The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #65 with Corey Anderson

00:00:02.000 Three, two, one, boom. 0.99

00:00:03.000 Corey Anderson, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:05.000 What's up?

00:00:05.000 How are you, man?

00:00:06.000 What's going on, Joe?

00:00:07.000 We finally did it.

00:00:07.000 Finally did it.

00:00:08.000 We're here.

00:00:09.000 And got some techno hunting as well.

00:00:11.000 I told you about that game.

00:00:13.000 That game's very addictive, isn't it?

00:00:15.000 I'm already trying to get back out to do some more when it's over.

00:00:17.000 You get itchy, right?

00:00:18.000 Yeah.

00:00:19.000 No, it's amazing, man.

00:00:20.000 That game's incredible.

00:00:22.000 How long have you been bow hunting for?

00:00:23.000 I've been bow hunting since I was 16 or 17, but I've been hunting my whole life.

00:00:28.000 Wow.

00:00:29.000 What switched you over to bowhunting?

00:00:30.000 I'm a high school teammate, actually.

00:00:32.000 I used to go rabbit hunting and stuff with a shotgun, and I've been shooting the bow since I was like 12 or 11, just 3D shooting.

00:00:39.000 Like, you ever bowhunting with him?

00:00:40.000 Like, you can hunt with this?

00:00:41.000 Like, yeah.

00:00:42.000 Like, we go hunting all the time.

00:00:43.000 So one day before school, he picked me up, and I went over to my buddy's house and got up in the stand.

00:00:47.000 Well, he got in the stand.

00:00:48.000 I couldn't climb because I didn't know what I was doing.

00:00:50.000 I got stuck at the bottom of the tree.

00:00:52.000 Sitting with my bow in my lap.

00:00:54.000 But that was my first time.

00:00:55.000 After that, I just kept going.

00:00:56.000 Every now and then, in between practices and whatnot.

00:00:59.000 But now, when I got time between fighting and whatnot, I'm all hunting.

00:01:03.000 That's it.

00:01:03.000 Well, I can tell by your Instagram, man.

00:01:05.000 I follow your Instagram.

00:01:06.000 You're constantly shooting and hunting and practicing and...

00:01:11.000 It gets in your blood.

00:01:12.000 I mean, it's just like fighting.

00:01:13.000 Like I said, we're doing techno hunting.

00:01:15.000 I do it so much, just muscle memory.

00:01:17.000 Like, everybody thinks, oh, you spend too much time hunting, you're not training.

00:01:19.000 But then I go win a fight, and I'm like, oh, that was impressive.

00:01:21.000 Like, I still train two, three times a day, but I get home from the gym, and I always have a bow in my truck.

00:01:27.000 I have three bows, and one is always in my truck.

00:01:29.000 So I pull up, pop the doors open, grab my speaker, and the target is right there.

00:01:33.000 Get like 30 to 60 shots and then go in, spend time with the family, eat, go back to the gym.

00:01:37.000 Go to the range and shoot indoors when it's dark.

00:01:40.000 I'm always shooting.

00:01:41.000 I just enjoy it.

00:01:42.000 Wow.

00:01:43.000 So is it like a part of meditation for you, do you think?

00:01:46.000 100%.

00:01:46.000 Coming off the OSP fight, that was actually the first time I hunted in Jersey.

00:01:50.000 I've been in Jersey since 2014 when the show came out.

00:01:53.000 And after the OSP fight and all that stuff, and everybody told me, don't pay attention.

00:01:56.000 You was winning that fight.

00:01:57.000 You got caught.

00:01:58.000 Don't let the people get in your head and tell you you're not there.

00:02:00.000 So actually, the next day I went home, went and bought my hunting license and bought a stand and hunted in Jersey for the first time.

00:02:05.000 And that helped me.

00:02:06.000 I didn't think about it at all.

00:02:07.000 From November to February 1st, I was in a tree stand every day.

00:02:11.000 And I went back to training, like full camp with everything in my mind.

00:02:14.000 I forgot all about that OSP fight.

00:02:17.000 And that's when I told my wife, I found my balance.

00:02:19.000 You know, the thing was...

00:02:20.000 I was always in the gym, and that's why the name 25-8 came, because Corey never, at the time, I didn't do anything else but train.

00:02:26.000 You know, I would train to go to the gym and train, to go to therapy, go back to the gym and train, go home, run, go to the garage, hit the heavy back, go to Mark Henry's hip pads, and go train again.

00:02:35.000 So, like, I was selling a wheel on the way here when I first went to UFC, and I'd say, oh, Corey's grew, he's gotten bigger.

00:02:41.000 I've always been a big guy.

00:02:42.000 I was 300 pounds one time.

00:02:44.000 But when I got down to 205, I always told myself, I don't want to get heavier than, like, 210, 212. So, every day I had, like, a goal.

00:02:51.000 I wanted to end the day off no heavier than 212. So, if I was, like, 215 from eating too much, and it's 10 o'clock at night, I got to lace up and go for a run.

00:02:58.000 So, I was all, every morning I wake up at 210. So, that's why I took the fights, like, Jan Black, which was on two, three weeks notice.

00:03:05.000 Fabio Maldonado in Brazil on a week notice, because I didn't have to cut weight.

00:03:08.000 I was like, okay, just go.

00:03:10.000 But when I got to Jimmy Manuel, and he told me at the bar, he was like, bro, you're a good fighter.

00:03:14.000 You're just too small.

00:03:15.000 Like, I weighed in.

00:03:17.000 Friday and Saturday, I slept in the cage looking at Zach saying I gained like six pounds.

00:03:21.000 And he told me, you gotta eat, you gotta feed yourself.

00:03:24.000 And after I did that, that was probably the best advice I ever got from a fighter.

00:03:27.000 Because now I walk around like 235 and I feel great.

00:03:29.000 Like the last fight with Glover, on two weeks notice, I was 236. I got the weight off and hydrated right back up and felt fine, fantastic.

00:03:37.000 Went out there and did my thing.

00:03:38.000 Because I treat my body right now.

00:03:40.000 So you're 236 up until like how far out of the fight?

00:03:44.000 Gotcha.

00:03:44.000 I'll just say at least 2.30, 2.30, 2.31 until like two weeks out.

00:03:48.000 And I'll start tapering on like 2.25 area and just get 20 pounds of water off.

00:03:52.000 A lot of water, drinking the water load.

00:03:54.000 And then Tuesday is the first day I hit it hard and just start trimming down.

00:04:00.000 So you feel like that extra pounds helps you in what way?

00:04:04.000 It's recovery.

00:04:05.000 That's for getting rocked as well.

00:04:06.000 Like that was the thing in college.

00:04:08.000 My coach, he was always trained in wrestling.

00:04:10.000 We're going to go a whole practice.

00:04:11.000 Nobody go get a water.

00:04:12.000 If I see anybody go to the water fountain, we're doing sprints, whatever.

00:04:15.000 That means you're weak.

00:04:16.000 You know, it was great because we trained.

00:04:17.000 And in the mat, you see guys gassing for water in third period.

00:04:21.000 We all standing tall, ready to go.

00:04:22.000 I had that same mentality when it came to fighting because you got to think, now we're taking blows to the head.

00:04:26.000 So I got to keep water, keep that brain hydrated because if I'm dehydrated, that one shot is lights out.

00:04:32.000 You don't have anything to help take it.

00:04:33.000 So it's like, like I said, after OSP fighting and hunting and everything, I just went back and did a lot of figuring things out before that Pat Cummins fight and I just knew what I had to do to be the best me.

00:04:43.000 And like I said, getting bigger, stronger, not worrying about keeping my weight low.

00:04:47.000 The weight is going to come off.

00:04:48.000 It's going to be hard sometimes, but it's going to come off.

00:04:51.000 But that's when I will not miss weight.

00:04:53.000 If I've got to kill myself, I'm going to end up in the hospital before I miss weight.

00:04:57.000 So putting all that together, now I feel like I have the recipe.

00:05:00.000 So the recipe was, did you start weightlifting?

00:05:04.000 What did you do to pack on the extra weight?

00:05:06.000 Yeah, weightlifting was a big thing, big key to my brother first before I had the strength and conditioning coaches that was on board.

00:05:12.000 My coach before was great for cardio, same guy Frank Yeager had.

00:05:15.000 And we had cardio, and we were getting strong, but it wasn't like size building strong.

00:05:19.000 It was like mobility, strength to punch and keep the cardio up.

00:05:22.000 Then my brother, he had a contract to play pro ball back in, what, like 2000 or whatever.

00:05:28.000 So he knew all the combine lifts and whatever.

00:05:30.000 He hit me up and said, bro, we got to get bigger.

00:05:33.000 You're dominant.

00:05:34.000 Look at these guys.

00:05:35.000 You fight.

00:05:35.000 They say you're going to lose.

00:05:36.000 You go out there and you dominate and you're small.

00:05:38.000 So imagine if you put the size on and you got the power.

00:05:40.000 You can dominate these guys for real.

00:05:42.000 So he flew out.

00:05:43.000 I fly out for a week.

00:05:44.000 You put me on the right diet and how y'all lift it in NFL camps and whatnot and we get stronger.

00:05:49.000 So she literally had me on compound lifts every day eating. 0.98

00:05:53.000 Like I said, I got the freezer full of deer meat.

00:05:54.000 He's like, you got all the stuff you need.

00:05:55.000 You got protein right here.

00:05:57.000 Have Jenny go grab, my wife go grab rice and potatoes, and you just eat meat, potatoes, rice. 0.96

00:06:02.000 You eat eggs, put meat, potatoes, and rice.

00:06:03.000 Everything you eat, put meat, potatoes, and rice in everything.

00:06:06.000 And you're going to get that salad.

00:06:08.000 I promise you.

00:06:08.000 And the strength and everything will come.

00:06:10.000 And sure enough, I just saw it.

00:06:12.000 I went from like, this was after the Jimmy fight, he showed up.

00:06:15.000 And it worked out as well.

00:06:16.000 I met my supplement sponsor, but we went out to the buffet.

00:06:20.000 Like, alright, we had a good workout.

00:06:21.000 We're going to eat the buffet.

00:06:22.000 Eat as much as we carve up.

00:06:23.000 And actually, while I was there, Apollo Nutrition, the owner of my supplement company, he was like, you're Corey Anderson, right?

00:06:28.000 Like, I'm a huge fan.

00:06:29.000 I would love to work with you.

00:06:30.000 My brother said, that's made it happen.

00:06:31.000 Protein right there.

00:06:32.000 Get a bottle of protein from him.

00:06:34.000 We're going to start mixing this in with your meat, potatoes, or rice.

00:06:36.000 Protein shake instantly.

00:06:38.000 And he's putting me on a whole plan.

00:06:39.000 And when he left, he left me a whole little list on the refrigerator.

00:06:42.000 And I still got it there.

00:06:43.000 I don't need it anymore, but that's the thing.

00:06:46.000 You eat your meat, potatoes, and rice.

00:06:47.000 Four or five eggs in the morning.

00:06:49.000 Just got a cup of rice.

00:06:50.000 Put some venison or hog, whatever meat I'm eating that day.

00:06:53.000 And then put some vegetables and a little bit of potatoes or something.

00:06:56.000 Get a big old meal.

00:06:57.000 Carb it up.

00:06:58.000 Then go hit the gym.

00:06:59.000 Then when you're done, kill your protein shake.

00:07:01.000 Come on.

00:07:01.000 Meat, potatoes, rice.

00:07:02.000 How much difference is your diet doing this than it was before?

00:07:05.000 I mean, it's crazy.

00:07:06.000 You ask my teammates now, and they say, we've seen the difference of how big you got.

00:07:09.000 Even Mark Henry, I was in the midst the other day for the first time with him in probably a couple weeks or whatever in his basement.

00:07:15.000 And I was still moving fast, and I was like, bro, you got huge.

00:07:19.000 I was like, I just started lifting the E, coach.

00:07:21.000 So I used to work with him.

00:07:23.000 So you're probably holding yourself back before.

00:07:25.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:07:26.000 And then you're probably draining yourself too much by all that weight cutting and all that getting it down before the actual fight itself, all the extra running and everything.

00:07:35.000 Like, even on the show, like, we were finished eating, and this is when I found out you can cut weight in the hot tub.

00:07:38.000 I didn't know this.

00:07:39.000 Because I fall heavyweight before the Ultimate Fighter.

00:07:42.000 The guy's like, oh, you can lose weight in the hot tub.

00:07:43.000 I was like, what?

00:07:44.000 And everybody was sitting in the hot tub for, like, 40, 50 minutes, and I get out.

00:07:46.000 I lost all my weight.

00:07:47.000 I'm at 206. I'm like, oh, this is great.

00:07:49.000 So we eat a bunch.

00:07:50.000 Like, even one day, Frankie and the coaches brought In-N-Out burgers over.

00:07:54.000 We ate and watched the fights, and I sat in this hot tub for like 40 minutes and got all the weight off down to 210. Like, I don't know where I'm going to be.

00:08:00.000 They're like, bro, you can get up.

00:08:01.000 So I'm like, nah, because we fight.

00:08:02.000 We never know when we're going to fight.

00:08:04.000 He wins tomorrow on Tuesday.

00:08:05.000 I might be fighting Thursday.

00:08:06.000 I don't want to have to worry about that.

00:08:08.000 I was always scared of the weight cut.

00:08:09.000 But if you're getting in the sauna or getting in the hot tub and losing all that weight, that's just water weight though, right?

00:08:15.000 Even if you're down where you want to be, you're still going to have to cut more water to get to where you need to be, to 205. Yeah, but you asked my wife, I have the worst, not now, but before I didn't know anything about nutrition.

00:08:27.000 Because I wrestled heavyweight from freshman year in high school to my senior year in college.

00:08:30.000 And I fought heavyweight until the Ultimate Fighter.

00:08:32.000 So I never had to worry about the diet.

00:08:34.000 You know, I used to eat ramen noodles.

00:08:36.000 I remember moving in my first time fighting.

00:08:38.000 Ben Astro took me up to Rufus Sport, and I moved in the fighter house, and everybody eating like chicken fillets and salmon.

00:08:43.000 I came in with a big old box of ramen and a thing of chunky noodle soup.

00:08:47.000 I was like, what are you doing?

00:08:47.000 Like, this is how I eat?

00:08:48.000 Like, bro, that's not going to work.

00:08:50.000 What do you mean?

00:08:51.000 Like, I train every day and I eat this same stuff.

00:08:53.000 Eat a bowl of cereal for breakfast and they all cooking.

00:08:55.000 Like, yo, that's not healthy.

00:08:57.000 Like, it works for me.

00:08:58.000 But then when it came time to go to 205 the first time, it's like, ah, this isn't working for me.

00:09:03.000 I have to figure something out.

00:09:05.000 What did you feel the difference between, like, eating nonsense, like ramen, and then eating healthy food?

00:09:11.000 Like, what was the big shift?

00:09:12.000 You just have more energy, really.

00:09:14.000 Right.

00:09:14.000 Because in wrestling, that's how we ate.

00:09:16.000 Definitely in college, you ain't got no money.

00:09:17.000 We go to Walmart on Saturday, Sunday, get a big old box of ramen.

00:09:22.000 I used to get spaghetti sauce and just cook the noodles and put spaghetti sauce on it.

00:09:26.000 Can of soup right out the can.

00:09:28.000 You're eating stuff like that, but you're training all day, so it doesn't really get the stick in your body.

00:09:32.000 You don't really feel the difference in energy because you never really ate clean.

00:09:36.000 You're eating cafeteria food that's packed with grease.

00:09:38.000 Right.

00:09:38.000 But now it's like we got meal prep companies and stuff out there, and you try all that different stuff.

00:09:43.000 And then my wife fights too, so she fought like 120, so she was always dieting. 0.99

00:09:46.000 So when she's cutting weight, I would eat clean, and I would notice a difference in my energy.

00:09:50.000 Like, I wake up a lot earlier, and I can go longer that day.

00:09:53.000 At the end of the night, I'm not crashing.

00:09:54.000 I peacefully put myself in bed, watch TV, and fall asleep. 1.00

00:09:58.000 But when you got all that sugar and all that stuff in, you feel like crap. 0.99

00:10:01.000 At the end of the day, you're just fighting. 0.97

00:10:03.000 You don't have control anymore.

00:10:05.000 Well, you also have the advantage of the best protein.

00:10:07.000 The fact that you have...

00:10:08.000 How many deer did you say you shot last year?

00:10:11.000 That's a lot of protein.

00:10:12.000 That's a lot of protein.

00:10:13.000 A lot of clean, wild protein.

00:10:15.000 And I got half that meat still in Texas.

00:10:18.000 I never got...

00:10:18.000 Actually, Justin Gaethje got it, and I heard they...

00:10:21.000 We went hunting together one time, me, Gaethje, and his coach, Luke Calilio, whatever.

00:10:25.000 And we put the meat...

00:10:26.000 I don't know how to say his last name, but they put the meat in the same place, and we said, some of this goes to Corey, and the other part goes to Justin.

00:10:32.000 But they sent all of it down to Justin and his camp.

00:10:35.000 Besides, I had a freezer full anyway.

00:10:36.000 I had no space.

00:10:37.000 Yeah, he's another one.

00:10:38.000 Ray Borg, he's another.

00:10:40.000 He bow hunts.

00:10:40.000 Chad Mendez bow hunts.

00:10:42.000 T.J. Dillashaw bow hunts.

00:10:44.000 We could probably keep going down the line.

00:10:46.000 There's a lot of pro fighters who bow hunt.

00:10:49.000 Well, let's put it out there before we get too far.

00:10:51.000 Justin hunts, but he can't bow hunt.

00:10:53.000 He can't?

00:10:53.000 We had him with a crossbow on a ranch.

00:10:56.000 And we pushed.

00:10:57.000 Like, everybody had got him, and he kept missing.

00:10:59.000 We put him in a corner.

00:11:00.000 Like, all right, we're going to all, like, drive him to you.

00:11:02.000 So all I got to do is be ready, bro. 0.99

00:11:03.000 Just shoot.

00:11:06.000 Somehow, all these big old deer come in.

00:11:08.000 He still missed.

00:11:09.000 Like, it was probably 10 yards, 10 to 15 yards.

00:11:12.000 He missed.

00:11:12.000 With a crossbow?

00:11:13.000 With a crossbow. 0.59

00:11:13.000 Like, bro, how the hell did you miss? 0.59

00:11:16.000 Like, you can't shoot.

00:11:17.000 Then they went to another ranch and the guy gave him a gun.

00:11:19.000 Like, you want to do a gun instead?

00:11:20.000 He killed it with a gun.

00:11:22.000 His vision is not the best, right?

00:11:24.000 No.

00:11:25.000 Something is wrong with his vision and his energy.

00:11:28.000 You know, he's kind of...

00:11:29.000 I mean, he's a great guy.

00:11:30.000 His energy?

00:11:31.000 Not like bad energy, kind of like focus.

00:11:33.000 That's what I mean.

00:11:34.000 Oh, focus, yeah.

00:11:36.000 Like we're in the trees or in this loft and he's like shadow box.

00:11:41.000 I'm like, bro, you got a chance.

00:11:43.000 Calm down.

00:11:44.000 We're hunting.

00:11:45.000 Some people can't hang out in the stand.

00:11:48.000 They can't.

00:11:48.000 Stand is hard for them.

00:11:49.000 It's harder for them than just spotting stock, just walking the mountains for all day.

00:11:54.000 It's easier for them than to just stay put and do nothing.

00:11:57.000 Yeah.

00:11:58.000 It's just sitting there quiet, you know?

00:12:00.000 Yeah.

00:12:00.000 I went with a buddy.

00:12:01.000 We went turkey hunting.

00:12:02.000 This was my first week turkey hunting this year.

00:12:04.000 And he's never hunted before.

00:12:05.000 He's actually my archery partner.

00:12:06.000 I taught him how to shoot bow like 15 weeks ago.

00:12:09.000 He's actually got pretty good.

00:12:10.000 He was hitting like all bullseyes in the league.

00:12:12.000 He's like, I want to go hunting with you.

00:12:13.000 So he sat in the blind.

00:12:14.000 I told him he was going out there like, bro, when we get out here, you can't move.

00:12:18.000 We're in the blind, but that one window, the turkeys can see us. 1.00

00:12:21.000 If you're moving, they're going to see you.

00:12:22.000 And they got good hearing, too, so you got to chill out.

00:12:24.000 So I'm like, I'm going to put the decoys up.

00:12:26.000 Just sit down.

00:12:27.000 I turn around.

00:12:27.000 He's like, what are you doing?

00:12:29.000 I'm covering the blind.

00:12:30.000 He's got like little bitty twigs.

00:12:33.000 Like, bro, we don't have time to blind.

00:12:34.000 He's like, I see it on YouTube.

00:12:35.000 Like, get in the blind.

00:12:36.000 I see it on YouTube.

00:12:38.000 I was like, bro, get in the blind.

00:12:39.000 This'll work.

00:12:40.000 This'll work.

00:12:40.000 I'm like, we're not killing anything.

00:12:42.000 He ended up talking like, call, call.

00:12:44.000 Use a call.

00:12:45.000 Like, bro, I already called.

00:12:48.000 I was like, do it again.

00:12:48.000 Do it again.

00:12:49.000 They get bored.

00:12:50.000 Yeah, I was like, exactly.

00:12:51.000 He just, attention spans.

00:12:52.000 Some people don't, they can't sit there.

00:12:54.000 I can sit there for a whole day from sunup to sundown.

00:12:57.000 I'm fine with that.

00:12:58.000 I'm fine.

00:12:59.000 Peace is listen to the birds and watch the animals.

00:13:01.000 I have my phone, check my phone every once in a while, but some people, they...

00:13:05.000 They don't have that piece.

00:13:06.000 They need to be talking or doing things.

00:13:08.000 That's real ADD, right?

00:13:09.000 Yeah.

00:13:10.000 It's a weird mental exercise.

00:13:13.000 Just sit there and do nothing and just wait for an animal to come to you. 1.00

00:13:16.000 And it seems like it would be easy, but after a while, it starts fucking with your head. 1.00

00:13:21.000 It's a mental exercise. 0.99

00:13:24.000 The thing that's crazy, I can do that in tree stand? 1.00

00:13:26.000 But in college, I couldn't focus shit. 0.99

00:13:28.000 In school? 0.99

00:13:29.000 Yeah.

00:13:29.000 Even now, if I go to a meeting or something, and people are talking, I start dozing off.

00:13:34.000 I can't sit there.

00:13:35.000 But in that tree stand, I can sit wide awake for hours.

00:13:38.000 Also, in that tree stand, though, you're waiting for something.

00:13:40.000 It's very specific. 0.99

00:13:41.000 If you're doing something you don't want to do, a guy like you who burns off so much energy in the day, your body's probably like, this is boring as fuck. 0.99

00:13:48.000 Let's just nod out. 0.99

00:13:49.000 Yeah.

00:13:49.000 Let's just...

00:13:51.000 You've been training six hours a day, you know?

00:13:53.000 It's the same way at home.

00:13:54.000 I mean, my wife said, you never stop moving.

00:13:56.000 Just hang out, you know?

00:13:57.000 Like DeWill was saying, I'll be baby.

00:13:59.000 I have my baby and I'm doing something with the camera.

00:14:02.000 Editing my YouTube channel.

00:14:03.000 So I can't just sit down because I'll fall asleep.

00:14:05.000 I have to do something.

00:14:06.000 But like when it's time, just relax.

00:14:08.000 Like it's Sunday.

00:14:08.000 We're just going to sit here and watch TV. Sit down.

00:14:11.000 Five minutes in, I'm out.

00:14:12.000 So what did you think about the movie?

00:14:13.000 Like, huh?

00:14:15.000 My bad, babe.

00:14:16.000 I fell asleep.

00:14:17.000 Yeah, well, if you're a guy who trains as much as you, I mean, every chance your body gets to actually rest, your body's probably like, right about now, it's a good time.

00:14:26.000 It doesn't take much.

00:14:27.000 We get in the car, before we out of the driveway, she's driving, where am I going?

00:14:32.000 Cool, huh?

00:14:33.000 Oh, we need a little drama yet, my bad, man.

00:14:36.000 Well, a guy who works as hard as you do, because one of the things that you're known for, man, is your cardio. 0.99

00:14:41.000 You have crazy fucking cardio. 0.90

00:14:43.000 And you notice it in fights where around the second and the third round, I start seeing your opponent start to slow down a little bit. 0.99

00:14:49.000 And then you ramp it like Aaliyah Latifi.

00:14:52.000 It's a perfect example.

00:14:53.000 That was a great fight for you, because that guy's a tank. 1.00

00:14:55.000 He's a tank, very scary dude, hits really fucking hard, strong as shit. 0.99

00:15:01.000 But he's a guy that relies on that explosive power. 1.00

00:15:05.000 He's like a sprinter in a lot of ways.

00:15:06.000 And you can only do that for so long.

00:15:08.000 And you could say, like, somewhere around the second round, it was real obvious that you weren't slowing down at all.

00:15:15.000 And he was taking some big, deep breaths, and it's harder for him.

00:15:18.000 Have you always had that kind of cardio?

00:15:20.000 I mean, I got it in wrestling.

00:15:22.000 Like I said, I was big, you know?

00:15:23.000 Especially when I got to 300 pounds and I was still working cardio, trying to get down as a heavyweight to wrestle and be...

00:15:29.000 I always studied little guys' films, you know? 0.54

00:15:32.000 Like the Henry Cejudo films and shit like that. 0.88

00:15:34.000 When I was in college, that's just what I watched. 0.95

00:15:36.000 My coach was like, watch heavyweights.

00:15:37.000 And I'm like, nah.

00:15:38.000 I want to move.

00:15:38.000 I want footwork.

00:15:39.000 I want to fake. 0.97

00:15:40.000 I want to take shots.

00:15:41.000 Like, I led my team in takedowns as a heavyweight because I moved around as a big guy.

00:15:45.000 And it's the same thing.

00:15:46.000 I've had one match.

00:15:47.000 The guy was beating me, what, 15-1.

00:15:50.000 If you need one more point, check me.

00:15:52.000 Going to the third point.

00:15:53.000 In the third round.

00:15:54.000 But he gassed.

00:15:54.000 And I was still going.

00:15:55.000 I came back and beat him in overtime.

00:15:57.000 Wow.

00:15:57.000 It's because I can just keep going.

00:15:59.000 That was the mindset.

00:16:00.000 Guys are going to break eventually.

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:02.000 My coach always said, act fresh.

00:16:03.000 Even if you're tired as dogs, stand up and act fresh.

00:16:06.000 Like, no matter what, look fresh.

00:16:08.000 And you'll be surprised how your mind take over and you'll realize later on you're not really tired.

00:16:12.000 And when you're tired, keep pushing.

00:16:14.000 Because the next time you usually get tired around that three-minute mark, it'll make it to about the seven, eight-minute.

00:16:19.000 Then it's like 15. You start doing those grind matches and you go 30 minutes live.

00:16:22.000 And when it's done, I'm able to walk, shake coach's hand, and go grab another partner or go get on a treadmill.

00:16:27.000 It's because we always push as a big guy.

00:16:29.000 So you've got to imagine, when I came down to 205, It was like, it was crazy.

00:16:34.000 Like, this is like magic.

00:16:36.000 I can do this all day, coach.

00:16:38.000 Five rounds.

00:16:38.000 That first, my five-round fight with Jimmy.

00:16:41.000 When they called me, like, oh, it's the main event now.

00:16:42.000 You gotta train six rounds.

00:16:43.000 Like, okay.

00:16:45.000 Like, we was in the middle of the cage.

00:16:46.000 We did three rounds.

00:16:46.000 Mark's like, you know you're doing six today.

00:16:48.000 That's fine.

00:16:49.000 Gave me three new partners.

00:16:50.000 Went, and they was tired, and I was still good.

00:16:52.000 Like, dude, your cardio is crazy.

00:16:54.000 It's just a mental.

00:16:54.000 Even when I'm tired, I'll never show it.

00:16:56.000 It's like, I just gotta act fresh and get through it.

00:16:58.000 It can only last so long.

00:16:59.000 My father told me that forever.

00:17:00.000 It is a weird thing, isn't it?

00:17:02.000 That your mind can give you more energy.

00:17:04.000 Like, you know that feeling that sometimes you're on a treadmill or something like that, and you're running, and a great song comes on.

00:17:09.000 And all of a sudden, you're like, woo!

00:17:12.000 You feel it.

00:17:14.000 Where's that coming from?

00:17:16.000 It's coming from your mind.

00:17:17.000 Your mind, that one beat, that up-tempo beat, and your heart starts pumping, and you start dancing while you're running.

00:17:22.000 Three to five minutes, however long that song gets, you're on a sprint.

00:17:26.000 Then once that song ends, you're like, ah.

00:17:28.000 Then you really feel it.

00:17:29.000 The tone changes. 0.99

00:17:30.000 You're like, oh, shit, I'm tired again. 1.00

00:17:31.000 It's crazy, isn't it? 1.00

00:17:32.000 There's a switch in your mind that you have to figure out where it is.

00:17:37.000 You've got to go find it, and a song can find it for you.

00:17:41.000 But for you just to be able to pull it out, especially in a fight or something like that, when you're battling doubt and this and that, and you're wondering how he's doing.

00:17:50.000 Is he tired?

00:17:53.000 Who's tireder, me or him?

00:17:55.000 There's that switch in your mind that if you could just access that all the time and keep it on.

00:18:01.000 One of the guys I looked up to when I was in college, you know, he was past Steve Prefontaine.

00:18:06.000 I just watch that story all the time, his quotes.

00:18:08.000 To do anything less than your best is a waste of a gift, you know?

00:18:13.000 He ran.

00:18:13.000 He didn't.

00:18:14.000 It's cross-country, but guys trot.

00:18:15.000 They pacing.

00:18:16.000 And every day he said, I'm running like I'm sprinting.

00:18:19.000 I watched all his movies, the movies on him, how his mindset, even that one race when he was full out sprint, and he said, his heart's going to give, and he gave out right before the finish line.

00:18:27.000 I'm like, I'd rather go out that way than pacing the whole time and then try to sprint in and fail because I wasn't ready.

00:18:34.000 So that's like in my fight, I started off so fast.

00:18:37.000 That's just, I'm going all out.

00:18:39.000 There's no fill out period.

00:18:40.000 We're going to touch gloves and I'm ready to move.

00:18:42.000 And I already know if I'm getting tired, I know this guy's getting tired.

00:18:46.000 He's not training like I'm training.

00:18:47.000 And if he is training like I'm training, he might not be tired.

00:18:50.000 But in my mind, I'm thinking he's getting tired.

00:18:51.000 So just keep pushing because eventually he's going to break before me.

00:18:55.000 Now, do you have a system in terms of your strength and conditioning program?

00:19:00.000 Do you have a schedule that you follow very specifically for however many weeks you have before your fight?

00:19:07.000 When I get into fight camp, everything gets really specific.

00:19:10.000 Like I said on Ariel, so I'm calculating.

00:19:14.000 When it's camp time, don't mess my order up.

00:19:17.000 I'll be early, I have my bags packed the night before, I have three, four training bags packed right at the little exit way.

00:19:24.000 So when I come home, if I'm running short in time, running late, Grab something to eat, grab the next bag.

00:19:28.000 I'm out the door.

00:19:28.000 And I know where I gotta go.

00:19:29.000 I hate when people have to cancel.

00:19:30.000 Like, oh, I can't make it today.

00:19:32.000 Or something came up.

00:19:33.000 Or I show up and my partner don't show up.

00:19:34.000 You're not on time.

00:19:35.000 Like, I'm on the guys.

00:19:36.000 Like, I'm kind of like the leader of the big guys.

00:19:38.000 Like, we're gonna be here early this week so we can start at 1030 because I want to do drills after.

00:19:42.000 We're gonna do this.

00:19:42.000 You need to work on that.

00:19:43.000 I'm very punctual.

00:19:45.000 Like, I hate...

00:19:45.000 You know, it's camp time.

00:19:47.000 If you're showing up late, I hate it.

00:19:48.000 It kind of...

00:19:48.000 It runs me ragged.

00:19:50.000 And I just...

00:19:51.000 When we spar, I kind of take it out on people.

00:19:53.000 I just...

00:19:53.000 I'm very calculated when it comes to camp because...

00:19:56.000 This is my career.

00:19:57.000 You know, I'm serious about this.

00:19:59.000 I'm not showing up late.

00:20:00.000 Like, I go to boxing gyms with guys.

00:20:01.000 Oh, we're sparring at 6 o'clock.

00:20:03.000 So I show up at 545. At 645, they still not there.

00:20:06.000 When you walk in, like, nothing's wrong talking and dancing.

00:20:09.000 Like, yo, you said 6 o'clock, right?

00:20:11.000 Like, you're a professional, ain't you?

00:20:12.000 Well, quit acting like an amateur.

00:20:13.000 Get here on time.

00:20:14.000 Let's go.

00:20:14.000 This is your camp.

00:20:15.000 I'm here to help you.

00:20:16.000 Even that makes me mad.

00:20:17.000 But when it's my camp and you show up...

00:20:19.000 It's not fun because I know I'm not going to get tired, so I'm just going to beat on you.

00:20:22.000 Who writes out your schedule?

00:20:24.000 Do you write it out or do you just know what it is?

00:20:26.000 I do it myself.

00:20:26.000 Do you have it in your head?

00:20:27.000 I write it out.

00:20:27.000 You write it out?

00:20:28.000 Well, I get like a notepad and I put how many weeks and I put it out.

00:20:32.000 And I try to early into it, like when I first start, I give like an idea of what I want to do.

00:20:37.000 So Tuesday, Thursday, strength and conditioning.

00:20:39.000 Or Monday, Friday, strength and conditioning.

00:20:40.000 Before jiu-jitsu with Ricardo.

00:20:42.000 And then Tuesday, Thursday, I'm going to do one-on-ones with Ricardo.

00:20:44.000 And Wednesday, I'm going to do my one-on-one with Nick Katone.

00:20:46.000 And then...

00:20:47.000 Excuse me, Tuesday night or Monday night, I'm going to do mitts for marking.

00:20:50.000 Saturday after sparring, I do another mitt.

00:20:52.000 Try to do two of everything, and I go up to Rutgers and Wrestle, because in Jersey, everything is such a commute, so you have to time everything perfect, because if practice goes 15 minutes past or whatever, or somebody's late, that's messing me up, because I've got to drive an hour to 45 minutes to get to the next place.

00:21:07.000 And I'm running late for that practice.

00:21:08.000 Or if it's three practices in a row, and I get there just a little bit, right on time, I don't have time to get ready to do my full warm-up to make sure my body's warm.

00:21:16.000 Then get to the next spot and do the same thing.

00:21:18.000 Now I'm rushing.

00:21:18.000 Now it's non-stop.

00:21:19.000 Now I gotta get home and grab something to eat quick.

00:21:21.000 Or I gotta keep my food with me and it's getting cold and this is...

00:21:25.000 I'm very punctual and specific when it comes to stuff like that.

00:21:29.000 Do you meal prep?

00:21:30.000 Do you have like little Tupperware containers with your food?

00:21:34.000 So you just grab one and...

00:21:35.000 I used to use...

00:21:36.000 Well, not use.

00:21:36.000 I still use Eat Clean Bro when you get into camp.

00:21:39.000 I used to use them all the time.

00:21:40.000 But now, like I said, I got a wife.

00:21:41.000 Eat clean, bro.

00:21:42.000 Eat clean, bro.

00:21:43.000 It's Jamie.

00:21:43.000 I can't remember his last name, but Jamie in New Jersey.

00:21:46.000 That's a good name.

00:21:46.000 He's killing it, man.

00:21:47.000 He's DJ Khaled, Carmelo Anthony, a lot of all the famous people use him.

00:21:53.000 He just opened up another one in Atlanta.

00:21:54.000 He's killing the game with the meal prep, and it's good.

00:21:58.000 It's accurate.

00:21:59.000 It wasn't as accurate before, but he teamed up with his company Revolutionize, which is a nutrition company.

00:22:03.000 They do the calculation of all the meals for fighters and different people, bodybuilders.

00:22:07.000 And it's perfect.

00:22:08.000 So it has all your nutrients, all your protein.

00:22:11.000 It has it set up like this is 40 grams of protein.

00:22:14.000 And then you can also go in there and just order the raw stuff.

00:22:17.000 And they deliver it to your door.

00:22:19.000 And then you just cook it.

00:22:20.000 Yeah, you can get it raw.

00:22:21.000 And they put it in a freezer bag.

00:22:22.000 You get it.

00:22:23.000 I know people that do it that way.

00:22:25.000 Like I said, now I have my wife who fights or used to fighting. 1.00

00:22:29.000 She knows what's going on.

00:22:30.000 Most of the time she does that for me. 0.51

00:22:32.000 If you bring them venison, will they cook that and put that in you?

00:22:35.000 I'm sure he would.

00:22:35.000 I know he told me if I get a turkey, he would cook it up for me.

00:22:37.000 So I'm sure he'd give me some venison, or cook me venison if I took it to him.

00:22:41.000 Now, when you say you have everything set up, are you monitoring your heart rate?

00:22:46.000 Like, what are you doing to make sure that you're not overtrained or that you're not sick?

00:22:51.000 That's one thing I'm still...

00:22:53.000 I'm not really dancing with it.

00:22:54.000 I'm fine with it because growing up, my coach used to tell me all the time.

00:22:57.000 No such thing.

00:22:58.000 Overtraining is a mental state.

00:23:00.000 You know, as long as you train, eat, rest.

00:23:03.000 You give your body time to rest and recover.

00:23:05.000 Get to bed by a certain time so you get at least seven to eight hours of sleep.

00:23:08.000 It's kind of hard to overtrain, but those days when you feel you're hurting, like shoulders, like my injuries, it's okay to dial back.

00:23:14.000 When you go to the gym, you don't have to hit it hard.

00:23:15.000 Just go through the motions.

00:23:17.000 Sometimes it's like, oh, don't be here to go through the motions, but sometimes it ain't bad to go through the motions as long as you focus on one thing to master this takedown, master this sweep, master that jiu-jitsu submission or a sweep or whatever it is.

00:23:28.000 Focus on it and going nice and slow.

00:23:31.000 Calculate.

00:23:31.000 You don't have to get a sweat every time because you learn muscle memory.

00:23:34.000 Do it a thousand times, and now it's kind of like it's in there.

00:23:37.000 I got it.

00:23:38.000 But with the overtraining and heart monitoring, I only heart monitor for the last five to six weeks because that's when I hit cardio hard.

00:23:46.000 Not so much strength anymore, but pushing the pace.

00:23:49.000 Everything I'm doing, blowing it out, trying to keep my heart rate above a certain thing.

00:23:52.000 So if the last day before I go into that pace, I put the heart rate monitor on and see wherever I got to.

00:23:58.000 I don't take much of a break between my stations, see where my heart rate got.

