The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #63 with Jorge Masvidal

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00:00:05.000 And we're live?

00:00:12.000 We're live!

00:00:13.000 What's up, brother?

00:00:14.000 What's up?

00:00:14.000 Dude, how are you?

00:00:15.000 Very good.

00:00:16.000 We got you in here finally, man.

00:00:18.000 How many times do we have to talk about this?

00:00:20.000 Several, right?

00:00:21.000 A lot.

00:00:21.000 This was the universe wanted it right now.

00:00:23.000 The universe made it happen after the Till victory. 0.83

00:00:25.000 That was, for a lot of people, a big coming out party for you.

00:00:30.000 Was it? 0.99

00:00:31.000 Yeah, you were already out, but that was like, holy shit. 1.00

00:00:35.000 The way you put him out, that was a holy shit moment. 1.00

00:00:39.000 I was going for that moment. 0.99

00:00:40.000 That's what I was trying to do.

00:00:41.000 I knew a decision wasn't going to come my way that way.

00:00:44.000 Not to say nothing about the English, but I don't like the judging over there.

00:00:49.000 I've seen a lot of decisions go like...

00:00:51.000 Yeah.

00:00:51.000 Super crooked, you know?

00:00:52.000 I don't like decisions in almost every state.

00:00:55.000 Yeah.

00:00:56.000 You know, I mean, there's decisions in almost every athletic commission that you just shake your head at and you don't understand.

00:01:02.000 What's the worst one you can think of?

00:01:04.000 I don't know.

00:01:05.000 I don't know.

00:01:06.000 I'd have to sit back and go over the archives.

00:01:09.000 But I've seen some horrible ones.

00:01:11.000 Even ones where guys win.

00:01:12.000 They like barely win. 0.97

00:01:13.000 You're like, how the fuck was that close? 0.97

00:01:15.000 Like 29, 28. Yeah, that kind of shit. 1.00

00:01:17.000 And you're like, what round? 1.00

00:01:18.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those.

00:01:19.000 It's getting better though because more fighters every day are joining that force.

00:01:23.000 You know, where I see or I hear about fighters that used to fight that are involved in the commissions, at least like in Florida and stuff.

00:01:28.000 So I know 10 years from now, there's going to be nothing but productive people and people that know what they're looking at, you know?

00:01:33.000 We can only hope.

00:01:34.000 I mean, that's the number one problem. 0.97

00:01:35.000 I think the scoring system sucks, too.

00:01:37.000 Like, adopting a 10-9. 0.97

00:01:39.000 Even the new, improved scoring system.

00:01:40.000 It's like, MMA is so much different than boxing.

00:01:42.000 And to adopt this scoring system just because it already existed for boxing, you know, that's like adopting the rules of tennis for ping-pong.

00:01:50.000 Like, they're different things.

00:01:52.000 It's a mafia.

00:01:54.000 Is that what it is?

00:01:54.000 The boxing thing?

00:01:55.000 Yeah.

00:01:56.000 Why is the boxing commission governing the MMA commission?

00:01:59.000 Shouldn't we have our own thing, you know?

00:02:01.000 I think in some places they just didn't have the infrastructure, you know?

00:02:05.000 Nowadays we could do it, I'm sure.

00:02:06.000 Nowadays, for sure.

00:02:07.000 Yeah, in most places.

00:02:09.000 But yeah, it's, I mean, times are changing.

00:02:12.000 I mean, you've been around for a long time, my friend.

00:02:15.000 I remember the first time I ever saw you fight.

00:02:17.000 It was a backyard bare-knuckle fight in the Kimbo Slice days. 1.00

00:02:21.000 That was the first time I heard about you.

00:02:22.000 And then I saw you fight Eve Edwards in Bodog.

00:02:25.000 I remember Bodog fight.

00:02:26.000 Yeah.

00:02:27.000 It was the golden ages.

00:02:28.000 The golden ages, man.

00:02:29.000 It was a while ago. 0.99

00:02:30.000 Damn, it's crazy. 0.98

00:02:31.000 Like, Bodog fight was a fun organization. 0.99

00:02:34.000 Cain Velasquez fought there.

00:02:35.000 Chael Sonnen fought there.

00:02:36.000 Yeah.

00:02:37.000 Eddie Alvarez.

00:02:38.000 That's right.

00:02:39.000 Yeah.

00:02:40.000 Fedor.

00:02:40.000 Fedor had a fight over there.

00:02:41.000 Fedor had a fight over there.

00:02:42.000 Brad Pickett as well.

00:02:43.000 Yeah.

00:02:44.000 Yeah.

00:02:45.000 Mike Brown.

00:02:46.000 Yeah.

00:02:47.000 What happened with them?

00:02:47.000 They went under because of the whole gambling rules online changed, right?

00:02:52.000 Not from what I heard.

00:02:53.000 No?

00:02:53.000 From what I heard was the spending budget.

00:02:54.000 This is what I heard...

00:02:57.000 Calvin there, that was the owner of Bodo, right?

00:02:59.000 He put up this huge budget.

00:03:01.000 And these are just rumors from what I heard from the people working, you know?

00:03:05.000 It was like $100 million for X, Y, Z amount of years to get him publicity so people would see the fights and then go to the casino.

00:03:12.000 And that $100 million got blown out like in two, three years is what I heard.

00:03:15.000 Oh! 0.60

00:03:16.000 And I wouldn't disagree because they used to pay me really good and give us super perks.

00:03:21.000 They used to give us some super perks, you know?

00:03:23.000 Take us to exotic locations to fight, be there for two weeks.

00:03:27.000 You plus two, they'd fly out, take care of you.

00:03:29.000 They really, really took very good care of you.

00:03:31.000 So when I heard that they blew out 100 million in three years, I was like, yeah, it could be, you know?

00:03:36.000 Well, they were fighting on the beach with hot girls in bikinis, wandering around dancing. 0.99

00:03:40.000 But you were on the beach, like in the sun. 0.99

00:03:43.000 I was like, who the fucking idea is it to fight in the sun? 0.94

00:03:46.000 But let me tell you, the training sessions that went on there were some of the best that I've seen in the world. 0.95

00:03:52.000 So you would go and you'd bring two of your corner men and then somebody found that and then before you know you had like four people of your entourage going with you from whatever team that was and everybody was doing that and we'd have a training place and what they had done was laid out tarps and mats and it was huge so we'd have like a hundred pros 50 pros from all over the world just training you know and when you don't know each other and it's like hey you want to roll you know it gets competitive you know yeah so there was some great training sessions that I saw and that I that I took a part of you know Wow.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, it was fun, man. 0.99

00:04:23.000 Good fucking times. 0.99

00:04:23.000 Look, the world needs more of those. 0.99

00:04:26.000 They need more 1FCs.

00:04:28.000 We need more Bellators.

00:04:29.000 We need more, you know...

00:04:31.000 Competition.

00:04:31.000 Whatever the Professional Fight League is called now.

00:04:33.000 What do they call themselves now?

00:04:35.000 Professional Fighters League.

00:04:36.000 Is that what it is?

00:04:36.000 It's PFL. It used to be World Series of Fighting.

00:04:38.000 That's right.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, we need more.

00:04:40.000 We need more of them.

00:04:41.000 Oh, so PFL is World Series of Fighting.

00:04:43.000 It used to be World Series.

00:04:44.000 Now it's PFL. Okay.

00:04:45.000 Yeah, I think pretty sure most of the same organization.

00:04:49.000 Okay.

00:04:49.000 Yeah.

00:04:50.000 We need more.

00:04:52.000 Need more money.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, that Oscar De La Hoya thing, that's probably never going to happen again after the Tito and Chuck fight.

00:05:00.000 But someone of that ilk, someone like a Golden Boy Promotions, they started getting involved in MMA and putting together, they could get some guys that aren't signed but are super high level with a big name.

00:05:11.000 Maybe the contract comes up and they decide to do something with a big name promoter.

00:05:16.000 It'd be good for everybody.

00:05:18.000 Golden Boy tried many years ago, didn't they?

00:05:21.000 With Affliction was an Oscar part of that, I remember.

00:05:23.000 Oscar, Donald Trump.

00:05:24.000 Oh, that's right.

00:05:25.000 Donald Trump was a part of Affliction, that's right.

00:05:30.000 Josh Barnett sunk that ship.

00:05:32.000 Josh Barnett tested positive and that ship sunk, remember?

00:05:35.000 Yeah.

00:05:36.000 Yeah, and then the UFC bought it, like, right afterwards.

00:05:39.000 Yeah.

00:05:40.000 They had some fun fights, though. 1.00

00:05:42.000 That fucking Tim Sylvia-Fadar fight was wild as shit. 1.00

00:05:45.000 Andre Oloski. 1.00

00:05:45.000 Yeah, Oloski-Fadar. 1.00

00:05:46.000 Look at Donald Trump and Fadar.

00:05:48.000 He, he, he, with Tom Atentio.

00:05:51.000 That's hilarious.

00:05:53.000 Yeah, back in the day, son.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, Donald Trump and Tim Sylvia.

00:05:59.000 That's hilarious.

00:06:00.000 He was a totally different character back then.

00:06:02.000 Donald Trump was like a fun guy.

00:06:04.000 Like, everybody liked him.

00:06:05.000 Oh, he was always at the boxing fights, too.

00:06:07.000 Yeah, people liked him.

00:06:08.000 He'd get cheered on. 0.98

00:06:09.000 Now people are so fucking mad at him. 0.99

00:06:11.000 Same guy! 0.98

00:06:13.000 Nah, they don't see him that way no way.

00:06:16.000 No, they don't.

00:06:17.000 They don't, man.

00:06:18.000 That's why he has all his security around him now.

00:06:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:20.000 He has to.

00:06:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:21.000 He fucked up. 1.00

00:06:22.000 He became president. 1.00

00:06:23.000 Yeah.

00:06:23.000 It's a huge mistake for anybody.

00:06:25.000 You want to enjoy your life? 1.00

00:06:26.000 Don't be fucking president. 1.00

00:06:29.000 You know, he could disappear, get facial surgery or something. 1.00

00:06:31.000 You think so?

00:06:32.000 Of course.

00:06:32.000 Plus, you get that booklet with all the secrets of the history.

00:06:36.000 Just for that alone.

00:06:37.000 Yeah, the CFR book.

00:06:39.000 Just for that alone.

00:06:40.000 Who do you think gives you that book?

00:06:41.000 Is it the CIA, the NSA? Who comes to you with the book?

00:06:44.000 Some guy with no face, nothing.

00:06:46.000 Ah, no face.

00:06:47.000 Yeah, like the guy with the blotter and the watchman.

00:06:52.000 Who was that guy?

00:06:52.000 Inc.

00:06:53.000 Blot? 0.56

00:06:53.000 What's his name? 0.56

00:06:54.000 Rorschach.

00:06:54.000 Rorschach, that's right.

00:06:55.000 That guy.

00:06:56.000 Yeah, he comes to you.

00:06:57.000 He comes to you with the book.

00:06:58.000 What do you think's in that book?

00:07:00.000 We all know what's in that book.

00:07:02.000 Tell me.

00:07:02.000 I don't know what's in that book.

00:07:03.000 You don't know what's in that book?

00:07:04.000 What's in the book?

00:07:05.000 You think I'm going to say here and what?

00:07:06.000 Minions of people listening get killed?

00:07:08.000 I can't say.

00:07:09.000 I've seen the book, but I can't talk about it.

00:07:11.000 What do you think's in the book?

00:07:11.000 No, I'm joking.

00:07:12.000 What do you think, if you had a guess?

00:07:14.000 Let's say, President Jorge, your first day in office.

00:07:18.000 Mr. Masvidal, what would you like to go over first?

00:07:22.000 Is Elvis still alive?

00:07:24.000 No.

00:07:25.000 What about Tupac? 0.99

00:07:26.000 Where the fuck are you keeping him? 0.99

00:07:27.000 Where's Tupac at? 1.00

00:07:29.000 Who else?

00:07:30.000 What's going on with these aliens, bro?

00:07:31.000 Are they real?

00:07:32.000 What's really happening?

00:07:33.000 That's my number one.

00:07:34.000 Number one?

00:07:34.000 Number one I want to know about aliens.

00:07:36.000 I was hoping, this is my hope, when all these people are screaming in the streets about Trump, like, no!

00:07:41.000 I was hoping the moment he gets in, he's going to ask about aliens.

00:07:43.000 Because Trump's into conspiracies.

00:07:46.000 Like, he used to go on the Alex Jones show all the time.

00:07:48.000 I know he's into conspiracies. 1.00

00:07:48.000 If you were going to be the president, the first thing you'd ask is fucking aliens. 1.00

00:07:52.000 What do you got? 1.00

00:07:53.000 Let's see what's going on here with these green fellas. 1.00

00:07:56.000 Yeah.

00:07:57.000 What do you think is going on with them?

00:07:59.000 You live in Florida.

00:08:00.000 There's plenty of aliens down there.

00:08:02.000 No, we don't got...

00:08:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:06.000 We got a lot of aliens.

00:08:07.000 Different types of aliens.

00:08:08.000 Florida is a trip.

00:08:09.000 We're talking about those aliens?

00:08:10.000 No.

00:08:11.000 Florida is a trip.

00:08:12.000 It's one of my favorite places.

00:08:13.000 Especially the whole southern Florida area, like Miami, West Palm Down.

00:08:18.000 It seems like you should have a passport to go there.

00:08:20.000 It's so different than the rest of America.

00:08:22.000 It's wild.

00:08:22.000 Don't speak English.

00:08:23.000 It's great.

00:08:24.000 The food is all exotic.

00:08:27.000 It's such a different flavor.

00:08:29.000 And then the weather's crazy.

00:08:32.000 It's almost like going to another country.

00:08:34.000 Yeah.

00:08:34.000 You need a little power.

00:08:35.000 You go to the gas station, try and put gas in.

00:08:37.000 What language are you speaking?

00:08:39.000 Nobody speaks English there.

00:08:40.000 People get upset. 1.00

00:08:41.000 I'm always at a gas station and somebody, like an American person, will be in the line and, fucking damn it, man. 1.00

00:08:47.000 Nobody speaks English here. 0.99

00:08:48.000 And then I have to translate.

00:08:50.000 Oh, calm down, man.

00:08:50.000 It's okay, bro.

00:08:51.000 There's people who speak English and Spanish, you know?

00:08:53.000 Yeah.

00:08:54.000 And it's also the weather there.

00:08:56.000 When it gets crazy, it gets so crazy.

00:08:58.000 I went with Eddie Bravo once and he was doing a jiu-jitsu seminar.

00:09:01.000 We had a drive from West Palm down to Miami.

00:09:04.000 And as we're driving, this storm hit.

00:09:07.000 It was so hard.

00:09:09.000 Everyone stopped dead on the highway because you couldn't drive, because you couldn't see in front of you.

00:09:14.000 We were laughing.

00:09:15.000 No one could see anything.

00:09:17.000 It was just all a wall of water that was pounding down the car for about 10 minutes, and then it all went away. 0.98

00:09:23.000 We were like, what in the fuck was that? 0.97

00:09:25.000 You can't see in front of you. 0.99

00:09:27.000 Didn't matter if you had windshield wipers on.

00:09:28.000 You were going nowhere.

00:09:29.000 You couldn't drive.

00:09:31.000 You couldn't see.

00:09:32.000 Sounds about right.

00:09:33.000 That's about right, right?

00:09:34.000 That's why Miami people, Florida people got that spastic behavior as well, just like the weather, you know? 0.96

00:09:40.000 We're here one moment, we're gone the next, you know?

00:09:42.000 It's all temporary.

00:09:44.000 Yeah.

00:09:45.000 Yeah, well, you know, you being down there, though, you couldn't ask for a better training environment. 0.94

00:09:49.000 I mean, what they've established on there, I mean, it was great when there was the Black Zillions there as well, but, I mean, American Top Team down there, like, holy shit! 1.00

00:09:58.000 We are in Florida. 0.60

00:10:00.000 I mean, Black Zillions was trying to do that cute thing to saying that they were giving us competition.

00:10:04.000 Whatever happened to that team?

00:10:06.000 Well, the guy died.

00:10:07.000 No, but before that, it was long extinct. 1.00

00:10:09.000 Yeah, well, look, Dan Lambert's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

00:10:12.000 It costs a lot of money to do what he did. 0.99

00:10:14.000 And that guy, he's one of the treasures of the sport.

00:10:17.000 And what he did was not just do it once, but then build a whole new place. 0.98

00:10:22.000 The giant new place with dormitories and shit, stay at the art facility. 0.99

00:10:27.000 Dan loves it, man. 1.00

00:10:27.000 He's a Amazing. 1.00

00:10:28.000 Have you ever been to Dan's house?

00:10:30.000 No, never have.

00:10:31.000 Well, he's probably going to get mad at me.

00:10:32.000 I'm going to put him on blast. 1.00

00:10:33.000 I'm going to fuck it. 1.00

00:10:34.000 Let's pick at him real quick. 1.00

00:10:35.000 He's rich, so...

00:10:36.000 You know, he's got a really nice house to start with.

00:10:39.000 And you go inside the house and you don't see any pictures of his kids.

00:10:42.000 She has a beautiful family.

00:10:44.000 But you do see pictures, massive pictures.

00:10:46.000 I'm talking about, they won't fit in this room.

00:10:48.000 They're huge pictures of his fighters knocking people out and submitting people all over his living room, man.

00:10:54.000 And he'll tell you, he goes, man, the gym is my baby.

00:10:58.000 No way I'd get rid of this.

00:11:00.000 That's his thing.

00:11:01.000 That's his baby, man.

00:11:02.000 He loves it, man. 1.00

00:11:03.000 And Dan's also a tough motherfucker, bro. 0.99

00:11:04.000 I've rolled with him. 0.99

00:11:07.000 Back in the day when he was...

00:11:08.000 Maybe like eight years ago, he used to roll with everybody.

00:11:10.000 If you were a world champion or not, you'd be like, let's roll.

00:11:13.000 Just straight jiu-jitsu. 0.99

00:11:14.000 And he's fucking pretty good, man. 0.98

00:11:15.000 Yeah, he's very good. 0.98

00:11:16.000 He's legit.

00:11:17.000 Yeah, he's a great guy, too.

00:11:19.000 And I remember when that...

00:11:21.000 This place was basically just a money hole for him.

00:11:23.000 He just kept pumping money into it.

00:11:25.000 He was funding fighters.

00:11:27.000 Some of them took advantage of him.

00:11:28.000 A lot of them took advantage of him.

00:11:30.000 But he stuck with it.

00:11:32.000 And then he started developing world champions.

00:11:34.000 And now it's like, wow, look at that place.

00:11:37.000 I mean, when you talk about best gyms on the planet, you always have to mention ATT. You have to.

00:11:42.000 Obviously, my opinion is biased, but I think we stand alone in the world.

00:11:45.000 I don't think nobody's...

00:11:46.000 Just sheer numbers, you know?

00:11:48.000 We just got another title holder.

00:11:50.000 You know, on my card, we got four people from American Top Team fighting against the world, you know?

00:11:55.000 I think for a while, it was like Greg Jackson's and AKA. They were producing a lot of people, but as of late, the last like four years, I think it's American Top Team.

00:12:03.000 Yeah, it's...

00:12:04.000 It's also the incredible diversity of talent that you can train with.

00:12:09.000 That's what attracts it.

00:12:11.000 You're a 135er, and back home you're the only 135er, and maybe you're a world-class guy.

00:12:16.000 You come in here, you've got like five 135ers, and three of them might be in the top ten in the UFC. What do you attribute your longevity to and your enthusiasm to?

00:12:26.000 Because you've always been a guy who loves fighting and you've always been a guy who, I mean, you've had that enthusiasm for a long time, man.

00:12:36.000 Not a lot of things can capture my attention.

00:12:39.000 I can't just watch TV, for example, like a football game and sit through the whole thing.

00:12:45.000 I'm not trying to diss football.

00:12:46.000 I just don't have that attention span or basketball or baseball.

00:12:50.000 Fighting can just, like, I'm talking to you and the fight goes on.

00:12:53.000 And I just like almost get zoned out, you know?

00:12:56.000 So it's always had my attention since a kid.

00:12:57.000 Since before, I knew that I could make money off of it.

00:13:00.000 It just attracted me, you know?

00:13:02.000 It's that primal instinct, survival, whatever it is.

00:13:05.000 It's just hardwired deep into me, you know?

00:13:06.000 And my longevity.

00:13:08.000 One thing I definitely attribute to is not taking steroids, man.

00:13:12.000 You know?

00:13:12.000 Just being natural, enjoying this ride, the natural form, you know?

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:16.000 Not, like, pushing my body towards limits that I'm bench pressing 400 pounds where my ligaments are weak.

00:13:21.000 Right.

00:13:21.000 Things like that, you know?

00:13:22.000 And I also think God made me for this, you know?

00:13:25.000 The way that I've been fighting my whole career, you know, I have really good defense.

00:13:29.000 The last fight, it didn't show, but I'm also, like, built hard, man.

00:13:34.000 I walked out of the till fight without a bruise, you know?

00:13:35.000 Well, it showed. 0.99

00:13:35.000 I mean, look, you got clipped with one left hand in the initial after you dick kicked him, which is crazy. 0.99

00:13:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:41.000 He came out. 1.00

00:13:42.000 That was the first fight I ever saw with an opening flying sidekick dick kick. 0.99

00:13:46.000 Liu Kang to the balls. 1.00

00:13:47.000 Sorry. 0.99

00:13:48.000 But then he clipped you with a perfect straight left. 0.94

00:13:52.000 But you survived on the ground.

00:13:53.000 You survived on the ground.

00:13:55.000 You covered up.

00:13:55.000 You showed great defense on the ground.

00:13:56.000 You got back to your feet and you kept it together.

00:13:59.000 And the combination that you hit him with, you'd hit him with that combination a couple times.

00:14:03.000 Is that something you prepared for?

00:14:04.000 That when you were switching and then throwing that left hand?

00:14:08.000 Did you prepare for it that way?

00:14:09.000 When I went southpaw and then bet, bet.

00:14:10.000 Yeah.

00:14:11.000 Me and my coach, he's the one that'll do all the techniques.

00:14:14.000 The guy that I've been with forever, Paulino Hernandez, I think, the greatest striking coach ever.

