stuff.

01:54:58.000 I put it up.

01:54:59.000 I put it right in directly Isn't it crazy how jiu-jitsu has no end?

01:55:03.000 There's like new waves and new techniques and new variations and new improvements and new defenses.

01:55:09.000 It has no end.

01:55:10.000 The amount of ways you can intertwine and entangle two human beings in different angles, it really is endless.

01:55:19.000 You know, there's...

01:55:21.000 I mean, there's so many different styles of just leg locks.

01:55:25.000 Just leg locks alone take a lifetime to master so much.

01:55:30.000 And over the last four years, it's just exploded.

01:55:34.000 I mean, since EBI won, when the Danaher death squad came in and just started dominating, boom, that's when the leg lock game just exploded.

01:55:44.000 It was always around, because Abu Dhabi and Dean Lister was crushing people with heel hooks, and so was Vinny Magalas.

01:55:49.000 They've always been around, but I think maybe people thought...

01:55:54.000 Okay, Dean Lister is leg-locking dudes because he's so strong and so big.

01:55:59.000 And Paul Horace is leg-locking everybody because he's so big and strong.

01:56:03.000 He's just ripping legs apart.

01:56:05.000 You know, that, and I think people looked at that like maybe it's on a small man sport, leg locks.

01:56:11.000 And even early in MMA, like, big dudes are going for heel hooks, you know, outside heel hook.

01:56:17.000 But then you see guys like Eddie Cummings, And, you know, he's not big at all.

01:56:22.000 He cuts down to 135. He's the 145 champ, but...

01:56:26.000 What does he walk around that?

01:56:28.000 He leg locks dudes that are 250 pounds to leg lock anybody. 1.00

01:56:31.000 That's crazy.

01:56:32.000 People are afraid of him.

01:56:34.000 They're afraid of him.

01:56:35.000 He's so good at leg locks. 1.00

01:56:37.000 People are fucking... 1.00

01:56:39.000 They run from him. 1.00

01:56:40.000 Well, they have such a good system.

01:56:41.000 The Donaher system.

01:56:42.000 Do you know Donaher system?

01:56:45.000 Do you talk to him about it?

01:56:46.000 He's very secretive about it and it's a good move.

01:56:49.000 That's part of the reason they're dominating the sub-only scene.

01:56:53.000 They're very secretive, but we take what they do and we add it to the game and we dissect their game.

01:56:59.000 We dissect Marcelo Garcia's game.

01:57:02.000 We dissect anybody's game who's legit.

01:57:05.000 Donaher's got a great Instagram page to break it down stuff breaking down his technique.

01:57:09.000 He's a genius.

01:57:10.000 I mean look at all his guys.

01:57:12.000 You got Eddie Cummings Gordon Ryan Gary Tone and Nicky Ryan and then the guys from TriStar which are affiliated with them to like Ethan Krellinston I was messing with him.

01:57:24.000 GSP? GSP did a lot of training with him?

01:57:26.000 Yep.

01:57:27.000 And Oliver Taza, he's awesome.

01:57:30.000 They got a lot.

01:57:31.000 Their crew, they're deep.

01:57:32.000 And they're not just good at leg locks.

01:57:34.000 They're good at everything.

01:57:35.000 They're good at passing.

01:57:37.000 They're passing people's guards in Abu Dhabi.

01:57:40.000 Well, look at when George choked out Bisping.

01:57:42.000 When was the last time he saw a rear naked choke that tight? 0.51

01:57:45.000 Yeah. 0.83

01:57:45.000 That was tight. 0.83

01:57:47.000 Right away in a world title fight.

01:57:48.000 The way he slapped it on.

01:57:49.000 It was like... 0.99

01:57:50.000 You know, sometimes you'll see a lot of like hand to the back of the head type shit that was just super sunken and tight. 0.97

01:58:00.000 Our rivalry with them, 10th Planet and DDS, it's only because they're so goddamn good, and we're trying to catch them. 0.89

01:58:07.000 Right now, in the sub-only game, no doubt, they are the best, and we're trying to catch them.

