The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #69 with Yves Edwards

00:00:03.000 Eve Edwards, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:05.000 Hello, sir.

00:00:07.000 Good to see you, brother.

00:00:07.000 What's going on?

00:00:09.000 Everything and nothing, man.

00:00:10.000 Everything and nothing.

00:00:11.000 You were telling me this is a crazy time for you. 1.00

00:00:13.000 You're a vagabond. 1.00

00:00:14.000 You're traveling around, man. 1.00

00:00:15.000 You're a gypsy. 1.00

00:00:16.000 I like the term nomad.

00:00:18.000 Nomad's good.

00:00:19.000 Vagabond makes it sound like I'm poor and I got a stick with my clothes tied in a bag.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, nomad's like a gypsy with money. 1.00

00:00:25.000 Yeah.

00:00:26.000 No, but gypsies, is that a derogatory term?

00:00:28.000 It didn't used to be.

00:00:29.000 I think it might be now.

00:00:30.000 They can say it.

00:00:31.000 Like King of the Gypsies is Tyson Fury. 0.97

00:00:34.000 He's allowed to say it.

00:00:35.000 He's allowed to say it.

00:00:36.000 Might be one of them things.

00:00:37.000 Yeah, we got a word like that.

00:00:39.000 A lot of people do.

00:00:41.000 Those words are expanding.

00:00:42.000 There's more of those words than before.

00:00:46.000 See, I'm going to get in trouble right now.

00:00:48.000 Can midgets call themselves midgets?

00:00:50.000 I don't know, man.

00:00:51.000 I don't know.

00:00:52.000 That's a good one.

00:00:53.000 That used to be a normal one.

00:00:55.000 You know what's really crazy? 0.99

00:00:56.000 If you look at when kids were born with Down syndrome, the original term was mongoloid idiot. 0.99

00:01:04.000 That used to be like they would put that on birth certificates. 0.92

00:01:10.000 Like, when you say the original term, are any of those people still alive?

00:01:13.000 Like, is that still on somebody who's alive's birth certificate?

00:01:16.000 That's a good question.

00:01:17.000 Do people with Down syndrome live less?

00:01:19.000 They don't live as long, right?

00:01:20.000 I think that's the case.

00:01:22.000 Yeah.

00:01:22.000 Yeah, you don't see a lot of older people with Down syndrome.

00:01:27.000 I don't know.

00:01:28.000 We're tightening up the word.

00:01:29.000 I just can't wait till we can read minds.

00:01:32.000 So, there's all this nonsense to just go out the window.

00:01:35.000 I think once we can read minds, and then you just see intent, and there's no words.

00:01:39.000 Because right now it's just words that convey intent, and some of those words are forbidden.

00:01:45.000 But some of those words have... 0.99

00:01:46.000 Like, bitch. 1.00

00:01:47.000 Perfect example. 1.00

00:01:48.000 Like, you could say, that's a bad bitch. 1.00

00:01:50.000 Like, this bitch is crazy. 1.00

00:01:52.000 Or, this bitch is fine. 1.00

00:01:54.000 You know, you could say, this bitch is hot. 1.00

00:01:57.000 This bitch is cool. 1.00

00:01:58.000 That bitch is so cool. 1.00

00:01:59.000 Or you could say, oh my god, this girl's a bitch. 1.00

00:02:03.000 You know? 1.00

00:02:03.000 Yeah, the connotation's completely different. 1.00

00:02:05.000 There's so many of them.

00:02:06.000 There's so many different ones.

00:02:08.000 Words, man.

00:02:08.000 Words is a hard thing.

00:02:09.000 I remember one time Mickey Joe, Mickey Joe Shilling, Mickey Gall, Joe Shilling and I were talking about...

00:02:16.000 About words and perceptions and like your shirt.

00:02:19.000 Your shirt is green, right?

00:02:21.000 But if I were to be in your consciousness, well, I see your shirt and would I see it as red, but I know it as green?

00:02:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:29.000 Do we see the same colors as the same thing?

00:02:31.000 No, we don't.

00:02:32.000 You have no way of knowing, right?

00:02:33.000 Right.

00:02:34.000 I have no way of knowing. 0.99

00:02:35.000 Like some people are into weird shit, like yellow cars. 0.99

00:02:39.000 Right. 0.99

00:02:40.000 Right?

00:02:41.000 That's not weird, though.

00:02:42.000 That's weird.

00:02:43.000 For all the colors to paint a car. 0.98

00:02:45.000 Like, why the fuck do you want a yellow car? 0.94

00:02:48.000 Like a nice car. 0.99

00:02:50.000 Like, you see, like, a yellow Corvette. 0.99

00:02:52.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing to that Corvette? 0.98

00:02:54.000 I swear you were going to say something different. 0.99

00:02:56.000 I swear I was like... 1.00

00:02:56.000 People are into weird shit. 1.00

00:02:59.000 I thought you were going to say, like, scat or something. 1.00

00:03:01.000 Oh, well, they're definitely into that.

00:03:02.000 Yellow cars.

00:03:03.000 That's not so bad.

00:03:04.000 Yeah, but, I mean, I don't know what they're seeing.

00:03:06.000 Like, to me, a yellow car is like, ah, that's unfortunate.

00:03:09.000 You know, like, why would you do that color? 0.94

00:03:12.000 Like, maybe it was on sale because of the shitty color. 0.94

00:03:14.000 I think that... 0.98

00:03:16.000 So a yellow car should cost less.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:03:20.000 Unless you're just trying to make a point.

00:03:23.000 Your car is like a bumblebee or something.

00:03:25.000 You have black stripes and yellow.

00:03:28.000 See, that would be cool.

00:03:29.000 On a Bug, on a Mustang.

00:03:32.000 I don't know what else.

00:03:33.000 I think those are the only two cars that really should be yellow.

00:03:35.000 A Mustang?

00:03:37.000 Like if you're going to paint it with some flames on it.

00:03:39.000 I don't even like Mustangs.

00:03:41.000 You don't like Mustangs?

00:03:42.000 I'm not a big muscle car guy.

00:03:44.000 I do like sports cars.

00:03:45.000 I'm not crazy about muscle cars.

00:03:46.000 Somebody needs to indoctrinate you into the world of muscle cars.

00:03:49.000 I bet you just haven't seen the right ones.

00:03:50.000 You know, I think that comes from where I grew up.

00:03:54.000 Because...

00:03:55.000 You need a lot of open road for that.

00:03:57.000 We don't have that in the Baham.

00:03:58.000 Especially not where I'm from.

00:04:00.000 I'm not a big fan of choppers. 0.65

00:04:04.000 Those seem silly to me.

00:04:05.000 They seem like you can't turn.

00:04:07.000 Yeah.

00:04:07.000 I like crotch rockets and dirt bikes.

00:04:09.000 This shit drives me crazy. 1.00

00:04:11.000 The A-pandles. 1.00

00:04:13.000 For people just listening, they have handlebars that are above your fucking head. 1.00

00:04:19.000 Yeah, you're hanging. 0.99

00:04:20.000 You're driving around like this. 1.00

00:04:21.000 If you have to turn quick, you're fucked. 1.00

00:04:24.000 How can you get away from shit? 1.00

00:04:26.000 And once it goes bad, you're not going to recover. 0.99

00:04:29.000 Yeah, I would think they would have a secondary handlebar just so that you don't have to ride like that. 0.98

00:04:34.000 So you get tired, have some shit right over the gas tank. 0.90

00:04:37.000 That folds out. 0.99

00:04:37.000 We can do that. 0.99

00:04:38.000 We can patent that and make that and probably make millions of dollars.

00:04:41.000 I feel like crotch rockets seem safer because they're more maneuverable.

00:04:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:46.000 Like, you can handle those motherfuckers. 1.00

00:04:48.000 Like, those things move good. 1.00

00:04:49.000 Yeah, especially...

00:04:50.000 I mean, that's what they're designed for, right?

00:04:51.000 If you control it at high speed.

00:04:53.000 I saw this video of a motocross...

00:04:55.000 I don't know what you call it when crotch rockets are racing. 0.51

00:04:58.000 But these guys were racing, and this dude was like...

00:05:00.000 He was losing it.

00:05:01.000 And he got thrown off.

00:05:02.000 I saw that.

00:05:03.000 But he was on his knees.

00:05:04.000 He got sideways.

00:05:05.000 Yes.

00:05:05.000 He hung on there.

00:05:06.000 Man.

00:05:06.000 And he looks like he was still giving it the gas.

00:05:08.000 Yeah.

00:05:09.000 I don't know what the rules are on, like, cutting the track...

00:05:12.000 Right.

00:05:13.000 But, like, if he wasn't disqualified, that was a ninja move.

00:05:17.000 How do you get back on, though?

00:05:19.000 You have to slow down.

00:05:20.000 You have to, right?

00:05:22.000 You got to do a ninja move.

00:05:23.000 You got to hit the brake real hard, so you slam, and then your body shoots in the air, land back on the bike.

00:05:27.000 Yeah, like, hit the brake and pop your hips up at the same time.

00:05:31.000 Like something you see on the fast and furious.

00:05:32.000 I'm scared of bikes.

00:05:34.000 I don't know how to ride.

00:05:35.000 I mean, I can ride a bicycle, but I can't ride a motorcycle.

00:05:39.000 I've never ridden a crotch rocket.

00:05:41.000 I've only ridden scooters.

00:05:42.000 You know, they're making them electric now.

00:05:44.000 There's no gears.

00:05:45.000 It's just like a Tesla.

00:05:49.000 But, I don't know.

00:05:50.000 The whole thing about riding a bike is being able to control it, isn't it?

00:05:53.000 Well, you can still control the speed, but you're not going to be able to shift gears.

00:05:57.000 You don't have to do the shit with your left foot where you're going with the clutch and up and down and all that jazz. 0.96

00:06:02.000 You have to learn how to do that. 0.99

00:06:03.000 You don't have to do that with one of those things.

00:06:05.000 It's just...

00:06:05.000 Yeah, that'd be fucking ridiculously fast, too.

00:06:09.000 I feel like I would be like the guy on, you know, like when you go to Dave and Buster or something on the motorcycle video game. 0.83

00:06:16.000 In Europe, they're making cars, like electric cars, have noise.

00:06:20.000 You have to have noise like a regular car so that people can hear you. 0.99

00:06:24.000 That's dumb. 0.96

00:06:26.000 Well, yeah, I mean, you're not riding on the sidewalk, right? 1.00

00:06:30.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I guess it's if people are crossing streets and shit. 0.95

00:06:35.000 Maybe also, I don't know what the rules in Europe are for riding motorcycles, but I don't know. 0.81

00:06:40.000 Do you hear guys when they're riding in between lanes?

00:06:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:44.000 I don't hear them all the time.

00:06:45.000 There's a lot of times where you have to look...

00:06:48.000 In LA, that's such...

00:06:49.000 When I grew up in Boston, and you couldn't do that.

00:06:52.000 That's not legal.

00:06:53.000 Everybody has to stay in a lane.

00:06:54.000 Really?

00:06:55.000 Yeah.

00:06:55.000 In Texas, it's legal.

00:06:57.000 Oh, it's cut and split in lanes?

00:06:58.000 Yeah, so I don't know.

00:06:59.000 I wonder how often it's legal versus illegal.

00:07:02.000 Well, there's a lot of states that you don't have to wear helmets.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, Texas was one of them.

00:07:06.000 I don't know if that's changed.

00:07:07.000 I know Louisiana is one.

00:07:08.000 That's crazy.

00:07:09.000 That's crazy.

00:07:10.000 Last time I was in Miami, I was watching dudes fly by me on the highway with no helmet on.

00:07:13.000 Yeah.

00:07:14.000 I don't know, though.

00:07:15.000 I mean, do you want a helmet on?

00:07:17.000 You hit something at 90 miles an hour?

00:07:19.000 I don't know.

00:07:20.000 I mean, yes and no.

00:07:23.000 I think sometimes people make it.

00:07:26.000 You know?

00:07:27.000 Yeah.

00:07:28.000 But like, what about you get all that pain and then you die?

00:07:32.000 California remains the only state to allow lane splitting.

00:07:35.000 Wow!

00:07:36.000 So I guess it's no longer in time.

00:07:38.000 I think you can just do it whenever you want.

00:07:39.000 It's on the motorcyclist to take your own risk.

00:07:44.000 Oh, so in California it's legal.

00:07:46.000 Yeah.

00:07:47.000 But in all the other places, you just kind of do it?

00:07:50.000 Probably, yeah.

00:07:52.000 hmm yeah it's weird so it's immediately crossing the state line unless nobody crosses the state line it has texas gorgon and nevada here too i don't know maybe it's partially legal there or something certain cities areas yeah freeway maybe only or something Traffic laws, it's weird traffic laws being different, like so different in every state.

00:08:13.000 I was in Texas a couple days ago and I'm driving and I'm getting over because the cops pulled somebody over on the highway and the passenger, she's like, why are you getting over?

00:08:25.000 You don't have to do that.

00:08:26.000 But in Texas, you're supposed to.

00:08:28.000 If you can get over, you're supposed to get over and give them that lane berth.

00:08:31.000 Otherwise, you slow down to like 10 miles below the speed limit or whatever.

00:08:36.000 But like in D.C., Maryland, where she's from, it's like you don't have to do that.

00:08:42.000 But it's like if I'm from Maryland, I'm in Texas, and I do that, and then another cop's behind me, I'm getting a ticket.

00:08:48.000 Because if you don't know the law, it's still not their fault, right?

00:08:51.000 Right.

00:08:52.000 It's your fault for not knowing.

00:08:54.000 Did you see the Hong Kong protests that are going on?

00:08:57.000 No.

00:08:57.000 There's crazy protests going on in Hong Kong.

00:09:00.000 But what's amazing is there was an ambulance, and the ambulance was trying to...

00:09:05.000 I mean, there's giant crowds on the street. 0.97

00:09:07.000 I mean, fucking thousands, if not a million people, right? 0.98

00:09:11.000 They part like the sea for this ambulance. 1.00

00:09:14.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:09:15.000 Like, if that shit was happening in America, good luck. 1.00

00:09:18.000 You could blow that horn all you want. 1.00

00:09:20.000 What is this, Jamie?

00:09:21.000 We're going to have to run.

00:09:22.000 Oh, is this it?

00:09:24.000 Yeah.

00:09:26.000 Why does it say North Point and not like Chinese characters on the street?

00:09:30.000 Yeah.

00:09:31.000 You sure this is the one?

00:09:34.000 Hong Kong protesters block world made way for ambulance.

00:09:36.000 I saw an overhead shot of it.

00:09:38.000 It was more impressive because it was this giant sea of people and they all just made way and everybody got right the fuck out of the way for ambulances.

00:09:46.000 It's like when a predatory fish swims through like a small school.

00:09:50.000 Oh, here it is.

00:09:51.000 This is what I saw.

00:09:52.000 Yeah.

00:09:53.000 So these people just open up. 1.00

00:09:54.000 Good luck trying that shit in America. 1.00

00:09:58.000 I mean, these people are so polite. 1.00

00:10:01.000 Millions of protesters there.

00:10:03.000 Like two to three million or something.

00:10:05.000 Do you know what they're protesting over?

00:10:07.000 I can't.

00:10:07.000 There's so much outrage worldwide.

00:10:09.000 I can't keep track.

00:10:11.000 Man.

00:10:12.000 Yeah, there's stuff going on everywhere.

00:10:13.000 You see that?

00:10:14.000 There's stuff in Sudan right now.

00:10:16.000 Everywhere.

00:10:17.000 Every part of the world is up in arms.

00:10:20.000 Gaza. 1.00

00:10:20.000 There's a bunch of shit going on there right now. 1.00

00:10:22.000 That's been going on forever. 1.00

00:10:23.000 There's new, more recent shit. 0.99

00:10:27.000 It's exhausting. 1.00

00:10:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:28.000 Why can't people just not be assholes, right? 1.00

00:10:31.000 It's impossible. 0.99

00:10:32.000 That's why we need this mind reading software. 1.00

00:10:35.000 The problem with that is like, then you're just reading the mind of assholes. 1.00

00:10:39.000 Maybe. 1.00

00:10:40.000 Maybe, but maybe people can let you know.

00:10:42.000 Like, hey man, you don't have to think like that.

00:10:45.000 Your problem is the way you're thinking.

00:10:47.000 Because that's 90% of the problem with people is the way they think, and then they act on the way they think.

00:10:52.000 I don't know if it's 90%.

00:10:54.000 I'm not a mathematician.

00:10:55.000 I just threw that number out there.

00:10:57.000 The thing that popped up yesterday I showed you is sort of on the way to what you're talking about.

00:11:02.000 How your friends can play a video game together using only your minds.

00:11:05.000 Oh, okay.

00:11:06.000 This is what you were talking about after the show.

00:11:08.000 Telepathic communication.

00:11:09.000 Yeah, this is the future.

00:11:11.000 100%.

00:11:12.000 There's going to be a time where we share some sort of...

00:11:16.000 I think it's going to be some sort of a universal language.

00:11:19.000 They're going to create a language that's based on images or things that are...

00:11:27.000 Culturally, it could cross boundaries.

00:11:30.000 People from other countries are going to be able to understand it.

00:11:33.000 You'll be able to understand it.

00:11:34.000 It has Google Translate in it.

00:11:35.000 Yes, I really think that.

00:11:37.000 I think there's going to be a language.

00:11:39.000 Do you ever see someone's tweet?

00:11:40.000 I read tweets from people all the time from different countries. 0.98

00:11:44.000 It's kind of cool that you could see some Russian shit and then just say, translate the tweet. 0.98

00:11:49.000 And you get a chance to try to figure out what this guy's saying. 0.99

00:11:52.000 Yeah.

00:11:53.000 I've seen that a couple of times, especially with some of my teammates, friends, Brazilian guys.

00:11:59.000 They will have it in Portuguese, but they will also have it in English themselves.

00:12:03.000 Yeah, a lot of Brazilian guys do that.

00:12:04.000 But then when you translate it, it moves words that are already in the English translation.

00:12:10.000 It makes it screwed up.

00:12:11.000 It makes the grammar all messed up.

00:12:13.000 It's really weird.

00:12:15.000 I don't know why it even touches the English if you're bringing it to that language.

00:12:18.000 Yeah, that's the problem with languages, right?

00:12:20.000 Like, the way they say things is different.

00:12:23.000 So trying to translate something to English, you have to take some sort of editorial license.

00:12:26.000 You would have to move things around.

00:12:28.000 What you're trying to say is this.

00:12:29.000 You can't just translate it.

00:12:31.000 Yeah.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, especially because of, like, where we place, like, prepositions.

00:12:37.000 Like, there are some languages where they don't have the word off.

00:12:41.000 Like, they don't say, turn off the light.

00:12:43.000 It's like when they speak in English, they say, kill the light.

00:12:49.000 Well, that's the way.

00:12:50.000 I mean, you can still get it.

00:12:52.000 But yeah, if they don't have an off word.

00:12:54.000 Like, I would imagine that Asian language is going to be the hardest, right?

00:12:57.000 Because they have characters.

00:12:58.000 They don't even have letters.

00:13:01.000 Yeah, their alphabet is so much bigger.

00:13:04.000 And their characters can mean so many different things.

00:13:06.000 This little piece of a character combined with this changes each one individually.

00:13:11.000 It's like this one is water and this one is fire and you put them together and it's chocolate.

00:13:16.000 When you were fighting, how many different times did you travel overseas to fight?

00:13:23.000 Seven?

00:13:24.000 Six or seven?

00:13:25.000 Something like that.

00:13:25.000 What was the weirdest place?

00:13:27.000 Weirdest?

00:13:28.000 Most different was Japan. 0.96

00:13:30.000 Yeah.

00:13:30.000 But I wouldn't say it was weird.

00:13:32.000 Just different?

00:13:33.000 Just different.

00:13:34.000 Yeah.

00:13:34.000 Very different.

00:13:34.000 It was like being in the future sometimes.

00:13:37.000 Right?

00:13:37.000 Yeah, right?

00:13:38.000 Yeah.

00:13:38.000 In Tokyo.

00:13:39.000 Yeah.

00:13:40.000 I don't know.

00:13:41.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:13:42.000 The different things they do.

00:13:43.000 The weirdest thing about being over there was that pachinko game.

00:13:47.000 What's a pachinko game?

00:13:48.000 It's like these people, they play.

00:13:50.000 It's like a gambling game.

00:13:51.000 And they have these buckets of ball bearings.

00:13:55.000 And they put them in the game.

00:13:57.000 And I don't even know what the rules are, but you see older and middle-aged Japanese people, they just sit there for hours just playing, and you win, and it's like winning a slot. 1.00

00:14:08.000 It's like a slot machine, kind of.

00:14:10.000 So when you win, you get a bunch of these balls back.

00:14:13.000 I swear to you, I don't know, if Jamie pulled up something, I think it's P.A. Chenko?

00:14:18.000 Oh, sorry, here's a guy who's Japan's biggest gaming obsession explained, Pachinko.

00:14:24.000 They're like putting ball bearings in there and they just go for hours.

00:14:27.000 There's so many people wearing masks.

00:14:30.000 That's the other weird thing about Asia, right? 0.98

00:14:32.000 A lot of people like to wear those masks.

00:14:35.000 So that's the game?

00:14:37.000 This weird...

00:14:40.000 How's it work?

00:14:41.000 Did you play it?

00:14:42.000 No, I mean, I don't know what you're trying to do.

00:14:46.000 Like, everything's in Japanese.

00:14:47.000 That's the currency for the game.

00:14:49.000 What?

00:14:49.000 Those ball bearings.

00:14:50.000 I really don't understand.

00:14:52.000 I can't believe I'm just finding out about this.

00:14:54.000 And you will see somebody sitting there, and they will have buckets, like...

00:14:58.000 Like this big, like square, rectangular buckets, and they'll have like two or three stacks of them next to them, and they just reach down, drop them in the machine, and that's how they play.

00:15:07.000 I don't know what they're doing, though.

00:15:08.000 I don't understand it at all. 1.00

00:15:10.000 I want to play it, but then I'm like, it looks stupid. 0.97

00:15:12.000 I don't want to win ball bearings. 0.97

00:15:13.000 What am I going to do?

00:15:14.000 Put it in my car? 1.00

00:15:15.000 Yeah, what the fuck? 1.00

00:15:17.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:15:18.000 It's so strange.

00:15:19.000 A bucket.

00:15:19.000 This guy's just taking fists of ball bearings and throwing them into this machine.

00:15:24.000 And then they're bouncing around like a pinball machine turned up on its side.

00:15:29.000 Yeah, I don't understand it at all.

00:15:31.000 I don't know.

00:15:32.000 Like, what's the value on those ball bearings?

00:15:36.000 Dude, I don't.

00:15:37.000 Look, every time I go to Vegas, every time I go through a casino, I freak out.

00:15:41.000 I just see those people.

00:15:42.000 I feel like they're wasting their life. 1.00

00:15:45.000 Playing those goddamn slot machines. 1.00

00:15:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:48.000 The first time I fought in Vegas, I played a slot machine.

00:15:54.000 That was the first time I gambled.

00:15:56.000 In the Bahamas, when I was growing up, also Bahamians couldn't even gamble in the Bahamas.

00:16:00.000 But then I came here, and I was in Vegas, and I was like, I want to play slots, but I was against gambling, so I played the nickel slots for a while.

00:16:08.000 I want 20 bucks on the nickel slots.

00:16:10.000 I'm shaking my winnings in people's faces.

00:16:12.000 That's hilarious.

00:16:13.000 You got to go to Circus Circus or someplace to play the nickel slots.

00:16:17.000 Yeah.

00:16:17.000 You ever go to that place?

00:16:19.000 Yeah, I've stayed at Circus Circus before.

00:16:20.000 That's a window into history.

00:16:23.000 I go to Circus Circus every time I go to Vegas with my kids because my youngest daughter likes going there. 1.00

00:16:29.000 She likes playing all those stupid carnival games. 1.00

00:16:31.000 She thinks it's hilarious. 1.00

00:16:33.000 She's nine, you know?

00:16:34.000 Yep.

00:16:35.000 So she likes shooting water at the thing and the balloon pops and all that stuff.

00:16:38.000 So we always go there.

00:16:40.000 And then they do like a circus show where they have like a clown and trapeze artists.

00:16:45.000 But it's like, no disrespect, but it's kind of second rate.

00:16:49.000 You know, like the trapeze guy's got a gut.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, I mean, especially when you come here.

00:16:55.000 You know, he's a little thick around the middle.

00:16:58.000 His best days are flipping around through the air over.

00:17:01.000 He's got, yeah, the big gut, the long arms.

00:17:04.000 Stretch down arms.

00:17:06.000 Yeah.

00:17:06.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:17:08.000 Especially when you say second-rate, especially when you compare it to Blue Man Group or what's going on at Mandalay or NGM or something.

00:17:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:17.000 But I mean, A, you're still on the Strip.

00:17:21.000 You're not on Fremont.

00:17:23.000 Fremont is like second-rate Vegas, right?

00:17:27.000 Yeah.

00:17:27.000 It's very different.

00:17:28.000 Very weird.

00:17:29.000 I remember...

00:17:31.000 I know I'm going to probably catch some flack for this, but I got to tell you this story.

00:17:35.000 I was there one time, and I'm telling my friends about...

00:17:38.000 I'm like, this is weird, because I've never really been to Fremont until this time in Vegas.

00:17:43.000 And I was like, man, why aren't we on the strip?

00:17:46.000 This is just so weird being out here.

00:17:47.000 I was there for some fights.

00:17:48.000 I was like, everything is just a little different.

00:17:50.000 I mean, everything's really different.

00:17:53.000 I mean, look, even the women. 1.00

00:17:54.000 Look at that girl. 1.00

00:17:55.000 She has a great body, right? 0.90

00:17:58.000 She's so fine.

00:17:59.000 Then she turned around, and she's like...

00:18:01.000 Her face is just ruined.

00:18:03.000 It's not my fault.

00:18:04.000 She wasn't attractive to me. 0.95

00:18:05.000 I'm sure she's attractive to somebody. 1.00

00:18:08.000 It's hard to say that these days.

00:18:09.000 You used to be able to say, someone's ugly. 0.88

00:18:11.000 You can still say a dude's ugly. 0.64

00:18:13.000 Nobody gives you a hard time. 0.99

00:18:14.000 You can still say a dude's fat or a dude's ugly. 0.83

00:18:16.000 Everybody's like, fine. 0.98

00:18:17.000 People call me fat all the time.

