The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #7 with Brendan Schaub & Bryan Callen

00:00:00.000 Man, that PRP, platelet-rich plasma with stem cells is the shit. 1.00

00:00:03.000 Did you do it in Vegas? 1.00

00:00:04.000 Yeah, one week later.

00:00:05.000 My elbow's feeling great.

00:00:06.000 It's the Brian Callen Show, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:08.000 We are live!

00:00:09.000 The Brian Callen MMA Hour spectacular.

00:00:13.000 That's right.

00:00:14.000 Fresh off of Christmas, everybody.

00:00:15.000 Had a bit of the flu.

00:00:16.000 Touched the flu, put me on my back for a couple hours every day.

00:00:19.000 Did you get the flu?

00:00:20.000 Sure did.

00:00:20.000 Did you get the flu shots?

00:00:22.000 Nope, did not.

00:00:22.000 I should.

00:00:23.000 Who gets those?

00:00:23.000 I don't get those.

00:00:25.000 I should and I don't.

00:00:26.000 Flu's up 70%.

00:00:26.000 Yeah.

00:00:27.000 Yeah.

00:00:27.000 Well, apparently it's a very complicated thing to try to nail which flu virus is going to hit people.

00:00:34.000 And they don't get it right a lot.

00:00:36.000 Yeah, the CDC will sometimes be like, listen, we just checked.

00:00:39.000 This flu's coming in. 1.00

00:00:40.000 It's a bitch. 1.00

00:00:42.000 But here's the problem. 0.99

00:00:43.000 A lot of times they'll even admit when you get the flu shot, it doesn't take, it helps a little bit.

00:00:49.000 It'll make the flu you get less.

00:00:51.000 You also get the flu.

00:00:52.000 You can get the flu, yeah.

00:00:53.000 That's what they're injecting the flu in you. 0.99

00:00:55.000 Like, I've gotten the flu shot, I got sick as fuck. 1.00

00:00:56.000 It's the dead virus, I think. 0.99

00:00:58.000 But it has, there's a reaction that some people have to it, right?

00:01:02.000 You can have a, when you're sick, if you're about to get sick, or you're feeling sick, don't get the flu shot, they say.

00:01:07.000 But sometimes, yeah, they say don't get it when your immune system's compromised.

00:01:11.000 But sometimes they can give you the flu shot and everybody will get the flu and you won't.

00:01:15.000 So it does work.

00:01:16.000 Yes.

00:01:17.000 Sometimes.

00:01:18.000 Yeah.

00:01:18.000 I'll do it.

00:01:19.000 I need to.

00:01:20.000 I just don't, you know, it's like, do I want to go in there and get a shot? 1.00

00:01:22.000 I'm a pussy. 1.00

00:01:22.000 I'm like, ah, I'll just get sick for 10 days. 1.00

00:01:24.000 I just don't want to do it. 0.98

00:01:25.000 I'll tell you what, if I'm Francis, or if I'm Steepy, I'm trying to give fucking Francis the flu. 0.99

00:01:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:01:32.000 A little sanguine there. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Blow some fucking poisonous... 1.00

00:01:36.000 Something. 1.00

00:01:36.000 There you go. 1.00

00:01:37.000 Some North Korean just... 1.00

00:01:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:39.000 Something.

00:01:40.000 They found that North Korean soldier that defected.

00:01:42.000 He had been vaccinated against anthrax.

00:01:45.000 What?

00:01:45.000 Yeah.

00:01:46.000 And they're like, wait, what?

00:01:47.000 What?

00:01:47.000 Yeah, he's the second guy that defected in a month.

00:01:50.000 Oh, yeah, that guy. 0.96

00:01:51.000 Oh, yeah, because the first guy they found, like, crazy parasites and little kernels of corn in his thing.

00:01:57.000 He was eating raw corn.

00:01:58.000 Like tapeworms and everything.

00:01:59.000 Poor guy.

00:02:00.000 They're starving to death over there.

00:02:01.000 North Korea.

00:02:02.000 Well, communism works, especially.

00:02:04.000 It doesn't turn into a...

00:02:05.000 It's a monarchy.

00:02:06.000 Yeah, communism is the best. 0.99

00:02:07.000 All you fucking freaks out there, all you young millennials wearing beads. 1.00

00:02:11.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:02:12.000 Look at North Korea. 0.69

00:02:12.000 Read your history. 0.69

00:02:13.000 Look, I'm not exactly a history major, but I know enough about history to know about Marxism now.

00:02:17.000 Especially after talking to Jordan Peterson about it.

00:02:20.000 I dove deep into it.

00:02:21.000 I was like, what is the history of this stuff?

00:02:23.000 It's all terrible.

00:02:24.000 Of course it is.

00:02:24.000 It doesn't work.

00:02:26.000 No.

00:02:26.000 It's not human nature.

00:02:28.000 Because you need a central power.

00:02:30.000 You need someone to keep the ones that are getting...

00:02:33.000 I talked to an academic the other day.

00:02:34.000 I said, so what are you saying?

00:02:35.000 He kept talking about the Scandinavian system of government and how great it was.

00:02:41.000 I go...

00:02:42.000 When was the last time you bought something made in Scandinavia?

00:02:45.000 I like Scandinavia, but...

00:02:46.000 Is it like Ikea?

00:02:47.000 Sobs? 0.81

00:02:47.000 Sobs and Ikea? 0.81

00:02:48.000 Ikea's a good car.

00:02:49.000 Ikea's kind of... 0.79

00:02:50.000 Hold on.

00:02:50.000 I mean, Sobs is a good car.

00:02:52.000 Sure, there are certain things, but we're talking about an iPad right now.

00:02:56.000 Everything was made in the marketplace. 1.00

00:02:58.000 It's like, fuck yourself. 1.00

00:02:59.000 Well, it's definitely a smaller place, too, right? 1.00

00:03:02.000 You're not dealing with vast numbers of people.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, it's called 7 million people, 8 million people in Sweden.

00:03:07.000 What's the last good thing Russia made? 0.99

00:03:09.000 It's a good point.

00:03:10.000 The Kalashnikov. 0.56

00:03:11.000 Vodka?

00:03:12.000 Yeah, the Kalashnikov.

00:03:13.000 In the 50s.

00:03:13.000 Yeah, they made some good rifles.

00:03:15.000 I think it was AK-47s.

00:03:16.000 AK-47s? 0.99

00:03:16.000 They had some good strides they made in rocketry. 0.99

00:03:19.000 You know, they were the first guy to put a guy into orbit.

00:03:21.000 Although they absolutely did fake the video footage that they released of Yuri Gagerov.

00:03:25.000 Is that his name?

00:03:26.000 Yuri Gagarin.

00:03:27.000 Yuri Gagarin in space.

00:03:28.000 They've proven that there's no way you could get the kind of camera that you would need to record that, which film in that small capsule that he was floating around in space in.

00:03:38.000 And then there's light coming from two... 1.00

00:03:39.000 So they have lights on him, these dumb fucks. 1.00

00:03:41.000 They have lights on him. 1.00

00:03:43.000 He's in a cabin and he's faking.

00:03:44.000 And he's like...

00:03:45.000 I think he really did do it, but they didn't really get footage of him doing it.

00:03:49.000 So they faked the footage, but he actually did it?

00:03:51.000 They faked the footage, yeah.

00:03:51.000 I'm cool with that.

00:03:52.000 The Russians bummed me out because Russia... 1.00

00:03:54.000 Propaganda.

00:03:55.000 They all did it.

00:03:55.000 The Russians are amazing at anything they put their mind to.

00:03:58.000 The culture itself, they work so hard.

00:04:01.000 If you look at them, they're like, we want to be great powerlifters, great wrestlers.

00:04:05.000 They're all doing steroids.

00:04:07.000 Even that.

00:04:08.000 Did you watch that movie?

00:04:10.000 The Brian Fogle movie? 0.99

00:04:12.000 How fucking crazy is that? 0.95

00:04:14.000 Everybody doing them. 0.99

00:04:15.000 Everybody.

00:04:16.000 Aren't they banned from the Olympics?

00:04:18.000 They just get banned?

00:04:19.000 They banned them, but here's what's really squirrely.

00:04:21.000 It's a weird band.

00:04:22.000 One of the things they did, they took medals away from a couple of people, but the people that take medals away, they say, you can't compete in this sport. 0.87

00:04:29.000 And now they've pulled them out of a couple sports that nobody gives a fuck about. 0.89

00:04:33.000 And here's the other problem.

00:04:34.000 The IOC and WADA, the World Anti-Doping Agency, they're completely interconnected.

00:04:40.000 People work for both of them.

00:04:41.000 They go back and forth in between each other.

00:04:43.000 They have an incestuous relationship.

00:04:45.000 And that was all exposed by Brian Fogle in that movie. 0.99

00:04:48.000 It's a fucking great movie. 0.98

00:04:49.000 Icarus, if you haven't seen it, you want to know the depths of doping. 0.99

00:04:53.000 I love that guy.

00:04:54.000 I love that Russian guy.

00:04:55.000 That Russian guy was fascinating to me.

00:04:57.000 And he had been an athlete.

00:04:58.000 And then he's in a witness protection program, right?

00:05:01.000 I mean, he's basically afraid for his life.

00:05:02.000 Yes.

00:05:03.000 Look at this.

00:05:04.000 Russia is banned from the 2018 Olympics, and the athletes are told to compete under the Olympic flag, not representing a country.

00:05:12.000 So now the Olympics are a country?