01:58:12.000 So if we catch them or not, if we surpass them or not, regardless, we're going to be as good as we can.

01:58:19.000 We're getting better and better every year.

01:58:21.000 And what's important is you need someone like that.

01:58:22.000 Yeah, the sport needs someone like that to have a team that's that dominant It's great for the whole game because then you realize like wow, this is possible and you got to take it to the next level Yeah, they're elevating everybody's game and when Geo beat Eddie Cummings That was it was so huge for me and for everybody attempt.

01:58:40.000 It was so huge only because they were so dominant.

01:58:43.000 Yeah It was just incredible.

01:58:47.000 The rivalry we got going is just making us all better, and it's just elevating the game.

01:58:52.000 It's making us better, it's making our leg locks better, and we're even taking some of their passing and their back attacks, too.

01:58:58.000 Who is, out of high-level jiu-jitsu, has got a real promise in MMA right now?

01:59:05.000 Isn't Gary Tonin about to fight an MMA match?

01:59:08.000 Gary Tonin, who won EBI four times, I think?

01:59:13.000 I think, which is a lot.

01:59:15.000 And he only has one loss in EBI. He's been super dominant.

01:59:21.000 He's about to fight for one FC. He signed a contract with Shatri, so that's going down. 0.99

01:59:26.000 I think his first fight may be in March, maybe.

01:59:30.000 As long as they bring him along slowly, no doubt he's gonna make some noise.

01:59:35.000 And Krohn is still fighting for Ryzen, right?

01:59:37.000 Isn't he fighting for Ryzen?

01:59:38.000 He fought for Ryzen in his last fight, but I don't know what's going on currently with his contract.

01:59:43.000 I have no idea.

01:59:44.000 It's been a while.

01:59:45.000 It's been over a year maybe since his last fight, so I don't know.

01:59:48.000 And when he was on my podcast, he made it clear that...

01:59:53.000 He, at the very least, wasn't certain where he was going to go with MMA. He talked about how the training and the lifestyle is just not fun.

02:00:03.000 He goes, I just beat a guy, and I'm like, this wasn't fun.

02:00:07.000 Maybe he needs time off.

02:00:10.000 You know, because he's had all the pressure of being Hickson's son, and there's so much pressure that comes.

02:00:15.000 Can you imagine the pressure?

02:00:16.000 You know, he's fighting an ADCC, you know, all that pressure.

02:00:21.000 He cannot get stomped. 0.98

02:00:23.000 If he gets stomped, he's got to deal with, like, how his dad feels, and, you know, that fucks with people's heads. 0.98

02:00:29.000 So there's so much pressure. 0.89

02:00:30.000 I just want to see that kind of level of jiu-jitsu.

02:00:33.000 Like when Brian Ortega fought Cub Swanson.

02:00:36.000 Yes, that guy right there, Brian Ortega.

02:00:39.000 That guy, he's right up there with all the best jiu-jitsu players in the UFC right now.

02:00:47.000 I agree.

02:00:47.000 He's right up there with Damien Maia, right there.

02:00:49.000 I mean, that guy is finishing fights with jiu-jitsu consistently.

02:00:53.000 And he just took, you know, what he did in his last fight against Cub Swanson, when he just took just your basic ass front headlock, head and arm, he just takes that and just closes the show with that.

02:01:09.000 Not very many people can do that.

02:01:10.000 And adjusted his hands.

02:01:12.000 Yeah.

02:01:12.000 While he was hanging on.

02:01:13.000 He had an arm in, faked, like he was going all neck marcelotine, and then went back.

02:01:18.000 Because as he faked, it loosened up the guillotine, so it went back, boom, and then he, it was just a little fake.

02:01:23.000 Oh, that's interesting.

02:01:24.000 Yeah.

02:01:24.000 Oh, he faked and went back into it.