00:18:19.000 No one has a problem with that. 0.97

00:18:20.000 Fat and ugly for a guy is fine. 0.97

00:18:23.000 But if you say a girl's fat, you're body shaming. 1.00

00:18:26.000 If you say she's ugly, you're a fucking sexist piece of shit and you're objectifying her. 1.00

00:18:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:33.000 It's really hard.

00:18:34.000 I mean, like there was this lady who's a singer. 1.00

00:18:38.000 Her name is Lizzo, right?

00:18:39.000 Big lady, a bigger lady, plus size woman, right? 1.00

00:18:43.000 Right.

00:18:44.000 Is she that woman that was on the BET Awards?

00:18:46.000 Yes. 1.00

00:18:46.000 She's fucking talented. 1.00

00:18:49.000 Yes. 1.00

00:18:49.000 Woo! 1.00

00:18:50.000 See, here's the thing.

00:18:53.000 Yeah, she's a plus-sized woman. 1.00

00:18:56.000 Some people think that's overweight, but I'm like, she's not obese.

00:18:59.000 I mean, she's grotesquely obese. 1.00

00:19:03.000 I guess that's how you say it.

00:19:04.000 She's not grossly obese.

00:19:05.000 She could lose a few pounds.

00:19:06.000 She could, if she wanted to.

00:19:07.000 If she wanted to.

00:19:09.000 There's definitely plenty of guys in the world who that suits.

00:19:14.000 There are some guys my size who that suits.

00:19:16.000 There are some guys who are linebacker or lineman size who that suits.

00:19:22.000 Nobody complains about the petite woman, but what about the big linebacker guy who's into petite women?

00:19:28.000 You know that dude, the Mountain from Game of Thrones?

00:19:31.000 His girlfriend or his wife or whatever she is, she's like three feet tall. 1.00

00:19:36.000 And he's a fucking giant. 1.00

00:19:38.000 Yeah, you see that sometimes. 1.00

00:19:40.000 I think the guy that played Chewbacca, the original Chewbacca, I think his wife was a tiny woman. 0.92

00:19:46.000 Not like a midget or anything, but... 1.00

00:19:48.000 I'm in trouble now.

00:19:52.000 Yeah, that's the mountain.

00:19:54.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:54.000 Actually, you know what?

00:19:56.000 She might be normal size. 0.99

00:19:58.000 Yeah, he's a big guy. 0.99

00:19:59.000 Because he's so fucking big. 0.99

00:20:00.000 She's got heels on there at a gala. 1.00

00:20:03.000 But he's so fucking big. 0.99

00:20:06.000 Like that right there. 0.99

00:20:07.000 That looks like me with my nine-year-old.

00:20:09.000 Yeah.

00:20:09.000 It does.

00:20:10.000 It does. 0.99

00:20:11.000 Height-wise, that guy's so goddamn big, it's ridiculous. 0.99

00:20:14.000 Like if you cut off his body where her head is, he would still probably be twice her size. 0.99

00:20:19.000 Twice her weight. 0.96

00:20:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:21.000 For sure.

00:20:22.000 Yeah.

00:20:23.000 The big fella.

00:20:26.000 Yeah, he's always entering. 0.99

00:20:27.000 Those strongman competitions are the most ridiculous thing to watch. 0.95

00:20:31.000 You know, whenever I'm like bored flipping through the channels and I catch some dude throwing a beer barrel over a fucking pole, you know, it's like there's always a suspended pole and they're throwing it over the top of like a high jump pole. 0.99

00:20:44.000 It's so ridiculous. 0.81

00:20:46.000 Yeah, I mean, but those type of competitions, you talk about, like, there's that, and then you have that for the athletic or dynamic people, like American Ninja Warrior. 0.99

00:20:55.000 Yeah, oh, that's fucking interesting, man. 0.89

00:20:58.000 Those Ninja Warrior shows are crazy. 0.99

00:21:01.000 You watch those guys, and you go, that is some serious fucking athleticism people do that. 0.91

00:21:05.000 Yeah, that's a whole sport now. 0.96

00:21:08.000 They create gyms based around that, and people are training for it.

00:21:12.000 People are training for the trials.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, I can imagine.

00:21:18.000 I'd like to know who's the best at that weight class-wise.

00:21:21.000 I bet it's guys that are like 160 pounds and under.

00:21:24.000 Yeah.

00:21:25.000 Because you could carry yourself easily.

00:21:27.000 We did a stunt on Fear Factor once where they were off a bridge and they had to just hold themselves on a chin-up bar over a bridge and the girls all beat the guys.

00:21:40.000 Wait, they were...

00:21:41.000 They were just hanging.

00:21:42.000 Just hanging?

00:21:43.000 Not pulling themselves...

00:21:44.000 Nope.

00:21:44.000 Oh, okay.

00:21:44.000 Just hanging.

00:21:45.000 Huh.

00:21:46.000 Just holding on.

00:21:47.000 The girls all beat the guys. 0.99

00:21:49.000 All three guys fell.

00:21:50.000 Now, it was like...

00:21:51.000 Part of me was like... 1.00

00:21:52.000 Maybe these guys are just bitches. 1.00

00:21:54.000 But part of me was like... 1.00

00:21:55.000 Well, the thing is...

00:21:56.000 Like, the guys...

00:21:57.000 They're pretty big dudes.

00:21:59.000 They're all around 200 plus pounds.

00:22:02.000 And, you know...

00:22:03.000 That's a lot of weight in your hands.

00:22:05.000 And the girls are like... 1.00

00:22:06.000 120...

00:22:07.000 110...

00:22:08.000 105...

00:22:09.000 It's not as much weight.

00:22:12.000 There's a genetic thing between men and women where there's some things that, like, we see these in sports and whatnot.

00:22:19.000 There are some sports that are just much more fun to watch when men are playing. 0.99

00:22:22.000 There's some sports that are much more fun when women are playing. 1.00

00:22:24.000 There's some sports that are both, right?

00:22:25.000 Right.

00:22:25.000 But there's something, I forget the test exactly, but it's something about leaning over and picking up a cheer.

00:22:31.000 There's a certain posture that you're in, and men can't do it, but women can. 0.99

00:22:35.000 Huh.

00:22:36.000 Like you can't, but it's like a folding chair, like very, very light chair.

00:22:41.000 I don't know.

00:22:42.000 Leaning over and picking up a chair?

00:22:44.000 Yeah, so like you're leaning, I think you press your head onto the wall, but arch your back in a certain way, and you just have to use like your lats basically to pick up the chair, and men can't do it. 0.55

00:22:54.000 Really?

00:22:55.000 Yeah.

00:22:55.000 How weird.

00:22:56.000 Yeah, it's like a center of gravity test.

00:22:58.000 I remember doing this when I was younger.

00:22:59.000 Oh, you know, my daughter tried to show me this the other day, trying to get me to touch my toes, keep my back flat against the wall, with the back of my legs against the wall, and go down and touch your toes.

00:23:09.000 You just fall forward.

00:23:11.000 See, I had it all backwards. 0.99

00:23:13.000 You put your butt against the wall, not your head. 0.98

00:23:15.000 I'm just not used to sticking my butt up against stuff. 0.98

00:23:21.000 Let me see that.

00:23:22.000 Let me see.

00:23:22.000 Tricks guys can't do.

00:23:24.000 Stand three feet away from a wall, bend over, put your head against the wall, now try to stand up while lifting a chair.

00:23:29.000 Oh, no, you had it.

00:23:30.000 There's a couple different things.

00:23:32.000 It's all based around the center of gravity, though.

00:23:35.000 Yeah, that's the one I'm going to try.

00:23:36.000 I feel like I could do that.

00:23:38.000 That's what I said.

00:23:40.000 Yeah.

00:23:41.000 I mean, I don't think I'm being cocky and saying I could do that.

00:23:43.000 But what if a guy's got, like, really good core strength?

00:23:46.000 I don't think it has to do with your core.

00:23:48.000 Just nothing to do with that?

00:23:48.000 Yeah.

00:23:49.000 Just all about center of gravity?

00:23:50.000 Yeah, because I think, not most guys, but you take a bunch of fit guys, they have a good, strong core.

00:23:57.000 They can't do it.

00:23:57.000 And they can't do it.

00:23:59.000 Like, you take some average woman... 1.00

00:24:01.000 Congratulations on your victory, ladies.

00:24:03.000 You got us on one.

00:24:06.000 Yeah.

00:24:07.000 I don't want to...

00:24:09.000 That's one of those sensitive subjects where I'm like, I don't want to say anything smart-ass or anything any kind of way because I get myself in trouble.

00:24:16.000 So much trouble to get into today.

00:24:18.000 So many different things people get mad and upset about.

00:24:21.000 They did a test with the way that men and women do a one-legged squat. 0.95

00:24:27.000 And I guess the way that each of us would go down is completely different when you break it all the way down to that move.

00:24:33.000 Oh, so like the mechanics?

00:24:34.000 Yeah.

00:24:34.000 Is that because of the hips?

00:24:35.000 Muscle structure, everything.

00:24:37.000 Yeah, it probably is that.

00:24:39.000 But with women, it's so different the way the shape of their hips, the mechanics. 1.00

00:24:44.000 Women kicking, that's one. 1.00

00:24:46.000 For every Valentina Shevchenko that can knock someone out with one kick, You would think that a woman, right, take a 140-pound woman who is carrying 140 pounds with her legs all the time, going up flights of stairs, running, doing all these different plyometrics and shit, you would think that bitch could be able to kick a fucking hole through you. 1.00

00:25:04.000 See, there's another use of the word bitch. 1.00

00:25:06.000 That's okay. 0.98

00:25:07.000 That, it's out of respect.

00:25:09.000 That's not derogatory.

00:25:11.000 But no.

00:25:13.000 If you see a girl kick a bag, there's a giant difference between a 140-pound girl kicking a bag and a 140-pound guy. 1.00

00:25:20.000 Big difference.

00:25:21.000 And now is it mostly technique or is it biological?

00:25:26.000 I think it's biomechanics.

00:25:27.000 I think it's technique.

00:25:28.000 I think it's just muscles.

00:25:30.000 They're just built different.

00:25:31.000 There's just different muscles.

00:25:34.000 Like the hips are like this, right? 0.97

00:25:36.000 A woman's hips, especially if a woman has wide hips, right? 1.00

00:25:38.000 Their hips go out wide and their legs kind of go in a little bit. 1.00

00:25:41.000 I wonder if that's responsible for the...

00:25:44.000 What do they call that?

00:25:45.000 The male spread?

00:25:47.000 When dudes sit on a subway.

00:25:50.000 And they spread the legs. 1.00

00:25:51.000 They manspread.

00:25:52.000 Yeah.

00:25:52.000 They manspread.

00:25:53.000 And people get real mad because they want to sit next to you.

00:25:56.000 Yeah.

00:25:56.000 And your legs are all splayed out.

00:25:58.000 You're being rude.

00:25:59.000 But if a dude has no one next to them, that's how they sit.

00:26:02.000 Yeah.

00:26:03.000 Their legs spread.

00:26:03.000 I don't think women sit like that.

00:26:05.000 I don't think it goes that way.

00:26:09.000 I don't like sitting like that.

00:26:13.000 I've sat and coached most of my life.

00:26:17.000 It's uncomfortable.

00:26:18.000 When you have to sit like that for an extended amount of time, it gets really uncomfortable.

00:26:23.000 With your legs pinned together?

00:26:24.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:26:25.000 Yeah, and then there are some ties, but after a while, you just feel uncomfortable inside your pants.

00:26:29.000 You had to move stuff around.

00:26:31.000 You can't even open your legs to do that.

00:26:34.000 But with women, I think that's a normal way to sit. 1.00

00:26:37.000 I think their body naturally, with their hips in the shape that they are, their legs kind of go towards each other.

00:26:43.000 They kind of point towards the knees.

00:26:45.000 It's more normal for them to sit with their legs together, I think.

00:26:49.000 Does that make sense?

00:26:50.000 It makes sense.

00:26:51.000 I wonder if it has to do with anything, the equipment down there.

00:26:56.000 Yeah, it probably has to do with not wanting to be a hoe, right? 1.00

00:26:59.000 I don't want to say.

00:27:00.000 Sit like this with your leg spread.

00:27:02.000 If a dude sits like that, that's a confident man. 1.00

00:27:04.000 But if a girl's sitting there with a leg spread, like, look at this bitch. 1.00

00:27:07.000 There's another use of the word bitch. 1.00

00:27:09.000 This is in a scientific article explaining man spreading. 0.97

00:27:12.000 This is a spinal neurosurgeon's explanation.

00:27:15.000 Thank you, spinal neurosurgeon.

00:27:17.000 The overall width of the pelvis is relatively greater in females and the angle of the femoral neck is more acute.

00:27:24.000 These factors could play a role in making a position of sitting with the knees close together less comfortable for men.

00:27:31.000 Exactly.

00:27:32.000 So all you man-spreading people that are shaming men for sitting in a natural way, how dare you?

00:27:38.000 You should be ashamed of yourself.

00:27:40.000 Yeah, I'm offended.

00:27:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:42.000 I can't wait until women have all the power so we can just start shitting on them. 1.00

00:27:47.000 Here's the subtle thing about that. 1.00

00:27:50.000 They kind of do, right?

00:27:51.000 I have some.

00:27:52.000 It's like, who's the world champion of your house?

00:27:55.000 Yeah, but that's just happy wife, happy life. 1.00

00:27:58.000 That's how you have to run that shit. 1.00

00:28:01.000 I've never seen another situation where it works. 1.00

00:28:04.000 Or you have some woman who's just afraid.

00:28:08.000 She can't talk.

00:28:10.000 You don't want that either.

00:28:11.000 No. 1.00

00:28:12.000 That shit's not healthy. 1.00

00:28:13.000 It's not healthy. 1.00

00:28:14.000 How do you enjoy that?

00:28:15.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:28:15.000 You have to be a sick fuck. 1.00

00:28:19.000 My house is zero design by me. 1.00

00:28:22.000 There's no decorations of mine.

00:28:23.000 I have one mounted elk head.

00:28:26.000 That's it.

00:28:26.000 The first elk I ever shot with a bow and arrow I have mounted.

00:28:29.000 That's it.

00:28:30.000 Everything else.

00:28:32.000 I don't care.

00:28:33.000 It looks good.

00:28:33.000 The first time I came through, you gave me some elk meat.

00:28:36.000 I made spaghetti out of it.

00:28:38.000 It was some of the best spaghetti I made.

00:28:41.000 Super good for your body, man.

00:28:42.000 Really good. 1.00

00:28:43.000 If you could eat that shit all the time. 1.00

00:28:44.000 If you lived around here, I'd hook you up all the time. 1.00

00:28:46.000 Yeah, I used to.

00:28:47.000 When I get back, I'm just going to start hitting you up asking you for elk meat.

00:28:50.000 How long are you in town for?

00:28:52.000 I leave in the morning.

00:28:53.000 Do you have a place to cook tonight?

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:57.000 I got some food for you.

00:28:58.000 Okay.

00:28:59.000 I got some elk sausage that's out of this fucking world. 0.99

00:29:01.000 All right. 0.99

00:29:02.000 Oh, it's good.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, I'm completely down, man.

00:29:04.000 The first time, I was a little hesitant because I was like, well, this didn't come from the store.

00:29:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:11.000 But then I took it home.

00:29:13.000 I made it up, and I was just like, oh, man.

00:29:15.000 The flavor is so different.

00:29:17.000 The flavor is different.

00:29:18.000 The texture is different.

00:29:20.000 I don't know.

00:29:21.000 I wanted more.

00:29:22.000 It's alive.

00:29:22.000 I mean, in terms of when you're eating it, it just feels like it's got energy.

00:29:26.000 It's got power.

00:29:28.000 Yeah, like it tastes like it had a good life.

00:29:30.000 Yeah, man, like, if you're eating some, like, a pig that lives in a pen, like, oh, sad.

00:29:38.000 It's just sadness.

00:29:39.000 Yeah.

00:29:40.000 You're eating an elk, especially if it didn't know you were there.

00:29:43.000 Like, that elk had no idea you were there until that arrow hit its ribcage, and then it's dead in seconds.

00:29:48.000 That thing lived a noble life.

00:29:50.000 Yeah.

00:29:50.000 And that's the best way it's ever going to die.

00:29:52.000 I mean, if you're an elk, you don't want to get caught in a valley with some wolves.

00:29:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:29:57.000 That shit's rough. 1.00

00:29:58.000 That's a rough way to go. 1.00

00:29:59.000 I was talking to you, buddy Jeff, earlier about that.

00:30:04.000 Like, you got a choice.

00:30:07.000 Of course, it's hypothetical.

00:30:08.000 You got a choice.

00:30:09.000 You're going to get mauled by a bear, a gorilla, or die by a wolf or a tiger.

00:30:16.000 What do you choose? 1.00

00:30:16.000 I take the gorilla all day because I think he's just going to beat your ass. 1.00

00:30:19.000 I don't think he's going to kill you because I don't think he wants to eat you. 1.00

00:30:23.000 But the premise of the question is you're going to die. 0.96

00:30:25.000 Hmm. 1.00

00:30:26.000 Yeah, than the tiger, because the tiger's going to get your neck and kill you quick. 0.99

00:30:30.000 That's my choice, also. 0.90

00:30:31.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:30:32.000 Did you see the video of the tiger chasing the dudes on the motorbike?

00:30:35.000 No.

00:30:36.000 Oh, in India? 0.99

00:30:38.000 It's horrific. 1.00

00:30:40.000 Fucking dudes are driving on this road in this wildlife preserve, and this tiger comes full clip, chasing them out of the jungle, and just bails off at the last second. 1.00

00:30:49.000 That scares the shit out of me. 1.00

00:30:51.000 It should. 1.00

00:30:52.000 It's fucking horrific. 1.00

00:30:54.000 They're so fast, dude. 1.00

00:30:55.000 Like, what do you do?

00:30:57.000 Right?

00:30:57.000 What can you do?

00:30:58.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:31:00.000 Unless you have a gun. 0.99

00:31:00.000 You're so weak. 0.99

00:31:01.000 There's not much you can do.

00:31:02.000 But then when you think about that, you think about Africa, you think about India, you think about these places where lions and tigers exist and people have existed since the beginning of time.

00:31:12.000 At some point, someone had to win that, right?

00:31:16.000 Just numbers, just population numbers.

00:31:18.000 Here's the video. 1.00

00:31:19.000 Check this shit out. 1.00

00:31:19.000 You're going to freak out. 1.00

00:31:22.000 I don't need to see her, Jamie.

00:31:23.000 Here it is.

00:31:24.000 So these guys are on this bike.

00:31:25.000 Look at this thing.

00:31:26.000 Look at this thing.

00:31:28.000 He just tried.

00:31:29.000 He tried. 0.99

00:31:30.000 Now, the reason why this is significant is because in India, tigers eat people all the fucking time. 0.99

00:31:37.000 They eat them all the time. 0.99

00:31:38.000 There's tigers that target human beings.

00:31:41.000 There's a place in India called the Sundarbans.

00:31:44.000 And the Sundarbans, it's near this river that they think that one of the reasons why the tigers are so irritable is that they're drinking this river water.

00:31:52.000 And the river water has a high degree of salt in it.

00:31:55.000 High level of salt.

00:31:57.000 And so they're irritated all the time.

00:31:59.000 Yeah.

00:31:59.000 They're just in agony.

00:32:00.000 And they're particularly vicious.

00:32:01.000 And over the last 200 years, tigers have killed more than 300,000 human beings in this one part of India.

00:32:10.000 Why do you still live there?

00:32:12.000 They're poor.

00:32:13.000 I'm giving that place to the tigers.

00:32:16.000 I see that.

00:32:18.000 I see that video and I imagine being that guy on that bike.

00:32:21.000 And like...

00:32:23.000 You know what a bike seat is like, right?

00:32:25.000 Yeah. 0.84

00:32:25.000 Can you imagine being on a bike seat with like, I'm shitting myself. 0.84

00:32:30.000 Yeah, for sure. 1.00

00:32:30.000 If you have any shit in your body, it's going to come out. 1.00

00:32:34.000 There's no way you win that. 1.00

00:32:35.000 Nope.

00:32:36.000 There's no way you win that.

00:32:37.000 Not today.

00:32:38.000 No, you don't win.

00:32:39.000 You only win by being on a motorcycle and getting away.

00:32:42.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 The fact they got a video of it, though.

00:32:44.000 Yeah.

00:32:45.000 I hope he had a GoPro on.

00:32:46.000 He's just like riding.

00:32:48.000 Hey! 0.99

00:32:49.000 Listen, they get got all the time.

00:32:52.000 All the time.

00:32:53.000 Especially in India.

00:32:55.000 India, I think, is the worst place in the world for tiger and human interactions.

00:33:00.000 I don't get that.

00:33:01.000 Like, are the tigers in India bigger or smaller?

00:33:05.000 They're just tigers.

00:33:06.000 Yeah, I know it doesn't matter the size.

00:33:09.000 They're either like 300 or 500 pounds or something like that.

00:33:12.000 I think the biggest tigers are in Siberia.

00:33:15.000 Okay.

00:33:16.000 I think that's the case.

00:33:18.000 Usually with mammals...

00:33:20.000 What happens is the same species, when they're in a hotter climate, tend to be smaller, depends on the animal obviously, than they are in the colder climates.

00:33:31.000 It has something to do with preserving body temperature, like deer for instance.

00:33:37.000 If you get a whitetail deer from Texas, it's much smaller than a whitetail deer from Saskatchewan.

00:33:43.000 It's the same species, but way up north, it's just colder and they'll grow like 300 pounds up there, whereas a big whitetail in Texas is like half that size.

00:33:53.000 Yeah.

00:33:55.000 Yeah, that's people too, right?

00:33:57.000 There are certain places where people are just larger.

00:33:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:34:00.000 The mountain guy from Game of Thrones, that motherfucker. 0.99

00:34:03.000 I guess they had a controversial moment at the end of last year into this year. 0.99

00:34:07.000 They had a tiger that was known for killing 13 people or more.

00:34:11.000 And so they had a shoot to kill target on it.

00:34:15.000 Yeah.

00:34:15.000 And I guess someone got it.

00:34:16.000 And people were mad?

00:34:18.000 People were mad.

00:34:19.000 Sigh.

00:34:20.000 It killed 13 people and people are mad that someone killed it. 1.00

00:34:23.000 People are just fucking weak. 1.00

00:34:25.000 They're just so soft. 1.00

00:34:26.000 What if you got the wrong tiger? 1.00

00:34:28.000 Fuck him. 1.00

00:34:28.000 Fuck them all. 1.00

00:34:30.000 Anyone that you get a chance to kill that's close enough to kill you, kill them. 1.00

00:34:35.000 Man, I think I can't get that video of the tiger chasing that bike out of my head. 1.00

00:34:40.000 Because that's another thing.

00:34:43.000 Those things, they're so coordinated.

00:34:45.000 That thing at full speed can take a swipe at that back tire. 1.00

00:34:48.000 And just... 0.97

00:34:49.000 And then you're screwed. 0.92

00:34:51.000 Like, what do you do? 0.90

00:34:52.000 Like, what's your first reaction going to be?

00:34:54.000 Like, get up and try and get back on the bike?

00:34:56.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:34:57.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:34:58.000 There's no way you get the bike going in time.

00:35:00.000 The tiger would be on you so fast.

00:35:02.000 I mean, they can run. 1.00

00:35:03.000 They could probably run 40 miles an hour, those fucking things. 1.00

00:35:06.000 And it's probably 400 pounds, 500 pounds. 1.00

00:35:10.000 400 pounds of something.

00:35:12.000 An animal is 400-something pounds and runs at twice the speed of Usain Bolt.

00:35:18.000 Yeah.

00:35:21.000 How is that fair?

00:35:22.000 I mean, that's why there's not a million deer.

00:35:26.000 The reason why there's not a million deer in that same spot is because of those tigers.

00:35:31.000 They need them.

00:35:32.000 I was in Lanai, which is one of the smaller islands in Hawaii, hunting Axis deer.

00:35:40.000 And the Axis deer were given to King Kamehameha of Hawaii, like in the 1800s.

00:35:46.000 And when we were over there, you know, you bow hunt these things.

00:35:50.000 And I'm telling you, you've never seen a deer move this fast.

00:35:53.000 The reason why they're so fast is they evolved to get away from tigers.

00:35:58.000 So when they see you, they make this noise like... 0.99

00:36:01.000 And then they fucking scatter. 0.99

00:36:04.000 And they're so fast. 0.99

00:36:05.000 It's hilarious to watch.

00:36:07.000 Like, wow.

00:36:08.000 They're so fast.

00:36:09.000 When you say that, my brain just starts doing the math and I'm like...

00:36:13.000 Of course, the ones that got caught by the tigers are the slower ones.

00:36:17.000 So the fastest ones are mating.

00:36:20.000 I can only imagine.

00:36:22.000 It's kind of like a female Olympic sprinter. 1.00

00:36:29.000 Marries a running back and they have a kid.

00:36:32.000 Woo! 0.99

00:36:33.000 Yeah!

00:36:34.000 Look, genetics are real.

00:36:35.000 I mean, that's one of the reasons why America's becoming softer and softer.

00:36:39.000 Is because what are you getting? 1.00

00:36:40.000 You're getting people that sit at a desk all day with fucking herniated discs and a fat belly. 1.00

00:36:45.000 Drinking coffee and eating donuts and they marry someone who's just like them and they barely get their shit together and they have a kid who watches video games all day and eats cookies and he's gross and then he marries another girl who's like that and next thing you know, you go through this four, five, six generations, you get piss-poor genes. 0.99

00:37:05.000 I just recently went home to the Bahamas and I'm starting to miss it more and more and more because as I get older, I long for the things that I did as a little kid. 0.97

00:37:17.000 I long for the places that I was at as a little kid.

00:37:20.000 And so my family's from this little place called Farmerski Exuma that's three quarters of a mile by seven eighths.

00:37:25.000 I think I told you that before.

00:37:27.000 And it's tiny.

00:37:27.000 And I was there this time.

00:37:29.000 And just seeing, just waking up every morning and just looking out the window and just blue ocean all day.

00:37:36.000 I just, I want to go back there.

00:37:38.000 The people that live there, like you get a boat at like 14, 15 years old.

00:37:42.000 Because there's really nothing that you can do on the island other than interact with your family and fish, right?

00:37:48.000 Everything that you need, staple-wise.

00:37:50.000 You have to go somewhere else to get her.

00:37:52.000 It has to be brought in.

00:37:53.000 So I have a cousin who...

00:37:56.000 He's older than me.

00:37:57.000 He's like my grandmother's generation, but he's my cousin.

00:38:00.000 He's like four years older than me.

00:38:02.000 But this guy, he free dives.

