The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #68 with Will Harris

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00:00:03.000 Will Harris, you're live.

00:00:04.000 Man, this is crazy.

00:00:06.000 You're on the other side of the camera now.

00:00:08.000 Let me give you an introduction for people who don't know.

00:00:11.000 Will is the man behind Anatomy of the Fighter.

00:00:13.000 If you've ever seen any of those videos, particularly the most famous one was when Conor McGregor threw that dolly at the bus with Khabib Nurmagomedov was on it, and it became a huge part of the promotion, which I thought was weird that it was this...

00:00:28.000 Shameful act, right?

00:00:30.000 That he did that.

00:00:30.000 I mean, really awful.

00:00:31.000 Caught a bunch of innocent people that were on the bus, but they used it over and over and over again.

00:00:37.000 That was your footage.

00:00:38.000 Yes.

00:00:39.000 A lot of people didn't even know, including me.

00:00:40.000 No one did.

00:00:41.000 You know, I was telling a friend the other day, it was funny.

00:00:44.000 No one has ever heard this, but when it happened...

00:00:48.000 I showed Khabib at the back of the bus because he had a smile on his face.

00:00:52.000 And I showed him and everybody else on the bus that I actually caught Conor doing it because they didn't really know it was Conor.

00:00:58.000 Right.

00:00:58.000 So I remember Khabib looked at the footage.

00:01:00.000 I was holding the camera and he was like, brother.

00:01:04.000 You can get paid from this.

00:01:05.000 It's like, bro, this is worth $100,000.

00:01:07.000 He looked at his manager, Ali.

00:01:09.000 A shout out to Ali.

00:01:10.000 And he was like, give him some money.

00:01:13.000 He deserves this.

00:01:14.000 And then I gave it to the UFC to use for Embedded.

00:01:17.000 And I thought that was just it.

00:01:20.000 They promoted the fight with it and I was like, damn, I should have just leaned my head to the right and got hit by the dolly so I could not have to be doing, you know, GoFundMes and shit.

00:01:29.000 Well, what you should have done is ask for money for it.

00:01:32.000 That video footage was, it turned out it was very valuable.

00:01:35.000 Yeah.

00:01:35.000 Because it set up the fight, which also set up the post-fight brawl.

00:01:40.000 I mean, there was so much that was involved in him throwing that dolly, and you caught that video.

00:01:46.000 And they played that shit over and over and over.

00:01:48.000 I was actually kind of shocked that they did that.

00:01:50.000 Because at the time, we were like, whoa, Conor might go to jail.

00:01:54.000 That was like legitimate assault.

00:01:56.000 They used it the next day.

00:01:58.000 I was like, damn.

00:02:00.000 WME is merciless.

00:02:02.000 When I saw it on Fox News and CNN, I was just like, that's my footage.

00:02:07.000 Because when you're building a channel or a series like that, you think, oh, this is my moment.

00:02:13.000 Everybody has a moment.

00:02:15.000 Yeah.

00:02:15.000 And unfortunately, the UFC promoted it.

00:02:18.000 And shout out to them because they've been nothing but good to me.

00:02:21.000 I can't say anything.

00:02:22.000 I still wish I would have got something from it.

00:02:25.000 You should have got something from it.

00:02:26.000 Pull this mic up.

00:02:27.000 Just get it up there, like a fist from your face.

00:02:29.000 There you go.

00:02:30.000 Right there, right there.

00:02:31.000 Yeah, no, you do a fantastic job.

00:02:32.000 I mean, you really do.

00:02:34.000 And like I said, until that video footage came out, I didn't know that you weren't even a part of the UFC's promotion team.

00:02:41.000 I didn't know.

00:02:42.000 I thought maybe WME had hired you, and this is another thing that they're working on.

00:02:46.000 I did not know that you were independent.

00:02:48.000 Well...

00:02:49.000 What was crazy is that I started it almost two years ago.

00:02:52.000 I was just sitting at home in Florida.

00:02:54.000 I was living in South Florida.

00:02:55.000 And I was hanging out with the guys at the Black Zillions at Jocko.

00:02:59.000 I had stumbled over there one day at the gym.

00:03:02.000 And I seen it when I was grocery shopping and I just stopped in.

00:03:06.000 And I was doing stuff with Shannon Briggs.

00:03:08.000 Let's go, champ.

00:03:09.000 Let's go, champ.

00:03:09.000 You did your stuff?

00:03:10.000 I was going to the heavyweight factory.

00:03:12.000 You do all those?

00:03:14.000 No, I wasn't doing his phone videos.

00:03:16.000 What happened was I reached out to him and he invited me to the Heavyweight Factory.

00:03:21.000 Holyfield was there, everybody.

00:03:22.000 And I just went there a few times and I created some creative videos for them.

00:03:26.000 Holyfield's still working out?

00:03:28.000 He was.

00:03:29.000 When I was there, I seen him.

00:03:30.000 He still looks good.

00:03:31.000 He does, man.

00:03:32.000 He's crazy.

00:03:33.000 He's like 50 years old.

00:03:34.000 At least 50 years old.

00:03:35.000 I got some amazing stories that I've never released about Tyson fight, crazy things.

00:03:43.000 Him talking about him?

00:03:45.000 When are you putting it out?

00:03:46.000 Well, initially, Anatomy of Fighting was just supposed to be a documentary.

00:03:49.000 That was it.

00:03:50.000 That was it.

00:03:51.000 Just an hour-long documentary.

00:03:53.000 Yeah.

00:03:55.000 I never knew who a Khabib was or nothing.

00:03:58.000 Really?

00:03:58.000 I just didn't know.

00:04:00.000 I knew Michael Johnson and all these guys because they was at the Black Zillions.

00:04:04.000 The first day I ever went in a gym, Michael Chandler, Kamaru Uzman.

00:04:08.000 Shout out to Kamaru Uzman because the first time I ever saw him, I thought he was a bum.

00:04:12.000 What?

00:04:13.000 Because Michael Chandler gave it to him and I got it on camera.

00:04:16.000 And I thought Michael Chandler was the stud, right?

00:04:18.000 And then it was like, oh, he won the Ultimate Fighter, things like that.

00:04:21.000 So that was almost two years ago.

00:04:24.000 You thought he was a bum?

00:04:25.000 Yeah, just because I saw the- It wasn't a rough day in the gym.

00:04:28.000 It was sparring.

00:04:29.000 It was just sparring.

00:04:30.000 So I'm going around filming people, and then I just turned to the cage, and Michael Chandler just dropped him with a low shot, and then Michael Chandler walking around him.

00:04:38.000 I created this film called The Portrait of the Black Zillions.

00:04:41.000 That was the first thing I ever made because it was Glenn Robinson, RIP to him, and Tyrone Spong that really pushed me to do MMA. They saw the stuff that I did with Shannon Briggs.

00:04:52.000 And they called me into the office that same day that I gave whoever the manager was at Jocko the footage.

00:04:58.000 And Glenn just said, listen, we need this type of work in MMA. Like, this is high-quality stuff.

00:05:04.000 And Tyrone Spong was boxing, so I knew he was probably loving the footage with Shannon Briz because he didn't boxing.

00:05:11.000 And that's after he broke his leg against Kokan Saki, and he decided to just go straight to boxing.

00:05:15.000 So Tyrone, he's very persuasive.

00:05:18.000 And he's like, hey, hey, we need this in the gym.

00:05:21.000 So they gave me a pass to go to a sparring day and really work out with them.

00:05:27.000 And yeah, there it is right there.

00:05:29.000 But yeah, that's how it happened.

00:05:32.000 And I just kept going to the gym every day.

00:05:34.000 Put that back up, James.

00:05:36.000 Okay.

00:05:37.000 Yeah.

00:05:38.000 That's the first thing I ever filmed in my life called The Portrait of the Black Zillions.

00:05:42.000 And that shot of Michael Chandler, R.P. to Jordan Parsons.

00:05:47.000 That was a fighter that died after getting hit by a car.

00:05:50.000 But that's the first thing I ever filmed for Anatomy of Fire.

00:05:54.000 That was the sparring match.

00:05:56.000 And yeah, that was it.

00:05:58.000 And from there, everything was born.

00:06:01.000 I still was focusing on doing a documentary until I moved to Vegas a summer after that during a Conor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather fight.

00:06:11.000 I felt like I needed to move to Vegas because the energy was taking me there.

00:06:14.000 And I felt like, if I'm going to do a documentary, I might as well be in Vegas where a lot of fighters is.

00:06:19.000 This is a giant shift for you, right?

00:06:21.000 So what were you filming before two years ago when you were at the Black Zillions?

00:06:25.000 Before that, like I have a wedding business.

00:06:28.000 So I was doing weddings.

00:06:29.000 My big black ass is doing weddings.

00:06:31.000 Which is funny.

00:06:32.000 I'll go to these weddings and people will be like...

00:06:34.000 Because Will's sitting down.

00:06:35.000 Will's gigantic.

00:06:36.000 I'll tell you.

00:06:36.000 6'5".

00:06:37.000 So he's towered over all these people filming their weddings.

00:06:42.000 I really thought like, man, my life is miserable at one point.

00:06:45.000 I was like, I'm just shooting these.

00:06:46.000 Yeah.

00:06:47.000 After a while, like you win an award, then another award, then another award, and it's all based off reviews, right?

00:06:53.000 And it was like, man...

00:06:55.000 I gotta do something more than this.

00:06:57.000 So I did like basketball documentaries in Italy.

00:06:59.000 I lived in Italy for a minute.

00:07:01.000 I went to China, did a basketball documentary there because that's my background, basketball.

00:07:06.000 But after that, I was just like, man, what else can I do?

00:07:09.000 And I literally just stumbled.

00:07:10.000 I saw the gym one day, Jocko, and I was like, that's where them Black Zillions trained.

00:07:14.000 And I went over there and that's how all of it started.

00:07:16.000 So you just walked in, no martial arts training?

00:07:18.000 Nothing.

00:07:18.000 I just saw the gym and I was like, that's Jocko.

00:07:22.000 I know the Black Zillions trainer.

00:07:23.000 So I went in there like midday.

00:07:25.000 Nobody was in there.

00:07:26.000 And I just said, listen, I'm a filmmaker.

00:07:27.000 I would love to film some of these fighters.

00:07:29.000 Did you go to school for that?

00:07:31.000 Yeah.

00:07:31.000 So I went to college at University of Southern Indiana in Evansville on a basketball scholarship.

00:07:37.000 I was a top senior in America coming out of high school.

00:07:41.000 And I went to this top Division II school after I tried to wait my senior year to get some Division I offers.

00:07:49.000 If people know, Division I is the top level of basketball, and then Division II is right under that.

00:07:55.000 Probably not now, but back then it was.

00:07:58.000 And I went.

00:07:59.000 Bruce Pearl was my coach.

00:08:01.000 He was very persuasive to get me to come to the university.

00:08:03.000 He coaches at Auburn now.

00:08:05.000 They just went to the Final Four this year, if you know anything about basketball.

00:08:09.000 But I played my first year, and then going into my second year, I tore my ACL. And my life was over.

00:08:17.000 All I knew was basketball.

00:08:18.000 If anybody know anything about Carbondale, it's about 25,000 people.

00:08:21.000 People don't leave that town.

00:08:23.000 It's kind of a miserable thing.

00:08:26.000 I think the average household median income there is like $16,000 a year for families.

00:08:30.000 Jesus.

00:08:31.000 So you come from the bottom.

00:08:33.000 Did you get it repaired?

00:08:35.000 No.

00:08:35.000 Yeah.

00:08:35.000 So I had surgery.

00:08:36.000 I had the red shirt.

00:08:37.000 So when you're in college and you sit out of your red shirt.

00:08:39.000 So one day I was dating this girl and she was going to Walmart.

00:08:42.000 And she literally was just like, you want to come to Walmart with me?

00:08:45.000 And I was like, yeah.

00:08:46.000 I had some Pell Grant money.

00:08:48.000 And I was addicted to the...

00:08:50.000 You remember the MTV show Road Rules in Real World?

00:08:53.000 Yeah.

00:08:53.000 I used to be addicted to that stuff.

00:08:54.000 So I used to watch it all the time.

00:08:56.000 And I went to Walmart that day and bought a camera.

00:08:58.000 That was a Sony Handycam.

00:09:01.000 The one you used to put little mini DVDs in.

00:09:04.000 And that was the birth.

00:09:06.000 Literally, my life changed as soon as I bought that camera.

00:09:08.000 And I was like, oh, I'm going to just film my rehab and come back more ferocious.

00:09:13.000 And all I was doing was filming girls at parties, doing bongs and shit like that.

00:09:18.000 Literally, for four years, I had a camera every day.

00:09:20.000 So you just stopped playing basketball?

00:09:22.000 No, I continued to play basketball.

00:09:24.000 I came back a year after my red shirt.

00:09:27.000 I finished at one of the top five scores in school history and university history, top four rebounds, all-time leader in field goal percentage, All-American my senior year.

00:09:36.000 We went to the national championship, played on national TV, everything.

00:09:39.000 After that was done, I wasn't the same player after I tore my ACL. I can just admit that.

00:09:44.000 I was this high-flying, super-freak, athletic, 45-inch vertical type of player.

00:09:50.000 I couldn't do that anymore, so I had to adjust my whole game.

00:09:53.000 What was wrong?

00:09:55.000 I don't know.

00:09:56.000 Maybe I just, you know, it was different back in 2001, right?

00:10:00.000 As far as the surgery?

00:10:01.000 Yeah, as far as surgery.

00:10:02.000 Did you get the patella tendon graft?

00:10:04.000 I got patella, yep.

00:10:04.000 That's rough when they come back.

00:10:05.000 And they don't do that anymore.

00:10:07.000 They still do.

00:10:08.000 They do?

00:10:08.000 Yeah, George St. Pierre had that done.

00:10:10.000 They do that sometimes because they think that the patella tendon, I had it done in 90, no.

00:10:17.000 Yeah, 93. I had it done on this leg.

00:10:19.000 And then this one I had the cadaver, which was way easier.

00:10:22.000 Cadaver's like a six-month rehab, and I was back to jiu-jitsu 100%.

00:10:26.000 I was always, like, slightly knock-kneed, right?

00:10:29.000 And it's like that surgery made my left knee even more knock.

00:10:32.000 And it's like, that's why I was telling Jamie, like, I need that because I feel like I need to, like, strengthen my IT. Oh, you mean Jamie has this crazy roller thing.

00:10:40.000 What is that thing called again, Jamie?

00:10:41.000 A roll recovery.

00:10:43.000 Here, pull it up.

00:10:44.000 All right.

00:10:44.000 I got it on.

00:10:46.000 Yeah, I need something like that.

00:10:48.000 Jamie's showing everybody.

00:10:49.000 There you go.

00:10:50.000 It's crazy.

00:10:50.000 Heavy duty.

00:10:51.000 You clamp that thing down your thigh.

00:10:52.000 It didn't seem that good for my calves.

00:10:55.000 Well, you were standing on it.

00:10:56.000 You can't have any tension on it or whatever.

00:10:59.000 But your thigh, it seems like it would be a lot of pressure because it's like a spring.

00:11:03.000 The thicker your muscle.

00:11:06.000 I don't know how much weight it is pushing on it, but it's a lot.

00:11:09.000 And you can also push with both sides.

00:11:12.000 For sure, yeah.

00:11:12.000 What's it called then?

00:11:13.000 R8 role recovery.

00:11:15.000 It said medical grade on the box.

00:11:17.000 I was like, okay.

00:11:17.000 Oh, medical grade.

00:11:18.000 Like weed.

00:11:19.000 Yeah.

00:11:19.000 I feel like I need that to wake up my left leg still to this day.

00:11:23.000 Two decades later.

00:11:25.000 Did you go through rehab and everything?

00:11:27.000 I did.

00:11:28.000 I did all that.

00:11:29.000 It just didn't work as good?

00:11:29.000 So listen, I recovered fine.

00:11:31.000 My college career was totally fine.

00:11:33.000 But you just didn't feel the same?

00:11:35.000 I just didn't.

00:11:35.000 Honestly, I lost the love of basketball.

00:11:38.000 Honestly, after...

00:11:40.000 That's all I had in my life was basketball.

00:11:43.000 So once that was gone, even when I came back, I wasn't the same.

00:11:48.000 So even though I had games where I was 25 points, 15 rebounds, like great games, winning all these awards, all regional, it just wasn't there anymore.

00:11:59.000 And I had this camera That I love to just have because that year off, my first ever film I ever did was I went around campus and filmed girls and asked them who the hottest athletes was.

00:12:14.000 And I felt like they gave me power.

00:12:17.000 They gave me power just to be able to...

00:12:19.000 Because back then, that's when Girls Gone Wild was popular.

00:12:21.000 Oh, wow.

00:12:22.000 Yeah, that was 2000. Girls Gone Wild.

00:12:25.000 Remember that?

00:12:26.000 Man, Girls Gone Wild.

00:12:27.000 Doug Stanhope hosted that at one point in time.

00:12:31.000 Yeah.

00:12:31.000 That's funny.

00:12:32.000 So I graduated college in 2004. And I moved to Phoenix with my best friend, Mr. Organic.

00:12:40.000 And he was out there just living.

00:12:42.000 And I wanted to get out of my little town.

00:12:44.000 So I went out there and I kind of wanted to like take a year off and then try to play professional basketball.

00:12:50.000 Because you either play in the NBA or you go overseas to play basketball.

00:12:55.000 So I went to Phoenix with no idea what I was going to do in my life.

00:13:00.000 And I literally started working at a call center.

00:13:06.000 What was that old phone company that went out of business?

00:13:10.000 I can't remember what it was called, but I used to just call people, collect, and try to get them to sign up for long distance.

00:13:19.000 I got caught every word in the book every day, but it was funny.

00:13:22.000 People was calling you the N-word and everything, and you're just laughing because they're bad, right?

00:13:26.000 And then you convince some 90-year-old lady to sign up for long distance knowing it's illegal as hell.

00:13:30.000 You're just convincing this lady to sign up for long distance.

00:13:34.000 But I was good at it, though.

00:13:35.000 I was good at it.

00:13:36.000 So that was my first job I ever had in my life.

00:13:38.000 So it's like one of them shady phone, they call you up.

00:13:42.000 I get those robocalls.

00:13:44.000 Yeah.

00:13:44.000 You did that shit?

00:13:45.000 Do you want unlimited long distance?

00:13:47.000 Do you feel guilty?

00:13:49.000 A little bit.

00:13:50.000 But they went out of business like six months after I had the job.

00:13:57.000 From there, I just didn't know what I was going to do.

00:14:01.000 He's not my cousin, but he's somebody we all call our cousins.

00:14:05.000 Black people, we call everybody our cousins.

00:14:07.000 He played in the NBA. His name was Troy Hudson.

00:14:10.000 He was from my town.

00:14:11.000 He was the most successful person that ever got out of our town.

00:14:14.000 He was playing for the Minnesota Timberwolves.

00:14:16.000 I reached out to him because I basically was like, listen, man.

00:14:19.000 I need help because I want to play basketball again, but I don't have an agent.

00:14:25.000 I don't have anything.

00:14:26.000 So he kind of invited us up to Minneapolis.

00:14:29.000 That's the first time I literally went from Evansville, Phoenix to Minneapolis to try to pursue this whole basketball career.

00:14:35.000 And I did that for like three years, like chasing it, going to tryouts, things like that, sending tapes to agents and things like that.

00:14:43.000 And it just didn't pan out.

00:14:45.000 Nothing stuck.

00:14:45.000 You know, I had opportunities.

00:14:47.000 I just wasn't the same player.

00:14:49.000 And I can admit that.

00:14:50.000 And I'm comfortable with that.

00:14:51.000 Because I know I had a successful basketball career.

00:14:53.000 It just didn't go to the level where I made millions of dollars.

00:14:57.000 So after that, man, I was literally stuck.

00:14:59.000 After traveling around the world, I ended up in Malaysia.

00:15:02.000 I was in Australia trying to pursue...

00:15:04.000 Malaysia?

00:15:04.000 You don't want to know how I ended up over here?

00:15:06.000 I do want to know.

00:15:07.000 Man, this is funny.

00:15:09.000 Only a few people know this story.

00:15:11.000 So...

00:15:13.000 When you're at your bottom, you try to find something for comfort.

00:15:16.000 I've never done weed or anything in my life, but I was addicted to online dating back then.

00:15:22.000 Really?

00:15:23.000 Yes, I was trying to meet girls just to try to find some situation.

00:15:27.000 I felt like, oh, I feel incomplete, so let me online date or whatever.

00:15:31.000 And I met this girl.

00:15:32.000 One of my friends in Phoenix played basketball in Kuala Lumpur.

00:15:36.000 So, obviously, you need a visa to go over there.

00:15:38.000 So, I'm thinking to myself, what's the...

00:15:41.000 The way I could get over there to Kuala Lumpur and try to play basketball.

00:15:44.000 So I was like, online, dated.

00:15:46.000 I don't even remember what website it was.

00:15:48.000 You're a good looking guy.

00:15:49.000 I know.

00:15:49.000 How are you not getting girls in America?

00:15:51.000 I do.

00:15:52.000 But I'm just saying, I was just...

00:15:54.000 Listen, my whole point...

00:15:55.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:15:55.000 My point was, I literally met this girl in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

00:16:00.000 She was from Canada.

00:16:00.000 She was a singer over there singing in little military bars or whatever.

00:16:04.000 A little hot blonde or whatever she was.

00:16:07.000 And...

00:16:08.000 I remember talking to her for about a month and I convinced her that I wanted to come visit her.

00:16:12.000 But my whole intention was, let me get over there, try to find out what this team is and see if I can try out for them.

00:16:18.000 Some crazy shit.

00:16:19.000 You don't do that today.

00:16:20.000 I did it back then.

00:16:22.000 So I went over there.

00:16:24.000 I'm laughing because I know people that know me is dying listening to this right now.

00:16:28.000 This is a true 100% story.

00:16:31.000 I get over there.

00:16:33.000 To Malaysia with no money.

00:16:35.000 I may have $400.

00:16:37.000 I got people to pay for a ticket.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, I'm going to Malaysia to play basketball.

00:16:41.000 Just lying to people, right?

00:16:42.000 So I get over there, this girl.

00:16:44.000 I don't want to say her name.

00:16:45.000 She might sue me.

00:16:46.000 But she picked me up at the airport.

00:16:49.000 She looked exactly like her pictures.

00:16:51.000 Beautiful from Canada, everything.

00:16:53.000 So she take me to her apartment.

00:16:56.000 She got this nice apartment.

00:16:57.000 It's like in the jungle, Joe.

00:16:59.000 I'm talking about the balcony.

00:17:00.000 I seen little monkeys on the balcony.

00:17:03.000 Yes, it was crazy.

00:17:04.000 And then it's like a rainforest, right?

00:17:06.000 And then in Malaysia, if you've ever been to Malaysia, I don't know if it's like that now, the doors are high off the ground, like two inches.

00:17:13.000 So it's like anything can crawl under the doors or whatever.

00:17:17.000 So that's the first thing I noticed when I got to Malaysia.

00:17:19.000 I was like, this is some crazy shit, right?

00:17:21.000 We're in the jungle.

00:17:22.000 Like, what about snakes or bugs?

00:17:25.000 I remember asking these little kids when I first got to Malaysia.

00:17:28.000 I was like, have you ever seen a snake?

00:17:31.000 Like, In this area, they were like, yeah, I seen a cobra and all this stuff.

00:17:35.000 And I was just like, holy shit.

00:17:37.000 But back to her, she turned out to be a sex addict.

00:17:42.000 Yes.

00:17:42.000 Congratulations.

00:17:43.000 Man, listen.

00:17:45.000 Yo, this is crazy.

00:17:46.000 Because this is way before I ever decided I'm going to do film for a living, right?

00:17:52.000 I was over there...

00:17:55.000 The first day I got there, I had a good time with her.

00:17:58.000 Then I ended up having relations with the lady.

00:18:01.000 And she turned out to be a sex addict.

00:18:03.000 So as a man, I just flew all the way across the world to see this girl.

00:18:08.000 You sleep with her.

00:18:09.000 And then all of a sudden, she wanted to do it again and again and again.

00:18:12.000 And then when you slow down, I just got here.

00:18:15.000 Bro, she started crying and going nuts.

00:18:17.000 And in Malaysia, I'm like, I don't know who this girl is.

00:18:20.000 Oh, no.

00:18:20.000 Listen.

00:18:21.000 She's crying because you won't fuck her again?

00:18:22.000 Yes.

00:18:23.000 How many times did you fuck her?

00:18:24.000 About two times.

00:18:25.000 That you wanted to go?

00:18:26.000 Yeah.

00:18:27.000 Two long times, too.

00:18:29.000 Like, shit.

00:18:30.000 Like, it was crazy.

00:18:31.000 So, listen, I am in Malaysia.

00:18:34.000 I'm not in America.

00:18:35.000 I'm in Malaysia.

00:18:36.000 So, the crazy thing is, probably after a week, she started to go crazy and complain about, I'm not sleeping with her.

00:18:45.000 I'm in my prime, my sexual peak, and you don't want to sleep with me.

00:18:50.000 And I'm just thinking to myself, like...

00:18:52.000 I don't know, what the fuck am I doing over here in Malaysia with this lady?

00:18:55.000 So I ended up meeting this black guy that she introduced me to that was like a hustler in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

00:19:02.000 And I started hanging out with him just to get out of the house.

00:19:07.000 You like living with this guy?

00:19:08.000 I don't have any money to go home.

00:19:09.000 Oh my God.

00:19:10.000 So I'm just stuck in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

00:19:12.000 Oh my God, with this beautiful girl that you have to fuck all the time.

00:19:14.000 Yeah.

00:19:15.000 First world problems, right?

00:19:17.000 Serious first world problems.

00:19:18.000 And then she started getting even bitter, like, I hate Americans.

00:19:21.000 You Americans are so ungrateful.

00:19:23.000 And I'm just thinking like, damn.

00:19:26.000 Wow, you're representing America.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:19:28.000 I was like, damn, I must have just didn't do it good enough.

00:19:33.000 I thought I... Girls be lying then to me.

00:19:36.000 Right?

00:19:37.000 Maybe she's just extraordinary.

00:19:38.000 She was like in her late 30s and I was in my early 20s.

00:19:42.000 So...

00:19:42.000 Some girls in their late 30s, they hit this itchy peak.

00:19:46.000 Man.

00:19:46.000 They're just like all the time.

00:19:47.000 She ended up kicking me out of her house in Malaysia, Joe.

00:19:50.000 Wow.

00:19:51.000 Like, I went out with Bobby one night, this dude.

00:19:54.000 His name was Bobby too.

00:19:55.000 And...

00:19:57.000 I came home and she said, your stuff is outside.

00:20:00.000 She texted me.

00:20:01.000 I had a little international phone.

00:20:03.000 She was like, your stuff is outside.

00:20:04.000 I'm thinking like, she was like, yeah, this is not working out.

00:20:07.000 So think about that.

00:20:08.000 Imagine being in another country and this is not working out.

00:20:11.000 No money.

00:20:12.000 Zero.

00:20:13.000 Not a dime.

00:20:15.000 And the guy that I was with, I told him what happened.

00:20:18.000 He was like, I'm going to take you over there, get your stuff.

00:20:19.000 You can stay with me until you figure it out.

00:20:21.000 I get there and all my stuff is outside.

00:20:25.000 Everything.

00:20:25.000 She's not there.

00:20:26.000 She's done left or whatever.

00:20:28.000 And I had some brand new Timberlands.

00:20:30.000 Remember the Boots Timberlands?

00:20:31.000 Hey, I'm poor.

00:20:32.000 Shit, I need them Timberlands.

00:20:33.000 They in the house.

00:20:34.000 I had them worn brand new.

00:20:35.000 So I kicked the door down.

00:20:36.000 Boom!

00:20:37.000 Oh, no.

00:20:37.000 Yes.

00:20:38.000 Like, I was trying to get in the door.

00:20:39.000 I just kicked it.

00:20:40.000 And it broke.

00:20:41.000 Like, the little handle broke.

00:20:42.000 I got in and got my Timberlands left.

00:20:44.000 I remember she texted me.

00:20:44.000 She was like, hey, did you break my door?

00:20:46.000 I was like, nah, I don't know what you're talking about.

00:20:48.000 I just left.

00:20:49.000 So, from there, I stayed with Bobby for like three weeks.

00:20:53.000 In Malaysia.

00:20:54.000 I was hanging out with him every day going to parties and I'm like, bro, I got to get home to America.

00:21:00.000 So I contacted one of my mentors growing up in Australia.

00:21:05.000 He was playing professional basketball in Melbourne named Rashad Tucker.

00:21:08.000 Shout out to him.

00:21:09.000 And I convinced him to get me a ticket to come over to Melbourne because I was like, bro, I need some money to go home.

00:21:16.000 And he was like, nah, man, I'll just get you a ticket to come to Melbourne.

00:21:19.000 I was like, bro.

00:21:21.000 Literally, like, I'm trying to go back to America.

00:21:23.000 I don't know what to.

00:21:25.000 But then when he sold me on, I was like, damn, I really ain't going back to nothing.

00:21:28.000 So let me go.

00:21:29.000 He was like, man, you can come over here and try out for the team.

00:21:32.000 You can try out practice with us.

00:21:33.000 And I was like, oh, that may be my opportunity to play professional basketball.

00:21:37.000 He's one of the top players in Australia.

00:21:39.000 So I ended up in Melbourne.

00:21:41.000 And I was in Melbourne for three months, not doing shit, but going out, practicing with the team.

00:21:47.000 It was mid-season, so I couldn't make a team because they was already, you know, they think.

00:21:52.000 And then I ended up getting stranded over there, too.

00:21:55.000 Because he left me because he cheated on his girlfriend and he had to go make up with her.

00:22:01.000 So he left me talking about I'm going to be back.

00:22:03.000 And then I was just stuck in Australia like, yo, bro, I need to get back to America.

00:22:08.000 No job.

00:22:08.000 No job, no money, nothing.

00:22:10.000 Oh my God.

00:22:11.000 He was like, I'm glad I was young when I did all this stuff.

00:22:14.000 He was like, hey man, tell one of them girls a sob story.

00:22:18.000 They'll get you a sob story.

00:22:21.000 I'm like, a sob story?

00:22:22.000 Bro, you have money.

00:22:24.000 Buy me a ticket to go home.

00:22:25.000 Man, I can't do it right now.

00:22:27.000 I'm like, man.

00:22:28.000 So I had to tell this girl a sob story.

00:22:31.000 Her name was Deanna.

00:22:32.000 Deanna Kassar.

00:22:33.000 I'm giving her a shout-out because she saved my life.

00:22:36.000 She bought me a ticket home.

00:22:38.000 She went in her savings and bought me a ticket back from Melbourne to Honolulu to Las Vegas.

00:22:45.000 And...

00:22:47.000 I didn't know why I chose Las Vegas, but I just chose to go to Las Vegas.

00:22:51.000 So you literally had zero money.

00:22:53.000 Zero money.

00:22:54.000 How were you eating?

00:22:56.000 Shit.

00:22:57.000 Her.

00:22:57.000 People that I was around, right?

00:22:59.000 They just fed you.

00:23:00.000 Yeah.

00:23:00.000 Man, sometimes you have angels in your life.

00:23:02.000 And I guess these people were angels because I was just telling Jamie, like I just seen a documentary on homelessness.

00:23:08.000 It was like four out of five people in LA County, paycheck to paycheck.

00:23:13.000 I think it was like eight, like, or it's four out of five people are like one $400 emergency from being broke.

00:23:19.000 Yeah.

00:23:19.000 Or it was like 80% of people live paycheck to paycheck.

00:23:22.000 So I always tell people like when I'm inspiring people now, I'm like, bro, I was homeless once because that's essentially homelessness.

00:23:29.000 If you ain't got an address, you can't pay bills, you're homeless.

00:23:32.000 No matter if you got a roof over your head.

00:23:34.000 And I feel like people...

00:23:37.000 You see all these beautiful moments that I do now, or what anybody does, and they don't see the story that ultimately led you.

00:23:45.000 Like, what ultimately turned to you doing what you're doing now?

00:23:49.000 So, after Australia, I went to Vegas.

00:23:51.000 I was living with two strippers.

00:23:54.000 Yes, I lived with two strippers.

00:23:56.000 Congratulations again.

00:23:57.000 Yeah, I lived in Vegas with two strippers that worked at the Rhino, the Spearman Rhino.

00:24:02.000 I met them on Craigslist.

00:24:04.000 For rooms to rent.

00:24:05.000 Jesus Christ.

00:24:07.000 And I had enough money, like $600 to move into a room.

00:24:12.000 So I literally moved in with these girls.

00:24:15.000 And one day, have you ever been in the Vegas casinos?

00:24:20.000 Because this is like the climax.

00:24:22.000 You ever seen like the mega bucks slots?

00:24:25.000 Sure.

00:24:25.000 So one day it was Floyd Mayweather versus Oscar De La Hoya.

00:24:28.000 So that was the year.

00:24:30.000 I was in the Mirage and I seen these two hot black girls.

00:24:35.000 And I had like some money in my pocket, honeyed or something.

00:24:38.000 So I wanted to sit down next to them.

00:24:40.000 So I went over there and sat next to them and was just, you know, trying to shoot the shit.

00:24:44.000 And I put a $20 in them slots because, you know, you can get free drinks if you put in a slot.

00:24:49.000 So I just hitting it, talking to them, where y'all from?

00:24:51.000 Y'all going into a fight?

00:24:52.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:24:52.000 And then one of the girls was like...