02:01:26.000 Because the guy on the bottom, he knows he's caught in an arm and guillotine, and he knows, okay, I'm safe here, but look, there's a little opening.

02:01:33.000 If he switches really quick, there's a Marcelotine there.

02:01:36.000 So you're always watching it.

02:01:37.000 So when he went, he adjusted, but he went back and got in deeper with the arm and...

02:01:43.000 I haven't talked to him personally about it, but to me, that's what it looked like.

02:01:46.000 I watched it over and over.

02:01:47.000 That looked like a little fake.

02:01:48.000 He had head and arm, faked the Marcella team, and went back in and deep, and then he sunk it out.

02:01:52.000 The level of squeeze and clinch that's needed to pull that off on Cub Swanson.

02:01:59.000 Cub Swanson is high-level jiu-jitsu.

02:02:01.000 He's one of the best jiu-jitsu guys in the UFC. He's right up there.

02:02:05.000 His jiu-jitsu is really, really good.

02:02:08.000 Really good.

02:02:09.000 And to...

02:02:10.000 To pull that guillotine off on him and standing, there's so much technique going on.

02:02:18.000 And when he almost got that darse, was it a darse or an anaconda? 0.66

02:02:21.000 Was it a Japanese necktie?

02:02:22.000 What did he almost get in the first round?

02:02:24.000 I'd have to see that again.

02:02:25.000 He was in some weird position where it looked like he was trying to seal up a darse, but either way, I think it was a darse. 1.00

02:02:30.000 He had Cobb Swanson.

02:02:31.000 Tighten down quick, and you're like, woo, this guy's closing the show fast.

02:02:35.000 Those are all very simple chokes to learn.

02:02:38.000 The darse, the arm and guillotine, the marcelotine, the Japanese necktie. 0.86

02:02:43.000 That's the easiest part of the technique is just learning how to do it.

02:02:48.000 That's the easiest part.

02:02:49.000 The hard part is mastering it.

02:02:51.000 Yeah.

02:02:51.000 That's the hard part.

02:02:53.000 Easy.

02:02:53.000 You could learn an arm and guillotine in three minutes.

02:02:57.000 Anybody can.

02:02:57.000 It's really easy to learn.

02:02:59.000 It's not trigonometry.

02:03:02.000 But mastering it, that's what's hard.

02:03:05.000 You would think, why isn't there more guys like Brian Ortega out there just taking little simple front headlocks with head and arm and then taking it home?

02:03:12.000 There ain't that many.

02:03:14.000 It's just like a Muay Thai plum clinch.

02:03:17.000 You know, so easy.

02:03:18.000 You could learn a Muay Thai plum clinch in 30 seconds.

02:03:20.000 Really, really easy.

02:03:21.000 But actually, manhandling a professional fighter with it, the amount of time that you need to craft that clinch and polish it, you actually need physical time.

02:03:36.000 It's not going to happen on its own.

02:03:38.000 Remember when Anderson grabbed Rich Franklin?

02:03:39.000 You could see right away.

02:03:40.000 He's like, whoa, this is a different kind of tie clinch.

02:03:43.000 Remember?

02:03:44.000 He just clipped down and started moving him around.

02:03:48.000 Every now and then you see a fighter utilize just a plumb clinch and be really effective with it.

02:03:54.000 Someone recently, I forgot who was using it, in the UFC last week.

02:03:58.000 I forget, but who was it?

02:04:00.000 It wasn't Dos Andros, was it?

02:04:03.000 Yes, it was Dasanios.

02:04:04.000 That's right.

02:04:04.000 It was him.

02:04:05.000 And he comes from, you know, Raphael Cordero.

02:04:07.000 That's Muay Thai.

02:04:09.000 How much time are you spending developing that plum clinch, that Muay Thai clinch?

02:04:14.000 If that is not in your curriculum, that is not going to be something that people are going to be fearing.

02:04:19.000 You actually have to put time into it.