00:14:19.000 He showed me, like, hey, let's do this.

00:14:21.000 I'm like, oh, man, I don't want to do any of your techniques.

00:14:23.000 Come on, let's just do it.

00:14:24.000 Then we started doing it, doing it, doing it.

00:14:25.000 This was a while ago.

00:14:27.000 For this fight, and I had stopped doing it, because a lot of techniques, we work them a lot.

00:14:30.000 When he brings me a technique to the table, We're going to rep it out 1,000 times in a week and the next week the same thing.

00:14:36.000 Talit feels that I got it.

00:14:37.000 And then he'll be like, alright, cool.

00:14:39.000 It's there in the tool shed.

00:14:40.000 When we need it, we'll polish it up.

00:14:42.000 So for this fight, he's like, hey, remember that technique?

00:14:44.000 Let's bring it.

00:14:45.000 I think it'll work here.

00:14:46.000 I go, man, but he's a softball.

00:14:48.000 He's like, I'm telling you, the way he's moving, the way he's fighting with you, it's going to work.

00:14:52.000 So we started doing it and boom.

00:14:55.000 Money.

00:14:55.000 You caught him with it a couple times before you put him away with it, right?

00:15:00.000 Not with that one.

00:15:01.000 With that same exact one.

00:15:02.000 Similar ones, but I didn't go full southpaw to the blitz.

00:15:07.000 You know, I did it other different ways, you know?

00:15:09.000 And I also caught him a lot with like overhand and left hook as he was coming in, especially in the second round.

00:15:15.000 I caught him, I think, maybe twice with that combo.

00:15:17.000 Yeah, man.

00:15:18.000 That's a big knockout. 0.63

00:15:19.000 That was a big knockout.

00:15:20.000 He's an interesting guy because he's really too big for 170. He's so fucking tall, but you are a guy who doesn't cut much weight at all. 0.94

00:15:28.000 How much weight do you cut? 0.98

00:15:29.000 By the time I get into Shape Shape, I'm around 182 pounds, 180 pounds.

00:15:36.000 So fight week, I get over there and I'm like 8 pounds away, 7 pounds away.

00:15:41.000 That's so light.

00:15:41.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.000 It's nice.

00:15:43.000 I don't cut anything.

00:15:44.000 At 55, if everything went right when I used to fight at 155, I got there at 174 pounds, 173 pounds, 5% body fat.

00:15:53.000 And the rest was just water, man. 0.99

00:15:55.000 It would fucking kill me. 0.99

00:15:56.000 So I always felt I was too big for 55, you know? 0.99

00:15:59.000 I loved it because the competition was stifter, but it was just getting harder and harder.

00:16:02.000 Once it took those IVs away, forget it.

00:16:04.000 There was no way for me to make that weight.

00:16:06.000 Yeah, and moving up has been very successful for you.

00:16:09.000 I mean, you look better moving up than I think you have ever in your career.

00:16:12.000 I don't think I had any stoppages at 55 with the hands, like ending somebody.

00:16:16.000 I dropped numerous people, but I never KO'd somebody stiff, you know?

00:16:20.000 And at 70, I got a couple of them.

00:16:22.000 Do you attribute that to having more power at 70, like being healthier, feeling better?

00:16:27.000 Energy, confident.

00:16:27.000 Once you run that desert to cut the weight and then you still have to fist fight, that's still in the back of your mind.

00:16:34.000 Do I have 50 good right hands in me?

00:16:37.000 And those doubts and stuff come in you.

00:16:39.000 And also, your insides take a beating. 1.00

00:16:41.000 When you cut that weight, when you're cutting like 12 pounds and up of water, Your insides take a beating, so you get hit in the stomach and like, whoa, that shit fucking hurt. 1.00

00:16:49.000 It doesn't hurt like this in practice. 1.00

00:16:51.000 You know, so it sucks, man. 0.99

00:16:54.000 It sucks. 0.99

00:16:54.000 Harsh water cuts suck. 0.99

00:16:56.000 We were talking about it outside that I think that if they instituted hydration tests and more weight classes and just cut it out. 0.92

00:17:04.000 Just cut out weight cutting altogether.

00:17:06.000 Cut it out, man.

00:17:07.000 Just figure out a way to eliminate.

00:17:09.000 Make people fight at what they weigh at.

00:17:10.000 But you've got to have more weight classes.

00:17:12.000 No, definitely.

00:17:13.000 You have to.

00:17:13.000 I mean, most of the population walks around between like 145 and 170, I think, right?

00:17:18.000 You know, most of my friends are not heavyweights or very short dudes, you know.

00:17:22.000 They're like right around there.

00:17:23.000 So I think definitely in those weight classes, they could definitely add more, you know.

00:17:26.000 Maybe even 7 pounds in those weight classes, every 7 pounds difference.

00:17:30.000 And then as they get bigger, they could do like 10 pounds, you know, like 85, 95, 205, you know.

00:17:34.000 I don't think it's...

00:17:35.000 Some people said that boxing is too watered down.

00:17:38.000 I think what waters down boxing is the different organizations.

00:17:42.000 Yes.

00:17:42.000 I don't think it's weight classes.

00:17:43.000 15 belts per weight class?

00:17:44.000 Come on, man.

00:17:45.000 Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with a 147 and a 154. No.

00:17:48.000 That doesn't bother me.

00:17:49.000 No, no way.

00:17:50.000 That 7 pounds...

00:17:51.000 147, 154, 160, and they have 168. I think that's perfect.

00:17:55.000 Perfect.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:56.000 I don't think...

00:17:57.000 I mean, I think...

00:17:58.000 Look, I always thought it was weird that we didn't adopt...

00:18:00.000 If we're going to adopt the boxing 10-point must system, why don't we adopt the weight classes?

00:18:05.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:18:05.000 It's the weirdest...

00:18:06.000 How is lightweight 155?

00:18:08.000 Lightweight's always in 135. We all know that.

00:18:10.000 Welterweight's 147. It's not 170. How is that welterweight?

00:18:13.000 That's ridiculous.

00:18:14.000 There was already a welterweight. 0.94

00:18:16.000 It's like calling a pound.

00:18:17.000 Like, oh, well, this is our pound in South Dakota.

00:18:20.000 It's seven pounds.

00:18:21.000 It's a little heavier in South Dakota.

00:18:22.000 Yeah, like, what is that?

00:18:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:18:24.000 It's...

00:18:26.000 It would be better for the athletes.

00:18:28.000 But I get the UFC's idea that they don't want to have all these titles.

00:18:31.000 They don't want to have 12 different titles.

00:18:33.000 They don't want it to be watered down.

00:18:34.000 Well, it's starting to be.

00:18:35.000 We've got a bunch of interim champions right now, don't we?

00:18:37.000 Yeah.

00:18:38.000 Well, listen.

00:18:38.000 Those two that we had this past weekend, I don't see anybody going to argue with those.

00:18:43.000 Those were fun.

00:18:43.000 Those were great fights.

00:18:45.000 Those were amazing.

00:18:46.000 Wow.

00:18:47.000 And I've been training alongside DP for a while.

00:18:52.000 Everybody knows who DP is already, but this, I think, puts him in a special category.

00:18:56.000 For sure.

00:18:57.000 To beat a guy like Max, man.

00:18:58.000 And to beat him the way he beat him to stun him bad in that first round.

00:19:02.000 And then just every time he connected, he was rocking him.

00:19:05.000 I mean, he really showed his power, showed the difference between a 55er and a 45er. 0.80

00:19:11.000 No, DP can crack.

00:19:13.000 I've been working with him for a while.

00:19:14.000 I've seen him lay out dudes stiff in the gym a lot.

00:19:17.000 He's got one of the higher body counts for laying dudes out stiff at ATT. Not even joking.

00:19:22.000 I believe it.

00:19:23.000 He's got power.

00:19:24.000 Another guy that would lay dudes stiff on the constant was Hector, man.

00:19:28.000 Those guys got body counts for the gym. 0.85

00:19:30.000 Lombard?

00:19:31.000 Yeah.

00:19:31.000 I can imagine he kind of spars hard.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, he spars a little hard.

00:19:36.000 He's a wild man.

00:19:37.000 He's also a freak athlete, too.

00:19:40.000 You know, I remember when Hector was laying people out in Bellator before he came over to the UFC. I mean, I think he fought his prime fights over there, really.

00:19:50.000 That was at 85, too.

00:19:52.000 Yeah.

00:19:52.000 Yeah, 70 was a harsh cut for him.

00:19:54.000 Brutal cut.

00:19:55.000 He's so thick.

00:19:56.000 Yeah.

00:19:57.000 You know? 1.00

00:19:58.000 Those fucking Cuban genetics, man. 1.00

00:20:00.000 Yeah, that's what he looks like. 1.00

00:20:02.000 Thickness.

00:20:03.000 Joel too is another guy.

00:20:05.000 Yes!

00:20:05.000 He's got all neck.

00:20:07.000 Joel is ridiculous. 1.00

00:20:08.000 42 years old can lay you out with any head. 1.00

00:20:10.000 I can't even believe this is a real human. 1.00

00:20:12.000 Whenever he weighs in, I'm like, what the fuck is this? 1.00

00:20:15.000 He's such a specimen. 0.99

00:20:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:17.000 Scary dude, bro.

00:20:17.000 I've been training along that guy too long, bro.

00:20:20.000 He's one of the freaker athletes.

00:20:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:23.000 Him, Lombard.

00:20:25.000 And to me, one of the best athletes I've ever seen that I've been around with.

00:20:28.000 Not too many people know him, but he's a wild man.

00:20:31.000 Like, the wildest of the bunch.

00:20:32.000 He's the one that when he comes in the room, me, Joel, Hector, whoever's there that knows him, takes off the hat and goes, the guy's here.

00:20:40.000 The man is here.

00:20:41.000 It's Alexis Villa, bro.

00:20:42.000 That guy's a freak athlete, bro.

00:20:43.000 Yeah?

00:20:44.000 Two-time world champion wrestler, Olympic bronze medalist.

00:20:48.000 But man, that guy could play any sport, man.

00:20:50.000 Like handball.

00:20:51.000 How long has he been over at ATT? No, no.

00:20:54.000 Right now, he's beating a sentence right now.

00:20:58.000 He's doing a little bit of jail time for a crime that he didn't commit, but he was fighting.

00:21:03.000 He fought in Bellator.

00:21:03.000 He beat Joe Warren.

00:21:05.000 He knocked him out. 1.00

00:21:06.000 Oh, no shit. 1.00

00:21:07.000 Okay. 1.00

00:21:08.000 Alexis Villa.

00:21:09.000 And, man, from pure athleticism, this guy would do crazy stuff, you know? 0.99

00:21:14.000 He'd play basketball with, like, a basketball high school team just by, like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:21:19.000 What weight is he competing in? 0.99

00:21:20.000 He was at 125 and 135. Freak athlete, though.

00:21:25.000 Do some crazy stuff. 0.75

00:21:26.000 Yeah, bro. 0.89

00:21:27.000 Freak athlete, man.

00:21:28.000 Yeah, there's some freak athletes in the sport now. 0.96

00:21:31.000 It's interesting to see the difference between the athletes from like 93, you know, the first UFCs to now.

00:21:37.000 It's a crazy difference.

00:21:38.000 I still don't think that we get the same caliber of athletes as the NFL or the NHL or rather NBA. But it's closing in.

00:21:47.000 In different ways.

00:21:48.000 Because we get the best and fastest guys from like 170 and down.

00:21:51.000 Like those 45, 35 pounders, they're growing up either wrestling or boxing or doing something of that nature.

00:21:56.000 They know they're not going to play basketball or football.

00:21:58.000 That's true.

00:21:59.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:22:00.000 Yeah.

00:22:01.000 Yeah, we do have some pretty freaky lighter weight athletes.

00:22:04.000 Yeah.

00:22:05.000 How old are you now?

00:22:06.000 How old are you now?

00:22:07.000 34. 34. How many more years do you feel you're going to be doing this?

00:22:12.000 Comfortably, I'm going to fight until I'm 38 at least.

00:22:14.000 Four more years.

00:22:15.000 And then if the money is right, I'll stick around.

00:22:18.000 But at 38, I've...

00:22:21.000 I've lived this rollercoaster long enough, it's time to stop, just dedicate full time to my kids.

00:22:25.000 Did you start fighting at like 20?

00:22:26.000 18, pro.

00:22:27.000 Yeah, wow.

00:22:28.000 Had a couple of amateur fights, went pro and enjoyed this rollercoaster.

00:22:32.000 It's my favorite rollercoaster.

00:22:33.000 What kind of training did you have before you went pro?

00:22:37.000 Um... 1.00

00:22:37.000 Just that fucking... 1.00

00:22:38.000 Somebody that had, like, maybe one or two pro fights in MMA, like, advising you, like, I think you should be doing this, man. 1.00

00:22:44.000 Why don't we go chop trees and shit? 0.93

00:22:46.000 Alright, let's go do it, you know? 0.98

00:22:47.000 You didn't have any fight training?

00:22:49.000 Yeah, I had fight training, but it wasn't, like, structured, you know?

00:22:53.000 Um...

00:22:53.000 What was your first original martial art?

00:22:56.000 Uh...

00:22:57.000 As a kid, my dad had sucked me in anything, martial arts, because I was a very hyperactive individual.

00:23:07.000 So my dad was like, man, I've got to stick this guy in something.

00:23:09.000 So they had me in karate.

00:23:14.000 What else I done?

00:23:14.000 Maybe some Taekwondo.

00:23:16.000 But I didn't get far in a lot of these things because I'd start to excel in the programs, obviously, because of my natural aggressiveness.

00:23:23.000 But then in school, if I get in trouble with the grades or anything, my mom would be like, no, we got to take him out.

00:23:27.000 It's only going to further the damage.

00:23:29.000 We're not going to let him go there and be at peace.

00:23:31.000 We're going to take him out every time he messes up at school.

00:23:34.000 So I'd start doing good at the gym like two, three months and then get taken out, you know?

00:23:37.000 So that was like a recurring thing until I got to like 14 years old.

00:23:40.000 Then I was like, that's it, man.

00:23:41.000 I need to be in the gym all day long.

00:23:43.000 It's the only way to do it.

00:23:46.000 You had parts in your career where you took it more seriously?

00:23:50.000 As a kid, until I got to 13, 14, I wasn't able to...

00:23:54.000 Mom, I'm not going to school today.

00:23:57.000 I'm going to the gym now.

00:23:58.000 Right around I got 14, I knew already more or less what I wanted to do.

00:24:02.000 I had already seen the UFC enough.

00:24:04.000 Before the UFC came out, I was like, I'm either going to box or I'm going to wrestle.

00:24:07.000 Those two things are amazing and the coolest things I've ever seen. 0.98

00:24:11.000 And then UFC comes out and blows my fucking mind. 0.99

00:24:14.000 I was like, what the fuck is this, bro? 1.00

00:24:16.000 You're getting paid for this? 0.99

00:24:17.000 And then I was hearing what they were getting paid at the time.

00:24:19.000 I was like, man, I could make a living off this.

00:24:21.000 I'm doing this. 1.00

00:24:22.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:24:22.000 And I invested everything I had ever since into this. 1.00

00:24:26.000 Wow.

00:24:27.000 So you keep saying the resurrection is a big thing that you're putting on social media.

00:24:32.000 The resurrection.

00:24:34.000 What is that about?

00:24:36.000 Um...

00:24:37.000 Numerous things.

00:24:39.000 More on the personal side. 0.99

00:24:41.000 Just cutting off a lot of bullshit out of my life. 0.99

00:24:44.000 Tremendous amounts of it. 0.99

00:24:47.000 And focusing on what I got to do. 1.00

00:24:50.000 I've done a lot of stupid shit in my career. 1.00

00:24:53.000 Just from having genetics and being blessed. 1.00

00:24:57.000 Man, I can party all night long and then park the car at the gym at 6am in the morning. 0.99

00:25:01.000 I'll wake up at 10am and then kick everybody's ass in the workout room. 0.99

00:25:05.000 And I'm not talking shit because anybody that works out with me will tell you every day that I'm in there, I'm a nightmare, you know? 0.99

00:25:09.000 And then I go home and sleep a couple hours and then go back to the gym at night. 1.00

00:25:13.000 And do stupid shit like that. 1.00

00:25:14.000 I did that for a while. 1.00

00:25:15.000 Not that I was currently doing that, but I did that a lot.

00:25:18.000 I abused my body.

00:25:20.000 You didn't give your body a chance to really recover. 0.99

00:25:22.000 From that and a million other dumb things. 0.96

00:25:24.000 So I've just focused on just fighting, man. 0.70

00:25:27.000 Just doing this 100%.

00:25:29.000 You even cut out social media.

00:25:31.000 Yeah, that I've cut out a long time ago, but even more now, you know.

00:25:36.000 For me, I'm not good with technology to start with.

00:25:39.000 I'm not the greatest with the technology gizmo and stuff, man.

00:25:41.000 Right.

00:25:42.000 You know, you got the Elon Musks of this world, and you got me on the other spectrum, man.

00:25:46.000 I just want to fight.

00:25:47.000 I just want to do athletic things, sports. 1.00

00:25:49.000 Call me up if you're going to go for a fucking five-hour hike, but if I got to send emails and shit, I'm fucked. 0.99

00:25:54.000 So I'm talking about social media. 1.00

00:25:56.000 I don't know how many followers I got in there.

00:25:58.000 It's a lot of pressure to keep up with this stuff.

00:25:59.000 I could do this, the talking.

00:26:01.000 I don't ignore it.

00:26:02.000 I get on it.

00:26:03.000 My manager stays on top of me and he helps me out tremendously.

00:26:06.000 But I was in the special classes in elementary.

00:26:09.000 I had the short bus, two teachers in my class, eight students.

00:26:12.000 So you can't force me on this social media stuff.

00:26:15.000 It feels like I'm back in school.

00:26:17.000 But you obviously are a smart dude.

00:26:19.000 You're a smart dude.

00:26:20.000 I can tell that from talking to you.

00:26:21.000 And you're clearly smart from the way you fight.

00:26:24.000 You know, there's no way you could fight the way you fight and be as creative as you are and not be intelligent.

00:26:29.000 It's just you're expressing it in a different way.

00:26:31.000 Yeah.

00:26:32.000 Yeah.

00:26:33.000 For sure.

00:26:33.000 For fighting, yeah, I definitely have to be smart.

00:26:35.000 Unless you're just some crazy freak athlete.

00:26:39.000 For fighting, yeah, I definitely got a good sense of what's good and what's bad. 0.76

00:26:44.000 Mm-hmm.

00:26:45.000 Yeah.

00:26:46.000 Definitely.

00:26:46.000 Have you always had that sense of what's good and what's good in terms of, like, have you always had good timing for sparring?

00:26:53.000 Oh, for straight, my most gifted ability that God said here is boxing.

00:26:59.000 Since the first day I walked into the boxing ring, maybe like three weeks later was the first time I was like, I will let this guy spar, you know?

00:27:05.000 And they put me to spar.

00:27:07.000 And I remember there was a couple coaches there that didn't know me.

00:27:09.000 They were handling already the boxing team for that program.

00:27:12.000 And I used to go to the state-sponsored program, which was like $40 for the whole year.

00:27:16.000 You had access to the gym three, four hours a day, and it was like perfect.

00:27:20.000 You know, it was the best thing that could happen to me.

00:27:22.000 So it was a lot of good talent and then we had a couple of national champions come out of the program.

00:27:25.000 And I remember my first sparring session sparring, the coach is coming up to me and goes, "Hey man, how many amateur fights you got?" And I go, "No, I've never fought in my life." I go, "What?

00:27:33.000 All right, come over here, man.

00:27:35.000 Let's start working with you." And it was like immediate, you know, and I just had like a natural born radar where I could see the punches in slow motion, you know.

00:27:42.000 I didn't know at the time how to react to them.

00:27:45.000 Right.

00:27:47.000 Trying to get out of the way and it would just work you know and still to this day I have that same radar so I'm that's just a blessing God gave me and also from the ass whoopings my mother used to give me because when the belt would come with a metal buckle and the shoes that that's the first um test of the reflexes you know when I get home like at uh two in the morning I was like 12 13 years old my mom be waiting for me dodge the broom time You've obviously put more work

00:28:18.000 into, though.

00:28:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:19.000 It's not just this whole resurrection.

00:28:22.000 You seem more focused.

00:28:24.000 Definitely more focused.

00:28:25.000 I've always been, like, ultra-focused when I got to fight.

00:28:29.000 You know, like, nothing forever in all my career.

00:28:31.000 Like, I got to fight.

00:28:33.000 I'm going to make it to every single practice that's on my schedule.

00:28:36.000 If I got two practices today and three tomorrow and whatever it is, I'm always going to do it.

00:28:41.000 Outside of fighting, though, like, once I don't have a fight, those seven, eight weeks, madness would happen. 1.00

00:28:47.000 Fucking stupid shit, you know? 1.00

00:28:49.000 So, you know, that gets you into trouble. 1.00

00:28:52.000 That gets you out of shape.

00:28:53.000 I love to eat, you know? 0.99

00:28:55.000 That's another fucking huge problem. 0.99

00:28:56.000 Right. 0.99

00:28:57.000 Yeah, I love to eat too much, maybe.

00:28:59.000 What's the heaviest you've ever gotten in between fights?

00:29:01.000 It was recently.

00:29:02.000 Right before I went on this reality show, I checked my weight.

00:29:05.000 I was at a staggering, too sexy.

00:29:09.000 You know, it was time to cut the weight, man.

00:29:12.000 It was just too much, man.

00:29:14.000 What reality show was this?

00:29:15.000 I went on my manager, Abe, got me this deal.

00:29:21.000 We were having trouble.

00:29:22.000 This was after the Thompson fight.

00:29:23.000 We couldn't really get a matchup.

00:29:25.000 Couldn't get a fight that I wanted.

00:29:26.000 I wanted like a tough fight and they were kind of offering me like ultimate fighters and things like that.

00:29:31.000 No disrespect to them.

00:29:32.000 At that stage in my career, I want the hardest fighter, the best fighter that I could get.

00:29:36.000 And he calls me up one day and says, hey, I got this reality show.

00:29:39.000 And I was like, oh, awesome.

00:29:40.000 Click.