00:05:14.000 Olympics are going to get their own country.

00:05:15.000 That's going to be the new America Olympics.

00:05:16.000 This is going to be all Russians. 1.00

00:05:17.000 They're the country.

00:05:19.000 Most of these states, it's state-sponsored.

00:05:23.000 The anabolics were coming out of China, I think. 1.00

00:05:25.000 They're coming out all over the place. 0.90

00:05:26.000 You're crazy if you think Russia's the only one doing that. 0.99

00:05:29.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:05:29.000 You're crazy. 1.00

00:05:30.000 China did the same thing. 0.96

00:05:32.000 Brian Fogel pointed out that China did the exact same thing in Beijing. 1.00

00:05:35.000 They won all these fucking gold medals. 1.00

00:05:37.000 Like crazy they were winning gold medals. 1.00

00:05:39.000 And when there's a disproportionate amount of gold medals that are being won in your home country, yeah, you're like, okay, skeptical hippo face. 0.92

00:05:45.000 Why am I a little concerned here that the financial gains of making that many Olympic gold medals are so fucking irresistible.

00:05:54.000 Dude, look what he did for Jamaica. 0.84

00:05:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:57.000 You know, Jamaica doesn't have the fastest sprinters in the world. 0.59

00:06:00.000 Brandon.

00:06:01.000 They're not known for that.

00:06:02.000 Before that.

00:06:03.000 No, they kind of burst onto the scene.

00:06:05.000 Now!

00:06:06.000 Now!

00:06:07.000 Right, but there's no denying that there's an extreme and rampant abuse of performance enhancing drugs.

00:06:14.000 Nobody's been caught!

00:06:16.000 No, they have been caught.

00:06:17.000 Okay, one guy's been caught.

00:06:18.000 They took the relay gold medal away from St. Paul.

00:06:21.000 I think they're all called the Beast.

00:06:23.000 Well, when I was talking to Victor Conte, who is, by the way, as balls deep into that world as possible. 0.66

00:06:29.000 The ultimate snitch of snitches.

00:06:31.000 The snitch of snitches.

00:06:34.000 First team all snitch. 0.99

00:06:35.000 The guy who was the head of Balco, who made that clear shit that was undetectable for a little while until they figured out how to detect it, which is what they always do. 0.98

00:06:43.000 He said, all of tracking feels dirty. 0.98

00:06:45.000 Of course.

00:06:46.000 All of it. 0.97

00:06:47.000 So if you get some dudes coming out of Jamaica or France or Spain or whatever and they just burst onto the scene and they start fucking running faster than anybody else, they're doing some shit that no one knows about yet. 0.97

00:06:56.000 I know a woman who's gonna compete for a country. 1.00

00:06:59.000 How big's her dick? 1.00

00:06:59.000 And she had a dick on her. 1.00

00:07:04.000 But the steroids didn't help. 0.99

00:07:05.000 But she was training to be a triathlete.

00:07:07.000 And she was American, but she was going to represent the country of her origin.

00:07:11.000 And I started training, and she was a phenomenal athlete and everything else.

00:07:15.000 And her coach said, so... 0.99

00:07:17.000 Now, of course, we've got to talk about getting to the next level.

00:07:20.000 Whoa.

00:07:21.000 And she goes, I'm a triathlete.

00:07:24.000 We've got to start talking about messing with your endocrine system because you're not going to get these times until we get there. 1.00

00:07:30.000 You can't compete.

00:07:31.000 Yeah.

00:07:31.000 And then when she saw that everybody, he's like, well, no, no, no.

00:07:35.000 He's a famous coach.

00:07:36.000 He's like, no, no, no.

00:07:36.000 This is just a reality.

00:07:38.000 She was like, God, that's so disappointing.

00:07:40.000 She didn't do it.

00:07:42.000 That's the Lance Armstrong story.

00:07:43.000 Lance Armstrong realized when he was young that everybody is doing drugs.

00:07:48.000 All of them. 1.00

00:07:49.000 And so he, who competed clean when he was young, until he got to a certain level, he's like, fuck. 1.00

00:07:55.000 This is just how this goddamn thing works. 1.00

00:07:57.000 It's just this weird sort of three-card Monty game of hiding your dirty piss. 1.00

00:08:01.000 And he was better than everybody else. 0.77

00:08:03.000 He's not a bad guy.

00:08:04.000 State-sponsored.

00:08:05.000 Yeah, it's just part of the game.

00:08:06.000 What do you think?

00:08:07.000 So my feeling is...

00:08:10.000 So if weightlifters are going to move world record weights, it's really exciting to see them do that.

00:08:17.000 And obviously powerlifters and stuff like that are not going to be lifting as much with testosterone.

00:08:23.000 My question is...

00:08:24.000 Are we ever going to beat the inexorable advance of technology?

00:08:29.000 Are we ever going to really be able to stop as we are able to gene dope and all that stuff?

00:08:33.000 Where are we going with this?

00:08:35.000 It's always going to be a cat and mouse game.

00:08:37.000 Are we going to police this?

00:08:39.000 No, everyone's always going to look for an edge.

00:08:40.000 Always. 0.98

00:08:41.000 But in powerlifting, yeah, I don't give a fuck what they do because it's powerlifting. 0.89

00:08:46.000 When it comes to fighting or football, yeah, those are the two. 1.00

00:08:51.000 Fuck yeah, football. 1.00

00:08:52.000 Yeah, for sure. 1.00

00:08:53.000 Football and fighting are the number one number two.

00:08:55.000 Because you're hitting guys. 0.60

00:08:55.000 Yeah, brain trauma. 0.60

00:08:56.000 Football's a combat sport.

00:08:58.000 It's just got rigid rules.

00:09:00.000 When you're running full clip at each other and literally like knocking each other unconscious because you're head-butting each other.

00:09:05.000 Baseball, you don't care.

00:09:06.000 Which is what a big part of football was until they stopped people doing that.

00:09:09.000 It's a combat sport.

00:09:10.000 100%.

00:09:10.000 It just doesn't have kicks or punches.

00:09:12.000 But the juice is worth the squeeze in football.

00:09:15.000 It's worth the squeeze financially.

00:09:16.000 Same for a lot of the guys.

00:09:17.000 Financially, educationally, there's the fame, there's a lot.

00:09:20.000 How about baseball, where your bat speed stays the same through your 30s?

00:09:23.000 No one's getting hurt. 0.99

00:09:24.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:09:25.000 Hit all the home runs you want. 1.00

00:09:26.000 You can throw farther. 1.00

00:09:27.000 Baseball, it's a good argument for steroids, because it's a boring fucking game, too. 0.98

00:09:31.000 And the only time it's fun was when someone hits that ball. 0.99

00:09:33.000 When was it fun? 0.99

00:09:34.000 When Jose Canseco and Barry Bonds and fucking Sammy Sosa. 0.99

00:09:37.000 Mark McGuire. 0.99

00:09:37.000 Mark McGuire, they're cracking him out of the park. 0.99

00:09:39.000 That's when it's fun, correct?

00:09:40.000 Not only that, you get to- You're playing 160 games and you break down through the season.

00:09:45.000 It keeps you injury free.

00:09:46.000 Simply too many games.

00:09:49.000 If you're sprinting full out all the time like that, trying to get to third base, there's so many times where you're doing damage to your body and you're not going to have a chance to recover.

00:09:58.000 But if you're on the Jews, you can run faster. 1.00

00:10:02.000 You can keep going.

00:10:03.000 So what do you think?

00:10:04.000 But it's weird with MLB how they crack down on it, right?

00:10:06.000 Although they're killing it now.

00:10:08.000 But same with UFC. Like, they crack down on it.

00:10:10.000 So now you have USADA, but then you're not getting as good of a product, I don't think.

00:10:13.000 Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with the product right now in the UFC. I think it's as good as it's ever been.

00:10:17.000 How dare you?

00:10:19.000 A few fighters have dropped off the map.

00:10:21.000 But I think that's probably a good thing.

00:10:23.000 Because I think those guys are probably egregious.

00:10:25.000 See, I think it's a combination.

00:10:27.000 I think the skill level's going up just naturally, you know, through evolution, the skill level's going up.

00:10:31.000 But when you have such strict testing, then we're missing out on certain guys like Jon Jones and these other guys.

00:10:37.000 Well, the Jon Jones ones is very unfortunate because Jon is just...

00:10:41.000 Just one of the most talented guys of all time, if not the most talented.

00:10:45.000 He's number one.

00:10:45.000 And also, the biggest disaster in terms of the big mistakes that he's made.

00:10:50.000 We've never had a fighter that did a hit-and-run on a pregnant woman and broke her arm and then took off, and then tests positive for drugs because he's on dick pills, and then tests positive again after his comeback, after a spectacular win over Daniel Cormier.

00:11:03.000 He's so disappointing in that regard.

00:11:06.000 So exceptional in his physical abilities, but the choices he makes... 1.00

00:11:10.000 And the decisions that come out of those choices are just fucking terrible. 0.74

00:11:14.000 But a lot of it's because of the strict testing that the UFC hired through USADA. That has nothing to do with the car accident. 0.94

00:11:19.000 That has nothing to do with...

00:11:20.000 Nothing to do with the car accident, but...

00:11:22.000 So, like, car accident, yes.

00:11:23.000 But now?

00:11:24.000 Yes.

00:11:25.000 He'd be cleared.

00:11:26.000 He'd be all good.

00:11:26.000 Yes, but there's a symptom of something else going on, you know?