02:04:21.000 It isn't about learning it.

02:04:22.000 It's about mastering it.

02:04:24.000 What's about developing strength in that one particular move? 0.98

02:04:27.000 Just like the same way some guys can throw a nasty left hook to the body because they just have ridiculous powers.

02:04:33.000 You take the average athlete and have them throw a left hook, it's an awkward punch to throw.

02:04:38.000 But you get a guy like Triple G, he's been doing it so long, that neural pathway is so smooth and carved, he just digs that thing.

02:04:47.000 It's the same thing with chokes. 0.93

02:04:48.000 You see it with Brian.

02:04:48.000 Same thing.

02:04:49.000 Same thing with Brian also with his triangles, man. 1.00

02:04:52.000 This fucking guard is vicious. 1.00

02:04:54.000 That needs special time, too. 1.00

02:04:55.000 It has nothing to do with the time you spent on the front headlock and taking that all the way home and closing the show just from the front headlock.

02:05:04.000 Now, Cabrinha did it against AJ Agazzar in Abu Dhabi.

02:05:10.000 AJ wrestled in college.

02:05:12.000 Cabrera didn't wrestle, but at this point, he is like a college wrestler.

02:05:15.000 Cabrera's been wrestling so long, he could wrestle with college wrestlers.

02:05:18.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:05:18.000 AJ wasn't going to take him down.

02:05:20.000 AJ's a college wrestler.

02:05:21.000 Like, legit.

02:05:22.000 And he's not going to take Cabrera down.

02:05:24.000 Cabrera's like, you know, a capoeira master.

02:05:27.000 So, Cabrera shot in on AJ and got a single.

02:05:31.000 Wow.

02:05:32.000 And then dragged him in.

02:05:33.000 But he had a single.

02:05:35.000 AJ was hopping on one foot, and then he would drag him down, like run the pipe with it.

02:05:39.000 And AJ's such a professional.

02:05:41.000 He gets put to the ground, but then pops right back up.

02:05:43.000 Now he's hopping on one leg again.

02:05:44.000 He has a single.

02:05:45.000 And then Cobrina does it again. 1.00

02:05:47.000 Boom! 0.99

02:05:47.000 He drags him down. 0.99

02:05:48.000 And then AJ, like a professional ninja, he pops up again. 0.96

02:05:52.000 How the fuck is AJ even walking after that Gary Tonin bout? 0.94

02:05:56.000 I don't know, but let me finish this real quick. 0.98

02:05:58.000 This is on that front headlock.

02:06:00.000 So then Cabrina, he realized, okay, he sees what's going on. 0.97

02:06:03.000 He knows that he fucking, he still has the single. 0.98

02:06:06.000 He still has control. 0.99

02:06:06.000 That clinch Cabrina has. 0.99

02:06:08.000 He captured him.

02:06:10.000 It's not just a regular single.

02:06:11.000 He captured him.

02:06:12.000 AJ can't pull that leg out. 0.89

02:06:13.000 He can't complete the takedown, but he ain't pulling the leg out.

02:06:16.000 That clinch.

02:06:17.000 Cabrina's so strong, right?

02:06:18.000 So then Cabrina...

02:06:20.000 Does it again.

02:06:21.000 He drags him down to the ground, and then before he could pop up, he lets go and jumps on a front headlock, and he has a cradle and a front headlock, and then boom, and that's it.

02:06:29.000 He's not letting go of that.

02:06:30.000 There's really not that much there, but you know what?

02:06:33.000 It's a starting point.

02:06:34.000 The actual real starting point was that single, that clinch on the single.

02:06:38.000 Did he submit him?

02:06:38.000 He captured him.

02:06:39.000 Yeah.

02:06:41.000 He got his back.

02:06:43.000 Slowly, he had the front headlock with the cradle, and then he sprawled on him for a while, maybe a couple minutes, and then slowly jumped on his back.

02:06:49.000 He took him out like a real anaconda.