00:29:42.000 And calls me back the next day.

00:29:44.000 What?

00:29:44.000 Don't hang up yet?

00:29:45.000 Listen to me.

00:29:46.000 I think you might like this.

00:29:48.000 It's not like that.

00:29:49.000 It's not like a jersey short.

00:29:50.000 It's like a competitive.

00:29:51.000 You're going to compete against people.

00:29:52.000 I'm like, no, no thanks, bro.

00:29:54.000 And then we talk like a week later.

00:29:56.000 What's going on?

00:29:56.000 Did I get a fight?

00:29:57.000 No, we can't get a fight yet unless you want to fight Joe Blow or this guy.

00:30:02.000 I've already been sitting out seven months nursing my injuries.

00:30:04.000 I'm already thinking, yeah, I'll fight whoever it is.

00:30:06.000 So while this is going on, the reality shows pitching numbers at us.

00:30:10.000 They keep increasing the number every time.

00:30:12.000 They get to a decent number.

00:30:14.000 They talk to my manager.

00:30:15.000 My manager talks to me like, I can't get you no fight right now that you want.

00:30:19.000 Why don't you just go there a couple weeks, one or two weeks, collect these paychecks, come back and that's it, you know?

00:30:23.000 And, uh, the reality shows, like, you go through, like, a parkour, um, kind of obstacles, and then at the end, you gotta aim.

00:30:30.000 So, while your heart rate's all up, you'd have to, like, knock down water bottles with a frisbee or a football or something like that.

00:30:36.000 But the cool part is that I'm up against Olympic gymnasts, parkour dudes, um, tennis players, soccer players, all types of athletes were just mixed in there, and we're just all competing in this thing.

00:30:47.000 So, it was pretty cool, you know?

00:30:48.000 It was an awesome experience.

00:30:49.000 I ended up lasting, um, 13 weeks in the show and the show ran for about 15 weeks.

00:30:54.000 So I got pretty far deep in it, you know?

00:30:56.000 And the coolest thing was that I got to be alone by myself because one of the things is there's no cell phone, there's no TV, there's no music on the show.

00:31:04.000 So it's just the interaction of us and outside of that, that's it.

00:31:08.000 That's your only interaction.

00:31:09.000 You don't have no interactions with the town people or nothing.

00:31:11.000 They strictly forbid that, you know?

00:31:13.000 They want you like caged up.

00:31:14.000 So it was awesome, I thought.

00:31:16.000 You know, after a while, it was the best.

00:31:17.000 I'd go work out in the nature, be by myself in the mountains or in the beach and just chilling, and you really get to notice yourself.

00:31:24.000 And that's why I call it the resurrection, because I thought about, like, all the negative, dumb things that I've done in my life, and just let me eliminate them. 0.99

00:31:31.000 Whether I like them in my life or not, let me just eliminate that shit. 0.99

00:31:34.000 And that's it, you know. 0.99

00:31:35.000 That's why we call it the resurrection, you know.

00:31:37.000 Yeah, well, that fight with Till, man, if anybody had any doubts, that fight erased all of them.

00:31:42.000 And that was, I mean, Till was top five, right?

00:31:45.000 When you knocked him out, I believe so.

00:31:47.000 Number three, yeah.

00:31:48.000 Yeah, and so that puts you in the hunt now. 0.99

00:31:51.000 What a crazy goddamn division that is now. 0.99

00:31:52.000 Yes, sir. 0.99

00:31:53.000 I mean, we got Robbie Lawler, who's about to fight...

00:32:00.000 Tyron Woodley again.

00:32:01.000 They're going to have a rematch. 0.99

00:32:02.000 That's a crazy fucking fight. 1.00

00:32:03.000 It's a crazy fight. 0.99

00:32:04.000 Usman is waiting to see who's going to be next for him at 170 now that he's the champ.

00:32:09.000 I mean, Wonderboy just got KO'd by Pettis, which is crazy.

00:32:14.000 That was crazy.

00:32:16.000 And now RDA, which is a ranked 70 pounder, is going to fight...

00:32:22.000 He's going to fight the 55. I just forgot his name right now this second.

00:32:25.000 Kevin Lee.

00:32:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:26.000 Kevin Lee's going to go up to 70 now.

00:32:28.000 Those are the things that throw me off.

00:32:30.000 If Pettis stays at 70, awesome, right?

00:32:33.000 But if he goes down to 55, it kind of makes it more of a weird setup.

00:32:38.000 And same thing with Kevin Lee.

00:32:39.000 I don't know if he's staying up at 70 or he's doing a one-time, one-night sand thing, you know?

00:32:44.000 He's staying, according to him, when I talked to him, he just had, it was just too hard for him.

00:32:49.000 It's like 55 just ruined him.

00:32:50.000 Every time he got down there, he made, well, you've met him.

00:32:53.000 He's big.

00:32:54.000 He's a big guy.

00:32:55.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:32:55.000 And he's walking around like 185, easy, maybe more, and thick, you know, so like, man, there's not a lot of weight there that you can cut off, 30 fucking pounds. 0.98

00:33:04.000 Yeah, see, if he stays, no problem.

00:33:05.000 I love it, you know, but when it's, when they come and go, it like messes up, yeah, it makes it a labyrinth, you know?

00:33:12.000 Yeah, I don't understand why the UFC is so reluctant to have more weight classes.

00:33:15.000 I really don't get it.

00:33:17.000 Dana said that the 165-pound weight class will never happen while he's running the UFC, and he's going to be running it for the next seven years, he said.

00:33:26.000 ESPN plus Kevin Lee want to make Rafael Sanchez fight at 165. He's asking them to see if they can make a backroom deal to just both weigh in at 165 instead of 170, just to sort of force it.

00:33:38.000 What?

00:33:39.000 That's not forcing it.

00:33:41.000 That doesn't even make any sense.

00:33:43.000 That's so weird.

00:33:45.000 I mean, five pounds is not that much of a difference.

00:33:48.000 It's not.

00:33:49.000 But it would be nice if there was a ten pound gap.

00:33:52.000 I don't know.

00:33:53.000 They both...

00:33:54.000 I mean, Del Sanchez has fought successfully at 170. He looked great when he fought Lawler.

00:33:59.000 Beat Magnum, too.

00:34:00.000 Yeah, but I feel like he's probably a guy that should be 165, too.

00:34:04.000 They can make it like a 162 or something, 163, something like that.

00:34:08.000 I don't know. 0.94

00:34:09.000 We're probably just fucking whistling in the wind, though. 0.93

00:34:12.000 They have their ideas. 0.96

00:34:16.000 I don't want to run that business.

00:34:17.000 I don't want to tell them what to do. 1.00

00:34:19.000 Fuck running that. 1.00

00:34:20.000 Imagine being running the UFC. What a nightmare that would be. 1.00

00:34:23.000 Depends how much money you can pay for it, right?

00:34:25.000 I guess. 0.98

00:34:25.000 Still, once you have all that money for a few years and then you're dealing with high blood pressure and your fucking panic attacks in the middle of the night. 0.98

00:34:33.000 They got things for high blood pressure that are pretty good. 0.94

00:34:35.000 They do?

00:34:36.000 Yeah.

00:34:37.000 Marijuana.

00:34:38.000 That does help.

00:34:39.000 What's it like in Florida getting weed?

00:34:41.000 Is it hard now? 1.00

00:34:43.000 Florida's a fucking mafia, man. 1.00

00:34:45.000 And I'm going to get killed for this. 1.00

00:34:46.000 But you know, every state went legal and had the flour and shit. 0.99

00:34:49.000 We only had wax. 0.99

00:34:50.000 That's it?

00:34:51.000 That's it, man.

00:34:52.000 And that's for medical, right?

00:34:53.000 Yeah, for medical.

00:34:54.000 They're literally about to become...

00:34:56.000 I think flour just became legal in Florida or it's about to become legal.

00:34:59.000 Medical, right?

00:35:00.000 Yeah, medical.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, no just smoking the smoke.

00:35:05.000 I wonder if they're going to be easy with the medical recommendations the way they used to be for opiates.

00:35:11.000 Opiates, you'd be able to get oxys with, like, just go to a doctor, one of those little pain management centers.

00:35:16.000 Oh, in Florida.

00:35:17.000 Yeah.

00:35:17.000 Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

00:35:18.000 I wonder how hard it's going to be to get weed, because obviously there's someone who's spending some money trying to keep it from being fully legal there.

00:35:27.000 Yes, yes.

00:35:27.000 Yeah.

00:35:28.000 And I think a big part of it is because, like, South Florida culture, there's a lot of natural growers over there.

00:35:35.000 They grew, like, it's always been a big business.

00:35:38.000 It's legal, of course, to grow marijuana in Florida and sell it, you know, especially in Miami, Florida.

00:35:43.000 And a lot of people did this.

00:35:44.000 So I think when the rules came about legalizing medically marijuana, they said, we're not going to have plants because everybody's going to grow plants.

00:35:51.000 And, you know, it's like we can't really charge them because it's legal, you know.

00:35:55.000 So that's why I think they did the wax.

00:35:57.000 You can't grow the wax in the air.

00:35:59.000 It's hard to manufacture.

00:35:59.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:36:01.000 And I don't really agree.

00:36:02.000 It's like smoking wax.

00:36:03.000 Like somebody giving me wax, like, oh, here, smoke this.

00:36:05.000 I don't really know what's in there. 1.00

00:36:06.000 It always feels like that from cocaine to crack, people thought, oh, it's still cocaine, and then you're fucking crackhead, you know? 0.94

00:36:13.000 So the wax always, I don't care how many times somebody tells me, no, this is super safe. 0.97

00:36:17.000 I get it, you know, but I'd rather the flour if I'm going to smoke.

00:36:21.000 Yeah, it's pure.

00:36:22.000 But apparently, one of the things they're dealing with in California is pesticides.

00:36:26.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:36:27.000 Some weed grown by shitty growers has pesticides on it. 0.99

00:36:32.000 You're smoking these pesticides. 0.97

00:36:34.000 I mean, this is why it should be legal, so you can test things.

00:36:38.000 Exactly.

00:36:38.000 Test things and find out what's pure and what's not.

00:36:40.000 Make things organic.

00:36:42.000 Only the best of the best make it to that other side, you know.

00:36:46.000 Yeah.

00:36:47.000 I don't know.

00:36:48.000 It's just weird.

00:36:49.000 It's so easy to get opiates in Florida.

00:36:53.000 It's so hard to get weed.

00:36:54.000 I wouldn't know nothing about that.

00:36:55.000 I wouldn't know nothing about that either.

00:36:59.000 So when you look at the landscape now, you're obviously in the running for a shot at the title.

00:37:06.000 Has anybody given you any indication of what you would have to do to get a shot at Usman or to be next in line? 1.00

00:37:14.000 Well, the next one is this idiot. 0.99

00:37:16.000 I won't even mention his name on your show because I'm not going to make him famous. 1.00

00:37:20.000 He's a fucking idiot, you know? 1.00

00:37:22.000 But fight this guy and then go for the title. 1.00

00:37:24.000 That's what they told me.

00:37:25.000 So you have to fight somebody else?

00:37:26.000 Yeah.

00:37:27.000 What does his name rhyme with?

00:37:31.000 Dolby?

00:37:32.000 No, no, no.

00:37:37.000 You don't want to say who he is?

00:37:38.000 No, I was trying to think of something.

00:37:39.000 Oh, Leon Edwards?

00:37:40.000 No, no, no.

00:37:41.000 He just made that guy famous too.

00:37:43.000 I think you made him famous a couple weeks ago.

00:37:46.000 I know.

00:37:47.000 Who?

00:37:50.000 Schmen, yeah.

00:37:54.000 Oh, that's right.

00:37:56.000 You're supposed to fight at Ben Askren in July. 1.00

00:37:58.000 That fucking dork. 1.00

00:37:59.000 You don't like him. 1.00

00:38:00.000 Not one bit.

00:38:01.000 Really?

00:38:02.000 Not one bit, nah.

00:38:03.000 Not as a person.

00:38:03.000 Why did I forget that fight was scheduled?

00:38:07.000 What's the problem with Ben Askren? 0.99

00:38:10.000 He's that new age, you know, and he's like a fucking 40-year-old science teacher, too. 0.98

00:38:14.000 I don't know why he asked him his new age. 0.99

00:38:16.000 But he's like these new age dudes who just fucking talk. 0.97

00:38:19.000 Like, just talk and talk and talk about everybody. 1.00

00:38:22.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:38:23.000 Because when somebody sees you in person, you're not that guy in... 1.00

00:38:27.000 Like I said, I don't come from this technology world. 1.00

00:38:30.000 I come from like, if you say like, yo, fucking Joe, you're a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:38:37.000 What are you going to punch me in the face? 1.00

00:38:38.000 I better be ready for it. 0.73

00:38:40.000 I'm just not going around disrespecting people.

00:38:42.000 I get taught respect because if not, somebody's going to make you respect.

00:38:45.000 But these guys nowadays, they grow up with these little things. 0.99

00:38:48.000 They can just say whatever the fuck they want. 0.99

00:38:51.000 Words carry weight. 1.00

00:38:52.000 Especially my kids can read your stupid comments. 1.00

00:38:54.000 My kids have access to the internet now. 1.00

00:38:57.000 I just don't like him, you know.

00:38:58.000 One incident I remind you, when Khabib won the title, right?

00:39:02.000 And Benny Miller comes out, I'm Khabib's kryptonite, I would smash him or something like that. 1.00

00:39:07.000 For starters, you're a 70-pounder, you fucking moron. 1.00

00:39:10.000 He's a 55-pounder and you're not even in the UFC, you know? 1.00

00:39:13.000 He's that type of guy, an attention whore. 0.99

00:39:15.000 Look at me, look at me. 1.00

00:39:17.000 I don't even like his fighting style.

00:39:19.000 I like a lot of wrestlers' style because if that's what you did and you're imposing it and winning, awesome.

00:39:23.000 But when your sole purpose is just to hug somebody's leg as hard as you can.

00:39:28.000 I don't know what you think about the Robbie fight, but he didn't win that fight in my eyes.

00:39:33.000 Robbie was not asleep.

00:39:34.000 We watched that fight several times.

00:39:35.000 We watched that fight several times.

00:39:37.000 I thought that Robbie was asleep for a second, and then Usman showed it to me, and then I changed my mind, and then Herb Dean came on and talked about it, and I changed my mind again because Herb Dean was saying that what he was concerned with was the way the arm dropped, and that it was a cervical lock.

00:39:52.000 Essentially, when you have a bulldog choke, it puts...

00:39:55.000 Puts some serious leverage on your neck.

00:39:57.000 He's seen guys go out from that and their whole body goes paralyzed.

00:40:01.000 He saw a guy where that happened to him.

00:40:03.000 He came back. 0.96

00:40:04.000 He got his movement back again, but for a while it was pretty fucking scary. 0.97

00:40:07.000 So he was getting choked out by getting his neck pinched. 0.95

00:40:10.000 It was pinching down the nerve.

00:40:11.000 He was worried that that was happening with Robbie.

00:40:13.000 He said the way his arm dropped, he goes, it wasn't normal.

00:40:16.000 And he gave me some serious concern.

00:40:19.000 Ben Askren said that he let go of the choke a little bit when Herb came over to him because he thought Herb was going to stop it because he thought Robbie was out.

00:40:26.000 And he thinks that during that time when he let go, Robbie came back to life.

00:40:30.000 Which could have happened.

00:40:32.000 I don't know.

00:40:33.000 It's hard for me to say.

00:40:34.000 But I feel like in Herb Dean's situation, I think he did the right thing. 0.98

00:40:37.000 Because the arm dropping was fucking weird. 0.83

00:40:40.000 Yeah, the arm dropping was a little weird. 0.98

00:40:42.000 Yeah.

00:40:44.000 But he wasn't out.

00:40:45.000 I've never seen nobody go to sleep doing this.

00:40:47.000 You know?

00:40:48.000 I've seen people go to sleep.

00:40:49.000 Ashley Evans Smith went to sleep.

00:40:51.000 With the thumbs up?

00:40:52.000 With the thumbs up.

00:40:52.000 But here's what Herb said that made sense.

00:40:55.000 He goes, was it the thumbs up?

00:40:56.000 He goes, I want a thumbs up.

00:40:58.000 If someone looks at me, I want this.

00:40:59.000 I want this.

00:41:00.000 It's not, is your arm down in that position?

00:41:04.000 He goes, was it this?

00:41:05.000 Did he do this?

00:41:07.000 Or was his arm down?

00:41:08.000 I don't know.

00:41:08.000 Only Robbie knows whether or not he was out.

00:41:10.000 He says he wasn't.

00:41:11.000 So you have to also say, He's in the middle of war.

00:41:16.000 Exactly.

00:41:17.000 If it's up to me, I want the guy to go peace sign with the cheese.

00:41:20.000 The guy's defending a choke.

00:41:21.000 That's true.

00:41:22.000 But that was the other thing that Herb said.

00:41:23.000 He didn't grab for the choke.

00:41:25.000 He said the natural defense would be to get his hands on the hands and try to separate them.

00:41:30.000 He didn't do that.

00:41:31.000 But that's Herb's natural defense. 0.99

00:41:33.000 Maybe Robbie, because he's seen this guy do it, has a fucking thing. 0.99

00:41:36.000 Maybe Robbie... 1.00

00:41:38.000 Can't be put to sleep from there.

00:41:39.000 There's guys that are weird like that.

00:41:41.000 Certain positions, they can go three minutes, you're choking them, and then they don't go to sleep.

00:41:45.000 Maybe Robbie's that guy.

00:41:46.000 All I know is he wasn't sleeping.

00:41:48.000 Yeah, well, that's what Robbie said.

00:41:49.000 Robbie said that he was waiting for Ben to tire his arms out.

00:41:52.000 That's what he said.

00:41:53.000 He said he felt the squeeze.

00:41:55.000 He said the squeeze is really tight, but he's like, I'll just let him gas his arms out here.

00:41:59.000 That was his thought.

00:42:01.000 Look, I mean, Michael Chiesa said that when Kevin Lee got his back and they stopped the fight before he went out.

00:42:06.000 He said, I let my hands go because I was concentrating on my neck.

00:42:08.000 I was just tightening up my neck and trying to keep my blood flowing.

00:42:13.000 I think that one was a little different.

00:42:14.000 That one was the rear naked, you know? 0.73

00:42:15.000 Yeah, it was different.

00:42:16.000 So that's, you're gonna go to sleep eventually.

00:42:18.000 And that one, let a guy go to sleep.

00:42:20.000 Like, that one, you should let a guy go to sleep. 0.98

00:42:22.000 Let him.

00:42:23.000 Yeah.

00:42:23.000 Nothing happens.

00:42:24.000 You just wake them right up.

00:42:25.000 Hey, you went to sleep.

00:42:26.000 Maybe they pee their pants while they went to sleep.

00:42:28.000 No big deal.

00:42:29.000 There's certain neck cracks where you just go.

00:42:32.000 No, but that one's not going to put you in a wheelchair. 1.00

00:42:34.000 Especially not from Ben's ass, man. 1.00

00:42:36.000 Probably. 1.00

00:42:39.000 So, your take is on all of this trash-talking media hype shit that you see going on now. 0.99

00:42:48.000 You don't like it. 0.99

00:42:49.000 I don't.

00:42:50.000 I don't.

00:42:50.000 I think I fast-forward.

00:42:53.000 It's distasteful right now to a certain point.

00:42:55.000 But if you just fast-forward to the guys like me when I was 14 years old watching this sport, now you're looking at the dudes right now doing it.

00:43:02.000 You're going to grow up and think... 1.00

00:43:03.000 Oh, I got to do the same shit. 1.00

00:43:05.000 I just got to fucking talk. 1.00

00:43:06.000 A shitload of shit. 1.00

00:43:07.000 I don't really got to go to the gym that much. 1.00

00:43:09.000 Just got to have a banging, lit social network account. 0.97

00:43:13.000 And I'm fucking golden, you know? 0.97

00:43:14.000 And we see it, you know? 0.98

00:43:16.000 Sage North, for example, you know?

00:43:18.000 Great talent and stuff.

00:43:19.000 But what he was getting paid out didn't make sense to a lot of the fighters, you know?

00:43:24.000 Why was he getting paid so much?

00:43:25.000 Because of the social media?

00:43:26.000 But is he really bringing in those people into the chairs and into the TV because you have a lot of likes?

00:43:32.000 It's the things that I wonder.

00:43:33.000 Not to diss the girls or anything, but sometimes girls have a tremendous amount of followers. 1.00

00:43:38.000 Do those numbers translate to viewers on the TV or butts in seats or any of that?

00:43:45.000 I would like to know.

00:43:46.000 A lot of times when I've asked people in the UFC and stuff, they say, no, those numbers don't translate.

00:43:52.000 So why do they get more money?

00:43:54.000 I'm not talking about the girls getting more money than us.

00:43:55.000 I'm talking about guys that have a social media presence that are just getting more money.

00:43:59.000 Don't you think it's going to translate a certain amount?

00:44:03.000 No, I'm sure it does.

00:44:04.000 I'm sure it does.

00:44:04.000 Guys like Colby, Colby's got to translate.

00:44:06.000 I mean, he talks so much shit. 0.99

00:44:08.000 He gets people excited about the fights. 1.00

00:44:11.000 There's something to it.

00:44:13.000 I don't know.

00:44:15.000 I appreciate what you're saying, though.

00:44:16.000 Look, I appreciate the way 1FC handles things.

00:44:19.000 Because they concentrate on just fighters being honorable and fighting their best and fighting the best fighters they can fight. 0.98

00:44:25.000 And they don't emphasize that shit talking at all. 0.97

00:44:28.000 They emphasize the martial arts aspect of it. 0.99

00:44:30.000 I get it.

00:44:30.000 Me and you don't like each other.

00:44:32.000 Jon Jones and DC. I love it because you can feel these guys don't like each other.

00:44:36.000 Yeah, you feel it. 0.99

00:44:37.000 They fucking kill each other, you know? 1.00

00:44:38.000 But to me, it's okay. 1.00

00:44:39.000 Everybody's doing it.

00:44:40.000 When Max Holloway fought Dustin, there was none of that.

00:44:43.000 There was just two guys who were the best in their weight class.