00:38:04.000 And he will go down and he will hang out on the water for like two or three minutes with a spear.

00:38:10.000 He doesn't like to scuba.

00:38:12.000 He doesn't like to take a tank with him.

00:38:14.000 One time we're fishing off the back of the boat.

00:38:16.000 He's off the front.

00:38:18.000 And then on top of that, he's in the water.

00:38:21.000 And he comes out of the water and he reaches up and he says, hey Julian, bring the boat over here.

00:38:25.000 It's a shark.

00:38:27.000 And then he goes back down.

00:38:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:31.000 There's a shark in the water near him.

00:38:32.000 Probably a reef shark.

00:38:34.000 And he's got his spear and he's just like, just get closer but I'm still fishing.

00:38:38.000 Like, that's the life. 0.99

00:38:40.000 So he just wants to be able to get out if shit goes sideways. 0.99

00:38:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:43.000 I'm assuming, but I'm like...

00:38:44.000 He's not scared.

00:38:45.000 Would you think that it would be safer to be in the water or on top of the water if there was a shark? 0.98

00:38:51.000 Like, if you had goggles, you could see the motherfucker, wouldn't you want to be in the water? 0.97

00:38:55.000 Rather than on top and not knowing where he's coming from? 0.99

00:38:58.000 I would think so.

00:38:59.000 I would think so, but then you, like, not only is it 360, but it's like universal.

00:39:04.000 The view is universal, right?

00:39:05.000 Right.

00:39:05.000 But if you're on top of the water and you can see, at least, it's like you got your back to the wall.

00:39:11.000 Yeah.

00:39:11.000 You can't come from the top.

00:39:12.000 That's true.

00:39:13.000 So.

00:39:13.000 That's true.

00:39:14.000 I don't know.

00:39:15.000 But at the same time, you're in the water with an animal who's...

00:39:19.000 That's his natural habitat.

00:39:20.000 Yeah.

00:39:20.000 Like, you can't even turn around nearly as fast as he can.

00:39:23.000 He can probably swim around you and come up from the back before you can even turn around.

00:39:27.000 Yeah, probably.

00:39:28.000 Yeah. 0.85

00:39:29.000 They swim pretty fucking fast.

00:39:30.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:39:31.000 They're like ninjas in the water.

00:39:33.000 They're clean-up crew, just like that tiger.

00:39:37.000 I, um...

00:39:38.000 So, my girlfriend and I were there, and I was, um...

00:39:41.000 Feeding the turtles, right?

00:39:43.000 So I try to grab a turtle, and literally the turtle is this big.

00:39:46.000 It's no bigger than this.

00:39:47.000 And I'm about to pick it up.

00:39:49.000 I'm trying to pick it up.

00:39:49.000 This being like...

00:39:51.000 Explain to people.

00:39:51.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:39:52.000 Yeah, probably like...

00:39:54.000 A trash can lid?

00:39:55.000 Yeah, a trash can lid.

00:39:56.000 No bigger than a trash can lid.

00:39:58.000 And I am trying to pick it up, and before I can get it out of the water, those big fins, arms that they have, he pulls me down into the water.

00:40:08.000 Like this little thing, he probably weighs...

00:40:11.000 40, 50 pounds, right?

00:40:13.000 And it's just so powerful in the water.

00:40:14.000 Like, if I were to hang on to that turtle, I would be moving faster than I would move with fins on.

00:40:19.000 Whoa.

00:40:21.000 Like, how is that possible?

00:40:23.000 Like, I don't want to talk about my weight, but I'm a lot bigger than that turtle.

00:40:27.000 Are you getting sensitive?

00:40:30.000 I'm not at fight weight anymore.

00:40:31.000 You're eating well.

00:40:32.000 You look good, man.

00:40:33.000 Don't worry about it.

00:40:35.000 Do you think you're going to move to Bahamas?

00:40:36.000 Do you think you'd live there someday?

00:40:39.000 Ultimately, I'm definitely going to live back there in my lifetime.

00:40:43.000 I mean, I want to die there.

00:40:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:48.000 I don't necessarily want to die anytime soon.

00:40:51.000 But when you do, you want to live the end of your life there, the relaxed life, island life.

00:40:56.000 Hey man, I get it.

00:40:57.000 Every time I go to Hawaii, my brain starts spinning.

00:41:01.000 I'm like, can I live here?

00:41:03.000 Why don't I just move here?

00:41:04.000 I don't need much, you know?

00:41:08.000 Did you watch the Steve Jobs movie?

00:41:11.000 No.

00:41:11.000 I haven't either, but just recently it was on television and the opening scene was some guy in like, I don't know, the 70s or 60s talking about computers.

00:41:20.000 When computers were huge, when computers were like those big things that take up an entire room...

00:41:24.000 He's like, yeah, one day you can be anywhere in the world and you can work.

00:41:29.000 You can be on a remote island and you can be doing your work and you will get emails.

00:41:32.000 He's talking about emails like in the 60s.

00:41:35.000 He's talking about the internet in the 60s or something.

00:41:37.000 It's on the beginning of the Jobs movie.

00:41:39.000 Is that the one with Ashton Kutcher?

00:41:42.000 No.

00:41:43.000 I was going to ask which one.

00:41:44.000 There's another one.

00:41:45.000 Michael Fassbender 2 that came out.

00:41:47.000 I think it's the Fassbender.

00:41:48.000 I don't know what Michael Fassbender looks like.

00:41:50.000 I know that name, but who's Michael Fassbender?

00:41:52.000 He's, uh...

00:41:54.000 What was he in?

00:41:55.000 I think he's like Loki in the Avengers.

00:41:57.000 I think that's him too.

00:41:58.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:41:59.000 That makes sense.

00:42:01.000 I think that's him.

00:42:03.000 But yeah, that movie, they were talking about that then, and I'm like, you know...

00:42:08.000 And then 2001 was when Jobs came out with the...

00:42:12.000 Yeah, that's him.

00:42:13.000 Oh, no, no.

00:42:14.000 Is he Loki?

00:42:15.000 No, he's someone, but I'd mix somebody up.

00:42:18.000 He's from Prometheus.

00:42:19.000 He's the robot in the Prometheus and Alien series.

00:42:22.000 He's the...

00:42:23.000 Yeah, that guy's excellent.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 Oh, so he played Steve Jobs. 1.00

00:42:28.000 Was Steve Jobs an asshole in the Steve Jobs movie? 0.99

00:42:30.000 Yeah, I mean, I only saw like the first five minutes. 0.99

00:42:33.000 I want to watch this, but he does look, yeah, he is in the movie. 1.00

00:42:37.000 But the claim is that you have to be an asshole to be like a genius. 0.99

00:42:42.000 I don't know if I buy that. 1.00

00:42:44.000 I don't buy it either.

00:42:45.000 A lot of people who get a lot of shit done eventually run into people that don't get shit done the way they want. 0.96

00:42:52.000 And so the only way they figure out how to get shit done with those people is to dominate them. 0.99

00:42:58.000 Yeah, push. 0.99

00:42:59.000 To yell at them and to – like the Apple deal was that you had to work insane hours too.

00:43:05.000 That's a weird thing, man.

00:43:07.000 If you're going to work for a company, you got a good job.

00:43:09.000 Is it a good job?

00:43:10.000 What's so good about it?

00:43:11.000 That you get money?

00:43:12.000 Where's your life?

00:43:13.000 You don't have a life.

00:43:14.000 You're working 17 hours a day?

00:43:16.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

00:43:17.000 That sucks. 1.00

00:43:18.000 That's a shitty job. 0.99

00:43:20.000 Even if you're making a lot of money, like a guy who makes less money, but it can take the weekend off and go fishing and hang out with his kids and chill. 0.97

00:43:28.000 That's a better life.

00:43:29.000 Preach it, Joe.

00:43:30.000 Preach it.

00:43:30.000 That's a better life.

00:43:31.000 I'm listening.

00:43:31.000 Hallelujah.

00:43:32.000 That Bahamas life is the way to go. 1.00

00:43:33.000 I'm telling you, man.

00:43:34.000 Got me thinking.

00:43:35.000 When I was at home, it was just nice.

00:43:39.000 A fighter's life is kind of like that.

00:43:42.000 Not all the time and not every one, but you get to do what you love to do, and then you get to do what you want to do.

00:43:50.000 If you can handle the highs and the lows, with fighters, it's handling the highs with the ego and the lows with the emotions and just the letting everybody down and the depression.

00:44:01.000 Both of those things.

00:44:02.000 Those are the extremes.

00:44:04.000 The highs of winning big fights and being admired for something that truly becomes a part of you.

00:44:12.000 Just being yourself.

00:44:14.000 That feels good, but you do put a lot of weight on yourself.

00:44:19.000 And when you lose, I ain't gonna lie, man...

00:44:24.000 There has been some things on the internet, like when I lost to Hominick, right?

00:44:29.000 It was like, oh, he threw that fight, and I was like, that breaks my heart.

00:44:33.000 That hurts my heart.

00:44:33.000 When someone says you threw the fight?

00:44:34.000 Yeah, you know? 1.00

00:44:35.000 Yeah, you just can't read that shit. 0.99

00:44:37.000 But I know what you mean. 1.00

00:44:38.000 Yeah. 0.64

00:44:39.000 You can't read, there's people that, they have crazy theories about nonsense. 0.99

00:44:43.000 There's, you know, that's crazy, the idea that you threw a fight, or that you would get together with Hominick, or make a bet against yourself or something stupid like that. 0.99

00:44:52.000 Right. 0.76

00:44:52.000 I just heard at some point over the past year or so, I heard an argument that like, well, if a guy doesn't make weight and the other guy gets so much of his purse and he's going to get his win and show money, right? 0.76

00:45:10.000 If he's guaranteed he's winning show money anyway, then why wouldn't he just throw the fight and get a bonus percentage of the winners win money? 0.99

00:45:21.000 That's a moron. 1.00

00:45:23.000 That's a moron. 1.00

00:45:24.000 Well, not only that. 1.00

00:45:25.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:45:26.000 That's not just a moron. 1.00

00:45:27.000 It's someone who doesn't understand the psychology of a winner. 1.00

00:45:29.000 Yeah.

00:45:29.000 The thing about a winner is the last thing a winner wants to do is lose on purpose.

00:45:35.000 Right?

00:45:35.000 And when you have the opportunity, the big thing is winning.

00:45:39.000 You have the opportunity to win.

00:45:41.000 It's right in front of you.

00:45:42.000 And you only get a chance to do this three times a year, four times a year, five if you're a cowboy.

00:45:48.000 Right?

00:45:50.000 Cowboy's crazy. 1.00

00:45:51.000 He's crazy. 0.98

00:45:51.000 But he fights like five times a year, right? 0.98

00:45:53.000 If he could, he'd probably fight every week.

00:45:55.000 Yeah.

00:45:55.000 But the idea that you're going to throw that?

00:46:00.000 The best feeling that you could ever achieve?

00:46:04.000 They're crazy.

00:46:05.000 They just don't understand it. 0.94

00:46:06.000 But that's just the problem with the internet, is reading comments. 1.00

00:46:10.000 Too many morons with ideas. 1.00

00:46:13.000 I used to love the underground, man. 1.00

00:46:15.000 It was great back in the day.

00:46:16.000 I was like, I had the O, what?

00:46:19.000 I think I have double O's.

00:46:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:21.000 Yeah.

00:46:22.000 Like being from back then, you know?

00:46:24.000 Yeah.

00:46:24.000 Or maybe even a 90, like at some point they just gave you the number.

00:46:28.000 I was on in the 90s.

00:46:29.000 Same here.

00:46:30.000 Yeah.

00:46:30.000 So like, I don't know if my thing says 99 or double O. I still sign in every once in a while.

00:46:35.000 Just to check in?

00:46:36.000 Just to check in.

00:46:37.000 So much toxic conversation.

00:46:39.000 Yeah.

00:46:40.000 But that's just the internet in general.

00:46:42.000 There's still a lot of good discussions on the underground.

00:46:45.000 I think last time I was on was about a month ago.

00:46:47.000 I went and checked.

00:46:48.000 I was like, hmm.

00:46:50.000 Especially there was some good jujitsu talk.

00:46:52.000 There was some good technique talk about leg locks and And whether or not there's going to be a transition from leg locks because the leg lock game sort of overtook jujitsu.

00:47:04.000 Whether or not it was going to switch to choking or whether there's going to be a new trend because leg lock defense is so good now.

00:47:13.000 And I'm like, I appreciate that.

00:47:15.000 I appreciate when people are like...

00:47:17.000 Devoted practitioners, and they're really discussing technique. 1.00

00:47:20.000 But when it's like, this guy's a pussy, and he fucking sucks, and Ronda Rousey's a fucking bitch. 1.00

00:47:28.000 There's so much of that on the internet. 1.00

00:47:29.000 It's hard to filter through that to find some good conversations sometimes.

00:47:34.000 Yeah, it's like, in your life, you would avoid people like that, like the plague. 0.99

00:47:39.000 Like, if there was a guy in your life that wanted your phone number and all he does is complain about things and have stupid theories, you'd be like, get this guy the fuck away from me, right? 0.99

00:47:47.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:47:47.000 But you can't avoid them online. 0.98

00:47:50.000 Yeah, I know.

00:47:51.000 That's the thing.

00:47:53.000 Being anonymous on the internet, that's some power for some people, man.

00:47:58.000 Sure.

00:47:58.000 Man, that's crazy.

00:47:59.000 Well, it's also you got to realize that the people that are executing that power, the people that want and need that power, they're all either young or they're losers. 0.97

00:48:08.000 Those are the two. 0.80

00:48:09.000 They're young.

00:48:10.000 They don't get it.

00:48:10.000 You know, they're 14. Someone lets them on.

00:48:12.000 I just want to say mean shit because it's fun. 0.99

00:48:14.000 Like, you got a rock. 1.00

00:48:15.000 There's a window.

00:48:16.000 Eh.

00:48:17.000 No one's looking.

00:48:17.000 I'm going to throw this rock.

00:48:18.000 Yeah.

00:48:18.000 That's what people do.

00:48:19.000 It's normal.

00:48:20.000 But... 0.98

00:48:21.000 I don't want to hang out with young kids, and I don't want to hang out with losers. 0.97

00:48:24.000 But see, that's the problem. 0.92

00:48:26.000 I think there's something with that, too.

00:48:28.000 I mean, we know there's something with that, where being anonymous, that's a protection.

00:48:34.000 You see, sometimes that bleeds into their real life.

00:48:37.000 I mean, I saw this video of this kid.

00:48:39.000 He's just making fun of this older man.

00:48:42.000 He's being rude to this woman.

00:48:44.000 He's making fun of this older man.

00:48:46.000 So the man starts making fun of him, too.

00:48:47.000 He's like, And so the kid starts punching him in the arm.

00:48:51.000 And the guy's like, he just turns away and the kid's swinging at him.

00:48:54.000 And this is not like a little kid.

00:48:56.000 He's a little kid.

00:48:57.000 You shouldn't...

00:48:58.000 He's not a kid that you would smack because if he started talking smack to you, right?

00:49:02.000 You wouldn't fight him because of that.

00:49:03.000 But then this kid starts punching him and he's like...

00:49:05.000 He tells the kid to stop and the kid keeps going.

00:49:08.000 He grabs him by the throat and he pushes him, right?

00:49:10.000 And the kid falls down and he's like...

00:49:12.000 Then he starts crying.

00:49:13.000 And he's like, you assaulted me!

00:49:14.000 And it's like...

00:49:16.000 What reality do you live in, man?

00:49:19.000 Your parents have failed.

00:49:21.000 I'm sorry.

00:49:22.000 Life failed them.

00:49:24.000 They live in a blurry reality.

00:49:26.000 It's too much online, not enough real world. 1.00

00:49:30.000 Not enough getting your ass kicked, too. 1.00

00:49:32.000 That's the thing. 0.99

00:49:33.000 Fighting solves everything, man.

00:49:34.000 It solves a lot of things.

00:49:36.000 Everything.

00:49:36.000 I hate those people that say, fighting, what is that going to solve?

00:49:39.000 Like, everything.

00:49:40.000 I'm telling you.

00:49:41.000 Like, my thing is, like, if you start...

00:49:42.000 I don't like going back and forth.

00:49:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:45.000 Like, we're not going to go back and forth.

00:49:47.000 You say something disrespectful, I'm going to say something disrespectful.

00:49:50.000 I'm going to up the ante.

00:49:51.000 And then if you want to keep going, like, man, we can just stop talking right now and go.

00:49:55.000 You know?

00:49:56.000 I know I'm an old man now, but, like, I... Like, that solves everything.

00:50:02.000 Like, there's no reason to be talking. 0.99

00:50:04.000 Also, having a history of that in your life gives you a much better perspective of the consequences of talking shit. 0.99

00:50:10.000 If you don't have any history, like, how many times have you seen guys talk shit and you know they can't fight? 0.99

00:50:15.000 Like, this is crazy. 0.98

00:50:16.000 This is like someone challenging someone to a race they've never driven a car.

00:50:20.000 Like, they don't even know how to shift gears. 1.00

00:50:22.000 You don't know a goddamn thing. 1.00

00:50:23.000 What, you watch a Jackie Chan movie thinking to fuck somebody up? 1.00

00:50:28.000 But there's a lot of people that are doing that. 1.00

00:50:30.000 There's so many people that believe that.

00:50:32.000 And then just guys who watch fights.

00:50:34.000 They believe that they can beat.

00:50:36.000 There are legit people that believe they can beat people that are inside the octagon or inside a professional cage, inside the PFL or Ryzen or somewhere.

00:50:45.000 And they're just like, I can beat that guy.

00:50:47.000 No, you can't.

00:50:48.000 I can't really believe that.

00:50:49.000 No, you can't. 0.90

00:50:49.000 Just by beating them. 0.90

00:50:50.000 I can beat Pauly Malignaggi.

00:50:51.000 Did you see?

00:50:52.000 No, dude. 1.00

00:50:53.000 No, he'll fuck you up. 1.00

00:50:56.000 That was a sad fight, man. 1.00

00:50:58.000 I watched it again.

00:50:59.000 I didn't watch.

00:51:00.000 I don't know.

00:51:01.000 I can't bring myself to watch the bare knuckle boxing.

00:51:03.000 I tell you what, man.

00:51:04.000 It changed my opinion.

00:51:06.000 I was thinking for a long time that MMA done correctly, you'd have bare knuckles.

00:51:10.000 Because I was like, why you got bare shins and bare knees and bare elbows, but you have your knuckles padded up?

00:51:15.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:51:16.000 But now I see the cuts, like Chris Lieben.

00:51:19.000 His face was just opened up, man.

00:51:21.000 I was like, that is just...

00:51:22.000 I don't want to see people take unnecessarily cuts that way because then that scar tissue opens up and then shortens their career, stops fights.

00:51:32.000 I don't want to see that.

00:51:33.000 And also breaking hands.

00:51:34.000 I mean, that's why I don't want to watch it.

00:51:38.000 I'm not a big fan of cuts.

00:51:39.000 Remember Marvin Eastman and Vitor Belfort?

00:51:41.000 I don't like...

00:51:43.000 Yeah, horrific.

00:51:45.000 I want...

00:51:47.000 I want to show you something that's like...

00:51:50.000 When you see those gory videos, does that really throw you?

00:51:53.000 No.

00:51:54.000 Okay, so I'm going to show you something and it's horrible, right?

00:51:57.000 But... 0.98

00:51:57.000 Oh, crap. 0.98

00:51:58.000 What is it? 0.99

00:52:00.000 It's a video.

00:52:01.000 It's a video of...

00:52:03.000 I don't even know how to explain it.

00:52:04.000 I don't want to tell you what it is until you see it because it is so graphic.

00:52:10.000 Is it a fight video?

00:52:11.000 It's not a fight video.

00:52:12.000 It's just something gory.

00:52:14.000 Okay.

00:52:15.000 You want to see some gore?

00:52:16.000 Yeah.

00:52:16.000 Show me.

00:52:18.000 I keep forgetting how to get through my phone sometimes, but I found it.

00:52:25.000 Okay, let's see.

00:52:26.000 So you're watching that, right?

00:52:28.000 Okay.

00:52:30.000 I don't know if those two things go together.

00:52:33.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:52:34.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:52:39.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 You can see that, Jamie.

00:52:42.000 Yeah.

00:52:43.000 Whoa.

00:52:45.000 I don't know if that part one equals part two.

00:52:48.000 I don't know if that was just edited, but still.

00:52:50.000 It looks like it took him right in the mug.

00:52:53.000 That seems like what it would do if a log hit you in the face like that.

00:52:56.000 I don't want to see that.

00:52:57.000 That guy's whole head is broken.

00:52:58.000 He's missing his upper jaw.

00:53:01.000 Yeah.

00:53:03.000 Yikes.

00:53:03.000 Like, I don't even want to look.

00:53:05.000 Yeah.

00:53:06.000 Well, how about Cyborg?

00:53:07.000 When Michael Venom Page hit him with that knee?

00:53:10.000 Woo! 0.99

00:53:11.000 That's one that makes you... 1.00

00:53:12.000 It makes you fucking... 1.00

00:53:13.000 Your whole body tightens up. 1.00

00:53:15.000 Like, how do you dent somebody's skull?

00:53:18.000 Like, do you know how much force you have to hit somebody with like that? 0.99

00:53:21.000 Crazy.

00:53:22.000 Think of all the fights you've seen.

00:53:23.000 We've never seen that.

00:53:24.000 I've never seen that.

00:53:25.000 Think about this.

00:53:26.000 When something...

00:53:27.000 Everybody's been hit on the head or something fell on your head and it's an edge of something and it's just...

00:53:32.000 That pain?

00:53:33.000 Yeah.

00:53:33.000 I can't imagine what that pain is like.

00:53:36.000 That's bone.

00:53:37.000 Yeah.

00:53:37.000 The bone...

00:53:37.000 I don't want to see it.

00:53:38.000 There's the...

00:53:39.000 No, I'm not saying no, but I'm just like...

00:53:41.000 I looked over there and that screen brightened up and...

00:53:44.000 Well, how about...

00:53:45.000 Yeah, what Cosmo Alexandre did to Sage Northcutt.

00:53:49.000 That's crazy too.

00:53:51.000 One punch, broke like eight bones in his face.

00:53:54.000 Yeah.

00:53:55.000 Like, this is not for the lighthearted, man.

00:53:58.000 It's not for the lighthearted.

00:53:59.000 Like, a lot of people, like, I'm not a sage hater, but I'm not a sage lover.

00:54:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:06.000 But like...

00:54:07.000 I don't wish that on anybody.

00:54:09.000 I don't wish that on anybody either and I don't like that matchup.

00:54:13.000 I didn't like that matchup at all.

00:54:15.000 I was like, what are they doing?

00:54:17.000 That's a world champion striker. 1.00

00:54:20.000 Cosmo is a fucking bad man. 1.00

00:54:23.000 He's a bad man. 1.00

00:54:25.000 He lights people on fire.

00:54:27.000 And him at 185 pounds with no weight cutting, and that's one of the things that he said about that fight, how good he felt, where he didn't have to cut any weight. 0.97

00:54:35.000 You see how thick and fucking full he looked.

00:54:38.000 He wasn't depleted and dehydrated and everything like that. 0.98

00:54:41.000 That is just not Sage's...

00:54:44.000 Bring it back to the beginning.

00:54:45.000 It does this in all angles.

00:54:47.000 Look how thick he is, too.

00:54:49.000 Have you seen Cosmo's fights before?

00:54:50.000 I remember when he fought John Wayne Parr in Lion Fight...

00:54:54.000 But John Wayne Parr is a multiple-time world champion and a skillful guy, and he managed to avoid the big power shots like this and didn't get hurt.

00:55:05.000 But it's also Cosmo having a chance to punch you with MMA gloves on, too.

00:55:09.000 With the majority of his career, he fought Muay Thai.

00:55:12.000 Boom! 0.99

00:55:12.000 I mean, that is a crazy punch. 0.99

00:55:14.000 Everything's behind that.

00:55:15.000 And it's like, this kid is just not ready for this yet.

00:55:18.000 He's just not ready for this.

00:55:20.000 As much as he has experience in karate, and he had some good MMA fights against some good fighters.

00:55:27.000 This is not a good fighter.

00:55:28.000 That's an elite, world-class striker.

00:55:31.000 Striker.

00:55:32.000 And, you know, you're fighting him with little gloves on in a ring.

00:55:35.000 And your mixed martial arts game is primarily a striking game.

00:55:41.000 Yep.

00:55:41.000 You're at a big disadvantage.

00:55:43.000 Huge.

00:55:44.000 Enormous disadvantage.

00:55:45.000 I like what One is doing, though.

00:55:47.000 I really do.

00:55:48.000 I like what they're doing.

00:55:49.000 I thought that's interesting, too, that they made him fight in a ring.

00:55:51.000 I don't know how many events one does in a ring versus does in a cage, but the dynamics shift radically when you get cornered.

00:55:59.000 That's one of the cool things about the Bellator cage.

00:56:01.000 It's circular.

00:56:02.000 There's no corner in anybody.

00:56:05.000 But when you see a boxing ring like that...

00:56:08.000 Yeah.

00:56:10.000 Especially, again, with Cosmo.

00:56:13.000 That's where he spent most of his time.

00:56:15.000 Like, all of his time.

00:56:16.000 It's a different environment.

00:56:17.000 And cutting that off is so much easier.

00:56:20.000 And for a guy who knows how to do that, he...

00:56:25.000 It's almost like Sage was set up.

00:56:26.000 I'm not saying they set him up, but that's just a bad situation.

00:56:30.000 I guess he didn't have to take the fight.

00:56:32.000 I should say, I don't know how they do their matchmaking. 0.65

00:56:36.000 The UFC kind of forces fights on people, right?

00:56:39.000 They let you know, you take this fight, or we're probably not going to call you.

00:56:44.000 It's up to you, but if you want a career in the UFC, you take fights when you get them.

00:56:48.000 But when you see fighters in boxing, They have a really good manager.

00:56:55.000 The manager knows who the guy you're going to fight is and says, Okay, Eve, this guy is good, but you can beat him.

00:57:03.000 And this is what I like about this style.

00:57:05.000 He's going to challenge you in a couple areas, but overall you're a better fighter than him.

00:57:10.000 But it'll give you a challenge, and we're trying to build your record up to get you a title shot.

00:57:14.000 And maybe you'd be 9-0, 10-0, 11-0, 12-0.

00:57:17.000 And then, you know, you get to a certain level, and they go, okay, we're ready to fight for a title.

00:57:21.000 And then it would be this big promotion, Eve Edwards, you know, 17-0, you know, 16 knockouts, and it shows your highlight reel.