00:11:31.000 And...

00:11:32.000 People don't like to discuss this, but one of the things that easily could be is that John has impulse control because he's been sparring and fighting and at the highest level of the sport for many, many years now, and he's gotten hit in the head a gang of times.

00:11:48.000 There's no way around it.

00:11:49.000 There was just an article I posted on Twitter that came up a couple of days ago that these neuroscientists were examining Brain injury and violent behavior and how they're connected and how damage to certain areas of the brain has irreparable consequences on the decision-making ability of the person who gets hit.

00:12:07.000 I think that's part of it, but also he's been wild since high school, since college.

00:12:11.000 Which is a wild dude. 1.00

00:12:12.000 That's why he's a fucking... 1.00

00:12:13.000 One of the reasons why he's so good is because he's a wild motherfucker, and I love that part of him. 1.00

00:12:18.000 Conor's a little wild, too. 1.00

00:12:19.000 He's wild as fuck. 1.00

00:12:20.000 You look at the masterminds of this game. 1.00

00:12:22.000 They're all a little wild, man.

00:12:24.000 You have to be.

00:12:25.000 In any sport, though, look at Cam Newton.

00:12:27.000 He's a bit of a wild guy.

00:12:28.000 Look at Aaron Pyre.

00:12:28.000 Look at some of the great fighters.

00:12:30.000 Just wait.

00:12:30.000 If Francis Ngannou wins the world championship and spreads those super-powered genes throughout this great nation of ours, okay?

00:12:39.000 We won't need steroids.

00:12:41.000 We won't need the Russians. 1.00

00:12:42.000 If someone goes, you're heavyweight champion of the world, take a little bump here of this.

00:12:46.000 And Francis gets part of that devil's dandruff. 1.00

00:12:49.000 We all fuck. 1.00

00:12:50.000 Stipe Miocic, he's got to stop Stipe from double or single-legging him, taking him to the ground, and riding him. 1.00

00:12:57.000 So you guys be careful, because I'm saying Stipe is going to wrestle him to the ground.

00:13:01.000 I love when a sincere Brian Callen comes out.

00:13:04.000 I don't know what that was.

00:13:06.000 He's going to tire him out, and then he's going to stand him up in the third, fourth round, and all that strength is going to go away.

00:13:12.000 Well, it's entirely possible Stipe wins this.

00:13:14.000 Stipe's the world heavyweight champion.

00:13:16.000 Stipe's beaten Junior Dos Santos by knockout.

00:13:18.000 He beat Orlovsky by knockout.

00:13:20.000 He beat Overeem by knockout. 1.00

00:13:23.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:13:24.000 He won the title with a one punch, falling away right hand on the button. 1.00

00:13:28.000 He's a bad motherfucker, no doubt about it. 0.99

00:13:30.000 But there's physical, undeniable characteristics that Ngannou possesses that make him the most terrifying guy in the sport. 1.00

00:13:39.000 Yeah.

00:13:39.000 But the only shot that I'm seeing with Stipe in this fight, though, is stylistically, he could be the key to Francis.

00:13:47.000 Meaning, he doesn't entertain the stand-up. 0.99

00:13:50.000 He just puts that fucking forehead in the middle of his chest. 0.99

00:13:53.000 And it's like, dude, we're riding this out to the third, fourth round. 1.00

00:13:55.000 Let's see what you can do here.

00:13:56.000 It's totally possible. 0.97

00:13:58.000 But Alistair, when he clinched up with him, Alistair is fucking huge. 0.84

00:14:01.000 Alistair clinched up with Ngannou, and it was like trying to bear hug a wall. 0.82

00:14:05.000 Did you see his face? 1.00

00:14:09.000 Shit. 1.00

00:14:10.000 That's not Snowflake. 1.00

00:14:11.000 That's not Snowflake.

00:14:12.000 And then just gets worked.

00:14:14.000 Have we seen him go five, four rounds, even three rounds?

00:14:17.000 No.

00:14:18.000 No, I think the most he's ever been is two, right?

00:14:20.000 He got taken out in his first fight against Curtis Blades.

00:14:24.000 You shouldn't hang your head on that because Curtis Blades was a JUCO national champion. 0.99

00:14:28.000 JUCO national champs are fucking good wrestlers. 0.97

00:14:31.000 Curtis Blades is an excellent athlete, too, and he keeps getting better and better. 0.98

00:14:33.000 Curtis Blades is a real dark horse in the sport.

00:14:35.000 I think he's ranked 10 now.

00:14:36.000 If he keeps improving and keeps working at the rate he is, he's a big guy.

00:14:40.000 He hits hard.

00:14:41.000 He can wrestle. 0.99

00:14:42.000 He's fucking aggressive and smart. 0.99

00:14:43.000 Stand-ups. 0.99

00:14:45.000 Hopefully he's working with Christian Allen out there in Colorado.

00:14:47.000 His stand-up's kind of his...

00:14:48.000 He's getting better at it.

00:14:50.000 He's getting better at it.

00:14:51.000 But the thing is, he's got a lot to work with.

00:14:53.000 Correct.

00:14:54.000 He's good foundation.

00:14:55.000 Yeah.

00:14:56.000 He's got a lot to work with.

00:14:57.000 And he's a young guy.

00:14:58.000 Look at the Juco National Champs.

00:15:00.000 How old's Curtis?

00:15:01.000 He looks 74, but how old is he?

00:15:04.000 John Jones is Juco National Champion.

00:15:06.000 Correct.

00:15:06.000 Anthony Rumble Johnson, Juco National Champion.

00:15:08.000 Yeah.

00:15:09.000 Well, there's a lot of guys.

00:15:10.000 Well, Stipe was D1. He was a D1 wrestler.

00:15:12.000 He wrestled for four years?

00:15:13.000 I think so.

00:15:14.000 I played baseball.

00:15:15.000 There's a lot of guys who are phenomenal athletes that never wind up going to big colleges because they don't have the athletic or financial.

00:15:21.000 26?

00:15:22.000 26. See, Curtis Blades has a lot of potential, dude.

00:15:26.000 He has a lot of potential. 0.98

00:15:27.000 Damn, he's only 26? 0.99

00:15:28.000 I think in Ghana it was, what, 33? 1.00

00:15:31.000 32?

00:15:31.000 33?

00:15:32.000 How old's Francis?

00:15:32.000 He's not a young chicken.

00:15:34.000 But he had some rough years fighting on the streets in Cameroon.

00:15:37.000 31?

00:15:38.000 31. So Ngannou's 31. So think about Curtis Blades in five years.

00:15:42.000 Think about it.

00:15:43.000 He keeps getting better.

00:15:44.000 Five years ago, we didn't even know who Ngannou was.

00:15:46.000 Two years ago, he makes his UFC debut.

00:15:47.000 Two years later, everybody's lying on their back, and he's fighting for the title.

00:15:51.000 And I called him a Czech conga with braids, and I want to apologize. 0.99

00:15:54.000 Yeah, he doesn't have braids anymore, and now he's got fire in his hair.

00:15:56.000 I want to apologize for that.

00:15:57.000 Please don't hurt me.

00:15:57.000 Now he's got highlighted tips, and nobody says a word about it.

00:16:00.000 Not a word.

00:16:02.000 Dude, I saw him in the first UFC I've been to since I retired.

00:16:05.000 I went to that UFC that we were at in Vegas, and I was around the fighters and all that, and there was one hot dog left.

00:16:11.000 I went to grab the hot dog, and he reached for the hot dog. 0.98

00:16:14.000 He fucking de-bowed me on the hot dog. 0.99

00:16:15.000 He went, you can have it, bro. 1.00

00:16:17.000 You can have it, man.

00:16:17.000 Yeah.

00:16:18.000 He's fucking huge. 1.00

00:16:19.000 He's so scary. 1.00

00:16:21.000 He's scary.

00:16:21.000 Nicest guy, though, right?

00:16:22.000 He's a very, very nice guy.

00:16:23.000 Very nice guy.

00:16:24.000 So I think that, you know, Stipe is the...

00:16:27.000 You have to say that Stipe is the most experienced.

00:16:30.000 Stipe has real wins over world-class competition other than Alistair and Orlovsky, who are the two guys that Ngannou fought.

00:16:38.000 So he's got more experience having beaten Verdum, having beaten, you know, top-flight guys.

00:16:44.000 Junior Dos Santos by KO. And he has the style to do it, though.

00:16:47.000 Yeah.

00:16:47.000 He's got a chance.

00:16:48.000 I mean, the oddsmakers have him as a disadvantage.

00:16:53.000 Stipe?

00:16:54.000 Yeah, he's an underdog.

00:16:55.000 I watched that uppercut that he hit with...

00:16:58.000 Over-aim.

00:17:00.000 Please don't critique him.

00:17:02.000 I watched it in full speed.

00:17:06.000 It's so fast.

00:17:07.000 In real time, it's so fast.

00:17:09.000 It's so much faster than you realize, depending on the angle you look at it.

00:17:12.000 What was Overeem thinking there?

00:17:14.000 No, but dude, it came so fast.

00:17:15.000 He knew he couldn't get hit by him, so he was trying to be wild.

00:17:18.000 Overeem just went, oh yeah, I'm one of the greatest strikers in the heavyweight division of all time. 1.00

00:17:22.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:17:23.000 But watch how fast it goes. 1.00

00:17:25.000 There's a clip of it.

00:17:27.000 Yeah, let's go find the video.

00:17:29.000 It's so crazy fast.