00:44:46.000 I mean, Max is the best 145-pounder ever, and Dustin Poirier is absolutely one of the best 155-pounders alive, and they're going to go after it.

00:44:54.000 And it was beautiful.

00:44:55.000 Two dogs.

00:44:55.000 It was beautiful.

00:44:56.000 No barking, just biting and fighting.

00:44:58.000 Shaking hands, full respect, before and after. 1.00

00:45:02.000 And I get a lot of people like, they have that I hate you syndrome going into a fight, so they don't want to shake hands, like, fuck you, I don't like you, you know? 0.98

00:45:10.000 But when they're giving so much attention to that WWF stuff and pushing you to the forefront, that I don't really like, you know? 0.99

00:45:19.000 And just to think that the kids watching it are going to be even worse.

00:45:23.000 They're going to do it to the next power, you know?

00:45:25.000 Did...

00:45:26.000 Did you get upset?

00:45:27.000 I mean, when you went over and got into a fight with Leon, you were being interviewed. 0.98

00:45:33.000 He was yelling some shit at you while you were being interviewed. 0.94

00:45:36.000 And you walked over, and one of the things that I like what you said is you walked over your hands behind your back. 0.99

00:45:42.000 You're like, talk. 0.99

00:45:43.000 Say what the fuck you want to say to me. 1.00

00:45:45.000 But then when he was standing in front of you like he wanted to punch you, you're like, okay. 1.00

00:45:49.000 What was he saying to you?

00:45:52.000 Well, initially, I was doing my interview and he's crossing by and he's with his corner man.

00:45:57.000 And I don't know if this guy consumes a lot of drugs or what, that he thought that that would intimidate him.

00:46:04.000 He was walking like this, looking at me and pacing back and forth.

00:46:08.000 I'm trying to do my interview, you know?

00:46:10.000 And he asked me something about something, a date.

00:46:13.000 And I say, maybe, maybe not.

00:46:15.000 And then he tells me to shut up.

00:46:18.000 Everybody watching this back home from Miami was like, you should have punched him as soon as he asked you a question while you're in your interview.

00:46:24.000 Because that's my natural instinct. 1.00

00:46:25.000 If you're getting interviewed and some fucking idiot comes here and cuts your interview off, you should get punches slapped upside your head. 1.00

00:46:33.000 That'll teach you respect, not to do it to nobody else again. 1.00

00:46:35.000 I should have immediately done it, but I didn't.

00:46:37.000 I answered his question politely.

00:46:39.000 Maybe, maybe not. 0.95

00:46:40.000 He goes on to say shut up after that. 0.85

00:46:43.000 I can't take that. 0.93

00:46:44.000 My daughter might be watching this interview.

00:46:46.000 I've been telling her, stand up to bullies your whole life.

00:46:49.000 Don't go running to somebody and telling them, so-and-so is picking on me.

00:46:52.000 Handle it yourself.

00:46:52.000 That's what's wrong with this country, I think, with this whole, if somebody picks on you, go tell somebody else.

00:46:56.000 I'm not going to tell authorities this hooligan's picking on me.

00:46:59.000 I'm going to handle it myself, you know?

00:47:01.000 Because I'm going to see him again.

00:47:02.000 He's going to think he can pick on me.

00:47:03.000 I've got to handle it myself, you know?

00:47:05.000 I'm in my interview, man.

00:47:06.000 You're going to steal my moment.

00:47:07.000 I just worked out here. 0.99

00:47:08.000 I just kicked some butt out here. 0.98

00:47:10.000 You barely want a split decision in your own country. 0.99

00:47:13.000 I knocked this dude out, and you're trying to steal my shine like this?

00:47:16.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:47:17.000 And then he got famous off that, which I hate.

00:47:19.000 It's the only thing I could take back about that night, that it wasn't filmed.

00:47:23.000 If they hadn't filmed it, it'd be even better, you know?

00:47:25.000 He was just gone off in silence, you know? 0.99

00:47:27.000 Leon got his ass split. 0.98

00:47:28.000 But I think it helped you, too. 0.99

00:47:30.000 Did it help me?

00:47:30.000 Yeah, but it helped him more than anything.

00:47:32.000 Nah! 0.99

00:47:32.000 Yeah! 0.99

00:47:33.000 No, it helped you.

00:47:35.000 People know who this hooligan is. 1.00

00:47:36.000 People know Masvidal doesn't take any shit. 1.00

00:47:38.000 People have known that since... 1.00

00:47:39.000 They know, but they like to see it.

00:47:41.000 Since before Rainbows Had Color, they already knew that, man.

00:47:43.000 They didn't need to see me whooping this to know that.

00:47:46.000 People like to see it.

00:47:47.000 They like to see it.

00:47:48.000 They like to get remembered, huh?

00:47:49.000 Yeah.

00:47:50.000 They like to see people... 1.00

00:47:52.000 Have consequences for shit talking in this weird era of constant shit talking, you know? 1.00

00:47:58.000 I think people enjoy it. 1.00

00:47:59.000 They like it.

00:48:00.000 And if you guys ever fight, it makes it a bigger fight, for sure.

00:48:05.000 I guess, man.

00:48:06.000 Let me guess.

00:48:07.000 But does that, like, I beat number three.

00:48:09.000 I've been in this sport for a while.

00:48:10.000 I've been beating up guys.

00:48:12.000 Would that validate him to fight me?

00:48:14.000 Not yet.

00:48:15.000 He hasn't beaten a top ten guy yet.

00:48:16.000 No.

00:48:17.000 He's still yet to be the top ten guy, you know?

00:48:19.000 But he could get that fight off that.

00:48:20.000 That's the new age and era that we're in, you know?

00:48:23.000 Right.

00:48:23.000 That's a concern.

00:48:24.000 Yeah, that's a concern.

00:48:28.000 When he's beating a top 10 guy, I'm going to be the first guy to expose him, to break his face.

00:48:34.000 But until that moment comes, you're talking about the business side.

00:48:36.000 Because you already saw on the personal side, any day of the week, I will address you.

00:48:40.000 But on the business side, get to my level, buddy. 0.99

00:48:44.000 Put in the fucking word. 1.00

00:48:45.000 Go beat a top 10 guy. 1.00

00:48:47.000 Knock him the fuck out. 1.00

00:48:48.000 Did you worry at all about getting in trouble for punching someone in another country? 1.00

00:48:52.000 I was scared out of my fucking life, Joe. 0.99

00:48:54.000 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. 0.99

00:48:55.000 I was scared.

00:48:55.000 I thought this guy was going to kill me, man.

00:48:58.000 I might have not looked it, but I was scared out of my life.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:49:01.000 I'm very cold-blooded, you know?

00:49:03.000 I get that from genetics, from my pops and them, but I was scared out of my mind.

00:49:07.000 I thought this guy was going to take everything I had, you know?

00:49:09.000 You had to do that.

00:49:10.000 I had to defend myself.

00:49:11.000 I understand it.

00:49:12.000 I understand. 0.96

00:49:12.000 But did you worry at all about them arresting you or any weird shit like that over there? 0.96

00:49:17.000 I mean, you're in another country. 0.92

00:49:17.000 I wanted to press charges. 0.92

00:49:19.000 Ah.

00:49:20.000 That's how scared I was, but I'm not going to press charges because I'm a man.

00:49:23.000 Yeah.

00:49:24.000 But that's how I felt.

00:49:25.000 You were in danger. 0.98

00:49:26.000 I was fucking hell of in danger. 0.96

00:49:28.000 I understand. 0.97

00:49:29.000 It was not just one assailant.

00:49:31.000 It was him and his crew of hooligans.

00:49:33.000 Ah, hooligans.

00:49:35.000 Lawless people.

00:49:36.000 I had to defend myself.

00:49:37.000 I did everything in my right to defend myself.

00:49:38.000 It was one against like three or four dudes, and they know it.

00:49:41.000 It's on video.

00:49:43.000 Okay, I understand.

00:49:44.000 I understand.

00:49:45.000 And so, what did the police say to that?

00:49:48.000 Oh, they didn't tell me nothing, man. 1.00

00:49:49.000 They didn't tell you shit? 0.99

00:49:50.000 I didn't speak to no police. 0.99

00:49:51.000 That's amazing.

00:49:52.000 No, no police for me.

00:49:53.000 No talking to police.

00:49:54.000 Anyways.

00:49:55.000 You started to be up in the Spanglish immediately.

00:49:58.000 No, no, no.

00:49:59.000 We go on mute and not pickin' English.

00:50:01.000 Huh?

00:50:02.000 Que? 0.89

00:50:03.000 No pick English. 0.99

00:50:04.000 Yeah.

00:50:05.000 I mean, how many times have you fought in England before?

00:50:07.000 Well, first time.

00:50:08.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 So, like, if you go the rest of your career and you can't go to England, oh, well.

00:50:12.000 No, that would suck, though.

00:50:13.000 I really liked England.

00:50:14.000 Did you?

00:50:15.000 Fans were so knowledgeable.

00:50:16.000 Yeah.

00:50:16.000 And they were just cool.

00:50:17.000 Even the ones that were, like, Till fans would say, like, a funny joke to me or something cool, but it wasn't, like, that weird, bad energy, you know?

00:50:24.000 Even if they were Till fans, just be like, oh...

00:50:26.000 My boy Till's gonna get you, but it'd be funny and how they say cheeky.

00:50:30.000 It was a great experience.

00:50:32.000 Everywhere I went, the people were super, super duper cool.

00:50:34.000 Yeah, Brazil's rough if someone's fighting a Brazilian.

00:50:39.000 I've heard the story.

00:50:40.000 I've yet to fight a Brazilian.

00:50:41.000 They're super nationalistic and proud.

00:50:43.000 Very proud.

00:50:44.000 So they're not into people coming over there and fighting Brazilians.

00:50:48.000 They're not gonna be friendly to you.

00:50:49.000 But England's different, man.

00:50:50.000 They're very polite.

00:50:52.000 Very knowledgeable, too.

00:50:53.000 They're one of the countries that's been around for a while with the sport.

00:50:55.000 Yeah.

00:50:57.000 What'd you think about that Stylebender-Gaslam fight?

00:50:59.000 Oh, that was pretty good, man. 1.00

00:51:00.000 That was wild shit. 1.00

00:51:02.000 That was pretty good. 1.00

00:51:03.000 Tested.

00:51:03.000 Both.

00:51:04.000 Both tested, exactly.

00:51:05.000 Yeah, both tested.

00:51:06.000 Gaslam's got a ton of heart, man.

00:51:09.000 He's a tank.

00:51:10.000 Was nobody gonna get mad at him if in the fifth round he said, you know what?

00:51:13.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:51:14.000 He just fucking didn't stop. 0.99

00:51:15.000 Kept going. 0.99

00:51:16.000 Dug in.

00:51:17.000 Survived.

00:51:17.000 I mean, incredible.

00:51:18.000 It looked like Stylebender was gonna take him out several times.

00:51:21.000 Yeah.

00:51:21.000 I mean, what a fight!

00:51:23.000 And to have Kelvin land the first big shot early on and drop Stylebender and show him some real adversity and let him know, hey man, you get knocked the fuck out in this fight.

00:51:32.000 You know, that was a real awesome moment, man.

00:51:36.000 What a fight too, man.

00:51:38.000 Back and forth and, ooh, so much chaos.

00:51:41.000 And to have Kelvin head kick him and rock him. 1.00

00:51:44.000 How about that shit? 1.00

00:51:46.000 The thing that really rocked Stylebender was a fucking head kick from Calvin. 1.00

00:51:50.000 I thought Calvin would press him up against the cage, maybe get a takedown, but just definitely keep him up against the cage and work him there with his wrestling background. 0.97

00:51:59.000 I didn't see that going like that.

00:52:03.000 Yeah, there was some wild scrambles on the ground, too. 0.99

00:52:05.000 Was Tyle Bennett threw up that fucking triangle? 0.99

00:52:07.000 I was like, whoa, he's got a game on the ground. 0.99

00:52:09.000 No, he's a gifted athlete, man. 1.00

00:52:11.000 Fast as fuck, man. 1.00

00:52:13.000 And more than just gifted, you can tell he puts in the work. 1.00

00:52:15.000 Yeah, 100%. 1.00

00:52:16.000 He's smart as fuck. 1.00

00:52:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:18.000 He's smart and creative and just has a broad encyclopedia of, first of all, striking knowledge, but obviously when he went to the ground, he knew what the fuck to do, man. 0.96

00:52:27.000 He was throwing up triangles. 0.87

00:52:28.000 He locked Kelvin up in a triangle.

00:52:30.000 It's just...

00:52:31.000 They're slippery, and it's the end of the fight, and he popped out of it.

00:52:36.000 Obviously, Kelvin used the right technique to get out of it, too. 0.98

00:52:39.000 But that was a serious fucking triangle attempt. 0.98

00:52:41.000 It was a serious fight, man. 0.99

00:52:42.000 Serious fight!

00:52:43.000 You pay your hard-earned money for that fight.

00:52:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:45.000 Well, I hope enough people got a chance to watch it, because I don't know what that ESPN Plus debacle was.

00:52:52.000 Because apparently there were a bunch of people that couldn't get it.

00:52:54.000 Because you got to sign up right to the app.

00:52:57.000 And there was some crashes and some people wouldn't work on their device and they had to order it online and it still didn't work.

00:53:04.000 So all pay-per-views now are bought through ESPN. Yes.

00:53:08.000 Whoa, I didn't know that.

00:53:09.000 I thought it was just like some...

00:53:10.000 No, it's all of them from now on. 0.99

00:53:12.000 So you have DirecTV, tough shit. 0.98

00:53:15.000 You got to get it through ESPN+. I think it's a good move because I think in the future that's where everything's going to be. 0.98

00:53:20.000 I think the UFC just got way ahead of it. 0.97

00:53:22.000 Whereas most people are still boxing matches and shit. 0.96

00:53:24.000 You're getting most of them. 0.99

00:53:26.000 You're getting them off of pay-per-view on DirecTV or cable or whatever the fuck you use. 0.92

00:53:30.000 But now they're using that DAZN. DAZN has a lot of fights you get from that app.

00:53:36.000 A lot of boxing matches.

00:53:38.000 They're the ones who signed Canelo to that huge, huge deal. 0.98

00:53:41.000 They signed Triple G. So they're doing a lot of streaming shit, too. 0.98

00:53:46.000 Yeah, I saw a commercial with him the other day at Dave& Buster's with Tracy Morgan, I think. 0.97

00:53:51.000 Yeah.

00:53:52.000 Yeah, streaming, I think, is the future.

00:53:54.000 And I think that's why DAZN got way ahead of it.

00:53:56.000 And then ESPN Plus is getting way ahead of it, too.

00:53:58.000 I think they see where the writing on the wall is.

00:54:01.000 Yeah, just from here to there.

00:54:03.000 It's going to take a little bit of time.

00:54:05.000 Everybody's used to just pay-per-view, direct TV, you know, or whatever, Comcast.

00:54:09.000 People are going to get used to having their TV connected to the internet. 0.95

00:54:13.000 There's a lot of fucking people that don't have their TV connected to the internet. 0.99

00:54:18.000 I'm one of them. 0.99

00:54:19.000 Yeah, once people start using Apple TV and connect through that and get the app through Apple or use Android or whatever the fuck they use to get online, it'll be normal to have that on your TV in five years.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:33.000 But right now it's rough if you don't have that and you want to see the fights.

00:54:38.000 Or if you come from the Stone Age like me and you got to go to the internet labyrinth, it gets crazy, man.

00:54:44.000 Yeah, I wonder how the pay structure works.

00:54:46.000 Say if you get a title fight.

00:54:47.000 Say you beat Askren and then you get a title fight with Usman.

00:54:52.000 How do they do that with ESPN +, as opposed to pay-per-view points or something like that?

00:54:58.000 That's so true, man.

00:54:59.000 How does that work?

00:55:01.000 Yeah, look at you.

00:55:02.000 You're in pain.

00:55:03.000 No, I'm using brain power.

00:55:06.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:55:08.000 That requires energy.

00:55:10.000 Yeah.

00:55:11.000 That's why there's this gentleman by the name of Abraham Kawa.

00:55:13.000 I let him deal with all that, man.

00:55:14.000 It's a good move.

00:55:15.000 Yeah.

00:55:16.000 Let Abe handle it.

00:55:16.000 Yeah, he's been there, done that, and negotiated bigger contracts than mine.

00:55:20.000 So just, hey, bro, take care of this one, you know?

00:55:22.000 Now, this Askren fight, you're fighting him in July.

00:55:26.000 What is that, July 6th?

00:55:27.000 Yes, sir.

00:55:31.000 How much of a camp do you give yourself?

00:55:33.000 How much of a fully dedicated, just all-in camp?

00:55:39.000 If you look at him from a skill set, Ben's not even worth waking up before like 10 a.m.

00:55:46.000 in the morning.

00:55:47.000 But I don't like this dude, man.

00:55:49.000 Before my alarm goes off, I'm already awake. 1.00

00:55:51.000 I want to break his fucking face, man. 1.00

00:55:53.000 I want to break his fucking rib cage. 1.00

00:55:55.000 And I don't want to knock him out early on. 1.00

00:55:57.000 I just want to torture that guy, man. 0.97

00:55:59.000 If I get the chance to torture him for 14 minutes and 50 seconds before I stop him, that's what I'm going to do, man. 0.99

00:56:06.000 I just don't like this dude. 0.82

00:56:08.000 I met him a long time ago. 1.00

00:56:10.000 He's a fucking prick, man. 1.00

00:56:12.000 I don't like him, man. 1.00

00:56:13.000 There's not too many people that I genuinely dislike.

00:56:16.000 He's one of them, you know?

00:56:18.000 If I was to see him right now, probably wouldn't be too friendly of a greeting, you know? 0.98

00:56:25.000 Now, do you base this on how he talks shit and just plays around, tries to hype things up, or have you had a real conversation with him? 0.98

00:56:34.000 Combination of things. 0.99

00:56:36.000 I'm the type of dude that, if we train, you go to American Top Team Joe, and let's say I get lucky and I tap you out twice.

00:56:45.000 I'm not going to ever tell nobody that because that's not my glory moment. 0.99

00:56:49.000 That's just fucking training. 0.99

00:56:50.000 I don't give a fuck about that. 1.00

00:56:51.000 I already forgot about that. 0.98

00:56:52.000 But there's some people that violate that man code of gym.

00:56:56.000 They go, I went to American Top Team. 1.00

00:56:58.000 He's that type of pussy. 1.00

00:57:01.000 He's talking about gym stores. 1.00

00:57:02.000 He came over to American Top Team after I dumped him on his head.

00:57:05.000 We kept wrestling.

00:57:06.000 He outscrambled me and he said, yeah, you beat me wrestling.

00:57:09.000 We were straight wrestling.

00:57:11.000 Two-time national champion.

00:57:12.000 You're proud of that?

00:57:13.000 You're telling people that?

00:57:15.000 And that just shows me his character.

00:57:17.000 He's not who he pretends to be.

00:57:20.000 And then he talks so much online that I could have respected him a little bit if he had held to his guns, but I see him in London.

00:57:27.000 And as soon as I see him, I start walking towards him.

00:57:29.000 He goes, hey, man, I'm going to spare you.

00:57:32.000 I'm not going to say nothing until after your fight. 0.99

00:57:35.000 Ben, don't do me no fucking favors, bro. 0.98

00:57:37.000 You're not doing me no favors. 1.00

00:57:38.000 Say whatever the fuck you want when you want it, you know? 0.98

00:57:40.000 And I addressed him, and I went up to talk to him, and UFC got involved. 0.98

00:57:44.000 He put his head down, and they escorted him out of the hotel, and he never came back to that hotel, you know?

00:57:49.000 And he actually wished me good luck at some point, too, like right before.

00:57:51.000 Like, why are you doing this, man?

00:57:53.000 You're not that person on social media that you portray to be.

00:57:57.000 You're not, you know? 1.00

00:57:58.000 So you're fake as fuck. 1.00

00:58:00.000 You're selling something to the public that is not there, obviously. 1.00

00:58:03.000 And you're a coward. 1.00

00:58:04.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:58:05.000 Let's throw that in there too. 1.00

00:58:06.000 And if people don't believe me, tune in July 6th. 0.99

00:58:08.000 I'll show you how much of a coward he is. 0.99

00:58:09.000 Just to play devil's advocate. 0.98

00:58:11.000 Don't you think that what he's doing is smart marketing?

00:58:15.000 To play devil's advocate.

00:58:15.000 I know you don't like it.

00:58:16.000 I know you don't like it.

00:58:17.000 But to play devil's advocate.

00:58:20.000 But it's corny though.

00:58:21.000 When he looks back, it's corny.

00:58:24.000 Like ain't nobody going, oh!

00:58:26.000 He just wants validation.

00:58:28.000 He wants to be accepted, you know?

00:58:29.000 I think half of what he's doing is corny on purpose. 1.00

00:58:32.000 All that boom roasted shit. 1.00

00:58:33.000 Come on, man. 1.00

00:58:35.000 Half that stuff is corny on purpose.

00:58:37.000 No, no, no.

00:58:37.000 That guy, you haven't seen him and you haven't hung around with him.

00:58:39.000 That guy's just fucking corny. 0.99

00:58:41.000 It's in his DNA, bro. 0.99

00:58:42.000 I like him.

00:58:43.000 I like talking to him. 1.00

00:58:44.000 He's a smart motherfucker. 1.00

00:58:46.000 I might be smart, man, but he's a corny motherfucker, bro. 1.00

00:58:49.000 You know? 1.00

00:58:49.000 And he's cocky for all the wrong reasons. 1.00

00:58:52.000 I just can't wait, man.

00:58:53.000 I love the fact that you're a purist like this, though.

00:58:55.000 I really do.

00:58:56.000 I want to hurt that, dude.

00:58:58.000 I know you do. 0.99

00:59:00.000 I want to hurt that, dude.

00:59:01.000 It's going to be a great fight.

00:59:02.000 It's one of those interesting fights because you've got good wrestling, takedown defense.

00:59:07.000 You've got very good wrestling.

00:59:08.000 You've got very good takedowns yourself.

00:59:10.000 But you clearly have a big advantage in striking.

00:59:13.000 So it's one of those, can he impose his will?