00:24:54.000 Hey, you won.

00:24:55.000 I was like, oh, okay.

00:24:56.000 You know, you think you ain't winning no slots.

00:24:58.000 Guess how much I won?

00:24:59.000 How much?

00:24:59.000 $9,000.

00:25:01.000 Whoa.

00:25:01.000 Swear to God.

00:25:03.000 $9,000 to somebody broke.

00:25:06.000 Wow.

00:25:06.000 Yes, $9,000.

00:25:09.000 When they give you that, do you pay taxes on it later?

00:25:11.000 Yeah, I gave him a wrong social security number, though.

00:25:14.000 You gave him the wrong social?

00:25:16.000 Yeah, I gave him the wrong social.

00:25:19.000 Yeah, because they just asked you your name and social candy number.

00:25:21.000 Oh, okay.

00:25:22.000 Maybe you shouldn't have just told everybody that.

00:25:24.000 I don't know.

00:25:25.000 They can't prove that I want anything.

00:25:28.000 They can't?

00:25:29.000 That was like 12 years ago.

00:25:30.000 They didn't have records back then?

00:25:32.000 I don't think so.

00:25:33.000 I hope not.

00:25:34.000 Nah, me too.

00:25:35.000 Ain't nobody gonna watch this.

00:25:36.000 Nobody's watching this right now?

00:25:37.000 No, no one.

00:25:38.000 This is...

00:25:39.000 Nobody's gonna watch this.

00:25:39.000 Nothing.

00:25:41.000 So after that, I literally lived off that nine grand for about the rest of the summer.

00:25:46.000 And I ended up moving to San Diego after that.

00:25:50.000 Like, I'm skipping some stuff, but I moved to San Diego.

00:25:52.000 And that's when my life changed.

00:25:54.000 Because I lived in San Diego and was just partying.

00:25:57.000 What brought you to San Diego?

00:25:58.000 I met a guy in Vegas during the night of the Floyd Mayweather fight and just partied with him that night.

00:26:04.000 And I just got his phone number one time and then I was just, you know, staying in touch with him or whatever.

00:26:08.000 And then he was like, I live in San Diego.

00:26:10.000 He's in the Navy, Dr. Bill.

00:26:12.000 And I literally said, let me come out there one weekend.

00:26:16.000 I was like, let me just come out there and kick it with you or whatever, because he was telling me how great San Diego was.

00:26:20.000 And I went out there and I didn't leave for four years.

00:26:23.000 San Diego's pretty awesome.

00:26:25.000 Yeah, I love San Diego.

00:26:26.000 But I essentially was doing the same thing I was doing for the past couple years.

00:26:31.000 Lost.

00:26:32.000 Because you got to understand, like, athletes go through this now.

00:26:35.000 Like, I just did.

00:26:35.000 I just released an episode with Ron Bader on my channel.

00:26:38.000 And I talked to him about that.

00:26:40.000 Like, when your sports career is done, a lot of people go to something else.

00:26:44.000 They lost and things like that.

00:26:45.000 And I was for about four or five years.

00:26:49.000 And it wasn't until I lived in San Diego that I figured, I was like, man, I got to really do something with my life.

00:26:54.000 I'm literally a failure.

00:26:56.000 I have a college degree.

00:26:58.000 I graduated from college.

00:26:59.000 So it wasn't like, I just didn't want that responsibility of having to do a 9 to 5 or things like that.

00:27:04.000 So it wasn't until I lived in San Diego that I literally talked to the guy that I was living with and was like, bro...

00:27:11.000 I don't know what I'm gonna do in my life, bro, but I gotta figure something out.

00:27:14.000 I was like nearing 30 and I ended up moving to Minneapolis, back to Minneapolis, and I got a job as a teacher, like a teacher's assistant.

00:27:24.000 They called it behavior assistant.

00:27:25.000 I was like working with kindergarten kids.

00:27:28.000 Jesus.

00:27:28.000 Literally.

00:27:29.000 Crazy life, right?

00:27:30.000 What a crazy life.

00:27:31.000 To end up where I'm at now to be on Joe Rogan, right?

00:27:33.000 So it was March 3rd, 2011. It was like negative 20 degrees outside.

00:27:40.000 I was living with my guy, my best friend.

00:27:43.000 And I went to work that day, and it was freezing outside, and they literally still went to recess that day.

00:27:48.000 I'll never forget that.

00:27:50.000 They was like, oh, put your coats and gloves on, kids.

00:27:53.000 It's time to go to recess.

00:27:55.000 And I was like, what do you mean?

00:27:56.000 Are we going to the gym or outside?

00:27:57.000 They were like, we're going outside.

00:27:58.000 I was like, man, these people in Minnesota are crazy.

00:28:00.000 Those are hard people, bro.

00:28:02.000 That was the last day I ever worked in my life.

00:28:04.000 You said, fuck this?

00:28:05.000 I can't do it, man.

00:28:06.000 You can't be outside in that weather?

00:28:07.000 It was just the fact that I was like, what am I doing with my life?

00:28:11.000 I'm working with Kenneth.

00:28:12.000 Great, rewarding job.

00:28:13.000 I'm like, what?

00:28:14.000 There's nothing wrong with me.

00:28:16.000 I'm physically able to do anything.

00:28:18.000 I'm intelligent enough to do anything.

00:28:20.000 I'm qualified enough to do anything.

00:28:22.000 You're a victim of circumstance.

00:28:23.000 Things just kept happening.

00:28:25.000 Things kept happening.

00:28:26.000 And a lot of it is my fault.

00:28:28.000 Because you're just lazy, right?

00:28:29.000 Right.

00:28:30.000 So, March 3rd, 2011 is the day I said I'm quitting my job.

00:28:35.000 I went back to my apartment with my roommate.

00:28:37.000 He was pissed.

00:28:38.000 He was like, bro, you always quitting jobs.

00:28:41.000 And he was like, bro, what you gonna do?

00:28:42.000 I was like, bro, I'm finna figure something out.

00:28:44.000 I'm finna buy a camera or do something.

00:28:46.000 He was like, yeah, yeah, whatever.

00:28:48.000 And we literally was sitting in the kitchen, in this little kitchen on the floor, talking about life.

00:28:53.000 Because I would just tell, I literally mentally broke.

00:28:56.000 I was like, bro, I'm just jacked.

00:28:58.000 Like, I got to figure something out.

00:28:59.000 Pell Grant was coming up.

00:29:01.000 I was getting my tax returns back, and I had enough to buy a camera.

00:29:05.000 And the first camera I ever bought was a Canon T2i.

00:29:08.000 It was like $800, and I bought a lens.

00:29:11.000 And that was it.

00:29:11.000 That was it.

00:29:13.000 It changed my life.

00:29:14.000 And I literally spent like the next year shooting videos in garages like cars coming up, filming the wheels.

00:29:21.000 And I was just really literally honing myself because back then when I had a camera in college, digital cameras weren't even out until 2008, like these little new style cameras.

00:29:31.000 So I had to relearn everything.

00:29:33.000 And I relearned a lot from YouTube and Vimeo.

00:29:35.000 And I was watching.

00:29:37.000 I had a creative eye and a mindset.

00:29:39.000 So I was just like, I got to get the skill set.

00:29:41.000 So I started doing rap videos for $50, $100, free.

00:29:47.000 You know, I tell all these kids that message me now, like, bro, I spent two years doing videos for free.

00:29:53.000 Just trying to learn how to do this stuff.

00:29:55.000 Everybody want to get paid for something.

00:29:57.000 And I'm like, you probably don't deserve to get paid yet.

00:30:00.000 So I have friends.

00:30:02.000 Shout out to Mac Irv, Mr. Organic.

00:30:04.000 I was shooting their videos for free and I was just getting better.

00:30:08.000 I was getting better and better and better and better.

00:30:11.000 And then like three years into it, I shot a music video called Saks Fifth Avenue.

00:30:15.000 So you're editing these as well?

00:30:17.000 I'm editing them, doing them all.

00:30:18.000 What are you editing on?

00:30:19.000 At the time, I was editing on Sony Vegas, an old program.

00:30:25.000 I remember that.

00:30:26.000 It's popular now.

00:30:28.000 It's pretty easy to use.

00:30:30.000 It was cheap to buy, like $90, so I was able to use that.

00:30:35.000 Like the movie studio version.

00:30:37.000 You don't get all the little tools, but you got enough.

00:30:40.000 And I had this cheap laptop that this girl bought me.

00:30:45.000 She lied and told me she was going to buy me a camera and ended up buying me a laptop.

00:30:48.000 I was pissed off.

00:30:51.000 And I was like...

00:30:52.000 She was like, listen...

00:30:53.000 The most popular camera back in 2011 was a Canon 5D Mark II. It was like $2,000.

00:31:02.000 I couldn't afford that.

00:31:03.000 So I met this girl online...

00:31:08.000 Literally, from Denver, Colorado, from Denver, Colorado.

00:31:12.000 You know, you start your little love affair, whatever, you talking, you promising, and I want to see you.

00:31:16.000 So one day she was like, I'm going to come see you in Minnesota.

00:31:19.000 This is around the time I started.

00:31:22.000 And she told me she was going to buy me that camera because I was telling her that's like my dream camera, my dream camera.

00:31:27.000 And I remember my roommate, like I run in his room like, look, bro, look at this short film that was shot with this camera.

00:31:34.000 I'm finna have this camera, bro.

00:31:35.000 We finna do all types of things.

00:31:36.000 So she like kept telling me she had the camera, kept telling me she had the camera.

00:31:40.000 So like the day she came, I picked her up.

00:31:42.000 I had this little used 1992 Ford Taurus.

00:31:45.000 It was blue.

00:31:46.000 And I picked her up at the airport.

00:31:49.000 I remember I was like, where the camera at?

00:31:53.000 As soon as she picked me up or the camera, she was like, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry.

00:31:57.000 And I'm like driving thinking like, man, she ain't got this camera.

00:31:59.000 She lied to me.

00:32:00.000 She just want to see me, right?

00:32:01.000 So we get to my apartment.

00:32:03.000 My boy, he anticipating it too.

00:32:05.000 He's like, man, he finna get this camera.

00:32:07.000 We finna shoot all the music videos, right?

00:32:09.000 Because if you get this camera at this time, you're shooting with a 5D. So I remember she was like, here's a gift.

00:32:16.000 She put out the gift, and I'm like, this ain't no camera box.

00:32:19.000 It was a brand new laptop, and I'm sitting there complaining.

00:32:23.000 I'm complaining about a laptop, and I already have a camera, but she gave me this laptop, and I was just like, all right, cool.

00:32:29.000 So she gave me the laptop, and And I get the Sony Vegas program and then I started editing with that.

00:32:35.000 And I had that camera for about two years.

00:32:37.000 Where's that girl?

00:32:39.000 I don't know.

00:32:41.000 There's a lot of that in my life.

00:32:43.000 And I don't blame them girls.

00:32:45.000 Listen, man.

00:32:46.000 I used to be one of those guys.

00:32:48.000 You know them girls that's materialistic and they're all about nice things and they like to travel.

00:32:53.000 You ever date a girl and you see her previous boyfriend and they be like, damn, they done went to Napa Valley and fucking Vegas for her birthday or New York.

00:33:03.000 And you're like, damn, I can't even take you to the movies.

00:33:06.000 I'm like, damn.

00:33:07.000 So for me, if a girl get tired of you, Now they call it ghosting, right?

00:33:12.000 They call it ghosting.

00:33:13.000 But back then, ghosting, that's what ghosting was.

00:33:16.000 It was like, oh, this guy ain't worth nothing.

00:33:17.000 Let me get rid of him.

00:33:18.000 So she left.

00:33:21.000 She left.

00:33:23.000 I had a summer job.

00:33:24.000 My last ever official job was at 43 Hoops in Minnesota.

00:33:27.000 It was a basketball academy where I was there with a lot of pro basketball players or semi-pro or guys that had college experience.

00:33:35.000 And we just taught kids all the time.

00:33:37.000 And I was getting paid, you know, $20 an hour, $25 an hour per session to teach kids.

00:33:44.000 And I kind of made a ruckus there, too, complaining about just, bro, we teaching 20 kids and I'm only getting $20.

00:33:51.000 How much are y'all getting for all these kids, right?

00:33:53.000 But, I mean, that's just work, right?

00:33:55.000 I shouldn't complain about a job.

00:33:57.000 But that whole summer, I was just telling everybody in there, I'm going to do film.

00:34:01.000 I'm moving back to California.

00:34:02.000 I'm about to just do film.

00:34:03.000 I'm about to do film.

00:34:04.000 Because I had enough.

00:34:05.000 I was doing videos at that point, but now I have a part-time job and I'm able to do videos.

00:34:09.000 And I'll never forget one day, I was telling a group of guys in there, I'm quitting this job and I'm finna go do filming.

00:34:16.000 I just remember the look on their face like, you know, like the boy that cried wolf.

00:34:20.000 Whatever, man.

00:34:21.000 You ain't gonna do anything.

00:34:21.000 But that drove me insane, Joe.

00:34:23.000 Doubt.

00:34:24.000 Doubt drove me insane.

00:34:25.000 People doubting you.

00:34:26.000 People doubting me.

00:34:26.000 That's what I needed.

00:34:27.000 I needed that fuel where people could tell me I couldn't do anything.

00:34:30.000 You needed haters.

00:34:31.000 I needed haters.

00:34:32.000 And it drove me insane.

00:34:33.000 And I went nuts.

00:34:36.000 And I started shooting a lot of music videos that any videographer out there that knows this industry, they know, like music videos feed you.

00:34:43.000 You make a lot of money.

00:34:44.000 It's a recession-proof business.

00:34:46.000 People are always going to need music videos, especially rap videos.

00:34:48.000 And I got good.

00:34:49.000 I got very good.

00:34:50.000 I did a lot of high-profile videos.

00:34:52.000 I made a lot of money.

00:34:53.000 Who'd you do them for?

00:34:54.000 I did music videos for like rappers, like Chief Keef.

00:34:58.000 You did it?

00:34:59.000 Yeah.

00:34:59.000 Yes.

00:35:00.000 You did his videos?

00:35:01.000 I did it.

00:35:01.000 That seemed like you'd have to wear a bulletproof vest to be around that dude.

00:35:03.000 It was a video called Traffic.

00:35:05.000 You gotta check that out.

00:35:06.000 Oh, okay.

00:35:07.000 I think I've seen that.

00:35:08.000 That's you?

00:35:09.000 They were wild on the streets.

00:35:10.000 Oh, I would imagine.

00:35:11.000 Wild.

00:35:12.000 They're legitimately wild.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, that was real gangster shit going on with the Chicago rappers and stuff like that.

00:35:18.000 Well, that dude is like the king of that shit, right?

00:35:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:21.000 He's only like 20, right?

00:35:23.000 I think now he's like 20. Nah, he probably like 23, 24 now.

00:35:27.000 Yeah, they was kids, man.

00:35:28.000 But I was shooting a lot of music videos in Minneapolis and I got popular because that's a huge music scene.

00:35:34.000 It's a very indie, you know, Prince made it popular, but I think the hip hop scene is very enriched there.

00:35:40.000 They just don't, they haven't had anybody like explode out of there.

00:35:44.000 So I made a living just in Minneapolis, like shoot music videos.

00:35:48.000 But after a while, I remember I was dating this girl and this one lasted a bit.

00:35:52.000 And I remember I used to brag to her, like, look at this music video, this music video.

00:35:56.000 And she was like, you want to just be known for doing music videos?

00:35:59.000 You want to be a guy to just do music videos?

00:36:01.000 You need to do other stuff.

00:36:03.000 And that's what woke me up.

00:36:04.000 I was like, let me see if I can tap into my creative side and do other things.

00:36:07.000 So I did a film called The Confessions of Skid Row.

00:36:11.000 I literally went to Skid Row and filmed Homeless People.

00:36:14.000 Oh, wow.

00:36:15.000 Is that available?

00:36:17.000 Yeah, it's somewhere online.

00:36:19.000 Skid Row freaks me out.

00:36:20.000 Yeah, it was called The Confessions of Skid Row.

00:36:22.000 I was like, I'm going to make this series called The Confessions.

00:36:25.000 And then I did The Confessions of Gay Pride.

00:36:27.000 And I literally interviewed this guy in San Diego about how When Obama passed Don't Ask, Don't Tell, I interviewed this guy, and he told me how he came out to his parents.

00:36:41.000 I know my boys just look at me like, what the hell are you doing?

00:36:44.000 These type of films.

00:36:45.000 But I was fascinated by documentaries, so I was like, let me just do this type of documentary content.

00:36:50.000 Doing the one on Skid Row, did that have an extra impact on you?

00:36:53.000 Because you were basically homeless.

00:36:54.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:36:55.000 I told the guy, I was like, I was literally homeless, so I know what you feel like.

00:37:00.000 And I don't think people understand that.

00:37:02.000 If I look at my life now, I live in downtown LA, view of the Staples Center, things like that.

00:37:07.000 They don't understand.

00:37:08.000 Years ago, I couldn't afford to live in a $400 a month apartment.

00:37:12.000 You see what I'm saying?

00:37:13.000 Because you didn't have any guaranteed income.

00:37:15.000 And that's how it was even in the beginning of my film career.

00:37:18.000 I lived out at, you know them shitty hotels?

00:37:20.000 Well, they're not shitty to everybody, but extended stays.

00:37:23.000 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 I lived in Extended States for like two years.

00:37:28.000 Literally, like, say I was getting $400 for a music video from a rapper or something like that.

00:37:34.000 I would use $200 of that for six days in Extended States because, you know, that was like $30 a night.

00:37:39.000 It'd be nights where I'm like, damn, I got one day left.

00:37:42.000 I got to convince somebody to give me like $200 and shoot a music video.

00:37:45.000 So I was hustling.

00:37:46.000 Like reaching out to people on Facebook.

00:37:47.000 Hey man, you trying to shoot a music video?

00:37:49.000 They not knowing I need this money to just live somewhere.

00:37:54.000 Wow.

00:37:54.000 So once I was able to sustain enough income, because it's just too long of a story, but I was able to really get myself to a point where I was making some money.

00:38:03.000 I moved to Florida when my best friend Tone from Macedonia, 6'9", Macedonian mercenary.

00:38:10.000 That's what he wanted to be.

00:38:12.000 He a crazy guy.

00:38:13.000 He wants to go around the world and kill drug dealers.

00:38:18.000 That's literally, he's from Macedonia, man.

00:38:19.000 They're crazy, man.

00:38:20.000 They're crazy.

00:38:21.000 So, Brother Tone, I moved in with him in Boca Raton.

00:38:25.000 And that's literally how it started.

00:38:26.000 That's how all of this Anatomy Male Fighters stuff started.

00:38:28.000 I moved to Florida, lived with him.

00:38:30.000 I had a roommate.

00:38:30.000 So, it was cheaper to live.

00:38:32.000 I went to Italy that year and shot a documentary.

00:38:34.000 So, I got some money from my guy, Bobby Jones.

00:38:37.000 And I was able to have a life.

00:38:39.000 I felt comfortable.

00:38:40.000 I wasn't like, felt like a monkey was on my back at that point.

00:38:45.000 So you're getting momentum.

00:38:46.000 I got momentum.

00:38:47.000 I had a lot of momentum at that point.

00:38:49.000 About 2014, I was making money.

00:38:51.000 So when you were doing these documentaries, like Confessions of Skid Row and Confessions of Gay Pride, what are you doing with them and how are you getting paid from them?

00:38:59.000 Just releasing them online for free.

00:39:00.000 Really?

00:39:01.000 I didn't get paid for anything.

00:39:02.000 I paid the homeless guy to let me talk to him.

00:39:07.000 Did you put him on YouTube?

00:39:07.000 They gotta be on Vimeo.

00:39:09.000 Why don't you put them on YouTube and get the ad revenue for them?

00:39:12.000 Yeah, that was back in the day, though.

00:39:13.000 But are they out there right now?

00:39:14.000 Yeah.

00:39:15.000 No, I have a great one.

00:39:17.000 You know Alan Watts?

00:39:19.000 Yes.

00:39:19.000 So it's called The Beauty of Nothingness by Alan Watts.

00:39:22.000 If you put The Beauty of Nothingness by Alan Watts and Will Harris, you'll see one of the most beautiful homeless films you've ever seen.

00:39:28.000 That was like three years ago.

00:39:29.000 I went to New York.

00:39:30.000 I was here in L.A. I was in Florida.

00:39:31.000 I was just sitting on the streets with homeless people talking to him.

00:39:34.000 For two days.

00:39:35.000 And is it Alan Watts' narration?

00:39:37.000 Yep.

00:39:38.000 That's amazing.

00:39:39.000 It's the beauty of nothingness.

00:39:40.000 It like won an award in New York.

00:39:41.000 Well, when I first saw, I don't remember what video I saw of yours that was first, but I was like, this guy's got an eye for shit.

00:39:47.000 It's not the stand.

00:39:49.000 You know, sometimes you can see videos and you're just watching a video.

00:39:53.000 Like, okay, this is cool.

00:39:54.000 I'm seeing how these guys are training.

00:39:56.000 I'm seeing their lifestyles.

00:39:57.000 I'm seeing their family.

00:39:59.000 But then you see one and you go, oh, whoever the fuck is filming this, they know what they're doing.

00:40:04.000 Yeah.

00:40:05.000 That's what I got from you.

00:40:06.000 Well, it's because look at all the shit I've been through.

00:40:08.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 It's also your focus.

00:40:11.000 You have a vision.

00:40:14.000 It's very clear that you're an artist.

00:40:16.000 When you're doing these videos, it's not simply you're filming things.

00:40:20.000 You're thinking about the angles, how to edit it, how to have people talking.

00:40:28.000 You hear their voice while their mouth's not moving because they're talking from another...

00:40:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:40:33.000 Yeah, the narration.

00:40:34.000 Yeah, when you see things where someone puts it together, it makes it richer.

00:40:39.000 It makes it more interesting.

00:40:41.000 Did you ever hear of a documentary called Hoop Dreams?

00:40:43.000 Yes.

00:40:44.000 That was my high school life.

00:40:46.000 They were older than me, but when I was in high school, that film came out.

00:40:50.000 That fascinated me.

00:40:52.000 The documentary itself.

00:40:53.000 Documenting somebody for five years, following their life.

00:40:55.000 I was obsessed.

00:40:57.000 My favorite documentary of all time is Pumpin' Iron.

00:41:00.000 Oh, of course.

00:41:01.000 So when I saw that in college, I was like, I want to shoot documentaries.

00:41:03.000 So I was always obsessed with documentaries.

00:41:06.000 Like, I don't know if you remember Banging in Little Rock?

00:41:09.000 Yes.

00:41:10.000 That was on HBO, right?

00:41:12.000 Yeah, Banging in Little Rock.

00:41:13.000 That's what I like.

00:41:14.000 I don't like movies.

00:41:15.000 I like documentaries.

00:41:16.000 Me too, man.

00:41:16.000 So for me, I've always was obsessed with docs.

00:41:20.000 I'm like, if I can ever shoot a doc, I know where that passion comes from.

00:41:24.000 So when I literally moved to Florida, I literally just reached out to Shannon Briggs one day.

00:41:30.000 I was doing weddings and music videos, so I was making money.

00:41:34.000 Especially with weddings.

00:41:35.000 I was making a lot of money with weddings.

00:41:38.000 People get married every weekend.

00:41:40.000 If you get good enough, you can get $3,000- $4,000 a wedding video.

00:41:44.000 I'm booking two a week.

00:41:46.000 I started to get to a point where Let's go champ!

00:41:49.000 Yeah, that's the one.

00:41:49.000 I love him.

00:41:51.000 That's the one.

00:41:51.000 So that was three years ago.

00:41:53.000 Did you ever see the podcast I did with him?

00:41:54.000 Yeah, of course.

00:41:55.000 It was called Portrait of a Boxing Gym.

00:41:57.000 Ah, nice.

00:42:00.000 He's a fucking character.

00:42:01.000 Who was the guy Deontay Wilder knocked out?

00:42:03.000 Bermaine Sturvain?

00:42:05.000 Yes.

00:42:06.000 Stiverne?

00:42:07.000 Stiverne?

00:42:07.000 Yeah, I remember he was in there that day.

00:42:10.000 So I used to do stuff like this before I ever decided to do Anatomy of a Fighter.

00:42:14.000 When you say who Deontay Wilder knocked out, you've got to say everybody fought.

00:42:17.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:42:19.000 40 knockouts, 41 opponents.

00:42:21.000 He's the craziest fucking record in the history of boxing.

00:42:22.000 He knocked out Tyson Fury, too.

00:42:24.000 Well, basically.

00:42:25.000 10 seconds.

00:42:26.000 Yeah.

00:42:27.000 That's my dream.

00:42:28.000 Listen, if you ask me who my dream guest is on Anatomy of a Fighter.

00:42:32.000 Deontay?

00:42:33.000 One, I would love to do a behind-the-scenes fight companion with you guys.

00:42:37.000 Just be in here with the camera, filming y'all motherfuckers talking.

00:42:40.000 But that's what the fight companion is.

00:42:42.000 No, no, no.

00:42:43.000 But out in the hallways.

00:42:45.000 No, no, no.

00:42:45.000 Because Eddie Bravo will bring up some crazy conspiracies.

00:42:48.000 Well, hopefully I'll be rolling our eyes to try to get away from it.

00:42:51.000 Hopefully I get Eddie Bravo on the day with Cheeto Vare.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, you'll get him on.

00:42:55.000 Well, Cheeto's fight is canceled, right?

00:42:57.000 I know.

00:42:57.000 Are they trying to give him a replacement opponent?

00:43:00.000 Shout out to Cheeto Vera.

00:43:02.000 He loves your show, by the way.

00:43:03.000 I love him.

00:43:04.000 He's a tough motherfucker.

00:43:06.000 He is.

00:43:07.000 I love Sean O'Malley, too.

00:43:08.000 It was unfortunate.

00:43:09.000 I love Sugar Sean.

00:43:10.000 I love both of them.

00:43:11.000 I love how he's taking it, too.

00:43:12.000 Yeah.

00:43:12.000 Like, he's taking it because, you know, I've seen a lot of people online talking about, you know, are they going to move the car to Interheim now?

00:43:19.000 It's like, no.

00:43:20.000 They ain't doing that for Shake and Shine.

00:43:21.000 No, no, no.

00:43:22.000 He got a tainted supplement.

00:43:23.000 Yeah.

00:43:24.000 These new studies or these new tests that they have, they are so fucking extensive.

00:43:31.000 They catch shit that you did years ago.

00:43:34.000 That's crazy.

00:43:34.000 And if you took a tainted supplement with something that has zero performance benefit years ago, it can still show up in your system.

00:43:42.000 Yeah.

00:43:42.000 Whereas they used to have, like, oh, it'll be out of your system in six weeks.

00:43:45.000 Like, especially talk to, like, a gym professor.

00:43:47.000 Like, there's a lot, look, there's a lot of cheating in professional sports.

00:43:50.000 Is it?

00:43:50.000 There's a lot of cheating, for sure.

00:43:54.000 A lot of cheating in MMA. A lot.

00:43:56.000 But less than there used to be because of USADA and Nowitzki and what the UFC has implemented.

00:44:02.000 100% there's a lot less.

00:44:03.000 But...

00:44:04.000 Supplements are a dirty business.

00:44:05.000 I know this firsthand from Onnit, from being one of the owners of Onnit.

00:44:09.000 And not even supplements tainted with things that are illegal.

00:44:12.000 When we first started making AlphaBrain, we had it independently tested.

00:44:16.000 We got all our shit third-party tested.

00:44:18.000 And we were like, what the fuck is this doing in there?

00:44:20.000 We had stuff in there that's not supposed to be in there.

00:44:22.000 Well, it turns out when you get stuff made, like say if you have a...

00:44:26.000 You put together some sort of a pre-workout drink, and you want to have vitamin B12 and all these different things in it.

00:44:32.000 You get those mixed by a third-party lab.

00:44:36.000 This lab mixes it all for you.

00:44:38.000 But you don't know what the fuck they're doing.

00:44:40.000 They're not cleaning out their vats.

00:44:42.000 They're not cleaning out their shit.

00:44:43.000 So they might have been doing steroids right before they do your shit, and you're having to mix you up some creatine, and your creatine has Osterine in it.

00:44:52.000 Yeah, what is that?

00:44:53.000 Some kind of steroid.

00:44:55.000 I don't know what it is.

00:44:56.000 It's some kind of steroid.

00:44:57.000 I was talking to the bodybuilder, Mike Rashid, about supplements because, you know, obviously he's a bodybuilder.

00:45:02.000 Yeah.

00:45:02.000 He has a company.

00:45:03.000 I think he works with Trifecta, too, or something like that.

00:45:07.000 And I was just like, how does that happen, like these tainted supplements?

00:45:11.000 And I interviewed him about it.

00:45:12.000 I'm going to release it one day, how he goes into it.

00:45:15.000 But, you know, with bodybuilders, they catch flack because they're bodybuilders.

00:45:18.000 You gotta be on something.

00:45:19.000 But these guys know their shit.

00:45:20.000 He has a legitimate business, so...

00:45:22.000 I'm sure he does, but most of them are on something.

00:45:24.000 Like, if you want to get to the size of, like, a Lee Haney, you don't get that big without steroids.

00:45:30.000 It's not a human size.

00:45:31.000 You know, when you get to, like...

00:45:34.000 You know, just go back and look at, like, Franco Columbo.

00:45:38.000 Oh, man, my favorite.

00:45:39.000 Oh, my God.

00:45:40.000 But then you look at, like, Frank Zane.

00:45:42.000 Frank Zane, you can get that body without steroids.

00:45:45.000 That's possible.

00:45:46.000 What about...

00:45:47.000 What about Francis?

00:45:49.000 Francis Ngannou?

00:45:50.000 If he started to be a bodybuilder...

00:45:52.000 Oh my god, he'd be gigantic.

00:45:53.000 There's freaks.

00:45:55.000 Kamal Uzman is a freak.

00:45:57.000 Tyron Woodley's a freak.

00:45:59.000 Brock Lesnar's a freak.

00:46:00.000 There's freaks.

00:46:01.000 Look, there's girls with giant tits.

00:46:03.000 They're born with triple F tits.

00:46:04.000 This is how it works.

00:46:06.000 Some guys have 20-inch dicks.

00:46:07.000 This is just how the world works.

00:46:08.000 Some people have big noses.

00:46:10.000 The world's weird.

00:46:11.000 I wouldn't want to have a 20-inch dick, though.

00:46:12.000 No, it's too big.

00:46:13.000 Imagine saying that.

00:46:15.000 I know.

00:46:15.000 It's too big.

00:46:15.000 Like, you brag about it.

00:46:17.000 But you can't complain, though.

00:46:17.000 You can't complain.

00:46:18.000 Eight or nine is good, though, right?

00:46:19.000 But you know how many dudes are crying out there with a three-inch dick?

00:46:21.000 They'll be like, oh, 17 more inches.

00:46:24.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:46:24.000 You're better off having a 20-inch dick than a 3-inch dick.

00:46:27.000 Because you just find a girl who's had like eight kids and just wreck her.

00:46:30.000 It'd be weird.

00:46:32.000 Listen, you want to know another funny online story in my life?

00:46:36.000 These was all in the past.

00:46:38.000 But I remember dating this older lady and she was like, I'm a freak, I'm a freak, I'm a freak.

00:46:43.000 And I was like, how much of a freak she is.

00:46:46.000 Yeah.

00:46:46.000 Like she went in her drawer and pulled out like a dildo that was like 20 inches.

00:46:50.000 I was just like, like a horse cock.

00:46:52.000 And I was just like, what the fuck am I gonna do with this?

00:46:56.000 I did everything in my powder.

00:47:00.000 She didn't feel shit.

00:47:03.000 I got mons, though, Joe.

00:47:04.000 I believe you.

00:47:05.000 I believe you.

00:47:06.000 Hey, there's some weirdos out there, man.

00:47:07.000 We all weird in a way.

00:47:09.000 Yes, everyone's weird.

00:47:10.000 Everyone's weird.

00:47:11.000 Listen, vegans are weird.

00:47:12.000 Yep.

00:47:12.000 People that say they don't drink are weird.

00:47:14.000 Yeah.

00:47:15.000 People that only eat...

00:47:18.000 Nuts and berries are weird.

00:47:19.000 We all weird in a way.

00:47:20.000 Atheists are weird.

00:47:21.000 Christians are weird.

00:47:21.000 You can't judge nobody.

00:47:23.000 I'll be like, oh, I never smoked a weed in my life.

00:47:25.000 But then I'll be online dating.

00:47:27.000 That's some weird old shit.

00:47:28.000 You've never smoked weed ever?

00:47:29.000 Never.

00:47:30.000 Not one time.

00:47:31.000 How come?

00:47:31.000 Drink a little bit.

00:47:33.000 Maybe five times a year.

00:47:34.000 How come you never smoked weed?

00:47:38.000 I had an addictive family.

00:47:40.000 I seen it and it was embarrassing and struggling.

00:47:44.000 My mom was 14 years old when she gave birth to me.

00:47:47.000 My mom was born the same month I am.

00:47:49.000 She was born May 3rd.

00:47:50.000 I was born May 19th.

00:47:52.000 She could have had me at 13. My dad was the same age.

00:47:56.000 I didn't grow up with any parents.

00:47:58.000 Your parents hate hearing that, but I don't know my dad at all.

00:48:04.000 I don't know mine either.

00:48:06.000 I may have talked to him twice.

00:48:08.000 You know the last conversation I ever had with my dad?