02:06:52.000 And that, all those positions, every step, Just a little single, holding a leg on a single.

02:06:58.000 Most people can't even hold it, and a guy will limp leg out and start again.

02:07:01.000 They start fresh and reset.

02:07:02.000 Most guys can get in there and hold that single for just a little bit.

02:07:06.000 It's only a little clinch, little tiny clinches, a little second here, two seconds here, a little wrist control, but when Cabrinha gets in there and clinches on that leg, he couldn't pull it out, and then he jumped on the front headlock, and then he wasn't gonna...

02:07:16.000 A lot of dudes, you put a front headlock on. 0.99

02:07:18.000 Most guys, you could peel that shit off and get off my fucking neck. 1.00

02:07:22.000 Easily. 1.00

02:07:22.000 But there's levels. 1.00

02:07:24.000 Like we always say.

02:07:25.000 We always say that because that's what it's all about.

02:07:27.000 You have to remind people there's levels to every movement.

02:07:31.000 And you just keep getting better.

02:07:32.000 And then levels to chaining the movements.

02:07:33.000 That's different.

02:07:35.000 And then boom, you put another movement.

02:07:37.000 What level are you on this part that we're going to connect?

02:07:40.000 That's a whole different level.

02:07:41.000 That's a whole different part.

02:07:43.000 Another piece.

02:07:43.000 Everything needs to be.

02:07:45.000 Every pathway in jiu-jitsu.

02:07:47.000 It could be super long or short.

02:07:49.000 But man, there's some pathways that...

02:07:52.000 For instance, you can capture someone in quarter guard.

02:07:56.000 That's your first one.

02:07:56.000 This is a normal path.

02:07:58.000 All I'm trying to do is just capture the guy.

02:08:01.000 And the worst capture is quarter guard.

02:08:03.000 It's the worst guard ever because anything worse than quarter guard where you're just controlling his ankle.

02:08:08.000 There's half guard.

02:08:09.000 You control the leg.

02:08:10.000 Full guard.

02:08:10.000 You're controlling.

02:08:11.000 His whole body is between your legs.

02:08:13.000 That's full guard.

02:08:14.000 Half of that is you only have control of one of his legs.

02:08:17.000 And then quarter guard is you're almost losing that leg.

02:08:19.000 You got the ankle.

02:08:21.000 That's the worst guard.

02:08:22.000 Once you lose control of that, he passes your guard.

02:08:24.000 Or you have nothing.

02:08:25.000 You have nothing.

02:08:25.000 So you capture that...

02:08:28.000 Ankle, you're in quarter guard.

02:08:30.000 And then use a mini stomp.

02:08:32.000 That's a technique, a series of techniques to get to the lockdown, which is a form of half guard.

02:08:38.000 And then from the lockdown, how are we going to get the full guard?

02:08:41.000 So it's a little climb.

02:08:42.000 Ankle, full leg.

02:08:44.000 Now I got your full body. 0.72

02:08:45.000 Now we're going to attack.

02:08:46.000 And then from there, a whole new sport starts.

02:08:49.000 You got him in full guard.

02:08:50.000 Now what you did before has nothing to do with this.

02:08:52.000 It's a whole new level.

02:08:53.000 It's like a video game.

02:08:54.000 Now I got him in full guard.

02:08:56.000 Man, that took a while, but I finally got him here.

02:08:58.000 And that's the whole strategy and the whole plan.

02:09:01.000 If anything would have failed and I didn't get full guard, Then you try to sweep and try to get on top.

02:09:06.000 I'm on the bottom.

02:09:07.000 Use half guard sweeps.

02:09:08.000 Get the dogfight.

02:09:09.000 Electric chair.

02:09:10.000 Electric stone.

02:09:10.000 Reverse lockdown.

02:09:11.000 A lot of stuff you could do.

02:09:13.000 Butterfly sweeps.

02:09:13.000 Overhook.

02:09:14.000 Boom.