00:17:30.000 There's a weird shootout with over him, just being all that experience.

00:17:33.000 Like, how's the one way Francis can win the first round? 1.00

00:17:35.000 Fuck it! 1.00

00:17:35.000 Let's just throw from our hips, see what happens. 1.00

00:17:38.000 Yeah.

00:17:39.000 I know, like, why didn't he, like, kick his legs?

00:17:41.000 Why didn't he fight on the outside?

00:17:42.000 Because he probably didn't expect him to be that fast.

00:17:43.000 Watch how fast this is.

00:17:44.000 Watch this.

00:17:46.000 See, look what Alistair's doing.

00:17:47.000 He's just trying to be, like, real awkward.

00:17:49.000 Even Alistair said this wasn't the gameplay.

00:17:50.000 Watch this, watch this.

00:17:51.000 He said that?

00:17:52.000 Yeah.

00:17:54.000 What was the game plan?

00:17:55.000 Not this.

00:17:57.000 Oh, that's such a good left hook, too.

00:18:00.000 Knockout of the ear.

00:18:01.000 You know what that's like?

00:18:02.000 That's like a Bonecrusher Smith shovel hook. 0.91

00:18:04.000 Remember when Bonecrusher Smith used to have that ridiculous left hand? 0.91

00:18:07.000 It was like a half hook, half uppercut. 0.98

00:18:10.000 Like a shovel, man.

00:18:11.000 Terrifying.

00:18:12.000 And then when you find out his dad was a legendary street fighter in Cameroon, you're like, okay, that makes sense.

00:18:19.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:18:20.000 Legendary.

00:18:21.000 Oh, and then he was homeless five years ago?

00:18:23.000 Yeah, five years ago.

00:18:24.000 And then just did that stuff?

00:18:25.000 Yeah.

00:18:25.000 Oh, you mean the movie Lionheart?

00:18:26.000 Yeah, that's fucking him. 0.99

00:18:27.000 And all he does is train, man. 1.00

00:18:29.000 All he does is train.

00:18:30.000 He practically lives at the UFC Performance Institute.

00:18:32.000 Really?

00:18:33.000 Really?

00:18:33.000 He's there every day.

00:18:33.000 He's the UFC's bang.

00:18:35.000 The UFC's Performance Institute is the most state-of-the-art motherfucking place you've ever seen in your life. 0.99

00:18:40.000 In terms of recovery, in terms of strength and conditioning equipment, I mean it is a fucking spectacular facility. 0.98

00:18:45.000 And he just lives there. 0.97

00:18:46.000 He's there every day.

00:18:47.000 They moved him there.

00:18:48.000 Yeah, they moved him from France to Vegas.

00:18:50.000 Who are his trainers there?

00:18:52.000 Well, Vinny Magalese, I know, is working with him in terms of his jiu-jitsu, but his original trainer that found him in Paris is with him here.

00:19:00.000 I forget the gentleman's name.

00:19:02.000 But this is the UFC Performance Institute. 0.98

00:19:03.000 It's fucking phenomenal. 0.98

00:19:04.000 Here's my thing with this, Joe. 0.99

00:19:06.000 It's a crazy place.

00:19:07.000 So let's say, so France, they're doing his camp.

00:19:09.000 Well, Stipe's like, hey, man, I want those.

00:19:10.000 I'm going to do my camp there, too.

00:19:11.000 That's a good point.

00:19:12.000 And Stipe's the champ.

00:19:13.000 But Stipe doesn't want to, luckily.

00:19:15.000 You know, it's not an issue because Stipe is in Cleveland and he has his same coaches that he's always had and a real tight-knit team that's worked great for him.

00:19:22.000 No, I get that.

00:19:23.000 I'm saying at some point, let's say Harley and Cyborg.

00:19:25.000 Why does that girl have full makeup on when she's throwing punches? 1.00

00:19:28.000 She'd be the hottest girl to ever enter the octagon if she fought. 0.99

00:19:30.000 You think so?

00:19:31.000 Dude, that girl is easy on the ice. 1.00

00:19:33.000 I got nothing for her.

00:19:34.000 I don't know about that, man.

00:19:35.000 You think she's hotter than that Rachel, how do you say her name, Ostavik girl? 1.00

00:19:39.000 I'd have to see her.

00:19:39.000 That just fought for the ultimate...

00:19:42.000 Let me see her.

00:19:42.000 The Ultimate Fighter, the TV show?

00:19:44.000 You talking about the two-go biddies?

00:19:46.000 I'm talking about, yeah, the girl from Hawaii.

00:19:47.000 Oh, dark hair, wide face.

00:19:49.000 See, that's why we get along.

00:19:51.000 She's stunning.

00:19:52.000 And she won, too, right?

00:19:53.000 I was rooting for her.

00:19:55.000 See if you can find her. 0.99

00:19:55.000 We were one of the 30 viewers during that, but I was fucking rooting for her. 0.99

00:19:58.000 She's way more... 1.00

00:19:59.000 I don't want to say that the girl's ugly. 1.00

00:20:01.000 The girl's definitely not ugly. 1.00

00:20:01.000 She's very pretty. 1.00

00:20:02.000 But first of all, why is she wearing makeup while she's fighting? 1.00

00:20:04.000 That was a commercial.

00:20:06.000 I think they were both models and that was a commercial.

00:20:08.000 Did Reebok engineer that commercial?

00:20:10.000 I don't want to say that they engineered it.

00:20:13.000 By a bunch of millennials that have a hard time putting their backpack in the overhead compartment.

00:20:17.000 I thought that was that.

00:20:19.000 That was surveillance, gym surveillance.

00:20:21.000 Yeah, see? 1.00

00:20:22.000 Shut your fucking mouth. 1.00

00:20:24.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:20:25.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:20:26.000 That kind of body.

00:20:27.000 Is that Megan Fox for the mass?

00:20:28.000 Jesus, dude.

00:20:30.000 I can't watch this.

00:20:31.000 I'm going to pass out.

00:20:32.000 Hey, keep this going, Jimmy, for a minute.

00:20:34.000 And she can fight, too.

00:20:36.000 I don't want to be disrespectful.

00:20:37.000 And she can fight.

00:20:37.000 No, me neither.

00:20:39.000 She's a legit fighter. 1.00

00:20:40.000 She's gorgeous, yeah. 1.00

00:20:41.000 And, you know, by all accounts, a very nice person.

00:20:47.000 There's a lot of pretty girls that are finding their way into the UFC and they find that that's an asset. 1.00

00:20:52.000 You know what's really interesting to me?

00:20:53.000 One of the best looking ones of all puts zero emphasis on that and that's Rose Namajunas. 1.00

00:20:59.000 Rose is fucking gorgeous. 0.99

00:21:02.000 She's super pretty. 1.00

00:21:03.000 And she puts no emphasis on that. 1.00

00:21:05.000 Shaves her fucking head. 1.00

00:21:07.000 And there's nothing fake about that girl. 1.00

00:21:09.000 She went full 11 and then she's just...

00:21:11.000 There's nothing fake about that girl.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, we met her, I think, or at least I did.

00:21:16.000 You'd known her before.

00:21:17.000 I've known her for a while, yeah.

00:21:17.000 I met her at that thing.

00:21:18.000 Was it a Spike thing?

00:21:20.000 I can't remember.

00:21:20.000 UFC thing?

00:21:21.000 And she was in a dress.

00:21:22.000 She was with Pat Berry.

00:21:23.000 Yeah.

00:21:24.000 But she had long hair back then.

00:21:26.000 I mean, she was stunning, like astonishing looking.

00:21:29.000 And I didn't know who she was at the time.

00:21:31.000 And, I mean, so she, yeah, she's, if she walked into a bar back then like that, even now, but I mean, back then, you would have been like, I mean, she turns every head.

00:21:39.000 She has a supermodel face. 1.00

00:21:41.000 She really does.

00:21:42.000 She's a model. 1.00

00:21:43.000 And she doesn't put any emphasis on that at all.

00:21:45.000 All of her emphasis is on her fighting and zero trash talking. 1.00

00:21:49.000 How about after the fight?

00:21:51.000 Remember when she shaved her head when she was fighting Paige Van Zandt? 0.92

00:21:53.000 She went, oh, your thing's beauty? 0.98

00:21:56.000 Well, she's like, my hair was just getting in the way. 1.00

00:21:58.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:21:58.000 Then beat the brakes off of her. 1.00

00:21:59.000 Yeah, that's what she used to look like. 0.99

00:22:01.000 That's like workout hair.

00:22:03.000 She looks better with her head shave.

00:22:05.000 I agree.

00:22:06.000 It's kind of like a G.I. Jane.

00:22:07.000 With that upper right hand corner with the red shirt on there, Jamie?

00:22:10.000 Upper right hand corner?

00:22:10.000 Right there.

00:22:11.000 I mean, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:22:12.000 That's a beautiful girl. 1.00

00:22:14.000 That's a model, son.

00:22:15.000 That is about as hot as a woman's face gets. 1.00

00:22:18.000 They don't get any prettier.

00:22:19.000 Get her a Calvin Klein contract, for God's sakes. 0.99

00:22:21.000 But meanwhile, how the fuck did no one see her coming? 0.99

00:22:24.000 I mean, it's kind of crazy. 0.99

00:22:26.000 I think she looks so feminine. 0.98

00:22:27.000 I think her body doesn't look like it's supposed to do that stuff. 1.00

00:22:31.000 Think about how much emphasis they put on promoting Paige Van Zandt.