00:48:11.000 He had got out of prison and I was living with his mom, my grandmother, the one that raised me.

00:48:16.000 And he like overtook the room that I was living in because it's his room again.

00:48:21.000 Like a grown ass man telling his son.

00:48:23.000 And I found his porn tapes.

00:48:27.000 Me and my best friend, I knew.

00:48:29.000 I was like, yo, you want to watch some porn?

00:48:31.000 So I went up in the closet, took out the tape, put it in.

00:48:34.000 And then I heard him coming in the house, so we ran and put the tape back.

00:48:37.000 And this is how precise he was with his porn, probably.

00:48:40.000 He noticed some clothes moves, so we left the house.

00:48:43.000 He came out the house.

00:48:44.000 Hey, stay out of my room.

00:48:46.000 I said, man, shut up.

00:48:47.000 You're a grown man watching porn.

00:48:48.000 It was my dad.

00:48:49.000 That's like the last conversation I ever had with him.

00:48:51.000 Wow.

00:48:52.000 He's been in prison in and out of his life.

00:48:54.000 That's the thing.

00:48:54.000 It's like, Listen, man.

00:48:56.000 Everybody can make a picture out to be poor me.

00:49:00.000 That's not me.

00:49:02.000 Me telling you all this stuff ain't poor me.

00:49:04.000 It's just real.

00:49:05.000 It's just life.

00:49:06.000 Right.

00:49:06.000 Where I'm at now is beautiful.

00:49:08.000 I was filming videos to survive, and then I finally found something that stuck.

00:49:13.000 I never in my fucking life thought it was going to be MMA. Never.

00:49:17.000 That's crazy.

00:49:18.000 Never.

00:49:18.000 So you saw people with addiction problems and you just didn't want to have anything to do with anything?

00:49:23.000 Nah, I just thought it was...

00:49:25.000 Luckily for me, man, I found sports in the fifth grade and I just was...

00:49:30.000 I have an addictive personality, whether it's masturbation or anything, right?

00:49:34.000 I have a very similar situation.

00:49:36.000 You know what's crazy?

00:49:39.000 What's fascinating about this podcast is that if you go to your channel on YouTube and you click Otis videos, that's why I'm not in a rush for anything because everything takes time.

00:49:48.000 I looked at one of your podcasts with Eddie Bravo, like three hours long, you got like 11,000 views.

00:49:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:53.000 Yeah, like 20,000 views.

00:49:55.000 People always want to say, like, hey, how do I get paid for podcasts?

00:49:57.000 I'm like, do them for six years.

00:49:59.000 Yeah.

00:49:59.000 I didn't get paid at all for a year.

00:50:01.000 I mean, this podcast is almost 10 years old, and I didn't really start getting paid like five years ago.

00:50:07.000 And it's fascinating to see that.

00:50:08.000 Like, you go look at your oldest videos, 20,000, 30,000 views.

00:50:12.000 Yeah.

00:50:13.000 And that's the thing, like, MMA fans are fickle, right?

00:50:16.000 They like who they like, they don't like, they like.

00:50:18.000 It's only about three or four fighters that can get a lot of views on YouTube.

00:50:22.000 It's that way with everything.

00:50:23.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:50:24.000 Comedy, it's that way with...

00:50:25.000 Yeah, and people are fascinated.

00:50:27.000 Like, I'm lucky enough to know Khabib, right?

00:50:30.000 Or somebody like that.

00:50:32.000 Like, I didn't know who this guy was until Rashad Evans was like, yo, let me introduce you to my guy, Ali.

00:50:38.000 And then I met Ali filming some Henzo Gracie stuff for him.

00:50:42.000 And he was like, yo, I like you, man.

00:50:45.000 Let me put you together with my fighter.

00:50:47.000 You know who Khabib is?

00:50:48.000 I was like, is that the guy that fought Michael Johnson?

00:50:50.000 I didn't know who Khabib was.

00:50:51.000 He was like, I think y'all would be a good fit because the way you do stories and stuff like that, I think he'll like you and you'll like him.

00:50:58.000 And I literally met him of January of last year.

00:51:02.000 2018 in Boston when Francis was fighting Stipe and Volkan was fighting DC and that was the first time I ever met Khabib and the rest is history.

00:51:11.000 I filmed him up there.

00:51:12.000 He was finna fight Tony.

00:51:14.000 Then I filmed him doing the whole Conor fiasco a la Quinta.

00:51:18.000 Then I went to Dagestan.

00:51:19.000 I went to Dagestan.

00:51:21.000 What's that like?

00:51:22.000 Intense.

00:51:23.000 But it was beautiful because people tried to scare me when I was supposed to go to Dagestan.

00:51:29.000 Who?

00:51:29.000 Like, I got people in the UFC that was like, yo, be careful over there.

00:51:33.000 People that work for the UFC? Yeah, just saying, like, be careful.

00:51:36.000 And I'm thinking to myself, like, in my DMs on Instagram, like, bro, just be careful.

00:51:41.000 They don't fucking play over there.

00:51:42.000 I went doing Ramadan last June, at the end of Ramadan.

00:51:47.000 Did you have to observe while you were there?

00:51:49.000 So, uh, Khabib wanted me to come during like the last tail end of Ramadan, right?

00:51:55.000 So I went over there, um, by myself, went and got my visa in Miami and went over there, just got my ticket and, um, I went over there.

00:52:06.000 I remember the first day I got there, I was in customs for like two hours because they couldn't speak English at this little airport in Dagestan.

00:52:13.000 And Khabib was outside and he wouldn't come in the airport because he's too famous, right?

00:52:18.000 And this is in the middle of the night.

00:52:20.000 And I remember when I first got there, it was just checkpoints everywhere when I got there.

00:52:25.000 We like drive down the street, person with some guns.

00:52:28.000 I'm like, all right, cool.

00:52:29.000 I don't know where we at, but this is Dagestan.

00:52:32.000 And I ended up getting to this, I stayed at his uncle house, I think.

00:52:37.000 And from there, it was just a beautiful moment.

00:52:39.000 The Dagestan Chronicles is my most popular thing on my channel, obviously, because it's showing Khabib in a way no one's ever seen him.

00:52:45.000 I observed Ramadan the whole time I was there.

00:52:47.000 I didn't eat.

00:52:47.000 I didn't drink.

00:52:48.000 I did exactly what Kabinim did because I think a problem with us a lot as Americans is we take our culture somewhere else.

00:52:55.000 And I wanted to observe their culture and really see what it was like.

00:52:58.000 And I was fascinated.

00:52:59.000 I wanted to know why women covered themselves.

00:53:01.000 And I asked all of those questions.

00:53:03.000 All of that stuff is in the documentary.

00:53:04.000 And now I get all these millions of people watching these videos.

00:53:08.000 The most common thing is, like, where's the women at?

00:53:10.000 And I'm like, why are these people so obsessed with where the women at?

00:53:13.000 And I literally went into that.

00:53:15.000 Like, I asked, like, when these women are married, you don't point a camera at these people.

00:53:20.000 Like, I've seen women.

00:53:21.000 You just don't point a camera at them.

00:53:23.000 It's rude, right?

00:53:24.000 And that's like...

00:53:25.000 In their culture.

00:53:26.000 In their culture.

00:53:26.000 Did they explain this to you?

00:53:28.000 Yeah, they did.

00:53:29.000 What did they say?

00:53:30.000 They literally just said, they look at their...

00:53:32.000 Like, I talked to a couple people over there, and they were just like, we look at our women as queens.

00:53:37.000 Yeah.

00:53:38.000 And we cover them.

00:53:39.000 Because in the Quran, the man is weak to the flesh.

00:53:43.000 So they don't want their woman to be...

00:53:48.000 You know, looked at by other men.

00:53:51.000 Yeah, that's the word I was looking for.

00:53:52.000 So you just cover themselves up.

00:53:56.000 And in our culture, that's, you know, that may be weird, but I respect it.

00:54:00.000 Like what they told me, it made sense.

00:54:02.000 It literally made sense where it was just like, listen, we don't let another man look at our wife, right?

00:54:07.000 I'm not going to bash on that culture because I feel like that's silly.

00:54:11.000 A woman can do whatever they want to do.

00:54:12.000 That's just how they feel.

00:54:13.000 Like I don't But I've seen women.

00:54:16.000 I've seen some beautiful women too when I was in Dagestan.

00:54:19.000 It wasn't the fact that I didn't film any women.

00:54:22.000 I've seen women.

00:54:22.000 But they explained to you when you go here you cannot film the women.

00:54:27.000 No, no, no.

00:54:27.000 It was just, yeah, in a way.

00:54:30.000 Just don't film another man's woman.

00:54:32.000 I think I talked to Chris Wyman once when I was at his gym when I was doing Ala Quinta.

00:54:38.000 He went to Chechnya.

00:54:40.000 Yeah.

00:54:40.000 And he told me a story.

00:54:42.000 I think him and Vordun went to Chechnya and he was telling me a story of like he accidentally touched a woman's hand and they like literally got on like you don't touch another woman.

00:54:53.000 You don't touch a woman's hand over here because that's bad on her.

00:54:57.000 Right?

00:54:58.000 And I was like, damn, that's crazy.

00:54:59.000 You can't even...

00:55:00.000 Because he said he was just like reaching out, shaking people's hands.

00:55:03.000 You know, human instinct, you reach and grab somebody's hand.

00:55:06.000 And he just said, man, that's a different culture over there.

00:55:10.000 A woman can't touch another man's hand.

00:55:12.000 Yeah, that guy from Chechnya, the leader of Chechnya, he's like really into MMA, right?

00:55:18.000 He flies as much people out.

00:55:19.000 Yeah.

00:55:19.000 You know what's crazy is that I don't know anything about the guy or his politics or anything, but I know that...

00:55:27.000 He obsessed with fighting, right?

00:55:29.000 I know Talon Spong been over there and Wyman and all these guys.

00:55:33.000 I just met Nick DeToof the other day.

00:55:35.000 And they went over there to Chechnya, him and the Mendez brothers.

00:55:41.000 Did they teach jiu-jitsu?

00:55:42.000 Yeah, I think the Mendez brothers had like a seminar.

00:55:46.000 I did like a preview of Chito Vera and he was talking about it in there.

00:55:50.000 Like they did a jiu-jitsu match in front of some oligarch over there.

00:55:54.000 Like it's crazy, right?

00:55:55.000 Like they flew him over there for that.

00:55:57.000 Yeah.

00:55:58.000 Well, he's got a lot of money.

00:55:59.000 Yeah?

00:56:00.000 Hey, I'm not even fighting these sponsors.

00:56:02.000 Didn't he give Khabib like some crazy Mercedes when he won?

00:56:06.000 I think I saw that on Instagram.

00:56:08.000 He got like a gift.

00:56:09.000 I think he gave him some crazy S-Class.

00:56:10.000 Khabib getting that Dubai money now, though.

00:56:12.000 He's always in Dubai.

00:56:14.000 Is he?

00:56:14.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 I mean, since his fight, he's been in Dubai how many times?

00:56:17.000 What's he doing over there?

00:56:18.000 Speaking, things like that.

00:56:19.000 I mean, when you're one of the most famous, I think he's like top 15 in the most famous athletes now.

00:56:24.000 Well, for sure.

00:56:25.000 And definitely the most famous Muslim athlete.

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:29.000 And the only UFC champion that's undefeated other than Jon Jones, who should be undefeated if not for that one fucked up disqualification.

00:56:37.000 Absolutely.

00:56:37.000 After spending time with Khabib in Dagestan, like meeting his father, going into the mountains and things like that, I just don't see nobody beating him.

00:56:43.000 I'm sorry what you throw at him.

00:56:44.000 In what way?

00:56:45.000 I just feel like just his pedigree of where he's from, it's nothing that's going to break that guy.

00:56:52.000 What are you going to do?

00:56:54.000 I just don't think it's nothing you can do.

00:56:55.000 After going to Dagestan and seeing how those people live and how their code and their values of how they live.

00:57:02.000 What was so convincing?

00:57:04.000 Well, just how strict the faith is over there, right?

00:57:10.000 And they tie in everything they do to their faith.

00:57:13.000 It's sort of like how Ali was.

00:57:15.000 Like, I'm not going to lose because of Allah and things like that.

00:57:17.000 And I truly believe, after seeing, like, just the camaraderie over there, the gyms they train in, the mountains, everything that makes this guy, it's nothing in an octagon that someone is going to do.

00:57:29.000 Like, that's going to beat Khabib.

00:57:31.000 Like, everything can happen.

00:57:32.000 A fluke can happen.

00:57:33.000 We see it all the time.

00:57:34.000 But I just feel like mentally, there's nothing that's going to break Khabib.

00:57:38.000 Like, I feel like if he was ever in a situation where he had to tap, he wouldn't.

00:57:44.000 He would just have to put him to sleep because I just don't think that's possible to beat him.

00:57:49.000 I honestly feel like Khabib can't lose.

00:57:52.000 I just don't see nobody beating him.

00:57:54.000 I've been in locker rooms of fighters and you got a butterfly feeling and things like that.

00:57:59.000 When he fought Conor and I was in a locker room, Khabib was FaceTiming his people in Dagestan laughing and Javier Mendes is like, let's get focused.

00:58:08.000 Let's get focused.

00:58:09.000 Let's get focused.

00:58:10.000 Khabib is not caring.

00:58:12.000 Wow.

00:58:12.000 Khabib just ready to go, right?

00:58:14.000 When Tony Ferguson was fighting Pettis, he like hitting mitts with Javier and Khabib just looking up to the screen.

00:58:21.000 Javier was like, let's get focused.

00:58:23.000 Let's get focused.

00:58:24.000 Khabib don't care, man.

00:58:25.000 It's a different level.

00:58:26.000 He always said that's like his favorite thing.

00:58:28.000 This is a different level.

00:58:29.000 That's what I love about him, man.

00:58:31.000 It's like, people are obsessed with the fighter.

00:58:34.000 I like Khabib as a person.

00:58:36.000 And that's the thing that I get out of this anatomy of a fighter.

00:58:38.000 It's like, just hanging out with this guy.

00:58:41.000 But like, if you ever watch my series, I never really talk about a guy's fight coming up.

00:58:46.000 Like, if you ever watch Anatomy Fighter, it's not about your opponent.

00:58:49.000 It's just about your life.

00:58:51.000 Because I felt like, when I created it, I felt like, These organizations weren't promoting fighters all the way.

00:58:58.000 Yeah, they're going to promote the top fighters and things like that, but what about the guys that are 2-1 in the UFC, not ranked?

00:59:06.000 They in the UFC, they may get cut after a couple fights.

00:59:10.000 What do they have left after that?

00:59:11.000 And I was just like...

00:59:13.000 Let me create this series instead of a documentary and just continue to build this and follow these guys' lives.

00:59:19.000 And that's all I really wanted to do.

00:59:20.000 It was no hidden incentive where I was like, I'm going to make millions of dollars off this.

00:59:24.000 I'm going to end up on a Joe Rogan podcast.

00:59:26.000 It was like, I love following these fighters and telling their stories because it's sort of like similar to my journey.

00:59:32.000 You know, these guys are...

00:59:35.000 What was the guy that just fought?

00:59:37.000 Deron Wynn in Greenville.

00:59:39.000 Eric Spicy or Spicely or whatever his name was.

00:59:42.000 He tweeted like, oh, I had, he just got, they got fighting tonight.

00:59:45.000 Right.

00:59:45.000 He was like, I had minus 270 in my bank account.

00:59:48.000 Yeah.

00:59:50.000 I've been there, Joe.

00:59:51.000 So that's why I get the passion out of doing it, because I've been there with these fighters.

00:59:57.000 At this point in my life, I've paid for fighters' flights and hotels because they couldn't get a hotel.

01:00:01.000 Like, these fighters know that.

01:00:02.000 Some of these fighters know that, to where I'm able to help them.

01:00:05.000 And I'm funding this all on my own, breaking myself.

01:00:09.000 So to me, I'm just thinking on myself, like...

01:00:12.000 You're doing this for a specific reason.

01:00:14.000 You're passionate about it and you want to tell these guys lives.

01:00:16.000 And I just really wanted to offer another glimpse into fighters' lives other than Fight Week.

01:00:21.000 And are you getting paid from the YouTube revenue?

01:00:24.000 Yeah.

01:00:25.000 My account is monetized and verified.

01:00:31.000 And depending on a month, it can be a good month or it can be a bad month.

01:00:37.000 It's surprising to me I haven't got a sponsor yet.

01:00:39.000 Like, as popular as the channel is.

01:00:41.000 But...

01:00:42.000 It is what it is.

01:00:43.000 You can get one now.

01:00:44.000 Probably.

01:00:44.000 Who knows?

01:00:45.000 I mean, shout out to people like 8 Man Strong.

01:00:48.000 And that's Ryan Bader's company.

01:00:50.000 Yeah, that's Ryan Bader.

01:00:51.000 Shout out to Adam, the owner of it, and his brother.

01:00:54.000 They was the first people to ever send me stuff.

01:00:56.000 Like t-shirts.

01:00:57.000 I was just happy.

01:00:58.000 I was like, damn, I got some free gear, right?

01:01:01.000 Like, man, finally, I remember seeing their shirts back when I first started with Kamal Uzman was wearing their stuff.

01:01:06.000 And, you know, companies like that, you get money here and there from them.

01:01:10.000 But, like, to sustain this, like, remember Fightland?

01:01:13.000 Remember the show Fightland?

01:01:14.000 I heard they went out of business because of funding.

01:01:17.000 Wasn't it Vice?

01:01:18.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:01:19.000 Wasn't it Vice Company?

01:01:20.000 I doubt they went out of business because of funding.

01:01:22.000 Vice probably just decided to stop doing it.

01:01:24.000 Listen, Joe...

01:01:25.000 Was, right?

01:01:25.000 You travel...

01:01:26.000 But Vice is a billion dollar company.

01:01:28.000 That's true.

01:01:28.000 What were they?

01:01:29.000 I believe Fightland is a Vice show.

01:01:32.000 Wasn't it?

01:01:33.000 Well, let's find out.

01:01:34.000 Yeah, find out.

01:01:35.000 I'm pretty sure Fightland was Vice.

01:01:38.000 If you flew to Phoenix for three days to do comedy and get a hotel, you know how expensive a flight is.

01:01:49.000 So imagine me finding this on my own if I want to go somewhere for three days.

01:01:52.000 Well, especially Dagestan.

01:01:54.000 Yeah, shit like that.

01:01:55.000 And where are you staying when you're in Dagestan?

01:01:57.000 I was staying at Khabib's family house.

01:01:59.000 Oh, wow.

01:01:59.000 Yeah.

01:02:00.000 So I stayed.

01:02:01.000 They put me like above a store.

01:02:04.000 And he told me, he gave me a key.

01:02:06.000 He was like, brother, lock this door at night, brother.

01:02:09.000 Jesus Christ.

01:02:11.000 He was like, don't go outside.

01:02:12.000 Oh my God.

01:02:13.000 I still went outside.

01:02:14.000 Did you?

01:02:15.000 Yeah, I still went outside.

01:02:16.000 Where'd you go?

01:02:16.000 I just was roaming, like walking around, just filming stuff.

01:02:19.000 What's it like out in Dagestan when you're roaming the streets?

01:02:22.000 Well, they never really seen black people over there.

01:02:23.000 So I was like a little celebrity over there.

01:02:25.000 And you're a big one.

01:02:26.000 And they know I'm with Khabib, so I was cool with that.

01:02:29.000 Oh, so they knew that?

01:02:30.000 Yeah.

01:02:30.000 So they were all friendly with you?

01:02:32.000 Yeah, they was chilling.

01:02:33.000 Did they speak English?

01:02:34.000 A couple people did.

01:02:36.000 A couple people did.

01:02:37.000 Did they ask you questions?

01:02:38.000 Yeah, they asked me questions.

01:02:40.000 Obviously, I had already been with Khabib at that time.

01:02:43.000 That was past the Conor McGregor fiasco, so my channel get popular because it's something like that.

01:02:49.000 They just watch anything Khabib-related.

01:02:53.000 Khabib got some crazy fans, man.

01:02:55.000 And how many people live in Dagestown?

01:02:57.000 Man, I don't know.

01:02:58.000 Jamie, pull that up.

01:03:01.000 You always want to say that?

01:03:02.000 Yeah.

01:03:04.000 I saw some of the videos of people celebrating when he won.

01:03:07.000 It was fucking crazy, man.

01:03:08.000 The streets, they're honking their horns.

01:03:11.000 When he won the title or when he beat Connor?

01:03:13.000 When he beat Connor.

01:03:14.000 Yeah, that was crazy.

01:03:15.000 2.9 million.

01:03:16.000 Yeah, okay, cool.

01:03:18.000 So it's a city, but it's essentially like nestled in the mountains?

01:03:24.000 Yeah, it's big.

01:03:26.000 The mountains are like right next to it or something?

01:03:28.000 Yep.

01:03:28.000 Like sort of like Denver?

01:03:29.000 Well, when we went to his mountain village, we had to drive like two hours to get there.

01:03:33.000 Oh, really?

01:03:33.000 Yeah.

01:03:34.000 Like we had to go on the borders of Chesney.

01:03:36.000 I had to get another visa.

01:03:37.000 Oh, wow.

01:03:38.000 Like just to get through that checkpoint.

01:03:40.000 I'll never forget.

01:03:40.000 Like we got to the checkpoint and we had to all give them our stuff.

01:03:44.000 And then Khabib was like, get out.

01:03:47.000 And the dude was like, get out.

01:03:49.000 The army guy with his gun.

01:03:51.000 And then I get out and I come around the car and Khabib is like, get your camera, brother.

01:03:56.000 Right?

01:03:56.000 And then he was like, they want to take a picture with you with the camera.

01:03:59.000 I was like, oh, thank God.

01:04:01.000 What the hell y'all about to do?

01:04:03.000 I caught like a bad case of diarrhea while I was over there because I was eating nothing but meat.

01:04:07.000 I was trying to do keto while I was over there.

01:04:11.000 And listen, the toilets are just a hole in the ground.

01:04:14.000 Do you have to squat?

01:04:15.000 Yeah, you got to squat and pull a string or whatever.

01:04:17.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:04:17.000 So I remember we was driving from his village.

01:04:21.000 That was my last night there.

01:04:23.000 And I was always destroyed.

01:04:26.000 I was like, and we got two hours.

01:04:28.000 Oh, no.

01:04:29.000 And we stopped a couple times to eat and pray and all that stuff.

01:04:33.000 And I remember I was suffering and Khabib filming me with his phone laughing.

01:04:37.000 Look at his brother.

01:04:38.000 Look at his brother.

01:04:39.000 He's about to shit himself.

01:04:42.000 And I remember getting back to the place where I was standing in Dagestan.

01:04:45.000 Oh my God.

01:04:46.000 I probably lost like eight pounds.

01:04:48.000 It was crazy, man.

01:04:49.000 It was a crazy experience, man.

01:04:51.000 It was a crazy experience in Dagestan.

01:04:53.000 That's life changing.

01:04:54.000 It changed my life.

01:04:54.000 How long were you there for?

01:04:57.000 Nine days.

01:04:58.000 Wow.

01:04:59.000 It changed my life.

01:05:00.000 Really?

01:05:01.000 Yeah, because when you in this type of industry, everybody materialistic, we all want nice things.

01:05:06.000 We want to live in nice places, want to drive nice cars.

01:05:09.000 I do.

01:05:09.000 Most people do want to live nice and comfortable.

01:05:12.000 And I saw just how happy these people was just living their lives.

01:05:16.000 Like I went to his village.

01:05:18.000 I went to his mountain village and I was in the city and I saw these people were just happy.

01:05:23.000 And maybe on on the outside, they was happy and maybe they was dealing with other things that we don't know about.

01:05:30.000 But I saw...

01:05:33.000 I had a newfound respect And for just the simpleness

01:06:03.000 of that.

01:06:05.000 Like Khabib, I thought honestly Khabib was going to retire after he fought Conor.

01:06:09.000 Because I talked to him a little bit about that.

01:06:12.000 Because he don't want much.

01:06:14.000 What did he say after the Conor fight?

01:06:16.000 No, no.

01:06:17.000 Before the Conor fight.

01:06:18.000 Before?

01:06:18.000 Yeah, he was just like, what do you think about me retiring after the Conor fight?

01:06:23.000 I was like, man, you do what you want to do.

01:06:24.000 I can't tell you.

01:06:25.000 He was like, I mean, I'm going to have money.

01:06:27.000 What else do I need to do, right?

01:06:29.000 Because he obviously knew that was going to be the biggest thing.

01:06:32.000 The biggest fight ever.

01:06:34.000 How much did he make for that fight?

01:06:35.000 I don't know.

01:06:36.000 Well, remember they took his check, right?

01:06:39.000 But obviously he got a lot of money for that.

01:06:40.000 Yeah, they gave him a small...

01:06:43.000 I think Conor had a $4 million check.

01:06:45.000 And then Khabib had a $2 million check.

01:06:47.000 And then obviously they had the pay-per-view points.

01:06:49.000 Right.

01:06:50.000 So I was like, damn, where's my money at?

01:06:52.000 I promoted the thing.

01:06:54.000 You should have definitely gotten paid for that video.

01:06:56.000 Listen, you know what's funny is that somebody asked me, it was like, if you got anything out of this whole thing, what would you want?

01:07:04.000 I'd be like, a camera.

01:07:06.000 Let's get a new camera so I can shoot some movies or something, right?

01:07:09.000 That's literally the low expectations I had out of making the series, right?

01:07:14.000 Especially when it was a documentary, I was just like, man, maybe I make this documentary, put it on Netflix or Amazon for free about fighters.

01:07:21.000 And now looking back on it, the stuff that I have captured on them hard drives, I can sell a documentary for millions of dollars, I think.

01:07:27.000 I got amazing footage.

01:07:31.000 I got the whole Connor thing.

01:07:34.000 That tape is like 20 minutes.

01:07:37.000 Nobody's ever seen it.

01:07:38.000 I have it.

01:07:40.000 No one's really seen the whole thing.

01:07:42.000 Like, I got Conor when he first ran down the tunnel, like, because I seen him from a distance.

01:07:46.000 I wonder if the UFC would be against you putting that on or pro you putting that out?

01:07:51.000 Because...

01:07:52.000 Well, I put it out on my channel, a snippet, and then at the end of it, when it happened, I was like, watch the full episode on Embedded, right?

01:07:58.000 I gave them their just due.

01:08:01.000 Right.

01:08:01.000 And then they literally told me, like, oh, we'll give you credit.

01:08:05.000 I never got credit.

01:08:06.000 Ugh.

01:08:07.000 I was just hoping they put...

01:08:08.000 Shout out to Will Anatomy of a Fighter for helping us get this footage.

01:08:12.000 I never got that.

01:08:12.000 They should've.

01:08:14.000 Either way, you're getting it now.

01:08:16.000 Yeah.

01:08:16.000 So, here we are, man.

01:08:17.000 Yeah.

01:08:18.000 You know, like, going from the first day I walked in that gym and seeing Kamal Uzman to...

01:08:23.000 Filming him for two years all the way to the title.

01:08:26.000 I used to post videos of Kamaru Uzman on the channel.

01:08:29.000 He'd get 4,000 views.

01:08:30.000 And people were like, why are you posting this bum?

01:08:32.000 I'm thinking to myself, these fans are crazy.

01:08:35.000 You can't pay attention to that.

01:08:37.000 Those are just...

01:08:37.000 It's hard, Joe.

01:08:38.000 Those aren't even the fans.

01:08:39.000 It's hard.

01:08:39.000 It's trolls.

01:08:41.000 It's a tiny amount of losers.

01:08:42.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:08:43.000 That's all it is.

01:08:43.000 Because I love the MMA fans.

01:08:44.000 We were talking about that the last time you were here.

01:08:47.000 We were talking about the comments.

01:08:49.000 You can't read it.

01:08:50.000 You can't.

01:08:51.000 It'll drive you fucking crazy.

01:08:52.000 Because the people that want to comment, that want to fuck with you, it's the smallest number, the loudest, the most vocal, and they have the shittiest lives.

01:08:59.000 No one with a good life wants to do that.

01:09:01.000 No one who's happy and healthy wants to fuck with you and say nasty shit.

01:09:05.000 It's crazy.

01:09:05.000 When you put your time and effort into something like, say for example, I flew to Phoenix, filmed Shine, and filmed Bader, and then you...

01:09:13.000 Spend all these hours, 10 hours editing something and then you put it on and then somebody's like, that dude sucks.

01:09:18.000 It's like, damn man, are you appreciating what I'm doing or are you just trolling?

01:09:22.000 You're talking to morons.

01:09:23.000 You're reading the thoughts of morons.

01:09:26.000 You're reading the thoughts of limited minds.

01:09:28.000 That's all it is.

01:09:29.000 It's really that simple.

01:09:30.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

01:09:31.000 Anybody thought that Kamaru Usman was a bum?

01:09:33.000 I knew Usman was a murderer years ago.

01:09:36.000 I saw him fight years ago.

01:09:38.000 I'm like, nobody wants to fight that guy.

01:09:39.000 I know.

01:09:39.000 I used to love taking snippets of your podcast, your voice, because you're just that narration voice, and putting it with stuff.

01:09:47.000 You can be like, oh, that was a universe pulling us together.

01:09:50.000 But no, I just was like, this goes with this.

01:09:54.000 When you and Shab are together, I love that because y'all able to bounce.

01:09:59.000 Because obviously his experience with the fight game and then your experience with the fight game, y'all able to bounce debate and things like that.

01:10:06.000 And I'm like, that's a good mix.

01:10:08.000 Like a lot of people go in on the episode I did at a weigh ins with Conor and Khabib.

01:10:12.000 And it was like you and Shab talking.

01:10:14.000 And that's just the narration shot of how I do film, because that's what I love about sports documentaries is narration.

01:10:21.000 And that's how I get it.

01:10:23.000 I get so many people that's like, oh, I want to I'm trying to do the same thing you doing.

01:10:27.000 and I'm like, don't try to be an animal fighter.

01:10:31.000 Right.

01:10:31.000 Like, if I'm filming one fighter, it's a thousand other fighters.

01:10:35.000 I don't want to just do UFC. I want to do Bellator.

01:10:37.000 I want to do one.

01:10:38.000 I want to do boxing.

01:10:39.000 That's why I was trying to say earlier, my goal, I would love to do an anatomy of Deontay Walter.

01:10:43.000 I bet you could do it.

01:10:44.000 I bet you could do it.

01:10:45.000 I had Andy Ruiz.

01:10:47.000 Really?

01:10:48.000 And they didn't.

01:10:48.000 So what happened was Mike Rasheed reached out to me and was like, hey, do you want to do Andy Ruiz?

01:10:53.000 I was like, I'm thinking John Ruiz, right?

01:10:56.000 So I'm like, Junior?

01:10:57.000 Like...

01:10:58.000 Junior or senior, right?

01:10:59.000 And he was like, no, the guy that replaced Big Baby Miller.

01:11:02.000 And that's one of my good friends, Big Baby Miller.

01:11:05.000 And he was like, yeah, man, he's fighting Joshua now.

01:11:08.000 He got a good chance.

01:11:09.000 I posted on my Instagram a text message from him.

01:11:12.000 He was like, man, it'll be a good opportunity because I think he can really beat Joshua.

01:11:17.000 And he did, and I missed out.

01:11:20.000 See, those are the moments like the Conor Dolly thing.

01:11:23.000 It's key moments in film, like this viral nation that you need to...

01:11:27.000 That's why I film everybody.

01:11:28.000 I film these guys that's not popular, things like that, because these guys may be the champions one day.

01:11:33.000 And I want to be like, I was there at the beginning.

01:11:37.000 That's the thrill you get out of it, if anything, right?

01:11:40.000 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 And I filmed the Cejudos.

01:11:43.000 I filmed the Uzmans.

01:11:45.000 I filmed the Khabibs.

01:11:46.000 I've been in locker rooms with the title winners.

01:11:48.000 I've been in there when Vulcan lost.

01:11:50.000 But you were telling me some great footage that you got that you wouldn't have gotten.

01:11:54.000 That story wouldn't have got out about Cejudo.

01:11:56.000 About Cejudo coming back from the Olympic gold medal, winning the Olympics in wrestling, and then fucking living in the gym.

01:12:03.000 To win the Golden Globes.

01:12:04.000 That's crazy.

01:12:05.000 Crazy.

01:12:06.000 I never knew that.

01:12:07.000 That's the ecstasy I get out of filming these guys.

01:12:09.000 Like, you hear these little stories.

01:12:11.000 Yeah.

01:12:11.000 And I was like, you never talk about that.

01:12:13.000 Right.

01:12:13.000 Like, you know, he's running with the whole heel of the gold medal thing.

01:12:17.000 Well, he's doing some weird shit now.

01:12:20.000 He's calling himself the King of Cringe.

01:12:22.000 King of Cringe.

01:12:22.000 What is that about?

01:12:23.000 Well, because people was calling him cringey.

01:12:25.000 Why is he hissing them?

01:12:26.000 You know how they rake on Luke Rockhold?

01:12:28.000 Because he's like Triple C now.

01:12:30.000 Yeah.

01:12:30.000 I'm now Triple C. He's running with it.

01:12:33.000 He like the Mexican Colby Covington.

01:12:35.000 He better be careful.

01:12:36.000 What he is is a fucking beast.

01:12:39.000 He a beast, though.

01:12:40.000 His mind is just unstoppable.

01:12:41.000 The fact that Marlon fucked him up like that in that first round and was chewing his legs up, I mean, I did not think.

01:12:48.000 And it looked like he was going to get KO'd.