00:59:16.000 Can he get a hold of you? 1.00

00:59:18.000 You shouldn't get a hold of these fucking nuts, man. 1.00

00:59:20.000 This dude, bro. 1.00

00:59:27.000 I just-- I've had numerous people talk shit to me in the past, but they'll say it to my face, and man, I gain respect for you. 0.98

00:59:34.000 Cool, bro. 0.99

00:59:34.000 I'm a punk or whatever you call it. 0.99

00:59:36.000 You said it to my fucking face, you know? 1.00

00:59:38.000 But you say it online. 1.00

00:59:39.000 It's just the whole way it gets said about it.

00:59:41.000 You say it online, and then when you see me, what's up?

00:59:43.000 Hey, how are you?

00:59:45.000 Picture?

00:59:45.000 Picture me?

00:59:47.000 Are you fucking kidding me, man? 1.00

00:59:49.000 What the fuck is it? 1.00

00:59:50.000 I feel like I've been brought out from a twilight zone, from a different dimension sometimes. 0.99

00:59:55.000 Because a lot of these rapper fighters that you see acting like criminals on the social media, when they see me, hey, what's up, bro? 0.94

01:00:02.000 Let me get a picture of how I fucking fanboyed out. 0.99

01:00:04.000 I go, man, I could have sworn you were just mentioning my name saying some shit, bro. 1.00

01:00:09.000 That's fucking nuts to me. 1.00

01:00:11.000 It blows my mind. 1.00

01:00:13.000 Right.

01:00:13.000 I'm such a simpleton, bro.

01:00:15.000 It just blows my mind every time. 0.83

01:00:16.000 No, you're a purist.

01:00:18.000 I don't know if it's a pure or simple.

01:00:19.000 I don't know where you want to put me, but it's mind-blowing.

01:00:21.000 You just don't want to play that game.

01:00:23.000 You're not interested in that game.

01:00:24.000 It's mind-blowing.

01:00:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:25.000 Listen, Khabib's not interested in that fucking game either. 1.00

01:00:27.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:00:28.000 When he was on top of Conor, let's talk now.

01:00:30.000 Bam! 0.98

01:00:30.000 Let's talk. 0.98

01:00:31.000 Come on, Conor.

01:00:31.000 Let's talk.

01:00:32.000 Let's talk now. 1.00

01:00:33.000 I love that shit. 1.00

01:00:33.000 Same shit. 1.00

01:00:34.000 Purist. 1.00

01:00:34.000 I love it. 1.00

01:00:35.000 I love that shit, bro. 1.00

01:00:36.000 I do. 1.00

01:00:37.000 I appreciate when that shit-talking has consequences. 1.00

01:00:40.000 I like some shit-talking though. 0.99

01:00:43.000 It's fun. 1.00

01:00:43.000 I like shit-talking when you back it up. 1.00

01:00:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:46.000 Back that shit up. 1.00

01:00:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:48.000 Now you see me in a hallway lobby and fucking run to security and get escorted out. 1.00

01:00:52.000 Who's the guy you fought in the past you had the most beef with before you actually fought? 0.98

01:00:57.000 I don't know.

01:01:05.000 I never really had like...

01:01:06.000 Real beat?

01:01:07.000 Nah.

01:01:07.000 So not like this fight?

01:01:09.000 Like Till and you went back and forth a little bit, right?

01:01:13.000 No, no, no.

01:01:13.000 No?

01:01:14.000 We went back and forth like, hey, you want to fight?

01:01:15.000 Yeah, let's do it. 1.00

01:01:16.000 All right, fuck it. 1.00

01:01:17.000 Boom, boom, boom. 1.00

01:01:17.000 But we never... 1.00

01:01:18.000 But it was pretty respectful.

01:01:19.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 Till's a cool dude, man.

01:01:21.000 What about Cowboy?

01:01:23.000 I mean, yeah, a little bit of beef, you know?

01:01:25.000 Nothing crazy. 0.98

01:01:26.000 Like, if I see him in the street, we're going to start fucking fighting or nothing, you know? 0.97

01:01:29.000 Is that what you mean by, like, beef or just, like, we're going back and forth? 1.00

01:01:32.000 Yeah, like talking shit to each other. 0.99

01:01:33.000 Yeah, me and Cabo, yeah, you're right. 1.00

01:01:35.000 Me and Cabo, we're talking a lot of shit back and forth to each other, you know? 0.99

01:01:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:01:39.000 Yeah.

01:01:40.000 It's coming from genuine places, from both sides, you know?

01:01:43.000 So it was good.

01:01:43.000 It gave that fire, you know?

01:01:45.000 Yeah.

01:01:45.000 Yeah, that's definitely one.

01:01:47.000 It came from, like, a little bit of hostility.

01:01:48.000 But not like this Askren one.

01:01:51.000 I respect the cowboy going into that fight, you know? 0.95

01:01:53.000 Obviously, I think he's a fucking stud, bro, and he proves it again by having the most wins, most knockouts, submissions. 0.98

01:02:00.000 Dude's a stud. 0.99

01:02:01.000 I don't think Askren's even yet to get a win in the UFC. I just think about it like, if I had fought Robbie Lawler, which was a great champion and has done amazing things in the sport since the start of Robbie till now, the guy's still fighting, man.

01:02:16.000 I remember watching him in the UFC back in the day, knocking out Tiki.

01:02:20.000 UFC 37 and a half. 0.99

01:02:21.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:02:22.000 That's what he came along. 1.00

01:02:23.000 37 and a half. 0.99

01:02:24.000 This guy's still fucking laying people the fuck out. 0.99

01:02:26.000 Still. 0.99

01:02:27.000 It looked amazing.

01:02:28.000 It looked, yeah. 0.97

01:02:28.000 It looked fucking amazing. 0.97

01:02:30.000 It looked amazing physically when he hoisted Askren up the air and dumped him on his head and then started just driving his fucking knuckles through his brain. 0.99

01:02:37.000 And it shows you how tough Askren is. 0.99

01:02:39.000 The dude's durable as fuck, man. 0.99

01:02:41.000 He handled that. 0.99

01:02:43.000 He's built for survival.

01:02:44.000 Even by his body type, you can tell.

01:02:47.000 Physiologically, he's just built for a guy like me to put him under the radar.

01:02:50.000 Like, oh, this guy's not a threat.

01:02:51.000 Look at him.

01:02:52.000 You know?

01:02:52.000 But it's not going to work.

01:02:54.000 I already know what to do to this guy and just fucking hurt him, man. 1.00

01:02:57.000 Even the way he's fucking built is for patheticness, man. 1.00

01:03:00.000 But let's skip the subject, man. 1.00

01:03:02.000 Let's go to somebody else, man.

01:03:03.000 Make this guy famous on your show.

01:03:04.000 That's too late.

01:03:06.000 Too late, yeah.

01:03:07.000 Well, listen, man.

01:03:08.000 When they put his picture up on the marquee, he gets a big pop.

01:03:11.000 It's crazy.

01:03:11.000 People love Askren.

01:03:13.000 I guess.

01:03:14.000 I don't know.

01:03:15.000 I haven't seen that.

01:03:15.000 They loved him before he fought in the UFC, too.

01:03:17.000 I've never seen that because I saw him in England. 1.00

01:03:21.000 Man, in England, they didn't fucking hate his ass, man. 1.00

01:03:24.000 They were booing him out of the fucking stage and shit. 1.00

01:03:27.000 Because he looks like he belongs there. 1.00

01:03:29.000 Right?

01:03:29.000 He looks like, ah, you left us, lad.

01:03:33.000 He looks like an English guy, doesn't he?

01:03:36.000 I guess, man.

01:03:37.000 I mean, doesn't that, like, what do you think his nationality is, Askren?

01:03:40.000 He looks like he probably has some English in him.

01:03:42.000 Yeah, sure.

01:03:43.000 Curly hair?

01:03:44.000 A lot of English dudes have curly hair.

01:03:46.000 Yeah.

01:03:46.000 You gotta admit that the dude's got a wild-ass wrestling style.

01:03:50.000 Wrestling style.

01:03:51.000 It's funky, yeah.

01:03:52.000 Yeah, it's very unusual.

01:03:54.000 Very effective.

01:03:55.000 You know he's gonna have that wrestling match with Jordan Burroughs.

01:03:57.000 He's gonna get smashed up.

01:03:58.000 Is that before or after yours?

01:03:59.000 I think it's before.

01:04:01.000 Does that concern you?

01:04:01.000 He might get injured doing that?

01:04:03.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:04:04.000 If he does, that's because he faked the injury out. 1.00

01:04:06.000 He knows what he's doing.

01:04:07.000 He's a big boy.

01:04:08.000 If you're going to fight Joel Romero, one of your teammates might come over to you and tell you, hey, man, I think you should fake the injury.

01:04:15.000 I know Joel Romero.

01:04:17.000 Just fake the injury and cop out of that fight.

01:04:18.000 You don't want no problems with that guy.

01:04:21.000 That might be what he's trying to do.

01:04:22.000 Who knows, man? 1.00

01:04:24.000 Damn. 1.00

01:04:25.000 That fucking 185-pound division with Romero in it. 1.00

01:04:29.000 What a division now. 0.98

01:04:31.000 Now with Stylebender and Gastelum, and then Stylebender's going to fight Whitaker.

01:04:35.000 I hope Yoel fights Boricina.

01:04:38.000 They're supposed to fight, right?

01:04:40.000 Paulo Costa, they're supposed to fight.

01:04:42.000 I don't know.

01:04:43.000 I know he's going to fight Jacare, then Joel got hurt.

01:04:48.000 And Yoel was supposed to fight Paulo first.

01:04:53.000 But then someone got hurt there.

01:04:55.000 It might have been Paulo.

01:04:56.000 But Paulo's healed up again.

01:04:58.000 And the Jacare fights out.

01:05:00.000 And so they set a new fight up for Jacare.

01:05:03.000 So Jacare's got an opponent.

01:05:05.000 And now Yoel doesn't.

01:05:08.000 Man. 0.99

01:05:09.000 It's a fucking crazy division though. 1.00

01:05:11.000 That division's a real shark tank. 0.99

01:05:13.000 To tell you the truth, I would like to see Joel fight for the title.

01:05:16.000 Because I feel like...

01:05:17.000 Not to take nothing away from Whitaker, because I think he's one of the baddest dudes on the planet.

01:05:20.000 I feel like Joel won.

01:05:21.000 I feel like Joel won.

01:05:22.000 The second fight.

01:05:23.000 The first fight, straight up, Whitaker won.

01:05:25.000 The second one, I straight up thought Joel won.

01:05:27.000 I was actually there in his corner.

01:05:29.000 And I was like, oh, we got this.

01:05:31.000 Wow.

01:05:31.000 He won the third round, won the fourth, won the fifth.

01:05:34.000 And also with the new scoring.

01:05:35.000 Significant damage.

01:05:35.000 Yes, with the new damage.

01:05:37.000 Significant damage.

01:05:38.000 I don't know if they used the new scorecards, the new scoring method, but if they did and he didn't win, then it's a real travesty.

01:05:45.000 But he had him hurt.

01:05:46.000 There wasn't no 10-8 rounds, no 10-7 rounds.

01:05:49.000 That's the big difference in that fight, in my opinion.

01:05:51.000 Robert Whitaker for sure scored.

01:05:53.000 He fought well.

01:05:54.000 He won rounds. 0.98

01:05:55.000 But when Yoel hurt him, he really fucking hurt him. 0.95

01:05:58.000 And there was no moments like that for Whitaker where he had Yoel staggered and almost out. 1.00

01:06:03.000 Whitaker's a fucking beast, though, man. 0.99

01:06:05.000 Super intelligent dude, I think, when he fights, man. 0.99

01:06:08.000 Him and Stylebender's gonna be very unusual, because that's a big step up to go from Stylebender to go from the very first fight in the UFC, which was only like a year and a half ago, all the way up to Robert Whitaker in a year and a half.

01:06:23.000 It's amazing.

01:06:24.000 It's an amazing step up.

01:06:26.000 Whitaker's...

01:06:27.000 Something special.

01:06:28.000 And he's another guy that was 170, just cutting way too much weight, couldn't do it, went up to 185 and really found his own place.

01:06:35.000 So many guys, I think, they're in that category where they'd be healthier if they went up.

01:06:39.000 Yeah.

01:06:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:40.000 But when you saw Holloway versus Poirier, did you get the impression that really Holloway should stay at 145?

01:06:48.000 Yes and no, because I know personally DP, so I know he packs a punch.

01:06:52.000 So I don't think it's like, oh, your career at 55 is done, Max.

01:06:56.000 No, you fought one of the more clever, powerful punchers.

01:07:00.000 One of the better boxers.

01:07:02.000 Yeah, one of the better boxers.

01:07:03.000 And to the knit and grit of it, man, DP is like a brawler.

01:07:07.000 He likes to brawl, but an intelligent one.

01:07:10.000 He wants to hit you as much as he can without getting hit.

01:07:13.000 Very greedy, you know?

01:07:15.000 And I think it was just a bad fight for Max. 0.99

01:07:17.000 I think Max could fucking... 0.98

01:07:19.000 There's a lot of guys Max murders at 155, I think, you know? 0.99

01:07:22.000 I think so, too.

01:07:23.000 I think so, too.

01:07:23.000 But I think at 145, he's almost unstoppable.

01:07:26.000 Yeah, I don't even know how he makes 145. I don't know how he makes it either, but when he gets down there, man, he's just something special.

01:07:33.000 It doesn't seem to diminish him in his performance.

01:07:36.000 I'll give you a look at his performance against Ortega.

01:07:38.000 He can make it.

01:07:39.000 He can make that weight.

01:07:40.000 And once he gets there, man, good luck catching up.

01:07:44.000 That gas tank of his...

01:07:45.000 Incredible.

01:07:46.000 It's incredible.

01:07:47.000 Footwork, timing, the fakes that he throws and then he switches up and then he explodes and then he fakes, fakes and he explodes.

01:07:54.000 I love his rhythm and balance.

01:07:55.000 Yeah, very, very great at distant management and also switching stances and being creative and always giving you a different look.

01:08:02.000 Yes.

01:08:03.000 He's amazing, man.

01:08:04.000 He's a special guy.

01:08:06.000 He really is.

01:08:06.000 He's in my pound for pound in this, you know.

01:08:08.000 Mine as well. 1.00

01:08:09.000 And he takes a loss like a fucking man. 1.00

01:08:11.000 I mean, just takes that loss so well. 1.00

01:08:13.000 You know, he's like, hey, it is what it is.

01:08:15.000 He's a great champion.

01:08:16.000 He beat a champion.

01:08:17.000 You know, I'm still the champ at 145. He's like laughing and shit. 1.00

01:08:21.000 Like, he took it. 0.99

01:08:22.000 He gave everything he had.

01:08:24.000 He came up short.

01:08:25.000 No excuses.

01:08:26.000 And full respect to Dustin.

01:08:28.000 It was great, man.

01:08:29.000 Maybe a year or two from now, he can run him back.

01:08:31.000 100%.

01:08:32.000 Hey, he's only 27. Yeah.

01:08:35.000 That's even crazier.

01:08:36.000 Already the best featherweight of all time.

01:08:38.000 One of the best pound-for-pound fighters, for sure, on the planet Earth.

01:08:42.000 Only 27. Yeah, man.

01:08:44.000 He's good. 0.94

01:08:44.000 And his grappling defensively is pretty fucking good, too. 0.94

01:08:47.000 He throws those chokes up and shit. 1.00

01:08:48.000 Yep, yep, yep. 1.00

01:08:49.000 He can do everything.

01:08:50.000 Scary dude, man.

01:08:50.000 Yeah, he does everything.

01:08:51.000 He really does.

01:08:52.000 I mean, it's an amazing time for the sport.

01:08:55.000 It really is.

01:08:55.000 There's so much talent right now.

01:08:57.000 I wish they still had the 25th division.

01:08:59.000 I like that division.

01:09:00.000 Well, they still kind of do.

01:09:02.000 I mean, Benavidez is still trying to set up something.

01:09:07.000 And if Cejudo goes up and beats Marlon Marais and decides to still defend his 125-pound title...

01:09:13.000 That's a huge fight.

01:09:14.000 That's a sick fight.

01:09:15.000 Marlon's a scary cat.

01:09:16.000 Yeah, he's a scary cat.

01:09:18.000 But so is Sejudo.

01:09:18.000 Oh, yeah?

01:09:19.000 Wow.

01:09:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:20.000 I remember when Sejudo won that gold medal.

01:09:23.000 We were watching.

01:09:25.000 We were already fans of him and stuff.

01:09:27.000 And he came over to American Top Team not long afterwards.

01:09:30.000 And he was already working out.

01:09:32.000 And he said, no, I'm going to keep wrestling, but I want to fight eventually.

01:09:34.000 And I remember watching this guy work out.

01:09:37.000 He was like, maybe...

01:09:39.000 I think he's the youngest gold medalist ever in at least American history.

01:09:44.000 I don't know if all wrestling history.

01:09:45.000 So I remember watching him work and I was like, man, that dude one day will do something big in the sport if he commits to it the way he did the wrestling.

01:09:52.000 And sure enough, he's done fucking huge things, you know? 0.99

01:09:54.000 Well, the way he took out TJ, I definitely thought it was an early stoppage, but I definitely thought TJ was fucked. 0.99

01:10:00.000 He was in a bad place. 0.98

01:10:02.000 And if Cejudo, if they just let it go for another 10-15 seconds, he might have shut the lights out on TJ. We don't know.

01:10:08.000 But the fact that he just staggered him and just came out right off the bat and just started dropping bombs on TJ... I mean, that just shows, and again, backgrounds in wrestling, just shows you what an athlete he is and how quick he learns.

01:10:21.000 When he fought Wilson Hayes, and all of a sudden he was fighting like a karate fighter, remember that? 0.99

01:10:25.000 He was standing sideways, and then he drops, like, blitz right hands on him, like, what the fuck? 0.97

01:10:30.000 Like, look at how he's fighting. 0.95

01:10:32.000 The fact that he can incorporate all these different styles, too.

01:10:35.000 He's something special.

01:10:36.000 Endurance, power, speed.

01:10:37.000 And success.

01:10:38.000 You know, the first guy ever to be an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling and then a UFC world champion.

01:10:44.000 He beats the best guy ever.

01:10:46.000 The best guy ever.

01:10:47.000 Ever.

01:10:48.000 Ever.

01:10:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:48.000 It's amazing.

01:10:49.000 He's an amazing guy.

01:10:51.000 That's another guy that you could write books on.

01:10:54.000 Yep.

01:10:54.000 Whoa.

01:10:55.000 That's another scary fucker. 1.00

01:10:56.000 Yeah, he's a special guy. 1.00

01:10:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:10:59.000 I hope he gets fucking... 0.99

01:11:03.000 Paid over there at 1FC. That guy deserves it. 1.00

01:11:05.000 I really do.

01:11:06.000 And they have a deep talent pool over there.

01:11:08.000 They have littler guys in Asia.

01:11:09.000 You know, there's a lot of guys over there for them.

01:11:11.000 And they got a lot of...

01:11:12.000 I know they're bringing a lot of good Mu Thai guys.

01:11:15.000 Which I know Mighty Mouse would just scoop them up, put them on their head.

01:11:18.000 But it'd still be fun to see.

01:11:19.000 Still be fun to see. 1.00

01:11:20.000 Yeah, because those high-level Thai guys are fucking something else. 1.00

01:11:22.000 And I think Mighty Mouse is entertaining the idea of having grappling matches over in 1FC. And even maybe possibly kickboxing matches in 1FC. Oh, shit. 0.96

01:11:29.000 Because you know they do everything over there. 1.00

01:11:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:11:31.000 1FC has a fucking huge audience, man. 0.99

01:11:35.000 You know, they're talking about 40, 80 million people are watching each event in Asia. 1.00

01:11:39.000 No way.

01:11:40.000 And all throughout the world.

01:11:41.000 Yeah, it's giant.

01:11:42.000 And they aired over here in America, too.

01:11:44.000 I think it was on the Encore Network.

01:11:45.000 I was flipping through the channels and it was on.

01:11:48.000 I was like, whoa, okay.

01:11:49.000 So it's on TV in America, too.

01:11:51.000 I had no idea.

01:11:52.000 Yeah, it was after the fact.

01:11:53.000 It wasn't live.

01:11:54.000 I mean, I think you could watch it live on Bleacher Report Live.

01:11:58.000 There was a website, right?

01:12:00.000 You could watch it on Bleacher Report Live the day of the event.

01:12:03.000 And I think it was free.

01:12:05.000 Wasn't it?

01:12:07.000 I'll find that out.

01:12:08.000 Yeah, most of it.

01:12:08.000 I think it was.

01:12:09.000 Yeah, I don't know, yeah.

01:12:10.000 Anyway, it was free to watch the replay on television. 0.99

01:12:13.000 And look, they got fucking high-level athletes. 0.98

01:12:15.000 That guy, Nasty Ukin, who knocked out Eddie Alvarez. 0.99

01:12:18.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:12:18.000 That guy's legit as fuck. 1.00

01:12:20.000 If you could take out Eddie Alvarez like that, you're legit as fuck. 1.00

01:12:23.000 They got some Thai guys too that are scary with stand-up. 1.00

01:12:28.000 225 fucking Thai fights. 0.98

01:12:30.000 How about Yatsin Klai? 0.99

01:12:32.000 How about they got Yatsin Klai fighting with MMA gloves on?

01:12:35.000 Almost illegal, man.

01:12:36.000 That's not fair, man.

01:12:38.000 He's so dangerous to let him fight Thai style, but with MMA gloves.

01:12:44.000 It's like...

01:12:44.000 I love it, man.

01:12:45.000 I fucking love that. 0.98

01:12:46.000 Because now they get to work their grips a little better. 0.98

01:12:49.000 Maybe their takedowns are going to come out a little better.

01:12:51.000 And the shell does not work as well.

01:12:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:12:54.000 The shell.

01:12:54.000 The hands sneak through little spots.

01:12:56.000 And that's what happened with him and Andy Sauer.

01:12:58.000 And with our gloves.

01:13:00.000 That's what happens when these high-level strikers come into high-level MMA. They think they're safe when you're fucking not. 0.99

01:13:07.000 You're not safe. 0.99

01:13:08.000 Perfect example is Gokhan Saki and Khalil Roundtree.