00:57:29.000 Like, this is something that big management.

00:57:32.000 This is the reason why it exists in boxing.

00:57:35.000 It's actually smart, because it's part of the development of a fighter.

00:57:38.000 For every Jon Jones that could just step into the octagon at 21 years old and start fucking people up, There's so many young fighters that could be world champions, but then they run into elite competition early in their career and get fucked up, and then their dream kind of drifts away from them.

00:57:58.000 Yeah, fear gets put in them early. 0.69

00:58:00.000 That's a problem.

00:58:02.000 And unnecessarily, in my opinion.

00:58:05.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:58:07.000 And that's the thing about guys getting into the UFC really early in their career.

00:58:13.000 That's everybody's goal.

00:58:14.000 Virtually every fighter on the planet, that's where they want to be.

00:58:17.000 That's the most recognized belt.

00:58:19.000 That's the belt that everybody considers the highest ranked belt.

00:58:22.000 So that's where everybody wants to get.

00:58:24.000 And getting there with two or three fights under your belt, it's exciting.

00:58:32.000 But you're in the wolf stand now.

00:58:35.000 Yeah, it's not smart.

00:58:36.000 Everybody wants to say they're a UFC fighter, but it really isn't smart.

00:58:39.000 The smart way to do it is to fight on the regional circuit, train at a really good gym, and develop yourself.

00:58:46.000 Brian Ortega.

00:58:47.000 Yeah.

00:58:49.000 Look what Marlon Marais did.

00:58:51.000 Before PFL, when it was the World Series of Fighting, he was fucking everybody up over there.

00:58:57.000 And we were watching him going, how would this guy fare against world-class competition?

00:59:01.000 And then you get him to the UFC, you go, okay, this guy's the real deal.

00:59:05.000 Yeah, he's right there.

00:59:06.000 He's the real deal.

00:59:06.000 But it took all those years in smaller shows to build up that sort of skill set and that confidence and experience.

00:59:14.000 There's a lot of good guys that came through there, like Gaethje, you know?

00:59:18.000 Sure.

00:59:19.000 Perfect example.

00:59:20.000 Yeah.

00:59:20.000 And it's also a good place when you get, when guys got, I'm not talking about now, of course, because it's not long in the World Series, but when guys got, you know, they got to the UFC and they did their experience show that they weren't ready for it.

00:59:33.000 And, you know, having these smaller promotions, that's a good thing because some of those guys, their spirit, Doesn't necessarily break.

00:59:41.000 They just know they're not ready for that.

00:59:43.000 Going back down and working their way back up.

00:59:46.000 But then again, it's hard.

00:59:47.000 Sometimes it's hard to earn that second shot.

00:59:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:51.000 You can go back and I guess it all depends also on the relationship you had with the powers that be.

00:59:58.000 Once you're out, if you went out on a bad note, it doesn't really matter.

01:00:03.000 Yeah, there's some bridge burners out there.

01:00:05.000 Some young guys, they get crazy, and then they do an interview.

01:00:08.000 Interviews are so toxic, right?

01:00:10.000 You start getting crazy, and you say something that really could fuck up your entire career, and you might not even really mean it.

01:00:17.000 Or if you do mean it, you might mean it only for an hour.

01:00:20.000 And then after you say, like, why did I say that?

01:00:23.000 Really, I should look at it from their perspective.

01:00:25.000 They're trying to run a business.

01:00:26.000 Don't be in your feelings.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, don't be in your feelings.

01:00:31.000 One of the more interesting things about the PFL this season was Vinny Magalhães.

01:00:36.000 Vinny Magalhães has become who I thought he would be earlier in his career because he's such a phenom with grappling.

01:00:44.000 He's a legitimate world champion.

01:00:47.000 I remember watching him Sean O'Connell.

01:01:02.000 Sean O'Connell.

01:01:11.000 Yeah, I want to say O'Malley, but I know that's not his name.

01:01:13.000 Sean O'Connell.

01:01:14.000 I was very impressed, man.

01:01:15.000 Amazed that he was able to beat him.

01:01:17.000 Man, he put a real good game plan together.

01:01:19.000 He had Jeremy Horn in his corner, too.

01:01:20.000 Like, having that knowledge bank behind you, you know what I mean?

01:01:24.000 But, like, Vinny, I think his fights lasted, like, not even a round to get to the finals.

01:01:31.000 So that's four fights, and he hasn't even spent five minutes in the cage yet, you know?

01:01:35.000 And then...

01:01:36.000 Sean takes him to the end.

01:01:38.000 But then this season, Vinny just fought a couple of weeks ago.

01:01:42.000 And man, I guess it's kind of like the strategy to be Vinny, of course, is to keep the fight standing.

01:01:49.000 Not get taken down.

01:01:51.000 Not be on bottom.

01:01:51.000 Don't even let him pull guard.

01:01:52.000 But he took a pounding in that first round.

01:01:56.000 He needs a win.

01:01:58.000 He needs to show that Vinny-level jiu-jitsu in his next fight to get into the playoffs this year.

01:02:03.000 Did he win his fight?

01:02:04.000 He lost.

01:02:05.000 He lost.

01:02:06.000 He got stopped in the second, I believe.

01:02:07.000 By who?

01:02:08.000 Emiliano Sorti.

01:02:09.000 Oh.

01:02:10.000 He lit him up, man.

01:02:11.000 Really?

01:02:12.000 He just picked him apart, stayed on the outside.

01:02:15.000 I think Vinny did land one takedown.

01:02:18.000 But sort of he defended, got back to his feet, and he just worked him.

01:02:21.000 Body, head, just really good boxing.

01:02:23.000 Yeah, Vinny might be just that guy that's this elite-level jiu-jitsu guy that never quite realizes his full potential in MMA. And it's also the amount of time.

01:02:33.000 You've got to think, he was back in the Ultimate Fighter.

01:02:36.000 Ryan Bader stopped him in the finals.

01:02:38.000 That was a long time ago.

01:02:40.000 That was like the fourth or fifth season.

01:02:42.000 Something like that.

01:02:43.000 So what was that, 2007 or something like that?

01:02:45.000 12 years ago?

01:02:46.000 That's a long career.

01:02:47.000 That's a long time.

01:02:48.000 But like, he still looks good.

01:02:50.000 He still has it.

01:02:51.000 His striking has gotten better.

01:02:53.000 I mean, he's not going to be able to go toe-to-toe with the elite level strikers in his weight class.

01:02:58.000 But his wrestling is where I think that's where he really needs to focus now.

01:03:03.000 If he still wants to do, or how much longer he wants to do this.

01:03:06.000 Right.

01:03:06.000 How old is he now?

01:03:07.000 I think Vinny's 33, 34?

01:03:11.000 35?

01:03:12.000 It was close.

01:03:13.000 But his striking is...

01:03:16.000 You have to respect it.

01:03:18.000 You have to respect his standing.

01:03:19.000 And if he can transition to taking a shot off of that and just chain wrestle, that'll be so much better.

01:03:24.000 Because on top, of course, he's going to be a monster.

01:03:29.000 But if he's pulling guard, there's a few guys he's going to catch.

01:03:32.000 But most of the better guys, you're going to have a problem there.

01:03:36.000 What'd you say?

01:03:36.000 It's his birthday today.

01:03:37.000 Just turned 35. Happy birthday, Vinny.

01:03:40.000 Yeah, he's one of the few guys...

01:03:42.000 I mean, didn't he get like two Kimuras in a row? 1.00

01:03:44.000 Two Kimuras on the same night. 1.00

01:03:46.000 Did he really?

01:03:47.000 Yeah.

01:03:48.000 One from...

01:03:48.000 Oh, we were fighting on the same night.

01:03:49.000 That shit's crazy. 1.00

01:03:50.000 I'm not a fan of that. 1.00

01:03:52.000 Why?

01:03:52.000 Because I think that the problem is, say, if two guys fight, right?

01:03:56.000 And one guy knocks the other guy out real quick and then goes into the next round.

01:04:01.000 But the other guy who is going to fight, he fights and he has a rough three-round war.

01:04:09.000 And then he goes into the next fight. 0.99

01:04:11.000 One guy is super fresh and the other guy's body is beat to shit. 0.99

01:04:15.000 Just doesn't make sense. 1.00

01:04:17.000 Like, one guy's legs are all fucked up. 0.99

01:04:19.000 He's been leg kicked. 0.99

01:04:20.000 He might have got dinged.

01:04:21.000 He might be, like, a little dizzy.

01:04:22.000 And then he's going to go and fight an hour later? 0.89

01:04:25.000 That seems ridiculous to me.

01:04:27.000 But what about, like, so that's different for you if it's wrestling or if it's a submission grappling tournament?

01:04:33.000 Yes.

01:04:33.000 Because there's no striking?

01:04:34.000 Yeah, because there's no striking.

01:04:36.000 Yeah.

01:04:36.000 The thing about that is you can always, if you're going in banged up, or if you get hurt, we saw that last year in the playoffs.

01:04:45.000 I forget who it was.

01:04:46.000 I believe it was Islam Amadov.

01:04:50.000 He won his fight, but I don't remember what the injury was, but he pulled out.

01:04:56.000 And the guy he beat, who was not banged up, really.

01:05:00.000 I mean, the fight was a tough fight.

01:05:01.000 He claimed he was going in at 100%, except for the conditioning. 0.99

01:05:07.000 Yeah, but the thing is, like, there's a difference between being injured, like, you tear your ACL and you know it, and, like, I can't fight, I can't go on, and just being beat to shit. 0.97

01:05:18.000 That is the difference, but, I mean...

01:05:22.000 What's the difference between fighting?

01:05:23.000 You can only fight five rounds.

01:05:25.000 Right.

01:05:25.000 And no commission is going to let you fight five rounds, more than five rounds in a night.

01:05:28.000 So in the playoffs for the PFL, we have two rounds in the quarterfinals, and in the semifinals, there's three rounds, right?

01:05:35.000 It's kind of tricky because should the fight end up in a draw, then the fighter who won the first round wins the fight.

01:05:41.000 What?

01:05:42.000 Yeah.

01:05:42.000 I think it should be the second.

01:05:44.000 Yeah.

01:05:44.000 Some people think it should be the second.

01:05:46.000 Some people think it should be the first.

01:05:47.000 Why is it the fighter that won the first round?

01:05:49.000 I don't know.

01:05:50.000 I mean...

01:05:51.000 That seems silly.

01:05:53.000 It's...

01:05:53.000 Yeah.

01:05:54.000 Don't you want to...

01:05:55.000 Like if the teacher comes and pulls you off a dude, you're on top and you punch him in the face, but that guy was hitting you with a jab for the first two minutes.

01:06:04.000 It doesn't matter.

01:06:05.000 Everybody knows you won the fight.

01:06:06.000 Street fight rules, right?

01:06:07.000 Yeah.

01:06:07.000 If you're on top and you're punching him in the face when they break it up, you won.

01:06:11.000 Yeah.

01:06:11.000 He knows it too.

01:06:12.000 Everyone knows it.

01:06:13.000 I agree.

01:06:14.000 So I do like the second round being weighed more heavily.

01:06:19.000 I think also having the second round weighed more heavily, where the first round is, you're going to press the action.

01:06:26.000 And the guy's not really going to run.

01:06:28.000 Because if you do run, you can't be assured that, unless you dominated the first round completely, you can't be assured that you're going to win that.

01:06:36.000 I get the strategy, though, where they want people to fight exciting fights.

01:06:40.000 They don't want anybody to hold their energy, hold back until the second round.

01:06:44.000 I get that.

01:06:45.000 That makes sense.

01:06:46.000 Yeah, but at the same time, if one guy presses the action in the first, everybody's...

01:06:50.000 I mean, you gotta go.

01:06:51.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:06:53.000 I don't know.

01:06:55.000 But it's...

01:06:56.000 See, that's the only problem with that is if commissions would allow three rounds...

01:07:02.000 Yeah.

01:07:03.000 I mean, what's an extra round?

01:07:07.000 It's weird how sometimes these people who don't do it and they say they're concerned for your safety, they're like, we're fighting.

01:07:16.000 We already agreed to do this.

01:07:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:19.000 I know.

01:07:20.000 The worst thing that could happen today is a fight.

01:07:22.000 Yeah.

01:07:24.000 I think you're worried about someone's safety.

01:07:26.000 Yeah, it's funny.

01:07:28.000 I don't know, man.

01:07:29.000 I just think that twice a night, when you talk to neurologists in particular, they think it's very dangerous.

01:07:35.000 Because they think repeated concussions, like one of the things about football that they're really concerned with was guys that get head injuries early in the game, they sit on the bench for a quarter and then jump back in.

01:07:47.000 Yeah.

01:07:47.000 They're worried about that.

01:07:48.000 They're worried about repeated concussions in one day.

01:07:51.000 I get that.

01:07:52.000 And I also think where football is concerned, again, I love football.

01:07:55.000 I still like to watch the sport.

01:07:57.000 And I have nothing against that.

01:07:59.000 As long as the players have the information, you're making a choice.

01:08:04.000 It's freedom.

01:08:05.000 Now, today, yeah.

01:08:07.000 Bo Jackson said he wouldn't let his kids play.

01:08:09.000 Yeah.

01:08:10.000 Well...

01:08:11.000 Which is really interesting.

01:08:12.000 Yeah.

01:08:13.000 He didn't know.

01:08:13.000 He said no one knew back then.

01:08:15.000 Yeah, no one...

01:08:15.000 I mean, it's like, well, yeah.

01:08:17.000 They thought you were wearing a helmet.

01:08:18.000 You're going to be fine.

01:08:19.000 See, that's the thing about...

01:08:21.000 That's where I think the difference between fighting and the NFL and football happens is because, like, if I gave you a basketball and I stood here and I said, throw that in my head as hard as you can, as hard as you want, right?

01:08:32.000 As hard as you can.

01:08:33.000 I don't think you're going to try to smash me in the head with the basketball.

01:08:38.000 But if I put on a helmet, you're going to be more willing to throw it harder.

01:08:43.000 But it's like, that really doesn't change anything.

01:08:47.000 It's now that this perceived defense protection, there's just a barrier, but I'm still getting that concussive force of you throwing that basketball in my head, right?

01:08:55.000 But when you take football, you're not taking just a punch, traveling at like 20, 30 miles an hour from like two feet away, hitting somebody.

01:09:03.000 Yes, it's repeated, but people don't take really more than 60 punches in a fight.

01:09:09.000 Sometimes they do.

01:09:12.000 Football is like you're slamming into each other and we're talking about 250 pound men at full speed at 15 to 20 miles an hour.

01:09:21.000 Boom! 0.99

01:09:22.000 And then they're both running at each other.

01:09:25.000 Yeah, like a head-on collision.

01:09:27.000 The impact's insane.

01:09:29.000 That's so different.

01:09:31.000 I don't say don't play the sport.

01:09:34.000 Just make sure the information's out there.

01:09:35.000 Let the people make their choice.

01:09:37.000 I wonder if there's ever going to be anything they can do to figure out how to protect the brain.

01:09:43.000 I mean, there's got to be a way that they can figure out how to...

01:09:50.000 Well, maybe not.

01:09:51.000 I mean, your brain's sloshing around inside there.

01:09:53.000 Yeah.

01:09:54.000 Like, they have a way.

01:09:56.000 Like...

01:09:57.000 Give us the information and let you decide whether you want to put your brain at risk or not.

01:10:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:02.000 What I like...

01:10:04.000 The thing about the PFL, because when you get to the playoffs, those two fights in one night, I fought in tournaments.

01:10:12.000 You knew about boxers being punchy and all that.

01:10:15.000 I knew that.

01:10:16.000 But...

01:10:18.000 I don't know.

01:10:19.000 There's a thing about competing.

01:10:22.000 There's a passion about competing.

01:10:24.000 And having that tournament opportunity, that's a lot of fun.

01:10:27.000 A lot of these young guys, a lot of these young fighters, they didn't get the chance to fight in tournaments because tournaments kind of ended recently.

01:10:35.000 The Pride tournaments were awesome.

01:10:37.000 And then, of course, back then, there was a lot of tournaments.

01:10:39.000 The UFC had the tournament originally.

01:10:40.000 So that's a whole lot of fun.

01:10:41.000 But with the PFL season, what I like about it is there's a bunch of different storylines that happens.

01:10:48.000 You're fighting to gain points to get into the playoffs.

01:10:51.000 So there are two regular season fights.

01:10:53.000 And the first regular season fight, you...

01:10:57.000 You know where everybody's sitting at zero.

01:11:00.000 But then you come in the second.

01:11:01.000 Of course, everybody wants to win their fight.

01:11:02.000 Everybody wants to win as soon as possible to get the maximum amount of points.

01:11:05.000 But then when you come into the second fight, then everybody's like, okay, you're looking at the numbers.

01:11:11.000 I need this.

01:11:12.000 You're concerned.

01:11:13.000 And then you're watching throughout the night to figure out who's got to do what.

01:11:16.000 Well, explain that to people that don't understand what we're talking about because you guys have a score system.

01:11:21.000 We have a scoring system.

01:11:22.000 So in the Professional Fighters League, a win, you have to win.

01:11:28.000 We have a seating for the playoffs.

01:11:29.000 So the top eight fighters in the male weight classes and the women are only eight. 0.59

01:11:33.000 So the top four fighters get into the playoffs, right?

01:11:36.000 And you get in by point standings.

01:11:38.000 So you get a draw.

01:11:40.000 That's one point for each fighter.

01:11:42.000 You get a win.

01:11:43.000 That's three points.

01:11:44.000 But you get a win by stoppage in the third round.

01:11:46.000 That's four points.

01:11:47.000 Win by stoppage in the second.

01:11:48.000 Five.

01:11:49.000 Win by stoppage in the first.

01:11:50.000 Six.

01:11:50.000 So you try to accrue points.

01:11:53.000 Accumulate points so that when we get to the playoffs, you're seated in the top eight.

01:11:57.000 And I'm talking about the men.

01:11:58.000 Just remember that the women are four in the playoffs. 0.98

01:12:02.000 But when you get seated for the top eight, and then you fight the quarterfinal and semifinal fight on the same night, and the winners...

01:12:11.000 From those nights, the winners in the semifinals go to the championships, and that's on New Year's Eve, and that's for a million dollars.

01:12:17.000 So you get three fights for a million dollars. 0.90

01:12:20.000 That's pretty fucking good. 0.97

01:12:21.000 That's really good. 0.96

01:12:24.000 So I wish this tournament was around when I was...

01:12:28.000 I'm like, yeah, I want to do that.

01:12:30.000 I want to win a million dollars.

01:12:32.000 So how many fighters got a million?

01:12:33.000 Six.

01:12:34.000 Wow.

01:12:35.000 Six fighters got a million dollars last year.

01:12:37.000 There it is.

01:12:38.000 Six champions, a million dollars each.

01:12:40.000 Yeah, and this year I'll be six millionaires again.

01:12:45.000 The way that the season plays out, like I said, you fight the first round of the regular season.

01:12:50.000 When you come in, we're going into the second round of the regular season now.

01:12:53.000 So on July 11th, Thursday night, we're going to be in Atlantic City.

01:12:59.000 We have the women, and we have the women 155-pounders, and then we have the men welterweights. 0.79

01:13:05.000 And...

01:13:06.000 So, this is a fight that I'm really excited about, right?

01:13:09.000 Magomed, Magomed Karamov, he won last season, but then Chris Curtis came into the PFL, and he won his first fight.

01:13:16.000 Magomed won his first fight, got six points.

01:13:19.000 Chris Curtis got four points, got a third round stoppage, and he called out Magomed Karamov.

01:13:23.000 He called out the champion from last year, so he wants to go into this next fight fighting the champion.

01:13:28.000 I'm like, why would you do that?

01:13:30.000 Because if you lose that, you're not making it into playoffs.

01:13:32.000 You lose your opportunity in a million dollars.

01:13:34.000 But like that bravado of being a fighter and wanting, you know, you want to knock the best guy off, right?

01:13:41.000 You always want the best guy.

01:13:42.000 But to call him out in a fashion where it threatens your potential, like he has to perform.

01:13:48.000 He has to perform now.

01:13:50.000 That fight really interests me because Magomed Karamov is really good.

01:13:54.000 He can do everything.

01:13:56.000 He's one of those guys who doesn't look like his body type.

01:13:59.000 He doesn't look like the kind of guy who will smash you, but he will.

01:14:02.000 Did you see Ray Cooper last year?

01:14:05.000 Ray Cooper II. Ray Cooper II. That's what's crazy is that Jake Shields fought his dad.

01:14:10.000 And him.

01:14:11.000 And him.

01:14:11.000 And fought him twice.

01:14:12.000 That was what was kind of fucked up. 0.97

01:14:14.000 I watched both those fights. 0.99

01:14:15.000 I was like, damn, they're making Jake Shields fight this dude again. 0.99

01:14:17.000 They didn't make him do it. 1.00

01:14:18.000 I know they didn't make him do it, but he fucked Jake up and then he fucked him up again a couple months later. 0.99

01:14:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:14:24.000 How many months later was it?

01:14:24.000 Like three or four months?

01:14:25.000 Like three months.

01:14:26.000 Yeah.

01:14:26.000 The seeding.

01:14:27.000 That's rough.

01:14:28.000 But a bad KO like that from the same guy, and then you fight a...

01:14:32.000 I mean, he didn't have any answers for that, dude.

01:14:34.000 Like, to fight a guy like Ray, who is, I believe he was state champion Hawaiian wrestler, right? 0.96

01:14:39.000 And who does he have some fucking heavy hands? 0.57

01:14:42.000 He's like the Mike Tyson of, like... 0.98

01:14:45.000 Welterweight.

01:14:45.000 And for welterweight, he's fairly short.

01:14:47.000 He's like 5'7". 1.00

01:14:49.000 He just throws fucking bricks. 1.00

01:14:51.000 Well, so does John Howard, though. 1.00

01:14:52.000 John Howard's got some fucking bombs in his hands. 0.99

01:14:54.000 Yeah, I like that fight, too. 1.00

01:14:56.000 Yeah, very interesting fight.

01:14:57.000 That's a very good fight.

01:14:58.000 Now, with that fight, because Ray hits a lot, John Howard does have some bombs in his hands.

01:15:05.000 I think Ray has more power though.

01:15:08.000 I feel like Howard's going to have to stick and move, use those leg kicks and try to slow him down.

01:15:13.000 You can't go out there trying to take Ray Cooper out early.

01:15:16.000 John's been around a long time too.

01:15:18.000 John has had a long career.

01:15:21.000 How old is John now?

01:15:23.000 I think John is probably like 33 now.

01:15:25.000 He's at least.

01:15:27.000 Maybe 35. He was in the UFC a long time ago.

01:15:30.000 Mine is 36. Oh, wow.

01:15:32.000 Yeah.

01:15:33.000 And he's been in some crazy wars, you know?

01:15:36.000 He's been in some wars.

01:15:38.000 He just got his black belt.

01:15:40.000 And that's the only guy who beat Ray Cooper last season.

01:15:44.000 You know, Magmar Karamoff beat him by submission.

01:15:46.000 Yeah.

01:15:47.000 I think that's the best option for a lot of guys facing him because he has so much power.

01:15:54.000 Now, all these are on NBC Sports?

01:15:56.000 Is that what they're doing?

01:15:57.000 ESPN2. ESPN2 now?

01:15:58.000 ESPN2 and ESPN+. Oh, okay.

01:16:00.000 Well, that's right.

01:16:01.000 That's new to this year, right?

01:16:03.000 That's new to this year.

01:16:04.000 That's very exciting.

01:16:05.000 That's very exciting.

01:16:06.000 So ESPN +, which also has the UFC, and put it on ESPN as well.

01:16:11.000 That's great.

01:16:12.000 Yeah.

01:16:12.000 That's so good, man, that ESPN is stepping into MMA like this.

01:16:16.000 I love it.

01:16:17.000 It's huge because I thought this last year when the UFC signed with ESPN, I was like, that's a great thing because a lot of times the UFC... When fight fans watch the UFC, they only think of the UFC as mixed martial arts.

01:16:32.000 I'm sorry, they think of mixed martial arts as the UFC. Right.

01:16:34.000 You know, people ask, do you train UFC? You know what I mean?

01:16:36.000 Right, right.

01:16:37.000 But ESPN, being the worldwide leader in sports, I've seen highlights on ESPN from Ryzen, from Japan, from ONE, from some small promotions.

01:16:48.000 And it's like, that helps the sport grow.

01:16:50.000 That helps people recognize that there's not only one avenue for I like there being a lot more options for guys where the money's concerned.

01:17:09.000 I'm very happy about that.

01:17:10.000 I mean, that's how they lured Sage over to 1FC and also Eddie Alvarez and Mighty Mouse, you know?

01:17:16.000 Yeah.

01:17:17.000 But it's a different world when there's no weight cutting.

01:17:19.000 I am such a giant fan of that know what weight cutting deal, the way they're doing it over at 1FC. Okay, so what exactly are they doing?

01:17:29.000 Hydration tests.

01:17:30.000 And how far out before the fight?

01:17:33.000 I don't know.

01:17:34.000 I don't know how they're doing it, but what it was explained to me is they essentially say if you were the 170 pound champion, they bump you up to like 185. They're like, look, you're going to fight 185 now.

01:17:45.000 There's no weight cutting.

01:17:46.000 We're going to test you.

01:17:47.000 We're going to test your weight.

01:17:48.000 We're going to test your hydration.

01:17:49.000 We're going to know what your real weight is.

01:17:52.000 So this is your real weight.

01:17:53.000 Your real weight is 185 pounds.

01:17:55.000 You're dropping 15 pounds of water to get to 170, but we both know that when you get into that octagon, you're going to be 185 pounds. 0.97

01:18:02.000 So let's just cut the shit and have you never drop down to 170 and just say you're a 185-pound fighter, which is what they... 0.84

01:18:09.000 I mean, you stand next to guys like Kamaru Usman, you're like, how are you 170? 0.99

01:18:12.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:18:14.000 Or Yoel, who's the craziest version.

01:18:17.000 Yoel is so big.

01:18:19.000 He's so big. 1.00

01:18:20.000 His fucking neck starts at the top of his head. 1.00

01:18:23.000 And his shoulders, they meet the traps in the middle. 1.00

01:18:28.000 You know, it's like, days, days, days.

01:18:30.000 He's just this mammoth of a man.

01:18:32.000 And the idea that that guy is 185 pounds is bananas.

01:18:36.000 Tim, Tebow, those kinds of guys.

01:18:39.000 And these guys are still muscular the entire time.

01:18:42.000 I don't know how Gleason did it all those years.

01:18:44.000 Gleason was walking around well over 190 and getting down to 155. Not even, man.