00:22:34.000 How much emphasis they put on a lot of other girls that are really pretty, too.

00:22:37.000 But that's a marketing thing.

00:22:39.000 Look, you've got to look at what this company is now. 0.99

00:22:42.000 This company started off a passion project by two fucking crazy billionaire dudes. 0.98

00:22:46.000 Well, first of all, Horry and Gracie. 0.98

00:22:48.000 Art Davies, the original guys.

00:22:51.000 Bob Meyerowitz.

00:22:52.000 Those guys started it off.

00:22:54.000 They get it going.

00:22:55.000 Then they sell it as a passion project to two super billionaires who love the sport, who train. 0.97

00:23:01.000 They were fucking happy as pie. 0.93

00:23:04.000 They're like, we own the UFC. Dana talked them into it. 0.99

00:23:07.000 Dana talked them into it.

00:23:08.000 They're having a good old time.

00:23:10.000 They literally were what me and Eddie Bravo used to pray for. 0.96

00:23:14.000 When we were watching the fights back when nobody gave a shit about the UFC... The thing we always said was, wouldn't it be amazing if some billionaires just threw a shitload of money at it and made it famous? 0.87

00:23:25.000 Like, we know it's an incredible sport to watch.

00:23:27.000 We know how exciting it is.

00:23:29.000 Wouldn't it be great if someone had just publicized this thing and then the Fertitta's come along?

00:23:33.000 Literally, like, they just, they figured it out themselves.

00:23:36.000 They're like, this thing is, like, we just need to spend money.

00:23:39.000 They spent, they were $40 million in the hole when the first Ultimate Fighter was airing.

00:23:44.000 Oh, so they put that much money into it initially?

00:23:46.000 They put all the money, produced the Ultimate Fighter.

00:23:48.000 Lorenzo's a genius.

00:23:49.000 And then the show takes off.

00:23:51.000 By the way, after they had called Dana White and told him to bail, they're like, sell this thing.

00:23:56.000 We're losing too much money.

00:23:57.000 We're X amount of millions of dollars in the hole.

00:23:59.000 I'm not going to lose my family's business all because of this one project that we have. 1.00

00:24:03.000 Fuck this. 1.00

00:24:04.000 And then he calls him up the next day and he goes, I changed my mind. 1.00

00:24:06.000 He slept on it.

00:24:07.000 Why did he change his mind? 1.00

00:24:08.000 Because he's a fucking genius! 1.00

00:24:11.000 He's a genius. 1.00

00:24:11.000 I think Lorenzo's the most... 1.00

00:24:14.000 You know, there's one A, one B, but he's right up there as most important people.

00:24:17.000 He's so calm, too.

00:24:19.000 He was an important balancing act to Dana.

00:24:22.000 Yes.

00:24:22.000 Dana's so volatile and crazy.

00:24:24.000 Emotional. 1.00

00:24:25.000 Fuck this guy, and he's a faggot. 1.00

00:24:27.000 All the craziness that Dana, especially in the early days, used to be. 1.00

00:24:30.000 And then he goes from that to super calm, really reasonable, incredibly articulate, laid-back Lorenzo.

00:24:38.000 Yeah.

00:24:38.000 I think he's missed now.

00:24:40.000 Now that things are going on, you would never have seen the Floyd May with the Conor fight if Lorenzo was there.

00:24:45.000 Why do you say that?

00:24:46.000 He would never let that happen. 1.00

00:24:48.000 You're crazy.

00:24:48.000 He really wasn't into that stuff.

00:24:50.000 He really wasn't, man. 1.00

00:24:51.000 Oh, you're crazy. 0.93

00:24:52.000 He didn't like spectacle. 0.99

00:24:53.000 No.

00:24:54.000 No.

00:24:54.000 But why would you pass on that thing?

00:24:56.000 I wanted to see that.

00:24:57.000 Didn't you want to see that?

00:24:58.000 Hell yeah, I wanted to see it.

00:24:59.000 I wanted to see it.

00:25:00.000 But Lorenzo, I think, looked at the bigger picture.

00:25:02.000 Because I think now that we look back on Floyd and Conor and then where the UFC's at now, I don't know if it's the best decision.

00:25:09.000 It's a great decision.

00:25:10.000 I think it was an amazing decision.

00:25:11.000 First of all, it's an amazing decision for the overall evolution of combat sports.

00:25:16.000 It's incredibly important.

00:25:17.000 No chance.

00:25:18.000 It's incredibly important to realize that a real specialist like Floyd Mayweather will run circles around someone who does not have the same amount of time and knowledge.

00:25:29.000 Like, Conor has great punching power.

00:25:31.000 He's got great speed.

00:25:32.000 But as far as his, like, boxing acumen to compare the two of them, the greatest of all time, arguably...

00:25:40.000 It's not even close.

00:25:41.000 And please caveat that with the fact that Floyd Mayweather didn't even fight him the way he fights other guys.

00:25:46.000 If he had wanted not to be touched, he could have done that too.

00:25:48.000 Walked towards him, made him work hard, wore him out and started beating him up.

00:25:54.000 That's great, and those are great points, but I think if you look at the lay of the land now, Lorenzo wouldn't have done it because now you have two divisions held up.

00:26:01.000 You have Conor with all this power.

00:26:03.000 We have no idea whether he's going to fight.

00:26:05.000 He'll never have to fight again.

00:26:06.000 So you miss out on Conor.

00:26:07.000 If you want to sell the TV deals, you can't guarantee Conor's going to fight.

00:26:11.000 That's why Lorenzo wouldn't have done it.

00:26:12.000 I agree with Brennan on that.

00:26:13.000 But I think there's a thing there.

00:26:15.000 Go ahead, also.

00:26:16.000 Also, now we're in the era of the money fight, where everyone wants the money fight.

00:26:21.000 Rankings don't matter.

00:26:22.000 Divisions don't matter. 0.98

00:26:23.000 Titles don't matter.

00:26:24.000 So we've lost all that kind of fundamental that we've laid out of title shots and all that.

00:26:31.000 I disagree.

00:26:31.000 Now everyone wants the famous fight.

00:26:33.000 Woodley wants the famous fight.

00:26:34.000 They all do want the famous fight because there's the money in that.

00:26:36.000 But hold on a second.

00:26:37.000 We haven't lost all the rankings.

00:26:39.000 We just lost the rankings sometimes.

00:26:42.000 Sometimes they don't matter.

00:26:43.000 When do they matter?

00:26:44.000 Listen, a lot of it is because the $4 billion price tag of that company.

00:26:48.000 That's a big part of it.

00:26:48.000 Well, a lot of it is because the fighters aren't making money.

00:26:50.000 But also because the people that own the company now are an entertainment business.

00:26:54.000 They're like, where's the money?

00:26:54.000 The money's in these big spectacle things.

00:26:56.000 That's where the money is.

00:26:57.000 We're here to make some money.

00:26:58.000 We're here to put on great fights. 0.98

00:26:59.000 Like, you can't tell me that fucking Detroit card wasn't one of the wildest fight cards you've ever seen in your life. 0.99

00:27:03.000 They're putting on great fucking fights. 0.99

00:27:06.000 They're putting on great cards. 1.00

00:27:08.000 And on top of that, they're also having chaos.

00:27:11.000 They're having Conor McGregor box Floyd Mayweather.

00:27:14.000 But I think for the evolution of combat sports, that fight is important.

00:27:17.000 I don't think it lended itself to the evolution of combat sports in that they were such different sports.

00:27:23.000 So I think everybody knew that ultimately...

00:27:26.000 Yeah, but we need to see it.

00:27:27.000 You need to see it.

00:27:28.000 Like James Toney-Randy Couture?

00:27:30.000 Yeah, we've seen it before.

00:27:30.000 Well, the James Toney-Randy Couture fight is not fair because James Toney half-assed that.

00:27:34.000 He barely trained.

00:27:35.000 He didn't train any grappling.

00:27:37.000 We saw him doing his training with some karate guy.

00:27:39.000 But Ali did this stuff, too, didn't he?

00:27:41.000 But he did with the milky.

00:27:42.000 Yeah.

00:27:42.000 But here's the thing.

00:27:44.000 What James Toney did was try to just go in there and get paid.

00:27:48.000 He got taken down with a low ankle pick.

00:27:51.000 He got...

00:27:52.000 Just completely smushed by Randy Couture.

00:27:53.000 It was a half-ass attempt, I agree.

00:27:55.000 He's out of shape.

00:27:56.000 He was way past his prime. 1.00

00:27:58.000 Floyd Mayweather's in his fucking prime. 0.99

00:28:00.000 Even though he's 40, he's still so good in his prime. 0.99

00:28:03.000 But you can't say he's lost a step.

00:28:05.000 You can't say he's lost a step.

00:28:06.000 You look at him against Manny Pacquiao.

00:28:07.000 You're talking about a 26-year-old Floyd Mayweather eats that upcut Conor landed on him?

00:28:12.000 If he fought that way.

00:28:13.000 It's depending on if he tried to just walk towards him like he had nothing.

00:28:16.000 But he did.

00:28:16.000 He stood in his grove.

00:28:17.000 Connor cracked him with that one shot, and I think Floyd was like, oh, okay, okay, okay, you can hit me.

00:28:23.000 He's like, we gotta get going. 0.99

00:28:24.000 Let me just start ramping this bitch up to nine. 1.00

00:28:27.000 Listen, I'm cooking you a little bit. 0.99

00:28:29.000 I love the Floyd Mayweather.