01:13:10.000 Roundtree just snuck that beautiful straight left right down the pipe.

01:13:14.000 He dropped him.

01:13:16.000 Did you see Roundtree in his last fight?

01:13:17.000 No. 0.99

01:13:18.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:13:18.000 Against Eric Anders this weekend? 1.00

01:13:20.000 No, I didn't. 1.00

01:13:20.000 Holy shit, dude! 1.00

01:13:22.000 Fucking... 1.00

01:13:22.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:13:24.000 Massacre? 1.00

01:13:24.000 Pissed to shut out. 1.00

01:13:25.000 It was the best he's ever looked.

01:13:26.000 He went to Thailand.

01:13:27.000 Apparently, after he got knocked out by Johnny Walker, he got hit with an elbow in the clinch and decided he really needed to work on his clinch game.

01:13:33.000 So he moved to Thailand.

01:13:35.000 And he was there for the entire camp... 0.99

01:13:38.000 Put all this shit up on his Instagram, all these videos and training footage. 0.99

01:13:41.000 He looks sensational. 0.99

01:13:42.000 But when you see him live against Eric Hamm, he came out like a Thai guy, light on the front leg, hands up, and just brutalized him. 1.00

01:13:53.000 Brutalized him. 1.00

01:13:54.000 Pitched a fucking shutout, man. 1.00

01:13:56.000 Against Anders, who's a savage. 1.00

01:14:00.000 We knew Roundtree was good, but there was just a giant leap between the Roundtree of pre-Thailand and post-Thailand.

01:14:08.000 The most I've ever seen a guy improve in two fights.

01:14:12.000 Amazing.

01:14:14.000 Look at the significant strike differential.

01:14:17.000 63 more significant strikes he landed.

01:14:20.000 But it was the way he did it, man.

01:14:22.000 It was the highest significant strike differential.

01:14:26.000 That's crazy.

01:14:26.000 Oh, that's from that event.

01:14:28.000 That's all good and everything like that, but it was what it looked like.

01:14:32.000 His switch kick to the inside thigh was insane.

01:14:35.000 It was so fast.

01:14:36.000 He's such a big guy, man.

01:14:38.000 205, man.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, as fast as he was, no telegraphing, anything.

01:14:44.000 It was like...

01:14:45.000 Like, over and over again.

01:14:46.000 And he was, you know, all Thai style.

01:14:48.000 It was really interesting to watch, man.

01:14:50.000 He just embraced it and came out way better.

01:14:52.000 It was a surprise when he got Gokhan like that, you know? 1.00

01:14:55.000 But I also knew it could happen because it's not kickboxing.

01:14:59.000 And I think Gokhan's a stud kickboxer, man. 0.97

01:15:01.000 That guy is fucking good at kickboxing, man. 0.98

01:15:04.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:15:04.000 For his weight, the shit that he does, he moves like a 55-pounder, you know? 0.99

01:15:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:08.000 I was surprised I didn't see that, you know?

01:15:10.000 Roundtree has a ridiculously fast straight left.

01:15:14.000 He caught Anders with it a bunch of times, too.

01:15:15.000 He dropped him at least three times.

01:15:17.000 His background is wrestling?

01:15:18.000 No, he's a striker.

01:15:20.000 Yeah, his background is striking. 0.91

01:15:22.000 He's a beast, man.

01:15:25.000 It'll be a while before anybody's excited about anybody fighting Jon Jones.

01:15:30.000 Because it's like, what do you got?

01:15:32.000 You know, you got a dude who's just...

01:15:34.000 There's certain guys, like, remember when Anderson was in his prime and, like, who are you going to throw at him?

01:15:40.000 There was nobody there.

01:15:41.000 Until Weidman came along, everybody that they threw at him, you're like, hmm, what's Anderson going to do to this dude?

01:15:47.000 When's Anderson going to knock out Yushin Okami?

01:15:50.000 When's he going to connect on this guy?

01:15:52.000 I think we're in that situation now with John.

01:15:54.000 We got the Tiago Santos fight that's coming up.

01:15:57.000 It should be interesting.

01:15:58.000 But the interesting thing is that Santos is a murderous striker.

01:16:03.000 Is he going to be able to connect?

01:16:04.000 That's what makes it interesting.

01:16:06.000 I think Jones has some of the best defense.

01:16:08.000 The best.

01:16:09.000 Both wrestling, grappling, and striking.

01:16:11.000 Just doesn't get hit.

01:16:12.000 Yeah.

01:16:13.000 Distance. 1.00

01:16:14.000 Side kick to your fucking kneecap is no longer there. 1.00

01:16:17.000 And then when you're fucking thinking about that side kick, boom! 1.00

01:16:20.000 Left elbow to the eye orbital. 0.99

01:16:22.000 Yep.

01:16:22.000 It's a tough puzzle.

01:16:24.000 He's not light on his feet.

01:16:26.000 He's just right there in front of you like an unmovable force.

01:16:29.000 He's just going to stand right there in front of you.

01:16:31.000 He's not going to go back or nothing.

01:16:32.000 He's just...

01:16:32.000 And if he catches you catching a break, you're trying to take a breath of air.

01:16:36.000 Whap! 0.99

01:16:38.000 Whap! 0.99

01:16:38.000 Starts pouring it on you. 0.99

01:16:39.000 Starts kicking your legs, front kicking you in the body, over and over. 0.89

01:16:42.000 He sees you slowing down. 0.99

01:16:44.000 He's a predator, man.

01:16:45.000 I wish, like, they could make a science experiment, make Mighty Mouse 205, make that fight happen.

01:16:50.000 Or shrink Jon Jones and make that fight happen. 0.99

01:16:53.000 Yeah, no shit, right? 1.00

01:16:55.000 No shit. 1.00

01:16:55.000 That would be crazy. 1.00

01:16:57.000 That would be crazy.

01:16:58.000 What do you got?

01:17:00.000 See, the thing is, no 205-er can move like Mighty Mouse moves. 0.99

01:17:04.000 You would have to see, how can Mighty Mouse move at 205?

01:17:07.000 Because the thing about him is there's no gravity. 0.97

01:17:09.000 There's no gravity fucking with him. 0.97

01:17:11.000 When he's 125, he's fucking cutting angles, and he's, whoop, where is he? 0.99

01:17:16.000 Whip! 1.00

01:17:17.000 He's on your legs. 0.95

01:17:18.000 He can do everything.

01:17:19.000 But his technique, though, is awesome. 0.99

01:17:21.000 When I see him doing the things, he kicks like a fucking tight dude. 0.99

01:17:25.000 Shoots a double leg like a fucking good wrestling dude. 0.99

01:17:28.000 It's not just an athletic guy that's explosive. 0.99

01:17:31.000 Everything is done just right.

01:17:33.000 Same thing with John.

01:17:34.000 He's got great technique everywhere.

01:17:35.000 Yeah, I mean, Matt Hume has produced some great fighters, but then there's Mighty Mouse.

01:17:39.000 He's produced some great talent, but then there's Mighty Mouse.

01:17:42.000 He stands way out.

01:17:44.000 And you've got to wonder, is it Mighty Mouse?

01:17:46.000 Is it Matt Hume putting more emphasis on him?

01:17:49.000 Is it a combination of things?

01:17:51.000 Because usually when you get a guy that's that good, you get a gym that starts producing multiple champions like that.

01:17:56.000 Usually, right?

01:18:00.000 Pancration's not known for having that kind of talent other than him.

01:18:05.000 Josh Barnett?

01:18:06.000 Yeah, Josh Barnett came from there.

01:18:08.000 But Josh's trained everywhere now.

01:18:10.000 Josh started his career there, but he's basically been everywhere.

01:18:13.000 Is Matt Hume open to the public?

01:18:15.000 I think so.

01:18:16.000 I think he has regular classes, the whole deal.

01:18:19.000 But I know he gave a lot of specialized attention to Mighty Mouse.

01:18:22.000 Also, he just felt like Mighty Mouse was a real sponge.

01:18:24.000 He really learns well.

01:18:26.000 Yeah, for a fact.

01:18:28.000 That guy does everything good, man.

01:18:29.000 What do you think you're going to do when you retire?

01:18:31.000 I don't know yet.

01:18:38.000 You don't think about it at all?

01:18:39.000 I do think about it.

01:18:42.000 The main thing is make sure that before I'm retired, my kids are set for life.

01:18:46.000 With their universities, with their houses, all that stuff.

01:18:50.000 That's number one goal.

01:18:51.000 Then when I retire, I don't know, I got a lot of options I could do.

01:18:54.000 You know?

01:18:54.000 I got to see which one I'm going to like the most.

01:18:56.000 Because whatever I'm going to do, obviously nothing I'll love as much as fighting. 0.98

01:19:00.000 Nothing will make me wake up at 6 in the morning to go fucking run. 0.96

01:19:03.000 Nothing will have that love in me. 0.95

01:19:05.000 When you ask about the longevity, it's just because I love it so much.

01:19:08.000 I don't have to work for it.

01:19:09.000 I just...

01:19:10.000 I love it.

01:19:10.000 I love what I do.

01:19:11.000 Even hitting the bag for 35, 40 minutes, sometimes it's so fucking boring and monotonous.

01:19:16.000 But if I got the right music going on, got me a little bit of water, let's do it.

01:19:20.000 I'm going to have fun doing it.

01:19:22.000 So I got to just find something that my heart is solely in and I'm having fun.

01:19:29.000 I still haven't figured out what that is.

01:19:31.000 Maybe skiing.

01:19:32.000 Every time I go skiing, the skiers are trying to recruit me.

01:19:35.000 They're like, yo, who is this guy, man?

01:19:36.000 This guy.

01:19:37.000 We need this guy over here on our team to wear it.

01:19:39.000 Maybe skiing, man. 1.00

01:19:40.000 That shit gets my blood pumping, you know? 1.00

01:19:41.000 Really? 1.00

01:19:41.000 You like skiing? 1.00

01:19:42.000 I fucking love it, man. 0.99

01:19:43.000 I hate it. 1.00

01:19:43.000 I love that shit. 1.00

01:19:44.000 I always worry about falling. 1.00

01:19:46.000 That's your problem.

01:19:47.000 That is my problem. 1.00

01:19:47.000 It's fucking snow, man. 1.00

01:19:48.000 Nothing's going to happen. 1.00

01:19:49.000 You've been kicked in the head. 1.00

01:19:51.000 I know, but everybody I know has had their fucking ACL torn apart. 1.00

01:19:54.000 I've already had two knee reconstructions. 0.99

01:19:56.000 So when I go down the hill, I'm like, don't get hurt.

01:19:59.000 Don't get hurt.

01:20:00.000 Didn't get hurt.

01:20:01.000 That's so crazy how brains think, because I'm thinking, there's no way I can get hurt when I'm on those things. 0.98

01:20:06.000 I'm just fucking going as fast as I can. 0.98

01:20:09.000 Oh, you're one of those guys. 0.98

01:20:10.000 Yeah, I'm like, there's no way I can get hurt. 0.99

01:20:11.000 It's fucking snow. 0.99

01:20:12.000 But you can definitely get hurt. 1.00

01:20:14.000 Yeah, definitely. 1.00

01:20:15.000 I've had fucking... 0.99

01:20:17.000 While I was standing still, like, past my friends, hey! 0.99

01:20:20.000 I slowed down to say what's up, and just, like, some 70-year-old man didn't see that I'm stopped, not moving here, and just fucking hit me into the kneecaps. 0.96

01:20:29.000 Good thing they're somewhat flexible, nothing tore, nothing. 0.96

01:20:32.000 But it was, like, a good hit, though, you know, like a good little low kick out of nowhere, you know?

01:20:36.000 I worry about that with my kids.

01:20:38.000 Some Claude Hopper plows into my kids.

01:20:40.000 Oh, but if they start young, though, forget about it.

01:20:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:43.000 No, they're good.

01:20:44.000 They're already doing Black Diamonds, little fuckers. 1.00

01:20:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:20:47.000 Yeah, but they're so low to the ground.

01:20:49.000 They're tiny. 0.99

01:20:50.000 You know, the little skis and shit. 1.00

01:20:52.000 And no fear at that age either. 0.99

01:20:53.000 No fear.

01:20:54.000 Once they already fell in love once or twice, like, Dad, it's just snow. 1.00

01:20:57.000 I watched some of those fucking men going down those hills, though. 0.99

01:21:02.000 When they drop him off in the helicopter. 1.00

01:21:05.000 Oh, my God. 0.98

01:21:06.000 Oh, that's ridiculous. 0.97

01:21:07.000 I watched a video the other night of a guy went down this mountain that no one's ever skied down before. 0.93

01:21:12.000 They dropped him off at the top, and he had to climb the first couple of feet down with the skis on before he got to this open chute. 0.99

01:21:19.000 I was like, what in the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:21:21.000 He's climbing. 1.00

01:21:22.000 Like, you can't just ski. 0.99

01:21:23.000 There's rocks everywhere and shit. 0.99

01:21:25.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:21:26.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:21:26.000 That blows my mind. 1.00

01:21:28.000 Yeah, go get a better hobby. 0.98

01:21:29.000 It's ridiculous. 0.96

01:21:31.000 Sliding down a mountain. 0.77

01:21:32.000 I might end up in there one day.

01:21:33.000 You think so?

01:21:34.000 Not in no time soon, because those guys are a lifetime of skill, but I wouldn't take it off.

01:21:41.000 I'd love to ski one of those crazy mountains that are just fucking super-duper steep and just rip it.

01:21:46.000 One thing about skiing is you can do it when you're old. 0.90

01:21:49.000 Yeah.

01:21:49.000 Because this lady who was teaching my daughter, she was giving my daughter lessons, At the ski place, she was like deep into her 60s.

01:21:56.000 She was skiing great.

01:21:58.000 Well, they got technique technique, you know.

01:21:59.000 They probably grew up in the snow.

01:22:01.000 I started skiing when I was like 30, you know, so I got a lot of catching up to do.

01:22:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:06.000 I just know too many.

01:22:07.000 Like Ari, my friend Ari, he broke his wrist last year and he broke his ankle two years ago. 0.99

01:22:13.000 He's always fucking himself up. 0.99

01:22:16.000 Is that guy balls to the wall? 1.00

01:22:18.000 I don't know. 0.69

01:22:18.000 He probably has done mushrooms. 0.69

01:22:20.000 That's a good time to ski, man.

01:22:22.000 That's what I hear.

01:22:22.000 That's the best time to ski.

01:22:24.000 I know a couple people that have done it on mushrooms.

01:22:26.000 They say you ski really...

01:22:28.000 Yeah, you like it?

01:22:29.000 What's the best thing about skiing on mushrooms?

01:22:31.000 Well, it could go both ways because it fucks up your depth perception, you know?

01:22:36.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:22:36.000 You don't know where the trees are.

01:22:37.000 So the first time I did it, I was like super grandma, you know?

01:22:42.000 Like everybody's like, what's wrong with you? 0.99

01:22:44.000 I'm like, no, no, no, just leave me the fuck alone. 0.99

01:22:46.000 Because the snow is all the same too, right? 1.00

01:22:48.000 So now it just fucks with your depth perception so bad.

01:22:51.000 Oh, you don't see like the divots in the snow.

01:22:54.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:22:54.000 It fucks with you a lot. 0.99

01:22:55.000 Because everything gets pixelated, right? 0.98

01:22:57.000 Yeah.

01:22:57.000 Oh, you're really tripping hard then.

01:22:59.000 Oh, man.

01:22:59.000 And everything is like the same and I can't really see the bumps and then I don't see the bumps.

01:23:03.000 I just feel them and I, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:23:06.000 All right, I'm going to need to tough this one out.

01:23:08.000 Let's do it, you know?

01:23:09.000 And then the next time I did it, I did a lot of, literal, less of a dosage.

01:23:12.000 I had a blast, you know?

01:23:13.000 Yeah, they say it's a micro-dose thing.

01:23:16.000 Yeah.

01:23:16.000 Just like, don't take like three grams.

01:23:18.000 Take like a half a gram.

01:23:20.000 Yeah.

01:23:20.000 Something like that.

01:23:21.000 Well, the first time I was doing the bro science, and it was like, oh, yeah, I think it's like four grams is cool, man.

01:23:26.000 Let's go.

01:23:26.000 Yikes!

01:23:27.000 On a slight fast, you know?

01:23:30.000 The problem with the vision thing, when you do the mushrooms and things get pixelated, where you see almost like a matrix around you.

01:23:38.000 Yeah, I would imagine that that would fuck you up skiing. 0.98

01:23:41.000 You wouldn't be able to see all the creases in the snow and shit. 0.99

01:23:44.000 And then you just feel it all of a sudden. 0.99

01:23:45.000 You're like, what the fuck happened? 0.99

01:23:46.000 Do you ever snowboard? 0.99

01:23:47.000 I did it for like half a day.

01:23:49.000 That was pretty cool.

01:23:49.000 But I used to ski like inline, like in parks, you know, like on ramps, on half pipes, rollerblades.

01:23:55.000 Oh, really?

01:23:55.000 Yeah.

01:23:56.000 So I could like jump on rails and half pipes.

01:23:58.000 And I could even do like a front flip on my skates, but this was when I was like 13, 14 years old.

01:24:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:04.000 So skiing came very easy to me.

01:24:07.000 Snowboarding, not so much because I didn't skateboard when I was a kid.

01:24:10.000 I skateboarded as a kid, but I've never snowboarded.

01:24:13.000 But the people that do it, they say it's easier to get better at snowboarding than it is to get better at skiing.

01:24:19.000 They say it's like it's hard in the beginning, but once you get it, it's easier to get better at.

01:24:23.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

01:24:24.000 But when you fall, a lot of dudes fall, the snowboard goes up in the air, your feet are stuck on it, you land right on your fucking head. 0.99

01:24:31.000 A lot of people get knocked the fuck out. 0.99

01:24:33.000 Because you can't move your legs individually like you can if you're skiing.

01:24:37.000 And you land on the tailbone a lot too, a lot of people tell me.

01:24:39.000 Yeah.

01:24:40.000 And if you're skiing and you land funky, the skis snap loose and you can move your legs around.

01:24:45.000 No, snowboard is strapped in there.

01:24:46.000 Yeah, you're strapped in. 1.00

01:24:47.000 No, snowboarders and shit too. 1.00

01:24:49.000 People go through the trees like fucking Silver Surfer. 1.00

01:24:52.000 That's fun, man. 1.00

01:24:54.000 That's a rush.

01:24:55.000 The slowing down part with those seems different.

01:24:58.000 Less options to slow down. 1.00

01:25:00.000 Oh, I love all that shit. 1.00

01:25:01.000 Anything that gets my heart pumping, man. 1.00

01:25:03.000 Do you skydive or anything crazy like that?

01:25:05.000 I haven't done the skydiving because I'm afraid of the landing.

01:25:08.000 I've heard bad stories about the landing.

01:25:10.000 How you are with the skiing.

01:25:11.000 You got a couple buddies that got hurt.

01:25:12.000 I got a couple buddies that got hurt on the landing of skydiving.

01:25:15.000 Oh, really?

01:25:15.000 I can't do that.

01:25:16.000 I'm fighting still.

01:25:17.000 As soon as I'm done fighting, whoo!

01:25:19.000 Yeah.

01:25:20.000 Yeah.

01:25:20.000 Have you had any knee problems?

01:25:21.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 Numerous knee problems.

01:25:23.000 I've torn the meniscus a couple times on both knees from wrestling practice.

01:25:28.000 All from wrestling practice usually.

01:25:29.000 I'm sure.

01:25:30.000 Yeah.

01:25:30.000 Did you get them scoped or what'd you do about it?

01:25:33.000 Just rehab.

01:25:34.000 I got a big fear of going to sleep by...

01:25:38.000 Anesthesia?

01:25:39.000 Yeah.

01:25:39.000 Really?

01:25:40.000 Yeah, I got a supreme fear of that.

01:25:41.000 I don't want that in my life right now.

01:25:43.000 I'm not ready for that. 0.52

01:25:44.000 That's a sucky way to die. 0.96

01:25:46.000 Go to sleep to get your knee fixed. 0.94

01:25:47.000 Yeah.

01:25:48.000 That's a wrap.

01:25:48.000 See you in heaven.

01:25:49.000 Tweet, tweet.

01:25:51.000 Yeah.

01:25:51.000 Not yet, not yet.

01:25:52.000 So you've just basically, whatever meniscus tears you've had, you just dealt with it?

01:25:55.000 Just rehab. 1.00

01:25:56.000 And then I also heard from doctors, you don't really need a meniscus, it's just gonna fucking hurt like fuck, so. 0.99

01:26:01.000 You don't really need meniscus? 1.00

01:26:02.000 That's what they told me.

01:26:03.000 Like, a lot of times, instead of scoping it, they cut it, you know?

01:26:05.000 Like, I know a lot of athletes, they just cut it, you know?

01:26:07.000 They cut pieces of it, yeah.

01:26:09.000 Yeah.

01:26:09.000 Especially depending on, like, if it's a bucket-handled tear or how bad the tear is, you know?

01:26:15.000 Like Mike Brown has.

01:26:16.000 I know his meniscus cut. 0.99

01:26:18.000 And he was the one that was telling me last time I fucked up my meniscus. 0.98

01:26:20.000 He said, do not get a scope because then you're going to re-injury and you're going to be again through the whole thing. 0.99

01:26:24.000 Get it snipped out.

01:26:25.000 Get it cut, you know?

01:26:27.000 So that's what he did?

01:26:28.000 He just got it cut out?

01:26:29.000 Yeah.

01:26:29.000 All of it?

01:26:30.000 Yeah, Joel Romero, same thing. 0.91

01:26:31.000 I don't think Joel Romero has a meniscus.

01:26:33.000 True.

01:26:34.000 Yeah, because I've had numerous problems with my meniscus, and I was about to go in and get the surgery, and I was asking everybody if I had the same problem, and I was like, fuck it, bro, I'm just going to rehab it out and just do rehab, and I did rehab for like four or five months, and it got better.

01:26:48.000 Oh, wow.

01:26:49.000 Four or five months, huh?

01:26:50.000 Well, that was last year in 2018. That's what I did a larger part of the year, just heal up injuries that I had, you know, just getting better and better and better.