01:18:50.000 Like, I'd see T-Bow in the gym, and I was like, T-Bow, what are you wearing right now?

01:18:54.000 He's like, oh, my friend, 190, 195. Like, get on the scale.

01:18:59.000 No, no, no.

01:19:00.000 Like, he's not doing that, you know?

01:19:02.000 He's easy, like, 205, 210. Really?

01:19:05.000 205, 210, you would get down to 155?

01:19:07.000 So big.

01:19:08.000 How did he do it?

01:19:10.000 I don't know.

01:19:11.000 Sheer force of will?

01:19:12.000 Yeah, so I've seen him at weight cuts just like laid out.

01:19:16.000 Like we fought on a couple of cards together also, you know, and he's just like laid out and he has to be carried out of the room, you know.

01:19:22.000 Of course, you have to walk up to the scale on your own.

01:19:25.000 That's so insane that you let a guy do that and then they fight a day later.

01:19:29.000 Yeah, the next day.

01:19:32.000 But you wouldn't let somebody recover from the flu.

01:19:36.000 Like, say, oh, I feel better.

01:19:37.000 The temperature's down.

01:19:38.000 You wouldn't let them fight the next day.

01:19:40.000 Right.

01:19:40.000 They'd probably be healthier.

01:19:41.000 Yeah.

01:19:42.000 Much healthier.

01:19:43.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:19:44.000 It's the dumbest thing in all combat sports. 0.99

01:19:47.000 Weight cut. 0.99

01:19:48.000 Yeah.

01:19:48.000 It could be avoided.

01:19:51.000 So you think there's no...

01:19:54.000 Because I haven't been in the position, I don't know how you work the system with the 1FC system.

01:20:02.000 I would like to talk to Chautry.

01:20:05.000 Chautry is the one who set it all up.

01:20:07.000 I mean, it's his organization.

01:20:08.000 And I think he's the leader in terms of safety and also fairness.

01:20:14.000 Because I think what weight cutting is...

01:20:16.000 I mean, look, everybody's doing it.

01:20:18.000 So it's not like everybody is ethically compromised.

01:20:21.000 But I think it's cheating.

01:20:23.000 I think it's legal cheating.

01:20:25.000 That's what I think it is.

01:20:26.000 If you're pretending you weigh 125 pounds like Mighty Mouse does, he doesn't really weigh 125.

01:20:32.000 He weighs like 140.

01:20:34.000 Yeah.

01:20:34.000 140 something.

01:20:35.000 You know, that's what he really weighs.

01:20:37.000 And the thing is, when he's fighting over in 1FC, those are the guys he's actually fighting.

01:20:41.000 He's fighting guys his size.

01:20:43.000 So the guys that really did a great job of cutting weight, they do have a significant advantage once they get into that octagon.

01:20:51.000 But I don't think that's a fair advantage.

01:20:53.000 There's some guys that do it really well, too.

01:20:55.000 Yeah.

01:20:55.000 Really well.

01:20:56.000 Some guys are excellent at it.

01:20:58.000 Yeah.

01:20:58.000 Yoel, he's excellent.

01:21:00.000 Even though he's missed a couple of times.

01:21:01.000 Those guys, the advantage is so spectacular.

01:21:06.000 How does James Vick make 155?

01:21:08.000 That's a good point.

01:21:08.000 He's a tall fella.

01:21:10.000 Yeah.

01:21:11.000 There's a lot of those guys.

01:21:12.000 Paul Felder. 1.00

01:21:13.000 Paul Felder's a fucking gorilla. 1.00

01:21:15.000 How does he get down to 155? 1.00

01:21:16.000 He's so thick.

01:21:18.000 Yeah.

01:21:18.000 He's broad, man.

01:21:20.000 I remember when Dustin was making 145. Crazy.

01:21:23.000 He looks like he's having a hard time making 155 now.

01:21:26.000 But look, man, the difference between him at 45 and 55 is pretty significant.

01:21:31.000 So, with Dustin, like, I'm kind of biased because he's one of my best friends, right?

01:21:38.000 Of course.

01:21:38.000 But you see how Max dominated a lot of guys at 45. And then, you know, you talk about Max is like, now he's the greatest.

01:21:50.000 Now he's the greatest at 145. He may be the GOAT. He may be greater than Jose Aldo.

01:21:55.000 Like, that's an argument people can make.

01:21:57.000 Well, he beat him twice.

01:21:58.000 Right.

01:21:58.000 Although he beat him later in his career.

01:22:00.000 His career, right.

01:22:00.000 Jose's not 50 years old.

01:22:02.000 He was in his early 30s.

01:22:03.000 Yeah.

01:22:03.000 And he was still the number one guy.

01:22:05.000 He was still dominating everybody else.

01:22:07.000 Yep.

01:22:07.000 Except Connor.

01:22:11.000 But, like...

01:22:13.000 The way Max beat those guys.

01:22:16.000 Beat Ortega.

01:22:16.000 Beat Jose twice.

01:22:18.000 And then Dustin's having these tough fights.

01:22:20.000 He's fighting these same guys.

01:22:22.000 He's fighting Gage.

01:22:23.000 He's fighting Eddie.

01:22:24.000 He's winning them.

01:22:25.000 He's convincingly winning them.

01:22:27.000 But when he fights Max...

01:22:30.000 Like, Dustin's fight is the same fight that he had with Gaethje as far as competitiveness, right?

01:22:36.000 Max was still in there, but Dustin wins these.

01:22:39.000 But this is where my bias kicks in.

01:22:41.000 I'm like, give that man some credit, man.

01:22:44.000 I mean, I know everybody loves Dustin.

01:22:46.000 I mean, not everybody, but people love Dustin.

01:22:48.000 They appreciate the way he fights.

01:22:49.000 They appreciate his style.

01:22:50.000 But I'm like, man, he's taken out champions.

01:22:54.000 He's taken out champions.

01:22:55.000 Gaethje was a champion.

01:22:56.000 He was in World Series, but he was a champion.

01:22:57.000 He took out Eddie, champion.

01:23:00.000 Max, champion.

01:23:01.000 He's like, all these guys, he's beating Sergio Pettis, I mean, Anthony Pettis, champion.

01:23:05.000 He's just champion after champion.

01:23:07.000 He also rises to the occasion.

01:23:08.000 He fought better against Max than any other fight he ever fought in his career.

01:23:12.000 That's the thing about him, though.

01:23:14.000 He just...

01:23:16.000 He's like the cream, you know?

01:23:18.000 He rises.

01:23:19.000 That's why his nickname is the diamond, you know?

01:23:22.000 What do you think happens when he fights Khabib?

01:23:27.000 Yeah, that's the one.

01:23:29.000 That's the fight.

01:23:30.000 That's the fight.

01:23:31.000 I mean, Khabib is the guy.

01:23:33.000 Khabib is definitely the guy.

01:23:35.000 And I was talking to him about it.

01:23:37.000 So, I started a new podcast.

01:23:40.000 What's it called?

01:23:41.000 Sup Fam.

01:23:42.000 Sup Fam?

01:23:43.000 Sup Fam.

01:23:45.000 Sup, fam, with Eve Edwards.

01:23:47.000 Yeah, I know.

01:23:48.000 I just released it today.

01:23:49.000 It's on my YouTube.

01:23:52.000 It just started today?

01:23:52.000 Yeah, well, I just released the first episode today.

01:23:54.000 Oh, all right.

01:23:55.000 And Dustin's my first guest.

01:23:57.000 Oh, perfect.

01:23:58.000 So I was out there with him last week, and we were just hanging out, and we talked about some of that, but what do I think happens?

01:24:04.000 This is a tough fight.

01:24:06.000 It's the toughest fight everybody's going to get, right?

01:24:10.000 I absolutely understand and agree that Khabib should be going in as the favorite.

01:24:16.000 Of course, I want Dustin to win this fight.

01:24:19.000 Every round starts on defeat.

01:24:22.000 Dustin's got to make smart moves every single time because when Khabib takes him down, it's...

01:24:30.000 It's virtually impossible to get back to your feet, right?

01:24:33.000 And that's where Khabib is going to want this fight to happen.

01:24:36.000 Dustin's going to have his opportunities, but is he going to be able to stop that wrestling consistently enough to make this fight happen where it's best for him?

01:24:46.000 And that's the hardest thing.

01:24:47.000 He's got a good training camp.

01:24:48.000 He's got really good people there with him.

01:24:50.000 He's got Mike Brown there.

01:24:51.000 You know who I want to get with him?

01:24:53.000 Gregor Gillespie.

01:24:54.000 I want Gregor Gillespie to get with Dustin and just get on top of him for the next two months.

01:25:01.000 Just feel that high-level wrestling.

01:25:03.000 Yeah.

01:25:03.000 Smashing pressure.

01:25:04.000 Just that pressure, pressure, pressure, and get comfortable working out of it, working under there, protecting yourself, doing that.

01:25:10.000 Would he be interested?

01:25:11.000 I mean, he might fight him down the road, though.

01:25:14.000 It's possible, right?

01:25:16.000 But Tyron and Robbie trained together a long time ago.

01:25:19.000 That's true.

01:25:20.000 Yeah, I mean, that's how you get better.

01:25:21.000 Yeah.

01:25:23.000 It's one of those things where it's like...

01:25:26.000 Sometimes you've got to trade with a potential rival.

01:25:30.000 It's not an enemy, but iron sharpens iron.

01:25:35.000 Sometimes you have to go with somebody that's a possible matchup in the future.

01:25:41.000 Especially if you're going to fight a guy who has that same style.

01:25:46.000 I think you nailed it too because Gregor Gillespie is probably, when you get past Khabib, the scariest wrestler in the division.

01:25:54.000 Yeah.

01:25:55.000 I mean, he's a guy that gets on top of people and just smashes them.

01:25:58.000 And he's relentless with his wrestling also.

01:26:00.000 He's a guy who's not going to get tired.

01:26:01.000 He's going to put that pressure on you.

01:26:03.000 He's going to come forward.

01:26:04.000 And once he gets a hold of you, if you don't use perfect technique to escape and get that distance back, he's just going to chain wrestle and chain wrestle.

01:26:13.000 There's no stopping until you're down.

01:26:15.000 Until he scores his two, the takedown is still happening. 0.94

01:26:19.000 Yeah, he's got some fucking relentless strength and conditioning sessions too that he puts on his Instagram. 0.87

01:26:24.000 You watch it and you go, oh, this is why this guy doesn't get tired. 1.00

01:26:27.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:26:28.000 That guy doesn't get tired because he's obsessed. 1.00

01:26:31.000 Yeah.

01:26:31.000 Like, he runs like five minute miles.

01:26:35.000 Does he really?

01:26:36.000 Like, he'll run like six of them.

01:26:38.000 Jesus Christ.

01:26:40.000 Like, he will run...

01:26:42.000 Like, he'll run eight miles and he'll keep the ball under six minutes.

01:26:45.000 So he'll run six miles and a half an hour?

01:26:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:48.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:26:48.000 He can do that. 1.00

01:26:50.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:26:51.000 Like, he's crazy. 1.00

01:26:52.000 Wow, that's crazy. 1.00

01:26:53.000 He's crazy obsessed.

01:26:54.000 That's high-level marathon pace, right?

01:26:56.000 Yeah.

01:26:57.000 Like, people don't know some of the things about these guys, like...

01:27:03.000 There was a point where training with these guys, I was just like, alright, man, I'm too old to be doing that.

01:27:08.000 Like, I can't.

01:27:09.000 I just can't keep up with that.

01:27:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:11.000 And that was one of them, man.

01:27:13.000 Gregor, like, we were on this Nike running app together.

01:27:16.000 And, like, I had to delete him off my thing because I was getting, like, discouraged.

01:27:22.000 Like, I'm not trying to beat that.

01:27:24.000 You know?

01:27:25.000 That's hilarious.

01:27:26.000 Like, for real.

01:27:28.000 You should go fishing with him.

01:27:29.000 I want to go fishing with that dude.

01:27:31.000 I want to take him fishing in the Bahamas.

01:27:32.000 Oh, that's a good spot, right?

01:27:34.000 Yeah.

01:27:34.000 And line fishing.

01:27:36.000 Not like with the rod.

01:27:38.000 We fish a lot of line fishing.

01:27:39.000 Oh, okay.

01:27:40.000 Just with your hands?

01:27:41.000 Yeah.

01:27:42.000 That's wild when you feel the fish on the line.

01:27:44.000 Oh, and you're just fighting and pulling.

01:27:46.000 I love that.

01:27:47.000 It's fun.

01:27:48.000 I mean, there's some fish, like, I'm not pulling up a grouper like that, you know?

01:27:51.000 Now, why do you prefer line fishing with your hands?

01:27:54.000 Just because it's the old school way?

01:27:55.000 Just because it's the way I grew up.

01:27:57.000 I knew it, you know?

01:27:59.000 Like, when we came, like, my cousin I told you about, who, you know, free dives, like, he'll spearfish.

01:28:05.000 So, I remember once, I was a little kid, and he was out with his dad, he was spearfishing, and he missed the fish, and he smacked the turtle.

01:28:14.000 Oh, I thought you were going to say his hand.

01:28:16.000 No, no.

01:28:17.000 His spear hit a turtle.

01:28:19.000 The turtle took off with his spear.

01:28:21.000 Oh, no.

01:28:22.000 Stuck in him?

01:28:23.000 Yeah.

01:28:23.000 I mean, it's potentially some turtle out there in the ocean right now.

01:28:26.000 The spear is stuck in him.

01:28:27.000 This is like 30 years ago.

01:28:28.000 Those things live forever.

01:28:29.000 They do live forever.

01:28:30.000 I wonder if it survived.

01:28:32.000 It calcified over the spear point.

01:28:34.000 Yeah.

01:28:35.000 I've never been spear fishing, but it looks like a hell of a lot of fun.

01:28:39.000 I have...

01:28:39.000 I've never spearfished, like, inside...

01:28:42.000 You know, I play with them on land.

01:28:45.000 And, of course, it's with the...

01:28:46.000 What's that?

01:28:48.000 The rubber, you know, kind of like a slingshot?

01:28:50.000 The bungee cord.

01:28:50.000 Yeah, the bungee cord.

01:28:51.000 So that one was cool.

01:28:52.000 But, of course, they have the guns.

01:28:54.000 I would like to use a spear gun.

01:28:56.000 But, like, I'm...

01:28:57.000 I don't know.

01:28:58.000 You kind of have to earn that right, I feel.

01:29:01.000 Yeah?

01:29:01.000 I got to go free diving with Curly and do some of that first.

01:29:05.000 What's the longest you think you can hold your breath underwater?

01:29:08.000 So we used to have this thing as a kid where I was, where we'd say we tried to blow the pool.

01:29:13.000 And I can swim an Olympic level.

01:29:17.000 Well, I have swam an Olympic length pool staying underwater.

01:29:20.000 Right, but how long does it take?

01:29:21.000 15 seconds?

01:29:22.000 Nah, that probably took me like 40, 45 seconds.

01:29:27.000 And then also you're swimming.

01:29:29.000 Yeah, you're exerting.

01:29:30.000 Yeah.

01:29:31.000 But I'm telling you, he goes down and he's under the water for easily three minutes.

01:29:36.000 You know who's supposed to be insane at that?

01:29:38.000 It's Egan.

01:29:38.000 Egan anyway?

01:29:39.000 I heard about that.

01:29:40.000 I heard he gave you six minutes, seven minutes.

01:29:44.000 Yeah.

01:29:46.000 It's like, I don't know, maybe it's from sucking up a choke.

01:29:49.000 I think it's just practice.

01:29:51.000 I think you just practice freediving.

01:29:53.000 And Hawaiians, they do that crazy workout. 0.98

01:29:55.000 There was a member of one of the countdown shows when BJ was supposed to be fighting George St. Pierre.

01:29:58.000 They had him doing his strength and conditioning in the water where he would dive underwater and pick up a rock and move it and drop it and swim to the surface and dive down again and pick up the rock, like a big-ass rock, and move it.

01:30:11.000 And that was part of his strength and conditioning.

01:30:16.000 I was good with my cardio.

01:30:18.000 There were times when I gassed.

01:30:20.000 When punches are coming at you, a lot of people blink.

01:30:23.000 A lot of people do that.

01:30:24.000 So that was my thing.

01:30:25.000 I keep my eyes open a long time.

01:30:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:27.000 So that whole steer cam thing, that kind of comes from that.

01:30:30.000 I just keep my eyes open, not blinking.

01:30:34.000 Those guys who do those underwater things, how do you think that relates to...

01:30:38.000 I understand you can hold your breath longer, but how do you think that relates to cardio?

01:30:42.000 Because your muscle's not working except to hold.

01:30:45.000 You carry the rock.

01:30:47.000 Well, the idea is doing the rock thing, like moving and carrying the rock while you're underwater.

01:30:52.000 I don't know, man.

01:30:53.000 I don't know enough about it.

01:30:54.000 But I know I had Laird Hamilton on recently.

01:30:57.000 He's a big-time surfer.

01:30:58.000 And one of the things that he's doing now, he has this whole program where they're doing weights in the water.

01:31:05.000 So they're doing like heavy dumbbells, and they'll bring them to the bottom of the water.

01:31:10.000 And you have to take the dumbbell, swim with it to the top, catch a breath of air, and then you go back down again.

01:31:16.000 And there's also doing some where they're taking like a 70-pound dumbbell, you hold it to your chest, and you're swimming through the water while you're trying to carry this dumbbell.

01:31:25.000 And, you know, extremely difficult to do.

01:31:28.000 The thing is...

01:31:30.000 How much is that applicable to fighting?

01:31:33.000 That's what I don't know.

01:31:35.000 Because I remember when I was like real heavily into jiu-jitsu at one point in time, I didn't do any striking for like a whole year.

01:31:44.000 I didn't even hit pads.

01:31:45.000 But I was in really good jiu-jitsu shape.

01:31:48.000 I was rolling a lot.

01:31:49.000 And then I went to hit pads. 0.98

01:31:51.000 I was like, God damn it, why am I gassing out so quick? 0.99

01:31:53.000 This is crazy. 0.99

01:31:54.000 It's a different shape, right?

01:31:55.000 Yeah, it's a different shape.

01:31:56.000 I'm always concerned about that or curious about that anyway because of all those different aspects of it.

01:32:04.000 There are times when you're grabbing onto something, holding onto something, and then you get back to your feet and all that lactic acid goes into your arms But you still feel...

01:32:15.000 Your conditioning feels good, but you just feel heavy.

01:32:18.000 But there's those times also when you're grappling, and then you get back to your feet, and then it's like your arms don't feel tired, but it's like...

01:32:25.000 It feels...

01:32:26.000 I don't know.

01:32:27.000 Is it because you're holding your breath?

01:32:29.000 And maybe that's what going on in the water is for?

01:32:31.000 I don't know.

01:32:31.000 You know, the people that trained BJ in the prime of his career was Marv Berinovich.

01:32:37.000 Do you remember that?

01:32:38.000 Yeah, I remember that name.

01:32:39.000 They had these ridiculous plyometric drills they had him doing.

01:32:43.000 And their attitude...

01:32:45.000 And Nick Kurson is one of their protégés.

01:32:48.000 And he still sort of has the same philosophy.

01:32:51.000 Their attitude is that...

01:32:53.000 You already know how to fight.

01:32:55.000 Like, you're already a skillful fighter.

01:32:57.000 When you get to the UFC, if you have 8 weeks to get ready for a fight or 12 weeks to get ready for a fight, the most important thing is your gas tank. 0.97

01:33:04.000 And that you should concentrate on these fucking preposterous plyometric drills and strength and conditioning drills and just get your body so you have the biggest fucking gas tank possible. 0.97

01:33:16.000 And then... 0.97

01:33:18.000 skills you just drill like that shouldn't have any any effect like cardio wise like if you're doing drills as far as like striking grappling combination drills or whatever you're doing like those things should almost be secondary to strength and conditioning yeah that's I kind of agree with that.

01:33:37.000 I mean, there's a point where, yeah, you can always improve technique-wise.

01:33:41.000 But are you going to do that in an eight-week camp?

01:33:43.000 Right.

01:33:44.000 No, you do that in your downtime.

01:33:47.000 You do that when you're not in camp.

01:33:48.000 When camp comes, it's all about being ready to fight for as long as you need to, as hard as you can.

01:33:54.000 And I think their attitude also is that this way you're doing way less sparring, way less opportunity to get hurt. 0.75

01:34:00.000 And mostly it's these crazy plyo drills, box jumps and all this crazy shit, medicine ball stuff, all this stuff where you just explode, explode, explode, explode, explode. 0.76

01:34:11.000 Everything is just go, go, go, go, go, so that your body's just used to that. 0.95

01:34:15.000 So that when you get into a fight, your body has this insane gas tank.

01:34:19.000 And they might, I mean, there's something to it, because those were BJ's best days.

01:34:24.000 The Sean Shirk fight, the Diego Sanchez fight. 1.00

01:34:27.000 That was prime BJ Penn when he was the motherfucker of motherfuckers. 1.00

01:34:32.000 That was what was up. 1.00

01:34:33.000 I mean, he was training with the Marinovichs.

01:34:35.000 Did you see that video of him beating up the bouncer recently?

01:34:38.000 Sad.

01:34:40.000 That's sad.

01:34:41.000 He's obviously having a real tough time, man.

01:34:43.000 I didn't...

01:34:44.000 I just saw the video.

01:34:45.000 I don't know how it happened.

01:34:46.000 I don't know what's...

01:34:47.000 Yeah, he's just inside control with flip-flops on.

01:34:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:50.000 But here's my thing.

01:34:52.000 I don't know the situation that led to it.

01:34:54.000 I only saw that he's on top of the guy.

01:34:56.000 And I'm like, this is in Hawaii.

01:34:59.000 Who picks a fight with BJ Penn in Hawaii?

01:35:01.000 Or who even steps to BJ Penn in Hawaii?

01:35:04.000 I mean, I understand.

01:35:05.000 I don't know the situation.

01:35:07.000 If it's like, BJ, you gotta leave and he's not listening, you try to get BJ's friends to go.

01:35:10.000 Talk to your guy, man.

01:35:11.000 Get him out of here.

01:35:12.000 But you don't go toe-to-toe with BJ Penn, right? 1.00

01:35:15.000 Seems stupid. 1.00

01:35:17.000 It's just a bad choice. 1.00

01:35:18.000 I don't get it.

01:35:19.000 Hey, did Max Holloway, is he the one who started the bottle cap challenge?

01:35:22.000 Do we know that for a fact?

01:35:24.000 He was the first one I saw.

01:35:25.000 I'm so tired of seeing people kick bottle caps off.

01:35:28.000 I was going to say, there's something different about his is that the cap stayed on the bottle.

01:35:33.000 Everyone else was just kicking the cap off.

01:35:34.000 I think that was just coincidental.

01:35:37.000 I know, but that might be to the bottle of Tito's I think that he used, but that's a little more impressive than some of the other people just knocking it off.

01:35:44.000 Slightly, slightly, but it's not that big of a deal either.

01:35:46.000 Listen, there's a reason why so many people are doing it.

01:35:50.000 It's not that hard.

01:35:51.000 It's just not that hard.

01:35:52.000 You throw a wheel kick like this.

01:35:54.000 You just get someone to hold it.

01:35:55.000 You get someone to hold it tight, and the wheel kick goes like this.

01:35:58.000 And you have the bottle cap barely on, so the bottle cap is like this.

01:36:01.000 And you just make sure you throw a wheel kick like that.

01:36:03.000 But you don't knock it off.

01:36:04.000 Everyone else knocked it off.

01:36:05.000 He kept it on.

01:36:06.000 Well, I think people using water bottle caps, which have a shallow set of grooves, whereas the bottle that he used has a deeper groove.

01:36:14.000 Would it be more impressive if they showed the whole bottle and there's not someone holding it, and you only grazed it?

01:36:20.000 I guess.

01:36:21.000 I guess.

01:36:22.000 To me, I've never even thought once about doing it.

01:36:25.000 I know how to throw a wheel kick.

01:36:27.000 I'm not going to do it.

01:36:28.000 It seems silly to me.

01:36:30.000 Like with Jason Statham's doing it. 1.00

01:36:32.000 When John Mayer did it, the fucking shark was jumped. 0.99

01:36:38.000 But that's what Max challenged, wasn't it? 1.00

01:36:39.000 That assassin.

01:36:40.000 I think Max called him out on it.

01:36:42.000 He did he?

01:36:42.000 He called out John Mayer?

01:36:44.000 Why?

01:36:45.000 It's like, why does Justin Bieber want to fight Tom Cruise?

01:36:47.000 There's so many questions.

01:36:49.000 I would watch it.

01:36:51.000 I would watch it. 0.99

01:36:53.000 I think Tom Cruise will fuck him up with all those crazy voodoo superpowers that he has that he got from Scientology. 1.00

01:36:59.000 And the aliens. 0.99

01:37:00.000 And belief in himself.

01:37:01.000 Man, the fights last weekend.

01:37:03.000 Yeah.

01:37:04.000 Right?

01:37:04.000 So I didn't want to watch them.

01:37:06.000 I was in Texas and I called.

01:37:08.000 There's this ice cream and they were in Austin.

01:37:10.000 I was like, they never have it.

01:37:12.000 And they had it one time.

01:37:13.000 I drove from Houston to Austin to get some ice cream.

01:37:16.000 Really?

01:37:16.000 Yeah.

01:37:17.000 You drove from Houston to Austin?

01:37:18.000 That's like three hours.

01:37:20.000 Yeah.

01:37:20.000 You drove three hours for ice cream.

01:37:23.000 I did.

01:37:23.000 Oh my god, you're embracing the fatness.

01:37:28.000 It was worth it, man.

01:37:29.000 No, you're making all these jokes about your weight.

01:37:32.000 You're like getting ready for people to see you in the later stage James Toney career.

01:37:37.000 Remember?

01:37:38.000 Yup.

01:37:38.000 I don't want to be James Toney.

01:37:40.000 I want to still be able to take off my shirt, but man, I had to go get it.

01:37:44.000 Oh, wow.

01:37:45.000 But I did watch the fights.

01:37:46.000 And I watched the main card. 0.99

01:37:48.000 Francis is fucking terrifying. 1.00

01:37:51.000 Right? 1.00

01:37:52.000 He's fucking terrifying. 0.99

01:37:54.000 Like when JDS missed. 1.00

01:37:56.000 Yeah.

01:37:57.000 You can't make mistakes against him because you take one and that could be it.

01:38:00.000 Well, I felt like JDS was doing pretty good in the beginning with the leg kicks.

01:38:05.000 That's what you need to do with Francis.