01:12:49.000 It looked like he couldn't close the distance.

01:12:51.000 Marlon looked calm and comfortable and super professional.

01:12:54.000 And then a switch flipped, and then the second round came around, and Cejudo's just walking him down and closing the distance.

01:13:02.000 Then he gets him in the clinch and lands knees.

01:13:03.000 I'm like, this is like a fucking movie.

01:13:05.000 That's Eric Alberison and Santino DeFranco and all those guys over there.

01:13:10.000 That definitely has something to do with it, but it's also Cejudo.

01:13:13.000 Cejudo's a special athlete.

01:13:14.000 I did not know when he lost to DJ. Suhudo was lost.

01:13:19.000 He went on a whole world tour to find himself.

01:13:22.000 He went to Thailand.

01:13:23.000 He went to Brazil.

01:13:23.000 He was training everywhere.

01:13:24.000 After he lost to DJ. After he lost the first time.

01:13:27.000 And those are the stories right there.

01:13:29.000 He felt like he needed to get better as a martial artist.

01:13:33.000 Well, he did.

01:13:34.000 I mean, with DJ at the time, it's arguable now who's the best.

01:13:39.000 It's like him or John, right?

01:13:40.000 Now he's at 1FC. It's a wholly different ballgame.

01:13:42.000 But what DJ was, was the most complete package we'd ever seen.

01:13:46.000 The guy who you couldn't hit, who could hit you, he could wrestle you, he could submit you, he could strike with you.

01:13:53.000 He had incredible footwork and speed.

01:13:55.000 I mean, DJ was just perfect.

01:13:57.000 And that night, he just found that opening, just fucked him up with knees to the body.

01:14:01.000 I mean, DJ, man, there was moments in DJ's career where I remember watching him and calling his fights.

01:14:06.000 I'm like, God damn, this dude's special.

01:14:07.000 It's like something about what he's doing.

01:14:09.000 He's so far ahead of everybody else in the division.

01:14:12.000 So far ahead.

01:14:12.000 I think I'm about to go up to Seattle or Kirkland and do something for one FC. Concentrate on Matt Hume.

01:14:18.000 Matt Hume is a bad motherfucker.

01:14:20.000 Is he?

01:14:20.000 Oh my god.

01:14:21.000 He's got such a deep knowledge and understanding of the sport.

01:14:24.000 You ever see him fight?

01:14:25.000 Nope.

01:14:26.000 Matt Hume stopped Pat Miletic back in the day.

01:14:29.000 I know Pat.

01:14:30.000 Who did he submit?

01:14:31.000 Kenny Johnson?

01:14:33.000 I forget who it was in one of those...

01:14:36.000 They had a professional submission grappling pay-per-view event at one point in time.

01:14:41.000 Frank Shamrock submitted Dan Henderson.

01:14:43.000 And Matt Hume was a fucking straight up killer.

01:14:47.000 I mean, he was a really, really good world-class mixed martial artist back when nobody was.

01:14:52.000 He had excellent Muay Thai, excellent submissions.

01:14:55.000 He was good at everything.

01:14:56.000 How was the Seattle MMA scene?

01:14:59.000 Well, I mean, there's been great guys to come from it, like Josh Barnett, and of course, Mighty Mouse being the biggest one.

01:15:05.000 It's not as big as, say, like Miami.

01:15:08.000 Like, where you're at in South Florida, that's the biggest...

01:15:12.000 Yeah, that was...

01:15:13.000 When I lived in South Florida, that was...

01:15:15.000 I mean...

01:15:16.000 Black Zillions and American Top Team on one spot, and then a plethora of world-class jiu-jitsu around that area.

01:15:22.000 I mean, and then also world-class boxing.

01:15:25.000 Obviously, I mean, that's where...

01:15:27.000 I mean, what the fuck is his name?

01:15:30.000 Sugar Ray Leonard's trainer, Muhammad Ali's trainer, the old guy.

01:15:34.000 Cus DeMoto?

01:15:35.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:15:37.000 The old guy who said to...

01:15:38.000 I said Cus.

01:15:39.000 No, no, no, you're blowing it, son.

01:15:40.000 What the fuck is his name?

01:15:41.000 Old Italian guy.

01:15:43.000 Fuck, I can't believe I can't remember his name.

01:15:46.000 I can't believe I can't remember his name.

01:15:47.000 This is embarrassing.

01:15:49.000 Sugar Ray Leonard's boxing trainer.

01:15:52.000 Angelo Dundee.

01:15:53.000 Yeah, Angelo Dundee.

01:15:54.000 You're blowing it, kid.

01:15:55.000 And he comes out and stops Tommy Hearns in the next round.

01:15:58.000 That's crazy.

01:15:59.000 That was Miami.

01:16:00.000 Denver.

01:16:02.000 I'm not going to be in LA long.

01:16:04.000 Of course not.

01:16:05.000 You're a gypsy, man.

01:16:06.000 You just move around.

01:16:07.000 So my whole thing is, honestly, Joe, I want to settle somewhere, though.

01:16:13.000 Where do you want to settle?

01:16:14.000 Denver's a good spot.

01:16:15.000 This is all I was going to ask you.

01:16:17.000 So these are the three cities I'm thinking about.

01:16:19.000 To settle for maybe a few years, four years, back to San Diego, Denver, and Seattle.

01:16:26.000 Which one should I choose?

01:16:27.000 I would say San Diego or Denver.

01:16:29.000 I love Seattle, but that rainy season can suck my dick.

01:16:35.000 You can't do it.

01:16:36.000 It'll drive you crazy.

01:16:37.000 When it rains for seven weeks in a row, and you look out the window, you're like, I gotta get the fuck out of here.

01:16:42.000 There's not enough online dating, huh?

01:16:44.000 Are you in the sun on dating?

01:16:49.000 Be sitting in there swiping left, right.

01:16:53.000 It's just vitamin D, man.

01:16:55.000 It really is.

01:16:55.000 It's not good for your head.

01:16:56.000 I love San Diego.

01:16:57.000 I love it.

01:16:58.000 I love San Diego.

01:16:59.000 I live in a nice apartment complex now.

01:17:01.000 And the good thing about it is I can transfer.

01:17:04.000 They have a relocation program.

01:17:06.000 Like if you want to transfer 30 miles away, you can do it for free.

01:17:09.000 So I can choose...

01:17:11.000 Those cities.

01:17:12.000 Oh.

01:17:12.000 So, like, I can just transfer to them cities.

01:17:14.000 And I'm thinking, like, man, I gotta get out of downtown LA, man.

01:17:17.000 It's crazy.

01:17:18.000 Downtown's gross.

01:17:19.000 It's gross.

01:17:19.000 It's not a real downtown.

01:17:20.000 It's not like downtown New York.

01:17:22.000 It's like The Walking Dead at Ross.

01:17:23.000 Yes.

01:17:24.000 Ah!

01:17:25.000 Bro.

01:17:25.000 Listen, I go there all the time.

01:17:27.000 It's gross.

01:17:27.000 I went in there the other day, and I was going to get, like, some Quest bars.

01:17:32.000 I've seen this dude in the aisle, and he was like, what's up, man?

01:17:37.000 He had a basket full of stuff, and then I look at him again.

01:17:41.000 He's just opening up stuff, eating it.

01:17:43.000 You go to another aisle, somebody's just roaming with a cart, and these are all homeless people just putting stuff in carts.

01:17:49.000 And just didn't get kicked out by security.

01:17:51.000 And then you see them and check out and you're like, this is crazy.

01:17:54.000 It's every day.

01:17:55.000 Downtown is insane.

01:17:56.000 It's infested with homeless people.

01:17:58.000 Like, you can't fix it.

01:18:00.000 Like, the only way to fix it was...

01:18:01.000 It's bad.

01:18:02.000 You'd have to take them, arrest them, put them in a plane, and fly them somewhere else.

01:18:06.000 And drop them off.

01:18:06.000 But that's what I heard they doing.

01:18:08.000 I heard they did that to L.A. Like, dropping people off in L.A.? Didn't we go over this?

01:18:12.000 We went up and someone got sent to, like, Indiana.

01:18:14.000 Yeah.

01:18:15.000 What?

01:18:16.000 We looked this up, and in fact, they've been doing that forever, sending people all around the country.

01:18:22.000 There's whole flight paths of what they did with homeless people.

01:18:25.000 They just send homeless people and let someone else deal with it.

01:18:28.000 Shit, they need to drop them off in Denver.

01:18:29.000 It's bad.

01:18:30.000 I heard Denver getting bad, too.

01:18:32.000 Of course it's getting bad, with that weed money.

01:18:34.000 The weed money, and now mushroom money, because now Denver decriminalized mushrooms.

01:18:38.000 Prostitution next.

01:18:39.000 Woo!

01:18:40.000 Probably.

01:18:41.000 Cheaper than dating these days.

01:18:42.000 You're excited.

01:18:43.000 Hey, man.

01:18:44.000 L.A., boy, it's tough.

01:18:46.000 I'll probably spend a lot of money on first dates.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:18:50.000 It's a very materialistic city.

01:18:52.000 Because it sucks to be a man in dating.

01:18:54.000 Because you've got to impress.

01:18:55.000 Well, if you can impress, it doesn't suck.

01:18:57.000 Listen, before I started making money and having money...

01:19:01.000 Dating was fun because you was broke and you can do smoothie dates and Starbucks dates and you know you was going to spend five, six bucks to have a conversation.

01:19:07.000 How old are you now?

01:19:08.000 I'm 37. Yeah, you're too close to 40 to be doing that.

01:19:11.000 I know.

01:19:11.000 You can't do that no more.

01:19:12.000 You got to take chicks to Palm Springs for the weekend and things like that.

01:19:16.000 Well, they want a nice meal.

01:19:16.000 I like that stuff now, though.

01:19:18.000 Sure.

01:19:18.000 They want a guy who can take them to a nice dinner and buy them nice things.

01:19:22.000 I don't fault any woman that wants a man that has his shit together.

01:19:26.000 Yeah.

01:19:26.000 Because for so long I didn't.

01:19:28.000 And now I do.

01:19:29.000 Now I want to have some fun.

01:19:30.000 Of course.

01:19:32.000 Forget that.

01:19:32.000 I ain't trying to complain no more.

01:19:34.000 But as far as cities, the vibe, I love the vibe of San Diego and I love the vibe of Denver.

01:19:39.000 I love those cities.

01:19:40.000 Yeah, I'm leaning towards back to San Diego because it's still close to...

01:19:44.000 I just drove to Irvine the other day.

01:19:46.000 I was like, that was a simple drive.

01:19:47.000 Yeah.

01:19:48.000 As long as you do it early.

01:19:49.000 Yeah.

01:19:49.000 You try to do that shit at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you want to shoot yourself.

01:19:52.000 Yeah, you will want to.

01:19:53.000 There's an Irvine improv I work at all the time.

01:19:55.000 Dude, when I have a 7 o'clock show, I leave here at fucking noon.

01:19:58.000 What?

01:19:59.000 And I'm not playing games.

01:20:00.000 I leave here at noon.

01:20:01.000 I get there early.

01:20:02.000 I check in.

01:20:03.000 I have dinner.

01:20:04.000 I don't fuck around with that 4 p.m.

01:20:07.000 traffic.

01:20:08.000 It's insane.

01:20:08.000 It is nuts.

01:20:09.000 It took me six hours to get down there once.

01:20:12.000 When you went to Shab's show, when he had his special, how early did you...

01:20:16.000 Noon.

01:20:17.000 Noon?

01:20:17.000 Noon.

01:20:18.000 Damn.

01:20:18.000 Got a hotel just to put my shit in.

01:20:21.000 Checked in, checked out.

01:20:22.000 I didn't even stay there.

01:20:24.000 My daughter had an event the next day that I had to go to for school.

01:20:27.000 So you drove back up?

01:20:28.000 Yeah, I drove back that night.

01:20:31.000 After the show.

01:20:32.000 After the second show.

01:20:33.000 That's an easy drive, though.

01:20:35.000 It's not bad.

01:20:36.000 Yeah, especially late at night.

01:20:38.000 Yeah, you get a couple Red Bulls and you're fine.

01:20:39.000 Yeah, I got to LA quick once when I lived in San Diego.

01:20:43.000 I used my boy's truck.

01:20:44.000 I met this girl online in the middle of the night.

01:20:48.000 You met a girl online in the middle of the night.

01:20:51.000 Listen, I know.

01:20:53.000 If I ever was going to end up on a Joe Rogan podcast, I thought it was going to be for me writing a book.

01:20:58.000 About online dating?

01:20:59.000 Really?

01:20:59.000 Confessions of an online dater.

01:21:01.000 I swear.

01:21:02.000 Why don't you do that?

01:21:03.000 Well, you don't need a book, but just do a video about it.

01:21:06.000 Do documentaries about how crazy it is.

01:21:07.000 I used to film girls and interview them and everything.

01:21:10.000 About dating.

01:21:11.000 Like, what sucks about dating and things like that?

01:21:13.000 Online dating has only existed for, like, at its rawest form, 20 years.

01:21:21.000 Rawest form was 20 years ago.

01:21:23.000 That was like AOL. You was a weirdo then, though.

01:21:26.000 Oh, wow.

01:21:27.000 Listen, if you do Tinder or Bumble in LA, you're seeing celebrities and everything on it.

01:21:33.000 Really?

01:21:33.000 Yes, chicks.

01:21:34.000 Like all these successful chicks searching for love.

01:21:37.000 Wow.

01:21:38.000 That's scary, though.

01:21:39.000 Why is it scary?

01:21:41.000 Because you don't know who you really meet in.

01:21:43.000 For a woman.

01:21:44.000 Imagine being a woman.

01:21:46.000 It would suck to be a woman.

01:21:47.000 That's got to be weird.

01:21:49.000 A successful celebrity woman trying to meet dudes.

01:21:52.000 You want to hear this story?

01:21:53.000 And this is crazy.

01:21:54.000 So I met this famous online female trainer, beautiful, here in LA. She's very popular.

01:22:00.000 I ain't going to say her name.

01:22:02.000 I met her on Match.com, and I got her Instagram, and we exchanged our Instagrams or whatever.

01:22:10.000 So I looked at her Instagram, and she was doing content, but on her phone, like in her living room, doing squat jumps and things like that.

01:22:21.000 And I reached out to her.

01:22:23.000 We set up a date.

01:22:23.000 We're going to go hiking, running, and do everything.

01:22:25.000 And I was like, listen...

01:22:28.000 I looked at your Instagram page and your content.

01:22:31.000 I would love to be able to help you out and give you better content.

01:22:34.000 She lost it.

01:22:36.000 I don't need your help.

01:22:37.000 I don't need your help.

01:22:39.000 You look like you need to help yourself.

01:22:41.000 I'm just telling you that I could help.

01:22:44.000 I'm like, I am a filmmaker.

01:22:47.000 I could help you do some content.

01:22:49.000 She took it the wrong way.

01:22:51.000 I'm probably trying to take advantage of her millions of followers and things like that.

01:22:56.000 I was like, man, I'm going to be single forever forever.

01:23:01.000 But I think sometimes that's also, there's very limited communicating with people in a text.

01:23:06.000 Yep.

01:23:07.000 And they take it the wrong way.

01:23:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:23:09.000 You got to kind of meet people.

01:23:11.000 But I bet if you met her and you said, hey, you are beautiful, you got a great body, these videos are great and everything, but I think I could make them even better.

01:23:19.000 Oh, she still would have taken it the wrong way.

01:23:21.000 She was like in her 40s.

01:23:24.000 People get set in their ways.

01:23:25.000 She was an alpha female.

01:23:26.000 You know, those alpha females that you can't.

01:23:28.000 Some girls have been fucked over so many times they think everyone's going to fuck them over.

01:23:32.000 It's like a dog that's been beaten.

01:23:33.000 You ever pick up a dog from the pound?

01:23:35.000 Oh, yeah?

01:23:36.000 Yeah, I've had dogs from the pound.

01:23:37.000 You're like, hey, I love dogs.

01:23:39.000 Come on, I'm not going to beat you.

01:23:40.000 They don't care.

01:23:41.000 It's nuts.

01:23:42.000 So, yeah, I would probably think San Diego would be the move or Denver.

01:23:47.000 I like both of them, man.

01:23:49.000 I can't go wrong.

01:23:49.000 I think you can't go wrong.

01:23:51.000 Well, you can't go wrong MMA-wise.

01:23:53.000 Like, San Diego has Alliance.

01:23:54.000 You know, San Diego has a ton of great jiu-jitsu.

01:23:57.000 Shout out to my man Boogie at 10th Planet.

01:23:59.000 And then...

01:24:00.000 It's close to here.

01:24:01.000 Yeah, it's real close to here.

01:24:03.000 But then, Denver is the fucking shit, man.

01:24:05.000 Denver got a lot of gym.

01:24:06.000 Denver also has really good vibe.

01:24:08.000 I'm trying to do some stuff without...

01:24:09.000 I like the people in Denver a lot.

01:24:10.000 I like the people in San Diego, too.

01:24:12.000 I would...

01:24:12.000 Look, I'd flip a coin.

01:24:14.000 If I had to move out of LA... I have no kids, so I could just flip a coin.

01:24:17.000 San Diego.

01:24:18.000 We're going.

01:24:19.000 That's it, everybody.

01:24:20.000 That's how I'm going to do.

01:24:21.000 I would be happy.

01:24:21.000 Either one.

01:24:22.000 You can't go wrong.

01:24:23.000 And they're both a good-sized city.

01:24:25.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:24:26.000 Like, not too crazy.

01:24:27.000 Yeah.

01:24:28.000 Like, San Diego is a great-sized city.

01:24:30.000 And I'm not a going-out guy.

01:24:31.000 Like, I'm not...

01:24:32.000 I don't do clubs.

01:24:34.000 You know, I go to a bar here and there.

01:24:36.000 It cuts into your online dating, right?

01:24:38.000 It gets in the way.

01:24:39.000 Well, I don't know.

01:24:40.000 I think in them early days, I was in the clubs every day.

01:24:44.000 Yeah, that's a waste of time.

01:24:46.000 Yeah, and a lot of years I wasted just partying, not trying to get my shit together.

01:24:50.000 So I feel like now, it's different when you find a passion, man, and you get obsessed with it.

01:24:57.000 And I'm obsessed with this Anatomy of a Fire thing.

01:25:00.000 I have a post in my phone that I was going to show you where it was August 22, 2017, and I had 54 subscribers.

01:25:12.000 And I was like, 46 to my first 100. And I was like, listen, it's not a lot, but I appreciate all the supporters that I have.

01:25:20.000 So this is going to be one of the biggest MMA documentary channels in the world.

01:25:24.000 And that was August 22, 2017, when I first started the channel.

01:25:28.000 I couldn't even name it Anatomy of a Fighter yet.

01:25:29.000 You have to wait until you get 100 subscribers.

01:25:32.000 So looking back on that journey...

01:25:37.000 I went from South Florida to Vegas, Vegas to Florida, Florida to Vegas, Vegas to Florida, Florida to here.

01:25:44.000 And now here we are.

01:25:45.000 How many subscribers do you have now?

01:25:47.000 How many do I got, Jamie?

01:25:49.000 I think 238,000.

01:25:51.000 Beautiful.

01:25:52.000 Not bad.

01:25:53.000 I have a little thing in the back from when we had 100,000 subscribers.

01:25:57.000 We got a little award.

01:25:58.000 Yeah, I got one too.

01:25:59.000 I was like, look at that.

01:26:00.000 Silver Creator Award.

01:26:01.000 100,000 subscribers.

01:26:03.000 That was my only goal with Anatomy of Fighter.

01:26:06.000 My friends have YouTube channels.

01:26:09.000 And I seen what they was doing and that was a goal, like the Silver Creator Award if you get $100,000.

01:26:15.000 And I was like, maybe I'll get it in two or three years.

01:26:18.000 That's what I thought.

01:26:20.000 And I can just do this on the side.

01:26:22.000 And then once I started to gain some traction, I was like, let me ease back on weddings.

01:26:26.000 And I'm leaving guaranteed income and comfortability to put my time and effort into this.

01:26:32.000 Because now I'm like, I got 200,000 people following me.

01:26:35.000 I can't go back now.

01:26:36.000 Right.

01:26:37.000 I gotta continue to build this.

01:26:38.000 Well, it's gonna be giant, man.

01:26:39.000 You're really talented, and it's really good.

01:26:41.000 I appreciate it.

01:26:41.000 And what I like about this podcast, what I was hoping this podcast was gonna be is exactly what it was.

01:26:46.000 I love to hear people's stories.

01:26:49.000 That's one of the reasons why I like documentaries.

01:26:51.000 Because I think we can all relate to moments in our lives Where we're lost or we just didn't have it.

01:26:58.000 It wasn't where we wanted it to be.

01:27:02.000 Trying to figure out how the fuck do I get it together?

01:27:05.000 How the fuck do I make it happen?

01:27:07.000 It's the real world.

01:27:08.000 Instagram is fake.

01:27:10.000 You make it look whatever you want, but documentaries won't lie.

01:27:14.000 And that's the reason why I love doing that form of content because it's just like...

01:27:19.000 Listen, one thing I've learned about the whole series is that everybody's not going to like...

01:27:25.000 A certain fighter.

01:27:26.000 One fighter is not going to get a lot of views.

01:27:29.000 Some people are not even going to care about that fighter because that's just the way momentum and popularity is.

01:27:35.000 But that's when I love it the most.

01:27:37.000 Like somebody asked me the other day because I had posted a picture on my Instagram of the NBA draft.

01:27:43.000 It was one player sitting by himself while they was interviewing Zion Williamson.

01:27:47.000 All the media.

01:27:48.000 And you know how it is in media day in the UFC. Everybody got their name.

01:27:51.000 Well, this guy was sitting by himself and nobody was trying to talk to him.

01:27:55.000 And I said, yo, if you ever in this position, use this as motivation.

01:27:59.000 And I think like Kamaru Uzman posted, like I've been there where nobody want to pay attention to you.

01:28:03.000 So somebody commented and was like, would you rather film Khabib or a regional LFA guy?

01:28:09.000 I was like the regional LFA guy.

01:28:10.000 I take pleasure in connecting with people just like me.

01:28:14.000 I'm not popular.

01:28:15.000 It was that picture right there.

01:28:16.000 Like nobody's paying attention to him.

01:28:19.000 No thanks?

01:28:20.000 You just click no thanks in the pop-up ad?

01:28:23.000 That's essentially what they're saying about him.

01:28:25.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 No thanks.

01:28:26.000 So that's how I feel even in the media circuit with what I do.

01:28:31.000 That's how it is with everything.

01:28:32.000 I mean, I've been there as a comedian.

01:28:33.000 I've been there in the early days of podcasting.

01:28:36.000 You know, it's it's how it is.

01:28:38.000 It's just life is a journey and what I love about your story is that People can relate to someone struggling and then figuring it out.

01:28:46.000 Yeah, and then it gives them hope like okay I'm struggling now But if I just make the right moves and put the right amount of effort and focus and and dedication to something I can make something happen Everybody can I really believe that and I love that.

01:28:59.000 It's one of my favorite things.

01:29:00.000 I'm a I'm a success junkie.

01:29:02.000 I love watching other people's success and I'm a big fan of other people doing well.

01:29:09.000 I like helping people.

01:29:11.000 Listen, I've been in locker rooms when they lose and I'm in there when they win and it's the same for me.

01:29:18.000 I feel bad for the other opponent.

01:29:21.000 People always ask me, do you get any type of excitement out of filming guys win?

01:29:25.000 Not really.

01:29:26.000 I'm just telling the story.

01:29:28.000 You have to be like that.

01:29:30.000 Kobe Covington, Kamaru Uzma.

01:29:32.000 I would love to be neutral and film both of them and do a story on Kobe and a story on Uzma.

01:29:37.000 Like, people always get mad.

01:29:38.000 It's like, why don't you post about this fight?

01:29:40.000 I'm like, I'm funding this myself.

01:29:42.000 Right.

01:29:42.000 I'm not, I can't.

01:29:43.000 First of all, again, stop reading those fucking comments, dude.

01:29:48.000 They'll change perception.

01:29:50.000 So I've met people that have gone mad reading comments.

01:29:53.000 They go crazy.

01:29:54.000 Yeah.

01:29:55.000 They think the world's out to get them.

01:29:56.000 I'm like, hey, you got like a hundred people that are talking shit to you.

01:29:59.000 And then you got a thousand.

01:30:01.000 And ten million or whatever the fuck it is that love you.

01:30:02.000 That love you.

01:30:03.000 Don't do this, man.

01:30:04.000 Yeah.

01:30:05.000 Don't do this.

01:30:05.000 But I do wish I get...

01:30:08.000 I can't wait till I get to a point where I can have the resources to go film a lot more content because...

01:30:14.000 I love doing this.

01:30:15.000 Yeah.

01:30:16.000 Like, I would love to go to, when you had Khalil Roundtree on, and I had commented on a comment on YouTube, like, I would love to do Anatomy of Khalil in Thailand.

01:30:25.000 I'll hook it up.

01:30:25.000 I would love to just go there.

01:30:27.000 You want to go to Thailand?

01:30:28.000 Do you know Khalil?

01:30:29.000 No, I never met him.

01:30:30.000 He's amazing.

01:30:31.000 Just go, but I ain't sitting on the edge of no damn buildings like he was doing.

01:30:34.000 He crazy for that.

01:30:35.000 He's crazy.

01:30:36.000 But the transformation that guy's made as a fighter from when he went to Thailand, he's back there now.

01:30:41.000 He's in Bangkok.

01:30:41.000 Yeah.

01:30:41.000 He's a beast, man.

01:30:43.000 That Eric Anders fight, I was like, holy shit.

01:30:46.000 Eric is a tough dude.

01:30:48.000 He's as tough as it is.

01:30:49.000 That was one thing Khalil said.

01:30:50.000 He never even winced.

01:30:51.000 I mean, he is eating leg kick after leg kick from a guy who kicks as hard as anybody I've ever seen.

01:30:57.000 That's crazy.

01:30:58.000 Khalil is so fast.

01:31:00.000 When I was watching him throw those kicks, I was like, who is this guy?

01:31:04.000 He was brutal.

01:31:05.000 How did you turn into this guy?

01:31:07.000 Like, you see his earlier fights and you see this.

01:31:09.000 So he beat Gokan Saki.

01:31:11.000 What was his name?

01:31:12.000 Gokan Saki.

01:31:12.000 And then he lost, right?

01:31:14.000 Yeah, he lost to Johnny Walker.

01:31:16.000 And then he went and reinvented himself again.

01:31:19.000 Johnny caught him with an elbow in the clinch, man.

01:31:21.000 He caught him with one of these.

01:31:22.000 One of these elbows in the clinch.

01:31:23.000 And he KO'd him.

01:31:25.000 And, you know, he just said, okay, I have to really learn Muay Thai.

01:31:29.000 And so, fuck it, I'm going to Thailand.

01:31:30.000 I know.

01:31:31.000 So he went to Thailand and I followed his Instagram journey.

01:31:35.000 You know, I'm watching all his training footage and he just fell in love with Thailand.

01:31:39.000 And then he came back and I'm like, this motherfucker's fighting like a Thai.

01:31:42.000 I know.

01:31:42.000 Looking like Saget from Street Fighter.

01:31:44.000 But like a jacked...

01:31:46.000 Muscular, 205-pound tie.

01:31:47.000 He used to be a fat boy, too.

01:31:48.000 Crazy.

01:31:49.000 That's crazy, man.

01:31:50.000 And the nicest guy.

01:31:51.000 He couldn't get a nicer guy.

01:31:54.000 It's nuts to see that transformation, to see him go from this guy that was chubby and then this world-class fighter.

01:32:02.000 Well, that, too, but...

01:32:04.000 The difference between him and...

01:32:06.000 Well, it's hard to say, right?

01:32:08.000 Because the Gokhan Saki fight was real quick.

01:32:10.000 He just cracked him in the left hand.

01:32:12.000 And Khalil's very fast.

01:32:13.000 And then to see him getting KO'd by Johnny Walker.

01:32:16.000 But then to see...

01:32:17.000 I've seen his other fights.

01:32:18.000 I've seen many fights of his.

01:32:19.000 But to see the transformation.

01:32:21.000 I'm like, what the fuck?

01:32:22.000 The kicks, man.

01:32:24.000 It was the kicks.

01:32:25.000 He put it all together.

01:32:26.000 And he was fighting Thai style.

01:32:28.000 It's like he was more of the most representative of Muay Thai I'd ever seen in MMA. He just absorbed it, man.

01:32:37.000 What's better?

01:32:38.000 The Thai-style kickboxing or the Dutch?

01:32:41.000 There's no better, man.

01:32:42.000 The thing is, look at Ramon Deckers.

01:32:44.000 Ramon Deckers went over there and he fucked everybody up in Thailand.

01:32:47.000 And he was their size.

01:32:48.000 It's the athlete, but it's also how they incorporate it.

01:32:53.000 There's some great Thai fighters.

01:32:58.000 I forget how to say his name.

01:33:01.000 Doombay just knocked him out.

01:33:04.000 Big time tie fighter.

01:33:06.000 He had like 200 pro tie fights.

01:33:09.000 He had so many...

01:33:10.000 And Dume caught him in glory.

01:33:13.000 Caught him with a right hand in the clinch and KO'd him.

01:33:15.000 It's like...

01:33:17.000 Everybody's style, and Dumbe's more of a kickboxer.

01:33:20.000 It's the athlete, but everybody's style has merits.

01:33:24.000 There's merits to just being that wrestler who ground and pounds and doesn't throw many kicks.

01:33:29.000 There's merits to being that jiu-jitsu guy that doesn't care if they get taken down.

01:33:33.000 It's just like, who are you, though?

01:33:35.000 Are you Damien Maia on the ground?

01:33:38.000 If you're Damien Maia on the ground, there's merits to that style.

01:33:41.000 Damien Maia has strangled a whole lot of world-class killers That never even got a punch-off on him.

01:33:48.000 Uzman got out of that wizard.

01:33:49.000 They broke it up.

01:33:50.000 They fucked David Meyer.

01:33:53.000 Nabalev is the guy he knocked out in his last fight.

01:33:56.000 Dumbe's a beast.

01:33:57.000 Well, Cedric Dumbe's an interesting guy, man, because he reinvented himself.

01:34:00.000 He was more of like a runner.

01:34:02.000 I wouldn't say a runner, but more of a mover, and he would win on points, but then he just, the last few fights.

01:34:09.000 It was a couple fights ago.

01:34:11.000 Two or three fights ago, he fought...

01:34:13.000 I forget how to say the fuck his name.

01:34:16.000 I don't remember how to say the dude's name.

01:34:19.000 Thai guys have those crazy names.

01:34:22.000 I'm going to do some stuff with Glory, too.

01:34:25.000 Glory's amazing, man.

01:34:26.000 Glory does not get the respect that it deserves.

01:34:29.000 I know.

01:34:29.000 I'm a giant fan.

01:34:31.000 I watch all the Glory fans.

01:34:32.000 That's what fascinates me about what I can do.

01:34:35.000 Yeah.

01:34:35.000 Because people just think it's UFC. No, it's Anatomy of a Fighter.

01:34:39.000 It's everybody.

01:34:40.000 Yeah, it's all of that.

01:34:41.000 Cedric Dumbay.

01:34:42.000 Concentrate on that dude.

01:34:43.000 He's my favorite.

01:34:44.000 Cedric Dumbay.

01:34:45.000 He's so good.

01:34:46.000 Kickboxes this man.

01:34:47.000 He flatlines everybody.

01:34:49.000 There it is.

01:34:50.000 Sitsong Pinong.

01:34:52.000 That's it.

01:34:53.000 Tongchai Sitsong Pinong.

01:34:55.000 Say that real quick.

01:34:57.000 Tongchai Sitsong Pinong.

01:34:59.000 Go back to his...

01:35:00.000 So that guy that he fought, Tongchai, Tongchai had like...

01:35:05.000 I mean, hundreds of fights.

01:35:07.000 I don't know how many fucking fights he had total.

01:35:09.000 It was more than 100 tie fights and then a shit ton.

01:35:14.000 Look, 136 wins.

01:35:16.000 Yeah, 175 fucking fights.

01:35:18.000 I'll take 39 losses if I've won 136 times.

01:35:22.000 Yeah, he fought 175 times.

01:35:24.000 That is insane.

01:35:25.000 So, I mean, he's got that Thai style where Doombe's more of a kickboxer style.

01:35:30.000 A lot of times people say, well, they prefer the Thai style because the elbows and the clinch and the knees, but Doombe flatlined him.

01:35:36.000 It's the athlete.

01:35:37.000 It's the way they incorporate their style competing against the other style.

01:35:43.000 There's merits to kickboxing.

01:35:45.000 I prefer the Thai style because I think there's a real benefit to being really good at the clinch.

01:35:52.000 Yeah.

01:35:52.000 Especially when it comes to MMA. Real good at the clinch, the knees to the body, the elbows in the clinch, and kickboxing doesn't allow elbows or knees to the body.

01:36:01.000 But we've seen world-class kickboxers that have come on, like Cro Cop, that have had tremendous success in MMA, going from kickboxing into MMA. I always wonder what somebody like Ray Seffo would do in A-prime in MMA. Well, look at Mark Hunt.

01:36:18.000 Mark Hunt's had a tremendous run.

01:36:19.000 He fought Ray Seffo, right?

01:36:21.000 Yes.

01:36:21.000 Yeah, he did.

01:36:22.000 Yes, he fought Ray Seffo.