01:26:57.000 So when you say, like, rehab it, what kind of rehab are you doing for your meniscus?

01:27:01.000 What were you doing?

01:27:01.000 Like, where you go to the place and the guy tells you, like, he'll hold the towel and do, like, things like this.

01:27:07.000 Mm-hmm.

01:27:07.000 Okay, different.

01:27:08.000 Get on the phone, mats. 0.99

01:27:09.000 Physical therapy.

01:27:09.000 Yeah, physical therapy, you know.

01:27:11.000 Right.

01:27:11.000 That's what I did.

01:27:13.000 What's your diet like?

01:27:16.000 Man, I got many of diets.

01:27:17.000 Many of diets?

01:27:18.000 Like when you're in training.

01:27:20.000 When you're training, not when you knock out Darren Till.

01:27:23.000 I'm sure you ate like a wild animal.

01:27:25.000 Yeah, for a fact.

01:27:27.000 I got many of diets at all times, though.

01:27:30.000 I just kind of, at 55, I used to have to diet so hard.

01:27:34.000 Eight to ten weeks, I would have to diet to bring my body to like 173, 174, especially the last three, four years of my career, mixed with a lot of running.

01:27:42.000 You know, at 70, I don't have to do that.

01:27:44.000 So, I'm still kind of strict.

01:27:46.000 I just stop eating after, like, a certain time.

01:27:48.000 Like, 7 p.m., I stop eating.

01:27:50.000 You know, I wake up.

01:27:51.000 When's your last training session?

01:27:53.000 Depends.

01:27:53.000 It could be sometimes.

01:27:54.000 I'll finish at around 10, 10.30, and I'll just drink.

01:27:57.000 At night?

01:27:57.000 Yeah.

01:27:58.000 So, you don't need anything after you train?

01:27:59.000 No.

01:27:59.000 I just drink a shit ton of water.

01:28:01.000 This is when I'm like, I'm training, training. 0.65

01:28:03.000 I'm used to it, you know?

01:28:04.000 Because I used to do it at 55 because I couldn't gain weight.

01:28:07.000 So I just, let's say I went for a run at like 10 o'clock at night, finished at 12, I just get back, drink a shit ton of water, wake up, and then have my meal, you know?

01:28:16.000 When I'm in training camp, one thing that I know is I don't like to have a big breakfast before I go train. 0.75

01:28:22.000 It fucks me up.

01:28:24.000 Really? 0.99

01:28:24.000 Slows me down. 0.99

01:28:25.000 The body's processing, all that shit. 0.99

01:28:27.000 I just don't feel as accurate. 0.99

01:28:28.000 I could just wake up and go to the gym and do fine.

01:28:30.000 If I wake up, eat, chill, all that stuff, then go to the gym.

01:28:34.000 It's not the same.

01:28:35.000 I'm lazy.

01:28:35.000 I'm like, ah!

01:28:36.000 The energy.

01:28:37.000 It takes your body to digest it.

01:28:38.000 That's legit.

01:28:39.000 Yeah, I always feel the same way.

01:28:40.000 I think you're better off just eating a little bit of fruit.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:28:43.000 A little bit of fruit, some coffee.

01:28:45.000 Pineapple, anything with sugar, some coffee and go.

01:28:47.000 I don't want my system actually having to dissolve things as I'm already training.

01:28:51.000 That's why I'm surprised that you're running late at night and then you're not eating something and then you're going through the entire night with no food and then a light breakfast.

01:28:59.000 And I'll burn right through it.

01:29:01.000 I'm burning through fat in my sleep.

01:29:04.000 Do you have a nutritionist that you consult?

01:29:06.000 I had numerous ones.

01:29:07.000 I had 155. I had numerous ones.

01:29:09.000 And I took what each one gave me that was like, wow, this actually helped me for this or for this.

01:29:15.000 And I've jotted those down on my book and I use those things still to this day.

01:29:19.000 There's some things that I use.

01:29:20.000 Then mixing with the stuff that I know works for me.

01:29:23.000 I know for a fact, somebody, numerous nutritionists tell me, no, but that's wrong.

01:29:26.000 You should just wake up at 6 in the morning, get a meal, and then at 8 in the morning, get another meal, and then by 10 o'clock, you're good to go.

01:29:33.000 Nah, buddy. 0.98

01:29:34.000 I'm just going to go to the gym, and I'm going to fucking feel amazing. 0.99

01:29:37.000 I don't need all those extra fucking meals. 0.99

01:29:39.000 And then after that... 0.99

01:29:40.000 I pick out.

01:29:41.000 And when I eat, man, it's almost a religious experience for me.

01:29:44.000 I like to be very happy. 0.98

01:29:46.000 So if we go to a place to eat, and I've never been there, and you're telling me this is the place right here, this is where you want to eat at, I'm getting everything on the fucking menu. 0.88

01:29:54.000 It looks, I'll fill this fucking table up, and I'm going to try everything, and I'm going to know what's good at this place. 0.60

01:30:00.000 I don't like to put restrictions when I eat, but I don't eat like that all day long, you know? 0.98

01:30:03.000 So my one or two meals that I eat, they're powerful, you know?

01:30:06.000 So real light, but when you eat a big meal, you just go hog, and then nothing after 7pm at night?

01:30:14.000 Yeah, nothing after 7pm.

01:30:15.000 Yeah, that's basically like intermittent fasting, really.

01:30:17.000 You're mimicking that.

01:30:18.000 And then I saw that, the intermittent fasting, and it started breaking down the details of it.

01:30:23.000 Because where I got it from is that when I was at 55...

01:30:26.000 Let's say I'd finish my workout at American Top Team.

01:30:29.000 I'd finish at 178 pounds. 0.99

01:30:32.000 Fuck, three weeks ago. 1.00

01:30:33.000 Okay, I'd get back home. 1.00

01:30:34.000 I'd eat a little something because I'd just finish doing a two-hour workout, and I'd put my sweats on and go run.

01:30:39.000 I'd run 10, 11 o'clock at night, and I'd run for like an hour.

01:30:42.000 I'd get back.

01:30:43.000 I'd touch down to 172, maybe, 174. I couldn't eat.

01:30:49.000 I just drink water.

01:30:50.000 So I got used to that, that regimen of not eating after my workouts, you know, and feeling fine the next day, just a shit ton of water.

01:30:57.000 Your body just got used to it.

01:30:58.000 Yeah, maybe electrolytes or whatever.

01:31:00.000 And then when those, the, the intermittent fasting diet or the, or the fasting came up and they put the science behind it, I'm like, Oh, no wonder it makes sense to me.

01:31:08.000 You know, it's not that I'm a special mutant.

01:31:10.000 It's there's a science behind this, you know?

01:31:12.000 Yeah, it's actually healthy for you.

01:31:13.000 I think so.

01:31:14.000 Your body needs breaks.

01:31:15.000 Hell yeah.

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:16.000 Now, when you're doing strength and conditioning and things along those lines, how often are you doing that a week?

01:31:23.000 It depends what stage I'm at in the fight.

01:31:26.000 If I'm like 30 weeks out, obviously, or like 12 weeks out.

01:31:29.000 Like right now, I'll lift weights, running, swimming, anything to just get my heart going.

01:31:35.000 I do a lot of kettlebells.

01:31:36.000 I like that.

01:31:37.000 It's like a full-body workout.

01:31:39.000 And it's kind of like almost wrestling, you know, when you're getting in there in the reps and it's heavy. 0.95

01:31:43.000 If your technique's off, you just fucked up that rep. 0.96

01:31:46.000 You wasted too much energy. 0.75

01:31:48.000 You're not going to get to those projections you wanted to get.

01:31:50.000 And I got lucky down at the gym that I trained.

01:31:53.000 One of the kettlebell champions.

01:31:55.000 He's a world champion.

01:31:56.000 He's at the gym.

01:31:56.000 So he showed me like a lot of technique and a lot of the grit behind it.

01:32:00.000 And it's amazing.

01:32:01.000 I mean, this guy does incredible things, you know?

01:32:03.000 So it's huge for me, the kettlebells.

01:32:06.000 I like them, you know?

01:32:07.000 A lot of strength and conditioning too with my coach, Jesus Guy.

01:32:10.000 We've been together for like 12 years, you know?

01:32:13.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan of kettlebells as well.

01:32:14.000 It's my favorite exercise tool.

01:32:16.000 If I pick one thing, I would say, give me a chin-up bar and kettlebells and I'm good.

01:32:20.000 Yeah, and grip, back, and then the sheer coordination of it, you know, pop them up in the air.

01:32:25.000 Making the whole body work as one whole unit.

01:32:28.000 And when you're tired and you can't fucking not concentrate because every one of those techniques, every one of those lifts has a severe technique behind it. 1.00

01:32:37.000 And if you fuck up, man, you fuck up your back, your shoulder, you just throw your whole shit off, you know? 1.00

01:32:42.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:32:43.000 Now, what do you alter when you get closer to a fight?

01:32:47.000 Like, what do you eliminate?

01:32:48.000 Do you eliminate the weightlifting?

01:32:49.000 Do you...

01:32:50.000 The length of the training session, you know, as in when we're more out from the fight, we'll train for longer periods, two, three hours.

01:32:58.000 You know, three hours is always the max, and maybe I'll do that twice in a day.

01:33:01.000 You know, when I'm closer to the fight, maybe an hour and a half, tops, tops, two hours, and maybe two of those in a day, you know, and then that's it, you know.

01:33:10.000 I'm also 34, so I don't like, uh, not when I was like 26 that I could fucking train 10 hours in one day and wake up the next day like nothing happened, you know.

01:33:19.000 So now I just, I also listen to my body like, man, the last session beat me up, I'm going to do a one-hour session now, you know.

01:33:25.000 Do you take your heart rate?

01:33:27.000 Do you use heart rate variability monitors or anything like that?

01:33:30.000 No, I don't even know what you just said right now.

01:33:33.000 Old school.

01:33:35.000 Yeah, people are doing that to see what their heart rate is when they wake up.

01:33:39.000 Like if your heart rate's inconsistent, say if you have a resting heart rate of 40 beats per minute, then you wake up one day, it's 47, 48. That might indicate that you're overtrained.

01:33:49.000 52, 53 would be a real good indication.

01:33:52.000 And you would probably want to either do active recovery that day or just take the day off.

01:33:56.000 Maybe even go for a light hike or something like that.

01:33:59.000 Maybe I should invest in some of this stuff.

01:34:01.000 There's a lot of thought behind that because sometimes people are getting sick and they don't realize it.

01:34:05.000 They're just too tough and they just push through it.

01:34:07.000 I feel flat today.

01:34:08.000 But what's really going on is your body's fighting something off.

01:34:11.000 Yeah.

01:34:11.000 It makes perfect sense.

01:34:13.000 Yeah.

01:34:13.000 How much sleep are you making sure you get a night?

01:34:16.000 For the larger part of my career, because I have sleeping problems really bad, I would sleep like four or five hours and be fucking perfect, man. 0.95

01:34:25.000 Yeah? 0.96

01:34:26.000 Be perfect.

01:34:27.000 Never have a problem.

01:34:28.000 As I started getting older, I've been trying to force myself to sleep.

01:34:31.000 That's one big thing with my coaches and my management, because they know how I sleep.

01:34:35.000 Like I'm fight week.

01:34:36.000 I'd be up in the lobby 3 in the morning and then go to sleep, wake up at 8 in the morning.

01:34:41.000 We gotta change this.

01:34:42.000 So I've been trying to change that a lot.

01:34:44.000 And I just try to put myself in bed early and then I just stay in there.

01:34:48.000 I don't do nothing.

01:34:49.000 The phone's already off.

01:34:50.000 There's no TV in my room.

01:34:51.000 I'm just chilling in there.

01:34:52.000 But this isn't fight camp.

01:34:53.000 This is not like year round.

01:34:54.000 I'm just trying to go to sleep, however long that takes.

01:34:57.000 Does American Top Team have a float tank? 0.88

01:35:00.000 No, not yet, but great idea.

01:35:01.000 They're working on it, aren't they?

01:35:02.000 Dan, did you just hear Joe Rogan? 0.99

01:35:04.000 We need the fucking float, bro. 1.00

01:35:06.000 Get the float, man. 1.00

01:35:07.000 Why did I think they did?

01:35:08.000 Were they thinking about it at one point in time?

01:35:10.000 Is that what was going on?

01:35:11.000 They sure are now. 1.00

01:35:11.000 Dan, get the fucking float. 1.00

01:35:13.000 Joe needs to float. 1.00

01:35:14.000 You know we love you, Dan. 1.00

01:35:15.000 Get that fucking tank in there, baby. 1.00

01:35:17.000 I'll hook you up. 1.00

01:35:18.000 I'll get you to the right people.

01:35:20.000 Float lab.

01:35:20.000 Get the hookup from Joe now.

01:35:22.000 Float lab in Venice.

01:35:23.000 Shout out to the float lab.

01:35:24.000 Yeah, the guy who put my tank in here.

01:35:26.000 They're the best tanks, man.

01:35:27.000 I'll show it to you afterwards.

01:35:28.000 They're so ridiculously over-engineered, but when you get in them, man, you relax.

01:35:33.000 Like, it changes your world. 0.96

01:35:34.000 Those things are fucking awesome. 0.93

01:35:35.000 I've done it, like, two or three times. 1.00

01:35:36.000 You're fucking mind-blowing dope. 0.99

01:35:37.000 Is there a good spot near you? 1.00

01:35:39.000 No, not near me.

01:35:40.000 On the road.

01:35:41.000 Yeah, yeah, on the road.

01:35:42.000 Two hours up north. 0.99

01:35:43.000 That sucks. 0.55

01:35:45.000 Yeah, Dan should open up a spot down there. 0.93

01:35:48.000 I mean, it'd be great for fighters.

01:35:50.000 As long as you keep them from jacking off in there.

01:35:52.000 That's a problem.

01:35:53.000 You get a little too relaxed.

01:35:57.000 Certain guys that are already flagged like, nah, so-and-so can't come in these waters, man.

01:36:02.000 You gotta evacuate my brother.

01:36:04.000 You gotta have a passport for these waters, sir.

01:36:07.000 Yeah, there's certain dudes that are just freaks.

01:36:09.000 You gotta be careful with them. 1.00

01:36:11.000 Athletic freaks and fucking... 1.00

01:36:13.000 Yeah, freak freaks. 1.00

01:36:14.000 Double freaks. 0.99

01:36:15.000 Yeah.

01:36:16.000 Well, you guys have how many people at your gym?

01:36:18.000 You probably have one of the freakiest gyms ever in terms of talent, overall talent.

01:36:22.000 How many fighters are there?

01:36:24.000 I don't know, man.

01:36:25.000 Sometimes I get to the pro classes and there's like 50 pro fighters on the mat, you know?

01:36:29.000 That is crazy.

01:36:29.000 40 pro fighters on the mat because the main mat and the other main mat are covered in the cages, covered in the square cage where I'm always training at, which fits like another 10 people.

01:36:39.000 It's completely covered with pro athletes, you know?

01:36:43.000 And that day we have the 11 o'clock to like 12.45 session and then a different session for like either the lighter or the bigger guys will come in at a different session, you know?

01:36:53.000 And then we got guys throughout the day doing their individual training.

01:36:57.000 So, it's just a crazy amount of time.

01:36:58.000 How much of your time is spent doing group classes versus how much of it is time individual, specialized stuff, like, say, working on something, a combination of land on till, or, you know, what you're planning for Askren?

01:37:10.000 Group classes will be more like...

01:37:13.000 Well, I won't really learn...

01:37:15.000 It's not that I can't learn too much, but I'm not...

01:37:17.000 Like Mike Brown, for example, which is the guy that runs my camp at American Thompson.

01:37:23.000 Great guy.

01:37:24.000 Not only is he a great guy, but his brain is... 1.00

01:37:27.000 He's like Elon Musk of fighting and shit, man. 0.99

01:37:30.000 His ideas are fucking dope, solid, and way ahead of their time always. 0.99

01:37:35.000 A lot of stuff that we're seeing now, Mike Brown's been preaching to us for a while. 0.98

01:37:39.000 So he knows me pretty well.

01:37:40.000 He knows, man, Masvidal can only do about two moves a day.

01:37:44.000 So if he's going to show me something, he'll show me one to two moves tops.

01:37:48.000 And I'm a driller.

01:37:49.000 I'll just drill those moves as many times as it takes me for me to get them.

01:37:53.000 And that's like my group setting.

01:37:55.000 That's like, okay, go just drill this.

01:37:57.000 And he knows that I need at least an hour of drilling with a brand new move for me to get it.

01:38:02.000 And then after that, just go live with whoever's in the class, whoever they brought for me.

01:38:08.000 Now, when you say you drill a lot, are you drilling a lot?

01:38:11.000 Striking drills, MMA drills, wrestling drills, basically everything.

01:38:15.000 You just constantly drill.

01:38:16.000 I'm a driller.

01:38:17.000 I drill a ton and I go live a ton.

01:38:20.000 But I like to...

01:38:23.000 Complimented with a lot of drilling.

01:38:24.000 I just feel that I'm always at my best game when I drill.

01:38:27.000 Now, sometimes I take away from drilling completely because I feel drilled out.

01:38:29.000 Like, man, I've been drilling so much.

01:38:31.000 I just want to go live now.

01:38:32.000 You know, but I'm usually every day that I'm in a gym, I'm drilling a particular technique, you know?

01:38:37.000 I think that's so important.

01:38:39.000 Oh, super important.

01:38:40.000 For every martial art, jiu-jitsu, anything.

01:38:42.000 Martial arts, sport, you know, you're drilling your free throws or whatever it is.

01:38:46.000 You have to just drill it until your body knows how to do it without thinking about it.

01:38:50.000 Yeah, that's why when you see guys that just spar too much and all they want to do is spar, like, man, you're decreasing your chances of successing at the thing you're enjoying because you're just not spending enough time focusing on the fundamentals and techniques.

01:39:04.000 Got to sharpen the tools.

01:39:05.000 Yeah, and keep those tools, keep moving them around, keep adding to them.

01:39:09.000 Of course. 0.99

01:39:10.000 Driving guys fucking nuts. 0.97

01:39:12.000 When you just drill and eventually you hit that 1,000 mark, It's not the same when you were doing it five or six times. 0.99

01:39:19.000 I'm giving out too much wisdom now.

01:39:21.000 These people are going to know what's up.

01:39:22.000 But that's the way to do it is drilling.

01:39:25.000 It's boring.

01:39:26.000 So people don't enjoy it as much.

01:39:27.000 It's not nearly as exciting. 0.76

01:39:29.000 I'm the only sociopath.

01:39:30.000 And you could ask Mike Brown.

01:39:32.000 I enjoy drilling at a good pace, good speed, where we're just going.

01:39:36.000 And it's almost like a live where I'm just drilling that move, but I'm giving all my energy into it.

01:39:40.000 I love it, man.

01:39:41.000 Well, you're also aware that that's going to bring you success.

01:39:43.000 Yeah.

01:39:44.000 Oh, of course.

01:39:45.000 But I just love it.

01:39:47.000 Making sure that my penetration step is right or my left hand was up when I threw my right hand and my coach goes, hey, good job.

01:39:54.000 Do it again.

01:39:54.000 Okay, bam.

01:39:55.000 I fucking love it, man. 0.92

01:39:57.000 Now, when you have a fight coming up, like say with Askren, are you watching footage on him? 0.98

01:40:00.000 Nah, I don't watch footage.

01:40:02.000 Mike Brown, Paulina Hernandez, Gallo, they'll watch footage and tell me what to do and what not to do, you know?

01:40:08.000 Like for the Till fight, same thing, you know?

01:40:10.000 Or maybe they'll send me like a clip that they wanted to see me, like when Woodley fought Till.

01:40:15.000 They're like, look how Woodley countered him with this.

01:40:18.000 Or look what Till did there.

01:40:20.000 They sent me like little clips and I'll watch him, but to watch fights, no, I don't really watch.

01:40:23.000 Like my opponents fight.

01:40:25.000 Now what about recovery?

01:40:26.000 Do you guys, do you get a lot of massage?

01:40:29.000 Do you do ice baths? 0.99

01:40:30.000 Do any shit like that? 1.00

01:40:31.000 I do. 1.00

01:40:33.000 I've always done ice baths in there throughout my career.

01:40:36.000 Thanks to my good friend, Michael Miller, I try to do a lot more, which I still need to do more, you know, a good two, three times a week is when I feel like at my best.

01:40:44.000 Sauna, I use it for recovery, you know?

01:40:46.000 Especially after, like, a lot of the guests that you've had in your show.

01:40:48.000 I've always done the sauna to cut weight.

01:40:50.000 Mm-hmm.

01:40:51.000 And knew that it had great benefits in training in the sauna, but I didn't know the science behind it.

01:40:56.000 Then you have, like, Dr. Ron, like, a Patrick come in, and it's, like, mind-blowing.

01:41:00.000 Yeah.

01:41:00.000 Wow, this all makes sense.

01:41:03.000 Why the sauna is so amazing.

01:41:05.000 Why I feel great after I use the sauna.

01:41:07.000 Maybe not immediately, because... 0.99

01:41:08.000 After a two-hour wrestling practice or striking practice, and then you go in the sauna because you're, like, heavy, and they want you to work out in there, you feel like shit afterwards. 0.96

01:41:15.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:41:16.000 But surprisingly, the next day, I don't feel that bad or the day after that. 0.98

01:41:19.000 And I just thought, nothing of it, you know, just fucking whatever, man. 0.91

01:41:24.000 It's just, I feel good today. 0.99

01:41:25.000 I had a great breakfast, I guess.

01:41:27.000 But I started thinking about times that I was implementing the sauna a lot in my training regimen to times I wasn't, and I was like, wow, the sauna thing's amazing for everything, you know?

01:41:37.000 Yeah, no, it's huge.

01:41:38.000 It's giant for reduction of inflammation.

01:41:40.000 There was that study that they did in, was it Norway or Sweden or somewhere, where they said there's a 40% decrease in mortality amongst all causes.

01:41:49.000 Stroke, heart attack, cancer, everything.

01:41:52.000 What?

01:41:53.000 Yeah, 40% decrease in mortality for people that use the sauna.

01:41:56.000 I think it was four times a week.