01:38:07.000 You need to keep moving and kick those legs. 0.93

01:38:10.000 It'd be interesting to see if...

01:38:12.000 Well, I mean, obviously Alistair was the most elite striker.

01:38:15.000 He's the most decorated striker in the whole division.

01:38:18.000 And one of the most decorated strikers ever.

01:38:20.000 And Francis still nuked him.

01:38:22.000 He just nukes guys. 0.99

01:38:23.000 All he has to do is hit you, man. 1.00

01:38:25.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:38:26.000 You saw... 0.89

01:38:27.000 I can't say his last name.

01:38:30.000 Champion Dalla is his nickname.

01:38:32.000 He fought on the undercard.

01:38:34.000 I think he was Cameroonian also.

01:38:36.000 I didn't see the undercard.

01:38:37.000 The only thing I saw was the Francis fight.

01:38:39.000 This guy looks like if you take Tyron Woodley and made him bigger, stronger, faster.

01:38:48.000 What?

01:38:49.000 What's his name?

01:38:51.000 I don't know his last name.

01:38:55.000 I can't pronounce it.

01:38:57.000 Is he a new acquiree?

01:39:00.000 I think this was his debut.

01:39:03.000 Honestly, I would like to see him in Alonzo Mennefeel at some point.

01:39:09.000 They both look.

01:39:10.000 It would be like watching two G.I. Joe figures.

01:39:15.000 Just getting in there and going to town.

01:39:17.000 Do you know that heavyweight that fights in one FC? They call him the Panther.

01:39:21.000 He just did the bottle cap challenge too.

01:39:23.000 He did a hook kick and then a wheel kick with a different leg.

01:39:25.000 No. 0.93

01:39:26.000 He's this dude who is another one of those preposterous looking fellas that just unbelievably jacked.

01:39:35.000 And a heavyweight.

01:39:36.000 Okay, here it is.

01:39:38.000 We're going to see the highlight.

01:39:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:43.000 Oh my god, he's fast.

01:39:46.000 Yeah, I see what you're saying.

01:39:48.000 And he's just so big and powerful.

01:39:51.000 This is light heavyweight.

01:39:52.000 Light heavyweight. 0.99

01:39:53.000 Oh, that's interesting because this fucking weight class needs some new blood, that's for sure. 0.99

01:39:59.000 I mean, yep, that's a wrap. 0.99

01:40:01.000 Quick. 0.99

01:40:01.000 Damn. 0.99

01:40:04.000 I'm like, man, you want to come make a million dollars? 0.99

01:40:09.000 How many contracts, I mean, these contracts, how many fights do they put them under?

01:40:15.000 Just for the year?

01:40:16.000 So to get to the million, it's five fights.

01:40:19.000 And if you win, do you have to stay in the PFL for a certain amount of time?

01:40:23.000 You do not have to stay.

01:40:25.000 Actually, when it comes to that, I don't know the details on champions, but I know that the semifinalists have returned.

01:40:34.000 So I haven't read everyone's contract or anyone's contract, really.

01:40:37.000 But thinking that the semifinalists returned, I don't know if there's a right to first refusal in the contract.

01:40:46.000 Do you like the whole point scoring format thing?

01:40:50.000 Do you think it's a good added element?

01:40:52.000 I like it.

01:40:55.000 And not necessarily because it changes how people fight.

01:40:59.000 Fighting in this organization, I believe, you're a little more loose.

01:41:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:04.000 You show up and you know you have to win.

01:41:06.000 You try to win and you try to win.

01:41:08.000 You don't just try to get the W. There's a lot of fights sometimes when you're on the bubble and you're fighting very cautious.

01:41:18.000 I feel like with this rule set, you get to just be yourself out there.

01:41:22.000 You always want to win.

01:41:24.000 You're always going to fight to win, but you don't necessarily change your style to play the rules.

01:41:31.000 You're just going to fight the way you fight.

01:41:35.000 The only thing that concerns me is that it's a little complicated.

01:41:39.000 Paying attention to all the...

01:41:41.000 For the fans?

01:41:42.000 Yeah, the points and all that jazz.

01:41:43.000 So, I understand why you would say that, but if you're watching the broadcast, you got me, Sean, Randy behind the desk, and we're trying to keep people updated with the points and how that works, and it's really not that hard.

01:41:58.000 Who's Sean?

01:41:59.000 Sean O'Connell.

01:42:00.000 Oh, so he's doing commentary now.

01:42:01.000 So he's doing commentary now.

01:42:01.000 He was a radio guy, right?

01:42:03.000 Yeah, he was a radio guy on Sirius.

01:42:06.000 Like a sports radio guy.

01:42:07.000 I think he still has that program.

01:42:09.000 Good for him.

01:42:10.000 Yeah.

01:42:11.000 That's amazing.

01:42:11.000 And now he's a millionaire.

01:42:13.000 He's a millionaire and he's diversified his portfolio.

01:42:15.000 And he retired.

01:42:16.000 He retired from fighting.

01:42:17.000 And now he's in the booth with Randy and I. That's amazing.

01:42:20.000 And I think he's a pretty good play-by-play guy.

01:42:23.000 Especially as a former fighter.

01:42:25.000 Not a lot of play-by-play guys are former fighters.

01:42:27.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:42:28.000 It's usually color.

01:42:29.000 And he fought well in the UFC, too.

01:42:32.000 He's a tough guy.

01:42:33.000 Yeah, I mean, and it's weird.

01:42:35.000 I always make fun of him.

01:42:36.000 I always tell him, like, you fight like Homer Simpson, but your fight IQ is higher.

01:42:42.000 Why do you say it fights like Homer Simpson?

01:42:43.000 Because he takes so many shots, man.

01:42:45.000 He just stands in front of you and just trades punches.

01:42:48.000 But he had to use his brain to beat Vinny.

01:42:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:52.000 Yeah.

01:42:52.000 Because if Vinny takes you down and gets on top, he's going to grind himself to a submission.

01:42:56.000 Yeah.

01:42:57.000 But with Sean, he was, you know, he backed away from the, because all of his other fights all season were the Homer Simpson fights, you know?

01:43:05.000 Like, he got hit sometimes, but he just came back and bombed on you and knocked everybody out.

01:43:10.000 He lost every first round that he fought.

01:43:13.000 One of them, he lost the entire fight.

01:43:15.000 But every other fight that he fought, he lost the first round and then came back and just bombed on guys.

01:43:21.000 Even with Vinny, he lost the first round.

01:43:23.000 But as far as the points go with that, you have us communicating how the points work.

01:43:31.000 I remember being in your position before the season started thinking, oh, the points thing is, it's going to be weird.

01:43:37.000 It's going to throw people off.

01:43:38.000 But legit, you see that play out one time, it's like, oh, it's simple.

01:43:42.000 It makes sense.

01:43:43.000 You know, you start watching guys like, so this next round of fights coming up on the 11th and on the 25th and August 8th.

01:43:49.000 We have the different weight, two weight classes per show, right?

01:43:52.000 And...

01:43:53.000 So we start with the women's lightweights and the welterweights.

01:43:56.000 Then we have the featherweights and the men's lightweights.

01:43:58.000 And then we have the light heavies and the heavies.

01:44:00.000 So on those dates.

01:44:02.000 But when you think about the points, you understand that these guys are on the bubble.

01:44:09.000 You're watching it like the NFL playoffs when the last two weeks of the playoffs is like, this guy needs to beat this guy.

01:44:15.000 But this guy has to finish before this time.

01:44:17.000 If he can get this win in the second round in less than two and a half minutes...

01:44:22.000 Then he's in the playoffs.

01:44:23.000 But if it goes past two and a half, he's out.

01:44:26.000 Interesting.

01:44:27.000 But we're communicating that through each fight, especially in this second round of the regular season.

01:44:33.000 But you're watching that because these guys know that also.

01:44:37.000 Right, right, right.

01:44:40.000 It's weird because in a fight, you're not thinking about anything else but the guy in front of you.

01:44:44.000 But you go in there with that mentality, that's already on the board.

01:44:48.000 There's a pin in that.

01:44:49.000 You don't have to think about it consciously, but it's in your subconscious at some point.

01:44:52.000 You play to that mentality.

01:44:55.000 But even if you get out of that, if you get beyond that, then you're still...

01:44:58.000 There's the pride thing.

01:44:59.000 And this is a format that didn't exist with the PFL. Or with the World Series.

01:45:04.000 World Series of Fighting, rather.

01:45:05.000 No.

01:45:05.000 This is a new format.

01:45:07.000 This is a new format.

01:45:07.000 So that's why they changed the name.

01:45:09.000 They changed the name.

01:45:09.000 They changed the name just before they introduced this format.

01:45:12.000 But I believe that the name was changed going into this format.

01:45:15.000 I think they had one event as the Professional Fighters League without this seasonal format.

01:45:20.000 I don't know, man.

01:45:21.000 I might be too old school.

01:45:22.000 You might be too old school, but if you say that, you gotta try it.

01:45:27.000 You're a fight fan.

01:45:28.000 And I promise you, as a fight fan, you're gonna appreciate it.

01:45:32.000 Okay, tell me what card to watch.

01:45:34.000 What's a good upcoming card?

01:45:36.000 The next card is a real one because besides the women, you got Kayla Harrison, the judo two-time Olympia.

01:45:42.000 She's a beast. 1.00

01:45:44.000 Right? 1.00

01:45:44.000 She's a beast. 1.00

01:45:45.000 She's a beast, but she needs to get a finish to guarantee herself a playoff spot because she fought her last fight. 1.00

01:45:52.000 She fought her toughest opponent who took her to a decision.

01:45:54.000 She won the fight convincingly, but she couldn't get herself a stoppage. 1.00

01:45:58.000 Sarah Kaufman is...

01:46:01.000 Sarah Kaufman is sitting at the top of the women's rankings with a finish.

01:46:04.000 There are some really good women out there too. 1.00

01:46:07.000 There are these two kickboxers. 0.91

01:46:08.000 They fought each other last time.

01:46:09.000 Bobby Joe DL and Jenna Fabian.

01:46:11.000 They're both built like European kickboxers. 0.86

01:46:14.000 They're tall, lanky, long women. 1.00

01:46:16.000 And they're legit good kickboxers.

01:46:18.000 They went toe-to-toe at each other.

01:46:21.000 They're fighting this week.

01:46:22.000 They're not fighting each other.

01:46:25.000 Jenna Fabian needs a W to get into the playoffs. 1.00

01:46:28.000 So those fights are good.

01:46:29.000 And then, of course, we have the welterweights.

01:46:30.000 We're talking about Magomed, Magomed Karamov, and Chris Curtis.

01:46:35.000 I don't know if you know Chris Curtis.

01:46:36.000 He was on...

01:46:38.000 I think he was LFA champion or RFA champion.

01:46:42.000 And he was on Contenders.

01:46:44.000 He won his fight in Contenders.

01:46:45.000 I don't know why he didn't get a contract.

01:46:46.000 But he's really, really good.

01:46:49.000 He's one of those guys.

01:46:49.000 He's been training with...

01:46:52.000 Henderson and those guys for a long time.

01:46:53.000 Now he's in Vegas with Extreme Couture there.

01:46:57.000 And then the John Howard-Ray Cooper fight.

01:47:00.000 As a fight fan, I know you appreciate that.

01:47:04.000 Excellent fight.

01:47:05.000 So when is that?

01:47:05.000 That is on July 11th.

01:47:07.000 That's next Thursday.

01:47:09.000 Next Thursday.

01:47:10.000 And plus.

01:47:12.000 Beautiful.

01:47:12.000 Yeah, I'm around.

01:47:13.000 I'm going to watch that fight.

01:47:14.000 That sounds good.

01:47:15.000 I'm legit.

01:47:16.000 When we sit down for the broadcast, I'm texting you.

01:47:19.000 Okay.

01:47:20.000 You got it.

01:47:20.000 If you don't respond, I'm going to put you on blast on television.

01:47:25.000 I'll text you back, I promise.

01:47:27.000 This guy does, like on ESPN +, we're on ESPN +, and Joe Rogan is nowhere to be found.

01:47:33.000 I can't have that happen.

01:47:34.000 I'll be paying attention.

01:47:36.000 So all the fights are going to be on ESPN +, because sometimes when the ESPN2 fights, you can't get them on ESPN +, unless you have it set up.

01:47:45.000 Okay, so a lot of times, so we bounce between ESPN Plus and 2. I don't know the format for the first fight.

01:47:51.000 I can't remember which section of the card is on ESPN 2 and then on Plus.

01:47:54.000 Oh, there it is.

01:47:55.000 So we're on Plus at 5.30 to 8.30, East Coast time, and then on 2 from 8.30 to 10.30.

01:48:01.000 The great thing about ESPN, including with the UFC, is that so many sports fans just have ESPN on automatically.

01:48:10.000 Absolutely.

01:48:10.000 Like, I was at a pool hall on Saturday night.

01:48:13.000 I did a show in Baltimore, and then we went to a pool hall.

01:48:16.000 We got there right when Junior was entering into the octagon.

01:48:19.000 It was perfect.

01:48:20.000 It was perfect timing. 0.99

01:48:22.000 And I was like, don't blink, because this fucking probably ain't going to make it out of the first round. 0.98

01:48:26.000 Yeah, that was a fight. 0.99

01:48:28.000 I was telling my grandmother about that fight.

01:48:30.000 Like, I'm not bullshitting you.

01:48:32.000 She was... 0.97

01:48:33.000 It's interesting that Francis wants another shot at the title.

01:48:38.000 I mean, I don't know why they wouldn't give him another shot at the title.

01:48:41.000 In my opinion, it's like, what you got now is Stipe versus DC. That irons out who's the champ, right?

01:48:48.000 And thank God they made that fight instead of the Brock Lesnar fight.

01:48:52.000 I mean, I think the Brock Lesnar fight would have been fun, and I love DC. I want him to get paid.

01:48:57.000 I think he sends Brock Lesnar into another dimension.

01:49:00.000 That's what I think happens in that fight.

01:49:02.000 And I think he gets a big payday, and that's all great.

01:49:04.000 But the reality is, the real fight's Stipe.

01:49:07.000 Stipe's the most successful UFC heavyweight champion of all time, the only guy to ever defend the title four times, and the only guy to survive the fucking hurricane that is Francis Ngannou. 0.79

01:49:17.000 The only guy. 0.80

01:49:18.000 Yeah.

01:49:19.000 He figured it out.

01:49:20.000 He figured it out.

01:49:20.000 Just weather the storm.

01:49:22.000 You know, just roll with the punches. 1.00

01:49:24.000 Kick the legs. 0.99

01:49:25.000 Jab. 0.83

01:49:26.000 Move.

01:49:27.000 Use your wrestling.

01:49:28.000 Wrestle.

01:49:28.000 I mean, but he had to stop.

01:49:30.000 He had to avoid the punches at first.

01:49:32.000 Yeah.

01:49:32.000 And he's got...

01:49:33.000 You know, that was an interesting thing, too, I was thinking.

01:49:36.000 The fight with Stipe, with Francis...

01:49:39.000 How much did that take out of Stipe?

01:49:41.000 Because even though he won that fight, when DC knocked him out with one punch, you're like, wow, that's crazy.

01:49:46.000 You don't see Stipe getting knocked out like that.

01:49:49.000 I wonder if he was still suffering from the Ngannou fight, which was only a few months before that.

01:49:55.000 I don't know if he was still suffering from that versus...

01:49:58.000 It's a perfect punch too.

01:50:00.000 That's the thing.

01:50:02.000 And DC talked about it.

01:50:03.000 He talked about, we saw this being an option in this fight.

01:50:07.000 This being an opportunity to land this shot.

01:50:10.000 And he did it.

01:50:12.000 That's the thing.

01:50:14.000 If Francis, anybody, probably anybody with any power, of course, if Francis lands that shot, lights out also.

01:50:20.000 But he didn't see it, and he didn't have the skill set to provide that opportunity.

01:50:26.000 So I think that might be more telling than...

01:50:30.000 It was such a perfect punch, too.

01:50:32.000 He gets rid of the arm on the left side, then boom, the right hand comes over.

01:50:38.000 That kind of thing, that makes me appreciate the fight IQ of a guy like Cormier.

01:50:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:44.000 Because, again, Ngannou, bigger puncher, but he just doesn't have the skill set that DC has.

01:50:51.000 And seeing that, you remember him talking about that in the post-fight.

01:50:54.000 That was something they saw, and...

01:50:57.000 To know that that's there and find that opportunity to make that opportunity happen.

01:51:02.000 That's high-level stuff, man.

01:51:05.000 High-level stuff.

01:51:06.000 That's what the best guys do.

01:51:07.000 I heard that DC looks fantastic in camp.

01:51:10.000 I heard it looks so good.

01:51:11.000 But I'm really interested to see what a motivated, hungry, out-for-revenge Stipe can do.

01:51:19.000 And, like, he knows to take that away.

01:51:22.000 Yeah.

01:51:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:24.000 He kind of got into it.

01:51:27.000 He explained exactly what they saw and how they figured to use that against him.

01:51:32.000 So, like, Stipe is also, like you said, he's the most decorated heavyweight champion.

01:51:36.000 He's the most successful.

01:51:38.000 That success didn't come from, like, not only his skill set, but also his mentality.

01:51:43.000 So he has to go back into the gym, break that down, take that out of his game.

01:51:47.000 You know, make that not a thing.

01:51:49.000 And also now he knows that the title is everything.

01:51:52.000 You lose the title, people don't even talk about you.

01:51:55.000 They stop talking about him.

01:51:56.000 You know, I felt obliged.

01:51:58.000 I felt like I had an obligation to talk about Stipe.

01:52:01.000 I'm like, no one's talking about him.

01:52:03.000 Like, how are you not talking about the most successful heavyweight champion of all time?

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:07.000 The guy who...

01:52:09.000 I understand him having to have one fight before getting rematch, or he could have legitimately just got the rematch because of his resume as champion.

01:52:19.000 I don't know.

01:52:20.000 I don't like that part of fighting where you're only as good as your last fight.

01:52:25.000 Yeah, no, I don't like it either.

01:52:28.000 I just feel like...

01:52:29.000 I get the business aspect of it.

01:52:32.000 I get that.

01:52:33.000 But I feel like a fighter like that, you gotta give him a rematch.

01:52:38.000 You have to.

01:52:39.000 He deserves it.

01:52:40.000 He's a champion.

01:52:42.000 He earned it.

01:52:42.000 Like a legit champion.

01:52:44.000 The guy says he wants a rematch.

01:52:46.000 Set it up.

01:52:47.000 So, quick question where that's concerned.

01:52:49.000 When you say that, right...

01:52:52.000 Woodley, of course, you had GSP, you had Matt Hughes, they had long title runs also, but the fight with Kamaru, Kamaru was so dominant in that fight.

01:53:02.000 What does Woodley need to do to get a rematch?

01:53:05.000 That's an interesting question, because it's a different thing, right?

01:53:07.000 Yep.

01:53:08.000 I guess it's a different thing, but is it really?

01:53:10.000 I mean, is it really different to dominate a guy than to hit him with one punch?

01:53:15.000 I mean, it kind of is, but it's also, you're dealing with a guy who was a long-time champion who dominated the division, a guy who just blew Darren Till's title shot hopes up in the smithereens.

01:53:30.000 That was the big one, right?

01:53:31.000 Yeah.

01:53:32.000 Darren Till one, because that one was confusing to me.

01:53:35.000 I'm like, how is he the betting favorite?

01:53:37.000 I don't understand it.

01:53:38.000 I get it he beat Cowboy, and I get it he dropped Wonderboy, but this is...

01:53:42.000 Tyron Woodley's a guy who's battle-tested, man.

01:53:45.000 He's been in there with everybody.

01:53:48.000 I felt that was one of the weirder, believing the hype things, in terms of the bookmakers.

01:53:54.000 Yeah, and it worked out well for hardcore fans that knew.

01:54:00.000 But yeah, Camaro was so dominant.

01:54:03.000 And then you got Colby Covington who still has the claim to the interim.

01:54:08.000 They took it away from him.

01:54:10.000 But he's fighting Robbie.

01:54:12.000 So that's a fight I'm interested in.

01:54:16.000 Because we all used to train together.

01:54:19.000 When Robbie was getting ready for Johnny Hendricks.

01:54:22.000 Remember, Kobe's a wrestler.

01:54:24.000 Yeah.

01:54:24.000 And he's a southpaw.

01:54:25.000 Right.

01:54:26.000 You know?

01:54:26.000 It was years ago, and Kobe's grown a lot since then.

01:54:30.000 But, I mean, those guys spent a lot of time on the mat together a couple years ago, you know?

01:54:36.000 How did those training sessions go?

01:54:37.000 I can't tell you that.

01:54:38.000 Yes, you can.

01:54:39.000 You don't even work for the organization anymore.

01:54:41.000 Yeah, but, like, one of them's an acquaintance and another is a good friend. 0.97

01:54:45.000 Blink twice if Robbie fucked him up. 0.99

01:54:50.000 A stair cap. 0.98

01:54:54.000 You know what I like about it?

01:54:55.000 Robbie looked physically fantastic in his last fight.

01:54:59.000 And I know he lost to Ben Askren.

01:55:01.000 It was a crazy, controversial situation.

01:55:04.000 I don't know, man.

01:55:05.000 I went over it with Herb Dean.

01:55:06.000 We watched the fight again when Herb was in here.

01:55:08.000 I kind of believe him.

01:55:10.000 The way his arm just dropped like that, I'm like, that seems like he was out.

01:55:14.000 I believe that Herb felt he was out.

01:55:18.000 I don't think Robbie was out.

01:55:19.000 I think he was out for a second.

01:55:20.000 I think so.

01:55:21.000 Yeah, I think he was out for a second, and I think when Herb came over, then Ben let the choke up.

01:55:27.000 I'm going to watch that again in slow motion, but you don't come back from a choke instantly.

01:55:30.000 Well, you do if he was letting the choke up while you were fighting.

01:55:34.000 So if Herb's coming over, and he thinks Robbie's out, and he starts to let up, and then the blood rushes to the brain, and then Herb stops the fight, and he lets it go, and then he's up like nothing happened.

01:55:45.000 Depends on how long you've been out.

01:55:47.000 If you're out for only a second, it depends.

01:55:50.000 It depends on how tight the choke is.

01:55:52.000 Is the blood kind of getting in there and then not getting in there?

01:55:55.000 I'm going to leave it alone because now we're getting into conjecture.

01:55:58.000 I can't.

01:55:58.000 We're just guessing now.

01:56:01.000 Yeah, it was...

01:56:03.000 Disappointing, but also if he just put him to sleep, that would have been definitive, but it was just so confusing.

01:56:09.000 We thought he was out, and then he wasn't out, and we were like, what?

01:56:11.000 And then most people thought they had to run it back.

01:56:14.000 Most people.

01:56:15.000 Yeah, I thought so too.

01:56:17.000 I'm surprised they're not, but I'm down for him and Masvidal. 0.97

01:56:21.000 Yes.

01:56:22.000 I like that fight.

01:56:23.000 Yes.

01:56:24.000 I like that fight a lot.

01:56:25.000 Because Masvidal can wrestle. 0.99

01:56:27.000 Masvidal can wrestle and he's super crafty and he's mean as fuck. 0.99

01:56:32.000 He's a mean man, you know? 0.99

01:56:35.000 I'm not going to lie, man.

01:56:36.000 I'm going to tell you, of all the people I've trained with...

01:56:39.000 I think overall, when you put the entirety of mixed martial arts is together, Masvidal might be the best.

01:56:46.000 Real?

01:56:47.000 Like, his boxing is some of the best in the sport of mixed martial arts.

01:56:53.000 He's not a kickboxer, but he's confident and comfortable with all the kicks.

01:56:58.000 Wrestling?

01:56:58.000 His wrestling is way beyond a guy who never wrestled.

01:57:02.000 Like, you know?

01:57:03.000 He's like division one level, you know, at the very least.

01:57:06.000 And then his jiu-jitsu, people sleep on his jiu-jitsu, man.

01:57:09.000 Masvidal is legit on the ground.

01:57:12.000 The first day I went into American Top 10, we had fought each other before, and I figured, nah, this guy's horrible on the ground, we just go.

01:57:18.000 But I was surprised.

01:57:19.000 And this was like 12 years ago, 10, 12 years ago, you know?

01:57:23.000 And he's day in, day out.

01:57:26.000 He's a worker.

01:57:27.000 He's constantly working on his craft.

01:57:29.000 He's constantly working to get better.

01:57:31.000 Ben Askren, you know he's got the ground.

01:57:33.000 You know he's got the wrestling.

01:57:35.000 But Masvidal's defensive wrestling, is Askren going to be able to maul him like he's done to everybody else?

01:57:41.000 And he's got to close that distance.

01:57:43.000 He's got to close that distance.

01:57:44.000 On the feet, Masvidal has a giant advantage.

01:57:47.000 Just giant.

01:57:48.000 Good footwork, great hands.

01:57:51.000 But Askren has this crazy way of getting a hold of people.

01:57:55.000 Even Robbie, even after Robbie was blasting his brains into another dimension, he still got up and was grabbing Robbie.

01:58:04.000 It's like he has this ability to grab people and hold onto people.

01:58:07.000 Like, if you watch the Douglas Lima fight or the Koreshkov fight in Bellator, you're like, Jesus Christ.

01:58:13.000 Like, he ragdolls people. 0.99

01:58:16.000 It's weird.

01:58:17.000 Yeah, he's hard to get away from.

01:58:19.000 He's very hard to get away from.

01:58:21.000 I remember when I first met Ben, he went to this tournament.

01:58:25.000 He used to do tournaments in college just to get more pins so he could have the pin record.

01:58:30.000 So he got the pin record for the University of Missouri.

01:58:36.000 But he would also, with other high-level wrestlers, he would just let people in on his legs so that he can get into these scrambles, that funk stuff that he does.

01:58:45.000 Yeah.

01:58:47.000 I remember he asked Dean Thomas one time.

01:58:49.000 He's wrestling on that same trip.

01:58:51.000 He's wrestling with Dean and he just stops everything.

01:58:53.000 He's like, do you know how to sprawl?

01:58:56.000 Like Dean didn't even know what a sprawl was because his wrestling is so good.

01:59:00.000 He was touching us and we were falling over.

01:59:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:04.000 Wow.

01:59:04.000 His wrestling is that good.

01:59:06.000 Well, that makes it even more impressive what Jordan Burroughs did to him.

01:59:11.000 When Jordan Burroughs and him had that wrestling match, there's levels.

01:59:14.000 And he said it afterwards, he put it on his Instagram, there's levels to this.

01:59:17.000 And there is, because he just ran them over.