00:24:03.000 So if the high was 172 today or whatever.

00:24:05.000 Alright, so that's the high on a slow day.

00:24:07.000 And it's hard for me to get my heart rate up.

00:24:09.000 So it's like when we're doing cardio, I'm shooting for like 180s after everything.

00:24:12.000 I need to be above that.

00:24:13.000 So I take time for that to come down.

00:24:15.000 So in between that 30 to a minute break, if I'm still right there at 180, 170, so I'm going to hit the next one, I know my heart is still racing.

00:24:22.000 So I'm stretching my lungs out and take a little short break.

00:24:25.000 And I never do a full minute break, even in sparring.

00:24:27.000 So in fighting, that's why in that minute you see me talking to Mark Henry and everything, Is everybody, oh, of course, having a conversation.

00:24:33.000 In between the round, Mark calls.

00:24:35.000 I'm like, yep, yep, okay.

00:24:36.000 I'm going to jujitsu.

00:24:37.000 Mark says, I'm trying.

00:24:37.000 I hear you.

00:24:38.000 Because that's how we train and practice.

00:24:41.000 On a short clock.

00:24:42.000 Longer time work, shorter time recover.

00:24:45.000 And I'm tired and practice at the beginning.

00:24:48.000 But at the end, it's kind of like going into the fight that last week.

00:24:51.000 We talking.

00:24:51.000 We smiling.

00:24:52.000 We chilling.

00:24:53.000 Good round.

00:24:53.000 This is this.

00:24:54.000 You got to do this.

00:24:54.000 All right.

00:24:54.000 Well, we got to do better this time.

00:24:56.000 Did I have the sweep right?

00:24:57.000 Did I submit?

00:24:57.000 What was wrong with my hands?

00:24:58.000 And the next one, all right.

00:24:59.000 Work on this again.

00:25:00.000 And to be able to communicate and not be tired...

00:25:03.000 It makes a world of difference.

00:25:04.000 Do you give yourself 30 seconds in training?

00:25:06.000 It depends.

00:25:07.000 It depends on who we fighting.

00:25:09.000 It depends on my mentality.

00:25:11.000 You know, if I feel like today's going to be a hard day, if we ain't got the clock, sometimes I have it on my phone.

00:25:16.000 If the coaches aren't there, and my wife's doing it, and I stand up, and I feel like I'm recovering in like 20 minutes or 20 seconds, start, go.

00:25:23.000 I just got to keep rotating my partner, because I know they can't recover all the time.

00:25:26.000 But it's just like, I'm a little different.

00:25:29.000 You know, it's like I was thinking outside the box.

00:25:31.000 I'm I'm trying to do what the other people aren't.

00:25:34.000 You know, everybody going off like the Dolce diet or the Keto diet or such and such training or Westside Barbell or this and that.

00:25:40.000 It's kind of like I take the different stuff I learned from this guy and I saw from this guy and I learned in wrestling.

00:25:44.000 I seen on YouTube and I heard somebody say this.

00:25:47.000 Like, I wonder if I can just take away and take a little bit of this.

00:25:49.000 Put it with the West Side Barbell, put it with the Keto Diet, along with my own Venison Diet, and this, this, and this, and just try it out.

00:25:56.000 And if it works, it works.

00:25:57.000 And if I don't feel good, if I feel low energy, it's like, all right, that doesn't work.

00:26:00.000 We're going to try something different.

00:26:01.000 It seems like a lot of people would want to listen to you, though.

00:26:04.000 I would imagine if I was in camp with a guy like you, and I saw the kind of cardio that you have for a big guy and the amount of effort that you put in, I would imagine there's other dudes that are following you now.

00:26:14.000 My teammates, yeah, they know.

00:26:17.000 One of the guys, like a brother to me, is Carl Robeson.

00:26:20.000 He's a beast, dude.

00:26:21.000 He stepped up on the Glover fight.

00:26:23.000 That's something we talked about when he was an amateur.

00:26:24.000 I've been working with him since he was an amateur.

00:26:26.000 And I told his coach Dean, like, this kid is good.

00:26:28.000 He gets the right stuff.

00:26:29.000 He go pro.

00:26:30.000 He'll be in the UFC in no time.

00:26:31.000 I'm telling you.

00:26:32.000 I watched him.

00:26:33.000 Me, him, and Chris Wyman.

00:26:34.000 He came in with us when I was helping Wyman with the Rock Hole fight.

00:26:37.000 I'm not sure if he was an amateur or pro yet, but his jiu-jitsu in the wrestling, he didn't have that.

00:26:42.000 But striking-wise, he was giving us problems.

00:26:44.000 It was like, this kid is good.

00:26:46.000 I was like, oh, he's a glory kickbox.

00:26:47.000 I was like, ah, that makes sense.

00:26:49.000 He kicks hard.

00:26:51.000 I haven't seen him put many people to sleep with his head kick in practice.

00:26:54.000 Like, yo, pull it.

00:26:55.000 He's like, bro, that wasn't even hard.

00:26:56.000 Like, what you mean that wasn't hard?

00:26:58.000 He's like, I just flicked it up there.

00:26:59.000 But he's just so explosive and athletic.

00:27:01.000 He hit me with a knee last Saturday and my chest still hurt. 1.00

00:27:05.000 I got shot and he caught me coming in on his shot and I was like, oh shit. 1.00

00:27:09.000 But I was in deep, but he's just so quick. 1.00

00:27:12.000 But he's one.

00:27:14.000 He hits me up all the time when I come to camp.

00:27:16.000 I'm like, oh, he had to die down because of Bo and Clint out of the PI. He had that, but it come to work and stuff.

00:27:22.000 Should we keep doing this?

00:27:23.000 Should we do this?

00:27:23.000 I'm going to run today.

00:27:24.000 So when I want to work on my jiu-jitsu, why should I do this?

00:27:27.000 Should I just drill or should we go hard?

00:27:28.000 So he trains sometimes at the Performance Institute in Vegas?

00:27:31.000 Well, every time we get to camp, me and him, we got to think.

00:27:33.000 If one of us get in camp, we already know.

00:27:35.000 I'm going to contact him.

00:27:36.000 You got to fight when we're going to Vegas.

00:27:38.000 So we go out there for a week or two weeks.

00:27:40.000 Me, him, and Rex Harris.

00:27:41.000 He was in the PFL. We call each other the Bass Bros.

00:27:44.000 Only three dudes at USC in Jersey.

00:27:46.000 We done traveled around.

00:27:47.000 We've been to Vegas.

00:27:48.000 We've been to Arizona, wherever we go.

00:27:50.000 And we go hard.

00:27:51.000 And that's why we call it Bass Bros.

00:27:53.000 There's no, oh, we're going light today, bro.

00:27:54.000 Don't hit me hard.

00:27:55.000 Every time.

00:27:56.000 It's like, are you ready?

00:27:58.000 Rex actually texted me.

00:27:59.000 We're doing Tecmo.

00:28:00.000 He was like, yeah, I'll be there tomorrow because I'm flying here and I get back in time for training.

00:28:04.000 So Bass Bros meet up and we go at it.

00:28:06.000 That's it.

00:28:07.000 Are you always sparring hard or do you spar technically?

00:28:10.000 We got certain days.

00:28:11.000 Like, if we don't want to spar hard, we know not to go with each other.

00:28:14.000 Because it's kind of like...

00:28:15.000 If one week I get the best of Rex, like there's been times like I've had Carl with OSP because he's southpaw and he's super good.

00:28:22.000 So I went with Carl three rounds hard.

00:28:24.000 So his main focus was take down, don't let him up.

00:28:26.000 So I take him down and just beat him on the ground, beat him on the ground, take him down, beat him on the ground because he didn't have wrestling at the time.

00:28:31.000 And then he would go with like somebody else like, ah, I need one more round.

00:28:34.000 And he'd be mad.

00:28:36.000 I know that.

00:28:37.000 But that's why I'm not going with him on the fourth round because he's mad.

00:28:39.000 And he'd go out there with somebody else and you just eat him up.

00:28:43.000 I'm sorry.

00:28:43.000 I have to apologize to the other guy.

00:28:45.000 Like, I'm sorry for beating him up.

00:28:46.000 Because of the hostility.

00:28:47.000 So we go hard.

00:28:48.000 But there's times we pull other guys in.

00:28:50.000 Like, I'm going to call this amateur guy in.

00:28:51.000 Pretty good amateur.

00:28:52.000 Or a low-level pro.

00:28:54.000 Some guys like Eddie Alvarez knows.

00:28:56.000 Whatever.

00:28:56.000 I got this kid.

00:28:56.000 He's pro.

00:28:58.000 205. He's the beginner.

00:28:59.000 Whatever.

00:28:59.000 You want to work with him?

00:29:00.000 That's the guy.

00:29:01.000 Alright.

00:29:01.000 Bring him up.

00:29:01.000 Today I'm going to do a technical move day.

00:29:03.000 Kind of like wall work.

00:29:04.000 Drilling.

00:29:05.000 We sparring.

00:29:06.000 We have head gear on just in case.

00:29:07.000 Because accidents happen.

00:29:08.000 But nothing is thrown with the intention of hurting anybody.

00:29:11.000 Well, you have a fantastic camp, too, man.

00:29:13.000 It's one of the most unheralded camps, if you want to talk about who's training out there.

00:29:17.000 Zabit, you guys have Marlon, you know, of course, Frankie Edgar.

00:29:22.000 I mean, so many guys come from that area.

00:29:25.000 Eddie Alvarez, you, and, I mean, it's just, Mark Henry's one of the most underappreciated guys in MMA, I think, because he's so quiet and unassuming, doesn't toot his own horn, but when you talk to that guy, you see the wheels spinning, and you're like, wow.

00:29:40.000 He's something serious.

00:29:41.000 And everybody I know that's worked with him has said he's like one of the best coaches I've ever seen.

00:29:45.000 There's nothing like it.

00:29:46.000 I remember the first time I went, he broke it down.

00:29:47.000 I remember he was telling me, movement.

00:29:49.000 On the show, he broke me down a little bit.

00:29:50.000 Like, we're going to work like throw a punch, slide out, slide back, slide left, clinch, different stuff, staying out of punching range.

00:29:56.000 He broke it down very lightly for six weeks.

00:29:59.000 And like, I fell in love with it there.

00:30:00.000 Is that the first time you worked with him?

00:30:02.000 You ask him to this day, and we was in the back, the first fight to get in the house, and that was the last fight, and I told him, like, coach, I like to warm up early.

00:30:09.000 So I want to start warming up.

00:30:10.000 Before the first fight, just to get my heart going, it was a wrestling thing.

00:30:13.000 Go hard, and he just chills till time.

00:30:15.000 And when I was going, he was like, have you ever done this before?

00:30:17.000 I had no background in anything.

00:30:18.000 Just a wrestler that could throw a one-two.

00:30:20.000 That was it.

00:30:21.000 And he was like, I'm going to show you this.

00:30:22.000 And he kept telling me to do it.

00:30:23.000 And I was listening.

00:30:24.000 Like, bro, you listen so well.

00:30:25.000 Like, when I'm wrestling, you have to listen.

00:30:26.000 And that's when me and Mark clicked from that day.

00:30:28.000 And I remember when they flipped a coin and it came on Frankie saying, Frankie, get the first pick.

00:30:33.000 I remember hearing Mark in the back.

00:30:34.000 Corey!

00:30:34.000 We want Corey.

00:30:35.000 He listens.

00:30:35.000 He's a wrestler.

00:30:36.000 He listens to this.

00:30:36.000 And me and Mark have been like this since.

00:30:38.000 And we have that bond.

00:30:40.000 But I remember coming the first day to his house, I got the jersey.

00:30:43.000 That's how I got there.

00:30:44.000 Mark was the one who texted me.

00:30:44.000 Frankie said, oh, come on, Ricardo.

00:30:46.000 I met everybody together.

00:30:48.000 But Mark was the one who was more hands-on texting me while I was back home with the family.

00:30:52.000 Work this, work that, work this, work that.

00:30:53.000 Go to Rufus Sport and work your kicks.

00:30:54.000 We need to have the kicks good by the time you get here.

00:30:57.000 And it was in the basement.

00:30:58.000 He's like, alright.

00:30:59.000 So, you see like this whole piece of paper, like all the way down.

00:31:02.000 Like codes.

00:31:03.000 Everybody's codes rolled out on paper.

00:31:04.000 Like, what is that?

00:31:05.000 He's like, oh, that's the combos.

00:31:06.000 Like, that's like a hundred combos.

00:31:08.000 Like, oh yeah, we got codes.

00:31:09.000 Like, nobody ever knows this.

00:31:10.000 And it changes the code for each fight, right?

00:31:12.000 Yeah.

00:31:13.000 And I'm like, what is that?

00:31:13.000 And you see my paper just blank.

00:31:15.000 He's like, alright, so this is your schedule.

00:31:16.000 He had me on the first schedule.

00:31:17.000 This is your schedule.

00:31:18.000 And that was just packed.

00:31:19.000 Like 13 weeks of non-stop going.

00:31:22.000 And this is what we're going to work for your coach.

00:31:24.000 So today we're going to start with the jab, cross, ski, the coach for that, and movement.

00:31:28.000 About three rounds in, I was like, yo, I'm flat-footed.

00:31:31.000 I couldn't move like that.

00:31:32.000 I can't do this.

00:31:33.000 He's like, you can do it.

00:31:34.000 It's like a tandem dance.

00:31:35.000 And we join the dance team.

00:31:37.000 The first day we learn this new routine, we're going to be all over.

00:31:39.000 We're tripping each other every day.

00:31:40.000 And the next day we get a little better.

00:31:41.000 And we got it kind of like the first course, we got it.

00:31:45.000 By the end of time, when it's time to perform, we're going to look beautiful.

00:31:47.000 I promise you.

00:31:49.000 Sure enough, I found he had a pizza.

00:31:51.000 He was like, I want a slice of pizza.

00:31:52.000 He's like, I want you to learn how to move.

00:31:54.000 He's like, you learn how to move, I'll give you a slice of my pizza.

00:31:56.000 He's like, when you can move, I'll bring you a slice of pizza.

00:31:59.000 I heard he's got some killer pizza.

00:32:00.000 Yeah, it's pretty good.

00:32:01.000 I think it was week 10 before the fight.

00:32:03.000 I had 13-week camp.

00:32:04.000 He's like, you actually moved a little bit.

00:32:06.000 I told my wife to bring you home with a slice. 0.99

00:32:09.000 It was a slice.

00:32:09.000 I got his approval.

00:32:11.000 Ever since then, it's just been a thing.

00:32:13.000 That movement, his scientific ways.

00:32:16.000 I've seen Chris Weidman do it, Rashad Evans.

00:32:19.000 We've got Lance Palmer and Claudia now.

00:32:21.000 Different people watching and trying to learn.

00:32:24.000 Lance Palmer's out there too now?

00:32:26.000 Yeah, he just came out recently.

00:32:28.000 Last week, before I left, he showed up.

00:32:30.000 Who else is out there?

00:32:30.000 Who did you say?

00:32:31.000 Claudia.

00:32:32.000 She had a gym out there, and she's been at our gym working.

00:32:35.000 And when Mark was helping him after sparring last Thursday, and he called me in the cage, like, Corey, Corey's really good to show him how we do the one, two, blah, blah, blah.

00:32:42.000 And when I look back at him, they both had that look at each other like... 0.99

00:32:47.000 That's a lot of shit. 1.00

00:32:49.000 But you figure it out in time. 1.00

00:32:50.000 When it's new, anything new to you is going to be uncomfortable.

00:32:54.000 But after you figure it out and you do it for so much, it's muscle memory.

00:32:57.000 So when you were fighting as a heavyweight, you weren't a mover?

00:32:59.000 I mean, what I thought was moving, wasn't moving.

00:33:03.000 But for heavyweight, it was just kind of like a little bounce.

00:33:05.000 Bounce on my knees.

00:33:05.000 If they go step forward, when they go throw a punch, hop out and then come back with a jab to a double A. Right.

00:33:10.000 That's what I had to mean. 1.00

00:33:11.000 Standard shit. 1.00

00:33:11.000 Yeah, that was movement. 1.00

00:33:12.000 I thought I was the man. 0.99

00:33:13.000 I'm moving my ass off. 0.99

00:33:15.000 No. 0.98

00:33:16.000 That was nothing.

00:33:17.000 You get the mark and it's kind of like feet on your toes, bounce, bounce.

00:33:20.000 Don't ever stop.

00:33:20.000 When you stop, it hits you like 10 times.

00:33:21.000 That's what happens when you stop.

00:33:22.000 It's really interesting when you watch the difference between the way people utilize footwork.

00:33:26.000 I think probably the best example in combat, well, there's two great examples in combat sports.

00:33:31.000 Lomachenko.

00:33:32.000 Who has got some of the most incredible footwork of all time.

00:33:35.000 And Sanchai, who's a tie fighter, who's got crazy footwork.

00:33:39.000 Constantly switching stances, light on his toes, fights different than any other tie fighter, and widely considered the best of all time. 0.99

00:33:47.000 And Lomachenko, when you watch guys who have good footwork fight him, they're like, what in the fuck?

00:33:53.000 You throw a punch and he's over here, and he's hitting you here, and uppercut's coming under your arm, and he's back this way. 0.97

00:34:00.000 It's like the Matrix.

00:34:01.000 He's constantly moving, and that guy started out as a dancer.

00:34:04.000 His dad, when his dad was training him at a box, he made him do Russian folk dancing.

00:34:11.000 I think, I want to say for like four years, he made him do this kind of Russian style of dancing.

00:34:18.000 He was like, you're going to have to learn how to move your feet, and now you see him, he fights, it's effortless.

00:34:23.000 It's just a part of who he is.

00:34:25.000 And guys who are more plotting, and they're used to that normal stationary target, he's so much more complex.

00:34:32.000 And obviously, fantastic puncher too, but the footwork is off the charts.

00:34:37.000 It's just such a different thing.

00:34:38.000 There's levels to everything.

00:34:40.000 And you, I guess, realized that when you went from heavyweight to training with Mark.

00:34:45.000 205, Mark, yep.

00:34:46.000 But like we said, the footwork thing.

00:34:48.000 One thing I've seen in MMA, the Holloway-Ortega fight.

00:34:51.000 Yeah.

00:34:52.000 I feel like in my mind, I feel like I was watching Lemon Chaco MMA, how Holloway was like hitting angles.

00:34:58.000 Because Brian isn't like a mover type.

00:35:00.000 He's just a game.

00:35:01.000 He's biting down.

00:35:02.000 He's gritty.

00:35:02.000 He's ready to go.

00:35:03.000 And it seemed like as the rounds, like third, fourth, and fifth round, or third and fourth round, like when he would go to punch...

00:35:09.000 Max will switch southpaw.

00:35:11.000 And when he go to counter, he go back with the hook this way.

00:35:14.000 And it was just like, yo, his footwork right now was, like, I watched it probably like seven times and studied his feet.

00:35:18.000 Like, how was he?

00:35:19.000 And he never lost balance.

00:35:21.000 One time.

00:35:22.000 And I was like, this is just incredible.

00:35:23.000 I love watching that.

00:35:24.000 Like you said, a dance.

00:35:25.000 It's beautiful.

00:35:26.000 Max is very good at distance control.

00:35:30.000 He's one of the very best at just moving slightly out of range, then right back in.

00:35:34.000 And he puts a lot of pressure on you because of that too.

00:35:37.000 If he catches you breathing heavy, if he sees any slowing down in you, he starts pouring it on.

00:35:43.000 Like he starts trying to get you to wilt.

00:35:44.000 He sees it.

00:35:45.000 It's very interesting how he does it too, because he does it with, he overloads you not just with his attack, but also with all the variables that you see.

00:35:54.000 The combinations, the switching, the putting pressure on you.

00:35:58.000 There's so much going on that you're always thinking about it, and that on top of it makes you more tired.

00:36:03.000 Yeah, he's good at smelling the blood.

00:36:05.000 He knows a lot of people.

00:36:06.000 I know that's one thing I'm not good at.

00:36:09.000 I'm working on it.

00:36:10.000 Mark was telling me the other day, I want to start finishing people with the hands.

00:36:12.000 You had so many fights where you couldn't, but you hit a guy with a combo and you take a shot.

00:36:16.000 The guy would be right.

00:36:17.000 You just don't see it. 1.00

00:36:18.000 Instead of keep punching him, you would shoot. 1.00

00:36:20.000 He would stop punching and you would shoot on him. 0.91

00:36:22.000 It's like, I hit guys with combos, and when I go to boxing, you're like, bro, you box.

00:36:27.000 You're a boxer, but you go into your fights, and you box just to get to your takedowns, but that's because I'm a wrestler.

00:36:32.000 I can box.

00:36:33.000 I don't have to, but I will.

00:36:35.000 Do you think there's a worry, though, when you're trying to finish fights versus just trying to fight your best?

00:36:41.000 I think guys should just fight their best, and if a finish comes, it comes.

00:36:46.000 I'm I'm of the opinion that.

00:36:48.000 I'm of the opinion that when people make big mistakes, and I wouldn't discourage anybody from going crazy.

00:36:53.000 If someone likes to go crazy, they like to fight wild, hey man, that's you.

00:36:57.000 That's your style.

00:36:58.000 That's how you express yourself.

00:36:59.000 Nothing wrong with it.

00:37:00.000 But if I was going to give some advice, they say, what should I do?

00:37:02.000 I want to have a long career as a professional.

00:37:05.000 I'd say, fight your best.

00:37:06.000 Don't worry about the outcome.

00:37:08.000 Just fight your best.

00:37:09.000 And if you fight your best, and if you connect and someone gets hurt and you put them away, that's great.

00:37:13.000 But if you just win, that's great too.

00:37:16.000 Just fight your best.

00:37:17.000 The more you can do what you can technically and take as little damage as possible, that's a good fight.

00:37:27.000 Like I said, that's something else.

00:37:28.000 The OSP fight, Mark said it.

00:37:31.000 Smothers got a whole camp.

00:37:32.000 He's got that good kick.

00:37:34.000 The OSP fight and Gian Vellante, the two fights Mark called, the only things I can get knocked out with.

00:37:40.000 He said, with Gian Vellante, the only thing this guy can knock you out with is overhand right.

00:37:45.000 He says, you got to bring that jab right back after.

00:37:47.000 You got a good jab, but bring your hands back because he times that overhand right so smooth.

00:37:51.000 And even in between rounds, he's like, you're eating overhand right.

00:37:53.000 I know it's not hurting you, but it only takes one.

00:37:55.000 It takes one.

00:37:55.000 Keep that hand up.

00:37:56.000 Keep that hand up.

00:37:57.000 And sure enough, to this day, he say, remember I told you overhand right?

00:38:01.000 And then with OSP, he's like, the only thing he can get you with is that left kick.

00:38:05.000 If you stay close to him, keep the pressure.

00:38:07.000 Keep him on the cage.

00:38:08.000 When he's down, he's saying, bring him back down.

00:38:10.000 Don't listen to the fans.

00:38:11.000 People are going to boot.

00:38:11.000 They're going to get in your head and make you want to strike, trying to get in that fight.

00:38:14.000 That's what they want to see.

00:38:15.000 But we're just trying to get the win.

00:38:17.000 Don't go right.

00:38:18.000 And keep pressure.

00:38:19.000 Do not go right and keep pressure.

00:38:21.000 If you watch that fight, the whole two rounds, pressure.

00:38:24.000 Not going right, going left.

00:38:26.000 Put him to the cage.

00:38:26.000 Take him down.

00:38:27.000 Keep him down in the cage.

00:38:28.000 He stand up, bring him back.

00:38:29.000 Third round, I took him down.

00:38:31.000 He piled up when I was against the cage.

00:38:32.000 I can remember hearing people say, oh, let's stand up and fight, stand up and fight.

00:38:36.000 And I bagged away for a second and started moving.

00:38:37.000 Like, alright, I'm going to play from the outside a little bit.

00:38:39.000 And I went right.

00:38:41.000 Right into the head kick. 1.00

00:38:43.000 And I was like, when I came, first thing Mark said in the back, like, bro, you look phenomenal.

00:38:47.000 You just went right.

00:38:48.000 Like, you look great.

00:38:49.000 You just went right.

00:38:51.000 Everything was beautiful, that fight.

00:38:53.000 That was your breakthrough fight.

00:38:54.000 You just went right.

00:38:56.000 But we're going to go back.

00:38:56.000 You're going to do better.

00:38:57.000 I know you will.

00:38:58.000 And I was just like, after that, I guess I went to drum, but I was like... 1.00

00:39:02.000 Fuck what the fans say. 1.00

00:39:03.000 We're winning. 1.00

00:39:04.000 Fuck what the fans say. 1.00

00:39:05.000 But like you said, when you and Shia was on, I listened before, and you say, I beat Little Chief, I beat this, but you don't hear my name. 0.99

00:39:10.000 It's because I'm not trying to do the stuff that's exciting anymore.

00:39:12.000 I'm just winning.

00:39:13.000 And my style ain't exciting to them, but that's because you're not a mixed martial arts fan.

00:39:17.000 You're a fan of a knockout, or you're a fan of some fancy stuff.

00:39:20.000 They're talking Johnny Walker of this and this.

00:39:22.000 Johnny Walker hasn't shown mixed martial arts yet.

00:39:24.000 He's shown fancy stuff that knocks people out.

00:39:26.000 It looks great, yes.

00:39:28.000 But just like Anthony Smith and all those guys, and they get in front of somebody like John Jones, and you can't hit them with that one punch.

00:39:35.000 What are you going to do?

00:39:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:37.000 So, that's the thing I say.

00:39:39.000 Right now, I'm not fighting.

00:39:40.000 He said, when are you going to fight?

00:39:41.000 I don't know.

00:39:42.000 But I'll be ready.

00:39:43.000 Because I can do everything.

00:39:44.000 Yeah, we were just talking about Johnny Walker.

00:39:46.000 He's in surgery now.

00:39:47.000 He had to go through surgery for a shoulder.

00:39:49.000 That celebration.

00:39:50.000 That celebration.

00:39:51.000 Which is so crazy.

00:39:52.000 He wins.

00:39:53.000 He beats Sir Kronov with a beautiful timed knee.

00:39:56.000 Perfect flying knee.

00:39:57.000 Looks fantastic.

00:39:58.000 And then drops to the ground. 1.00

00:40:00.000 Just playing around and blows his fucking shoulder out. 1.00

00:40:03.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:40:04.000 That's the game.

00:40:05.000 Anything can happen.

00:40:06.000 Anything can happen. 0.99

00:40:07.000 When it happens like that, it's like, God damn, man. 0.99

00:40:11.000 You're so promising. 0.98

00:40:14.000 What gets people excited when people finish fights, right?

00:40:17.000 When people KO people.

00:40:19.000 And so a lot of times people try to lean towards that.

00:40:23.000 But if that's not your style...

00:40:24.000 You should fight the way you're fighting.

00:40:27.000 If I was in your corner, first of all, I'd say, listen to Mark Henry.

00:40:30.000 Mark Henry knows everything. 1.00

00:40:31.000 And then second of all, I'd say, don't change shit, man. 0.99

00:40:34.000 What you're doing is perfect. 0.99

00:40:35.000 Just fight the way you're fighting.

00:40:37.000 The way you're fighting is just, you're winning.

00:40:41.000 I just think that it should be...

00:40:45.000 It should be emphasized always to fight the best you can.

00:40:49.000 Fight intelligently.

00:40:51.000 And you gotta decide, and everybody has to decide, when is it time to take a risk?

00:40:55.000 When is it time to close the distance?

00:40:56.000 When is it time to put pressure on someone and throw yourself into the fire to try to get a finish? 0.91

00:41:01.000 And if you just think you should just fight technically, look man, fucking Floyd Mayweather's done that most of his career.

00:41:07.000 Especially later on, when he was Pretty Boy Floyd earlier on in his career, he was trying to knock a lot of guys out. 0.90

00:41:12.000 But later on in his career, in most of his big fights, like with Pacquiao and a lot of other guys, he just wins.

00:41:19.000 He just wins, and he makes more money than anybody.

00:41:21.000 Just wins.

00:41:23.000 Trust me.

00:41:24.000 In my mind, I know exactly.

00:41:26.000 I'll tell you, when I get into sparring, sparring is when I want to work on things.

00:41:30.000 You know, every Saturday going to sparring, me and my wife drives, like, what are we working on today?

00:41:33.000 We're going to try to work on putting a little more emphasis on the punches and not shoot right away, blah, blah, blah, on the ground.

00:41:38.000 More ground and pound.

00:41:39.000 Don't worry about the jiu-jitsu submissions.

00:41:41.000 Just hit this, this, and this.

00:41:42.000 When it's come time to fight, When that light's come on Saturday night and Bruce Buffer in there and you sit at the side, it's a whole different game plan.

00:41:48.000 I know what I can do.

00:41:49.000 I know what's right.

00:41:50.000 And that's why I get into those spots.

00:41:51.000 It ain't like I tell myself, take a shot.

00:41:53.000 It's muscle memory. 0.64

00:41:54.000 I hit him.

00:41:55.000 He put his hands up and he stopped.

00:41:56.000 The legs is wide open.

00:41:57.000 Of course.

00:41:57.000 I was an NCAA All-American, NCAA finalist.

00:42:00.000 Why wouldn't I shoot? 0.97

00:42:01.000 I take him down. 1.00

00:42:02.000 Exactly.

00:42:02.000 And if you look at my last three fights, I feel like going back and watching them.

00:42:06.000 Those, you can't say I'm one-sided because Alir, everybody's like, oh, no way he can wrestle with Alir.

00:42:11.000 Alir is way more powerful and a better wrestler.

00:42:13.000 He wrestled for whatever, where he's from, Albanian world team.

00:42:17.000 He couldn't take me down, and I outstruck him.

00:42:19.000 You know, you went to Glover, like, oh, Glover's a finisher, and a jiu-jitsu guy.

00:42:22.000 If Corey goes to the ground with him, it's over, and he cannot Corey out.

00:42:24.000 I outstruck him, outwrestled him, and got him in mount, and had him in side guard.

00:42:29.000 I had him I had his back.

00:42:30.000 I had every position on him.

00:42:31.000 So you can't say, I don't have jiu-jitsu.

00:42:33.000 I don't have wrestling.

00:42:33.000 I don't have striking.

00:42:35.000 And then Pat Cummins, everybody's like, oh, he was at the NCAA. D1 All-American.

00:42:38.000 He beat DC at the OTC. He's going to kill Corey in wrestling. 0.90

00:42:43.000 Stopped his takedown and set the record with 13 takedowns on him who had the record at 11. It's like, I don't understand the fans.

00:42:49.000 Everybody got something to say.

00:42:51.000 I think you listen to people too much, Corey.

00:42:53.000 That's the problem.

00:42:54.000 My wife said all the time, like, every morning, she's like, no negativity today. 1.00

00:42:57.000 You should just stay the fuck offline. 0.99

00:42:59.000 That's what you should do. 1.00

00:43:00.000 Don't read that shit. 1.00

00:43:01.000 Because now I'm doing the hunting stuff. 1.00

00:43:02.000 And when I post the stuff, it's like, something will pop up.

00:43:07.000 MMA questions.

00:43:08.000 Yeah.

00:43:09.000 Or at the top of the screen, it'll drop down or pop up in the notification.

00:43:12.000 I get an email notification.

00:43:15.000 Somebody said, and you see half of it.

00:43:17.000 I'm like, don't open it.

00:43:18.000 Don't open it.

00:43:19.000 Then I'm driving.

00:43:20.000 I wonder what the rest of it say.

00:43:21.000 It could be a good thing.

00:43:22.000 It might be bad.

00:43:23.000 And I actually open it up later on And somebody's saying something bad And it's just like Like my wife just said She's like I see it Just don't pay no attention to it You're allowing negativity Into your life You think about your camp, you got all these positive people, all these motivated people, all these professionals.

00:43:42.000 You know, exceptional human beings, right?

00:43:44.000 Everybody training and grinding together. 1.00

00:43:46.000 And then you got schmoes that are contacting you on Twitter or Instagram or whatever and just saying a bunch of nonsense and that could fuck with your head. 0.98

00:43:54.000 You know, and these are not people that would ever say that if they were in front of your face. 0.99

00:43:58.000 It's a gross way to communicate. 0.72

00:44:00.000 It's just, it's not a hell, it's like, it's like passing by a shitty fast food restaurant and being drawn in to eat. 0.99

00:44:07.000 And then you eat and you're like, God, why don't I eat that garbage? 0.96

00:44:10.000 Why don't I do that?

00:44:10.000 It's the same thing.

00:44:11.000 That makes sense.

00:44:12.000 It's like fast food for your brain.

00:44:14.000 It's so tempting because you just want to read those comments.

00:44:17.000 And most of the people are probably good people who are fans.

00:44:21.000 Most of them. 0.99

00:44:22.000 But all it takes is 10% assholes and you never want to look at your comments again. 0.99

00:44:27.000 1 out of 10. It's not hard to get 10%. 0.99

00:44:30.000 10% assholes is pretty damn good in the real world. 1.00

00:44:33.000 If you only run into 1 out of 10 that's an asshole. 1.00

00:44:37.000 Or one out of a hundred. 1.00

00:44:38.000 Even if it was one out of a hundred and your comments are shitty, you don't want to read those comments. 0.87

00:44:42.000 It's just for a fighter, man, so much of it is about mindset and just being focused and not having any distractions. 0.87

00:44:49.000 And I think those comments are a giant distraction.

00:44:52.000 You don't need anybody telling you what to do. 0.99

00:44:54.000 You got Mark fucking Henry. 0.99

00:44:55.000 You got Ricardo Almeida. 0.98

00:44:57.000 You got all these world champions around you.

00:44:59.000 You don't need any other information.

00:45:02.000 You're getting plenty of information. 1.00

00:45:04.000 Fuck all that shit. 1.00

00:45:05.000 You shouldn't even look at it. 1.00

00:45:06.000 You should post and just run away.

00:45:09.000 Just post something and don't even look at it.

00:45:11.000 Just keep going.

00:45:12.000 Just keep going.

00:45:14.000 I gotta work it.

00:45:15.000 I know I gotta work on it.

00:45:16.000 Because what you're saying right now, all the things you were saying about beating Glover, about beating Aaliyah Latifah, yeah, but you're saying it like you're arguing with somebody. 0.98

00:45:25.000 You're saying like someone told you you can't do it, but who gives a fuck what they said? 0.99

00:45:29.000 You did do it. 0.99

00:45:30.000 So why argue with someone who clearly doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about anyway, right? 0.97

00:45:35.000 But in your head, you're like, they said I couldn't do this. 0.97

00:45:38.000 So you still have that...

00:45:40.000 See, you know what I'm talking about.

00:45:42.000 You have that battle.

00:45:44.000 100%.

00:45:44.000 Because Mark, they tell me all the time, like, bro, quit feeding.

00:45:47.000 Don't even read it.

00:45:48.000 Where I come from, me and my brother, we also have that mentality.

00:45:51.000 People like to talk this and this.

00:45:53.000 We weren't the type that we ain't going to sit there and talk back and forth.

00:45:55.000 It was like, all right. 0.99

00:45:55.000 And my first response to anybody, they're talking shit like, all right, put your hands up. 0.99

00:46:00.000 Right. 0.99

00:46:00.000 I'm ready to fight. 0.99

00:46:01.000 You say something.

00:46:02.000 I'm going to prove you wrong.

00:46:03.000 That's always been my time.

00:46:04.000 Like, they always said, Corey, couldn't do this.

00:46:06.000 You wouldn't do that.

00:46:07.000 You wouldn't do this.

00:46:07.000 My whole life.

00:46:08.000 Like, in college, like, Corey, you're not good enough to go to Midlands.

00:46:11.000 We only take five guys on the team.

00:46:12.000 And I'm guaranteed, Coach, I ain't going to take you.

00:46:14.000 But the two years I was there, I was the guy that went to Midlands, the first pick, every time.

00:46:18.000 Like, I'm always shooting to prove somebody wrong.

00:46:20.000 Do you feel like that's a part of your motivation?

00:46:22.000 Yes.

00:46:23.000 It's always been that way.

00:46:24.000 But your motivation is obviously excellence.

00:46:26.000 There's no way it could just be to prove someone wrong as hard as you work.

00:46:30.000 No, but that's how I got to the mentality and the work ethic I got.

00:46:35.000 Because in high school, I wasn't like this. 0.96

00:46:36.000 I sucked in high school. 0.98

00:46:38.000 What way? 0.97

00:46:39.000 I didn't win a match.

00:46:41.000 I was a sophomore in high school.

00:46:42.000 Really?

00:46:42.000 I've been wrestling since third grade.

00:46:44.000 I was ass-tastic. 0.99

00:46:45.000 I was horrible. 0.99

00:46:47.000 Why?

00:46:48.000 I got beat one time and the coach left me up.

00:46:50.000 They loaded the bus and left me sitting there.

00:46:52.000 Because you got beat the way you got beat?

00:46:54.000 Yes.

00:46:54.000 They didn't want to bring you home?

00:46:56.000 I got beat the way I got beat.

00:46:57.000 I lost to a girl, Joe.

00:47:00.000 You lost to a girl? 1.00

00:47:01.000 Deadass. 0.89

00:47:01.000 I didn't have the mentality. 0.89

00:47:03.000 When I got off the mat, the team was gone.

00:47:05.000 When I was outside, the bus was gone.

00:47:06.000 The only reason I got home was because the varsity came for a duel that night.

00:47:09.000 And the coach was like, why are you still here? 0.99

00:47:11.000 Wow, that's fucked up. 0.99

00:47:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:13.000 That's a ruthless coach.

00:47:14.000 But that's the thing, I wasn't, I was that boy, like they got the little boy that cried wolf.

00:47:19.000 You know, I was always trying to get out of workouts.

00:47:20.000 I was fat.

00:47:21.000 I was lazy.

00:47:22.000 At the time growing up, I loved the outdoors, but I loved video games.

00:47:25.000 I loved eating junk.

00:47:26.000 You know, I didn't always have this mindset.

00:47:28.000 So when it came to a point when I wanted to do good, and I was trying, I took my first injury, my very first injury, sophomore year in high school, before conference, I snapped my ankle, cleaned through.

00:47:36.000 And I remember everybody, when I was sitting there hurt, first time I was actually hurt, but I had faked so many injuries, even a coach came up and was like, tell him, get up, Corey, I was faking.

00:47:44.000 Everybody's going to run a sprint, so you get up.

00:47:46.000 Because they all thought I was faking, but I was actually hurt.

00:47:49.000 And my buddy stopped, he grabbed me and took me to the trainer.

00:47:51.000 Even the trainer was like, I was probably a sprint, he'll be fine.

00:47:54.000 I went to the doc.

00:47:54.000 My dad came and got me.

00:47:55.000 I went to the x-ray.

00:47:56.000 There was like this much bone holding my foot from falling off my leg.

00:47:59.000 The ankle is pretty much shattered.