01:36:24.000 I mean, when you go back to Mark Hunt, Mark Hunt really, I mean, when he won the K-1 Grand Prix was probably when he was in his prime as an athlete.

01:36:33.000 And then he fought a lot of fights in Pride.

01:36:35.000 So by the time we got him in the UFC, Mark's in his 40s now, right?

01:36:39.000 Is Mark still retiring?

01:36:42.000 He just lost his last fight, right?

01:36:44.000 Who did he lose to?

01:36:46.000 Willis?

01:36:47.000 Yes.

01:36:48.000 Yes.

01:36:49.000 He lost to Willis.

01:36:50.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:36:51.000 I think he's retiring, though.

01:36:53.000 I don't know, but he's probably close.

01:36:55.000 I mean, he's had a long, long, long career.

01:36:58.000 When I was living in Florida, like my home gym is Hard Knocks 365. That's where I started.

01:37:03.000 That's Henry Hoof's gym, right?

01:37:04.000 I love that guy.

01:37:05.000 That's like my big brother, man.

01:37:06.000 I love him.

01:37:07.000 He's a great trainer.

01:37:08.000 He needs a platform to tell his life story because it's crazy.

01:37:12.000 Henry Hoof, he just got back from Thailand.

01:37:14.000 He went over there.

01:37:15.000 He told me, he's like, I just got away from the game for a couple weeks, and then I came back refreshed.

01:37:21.000 Because, you know, he's a beast.

01:37:26.000 Like, I wouldn't want to get caught in the alley with Henry Hoof.

01:37:28.000 He's a big fella, too.

01:37:30.000 Yeah, he's tall as me.

01:37:31.000 He's going to kick your damn knee out.

01:37:33.000 Like, that's just how he is.

01:37:34.000 I done pissed him off a couple times.

01:37:36.000 He done kicked me through the cage.

01:37:38.000 Why?

01:37:38.000 I just complained.

01:37:39.000 Yeah.

01:37:40.000 Like, complaining.

01:37:41.000 Like, hey, Hoof, man, these people didn't pay me enough.

01:37:44.000 And he like, quit complaining.

01:37:46.000 Like, fell back.

01:37:47.000 I was like, damn.

01:37:48.000 I was like, holding on to the cage.

01:37:49.000 I'm like, Hoof is a bad man, man.

01:37:51.000 You don't want to get on his bad side.

01:37:52.000 He's a great trainer.

01:37:53.000 But he's a great guy.

01:37:54.000 And I'm happy.

01:37:57.000 Listen, starting his journey, I've seen so many people say, oh, Hoof is a great coach, but he just can't coach a champion.

01:38:04.000 And just to see him grind and find...

01:38:06.000 But he has champions.

01:38:08.000 He has Ong and one FC, the double champion.

01:38:10.000 He had Michael Chandler, then won a belt a couple times.

01:38:13.000 How do you say Ong's first name?

01:38:17.000 Ong.

01:38:17.000 Silent.

01:38:18.000 How do you pronounce it?

01:38:20.000 I don't know.

01:38:21.000 Ong.

01:38:21.000 That's what I call him.

01:38:22.000 He's a beast, man.

01:38:23.000 He's a beast.

01:38:24.000 People are sleeping on one fighters, and I think when you see guys like Eddie Alvarez go over there and get KO'd, and you see a lot of fighters go over there and have real...

01:38:31.000 I mean, Mighty Mouse had a real hard fight.

01:38:32.000 He did.

01:38:33.000 That wasn't an easy fight.

01:38:33.000 I love Chachri, too.

01:38:35.000 I love Chachri as well, but it's a different world when you're not cutting weight.

01:38:38.000 It's a different world.

01:38:40.000 You know, those advantages you have of being big, they don't exist anymore.

01:38:43.000 You're now fighting someone who's your size.

01:38:45.000 I think it's better.

01:38:46.000 I'm a gypsy.

01:38:47.000 Hey, I would love to go live in Singapore for a year and just film one FC guy.

01:38:53.000 Well, maybe Chautry, if you're listening, if he hears this, maybe he'd have you come down and do that.

01:38:57.000 I talked to the executive producer of content.

01:39:00.000 They want me to do some stuff for him, though.

01:39:02.000 It's changing the landscape of MMA because it is literally larger than the UFC worldwide because of Asia.

01:39:10.000 All the millions of views.

01:39:11.000 Millions.

01:39:12.000 Oh my God.

01:39:13.000 Millions and millions.

01:39:14.000 Imagine if I got the Asia market on Anatomy and Fighters with them subscribers.

01:39:17.000 Oh my God.

01:39:18.000 Well, the good thing is you wouldn't be able to read the contents.

01:39:21.000 Yeah.

01:39:21.000 The comments.

01:39:22.000 The comments would be all in Asian.

01:39:24.000 You'd be like, I don't know what the fuck you're saying.

01:39:25.000 I don't know what they're saying.

01:39:25.000 Great.

01:39:25.000 Thank you.

01:39:26.000 Thank you.

01:39:27.000 Appreciate it.

01:39:28.000 Just don't fucking read them, man.

01:39:31.000 It's tough, man.

01:39:32.000 I know.

01:39:32.000 It is.

01:39:33.000 It draws you in.

01:39:34.000 Yeah.

01:39:35.000 You'll be healthier and happier.

01:39:36.000 Well, you get it.

01:39:36.000 Like, I had got addicted.

01:39:38.000 For a minute, the Khabib effect and Conor effect is real.

01:39:42.000 And you post a video and you get 100,000 views within four hours.

01:39:45.000 You're like, it's going to be like this all the time.

01:39:48.000 Then you post, shout out to my guy Desmond Green, a video of him.

01:39:53.000 And it's insightful and it's talking about some stuff and he'll get 5,000 views.

01:39:58.000 And it's kind of like that.

01:39:59.000 It's like a high, right?

01:40:01.000 And it's like, I got away from it though.

01:40:02.000 That's the reason why I was like, you know what?

01:40:04.000 I started thinking about a lot of stuff in the past month where I was like, man, I just need to move somewhere, live a normal life, and film.

01:40:10.000 And I can go fly somewhere, come back home, live in Denver, live in San Diego, and just be away from popularity and materialism.

01:40:19.000 And that's the thing.

01:40:20.000 It's like, I just want to stick to building this however long it takes.

01:40:24.000 Like I said, if I look back on your channel, I can't imagine where this could be in six years.

01:40:30.000 Imagine where it could be.

01:40:31.000 Yeah.

01:40:31.000 No, it can be gigantic, especially when you think about the fact that you have so many different arts and different disciplines to study.

01:40:39.000 Muay Thai, kickboxing, Dutch kickboxing, boxing, jiu-jitsu.

01:40:44.000 Jiu-jitsu.

01:40:44.000 I mean, there's so much you can study and so much you can watch and so much you can learn.

01:40:48.000 Are you going to train yourself?

01:40:51.000 Kamal Uzman told me I should go over to Undisputed and...

01:40:55.000 Or Unbreakable.

01:40:56.000 Unbreakable in LA. With Glazer.

01:40:57.000 Why not?

01:40:58.000 And just throw some hands.

01:40:59.000 Well, just do something.

01:41:00.000 I don't know.

01:41:01.000 It'll be fun.

01:41:02.000 You've built for it, shit.

01:41:03.000 Yeah.

01:41:03.000 You have that long reach.

01:41:04.000 That's these shirts, man.

01:41:05.000 They make you look good.

01:41:06.000 8-band strong.

01:41:06.000 Yeah.

01:41:07.000 Well, you obviously work out.

01:41:09.000 Yeah, I work out every day.

01:41:11.000 You know what?

01:41:13.000 I read a whole thing on runner's high yesterday because I was like, I want to get back into running.

01:41:19.000 For endorphins?

01:41:20.000 You're heavy, man.

01:41:22.000 How much do you weigh?

01:41:23.000 230. The thing about running, I really think that a lot of people overdo it when they're larger people in the beginning.

01:41:30.000 And I think you really should make sure you get someone who shows you how to run.

01:41:34.000 A mile a day is fine.

01:41:35.000 A couple miles a day.

01:41:36.000 Yeah, sure.

01:41:37.000 But make sure you don't run on concrete, man.

01:41:39.000 No, treadmill.

01:41:40.000 Yeah.

01:41:40.000 I'm a swimmer, though.

01:41:41.000 I haven't since I've been in L.A., but in Florida, I swim every single day, every day, for an hour.

01:41:47.000 Have you ever used one of those Life Runner treadmills, those ones you self-propel?

01:41:50.000 Mm-mm.

01:41:51.000 We have one here.

01:41:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:52.000 They have them at the Institute, too.

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:54.000 What is it called?

01:41:55.000 Not Life Runner.

01:41:56.000 I made the wrong word.

01:41:58.000 They have them at the Institute.

01:41:59.000 Yeah.

01:42:01.000 Air Assault.

01:42:02.000 It's like an Air Assault.

01:42:03.000 The Air Assault bike, the same company, they make that treadmill.

01:42:07.000 It's the shit.

01:42:08.000 It's literally 13, something like 13% harder than regular running.

01:42:12.000 So it makes you better at regular running.

01:42:15.000 Is that what it's called?

01:42:16.000 Yeah, Assault Air Runner.

01:42:18.000 Assault Air Runner.

01:42:20.000 I want to get back into running.

01:42:22.000 I'll show it to you when we get done here.

01:42:25.000 It's really good because it's self-propelled.

01:42:28.000 You're pushing it rather than keep...

01:42:30.000 Because with a treadmill, all you're doing is lifting your leg up and putting it down.

01:42:34.000 You're not really propelling yourself forward.

01:42:36.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:42:37.000 Like the belt's moving.

01:42:39.000 But this, you have to make the belt move.

01:42:41.000 And so when you're making the belt move, you're actually pushing with your legs and strengthens your legs up.

01:42:46.000 I prefer it.

01:42:47.000 I'd be afraid to do anything at my age where I'd be seeing these basketball players just tearing their Achilles by just stepping.

01:42:53.000 I'm thinking like, man, that's tough.

01:42:56.000 I wouldn't want to get kicked in my left knee right now.

01:42:59.000 But I have, like I study things that I film, right?

01:43:03.000 And I just be like, especially like Henry Hoof, I look at all his leg kicks when he's teaching leg kicks.

01:43:08.000 I'm like, if I ever get in the street fight, I just need somebody to properly teach me how to kick in that leg.

01:43:12.000 I'm disabling whoever in my face.

01:43:15.000 That's the first thing I want to do, is kick you in your leg.

01:43:18.000 I'll punch you in your face.

01:43:19.000 I'm athletic enough to beat your ass.

01:43:21.000 But I'm just saying, it's the wrestling that's going to get you.

01:43:25.000 Because most fights end up on the ground, so you've got to know what to do when you're tussling with some...

01:43:29.000 When you go to Ted's Planet tonight, just ask him to show you some shit.

01:43:33.000 Yeah.

01:43:35.000 Or choke.

01:43:37.000 With a choke.

01:43:38.000 Long arms are great for chokes, man.

01:43:40.000 Great for chokes and...

01:43:42.000 Darces and arm end chokes.

01:43:44.000 Because look at John.

01:43:45.000 John, my height.

01:43:45.000 Sure.

01:43:46.000 Like I've been around John and I just think like you see John Jones on TV and then you see him in person.

01:43:51.000 You're like, he a long motherfucker.

01:43:52.000 He's long and he will fuck you up.

01:43:54.000 The best at using it.

01:43:55.000 No one's better at using distance ever than John.

01:43:58.000 He did.

01:43:58.000 Did you ever see the video?

01:44:01.000 Do you know who Dr. Bo Hightower is?

01:44:03.000 Yes.

01:44:03.000 Like when he let John kick him?

01:44:06.000 He did?

01:44:07.000 Yeah, I guess he...

01:44:09.000 Why?

01:44:09.000 He just let him kick him and John kicked him in his leg and he just buckled.

01:44:13.000 I was just like...

01:44:14.000 Why would he let him kick him?

01:44:15.000 I think he had reached the number of subscribers on YouTube.

01:44:19.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:44:20.000 Decided to be crippled?

01:44:21.000 Yeah.

01:44:23.000 John is a beast.

01:44:24.000 I met John a few times.

01:44:26.000 I haven't done Anatomy of John Jones yet.

01:44:30.000 Oh, is this it?

01:44:31.000 Yeah, watch this.

01:44:32.000 It's crazy.

01:44:33.000 He's putting his weight on it too.

01:44:34.000 John is crazy.

01:44:36.000 Oh, boy.

01:44:38.000 He did it to another doctor, too.

01:44:39.000 Oh, my God.

01:44:41.000 He's crippling doctors.

01:44:42.000 And he didn't even hit them full blast.

01:44:44.000 Nah.

01:44:44.000 But you know how weak that leg can be.

01:44:46.000 Yeah.

01:44:47.000 If you don't train that and strengthen it.

01:44:49.000 How do you even strengthen that part of your leg?

01:44:51.000 You get used to getting kicked there.

01:44:52.000 You develop all these weird veins, too.

01:44:55.000 It's real strange.

01:44:56.000 Nah, man.

01:44:56.000 You ever see Kevin Randerman's leg after he fought Pedro?

01:44:59.000 Kevin Randerman with the hair?

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:01.000 Didn't he have his hair blonde or something?

01:45:03.000 Yeah, sometimes.

01:45:03.000 Some fights he had crazy blonde hair.

01:45:05.000 He had big legs though.

01:45:06.000 He was jacked.

01:45:07.000 Super jacked.

01:45:08.000 But he fought Pedro Hizzo.

01:45:09.000 And Pedro Hizzo fucked his legs up so bad.

01:45:12.000 He had these giant veins.

01:45:14.000 Weird, broken veins all over his leg.

01:45:17.000 Randy Couture had him too.

01:45:19.000 Also from Pedro Hizzo.

01:45:21.000 I like Randy.

01:45:22.000 In all the years I've seen people kick legs, Pedro Hizo probably kicked harder than anybody I've ever seen.

01:45:27.000 I remember I watched him at Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu in the 1990s.

01:45:30.000 He was kicking a heavy bag, and I was just like, what in the fuck?

01:45:35.000 His leg kicks were preposterous.

01:45:39.000 It would just bend that fucking bag in half, and you just think about what it would do to your leg.

01:45:44.000 Pedro fucked a lot of people up.

01:45:47.000 Pedro Hizzo was a fucking beast back in the day.

01:45:50.000 I've seen a lot of people get fucked up in the gym.

01:45:52.000 I just don't release it.

01:45:53.000 I got a lot of footage that I can't ever embarrass people.

01:45:57.000 And that's the thing.

01:45:58.000 I appreciate all the fighters that have let me document their lives because they trusted me with the intimate parts of their lives.

01:46:05.000 I'm getting invited around these guys.

01:46:07.000 Kids, they wives.

01:46:08.000 Like, you just don't do that.

01:46:10.000 Right.

01:46:10.000 So that's the respect level they've given me to where they trust me that I'm doing well with the story.

01:46:15.000 So I appreciate all that.

01:46:17.000 You have to take care of that.

01:46:18.000 Yeah, you have to hone it.

01:46:19.000 Listen, when I first used to come into the gym with Hoofnim at the Black Zillions...

01:46:24.000 I remember Hoof was like, who the fuck is you?

01:46:26.000 Who are you?

01:46:27.000 Like, what are you doing here, right?

01:46:30.000 Like, you have to gain that.

01:46:31.000 Like, I get so many fans be like, hey, do you think I could be with you at a fight week?

01:46:37.000 And I'm thinking like...

01:46:39.000 No, man, you have to build your way to distrust.

01:46:42.000 These managers have to trust you.

01:46:45.000 The gyms have to trust you.

01:46:46.000 These coaches have to trust you.

01:46:48.000 Some people are real picky about what you film.

01:46:51.000 Maybe it's one week after the fight.

01:46:54.000 They know a lot of people watching your channel now.

01:46:55.000 We can't release.

01:46:56.000 That's how it was when Cejudo fought Marlon.

01:47:00.000 I had released a snippet of the episode that I was going to release.

01:47:04.000 And it was like they was on the opposite sides of the cage at the gym and it was like fight and then he came out exactly the way he was going to come out with Marlon.

01:47:13.000 But I wasn't paying attention.

01:47:14.000 It was slow motion.

01:47:15.000 He was just coming out.

01:47:16.000 So Cejudo freaking out.

01:47:19.000 Fight week.

01:47:19.000 He like, bro, did you post this yet?

01:47:21.000 I'm like, no.

01:47:22.000 He's like, man, you got to take that down because that's exactly what I'm doing with Marlon.

01:47:25.000 And I was like, oh, man.

01:47:27.000 What was he doing that was so unusual?

01:47:28.000 You know, like, as soon as the fight started, he was going to come out in a certain stance.

01:47:32.000 He was going to come out in a certain stance, like a little, you know, his little karate style?

01:47:35.000 Yeah.

01:47:35.000 And then he was going to actually do, I don't know what it was, but he was freaking out, and I was just like.

01:47:40.000 The thing about Marlon is, Marlon is a giant 135. Yeah.

01:47:45.000 I mean, Marlon is so big.

01:47:47.000 I don't know how much weight he cuts, but I know that California won't let him fight 135 again.

01:47:50.000 Because California has that rule where you can't hydrate more than, I think it's 10% or 10%.

01:47:56.000 So you can't blow back up.

01:47:58.000 You can't blow back up.

01:47:59.000 So he did blow back up in a fight, and California said, no more 135 for you.

01:48:03.000 So it's very obvious that he's cutting a tremendous amount of weight.

01:48:06.000 He's huge.

01:48:07.000 He's built like a comic book character.

01:48:08.000 Yeah, he is.

01:48:09.000 So I think that he cut way too much weight.

01:48:11.000 And I think that that contributes to his demise in the second round.

01:48:15.000 Because he couldn't take Henry out.

01:48:17.000 Henry was locked on with the knees.

01:48:19.000 The knees.

01:48:20.000 I was like, it's ten knees in a row.

01:48:22.000 Well, it was ridiculous.

01:48:22.000 And he let him clinch with him like that in a way that you don't do unless you're tired.

01:48:27.000 And I think he compromises himself.

01:48:30.000 I think there's two things going on.

01:48:31.000 One, I think Henry has a force of will that very few human beings could ever possibly understand.

01:48:37.000 Henry has a self-belief and just a stainless steel will.

01:48:43.000 That motherfucker just puts it on you.

01:48:45.000 And I think Marlon outclassed him in that first round, but I don't think it's sustainable.

01:48:50.000 I don't think he can keep that pace with that dehydration level and with what he's doing to his body to make 135 pounds.

01:48:57.000 I think he cripples him.

01:48:58.000 So where does the division go now since Henry's out?

01:49:00.000 Here's the problem.

01:49:01.000 If he goes to 145, right, if Marlon goes to 145, then he doesn't maintain the same advantages that he has in cutting all that weight.

01:49:08.000 Then he's the size of these guys.

01:49:11.000 Okay, so he goes to 145. Just think about guys like Calvin Cater that can flatline you, and he's tall and long, and that shit is not going to work on him the way it works on those 135-pound guys.

01:49:24.000 It's a different world.

01:49:25.000 You got Jose Aldo.

01:49:27.000 You got Max Holloway who's walking around at 180 and getting down to 145. That's his teammate though.

01:49:33.000 What's that?

01:49:34.000 Zabit.

01:49:34.000 Zabit, yeah.

01:49:35.000 Oh my God, man.

01:49:36.000 Zabit is a motherfucker.

01:49:37.000 That's a Shaolin Monk.

01:49:39.000 Woo!

01:49:39.000 He's amazing.

01:49:40.000 They're going to make a movie of him.

01:49:42.000 He's another Dagestan guy.

01:49:42.000 They're going to make a movie of him.

01:49:43.000 Of Zabit?

01:49:44.000 Yeah.

01:49:44.000 He got a crazy story.

01:49:46.000 Yeah?

01:49:46.000 Like Shaolin Monk type stuff.

01:49:48.000 Sent him off as a kid type thing.

01:49:50.000 Really?

01:49:51.000 Yeah.

01:49:52.000 Listen, Zabit.

01:49:54.000 I've never seen nothing like Zabit.

01:49:56.000 He's super technical.

01:49:56.000 Filming him and training him.

01:49:58.000 His English is getting better, too.

01:49:59.000 It is getting better.

01:50:00.000 That's a good thing for him.

01:50:02.000 I think he's the next...

01:50:05.000 Man, there's so many stars brewing in Dagestan.

01:50:08.000 There's just so many of them over there, man.

01:50:10.000 Oh, sure.

01:50:11.000 If they have that mentality and they're that tough, I mean, that breeds more people like that.

01:50:17.000 Killers breed killers.

01:50:19.000 You look at gyms like A.K.A., right?

01:50:21.000 You've got Cain Velasquez, Daniel Cormier.

01:50:25.000 Go down the line.

01:50:27.000 Luke Rockhold, John Fitch, Josh Koscheck.

01:50:30.000 How many fucking killers have come out of that gym?

01:50:32.000 You've got to see...

01:50:34.000 Khabib and them play basketball in Dagestan when I was over there.

01:50:39.000 It's like one of my most popular videos where they play basketball, full hours of basketball, and then train for two hours.

01:50:45.000 No dribbling.

01:50:46.000 But doesn't Khabib have fucked up knees?

01:50:48.000 What do you mean by no dribbling?

01:50:50.000 It's called Dagestan basketball.

01:50:52.000 They just hold on to it?

01:50:53.000 Like rugby basketball.

01:50:54.000 Come on.

01:50:55.000 Look at this.

01:50:56.000 What the fuck am I looking at?

01:50:58.000 It's the craziest thing ever.

01:50:59.000 They just hold on to it?

01:50:59.000 Yes.

01:51:01.000 No.

01:51:02.000 They're trying to wrestle.

01:51:03.000 They're throwing you down like people are getting choked out.

01:51:06.000 It's the craziest thing ever.

01:51:07.000 This is the most ridiculous basketball I've ever seen.

01:51:10.000 Look at Khabib.

01:51:10.000 Khabib, so sorry in basketball.

01:51:12.000 Well, Jamie loves basketball, so this is hilarious to Jamie.

01:51:15.000 This is crazy.

01:51:16.000 White Russian basketball.

01:51:18.000 Yep.

01:51:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:51:19.000 Look at Khabib.

01:51:20.000 What happens when the ball goes down?

01:51:21.000 Oh, they wrestle.

01:51:22.000 Yeah, it gets intense, too.

01:51:24.000 Oh, my God.

01:51:25.000 I played with them once.

01:51:26.000 Why don't they dribble?

01:51:27.000 I have no clue.

01:51:29.000 Look at his dad.

01:51:32.000 And he intense.

01:51:33.000 Two yelling at him.

01:51:34.000 They probably play with a medicine ball.

01:51:36.000 No, they play with a medicine ball.

01:51:38.000 Heavy as hell.

01:51:40.000 That is so ridiculous.

01:51:41.000 Watching people run around and play basketball without dribbling.

01:51:45.000 That is hilarious.

01:51:47.000 Look at Khabib.

01:51:47.000 Look.

01:51:48.000 Khabib scored.

01:51:49.000 Look.

01:51:49.000 Look, he looked at me.

01:51:50.000 He pointed to me.

01:51:51.000 He pointed to me like you're happy.

01:51:52.000 Bitch, you traveled.

01:51:54.000 This is not real.

01:51:56.000 And they play for hours.

01:51:57.000 That's so crazy.

01:51:58.000 And then they're like, oh, it's time to train.

01:52:00.000 It's time to train now.

01:52:01.000 So that's their warm-up?

01:52:02.000 Yeah.

01:52:03.000 That's the gym Khabib trains in right there.

01:52:05.000 Wow.

01:52:05.000 That's it.

01:52:05.000 That floor.

01:52:06.000 Yep.

01:52:06.000 Right there.

01:52:07.000 Wow.

01:52:07.000 That's crazy.

01:52:08.000 Look at these guys.

01:52:09.000 Look.

01:52:10.000 The fact that they play a different version of basketball.

01:52:15.000 Yeah.

01:52:16.000 Did he just get KO'd?

01:52:17.000 What happened there?

01:52:19.000 At the end of this, Khabib is going to choke somebody out.

01:52:22.000 Really?

01:52:23.000 Yeah, it's crazy, man.

01:52:24.000 And they run on the mats with their shoes on?

01:52:27.000 These motherfuckers are going to get staffed.

01:52:29.000 Look, look, look, look.

01:52:31.000 Look at Khabib.

01:52:32.000 What is happening here?

01:52:33.000 This is so ridiculous.

01:52:35.000 Looks like a running back.

01:52:37.000 Looks like they're playing rugby.

01:52:38.000 Yeah, it's like rugby basketball.

01:52:39.000 That's what I called it.

01:52:40.000 But they call it a different thing in Dagestan that I found out.

01:52:43.000 What do they call it?

01:52:44.000 It's something, man.

01:52:45.000 It's like Australian rules football, right?

01:52:47.000 Like Dagestan rules basketball.

01:52:49.000 Yeah, literally.

01:52:49.000 And I play with them.

01:52:50.000 And my knee was swelled for two days in Dagestan.

01:52:54.000 Because they tackled you?

01:52:55.000 Oh, they was killing me.

01:52:58.000 Did you try to dribble or did you just play their way?

01:53:01.000 I was scoring and everything, but when my knee started hurting, Khabib was like, brother, you too big to be sorry.

01:53:09.000 I was like, hey, I can't move, bro.

01:53:11.000 What is wrong with you?

01:53:12.000 You twisted your knee?

01:53:13.000 Yeah, they was all arguing about picking me up.

01:53:16.000 Remember that when I dunked on Khabib?

01:53:17.000 I sent you that image of me dunking on Khabib?

01:53:20.000 Yes.

01:53:20.000 Like he was trying to guard me?

01:53:21.000 Yes.

01:53:21.000 They really wanted to pick me up then.

01:53:23.000 It was like, oh, we getting him.

01:53:24.000 So I'm thinking it was going to be easy.

01:53:26.000 I'm going to just hold the ball up and jump.

01:53:28.000 Boy, they was taking my knees out.

01:53:29.000 Oh, no.

01:53:30.000 They was taking it easy on each other until they saw the black dude...

01:53:34.000 When they saw the black dude play, they was like, oh, we're really not about to...

01:53:38.000 A guy who actually had the potential to play professionally.

01:53:41.000 Yeah, and they go on crazy.

01:53:42.000 Look at this.

01:53:42.000 This is hilarious.

01:53:44.000 This is such a weird way of playing basketball.

01:53:48.000 That's fun.

01:53:49.000 Look.

01:53:50.000 The ball's dead every time it hits the ground.

01:53:52.000 It's got no bounce.

01:53:53.000 Or the floor is dead or something.

01:53:55.000 He dimed him though.

01:53:56.000 Well, it looks like the floor is a regular basketball floor.

01:53:58.000 It is.

01:53:58.000 Look how happy they are.

01:53:59.000 Look at his dad.

01:54:00.000 Like that.

01:54:02.000 Look at this running with the fucking ball like this.

01:54:04.000 It's hilarious.

01:54:05.000 And this is slow motion.

01:54:05.000 So you see, look.

01:54:06.000 Push you out of bounds.

01:54:07.000 They do all that.

01:54:08.000 They did that to me a couple times.

01:54:09.000 But they run on that fucking mat.

01:54:11.000 Look at this.

01:54:13.000 Watch this.

01:54:13.000 Look at this.

01:54:13.000 Here it is right here.

01:54:14.000 Watch this.

01:54:17.000 Look.

01:54:18.000 Look.

01:54:18.000 Khabib ain't stopping.

01:54:20.000 So he's wrestling with this dude?

01:54:23.000 Why is he doing that?

01:54:24.000 Because to hold him down.

01:54:25.000 Like, now they're wrestling, wrestling.

01:54:26.000 Look, Khabib ain't stopping.

01:54:28.000 And they're doing it on the mat.

01:54:29.000 Look, Khabib is a madman.

01:54:33.000 Oh my God, he's taking his back.

01:54:34.000 He's choking him out.

01:54:36.000 He's hitting a tap.

01:54:38.000 That is crazy.

01:54:39.000 So they wrestle while they're playing basketball?

01:54:41.000 Yes, they will tackle you down.

01:54:42.000 So there's no rules.

01:54:43.000 No rules.

01:54:44.000 That is hilarious.

01:54:45.000 Look, it's still going on.

01:54:46.000 Oh my God, he's on top.

01:54:47.000 The guy tapped already.

01:54:48.000 Look.

01:54:49.000 And now he's got him in an arm bar.

01:54:50.000 Good.

01:54:51.000 But the guy already tapped!

01:54:53.000 Oh man, this will bring back memories.

01:54:54.000 But wait a minute.

01:54:56.000 People trying to get Khabib off him?

01:54:58.000 Yeah.

01:54:58.000 His teammates is because you free up another opponent so you can play.

01:55:03.000 Look at Khabib, look at Khabib.

01:55:05.000 That is hilarious.

01:55:05.000 He thought he was Dr. J right there.

01:55:07.000 He thought he was Dr. J right there.

01:55:09.000 The sky hook.

01:55:10.000 Oh man.

01:55:11.000 It's crazy seeing MMA fighters playing basketball.

01:55:14.000 That's the worst thing ever.

01:55:15.000 This is not basketball though.

01:55:16.000 This is something different.

01:55:17.000 I mean, when you're not ever dribbling.

01:55:20.000 Did you see the video of Francis trying to, he paid an homage to Zion Williamson?

01:55:24.000 And then he was out there shooting basketballs?

01:55:25.000 ESPN just did it?

01:55:27.000 Bro, Francis is the worst athlete.

01:55:29.000 He's not an athlete, bro.

01:55:30.000 I'm sorry.

01:55:31.000 If you can't, if you're 6'5 and can't dunk a basketball.

01:55:36.000 Well, don't you remember when Mike Tyson was in his prime?

01:55:38.000 Remember when you seen that basketball with the overalls?

01:55:40.000 With the overalls?

01:55:42.000 Oh my.

01:55:43.000 Well, it's just he's got dedication to one thing.

01:55:45.000 One thing.

01:55:46.000 That's the thing.

01:55:47.000 Oh, my God.

01:55:49.000 Look, look, look, look.

01:55:53.000 He's laughing though.

01:55:54.000 That's probably the first time he ever tried to do that.

01:55:56.000 Man, and he will punch you a pinky and your soul will come out your body.

01:56:00.000 He hits so fucking hard.

01:56:02.000 When he hit Alistair, there's another kickboxer who made it big in MMA, right?

01:56:06.000 Alistair over him.

01:56:07.000 But Alistair was like a real...

01:56:08.000 Alistair's very, very well-rounded.

01:56:10.000 He's not just a kickboxer, but K-1 Grand Prix champion.

01:56:14.000 You gotta call him a kickboxer.

01:56:15.000 But when he hit Alistair with that left hook...

01:56:18.000 I was like, Jesus Christ.

01:56:20.000 I saw it the other day.

01:56:21.000 They did a free fight.

01:56:22.000 They did a free fight on UFC Channel.

01:56:25.000 And I just watched it over and over and over.

01:56:28.000 And I was like, Dan, it was the follow through punch.

01:56:31.000 I was like, that's the scariest moment I ever had.

01:56:35.000 I wouldn't say scariest, but the most intimidating moment I ever had.

01:56:39.000 I was filming Francis eating a banana and he didn't like it.

01:56:42.000 He didn't like you filming him?

01:56:43.000 I was in the elevator with him and Uzman.

01:56:45.000 We was in Pittsburgh when we did UFC Pittsburgh when Rocco fought David Branch back then.

01:56:50.000 And Francis came to support Camaro.

01:56:53.000 So they're going to do jiu-jitsu in a little workout room and Francis is like talking to Uzman opening in a banana.

01:57:00.000 And I'm like, he put the banana in his mouth and he started eating it.

01:57:03.000 And I'm filming and he looked, hey, hey.

01:57:05.000 He like slapped the camera away.

01:57:06.000 That was my boy though.

01:57:07.000 Francis was my boy.

01:57:08.000 But that was before I really knew him.

01:57:10.000 Why are you filming him eating?

01:57:11.000 Yeah.

01:57:12.000 Maybe he just didn't, you know, men with bananas in their mouth they might not like.

01:57:17.000 The banana in the tailpipe.

01:57:21.000 That was funny.

01:57:22.000 Francis is intimidating, man.

01:57:23.000 Oh, he's terrifying.

01:57:24.000 When he clipped Cain Velasquez, there it is.

01:57:26.000 There's that uppercut.

01:57:27.000 It's like an uppercut left hook.

01:57:29.000 Like a shovel hook.

01:57:30.000 Look at this.

01:57:31.000 Boom!

01:57:33.000 Right before that, his swagger, he had the confidence bouncing his shoulders like he was ready to...

01:57:38.000 He believed he was the greatest in the world.

01:57:40.000 And that Stipe fight changed his fucking trajectory, man.

01:57:43.000 It really did.

01:57:44.000 Changed his life, huh?

01:57:45.000 That's a really interesting fight because Stipe was a real champion.

01:57:48.000 You know what's crazy?

01:57:48.000 I was in a room next to Francis in Boston.

01:57:52.000 And he never went to sleep.

01:57:54.000 And I had my door open.

01:57:56.000 So my room was right next to Francis.

01:57:59.000 And I had my door open because I was like, if fighters come by, I'm going to just catch them with a camera.

01:58:05.000 You just kept your door open?

01:58:06.000 I kept, in the middle of the night, editing.

01:58:07.000 Because that's, you know, during Fight Week, you know how Embedded releases day series?

01:58:10.000 Yeah.