01:59:20.000 Right through him.

01:59:22.000 Power doubles and everything.

01:59:23.000 Isn't it crazy, just when you think about that a guy who's the elite of the elite in wrestling is so much better than the elite of the elite in wrestling and MMA. MMA, yeah.

01:59:35.000 It is so much better.

01:59:37.000 But...

01:59:38.000 Would he have still been able to do that the same way if Ben was only wrestling over those years?

01:59:43.000 That's a big question.

01:59:44.000 It's hard to say because Jordan's so good.

01:59:46.000 Yeah.

01:59:47.000 He's so dominant.

01:59:48.000 It's hard to say.

01:59:49.000 Are you talking about, what, two-time Olympic champion?

01:59:51.000 Yeah.

01:59:52.000 And he's unbelievably explosive, too.

01:59:55.000 You ever seen his workouts?

01:59:56.000 Yeah.

01:59:57.000 All plyos, drills, explosive drills.

02:00:00.000 And he's just all about closing that distance with just ferocious energy.

02:00:06.000 Boom! 0.99

02:00:06.000 That dude. 0.99

02:00:07.000 He crosses that distance like it's not even there. 1.00

02:00:09.000 God damn, he's good. 0.99

02:00:10.000 Like he teleports. 0.99

02:00:11.000 I was hoping he was going to get into MMA, but it doesn't seem like he wants to.

02:00:14.000 No, I honestly, when he was still in school, so one of my buddies, Lin Oding, he was reaching out.

02:00:19.000 This is how I met Tyron.

02:00:21.000 He was reaching out to Division I wrestlers for me to help me with my wrestling.

02:00:25.000 After the Joe Stevenson fight, because I was like, I can't wrestle, right?

02:00:29.000 And Jordan Burroughs was one of the guys he reached out to, and he was just not interested in MMA at that point.

02:00:34.000 He was like, I'm going to the Olympics, I'm going to wrestle.

02:00:37.000 He had no interest.

02:00:38.000 I don't know where that stands now, because the sport is bigger, there's more money in it, but he's still having so much success wrestling.

02:00:46.000 Right, and who knows how much time, if any, he's put into striking.

02:00:51.000 Yeah, but that IQ of his, as far as wrestling, that athleticism, you know he's a hard worker.

02:00:58.000 Oh yeah, it will apply if he dedicates himself to it, but if he hasn't at all, he's so far behind the eight ball.

02:01:04.000 If he jumps in now with zero striking...

02:01:07.000 You know, like, how long would it take before he gets to a comfortable level of striking where he can hang in there?

02:01:12.000 You know, like, remember Kamaru?

02:01:14.000 Kamaru, when he first started fighting, was really just a wrestler.

02:01:16.000 Yeah.

02:01:17.000 But then you really saw in the Tyron fight, when he almost stopped Tyron on the feet, his striking is legit now.

02:01:23.000 His fight with Moraes.

02:01:26.000 Yeah, Sergio Moraes.

02:01:27.000 That was where I started to recognize his striking is improving.

02:01:32.000 Yeah.

02:01:32.000 And you could see it.

02:01:33.000 If you watch his fights from then, You can see each time a vast improvement in his striking.

02:01:38.000 But what I like about that is his wrestling didn't really fade.

02:01:42.000 His wrestling still stayed sharp.

02:01:44.000 And that's where I'm like, how do you do that?

02:01:46.000 Because there's only so much hours in a day.

02:01:49.000 What's also crazy with him is he can't run. 1.00

02:01:51.000 His knees are so fucked up. 1.00

02:01:53.000 I didn't know that. 1.00

02:01:54.000 He doesn't even care.

02:01:55.000 He doesn't mind talking about it. 0.98

02:01:57.000 He's like, Joe, my knees were so fucked up, I'd have to walk on the grass because I couldn't walk on the concrete because it hurt too much. 0.98

02:02:04.000 How do you fight at that level? 0.99

02:02:06.000 Like, if you can't run?

02:02:07.000 I don't understand.

02:02:08.000 Well, he just does, like, airdyne, bike.

02:02:11.000 But, I mean, how do they even work inside the octagon if you can't run on them?

02:02:16.000 Tough.

02:02:17.000 Just tough.

02:02:18.000 Unbelievable mental toughness.

02:02:19.000 I mean, I think he gets in there, he just forces his body to do whatever he wants it to do.

02:02:23.000 Did you ask him if he feels any pain when he's fighting?

02:02:26.000 He's in pain the whole time.

02:02:27.000 Wow.

02:02:29.000 You never see it.

02:02:30.000 You know he had a broken foot in that fight.

02:02:33.000 There's like a mindset that some people have.

02:02:36.000 The champion mindset.

02:02:38.000 All that stuff means nothing.

02:02:40.000 And he had hernias.

02:02:42.000 He had hernias surgery after the fight. 1.00

02:02:44.000 I mean, what the fuck, man? 1.00

02:02:47.000 Yeah, that's some different shit, man. 1.00

02:02:49.000 It's like Jordan Burrow says, there's levels. 1.00

02:02:51.000 There's levels to the mental game, too.

02:02:53.000 It's like some guys can just push through everything, and some guys will find a reason why they have to get out.

02:02:57.000 Yeah.

02:02:58.000 You know?

02:02:58.000 Yeah, there's that being in that moment, and now means everything.

02:03:03.000 There is no tomorrow.

02:03:05.000 Yep.

02:03:05.000 It's like, I like to...

02:03:08.000 I try to keep that mentality also in some of the things that I try to do now because like it was like I'm this kid from the Bahamas you know there's no reason that somebody in Japan should know my name but because of mixed martial arts because of my dedication to the sport because I wanted to be something in that that happened so it's like you just have to have that mentality of if I'm on a boat if I'm in the Bahamas I'm on a boat and my boat sinks and I'm out in the middle I'm 20 miles from land like If

02:03:38.000 I don't get to land, it's not because I failed.

02:03:40.000 I mean, it's not because I quit.

02:03:42.000 It's because I failed.

02:03:43.000 Right.

02:03:44.000 That mentality, that's how I look at guys like that.

02:03:47.000 Guys who just have no quitting them.

02:03:49.000 I feel like Uriah is like favors like that.

02:03:51.000 Yeah, the Mike Brown fight.

02:03:52.000 Perfect example.

02:03:53.000 He broke both his hands and was still throwing elbows, kicks, trying to take him down, doing anything he could.

02:04:00.000 Two broken hands.

02:04:01.000 Tony Ferguson. 0.99

02:04:02.000 Tony Ferguson is an animal. 0.97

02:04:03.000 An animal. 0.96

02:04:04.000 He's the scariest guy at 155 in my world.

02:04:07.000 I agree.

02:04:08.000 In my world.

02:04:09.000 Because he don't get tired.

02:04:10.000 That cowboy fight freaked me out.

02:04:13.000 Cowboy looked like Tony had bricks in his gloves.

02:04:17.000 Yeah.

02:04:17.000 His face was all busted up.

02:04:19.000 Tony didn't look like he had a scratch on him.

02:04:20.000 And Tony wasn't even tired.

02:04:21.000 Tony posted a meme, I feel like, a couple days ago.

02:04:24.000 He showed, like, his last seven opponents. 1.00

02:04:25.000 Yeah, they're all fucked up. 1.00

02:04:26.000 Like, they all fell off a train. 1.00

02:04:28.000 Yeah, it's crazy, man.

02:04:30.000 He has insane power, man.

02:04:33.000 It's like, it's a weird thing.

02:04:35.000 Because Tony does stuff to people.

02:04:38.000 And he doesn't get tired.

02:04:40.000 He doesn't get... 0.95

02:04:41.000 Like, he's legit crazy. 0.96

02:04:44.000 Yes. 0.97

02:04:44.000 Like, he doesn't... 0.97

02:04:45.000 Like, I don't know if he feels pain.

02:04:48.000 That kind of crazy.

02:04:50.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:50.000 Like, he will do things in there that...

02:04:52.000 I remember when we fought.

02:04:53.000 I'm South Pole.

02:04:54.000 He's orthodox, right?

02:04:55.000 He throws that inside kick.

02:04:57.000 And I'm turning my leg over to check it.

02:04:59.000 And, like, it was never at my knee.

02:05:02.000 He was throwing that at my shin.

02:05:04.000 Like, if you're throwing that calf kick...

02:05:07.000 With that open stance, you're throwing it at the shin.

02:05:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:11.000 So I checked it, and I was about to check, and then we banked shin to shin.

02:05:16.000 The middle of the shin to the middle of his shin. 0.99

02:05:18.000 And I remember thinking to myself, why the fuck would you do that? 0.99

02:05:21.000 Now we're both hurting. 0.99

02:05:22.000 I seriously hated that feeling, but...

02:05:25.000 Like, there was no reaction on his face.

02:05:28.000 It was nothing.

02:05:28.000 He was just, like, still on.

02:05:30.000 Just on to the next thing.

02:05:31.000 And I feel like, I'm glad I fought him then.

02:05:33.000 Because, like, look at him now. 0.99

02:05:34.000 He's, like, psychotic. 0.97

02:05:35.000 You know? 0.98

02:05:36.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:05:37.000 Tony Ferguson's last seven opponents.

02:05:40.000 Jesus Christ. 0.98

02:05:41.000 They're all bloody messes.

02:05:43.000 Even, like, his...

02:05:45.000 The things he posts. 0.94

02:05:46.000 Like, you get an insight to how crazy his mind is. 0.86

02:05:49.000 Like...

02:05:50.000 Did you see his press conference after Anthony Pettis?

02:05:57.000 No.

02:05:58.000 Yeah, he was talking about how he was going to be a doctor.

02:06:00.000 I think he said something like, he said, what did he say?

02:06:04.000 He said, oh, he said, you know what they call me?

02:06:07.000 Because he's like, yeah, he's a GQ guy.

02:06:10.000 He was talking about Anthony.

02:06:11.000 He's like, he's a GQ guy.

02:06:12.000 But you know what they call me?

02:06:13.000 They call me the GQ killer.

02:06:14.000 You know what that is?

02:06:16.000 It's an awesome nickname.

02:06:17.000 I would like to see what his conditioning workout is.

02:06:27.000 Because Eddie goes with him up to Big Bear.

02:06:29.000 And he trains with him.

02:06:31.000 And he says, you've never seen anything like it.

02:06:33.000 He said, everybody else in the camp can't keep up with him.

02:06:36.000 He works out, he goes, I've never seen anybody have this kind of dedication in a gas tank.

02:06:40.000 He said he works out a legitimate six hours a day.

02:06:42.000 He says he's running hills.

02:06:44.000 They do these hill sprints, and he said he laps everybody.

02:06:47.000 He goes all the way to the top before they do, goes down, and then beats them on the way up.

02:06:53.000 He said he just doesn't get tired.

02:06:54.000 Yeah.

02:06:55.000 I don't understand.

02:06:55.000 What is someone doing when their cardio is so much better than everybody else's?

02:07:00.000 Because the Cowboy fight, I'm telling you, man, I watched him from the moment they stopped the fight.

02:07:05.000 After the second round, I'm watching him, and he goes back to his corner.

02:07:09.000 Cowboy's face is a mess. 0.99

02:07:11.000 He's just beating the shit out of Cowboy. 1.00

02:07:13.000 He goes back to his corner. 0.98

02:07:14.000 His stomach isn't even heaving.

02:07:16.000 Yeah.

02:07:17.000 He's not breathing heavy.

02:07:18.000 I'm not going to lie to you.

02:07:20.000 I don't want to see this fight because I like both those guys.

02:07:23.000 But as a fight fan, I want to see this fight.

02:07:26.000 And that's him and Dustin.

02:07:27.000 Oh, him and Dustin would be insane.

02:07:29.000 Because those are two guys who don't know how to quit.

02:07:32.000 Well, if Dustin beats Khabib, that's the fight. 0.97

02:07:34.000 Yeah.

02:07:34.000 And if Dustin doesn't beat Khabib, Tony and Khabib's the fight.

02:07:38.000 Yeah.

02:07:38.000 They'll fight eventually, I'm sure.

02:07:40.000 Yeah. 0.75

02:07:41.000 I mean, that is a crazy-ass fight.

02:07:44.000 But the thing is, Tony's pace is so disturbing.

02:07:48.000 It's so disturbing.

02:07:49.000 Because I watch him fight guys, and I'm like, how do you keep up with that?

02:07:53.000 Nobody keeps up with it.

02:07:54.000 You've got to crack him.

02:07:56.000 You've got to catch him.

02:07:56.000 Anthony caught him, but he broke his hand.

02:08:00.000 But Pettis had him hurt.

02:08:01.000 And Lando had him hurt.

02:08:02.000 Lando Venata cracked him and had him hurt.

02:08:04.000 I remember that.

02:08:05.000 Yeah.

02:08:05.000 Yeah, but like...

02:08:07.000 He knows how to survive, though.

02:08:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:08:09.000 And also, it's weird because he doesn't survive like most people do.

02:08:13.000 He doesn't tie you up and try to recollect himself.

02:08:17.000 Like, he just still fights.

02:08:19.000 Yeah.

02:08:20.000 And he, like, instead, like...

02:08:21.000 Scramble.

02:08:21.000 You hurt him, he puts it on you.

02:08:23.000 Yeah.

02:08:24.000 He's like, okay, I need a break.

02:08:25.000 Meaning, I'm coming after you now.

02:08:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:08:28.000 Hey, you're going to have to stop me from killing you so that I can breathe. 0.99

02:08:33.000 I'm always stunned at his pace and his cardio.

02:08:36.000 It's amazing.

02:08:37.000 I just want to know, is this scientifically planned?

02:08:42.000 Are they monitoring his heart rate or is this just psychotic?

02:08:46.000 Is it scientific or is it psychotic?

02:08:48.000 I think it's the latter.

02:08:49.000 I think it might be.

02:08:52.000 Tony Ferguson.

02:08:53.000 If this was a scary movie, Tony Ferguson would be that guy.

02:08:58.000 He's El Kukui. 0.98

02:08:59.000 Yeah.

02:08:59.000 He's the boogeyman.

02:09:00.000 They need to make a movie.

02:09:02.000 Somebody needs to do some kind of...

02:09:06.000 I don't know, mashup of his fights that make him seem like the Jason. 0.97

02:09:10.000 The guy that just never goes away and as soon as you turn around, he's ready to kill you.

02:09:14.000 Well, you just think about Luke Thomas posted some tweet where the last time Tony Ferguson won, like who was champion and what was going on in the world.

02:09:22.000 It was like 2013. It was the last time he lost.

02:09:25.000 And he lost to Michael Johnson.

02:09:27.000 Who also beat Dustin.

02:09:29.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 Yeah, that was Dustin's last loss as well.

02:09:32.000 Much more recent though.

02:09:33.000 Yeah, much more recent.

02:09:34.000 That was here in LA. Was it the forum?

02:09:36.000 Was it?

02:09:36.000 Yeah.

02:09:37.000 But that fight also, where Dustin's concerned, now like we propped up Tony, so I gotta give Dustin some props.

02:09:43.000 Because that's the thing about mixed martial arts, first of all.

02:09:47.000 There's not a lot of guys who...

02:09:49.000 Have some success and success and then they get stopped.

02:09:52.000 Then success and success and then they get stopped.

02:09:54.000 And then since that, like, but every time he got stopped or every time he lost, he made adjustments, made improvements and got better.

02:10:04.000 Sure.

02:10:05.000 And that was the last one and then he had the debacle with Eddie where the disqualification and, um...

02:10:12.000 The knock on him going into that was, you know, when he hurts somebody, he doesn't necessarily know how to finish.

02:10:17.000 He gets too aggressive.

02:10:18.000 You know, he goes crazy.

02:10:21.000 That fight, then he gets gaechi, where it's like, if you hurt him and you go crazy, you're putting yourself at risk.

02:10:29.000 So that was the perfect fight to demonstrate that he learned the lesson.

02:10:32.000 And he did.

02:10:34.000 You know?

02:10:34.000 So, like, I don't know where, I don't know really what the knock on him is now.

02:10:40.000 I remember this is something that, I didn't want to say this to him because he doesn't watch a lot of his opponents and their press stuff.

02:10:49.000 But I remember a long time ago, DC had Khabib on the Fox desk and he was talking to him.

02:10:55.000 He was asking about opponents.

02:10:56.000 He was like, what do you think of this guy?

02:10:58.000 What do you think of this guy?

02:10:59.000 And he said, just give me one word answers.

02:11:01.000 And he said, Dustin Poirier.

02:11:03.000 And he goes, easy fight.

02:11:05.000 Whoa.

02:11:05.000 And I'm like...

02:11:10.000 I want to see this fight now.

02:11:12.000 I wonder if he thinks that after the Holloway fight, though.

02:11:15.000 That was an eye-opener for a lot of folks.

02:11:18.000 But Holloway fought Dustin the way Dustin would look the best.

02:11:25.000 He stood in front of him.

02:11:26.000 Holloway doesn't have the same knockout power that Dustin has.

02:11:29.000 Dustin has real legit one-punch power.

02:11:32.000 Max beats you up. 1.00

02:11:33.000 He just puts a pace on you, beats your ass, and takes you out. 0.99

02:11:37.000 But also, I don't think Max has the same kind of power at 155. At 145, he's just so much bigger than everybody. 0.99

02:11:46.000 At 155, he's their size, and Dustin's a big 55-er.

02:11:50.000 Yeah, Dustin is a big 55er.

02:11:53.000 I can't say I agree about the power, only because Dustin's been knocked out, but he does have a chin.

02:12:00.000 He can take a shot.

02:12:01.000 No, but I'm not saying he doesn't.

02:12:03.000 I know.

02:12:05.000 Max has never knocked anybody out with one shot.

02:12:07.000 He beats guys up and then takes them apart.

02:12:09.000 Yeah, no, you're right.

02:12:11.000 You're right.

02:12:11.000 Dustin's capable of flatlining you.

02:12:13.000 He can flatline people with one shot.

02:12:16.000 You don't really see that that much with Max.

02:12:19.000 Max, he's just super sharp, super high fight IQ, and just makes you fight wars with him.

02:12:27.000 But he was fighting a war with a guy who had higher caliber weapons.

02:12:30.000 That's what it seemed like in that fight.

02:12:32.000 And Dustin just fought real smart.

02:12:34.000 Great boxing and capitalized on these openings and really stung Max in a way that we haven't seen before.

02:12:41.000 And good footwork too.

02:12:42.000 If you remember, Max was using his footwork early in that fight, but everywhere he went, Dustin was there too.

02:12:50.000 And there are sometimes, maybe not even a conscious decision where it's like, well...

02:12:57.000 Doesn't matter.

02:12:58.000 Wherever I go, he's going to be there anyway, so then this is what we're doing.

02:13:02.000 I'm not just going to keep running around now.

02:13:05.000 So he might have made Max decide to stay in front of him like he did towards the second and third and fourth.

02:13:12.000 The difference is with Khabib, obviously, is the grappling. 0.68

02:13:16.000 That's Khabib's bread and butter. 0.97

02:13:18.000 He's so fucking terrifyingly good. 0.97

02:13:21.000 When he clinches you, it's like you see these guys. 0.93

02:13:24.000 They have this look on their face like, what is this?

02:13:26.000 This is a new experience.

02:13:28.000 This is a different kind of grappling.

02:13:30.000 And he immobilizes people.

02:13:31.000 He gets you in positions that literally you can't go left, you can't go right.

02:13:38.000 He's got that wrist wrap on the backside and a half guard on the front side.

02:13:42.000 So you can't turn...

02:13:44.000 Turn to your right, but you also can't turn to your left.

02:13:47.000 And he straps you down, man.

02:13:50.000 That's what I hope Dustin works on right now.

02:13:56.000 Just sealing off, not allowing Khabib to get those underhooks on the ground, not allowing Khabib to get around his body and just get back to his feet if he gets taken down.

02:14:07.000 We know that Khabib's not the greatest striker.

02:14:14.000 We saw Alai Quinta do some damage on the feet in, I think, the third or fourth round of that fight. 0.77

02:14:20.000 He definitely showed where Khabib, if he has any vulnerability, it's going to be in the striking.

02:14:26.000 But he didn't really hurt him.

02:14:28.000 Never hurt him once.

02:14:29.000 The only person to ding him is Michael.

02:14:31.000 Michael Johnson dinged him once.

02:14:32.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:14:33.000 But he recovered from that quickly and beat the shit out of Michael. 0.95

02:14:35.000 Especially on the ground. 0.99

02:14:37.000 I also think Dustin is more of a predator.

02:14:42.000 I think Ally Clint is good on his feet.

02:14:45.000 He's boxing solid.

02:14:47.000 He hits hard.

02:14:48.000 But I think just Dustin's boxing IQ... If he hurts you, especially now, I think if he hurts you, he's smarter about being able to finish.

02:14:57.000 With the power that he carries, he's more selective with his weapons.

02:15:04.000 That's definitely a big option.

02:15:05.000 If he can show that he can hurt Khabib standing, then he has a very good shot of stopping him there. 0.99

02:15:13.000 What does that mean to stop Khabib? 0.98

02:15:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:15:16.000 Is it possible?

02:15:19.000 But you know what?

02:15:20.000 I think you have to.

02:15:21.000 How do you beat that wrestling over 25 minutes?

02:15:24.000 Right.

02:15:24.000 How do you keep him from taking you down over and over and over again?

02:15:27.000 Just getting back up is not good enough.

02:15:29.000 Yeah.

02:15:29.000 Because he's going to keep taking you down.

02:15:31.000 That's a real good point because he's been able to do that to every single person he's fought inside the Octagon.

02:15:35.000 I mean, even when Conor stopped a little bit of it early on, I mean, it was just a matter of time.

02:15:41.000 Yeah.

02:15:42.000 That's that whole Gregor thing, man.

02:15:45.000 I hope Gregor's watching this and he's like, man, I should do that.

02:15:48.000 I should do that because Eve's calling me out. 0.97

02:15:50.000 Is Dustin in Florida?

02:15:54.000 Yeah.

02:15:56.000 I was in Texas last week.

02:15:58.000 I drove down to Lafayette, Youngsville, to talk to him, to record that podcast.

02:16:06.000 We trained some.

02:16:08.000 He made me.

02:16:10.000 I'm like an hour away.

02:16:12.000 He's like, alright, you're running practice.

02:16:14.000 I'm like, I'm fat.

02:16:16.000 I don't know what to do.

02:16:17.000 I haven't trained in like weeks.

02:16:19.000 But he came in, we did that.

02:16:21.000 And then he was leaving for Florida that Friday.

02:16:26.000 So he's been there for about a week now.

02:16:28.000 Almost a week now.

02:16:28.000 And the fight is, what's the date of the fight?

02:16:30.000 The fight is September 7th, Abu Dhabi.

02:16:33.000 Dun, dun, dun.

02:16:35.000 You're not going to that.

02:16:36.000 Nope.

02:16:36.000 So...

02:16:38.000 If you do Fight Companion, I'd love to come in for that.

02:16:44.000 If we do Fight Companion, I'll have you in.

02:16:46.000 Because Dust is my boy, man.

02:16:48.000 I'm going to find out if I'm even in town.

02:16:51.000 I might be on the road.

02:16:53.000 You're going to be in AC very soon, huh?

02:16:54.000 I was just there.

02:16:55.000 Oh, okay.

02:16:56.000 That's what it is.

02:16:56.000 I was just there this past weekend.

02:16:57.000 Okay.

02:16:59.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:00.000 No, I'm home.

02:17:01.000 If I'm still home...

02:17:04.000 As of right now, I'm home, but if I'm still home, we have a fight companion, you're in, fella.

02:17:08.000 It'll be fun.

02:17:09.000 I'm down to be there, especially if I don't go to Abu Dhabi.

02:17:12.000 I would love to be there for that, but that's Abu Dhabi.

02:17:14.000 It'll be interesting, too, you know him so well, you know, to get your insight on that.

02:17:19.000 He's the only guy repping Thug Jitsu right now, you know?

02:17:23.000 That's right!

02:17:24.000 He's like, I'm telling Bruce to mark me down as a Thug Jitsu fighter.

02:17:28.000 He came up under Tim Crater.

02:17:30.000 That's right.

02:17:31.000 Crazy Tim.

02:17:32.000 Crazy Tim.

02:17:33.000 I remember Tim from the John Jock Machado days, way back in the day.

02:17:37.000 I first saw Crazy Tim.

02:17:39.000 I never got to train with him, but he came down.

02:17:42.000 In, like, 98?

02:17:46.000 Yep.

02:17:47.000 Somewhere around there?

02:17:48.000 Yep.

02:17:48.000 98-ish?

02:17:49.000 He started, when Tim started training with me, I was coaching him.

02:17:52.000 We went to some fights in Boston.

02:17:53.000 I'm sitting next to the commission, and Tim's fighting this guy, and he's working on a stand-up with me, and they're trading, and the guy takes him down.

02:18:00.000 And when the guy takes Tim down, I look at the commission, and I grab, like, all this stuff, and I'm like, well, that's the end of that.

02:18:07.000 I start putting everything in the bucket.

02:18:08.000 And then the committee, like, I don't know, before I even got my head up, like Tim tapped him.

02:18:14.000 And the commissioner was like, you called that one, didn't you? 0.99

02:18:17.000 There's some shit that you just know. 1.00

02:18:20.000 Especially at a certain level of fights, there's some shit that you just know. 0.99

02:18:24.000 That's one of the more interesting things about high-level fights and high-level fighters is you don't know anymore. 0.97

02:18:31.000 No.

02:18:33.000 Because now, everybody knows the same thing.

02:18:36.000 Unless you have that checkmate card like Francis.

02:18:41.000 No disrespect to Junior, but I did not think that that fight was going to get out of the first round.

02:18:46.000 I had a feeling it was going to go that way.

02:18:47.000 Yeah.

02:18:48.000 And that's what I said to all my friends.

02:18:50.000 I said, if I had to bet my money, anything can happen.

02:18:52.000 It's a crazy sport.

02:18:53.000 But if I had to bet my money, I'd bet the house on the big fella.

02:18:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:18:58.000 Because he just does shit to people. 1.00

02:19:01.000 Like I said, that guy, man, those only takes one guys. 1.00

02:19:05.000 They're scary.

02:19:07.000 And Junior's style wasn't necessarily the style to avoid and counter that.

02:19:14.000 You know what I mean?

02:19:15.000 For me, the Jeremy Stevens fight was like that.

02:19:19.000 Jeremy Stevens, he's that one punch kind of thing.

02:19:22.000 And you just have to make sure that they miss and just pick your shots.

02:19:26.000 For me, it was fortunate that...

02:19:29.000 I caught him running into something, too.