00:48:01.000 Why didn't nobody bring you in?

00:48:02.000 They kept saying there was nothing wrong.

00:48:03.000 I went back to the x-ray.

00:48:04.000 They were like, oh, bro, we're so sorry.

00:48:06.000 You have been for so long.

00:48:09.000 I've been wrestling since third grade.

00:48:10.000 I did it because my brother did it.

00:48:12.000 I went to do everything he did, but I didn't have the drive he had.

00:48:15.000 But after that scene, everybody kind of like dogged me out.

00:48:17.000 I remember coming back from recovery from that.

00:48:19.000 And the first time I ran after that injury, and even in my mind, like, I can't run this.

00:48:23.000 I can't run it.

00:48:23.000 And I did.

00:48:24.000 And I was limping.

00:48:24.000 And I was scared it was going to break again.

00:48:26.000 But I made it to where I was going.

00:48:27.000 I was like, bro, I can do this.

00:48:29.000 It's just, it's all here now.

00:48:31.000 That's my real life.

00:48:32.000 Everything is mentality.

00:48:33.000 Like, I never had any problem.

00:48:34.000 I was just lazy.

00:48:35.000 I didn't want to work, so I was finding a way out.

00:48:37.000 And after that, the next year, you can ask the coaches.

00:48:38.000 They told my parents I got moved into the varsity tournament, what, the first or second match?

00:48:42.000 And I took second and third in the varsity tournament after wrestling JV Ford a year before.

00:48:47.000 And I lost to the guy that won the thing.

00:48:49.000 The difference between Corey now is night and day.

00:48:51.000 It's because I realized if I put my mind to it and just work, My dad said it too.

00:48:55.000 That's the thing.

00:48:55.000 My dad pushed on at such a young age, my brother got it.

00:48:59.000 He was a star athlete, but he didn't get the openings and the opportunities I had, you know, because he was always working for my father and working here and working there.

00:49:06.000 He didn't have the time to do camps and all that.

00:49:08.000 Me being the youngest, it was a little easier for me.

00:49:10.000 I seen what he did, what he told me, what my brothers, my sisters and teammates and all the different people around me had done.

00:49:16.000 I knew the way I needed to go to get somewhere.

00:49:19.000 But being a star athlete, a professional athlete, was never a goal of mine.

00:49:23.000 I wanted to be an engineer. 0.97

00:49:24.000 I love building clubhouses and shit like that. 0.98

00:49:26.000 That was what I wanted to do. 0.98

00:49:27.000 But all that opened doors.

00:49:29.000 I wanted to go to school to University of Wisconsin-Platteville for an engineer program. 0.99

00:49:32.000 But just like sports, my grades was ass. 0.88

00:49:35.000 I didn't try them, so I went there to hang out with my friends and be cool. 0.96

00:49:38.000 Right.

00:49:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:39.000 When I applied, they messaged me back saying, your GPA isn't good enough.

00:49:42.000 The wrestling coach wanted me there.

00:49:43.000 Because by then, I was good at wrestling.

00:49:45.000 My last few years, I killed it.

00:49:46.000 I never made the state, but I killed it in the regional and sections.

00:49:49.000 I went all the way up to sections and lost in the finals.

00:49:50.000 You had to go.

00:49:51.000 You had to win that, or third, whatever.

00:49:53.000 But they said, you can't get here, but you got to go to junior college.

00:49:56.000 You get your GPA up, we can get you in.

00:49:58.000 Again, I went there.

00:49:59.000 I didn't plan on wrestling anymore.

00:50:01.000 I loved wrestling.

00:50:02.000 I cried when it was over.

00:50:04.000 But then I got David Clem, Matt Hughes' old coach.

00:50:06.000 That's how I met Matt Hughes through Lincoln College.

00:50:08.000 He reached out to me.

00:50:09.000 I was like, I heard about you.

00:50:10.000 You got the mentality of a war.

00:50:11.000 Like, you work hard.

00:50:12.000 You're a workhorse.

00:50:13.000 I need somebody like you to come here and work for me.

00:50:15.000 I can't get your scholarship because you didn't do much.

00:50:17.000 I don't have money left.

00:50:18.000 I gave you $1,800.

00:50:19.000 It was $27,000.

00:50:20.000 I thought I was on a full ride.

00:50:21.000 I'm like, oh, I'm getting money.

00:50:23.000 I went there excited, determined to get there.

00:50:25.000 Everybody's like, ah, you never made a state.

00:50:26.000 You're not going to do good.

00:50:27.000 This isn't this.

00:50:28.000 So again, that was motivation from right there.

00:50:30.000 Going to school, they don't think I can do this.

00:50:32.000 My grades aren't good enough.

00:50:33.000 They don't think I can get an education.

00:50:34.000 I'm not good enough at sports.

00:50:35.000 They don't think I'm All-American.

00:50:36.000 They think I'm going to go there and just be another member of the team.

00:50:39.000 I went there.

00:50:40.000 I cut up.

00:50:41.000 But right before the season, snapped my leg in three.

00:50:44.000 Thought it was over again.

00:50:45.000 And that coach was like, I saw you fire.

00:50:46.000 A different leg injury.

00:50:47.000 The same leg, but a different injury.

00:50:49.000 Like, three years later.

00:50:50.000 Let me bring it back to the first one.

00:50:52.000 That injury is what changed you?

00:50:54.000 Well, I got tired of people thinking I was faking.

00:50:56.000 So, because you were injured for real...

00:50:59.000 And people thought you were faking it.

00:51:01.000 You realized something was wrong.

00:51:02.000 I realized I had been lazy.

00:51:04.000 And my father my whole life, you go to my old house right now in the garage, it's still carved in there.

00:51:09.000 I never get there.

00:51:09.000 It was probably like 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock school night.

00:51:12.000 My dad woke me and my brother up to help him do some stuff on the boat.

00:51:15.000 We tired, you know?

00:51:16.000 We want to go to bed and we out there complaining the whole time.

00:51:18.000 He said, my dad, if you've met, my dad is the most motivating person ever.

00:51:21.000 Don't have an education, but he...

00:51:23.000 He started his own business from the ground up and he's living the dream.

00:51:26.000 Hunting properties, whatever he want, he can do it.

00:51:28.000 And that's where I got it from.

00:51:29.000 But it took me forever to realize this.

00:51:31.000 And I'll never forget the day.

00:51:32.000 It comes to me all the time.

00:51:34.000 I think about it.

00:51:34.000 He stood up on the boat and was up against the garage door.

00:51:36.000 Brand new garage door!

00:51:37.000 He just put up.

00:51:37.000 You know one thing I hate?

00:51:38.000 I cannot stand.

00:51:39.000 It's lazy.

00:51:40.000 And he took his drill and he cut L-A-Z-Y in the back of his brand new garage door. 0.98

00:51:44.000 And it's still there to this day.

00:51:46.000 When I go home and I visit you, I go to that garage door and you'll see it cut in the door.

00:51:49.000 Lazy.

00:51:50.000 And he cannot stand it.

00:51:51.000 And if you know him, the way he works, he just turned 59 Tuesday.

00:51:55.000 And his voice, when I said, you're at the job site, aren't you?

00:51:58.000 They are working.

00:51:59.000 He got a bunch of 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds.

00:52:01.000 He outworks everybody.

00:52:02.000 59 years old, up and down the ladder, running the crane, driving the truck to the shop.

00:52:06.000 And that's it.

00:52:06.000 He always said when I was a kid, son, it can only last so long.

00:52:09.000 I never understood what he said.

00:52:10.000 He used to come up to me on the football field.

00:52:12.000 I'd be crying and moping.

00:52:13.000 It can only last so long, son.

00:52:15.000 Keep going.

00:52:15.000 It can only last so long.

00:52:17.000 I said, what the?

00:52:18.000 Why do you always say that?

00:52:20.000 And then later on when it started getting hard, I started thinking like, practice, look at the clock.

00:52:24.000 It's like 45 minutes, but it can only last so long. 1.00

00:52:26.000 It clicked like, oh shit. 0.99

00:52:28.000 That's what my dad meant all these years. 1.00

00:52:30.000 It's going to last so long.

00:52:31.000 Just grind.

00:52:32.000 Just go.

00:52:33.000 Just put your nose down and get to it.

00:52:35.000 So you have this injury sophomore year, your ankle snaps, and you realize you've been lazy.

00:52:40.000 So what shifted in your mind?

00:52:43.000 How did you change?

00:52:45.000 I just stopped worrying about excuses to get out of practice and forgot reasons to stay.

00:52:49.000 Was it immediate or was it a gradual change?

00:52:50.000 It was as I was healing.

00:52:51.000 I was on bed rest for a while.

00:52:53.000 It was so bad and people come in and out.

00:52:57.000 My brother used to come over at the time he was playing football and whatever and watching his games.

00:53:01.000 It's just like sitting there for so long away from all the sports and all your friends and just sitting there, just yourself.

00:53:06.000 And I just realized, like, I've been doing this since third grade.

00:53:10.000 I've seen this stuff a million times.

00:53:11.000 I know the moves, I just don't apply.

00:53:13.000 I think when I get back, if I actually start trying and drilling and actually practicing and getting that extra workout in, I could cut up.

00:53:22.000 And sure enough, that's what happened.

00:53:24.000 So what was the first step?

00:53:26.000 When I came back, it was, with that first run, I was literally, my dad's shop is probably 200 yards from my house, and it was raining.

00:53:32.000 That's the only reason why I ran, because I didn't want to get wet.

00:53:35.000 I was like, I'm about to run to the house, and I'm thinking like, but this leg, I don't know if I can make it.

00:53:39.000 And right then, that doubt in my mind, like, why are you telling yourself you can't make it?

00:53:42.000 How many months out from the injury?

00:53:44.000 This was, what, I broke it in, what, January or December, and this was summertime, so it was long.

00:53:51.000 Like, I had to cast on for like five, six months, so.

00:53:53.000 Really?

00:53:54.000 Yeah.

00:53:54.000 I went to AirBoo.

00:53:55.000 It was like, it was bad.

00:53:56.000 Five or six months.

00:53:57.000 It was bad.

00:53:57.000 And then, like right now, I got the plate and the screws in there, but I broke some of the screws because I was like trying to move in a wrestling stance in my boot and I slipped.

00:54:05.000 My dad had the tile of the cement and he had the little gloss over it and I was washing the cars one day and I was like, I'm just going to, in my shadows, I don't know what.

00:54:12.000 I slipped on the wet spot and I slipped.

00:54:14.000 I felt it.

00:54:15.000 And the two of the pins that go across my ankle, it snapped.

00:54:18.000 So I had to wait for all that to heal again.

00:54:20.000 Jesus Christ.

00:54:21.000 It was a whole process.

00:54:22.000 So I was laid up for a while.

00:54:23.000 You snapped the pins?

00:54:23.000 I still got the two long screws that they take out.

00:54:25.000 They leave the seven and go up the tibia. 1.00

00:54:28.000 But the two long ones they're supposed to pull out.

00:54:30.000 But the middle when I slipped, they broke in half my bone.

00:54:33.000 So that made the bone heal slower.

00:54:35.000 Because now it's just a little spot they drilled through.

00:54:37.000 It opened up like that much more.

00:54:39.000 So I had to wait for all that to heal before I could actually walk.

00:54:42.000 Do they take the screws out and put new ones in?

00:54:43.000 No, they're still in there.

00:54:44.000 So you got broken screws in your ankle? 0.94

00:54:46.000 Like when I work out, I'm like, bro, your ankle is fat as hell.

00:54:48.000 That's because the plate and the screws, the screws are so long, the ankle won't, the swelling and everything.

00:54:52.000 It looks different than the other angle?

00:54:54.000 Yeah.

00:54:54.000 Let me see what it looks like.

00:54:56.000 Which ankle?

00:54:59.000 That's a fat ankle.

00:55:00.000 Yeah, that's the fat one.

00:55:03.000 And that's the normal one. 0.67

00:55:04.000 That one's pretty fat, too.

00:55:06.000 He has some big ankles, dude.

00:55:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:10.000 That's a big difference.

00:55:11.000 Yeah.

00:55:12.000 So, like, when I get done training, this one is, like, this big because all the blood and everything is flowing around the screw.

00:55:17.000 Wow. 0.99

00:55:19.000 Does it fuck with you anymore? 0.99

00:55:20.000 Like when it gets cold out or anything? 1.00

00:55:22.000 I feel it.

00:55:22.000 But again, mental.

00:55:24.000 Everything is mental to me now.

00:55:25.000 Right.

00:55:26.000 Everything in life.

00:55:27.000 She hates it because I tell her all the time.

00:55:28.000 She has a negative insight on something.

00:55:31.000 Like find the positive in it.

00:55:33.000 Like it's all in your mind, baby.

00:55:34.000 You can make the best out of anything.

00:55:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:37.000 This, this, and this. 0.97

00:55:38.000 I'm like, well, you could be dead. 0.79

00:55:39.000 You could have cancer. 0.72

00:55:41.000 You could have no legs.

00:55:42.000 Like she got her car smashed at work.

00:55:44.000 Somebody hit the side of it and tore it all up and had to go in a shot.

00:55:47.000 I was like, the windows didn't break though.

00:55:49.000 I was like, think about it.

00:55:50.000 It dries and your windows ain't broke.

00:55:52.000 I'm like, it's the middle of winter.

00:55:54.000 It ain't got to be cold.

00:55:55.000 Think about that.

00:55:55.000 And you didn't get hurt.

00:55:56.000 Yeah, it's like a million different things you can find to be sad, but find the good things and find the positive.

00:56:02.000 It's going to get fixed eventually. 0.95

00:56:04.000 So this ankle fucks with you still, but not enough to stop you. 0.98

00:56:07.000 Nothing to stop you. 0.96

00:56:08.000 Yeah, but does it affect you at all when you kick things?

00:56:12.000 Depends.

00:56:12.000 Yeah, they dig in.

00:56:13.000 Like if they go to do the elbow, like I go to kick the liver, and you go to sit on it, and like the elbow kind of catch it, I feel it.

00:56:20.000 But again, it doesn't stop me.

00:56:22.000 Right.

00:56:22.000 It's just a sensation.

00:56:24.000 15 minutes, that's nothing.

00:56:25.000 It only lasts so long.

00:56:26.000 It only lasts so long.

00:56:27.000 I'm going to bounce this out and keep going.

00:56:29.000 Yeah.

00:56:29.000 So you get out of the injury, you have the cast on you for five or six months, you realize how blessed you were to be able to move around, and that feeling once you get your leg back under you and start moving again, what is the changes you make?

00:56:42.000 How do you start to move your life in this positive way?

00:56:45.000 Well, after I made that first jog and I realized I'm good.

00:56:49.000 I first doubted myself, but I made it because I told myself I can do it.

00:56:53.000 I made it here.

00:56:54.000 There's no injuries.

00:56:54.000 I'm fine.

00:56:55.000 I thought it was just slow and steady.

00:56:57.000 Just start hand fighting.

00:56:59.000 They had to take down dummies that hang on the wall.

00:57:01.000 Just go there and move.

00:57:02.000 Nothing fast.

00:57:03.000 Just work hand fighting.

00:57:05.000 Just kind of grab the leg, working my shots in and out, in and out.

00:57:08.000 In the morning before practice, I used to go watch the guys for off-season practice study.

00:57:12.000 And then when I came back, it was just, oh, I have the heavyweight coach, like, coach, can we drill today?

00:57:17.000 I'm like, you asking me to drill?

00:57:19.000 Yeah, coach can see us.

00:57:20.000 I just want to work with you.

00:57:20.000 I just want to do a little bit of extra stuff.

00:57:22.000 And after practice, he worked with me.

00:57:23.000 Then the other coach would come work with me.

00:57:25.000 It got to the point where...

00:57:27.000 Like, in the morning, I was in there before school, and I was there after school for practice.

00:57:32.000 And I'll stay afterward, coach and drill, different stuff.

00:57:34.000 They must have been so confused.

00:57:35.000 They didn't, like the coach says, night and day.

00:57:38.000 Like, the difference between Corey and I was night and day.

00:57:39.000 That must have been so strange.

00:57:40.000 You have this lazy kid, and all of a sudden, he becomes a savage.

00:57:44.000 When I go back to school and I visit, they always ask me to come talk to these people.

00:57:47.000 They call me a success story.

00:57:48.000 Not only was this, but I grew up in an area where there was no black people.

00:57:51.000 I was the only black family there.

00:57:53.000 So we had racism my whole life. 0.99

00:57:55.000 That was the mental fucks of it all. 0.98

00:58:00.000 No matter what I did, you're going to be wrong. 0.98

00:58:03.000 Like, it was another Corey Anderson, too.

00:58:05.000 That was even worse.

00:58:06.000 And he was actually a troublemaker.

00:58:07.000 So when he would get in trouble, they would always come get me out of the classroom.

00:58:10.000 Like, it was Corey Anderson.

00:58:11.000 I would get pulled out.

00:58:11.000 I'm like, I ain't even did nothing.

00:58:12.000 I was a good kid.

00:58:13.000 Never did nothing wrong.

00:58:14.000 Like, I'm down in the office and the principal walks in like, wrong Corey.

00:58:17.000 Like, of course it's the wrong course.

00:58:18.000 Every time.

00:58:19.000 I remember Corey Richard Anderson and Corey C. Anderson.

00:58:22.000 I'm Corey C. He's Corey Richard.

00:58:23.000 But they always pulled me in there.

00:58:25.000 It was only a few of us in my high school.

00:58:28.000 And the fact that I never did drugs.

00:58:30.000 Just like when we was on the ring, I said, I want to come here to the show and shoot with you.

00:58:33.000 I don't want to smoke.

00:58:33.000 I never did drugs.

00:58:34.000 I don't do none of that.

00:58:35.000 I've been a good kid.

00:58:37.000 But to deal with that stuff, I used to get pulled over for no reason.

00:58:40.000 I had a nice truck, a STN drop to the ground with rims and speakers.

00:58:43.000 I used to get pulled over.

00:58:44.000 Me and my friends would get put in cuffs and sit on the curb while they searched the car looking for something.

00:58:47.000 When I went to college, it was the same thing.

00:58:49.000 I get pulled over all the time.

00:58:51.000 And the teacher would be like, every time you're late for class, you say you got pulled over.

00:58:53.000 Like, I'll tell them we're on the way here.

00:58:55.000 Like, I'm serious.

00:58:55.000 I have classmates.

00:58:56.000 I saw him.

00:58:56.000 Like, no, he's telling the truth from the start.

00:58:58.000 We saw him on the side of the road.

00:59:00.000 Like, he always gets pulled over because nice vehicle, black, and they always think it's something.

00:59:04.000 You know, and that's just where I'm from.

00:59:05.000 So dealing with that and the mentality, I finally figured out.

00:59:09.000 Like I said, that's why when people doubt me, I think, trying to prove wrong.

00:59:13.000 Because I had coaches in high school.

00:59:15.000 I won't put names on air, but I remember even when I was doing good, I knew I was doing good.

00:59:20.000 Because I had led the team in sacks.

00:59:22.000 I didn't start.

00:59:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:24.000 I laid the starting lineman out or beat this guy and this and that and this and that.

00:59:29.000 And I never got the position or something was around it.

00:59:33.000 And then when I came back, after I made it to the U.S., I was like, oh, y'all remember this?

00:59:36.000 Like, I ain't trying to hear that.

00:59:37.000 And the only coach in that high school, I will say, that believed in me was the wrestling coach, Marty Kizer.

00:59:42.000 Marty Kizer made everything possible.

00:59:44.000 They let me meet Dave Clem, who was my junior college coach, who led me to Russ Davey, who led me to Ben Askren, who Tim Fader, and everything.

00:59:52.000 And I've been blessed with the people in my life that bring me to Frankie and Mark and Ricardo.

00:59:55.000 And now I got, like, the awesome people around me.

00:59:57.000 Like my mom says, you've always been blessed to have a good circle of people.

01:00:00.000 And the one year I had a bad coach in college, It's like my mom said, we didn't have so much good.

01:00:04.000 Don't let this one coach defeat you.

01:00:07.000 Now, I'll never forget him.

01:00:08.000 Jason Valak, I'll put his name on the air.

01:00:10.000 That guy, that made me the toughest man I could because no matter what I did, he wanted to make sure he could break me.

01:00:15.000 He had control over me.

01:00:17.000 I was 16 hours away from home in South Carolina.

01:00:19.000 No family, no money.

01:00:21.000 He had me on a full ride and he would just use that.

01:00:24.000 I got you here.

01:00:25.000 You here because of me. 0.99

01:00:26.000 You do this or I'm going to cut you. 1.00

01:00:28.000 Cut me then! 1.00

01:00:29.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:00:29.000 Alright, you off the team. 1.00

01:00:30.000 Alright, I go get recruited.

01:00:31.000 And you put me back on the team.

01:00:33.000 You still in L.I. You can't do that.

01:00:34.000 This is this.

01:00:35.000 So it's kind of like...

01:00:36.000 I think that's where I got the mentality where I want to prove people wrong because...

01:00:40.000 I beat the starter.

01:00:42.000 And I beat him bad.

01:00:43.000 13-1.

01:00:44.000 12-1.

01:00:44.000 Every time I wrestle, I beat him.

01:00:45.000 But you're still not starting. 0.99

01:00:46.000 What the fuck are you making me wrestle him all for? 0.99

01:00:48.000 Like, I done beat him every time. 0.99

01:00:49.000 Well, you lost him in the first duel of the match by riding time.

01:00:51.000 The first week of school.

01:00:53.000 And I beat him every time.

01:00:54.000 But you're not going to let me start?

01:00:55.000 Nope.

01:00:55.000 Because he pins people.

01:00:56.000 And you only get points.

01:00:58.000 Kind of like fighting.

01:00:58.000 He knocks people out.

01:00:59.000 And you only win by decision.

01:01:01.000 And it's kind of like...

01:01:02.000 Alright.

01:01:03.000 So I left.

01:01:04.000 Went to Whitewater.

01:01:05.000 Where I met Ben and everything else.

01:01:07.000 Again.

01:01:08.000 Went there.

01:01:09.000 The coach knew who I was.

01:01:11.000 Nobody else knew who I was because I didn't get to wrestle the year before.

01:01:13.000 I was a bench warmer.

01:01:14.000 The killer on the team, but never wrestled.

01:01:16.000 That's so crazy.

01:01:17.000 Killer, but never wrestled.

01:01:17.000 My parents would drive 16 hours to watch me duel, and he'd make me sit at the bench the whole tournament.

01:01:21.000 It'd be a tournament.

01:01:22.000 He'd be like, you're not wrestling today.

01:01:23.000 My parents would be like, you're not wrestling.

01:01:25.000 They're like, my parents drove 16. You're not wrestling.

01:01:27.000 I'm like, you got me eight hours from the school.

01:01:30.000 My parents drove all the way up, and I can't wrestle.

01:01:32.000 What was this guy's problem?

01:01:32.000 We don't know.

01:01:33.000 I got teammates now, and guys are still fighting and everything.

01:01:37.000 They're like, bro, you got out of there.

01:01:38.000 And a lot of guys, he had them there academically.

01:01:42.000 He was like, oh, we're going to short-term, short credits, you bliss this, and then you're going to do half credits, but you're going to be able to wrestle. 0.98

01:01:46.000 So he was just a dick to a lot of guys. 0.98

01:01:48.000 He just wanted to win. 1.00

01:01:48.000 That was it. 1.00

01:01:49.000 So guys would finish their wrestling career, but they didn't have their credits to graduate.

01:01:54.000 Like, coach, I need help.

01:01:55.000 What can I do?

01:01:55.000 You don't wrestle for me no more.

01:01:57.000 I was like, bro, I'm only here because of you.

01:01:59.000 But I left.

01:02:00.000 Power.

01:02:01.000 He kept hitting me up like, oh, you keep coming back.

01:02:02.000 And next year, I'll let you start next year if you beat him again. 1.00

01:02:05.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:02:05.000 And I was like, you're exactly what I said. 1.00

01:02:07.000 I went to the AD office, told him what was going on.

01:02:09.000 They gave me my letters and let me transfer out.

01:02:12.000 But I couldn't go Division II. Like, you can leave, but you can't go Division II. He can't hold you back anymore.

01:02:16.000 Like, that's fine.

01:02:17.000 I'm out.

01:02:18.000 I left like a month before school and he showed up at my house one day.

01:02:21.000 Like, where are you?

01:02:22.000 I'm at your house.

01:02:23.000 Like, I'm gone, bro.

01:02:24.000 Like, what do you mean I'm gone?

01:02:25.000 Like, I'm done.

01:02:26.000 I'm transferring.

01:02:26.000 Like, you can't.

01:02:27.000 I showed him the papers.

01:02:28.000 Like, how did you get there?

01:02:29.000 Like, I went behind your back.

01:02:30.000 I got it done.

01:02:31.000 I'm out of there.

01:02:32.000 And Tim Fader, the coach at Whitewater, I remember he pulled up at my house.

01:02:35.000 I almost didn't go back to school because he kind of got in my head. 0.99

01:02:37.000 Like, I don't want to go nowhere else and waste my last year of school doing the same shit. 0.99

01:02:40.000 I can't trust anybody. 0.99

01:02:42.000 I took, what, six the year before an injury, but I was beating everybody.

01:02:46.000 You know, I only lost a D1, D2 guys.

01:02:49.000 And so it was like, I don't want to go anywhere else and somebody's going to screw me over a full ride.

01:02:53.000 But then this guy pulled up in my driveway when I was working one day.

01:02:56.000 He was like, I'm looking for Corey Anderson.

01:02:57.000 I've seen him before, but I didn't really know much about him.

01:03:00.000 We went to lunch or whatever.

01:03:02.000 He was like, I know your story, but the thing is, I can't give you a full ride because of D3. We can't give money, but I want you to wrestle for me. 0.87

01:03:09.000 This isn't this.

01:03:10.000 And like I said, when I went D3, nobody knew who I was because I didn't get to wrestle.

01:03:14.000 But he knew, like, we're not even going to let you wrestle for a while. 0.98

01:03:16.000 So I thought, right after the gig, I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:03:18.000 Same shit. 1.00

01:03:19.000 He's like, no, it ain't that. 1.00

01:03:20.000 He said, I don't want people to know what we got.

01:03:22.000 We're going to wait until the first home duel, and I'm going to let you loose.

01:03:26.000 And the first home duel, I had the number three dude in the country.

01:03:28.000 And I'll never forget that week.

01:03:29.000 He said, you ready?

01:03:29.000 Like, what you mean?

01:03:30.000 He's like, it's the time.

01:03:31.000 You get to come out.

01:03:32.000 Gave me my single.

01:03:33.000 Like, you ready to show up?

01:03:34.000 Like, you know I'm ready.

01:03:36.000 Dogged the number three guy out by like 12 points. 0.99

01:03:38.000 I was like, who the fuck is this kid? 0.99

01:03:40.000 He was like, yes, I'm finally home. 0.99

01:03:42.000 And then shortly after, I met Russ Davey, a guy who came from Colorado who coached in Wisconsin.

01:03:46.000 He was my heavyweight coach.

01:03:47.000 Olympic guy.

01:03:48.000 And then he brought in Ben Askren.

01:03:50.000 That's how I got into fighting.

01:03:52.000 Ben...

01:03:53.000 It was just like, like I said, the people around you.

01:03:55.000 It just mold you.

01:03:55.000 Like, I'm blessed.

01:03:56.000 I'm sitting here thinking about it.

01:03:57.000 And it makes me feel good because all the things I've been through and everything, it all worked out. 0.99

01:04:01.000 Yeah, having that dick coach probably helped you. 0.98

01:04:04.000 It helped me. 0.98

01:04:04.000 It wasn't about... 0.98

01:04:05.000 And my coach told me when I signed.

01:04:07.000 When I signed, the coach gave me a full ride.

01:04:08.000 That's the one that kept saying.

01:04:09.000 They gave me a full ride.

01:04:09.000 He kept saying, Corey, it ain't all about the money.

01:04:11.000 Like, it's the most decision in your life.

01:04:13.000 It's not about the money.

01:04:13.000 Coach Clem and Steven Bradley, and they both said, like, it's not about the money, Corey.

01:04:18.000 Remember, it's the most important decision in your life.

01:04:21.000 Don't let the money fuel you.

01:04:22.000 But that's what it was for me.

01:04:24.000 You know, I went to school as a walk-on pretty much, and now I'm getting full ride offers from everywhere.

01:04:28.000 And now I'm going to the number one school, Division II, and they give me a full ride.

01:04:32.000 Like, I thought that was something.

01:04:34.000 When I got there, I figured out what he meant.

01:04:36.000 And I'll never forget calling both coaches.

01:04:37.000 Like, you guys are right.

01:04:38.000 I'm back home now and I'm trying to figure out what's now.

01:04:40.000 Like, well, you can go NAI. I know a few schools that want you.

01:04:43.000 It's good coaches, blah, blah, blah.

01:04:44.000 Like, I'm just going to chill and think about it.

01:04:46.000 When that coach came and the fact that he came to my house, reached out to me, he told me, I can't get you money, but I want you for you and as a leader.

01:04:54.000 When I first got there, even though he told me he wasn't going to let me wrestle, he let me run practice for the first month because he couldn't teach it before the season got there.

01:05:00.000 I want you to run practice, this, this, and this, because you got that mentality.

01:05:04.000 You can help these guys show what you did in D2. Number one school, you can show us stuff here.

01:05:08.000 I ended up being the first NCAA All-American or NCAA finalist the school had in 22 years.

01:05:13.000 I led the team in takedowns all the way up until the regional tournament.

01:05:17.000 My roommate beat me when we had a competition going. 0.93

01:05:19.000 I did a lot of things.

01:05:20.000 That most people didn't see heavyweights do.

01:05:22.000 The way I shot.

01:05:23.000 The way I wrestled.

01:05:23.000 My mentality.

01:05:24.000 I was always working.

01:05:25.000 I was doing strength and conditioning before practice.

01:05:28.000 And before the morning, like 6 o'clock, we had strength and conditioning.

01:05:31.000 And I got a class at 1. And I'd be in the gym lifting or doing circuit training until 3. And it went from just me to me and my roommate to other teammates.

01:05:39.000 And like you said, people would see how you're doing it.

01:05:41.000 And they would jump in.

01:05:42.000 And before you know it, it was like 6 or 7 of us working out in the field house.

01:05:46.000 Feeding off each other.

01:05:47.000 Yeah.

01:05:47.000 And we just Motivating each other And the bond We had there As a team Like I remember Getting there And everybody was like Oh what's our goal One thing I thought about Was nationals Everybody was like We want to win nationals Or win conference I was like Why the fuck Y'all talking about conference That's like the first step You got conference Regionals All this national What about the big picture Like oh we never won Conference before And I'm like, we should still want to get nationals.

01:06:10.000 And by the end of the year, everybody was feeding off each other.

01:06:13.000 We had three guys from the same high school.

01:06:15.000 Me, the 97, or 87, or 84 pounds, excuse me. 0.85

01:06:19.000 And they called us a high nigga death row.

01:06:20.000 Because that was our school and like death row sugar night and all that.

01:06:23.000 So one guy printed up shirts and it was us three.

01:06:25.000 And it was so cool to have three guys that was from the same school.

01:06:29.000 We grew up right down the street from each other.

01:06:31.000 But we all went separate ways.

01:06:32.000 One went here, one went there.

01:06:34.000 We ended up in junior college together.

01:06:36.000 We and the one guy.

01:06:38.000 Our very last year, we all ended up together as a team captain.

01:06:41.000 Senior year is our last time to do it together, the hoorah.

01:06:44.000 And we brought our whole high school to come to all our matches.

01:06:47.000 And it was only like an hour from home.

01:06:49.000 It was just cool, man.

01:06:50.000 And that was, like I said, when I met Ben there and he brought me to this thing, And I didn't want to fight.

01:06:55.000 Again, I had a doubt in my mind.

01:06:57.000 I want to go to that, but I want to go back to your high school days when you made that big shift.

01:07:01.000 Did you slip at all?

01:07:02.000 Like, you went from being a guy who was kind of lazy and under-motivated to a guy who was very disciplined, that it was like night and day.

01:07:10.000 But was there ever a time where you fell back to your old ways?

01:07:13.000 I mean, there was times like it took...

01:07:16.000 A lot of motivation and pep talk to myself to get out and do something.

01:07:20.000 It'll be times like I wanted to, instead of go work out, go play video games.

01:07:23.000 So I was big in a dirt bike and a four-wheeler.

01:07:25.000 And like when I get off the bus, you can hear the dirt bikes come to my house.

01:07:28.000 I had the motocross track in my backyard.

01:07:29.000 Me and the neighbor, he had a freestyle track, I got a dirt bike track.

01:07:31.000 And I'll get off the bus and be thinking like, all right, I'm about to go do my homework.

01:07:34.000 I need to go do a little workout lift or something.

01:07:36.000 And you hear them coming.

01:07:37.000 It's like, oh, I want to go ride instead.

01:07:40.000 I want to go ride.

01:07:40.000 But at the same time, like, you're a wrestler.

01:07:42.000 You're a wrestler.

01:07:43.000 I figure out the two.

01:07:43.000 Which one is first?

01:07:44.000 You know, I let the guys go ride on my track and I'll do push-ups or whatever and do my homework.

01:07:49.000 Whatever it was I had to do.

01:07:49.000 Just a little something.

01:07:50.000 As long as I get something.

01:07:51.000 If I did a little bit of something, that's more than the next person.

01:07:53.000 Right.

01:07:54.000 You know, by the time my senior year came around, it was kind of like...

01:07:58.000 I still wasn't all in, but I was a little more.

01:08:00.000 I didn't get all in until after that second injury in college.

01:08:03.000 And the second injury in college was the same injury, same leg.

01:08:07.000 Same leg, different injury.

01:08:08.000 What'd you do this time?

01:08:09.000 I snapped my leg in three. 0.91

01:08:11.000 How'd it happen?

01:08:12.000 Freak accident.

01:08:13.000 To this day, I just remember hearing the pop.

01:08:16.000 Was it wrestling?

01:08:17.000 Wrestling.

01:08:17.000 Me and my coach drilling.

01:08:19.000 Just drilling.

01:08:20.000 Very slow drilling, but we had brand new mats.

01:08:22.000 So they were super sticky.

01:08:24.000 And I had brand new wrestling shoes, which were super sticky.

01:08:26.000 And I remember the drill.

01:08:27.000 Coach Morgan was like, alright, so we're going to work the chain wrestling.

01:08:30.000 I shoot a single leg.

01:08:31.000 You get the single back. 0.98

01:08:32.000 When I shoot a double, you bump with the hips.

01:08:34.000 You snap to your shot.

01:08:36.000 He grabbed a single leg.

01:08:37.000 I snapped the foot down.

01:08:38.000 He shot a double.

01:08:38.000 When I hit him with my hips, I fell backwards.

01:08:40.000 And you hear a pop!

01:08:42.000 But I didn't feel it.

01:08:43.000 And he stood over me.

01:08:44.000 I remember him standing on his feet on both sides.

01:08:46.000 I was like, don't look down.

01:08:47.000 Don't look down.

01:08:49.000 Now, somebody tell you, don't look.

01:08:50.000 You're going to look.

01:08:51.000 I looked, and my foot was pointed like this, and it was down.

01:08:55.000 I was like...

01:08:57.000 I turn up and I start armor crawling.

01:08:59.000 We got a pool on the other side of the door.

01:09:00.000 And I'm trying to get in the door and just drown myself in pain.

01:09:02.000 Not a pain kick.

01:09:03.000 I'm trying to get in the pool.

01:09:04.000 You're trying to get in the pool?

01:09:05.000 I'm trying to drown, but it hurt.

01:09:07.000 I'm like, I want to die.

01:09:08.000 I'm just going.

01:09:09.000 I remember flipping me over.

01:09:10.000 You're trying to drown?

01:09:11.000 This shouldn't go through your mind.

01:09:12.000 When shock hit, when shock hit, things that hit you, you don't think.

01:09:16.000 That's the crazy thing to think.

01:09:17.000 I'm going to go drown myself.

01:09:18.000 It hurt, Joe. 0.85

01:09:19.000 Do you ever snap your leg?

01:09:21.000 No, not like that.

01:09:22.000 You know how that could have not one spot, three spots.

01:09:25.000 So it's like shooting up your whole leg to your back.

01:09:27.000 It's like all the way to your shoulders.

01:09:29.000 It's like, I just want to just over with it.

01:09:30.000 It's like, I'm just going to go jump in the water.

01:09:31.000 Wow.

01:09:32.000 First thing in my mind, it's going to bear crossed, fall in the water.

01:09:35.000 That's a crazy instinct, man.

01:09:37.000 I wasn't the most sane kid, but that was the most certain.

01:09:39.000 That was the first thing in my mind.

01:09:41.000 Go find the water.

01:09:42.000 Just end it.

01:09:42.000 And they flipped me over.

01:09:43.000 And I remember they threw it up on a punching bag.

01:09:45.000 So it had nothing to do with the old injury?

01:09:48.000 Nothing to do with it.

01:09:48.000 Oh, it was a completely different spot.

01:09:49.000 Just a totally different spot.

01:09:50.000 Probably like four or five inches up from the old injury.

01:09:52.000 It just snapped.

01:09:53.000 Freak accident.

01:09:54.000 That's what they kept saying in the hospital.

01:09:54.000 It's a freak accident.

01:09:55.000 So what did they do then?

01:09:57.000 I go to the hospital that day, and I remember the guy that snatches it back, pulls it around and snatches it and lines all the bones up, and they put it.

01:10:03.000 Like, we'll put it in the castle now, but you got to get plates and pins to set this straight.

01:10:08.000 And that one, I was out for, again, that was October 27th.

01:10:11.000 And I came back, got the release back January 13th or 14th.

01:10:17.000 It was like a little bit before regional.

01:10:19.000 And we didn't have a heavyweight all year because I got hurt, and the other guys got kicked out of school, whatever.

01:10:23.000 So three months-ish?

01:10:24.000 Yeah.

01:10:25.000 And you were back.

01:10:26.000 Well, I wasn't back, but I was cleared to start drilling.

01:10:28.000 I remember begging the coach, like, coach, just let me come back.

01:10:30.000 I can save us six points because every time one guy don't wrestle, that's an automatic six.

01:10:34.000 Did they have to put plates in your shin? 0.99

01:10:36.000 On the side of my leg.

01:10:37.000 I got a plate.

01:10:38.000 You can feel it if you bring your hand up and down. 0.98

01:10:40.000 It's like all bent up and from now all the wars and shit, kicks and wrestling. 0.94

01:10:44.000 It's like... 0.94

01:10:45.000 All wobbly, bent, warp, holes, all kinds of stuff.

01:10:49.000 From getting kicked?

01:10:49.000 Getting kicked in it, from wrestling.

01:10:51.000 People do foot sweeps.

01:10:52.000 You ever get an x-ray of it to see what it looks like?