01:41:58.000 For 20 minutes at a time at 180 degrees.

01:42:01.000 I think that was the study that they ran.

01:42:03.000 180 degrees?

01:42:04.000 Yeah, which is normal temperature.

01:42:08.000 Anywhere between 170 and 190s where a lot of people have their sauna set.

01:42:12.000 But they said that in that hot range for 20 minutes, your body produces so many heat shock proteins that it helps with so many different health problems.

01:42:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:42:23.000 When I heard Miss Patrick say all those things, my fucking mind blew up. 0.99

01:42:29.000 Yeah, it's crazy, right? 0.99

01:42:30.000 I was like, I don't I'll never have to take pharmaceutical drugs.

01:42:33.000 Nobody's ever going to tell me, you need these pills to survive.

01:42:36.000 Right, right.

01:42:36.000 And then people that hear this, do they doubt it?

01:42:38.000 You know, they have one profiter telling you, Joe Rogan telling you, and they had a doctor telling you, you want to cure problems, just go in the sauna.

01:42:45.000 Yeah, man, people with arthritis.

01:42:47.000 And, you know, another thing that's great is cryotherapy.

01:42:49.000 Cryotherapy is great for people with inflammation issues, too.

01:42:53.000 Anything where you can get your body freaking out about temperature.

01:42:56.000 Your body freaks out about temperature, whether it's cold or hot.

01:42:58.000 Your body produces cold shock or heat shock proteins, and then that really helps your body reduce inflammation. 0.99

01:43:05.000 That's fucking insane. 0.90

01:43:06.000 You just feel better, too, right? 0.99

01:43:07.000 You get out of there, you're like, ah, I just feel better.

01:43:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:09.000 Even when I be sucked out, like, man, I feel like fucking shit. 1.00

01:43:12.000 I just lost fucking four or five pounds of water after a practice in the sun and you feel like shit. 1.00

01:43:17.000 But then I take a bath and then go to sleep, wake up the next day feeling good, you know? 0.99

01:43:22.000 I put the water back in the system, obviously, but I would just feel good.

01:43:25.000 And I didn't quite know why this is happening, you know?

01:43:30.000 Like, let's say I got kicked in my elbow. 0.94

01:43:31.000 My elbow would blow up and then for some reason that day I had fucking 45 minutes of in the sauna because that's when my coaches thought I needed. 0.94

01:43:39.000 The swelling would dramatically go down, but I wouldn't attribute it to that. 0.99

01:43:41.000 I'd just be like, oh shit, that's crazy, bro. 0.99

01:43:43.000 I'm fucking Wolverine, you know? 1.00

01:43:46.000 Well, I'm sure B and Wolverine had something to do with it. 0.99

01:43:48.000 But the sauna had something to do with it, too.

01:43:51.000 Now, as you're getting, you know, you're one of the top contenders in the division now, and as things kind of heat up, are you having to do more media obligations before your big fights now?

01:44:01.000 No.

01:44:02.000 No? 0.99

01:44:02.000 Because I just fucking say no, man. 0.99

01:44:04.000 Do you? 0.99

01:44:04.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

01:44:05.000 I don't fucking... 0.96

01:44:06.000 What if you get a fight for the title? 1.00

01:44:08.000 They're probably going to make you do all that shit, won't they? 0.99

01:44:10.000 You want this circus show? 1.00

01:44:13.000 This is how it comes, buddy. 1.00

01:44:15.000 You know, because I can't do all that shit. 0.99

01:44:18.000 I'm going to fucking fly to LA, fly to New York, fly here. 1.00

01:44:21.000 Wrecks you, right? 1.00

01:44:21.000 I want to pay you. 1.00

01:44:23.000 Now, don't get me wrong. 0.99

01:44:24.000 I'm a fucking soldier for the money. 0.99

01:44:26.000 Pay me for these fucking numerous TV outlet stores you got me going to and selling products. 1.00

01:44:30.000 I'll do it, man. 0.98

01:44:31.000 You know, and I don't want to sound like I'm not a company man, but I like to get paid for my services.

01:44:35.000 If I got to be talking to numerous people, that's not what I signed up for. 0.95

01:44:38.000 I signed up to punch people in the face. 0.98

01:44:40.000 Right. 0.99

01:44:40.000 Let's get that right. 0.99

01:44:41.000 You know, if I got to give speeches out, giving out my secrets of wisdom, pay me some money for that.

01:44:47.000 I'm cool.

01:44:47.000 I'll do whatever you want then.

01:44:49.000 Yeah.

01:44:50.000 Well, it definitely takes away from you too.

01:44:54.000 Yeah, it does.

01:44:55.000 So much time, so much energy you have in this life.

01:44:57.000 No, it definitely takes away.

01:44:58.000 Yeah.

01:44:59.000 Definitely takes away.

01:45:00.000 And I feel also like the guys that are constantly putting stuff out there, right? 1.00

01:45:04.000 Shit, man. 1.00

01:45:05.000 People get bored of fucking just putting shit out there, you know? 1.00

01:45:08.000 Certain people are putting certain things out there. 1.00

01:45:10.000 They fucking gravitate to these things. 0.95

01:45:12.000 This guy's not on a lot of talk shows or whatever. 0.99

01:45:14.000 I want to hear what he had to say on this particular one. 1.00

01:45:16.000 If you're constantly like, this guy's an asshole and this guy's an asshole, everybody already knows. 1.00

01:45:22.000 The notification comes in, they already fucking put you on mute, you know? 1.00

01:45:25.000 Right, right, right. 0.99

01:45:25.000 And you did that to yourself. 0.99

01:45:27.000 You got nobody to blame but yourself, you little Instagram whore. 1.00

01:45:30.000 And I'm not talking about to the ladies. 1.00

01:45:32.000 I would never talk to a lady like that. 1.00

01:45:33.000 I'm talking about to the dudes that are fucking straight sluts. 1.00

01:45:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:36.000 To my ladies, I love you long time.

01:45:39.000 Me loving you always.

01:45:41.000 When you have been in the game as long as you have, and have been as successful as you have, you have information that is very valuable to young fighters. 0.86

01:45:50.000 They can learn shit from you without having to experience a lot of the negative things that you've experienced.

01:45:56.000 Some of the mistakes that you've made, some of the things you learned that were positive, you can teach people. 0.99

01:46:02.000 But oftentimes...

01:46:04.000 As fighters get older then retire, all that knowledge just goes away.

01:46:09.000 It just gets lost because the fighters either don't become a coach or don't ever write it down or don't do interviews.

01:46:14.000 I think a guy like you in particular, because you're a very crafty fighter, you have a lot of valuable information for young people, for young guys coming up.

01:46:23.000 Oh, I do.

01:46:25.000 I know it.

01:46:26.000 And you know how I got that information?

01:46:28.000 Putting myself in uncomfortable spots.

01:46:30.000 I went to the University of Wyoming, which I loved that experience.

01:46:34.000 It's higher than Colorado.

01:46:36.000 And I'm with a D1 national program ran by Mark Branch.

01:46:42.000 I mean, David Branch, I'm sorry.

01:46:44.000 And Chris Pendleton. 0.99

01:46:46.000 These guys are fucking studs and they let me come in there. 1.00

01:46:48.000 I'm just some MMA fucking fighter, man. 0.99

01:46:50.000 You know, and they let me come in there, stay with them for about a month and just wrestle and be a part of the program. 0.98

01:46:56.000 So I learned what worked at the high level or not, because I might think when you get a single leg, I could backflip out of it.

01:47:03.000 I might think.

01:47:04.000 When I go over here to this university, I'm going to find that if it works or not.

01:47:09.000 I did the same thing.

01:47:10.000 I went to the University of Oregon, got to wrestle over there.

01:47:14.000 I've done a lot of high-level boxing camps with good boxers, just being around them.

01:47:19.000 Amateur world champions, gold medalists.

01:47:21.000 In Miami, we're a hub for the Cuban crime wave of great boxers. 1.00

01:47:26.000 We get all these guys that are Olympians that come in there, and I'd be at the gym with them.

01:47:30.000 Picking their brain, getting beat up by them, learning since I was young.

01:47:33.000 So for the boxing fundamentals, I got very, very lucky.

01:47:36.000 I didn't even know what I had to me at that axis.

01:47:39.000 I'd be working out with gold medalists, world champions.

01:47:42.000 It was insane, you know?

01:47:43.000 So one thing I would tell any young fighter, if you want to learn something, submerge in it.

01:47:47.000 You know, if I want to learn jujitsu, I'm not going to go to Rex Kwon Do. 0.92

01:47:51.000 I'm going to fucking go find the dopest jujitsu guy and get humbled. 0.97

01:47:54.000 You know, a lot of people don't like to get humbled. 0.99

01:47:56.000 I don't want to go with that guy.

01:47:57.000 He's really good at wrestling.

01:47:58.000 No, man. 1.00

01:47:59.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:48:00.000 Put the ego aside and go get humbled. 1.00

01:48:03.000 Learn.

01:48:03.000 Because the more time you put into that craft, eventually whatever is bad will get good if you put the time into it, you know?

01:48:10.000 And a lot of people don't like to do that.

01:48:11.000 And I think even more nowadays that I see on the mat now with the egos and the social media and like people filming and shit, there's a lot of pro fighters that I see sitting out that don't want to do the wrestling class because a couple wrestling studs just walked in through the door.

01:48:26.000 So there's like two types of guys that when I see these All-American and National Champions, I'm like, whoa!

01:48:31.000 Today's going to be a good practice.

01:48:32.000 These guys are my weight.

01:48:33.000 I better be on my A-game, man.

01:48:35.000 I'm going to put some good music on. 0.99

01:48:36.000 This shit's going to get crazy. 0.99

01:48:38.000 Or there's the guys that when they walk in, they're like, nah, I don't need it. 0.99

01:48:42.000 Anyways, I'm not fighting a wrestler.

01:48:43.000 I don't need it. 0.96

01:48:43.000 Me, I'm always hyped for the challenge to push myself to the fucking sheer limit and see what comes out of that. 0.96

01:48:50.000 So you think a lot of it is just a mentality to embrace struggle and embrace difficult moments and embrace the opportunity to learn and grow?

01:48:58.000 Yes.

01:48:59.000 And unfortunately, in this sport, you don't have to get a concussion because in boxing, you don't take me wrong.

01:49:04.000 You don't have to spar hard to be a good striker.

01:49:06.000 You don't.

01:49:06.000 But there's certain things like wrestling.

01:49:08.000 You got to wrestle hard.

01:49:09.000 You got to drill hard.

01:49:09.000 Jiu-Jitsu, same thing.

01:49:10.000 You got to drill hard.

01:49:12.000 You're going with Marcelo Garcia. 0.99

01:49:13.000 You're going to get fucking tapped a bunch of times. 0.99

01:49:15.000 Guess what, buddy? 1.00

01:49:16.000 Who cares, bro?

01:49:17.000 Learn that humbling experience.

01:49:19.000 Enjoy that.

01:49:20.000 If you get a chance to roll with a guy like that, take full advantage of it.

01:49:24.000 Nowadays, it seems like sometimes people don't want to do that.

01:49:27.000 I'm in the mix a lot.

01:49:28.000 I'm in one of the biggest gyms, and I see sometimes guys don't want to take those challenges in.

01:49:33.000 Like a top-notch MMA fighter, go straight wrestling with some college wrestler, some high school kid that's just a stud at wrestling.

01:49:40.000 Do that.

01:49:41.000 Put yourself in that uncomfortable position.

01:49:42.000 See what happens, bro.

01:49:45.000 Do you think you'll ever be a coach?

01:49:47.000 I could be.

01:49:48.000 I got a couple amateurs that I got.

01:49:50.000 I got my boy, Charlie Decker.

01:49:53.000 He's also a friend and an amateur.

01:49:57.000 He's doing good things in amateur.

01:49:58.000 Now he's going to go pro.

01:49:59.000 He's going to tear it up, man.

01:50:01.000 One day, hopefully, he'll be in your show and get an interview.

01:50:03.000 The guy's got a lot of talent.

01:50:05.000 I don't know.

01:50:06.000 I don't know if I'll be a coach.

01:50:08.000 It's a full-time job.

01:50:09.000 It's a full-time job.

01:50:10.000 You got to be committed to somebody, right?

01:50:12.000 If they don't have the same mentality that you had, you're going to get frustrated.

01:50:17.000 Sometimes fighters don't like to pay, man.

01:50:19.000 What are you going to do now?

01:50:19.000 You got to collect from a fighter?

01:50:22.000 Shit's going to get crazy, man. 1.00

01:50:23.000 A lot of them don't like to pay. 1.00

01:50:24.000 A lot of them don't like to pay.

01:50:25.000 And you know something about me, Joe?

01:50:26.000 I like money, man.

01:50:27.000 If I work, I better get paid, man. 0.99

01:50:29.000 Because if I don't get paid, it's going to be a fucking problem, man. 0.99

01:50:33.000 It's going to be a fucking problem. 0.99

01:50:34.000 But there's a lot of fighters that do pay and that are fucking amazing and that are the most straight-edge dudes, you know. 0.98

01:50:41.000 Yeah, I mean, certainly a guy like you, if you ever did decide to be a coach, you would have a lot of choices.

01:50:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:50:48.000 But what I'm getting at is that, at the very least, you should write some of this shit down. 0.99

01:50:54.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:50:55.000 It's written down.

01:50:56.000 Is it?

01:50:56.000 Yeah, we got the Street Survival series coming out.

01:50:59.000 Volume 1, 2, and 3 is going to drop very soon.

01:51:01.000 Books?

01:51:02.000 Books, DVDs, everything.

01:51:03.000 Everything's coming out.

01:51:04.000 That's good to hear, man.

01:51:05.000 I don't know when it's coming out, but it's coming out soon, though, man.

01:51:07.000 You should write a book about your experience in music. 0.62

01:51:09.000 Just going from the backyard fights that people could see on the internet with Kimbo to where you are today, it's pretty fucking incredible.

01:51:16.000 Oh, it's amazing. 0.70

01:51:17.000 That's what I mean.

01:51:17.000 What an incredible rise to the top.

01:51:19.000 Yeah.

01:51:20.000 And you know what's something I can tell all the young fighters?

01:51:22.000 Before anybody saw this, before anybody saw me on YouTube or anything, I saw it up here.

01:51:27.000 I invested in myself.

01:51:28.000 I believed in myself.

01:51:30.000 That's why I put myself in these tough situations to go with the best wrestler in the workout room, the best striker from the world and just constantly get there because I knew the difference between me and them was only time.

01:51:41.000 I just had to put it in time.

01:51:42.000 Where'd you develop this mentality?

01:51:44.000 Where'd you get it?

01:51:45.000 Where'd I get it? 0.89

01:51:47.000 Maybe God opened up my mind and just gave me the message of just growing up very humble and just fucking wanting certain things that I didn't have and just like, oh, I'm gonna get this.

01:51:56.000 But understanding that really just takes work. 0.93

01:51:58.000 Just really takes work.

01:51:59.000 But really understanding it.

01:52:00.000 Yeah, really just takes work.

01:52:01.000 Yeah, it really takes work and it really takes the right mindset.

01:52:04.000 Not just the work itself, but the way you're embracing difficult challenges.

01:52:09.000 Instead of shying away from them to protect your ego, you're doing the opposite.

01:52:13.000 God's too.

01:52:14.000 It's the only way.

01:52:15.000 It's the only way.

01:52:16.000 In combat sports.

01:52:17.000 In combat sports, yeah.

01:52:18.000 Tennis, maybe there's another way.

01:52:19.000 I'm not coaching tennis.

01:52:21.000 Right. 0.99

01:52:21.000 But as long as combat sports is you're not being set up, but someone's going to fucking murder you when you're first starting out. 0.99

01:52:26.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:52:27.000 With striking.

01:52:27.000 That's not what you want.

01:52:28.000 You don't want to get, yeah, you know, I've got 10 pro fights, your first day here and I break your nose, that doesn't do anything, you know?

01:52:34.000 Right, right. 0.99

01:52:34.000 But it's just embracing those challenges, whether it be running a mile in six minutes or drilling for two hours long, just two techniques because you're kind of dumb and you fucking got to just do it over and over and over and over. 0.99

01:52:46.000 Embrace it, you know? 0.96

01:52:47.000 I'm glad you're going to put some of this information out.

01:52:49.000 I think this is something that, as I was saying, like a guy like you that's been in the game for a long, long time and you've learned a lot about what it takes to become a world-class fighter.

01:52:59.000 That information a lot of times just goes away when that fire retires.

01:53:03.000 I mean, so many fighters have retired and you don't really know too much about the process or what they learned.

01:53:09.000 We got a documentary that's been filming for about three years, but we've had trouble when the UFC sold it to ESPN getting all the rights and things that go associated with dropping a documentary like that.

01:53:19.000 And in that documentary, I told them from the start when we were going to do it, if we're going to do it, I want it done right and meaning I want a lot of control over it.

01:53:26.000 And I want a lot of training, you know?

01:53:29.000 I want a lot of the things that I do in training to get me in shape.

01:53:31.000 Some people find it cool, some people won't.

01:53:33.000 So in that documentary, there's a lot of just how I straight up train, you know, like a lot of the Cuban mythology that goes behind it from my coaches that are Cuban, what we like to do to prepare for the fight, how we break it down. 0.92

01:53:44.000 Do you do different shit than people normally see?

01:53:49.000 In the preparation? 0.99

01:53:50.000 Yeah, actually.

01:53:52.000 You know Joel well, you know?

01:53:54.000 Sure.

01:53:55.000 And stuff.

01:53:57.000 Joel, my coach, which used to train Joel as well, and a lot of the Cuban community, they have a big...

01:54:05.000 Especially if they grew up in Cuba, they have that big conspiracy theory like nobody else. 0.99

01:54:09.000 Whenever I'm hitting pads or anything like that and I'm about to fight somebody, you will never see me do a technique on the pads that I will do in the fight.

01:54:17.000 I shouldn't even say this because my coach is going to slap me in the face.

01:54:20.000 You will never see me do anything that might resemble anything I do in the fight.

01:54:23.000 And he lives by that.

01:54:25.000 He's another guy that just shies away from cameras, hates cameras.

01:54:28.000 He's always in my corner.

01:54:30.000 He's got a yellow bandana or something yellow.

01:54:31.000 He's been in my corner, Joel's corner, numerous guys' corner.

01:54:35.000 And they're very secretive of the training.

01:54:39.000 They think that everybody's watching.

01:54:40.000 They are.

01:54:41.000 They think America might invade Cuba still.

01:54:44.000 They might.

01:54:44.000 Who knows, right?

01:54:45.000 So the training footage, they don't want that leaking out, you know?

01:54:50.000 Most of my career have been like that.

01:54:51.000 But for the documentary we opened up on a lot of things that we do for training, from reflexes to ways to recover, how we spar, how I set up the sparring, things like that. 0.98

01:55:01.000 What kind of shit do you do that's unusual? 0.98

01:55:04.000 Not unusual, I guess I would say, but I don't know. 1.00

01:55:09.000 We could do like two hours of boxing, right?

01:55:12.000 Just straight boxing.

01:55:13.000 And we would just break down fundamentals. 0.98

01:55:16.000 I would just do two hours, just straight basics, which is fucking boring. 0.71

01:55:21.000 But it's just like endurance mixed with the technique, you know? 0.84

01:55:24.000 We do also a lot of right from here, from this chair.

01:55:27.000 We'll punch from here, hit the pads from here. 0.92

01:55:29.000 From the chair? 0.97

01:55:30.000 From the chair.

01:55:30.000 Yeah.

01:55:31.000 Just our core and arms.

01:55:34.000 With the pads, with the gloves.

01:55:36.000 Hmm.

01:55:39.000 Just go five minute rounds.

01:55:41.000 Without using your legs?

01:55:42.000 Without using the legs. 0.98

01:55:44.000 You try it out and you tell me how that feels, you know, it's fucking great, you know. 1.00

01:55:47.000 Like right now for that I'm gonna get kicked in the fucking leg pretty hard, you know. 0.99

01:55:51.000 He's, bro, when I tell you this man is secretive. 0.99

01:55:54.000 How's he gonna feel about the documentary?

01:55:56.000 He doesn't know how much he's getting into the documentary.

01:56:00.000 Because he's very like, this is for us, you know, why would you release this while you're still fighting?

01:56:05.000 Release this when you're done fighting type guy, you know?

01:56:08.000 Why do you want to release it while you're still fighting? 0.99

01:56:10.000 I mean, fucking, you can't stop the sun from rising. 0.99

01:56:13.000 You're not going to stop me if you know my techniques, you know? 0.99

01:56:17.000 It's not going to change anything.

01:56:19.000 That's what's coming is coming, you know, that's a beautiful way to look at it Listen brother.

01:56:24.000 I'm glad we got together and did this man.

01:56:26.000 I appreciate you as a fighter You're an interesting cat and I wish you nothing but the best and I'm very excited to see that fight Try to reach all right Game bread What is it and game bread MMA?

01:56:40.000 What is your bread fighter game bread fighter?

01:56:43.000 And if you want one of these little three pieces of soda shirts...

01:56:46.000 Oh, is that a three pieces of soda shirt? 0.99

01:56:48.000 You made a fucking shirt after it. 0.99

01:56:50.000 Made the shirt after it. 1.00

01:56:52.000 That's hilarious.

01:56:52.000 I gotta get paid because fighting does alright, but it doesn't really pay us how we should, you know?

01:56:56.000 I hear you.

01:56:57.000 Where did someone get that shirt?

01:56:59.000 Three pieces of soda.

01:57:00.000 Hold on, we'll figure this out.

01:57:02.000 I actually know where to get these.

01:57:04.000 So it's GameBreadFighter on Instagram, GameBreadFighter on Twitter.

01:57:07.000 Same thing, right?

01:57:08.000 Yes, sir.

01:57:09.000 And GameBreadOfficial.com if you want your shirt.

01:57:13.000 But at the end of this week, the website's fully running and stuff.

01:57:17.000 You get all the shirts you want.

01:57:18.000 Get yourself a three-piece in a soda, ladies and gentlemen. 0.64

01:57:21.000 Thank you, brother.

01:57:22.000 That was awesome.

01:57:23.000 Yes, sir.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 17, 2010

JRE MMA Show #63 with Jorge Masvidal

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