01:58:11.000 I'm filming all of these fighters and then I'm going back up to my room and I'm editing.

01:58:15.000 But I'm already editing in my head.

01:58:16.000 That's how I'm able to get stuff out.

01:58:18.000 What program are you editing with?

01:58:19.000 Premiere now.

01:58:20.000 Premiere.

01:58:20.000 And you're just doing it, just slapping it up as quick as you can.

01:58:23.000 But see, my method when I film is I'm already knowing what I'm going to use.

01:58:26.000 Okay, so you're making your cuts.

01:58:27.000 I know the opening shot.

01:58:28.000 I know everything.

01:58:29.000 Are you writing all this stuff down?

01:58:30.000 No, I keep it in my head.

01:58:32.000 And people be like, how can you edit and release it that fast?

01:58:35.000 It's like, it's already done before I go to my room.

01:58:37.000 I just have to go up there and put it together.

01:58:40.000 Music, everything.

01:58:41.000 I'm able to just, I don't know how I'm able to do it.

01:58:43.000 It's just something natural I've been doing for years.

01:58:45.000 Well, obviously you have a deep.

01:58:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:47.000 And I've developed a skill set.

01:58:48.000 It's easy.

01:58:49.000 They always say, well, you put in 10,000 hours and some of you become an expert.

01:58:53.000 I feel like I put in my 10,000 hours doing all types of different types of shoots to survive.

01:58:59.000 And now this is my arena.

01:59:02.000 This is my big stage.

01:59:03.000 But I remember that week, Francis never went to sleep.

01:59:06.000 I'd be like, bro, go to sleep.

01:59:07.000 What are you doing with your door open?

01:59:11.000 Trying to catch you.

01:59:12.000 And then he'd come in, sit on the bed, and look at what I was editing.

01:59:15.000 Because obviously I was filming him as well.

01:59:18.000 And it was just funny.

01:59:19.000 Just those type of memories.

01:59:21.000 What time was it?

01:59:22.000 He never went to sleep all night?

01:59:24.000 Well, you know, you get there Monday, Tuesday, Friday, Saturday.

01:59:27.000 So it may be Wednesday and you're still up at 3 in the morning.

01:59:30.000 Because you fighting late.

01:59:31.000 No, because think about it.

01:59:32.000 Think about it.

01:59:33.000 The last fight is at what time?

01:59:35.000 10 o'clock.

01:59:35.000 Yeah.

01:59:36.000 9 o'clock.

01:59:37.000 Well, LA time.

01:59:38.000 Boston time.

01:59:39.000 Midnight.

01:59:40.000 Yeah, midnight.

01:59:40.000 Yeah, so he up because he can't go to sleep early because he got to fight.

01:59:44.000 And that's one thing I discovered about the fight game.

01:59:47.000 Like, damn, that does make sense.

01:59:48.000 You're fighting at 11 p.m.

01:59:50.000 Yeah, you want to keep yourself on that side.

01:59:52.000 So he's just walking around the hallways.

01:59:53.000 Big-ass Francis in Boston.

01:59:55.000 Yeah.

01:59:56.000 Crazy.

01:59:57.000 It's like looking back on that stuff and it's like, man, I've captured a lot of stuff already.

02:00:03.000 What's crazy is with him, you watch him and then this next fight against Derek Lewis and neither one of them threw anything.

02:00:09.000 Derek had a fucked up back.

02:00:11.000 He really probably shouldn't even be fighting.

02:00:14.000 Nobody wanted to do anything.

02:00:15.000 That fight was terrible.

02:00:16.000 Oh my god, I watched it.

02:00:18.000 The fact that Artem beat him in a boxing match.

02:00:21.000 It shouldn't have been even no contest.

02:00:22.000 But Pauly's never had power.

02:00:24.000 He's never been a powerful guy.

02:00:25.000 And them hands is brittle.

02:00:26.000 You know them hands is brittle.

02:00:27.000 Yeah.

02:00:27.000 But he's also, he's never been a guy that can just...

02:00:30.000 Keep you off.

02:00:30.000 Connor really beat the hell out of him.

02:00:32.000 I firmly believe it now.

02:00:33.000 You think so?

02:00:34.000 Yeah, I don't...

02:00:35.000 Like, after watching that...

02:00:36.000 Well, also after watching Pauly's examination of that fight afterwards, you're like, wait a minute, you thought you lost?

02:00:42.000 You mean you thought you won a decision?

02:00:43.000 You thought you got a shit decision?

02:00:45.000 Like, you didn't do anything.

02:00:46.000 Nah.

02:00:47.000 Connor's...

02:00:47.000 What you think Connor gonna do?

02:00:49.000 Whatever he wants.

02:00:50.000 Probably do a lot of coke.

02:00:51.000 Mm-hmm.

02:00:52.000 You know what's crazy?

02:00:53.000 I'm just kidding.

02:00:54.000 I think he's going to have some fun, man.

02:00:56.000 If he finds a fight that's fun, he's got $100 million in the bank.

02:01:00.000 If he finds a fight that's fun, he's going to do it.

02:01:03.000 The problem with him is they wanted him to do cowboy, and there was some talk about him doing a cowboy fight, but he wanted it to be a main event.

02:01:10.000 The UFC wants main events to all be big time championship fights.

02:01:14.000 Anything Conor do is big time.

02:01:15.000 That's what I said!

02:01:17.000 But they think that somehow or another having no championship title on the line, it wouldn't be that valuable.

02:01:21.000 I would love to spend a day in a life with Dana White.

02:01:24.000 Well, Justin Gate...

02:01:25.000 I don't think he'd let you do that.

02:01:27.000 You don't think so?

02:01:27.000 Conflict of interest?

02:01:28.000 Yeah.

02:01:29.000 Because they've got their own thing.

02:01:31.000 They've got UFC embedded.

02:01:32.000 That sucks, because I really want to do the anatomy of Dana White, just hanging out with him for a day.

02:01:35.000 Maybe.

02:01:36.000 Who knows?

02:01:37.000 Maybe it would help Embedded and maybe it would help the Tuesday Night Contender series.

02:01:41.000 It would help pump that up.

02:01:42.000 Eric Albarison said the perfect thing.

02:01:44.000 He said, why would the UFC be worried about you?

02:01:46.000 You like a lemonade stand and they Coca-Cola.

02:01:49.000 Well, I think that way, but some people don't.

02:01:52.000 Some people don't want to help other things get going.

02:01:55.000 But I'm promoting them.

02:01:56.000 But what if you stop promoting them and just really concentrate on Bellator and the channel's gigantic now because you did so much UFC content.

02:02:02.000 That's true.

02:02:02.000 That's how people look at things.

02:02:04.000 Well, you know, my first idea was to tell the UFC, let me just film all the fighters.

02:02:09.000 Y'all not going to promote this fight week.

02:02:11.000 So embedded is 10 other fighters.

02:02:13.000 Let anatomy and fighter get them.

02:02:14.000 Give me a credential and let me just film them all week.

02:02:17.000 So I'm around film these fighters that y'all never going to post.

02:02:20.000 What did they say about that?

02:02:22.000 Not interested.

02:02:23.000 Nah, I didn't get a not interested, but I don't know.

02:02:26.000 It's weird because I... Much love to the UFC because they give me a lot of access and I love every single person over there.

02:02:33.000 Like Dean Klein and Heidi Dean.

02:02:35.000 All those people, I love them.

02:02:37.000 They treat me like an annoying cousin.

02:02:39.000 They're great people.

02:02:40.000 I'm an annoying cousin when I'm at Fight Week.

02:02:42.000 And that's the thing.

02:02:43.000 I haven't been to a lot of Fight Weeks, but it seems like people think I go to every Fight Week and it's like, I only go to ones I can afford...

02:02:51.000 Or they make sense?

02:02:52.000 Like, if I had the funds, I'd be at every Fight Week filming.

02:02:55.000 Are you going to be in Vegas for the John Jones, Tiago Santos fight?

02:02:58.000 Yeah, because I'm nominated for an award against you.

02:03:01.000 Oh, really?

02:03:01.000 For what?

02:03:02.000 The World MMA Awards.

02:03:03.000 What's the award?

02:03:03.000 Best MMA Programming.

02:03:08.000 WorldMMAawards.com.

02:03:08.000 Oh, for the JRE MMA show?

02:03:10.000 Yeah.

02:03:10.000 Now you're on it.

02:03:11.000 How crazy is that?

02:03:12.000 I know, that's so weird.

02:03:14.000 That is so weird.

02:03:14.000 I told you, Confessions of an Online Data was the way I thought I was going to end up on here.

02:03:18.000 Well, I hope you win.

02:03:20.000 I won a bunch of those MMA awards.

02:03:23.000 It's me, you, and Bet It, Dana White's Tuesday Contender Series, and then MMA Hour.

02:03:30.000 I hope you win.

02:03:31.000 Against me.

02:03:32.000 How about that?

02:03:33.000 That'd be a...

02:03:34.000 That'd be...

02:03:34.000 I'd smoke weed if I did.

02:03:38.000 I'll be like, I'm done, I'm done.

02:03:39.000 Listen, I understand your reluctance to smoke weed.

02:03:42.000 I smoked weed maybe five, six times until I was 30 years old.

02:03:46.000 Like a handful of times, ever.

02:03:48.000 Like a couple times in high school, you know, a couple times afterwards at parties.

02:03:53.000 I get it.

02:03:54.000 I mean, I get it, the whole personality thing.

02:03:56.000 When I was 30 years old, that's when I started smoking, like really started smoking weed.

02:04:00.000 And I don't think...

02:04:01.000 I don't think anybody should do anything if they have an obsessive personality and they're worried about getting locked into it.

02:04:08.000 I mean, I don't think you should drink.

02:04:09.000 But if you can handle it, a little bit of weed, I think, opens up these doorways of creativity.

02:04:17.000 And I think that it's very valuable.

02:04:19.000 I told you, that's what Cowboy told me.

02:04:20.000 Cowboy told me.

02:04:21.000 About mushrooms.

02:04:23.000 Mushrooms as well.

02:04:24.000 I think psychedelic drugs, whether they're marijuana or mushrooms, they're tools.

02:04:32.000 And the way I've always described it is, like, you could take a tool and you could build a house with it, right?

02:04:36.000 You could take a hammer and you could build a beautiful deck.

02:04:38.000 Or you could just hit yourself in the dick if you're fucking crazy.

02:04:41.000 True.

02:04:41.000 You could abuse a tool.

02:04:43.000 But it doesn't mean the tool's bad.

02:04:45.000 It means the application's bad.

02:04:47.000 And you don't give a hammer to a two-year-old, right?

02:04:50.000 You don't give a little kid weed and tell him to smoke it every day.

02:04:52.000 But I think for a grown adult, it's good to participate in something that gives you an altered state of consciousness because it allows you to look at yourself in a fresh way.

02:05:02.000 And for someone who's always like...

02:05:06.000 Yeah.

02:05:10.000 Yeah.

02:05:30.000 It's hard for you to look at yourself to find the things that you're doing wrong.

02:05:34.000 So if you can't find the things that you're doing wrong, it's very difficult to grow.

02:05:38.000 So a lot of people call that paranoia, that effect that marijuana produces.

02:05:43.000 I don't like smoking pot, man.

02:05:44.000 It makes me paranoid.

02:05:45.000 That paranoia, I think, is awareness.

02:05:47.000 And I think you close those doors of awareness in order to get through your life.

02:05:51.000 But the subconscious is always aware of these things.

02:05:55.000 The subconscious is always aware of these things that are fucking with you.

02:05:58.000 Marijuana just finds all the problems and just turns the lights on.

02:06:01.000 So if I move to Denver, I'll probably end up smoking weed.

02:06:04.000 Everybody's smoking weed.

02:06:04.000 If you do it, just a little.

02:06:06.000 What about an edible?

02:06:08.000 Edibles, careful.

02:06:09.000 I heard like a cookie.

02:06:11.000 They'll fuck you up.

02:06:12.000 I heard a cookie will destroy you.

02:06:14.000 I got some cookies that'll put you on the moon.

02:06:16.000 Rashad Evans, that's like my big brother.

02:06:18.000 He always told me about the toad.

02:06:20.000 Oh, 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine.

02:06:23.000 Yeah.

02:06:23.000 Yeah, that'll fuck you up too.

02:06:25.000 Oh, he's done that now, right?

02:06:26.000 He said, yeah, you can go into another dimension.

02:06:28.000 Oh, you literally can.

02:06:29.000 I might be the president of the United States in the other dimension.

02:06:33.000 Who knows?

02:06:34.000 Well, there's no United States in that other dimension.

02:06:37.000 There's no states.

02:06:38.000 There's no people.

02:06:39.000 There's souls.

02:06:40.000 Oh.

02:06:40.000 Go into like a well of souls.

02:06:42.000 That's crazy.

02:06:44.000 Disembodied entities.

02:06:46.000 The toad.

02:06:46.000 I remember when I kept...

02:06:47.000 What the hell is you talking about?

02:06:48.000 The toad.

02:06:49.000 The toad.

02:06:49.000 Nobody gets it from a toad though.

02:06:51.000 They're really...

02:06:51.000 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine they get usually from laboratories.

02:06:55.000 And so they synthesize with a bunch of precursors.

02:06:58.000 But the...

02:06:59.000 The other one, NN-dimethyltryptamine, is the one we see the visuals.

02:07:04.000 Really?

02:07:04.000 Yeah.

02:07:04.000 And how long it lasts?

02:07:06.000 15 minutes, unless you eat it.

02:07:08.000 If you eat it with ayahuasca.

02:07:09.000 What if you did it in a float tank?

02:07:10.000 You could do that.

02:07:12.000 You'd have to do it quick.

02:07:13.000 Have you seen the float tank here?

02:07:15.000 Yeah, remember?

02:07:16.000 Oh, that's right.

02:07:17.000 Have you done it yet?

02:07:18.000 Nope.

02:07:19.000 You've got to.

02:07:20.000 I've seen how expensive it was online.

02:07:22.000 How expensive?

02:07:23.000 I've seen some.

02:07:24.000 Oh, to buy one?

02:07:25.000 Buy one.

02:07:26.000 There's the float lab.

02:07:28.000 They have a place in Westwood.

02:07:30.000 They have a place in Venice.

02:07:32.000 And then there's a giant place that opened up in Pasadena that uses all the float labs.

02:07:36.000 What was the name of that place again?

02:07:37.000 Justin.

02:07:38.000 Just Float.

02:07:39.000 And that place has...

02:07:40.000 That is the biggest float establishment on earth.

02:07:43.000 And you do it for how long?

02:07:44.000 Well, last night I did two hours.

02:07:47.000 Damn.

02:07:47.000 I like two hours.

02:07:49.000 Yeah.

02:07:49.000 I like to just get in there and find out what the fuck's up.

02:07:54.000 When I was with Chito Verda the other day, one of his teammates did it for like an hour, and he was just like...

02:08:01.000 I didn't know where I was.

02:08:03.000 Was I asleep in a dream?

02:08:05.000 It was just crazy.

02:08:07.000 You're disembodied.

02:08:08.000 You know Charlemagne.

02:08:09.000 Charlemagne the God.

02:08:09.000 He was on last week and we were talking about it because he's doing this whole mental wellness retreat sort of center.

02:08:16.000 He's establishing these mental wellness centers.

02:08:19.000 He is?

02:08:20.000 Yes, he is.

02:08:21.000 Because Charlemagne, his new book, Shook One, is all about his anxiety, his issues with anxiety.

02:08:29.000 And, you know, anything that allows you to relax and just center yourself can help you with anxiety.

02:08:36.000 And, you know, that's one of the things that he said about the tank was that he's never felt stillness like that.

02:08:43.000 That's crazy.

02:08:44.000 Yeah.

02:08:44.000 Because you're not feeling your body.

02:08:46.000 You know, your body is just...

02:08:47.000 You can try it right now if you want.

02:08:49.000 He had a crazy life.

02:08:51.000 Yeah, he had a crazy life.

02:08:52.000 Yeah, he had a crazy life.

02:08:53.000 And also, like I said to him about...

02:08:55.000 He's the last samurai in terms of radio.

02:08:58.000 Radio is a dying industry.

02:09:00.000 He's the last guy, I think, to get famous off of radio.

02:09:03.000 Yeah, that's...

02:09:04.000 Charlamagne Tha God is...

02:09:05.000 I saw a little bit of it and I remember he said that he was literally...

02:09:09.000 He got fired at 31. He was 31, no job.

02:09:12.000 With a two-year-old.

02:09:13.000 And that's what...

02:09:13.000 That stuff is inspiring because people be...

02:09:16.000 I wasn't unemployed at...

02:09:18.000 I was like 29 when I was lost and then I was turning 30 and that's when I got my shit together.

02:09:24.000 So...

02:09:25.000 To hear Charlemagne and God say, I was 31, I had a kid, and I was no job.

02:09:30.000 I think so many people in life are so obsessed with getting somewhere fast.

02:09:34.000 And I understand it takes time.

02:09:36.000 And just to see somebody like that be open enough to say, I was at a low moment in my life.

02:09:42.000 Like...

02:09:43.000 At my age now, I used to think when I was 25, 37 was young or old.

02:09:48.000 Old as fuck.

02:09:49.000 You're young as hell.

02:09:50.000 You're not old at 37 no more.

02:09:52.000 Yeah.

02:09:52.000 You've never been.

02:09:53.000 Especially if you're a healthy 37. Yeah.

02:09:56.000 When we were kids, our parents, by the time they were 37, they're working 12 hours a day and they're exhausted.

02:10:01.000 They felt 50. They probably felt a lot older than that.

02:10:02.000 They felt 50. I mean, thank God to the internet.

02:10:05.000 I mean, because if it wasn't for the internet...

02:10:07.000 I wouldn't be able to put up these amazing videos.

02:10:10.000 I would have to go work for one of these companies.

02:10:12.000 Well, it's also the internet allows you to get all this information that allows you to stay healthy.

02:10:16.000 You get a better understanding about diet, nutrition, mental health, relaxation, how important meditation is.

02:10:22.000 You know, and I think one of the other things that Charlamagne did that's very important is he talked openly about anxiety.

02:10:28.000 And he's a famous, cool guy.

02:10:30.000 He's like a famous guy known for his opinions, known for being brash.

02:10:33.000 And for him to say, hey, I've struggled.

02:10:36.000 I've had real mental struggles and mental health struggles.

02:10:39.000 That's a very fragile conversation in the black community.

02:10:45.000 Mental health issues and anxiety and things like that.

02:10:50.000 People don't want to admit it.

02:10:51.000 Right.

02:10:51.000 Because you want to be machismo, tough it out.

02:10:54.000 Yeah, you want to feel brave.

02:10:56.000 And for me, man, I felt...

02:10:59.000 Hopeless and defeat many times in my life.

02:11:02.000 Sure, me too.

02:11:02.000 And luckily for me, sometimes I say, damn, I don't have kids.

02:11:06.000 Luckily, I've been able to figure it out on my own without having a responsibility to take care of somebody, right?

02:11:13.000 So I've been lucky in that sense where I haven't had a child, a son, a daughter.

02:11:19.000 And that gives me youth.

02:11:21.000 It feels like every day I wake up, I'm like, I can do what I want to do because the only person I'm responsible for is me.

02:11:27.000 Yeah.

02:11:27.000 And that gives me the freedom to be a gypsy.

02:11:29.000 I couldn't be a gypsy if I had it.

02:11:31.000 No, not the life that you have.

02:11:33.000 Nah.

02:11:33.000 But you know what?

02:11:34.000 If you had a kid, you would just alter that life and you would take great comfort in the fact that you love someone deeply, like a child.

02:11:42.000 It's a crazy thing, the love you have for children.

02:11:45.000 It changes people's lives.

02:11:47.000 It changes who you are.

02:11:50.000 When he had his daughter, when he's carrying his daughter in a cage, it's so hard for me not to cry.

02:11:55.000 It's so hard for me not to cry when people win and they start thanking their mom or their parents hug them.

02:12:01.000 It's like when he was holding his daughter up, I'm like, oh, Jesus, here it comes.

02:12:05.000 I'm just trying to fight it back.

02:12:07.000 That was crazy.

02:12:08.000 Listen, man.

02:12:11.000 Remember when he got in trouble for the 30% or people going in on him because he was like, I'm 30%.

02:12:16.000 I was 30%.

02:12:17.000 The thing that I can say about being around these fighters, I see all the injuries and everything and people don't understand what they do in the fight.

02:12:26.000 How about the fact that Usman went into that fight with a broken foot?

02:12:28.000 I know.

02:12:29.000 I've seen it.

02:12:30.000 How crazy is that?

02:12:31.000 He had a broken foot when he fought Tyron motherfucking Woodley and he never stopped coming.

02:12:35.000 Never stopped moving forward.

02:12:37.000 You would never have been able to guess by any stretch of the imagination that he was injured.

02:12:40.000 Yeah.

02:12:41.000 I did because I filmed it all.

02:12:43.000 You knew it.

02:12:43.000 I knew it.

02:12:44.000 I just can't release it.

02:12:46.000 You see what I'm saying?

02:12:47.000 I'm not going to...

02:12:48.000 Now, after the fight, I can say, yeah, he was injured.

02:12:50.000 Right.

02:12:50.000 But I have that on so many fighters.

02:12:52.000 Cejudo, everybody like...

02:12:54.000 Well, how about Cejudo's ankle?

02:12:55.000 I know.

02:12:56.000 How crazy is that?

02:12:57.000 That was crazy.

02:12:57.000 Cejudo's ankle, the week of the fight, was giant black and blue.

02:13:01.000 Completely fucked up.

02:13:02.000 Where he couldn't walk.

02:13:04.000 And then he goes in there and fucks up Marlon Marais.

02:13:06.000 Well...

02:13:08.000 The Khabib-Connor fight, didn't they say he had like a...

02:13:11.000 Connor had something wrong with his foot too.

02:13:13.000 Or Khabib had a problem with his weight cut, I heard.

02:13:16.000 Did he?

02:13:16.000 I think so.

02:13:17.000 It was a bad weight cut.

02:13:18.000 Khabib is so big.

02:13:19.000 He's another guy.

02:13:20.000 He's a mountain man.

02:13:21.000 What is his diet like?

02:13:26.000 It's clean from what I see.

02:13:27.000 But he's had problems making weight in the past.

02:13:29.000 But that was 209. Think about that.

02:13:32.000 How long ago that was.

02:13:33.000 Yeah.

02:13:33.000 UFC 209. Yeah.

02:13:35.000 That was the last time he ever had a problem.

02:13:37.000 But it's, you know, he had problems before that though.

02:13:39.000 Yeah.

02:13:39.000 I didn't know.

02:13:40.000 Yeah.

02:13:40.000 I didn't even know Khabib at 209. Oh, really?

02:13:43.000 Yeah.

02:13:44.000 That was when the first UFC event I ever went to.

02:13:47.000 Does he have a nutritionist?

02:13:50.000 Like in Dagestan?

02:13:52.000 Does he have someone that cooks for him?

02:13:53.000 I don't know.

02:13:55.000 But do you eat with him?

02:13:56.000 Yeah, but that was Ramadan.

02:13:57.000 We was eating all meat and potatoes and I sat with everybody and ate every time.

02:14:02.000 And does he train during Ramadan?

02:14:03.000 Yes, he did.

02:14:04.000 That was the whole Dagestan Chronicles.

02:14:05.000 People couldn't believe it.

02:14:06.000 He trained, trained too.

02:14:08.000 So he trained, trained during the day?

02:14:09.000 Without eating.

02:14:10.000 Without drinking water?

02:14:11.000 Crazy, man.

02:14:12.000 Wow.

02:14:12.000 I'm talking about really hard too.

02:14:16.000 Wow.

02:14:17.000 No drinking water.

02:14:18.000 Yeah, I want to turn that whole series into a movie.

02:14:21.000 I can understand kind of being able to work out like fasted workouts.

02:14:26.000 Nah.

02:14:27.000 But fucking no water?

02:14:28.000 Like training.

02:14:30.000 Jesus Christ.

02:14:31.000 And playing that basketball.

02:14:33.000 Really?

02:14:33.000 Like, with no water, no nothing.

02:14:35.000 That is so crazy.

02:14:36.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:14:38.000 That mental toughness.

02:14:40.000 Like, and then when I've seen a face-off with him and Dustin, because Dustin, I would love to document Dustin because he is a good guy.

02:14:47.000 Um...

02:14:48.000 I thought Dustin was huge when you just see him with everybody else.

02:14:51.000 And then when he did the face-off with Khabib, I'm like, damn, Khabib taller than him.

02:14:55.000 Everything.

02:14:56.000 I'm thinking like, man.

02:14:57.000 He's going to have to keep that guy off him.

02:14:59.000 Khabib is just such a good wrestler.

02:15:01.000 But Ferguson said it perfect.

02:15:03.000 He's going to grab him, put him on the ground, mount him like that dummy and smash him.

02:15:07.000 Now, I'm not a fighter, so I can't say it.

02:15:10.000 But I kind of feel like...

02:15:11.000 I always call Uzman a black Khabib.

02:15:14.000 Because as soon as he grabs you, the fight over.

02:15:15.000 That's how I feel.

02:15:16.000 As soon as he grabs you...

02:15:18.000 It's over.

02:15:19.000 Because you're not going to get away from him anymore.

02:15:21.000 I'm latched to you.

02:15:23.000 But that Damien Maia fight, that referee saved his ass.

02:15:27.000 I know, I was in a locker room.

02:15:28.000 You never know.

02:15:29.000 You never know what would happen.

02:15:31.000 The world could have changed if that referee, whoever the fuck he is, I don't even want to know his name.

02:15:35.000 Last Maia fight, see how he took the back?

02:15:37.000 Yep, that's what he does.

02:15:39.000 Against Lyman Good.

02:15:40.000 That's what he does to everybody, man.

02:15:42.000 And that referee separated them.

02:15:44.000 And I was sick.

02:15:45.000 And Matt Serra went fucking crazy about it.

02:15:48.000 And I was with him.

02:15:49.000 That was a tough one.

02:15:49.000 But you don't do that.

02:15:51.000 I asked Usman.

02:15:51.000 That guy doesn't understand fighting.

02:15:52.000 I said, what would have happened?

02:15:54.000 He said, I would have just held it there the whole time.

02:15:56.000 But you just never know.

02:15:57.000 Well, that's how he lost his first fight.

02:15:58.000 He lost his first fight by getting choked out.

02:16:00.000 I know.

02:16:01.000 You know, this is something that people don't know.

02:16:03.000 So Usman got one fight that he's lost.

02:16:07.000 Kobe Covenant has one fight that he's lost.

02:16:11.000 I'm all about stories.

02:16:12.000 Like the storyline.

02:16:13.000 So the only fight that...

02:16:16.000 Kobe Covington lost to was what?

02:16:18.000 Leon Edwards?

02:16:19.000 Yes.

02:16:19.000 He choked him out, right?

02:16:20.000 Short notice fight that he took in the UFC and he was injured.

02:16:23.000 He had something fucked up with his ribs.

02:16:25.000 So he lost via choke.

02:16:27.000 Yeah.

02:16:28.000 Usman beat Leon Edwards.

02:16:29.000 The guy that Usman lost to early on, Kobe Covington beat.

02:16:33.000 So both of their losses are to people.

02:16:35.000 That's just a weird storyline.

02:16:37.000 Yeah, but that's MMA math.

02:16:38.000 Yeah, I know.

02:16:39.000 But no, I'm not comparing them.

02:16:40.000 I'm just saying that the fact that they both got one loss and they supposedly hate each other and it's two people they've beat.

02:16:47.000 It is crazy how fighters' careers just change.

02:16:50.000 They become a different person.

02:16:51.000 And whoever they are, like, four years ago, you really can't compare them to whoever they are now.

02:16:55.000 The Colby Covington thing is interesting because he really did beat the shit out of Damian Maia.

02:17:00.000 You know, and, you know, he really did beat the shit out of Rafael dos Anjos.

02:17:04.000 I don't know if Damian Maia was three rounds.

02:17:07.000 I feel like it was a main event.

02:17:09.000 You might be right, though.

02:17:10.000 No, it was three rounds.

02:17:10.000 Three rounds.

02:17:11.000 Yeah, because it was in Brazil.

02:17:12.000 Rafael dos Anjos was five rounds.

02:17:12.000 Yeah, that was, yeah.

02:17:14.000 Yeah.

02:17:15.000 But Dos Anjos won two rounds, right?

02:17:18.000 Three to two?

02:17:19.000 Did he?

02:17:19.000 I think on the scorecards.

02:17:21.000 He took them down and everything.

02:17:22.000 Yeah, he did.

02:17:23.000 Not with Camaro.

02:17:24.000 No, it was brutal.

02:17:26.000 That level change that Camaro do, that level threatening to take down, he will piece you up because Henry, who's got his striking, crazy.

02:17:32.000 And it's getting better.

02:17:33.000 Oh, for sure.

02:17:34.000 He did fantastic against Woodley.

02:17:36.000 He had Woodley in real trouble from striking.

02:17:39.000 Yeah.

02:17:40.000 Willie looks good in his comeback trails, though, too.

02:17:43.000 All the training footage that he's doing, he's very dedicated.

02:17:46.000 Willie didn't want me to film him the week of the fight.

02:17:48.000 Why?

02:17:48.000 Just game and shit.

02:17:50.000 Dean Thomas came over to me and said, hey, man, Willie don't want you to film him.

02:17:55.000 It's another distraction.

02:17:56.000 Yeah.

02:17:57.000 And I get it.

02:17:58.000 I get it.

02:17:59.000 I was mad.

02:17:59.000 I was kind of...

02:18:00.000 I wouldn't say mad.

02:18:01.000 I was butthurt because I like Woody.

02:18:02.000 I'm like, come on, man.

02:18:04.000 I've been filming you all week and then all of a sudden, day before the fight, hey.

02:18:07.000 In his head, he doesn't want anything there, you know?

02:18:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:18:10.000 He just wants to...

02:18:11.000 I mean, he had so many distractions.

02:18:13.000 He released a fucking album with Wiz Khalifa.

02:18:16.000 He was touring.

02:18:17.000 He had rap videos, slapping asses.

02:18:19.000 Yeah, and he's doing this fucking TMZ Hollywood shit that he does.

02:18:23.000 He does a lot of shit.

02:18:24.000 But I like that he does a lot of shit because he's recognizing that he's going to have a time outside of fighting.

02:18:30.000 Yeah, you got to have a post life.

02:18:32.000 And he's got a real opportunity to make something happen forever.

02:18:35.000 Yeah.

02:18:36.000 I mean, he's a smart guy.

02:18:37.000 Inspirational guy.

02:18:38.000 Yeah.

02:18:39.000 Listen.

02:18:40.000 I have none, but listen, I love, after the fight with, you know, Willie, mom.

02:18:44.000 That was amazing.

02:18:45.000 I love, I like Willie, his team.

02:18:48.000 His mom, when his mom was talking, me and Usman were both tearing up, because, like, we were talking about it and we played it.

02:18:54.000 I mean, his mom just goes over and embraces Camaro, and Camaro's crying, and, you know, his mom was like, they're coming for you, baby.

02:19:02.000 They're coming for you.

02:19:02.000 You better be prepared for it.

02:19:04.000 Oh, man.

02:19:04.000 Mama Woodley.

02:19:05.000 Look, got tears in your eyes right now.

02:19:08.000 That's the sport, man.

02:19:10.000 The sport is this emotions and soul in this sport.

02:19:14.000 It's not just the winning and losing.

02:19:16.000 It's like your life is on the line.

02:19:18.000 So imagine what I feel when I'm documenting this.

02:19:21.000 You're right next to them.

02:19:22.000 Because say a journalist that got to work for a show, they're reporting, they're interviewing guys.

02:19:28.000 I'm in the gym with these guys every day.

02:19:32.000 I'm literally sweating in the gym with these guys, going with them to eat, going to stay the night, sleeping on their couch.

02:19:40.000 I'm doing all of that stuff to be next to these guys.

02:19:43.000 But you know why you're doing that, Will?

02:19:45.000 Because it's yours.

02:19:46.000 This is all yours.

02:19:48.000 You're doing this.

02:19:49.000 You're not working for some fucking company.

02:19:51.000 You got some asshole producer who's telling you what to do.

02:19:54.000 It wouldn't be the same, man.

02:19:55.000 You wouldn't get that vision.

02:19:57.000 I wouldn't do it.

02:19:57.000 Not only would you not do it, you wouldn't be as motivated, but more importantly, it wouldn't be the singular vision that you get when you know that it's coming from one person.

02:20:07.000 When you know something's coming from one person, you get a feeling.

02:20:11.000 This is Will Harris.

02:20:12.000 He's there.

02:20:13.000 He's filming this.

02:20:14.000 He's editing it.

02:20:14.000 He's putting it together.

02:20:15.000 He's putting it out.

02:20:16.000 Here's the video.

02:20:17.000 That's a beautiful thing about the internet, man.

02:20:19.000 Yeah, it really is.

02:20:20.000 It's amazing.

02:20:21.000 It really is.

02:20:22.000 It doesn't exist in any other media.

02:20:24.000 There's nothing like that.

02:20:25.000 There's nothing like that ever in the history of the world.

02:20:28.000 If you wanted to put out something like you've done, you needed a gang of people behind you.

02:20:32.000 You needed a network.

02:20:33.000 A production company.

02:20:34.000 You need someone to choose you.

02:20:35.000 There's probably four other guys that wanted to do what you're doing.

02:20:37.000 Five other guys.

02:20:38.000 Ten.

02:20:38.000 A dozen.