01:10:54.000 I'm having an x-ray in forever.

01:10:55.000 I'd love to see what it looks like.

01:10:57.000 It'd be pretty bad by now.

01:10:58.000 I remember my first tournament when somebody foot swept me.

01:11:01.000 Oh my goodness, that feeling...

01:11:03.000 Like, guy had me in the underhook, and he kicked that plate, and I just fell.

01:11:07.000 Like, he didn't even kick my plate, I just fell.

01:11:08.000 Because it's the first time you feel it, and that pain slip, you've never felt it.

01:11:12.000 Your nerves run up and down that.

01:11:13.000 So when it hit, and everything just shut, and I just fell.

01:11:15.000 And he pinned me.

01:11:16.000 I was like, Coach, like, what's wrong?

01:11:17.000 Like, yo, my leg gave up.

01:11:18.000 I'm still on the mat. 0.98

01:11:19.000 Like, I don't know what the fuck happened. 0.97

01:11:20.000 And like, your nerves are turning to something. 0.99

01:11:22.000 Like, you got...

01:11:25.000 What he did, he probably kicked it and hit the plate.

01:11:27.000 And another thing that had to get in my mind, I said, like, this is going to happen often.

01:11:30.000 You just got to be able to toughen it up and just go through it.

01:11:33.000 Yeah, you have an extra vulnerable spot now.

01:11:36.000 Yeah.

01:11:36.000 And have you been low leg kicked there a lot?

01:11:39.000 A Lear fight.

01:11:40.000 He did it like four times.

01:11:41.000 Same spot.

01:11:42.000 Low leg kick.

01:11:43.000 Like I said, I got to a point now where I just deal with it.

01:11:46.000 That was in 2007. This is 2019. It's 12 years of dealing with it.

01:11:50.000 You get to a point where it's kind of like it's not really a pain anymore.

01:11:52.000 It's just a pesky injury.

01:11:54.000 You feel it.

01:11:55.000 Some of those injuries, they'll go in after it's healed up and take the plate out.

01:11:58.000 They said they can.

01:11:59.000 Do you want to do that?

01:12:00.000 But to do that, because I got the broken pins, because those pins are so broken, they got to cut like a whole section out of my leg.

01:12:06.000 Which means I'll be out of commission for a long time.

01:12:10.000 I'm used to it now.

01:12:11.000 Is there any benefit if they do that?

01:12:13.000 I get my whole leg back.

01:12:15.000 That's it.

01:12:16.000 I get my leg back.

01:12:17.000 That's the only benefit.

01:12:18.000 Like I said, I can train, right?

01:12:20.000 Yeah.

01:12:20.000 It's just going to bother you.

01:12:21.000 I deal with it.

01:12:22.000 When I retire, we do all that.

01:12:24.000 But right now...

01:12:25.000 There's no problem.

01:12:26.000 Wow.

01:12:26.000 So you have this shift in high school.

01:12:29.000 You make it to senior year, and you're a different person night and day, but you're still not the Corey Anderson of today.

01:12:36.000 So the second injury, what does the second injury do for you when you snapped it?

01:12:40.000 The second injury, that was just, I mean, that just motivated me because I didn't get to show what I can do.

01:12:47.000 It motivated me that much more that when I come back, I got to be undeniable.

01:12:52.000 I got to show up.

01:12:53.000 I got to do...

01:12:54.000 Like, nobody knows what I can do because I didn't make it to state my senior year in high school.

01:12:58.000 Right.

01:12:58.000 But then we went to team state and I pinned the guy that took fourth in state.

01:13:01.000 So I knew I could do it, but I just didn't make it there.

01:13:04.000 So when I got hurt my freshman year, that was the year I was going to show people, Corey Anderson, what y'all used to know, what you think, this, this, and this.

01:13:11.000 Then I got hurt and it kind of set me back.

01:13:14.000 In my mind, I was sad.

01:13:16.000 I remember being at home, I was emotionally sad.

01:13:19.000 But when I went to go back and I couldn't focus on wrestling, I just put my mind on schoolwork.

01:13:23.000 That's when I figured out I can do schoolwork.

01:13:25.000 I finished my freshman year with a 3.25 GPA after missing three or four months.

01:13:30.000 I had to make up everything and take tests.

01:13:32.000 That's when I realized I can do that too.

01:13:34.000 So that was the thing I got out of that injury.

01:13:37.000 Not so much the athletic part.

01:13:38.000 I was motivated to work even harder next year, but I found the fact that I can do schoolwork if I want to.

01:13:44.000 Again, it's just a mental thing.

01:13:46.000 I have to take the time to study.

01:13:48.000 I had never studied before that, ever.

01:13:51.000 Didn't do any homework.

01:13:52.000 It was I borrow somebody's homework or take somebody's notes and try to fill in answers just to get something to say it was a completion credit.

01:13:58.000 But when I had nothing to do, I couldn't wrestle.

01:14:01.000 I couldn't, you know, I couldn't run.

01:14:03.000 I couldn't go play basketball in the back.

01:14:05.000 But everybody else, it was...

01:14:07.000 The only thing I can focus on now is school.

01:14:09.000 At the time when I came back, my GPA dropped like 2 point something because I hadn't been in class for so long.

01:14:14.000 So I had to get all that up before the end of the year and finish with a 3.0 at least.

01:14:19.000 And I finished with a 3.25.

01:14:20.000 That was my, to make academic All-American was my, that was my highlight of my freshman year.

01:14:25.000 I didn't get to wrestling All-American, but I had to academic All-American.

01:14:29.000 That's something I can work on because as a kid, my parents, my mom in 8th grade bet me $100 I wouldn't graduate.

01:14:37.000 My own mother, and she's my mom, my biggest motivation ever.

01:14:40.000 Before my son came here, my mother was the hand that pushed me over everything.

01:14:44.000 She's always, my dad comes with the work ethic.

01:14:47.000 My mom is always, make sure you do things right.

01:14:49.000 You can do this, this, and this.

01:14:50.000 I always help me.

01:14:51.000 I struggle with reading.

01:14:52.000 She's helped me learn how to read faster, read better, and do things to the best of my ability in the academic world.

01:14:58.000 Because sports and hard work is going to be there, but education is something you can always fall back on.

01:15:04.000 So, but I was just so bad.

01:15:05.000 I used to, and I lived next door to the middle school, so I was bad.

01:15:08.000 The eighth grade year, they opened a new high, or middle school, up the street from my house, so I would mess up from school and don't do homework.

01:15:13.000 I don't know why, I think I would get away with it.

01:15:15.000 I'm getting out of class, my mom's sitting in the principal's office.

01:15:17.000 They were done for a walk for her.

01:15:18.000 They called, like, Cory didn't do his homework again, because she was on it.

01:15:21.000 She would call, like, if Cory messed up in school, call me.

01:15:24.000 She had me in summer camp.

01:15:25.000 I had to go to summer school one year when I passed all my classes because she wanted me to get that fact.

01:15:30.000 Like, just because you passed, they let you pass, don't mean you did good.

01:15:34.000 You passed, but you're going to learn how to work.

01:15:37.000 But that was another thing.

01:15:38.000 I didn't have the mentality that my mom wanted me to have when it comes to... 0.96

01:15:41.000 Working for academics and stuff.

01:15:43.000 So what made you do that?

01:15:44.000 What was the shift that caused that from the injury?

01:15:47.000 Like I said, I had nothing else to focus on.

01:15:49.000 It was either that or become a bum at the school, sit in my room, skip in class, and fell out.

01:15:53.000 So I had to get my grades up if I wanted to wrestle next year.

01:15:56.000 So it had probably been something that was bothering you already?

01:15:59.000 It didn't bother me.

01:16:00.000 I didn't care about my grades because as long as I was doing athletics, it's kind of like the movies.

01:16:06.000 If you're competing...

01:16:07.000 And they know you're good.

01:16:08.000 You're an asset to the team.

01:16:10.000 The teachers help you.

01:16:11.000 They don't give you, but they'll help you out.

01:16:13.000 You got questions.

01:16:14.000 Ask questions.

01:16:15.000 They won't fail you.

01:16:16.000 Right.

01:16:16.000 You know, if they can do everything they can to make sure I learn.

01:16:19.000 So were you realizing because of the injury that maybe your athletic career wouldn't be there and you needed to get this education?

01:16:26.000 Because now I didn't have the help I had in class.

01:16:28.000 When I was an athlete, they helped you a little bit more.

01:16:30.000 But now I'm not wrestling.

01:16:31.000 It's kind of like...

01:16:33.000 My GPA doesn't matter for the team anymore.

01:16:35.000 And I had been missing from school for so long when I came back.

01:16:37.000 It's kind of like now I got a lot to make up for.

01:16:39.000 I just got to do it on my own.

01:16:40.000 I was studying.

01:16:41.000 That's all I had.

01:16:42.000 Class in my dorm room.

01:16:43.000 Class in my dorm room.

01:16:44.000 So from that point on, from that injury, then you get your academic work in order and you start being disciplined in all areas of your life.

01:16:53.000 And you feel like that carried over to your athletics as well?

01:16:56.000 Everything works together.

01:16:57.000 Yeah.

01:16:57.000 Everything works for one thing.

01:16:59.000 Yeah.

01:16:59.000 Talk about that.

01:17:00.000 Okay.

01:17:01.000 First thing we learn at orientation, the College coach comes as we go in the room like, guys, we got your athletic scholarship, but you're here as a student-athlete.

01:17:08.000 And I remember going back and coaching at the same college and him giving the same speech, and he write it on the board, student-athlete.

01:17:14.000 We're going to make it in two parts.

01:17:14.000 First part, student.

01:17:16.000 Second part, athlete.

01:17:17.000 So we're going to write it on the board.

01:17:18.000 What does this mean?

01:17:19.000 So first priority, school.

01:17:22.000 After that, next priority, athletics to me.

01:17:25.000 After that, you got your family.

01:17:28.000 Then, it's making sure you stand out of trouble and that the last thing, the very most important thing to come to college is just social life.

01:17:34.000 The rest of that, everything else comes first.

01:17:36.000 And at the end, then you worry about your friends and trying to be cool and all that extra stuff.

01:17:41.000 You know, I'm 17 when I went to college.

01:17:42.000 I graduated high school at 17, so I'm young.

01:17:45.000 I'm not even an adult, but in my mind, I'm on my own.

01:17:47.000 I'm doing what I want, blah, blah, blah.

01:17:49.000 I'm showing out. 0.99

01:17:49.000 I'm being an ass, you know? 0.99

01:17:51.000 Right. 0.99

01:17:51.000 Not getting in trouble, but not paying attention to school. 0.99

01:17:54.000 I'm not worried about the student part.

01:17:56.000 I'm just an athlete.

01:17:57.000 They're not going to fail.

01:17:58.000 I ask questions, act like I'm struggling, and they're trying to help me out.

01:18:01.000 But I know they're not going to give me an F because I'm trying, but I really wasn't.

01:18:05.000 I'm asking questions.

01:18:06.000 I'm sitting in front of class.

01:18:07.000 So they're not going to give me an F, but they're going to make sure I'm eligible to wrestle, but I'm not going to fail.

01:18:12.000 Right.

01:18:13.000 So when you get injured, you realize that ain't there no more.

01:18:16.000 Because you ain't got nothing to wrestle for.

01:18:18.000 You all school now.

01:18:19.000 So now you can't say, I got practice, so I can't study.

01:18:23.000 Was that a big eye-opener for you when you realized that you can do good at school too?

01:18:26.000 Yes, 100%.

01:18:27.000 Because in your whole life, when you didn't try, you didn't care.

01:18:31.000 And they had that no child left behind pretty much.

01:18:33.000 Before they made it an official thing, it was always there.

01:18:35.000 Because I know I didn't do enough in school, but somehow I graduated every year.

01:18:39.000 Somehow I graduated because there's always one teacher.

01:18:42.000 One person, I looked out for me.

01:18:43.000 Like I said, I've been blessed to have that.

01:18:45.000 And middle school, Ms. Vermette, to this day, we still talk.

01:18:48.000 I go home, we have lunch, breakfast, whatever.

01:18:50.000 Really?

01:18:50.000 Yes.

01:18:51.000 If it wasn't for her, I probably would have dropped out of high school.

01:18:53.000 That's cool.

01:18:54.000 Yeah, that's very cool.

01:18:55.000 So in college, now your athletic career is in order.

01:18:59.000 You're getting your schoolwork in.

01:19:02.000 What was it that made you even consider being an MMA fighter?

01:19:08.000 Ben Asker.

01:19:09.000 Funky Ben.

01:19:10.000 Funky Ben.

01:19:11.000 And I didn't even consider it.

01:19:12.000 He tricked me.

01:19:14.000 How do you trick you?

01:19:15.000 I mean, all through college, I had teammates that did MMA. They all wrestled.

01:19:18.000 But when it was over, they all were amateur MMA fights.

01:19:20.000 Of course, you should try it.

01:19:21.000 Like, your movement and stuff, you're so light on your feet and fast as your weight, you can kill it.

01:19:25.000 But I got a metal plate in my leg, bro.

01:19:27.000 I had a toe on my shoulder.

01:19:28.000 I got so many injuries, I wouldn't be good.

01:19:29.000 I'd be laid up too much.

01:19:31.000 Like, I didn't like what you think, this, this, and this.

01:19:34.000 Denied it, denied it, denied it.

01:19:35.000 My senior year, fifth year, senior year.

01:19:38.000 Ben comes up.

01:19:38.000 He started working with me.

01:19:39.000 And Ben was one of my main wrestling partners.

01:19:41.000 Kind of like you say with Lemon Chaco.

01:19:42.000 You got somebody.

01:19:43.000 You go to punch.

01:19:44.000 He's not there.

01:19:45.000 Ben's the same way in wrestling.

01:19:46.000 And I used to try to pick his brain.

01:19:47.000 How do you do this? 0.99

01:19:48.000 I'd be dead to right on a double leg.

01:19:50.000 Pick you up in the air. 0.99

01:19:51.000 I go to take you down.

01:19:52.000 I land on my face.

01:19:53.000 And you know where to be found.

01:19:54.000 You on my back.

01:19:55.000 How does that happen?

01:19:56.000 That's why they called me the funk, man.

01:19:57.000 I'm the king of the funk.

01:19:58.000 The same here.

01:19:59.000 Come in practice with his sandals.

01:20:00.000 Kick it off.

01:20:01.000 Put his shoes on.

01:20:02.000 He just looked like a floppy guy.

01:20:05.000 That's the crazy thing about him.

01:20:06.000 He doesn't look physically imposing at all.

01:20:07.000 My first time going like, this has been like, no, I'm about to blow through this dude.

01:20:11.000 Hit him with a double A, gone.

01:20:12.000 Every time. 0.99

01:20:13.000 High crotch, gone. 0.91

01:20:14.000 I took him down, I think, one time in my college career. 0.90

01:20:16.000 Clean takedown.

01:20:18.000 And then it's just like, what the?

01:20:20.000 And after college, I was like, I want to do the Olympics, bro.

01:20:23.000 And you've been there, but I don't know any freestyle rules.

01:20:25.000 Oh, we can work together, whatever.

01:20:26.000 Him and my coach both wrestled at the Olympic level.

01:20:29.000 Working together.

01:20:30.000 And then one day he sent me an address like, oh, I'm not making it here today, but meet me here at this address and we'll work, blah, blah, blah, bring your gear.

01:20:36.000 I get up there and it's Rufus Sport, but it's outside of a bank.

01:20:40.000 It's still like, it's only for bank downstairs. 0.98

01:20:42.000 So I'm looking like, where the fuck is, where am I going? 0.96

01:20:44.000 And I text him like, oh, go to the side, it's downstairs. 0.98

01:20:46.000 You're going to see a sign, Rufus Sport, this and this.

01:20:48.000 And I walk down the stairs like, what is, he must have mats in here or something.

01:20:52.000 I go in there, and you got UFC there doing Anthony Pettis doing a jump-off kick, making some photo for the magazine or whatever.

01:20:59.000 And you got, like, Pascal Cruess and Sergio Pettis.

01:21:03.000 You got Ben Asher.

01:21:04.000 It was a few other...

01:21:05.000 Eric Koch, other UFC guys.

01:21:07.000 And I'm looking like, what is going on?

01:21:08.000 All these guys hitting pads.

01:21:09.000 They got MMA practice.

01:21:10.000 And Ben ran out to the kid.

01:21:11.000 Oh, hey, cool.

01:21:12.000 I'm glad you can make this, this, and this.

01:21:13.000 This ain't no wrestling gym.

01:21:15.000 What is this?

01:21:15.000 He's like, oh, yeah, well...

01:21:17.000 I want to talk to you about that.

01:21:19.000 Welcome to a new sport.

01:21:21.000 What?

01:21:22.000 It's like, I mean, I know I heard you say you didn't want to fight, whatever, but bro, I think you could be good.

01:21:27.000 I just want you to try.

01:21:28.000 If you don't like it, have to try it.

01:21:30.000 We'll go back to wrestling.

01:21:31.000 Blah, blah, blah, this and this.

01:21:32.000 I'm like, alright.

01:21:34.000 And I go to the front desk and the lady I meet at the front desk to introduce me was my wife now. 0.99

01:21:39.000 Didn't know that.

01:21:39.000 That's crazy.

01:21:40.000 So I get the gear, they give me some gloves and whatever.

01:21:44.000 And I was like, you know, I really don't want to do, like, the training.

01:21:47.000 I just sit on the side and watch.

01:21:48.000 I hit the bag a little bit.

01:21:48.000 I'm just watching.

01:21:50.000 And at the time, this is where my mind's already set.

01:21:52.000 You got an opportunity.

01:21:53.000 You got to try it.

01:21:54.000 But I didn't try it that day.

01:21:55.000 I remember driving home.

01:21:56.000 It's an hour and a half drive.

01:21:57.000 Whole drive. 1.00

01:21:58.000 I met myself like, you a bitch. 1.00

01:21:59.000 Talking to myself like, you a bitch, Corey. 1.00

01:22:01.000 You didn't do that. 1.00

01:22:01.000 You had an opportunity. 1.00

01:22:02.000 You ain't even take it. 1.00

01:22:03.000 You a bitch. 1.00

01:22:03.000 I can't believe you didn't do that. 1.00

01:22:04.000 So I get home.

01:22:05.000 I tell Ben, like, I'm sorry I didn't try it, but I'd like to do it again.

01:22:07.000 Like, well, it's good because tomorrow morning, 9 a.m.

01:22:10.000 we up there.

01:22:11.000 Alright, get up early, 7.35, motorcycle up, shoot all the way up to Milwaukee.

01:22:15.000 I get there, Duke Roof is open.

01:22:17.000 Oh, Cory, nice to meet you.

01:22:18.000 I heard about you.

01:22:19.000 This is this.

01:22:20.000 I came yesterday, but I didn't do it, but I want to try it today.

01:22:22.000 I just watched.

01:22:23.000 I go, that's good.

01:22:23.000 I'm glad you came.

01:22:24.000 Why was that?

01:22:25.000 It's the next sparring day.

01:22:28.000 Spar with no spar at all ever before.

01:22:31.000 I did amateur boxing when I broke my leg.

01:22:33.000 I did boxing at a gym for rehab because my brother-in-law was a professional boxer at the time.

01:22:38.000 And I had two amateur fights.

01:22:41.000 So I had that.

01:22:42.000 And I came with my gloves and everything, but old ratty title gloves falling apart.

01:22:47.000 Like, all I got is my gloves and my shorts.

01:22:48.000 Like, don't worry.

01:22:49.000 We got gear.

01:22:49.000 We get you stuff.

01:22:50.000 Headgear and shin pads, this and this.

01:22:52.000 They gave me two opposite combat corners shin pads.

01:22:54.000 One was like a youth and one was like an extra loss.

01:22:56.000 So one comes to my knee and one covers like half my shin.

01:22:59.000 Like, this old raggedy headgear.

01:23:01.000 Like, you got a mouthpiece?

01:23:02.000 Like, yeah.

01:23:02.000 Like, that's all you need.

01:23:03.000 So we're going to spar.

01:23:04.000 So my first time I go with Ben.

01:23:05.000 So Ben, you know, taking it easy on me. 0.83

01:23:07.000 Boom, boom, I punch him. 1.00

01:23:08.000 He shoot on me. 0.99

01:23:09.000 I defended in MMA. It's different.

01:23:11.000 I can sprawl a lot harder.

01:23:12.000 All right, well, there you go.

01:23:14.000 Now we're going to put you with somebody else.

01:23:15.000 Of course, it's Anthony Pettis.

01:23:17.000 He's too small. 0.94

01:23:18.000 I was like, well, you need to feel like to get kicked. 0.97

01:23:20.000 What? 0.98

01:23:21.000 Pow! 0.91

01:23:21.000 Ah! 0.91

01:23:22.000 What the?

01:23:24.000 He just kept kicking my leg.

01:23:25.000 He's like, what do you do?

01:23:26.000 I'm a wrestler.

01:23:27.000 I said, take him down.

01:23:28.000 I took him down.

01:23:28.000 I said, all right, you're too big for Anthony.

01:23:29.000 You're going to hurt him.

01:23:30.000 Then he put me with a heavyweight.

01:23:31.000 He said, no, I want you to take everything you did.

01:23:32.000 You was punching Ben, and you took him down.

01:23:35.000 I took down Anthony.

01:23:35.000 I'm going to do everything with this guy, your size.

01:23:37.000 I fucking just hit him with a bunch of jab, crosses, blast double, on a punch. 0.99

01:23:41.000 It's like, there ain't no grind, but I just hit him like Donkey Kong. 1.00

01:23:44.000 And stand up and do it again.

01:23:45.000 I did it again.

01:23:46.000 I kept doing it, doing it, doing it.

01:23:47.000 And when I was over, he was like, alright, there you go.

01:23:49.000 Your first sparring session out of the way.

01:23:51.000 And I hate to tell it quite.

01:23:51.000 I heard you kept saying you're not a fighter, but you are an MMA fighter.

01:23:54.000 And I can tell you right now, I've been working with a lot of guys.

01:23:57.000 You could be in the UFC in three fights.

01:23:59.000 Yeah, right.

01:24:00.000 Whatever.

01:24:01.000 I'm dead serious.

01:24:02.000 In three fights, so what you got and your mentality from what I've seen in wrestling, if you put it into this, you could be in the UFC in three fights.

01:24:09.000 Whatever.

01:24:10.000 But I like that.

01:24:11.000 I like the training, and I kept coming back, and I never wrestled again.

01:24:14.000 So what year is this?

01:24:14.000 This was 2012, right after college.

01:24:16.000 That's not that long ago, man.

01:24:18.000 Oh, my first fight.

01:24:19.000 I didn't debut until 2013. You're a top-level MMA fighter in one of the most talent-rich divisions, in the light heavyweight division, and you've only been doing it for seven years.

01:24:28.000 I was in the UFC with seven months fighting.

01:24:30.000 After my first fight, seven months.

01:24:32.000 That's crazy.

01:24:32.000 And I was in the top ten within a year.

01:24:34.000 That's the thing.

01:24:35.000 So I'm learning.

01:24:36.000 I didn't have an amateur career.

01:24:37.000 I had three fights, the ultimate fighter.

01:24:40.000 Top 10 inside a year of all MMA training.

01:24:43.000 That's it.

01:24:44.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

01:24:44.000 That's why people keep talking their shit about it. 0.99

01:24:46.000 They don't understand. 0.99

01:24:47.000 I ain't did this like most of these guys.

01:24:48.000 I look at pictures of guys I've been training with.

01:24:50.000 I got guys at the gym now that's still amateurs.

01:24:53.000 They post a throwback Thursday.

01:24:54.000 My senior year in college, I have a throwback picture.

01:24:57.000 It'd be me in college in 2007. It'd be them in their third or fourth MMA fight.

01:25:01.000 And these guys are still amateur.

01:25:02.000 How old are you now?

01:25:03.000 I'm 29. Dude, you're still not even really in your prime.

01:25:06.000 Your prime is like 31, 32. I'm learning now.

01:25:10.000 You are learning now.

01:25:11.000 But it's crazy that you were in a top 10 a year into MMA training.

01:25:15.000 Because we always cite Francis Ngannou.

01:25:17.000 Francis Ngannou is one of the craziest stories ever.

01:25:19.000 The guy goes from no MMA training at all to five years later fighting for the title.

01:25:26.000 But what you did is as impressive as...

01:25:30.000 The fact that you hit top 10 with a year of MMA training, that's bananas, man.

01:25:34.000 Even in the tough house, I remember the guys, like, you can hear them in the kitchen.

01:25:37.000 We were all talking about, oh, what's your background?

01:25:38.000 This, this, and this.

01:25:39.000 I went on tough with four or five months experience.

01:25:42.000 Had my three fights back to back to back.

01:25:43.000 And I remember my coaches pushing it, that third fight.

01:25:46.000 We got to get this third fight.

01:25:46.000 Why are you pushing it so hard?

01:25:48.000 And then when it was over, I was like, alright, this is why we had to get that last fight.

01:25:51.000 Ultimate Fighter Trials is next Tuesday in Indiana. 1.00

01:25:54.000 You're going, fuck out of here. 1.00

01:25:55.000 I got to work. 1.00

01:25:56.000 I ain't going nowhere.

01:25:58.000 And they called me Monday night like, yo, what are you doing?

01:26:00.000 I'm at work.

01:26:00.000 I work night shift.

01:26:01.000 I don't get off until 1. And when you get off, meet me at my house like, what?

01:26:05.000 We're going to Indiana.

01:26:06.000 I'm not...

01:26:07.000 I'm going to get to USC. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to go the hard way.

01:26:10.000 Alright, I'll see you at my house.

01:26:11.000 I hung up the phone.

01:26:12.000 I get off.

01:26:12.000 I go to the house.

01:26:13.000 I was like, bro, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:26:14.000 He jumped in the driveway. 0.99

01:26:15.000 He's like, get in.

01:26:15.000 What are you talking about?

01:26:16.000 So you were saying if you get in, you want to go the hard way.

01:26:19.000 It's like getting earned from picking up fights.

01:26:21.000 Not doing the ultimate fight.

01:26:22.000 Yeah, I wanted to get enough fights and somebody see me and be like, ah, here's your take-a-short-notice fight or whatever.

01:26:26.000 Yeah, but that was a fantastic opportunity for exposure.

01:26:30.000 Exactly.

01:26:30.000 But in my mind, I had just started three or four months.

01:26:34.000 I'm thinking like I'm just beating up cans.

01:26:36.000 I don't think I'm ready yet.

01:26:37.000 But they say like, Corey, we see you, man.

01:26:39.000 You have the opportunity to beat these guys.

01:26:41.000 You beating this guy, he's been training forever.

01:26:43.000 He's been pro, he's been bellator.

01:26:45.000 Dustin Jacoby was my first sparring partner when I went to Illinois.

01:26:47.000 He had been in UFC Bellator.

01:26:49.000 He's doing great in glory now.

01:26:50.000 Yeah.

01:26:51.000 And that was one of my first...

01:26:52.000 He's a beast. 0.63

01:26:52.000 And I was taking him down and ground and pound, but striking. 0.63

01:26:54.000 I didn't have that.

01:26:55.000 But all you gotta do is use your takedowns, man.

01:26:57.000 You're taking everybody down.

01:26:58.000 You're doing good.

01:26:59.000 Use that.

01:27:00.000 And I left.

01:27:01.000 When I went there, whatever, my coach was like, just go do what you do.

01:27:04.000 I have no doubt they're going to pick you.

01:27:06.000 But the reason they picked me wasn't the same.

01:27:08.000 You know, they picked me thinking it was going to be an easy fight for whoever.

01:27:11.000 But it backfired on me because my work ethic, they didn't know me.

01:27:15.000 Right.

01:27:15.000 You know, I was cracking jokes.

01:27:16.000 Like, I can beat anybody you have in here.

01:27:17.000 They was laughing.

01:27:18.000 I'm thinking they're laughing at my jokes.

01:27:20.000 Come to find out, they tell me at the end, one guy told me, like, you know, when we picked you, we didn't think you could win.

01:27:24.000 Like, after the seminar, we picked you because we thought you was going to lose to Kelly and us and give him an easy fight in.

01:27:28.000 And now, look, it kind of backfired.

01:27:30.000 Right.

01:27:31.000 It was like, because they didn't know who I was.

01:27:33.000 They didn't know me as a person.

01:27:34.000 And I name dropped Matt Hughes, and I think that was the only reason why I got there.

01:27:37.000 Like, I trained with Matt Hughes here and there, blah, blah, blah.

01:27:39.000 You know Matty?

01:27:39.000 Oh, Matty's our guy.

01:27:40.000 Oh, can you make it to Vegas next week?

01:27:42.000 I'm like, I can make it yesterday if you would have told me.

01:27:44.000 I'm like, well, pack your bags.

01:27:45.000 You're going.

01:27:46.000 Wow.

01:27:46.000 And that was it.

01:27:47.000 But the thing is, even though you were a year in, you were so many years into wrestling.

01:27:52.000 And I think to this day that wrestling is the most important skill in MMA because you get to dictate where the fight takes place.

01:27:57.000 The superior wrestler gets to decide.

01:28:00.000 Every fight starts standing up and you have to know how to strike.

01:28:02.000 But a superior wrestler gets to dictate where the fights take place.

01:28:05.000 And you see that with guys like Khabib.

01:28:07.000 You see that with so many superior grapplers.

01:28:10.000 When they get a hold of a guy, their dominance is one of the most important aspects of fighting.

01:28:16.000 So you did have all that.

01:28:18.000 I had the basic striking in wrestling.

01:28:22.000 Like I said, when I came to meet Mark Henry and Ricardo Almeida, that's what took me into a martial arts.

01:28:28.000 So that's only two years into your training.

01:28:29.000 That wasn't even two years.

01:28:30.000 That was a year and three months.

01:28:33.000 I guess that's why I didn't have it.

01:28:35.000 And Mark tells people all the time, you hear him say it, I hear him tell other people all the time, you guys want to see hard work and what happened?

01:28:41.000 Corey.

01:28:41.000 Corey is a pure fighter of what I'm coaching because he came here with nothing.

01:28:46.000 You get guys that come to him like Lance Palmer now.

01:28:48.000 He's been fighting so long.

01:28:49.000 He's won the PFL. All these guys have been fighting 10, 12 years before they meet Mark.

01:28:54.000 So it's kind of like they're just tuning up.

01:28:56.000 When you've got a guy like me that has nothing.

01:28:58.000 The gym I was at, we literally...

01:28:59.000 I was at Rufus Sport for a little bit, but I got the college coaching job and had to leave.

01:29:03.000 So I met a group of guys through Mark Fiore at the time, but he ended up leaving to go overseas.

01:29:07.000 And it was probably six of us, and we had a guy who owned a warehouse.

01:29:12.000 Like, oh, you can put mats in here and just...

01:29:13.000 In the corner, you guys can just train.

01:29:14.000 We didn't have jiu-jitsu practice.

01:29:16.000 We never had striking practice.

01:29:17.000 No tie practice.

01:29:18.000 We literally showed up.

01:29:20.000 Ground and pound.

01:29:20.000 MMA gloves.

01:29:21.000 We punched each other in the face.

01:29:22.000 We learned how to get out. 1.00

01:29:24.000 Sparring, no bitch ass in sparring. 1.00

01:29:26.000 I mean, you got injuries, we don't want to hear it. 1.00

01:29:27.000 Just beat the shit out of each other until it's over. 0.99

01:29:29.000 It was horrible. 0.99

01:29:32.000 Winter time, no heat.

01:29:33.000 We had a little kerosene about this big on the corner of the mat, and we in Illinois.

01:29:38.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:29:39.000 Like, down in mid-central Illinois, it's freezing. 0.99

01:29:41.000 Negative 20, we in there fucking dudes breaking, hit the back, freezing, break the hand. 0.98

01:29:46.000 We don't have any insurance. 0.99

01:29:48.000 It's us beating the shit out of each other. 0.95

01:29:50.000 But we got the opportunity for one of us.

01:29:52.000 It was three 205ers, but I was the only one that they was going to let go to the Ultimate Fighter.

01:29:56.000 I had the least amount of fights, but you're the only one that can actually work and make us look good on there.

01:30:01.000 So you get on the Ultimate Fighter, you meet Mark Henry, you wind up winning.

01:30:05.000 And then you go from there, you go and move to New Jersey?

01:30:09.000 Is that what you do?

01:30:09.000 I went home.

01:30:10.000 I met Ali on the show.

01:30:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:12.000 Ali was there every day.

01:30:13.000 He even said, like, bro, you're wrestling this.

01:30:15.000 I like how you're good at wrestling.

01:30:16.000 Henzo came on.

01:30:17.000 He said, like, you're wrestling is key.

01:30:18.000 That's when everybody let me know.

01:30:19.000 Mark, first thing he said, you're wrestling.

01:30:21.000 They made it known, like, wrestling is going to run this.

01:30:24.000 And even Ali said right then, he was like, I'll work with you.

01:30:26.000 And you don't even have to sign me as a manager, but I'll help you.

01:30:28.000 Like, I'll help lead you in the right way with what you need.

01:30:30.000 Because I didn't have anybody to direct me.

01:30:31.000 I knew nothing.

01:30:32.000 Ben Ashkin was the only thing I had, but he was in Wisconsin.

01:30:34.000 You know, I'm out here on my own.

01:30:36.000 And Ali, I remember saying, like, if you want to win this show and to be the best you can, brother, you need to go to Jersey.

01:30:41.000 And Mark and I already texted him, like, you're more than welcome to come out and train whenever you want.

01:30:45.000 By the time I had a girl who had a kid and my family, coaching was my dream job.

01:30:49.000 Still my dream job.

01:30:50.000 I love that.

01:30:51.000 I didn't want to leave that for anything.

01:30:54.000 What were you coaching?

01:30:55.000 You were coaching wrestling?

01:30:56.000 At the junior college level.

01:30:59.000 I only made $220 a week, but I worked other jobs to make my dream a reality because that's what I wanted to do and fight.

01:31:06.000 I was like, if you want to be the best, you want to win this show, the best opportunity you got, man, you need to go to Jersey.

01:31:11.000 Like, I know you got guys there, but even my guys told me after the show, you need to leave because we can't do anything for you.

01:31:16.000 But I didn't want to.

01:31:17.000 I was so grounded today, I didn't want to leave that.

01:31:19.000 That's what I knew.

01:31:21.000 And when Ali said, bro, you got to go.

01:31:23.000 I can never live in Jersey.

01:31:24.000 It's too fast-paced.

01:31:25.000 I'm a country, bro.

01:31:25.000 I like outdoors and this, hunting and stuff like that.

01:31:28.000 Like, you need to get to Jersey, brother, if you want to be the best.

01:31:31.000 If you don't want to be the best, stay where you are.

01:31:32.000 I remember telling my mom, like, I said I need to go to Jersey.

01:31:35.000 My mom said when I was in high school, my senior year, she said, if you get the opportunity ever to leave, I want you to go far away.

01:31:42.000 Did you think about going anywhere else, like going to Rufusport permanently?

01:31:45.000 That was a thought.

01:31:46.000 That was a thought, but they didn't have the rest of Ben, but that was about it.

01:31:49.000 You know, I'm a wrestling base, and I fell in love with the way Frankie and them trained.

01:31:52.000 I loved that.

01:31:53.000 I was looking for something like that.

01:31:55.000 Mark Fiore had that, but when he left, had nowhere else to go.

01:31:58.000 And I was thinking, and my mom said, if that's what the best is, you need to go be the best.

01:32:02.000 You know, my brother's like, yo, let's go.

01:32:04.000 Mark Henry's such a unique guy that when people start training with him and realizing what he is and then comparing him to other people, it makes them think like, wow, this guy's got something very unique.

01:32:18.000 Like his...

01:32:18.000 All the way you're talking about his systems and all the stuff that he writes and the notes and like Brendan Schaub was telling me that he trained with him for one fight and he said when he went down there he said like it was like like an eye-opening experience.

01:32:30.000 Like he didn't know that a coach could be that good.

01:32:33.000 Yeah.

01:32:33.000 And you know the crazy part?

01:32:34.000 The reason why Mark isn't known the most because you got like Freddie Roach, you got Duke Rufus, all these big name guys.

01:32:41.000 What's that?

01:32:41.000 The guy at Hard Knocks 365 with Kimura Usman.

01:32:45.000 What's his coach's name?

01:32:47.000 Uh...

01:32:48.000 Henry Hooft?

01:32:49.000 Henry Hooft, there you go.

01:32:50.000 All these guys, but that's all they do throughout the day.

01:32:53.000 So you see them because they work with so many fighters, and it's like, that's all they do is coach MMA. You know Mark is a pizza man.

01:33:01.000 When I first got there, they said that I didn't know he had owned a pizzeria.

01:33:04.000 He used to say, after spawning, I got time to go make the dough.

01:33:07.000 I thought he meant to just go to his job and make money.

01:33:09.000 He said, oh, I owned a pizzeria.

01:33:11.000 And that's his passion.

01:33:13.000 Like when it's practice over, we just start at 9.30 because I need to be at my shop by 11. And I got to work with this guy at 4.30 or 5. So he just mitts twice a day.

01:33:23.000 You got 7 o'clock in the morning or 4 o'clock in the afternoon.

01:33:26.000 But through the day, he's at the pizzeria.

01:33:28.000 That's his baby.

01:33:29.000 His father-in-law gave that to him.

01:33:31.000 He's passionate about it.

01:33:32.000 He loves it.

01:33:33.000 His whole family is in it.

01:33:34.000 You go there and you'll see the family bond.

01:33:36.000 He treats all his employers like family.

01:33:37.000 That's his dream.

01:33:39.000 You got to respect that.

01:33:40.000 Because he doesn't miss work because of this.

01:33:43.000 Even with my fights, whatever.

01:33:44.000 He'd come out Thursday.

01:33:45.000 Like, I got to be at the pizzeria all week.

01:33:46.000 But I'd be there Thursday night or Friday morning.

01:33:48.000 Sometimes he'd show up Saturday fight day.

01:33:49.000 I got a catering job.

01:33:51.000 I can't make it, bro.

01:33:52.000 But I'm going to video chat you and tell you what we need to work on.

01:33:55.000 Videotape this workout with such and such.

01:33:56.000 And I'll tell you what we need to tighten up.

01:33:58.000 And I'll be there Saturday morning or Friday night.

01:33:59.000 And we'll work as much as we can before the fight.

01:34:01.000 That's like a character in a movie.

01:34:03.000 Exactly.

01:34:03.000 And the fact that he's that passionate about that...

01:34:05.000 In the MMA, and I remember driving with him to one of our amateur guys' fights.

01:34:09.000 He's driving, watching the film.

01:34:11.000 I'm like, Coach, are you watching the road or are you watching the film?

01:34:13.000 I'm like, I've got to watch this girl's fight because we had Kaitlyn Shukagin, one of her first pro fights. 0.90

01:34:17.000 He's watching fights while he's driving.