00:28:30.000 Eating you in the 10th round.

00:28:31.000 Conor McGregor's stuff more than anyone.

00:28:33.000 I love it because Conor got paid. 0.93

00:28:34.000 I'm saying Lorenzo from a business aspect is going, if we give all this guy the fucking power now, the ball's in his court, man. 0.97

00:28:42.000 That's not what we're about. 0.96

00:28:43.000 But here's my thoughts.

00:28:44.000 The only way you get a superstar, the only way you get a Sugar Ray Leonard, a Muhammad Ali, the cult of personality that comes around those people, they do have all the power.

00:28:56.000 There's no getting around that.

00:28:57.000 You can't stop that as a promotional organization.

00:28:59.000 You have to somehow or another ride with the wave and make some sort of cohesive agreement.

00:29:05.000 They also have to be challenged.

00:29:05.000 You've got to make some sort of agreement with that person.

00:29:08.000 They made it with Brock Lesnar.

00:29:11.000 They made it with Ronda Rousey, really the only other two superstars.

00:29:15.000 But they didn't last.

00:29:16.000 They didn't last.

00:29:17.000 See, what keeps...

00:29:20.000 A champion relevant and in the lore is the guy who keeps answering the call.

00:29:26.000 And Conor did that in two different weight classes.

00:29:29.000 I mean, you know, he beat the impossible to beat Jose Aldo.

00:29:33.000 So people are going to argue that because he hasn't defended a belt.

00:29:36.000 So he's not answering the belt.

00:29:38.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:29:38.000 That's why I agree with your point about the evolution of the combat sport.

00:29:41.000 What it's done now is put so much power in his hands.

00:29:43.000 He's got $100 million, whatever he has.

00:29:45.000 Which I love.

00:29:46.000 And me too, because I like the guy.

00:29:47.000 But at the same time...

00:29:49.000 You're not going to see him fight these monsters like Tony.

00:29:54.000 You're going to see him fight Tony this year.

00:29:58.000 Why would you say that?

00:30:00.000 First of all, I don't like anybody saying this guy's not going to do this or he's not going to do that because we really don't know.

00:30:05.000 But why wouldn't he fight Tony Ferguson if he wants to fight again?

00:30:08.000 I haven't seen him even training.

00:30:10.000 He's training nonstop.

00:30:12.000 Do you follow him on Instagram?

00:30:13.000 No.

00:30:14.000 He can't say that!

00:30:15.000 He can't say that.

00:30:16.000 But is he going to fight Tony Ferguson?

00:30:17.000 He hasn't come to my house.

00:30:18.000 He hasn't been training in Santa Monica.

00:30:19.000 Well, that's the problem.

00:30:20.000 Where are you going to see him train?

00:30:21.000 How can you say he's not going to fight?

00:30:23.000 Has he even mentioned fighting Tony Ferguson?

00:30:25.000 Yes!

00:30:25.000 They talk shit to each other back and forth.

00:30:28.000 TMZ goes, hey, are you going to box Pacquiao? 1.00

00:30:30.000 He goes, no, my next fight is mixed martial arts.

00:30:32.000 I'm going to fight inside that octagon.

00:30:33.000 Yeah, he said my next fight is going to be a real fight.

00:30:36.000 He's going to fight Tony Ferguson.

00:30:37.000 That Tony Ferguson fight, when I look at it more and more, I watch footage, I think it's not that bad of a matchup for Conor.

00:30:43.000 I used to be like, God, it's a tough fight.

00:30:44.000 But I think early, especially early rounds, one through three, with Conor's accuracy and the way Tony gets hit, it's a good fight for Conor.

00:30:52.000 Except when it goes past the third round, it could get nasty.

00:30:55.000 Two parts of the problem. 1.00

00:30:56.000 One, Tony finishes motherfuckers off his back. 1.00

00:30:59.000 He is nasty off his back. 1.00

00:31:01.000 If he gets taken down... 0.97

00:31:02.000 Yeah, if he gets taken down.

00:31:03.000 But I'm saying if he gets hit.

00:31:04.000 If he gets hit like Nate Diaz does and goes down, it's not like 100% that he's going to beat him up and ground and pound him. 0.99

00:31:11.000 Tony, if he gets dropped, will wrap you up like a fucking mummy and submit you. 0.98

00:31:16.000 So will Nate, though, and Connor doesn't entertain that. 1.00

00:31:20.000 Maybe Nate...

00:31:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:31:22.000 He doesn't have to play that game.

00:31:23.000 Nate certainly can.

00:31:24.000 The difference is if Tony goes, you know what?

00:31:27.000 I know you're fast and powerful in these first three rounds.

00:31:30.000 I'm a collegiate wrestler. 1.00

00:31:32.000 Fuck this noise. 1.00

00:31:33.000 I'm just going to ankle pick you all fucking day. 1.00

00:31:35.000 And then third, fourth, fifth, I'm going to start striking with you. 0.99

00:31:37.000 But Conor could catch him long before that.

00:31:40.000 It's a good fight. 0.71

00:31:41.000 Ridiculous speed.

00:31:42.000 Tony doesn't get tired. 0.76

00:31:43.000 I haven't seen him get tired.

00:31:44.000 It's a big difference.

00:31:45.000 He's tired.

00:31:45.000 He doesn't show it.

00:31:46.000 Because he's a fucking... 1.00

00:31:48.000 Serial killer. 1.00

00:31:49.000 I think he gets less tired than the other guy.

00:31:51.000 I promise you he gets tired, Brian.

00:31:53.000 Everybody gets tired.

00:31:54.000 No, it's just here for him.

00:31:55.000 But it is. 0.97

00:31:56.000 But he also is ridiculous conditioning. 1.00

00:31:58.000 Eddie Bravo is his fucking jiu-jitsu trainer. 0.99

00:32:00.000 And Eddie said he's never seen anything like this guy. 0.99

00:32:02.000 He said the guy trains for six hours a day.

00:32:05.000 He said he's in Big Bear, he's running hills, literally lapping his training partners.

00:32:10.000 He'll turn around and go back and run up again.

00:32:12.000 They're not even up to the top of the hill yet.

00:32:13.000 That is such an advantage in a five-round fight.

00:32:16.000 I mean, such an advantage in a three-round fight.

00:32:17.000 I mean, his ability to just not, like, when you're less tired than the other guy, oh my god.

00:32:22.000 All his camps are at Big Bear.

00:32:23.000 He goes, he rents a house. 1.00

00:32:24.000 He builds his own fucking training facility. 0.99

00:32:26.000 He sets up his own heavy bags. 1.00

00:32:27.000 He mats up floors. 1.00

00:32:29.000 He takes a fucking room. 1.00

00:32:30.000 He's got, like, a living room or a house. 1.00

00:32:32.000 He sets down the borders, brings in the mats, and they start training. 0.99

00:32:35.000 He finds hills, runs those fucking hills at 6,000 feet altitude. 0.99

00:32:39.000 God. 1.00

00:32:40.000 Conrad 55 is no punk, man.

00:32:42.000 He's not.

00:32:43.000 Ask Eddie Alvarez.

00:32:44.000 Look at Eddie.

00:32:45.000 Nobody's saying he's a punk, man.

00:32:46.000 No, I'm just saying.

00:32:47.000 At first I was like, God, that's kind of a scary fight for Conrad.

00:32:50.000 Then when I look at him like...

00:32:51.000 You know, he does get hit.

00:32:52.000 Ferguson gets hit, man.

00:32:53.000 The prom child is Khabib.

00:32:56.000 Khabib, it's almost a round table because Khabib versus Tony, hell of a fight.

00:33:01.000 Khabib versus Conor, God, that's a tough fight for Conor.

00:33:03.000 But they can eliminate each other.

00:33:05.000 It's whoever shows up that night. 1.00

00:33:06.000 It's a fucking good fight, man. 1.00

00:33:08.000 Khabib takes your legs down. 0.99

00:33:10.000 We're going to know all about Khabib this weekend.

00:33:13.000 When he fights Edson Barboza, we're going to see him with arguably the fastest striker in the 155 pound division. 0.85

00:33:17.000 Who doesn't give a fuck about going to the ground. 0.56

00:33:19.000 He's like, no, we're not going to the ground. 0.99

00:33:21.000 I'm not even going to entertain that. 1.00

00:33:22.000 Where other guys will play that game, anti-wrestling will kick you in the fucking face. 0.99

00:33:26.000 Right, but how do you keep him from taking you to the ground when he clenches? 1.00

00:33:28.000 You kick him in the face.

00:33:29.000 When he gets in the clench. 0.99

00:33:30.000 You avoid the clench.

00:33:31.000 How do you avoid that with Khabib? 1.00

00:33:33.000 It's hard. 0.99

00:33:34.000 It's fucking hard. 0.98

00:33:35.000 It's not an easy fight by any stretch of the imagination. 0.99

00:33:37.000 It's a tough fight for Khabib.

00:33:38.000 Michael Johnson cracked Khabib when they fought and had him wobbly. 0.76

00:33:41.000 It's the first time we've seen any adversity that Khabib had to face inside the octagon. 0.99

00:33:46.000 But he handled it with fucking four aces. 0.99

00:33:48.000 Took him to the ground and smashed him. 0.99

00:33:50.000 I had no idea Khabib went up to 205 when he trained.

00:33:53.000 Well, he gets heavy.

00:33:54.000 He gets heavy in between fights, but he didn't do it this time.

00:33:57.000 Daniel Cormier said he has a new nutrition, and he said he has been lighter getting ready for this camp than any fight before.