02:20:39.000 Everybody wants it.

02:20:40.000 And they have to pick you.

02:20:42.000 And then these other guys would be trying to, like, fuck you up from behind.

02:20:45.000 It happens.

02:20:46.000 Yeah.

02:20:46.000 It happens.

02:20:47.000 And that's what I listen.

02:20:48.000 I try to portray that message to every single person that messaged me.

02:20:52.000 This is not easy.

02:20:54.000 Like, it's a lot of sacrifice in this.

02:20:56.000 You have to be willing to put in years to do this.

02:20:59.000 I'm going on two years.

02:21:00.000 And August 14th will be full two years of committing to anatomy of a fighter.

02:21:04.000 And it's a baby stage to me.

02:21:09.000 Because of what I know it can become.

02:21:11.000 Yeah.

02:21:11.000 You can have millions of subscribers.

02:21:13.000 I firmly, firmly believe that.

02:21:14.000 So, to me, I'm like, you know what?

02:21:15.000 I'm not going to stop, no matter what.

02:21:17.000 I'm not going to stop.

02:21:18.000 I want this to be the biggest thing ever.

02:21:19.000 I want a guy that's not even on the radar right now.

02:21:23.000 I want to discover him and then he become a heavyweight champion in the world or a UFC champion or a Bellator champion.

02:21:29.000 And that's the thing that I get out of it all is the fact that...

02:21:34.000 I can just create what I want with whoever.

02:21:37.000 I thought about it the other day.

02:21:39.000 I was like, man, I need to put more women on the channel, women fighters, and promote more women.

02:21:43.000 Because I feel like they don't get promoted as well.

02:21:45.000 I want to get Amanda Nunes.

02:21:48.000 Ashley Yoder, I was supposed to go with her and Dan Henderson in Temecula.

02:21:52.000 I wish I could have got them on.

02:21:53.000 But that's the type of stuff.

02:21:55.000 Because it's the freedom to do it.

02:21:56.000 They don't have to pay me.

02:21:58.000 I just go do it and make it and put it out there.

02:22:01.000 And hopefully somebody latches on and say, we want to be a part of this movement.

02:22:05.000 You need to do something on Valentina Shevchenko.

02:22:08.000 And her sister.

02:22:08.000 They are some beasts.

02:22:10.000 She scares the shit out of me.

02:22:12.000 I just want to film her doing that little dance.

02:22:14.000 I know.

02:22:14.000 It's crazy, right?

02:22:15.000 That fucking head kick on Jessica Ai.

02:22:17.000 I was supposed to go get her.

02:22:19.000 Eric Nixit, her coach.

02:22:21.000 She was like, I'll come down to Vegas and get Jessica Ai.

02:22:25.000 That was a tough one.

02:22:26.000 I like Jessica Ai.

02:22:28.000 She took it well, though.

02:22:29.000 She took it well, but she was severely outclassed.

02:22:33.000 That was a bad matchup.

02:22:36.000 There's levels.

02:22:37.000 Well, I don't think there's a level higher than Valentina.

02:22:40.000 There's people on her level, but there's no level higher.

02:22:43.000 That was a little...

02:22:47.000 Debatable match against Nunez, the second one, right?

02:22:49.000 Yes.

02:22:50.000 She could have won that.

02:22:50.000 People say she should have won.

02:22:52.000 Very, very close fight.

02:22:53.000 But Nunez is a bigger girl.

02:22:55.000 Nunez is a legit 135er.

02:22:57.000 She's not going to make 125. And when she knocked out Cyborg, everybody was like, what in the fuck?

02:23:04.000 She flatlined Cyborg.

02:23:06.000 And she's chomping at the bit to do it again.

02:23:11.000 She's like, set it up again, I'll do it again.

02:23:13.000 What do you think?

02:23:14.000 If Cyborg left the UFC, where did she go?

02:23:17.000 One FC maybe.

02:23:18.000 But what fighters is over there?

02:23:20.000 They'll get some fighters for her.

02:23:21.000 They'll find some.

02:23:22.000 There's some Muay Thai champions that'll fight her.

02:23:24.000 There's some badass women.

02:23:25.000 I talked to Cyborg.

02:23:27.000 She wants that fight bad.

02:23:29.000 The Amanda Nunes fight?

02:23:30.000 Yeah, she want it bad.

02:23:30.000 I'm sure she does.

02:23:31.000 It might happen the same way.

02:23:32.000 Because it was Rock'em Sock'em Robots.

02:23:34.000 It was Rock'em Sock'em Robots, but only one person was Rock'em.

02:23:37.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:23:37.000 From her end.

02:23:38.000 Yeah.

02:23:38.000 She was moving towards, and Amanda was just doing the perfect thing to deal with that style.

02:23:45.000 I thought it was gonna be a harder fight.

02:23:47.000 I thought if Amanda was going to beat her, it was going to be by decision.

02:23:50.000 Oh, really?

02:23:51.000 I really did.

02:23:51.000 So you were shocked.

02:23:52.000 I didn't think she was going to flatline her.

02:23:54.000 Cyborg always gets up.

02:23:55.000 She fought Jarena Barge in Lion Fight, who's a world-class, top-of-the-food-chain Muay Thai fighter, and she didn't have a single Muay Thai fight.

02:24:05.000 And Barge knocked her down twice, and Cyborg was chasing her to the last second of the bell.

02:24:11.000 And she just seemed so durable.

02:24:13.000 I just never thought we'd see her faceplant.

02:24:15.000 Amanda Nunes hits like she's got bricks in her gloves.

02:24:20.000 She just drops those fucking bricks on her.

02:24:22.000 And the nicest person in the world.

02:24:23.000 You would never think she'd fall.

02:24:25.000 So nice.

02:24:26.000 And when her and Cyborg were talking all that shit, she seemed cool and calm and just you wait, just you wait.

02:24:35.000 She just knows, man.

02:24:37.000 When she fucked up Ronda Rousey like that, I was like, good lord.

02:24:41.000 That was a fight where I remember the run up to that fight.

02:24:44.000 That was one of the first fights when WAME bought the UFC. And they were really promoting the shit out of Ronda Rousey.

02:24:51.000 Ronda was like walking around some big mansion looking at the TV and And they were going to say this is the big comeback fight.

02:24:58.000 And I was like, you guys should be paying attention to your first ever openly gay UFC champion who happens to be a fucking murderer.

02:25:08.000 Happens to be a chick that murked Misha Tate.

02:25:11.000 Happens to be a chick that flatlines people.

02:25:14.000 She's probably one of the hardest punchers in any women's combat sport.

02:25:18.000 I mean, fuck, man.

02:25:21.000 She hits fucking hard.

02:25:23.000 You...

02:25:24.000 You know, you gotta go back to Ann Wolfe's one-punch KO in boxing to see a woman who hits a beast.

02:25:31.000 But you gotta go to that to see a woman who hits that hard.

02:25:35.000 And Amanda loves to fight, man.

02:25:38.000 You see, she loves it.

02:25:39.000 She fucking loves it.

02:25:41.000 She feeds off of it.

02:25:42.000 And when they were setting that fight up, And they weren't giving Amanda Nunes any credit.

02:25:47.000 And they weren't promoting her at all.

02:25:48.000 I'm like, you guys are crazy.

02:25:49.000 This is a bad fight for Ronda.

02:25:51.000 This is a bad fight.

02:25:52.000 Because first of all, that chick's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.

02:25:55.000 Ronda's not going to submit her.

02:25:56.000 And she's probably not going to get a dominant position on her.

02:25:58.000 And when they're standing up on the feet, this chick is going to throw bricks.

02:26:03.000 And it's not a good place for Ronda.

02:26:05.000 Yeah, that was like, it looked bad.

02:26:08.000 48 seconds.

02:26:09.000 The stumbling, how she was stumbling.

02:26:11.000 Well, you know, there was a lot wrong there.

02:26:14.000 A lot wrong there.

02:26:15.000 Motivation-wise, a lot wrong there.

02:26:16.000 To go from the Holly Holm KO straight to that.

02:26:20.000 Should have had a warm-up fight, right?

02:26:21.000 For sure.

02:26:22.000 I mean, there's a reason why boxing has warm-up fights.

02:26:24.000 What is the percentage?

02:26:25.000 Do you give Holly Holm a chance against Nunes?

02:26:30.000 Well, Holly Holm's a world-class fighter.

02:26:32.000 You know, you got to give her a chance to get anybody.

02:26:34.000 She survived against Jermaine Durandamy, knocked her down.

02:26:37.000 And Jermaine Durandamy is a legit world champion Muay Thai fighter as well.

02:26:41.000 Was that the fight with the late after the...

02:26:43.000 Yes, twice she got hit after the belt.

02:26:44.000 She should have got a point taken and she would have won.

02:26:47.000 I think she won that fight.

02:26:48.000 I think she won anyway.

02:26:49.000 Anyway, yeah.

02:26:49.000 She dropped her twice.

02:26:50.000 She dropped her with a straight left and she dropped her with a question mark kick.

02:26:53.000 I thought she won that fight.

02:26:55.000 But...

02:26:57.000 Amanda's just a fucking murderer, man.

02:26:59.000 It's hard to pick against Amanda.

02:27:01.000 Imagine if Holly shocked the world twice.

02:27:03.000 She could.

02:27:04.000 Look, she could, man.

02:27:05.000 I like her, too, man.

02:27:06.000 She's an amazing person.

02:27:07.000 She hates the cameras.

02:27:09.000 Does she?

02:27:10.000 She won't let me film her.

02:27:11.000 Why?

02:27:11.000 She won't let nobody film her.

02:27:12.000 Just distractions?

02:27:13.000 She just don't like it.

02:27:15.000 That's interesting.

02:27:15.000 And that's one of the girls I would love to do.

02:27:18.000 You know, because this is fun for me, so I'm like, I would love to just get this person on and be able to let the world get to know this fighter, right?

02:27:25.000 Like, I get it from their perspective, though, because it is a distraction.

02:27:29.000 It's another thing, another factor to consider.

02:27:31.000 Some people don't mind it.

02:27:33.000 I bet Henry Cejudo probably likes it.

02:27:36.000 Yeah, in a way.

02:27:38.000 I've gotten away from going to fight week because it's kind of the same thing.

02:27:41.000 I've done it a lot.

02:27:42.000 So I like to just go way before a fight and just document this stuff and then release it during the fight week.

02:27:48.000 What is it like at Bad Motherfucker Ranch?

02:27:51.000 Donald Cowboy's place.

02:27:52.000 I haven't been there yet.

02:27:53.000 I've only been to Jackson's.

02:27:54.000 Oh, okay.

02:27:55.000 Listen.

02:27:56.000 I gotta go there for like a week and just be with him and shilling.

02:28:00.000 That's the place to go because they're all doing mushrooms.

02:28:05.000 Jumping jet skis off the top of the building.

02:28:07.000 Eating fresh eggs.

02:28:08.000 Eating stuff like that.

02:28:09.000 I would love to do that.

02:28:10.000 Cowboy is...

02:28:11.000 Cowboy is one of them people...

02:28:13.000 If you see his face, you think he's mean.

02:28:17.000 Like sometimes.

02:28:18.000 But he's the coolest dude I've ever seen.

02:28:20.000 He's been nice.

02:28:20.000 Man!

02:28:21.000 He's so nice.

02:28:22.000 That's crazy.

02:28:23.000 When him and Mike Perry fought...

02:28:26.000 I had access to Mike Perry that fight week.

02:28:29.000 And I reached out to Cowboy's team and said, I want to be neutral on this and film both of y'all that week.

02:28:35.000 And Cowboy said, yeah, no problem.

02:28:37.000 So he let me hang with him.

02:28:38.000 I was with Perry after the fight.

02:28:41.000 They met, they talked, I had that little famous moment where they met, and Cowboy was like, you lit the fire in me.

02:28:46.000 And Perry was like, what?

02:28:48.000 He was like, you, talking all that shit, lit the fire in me.

02:28:52.000 When he made that Instagram video, he was like, I'm coming for you.

02:28:54.000 Yeah, all that stuff.

02:28:55.000 So that's probably one of the...

02:28:57.000 If people ask me what my favorite moment is, it's probably the Mike Perry week because I had both of them.

02:29:04.000 And then I had the raw emotion of Mike Perry after he lost in the locker room.

02:29:09.000 He looked at the sky and was like, damn God, you couldn't let me out the first round?

02:29:17.000 He's like, damn, it was embarrassing, right?

02:29:20.000 Terry's a funny guy, man.

02:29:21.000 He is.

02:29:22.000 He's a character.

02:29:24.000 He can do anything, I feel like.

02:29:26.000 I mean, he's going to get better in fighting.

02:29:28.000 He can be in movies.

02:29:29.000 Well, he's gotten better since the move to Jackson's.

02:29:31.000 He really has.

02:29:32.000 He's gotten more calculated.

02:29:34.000 Went back where?

02:29:35.000 To Fusion XL in Florida.

02:29:37.000 He went back to his original team after the Cowboy fight.

02:29:39.000 Interesting.

02:29:39.000 I wonder why.

02:29:40.000 I don't know.

02:29:41.000 I have no clue.

02:29:42.000 But he's not at Jackson's anymore.

02:29:43.000 He's at...

02:29:45.000 Fusion exit.

02:29:46.000 Well, I'm not aware of Fusion.

02:29:47.000 I don't know if they have good trainers or anything like that.

02:29:49.000 That's where Jacare trained.

02:29:50.000 Oh, okay.

02:29:51.000 I like what they were doing for him, though, at Jackson's.

02:29:54.000 I like how they were giving him a more measured...

02:29:56.000 Frank Lester, man.

02:29:57.000 Yes.

02:29:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:29:59.000 They're giving him a more calculated approach, making him fight more intelligently, more of a game plan, because he's always going to be wild, and he's always going to have that power.

02:30:07.000 That Paul Felder fight.

02:30:09.000 Yeah, that was wild!

02:30:10.000 That was wild.

02:30:11.000 But if I wanted to see that fight, if Felder, first of all, Felder's a different weight class, but if Felder didn't throw that spinning back fist and bounce it off his forehead and snap his arm in half...

02:30:20.000 They should run it back, huh?

02:30:22.000 Well, I don't think Felder should be fighting 170. Because I don't think Perry has a chance in hell of making 155. But Felder can.

02:30:30.000 Till versus Perry is a good one.

02:30:31.000 That's a great fight.

02:30:32.000 And they hate each other.

02:30:34.000 I like that.

02:30:34.000 Especially after Till coming off getting knocked out by Masvidal.

02:30:37.000 Two losses in a row.

02:30:38.000 So that's a great fight for him.

02:30:39.000 Two losses in a row, but the big one.

02:30:41.000 The big one was Masvidal.

02:30:43.000 Because Masvidal flatlined him.

02:30:46.000 I thought that was a disrespectful The way they had set it up where the bookies had set it up where Tyron Woodley was the underdog.

02:31:00.000 I was like, you guys are out of your fucking mind.

02:31:02.000 You're out of your fucking mind.

02:31:04.000 I don't know what hype you're buying into them.

02:31:06.000 We've never seen this guy on the ground.

02:31:07.000 We've never seen this guy with a guy like Woodley.

02:31:11.000 Woodley hits hard.

02:31:12.000 He hits ridiculously hard.

02:31:13.000 He's so fast.

02:31:14.000 And wrestling-wise, I mean, it's not even close.

02:31:18.000 I thought that was crazy.

02:31:19.000 I'm like, yeah, he beat Cowboy.

02:31:20.000 Yeah, he looked great.

02:31:21.000 Yeah, he beat Wonderboy.

02:31:22.000 But, you know, I mean, it was a fight where he clipped Wonderboy with one really good shot.

02:31:27.000 You know, he hit him with one really good shot and a good five-round fight.

02:31:30.000 I wouldn't call him a hype train.

02:31:32.000 But I feel like promotions, they did it with Pico.

02:31:36.000 Now he got two straight losses.

02:31:38.000 Well, you get excited about a guy because a guy has something special.

02:31:42.000 And sometimes those guys that have something special, they never...

02:31:45.000 Like Uriah Hall never really became what everybody thought he was going to become.

02:31:50.000 We saw Uriah Hall in The Ultimate Fighter.

02:31:51.000 We're like, holy shit, this is the next Anderson Silva.

02:31:53.000 Yeah.

02:31:54.000 Like, look at this guy.

02:31:55.000 Wheel-kicking people in the head.

02:31:56.000 Yeah.

02:31:57.000 He's built like a Greek god.

02:31:59.000 He moves like a fucking gazelle.

02:32:00.000 He just had this perfect style.

02:32:02.000 Like, holy shit, look at this guy.

02:32:03.000 But never quite became who we thought.

02:32:07.000 And then the Paulo Costa fight.

02:32:08.000 You see him getting beaten down by Costa.

02:32:10.000 He was fucking him up, though, at first with the jabs.

02:32:13.000 Yeah, the jabs.

02:32:14.000 Paulo Costa can take it, man.

02:32:15.000 Yeah, I was just like...

02:32:17.000 Him versus Yoel Romero.

02:32:18.000 Good googly moogly.

02:32:20.000 Is that a crazy fight?

02:32:22.000 That's here.

02:32:23.000 That's gonna be in California.

02:32:24.000 Anaheim.

02:32:24.000 Yeah.

02:32:25.000 Woo!

02:32:25.000 With Nate and Pettis.

02:32:27.000 That's the battle of the best bodies ever.

02:32:29.000 Those two guys.

02:32:31.000 He inspired me.

02:32:32.000 How you look like that still at 40-something years old?

02:32:34.000 He's got the freak genetics, man.

02:32:36.000 He talked about it on the podcast.

02:32:37.000 He's like, go look Cuba!

02:32:39.000 Everybody look like that!

02:32:41.000 He was saying that everybody looked like that.

02:32:42.000 Just amazing genetics.

02:32:44.000 And then Costa.

02:32:45.000 Well, it's also like when you think about what Yoel has gone through, that Cuban wrestling program, man.

02:32:52.000 They just call everyone who's not an elite five-star super A-plus athlete.

02:32:59.000 You ain't making it.

02:33:00.000 He was telling me that the people that are the best, they eat more.

02:33:03.000 They get better food and they eat more.

02:33:04.000 And they sleep in better places.

02:33:06.000 And they set it up.

02:33:08.000 Well, you're training with all these other people that want what you have.

02:33:11.000 Wow.

02:33:12.000 So you're around them all the time.

02:33:14.000 Have you seen that podcast?

02:33:15.000 It's amazing.

02:33:15.000 That's what Joey was with.

02:33:16.000 Joey is the translator with Yoel.

02:33:19.000 Did he speak some English?

02:33:21.000 Yeah, he speaks a little.

02:33:22.000 But, you know, he needs help and Joey would help him.

02:33:24.000 I never met him.

02:33:26.000 Yoel?

02:33:27.000 No, I haven't met him yet.

02:33:27.000 He's a great guy.

02:33:29.000 Yeah.

02:33:29.000 He's super friendly.

02:33:31.000 And, man, he does shit to people inside the octagon.

02:33:33.000 You think he's going to get any of that money?

02:33:36.000 Oh, the $27 million from the supplement company?

02:33:38.000 People don't know what we're talking about.

02:33:39.000 He won a lawsuit against the supplement company, just like we were talking about before with Sean O'Malley.

02:33:45.000 They gave him tainted supplements, and he won $27 million.

02:33:50.000 It's a big company.

02:33:52.000 See, we thought that it was a smaller company that would just go under, but this is a big fucking company.

02:33:57.000 And, you know, their company makes $100 million a year, and they owe him $27.

02:34:01.000 Can you settle out of a settle?

02:34:03.000 Like, the judgment was $27 million, but could they be like, oh, we gave you $10?

02:34:08.000 That's a good question.

02:34:09.000 I don't know how that works.

02:34:10.000 If they do, you probably could take that and then sue them for the other $17.

02:34:14.000 Because you have it.

02:34:15.000 Yeah.

02:34:15.000 You gave me $10.

02:34:16.000 I think they're supposed to pay $27 million.

02:34:19.000 I just don't.

02:34:19.000 I think they have to go bankrupt.

02:34:21.000 He should never fight again.

02:34:22.000 Well, maybe he wants to, though.

02:34:24.000 He wants to be the champ, you know?

02:34:26.000 He's got a legit shot.

02:34:27.000 I think he beat Whitaker in the last fight.

02:34:29.000 That's what I was going to say.

02:34:30.000 I think he won.

02:34:33.000 What about Rockhold going to light heavyweight?

02:34:35.000 I don't know, man.

02:34:36.000 The way he smashed Rockhold in that fight, I was like, good lord.

02:34:39.000 Then he kissed him.

02:34:40.000 Yeah, he kissed him after he flatlined him.

02:34:42.000 Rockhold was talking all kinds of shit.

02:34:44.000 But Rockhold said it was like hitting someone who was made out of steel.

02:34:47.000 He said he was so fucking hard.

02:34:49.000 Yeah, Rockhold told me that I've never felt a human like that in my life.

02:34:54.000 That super five-star elite athlete.

02:34:57.000 That's what that is.

02:34:58.000 That is as elite as you get.

02:34:59.000 When that guy goes into the cage and you see him move around, it's like, jeez.

02:35:03.000 That neck?

02:35:04.000 No neck?

02:35:05.000 You go, how the fuck is he 185 pounds?

02:35:08.000 Dude, I weigh 200 pounds.

02:35:10.000 How the fuck is Yoel Romero 185 pounds?

02:35:13.000 That's crazy.

02:35:14.000 Insane.

02:35:15.000 I've seen a side-by-side with him and Khabib when they were younger.

02:35:19.000 And I was just like, man, this dude is massive.

02:35:21.000 He's giant!

02:35:22.000 Khabib is a bear.

02:35:23.000 Yeah, Khabib is thick as fuck, but Yoel's on another level.

02:35:27.000 Freaking, like, he a gargoyle.

02:35:30.000 He, like, built, like, a little gargoyle or something.

02:35:32.000 Well, when he knocked out Chris Weidman with that flying knee, I was like, Jesus Christ.

02:35:36.000 He's just, he has this like slow move.

02:35:39.000 And then he sets these traps on you and explodes.

02:35:42.000 Where do you feel like, like these vets, the sport is changing so much.

02:35:47.000 So now you're starting to see all these, these vets try to figure it out.

02:35:51.000 Like why I've been going to light heavyweight Luke.

02:35:53.000 Is why I've been going to light heavyweight now?

02:35:54.000 Really?

02:35:55.000 So it's like, is he's got like, because obviously this, with Dana White's contender series, all these fresh guys are starting to, The sport is changing so fast.

02:36:06.000 Now these guys are starting to become the Tito Ortiz, the Chuck Liddell's.

02:36:12.000 Now it's like this new fresh...

02:36:14.000 Because think about it.

02:36:15.000 It's like Jordan said.

02:36:16.000 It's going to be somebody better than me one day, Michael Jordan.

02:36:19.000 It's going to be somebody way better than Jon Jones one day.

02:36:22.000 Wow.

02:36:23.000 And think about that, the evolution of the sport.

02:36:25.000 Well, that's what we've seen, right, when you go back to the old days, the Tank Abbott days, and then you see what you see today.

02:36:31.000 I mean, that's unrecognizable.

02:36:32.000 You're talking about 1993 to 2019. What is it going to be like in 2030?

02:36:37.000 The Phil Barone days.

02:36:39.000 Oh, my God.

02:36:39.000 I mean, what we're going to look at in 10, 15 years from now is probably just...

02:36:44.000 I mean, you're seeing it now with the Tuesday Night Contender Series and with these guys coming out of one that you never even heard of before.

02:36:51.000 The Johnny Walkers, where you come from.

02:36:52.000 Exactly.

02:36:53.000 That Naziuken guy that knocked out Eddie Alvarez, like, who the fuck is he?

02:36:56.000 He's a monster.

02:36:57.000 Never heard of him before, right?

02:36:59.000 There's so many guys coming up right now that no one's heard of that are just dedicated and driven and focused, and they also have a higher benchmark.

02:37:08.000 You know, they've seen the Mighty Mouses.

02:37:10.000 Yeah, you're right.

02:37:10.000 They've seen these guys, and they know that this is the level they're trying to achieve instead of, you know, looking back at the early days, you know, where guys just weren't as complete as they are now.

02:37:22.000 That's great.

02:37:22.000 Do you think...

02:37:23.000 What is the...

02:37:24.000 Daniel has said plenty of times there will never be cross-promotion.

02:37:29.000 Do you think it is...

02:37:31.000 Will it ever be...

02:37:32.000 Would you like to see that?

02:37:33.000 Yes, I would.

02:37:34.000 A one versus UFC champion?

02:37:36.000 Look, I'm the worst businessman of all time.

02:37:38.000 I'm not about protecting any brands.

02:37:40.000 I don't give a fuck.

02:37:41.000 I would be like...

02:37:41.000 Yeah, come on.

02:37:42.000 Let's fight.

02:37:42.000 Let's make a fight.

02:37:43.000 Let's all make money.

02:37:43.000 I don't care.

02:37:44.000 I'm the wrong guy for that.

02:37:46.000 If I would make the UFC lose money, I'd pay people more.

02:37:51.000 I'm not the right guy for that job.

02:37:53.000 And I think that I would have a lot more weight classes.

02:37:57.000 First of all, I wouldn't have a jump between 85 and 205. That, to me, looks crazy.

02:38:01.000 Why don't you have 10 pounds?

02:38:03.000 Every 10 pounds.

02:38:04.000 165 is needed.

02:38:05.000 Yes, 165 is needed.

02:38:06.000 Kevin Lee could be champion easily there.

02:38:09.000 55, 65, 75, 85, all the way on up.

02:38:12.000 95, 205, 215, 225. There's more fights.

02:38:16.000 Yes, more fights, more champions, and I think it's the right way to do it.

02:38:19.000 Also, I feel like it's weird that we call it welterweight when it's 170, and now Glory calls it welterweight at 172. Welterweight, like in the Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns days, it's 147. That's welterweight.

02:38:30.000 Yeah, because Mayweather was a welterweight champion in 147. That's boxing.

02:38:34.000 That's boxing.

02:38:35.000 That's the fucking legitimate original name for that weight class is the boxing name.

02:38:40.000 They called it welterweight.

02:38:42.000 That's crazy.

02:38:42.000 They called it middlemate.

02:38:43.000 They called it cruiserweight.

02:38:45.000 It was their names.

02:38:46.000 Yeah.

02:38:46.000 So what we've done is some weird thing where we decided, fuck you, I'm going to call it welterweight.

02:38:51.000 It's like, you know, I live on Brown Street.

02:38:53.000 Yeah, fuck you, Brown Street's over here now.

02:38:55.000 How can we have two Browns treats?

02:38:56.000 That's ridiculous.

02:38:57.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:38:58.000 Why wouldn't they create 165?

02:39:01.000 They should.

02:39:02.000 I don't know.

02:39:04.000 My relationship with Dana White is we're very good friends.

02:39:08.000 I love the guy to death.

02:39:09.000 I've loved him forever.

02:39:10.000 He got me in a commentary.

02:39:11.000 If it wasn't for him, I would have never done it.

02:39:13.000 But I don't do what he does.

02:39:15.000 I don't want that job.

02:39:16.000 I don't get it.

02:39:17.000 I don't agree with him on a lot of shit.

02:39:20.000 I don't agree with him on weight classes for sure.

02:39:23.000 I don't agree with him on some of the rules.

02:39:26.000 There's a lot of shit I don't agree with.

02:39:28.000 There's a lot of things I don't agree with in the sport in general.

02:39:31.000 I'm changing my opinion, though, about bare knuckle.

02:39:33.000 I used to think that it would be a good idea.

02:39:35.000 You like it now?

02:39:36.000 No.

02:39:37.000 Oh, you don't?

02:39:38.000 No.

02:39:39.000 For MMA, I feel like people would get too cut up.

02:39:43.000 Yeah.

02:39:43.000 Paulie barely got hit.

02:39:44.000 You see his face?

02:39:45.000 Yeah, but did you see Chris Lieben's face?

02:39:46.000 Oh, that was brutal.

02:39:48.000 Pull up that picture from Chris Lieben's thing today.

02:39:52.000 Dakota Cochran opened up just a fucking river on his head.

02:39:56.000 It's crazy.

02:39:57.000 I just feel like...

02:39:58.000 Imagine seeing a woman and her face look like that.

02:40:01.000 We've already seen it.

02:40:02.000 I mean, we've seen girls in Muay Thai in particular.

02:40:04.000 Look at that gash.

02:40:05.000 Dude, that is crazy.

02:40:07.000 I mean, that looks like you fell off a motorcycle and hit a tree.

02:40:11.000 And these fans just want more blood?

02:40:13.000 Well, it's just the knuckles cut your face up so easy.

02:40:16.000 And elbows cut your face up as well.

02:40:19.000 And you can definitely...

02:40:20.000 Look, we've seen some horrific gashes inside the UFC. But I think it's harder to hit someone with an elbow and cut them up like that.

02:40:28.000 It's like you're getting a lot of punches in.

02:40:30.000 You're not getting a lot of elbows in.

02:40:32.000 You're not getting as many.

02:40:34.000 You can, especially with ground and pound.

02:40:36.000 There's a real good argument for bare knuckle.

02:40:39.000 But when you watch these bare knuckle fighters, they're breaking their fucking hands almost every fight.

02:40:44.000 Everybody's getting their hands broken.

02:40:45.000 Artem loves it.

02:40:46.000 He's an animal.

02:40:47.000 Yeah.

02:40:49.000 You know what's crazy?

02:40:51.000 They call him the GOAT and it's just funny trolling with it.

02:40:55.000 But he's a game opponent.

02:40:56.000 He even fought Michael Johnson tough as hell.

02:40:58.000 That was a tough fight for Michael.

02:40:59.000 He's tough.

02:41:00.000 The Russian Hammer is a good nickname for that dude.

02:41:02.000 He's a hammer.

02:41:04.000 Yeah, look at Paul.

02:41:05.000 He got hit with like two punches.

02:41:05.000 And he said, I got only hit clean once.

02:41:08.000 Well, he got hit clean a couple of times.

02:41:10.000 But the point is, he didn't do shit.

02:41:12.000 That was bad.

02:41:13.000 I'm a fan of Paulie Malignaggi as a boxer.

02:41:16.000 One of the best commentators.

02:41:18.000 He's very, very, very good as a commentator.

02:41:20.000 And I think he beat Adrian Broner.

02:41:22.000 I think when he fought Broner, I think he out-pointed him.

02:41:24.000 But that's with those big ass gloves.

02:41:26.000 He doesn't have a, no disrespect, he doesn't have a good body for the sport.

02:41:32.000 He's not genetically gifted.

02:41:33.000 He's just not.

02:41:35.000 He's got an awkward body.

02:41:37.000 Like athletically, he moves in an awkward way.

02:41:40.000 He's just really smart and really tough.

02:41:42.000 And he did the very best with what nature gave him.

02:41:46.000 And he became world champion.

02:41:47.000 Yeah, he became a legitimate world champion and he knows so much about boxing.

02:41:53.000 But it's a different world when you don't have any fucking goals.

02:41:55.000 The owner of Bare Knuckles is like, this proves that we have the best combat sport in the world.

02:42:00.000 After the fight, I was like, oh my God.

02:42:02.000 There's some Thai guys.

02:42:03.000 Because our fighter beat a boxer.

02:42:05.000 Yeah.

02:42:06.000 Yeah, but they don't, it's just, you can't say it's the best combat sport in the world, because you can't let them elbow and kick and punch and knee.

02:42:12.000 It's like, there's this thing about boxing, right?

02:42:15.000 The sweet science.

02:42:16.000 The thing about it is if you only let a guy box and with boxing gloves you get to see some shit Like when you see floyd fight where guys are punching him and they can't fucking hit him He's right in front of them And he's moving away because his knowledge and understanding of what you can do with those two weapons is just off the charts He's got it focused like a goddamn laser beam and you just can't touch him He's he's better than anybody that's ever been in terms of like his defensive Like he gets hit less than anybody who's ever fought and had 50 wins

02:42:45.000 There's nobody that gets it less than Floyd.

02:42:46.000 How many more fights did he have after he beat Canelo?

02:42:50.000 That's a good question.

02:42:51.000 He fought Pacquiao after that.

02:42:53.000 Yes, he fought Pacquiao.

02:42:55.000 He fought Berto.

02:42:57.000 Was it the...

02:42:58.000 Who else did he fight?

02:43:00.000 Did he fight Tim Bradley?

02:43:01.000 Or did Bradley fight Pacquiao?

02:43:02.000 No, he fought a Maidana, right?

02:43:04.000 Twice?

02:43:05.000 Was that after?

02:43:06.000 No, no.

02:43:07.000 I think the Maidana fight was before.

02:43:09.000 That was one of the things that gave a lot of people that thought Canelo had a shot because Maidana cracked him in that first round, remember?

02:43:14.000 Yeah.

02:43:14.000 Or not first round, the first fight, right?

02:43:16.000 Right before the bell.

02:43:17.000 Yeah, right before the bell and wobbled him a little bit.

02:43:19.000 Yeah, he stumbled.

02:43:20.000 Yeah.

02:43:22.000 Both of them were before?

02:43:23.000 After.

02:43:23.000 They were.

02:43:24.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

02:43:26.000 Floyd had some fights after.

02:43:29.000 Oh, that's right.

02:43:30.000 The Guerrero fight.

02:43:31.000 Canelo record was crazy even then.

02:43:34.000 Miguel Cotto.

02:43:34.000 Yeah.

02:43:36.000 Look, man.

02:43:36.000 Floyd is a motherfucker, dude.