01:34:18.000 Watching fights while driving.

01:34:19.000 He gave me a piece of paper and a pen.

01:34:21.000 And he's like, take this down.

01:34:23.000 Like, what?

01:34:24.000 He's like, I need you to write this down for me.

01:34:25.000 This is what I need.

01:34:26.000 So he's driving, watching film, and he starts calling out stuff, and I'm writing it down.

01:34:29.000 He's like, alright, that's the stuff I need to remember for a fight.

01:34:31.000 But he doesn't have the time most guys have to sit and do that through the day.

01:34:35.000 He picked me up from the pizzeria, changed, and we hit the road.

01:34:39.000 So he's like breaking film, and you see somebody so passionate that can do the things he does, and he got so many fighters.

01:34:46.000 Like you said, with the Colts, we got the Russians, we got the Brazilians, and you got us.

01:34:50.000 And everybody, the Russians, their stuff is in Russian.

01:34:53.000 That means this guy's taking time to learn Russian.

01:34:55.000 You go in the basement, he has, like, translation codes.

01:34:57.000 What?

01:34:58.000 Yes, that he understands Russian now.

01:35:00.000 So they write down what this means.

01:35:01.000 He learned Russian?

01:35:02.000 He learns Russian just to help these guys with stuff.

01:35:04.000 Jesus Christ.

01:35:05.000 You hear him, like, hear me sparring.

01:35:06.000 He's like, how that show? 0.57

01:35:06.000 What the hell? 0.57

01:35:08.000 What's that? 0.94

01:35:09.000 He's like, oh, that means pretty good. 0.64

01:35:10.000 Like, what the hell? 0.78

01:35:10.000 What are you saying? 0.78

01:35:11.000 The Brazilians.

01:35:13.000 How's he learning that?

01:35:13.000 Was he using Rosetta Stone or something?

01:35:15.000 Like I said, they write it down, what this means, basic stuff, and they write down how you say it in Russian.

01:35:21.000 Oh, wow.

01:35:22.000 Mark is a mad scientist.

01:35:25.000 He's got so many things going on, he can't remember the direction he's going in.

01:35:29.000 He'll be driving, he's like, which way am I going?

01:35:32.000 Like, what?

01:35:33.000 But when it comes to codes, he knows all 10 to 12 fighters, and everybody has a different language and different names.

01:35:40.000 It's named after our family or your dog or something happened when you were a kid.

01:35:43.000 Everything revolves around something that happened.

01:35:47.000 Every fighter has different codes.

01:35:50.000 And he knows everybody.

01:35:51.000 We line up for rounds at Nicotones in his cage.

01:35:55.000 He's in the cage with Frankie.

01:35:56.000 Alright, Marlon come in.

01:35:57.000 Now it's all Portuguese. 0.96

01:35:59.000 Then Caitlyn come in.

01:36:00.000 Then it's all stuff related to her.

01:36:01.000 Then I come in.

01:36:03.000 He knows how to speak Portuguese?

01:36:04.000 Yes.

01:36:05.000 He has everything.

01:36:06.000 Codes in Portuguese.

01:36:07.000 Everything.

01:36:07.000 Mark is a wizard.

01:36:09.000 Like I said, when I say he's a mad scientist, you don't know any other coaches that take the time to learn the stuff that he does to make his fighters the best.

01:36:16.000 He ain't worried about...

01:36:17.000 He wants to win and all that, but he wants to make sure we are in sync.

01:36:21.000 We in a cage.

01:36:22.000 We talking.

01:36:23.000 It's a foreign language.

01:36:24.000 That's why the Glover fight, you hear Dan Hardy, one of them say, there's no point in tuning in Corey's Corner because we don't know what they're saying.

01:36:31.000 Everything...

01:36:32.000 And like three fights later, I won't even know what he said because we didn't have been through so many codes.

01:36:36.000 I got to go back and think, what was that again?

01:36:38.000 Do you ever get to a point where he's yelling something out and you don't know what the code is?

01:36:41.000 No.

01:36:42.000 No.

01:36:42.000 Because it's muscle memory.

01:36:43.000 Because when we hit pass, it's never a one-two, a cross.

01:36:47.000 Like what would he say?

01:36:49.000 If it's not one, two, what would it be?

01:36:51.000 If it's something in Portuguese...

01:36:52.000 Like for you?

01:36:54.000 One would be like...

01:36:55.000 I'm trying to think of an old one.

01:36:57.000 That's what I'm trying to think.

01:36:59.000 Sink.

01:37:00.000 Sink?

01:37:01.000 I can't remember what language it was, but I think that was a hook or whatever.

01:37:05.000 A sink?

01:37:06.000 Not a sink, but that was how you say it in their language.

01:37:09.000 Oh, but what about for you?

01:37:12.000 So he would give you codes in different languages?

01:37:15.000 If I didn't went through everything in English...

01:37:17.000 Now we've got to switch it up.

01:37:18.000 We're working on Russian now.

01:37:20.000 That was the last time I was working on Russian stuff.

01:37:22.000 So it's kind of like...

01:37:22.000 He was giving you Russian codes?

01:37:24.000 I was like, I'm learning too.

01:37:25.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:37:26.000 Like I said, I know that means very good now.

01:37:28.000 It's certain things you say to them and you figure it out.

01:37:30.000 That's so crazy.

01:37:31.000 So what is his logic behind that?

01:37:33.000 He doesn't want anybody learning the codes?

01:37:35.000 Just keep you on your toes.

01:37:36.000 Keep you on your toes.

01:37:38.000 You're never getting comfortable with one thing.

01:37:40.000 You get into a...

01:37:41.000 A habit.

01:37:42.000 One habit.

01:37:43.000 You kind of get comfortable.

01:37:44.000 Like, ah, I know the eyes closed.

01:37:45.000 You always got to learn something new.

01:37:47.000 It keeps you hungry.

01:37:48.000 Like, my friend, he used to make me come over.

01:37:50.000 I used to do mitts on Friday night.

01:37:52.000 And then we would go to the movies.

01:37:53.000 But we'd do mitts from 4 to 5.30 when I first was learning.

01:37:56.000 And he'd make me sit at the table.

01:37:58.000 He'd shower.

01:37:58.000 I'd shower or whatever.

01:37:59.000 He'd go shower.

01:37:59.000 I had to study my codes.

01:38:01.000 And when he'd come down, he'd be watching TV or whatever.

01:38:02.000 He'd be in the kitchen.

01:38:04.000 And he'd take the paper from me.

01:38:05.000 And he'd say something out.

01:38:06.000 And I had to tell him what it meant.

01:38:07.000 Like, one, two, left kick or whatever.

01:38:10.000 So he would say whatever the code was.

01:38:11.000 And I had to know it.

01:38:12.000 And if I mess it up, he'd bring a notepad back.

01:38:14.000 Like, keep studying.

01:38:15.000 Wow.

01:38:15.000 He'd take you in like that.

01:38:17.000 He took me in like a son.

01:38:19.000 I'm 12 hours from home.

01:38:20.000 He could have dogged me out.

01:38:21.000 I could have just been there.

01:38:22.000 What is this, Jeremy?

01:38:23.000 This is a corner transcript from Eddie's fight.

01:38:26.000 Okay, look at this.

01:38:27.000 It says, yeah, 73 on the knee.

01:38:29.000 73 on the knee.

01:38:31.000 73 on the knee.

01:38:33.000 You're too much in the front.

01:38:35.000 He switches it up down here.

01:38:36.000 Chain.

01:38:38.000 Chain, chain, chain.

01:38:40.000 Hands up, chin down.

01:38:41.000 What could be chain takedowns together?

01:38:43.000 It could be anything.

01:38:44.000 Could be anything.

01:38:45.000 Yeah.

01:38:45.000 No.

01:38:46.000 No, because chain, chain, chain, chin down. 0.90

01:38:48.000 They didn't take that.

01:38:48.000 He told him something for standing.

01:38:50.000 That's a standing code.

01:38:51.000 You never know. 0.98

01:38:52.000 What the fuck is 73? 0.99

01:38:53.000 Keep saying 73. What does that mean? 1.00

01:38:55.000 I couldn't.

01:38:56.000 73. That could be anything for Eddie.

01:38:58.000 Because Eddie don't.

01:38:59.000 Let's see, some people.

01:39:00.000 226. 226, 73. How weird.

01:39:06.000 So he's got numbers for him.

01:39:08.000 I mean, we all got numbers.

01:39:10.000 Yeah.

01:39:10.000 We all have numbers, but if you're doing a code, when it's a combo, he makes it a code.

01:39:15.000 If it's a single thing, he would say, but it's not your normal one, two.

01:39:18.000 Or it might be sync, or if it's, what's another?

01:39:22.000 He gave me Croatian once.

01:39:25.000 Croatian?

01:39:26.000 Yeah.

01:39:26.000 And that took me forever.

01:39:27.000 I don't know this shit. 0.99

01:39:29.000 We're just like rushing. 1.00

01:39:30.000 It's like you're now.

01:39:31.000 But it's like you don't know it, but you learn it.

01:39:33.000 Let me ask you this.

01:39:34.000 So say if you have a fight scheduled now.

01:39:36.000 So someone, the UFC calls you up and they say, hey Corey, we got another one for you.

01:39:39.000 It's in eight weeks with this guy.

01:39:41.000 So that's when you'll start learning the newest codes?

01:39:44.000 No, we work codes right away.

01:39:45.000 Off the last fight, he said, we sit down and we watch the fight and we hear what we call.

01:39:49.000 And we see how we reacted to it.

01:39:50.000 After that fight, then you go to a new code.

01:39:52.000 We worked a new stuff.

01:39:53.000 Like, right away.

01:39:54.000 As soon as you start training again, new code.

01:39:56.000 Already changed it up.

01:39:57.000 So when it's time to get into camp, that's the thing.

01:39:58.000 It's like people that don't stay in the gym after a fight.

01:40:00.000 When they first get into camp, they spend the first half of camp getting in shape.

01:40:03.000 Right.

01:40:04.000 Same thing.

01:40:05.000 So if we don't have the codes, then we have to spend the first four or five weeks just trying to understand each other.

01:40:10.000 I'm not really hitting pads.

01:40:12.000 Kind of messing up.

01:40:12.000 He'll say something, and I'll throw a cross when he made a hook.

01:40:15.000 Or I'll throw a kick.

01:40:15.000 He'll go, what are you doing?

01:40:16.000 That was a jab.

01:40:17.000 Like, I don't know.

01:40:18.000 So we spend that first time just shadowboxing, figuring it out, figuring it out for a few weeks.

01:40:22.000 We watch them film together, and we go back.

01:40:24.000 Like, you see how you did it when you did this one?

01:40:26.000 When it was this language?

01:40:27.000 That's what this is in that language.

01:40:29.000 So it's just like study hall in college.

01:40:31.000 You're figuring it out.

01:40:32.000 And he has codes for footwork as well?

01:40:34.000 Everything.

01:40:35.000 Everything.

01:40:36.000 You will never hear him say shot.

01:40:39.000 You will never hear him say jab.

01:40:40.000 You will never hear him say head movement.

01:40:43.000 And so it's all...

01:40:44.000 In different languages.

01:40:45.000 And where did he learn all this from?

01:40:47.000 Was this his own system that he came up with?

01:40:48.000 I never asked.

01:40:49.000 I never asked.

01:40:50.000 I don't ask questions.

01:40:51.000 I just do it.

01:40:52.000 That's smart.

01:40:53.000 If you talk to Brandon Schaub, Schaub was blown away by it.

01:40:56.000 He's like, I've never seen anything like it.

01:40:58.000 Rashad Evans said the same thing.

01:40:59.000 I was going to say Rashad came down when he fought Sam Alvey.

01:41:01.000 I remember that can't...

01:41:02.000 And we linked up and trained after.

01:41:04.000 He's like, bro.

01:41:05.000 He said, I don't even know if I've been, if I even did anything.

01:41:07.000 I won the world championship.

01:41:09.000 But Mark made it feel like I'm a rookie.

01:41:10.000 Like, I don't know what I'm doing.

01:41:11.000 What are you talking about?

01:41:12.000 He was saying codes and I was like doing everything wrong.

01:41:15.000 And in my mind, it's kind of like you start doubting yourself.

01:41:17.000 Yeah.

01:41:18.000 Because you can't get it right.

01:41:19.000 But by the end of it, you do it so much.

01:41:20.000 Like he says, tandem dance.

01:41:22.000 Well, there's something about guys who take things to a totally new level.

01:41:26.000 And that's what he seems to do.

01:41:27.000 Mm-hmm.

01:41:28.000 You know, with his coaching.

01:41:29.000 He loves it.

01:41:30.000 He loves it.

01:41:31.000 You could tell.

01:41:31.000 You could tell the way he treats fighters, the way he corners fighters.

01:41:36.000 And, you know, man, you guys got a fucking incredible camp right now. 0.86

01:41:39.000 Everybody said we got a team. 0.99

01:41:40.000 We got a family.

01:41:42.000 4th of July...

01:41:44.000 You know where everyone's going to be on 4th of July.

01:41:46.000 Mark's house.

01:41:47.000 Everybody's invited.

01:41:47.000 If you've been there and trained with us, you get an invite.

01:41:50.000 Hey, bro, if you were there that weekend, the week before, next week, 4th of July, we're doing a big party in my house.

01:41:54.000 Come on, bro.

01:41:55.000 I got to go back to such and such.

01:41:57.000 Or you can make it back, bro.

01:41:58.000 Open invite.

01:41:58.000 You're more than welcome.

01:41:59.000 Come hang out.

01:41:59.000 We'd love to have you there.

01:42:00.000 You know, I remember when I was in Wisconsin, like, we hung out with Anthony Pettis and Duke Rubens and all those UFC guys that are in the gym.

01:42:08.000 But I don't ever remember seeing them outside.

01:42:10.000 Like we say in the fight house, but I've never seen them outside the gym.

01:42:13.000 It's not that way in our house.

01:42:14.000 Like, I was talking to Frankie last week and was all eating or something.

01:42:17.000 Oh, and I was finished training, stretching.

01:42:19.000 He said something about a party.

01:42:20.000 I'm like, I still ain't never been invited to see a New Year's party.

01:42:22.000 Like, bro, it's always an open invite.

01:42:24.000 Everybody's invited to my house.

01:42:25.000 You just never came.

01:42:26.000 I'm like, oh, he's like, you know where I live.

01:42:28.000 Your wife over at my house all the time. 0.87

01:42:29.000 You just never came.

01:42:30.000 It's always an open invite.

01:42:32.000 Like, we know where each other live.

01:42:34.000 You know, I had my way to invite everybody over.

01:42:36.000 Everybody show up.

01:42:37.000 So how did he get in touch with the Russians?

01:42:39.000 Like, how does Zabit get over there?

01:42:40.000 I think with Ali.

01:42:42.000 Ah, that makes sense.

01:42:43.000 Yeah.

01:42:44.000 I mean, most of our guys come from Ali.

01:42:45.000 I think everybody on our team is managed by Ali now, except for Blind Fighter.

01:42:50.000 Except for who?

01:42:51.000 Caitlyn Chukagin, Blind Fighter.

01:42:53.000 You call her Blind Fighter?

01:42:53.000 That's her name.

01:42:54.000 That's her nickname.

01:42:54.000 Blind Fighter or KC, Killer KC, I call her.

01:42:57.000 Because she's ruthless. 1.00

01:42:58.000 She is ruthless.

01:42:59.000 You see a little pretty good, and I've seen her knock guys out multiple times in the gym. 1.00

01:43:03.000 Really?

01:43:03.000 Multiple times.

01:43:05.000 I'm very interested in Marlon.

01:43:07.000 Marlon Marais versus Henry.

01:43:09.000 The birthday boy.

01:43:11.000 Happy birthday, Marlon.

01:43:12.000 It's today's birthday?

01:43:12.000 Today's birthday.

01:43:13.000 Happy birthday, Marlon.

01:43:14.000 Even though it's on feet tonight.

01:43:15.000 He was one of those guys, when he was fighting for World Series of Fighting, I was very interested in him coming over to the UFC. I was like, this guy's got legit skills.

01:43:23.000 He's something special.

01:43:24.000 He was smashing people.

01:43:26.000 But he wasn't crushing cans.

01:43:30.000 He was beating real good guys.

01:43:31.000 And the way he was moving and the things he was doing, I was like, this guy is world class.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, I took Tamar on the show. 0.98

01:43:37.000 He was the one that helped me understand the way the pro with the manager and the payments.

01:43:43.000 I had none of this.

01:43:44.000 I knew nothing.

01:43:44.000 Like I said, I was in a gym with a bunch of guys.

01:43:46.000 He taught you how to do it.

01:43:46.000 He taught me how to stuff work.

01:43:48.000 We used to sit in a sauna.

01:43:49.000 And he was talking about Ali.

01:43:50.000 He was like, oh, bro, Ali's a good guy because I didn't know this guy.

01:43:53.000 He was like, oh, I'll help you out, this and this.

01:43:55.000 And I asked him, like, what do you think about Ali?

01:43:56.000 He said, oh, he's my man.

01:43:57.000 He's great, brother.

01:43:57.000 This is this.

01:43:58.000 You know, the way it works is you get your purse and you break a certain percentage off of these people.

01:44:02.000 You take the percentage.

01:44:03.000 And then we got to camp.

01:44:04.000 He was breaking me down how their camp worked before I was coming out there.

01:44:07.000 So I had an understanding.

01:44:09.000 Like, how to get paid.

01:44:10.000 Like, they're going to offer you this.

01:44:12.000 If you get to UFC, you first start off 10 and 10. Or this organization is this and this.

01:44:16.000 He was telling me, like, you just can't let people take advantage of you.

01:44:18.000 Things I didn't know, you know, because Marlon was just super friendly.

01:44:22.000 He's a nice guy, family guy.

01:44:24.000 Like, now, if I went home right now, I'm sure him and his wife might be able to go with my wife and the baby, just hanging out with the puppy.

01:44:30.000 We're just a tight-knit family like that.

01:44:31.000 He just...

01:44:32.000 That's awesome.

01:44:33.000 He's like, bro, what's going on with you in a fight?

01:44:34.000 I heard this.

01:44:35.000 I heard that.

01:44:35.000 I saw this.

01:44:36.000 I saw that.

01:44:36.000 Don't let people get to you.

01:44:37.000 This isn't this.

01:44:38.000 Don't let them talk you into doing this.

01:44:40.000 Don't let somebody get to you where you react like this.

01:44:42.000 Keep your head, brother.

01:44:43.000 You're good.

01:44:43.000 You're going to be the champ.

01:44:44.000 I see you train.

01:44:45.000 I know what you do.

01:44:46.000 I know what you're capable of.

01:44:48.000 You're good.

01:44:49.000 You're translating so well from where you were to where you are now.

01:44:53.000 Like I said, him and Frankie Edgar are my two mentors in the fight game.

01:44:59.000 Couldn't get two better mentors.

01:45:01.000 If I need a question from any guy, I message them.

01:45:03.000 Then you got Eddie Alvarez as well.

01:45:04.000 I don't see Eddie as much.

01:45:06.000 I see them.

01:45:06.000 Eddie comes up like three, four times a week, but I see Frankie and Marlon every day.

01:45:10.000 How does Eddie like being over at 1FC? I think they treat it.

01:45:14.000 I never asked them about it.

01:45:15.000 You know, I'm not the type to ask questions.

01:45:16.000 I don't like being in other people's business.

01:45:18.000 So I don't ask, what do you think about this?

01:45:19.000 What do you think about that?

01:45:20.000 He told me when he came back from his first trip, I was like, bro, it's crazy.

01:45:24.000 They treat me like king.

01:45:24.000 What do you mean?

01:45:25.000 He was like, me and Jamie fly out there.

01:45:28.000 I was like, yeah, that plane y'all don't look nice.

01:45:29.000 He's like, yeah, bro, $32,000 or something for a ticket.

01:45:32.000 I was like, what? 0.99

01:45:33.000 Damn, that's crazy. 0.99

01:45:34.000 Like, that's each. 0.99

01:45:36.000 $32,000?

01:45:38.000 It was like some Asian airline, first class.

01:45:40.000 He was like, and they gave us, like, steaks, and it was amazing, bro.

01:45:43.000 It was great.

01:45:43.000 Like, it was good, and that's all I ever heard.

01:45:45.000 All I hear is good things.

01:45:47.000 Yeah.

01:45:47.000 All I hear is good things about the way they treat the fighters, the mentality that Chautry has, and the way he runs the organization.

01:45:53.000 Very, very impressed.

01:45:54.000 Yeah.

01:45:54.000 Like I said, it's up and coming, and I'm glad it's doing well.

01:45:57.000 When it first started, I used to say, oh, it's not going to be around.

01:45:59.000 They're not going to have backers.

01:46:00.000 They're throwing too much money right in the get-go, and the way...

01:46:03.000 But now here we are, what is it?

01:46:04.000 Huge success.

01:46:04.000 Five, six years later when they started?

01:46:06.000 Huge success.

01:46:06.000 It's as big as the UFC or bigger worldwide.

01:46:08.000 Yeah.

01:46:09.000 I mean, they're gigantic over in Asia.

01:46:10.000 And people making money.

01:46:11.000 Mm-hmm.

01:46:12.000 I know he was telling one of our teammates that was in the PFL tournament at 85, but they're not doing 85 this year.

01:46:18.000 He's like, what am I supposed to do now?

01:46:19.000 I heard Eddie say, I mean, I can have my guy talk to you.

01:46:21.000 We can try to get you into one.

01:46:23.000 And I heard him saying, like, bro, he told me I can make some good money over there.

01:46:25.000 I'm trying to do that.

01:46:27.000 Hey, got to worry about you and your family, bro.

01:46:29.000 Do what's best for you and yours.

01:46:30.000 So...

01:46:30.000 Well, I mean, worldwide, I think they're on a collision course with the UFC in terms of notoriety and popularity.

01:46:37.000 I mean, in Asia, it's already bigger. 0.68

01:46:40.000 It's something.

01:46:41.000 It's something special.

01:46:42.000 And you see with the guy, that Natsiuken guy that Eddie fought, they have world-class fighters over there.

01:46:48.000 I mean, you knock on Eddie Alvarez, you're a world-class fighter.

01:46:52.000 In the first round.

01:46:53.000 Yeah.

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:54.000 Very impressive.

01:46:55.000 And even the guy that Mighty Mouse fought, he gave him trouble.

01:46:58.000 The guy's good.

01:46:58.000 You know, they got good fighters over there.

01:47:00.000 Real, world-class fighters.

01:47:02.000 There's so many good fighters now.

01:47:03.000 You know?

01:47:04.000 And then, also, they have, you know, Yadson Clyde's fighting over there.

01:47:08.000 Nikki Holtzkin.

01:47:09.000 They got world-class kickboxers and Muay Thai fighters fighting in.

01:47:13.000 And then they're even doing grappling matches.

01:47:15.000 Yeah.

01:47:15.000 I mean, I love what they're doing.

01:47:17.000 That's karate. 0.68

01:47:17.000 Mix it all together. 0.68

01:47:18.000 I love it.

01:47:18.000 Bellator did the kickboxing MMA.

01:47:20.000 But now, and they had two different rings for it.

01:47:22.000 But one, do it all in one.

01:47:25.000 On one night, it's like MMA, and now it's a kickboxing.

01:47:27.000 Now they got grappling.

01:47:28.000 It's going back.

01:47:29.000 It's cool.

01:47:29.000 Keep you on your toes.

01:47:30.000 The only thing I don't like is I was early. 0.99

01:47:32.000 It's fucking in the morning. 0.99

01:47:33.000 Right. 0.99

01:47:33.000 Like 2, 3 o'clock, I got to set an alarm to get up to see it. 0.99

01:47:36.000 I'm going to have to sleep.

01:47:36.000 You got to take the good with the bad, man.

01:47:39.000 They're in Singapore or wherever they are in different countries, wherever they hold their events.

01:47:43.000 I just think it's so important for fighters to have options, to have so many different places, to have Bellator.

01:47:48.000 And now that Rory McDonald went over to Bellator and Gegard Mousasi and world-class guys.

01:47:56.000 Ryan Bader is a heavyweight.

01:47:58.000 It's a beast. 0.98

01:47:58.000 Crazy. 0.98

01:47:59.000 You see him knock out Fedor in the first round, you're like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:48:02.000 Amazing. 0.99

01:48:03.000 He's doing his thing.

01:48:04.000 Happy for him.

01:48:05.000 Phil Davis.

01:48:06.000 I'm just happy to see that fighters have options.

01:48:08.000 Not just the UFC. It's good for the UFC. It's good for everybody.

01:48:12.000 In my mind, people say, oh, did you ever think about going to Bellator 1?

01:48:16.000 In my mind, it's great fighters everywhere.

01:48:18.000 Right now, I still think the number one There's no contest.

01:48:42.000 In terms of prestige, there's no contest.

01:48:44.000 No.

01:48:45.000 If you get the UFC title, you're the best.

01:48:47.000 That's it.

01:48:48.000 There's no question, like, oh, what about the Bellator?

01:48:50.000 This, this, and this, because the Bellator champ lost to John Jones already.

01:48:54.000 Especially in your division.

01:48:56.000 You know, in your division, you have one of the best guys of all time, if not the best guy of all time as a champion.

01:49:01.000 So when you see a guy like John at the top of the heap, is that...

01:49:07.000 Is that motivating to you to just ramp up it even harder because you realize that the guy who's a champion in your division is not just the best light heavyweight of all time, maybe the best martial artist of all time?

01:49:19.000 It ramps up so much.

01:49:20.000 When I'm riding a bike in my basement, I got the Aerodon bike and a stationary bike and I got the projector.

01:49:26.000 When I'm down there, the only thing I own is Fight Pass.

01:49:28.000 When I'm watching Fight Pass, I'm usually watching Jon Jones.

01:49:30.000 You know, to see him dominating other guys, and you just hear that bite.

01:49:33.000 You can hear the pedals start picking on him.

01:49:35.000 He can feel like a brawl or something crazy.

01:49:36.000 And I don't even be looking down at the clock, but I can just hear the fan picking up.

01:49:40.000 And I don't even realize it until it goes to break.

01:49:42.000 And I slow it down.

01:49:44.000 And I'm just watching him.

01:49:47.000 If I want to get there, I've got to beat him to be the best.

01:49:51.000 So I need to work hard.

01:49:52.000 What's your take on him?

01:49:54.000 You can't take away what he does in the sport.

01:49:56.000 What is his outside?

01:49:57.000 His personal life?

01:49:58.000 That's all he say, she say.

01:50:00.000 I had my words after the California stuff.

01:50:03.000 We went to 226 or whatever the fight it was in Vegas and got moved here because of his lifestyle, the drug tests, and all that extra stuff.

01:50:10.000 However you want to code it up, it's past.

01:50:12.000 You know, I'm done with it.

01:50:13.000 But I had my words there.

01:50:15.000 The fact that he kept using God and Jesus and this, this, and this.

01:50:18.000 And I'm a God-fearing guy who reads my Bible every morning.

01:50:20.000 And I don't like the fact that he would do that.

01:50:23.000 Like I said, I'm not on it now, but at the time, my words was the fact that he did that.

01:50:27.000 And then at the same time, I went on interviewing him, so I want to thank God.

01:50:29.000 And that kind of rubbed me wrong.

01:50:31.000 And then we flew on the plane together.

01:50:33.000 And I saw the way he was acting.

01:50:35.000 When he came on the plane, like, we're not doing this because of him.

01:50:37.000 Like, all that at a time bothered me.

01:50:39.000 And that was a pent-up energy.

01:50:40.000 And that was something else going into that fight.

01:50:42.000 That was something on my shoulders because I had posted something.

01:50:45.000 Because when UFC called me right before I got on the flight, it was like, oh, don't come.

01:50:49.000 I'm on my way to Vegas now.

01:50:50.000 I got my wife.

01:50:50.000 She's eight months pregnant.

01:50:52.000 Like, she's 30 weeks, whatever.

01:50:53.000 She can't travel after this.

01:50:54.000 She's struggling.

01:50:55.000 We got all them bags.

01:50:56.000 And y'all called me now and said, don't come.

01:50:58.000 This and this.

01:50:58.000 Go back home.

01:50:59.000 We're going to fly you out again.

01:51:00.000 Like, I'm not doing this again.

01:51:01.000 And then when they get there, well, we can get you here, but we get you to Cali, but we can't take your wife. 0.99

01:51:05.000 Like, what?

01:51:06.000 Like, well, we pay your ticket and the coach's ticket.

01:51:08.000 Like, no. 1.00

01:51:08.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:51:09.000 All because of John Jones. 1.00

01:51:11.000 That's what got me mad.

01:51:12.000 So they were trying to save money?

01:51:14.000 Pretty much.

01:51:14.000 By not flying people.

01:51:15.000 Because we was literally walking down the runway to the plane when they called me.

01:51:20.000 Jesus Christ.

01:51:20.000 When I turned around.

01:51:21.000 But then when we got there, like, okay, you come here, but we can get you to Cali, but we can't get your wife to Cali. 0.97

01:51:26.000 Like...

01:51:26.000 My wife is 30 weeks pregnant.

01:51:28.000 She's here with me.

01:51:28.000 She's coming.

01:51:29.000 Like, well, we don't know what to do because you bought her ticket.

01:51:32.000 Like, what do you mean you don't know what to do?

01:51:33.000 Get her another ticket.

01:51:34.000 Like, I paid for my family.

01:51:36.000 What about the people that's on the way right now?

01:51:37.000 Like, oh, they got to find their own way.

01:51:39.000 Fight week.

01:51:40.000 Fight week.

01:51:41.000 The week of the fight.

01:51:42.000 The thing of the things that you have to think about.

01:51:44.000 You know? 0.98

01:51:44.000 To be fucking with that. 0.98

01:51:45.000 That's the last thing I need to worry about. 0.99

01:51:47.000 And then I get there, and they tell them, make sure you got your workout.

01:51:51.000 If you don't have your workout scheduled to P.I. set already, as soon as you get there, go do it.

01:51:55.000 I did mine like a month and a half ahead of time.

01:51:58.000 Like I said, I'm punctual.

01:52:00.000 I like having stuff done.

01:52:01.000 I'm getting ready to go to the P.I. I'm packing my bags, and I get a call.

01:52:05.000 Oh, you can't come to the P.I.? Why?

01:52:07.000 John just came in and said he want to work out, so we're closing the gym down.

01:52:10.000 You're not allowed.

01:52:11.000 Y'all called me two months ago and told me to set my schedule to come ahead of time.

01:52:16.000 I'm literally getting ready to walk to my Uber that's outside, and you say I can't come now?

01:52:20.000 Like, I'm sorry, nothing we can do is John.

01:52:22.000 Why can't you work out at the same place where John's working out?

01:52:24.000 I have no clue.

01:52:24.000 You're not fighting John.

01:52:25.000 It's the same thing with Conner's there.

01:52:26.000 I'm there in the summer and Conner's show up, they come in and tell everybody, you gotta leave.

01:52:29.000 What?

01:52:31.000 Really?

01:52:31.000 You walk out and Conner's have his car parked up on the sidewalk.

01:52:34.000 Come on.

01:52:34.000 Yeah, they have security guards, block the stairs off and everything.

01:52:37.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.96

01:52:38.000 You're not allowed to go up here. 1.00

01:52:39.000 I'm telling you.

01:52:40.000 Yes.

01:52:41.000 Ew.

01:52:42.000 Ew, exactly.

01:52:42.000 That's gross.

01:52:43.000 You walk out and you heard somebody say... 0.69

01:52:45.000 That's a big place.

01:52:45.000 Yeah.

01:52:46.000 But you can go to the cardio room and the weights, but you can't use the upstairs where the cage and the bag and stuff is.

01:52:51.000 You can't use the...

01:52:52.000 If he's in the cage, you can't use the bags.

01:52:53.000 They have security blocking the stairs, so you can't go up there. 0.99

01:52:55.000 What the fuck is that about? 0.99

01:52:57.000 That's the people. 0.99

01:52:58.000 I don't know.

01:52:59.000 That's not my people.

01:53:00.000 I'm an independent contractor, sir.

01:53:03.000 Yeah, like that stuff, it kind of rubbed me wrong.

01:53:06.000 And that's when it was kind of like, if I was a champ, I wouldn't want that.

01:53:10.000 No.

01:53:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:11.000 I want people to be able to see what I'm doing.

01:53:13.000 Maybe it's just security.

01:53:13.000 They can watch me and see.

01:53:14.000 I don't know.

01:53:15.000 I mean, you know, you got to think about how much death threats that guy must get. 1.00

01:53:18.000 How much shit he must take. 1.00

01:53:21.000 He's as popular as he is, as famous as he is. 1.00

01:53:23.000 Maybe he just has overzealous security.

01:53:25.000 Maybe.

01:53:25.000 And they just want to tighten it down so they don't want anybody up there.

01:53:27.000 Yeah, they kept, I was so, that was the first time I've ever cursed at a UFC employee.

01:53:32.000 Like, my wife and my child, I was, like, going off.

01:53:35.000 Like, y'all welcome me to change my whole workout schedule, fight week.

01:53:37.000 I'm cutting weight too, you know?

01:53:38.000 Like, it's not just John. 0.99

01:53:40.000 Like, we in the same division, I'm gonna fuck about none of that. 0.99

01:53:42.000 I don't care what he's doing. 0.99

01:53:43.000 I need to go up there and get a workout.

01:53:44.000 My coaches meet me there from the airport, but we can't do nothing about it, Corey.

01:53:47.000 And the guy kept hanging up because I was going off. 0.85

01:53:48.000 That is ridiculous.

01:53:49.000 And they were calling me back, and I was like, yo, and then people would hit me up like, I'm glad you're actually voicing yourself. 0.98

01:53:53.000 I'm hearing around the PR right now, everybody talking about how you're mad.

01:53:56.000 Somebody texted me like, I'm glad you're actually speaking up, because everybody else is kind of like, okay.

01:54:00.000 Like, no.

01:54:01.000 And if it wasn't for my wife being there, I probably wouldn't took it the same.

01:54:04.000 But I see the way she's struggling to carry this belly around, and she's hurting. 0.88

01:54:08.000 Yeah, of course.

01:54:09.000 Eight months.

01:54:09.000 She could give birth at any moment.

01:54:11.000 Anytime.

01:54:12.000 So the stress, I'm sure it's like, all that, my baby's healed.

01:54:15.000 Even worse, sure.

01:54:16.000 So I'm really...

01:54:17.000 It was ramping me up, and my wife came like, Corey, just stop. 1.00

01:54:20.000 Calm down.

01:54:20.000 It'll be okay.

01:54:21.000 This isn't this.

01:54:21.000 It ain't the fact of being okay.

01:54:23.000 It's the fact that they're letting one person dictate it all.

01:54:26.000 We're all equal.

01:54:27.000 Right now, they're treating us like a number.

01:54:29.000 He's John Jones, but we're number 4,722.

01:54:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:33.000 I don't like that.

01:54:34.000 He's John, I'm Corey.

01:54:36.000 Like I was telling Will on the way here, the reason I love Rose Nama Eunice is because I've never seen none of that from her.

01:54:40.000 She's a champ, but you would see her and she'd act just like Rose when she was an evictist. 0.97

01:54:45.000 She doesn't change.

01:54:46.000 I don't want no special treatment from her or from anybody if I was a champ.

01:54:50.000 Treat me the same.

01:54:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:52.000 Some people are different.

01:54:54.000 Like I said, I don't know if it's John or his camp that was doing that or UFC's doing or security or what, but it rubbed me wrong that We aren't equal anymore.

01:55:04.000 No, that's understandable, but that's also got to give you some motivation, right?

01:55:07.000 Exactly.

01:55:08.000 Like, I told him in the area, I was sitting on the plane, and I was literally directly behind John Jones, and I see his head bobbing, and I was just looking.

01:55:14.000 I looked at my wife, and she's, like, struggling, like, falling asleep, but struggling to fall asleep, and I looked at the top of his head, the back of his head, and I was just like, it's time for a change of the torch.

01:55:22.000 Like my brother always said, like, you're good.

01:55:24.000 And you know you can beat everybody.

01:55:25.000 But I feel like when I come to those top guys, like John Jones and Gus, you doubt yourself just a little bit.

01:55:30.000 You ain't sure that you can get them yet.

01:55:32.000 You know you're good, but you feel like, this is before, like before the leader fight, you get there and you feel like you don't think you're ready for that.

01:55:39.000 But I'm telling you, I watched you, bro.

01:55:40.000 I know what you made up.

01:55:41.000 You can do it.

01:55:42.000 And I sat there and saw him bobbing and all the frustration going through my mind.

01:55:45.000 Six o'clock in the morning, we had to get up and catch a plane because this guy, this guy, this guy, they show up on time.

01:55:50.000 He still was late to that.

01:55:51.000 And it was just like...

01:55:52.000 Thank you.

01:55:53.000 If I'm the champ, I don't want this.

01:55:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:55:56.000 I don't want no special treatment.

01:55:57.000 If you tell me, sign up ahead of time and keep your schedule, I expect that.

01:56:02.000 If we get down to scale, first come, first serve.

01:56:04.000 First come, first serve.

01:56:05.000 If I show up late, put me in the order I am.

01:56:07.000 Don't put me up front because I'm the champ.

01:56:09.000 Because I was the first or second person there.

01:56:12.000 I went my way to the scale.

01:56:13.000 And John was walking down the stairs fully dressed.

01:56:15.000 We went back to the commission room.

01:56:16.000 And I remember people in the blue shirt came and said, hold up, hold up.

01:56:19.000 And all of a sudden, John come in.

01:56:20.000 He could do all his paperwork.

01:56:21.000 He went on the scale and he was out.

01:56:23.000 He was the last person down.

01:56:24.000 How's it he's first?

01:56:26.000 It wasn't that big of a deal, but the fact that I don't like that.

01:56:29.000 Well, it's because he's headlining the card, right?

01:56:30.000 Yeah.

01:56:31.000 So they're giving him a special treat.

01:56:32.000 Everything.

01:56:33.000 That's what I kept saying.

01:56:33.000 It's John Jones.

01:56:34.000 Every time I got the phone, well, it's John Jones.

01:56:35.000 And they hang up.

01:56:36.000 I was like, I don't like that.

01:56:39.000 He's still a person.

01:56:40.000 He's the greatest there is, but he's still a person.

01:56:42.000 It's motivation for you to be Corey Anderson.

01:56:44.000 100%.

01:56:44.000 It's Corey Anderson.

01:56:45.000 And change the tie.

01:56:46.000 It's Corey Anderson.

01:56:47.000 It's Corey Anderson, but treat me normal.

01:56:49.000 Don't give me a special treatment.

01:56:50.000 Well, that's beautiful that you have that attitude.

01:56:52.000 When you look at John's skills, what do you think you need to do, if anything different, in your life or in your training?