00:34:03.000 He was 179 pounds just a couple of weeks ago.

00:34:05.000 Josh Thompson was like, dude, you've never seen anything like it.

00:34:08.000 Because I was talking about Conor and Khabib.

00:34:09.000 He's like, dude, I'm telling you, man.

00:34:11.000 I've seen him go with DC. I've seen him go with all these guys.

00:34:13.000 And think about what he did at Dos Anjos.

00:34:16.000 Think about what he did.

00:34:17.000 Ragdolled him. 1.00

00:34:18.000 Ragdolls.

00:34:19.000 Ragdolls everybody. 1.00

00:34:20.000 Oh, you're fighting at 70?

00:34:20.000 And I go, why doesn't Khabib just go to 70 after he sees what goes into?

00:34:23.000 He's going to.

00:34:24.000 That's his plan.

00:34:24.000 All he wants to do is get the belt at 55. As soon as he gets that, he's going, peace.

00:34:28.000 And then at 70, enjoy that. 1.00

00:34:30.000 Enjoy that motherfucker at 70. It's like he gets you and he breaks your legs down. 1.00

00:34:35.000 It's like, oh, you're a table. 0.96

00:34:36.000 I'm going to take your legs down. 1.00

00:34:37.000 Now you're on the ground. 0.52

00:34:38.000 And that's it.

00:34:39.000 I've never seen anybody get him off.

00:34:41.000 All elite wrestlers, right?

00:34:43.000 Whether they're talking about Dave Schultz or whether you're talking about...

00:34:48.000 Karelin, all the best of the best wrestlers, they have an ability to enforce their will. 0.88

00:34:54.000 To just power into guys and do shit to them that they don't want done and break them. 0.95

00:34:59.000 They wear you. 0.99

00:35:01.000 With technique, with will, with physical conditioning, with everything.

00:35:04.000 DC's the same way.

00:35:06.000 DC's the same way.

00:35:07.000 All the best guys have everything.

00:35:09.000 They have all the components.

00:35:11.000 And that's one of the things Nurmagomedov does.

00:35:12.000 Then you add the fact that he's from Dagestan. 0.99

00:35:15.000 You add the fact that he grew up in one of the hardest places in the fucking world. 0.99

00:35:18.000 That's right. 0.99

00:35:19.000 And everyone around him is hard as nails.

00:35:21.000 Where I think the national sport might be wrestling.

00:35:23.000 Might be murder.

00:35:24.000 Yeah.

00:35:25.000 You get a varsity and murder in high school.

00:35:28.000 Varsity and murder?

00:35:29.000 It's a crazy place, man.

00:35:30.000 What's ridiculous is him versus Barboza, if it's like a video game, you look at their attributes, Barboza's striking's like this, but his wrestling's like this.

00:35:37.000 Khabib, his wrestling's like this, but his striking's like this.

00:35:40.000 So you're intrigued by this. 0.99

00:35:41.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:35:42.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:35:43.000 This to me is the most intriguing fight that Khabib has ever fought. 1.00

00:35:46.000 By far.

00:35:47.000 By far.

00:35:48.000 Two reasons.

00:35:49.000 One, the two fights where he had so much difficulty making weight that his body was shutting down.

00:35:54.000 It happened in the Michael Johnson fight, then it happened again in the Tony Ferguson fight to the point that he pulled him off the card.

00:36:00.000 So they were saying his liver was shutting down. 1.00

00:36:02.000 This is serious, serious shit. 0.99

00:36:04.000 He has not made 155 since, right? 1.00

00:36:06.000 He hasn't fought since.

00:36:07.000 So there's so much pressure on him to do this correctly, but who knows if he can?

00:36:12.000 When your body does not want to do that anymore, you run into serious problems.

00:36:16.000 It's one of the things that happens to older athletes when they've been cutting extreme amounts of weight over and over again.

00:36:21.000 They get to a point where their body is taking...

00:36:22.000 Every time you cut 30 pounds of water from your body, Your body goes into a state of shock.

00:36:28.000 You do some damage.

00:36:30.000 The question is, how much damage are you doing?

00:36:32.000 Think how long he's been doing it, too.

00:36:33.000 Josh Thompson brought that point.

00:36:35.000 He goes, dude, he's been cutting weight since he was a kid.

00:36:37.000 He's been in these wrestling terms, the Sambo terms, since he was a kid, so he's older now. 0.98

00:36:41.000 He's been cutting weight for fucking ever. 0.92

00:36:43.000 And here's a real question. 0.99

00:36:44.000 Here's a real question. 0.99

00:36:45.000 If he wins the title, how the fuck is he going to defend it in California? 0.98

00:36:50.000 He's not going to. 0.98

00:36:51.000 Yeah, because California has new strict laws.

00:36:54.000 Andy Foster, the guy who runs the California State Athletic Commission, is one of the best guys in the sport.

00:37:00.000 He's so proactive.

00:37:01.000 He's so ahead of it.

00:37:02.000 He's adding weight classes.

00:37:03.000 He's doing so much to make this safe.

00:37:05.000 And he's a lifelong martial artist himself.

00:37:08.000 And he competed.

00:37:09.000 So here's a guy who sees what the problems are and he says, okay, we're going to make sure you don't weigh 15 pounds more when you get into the octagon.

00:37:16.000 The night of the fight.

00:37:17.000 Yeah.

00:37:17.000 I think it's a percentage, right?

00:37:19.000 Is it a percentage of weight that you can't gain?

00:37:21.000 No, no, it's only pounds.

00:37:23.000 So I think at 55, you can't come in heavier than it's like 15.5 or something like that.

00:37:27.000 Yeah, so like 70. Which is crazy.

00:37:30.000 That's why Khabib's just going to get the title and dip out to 70. How about Gleason Tebow?

00:37:33.000 Gleason Tebow would fight at 55, and he literally looked like he was 200 pounds.

00:37:36.000 He's going to fight at 55. I heard that Darren Till, and I'm sure you'll hear this, but I heard when he stepped into the octagon against Cowboy Snowden, he was 201 pounds.

00:37:45.000 Yeah, that's what I heard, too.

00:37:46.000 Enjoy beating Darren Till right now.

00:37:47.000 Yeah, enjoy it.

00:37:48.000 No one wants to fight him except for Mike Perry.

00:37:51.000 He's only 24. He even said he'd fight Mike Perry.

00:37:54.000 He goes, listen, I don't give a fuck about rankings, belt, I'll fight you right now. 0.91

00:37:56.000 Well, he wants to put on a show. 0.99

00:37:58.000 He wants to light people on fire.

00:37:59.000 And no one wants to get in there with him.

00:38:01.000 They saw that cowboy fight and they're like, uh...

00:38:03.000 And he's huge.

00:38:04.000 Then you learn his story like, oh my god, he's a nightmare.

00:38:06.000 Wonder Boy was like, let's do this!

00:38:08.000 And Wonder Boy's daddy was like, uh...

00:38:10.000 No, but Wonderboy did not say let's do this.

00:38:12.000 Let me be honest with you.

00:38:12.000 Wonderboy had hurt thumbs that he told me about in the ring after the fight.

00:38:16.000 His thumbs? 0.97

00:38:17.000 Yeah, in the cage after the fight, he said his thumbs are pretty fucked up because he was talking about it in between rounds with his corner. 0.99

00:38:22.000 And I said, what were you saying about your hands? 0.98

00:38:24.000 He goes, yeah, man, I did something to my thumbs. 0.99

00:38:26.000 Like I hit, you know, he's throwing these crazy fucking punches on a guy like Jorge Masvidal, who's no joke, right? 0.99

00:38:32.000 Hell no. 1.00

00:38:33.000 He's catching elbows, he's catching foreheads, and he fucked his thumbs up. 0.99

00:38:36.000 And he might need surgery. 0.99

00:38:38.000 He doesn't know.

00:38:39.000 Did he have surgery or no?

00:38:39.000 I don't know.

00:38:40.000 He was in a position where he had some serious injuries.

00:38:44.000 They were saying, and Dana White even tweeted it.

00:38:47.000 Or somebody tweeted it.

00:38:48.000 No, Dana tweeted out the fight, right?

00:38:50.000 Yeah.

00:38:50.000 I even said, thank the baby Jesus.

00:38:52.000 I blasted out too. 0.99

00:38:53.000 I screenshotted to you and went, holy shit, it's going down. 0.99

00:38:56.000 That's a great fight. 0.99

00:38:57.000 That's a great fight.

00:38:58.000 If it happens.

00:38:59.000 Our boy who fought Errol Spence, I was just with, fights at Wildcard West.

00:39:04.000 Why am I forgetting?

00:39:05.000 I'm getting old.

00:39:06.000 Oh, Chris Van Halden.

00:39:07.000 Chris Van Halden was showing me, like, he's a boxer, a quality boxer, been around forever and fought Errol Spence but got beat.

00:39:13.000 But, you know, a high-level boxer.

00:39:17.000 And he was showing me, he was just showing me, like, I said, why is Errol Spence so good?

00:39:22.000 Because I know he's great, but he looks, like, basic.

00:39:26.000 Like, he does, like, jab, one, two.

00:39:29.000 So for my eye, as not a very sophisticated guy, I can't see what's making him so good.

00:39:33.000 Right?

00:39:34.000 And he was showing me, it was really yesterday, he was just showing me how, like, he was able to measure his jab.

00:39:42.000 So Chris would throw a jab, and he goes, watch, and I'd throw a jab, and he goes, and he would move back just, like, his ability to move back just, just enough.