02:43:38.000 He's a motherfucker.

02:43:39.000 You might not like the style and the way he fights.

02:43:42.000 But the boxers that appreciate how difficult it is to do what he does, he's a new benchmark.

02:43:51.000 He's a new benchmark in terms of how to get out of that sport with getting the very least amount of damage and fighting the most masterfully.

02:44:00.000 And he's really changed the way Canelo fights.

02:44:02.000 You see Canelo against Danny Jacobs.

02:44:04.000 Canelo's using a lot of his shit.

02:44:06.000 I mean, he's like, that's how you do it, man.

02:44:08.000 It'd be crazy when people are like, Floyd should fight this version of Canelo.

02:44:13.000 Canelo's way bigger than that.

02:44:14.000 Yeah, come on.

02:44:15.000 It's a totally different thing.

02:44:17.000 Canelo's a legit middleweight now.

02:44:19.000 You know what the Triple G Canelo trilogy reminds me of?

02:44:22.000 Remember when Pacquiao fought?

02:44:25.000 Who was it that knocked him out?

02:44:28.000 Why am I blanking?

02:44:29.000 Yeah.

02:44:29.000 Juan Manuel Marquez.

02:44:31.000 They fought three times.

02:44:34.000 Pacquiao won twice.

02:44:37.000 And Marquez flatlined.

02:44:38.000 And they flatlined him.

02:44:39.000 And I was like, damn, what if Triple G gets his third chance and that happens?

02:44:42.000 Because it's similar stories.

02:44:44.000 Like, he won.

02:44:45.000 He won twice.

02:44:46.000 Everybody said Marquez beat him twice.

02:44:48.000 And then they finally fought again and then he beat him.

02:44:50.000 Boom.

02:44:51.000 Yeah.

02:44:51.000 And...

02:44:53.000 Pacquiao's still fighting, though.

02:44:54.000 Yeah, how is that possible?

02:44:55.000 He's fighting Keith Thurman.

02:44:56.000 I know.

02:44:57.000 That's a tough fight.

02:44:58.000 That's dangerous.

02:44:59.000 He can win it.

02:45:00.000 Yeah, he can win it.

02:45:01.000 He can just knock out his last appointment.

02:45:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:45:03.000 Listen, Pacquiao's still good.

02:45:05.000 He's still good.

02:45:07.000 And after he got shoulder surgery, you know, I mean, he's as good as he's ever been.

02:45:12.000 Yeah.

02:45:13.000 I just hate that he keep using that excuse that his shoulder is messed up against him.

02:45:18.000 When he fought Floyd?

02:45:19.000 Yeah.

02:45:20.000 It would have been interesting to see him 100% healthy against Floyd, but Floyd was smart with him.

02:45:25.000 He's like, not yet.

02:45:26.000 Not yet.

02:45:28.000 Isn't it weird that people say he waited until he got old, but Pacquiao's older than Floyd?

02:45:33.000 Yeah.

02:45:33.000 Floyd's older than Pacquiao.

02:45:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:45:35.000 Floyd's older than Pacquiao.

02:45:36.000 Yeah, but he did wait until Pacquiao got a little worn.

02:45:39.000 After he got knocked out by Marquez, he's like, okay.

02:45:41.000 Yeah, let's go.

02:45:42.000 It looks like now's the time.

02:45:43.000 It still wasn't close.

02:45:45.000 Well, it's also, you know, Floyd is incredibly smart when it comes to promotion.

02:45:49.000 He's not going to let anybody get 50-50 with him.

02:45:51.000 No, no, no.

02:45:52.000 That's the whole Eddie Hearn shit, though.

02:45:54.000 That's what, and then what can happen.

02:45:56.000 Well, that shit is crazy.

02:45:59.000 What did you hear about him getting hurt before the fight?

02:46:04.000 I heard that he had an anxiety attack.

02:46:06.000 Yeah, I heard it.

02:46:07.000 And I heard he got knocked out.

02:46:08.000 That's what I heard.

02:46:09.000 Yeah, we're talking about Anthony Joshua.

02:46:11.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:46:12.000 Yeah, for the people listening.

02:46:13.000 We heard that Eddie Hearn is the promoter of Anthony Joshua.

02:46:16.000 And what I had heard was that he got flatlined in training or dropped and hurt bad in training.

02:46:21.000 and it was like leading up to the fight like very close to the fight whether a week or so out what did you hear?

02:46:27.000 well I heard that happened and then he went to Miami to finish the rest of his camp after that really?

02:46:33.000 so that's what I think his dad was bitching about like Joshua I'm not 100% certain but in the ring when he was getting into it I told you he wasn't right for the fight.

02:46:45.000 They were trying to reschedule the fight.

02:46:49.000 Yeah, they probably should have.

02:46:51.000 When you get dropped like that...

02:46:52.000 Because you see the punches he got hit with, they don't seem like punches that would...

02:46:56.000 He also looked a little out of it.

02:46:58.000 Out of it.

02:46:58.000 It's easy to say that though after.

02:47:01.000 But Andy Ruiz is a bad motherfucker, dude.

02:47:03.000 That guy throws combinations, man.

02:47:06.000 Andy Ruiz is a bad motherfucker.

02:47:08.000 You know, people just get confused when they look at that belly.

02:47:11.000 If you took all that fat away and you saw what was underneath it and you fought the same way, but he weighed 220, you'd go, wow, he's got a real shot.

02:47:17.000 You see them Instagram videos of him training how fast his hands is.

02:47:21.000 I'm like, whoa.

02:47:21.000 Fast as fuck.

02:47:23.000 Confusing.

02:47:24.000 Listen, when they told me to film him, I think he might have had...

02:47:29.000 20,000 followers.

02:47:32.000 And then in one night he had like a million.

02:47:37.000 I'm like, golly.

02:47:38.000 And he seemed like a humble guy.

02:47:40.000 He keep trying to promote Snickers.

02:47:42.000 Snickers, like every day.

02:47:44.000 Snickers.

02:47:44.000 He want that sponsorship.

02:47:46.000 Snickers need to give him his sponsorship.

02:47:47.000 Why Snickers?

02:47:48.000 He likes Snickers.

02:47:49.000 He's a big boy.

02:47:50.000 He's a big boy.

02:47:53.000 What do you think happens?

02:47:54.000 They're going to do a rematch?

02:47:55.000 Yeah.

02:47:56.000 And yesterday, Ruiz Jr. said, I'm going to beat him worse because I'm going to be in better shape.

02:48:02.000 He can't box.

02:48:04.000 And I was like, hmm.

02:48:05.000 Whoa.

02:48:06.000 He was an Olympic gold medalist.

02:48:08.000 He can fight.

02:48:09.000 Yeah, he can fight.

02:48:10.000 He can fight.

02:48:10.000 He can box.

02:48:11.000 It sucks because I was going to cover Big Baby Miller.

02:48:15.000 I think he's fucked if he fights Deontay.

02:48:18.000 I think Joshua just can't...

02:48:20.000 He can't hold up under that firepower.

02:48:22.000 Nah.

02:48:23.000 Deontay hits people and it's like he's got some fucking...

02:48:27.000 Mortal Kombat superpower in his glove.

02:48:29.000 It's crazy.

02:48:30.000 Yeah, he got that old slave genetics.

02:48:33.000 Well, he's got that Tommy Hearns frame, too.

02:48:36.000 He's like a giant Tommy Hearns, where all that leverage, all that torque...

02:48:42.000 He hits so goddamn hard.

02:48:44.000 When you look at a guy that has, what does he have, like 40 wins, 39 KOs, something like that?

02:48:50.000 Yeah, 41 wins, 40 KOs or something crazy.

02:48:52.000 The only one he didn't KO is, as we talked about before, was Tyson Fury.

02:48:55.000 But if you looked at the count, if you had a real clock and you hit start when he went down, instead of relying on the referee to go one, two...

02:49:05.000 Maybe Tyson would have gotten up because he would have known that it was 8 when it was 8 because the referee was saying 8, it was already 10. It was like 1, 2. By the time he got to 8 and 9 and Tyson stood up, 10 had long been passed.

02:49:20.000 So technically.

02:49:21.000 But that was also the case with Buster Douglas and Mike Tyson, you know.

02:49:25.000 When Mike Tyson knocked down Buster Douglas, Buster Douglas did not get up by the count of 10. No.

02:49:30.000 On a real count of 10. An actual 10 second count.

02:49:33.000 But his obligation is to get up by the referee's count, not by a clock.

02:49:37.000 They should use a fucking clock.

02:49:38.000 Why don't they use a goddamn clock?

02:49:40.000 Early on, I used to document Tyson's trainer, Stacey McKinley, after he got out of prison.

02:49:46.000 I used to always bring that up with Holyfield and him.

02:49:49.000 But he was down 10 seconds.

02:49:51.000 He was like, that don't mean shit.

02:49:52.000 Ain't nobody caring about that.

02:49:53.000 They don't use that as an excuse.

02:49:55.000 It's true, because he could have gotten up at 8 or 9 if they actually had a real clock.

02:50:01.000 It's not like he was out cold and he woke up at 8. He was just gathering his thoughts and trying to get his brain straight.

02:50:09.000 Imagine in MMA if they had standing 8. Why the fuck doesn't boxing have a clock?

02:50:15.000 Like, well, they have a clock when it counts the ring, right?

02:50:17.000 The ring time.

02:50:18.000 Three minutes for the round.

02:50:19.000 So soon as somebody falls.

02:50:20.000 Have a fucking real clock that shows seven, eight, nine.

02:50:24.000 So you don't leave it up to the goddamn referee.

02:50:25.000 So then a ref can look in the corner and say, oh, it's at...

02:50:28.000 And you pick it up from there.

02:50:29.000 Yeah.

02:50:30.000 I mean, shouldn't it be the ref counting?

02:50:32.000 It should be like a voice, like a digital voice.

02:50:34.000 One, two, three.

02:50:37.000 So it's 100% 10 seconds.

02:50:39.000 Yeah.

02:50:40.000 That's so crazy because one guy could have a fast count, one guy could have a slow count.

02:50:43.000 That's stupid.

02:50:44.000 One guy could have an envelope in his suit pocket in the locker room.

02:50:49.000 Just make it a little bit slower.

02:50:50.000 Yes.

02:50:52.000 So, you just never know about that.

02:50:54.000 I looked this up when we were talking about this a couple months ago, supposedly, that the time official is supposed to start the count immediately, and then the in-ring referee picks it up once he's got his attention on it.

02:51:04.000 Yes, that is what happens.

02:51:05.000 The problem is the referee does not do it to 10 seconds.

02:51:08.000 He doesn't do it to an actual clock.

02:51:11.000 That's what happens.

02:51:12.000 When the guy goes down and says, go to a neutral corner, and then he picks it up at 3, 4, but he could be off by 2 seconds easily.

02:51:20.000 Like a guy celebrating and then he spent four seconds trying to get him to his corner.

02:51:25.000 Yeah, but that's on the guy.

02:51:26.000 That's on the guy.

02:51:27.000 That makes sense.

02:51:28.000 But once the guy goes to a neutral corner, the fucking clock should be like a legitimate second clock.

02:51:35.000 Yeah.

02:51:36.000 Yeah.

02:51:37.000 That's crazy.

02:51:38.000 Or you flatline people like Walter, and then they don't get up.

02:51:41.000 Yeah.

02:51:41.000 It says it comes from a gentleman's rule, so I don't know if it was supposed to be 10 seconds.

02:51:45.000 So does parking your horse in front of the fucking saloon.

02:51:48.000 Get out of here.

02:51:49.000 It's 2019. We got clocks, bitch.

02:51:51.000 This is ridiculous.

02:51:52.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:51:53.000 Boxing is shady.

02:51:54.000 Well, boxing is shady as fuck.

02:51:55.000 One thing I like what Glory does, though, they incorporate five judges.

02:51:58.000 These five judges.

02:51:59.000 I think the UFC should do that as well.

02:52:01.000 I think three judges are ridiculous.

02:52:02.000 When you see bad decisions...

02:52:04.000 It's a lot of those.

02:52:05.000 I don't know who the lady, Angela Hill, just fought against.

02:52:08.000 I thought it was a bad decision.

02:52:09.000 And I looked at that.

02:52:11.000 I was like, why don't they have five judges?

02:52:14.000 Five judges who know what the fuck they're doing.

02:52:18.000 But you said they named 170 Welterweight.

02:52:22.000 They just do what they want to do.

02:52:23.000 Well, boxing uses three judges, too.

02:52:26.000 I don't know.

02:52:27.000 The more the better.

02:52:28.000 It's not like it's expensive to have a lot of judges.

02:52:30.000 Because remember that scorecard that gave the draw to Canelo?

02:52:35.000 Yes.

02:52:36.000 Tim Bradley.

02:52:38.000 No, Pacquiao.

02:52:38.000 Tim Bradley.

02:52:39.000 Oh, the one.

02:52:39.000 No, Mayweather.

02:52:41.000 Canelo.

02:52:41.000 Yes.

02:52:42.000 Yeah, that lady.

02:52:43.000 She vanished.

02:52:44.000 And then she did it again, right?

02:52:45.000 Yeah.

02:52:46.000 She did it again with Tim Bradley and Manny Pacquiao.

02:52:48.000 Yeah.

02:52:48.000 When Tim Bradley beat Manny Pacquiao, everybody was like, what?

02:52:51.000 What the fuck?

02:52:53.000 What the fuck?

02:52:53.000 Even Bradley knew he didn't win that fight.

02:52:55.000 No.

02:52:55.000 No, he didn't win that fight.

02:52:56.000 But the Canelo one was ridiculous.

02:52:59.000 That was crazy.

02:53:00.000 That's one of those weird things where it's like all someone has to do was put a shitload of money on a majority decision.

02:53:07.000 So you know that Floyd's not going to knock Canelo out.

02:53:10.000 He doesn't really knock a lot of that out.

02:53:12.000 He's going to win.

02:53:13.000 Put the money on a majority decision.

02:53:15.000 It means one person has to be dirty.

02:53:16.000 All you need is one person who's dirty and you can win millions.

02:53:22.000 Boxing is so dirty.

02:53:23.000 It's so old.

02:53:24.000 You can't be dirty in UFC though, right?

02:53:26.000 Really?

02:53:27.000 With the judging?

02:53:29.000 I think the judging is incompetent.

02:53:31.000 I've never had any indication.

02:53:33.000 No one's ever said to me they think it's dirty.

02:53:35.000 I think it's incompetent.

02:53:37.000 Incompetent?

02:53:38.000 There's a lot of incompetent judges.

02:53:39.000 But then there's also we got state judges.

02:53:41.000 Yeah, it'd be weird with the refs sometimes.

02:53:43.000 I was like, who is this ref?

02:53:45.000 Well, like we were talking about with Kamaru Usman and Damian Maia.

02:53:47.000 That's a ridiculous thing to separate those two.

02:53:49.000 That's ridiculous.

02:53:50.000 Just let them play it out.

02:53:51.000 Also, you got a constrictor.

02:53:52.000 You got a guy whose whole deal is to get you in a bad position.

02:53:55.000 And then he gets you in a bad position.

02:53:58.000 He's working his way.

02:53:59.000 He's trying to work his way.

02:54:00.000 He's got one hook in.

02:54:01.000 He's got your back.

02:54:02.000 It was time left, too.

02:54:03.000 It's time left.

02:54:04.000 It's time left.

02:54:04.000 Break!

02:54:06.000 Break!

02:54:06.000 Fucking break you!

02:54:08.000 Break!

02:54:08.000 Are you crazy?

02:54:10.000 What the fuck are you here for?

02:54:11.000 What are you here for?

02:54:12.000 You just want rock-em-sock-em robots?

02:54:14.000 Go watch Bare Knuckle Boxing.

02:54:16.000 Get out of here, bitch.

02:54:17.000 I just re-watched the Askren, Robbie.

02:54:19.000 I think they could have stopped it when he slammed on me.

02:54:22.000 He could have.

02:54:23.000 They could have stopped it.

02:54:24.000 Could have stopped it when he was fucking running his face through.

02:54:26.000 His head kept going back.

02:54:27.000 Could have stopped it.

02:54:28.000 But that was a lot of time left.

02:54:30.000 Yep, could have stopped.

02:54:31.000 I was in the locker room with Robbie when he came back.

02:54:33.000 Could have stopped it, but I watched that with Herb Dean.

02:54:37.000 I had Herb in here and we watched it and Herb changed my mind.

02:54:39.000 Because I was thinking that he wasn't out.

02:54:41.000 Because, you know, it's like they got to run that back.

02:54:44.000 And Kamara was saying they got to run that back.

02:54:47.000 That he was out.

02:54:49.000 Or that he wasn't out.

02:54:50.000 Where the arm dropped?

02:54:51.000 Yeah.

02:54:51.000 But then I watched it with Herb.

02:54:53.000 He's like, this is not a normal way your arm drops.

02:54:55.000 I'm like, you're right.

02:54:56.000 You're right.

02:54:56.000 So he could have just been out for a second?

02:54:58.000 I think he was out for a second.

02:54:59.000 And then he just woke back up?

02:55:00.000 Yeah, popped back up.

02:55:01.000 And the way Askren said it is, when Herb started coming over to him, he knew he was out.

02:55:06.000 Herb started coming over to him.

02:55:07.000 He let up on the grip a little bit.

02:55:08.000 And that's why Robby popped right back up.

02:55:10.000 Regained consciousness?

02:55:10.000 Yeah, I believe Ben.

02:55:12.000 I believe Ben.

02:55:12.000 The arm, that is, you don't let your arm just drop like that.

02:55:16.000 I think he was out for a second.

02:55:17.000 So as soon as he picked his arm up, he woke back up because he was like, thumbs up.

02:55:21.000 Ben clamped on his head.

02:55:23.000 Ben squeezed on his head.

02:55:24.000 The arm drops.

02:55:26.000 Herb comes over to look at him.

02:55:27.000 He thinks he's going to stop the fight.

02:55:29.000 He lets up a little bit because he thinks he's already out.

02:55:31.000 And then he pops back up to life.

02:55:33.000 And then Herb stops the fight.

02:55:34.000 Robbie's like, what the fuck?

02:55:35.000 I think that's what happened.

02:55:36.000 That's one of the most confusing back and forth.

02:55:38.000 Even during the fight, I watched it.

02:55:40.000 You and Dominique, he was like, no, he was.

02:55:42.000 No, he wasn't.

02:55:43.000 No, he's not out!

02:55:45.000 Yeah, I believe you right there.

02:55:47.000 It's hard to tell.

02:55:47.000 You're also looking through this cage, right?

02:55:49.000 It's over there.

02:55:51.000 And we're like, what is happening?

02:55:52.000 He's out!

02:55:53.000 Oh, he's not out!

02:55:54.000 Herb was in a bad angle.

02:55:55.000 He was in a bad angle.

02:55:57.000 He's the gold standard, though.

02:55:58.000 Yeah, he's the truth.

02:55:59.000 Herb's the best.

02:56:00.000 And he's so calm about how he handles things.

02:56:02.000 Never emotional.

02:56:04.000 Always logical.

02:56:05.000 He breaks things down.

02:56:07.000 He's the gold standard.

02:56:08.000 Especially now that John McCarthy's not in it anymore.

02:56:11.000 Yeah, he's doing a great job at Bellator, though.

02:56:13.000 Yeah, I mean, look, Bellator.

02:56:16.000 It used to be there was like a clear difference between UFC and Bellator.

02:56:19.000 Not anymore, man.

02:56:20.000 You know, Rafael Lovato and Musashi, did you see that fight?

02:56:24.000 Yeah, I saw that.

02:56:25.000 Man, that's crazy.

02:56:25.000 That's a high-level fucking fight, man.

02:56:27.000 That's crazy.

02:56:28.000 Especially after Musashi beat Rory McDonald, which Rory probably shouldn't have been fighting him at 185 pounds.

02:56:33.000 It was the wrong weight class.

02:56:34.000 Musashi's way bigger than him.

02:56:35.000 And Musashi is beating guys, real top-flight guys at 205. Yeah.

02:56:40.000 And then, you know, you got Lima, who just knocked out Michael Venom Page.

02:56:44.000 Brutal.

02:56:44.000 No promotion on him.

02:56:46.000 And I was sitting there like, man, I wish I could have just got my hands on him and told this guy's story.

02:56:51.000 Yeah.

02:56:51.000 Because nobody knew him.

02:56:52.000 Lima's a murderer, bro.

02:56:54.000 He's a murderer.

02:56:55.000 And his brother in the UFC, right?

02:56:56.000 Yep.

02:56:57.000 Yeah.

02:56:57.000 Yeah, Diego.

02:56:58.000 But Douglas is as good as anybody alive at 170 pounds.

02:57:02.000 I really believe that.

02:57:03.000 That's crazy.

02:57:04.000 I like what Scott Coker doing.

02:57:07.000 Yep, I do too.

02:57:08.000 I wish that they would do the same thing that one is doing with the weight cuts.

02:57:11.000 Just cut all that weight cut bullshit out.

02:57:13.000 Just stop it.

02:57:14.000 That's not necessary.

02:57:15.000 Michael Chandler cut a lot of weight too.

02:57:17.000 He's a big boy, so when he got hit...

02:57:19.000 He's heavy.

02:57:20.000 That's...

02:57:20.000 I always, like, when I see him get hit like that, I see how much weight these guys cut because I'm around it.

02:57:25.000 Yeah.

02:57:25.000 And I'm like, damn, he didn't really get hit like that.

02:57:28.000 He got hit on the temple, though, right?

02:57:30.000 He got hit by Pitbull, though.

02:57:31.000 Pitbull hit him on the temple.

02:57:33.000 That guy hits hard.

02:57:33.000 Yeah.

02:57:34.000 They both hit hard.

02:57:34.000 It's one of those crazy games where, you know, whoever connects first can put the other guy out.

02:57:39.000 Especially after Chandler knocked out his brother.

02:57:42.000 It was a big deal.

02:57:43.000 Yeah, that was...

02:57:44.000 Oof.

02:57:45.000 Double champions.

02:57:46.000 It's a lot of double champions now.

02:57:47.000 Conor started it.

02:57:48.000 You got Bader.

02:57:50.000 He's a double champion.

02:57:51.000 You got Pitbull.

02:57:52.000 You got Cejudo.

02:57:54.000 Amanda Nunes.

02:57:55.000 Amanda Nunes.

02:57:56.000 It's a lot.

02:57:57.000 We had Conor, obviously.

02:57:59.000 Yeah, Daniel Cormier.

02:58:00.000 Daniel Cormier.

02:58:02.000 Crazy.

02:58:03.000 It's crazy.

02:58:03.000 Now he's threatening to be...

02:58:05.000 I would say, because they're going to have to do...

02:58:08.000 If Cejudo is out for a year, they're going to have to do an interim at Bantamweight.

02:58:12.000 Yes.

02:58:12.000 So who you do?

02:58:12.000 Al Jermaine and Peter Yan?

02:58:15.000 You could do that.

02:58:16.000 That's a good fight.

02:58:17.000 Yeah, that's a very good fight.

02:58:18.000 Where does Cody Garbrandt fit in the picture?

02:58:20.000 That's a good question.

02:58:21.000 I think Cody has to win one.

02:58:22.000 Just get a fight.

02:58:23.000 Yeah, he got knocked out twice in a row.

02:58:25.000 By Pedro.

02:58:25.000 Yeah, Pedro Munoz.

02:58:28.000 Obviously, the TJ Dillashaw one comes into question.

02:58:30.000 Now the TJ gets popped for EPO. But what did he say on Chael Sonnen's podcast?

02:58:34.000 Yeah, he had an explanation.

02:58:36.000 He took it because he was trying to make the weight.

02:58:38.000 Yeah.

02:58:38.000 He must have been just so drained trying to make that weight.

02:58:40.000 You really do have to fight.

02:58:41.000 I like TJ too, man.

02:58:42.000 I do too.

02:58:43.000 It was sad.

02:58:43.000 I was supposed to film him a week before he lost to Cejudo and then he was just like, ah, let's just do the next camp.

02:58:50.000 Dude, he looked like a goddamn skeleton going into that fight.

02:58:53.000 You see the picture when all those pills was on the table?

02:58:57.000 Yeah, ridiculous.

02:58:58.000 It was like 500 bottles.

02:58:59.000 Yeah.

02:59:00.000 I was like, why would you?

02:59:01.000 Just to maintain his body, keep it alive while he's just basically draining all the life out of it to make 125 pounds.

02:59:07.000 He's owning up to it, though.

02:59:09.000 Yeah, he is.

02:59:09.000 And I like that.

02:59:10.000 You gotta face your truth sometimes.

02:59:12.000 He also had really fucked up shoulders.

02:59:14.000 Both shoulders are fucked up.

02:59:16.000 And he wound up getting surgery on one of them.

02:59:18.000 Then he had the video.

02:59:19.000 He was fat looking and with the mustache.

02:59:22.000 I was like, what the hell is going on?

02:59:23.000 Did he just go to get kidnapped by aliens and drop back off?

02:59:27.000 Well, when you lose that much weight, your body wants to hold.

02:59:31.000 Your body is essentially you went into starvation mode.

02:59:33.000 Your body wants to hold on to every fucking calorie it can.

02:59:36.000 It slows your metabolism down.

02:59:37.000 I just think you're doing a giant disservice for the rest of your life with your body when you do that.

02:59:42.000 It's very unhealthy.

02:59:43.000 Brutal cuts.

02:59:44.000 Take years off your life.

02:59:45.000 Yeah.

02:59:46.000 That's what a lot of fighters say, man.

02:59:48.000 It's Sean Soriano at Hard Knocks 365. I remember when Uzman was getting ready for the Willie fight.

02:59:56.000 That's my favorite time to film during fight week because that's the true raw emotions is the weight cut.

03:00:01.000 Everything else is standard.

03:00:03.000 They got to do open workouts, media.

03:00:04.000 It's boring stuff.

03:00:06.000 But that weight cut, you see these people's souls.

03:00:10.000 Uzman in there, Ben Askren, they all in the P.I., they all cutting weight together.

03:00:15.000 I'm just thinking, this is crazy.

03:00:17.000 And you've seen the picture with Cowboy and Tony Ferguson when they was side-by-side cutting weight.

03:00:22.000 That's when that respect goes to the all-time high with the fighters because they all in there trying to feed their families, man.

03:00:29.000 It's showing wind money.

03:00:30.000 Dude, Tony Ferguson scares the fuck out of me.

03:00:32.000 That guy don't get tired.

03:00:34.000 He doesn't get tired.

03:00:35.000 Everybody who fights him looks like they got run through a fucking meat chipper.

03:00:39.000 Brick hands, right?

03:00:40.000 Bricks.

03:00:41.000 What the hell is he doing?

03:00:42.000 He's got big-ass hands.

03:00:44.000 Fire every day.

03:00:45.000 Tony has big, wide hands.

03:00:46.000 So many people have been screaming for me to please do the anatomy of Tony Ferguson.

03:00:50.000 He's so interesting too.

03:00:51.000 That's one of them situations where it's like, I gotta see how, I don't know man, it's weird.

03:00:58.000 I'm in a weird position.

03:01:00.000 Because like, for example, I like Conor.

03:01:03.000 But damn, that relationship you got with Khabib is horrible.

03:01:06.000 I can't...

03:01:06.000 Yeah, I understand.

03:01:07.000 It just sucks because I filmed the Conor team before I ever met Khabib.

03:01:12.000 I had Owen Roddy, all these guys on the channel, right?

03:01:15.000 And now I'm Team Khabib.

03:01:17.000 When you get invited to somebody's country, be around a family, eat the food with their brothers, that's sacred.

03:01:24.000 You've got to respect that.

03:01:26.000 So I respect that.

03:01:27.000 Tony Ferguson's a different one.

03:01:28.000 They talk shit.

03:01:29.000 But I would love to get Tony Ferguson on the channel.

03:01:32.000 Do you think that compromises your objectivity or do you think that's just the price that you pay to be that close?

03:01:36.000 I know.

03:01:37.000 I think it's the price you pay sometimes.

03:01:39.000 But I wish fighters will understand what I'm trying to do.

03:01:43.000 No, I think they do and they definitely will now.

03:01:45.000 Yeah, I'm trying to build a platform from all fighters.

03:01:48.000 I don't care if y'all fighting.

03:01:50.000 It get ugly.

03:01:51.000 You throw a dolly through a bus, you talk about somebody's family and all this stuff, I get that.

03:01:55.000 Man, I can't touch that.

03:01:57.000 But when it comes to somebody like Tony Ferguson versus Khabib, I want to have the access to go with Tony and Eddie and film that and talk to them and get inside the mindset of who Tony is.

03:02:10.000 No one has really promoted Tony Ferguson.

03:02:12.000 I feel like I could do an amazing job spending a day or two with Tony Ferguson and talking about life.

03:02:17.000 I think you could too, but I don't know if Tony would be into it.

03:02:20.000 Tony is a real rebel.

03:02:22.000 He is.

03:02:23.000 He's a very unique guy.

03:02:24.000 He may give you a little bit, but not everything you want.

03:02:26.000 Yeah, he doesn't want anybody in close with him.

03:02:29.000 He's got secrets too in terms of how he prepares and how he trains.

03:02:32.000 He had one of my...

03:02:34.000 Good friends document him his last fight in Vegas, the one when he fought Pettis.

03:02:40.000 He documented him the whole time, so he had a camera crew with him.

03:02:44.000 Well, I think after his last fight, I think people are starting to understand, the cowboy fight, that this guy is something truly special.

03:02:52.000 Yeah, he is.

03:02:52.000 And everybody knew, but if you look at his, the last time, I mean, Luke Thomas had something on his Twitter documenting the last time, how crazy it is if you look, like, who was champion the last time Tony Ferguson lost.

03:03:04.000 I mean, he's a monster.

03:03:06.000 His last loss was to Michael Johnson.

03:03:08.000 Yeah.

03:03:08.000 How long ago was that?

03:03:09.000 Long time.

03:03:10.000 I think it was 2013. That's crazy that Michael Johnson beat him.

03:03:14.000 He beat Dustin Poirier.

03:03:15.000 Michael Johnson beat Dustin Poirier.

03:03:16.000 Flatlined him.

03:03:17.000 Ed Lightweight.

03:03:17.000 Yep.

03:03:18.000 KO'd him.

03:03:18.000 And Edson Barbosa.

03:03:20.000 Yep.

03:03:21.000 And his tough losses was to Gaethje, who he could have beat Gaethje.

03:03:25.000 He had him beat.

03:03:25.000 They both back and forth.

03:03:27.000 And then the Khabib fight that I really...

03:03:30.000 I mean, that's debatable that he stung him.

03:03:34.000 He definitely tagged him.

03:03:35.000 He tagged him, but it wasn't like a flip.

03:03:38.000 He hit him.

03:03:38.000 It's a fight.

03:03:39.000 But Khabib mauled him.

03:03:41.000 He grabbed him and it was...

03:03:42.000 It just shows how good Khabib is.

03:03:45.000 You have to give up.

03:03:46.000 I deserve this.

03:03:47.000 Yeah.

03:03:47.000 Give up.

03:03:48.000 That's when I was like, who the hell is this dude?

03:03:49.000 You don't have to be champion.

03:03:50.000 I didn't know who Khabib was.

03:03:52.000 I was documenting Michael Johnson for the camp.

03:03:54.000 I know.

03:03:54.000 He's telling him to give up while he's beating the fuck out.

03:03:56.000 You know I deserve this, right?

03:03:57.000 And then Mike on the bottom and hit him back.

03:04:00.000 Like under.

03:04:01.000 It's like...

03:04:03.000 How about when he was beating the shit out of Conor?

03:04:05.000 Let's talk now.

03:04:05.000 Yeah, that was brutal.

03:04:06.000 Let's talk.

03:04:07.000 Boom.

03:04:07.000 He's just beating his ass.

03:04:08.000 So, you know, I was backstage when he came back in the locker room.

03:04:12.000 Yeah?

03:04:12.000 After the melee.

03:04:14.000 People have never seen that footage yet.

03:04:16.000 What was that like?

03:04:16.000 It was crazy.

03:04:18.000 I remember Cormier was like, Will, turn the camera off.

03:04:20.000 Because it was just too much going on.

03:04:23.000 Yeah, I've never released it yet because out of respect of the courts.

03:04:26.000 So I showed a snippet.

03:04:29.000 Yeah, hide that shit.

03:04:32.000 We need him to fight again.

03:04:35.000 We need to get past all that nonsense.

03:04:36.000 Yeah, trust me.

03:04:38.000 I can't wait to show the world one day how crazy that was in the locker room.

03:04:42.000 Yeah.

03:04:43.000 Listen, Will, we just did three hours, man.

03:04:45.000 Whoa.

03:04:45.000 Can you believe that?

03:04:46.000 Look, it's 310. Look at the clock.

03:04:48.000 Crazy.

03:04:49.000 Damn.

03:04:49.000 Time warping this place.

03:04:50.000 This was everything I was hoping it was going to be, man.

03:04:52.000 I appreciate it, man.

03:04:53.000 I appreciate you.

03:04:54.000 And I think what you're doing with your channel is amazing.

03:04:56.000 Your documentary is amazing.

03:04:58.000 And I appreciate you.

03:04:59.000 Thanks, man.

03:04:59.000 I appreciate it.

03:05:00.000 Thank you very much.

03:05:00.000 Thank you.

03:05:01.000 Bye, everybody.

03:05:03.000 Woo!

03:05:04.000 Fuck.

03:05:04.000 Three hours.

03:05:05.000 That was great, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 04, 2011

JRE MMA Show #68 with Will Harris

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