01:57:00.000 Or where do you need to get to where you think you can beat him?

01:57:02.000 Just keep getting better.

01:57:04.000 The Aliyah Latifah fight must have been a big boost.

01:57:08.000 100%.

01:57:08.000 Every fight, even the ones I lost has all been a boost.

01:57:12.000 Tell me a fight that I've been getting beat up, Joe.

01:57:15.000 Right.

01:57:15.000 I've never been in a fight where somebody, you're too small, you're not good.

01:57:18.000 There's never been one fight in my career where somebody straight manhandled me and pushed me around.

01:57:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:24.000 They talk about this, this, and this.

01:57:26.000 He's the greatest, this, he's the greatest, that.

01:57:27.000 I was watching a UFC main event last night in the hotel.

01:57:30.000 They had the Glover Rashad fight.

01:57:31.000 And they're talking about this, this, and this, and this.

01:57:33.000 And Glover's this, Glover's that, Glover's this, Glover's that.

01:57:36.000 And I think, I beat that guy.

01:57:38.000 You know, he's on here talking about, I hope they don't give a little TV, or Johnny Walker a little TV, he's super good, this and this.

01:57:42.000 But at the same time, I was thinking, and you said it, but what about Corey?

01:57:44.000 And I was like, there we go.

01:57:46.000 Finally, somebody.

01:57:47.000 Like, all these guys, they talk about how good these guys, and I done beat them all.

01:57:50.000 Like, I'm that guy coming underneath the radar, and they don't expect me to do nothing because I lost to Gian Vellante, my third or fourth fight in the UFC, two years of my career.

01:57:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:59.000 Jimmy Manuel, Jimmy Manuel, I told Will on the way here, too, Jimmy Manuel was the only fight I would say, the guy beat me.

01:58:06.000 He didn't manhandle me, but in my head from his highlights, like you said, on Instagram, reading comments, and I let what people were saying and reading and seeing get in my head to think, if this guy touches me, he's going to put me out.

01:58:20.000 And when you go into a fight thinking that, I literally got touched, and my mind was already set.

01:58:25.000 Like, if I get hit, I'm going out.

01:58:28.000 I think subconsciously, I had myself so doubted that when he hit me, my mind just, in panic, kind of shut down.

01:58:35.000 Because I remember when I hit the mat, I wasn't out, but I don't remember.

01:58:39.000 I was out, but I remember seeing his feet walk away.

01:58:42.000 And I remember when I came to, clearly.

01:58:44.000 And I thought to myself, like, it happened.

01:58:46.000 It's exactly what I put in my mind.

01:58:47.000 If I got hit, it happened.

01:58:49.000 And after that, that was it.

01:58:50.000 It was like, I can take it to anybody.

01:58:53.000 And I think OSP was more dangerous than Jimmy because he can kick, he was explosive, and this is the hand punch.

01:58:59.000 I did everything right and just slipped into the punch the wrong way.

01:59:01.000 But I was manhandling them for three rounds. 0.72

01:59:04.000 It's simple mistakes because I didn't have the discipline yet.

01:59:07.000 In three years of my career, I hadn't learned the discipline and focus that it's a 15-minute fight.

01:59:12.000 I can win 12 minutes of it all, but one mistake and it's all gone.

01:59:15.000 Well, the experience of making those mistakes and realizing what they are, and then when those moments come up again, and you deviate from the game plan, and you do go to your right, and you do move the wrong direction, you'll catch yourself.

01:59:29.000 You'll realize.

01:59:32.000 The experience of competition for a fighter, there's nothing that substitutes it.

01:59:37.000 You can have great talent, you can have a great mindset, but the experience of competition is like nothing else.

01:59:43.000 And one thing that I've seen from you is that every time you have had losses, you've gone back to work and come back better.

01:59:49.000 You made significant jumps in between each fight.

01:59:52.000 That's why we were talking about fighters and I said, well, what about Corey Anderson?

01:59:55.000 Because people do leave you out of the discussion, but they don't leave you out of the discussion because you're not good.

02:00:01.000 They, for whatever reason, leave you out of discussion.

02:00:03.000 Maybe because you're a polite, soft-spoken guy and you haven't been knocking people out.

02:00:08.000 That's the knock on you, if there is a knock.

02:00:11.000 But you're winning.

02:00:13.000 With fighting, the key is winning.

02:00:16.000 It's not knocking people out or submitting people.

02:00:18.000 The key is winning.

02:00:19.000 Can you win?

02:00:20.000 Can you beat world-class guys?

02:00:22.000 You've shown you can beat world-class guys. 0.88

02:00:24.000 And the fact that you've done this with just seven years total training is pretty fucking incredible. 0.50

02:00:30.000 Pretty amazing, man.

02:00:32.000 I'm glad you voiced that on the air, because I could say it all day, and nobody would say it.

02:00:35.000 Don't say it.

02:00:36.000 You shouldn't even say it at all.

02:00:37.000 Let me say it for you.

02:00:38.000 I got to get off of social media and realize that. 1.00

02:00:40.000 Get the fuck off social media. 0.99

02:00:42.000 Post and run. 1.00

02:00:43.000 Just post and run.

02:00:44.000 Because it's...

02:00:45.000 Like we were saying before, it's just not a healthy way to consume things. 1.00

02:00:51.000 Because there's too many people out there that are bored, or maybe they're not healthy mentally, and they would like to fuck with your head. 0.98

02:00:59.000 And they see a guy like you, especially a guy who's an elite athlete, fighting in the UFC. There's so much jealousy and pettiness. 1.00

02:01:07.000 And sports fans are weird like that. 1.00

02:01:09.000 They'll call some guy who's making $20 million a year a fucking loser. 1.00

02:01:13.000 Like, it's crazy. 1.00

02:01:14.000 But you sit at home on food stamps watching me.

02:01:17.000 It's crazy! 1.00

02:01:17.000 But their words, although they mean nothing, if you see them in print and it's about you, it can get you to go, hey, hmm, and that might fuck with you while you're running. 1.00

02:01:27.000 Fuck that guy. 1.00

02:01:28.000 You know, and there might be 30 of those guys. 1.00

02:01:30.000 And if you go down a spiral, if you have a weak mind and you don't understand how to compartmentalize and how to look at things objectively, if you don't see what that is and you start... 0.99

02:01:42.000 If I saw him, I'd say this, or come say that shit to my face, and you start getting involved in that stuff. 0.99

02:01:48.000 This is just a giant waste of resources, a giant waste of energy. 0.99

02:01:52.000 It doesn't do you any good at all, especially when...

02:01:55.000 Look at what you're surrounded with, man.

02:01:58.000 You're telling me it's all family, elite fighters, some of the best guys in the world.

02:02:02.000 You have one of the best coaches on the planet Earth.

02:02:05.000 Ricardo Almeida, one of the best jiu-jitsu coaches on the planet Earth.

02:02:08.000 You're with some elite, world-class fighters.

02:02:11.000 You're all tied together.

02:02:12.000 That should be all of your mental diet.

02:02:16.000 All of your communication, camaraderie, all your interaction with people.

02:02:20.000 It should be that.

02:02:21.000 Because you got top of the food chain. 1.00

02:02:23.000 Like, why fuck with all these scavengers online and cannibals and fucking zombies? 1.00

02:02:29.000 And that's what you're dealing with when you get into those comment sections. 1.00

02:02:31.000 You don't know who these people are.

02:02:33.000 You know, I mean, it could be anybody.

02:02:35.000 True story. 0.93

02:02:36.000 Just, for a fighter, the mentality, and this is another thing that I wanted to ask you about, your mentality is so fucking important. 0.72

02:02:42.000 Do you use a mental coach?

02:02:44.000 And have you ever been hypnotized?

02:02:46.000 Have you ever worked with a mental coach at all?

02:02:48.000 One thing I did different this year was brain tap.

02:02:51.000 A brain tap?

02:02:52.000 Yeah, my physical therapist has things, you put the sound on, it's kind of...

02:02:56.000 It's kind of like hypnosis.

02:02:57.000 They got flashing lights.

02:02:58.000 You can go take a nap, whatever.

02:03:00.000 It's kind of like listening.

02:03:01.000 Like they say, you listen to Rosetta Stone or something before you go to bed, and when you wake up, it's in your mind because you heard it.

02:03:05.000 It's the same thing.

02:03:05.000 So I take a nap, and I put it in.

02:03:07.000 It's always positive thoughts.

02:03:08.000 It's like, take a deep breath, this and this.

02:03:09.000 And it slowly...

02:03:11.000 It's just, you hear us talking, he's speaking, and it slowly stops.

02:03:14.000 But you see the light still going off, but it's there.

02:03:16.000 If you push it in focus, you can hear him like very lightly talking in the background.

02:03:19.000 And I'll take like a nap, like 30 minutes.

02:03:21.000 So what are the lights?

02:03:23.000 How does it work?

02:03:24.000 I think it's like, Jamie's got it here.

02:03:25.000 Jamie's got it.

02:03:26.000 He's going to pull one up.

02:03:27.000 Yeah, I think it's like pulling a...

02:03:28.000 Brain tap headset.

02:03:29.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:03:30.000 And I think the lights and stuff just keep your focus till your body isn't completely asleep or something.

02:03:34.000 Let me see this.

02:03:35.000 It says, uses unique frequencies of light and sound for brainwave entrainment.

02:03:40.000 In just 22 minutes of deep relaxation, your brain will be guided to relax.

02:03:44.000 Proven scientific techniques allow your brain to rest and recovery that it needs by reaching various states of consciousness.

02:03:53.000 Reboot.

02:03:54.000 Clean the slate of unimportant...

02:03:57.000 And of the unimportant and reinforce the most valuable information for better memory and brain power and revitalize.

02:04:04.000 Our sessions are designed to build a resilient mind and fit body for life.

02:04:10.000 Huh.

02:04:11.000 And with that and float tank, that was another thing I added.

02:04:14.000 Like relaxing.

02:04:15.000 Because one thing I had a problem with, I used to...

02:04:19.000 You're always going to have dreams.

02:04:20.000 If I have a bad sparring or whatever, I'm thinking negative.

02:04:22.000 So when I go to bed, I have a negative dream.

02:04:24.000 I have a dream I got to take down 10 times.

02:04:26.000 I got hit hard in practice.

02:04:28.000 I got hit hard and I got put out.

02:04:29.000 I used to feel like in going into fights, if I had one of them dreams, I remember before the Gian Vellante fight, it was after I fought Justin Jones.

02:04:37.000 I went home.

02:04:38.000 The first night I went to sleep, I woke up and had a dream.

02:04:40.000 I fought Gian Vellante next and I lost the split decision.

02:04:44.000 And in my mind, I remember going into that fight, and that stayed vivid in my head that I lose.

02:04:48.000 It's got a split decision.

02:04:49.000 Somehow, in my dream, I was fighting Gian Vellante next, and I lost split decision.

02:04:53.000 And I think that's why in the third round, even though everybody was saying, like you were saying, the leg kicks and everything, and when it came out, they showed a scorecard.

02:04:59.000 It was like, I guess I was winning on the scorecards, but in my mind, I thought I was getting defeated.

02:05:03.000 And I had to go harder and go harder, and I was getting beat up, because in my dream, It's that vivid in my mind.

02:05:08.000 So I got greedy, and coaches just kept saying, like, just move!

02:05:11.000 Get out of there! 0.65

02:05:12.000 Move! 0.97

02:05:12.000 And I was just doing the most, trying to hit him as much as I could. 0.97

02:05:14.000 And you kept saying, and I watched the video, you said, the best offense is the best defense.

02:05:19.000 If Corey can't get hit, Gian can't throw anything back.

02:05:21.000 So that was my mind.

02:05:22.000 If I get it this round 10-8, there's no way I'll lose.

02:05:24.000 So I hit him as much as I can, as many times as I can.

02:05:26.000 Maybe I'll put him out, and I got over as us and got caught.

02:05:29.000 And then when the scorecards came out and said I was winning, there was no reason for me to do all that.

02:05:33.000 Right.

02:05:33.000 In my mind, going into that fight, I remember all the fight with that dream kept popping up.

02:05:37.000 Never had another dream losing again, but that was from December the year before, and it was stuck in my head.

02:05:43.000 I couldn't let go of it.

02:05:45.000 And then, I can't remember, whatever.

02:05:46.000 I had another one that didn't show the finish of the fight, but I woke up with a record 8-2.

02:05:53.000 At the time, I was 8-1, or 7-1.

02:05:55.000 Oh, no, 8-1.

02:05:56.000 And this was before going into the Tom Lawler fight. 1.00

02:06:00.000 And I was like, fuck. 0.99

02:06:02.000 Do I lose this? 1.00

02:06:02.000 Now, I remember in Vegas, he rocked me in the beginning. 1.00

02:06:05.000 And I thought, for sure, they just gave him a scorecard.

02:06:06.000 I'm like, here you go.

02:06:07.000 Here come that dream again.

02:06:08.000 Here come that dream again.

02:06:09.000 When they said, Corey Anderson.

02:06:10.000 Now, I remember going to my hotel room.

02:06:11.000 Somebody put a sign on it.

02:06:12.000 It said, nine and one now.

02:06:13.000 Congratulations.

02:06:14.000 And that's when it stuck in my head.

02:06:15.000 Like, oh, that dream means nothing.

02:06:17.000 And that's when the dreams are just dreams.

02:06:19.000 Yeah.

02:06:20.000 So the float tank helps you?

02:06:22.000 Float tank helps. 0.82

02:06:22.000 Am I getting there and relaxed? 0.82

02:06:23.000 Like the negative thoughts?

02:06:24.000 I always do it the last week, Sunday.

02:06:27.000 I do massage.

02:06:28.000 I go to church.

02:06:29.000 Massage.

02:06:30.000 Float tank.

02:06:31.000 And there's nothing on my mind.

02:06:32.000 But the Bible and the gospel I heard that morning.

02:06:35.000 I go to the massage and I fall asleep.

02:06:37.000 And I go into that float tank.

02:06:38.000 I think about what I need to do.

02:06:40.000 And the mind zonks out.

02:06:42.000 And all I'm thinking about is that fight.

02:06:43.000 Victory.

02:06:44.000 Winning.

02:06:45.000 Getting my hand raised.

02:06:45.000 Whichever way.

02:06:46.000 Dominate.

02:06:47.000 When I wake up.

02:06:49.000 That whole week I don't have any negative thoughts.

02:06:51.000 Because that's what I visualized.

02:06:52.000 That last three times of work at home was all positive thinking.

02:06:57.000 And with the brain tap, like my doc used to let me take you to the fight with me.

02:07:00.000 So I'm resting between training, put it on.

02:07:02.000 He gave me his little travel iPhone, whatever, put it on.

02:07:04.000 How does it make you feel, the brain tap?

02:07:06.000 The brain tap, you just wake up, like I said, relax.

02:07:09.000 I get down to practice, I'm tired, I'm exhausted, but that little 15 or 20 minute nap, whichever one I use, when my brain come back too, I feel like I just slept for hours.

02:07:19.000 I don't understand why it does so much for you.

02:07:21.000 I've been the type, I never believe any of that stuff.

02:07:23.000 Hypnosis, I never believed it, but after he let me try, he's like, just try it once.

02:07:27.000 And I tried it, and I actually let my body relax.

02:07:32.000 I noticed the next day in training, I'm like, dang.

02:07:34.000 Like, there's Jiu-Jitsu.

02:07:35.000 Like, I always struggled at Jiu-Jitsu.

02:07:36.000 I hated Jiu-Jitsu.

02:07:37.000 But I finally realized things I was doing.

02:07:39.000 I was relaxed.

02:07:40.000 Pants into what Ricardo was saying.

02:07:42.000 Watching the small details.

02:07:43.000 And he was like, bro, you look good today.

02:07:44.000 And I was thinking, like, I think maybe that brain tap actually kind of helped.

02:07:47.000 And I kept doing it.

02:07:48.000 So it puts your mind in a good place to learn things.

02:07:51.000 So you're kind of open-minded.

02:07:52.000 You relax.

02:07:53.000 You wake up and it's like the airflow smells a lot fresher.

02:07:56.000 Really?

02:07:56.000 Like I said, hypnosis, they say it works.

02:07:59.000 It does work.

02:08:00.000 It's not putting me to sleep or putting me out hypnotized, but the way it made me feel, I didn't want to say, oh, hypnosis-wise, I got hypnotized.

02:08:11.000 Subliminal messages.

02:08:12.000 You don't hear it.

02:08:12.000 Like, if you listen to music and something in the background, it's in there.

02:08:14.000 How often are you doing that brain tap thing?

02:08:16.000 Well, now I haven't done it.

02:08:17.000 I'm about to buy one of those from my physical therapist.

02:08:20.000 He got some extra ones he said to get rid of so I can do it more.

02:08:22.000 But I usually do it when I get in the camp in my old physical therapist place.

02:08:25.000 They relocated and closed down here.

02:08:28.000 So that's why I haven't done it that much.

02:08:29.000 But he said, I got some.

02:08:30.000 I'll sell you some.

02:08:31.000 So if you have one at home, you'd use it every day?

02:08:33.000 Not every day.

02:08:34.000 I don't want to get too sucked into it.

02:08:36.000 But yeah, at least twice a week.

02:08:37.000 Twice a week.

02:08:38.000 I do it when I go to therapy twice a week.

02:08:39.000 What about float tank?

02:08:40.000 How often do you do that?

02:08:41.000 Float tank, I do that once.

02:08:42.000 Once?

02:08:43.000 Just that last day before I leave.

02:08:44.000 Wow.

02:08:45.000 It's kind of like water load.

02:08:46.000 I don't want to over water load.

02:08:47.000 You drink too much water, it backfires.

02:08:49.000 So I don't want to do the same thing with float tank because float tank is also great for the injuries in the body.

02:08:53.000 yeah you know that's how i found it at first my shoulders real messed up going to the pat cummins fight and i kept getting a stinger i couldn't figure it out and my physical therapist she was like you need to go try floating i think it'd be really good help you with your other bumps and bruises and pull off a couple ounces at the same time because all epsom salt just sit there and try i reached out to the guy and brick and uh he gave me a little deal i hook you up you know you advertise for me and i let you float yeah so i did it and i liked it and like i said the negative thoughts going to the pat cummins fight that's where i got the dream i got take down took down like 10 times.

02:09:21.000 Yeah.

02:09:23.000 He's like, I've trained with Pat.

02:09:24.000 He's really good at wrestling.

02:09:24.000 This guy was a national champ.

02:09:26.000 He's really good.

02:09:26.000 He might take you down a couple times, but he can't out-cardio you.

02:09:29.000 And my mom was like, I don't want to get taken down at all.

02:09:32.000 So I started having dreams.

02:09:32.000 I was getting taken down like 10, 12 times with my pet.

02:09:36.000 And that couldn't happen.

02:09:38.000 And as you see, I ended up taking him down.

02:09:40.000 I didn't even want to shoot that fight. 0.99

02:09:41.000 I just wanted to kill him on the feet. 1.00

02:09:43.000 I ended up taking him down 12 times and I was struck the shit out of him. 0.99

02:09:45.000 Do you think you were taking him down because of your dream? 0.92

02:09:47.000 Like you wanted to prove your dream wrong?

02:09:49.000 Like maybe you had that in your head?

02:09:50.000 The first time I took him down, it was so easy.

02:09:52.000 I was just like, I'm just going to keep doing this. 0.97

02:09:54.000 Hit him with a couple punches. 1.00

02:09:55.000 When he gets ready to punch, take him down. 0.97

02:09:57.000 Because I'm thinking, in my mind, it's got to wrestle at the Olympic level.

02:10:00.000 Do you want All-American Penn State, the best school out there?

02:10:02.000 I'm thinking, there's no way it's going to be easy to take this guy down.

02:10:05.000 You have to wait until he gets tired and chain wrestle.

02:10:08.000 One of my weakest blast doubles ever just blew him off his feet and was like...

02:10:12.000 That was kind of easy.

02:10:13.000 But it's different when you got a guy that's used to taking people down, but nobody shoots on him.

02:10:17.000 Right.

02:10:18.000 He wasn't used to that.

02:10:19.000 Right.

02:10:19.000 You watch his fights, the only person I shot him was Jan Blakowicz, and that's when he was tired.

02:10:23.000 He finally got the takedown.

02:10:24.000 Yeah.

02:10:24.000 Everybody else couldn't get it.

02:10:26.000 So it was like, I'm just going to try it.

02:10:28.000 And I went through him, and I was like, oh, man, that was too easy.

02:10:31.000 I told Mark in the corner, like when he had my leg in the corner, like, you got to defend it, you got to defend it.

02:10:35.000 I could feel when we hit the cage, and my wizard was so tight, and he had the leg.

02:10:39.000 I looked at her car, and I was like...

02:10:41.000 And he asked me in the corner, why was you shaking your head?

02:10:42.000 Like, he wasn't taking me down.

02:10:43.000 He's not going to take me down.

02:10:44.000 I can tell from the way he entered.

02:10:46.000 I trained with Nick Catone, and he was another UFC vet. 1.00

02:10:48.000 He's a fucking monster when it comes to wrestling. 0.97

02:10:50.000 Him and Chris Wyman, two toughest dudes I've ever wrestled in the MMA game. 0.99

02:10:55.000 And I knew from when he entered in, he was nothing compared to those guys.

02:10:58.000 I just looked at Riccardo and shook my head.

02:11:00.000 And Nick knew, because he was in the corner too, he knew.

02:11:02.000 He could tell in my confidence.

02:11:03.000 I wasn't worried.

02:11:04.000 He's not getting me down.

02:11:05.000 And after that, it was over.

02:11:07.000 So this brain tap thing, float tank one week before the fight, the last week, do you have any other rituals that you do that you make sure you keep your head and your body in check?

02:11:18.000 I mean, like I said, I'm always doing physical therapy because, like I said, my body is so beat up.

02:11:22.000 I've been competing since third grade.

02:11:23.000 Ice baths.

02:11:23.000 Ice baths every Sunday night.

02:11:25.000 After I do all that, I go home and relax, and that night before I go to bed, 20 minutes in the tub where I used to sit there.

02:11:31.000 I do cryotherapy twice a week.

02:11:33.000 Once or twice a week.

02:11:34.000 All training camp.

02:11:36.000 Therapy twice a week.

02:11:37.000 I do a massage every Sunday.

02:11:39.000 You know, I got a lady that used to train at our gym. 1.00

02:11:41.000 Amazing. 0.99

02:11:42.000 You ever fuck with yoga? 1.00

02:11:43.000 Yeah, I do that too. 0.99

02:11:44.000 Every once in a while closer to get that flexibility.

02:11:46.000 Hot yoga helps me get some pounds off a little easier so I can rehydrate more before sparring.

02:11:50.000 I do that Friday night with Saturday sparring so I'm more limber to throw kicks and stuff on my final spar throughout the week.

02:11:56.000 So, you know.

02:11:57.000 I got different places and companies I reached out to, and they helped me, I helped them.

02:12:01.000 That's awesome.

02:12:02.000 So, where are you at right now?

02:12:05.000 First of all, what is going on with that knuckle? 1.00

02:12:07.000 Holy shit! 0.99

02:12:08.000 That's from Glover's forehead. 1.00

02:12:09.000 I hit him with an uppercut. 0.51

02:12:11.000 Show everybody.

02:12:12.000 Put your hand up so they can see right in front of you.

02:12:15.000 Look at that knuckle, folks. 0.92

02:12:18.000 That's an evil knuckle.

02:12:19.000 Yeah, I ruptured the tendon with an uppercut on Glover in the third round.

02:12:23.000 And I remember when Mark was calling a combo.

02:12:25.000 He said, I can't remember the combo.

02:12:26.000 He said, and I hit him.

02:12:27.000 My hand went to the right hand.

02:12:28.000 I was like, ah!

02:12:29.000 And I brought him and I looked down with my hand up.

02:12:30.000 And this finger was like stuck out like that.

02:12:32.000 I remember shaking my head to Mark like, nope, we rustling.

02:12:35.000 Wow.

02:12:36.000 He was trying to shake my hand like, ah!

02:12:37.000 I slapped my hand in his hand.

02:12:38.000 His hand is messed up.

02:12:39.000 I think I dislocated my finger.

02:12:40.000 He went in the back, oh, just dislocated you.

02:12:42.000 We popped it back.

02:12:43.000 I couldn't get it.

02:12:44.000 And we kept trying to just keep them taped together and keep it straight.

02:12:46.000 It'd get better.

02:12:47.000 And it never did.

02:12:48.000 And I remember my wife was like, don't move it.

02:12:50.000 Don't move it.

02:12:51.000 You got to quit moving.

02:12:51.000 I was doing this, like doing exercises mentally.

02:12:53.000 Like it might hurt now.

02:12:54.000 If I get used to it, it never hurt again.

02:12:56.000 Did you ever go to a doctor?

02:12:57.000 Yeah.

02:12:57.000 I went and I rubbed the tendon.

02:12:59.000 And the tendon from here rolled all the way up.

02:13:00.000 And that's what that is.

02:13:01.000 It rolled up.

02:13:01.000 And it was already fat because I broke the finger in college.

02:13:04.000 The tendon rolled up?

02:13:04.000 Yeah.

02:13:04.000 So all this, that's why it's like curved.

02:13:06.000 Like when it go down.

02:13:07.000 So was there anything they could do for it?

02:13:09.000 They said we can straighten out and put a pin to attach it, but I wouldn't be able to bend my hand like this.

02:13:14.000 For how long?

02:13:15.000 It'd be kind of like it wouldn't bend all the way anymore if I did that.

02:13:19.000 That's what they said.

02:13:19.000 If you do that, you won't be able to fight.

02:13:21.000 It's kind of hard to fight like that.

02:13:23.000 Because I guess the pin is kind of long, so it makes that joint not bend all the way.

02:13:27.000 But when I went to the doctor, they did that.

02:13:29.000 They was like, hold on.

02:13:30.000 They did the x-ray and MRI. I was like, that makes no sense.

02:13:33.000 This tendon is how you move this finger.

02:13:36.000 So how the hell are you moving your finger?

02:13:38.000 There's no tension.

02:13:39.000 I was like, I don't know.

02:13:40.000 When it was taped together, I just kept doing it in Germany while I was on my vacation with my wife.

02:13:43.000 I just kept doing it.

02:13:44.000 Exercising.

02:13:44.000 She's like, well, I guess it's a good thing you did that because if you wouldn't, it would have hardened up in here and this joint would have been immobilized.

02:13:51.000 I wouldn't be able to use it.

02:13:51.000 But the fact that I kept doing it while it was fresh, I'm still able to move it.

02:13:56.000 Wow.

02:13:56.000 That's the craziest looking finger I've ever seen in my life.

02:13:59.000 That's like a triple finger. 0.74

02:14:01.000 That's nuts, man.

02:14:02.000 That's a wild-looking joint. 0.99

02:14:04.000 And does that fuck with your grappling or anything? 0.99

02:14:07.000 Nothing? 0.98

02:14:07.000 It's hard as a rock now. 0.98

02:14:08.000 It doesn't bother me at all.

02:14:09.000 Wow.

02:14:10.000 It's crazy-looking, man.

02:14:12.000 I think it's a weapon now.

02:14:13.000 Could a glove come right here if I throw a hook with my right hand? 0.82

02:14:16.000 Right in your eye socket.

02:14:17.000 Right, it's all calcified, right?

02:14:19.000 Yeah.

02:14:20.000 So, where are you at right now in terms of, like, when does the UFC usually come to you with an idea of who you're going to fight next?

02:14:27.000 Obviously, you beat Latife.

02:14:28.000 He was top five?

02:14:29.000 Mm-hmm.

02:14:30.000 Yeah, so you're...

02:14:31.000 I beat three and five.

02:14:32.000 What do they got you ranked now?

02:14:34.000 Eighth or ninth.

02:14:35.000 How's that work?

02:14:36.000 You tell me. 0.99

02:14:36.000 How the fuck are you not five? 0.99

02:14:38.000 Ask them, how is Corey Anderson not in the top five when I beat the number three and the five? 0.99

02:14:42.000 When I beat three, they put me at six.

02:14:44.000 I don't understand.

02:14:45.000 I beat five, they put me at six.

02:14:46.000 Like...

02:14:47.000 I beat Glover, and I went to 6th.

02:14:49.000 By the time I fought, I was 10th.

02:14:51.000 That night in Cali, I was ranked 10th again.

02:14:53.000 How the hell does that happen?

02:14:54.000 Then I beat a leader who was 6th, or 5th, or 4th, and I went to 6th.

02:15:00.000 And then a week later, I was at 7th.

02:15:02.000 The next week it came out, I was like, hey, this makes no sense.

02:15:06.000 Especially if there's no fights.

02:15:08.000 If fights haven't happened, I don't even care.

02:15:11.000 Well, you're clearly top ten.

02:15:13.000 Whatever number that is, you've got a murderer's row of people in that division.

02:15:18.000 So when do you think they'll come to you with an offer for another fight?

02:15:22.000 Well, they wanted me to fight Gus.

02:15:24.000 At the time, like I said, after the fight on the microphone, I don't want to fight anything else until my baby's here.

02:15:30.000 When the baby's here and everything's checked out, I don't want to have to be in camp and stress this and this.

02:15:33.000 Once that's all done, we can talk.

02:15:35.000 And they called me a couple weeks later about Gus, because he tweeted me and had them ask me on Ariel, and I said the same thing, like, I'm waiting until my baby's done.

02:15:43.000 That was March 15th.

02:15:44.000 The due date of my baby was March 12th.

02:15:46.000 Like, it's too close.

02:15:47.000 Not risking that, you know?

02:15:48.000 Then it's like, alright, what about June 1st?

02:15:50.000 And I was just saying, let me...

02:15:51.000 Can I finish with my baby and stuff?

02:15:52.000 I'm not really even training.

02:15:53.000 I'm at home with my wife.

02:15:54.000 I'm doing a little bit here and there, but I'm worried about her now.

02:15:56.000 She's been with me.

02:15:57.000 I died this whole time.

02:15:58.000 Now's my time to focus on her, what she needs.

02:16:01.000 She didn't want me away, so I'm here.

02:16:03.000 And they kept calling.

02:16:04.000 I kept calling.

02:16:05.000 I just kept saying no.

02:16:06.000 No.

02:16:07.000 No.

02:16:07.000 And they kept asking me.

02:16:08.000 I was like, I mean, what if we get more money?

02:16:11.000 My wife's like, if we get more, we'll take it. 1.00

02:16:14.000 If they give you more, I'll let you go.

02:16:15.000 We can start camp or whatever.

02:16:17.000 If they give you more, we'll do it.

02:16:19.000 They said, oh, no, we're not doing that.

02:16:20.000 I was like, all right, we didn't wait.

02:16:21.000 Let me finish this.

02:16:23.000 Literally, my baby came out, and I felt that.

02:16:27.000 I asked the doctor, everything fine.

02:16:28.000 They did the test.

02:16:29.000 Everything came back clear.

02:16:30.000 Like, there's no problems.

02:16:31.000 We don't have to go to the doctor's, nothing.

02:16:32.000 She's like, you're fine.

02:16:32.000 You got a healthy baby boy.

02:16:34.000 Congratulations.

02:16:35.000 Literally, picked my phone up, tweeted Gus.

02:16:37.000 Gus, you still want to go June 1st?

02:16:40.000 You want to do it?

02:16:40.000 I'm your Huckleberry.

02:16:41.000 Let's go.

02:16:42.000 London, I'll come.

02:16:43.000 Yes, Corey.

02:16:44.000 You know I wanted to fight.

02:16:45.000 Let's do it.

02:16:45.000 Ali called me.

02:16:46.000 It's on.

02:16:47.000 His manager has called me.

02:16:48.000 We wanted to fight.

02:16:48.000 Let's do it.

02:16:49.000 June 1st.

02:16:50.000 Same pay.

02:16:51.000 No raise.

02:16:52.000 No nothing.

02:16:52.000 Whatever I was getting.

02:16:53.000 Let's go.

02:16:54.000 Text Dana.

02:16:55.000 Literally, they called me the day before.

02:16:57.000 On my way to the hospital, I get a call from Ali.

02:16:58.000 They want to know if you want to fight.

02:17:00.000 Bro, I'm on my way.

02:17:00.000 I'll call you after.

02:17:01.000 We'll figure it out.

02:17:02.000 I say yes.

02:17:03.000 Less than 25 hours later, they say no.

02:17:04.000 We're giving it to Anthony Smith now. 0.99

02:17:05.000 What the fuck y'all called me for yesterday? 0.99

02:17:08.000 Harassing me all this camp. 0.99

02:17:09.000 Now I say yes and you're taking it away?

02:17:10.000 Like, why y'all?

02:17:11.000 What's going on?

02:17:13.000 And that made me mad.

02:17:15.000 Then they called me for Luke Rockhold.

02:17:16.000 Like, I'm not, no.

02:17:17.000 I'm not taking a step back.

02:17:18.000 Like, I want to be here for the title.

02:17:19.000 If I beat Luke, what are they going to say?

02:17:21.000 Because I guess if they told Ali, if I beat Glover, since he was going to fight a Lear, that put me in contention for title fight. 0.80

02:17:26.000 They gave me a new contract and everything with all that in it.

02:17:29.000 Signed it.

02:17:29.000 Then I said, oh, he need one more fight.

02:17:31.000 Then I was like, all right, make him in a Lear fight.

02:17:33.000 And Ali said no, because he managed both of us.

02:17:35.000 Don't you think that Luke Rockhold is a good fight for you?

02:17:37.000 I mean, he's a former champion.

02:17:38.000 He's a great fighter.

02:17:39.000 But it would definitely elevate you in the public's eye.

02:17:42.000 You don't think it would help you?

02:17:43.000 You don't think it would help you in your rankings?

02:17:45.000 No.

02:17:46.000 Rank is what?

02:17:47.000 No.

02:17:48.000 You would think Lira Latif would have helped me in the rankings. 1.00

02:17:50.000 Can't go over.

02:17:50.000 I don't buy that because I think that rankings, even if it's not 1-10, any one of those guys can fight for the title.

02:17:58.000 Like Tiago, Tiago Santos.

02:18:01.000 He lost to David Branch, what, a year ago?

02:18:04.000 At a middleweight?

02:18:05.000 Same as I beat Pat Cummins.

02:18:07.000 Yeah.

02:18:08.000 And now he's fighting for the title.

02:18:11.000 I mean, it was a quick ascension from, you know, devastating knockouts and fighting like a wild maniac like he does.

02:18:17.000 He's a wild fighter to watch.

02:18:18.000 Very entertaining guy.

02:18:20.000 That's all it took.

02:18:21.000 Yeah, but who was the name?

02:18:22.000 He didn't have to be the big name guy.

02:18:24.000 That's the thing.

02:18:24.000 He beat Jan Blackwood, who I killed on my fourth fight in the UFC. He beat Jimmy.

02:18:28.000 Beat Jimmy Manoa.

02:18:30.000 Stopped him.

02:18:31.000 Eric Anders and the other guy were both 85ers. 0.72

02:18:33.000 True.

02:18:33.000 So he had two fights.

02:18:34.000 It's because he had a knockout.

02:18:36.000 That's the thing, like I said, I told him.

02:18:37.000 Ali was like, bro, it's a good fight.

02:18:38.000 He said, same thing you said.

02:18:40.000 It's a good fight.

02:18:40.000 Like, Ali, let's look at who I fought.

02:18:42.000 I beat Glover, who was third.

02:18:43.000 They still didn't put me in a top fight.

02:18:44.000 I beat a little TV where they say it's next to beat the champ, whatever.

02:18:47.000 When I beat him, they still don't give me the credibility.

02:18:49.000 It's like, oh, he's washed up now.

02:18:50.000 I put a tweet out.

02:18:51.000 I was like, I apologize to anybody that I beat because once you lose to me, it's kind of like you're a nobody.

02:18:56.000 I'm like, I'm sorry for that.

02:18:57.000 Tom Lawler posted a thing the other day saying, oh, these guys all fail.

02:19:00.000 They get six months.

02:19:01.000 I fail for the same thing.

02:19:02.000 I get two years.

02:19:03.000 I said, I'm sorry, Tom.

02:19:04.000 It's because you lost to me.

02:19:05.000 I think that says if you lose to me, you get the short end of the stick.

02:19:09.000 I'm sorry. 1.00

02:19:09.000 It's just, though, the same thing as having that asshole coach when you're in college. 1.00

02:19:14.000 Is it in the same way? 1.00

02:19:15.000 Exactly. 0.90

02:19:16.000 And that's why I answer back to tweets and shit, because in my head, things like that that I've been through, even though I should have learned by now, it doesn't matter.

02:19:23.000 But in my mind, I voiced my opinions to that coach, and when I proved it wrong, I ran into his assistant coach later on in life, and he said, he doesn't really like you anymore. 0.67

02:19:30.000 Because the guy actually I fought in the Ultimate Fighter was his best friend, Kelly Knudson, one of his All-Americans.

02:19:34.000 He used to call him back when I was in college trying to discipline me. 0.90

02:19:37.000 If I did some shit to piss him off, he would have Kelly come in and try to beat me up. 0.98

02:19:42.000 Never happened. 1.00

02:19:43.000 He couldn't beat me up like that.

02:19:45.000 He used to get pissed at that.

02:19:46.000 So the fact that he thought he had a hold on me with this transcript and I got out. 0.78

02:19:50.000 And then I end up fighting Kelly on the show, and he said to him probably one time, he'd kill you in MMA. He'd kill you in MMA. Well, the opportunity came, and I beat him. 0.94

02:19:58.000 And somebody told me, like, yeah, he wasn't happy about that.

02:20:01.000 He didn't like the fact that you beat Kelly.

02:20:02.000 Like, I'm sorry.

02:20:03.000 I don't do things for him.

02:20:05.000 But this thing where you don't feel like you're getting the respect that you deserve, it does motivate you, though.

02:20:11.000 It does give you, like, a little bit of extra juice in the gym.

02:20:13.000 I mean, I'm a motivated guy anyway.

02:20:15.000 Highly motivated.

02:20:16.000 The moment I open my eyes, it's time to get to work.

02:20:19.000 So your son's born.

02:20:21.000 Anthony Smith survived against John Jones, and especially early on, he looked good.

02:20:28.000 Showed good technique.

02:20:29.000 Showed that he's really a world-class fighter.

02:20:31.000 And I think that they just think that that would be...

02:20:33.000 He probably said yes when you said no, and they gave it to him while you were waiting and your son was being born.

02:20:38.000 So now you're just waiting for another call.

02:20:41.000 Yeah, but the thing is, like, go back to that real fast.

02:20:43.000 He said yes, and he said no.

02:20:45.000 I watched this interview, excuse me, with Ariel Hawane, and they said the day after he fought John Jones, they called him about Anthony Smith, or about Gus.

02:20:53.000 So that was about the same time they was calling me.

02:20:55.000 So it's kind of like they were just throwing it out there, and then Ali said...