02:09:14.000 I couldn't get full guard, but look, I swept you.

02:09:16.000 Now I'm on top.

02:09:17.000 Now we pass the guard.

02:09:19.000 Set him up, put him in the truck.

02:09:20.000 From the truck it's not working out.

02:09:22.000 Take his back from the truck.

02:09:23.000 A lot of people don't even know what you're talking about.

02:09:24.000 I know, I know.

02:09:25.000 What you're trying to say is there's a crazy comprehensive system.

02:09:28.000 Yeah, there's a path.

02:09:29.000 There's all these steps.

02:09:30.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 Nothing's happened in the truck.

02:09:32.000 Take the back.

02:09:33.000 I'm not going to spend that much time on the back.

02:09:34.000 I'm going to spiderweb.

02:09:36.000 Spiderweb, that's it.

02:09:36.000 We're first and goal on the one.

02:09:39.000 It's not looking good for you.

02:09:40.000 And there were so many things that you had to chain together for that to happen.

02:09:46.000 All those moves that sound crazy, you gotta chain all those moves together to make it happen.

02:09:51.000 You know, that takes a long time. 1.00

02:09:54.000 They should teach that shit in high school. 1.00

02:09:56.000 They really should. 1.00

02:09:58.000 What, jiu-jitsu?

02:09:58.000 They make kids a lot nicer.

02:10:00.000 I believe so.

02:10:01.000 I think so.

02:10:02.000 Makes him a lot more humble, for sure. 0.99

02:10:05.000 More humble, but also more realizing that a lot of the bullshit and insecurity, you can get that out of your system. 0.98

02:10:10.000 Train, you know? 0.98

02:10:12.000 A lot of pressure, though.

02:10:14.000 A lot of pressure.

02:10:15.000 Everybody would be cooler with each other.

02:10:17.000 Because with jiu-jitsu, it's competition every night.

02:10:19.000 That's a different kind of pressure.

02:10:20.000 So if you could handle that, if you could handle, if your ego can handle the competition every night, it's Abu Dhabi every night.

02:10:26.000 If you could handle it and you go in there like, I don't care if I get beat by these guys.

02:10:29.000 I care about the guys that are on the streets.

02:10:31.000 These guys in this jujitsu club, they're all little computer nerds.

02:10:34.000 I'm not worried about them.

02:10:35.000 And they're going to be nice to you.

02:10:36.000 Yeah, I don't care if they tap me.

02:10:38.000 One day I'm going to be able to do that.

02:10:41.000 Do what they did to me on someone that just walked in the door?

02:10:44.000 That's the attitude you need.

02:10:46.000 You need that attitude.

02:10:47.000 People take the tapping when they go into jiu-jitsu too seriously.

02:10:53.000 And there is that.

02:10:53.000 That's why it's so much fun.

02:10:54.000 That's why it's exhilarating and exciting.

02:10:57.000 Because they don't want you to do it.

02:10:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:10:59.000 And then when you tap someone out, it makes it so much better.

02:11:02.000 The fear of getting tapped or whatever.

02:11:04.000 Maybe you don't call it fear, but I guess you could.

02:11:07.000 But that...

02:11:08.000 In itself makes the tat feel better, so it's worth it.

02:11:11.000 You gotta have both.

02:11:12.000 Can't have heaven without the hell.

02:11:14.000 So that's what makes it exciting.

02:11:15.000 That's life itself, though.

02:11:17.000 It's like a microcosm.

02:11:18.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

02:11:19.000 It's like all the shit that's going on in the world. 0.99

02:11:22.000 It's like, maybe we're here for the pain. 1.00

02:11:25.000 Maybe it's supposed to be fucked up, and we're supposed to learn how to survive in this fucked up world, you know? 0.98

02:11:30.000 I don't know if we're supposed to, but we definitely appreciate good things more when we see bad things. 0.98

02:11:34.000 Yes!

02:11:37.000 Struggle.