02:19:31.000 I do have one-punch power, but I don't pack power like Dustin does.

02:19:36.000 I would say my power is more, if we're talking about the best guys today, more about precision, closer to maxes in the sense of I would pick you apart, but all the knockouts, they came from volume or catching you slipping, catching you coming in or something like that.

02:19:55.000 I don't know who's at heavyweight who fights like that.

02:19:58.000 Nobody.

02:19:59.000 You'd have to get a Rico Verhoeven.

02:20:02.000 You'd have to get someone who's like a world-class striker.

02:20:06.000 Rico's had some MMA fights, and he's still the glory heavyweight champion.

02:20:10.000 And he's also a big, giant dude.

02:20:13.000 But then again, man, he's been fighting with those big gloves, and he's been stopped before.

02:20:18.000 Could he handle it?

02:20:20.000 I mean, if he stands in front of Francis, could he handle it?

02:20:23.000 I don't think any human handles it. 0.98

02:20:25.000 You've got to get a guy like Stipe that just knows how to get the fuck out of there. 0.97

02:20:30.000 I think Francis could knock out an elephant. 0.98

02:20:37.000 He probably could.

02:20:39.000 I'm serious.

02:20:39.000 At least a baby elephant.

02:20:40.000 Yeah, a little elephant. 0.98

02:20:42.000 That's fucked up, though. 1.00

02:20:44.000 Even thinking about that is fucked up. 1.00

02:20:46.000 Yeah, I don't think there's anybody he can't knock out. 0.99

02:20:49.000 Which is really interesting if he decided to go to boxing.

02:20:52.000 He's one of those guys where you go, if he really decided to go to boxing...

02:20:57.000 Who hits harder? 0.99

02:20:59.000 Deontay hits fucking hard. 1.00

02:21:04.000 Deontay hits so goddamn hard. 1.00

02:21:07.000 It's hard to tell. 0.99

02:21:09.000 Deontay has fought the cream of the crop in boxing and he's knocked out 39 dudes.

02:21:15.000 He's 40 and what is he like?

02:21:17.000 40 and 1?

02:21:19.000 40-0.

02:21:20.000 Well, how's he 40-0?

02:21:22.000 The Tyson Fury fight was a draw.

02:21:25.000 Oh, 40-0-1.

02:21:26.000 So it's 40-0-1.

02:21:27.000 And 39 knockouts.

02:21:30.000 Stiverne was the only one in the first fight where it went the distance, and then he nuked him in the second fight.

02:21:35.000 The first time they fought, I believe that's the case.

02:21:39.000 Who did he have a decision with?

02:21:44.000 Does it say there?

02:21:46.000 You can look at his Wikipedia.

02:21:48.000 He hits harder than anybody I've ever seen in the heavyweight division in this modern era outside of Tyson.

02:21:54.000 I feel like I should call him CTE. Like, for real.

02:21:58.000 Remember they did that study on the NFL bodies and they did like 111 bodies and 110 of them had CTE? 39 out of 40. Yeah, he's giving people some real problems.

02:22:08.000 Just the one.

02:22:11.000 Remains Stiverne.

02:22:12.000 Yes.

02:22:12.000 First fight against him.

02:22:13.000 Stiverne was the only one that went the distance.

02:22:14.000 Everybody else gets nuked.

02:22:16.000 Boom! 0.99

02:22:16.000 And he hits guys. 0.99

02:22:17.000 They just go flying.

02:22:18.000 You know?

02:22:19.000 Like, the fact that Tyson Fury got up after that 12th round, like, Jesus Christ.

02:22:23.000 Yeah, that was...

02:22:26.000 Crazy.

02:22:27.000 Yeah, that was like Gypsy King stuff. 1.00

02:22:29.000 Crazy. 0.99

02:22:29.000 It was ridiculous. 0.99

02:22:30.000 Yeah, voodoo. 1.00

02:22:31.000 He had an extra chicken bone in his fucking shorts. 0.99

02:22:34.000 Because you see, I don't know, for me, I noticed those things. 0.99

02:22:38.000 When we were watching that thing with Sage and Cosmo, when Sage went down, and then after Cosmo hit him, his body didn't give up.

02:22:47.000 They could shut off on him, but he was trying to get up.

02:22:50.000 He was getting up to fight back.

02:22:52.000 Yeah.

02:22:54.000 Because if you're not getting up the fight, you're covering up.

02:22:56.000 But he's trying to get up.

02:22:59.000 Same thing, where Tyson Fury goes down, the referee's in his face and he's counting him out and you see his head.

02:23:03.000 You see his head go...

02:23:05.000 Right.

02:23:06.000 And he just gets up.

02:23:07.000 Like it was over.

02:23:09.000 I thought it was over.

02:23:10.000 I did too.

02:23:11.000 I was watching it at home.

02:23:12.000 I was celebrating.

02:23:13.000 Yeah.

02:23:14.000 I was like, I won!

02:23:15.000 I'm going to make some money! 0.98

02:23:16.000 I was watching at home and my thought was, God damn, he knocked him out in the 12th round. 0.99

02:23:21.000 How the fuck does that guy carry that power like that in the 12th round? 0.99

02:23:25.000 Tyson's back up and then he wins the rest of the round! 0.99

02:23:28.000 That was even crazy!

02:23:30.000 Deontay bombs on him, he hits him with some hard shots, and then Tyson comes back and dings him.

02:23:35.000 And you see, he catches him.

02:23:36.000 Yeah, he did.

02:23:37.000 He wobbled him for a second.

02:23:38.000 Yeah, and like, this is unbelievable.

02:23:39.000 What a fight.

02:23:40.000 That was probably the best heavyweight boxing fight I've seen.

02:23:43.000 I can't remember what happened.

02:23:44.000 Look at this.

02:23:45.000 Tyson Fury says, put it this way, he hits four times harder than Vitaly Klitschko, he hits five times harder than Vladimir Klitschko, he hits six times harder than Anthony Joshua, and he hits eight times harder than Tyson Fury.

02:23:56.000 Well, who said that?

02:23:56.000 That's good.

02:23:58.000 Oh, okay.

02:24:00.000 He's a sparring partner for him.

02:24:01.000 Oh, I thought that was Tyson Fury's quote.

02:24:04.000 Yeah.

02:24:05.000 Well, that's probably accurate.

02:24:09.000 It says, is Deontay Wilder a stronger puncher than a prime George Foreman?

02:24:12.000 The thing about Deontay is, he knocks everyone out.

02:24:17.000 He's not winning any decisions except one.

02:24:21.000 I mean, there's nobody like that.

02:24:23.000 You even go back to Tyson.

02:24:24.000 Tyson, when he fought, I mean, he fought a lot of dudes that went to decision. 0.98

02:24:28.000 And he beat their asses, but they went to decision. 0.96

02:24:32.000 Honestly, I wouldn't mind Tyson getting into his camp and even just kind of mentoring him a bit. 0.99

02:24:40.000 Mike Tyson, I feel like somebody like that would really help a guy like Dion.

02:24:47.000 I mean, it's not like he needs a lot of help.

02:24:48.000 Right.

02:24:49.000 But somebody like Mike Tyson being around, just having him to call on and talk to sometimes.

02:24:57.000 Tyson doesn't really want to have anything to do with boxing anymore, though, it seems.

02:25:00.000 And maybe not even in the gym.

02:25:02.000 Maybe just somebody to talk to once in a while.

02:25:04.000 Just for life.

02:25:04.000 Maybe some strategy.

02:25:06.000 Maybe even about strategy sometimes, you know?

02:25:08.000 Because I feel...

02:25:10.000 I don't know.

02:25:10.000 I forget exactly what it was, but there was a moment when I was watching Deontay Wilder and then there was something...

02:25:15.000 I think when Mike was in here, something he was talking about that I was just like...

02:25:21.000 Man, those two should get connected.

02:25:23.000 That's interesting.

02:25:25.000 I was a long time ago when I was living in Texas.

02:25:29.000 I got a phone call at like 2 a.m.

02:25:32.000 It was one of my buddies.

02:25:33.000 It was my buddy, Lynn Oding.

02:25:34.000 And I was like, I don't want to answer that, man.

02:25:37.000 I'm sleeping.

02:25:38.000 I'm in bed with my wife.

02:25:39.000 I'm sleeping.

02:25:39.000 He calls.

02:25:40.000 And then the next morning, I listen to my voicemail.

02:25:42.000 And he's like, Eve!

02:25:44.000 Eve!

02:25:45.000 If you get this, call me back.

02:25:47.000 He was at a club.

02:25:48.000 And he's like, somebody wants to talk to you.

02:25:49.000 And he has the phone.

02:25:50.000 He's like, Eve Edwards!

02:25:52.000 Eve Edwards!

02:25:56.000 I was so pissed.

02:25:58.000 God!

02:25:59.000 I was like, man, I missed a phone call from Mike Tyson.

02:26:02.000 He ran into him in a club or something.

02:26:04.000 I was like, Mike Tyson knows my name?

02:26:05.000 Dude, I met him at the UFC, and he's like, you're that weed guy!

02:26:10.000 Yeah!

02:26:13.000 No, he's that weird guy.

02:26:14.000 Well, I mean, he was into weed back then, but it was like, that's what he said.

02:26:18.000 He goes, I like you, man.

02:26:19.000 You're funny.

02:26:20.000 I'm like, thank you.

02:26:20.000 So glad you like me.

02:26:24.000 And then having him in here was so surreal because when I was a kid, he was the fucking man. 0.99

02:26:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:29.000 I mean, you would pay to see his fights just to watch him fuck somebody up. 1.00

02:26:34.000 It wasn't a fight. 1.00

02:26:35.000 It was an execution.

02:26:37.000 You would watch him execute guys.

02:26:39.000 He was the man.

02:26:40.000 He was the man.

02:26:41.000 He changed heavyweight boxing.

02:26:42.000 People don't realize that heavyweight boxing in the early 80s was dead.

02:26:46.000 Nobody cared.

02:26:47.000 Because Larry Holmes, after he beat Muhammad Ali, everybody was sad.

02:26:51.000 It was a sad thing.

02:26:52.000 There was a changing in the guard. 0.98

02:26:54.000 Larry Holmes beat the shit out of Muhammad Ali. 0.97

02:26:56.000 And Larry Holmes never got his due. 0.98

02:26:59.000 He never got his due.

02:27:00.000 He was so good, man.

02:27:01.000 Larry was so good.

02:27:03.000 He had one of the best jabs of all time.

02:27:05.000 He was so good. 0.98

02:27:07.000 But people were still upset at him because he fucked up Muhammad Ali. 0.96

02:27:10.000 He was the champ after the greatest. 0.92

02:27:14.000 Muhammad Ali wasn't just the greatest in terms of the greatest fighter.

02:27:20.000 He was a cultural icon.

02:27:23.000 He meant something to people.

02:27:26.000 Everyone knew the guy was out for three years because he protested the Vietnam War. 0.98

02:27:31.000 Everybody fucking hated the Vietnam War. 0.92

02:27:33.000 Especially people who went to Vietnam hated the Vietnam War. 0.99

02:27:37.000 And they got it, man.

02:27:39.000 He meant a lot.

02:27:41.000 He meant a lot.

02:27:42.000 So when Larry Holmes came around, it's like, man, Larry just never got his due.

02:27:46.000 Never got his due.

02:27:49.000 That era of boxing, I remember going back, watching tape and doing that.

02:27:54.000 And that's one thing I appreciate about Tyson.

02:27:56.000 He was a student.

02:27:59.000 Yes.

02:27:59.000 Thank God he knew Jim Jacobs, who had that crazy library that he could get all that...

02:28:04.000 You know, Jim Jacobs was the guy who curated, like, he has every old-time fight.

02:28:10.000 All of them.

02:28:10.000 He would watch Sugar Ray Robinson and Jack Dempsey.

02:28:14.000 And he's watching, like, Willie Pep.

02:28:16.000 And he's not only watching, like, the heavyweights.

02:28:18.000 Yeah, he watched every...

02:28:19.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:19.000 Harry Greb.

02:28:20.000 He watched all those guys.

02:28:21.000 All those old-school...

02:28:22.000 And weird, obscure fighters, you know?

02:28:25.000 Guys that most people don't remember anymore.

02:28:28.000 Yeah, that era of boxing was very different.

02:28:32.000 Sandy Sadler and all those guys.

02:28:35.000 He would watch all those guys.

02:28:36.000 Yeah, that era of boxing before him was terrible.

02:28:39.000 He had champs like Pinklin Thomas and Tony Tubbs, and no one cared about the heavyweight division.

02:28:43.000 And then he came along and just started blasting people.

02:28:47.000 And you're like, finally!

02:28:49.000 I remember I was like seven or eight years old.

02:28:51.000 I met Trevor Burbick.

02:28:52.000 He was down in the Bahamas for a fight.

02:28:54.000 And that's who Tyson took his belt from.

02:28:55.000 Yep.

02:28:56.000 Got his first belt from him.

02:28:56.000 20 years old.

02:28:57.000 Yeah. 0.68

02:28:59.000 Crazy.

02:29:00.000 Like 20. 20. Now you're the heavyweight champion.

02:29:02.000 And then that was the thing talking to him about it.

02:29:04.000 Like, what was that like?

02:29:06.000 And it's just, there's no way he can manage it.

02:29:08.000 No one can manage that.

02:29:10.000 You're gonna go crazy.

02:29:11.000 I feel like his career and his life would have been very different if Cuss didn't die when he did. 0.61

02:29:16.000 I think so too.

02:29:17.000 Yeah.

02:29:17.000 I think so too.

02:29:18.000 It's a tragic story, but it's also like there's so many lessons in that story.

02:29:23.000 It's like for all of us, it's like there's a lot to learn, you know, what happened when it got all the way to Buster Douglas when it was like he felt like he can't lose and he was in this rare state.

02:29:34.000 Yeah.

02:29:36.000 Yeah, like his life, like he's had so many ups and downs, and as the heavyweight champion, and like to be somebody that's the heavyweight champion of the world, somebody with so many eyes on them, you know, the Robin Givens, that whole song in his life, you know?

02:29:51.000 I remember, I forget who, was it Oprah, when they were being interviewed?

02:29:56.000 And they were on the show, and he just kind of looked like...

02:30:01.000 I feel like Mike Tyson in that interview was like those tigers that people walk with that they drug.

02:30:06.000 Yes.

02:30:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:08.000 Yeah, perfect.

02:30:08.000 Perfect way to describe it.

02:30:10.000 Man.

02:30:11.000 They probably medicated him.

02:30:12.000 Yeah.

02:30:13.000 Because he just didn't seem like the Mike Tyson who I was a fan of.

02:30:18.000 Right.

02:30:18.000 Like, I didn't dislike him in that moment.

02:30:21.000 I was just like, what's wrong with him? 0.99

02:30:22.000 Meanwhile, who the fuck? 0.99

02:30:24.000 I mean, it had to be her idea. 0.99

02:30:26.000 If I was his friend, why are you going to talk to Barbra Streisand?

02:30:30.000 Yeah, that's who it is.

02:30:30.000 Or Barbra Walters, whoever it was.

02:30:32.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:30:33.000 Same thing. 0.99

02:30:33.000 Barbra Streisand and Barbra Walters to me. 0.99

02:30:35.000 You're talking to some old lady? 1.00

02:30:36.000 You're the fucking heavyweight champ of the world. 1.00

02:30:39.000 Get out of here with that talk. 1.00

02:30:40.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:30:41.000 No, no, no.

02:30:42.000 This is nonsense.

02:30:43.000 And you're going to bring your wife? 0.96

02:30:45.000 What are you doing?

02:30:46.000 What benefit is there?

02:30:48.000 Well, I can't say definitely, but my assumption is it was Robin Gibbs.

02:30:53.000 She emasculated him.

02:30:54.000 Yeah, she emasculated him in front of the world.

02:30:56.000 And I think afterwards he realized what happened.

02:30:59.000 He was furious.

02:31:01.000 But it's like, that life is unmanageable.

02:31:04.000 The life that he lived back then was unmanageable. 1.00

02:31:07.000 He was the fucking king of the world. 1.00

02:31:10.000 He was in his 20s. 1.00

02:31:11.000 He was buck wild, just going crazy, flatlining people everywhere he went.

02:31:16.000 People would throw rose petals at his feet and screaming, cheering fans.

02:31:20.000 It's unmanageable.

02:31:22.000 He's too young.

02:31:22.000 Imagine being a poor guy.

02:31:26.000 Adopted black kid. 0.64

02:31:28.000 With no love in your life until you're 13. Yeah, until you're 13. And then you come into all of this money because you're the best fighter in the world. 0.98

02:31:40.000 What could he possibly be afraid of then, too?

02:31:42.000 Nothing.

02:31:43.000 Right?

02:31:44.000 Pet tigers, bro.

02:31:47.000 He'd wrestle with them.

02:31:49.000 I mean, that was the crazy thing of him talking about when he found out that he could get a tiger.

02:31:53.000 He's like, what?

02:31:53.000 I could get a tiger?

02:31:54.000 Yeah.

02:31:57.000 But he's so humble now.

02:31:59.000 It's so interesting.

02:32:00.000 And one of the more interesting things that he said is he doesn't train because he doesn't want to fire his ego up.

02:32:06.000 You know, he's like, I don't like that part of me.

02:32:08.000 I don't want that part of me to come out again.

02:32:10.000 I don't want it.

02:32:11.000 Wasn't there a video of him, like, I understand he doesn't train anymore, but wasn't there a video of him, I think last year, just before he came in here and spoke to you, where he was hitting the heavy bag?

02:32:20.000 I think it was a little bit longer ago than that, but yeah, he was doing it for something.

02:32:24.000 He still can crack.

02:32:25.000 Mad. 0.73

02:32:25.000 Yeah. 0.73

02:32:26.000 Still scary.

02:32:27.000 Power is the last thing to go.

02:32:28.000 He's doing a movie and there's a scene in a bar.

02:32:31.000 They're doing something and he just shows them a combination.

02:32:34.000 He just punches in the air.

02:32:36.000 No warm-up.

02:32:37.000 Lightning fast.

02:32:38.000 Jab, hook, uppercut, right hand.

02:32:40.000 It's like, yikes!

02:32:42.000 It's all still there.

02:32:44.000 50 years old. 1.00

02:32:45.000 Still fuck you up. 1.00

02:32:47.000 He was the heavyweight champion of my childhood. 1.00

02:32:50.000 Muhammad Ali came before.

02:32:53.000 But again, Larry Holmes just doesn't get the credit. 0.99

02:32:56.000 For whatever reason, in the first round when Tyson fought Larry Holmes, it made me think, damn, what would it have been like if Larry was in his fucking prime? 0.97

02:33:06.000 Because when they fought, Larry was like 36 or something like that. 0.98

02:33:09.000 Somewhere around there.

02:33:10.000 It was already kind of over for him.

02:33:11.000 Yep.

02:33:12.000 And Mike was Mike.

02:33:14.000 I mean, Mike was black, shoes, no socks.

02:33:16.000 There it is right here.

02:33:21.000 And then the weave.

02:33:22.000 Yeah.

02:33:23.000 I mean, he just can't help.

02:33:24.000 I mean, that was like built into his system, you know? 1.00

02:33:29.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:33:31.000 That head movement was deadly. 1.00

02:33:33.000 He was such an interesting guy too because he was only like 5'8".

02:33:37.000 He's probably like 5'10", 5'11", I think.

02:33:40.000 He's like 5'10 and a half, something like that.

02:33:42.000 But to be a heavyweight and just so low and bobbing and weaving and moving in and everybody was like, Jesus!

02:33:49.000 Yeah.

02:33:49.000 Like you see him coming out.

02:33:50.000 Like his head's right in your chest.

02:33:52.000 And then he's ripping your body and then uppercut, that right hook to the body and that uppercut behind it that he used on everybody.

02:33:57.000 He used it on Frank Bruno.

02:33:59.000 He used it on everybody.

02:34:00.000 Boom! 0.99

02:34:01.000 Wow!

02:34:01.000 Right up the middle.

02:34:02.000 Who hits harder, him or Francis?

02:34:03.000 Francis.

02:34:05.000 Really?

02:34:05.000 Francis hits harder.

02:34:07.000 Yeah, he hits harder.

02:34:08.000 I think so.

02:34:09.000 I think Mike Tyson was a way better boxer.

02:34:13.000 Yeah.

02:34:13.000 But I think if Mike Tyson can hit like Francis does, Francis just has to clip you.

02:34:22.000 What would he do to Junior?

02:34:23.000 He just grazed him.

02:34:25.000 Obviously, they're different gloves.

02:34:27.000 Obviously, I just think Francis is a way bigger man.

02:34:30.000 You know, Mike at his prime was like 209, 215 around then.

02:34:34.000 I remember on Punch Out.

02:34:36.000 I never beat him.

02:34:38.000 I never beat him.

02:34:40.000 I'm still pissed about that.

02:34:41.000 Well, you know, Deontay, when he fought Tyson Fury, he told me he only weighed 209. That's what he weighed.

02:34:47.000 How tall is he?

02:34:48.000 He looks like he's 6'6".

02:34:49.000 He's like 6'6", at least.

02:34:53.000 Yeah.

02:34:53.000 That's crazy.

02:34:54.000 It's crazy.

02:34:54.000 But I still, I mean, I want to see Deontay Wilder punch that thing that the UFC has.

02:35:01.000 I have one of those out here.

02:35:03.000 What is it called again?

02:35:05.000 The punch-o-meter.

02:35:06.000 The punch-o-meter.

02:35:07.000 That's how I found that thing.

02:35:08.000 I was looking for someone talking about his punching power somewhere, if there's any gauge of it.

02:35:12.000 Well, the thing is, I would never let him punch it if I was his trainer.

02:35:15.000 I'm like, what if you break your hand? 0.98

02:35:17.000 What if you fuck yourself up trying to just hit something as hard as you can? 1.00

02:35:20.000 I mean, he's the goose that lays the billion dollar egg. 1.00

02:35:24.000 Deontay, if he keeps going, where he's at right now, he has become the motherfucking man. 0.98

02:35:31.000 Especially with that last fight with Dominic Brazile. 0.97

02:35:34.000 He sent him into orbit after the Tyson Fury fight. 0.99

02:35:37.000 He realized, okay, this guy's the fucking man, right? 0.98

02:35:41.000 You want to see him fight Andy Ruiz. 0.99

02:35:43.000 You want to see him fight Tyson Fury again.

02:35:45.000 You want to see him fight Joshua if Joshua comes back.

02:35:48.000 He's worth so much money now.

02:35:50.000 I'd be like, don't be punching things.

02:35:54.000 So I guess on that, it's the Fox thing where they test punching.

02:35:58.000 I think it's Fox.

02:35:59.000 They tested punching power and they actually do have Wilder on this.

02:36:03.000 And I guess Andy Ruiz recently just broke it.

02:36:06.000 Really?

02:36:06.000 Yeah.

02:36:07.000 Oh, but see, those things...

02:36:09.000 I know, it's like a game, so I don't know how accurate it is.

02:36:11.000 Let me see what... 0.99

02:36:12.000 Andy Ruiz can fucking punch, son. 1.00

02:36:14.000 He just ate a Snickers, too, or something. 1.00

02:36:15.000 Did he?

02:36:16.000 He's got a mouth full of food!

02:36:18.000 And what's he got? 1.00

02:36:19.000 Damn! 0.98

02:36:20.000 Something plus, and I think Wilder's was at 927, 928. Okay, but I'm telling you, that don't mean shit. 1.00

02:36:26.000 It's a matter of how you punch it, and it just slams up. 0.91

02:36:30.000 Is he trying to get a development deal, a sponsorship with Snickers?

02:36:36.000 That's hilarious.

02:36:37.000 I love Andy Ruiz.

02:36:39.000 He's coming here.

02:36:40.000 We got him.

02:36:41.000 We got him for the end of the month.

02:36:42.000 I'm very excited.

02:36:44.000 Man.

02:36:45.000 That fight was crazy.

02:36:46.000 Yeah, Anthony Joshua. 1.00

02:36:48.000 See, that punching power record, that shit ain't real. 0.99

02:36:50.000 You gotta hit that thing like I have out there where you really can tell. 0.99

02:36:54.000 Even that, you gotta hit perfectly, too.

02:36:55.000 You gotta have a sweet spot.

02:36:56.000 Oh, you have a different thing.

02:36:58.000 I have the one that Francis hit.

02:36:59.000 Oh, okay.

02:36:59.000 One that the UFC Performance Institute has where Francis broke the record for the hardest punch.

02:37:04.000 Yeah.

02:37:05.000 How many lightweights have you had hit that?

02:37:08.000 None.

02:37:08.000 The only person that hit it besides Francis is Joe Schilling.

02:37:14.000 And you.

02:37:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:37:15.000 And Brian Cowan fucking around. 0.99

02:37:17.000 Brian Cowan. 1.00

02:37:17.000 How dare he. 1.00

02:37:19.000 Brian's got a lot of knockout power, huh?

02:37:23.000 Alright, it's 3 o'clock.

02:37:25.000 Let's wrap this up.

02:37:26.000 So, one more time.

02:37:28.000 PFL is next, the 11th.

02:37:31.000 Thursday the 11th.

02:37:32.000 Thursday the 11th.

02:37:33.000 ESPN and ESPN Plus.

02:37:35.000 So, ESPN Plus, if you don't have it, get it.

02:37:37.000 It's an awesome app. 0.74

02:37:38.000 If you like fights, it's got fucking everything. 0.56

02:37:40.000 All sorts of old school Canelo, Triple G fights. 0.96

02:37:43.000 All sorts of UFC fights.

02:37:44.000 It's a great app.

02:37:46.000 It's a great app.

02:37:46.000 And then it's on ESPN2 for the main card.

02:37:50.000 And then Plus.

02:37:51.000 And check out Subfam.

02:37:53.000 And Thugjitsu MMA. What is your Twitter handle?

02:37:57.000 Thugjitsu Master.

02:37:58.000 Thugjitsu Master.

02:37:59.000 That's right.

02:38:00.000 And what is your, is that the same for Instagram too?

02:38:03.000 Instagram, Twitter.

02:38:05.000 Yeah, that's me.

02:38:06.000 Everything.

02:38:06.000 And your new podcast.

02:38:07.000 Out today.

02:38:08.000 Sup fam.

02:38:08.000 Out today.

02:38:09.000 Out today.

02:38:10.000 Right there.

02:38:10.000 You're on YouTube right now.

02:38:12.000 Thank you brother.

02:38:12.000 Thank you Joe.

02:38:13.000 Appreciate you man.

02:38:13.000 Eve Edwards ladies and gentlemen.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 05, 2011

JRE MMA Show #69 with Yves Edwards

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