02:20:59.000 I guess they offered it to Johnny Walker.

02:21:00.000 Johnny Walker's manager made a post.

02:21:02.000 I've seen that.

02:21:03.000 They offered us guts.

02:21:04.000 They were just throwing it out there for whoever's going to be the first person to say yes.

02:21:07.000 Well, they probably have a bunch of people say yes and then they sit down and they go over it.

02:21:11.000 Like, what looks best for us?

02:21:12.000 Like, what do we have?

02:21:14.000 I'm not a matchmaker, obviously.

02:21:16.000 You know what goes on.

02:21:17.000 I sort of barely do, man.

02:21:19.000 I'm telling you, I know as little as anybody should in my position.

02:21:23.000 That's right, you're an independent contractor.

02:21:26.000 Legitimately. 0.99

02:21:27.000 I have no fucking say. 0.98

02:21:28.000 Look, if they listened to me, first of all, there'd be no more weight cutting, and there'd be weight classes every 10 pounds. 0.99

02:21:33.000 That's what I would fix.

02:21:34.000 I would fix that right away.

02:21:36.000 I would do the same sort of hydration testing that one FC does, let people fight at their natural weight, so you don't have these ridiculous 40-pound weight cuts.

02:21:44.000 Did you see Brandon Davis in his last fight?

02:21:47.000 He fought at 135. I saw his fight, but I didn't see the weight cut.

02:21:50.000 He looked fantastic.

02:21:51.000 He looked pretty skinny.

02:21:52.000 He's giant!

02:21:55.000 At 135, I'm standing next to him. 0.99

02:21:57.000 I'm like, how the fuck are you 135 pounds? 0.99

02:22:00.000 He looks like he's 170. That's like Montel Jackson, too, yo. 0.99

02:22:03.000 I know him probably about the same height as me. 0.93

02:22:05.000 Crazy. 0.90

02:22:06.000 Like, how the hell you make 135? 0.98

02:22:07.000 With giant hands.

02:22:09.000 Yeah. 0.88

02:22:09.000 Like, you're a grown-ass man. 0.88

02:22:10.000 Montel's got basketball palming hands. 0.58

02:22:12.000 He's got hands bigger than, for instance, the guy.

02:22:14.000 Yes, he does.

02:22:15.000 They're huge.

02:22:16.000 And a 35-pounder man.

02:22:18.000 And he fights smart, too.

02:22:20.000 Smart and technical.

02:22:21.000 Yeah, I watched him on the regional circuit.

02:22:22.000 He fought in my hometown a few times.

02:22:24.000 I would go there, special guest, and watch.

02:22:25.000 And I saw him.

02:22:26.000 He was fighting amateur.

02:22:27.000 And I told Gene, like, this kid could be good.

02:22:28.000 He trained up in Milwaukee, but not Rufus Sport.

02:22:31.000 Red Schafer's at the time.

02:22:32.000 Yeah.

02:22:33.000 And I saw him, I used to go up there and train with her.

02:22:34.000 And I watched him, like, hitting pads and doing stuff.

02:22:37.000 He's funky.

02:22:37.000 He could be good when he go pro.

02:22:38.000 He could be a champion.

02:22:39.000 And then, sure, his first fight went the way it did.

02:22:41.000 And then, Cali, I remember seeing him in a hotel, like, Montel, let me holler at you real fast.

02:22:45.000 Like, you know, I know you.

02:22:46.000 I done seen you fight, bro.

02:22:47.000 Go out there and do what you do. 0.99

02:22:49.000 You're fucking good. 1.00

02:22:50.000 Like, hit this dude as much as you can. 1.00

02:22:52.000 When he force a shot. 0.99

02:22:53.000 Get a submission.

02:22:53.000 And you can't finish him with ground and pound.

02:22:55.000 You can finish this dude.

02:22:56.000 Like, I got you, bro.

02:22:57.000 Thank you.

02:22:57.000 And he went out there and did it in the back.

02:22:58.000 I was like, man, I was surprised.

02:22:59.000 Like, I'm not.

02:23:00.000 I knew that.

02:23:01.000 I've seen what he's done in the gym.

02:23:02.000 I know what he can do.

02:23:03.000 He's special.

02:23:04.000 He really is.

02:23:05.000 He's got real potential.

02:23:06.000 But he doesn't freak me out as much as Brandon Davis turns a weight cut.

02:23:10.000 He looks healthy at his weight.

02:23:11.000 Brandon Davis, I couldn't believe that he ever weighed 135. When I'm looking at him, I'm like, you're so big for that weight.

02:23:19.000 And he was 45 before that.

02:23:20.000 And apparently the PI, UFC Performance Institute, they're the ones who talked him into going to 35. They're like, you can make the cut.

02:23:27.000 He was more than 160 when he was in the octagon.

02:23:31.000 I heard him say, I'm about 160 now.

02:23:33.000 If the PI said he can make it, that's good because when I went there, at one point, coming off the OSP or Jimmy, I can't remember, Mark and I was like, oh, you're always thinking about 85. 85?

02:23:43.000 Yeah.

02:23:43.000 Coach, you got me off 300 pounds.

02:23:44.000 I was like, well, maybe.

02:23:45.000 I tried a test cut, it didn't go well, but now the PI was here.

02:23:48.000 So I emailed them and went out there and we did a test and Clint and Bo both said, well, Clint, Bo told me to just get stronger.

02:23:54.000 Clint was like, I'm going to tell you right now, because I've seen your numbers compared to other numbers.

02:23:57.000 You walk around smaller, but when you put your own system, your numbers is like, you're like leaner than most of these guys.

02:24:03.000 You can make 85, but you'll probably like die.

02:24:05.000 Like it wouldn't be healthy at all.

02:24:07.000 It wouldn't be worth it.

02:24:08.000 Well, so many guys like...

02:24:09.000 Dustin Poirier, so many guys going up in weight class have been the best thing that's ever happened to them.

02:24:15.000 Jorge Masvidal, so many guys, they go up to 70, they just look better.

02:24:18.000 Robert Whitaker.

02:24:19.000 Whitaker's perfect example.

02:24:20.000 Champ now.

02:24:21.000 Champ.

02:24:21.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that it's a bad environment when there's 20-pound weight gaps between like 85 and 205, or even 15 between 55 and 70. These are giant weight gaps.

02:24:34.000 That's too much weight.

02:24:35.000 You got to think from 205 to 85, that's 20 pounds.

02:24:38.000 You're like, oh, you can make it.

02:24:39.000 Did you see me when I'm on a scale of 205?

02:24:42.000 It ain't like I'm still flat, like my abs is popping, like my cheekbones.

02:24:46.000 What do you think I'm going to look at at 20 extra pounds? 0.98

02:24:48.000 Oh, you'd be a dead man. 0.99

02:24:49.000 Yeah, you'd look like a dead man. 0.99

02:24:50.000 I mean, you'd have to literally do something to your body.

02:24:54.000 You'd have to run marathon distances.

02:24:57.000 Brandon was running like 20 miles a day.

02:24:59.000 Brandon Davis before that fight.

02:25:01.000 That's Carl Robeson.

02:25:02.000 He was a big 85er. 0.98

02:25:03.000 He fought 205 on contender, but he wasn't solid at 205. You could see he still had more body fat or stuff he could get off.

02:25:12.000 I remember going out to the PI and they said, you're going to become a marathon runner.

02:25:15.000 What do you mean?

02:25:16.000 They gave him his meal plan.

02:25:18.000 It was very small meals, but you got to run five to three to six miles a day.

02:25:23.000 Then bike after that, another 10 to 15 at night.

02:25:26.000 So that's what we was doing.

02:25:27.000 Like, Sunday, hit me up, like, you ready to go to the park?

02:25:30.000 Yeah, we go bike 15 miles, and I leave, and he go run the thing in a five-mile loop, and I'm like, bro, that's fucking good, because I have to if I want to make weight.

02:25:36.000 But now he's got it down pat, so he doesn't have to do that anymore.

02:25:39.000 He had to get his body to where he's supposed to be, walk around like 205, the 210 max, lean.

02:25:44.000 So when he get into camp, a good two, three-mile run, get him down 201. Now it's just, like, eat right and train.

02:25:50.000 And then suck that last few pounds off. 0.99

02:25:52.000 Yeah, certain people like that. 0.96

02:25:53.000 But when you see me, I see you next to Glover, that's when I really pay attention to it.

02:25:57.000 When I came in at 236 on a two-week notice, we look about the same.

02:26:01.000 We got on a scale, or when we did the face-off, and then we turned the side, we kind of see he's thinner.

02:26:06.000 But I got my torso, and everything is thick.

02:26:08.000 Because I was 300 pounds at one point.

02:26:11.000 I don't lose that frame.

02:26:12.000 Did you ever think about heavyweight?

02:26:14.000 In the UFC, Mark has said it before.

02:26:16.000 He even said, like, bro, 85, 205, and heavyweight.

02:26:21.000 85 is like 205ers. 0.69

02:26:22.000 That's a little smaller, faster, but they don't hit as hard as they do in 205. In heavyweight, they hit hard, but they're a lot slower and faster than 205. You can go up, and I think you still do great.

02:26:32.000 And if you go down, I think if you rehydrate it right back up, you just go through everybody.

02:26:37.000 But...

02:26:38.000 I like 205. Like I said, I haven't been dominated.

02:26:40.000 Until somebody showed me I don't need to be here, I'm not going anywhere.

02:26:44.000 Well, especially when you're walking around at 235, that's really the weight class for you is 205. If you feel great and healthy at that weight, why fuck around? 0.99

02:26:52.000 The heavyweight division is so strange, too, because it's got a weight limit. 0.99

02:26:56.000 265 always weirded me out.

02:26:58.000 Why is there a weight limit?

02:26:59.000 There should probably be a 225, and then there should be an unlimited. 0.99

02:27:04.000 It should be as big as you fucking get. 0.96

02:27:07.000 A bunch of butterballs just rolling around each other. 0.99

02:27:10.000 Maybe.

02:27:10.000 That'd probably be boring.

02:27:11.000 Or giant dudes like Ngannou that don't even have to cut weight.

02:27:16.000 Curtis Blaze, I know he was a big one.

02:27:17.000 He's huge.

02:27:18.000 Before he came in, yeah.

02:27:18.000 I recruited him in college and I seen him in high school.

02:27:21.000 He was big.

02:27:22.000 Then, who's another one?

02:27:25.000 Juan something.

02:27:25.000 He just came in from the Contender.

02:27:27.000 Light-skinned dude with the Afro. 1.00

02:27:29.000 Real crazy. 0.91

02:27:29.000 He fought in Milwaukee, the Milwaukee car. 0.91

02:27:32.000 Heavyweight.

02:27:32.000 He fought my buddy in the Contender.

02:27:34.000 They went out there three weeks before, and he was like 290-something.

02:27:38.000 Three weeks before, my teammate was like 250 already.

02:27:41.000 I told him like, bro, this ain't going to be no regional fight.

02:27:44.000 You need to come ready.

02:27:45.000 This dude is huge.

02:27:46.000 When he hits you, he's hitting you.

02:27:48.000 And if he gets you to the ground, he's Donkey Kong-ing you.

02:27:50.000 I had seen film on him and Curtis Blaze hit me up about him when he first started fighting pro.

02:27:55.000 I've seen film, but looking at how big this kid is, it's not going to be a fight you're used to.

02:28:00.000 Sure enough, I think my guy took it like, he's big, but he's not going to be as fast as me. 1.00

02:28:06.000 Shit. 0.99

02:28:07.000 He rehydrated up, but he was athletic. 1.00

02:28:10.000 That was not a fight to watch.

02:28:13.000 Lessons learned.

02:28:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:28:14.000 Now, if you were running shit, if Corey Anderson's president of the UFC, what would you change? 0.99

02:28:20.000 The rankings. 0.99

02:28:21.000 The rankings.

02:28:22.000 Go back to where it was.

02:28:23.000 If you beat this guy, you move up.

02:28:25.000 Yeah.

02:28:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:25.000 Why do they do it now?

02:28:26.000 They do it based on, like, journalists?

02:28:27.000 I have no clue who runs it.

02:28:28.000 Yeah, something like that.

02:28:29.000 Something like that?

02:28:30.000 A bunch of dudes vote for it.

02:28:31.000 That's what they say.

02:28:32.000 Yeah.

02:28:32.000 In my mind, I feel like I think somebody in the UFC still has something to do with it, but they swear up and down.

02:28:37.000 Every time I say something, I'll be like, it's not them, bro.

02:28:39.000 It's somebody else, but...

02:28:41.000 I don't know.

02:28:41.000 Because even Mick, after the Glover fight, he told me, like, bro, that was a hell of a fight.

02:28:45.000 Thank you for stepping in.

02:28:46.000 You've definitely been in the top five.

02:28:47.000 And I said in the interview, like, I should be top five, but I got a feeling I won't be.

02:28:50.000 And everybody in the interview, like, that sounds crazy.

02:28:52.000 You just beat the number three.

02:28:52.000 You'll definitely be top five.

02:28:54.000 Wednesday came out number six.

02:28:55.000 And people were like, how does that make sense?

02:28:57.000 Then I'd be a leader.

02:28:58.000 It's like, oh, there's no question.

02:28:58.000 You'll be top five.

02:28:59.000 But if everything starts going great for you and growing the right way, do you think you'd be like, well, what the fuck am I fighting against now? 0.90

02:29:06.000 That's why I made a tweet.

02:29:07.000 Somebody posted before, like, I'm just saying how Corey's steady dropping down the rankings when you got guys like Diamond Rez.

02:29:13.000 He beat Volcom, who was four.

02:29:14.000 And everybody said, he lost that fight.

02:29:16.000 Volcom was six, actually, or something like that.

02:29:18.000 He lost that fight, but he jumped up to four.

02:29:20.000 Like, how is he?

02:29:21.000 He won off decision.

02:29:22.000 Like, oh, it's because you lose or win on decision.

02:29:23.000 They don't move rankings up for decision.

02:29:25.000 Then he won off decision.

02:29:26.000 He went up to number four.

02:29:27.000 And somebody said, how is that even possible?

02:29:29.000 I said, it's to the point now.

02:29:30.000 I can't worry about fighting people that's in charge of the rankings and my opponent.

02:29:33.000 Because if I worry about both of them, I'm not focused on something.

02:29:36.000 So I'm just worried about the opponent.

02:29:37.000 I'm just going to keep beating whoever they put in front of me.

02:29:39.000 and eventually if they keep trying to put these guys up to fight John, like off knockouts, like you said, Anthony Smith, he knocked out Rashad Shogun and then choked out Vulcan.

02:29:48.000 He went up to John and he had none on the ground, all that extra stuff.

02:29:52.000 It's good when you're knocking guys out.

02:29:54.000 I think it's going to be the same thing with Santo.

02:29:55.000 He knows if we're knocking guys out, but his losses in 85, other than Branch, he lost Eric Spicely on the ground.

02:30:02.000 John's good on the ground.

02:30:03.000 John's going to take him down.

02:30:04.000 As soon as you come running to me, if you hit him once, John's going to take you down and he ain't going to have no answer.

02:30:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:09.000 If you don't have everything tested by the time...

02:30:12.000 When it's time to go to the championship fight, if you can't do nothing in striking, it's over.

02:30:16.000 Tiago to me seems like, I mean, he's a very dangerous guy, but almost like so aggressive that he's almost like a kamikaze guy.

02:30:24.000 Like he's do or die, like kill or be killed.

02:30:26.000 He comes in just swinging, throwing hammers. 0.99

02:30:29.000 And if he connects, it's dangerous.

02:30:31.000 If he connects, it's bad for everybody.

02:30:33.000 But he might not connect.

02:30:35.000 That's kind of how he is.

02:30:37.000 He's a wild card.

02:30:40.000 That's the best way to put it.

02:30:41.000 He could connect on John. 0.92

02:30:43.000 If John fucks around, and I don't think he will. 0.91

02:30:46.000 I mean, he hasn't ever before. 0.94

02:30:48.000 Except for the Gustafson fight, I don't think he was prepared as much as he should have.

02:30:52.000 And we saw that in the second fight, where he just dominated him.

02:30:55.000 But I think that if he makes a mistake, Tiago can shut the lights out on anybody.

02:30:59.000 That guy swings.

02:31:01.000 He throws like a sludge hammer.

02:31:03.000 He throws it.

02:31:04.000 He's not trying to make it to the final round.

02:31:05.000 He's not pacing himself.

02:31:07.000 There's none of that.

02:31:07.000 That dude, he comes out hard.

02:31:10.000 But it's like, I think about him as my fight with Lila Chifi.

02:31:13.000 Going into that fight, I knew 100%.

02:31:15.000 Lila, he's going to try to wrestle me.

02:31:16.000 But if he can't take me down, everything is going to be haymakers because he's seen me get touched in the chin and go down a rival.

02:31:21.000 So as long as I keep moving, if I make him miss...

02:31:25.000 He's going to get tired.

02:31:25.000 And he's going to stop throwing those big haymakers.

02:31:27.000 And sometimes when he's swinging, he missed.

02:31:29.000 He almost falls over.

02:31:30.000 And it gives you like the counter or the takedown.

02:31:32.000 That's the thing.

02:31:33.000 In our division, there's so many people, more like rock'em stocking robots, I think, because they got their hands up and they're blocking.

02:31:39.000 It's like, oh, he's not hitting me.

02:31:40.000 But with four-hounds gloves...

02:31:41.000 I was caged out for Ryan Bader and Anthony Johnson.

02:31:46.000 Bader had his hands up, but Rumble was hitting his hands so hard, all of a sudden you see his hands just drop and he was out.

02:31:51.000 It doesn't matter.

02:31:52.000 If you're letting him hit you, there's a chance of still getting wobbled.

02:31:55.000 And I think with John, John's good at evading punches.

02:31:58.000 Most guys stand there blocking counterback or...

02:32:01.000 Try to take a punch and hit you back. 0.98

02:32:02.000 Like, take a punch to give a punch. 1.00

02:32:04.000 John's not that kind.

02:32:05.000 He's going to move, move, move.

02:32:06.000 You swing, he's so long, he can put his hands out and keep you at distance and hit you with those quick, fast, long kicks and stuff.

02:32:13.000 And I just, like you said, I don't see John messing around.

02:32:16.000 He knows it's dangerous.

02:32:17.000 He's smart.

02:32:18.000 I would say John's...

02:32:19.000 Not only the best fighter, but mentally as a mixed martial artist, he sees what's going on really well.

02:32:24.000 He knows how to adapt.

02:32:26.000 He can go out there and try tricky stuff at times when he know, I can try some stuff right here and get away with it because I'm long.

02:32:31.000 Like with the Shogun fight, he went out there and showed up jumping knees, jumping kicks because Shogun was so short.

02:32:36.000 He knew.

02:32:37.000 He said it.

02:32:37.000 I'm a different breed.

02:32:38.000 I'm longer.

02:32:39.000 I'm faster and trickier.

02:32:40.000 But I think when it comes to a guy like Gus, he didn't do all that stuff, but he knew he had to stay long and evade punches and get a takedown and hit him where you can.

02:32:47.000 Yeah, in the Gus fight, he showed his mettle, right?

02:32:50.000 He showed that he could take it and then win in the championship rounds, even in a fight that he wasn't even really properly prepared for.

02:32:55.000 He showed that in the Vitor Belfort fight, too, when he got caught with that armbar.

02:32:58.000 He overcomes adversity.

02:33:00.000 He's not just the hammer.

02:33:01.000 He knows how to be the nail.

02:33:02.000 He knows how to do it. 1.00

02:33:04.000 Well, listen, Corey, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:33:07.000 I appreciate you coming here. 0.99

02:33:08.000 It was fun.

02:33:09.000 You want to talk hunting?

02:33:10.000 You want to talk hunting more?

02:33:11.000 We did three hours, man.

02:33:12.000 Well, we talked all MMA. Let's get 30 minutes hunting.

02:33:14.000 Let's 30 minutes hunting.

02:33:15.000 Okay, let's do it.

02:33:18.000 I want to talk hunting.

02:33:19.000 Fighting is fun.

02:33:20.000 I'm a hunter.

02:33:21.000 You told me you're going on your first elk hunting trip this year.

02:33:24.000 Yep.

02:33:24.000 Getting out to Montana.

02:33:26.000 Where part is it around?

02:33:27.000 I can't remember.

02:33:29.000 He gave me the codes to put into the DNR site.

02:33:32.000 Are you using a different set?

02:33:33.000 Because you're using a light setup out there, but that's for Target, right?

02:33:37.000 Here I got the...

02:33:39.000 60 pounds.

02:33:40.000 Yeah, 60. Just like 62 or 63. And how many grains, arrows?

02:33:42.000 Less than...

02:33:43.000 260. Yeah, that's a really light arrow, man.

02:33:46.000 I'll use...

02:33:46.000 When I go out there for elk hunt, I use either 300. So I got the grizzly stick weighted tips, whatever.

02:33:51.000 300 grains, that's it.

02:33:53.000 That's usually what I shoot.

02:33:54.000 300 grains.

02:33:55.000 I shoot 525. 525 grains.

02:33:59.000 I should pull 84 pounds.

02:34:01.000 I like heavy arrows.

02:34:02.000 Like, is that with the tip and everything in it?

02:34:04.000 I don't know what it is with the answer.

02:34:05.000 I just know it's 300 weight.

02:34:07.000 I don't weigh in.

02:34:08.000 Yeah, with everything.

02:34:08.000 Yeah, I have to get the scale.

02:34:10.000 I make my own arrows in the basement and all that, but I just don't have the scale to see how much I weigh at the end.

02:34:15.000 Are you trying to do that for speed?

02:34:16.000 Is that why you have the light grains?

02:34:18.000 That's just what the guy, my guy Aces and Arrows hats.

02:34:21.000 I'm wearing actually in Vegas.

02:34:23.000 I'm going to connect you to John Dudley.

02:34:24.000 I know you've already talked to him, but I want to get you guys together.

02:34:27.000 Next time you're anywhere near here, or if you're in Vegas and he's in Vegas, I'm going to get you guys together and have him coach you and help you.

02:34:34.000 Because I already see that you're very accurate.

02:34:37.000 When we're playing Techno Hunt, you're scoring in the vitals every single time, except for one body shot.

02:34:46.000 But even that's a dead elk where you hit it.

02:34:48.000 But John can help you tremendously. 1.00

02:34:50.000 He'll tighten up your shit. 1.00

02:34:54.000 I see his videos. 1.00

02:34:55.000 I study that stuff all the time.

02:34:57.000 He's like the Mark Henry of archery.

02:34:59.000 I see it.

02:35:00.000 That 100-yard shot through the kettlebell on the target.

02:35:03.000 I tell my friends all the time, that was the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

02:35:05.000 The hole was this big.

02:35:06.000 At 100 yards, he went through and the arrow only broke because of the vibration.

02:35:09.000 It's like you don't see people shooting.

02:35:12.000 Cam is good too, but I'm not saying he couldn't do it.

02:35:15.000 Cam could do it too.

02:35:16.000 He posts videos shooting through kettlebells and lessons like that.

02:35:19.000 No, he posts some crazy videos too, but I mean, it's just that level of commitment where they're just constantly training, constantly doing.

02:35:26.000 And John is also just such a fantastic coach.

02:35:29.000 You know, he's so good at understanding archery fundamentals and explaining it to you, positioning, and it's very much like martial arts in that you make a few little changes and it does the world of difference.

02:35:42.000 I'm willing to learn.

02:35:43.000 Like I said, most of the time, I'm learning on the fly.

02:35:46.000 My dad, we learned how to shoot together when I was like 12. One of his buddies was like, oh, you ever did archery?

02:35:51.000 Took me to the range, got me a browning when I was a kid.

02:35:55.000 I was shooting at it, 3D shooting with him.

02:35:57.000 It's kind of like what I learned was from what he learned.

02:36:00.000 But if you know my dad, everything other than work, everything is kind of like ghetto. 0.97

02:36:04.000 I used to call him the ghetto cowboy. 0.96

02:36:05.000 We had horses and everything.

02:36:07.000 And it was just like the way you see people do it on TV and whatnot.

02:36:10.000 It was not the way my dad learned how to arrange horses and grab horses and saddle them up.

02:36:14.000 And everything was kind of ghetto. 0.81

02:36:15.000 So I was the ghetto cowboy, you know?

02:36:18.000 So now when I go back from things I learned and I tell him, because like you said, you see my Instagram, I'm all hunting.

02:36:23.000 If I ain't fighting, I'm hunting.

02:36:24.000 Constantly.

02:36:25.000 He's like, where'd you learn this?

02:36:26.000 It's just watching videos.

02:36:27.000 And I go hunting with somebody else.

02:36:29.000 Instead of talking, like I talk about what I know, but most of the time I listen to guys talk.

02:36:33.000 And I ask a question like, yeah, like I don't know what it is, but I make it seem like I do.

02:36:36.000 But yes, what are you thinking about that?

02:36:38.000 And they break it down.

02:36:38.000 I had no clue about that.

02:36:40.000 You know what I mean?

02:36:41.000 Learn how to field dress my first deer in Texas with these guys, Hero Sports, a bunch of veterans.

02:36:45.000 We go out.

02:36:46.000 They asked me and Justin Gaethje, that's how I got close with Gaethje, hunting with those guys.

02:36:50.000 We got with veterans with amputated legs or mental problems, whatever.

02:36:54.000 Just listen to their story and we kill a deer. 0.96

02:36:56.000 Like they've been hunting their whole life.

02:36:57.000 They grew up as kids, so field dressing and how to call and like you shooting the rifle.

02:37:02.000 Like, oh, you go to this website and if you got 110 grand bullet, it shows you here at 300 yards, aim on this crosshair.

02:37:10.000 And I learned different stuff from those guys, veterans that do this stuff for a living.

02:37:13.000 They done been to war and learned how to shoot a gun.

02:37:17.000 I see his videos in his school of Knox and whatnot, watching stuff like that.

02:37:23.000 Like you said, you ever had any coaching?

02:37:25.000 What I do is just practice over and over and over.

02:37:28.000 When I'm at the range, the owner, Mike of A&M, he'll come out and be like, oh, kind of try to turn your head a little bit more.

02:37:34.000 I didn't have a kisser button.

02:37:35.000 Put a kisser button on. 1.00

02:37:36.000 That'll force you to turn your head.

02:37:37.000 You need to be straight down and think about pushing his lifeline through.

02:37:42.000 Stuff like that.

02:37:43.000 I just practice.

02:37:44.000 Like I said, I'm shooting.

02:37:45.000 I used to shoot at least 100 arrows a day.

02:37:47.000 Like I said, I popped that truck bed down, put the radio on, just sit out there and shoot.

02:37:50.000 I shot one time so long, I couldn't move my neck back the next morning.

02:37:54.000 I fell asleep like this and I woke up.

02:37:55.000 I was stuck.

02:37:57.000 I didn't even train because I was stuck on my head turning like this because my neck had got tight.

02:38:01.000 I was crunching up here and doing this like I wasn't supposed to, but it all tightened up.

02:38:06.000 Yeah.

02:38:06.000 You know, so I'm learning the hard way.

02:38:09.000 Just like I went turkey hunting this year.

02:38:11.000 This last week.

02:38:12.000 Archery turkey?

02:38:13.000 Yeah.

02:38:13.000 Never been turkey hunting before.

02:38:15.000 I've only seen it on YouTube.

02:38:16.000 I heard somebody telling me at the trade show, Great American Outdoors, and it just sounds so interesting.

02:38:20.000 And I started YouTubing, and I ordered all the stuff I need, decoys, and I was teaching myself, watching videos, knocking.

02:38:25.000 The first day I slate called and box called, I know that's not right.

02:38:29.000 I can't do that.

02:38:31.000 Now I put it on a slate and it sounded like an actual turkey calling.

02:38:34.000 Like I'm good in a week.

02:38:35.000 I just study and try.

02:38:37.000 Right.

02:38:37.000 So stuff like that.

02:38:39.000 So I just look forward to it. 0.99

02:38:40.000 Have you ever fucked with those hex suits? 0.99

02:38:43.000 The who? 0.99

02:38:43.000 Hex suit? 0.99

02:38:44.000 You know what it is?

02:38:45.000 H-E-C-S? Especially with birds.

02:38:49.000 Birds can navigate using magnetics.

02:38:52.000 They use the magnetic pole in electromagnetic fields.

02:38:57.000 It's been proven that birds can register.

02:38:59.000 And they sense electromagnetic fields.

02:39:03.000 And they think that birds in particular, and sea creatures too, like they use it with scuba divers and spear fishermen and people like that.

02:39:12.000 There's a suit that blocks the electromagnetic signal that your body gives off.

02:39:19.000 And it's supposedly particularly effective with turkeys, who you know are very, they see very well.

02:39:26.000 And they see things, movement, and they're very, very skittish. 0.99

02:39:30.000 And they see any weird shit, they just get the fuck out of there. 0.98

02:39:33.000 But this guy Mike Slinkard, who's one of the guys who created the hex suit, he hunts turkeys with no blind. 0.99

02:39:39.000 He just sits out in the field with this hex suit on that blocks the electromagnetic signal, and then he puts camo on over the hex suit.

02:39:47.000 There's videos of him doing this, man.

02:39:49.000 It's kind of crazy.

02:39:50.000 This is him sitting there.

02:39:54.000 So he's sitting with this hex suit on right in front of these turkeys. 1.00

02:39:58.000 Now you know, as well as I know, that most of the time, if you were right in front of a turkey like that, they would get the fuck out of Dodge. 0.87

02:40:05.000 Unless you got your little decoy, the feather thing they put over. 0.97

02:40:08.000 But he doesn't have that.

02:40:10.000 He got a decoy in his hand.

02:40:12.000 Yeah, I mean, he's probably got something.

02:40:14.000 But you still see the body behind it.

02:40:14.000 There's a giant body behind him and he's moving.

02:40:17.000 But the idea is that it can't see the electromagnetic signal that you're giving off.

02:40:22.000 There's a lot of videos on it.

02:40:23.000 It's super controversial, but Dudley swears by it.

02:40:27.000 John Dudley swears by it and a lot of other folks do, too.

02:40:30.000 Does that work for Whitetail, too?

02:40:32.000 Yeah, I think it does.

02:40:33.000 I think it works for everything.

02:40:34.000 I think animals can sense something.

02:40:37.000 I mean, it's not...

02:40:38.000 Everything, right?

02:40:39.000 I mean, you still can't be downwind or upwind. 0.96

02:40:43.000 If your wind comes and catches them, they're going to smell you and they're going to get the fuck out of there. 0.73

02:40:49.000 What is that? 1.00

02:40:51.000 Another camo.

02:40:53.000 Jesus Christ.

02:40:54.000 That's a great picture.

02:40:56.000 That's a perfect example of how camo works.

02:40:59.000 Right?

02:40:59.000 That picture?

02:41:00.000 If you try to take that picture, if you try that, you're going to see me.

02:41:05.000 It's like the perfect angle.

02:41:06.000 Of course.

02:41:08.000 I mean, it's the perfect type of leaves, the perfect angle, the perfect lighting. 0.99

02:41:12.000 You know, it's probably fucked with a little.

02:41:14.000 But, you know, the hex suit is a very controversial thing. 0.97

02:41:17.000 But people smarter than me say it works.

02:41:20.000 It really works with sea creatures for some reason.

02:41:24.000 With things in the water, because, you know, animals, they have that lateral line, or fish, rather, have that lateral line, and they sense electrical signals that are coming off of creatures that are in the water. 0.99

02:41:37.000 And so, scuba divers swear by this fucking suit. 0.95

02:41:42.000 It's interesting stuff. 1.00

02:41:44.000 I've never heard it.

02:41:45.000 I'm like, what?

02:41:46.000 I'll get them to send you some.

02:41:47.000 Yeah, I'll try it out for sure.

02:41:49.000 Well, like I said, I listen to Dudley when it comes to everything.

02:41:52.000 You know, I'm like you when it comes to martial arts.

02:41:55.000 If someone's teaching me something, I just listen.

02:41:58.000 I don't second guess.

02:41:59.000 And when a guy as wise as him says that it works, I'm curious about it.

02:42:03.000 At least try it before I knock it.

02:42:05.000 If it don't work for me, then maybe it's just I'm doing something wrong.

02:42:07.000 And if they come and show me and it still don't work, it's kind of like, I don't believe it.

02:42:11.000 But if it worked, I'm Do you have a particular camo company that you don't appreciate?

02:42:15.000 Right now I'm using Sika. 0.73

02:42:15.000 Sika's the best. 0.73

02:42:16.000 Yeah, I love it.

02:42:17.000 They're the best.

02:42:17.000 They gave me a little pro deal, 50% off.

02:42:20.000 Oh, really?

02:42:20.000 Oh, that's great.

02:42:21.000 So it worked out perfect.

02:42:22.000 I love it.

02:42:23.000 It's still expensive, but it's worth it.

02:42:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:42:25.000 They just have so much engineering in their shit. 1.00

02:42:27.000 And guys like John Barklow, the guy who's the designer that does all the testing in cold weather. 1.00

02:42:33.000 You ever see the cold water immersion test they've done with their shit? 0.99

02:42:37.000 Mm-mm. 0.98

02:42:37.000 He's got a re-warming drill that he put online explaining to people what you do if you're in cold conditions and you fall into the water, like how to re-warm yourself. 0.98

02:42:46.000 He's got a whole video where he did it.

02:42:47.000 They jumped into this icy river and then climbed out.

02:42:54.000 The suits are designed and a lot of the clothing is designed to allow you to survive in that sort of a situation.

02:43:00.000 But, you know, you have to know how to do it, how to go about it.

02:43:03.000 See, here's John and this guy that he's with.

02:43:06.000 And they just dunked it.

02:43:08.000 There's John on the right. 0.99

02:43:09.000 And they dunk themselves in this freezing fucking water and then get out. 0.99

02:43:12.000 And then they put on sleeping bags and got in the tent. 0.99

02:43:17.000 I'm going to tell you right now, that's some WPS, Joe. 0.95

02:43:23.000 You're not going to see no black man dunking yourself in no frozen water. 0.99

02:43:26.000 That's WPS. That's some WPS. It's white people shit. 1.00

02:43:33.000 Well, he's educating people. 1.00

02:43:36.000 That was actually, when he was in the military, that's what he did.

02:43:39.000 He taught cold weather survival.

02:43:41.000 He's so thorough, too.

02:43:43.000 And he's one of the reasons why Sitka's gear is so well engineered and designed, because they've got a guy like him that's telling them how to design things.

02:43:52.000 And he's a hunter, too.

02:43:53.000 He hunted with me last year.

02:43:55.000 I hunted elk with him in Utah.

02:43:59.000 I'm actually going to get the test out.

02:44:00.000 Like my buddy told me before, like I promise you, sicker, you get that warm and stuff, no matter how cold, you're not going to get cold. 0.99

02:44:06.000 It's the best shit. 0.99

02:44:07.000 So I'm going to Saskatchewan Canada for Whitetail in November. 1.00

02:44:12.000 Yeah.

02:44:12.000 The guy, he told me, he said, he's like, it's not that bad, but it's kind of like, what's not bad?

02:44:16.000 He was like, sometimes like negative 10. Like, that's fucking bad. 0.98

02:44:19.000 You come right, oh, I got an extra bodysuit for you, so I'm going to get their super warm gear and try it out. 0.96

02:44:24.000 And he said, if it don't work, I'll let you use the bodysuit.

02:44:26.000 Well, you might need the bodysuit in Saskatchewan. 0.98

02:44:29.000 It's fucking cold. 0.97

02:44:30.000 I'm going to test and see if it really works. 0.99

02:44:32.000 I might see your boys' videos.

02:44:33.000 Check it out.

02:44:34.000 That Canada cold is a different cold.

02:44:36.000 You know, those people are hardy folks.

02:44:38.000 Yeah, we went out there in June for the bear hunt, actually, me and my dad.

02:44:41.000 In the mornings, it was cold.

02:44:44.000 Yeah.

02:44:44.000 By the time the day the sun came out, then we go to the top of the mountain to glass.

02:44:48.000 Oh, man.

02:44:50.000 Fast.

02:44:50.000 Like, instantly.

02:44:51.000 Hands froze.

02:44:51.000 I'm in the truck in the heat.

02:44:52.000 He's just out there chilling in his t-shirt.

02:44:54.000 Like, this is...

02:44:55.000 How do they do this?

02:44:56.000 They're just used to it.

02:44:57.000 Yeah.

02:44:58.000 Now, when you were up there, was that spot and stalk?

02:45:00.000 Mm-hmm.

02:45:00.000 Yeah.

02:45:01.000 So you were catching them when they were coming out of the dens and eating grass?

02:45:04.000 We had to go up to the top of the viewing point, the top of the mountain, and we looked.

02:45:09.000 Me, him, and my dad, he had the spot and scope, and we both in binoculars.

02:45:12.000 He said, just look for a black dot.

02:45:13.000 You see something you tell me and I put the spot scope scope on it and see if it's a sow or a bear we can get You know have something off a sow is cut her curves. 0.97

02:45:22.000 We're not shooting us We only want old males and it's crazy because it's a 30 minute drive to the top of the mountain So after we see them it might look like it's right there It's like like an hour to get down there Then we got a park and we still got a walk 20 30 minutes and and hope he's still in that area. 1.00

02:45:36.000 You know what I mean?

02:45:37.000 And like I said, we came across elk.

02:45:38.000 We came across cougars, all kind of stuff.

02:45:40.000 But you get there and that bear was gone.

02:45:42.000 Yeah.

02:45:43.000 And we hopped, and we said, all right, back to the truck, back to the top.

02:45:45.000 And we did it all day till, like, it got dark, and it take us till midnight or whatever to get home because it was so far into the mountains.

02:45:51.000 And it was great, like I said.

02:45:53.000 But it was walking, and I had the wrong boots.

02:45:55.000 I had, like, work boots.

02:45:57.000 So my calves and stuff was burning the first day.

02:46:00.000 And I'm with the head guy.

02:46:01.000 He said, I don't like driving.

02:46:02.000 I was, like, walking a lot.

02:46:03.000 So we did a whole lot of walking.

02:46:05.000 He's like, I figured you being a UFC fighter, I could test you out.

02:46:08.000 I never had a guy as athletic as you that's able to walk.

02:46:11.000 Most people are overweight or not that athletic, so you want to go a little bit.

02:46:14.000 It's time to go to the truck.

02:46:15.000 Like you, I can test you out.

02:46:16.000 It's a lot of cardio, man.

02:46:18.000 Who are you telling?

02:46:19.000 Who are you telling, man?

02:46:21.000 I've never been so sore in my life.

02:46:22.000 That's what my mom said, like, Mr. Overtime 25-8.

02:46:25.000 Like, you ain't did it, mama.

02:46:27.000 It's different.

02:46:27.000 It's different walking up those hills and those guys that get used to it, those very specific muscles that you use when you're constantly hiking up hills.

02:46:34.000 You said you did a blackbird hunt before, right?