02:11:38.000 Struggle's real.

02:11:39.000 Yeah, when you think about, like, you know, getting, let's just say you were a politician or a person that were like a truther or whatever, and then you're thinking about, man, what if I get suicided, you know?

02:11:55.000 Do you really think like that?

02:11:56.000 No, I'm not.

02:11:57.000 I'm just saying.

02:11:57.000 But you brought that up many times about Hillary Clinton.

02:12:01.000 Yeah.

02:12:01.000 Do you mind how many people criticize Hillary Clinton?

02:12:03.000 Unless you're working for the DNC, you don't have to worry. 0.99

02:12:06.000 But if you're sending some shit to WikiLeaks... 0.99

02:12:10.000 Yeah, people get suicided. 0.99

02:12:11.000 They just vanished.

02:12:12.000 How about that dude they just vanished?

02:12:14.000 People are fighting the extreme corruption going on.

02:12:19.000 There's so many layers.

02:12:20.000 But what's worse?

02:12:21.000 Getting suicided by somebody in the DNC? Someone ordered a suicide hit on you? 0.80

02:12:28.000 Or getting eaten by a great white shark in South Africa? 0.98

02:12:32.000 How would you rather go?

02:12:34.000 Does it really matter? 0.98

02:12:36.000 The shark might suck because they might cut you in half.

02:12:39.000 Yeah, but there's not people out there.

02:12:41.000 You're not going out there fighting to kill all sharks.

02:12:45.000 You're not trying to end sharks. 0.99

02:12:47.000 So maybe we're supposed to be in all this shit, and we're supposed to try to figure it out. 0.98

02:12:53.000 Maybe the bad motivates the good. 0.99

02:12:56.000 I honestly believe that there's got to be some opposing forces in this world for things to get done.

02:13:02.000 It's not that I necessarily want to see evil, but...

02:13:05.000 I think there's definitely some sort of an equation going on.

02:13:09.000 There's good and bad.

02:13:10.000 Look at movies.

02:13:11.000 Movies always have to have some kind of conflict.

02:13:13.000 Always.

02:13:14.000 Otherwise you're not going to watch it.

02:13:16.000 It's almost like that's how this all works. 0.99

02:13:20.000 There's going to be evil motherfuckers here and there's going to be good people. 0.99

02:13:23.000 What side do you want to play? 0.99

02:13:25.000 And maybe you're not supposed to try to fight the evil.

02:13:28.000 Just try to survive around it.

02:13:30.000 I've got to pee so bad we have to end this.

02:13:33.000 But tell me, when again is the next EBI? So people can get it on...

02:13:38.000 It's on UFC Fight Pass now.

02:13:39.000 Yep.

02:13:39.000 UFC Fight Pass, the next...

02:13:41.000 You can watch the last EBI 1 through 14 on UFC Fight Pass.

02:13:48.000 The next one, EBI 15, the featherweights, February 17th at the Muscle Farm headquarters here in Burbank.

02:13:55.000 Eddie Cummings, Gio Martinez, and also the Combat Jiu-Jitsu, the EBI Combat Jiu-Jitsu Bantamweight title fight between Nick Holmstein, who's the current champion, and Ben Eddy.

02:14:07.000 The next fight companion we're going to do is the 14th of January, it looks like.

02:14:13.000 That looks like the move.

02:14:14.000 14th of January, unless another one comes up in between now and then.

02:14:17.000 Is there any other one?

02:14:18.000 But that's a good one, right?

02:14:20.000 Yeah, I think it's just the one on the 30th is the next fight.

02:14:22.000 Alright!

02:14:23.000 Thanks, everybody.

02:14:24.000 Thank you.

02:14:25.000 Thank you, Andy Bravo.

02:14:26.000 Thank you, Young Jamie.

02:14:29.000 How long did we go?

02:14:30.000 Oh two and a half hours.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 28, 2010

JRE MMA Show #6 with Eddie Bravo

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