02:46:36.000 Yeah, I did a few.

02:46:37.000 A bow or a rifle?

02:46:38.000 A bow in north of Alberta with my friends John and Jen, the Rivets, up there.

02:46:45.000 They got a great camp up there.

02:46:46.000 I just don't have the time to get away for that many camps.

02:46:51.000 And I prefer elk hunting.

02:46:53.000 How many camps are you doing a year?

02:46:56.000 I'm going to do four this year.

02:46:58.000 Four this year.

02:46:59.000 Two elk, one axis deer, and one mule deer.

02:47:04.000 Now what about Saskatchewan Whitetail?

02:47:06.000 You seen those? 1.00

02:47:07.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:47:07.000 But would you do it? 1.00

02:47:09.000 Yeah, I would do it.

02:47:10.000 He said he'd do whatever hunt he wanted to do.

02:47:12.000 Well, this year I can't because I do have something scheduled in November already.

02:47:15.000 Well, you tell me when.

02:47:17.000 I can't do more than one hunt a month.

02:47:19.000 I'll get divorced.

02:47:21.000 My kids will beat me up.

02:47:22.000 I'm on the verge of that already.

02:47:25.000 Every morning I get up at 4 o'clock, she just put the baby back to sleep.

02:47:28.000 I'm up making noise.

02:47:30.000 Wish me luck.

02:47:31.000 I'll see you when I get back.

02:47:32.000 I know.

02:47:32.000 They don't like it, man.

02:47:33.000 It's funny.

02:47:34.000 But I get it.

02:47:35.000 But it's one of those things that just takes a lot of time.

02:47:38.000 If you're going to go on a hunting trip, it's seven days away.

02:47:41.000 You have seven days, and you're going to be probably somewhere where there's no cell phone signal.

02:47:46.000 But for me, man, it's very valuable for my head.

02:47:49.000 I recenter out there.

02:47:51.000 I get it, man. 0.99

02:47:52.000 There's fucking animals chasing deer and things are trying to survive and it just puts everything in perspective for me. 0.99

02:47:58.000 When I'm sneaking up on an elk and I'm tiptoeing, tiptoeing through the grass and I'm just trying to get inside like 60, 70 yards just to get a good shot off and I'm trying to Make sure the wind is right. 0.99

02:48:11.000 I'm not thinking about anything else, man.

02:48:13.000 Nothing.

02:48:14.000 When I draw back and I center my pin and I'm looking through the peep site and everything's right and the housing's level and I've got my anchor point and I'm pulling with my back muscles and I'm just concentrating on that spot.

02:48:28.000 Aim small, miss small.

02:48:31.000 The world goes away.

02:48:32.000 The world goes away.

02:48:34.000 And when that arrow finds that crease and sinks right through, then you see those fletchings disappear. 0.99

02:48:39.000 And you're like, ah, we fucking did it. 0.97

02:48:42.000 That's what people will never understand. 0.99

02:48:44.000 Like, why would you be happy you killed an animal?

02:48:46.000 Because it's so hard to do.

02:48:48.000 It's not that you're happy the animals die.

02:48:50.000 You're happy you did it.

02:48:51.000 It's a relief.

02:48:52.000 It's so hard to do.

02:48:54.000 It's like, people don't understand, like, to maintain calmness and stillness when you're drawing on an animal, it's not like a rifle.

02:49:01.000 I've shot things with a rifle, and it's not easy.

02:49:03.000 It's more hard than people think it is, but it's way easier than using a bow.

02:49:07.000 Exactly.

02:49:08.000 It's not even close.

02:49:09.000 Because you've got to draw back without being spotted.

02:49:10.000 Yeah.

02:49:11.000 Then you've got to hold steady.

02:49:12.000 Yeah.

02:49:12.000 Like, the rifle is kind of, you've got sticks.

02:49:14.000 Yeah.

02:49:14.000 You put it on a stick, pull it to your shoulder.

02:49:16.000 Like I said, it ain't easy, but you find the crosshair, once you get it settled, it's there.

02:49:20.000 Yeah.

02:49:20.000 With that bow.

02:49:20.000 Then it's just squeeze, squeeze, squeeze.

02:49:22.000 Sometimes I pull it down so they don't see me.

02:49:24.000 So, right now, I'm starting to shake. 0.95

02:49:25.000 I've been held, like, the one I held, three minutes and 41 seconds I had to record, and I held for his butt coming. 0.93

02:49:30.000 He kept stopping.

02:49:31.000 Like, I feel my back.

02:49:33.000 And I'm like, wobbly.

02:49:36.000 And I post a video after that kill.

02:49:38.000 Like, people wonder why I'm so proud of my kill.

02:49:40.000 Like, do you know what it's like being 235 pounds, 6'3", in a tree, not being spotted, hold the bow, And you've got to control your breathing.

02:49:49.000 One wrong move in my head, if I go to itch something, he see my hat move, the silhouette, he's gone.

02:49:53.000 It's like literally, like I post a video and it looked like a picture.

02:49:56.000 Like just me holding it.

02:49:57.000 It looked like a picture because I never move.

02:49:59.000 Like I don't think anybody would understand how hard it is to be as big as I am all the way up in the tree with a climber.

02:50:05.000 I'm using the climber, so that's hard too.

02:50:06.000 And get up and just sit still.

02:50:08.000 The wind blowing, everything.

02:50:09.000 You can't sway.

02:50:10.000 You sit.

02:50:11.000 Everything has to be right.

02:50:12.000 It's an art to it.

02:50:13.000 People never know.

02:50:15.000 They'll never know unless they do it.

02:50:17.000 It's one of those things.

02:50:18.000 And many people that get mad at people that do it are meat eaters, which drives me crazy.

02:50:23.000 They think there's something wrong with killing wild animals.

02:50:27.000 That's the best way to do it.

02:50:28.000 Because these animals, first of all, you're going to get organic, real, wild meat.

02:50:33.000 It's better for you.

02:50:34.000 Second of all, these animals lived a real life.

02:50:37.000 They're not caged.

02:50:38.000 Changed up in a butcher shop.

02:50:40.000 The funniest thing, after I got the bear, me and my dad got, and we posted a picture.

02:50:44.000 And this lady, she's in the same supplement company, and I know she eats meat. 1.00

02:50:47.000 I've seen her at a barbecue, her and her husband, like, pounding burgers.

02:50:51.000 And when I posted the picture, she's like, I can't believe you.

02:50:54.000 I will no longer follow you.

02:50:55.000 How could you dare go in the wild and kill a bear to eat it?

02:50:59.000 I said, don't you eat burgers?

02:51:02.000 You went and got a cattle that somebody took and chained up and slaughtered.

02:51:06.000 You rather that than me going out and getting them the most natural way ever?

02:51:09.000 Not only that, if you love animals, you got to kill bears because they eat everything.

02:51:14.000 They eat 50% of all the...

02:51:17.000 Deer fawns and elk calves, they get killed by bears.

02:51:21.000 50% of them.

02:51:22.000 Like, I posted a picture of killing a coyote once.

02:51:24.000 And everybody's like, oh, why'd you kill a coyote?

02:51:26.000 He didn't do anything to you, but the thing they didn't see, I posted a video a week later, I killed a coyote as he was chasing down a doe.

02:51:32.000 He was trying to get him, and I saw him, I swung through him, right when he came out, pow, flipped him, and it was over.

02:51:38.000 I saved the deer's life.

02:51:40.000 All y'all saw was the picture of the coyote.

02:51:42.000 You can't eat them?

02:51:43.000 Yeah, but I saved the other wildlife.

02:51:45.000 You never make everybody happy.

02:51:46.000 You can't make anybody happy that doesn't understand hunting, that's for sure. 0.98

02:51:50.000 They have this perception of it from movies and from a lot of those redneck stupid TV shows where they don't portray hunting in a positive way. 0.98

02:52:00.000 And so people get this negative impression about it, but I think with more people like you... 0.97

02:52:06.000 Elite athletes that are getting into it.

02:52:08.000 Bo Jackson is a big bow hunter.

02:52:10.000 You know, there's a lot of bow hunters now that are, you know, that were just athletes and they realize like, wow, this is thrilling and exciting and then it's the best meat in the world.

02:52:20.000 So you have so many pros and it's the most, I think it's the most ethical way to eat meat because you're going out and getting it yourself.

02:52:27.000 You're not hiring some supermarket hitman.

02:52:29.000 You're doing it yourself.

02:52:31.000 That's the main point.

02:52:33.000 It ain't all about hunting.

02:52:34.000 It's more like, one, a black guy in the community. 0.99

02:52:37.000 Two, it's more than just killing. 0.97

02:52:39.000 So far, the one I'm editing now is a turkey hunt.

02:52:42.000 This whole week, I'm out there, but I didn't kill anything.

02:52:44.000 But it's more showing.

02:52:45.000 It's more.

02:52:45.000 You see the deer walk up, the view, the sun coming up, the sun going down.

02:52:49.000 And you're shooting all this and editing it, too?

02:52:51.000 Yeah, I'm doing it all myself.

02:52:52.000 Now, do you think you'll have a career in that after you get done with fighting?

02:52:56.000 Like I told you, when I meet people at the shows that work well and work with me, they go, what do you want?

02:53:00.000 Like, I don't want no money or anything.

02:53:01.000 I just want your help.

02:53:02.000 If you can let me use one of your gear, one of your thing, and I advertise it, I'll put you a little link at the beginning.

02:53:07.000 Tacticam, Boat Creek, different people I use.

02:53:09.000 Just put a thing on there.

02:53:10.000 Just say, I don't want money.

02:53:12.000 Because I'm just a fighter.

02:53:13.000 I'm not a hunter, but I love the sport.

02:53:15.000 You know, I love hunting.

02:53:16.000 And you share, you help advertise, whatever.

02:53:19.000 I just want to get as well known as I am in fighting, I want the same thing in hunting.

02:53:24.000 And what I have to do is I have to bring other people.

02:53:26.000 Because I see, like when I go to the bow shop, people ask all the time.

02:53:28.000 Like I'm in the, today I was in the hotel with my bow.

02:53:30.000 Like, oh, you got to gig someone with a guitar?

02:53:32.000 Like, no, it's a bow and arrow.

02:53:33.000 You see a guy say, bow and arrow.

02:53:34.000 He look at me.

02:53:34.000 Yeah, I hunt all the time.

02:53:35.000 I love hunting.

02:53:36.000 Especially when you see me, like I told my wife, I'm going to be the first person on Joe Rogan shooting a techno thing with Jordan's a do-rag or with a bow.

02:53:43.000 Like, it don't work that way.

02:53:45.000 It's true, you are!

02:53:46.000 You don't see nobody wearing a do-rag and a Jordan. 1.00

02:53:48.000 It's very rare.

02:53:49.000 You see that guy on the streets with sounds, but you see me with a bow or a gun.

02:53:52.000 I wonder if you're the first guy to ever shoot Techno Hunt wearing a do-rag. 0.99

02:53:56.000 And a bow.

02:53:57.000 You might be.

02:53:57.000 And Jordans.

02:53:59.000 Well, Jordans, maybe someone's done that before.

02:54:01.000 Not with a do-rag. 0.99

02:54:02.000 Not with a do-rag. 0.99

02:54:02.000 You might get somebody with a do-rag without the do-rags. 0.99

02:54:04.000 You might get somebody with a do-rags without the do-rags.

02:54:06.000 It's true.

02:54:07.000 I got them both.

02:54:07.000 You got the combo.

02:54:09.000 You know what I mean?

02:54:09.000 I want people to see the show, not about hunting.

02:54:12.000 You don't have to be the typical what people see. 0.99

02:54:16.000 You see country guys, cowboy hats, cowboy boots, shit kickers in their trucks. 0.99

02:54:21.000 That's the guy you expect to be a hunter. 0.99

02:54:23.000 You got to walk around a camel, but I want somebody to see.

02:54:25.000 Because people find out hunting, like, you hunt?

02:54:27.000 I love it.

02:54:28.000 I'd rather be a hunter than anything.

02:54:29.000 When people see a top-level UFC fighter doing it, they're like, whoa, really?

02:54:33.000 Like this is life.

02:54:34.000 Yeah.

02:54:35.000 I love that you love it, man.

02:54:37.000 It means a lot to me, man.

02:54:39.000 I think that positive role models like you are what the sport needs to change people's...

02:54:43.000 I don't want to say sport because I don't think hunting is a sport.

02:54:46.000 Let's call it a discipline.

02:54:47.000 A culture.

02:54:48.000 A culture.

02:54:48.000 To change people's perceptions of it.

02:54:50.000 The positive people like you that are elite athletes and just for people to get a chance to see like, hey, this is...

02:54:56.000 I mean, I'm not encouraging everyone to do it, but I think there's a lot of people that would love it that have never tried it because they maybe don't have an understanding of what it actually is.

02:55:04.000 So if they see you or they see the videos of you doing, like Chad Mendes is deep.

02:55:08.000 He's deep into it.

02:55:09.000 That's all he wants to do.

02:55:10.000 I love it.

02:55:11.000 He loves it.

02:55:12.000 That's all he wants to do.

02:55:13.000 I mean, he basically is fighting to pay for his hunting career.

02:55:18.000 Oh, hey, you found it!

02:55:20.000 This is just scouting and stuff.

02:55:22.000 So is this in Jersey?

02:55:24.000 Yeah, this is behind my house.

02:55:25.000 There's a lot.

02:55:26.000 Oh, you got Mavens, huh?

02:55:27.000 It's a lot.

02:55:29.000 That I purchased.

02:55:29.000 Like I said, everybody thinks everything I post is stuff I got hooked.

02:55:32.000 No, a lot of stuff I got I purchased because that's what I like to use.

02:55:35.000 I'll have Maven hook you up.

02:55:37.000 Brandon Weaver, where you at?

02:55:38.000 I actually met him.

02:55:39.000 I met him at this grade.

02:55:40.000 That's when I bought it from him.

02:55:41.000 They make great buyouts.

02:55:42.000 I'm going to purchase this.

02:55:44.000 Oh, that's good, man.

02:55:45.000 Good for you. 1.00

02:55:45.000 They make great shit. 1.00

02:55:46.000 I mean, there's a lot of great companies out there. 1.00

02:55:47.000 Yeah, the guy filming, he's a teammate of mine at Hunt's.

02:55:50.000 But one of the guys, I talked to Frank Yeager.

02:55:51.000 He said he wanted to do it.

02:55:52.000 Somebody gave him a bow.

02:55:53.000 I said, give me a bow. 0.60

02:55:54.000 I'll set it up.

02:55:55.000 I'll show you how to get it.

02:55:56.000 I got all my guys.

02:55:57.000 Tell them all.

02:55:57.000 Send the link.

02:55:59.000 Do your 100 safety car, and I'll take you out. 0.97

02:56:01.000 I'll film it, and I'll show you how to do it.

02:56:03.000 Really?

02:56:04.000 Like, my buddy's in Jersey.

02:56:05.000 He's a Jersey Shore Guido-type guy.

02:56:07.000 But like I said, I taught him how to shoot a bow 15 weeks ago.

02:56:10.000 He kept mixing up the difference between...

02:56:13.000 Is this your shop?

02:56:14.000 Yeah, this is a little pro shop in the basement.

02:56:16.000 Oh, wow.

02:56:17.000 Nice.

02:56:17.000 So you set up your own bows and everything?

02:56:20.000 You level your third axis and all that stuff?

02:56:22.000 No kidding.

02:56:23.000 That's great, man.

02:56:24.000 I love it.

02:56:25.000 So the thing is just getting people on average Joes. 1.00

02:56:27.000 You get together with Jim Miller?

02:56:28.000 He's out there too, right?

02:56:29.000 He's up in Summit.

02:56:30.000 I haven't hunted with him, but we talked.

02:56:32.000 Every once in a while.

02:56:33.000 He's another one.

02:56:33.000 Full balls deep.

02:56:35.000 I'm working with his guys at A&W Labs right now for, like, attracting and whatnot.

02:56:39.000 Them and Boat Creek are the two IUs.

02:56:41.000 What are A&W Labs?

02:56:42.000 A&W Labs for, like, attracting.

02:56:44.000 They got minerals and attractants, like, on top of the coin or whatever.

02:56:47.000 Yeah.

02:56:47.000 So, like, getting them on camera.

02:56:48.000 Mm-hmm.

02:56:49.000 So, like, I use this stuff like the Killer Q. Like I said, it's not just getting people in it, but, like, getting these local shops.

02:56:54.000 Like, he told them, like, we don't sell in stores.

02:56:56.000 We try to get a few here and a few there, but, like, we don't have the network to get our name out there.

02:57:00.000 So, it's people like that.

02:57:01.000 Right.

02:57:02.000 I'm supporting those that support me.

02:57:03.000 You help me support me fighting, and I post this stuff, you know, because I got more followers than you.

02:57:08.000 So, maybe somebody will click the link.

02:57:09.000 For sure.

02:57:10.000 Go there, and they'll give it a try.

02:57:11.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:57:12.000 That's awesome, man.

02:57:13.000 You have a perfect attitude.

02:57:14.000 I think there's a lot of careers right now in the hunting world.

02:57:21.000 A lot of guys make videos, they post videos, and they basically make a great living just making hunting videos.

02:57:28.000 You can do that now.

02:57:30.000 A hunting podcast now.

02:57:31.000 Steve Rinello, who's the guy who got me into hunting in 2012 for that show.

02:57:35.000 You've seen that show, Meteor.

02:57:38.000 They make tremendous money now touring.

02:57:41.000 They do these podcasts, these hunting podcasts, and then they do them live.

02:57:46.000 They do them live at sold-out theaters.

02:57:48.000 I mean, it's crazy.

02:57:48.000 I mean, I tried to get him involved in podcasting years ago because he would be on mine, and he was so good at it.

02:57:53.000 I'm like, you're such a great talker.

02:57:55.000 You'd be perfect for this.

02:57:56.000 And now it's just one of their biggest things.

02:57:58.000 But it's one more way where guys can make a living and also spread a really positive message and be a great ambassador for hunting, for the hunting community.

02:58:10.000 I posted on Frankie's, he did the Butcher Box.

02:58:13.000 Is that the new thing this fighter was doing?

02:58:15.000 Yeah.

02:58:15.000 And I told him, I've been trying to tell him, get out to the woods with me.

02:58:17.000 We can get you some meat.

02:58:18.000 I gave him and Ricardo meat if they wanted out of my freezer.

02:58:21.000 And somebody said something about my comment.

02:58:23.000 I was like, I can give a man a fish and he'll have food for days.

02:58:26.000 But if I teach a man to fish, he'll have food for life.

02:58:28.000 He can get this box.

02:58:30.000 It'd be cool.

02:58:31.000 He's like, oh, not everybody can hunt like you, but I can teach them.

02:58:33.000 Anybody as well, you can hit me up anytime.

02:58:35.000 If you're willing to hunt, if you can make it to me, I will take you out.

02:58:38.000 And New Jersey's infested with deer. 1.00

02:58:40.000 Everyone's like, oh, you're a murderer. 0.98

02:58:42.000 But when it hits your car, you mad. 0.99

02:58:44.000 I'm saving you that problem.

02:58:46.000 People die.

02:58:47.000 Some guy in my friend Cam Haynes' neighborhood last year died.

02:58:50.000 A guy in front of him hit a deer.

02:58:53.000 The deer went up in the air and came through his windshield.

02:58:56.000 Killed him.

02:58:57.000 That's a freak story. 0.62

02:58:58.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:58:58.000 But if I killed him, if I shot the deer before he got to the rope, that wouldn't happen. 0.97

02:59:01.000 Are you saving lives? 0.85

02:59:02.000 I'm saving lives.

02:59:03.000 Getting Lyme disease and ticks and everything out there.

02:59:05.000 Did you get Lyme?

02:59:06.000 Not yet. 1.00

02:59:07.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:59:07.000 I'm out there. 1.00

02:59:08.000 I don't know why you say it all the time.

02:59:09.000 You're like obsessed with ticks now.

02:59:11.000 You should be.

02:59:12.000 Exactly.

02:59:12.000 I'm like, I feel like there's a tick on me or something.

02:59:14.000 Maybe I got ticks.

02:59:14.000 I put disorders on.

02:59:16.000 I use lethal now.

02:59:17.000 Good.

02:59:17.000 I put on my skin and everything.

02:59:18.000 Good.

02:59:19.000 But I be in the woods and I feel something.

02:59:21.000 And I feel something. 0.99

02:59:22.000 Pint, and sure enough, fucking tick on me. 0.99

02:59:24.000 Really? 0.99

02:59:24.000 I get home, and I got socks over my pants, gloves over my sleeves and everything tucked in. 0.99

02:59:28.000 And I take everything off, I look in the mirror, sure enough, there'll be one on my back. 0.95

02:59:31.000 Like, deadass.

02:59:32.000 I was at the Philly fights, and me and my buddies from Hero Sports, we sound like, dude, I feel like something on my back. 0.76

02:59:36.000 Like, bro, what are you talking about?

02:59:38.000 We saying, ain't nothing on your back. 0.99

02:59:39.000 And I reached in my shirt, and sure enough, put a fucking tick on my back. 0.99

02:59:42.000 Like, bro, we in Philly are the fights. 0.99

02:59:44.000 Wow. 0.99

02:59:44.000 Fucking tick get on me. 0.99

02:59:46.000 They're everywhere. 1.00

02:59:46.000 Like they're everywhere. 1.00

02:59:47.000 They're everywhere and some giant percentage of them have Lyme disease.

02:59:50.000 They say New Jersey is the highest infested place with ticks.

02:59:54.000 I can imagine.

02:59:55.000 And Lyme.

02:59:55.000 I mean, you see what happened with Jim Miller.

02:59:57.000 I mean, it fucked him up for years.

02:59:59.000 Yeah. 0.85

02:59:59.000 I mean, it fucked my friend's son up. 0.85

03:00:01.000 He got Bell's palsy where his face went numb on his son. 1.00

03:00:05.000 It's fucking bad, man. 0.97

03:00:07.000 I think Frank, it was Frank, yeah, one of the guys at Jim, his wife had Lyme that got bit a while ago and she was messed up for a while. 0.99

03:00:12.000 Marcus Davis.

03:00:13.000 You know, Marcus Davis wound up using all of his money he earned in the UFC to help his wife.

03:00:18.000 Because his wife got real bad Lyme disease, where she was hospitalized for a long time, man.

03:00:23.000 People don't understand that. 1.00

03:00:24.000 That shit can devastate you. 1.00

03:00:26.000 That is a dirty disease. 1.00

03:00:27.000 Those little stinking fucking ticks, man. 1.00

03:00:30.000 They can really mess your life up. 1.00

03:00:31.000 I'm surprised Cam don't get as much as he carried a deer.

03:00:34.000 Every time I see that now, I'll be thinking, how do you carry a deer on your neck?

03:00:36.000 If he did, he'd never tell anybody.

03:00:39.000 He would have Lyme disease and just run 150 miles until the Lyme disease died.

03:00:43.000 Run it out. 1.00

03:00:43.000 Yeah, he's a psycho. 1.00

03:00:46.000 There's discipline and then there's what that guy has. 0.99

03:00:48.000 And this guy too.

03:00:50.000 Oh yeah, Goggins.

03:00:51.000 He's another one, man.

03:00:52.000 He's another one.

03:00:53.000 It's like these guys, they exhibit this next level toughness that makes you re-examine what you're doing.

03:00:59.000 Like you think you're tough and then you find out like Goggins, what did we say he ran? 0.98

03:01:03.000 Like 28, 100 fucking mile runs in a row. 0.99

03:01:07.000 Something insane like that. 0.99

03:01:08.000 It's a lot.

03:01:08.000 Why?

03:01:09.000 There's more than ones a lot.

03:01:10.000 Why?

03:01:10.000 To prove it.

03:01:11.000 When you run over two miles, I look like, why? 1.00

03:01:14.000 I get a text message from Goggins that say, stay hard, motherfucker! 1.00

03:01:17.000 I'm checking in on you right now! 1.00

03:01:19.000 All these pussies out there. 1.00

03:01:21.000 You hear him yelling in a text. 1.00

03:01:22.000 Exactly, man.

03:01:22.000 Have you seen the documentary on Netflix Losers?

03:01:26.000 No, I haven't.

03:01:27.000 Look it up.

03:01:28.000 There's one on there.

03:01:29.000 The guy called Lost in the Desert.

03:01:30.000 It's a guy who runs.

03:01:31.000 It's a desert run.

03:01:32.000 They do.

03:01:33.000 I can't remember what country, but you go out there, and he was just so obsessed with winning.

03:01:37.000 Like, it's a thousand people running through this desert, but it's a course they have to follow.

03:01:40.000 When the wind get bad, they got check-ins or whatnot they're supposed to follow.

03:01:44.000 And this guy, he was so obsessed.

03:01:45.000 Like, he wasn't checking.

03:01:46.000 He was, like, trying to take shortcuts.

03:01:47.000 And, like, if I go this way, I'll find it.

03:01:49.000 And he ended up going off the course, and when it cleared up, He was way off course.

03:01:53.000 But he was so obsessed, I still got to finish.

03:01:55.000 He was out there for like five or six days.

03:01:58.000 And they was talking about how they announced to his family.

03:02:00.000 They told his family, your husband's dead.

03:02:01.000 We can't find you.

03:02:03.000 Find him.

03:02:03.000 They had helicopters going all over the place.

03:02:05.000 He went to a point where he started drinking his own piss.

03:02:07.000 He found his cave that was full of bats.

03:02:09.000 He started ripping his heads off, mixing them up, drinking it to survive.

03:02:12.000 Drinking the bat juice? 1.00

03:02:13.000 Bat juice, mixing it up. 0.99

03:02:14.000 And he like, at one point, heard a helicopter coming over.

03:02:16.000 he took all his clothes all his gear dug a hole and set it all on fire hoping they would see him as the fire went up the wind blew it out so he didn't get see so he's out there with no gear no nothing in the middle of nowhere he survived he ended up getting back and his mind was like I have to finish he said everybody left he said when he got there the checkpoint was gone but his friend had flew back to Oh my god. 0.71

03:02:39.000 Yeah, it's called Losers.

03:02:40.000 The documentary is called Losers here.

03:02:42.000 Thank you.

03:02:42.000 Losers in the episode is Lost in the Desert.

03:02:44.000 The whole show is good. 0.56

03:02:46.000 All the little things on there is good.

03:02:48.000 But that Lost in the Desert one, he ended up divorcing his wife where his wife left him.

03:02:52.000 Because after that, he still went back.

03:02:55.000 He came home and she's like, you're not going back.

03:02:57.000 He's like, I'm doing it again.

03:02:57.000 I have to finish.

03:02:58.000 And now he still does it.

03:03:00.000 He divorced his wife for that?

03:03:01.000 His wife left him because you got a family.

03:03:04.000 When he left, she was mad.

03:03:06.000 Like, what about your family?

03:03:06.000 People die on this.

03:03:07.000 What happened?

03:03:08.000 He's like, don't worry.

03:03:09.000 This is this.

03:03:09.000 I love this.

03:03:10.000 I have to do it.

03:03:10.000 When he came back and his wife was like, we're not doing it again.

03:03:13.000 He was like, yes, I am.

03:03:14.000 Like, he was pretty much dead.

03:03:16.000 They put him in the hospital.

03:03:17.000 They found him and everything.

03:03:18.000 Lonely Sahara.

03:03:19.000 And he ended up doing it again.

03:03:20.000 Mauro Prosperi.

03:03:23.000 Wow.

03:03:23.000 The survival story of Mauro Prosperi.

03:03:26.000 Disoriented after a sandstorm in the Sahara Desert, this Italian ultramarathon runner walked nearly 200 miles to safety. 0.99

03:03:34.000 Fuck. 1.00

03:03:36.000 But he's Italian. 1.00

03:03:37.000 He's probably going to get divorced anyway.

03:03:40.000 Hey, what are you going to do? 1.00

03:03:42.000 Those fucking guys are animals. 1.00

03:03:44.000 Yeah, when you see that, you're going to be like, I want you to DM me after you watch and see what you think. 1.00

03:03:49.000 I will.

03:03:49.000 I will see it.

03:03:50.000 When he ate the bad juice, I was like, I would just kill myself there. 0.86

03:03:54.000 He was literally biting their heads off, just in a cave, dark, no light. 0.86

03:03:57.000 He was feeling for them.

03:03:58.000 He could see their eyes. 1.00

03:03:59.000 He'd bite their head and rip it up with a stick. 1.00

03:04:01.000 That's how he would survive. 1.00

03:04:02.000 In a cave. 0.83

03:04:04.000 What kind of diarrhea did that guy have? 0.97

03:04:05.000 I don't care. 0.98

03:04:07.000 He even tried to kill himself, actually.

03:04:09.000 Really?

03:04:10.000 But he was so dehydrated, he cut his wrist.

03:04:12.000 He had the last sharp thing he had, he cut his wrist with, and went to bed hoping he was going to not wake up dead, and he woke up.

03:04:17.000 He's like, what in the world?

03:04:18.000 He said, that was my sign that I wasn't supposed to die.

03:04:20.000 He said, when he got to the house, when they saw his wrist, they said, you were too dehydrated. 0.98

03:04:25.000 To kill yourself.

03:04:26.000 He didn't have anything. 1.00

03:04:26.000 He couldn't bleed. 1.00

03:04:27.000 He healed up.

03:04:28.000 Jesus Christ.

03:04:29.000 And he said, that was it.

03:04:30.000 He was walking.

03:04:30.000 He said, I felt myself fainting.

03:04:31.000 I just kept telling myself, I'm here.

03:04:33.000 I have to make it.

03:04:35.000 And he said, he find like, he see like some girl walking out there in the desert.

03:04:38.000 He started walking away.

03:04:39.000 She was going.

03:04:40.000 Then the army, whatever arm, wherever they was at, the army out there, come get him. 0.99

03:04:44.000 And they got guns and shit. 1.00

03:04:45.000 He think he's going to die. 0.99

03:04:46.000 And they took him to the hospital.

03:04:47.000 And he woke up.

03:04:47.000 He had IVs and everything.

03:04:48.000 And they recovered him and took him back to his family.

03:04:51.000 It's a crazy story.

03:04:52.000 All of them was good, but that was my brother called me like, watch that, bro. 1.00

03:04:56.000 If you got a mentality like that, you are the fucking man. 1.00

03:04:59.000 Watch that. 1.00

03:05:00.000 Two days in, he stumbled into an abandoned Muslim shrine where he noticed some bats huddled together.

03:05:07.000 Prosperi grabbed a handful of them, cut off their heads with a knife, and then sucked out their insides to drink their blood and quench his thirst.

03:05:14.000 Eventually, he did his vampire act on 20 bats.

03:05:17.000 When another three days passed with no signs of rescue, he slit his wrists and waited to die, but his blood had thickened due to dehydration so it wouldn't drain out. 1.00

03:05:27.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

03:05:29.000 Like, that's something. 1.00

03:05:30.000 Goggins and Cam, they need to get together and do a podcast and talk about that.

03:05:33.000 Like, that was...

03:05:34.000 They wouldn't have cut their wrists.

03:05:36.000 No.

03:05:37.000 They ain't that tough?

03:05:38.000 No, they wouldn't have tried to kill themselves.

03:05:41.000 You're right.

03:05:41.000 They would have just kept going.

03:05:42.000 I think those kind of people, those ultramarathon people, it's a different breed of human.

03:05:48.000 It's like everything has – there's levels, right, to everything.

03:05:54.000 There's levels – You've experienced it in your own life where you toughened up, you became a stronger person, a harder person, and then there's levels past that, and then there's levels past that.

03:06:03.000 And especially for people that have one solitary thing, they do like ultra marathons.

03:06:07.000 They're all skinny dudes who can just keep going.

03:06:10.000 They just keep going.

03:06:11.000 It's just, it's the...

03:06:14.000 Pulling it off, the crossing the line, and knowing that you did something that seemed almost impossible, so titanically, epically difficult to do, that so few people can ever do it.

03:06:27.000 They're talking about running a 500-mile race now, because they did the Moab 230, and they had the Bigfoot 200. All these people that are putting on these races, they're like, okay, we could do 240. Let's see if we could do 500. So now they're talking about doing a 500-mile race.

03:06:43.000 It's next level.

03:06:44.000 It's hard for me to run a 5k.

03:06:46.000 I hear you.

03:06:47.000 Well, you're a big fella, too.

03:06:48.000 I mean, I could do it, but I did it in college, and I've never ran like a nothing.

03:06:51.000 Calculated like you had to pay due again.

03:06:53.000 It was like a charity we had to do for college.

03:06:55.000 Nope.

03:06:55.000 Never again.

03:06:56.000 Have you ever thought about doing something like that?

03:06:58.000 Like a marathon.

03:06:58.000 I'm going to run 5k.

03:06:59.000 I ain't going to pay to go run.

03:07:02.000 It's like going skydive.

03:07:03.000 Why am I jumping on a perfectly good plane to go on the ground?

03:07:06.000 Why do you have to pay to run a 5k?

03:07:08.000 Are they organizing it, I guess?

03:07:10.000 I guess most of them I go to foundations and stuff like that.

03:07:13.000 But even then, you heard about the foundations that take money.

03:07:16.000 I don't trust money.

03:07:17.000 You do hear about them sometimes.

03:07:17.000 I'm not paying no hundred and something bucks to go run 13.1 miles.

03:07:21.000 Right.

03:07:22.000 I'm cool.

03:07:23.000 People know it's more the fact that I can say I did it.

03:07:25.000 I can see I did it on my own.

03:07:27.000 I go run 13.1 miles and I did it.

03:07:29.000 I just check my phone.

03:07:30.000 13 miles.

03:07:31.000 We're good.

03:07:32.000 Drive home. - Track my mile.

03:07:34.000 Track my run.

03:07:35.000 Boom.

03:07:35.000 Tell me how far I go.

03:07:36.000 Hit 13. I'm done.

03:07:37.000 Calling a taxi.

03:07:39.000 But when you're a big guy like you, it's probably not good to run a lot of miles, right?

03:07:45.000 A lot of pounding. 1.00

03:07:46.000 Especially on flat foot as shit. 0.99

03:07:47.000 I'm so flat. 0.99

03:07:48.000 My ankles touch.

03:07:49.000 The inside of my ankles touch.

03:07:50.000 I'm so flat foot.

03:07:51.000 I'm pretty flat foot too.

03:07:53.000 Zero arch at all.

03:07:54.000 So I get a new pair of shoes every camp.

03:07:57.000 But after camp, it's over.

03:07:58.000 Because by all the movement and running I'm doing, I use the same shoes, athletic shoes for hitting mitts and shadowboxing and running.

03:08:04.000 So with all the flat footings pushing down, pushing down, by the time it's time to fight, it's gone.

03:08:08.000 Like, I feel it.

03:08:09.000 My feet start hurting.

03:08:09.000 My calves hurt.

03:08:10.000 I know it's time for a new shoe.

03:08:11.000 You ever try minimalist shoes?

03:08:14.000 Like those toe shoes or minimalist shoes?

03:08:17.000 I don't think they make them in my size.

03:08:18.000 What size are you?

03:08:19.000 14. I bet they do.

03:08:20.000 I guarantee you they do.

03:08:22.000 They make them in 11. I'm 11. Oh yeah, that's the big difference.

03:08:24.000 They make everything in 11 and 13. I had a size 14 at the age of 14. Really?

03:08:29.000 Yes. 1.00

03:08:30.000 Damn! 1.00

03:08:31.000 You must look like a puppy. 1.00

03:08:32.000 No, I was big.

03:08:33.000 I was 6 foot tall.

03:08:34.000 Freshman year in high school, 13 years old, I was 6 foot tall.

03:08:37.000 Wow.

03:08:38.000 Size 14 pounds.

03:08:41.000 I was a heavyweight from freshman year of high school to senior year in college.

03:08:44.000 That's 215 to 285. What motivated you to go down to 205?

03:08:50.000 I did a catchweight fight at 220, the fight before I went to Ultimate Fighter.

03:08:54.000 When I went there, I had to go to 205. My coach said, you made it.

03:08:57.000 You won the belt here.

03:08:58.000 You might as well try it.

03:08:59.000 Go to 205. You can do it.

03:09:00.000 I know you can do it.

03:09:01.000 I was like, God, I can do this.

03:09:04.000 Then it was like 85. I was like, I'm not doing it.

03:09:06.000 I could do it, but I'm not doing it.

03:09:08.000 I remember what it took to get here.

03:09:09.000 It ain't worth it.

03:09:10.000 It's not worth it.

03:09:11.000 You're too big. 0.73

03:09:13.000 I think a lot of guys have fucked their careers up by doing that, dropping too much weight. 0.99

03:09:18.000 It's not necessary.

03:09:19.000 You really get rocked off a punch then.

03:09:21.000 You're very dehydrated.

03:09:22.000 That one little touch, like I said, I think that was the part of the reason why I got knocked out against Jimmy.

03:09:26.000 I was so light.

03:09:28.000 I weighed in at 2.05, and the next day I weighed in at 2.12 going to the ring.

03:09:32.000 He was 2.29 checking in, and he weighed in at 2.27 before the ring.

03:09:35.000 And he said, like, you're too small.

03:09:37.000 And I feel like my mind, like I said, I used to keep myself so low.

03:09:42.000 Like when I wake up and when I get up so fast, I have to sit back down.

03:09:44.000 Like I could tell I was getting lightheaded so easy.

03:09:46.000 You know what I mean?

03:09:47.000 Because I was doing too much, then I would get lightheaded.

03:09:48.000 And I'd have to sit there for a while, drink some water, and stand up slow.

03:09:51.000 That's the feeling you get when you couldn't wait.

03:09:53.000 That's so crazy.

03:09:54.000 But I was feeling that all the time.

03:09:56.000 Do something too fast in training and just had to sit there on the mat and go, yeah, give me a second.

03:09:59.000 And I stand up like, alright.

03:10:01.000 Terrible.

03:10:01.000 Yeah, but in my mind, if I stay here, I'm always ready for a fight.

03:10:04.000 But it wasn't good at all.

03:10:05.000 No.

03:10:05.000 No, you're cutting back on your performance in a big way.

03:10:09.000 But listen, man, now we did a half hour more, so we're good.

03:10:12.000 That was good. 0.99

03:10:13.000 Let's get the fuck out of here. 0.99

03:10:14.000 And let's go on a hunt, man. 0.99

03:10:15.000 What's you and me doing?

03:10:16.000 I'm down.

03:10:17.000 Okay, we'll figure something out.

03:10:18.000 I'm all booked up for this fall, but maybe next year we'll start planning.

03:10:22.000 I'd like to take you out to Utah, especially after this year's elk hunt.

03:10:26.000 You're going to love it.

03:10:27.000 Let's do it.

03:10:28.000 Corey Anderson, thank you, sir.

03:10:29.000 Appreciate you, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 21, 2010

JRE MMA Show #65 with Corey Anderson

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