00:39:50.000 So some guys will move back just a little bit too much, and they'll move back a little bit, and then they throw.

00:39:54.000 So their measurement of distance is just a little off, and you have time to compensate.

00:39:57.000 His ability to move back the precise amount so that you don't have time to react because he comes back, boom, and hits you again.

00:40:04.000 So every time you throw, he would make it so his ability to sort of be just out of reach was better than anybody he had fought before. 0.99

00:40:11.000 Well, no one's better that shit than Lomachenko. 0.99

00:40:13.000 Correct. 1.00

00:40:14.000 But also, to that point, Billy Joe Saunders was like, Eubanks Jr. what?

00:40:18.000 And then beat the brakes off of him.

00:40:19.000 Did you see Billy Joe Saunders?

00:40:20.000 Against Lemieux?

00:40:22.000 Who's going to beat him?

00:40:23.000 He's amazing.

00:40:24.000 He might be able to beat Triple G. He's amazing. 1.00

00:40:26.000 Dude, he's ridiculous. 1.00

00:40:28.000 His fucking jab is a fave of beauty. 1.00

00:40:30.000 The best, right? 1.00

00:40:31.000 He would just play. 0.99

00:40:32.000 Plop that sucker in there, pop, and then it'd be left, right. 0.99

00:40:34.000 Here we go. 0.99

00:40:36.000 World title fight.

00:40:38.000 Homeboy misses with a huge swing in right hand.

00:40:41.000 He goes like this into the stands like he misses it.

00:40:44.000 Just puts on the brakes.

00:40:46.000 Billy Joe looks like as if, who are you trying to hit?

00:40:48.000 Is Saunders from Wales?

00:40:50.000 He's a gypsy. 1.00

00:40:51.000 He's a gypsy, but he's from the UK. Are you allowed to say gypsy? 1.00

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:55.000 Traveler.

00:40:56.000 For now, traveler.

00:40:57.000 You gotta be careful.

00:40:57.000 I called Fury a gypsy and a legit traveler came up to the show and was like, traveler, quit calling us gypsies.

00:41:04.000 Yeah, they don't like it.

00:41:06.000 But people say it all the time.

00:41:07.000 Sorry, I can't keep up.

00:41:08.000 But they were saying it on HBO. I don't mean anything bad.

00:41:10.000 Yeah, you do.

00:41:11.000 You're a cisgender, white, privileged piece of shit. 1.00

00:41:14.000 I'm against gypsies. 1.00

00:41:14.000 You're a fucking monster. 1.00

00:41:15.000 I hope Fury comes back. 1.00

00:41:17.000 He's one of my favorites.

00:41:17.000 He's a fun guy.

00:41:18.000 Billy Joe Saunders, though, if you don't know, look him up, man.

00:41:20.000 Boxing needs that guy. 0.99

00:41:21.000 The David Lemieux fight on HBO was a goddamn work of art. 0.99

00:41:24.000 It was a goddamn work of art. 0.99

00:41:25.000 And now he's campaigned for Triple G. And Billy Joe Saunders, Lemieux, I mean, Billy Joe Saunders versus Canelo. 0.99

00:41:31.000 He's so much bigger than Canelo.

00:41:32.000 No one wants to fight Billy Joe Saunders right now, man.

00:41:35.000 But he's got to get a bigger name.

00:41:37.000 Saunders' highlight reel is crazy. 0.99

00:41:38.000 He's got to get that Canelo money, that fucking Corona cash. 0.99

00:41:41.000 Dude, if Triple G and Canelo don't figure it out, Billy Joe Saunders is getting one of them. 0.99

00:41:45.000 I hope so.

00:41:45.000 They have to.

00:41:46.000 Jamie, bring up Billy Joe Saunders' highlight reel.

00:41:47.000 I don't think enough people know who he is, though.

00:41:50.000 You know who he is.

00:41:51.000 I know who he is.

00:41:51.000 And I think the world was introduced to him at that last HBO card.

00:41:54.000 Do you know who Lemieux is, though?

00:41:55.000 Yeah, I do.

00:41:56.000 Does the world?

00:41:56.000 I do, because I saw him fight Triple G. Triple G fought him, though.

00:41:58.000 Yeah, but in Montreal, he's huge.

00:41:59.000 And they were fighting in Montreal.

00:42:00.000 That's true.

00:42:01.000 But see, Billy Joe, this was his first fight in America.

00:42:03.000 All of his fights have been in Europe.

00:42:05.000 But he's been a guy Caleb watched a lot because he's so...

00:42:08.000 Not really.

00:42:09.000 Not over here.

00:42:09.000 No, I'm saying he's flashy.

00:42:11.000 Isn't he kind of like really... 1.00

00:42:12.000 Well, he's fucking smart, man. 1.00

00:42:14.000 He has a mouth on him. 0.99

00:42:15.000 You know what I love?

00:42:15.000 He's a guy who can root for.

00:42:18.000 Jim Lampley and Roy Jones Jr. had a little disagreement in the commentary.

00:42:21.000 Jim Lampley was like, well, if he's this far ahead, why does he not try to knock him out?

00:42:25.000 Roy Jones was like, why would he?

00:42:27.000 Do you see what he's doing?

00:42:28.000 He's boxing his face off.

00:42:30.000 He's like, well, you have the added humiliation that you do to your opponent when you knock him out.

00:42:34.000 Like, stay in your lane, Jim Lampley.

00:42:37.000 Jim! 1.00

00:42:38.000 Stay in your fucking lane. 1.00

00:42:40.000 Stay in your fucking lane. 1.00

00:42:42.000 It was embarrassing. 1.00

00:42:43.000 It was embarrassing to listen to him.

00:42:44.000 Like, ooh, you just said that to Roy Jones Jr.?

00:42:46.000 You're talking about what? 0.97

00:42:47.000 One of the greatest knockout artists in the history of the fucking sport, and you're telling him why someone should... 0.98

00:42:52.000 You don't just knock someone out. 0.99

00:42:54.000 You have to put yourself in danger to knock someone out, and you could wind up losing against a fucking power puncher like Lemieux. 0.99

00:43:00.000 It's not a smart thing. 0.99

00:43:00.000 Biggest fight of your life in boxing. 0.99

00:43:01.000 You lose that fight, everything's shot.

00:43:04.000 The Canelo, Triple G fight's gone if you lose that fight.

00:43:06.000 He's fighting a beautiful pattern.

00:43:08.000 For him to alter that pattern to get a specific result, that's not smart, and it's not boxing.

00:43:14.000 That's not what you're supposed to do. 0.96

00:43:15.000 It's also silly.

00:43:15.000 Yeah, here's his highlight reel when you see him move around.

00:43:19.000 And he's so interesting with his right jab, too.

00:43:22.000 He throws punches and then he's like, whoops, not here anymore, dude.

00:43:25.000 Look at that.

00:43:26.000 Dude, the Lemieux fight, if you can get that, was one of the best fights because Lemieux is a legit world contender.

00:43:31.000 The thing with Billy Joe Saunders, his highlights, they do him justice somewhat, but he always steps up to the level of competition.

00:43:38.000 So you might watch him against a guy like, hey, he looks alright. 0.98

00:43:40.000 But then when he, Chris Eubanks Jr., you look at him against Lemieux, you're like, holy fuck, this guy's world class. 0.94

00:43:46.000 Yeah, here's Saunders against Eubanks Jr. He will fight to whoever his level's at. 0.97

00:43:50.000 That's why I think, and he's big too for the weight class, so a Triple G or Canelo, you gotta fight on your head. 0.98

00:43:56.000 He's big and he's so fucking smart, man. 0.94

00:43:58.000 The big thing is how smart he is. 0.97

00:44:00.000 I mean, his ring IQ and his ability to not get hit is so exceptional.

00:44:05.000 He steps just back.

00:44:06.000 And look how he changes it up.

00:44:07.000 He goes to the head, he goes to the body.

00:44:10.000 He's an artist, man.

00:44:11.000 A real artist.

00:44:12.000 It's really fun watching him.

00:44:13.000 Beautiful left hand.

00:44:14.000 And he has a personality that boxing needs. 0.99

00:44:17.000 He's fun as fuck. 1.00

00:44:18.000 Talks mad shit. 1.00

00:44:19.000 He told Lemieux he has some extra pants from his son that he can wear because Lemieux's short. 1.00

00:44:23.000 Just kept talking shit to him nonstop. 0.99

00:44:25.000 And he's also best friends with Fury. 1.00

00:44:27.000 So they're like Batman and Robin. 0.99

00:44:30.000 They're fucking hilarious, man. 0.97

00:44:32.000 Yeah, I was surprised that they referred to him as a gypsy on the HBO broadcast. 0.99

00:44:37.000 You're not supposed to.

00:44:37.000 I think that was Jim Lampley, too, though.

00:44:39.000 Jim Lampley's an older fella.

00:44:40.000 I thought gypsy's a cool word, but if you go over to London, they told me not to say that.

00:44:44.000 I heard Roma.

00:44:46.000 Roma is considered derogatory, right?

00:44:50.000 From Rome?

00:44:54.000 Donald Cerrone vs.

00:44:55.000 Yancey Medeiros, UFC Austin.

00:44:57.000 That's a good 170 for Cerrone.

00:44:59.000 Because Yancey is not a giant 170. You know, it's not like a Darren Till.

00:45:02.000 And he's coming over that fight of the year, some people think.

00:45:05.000 That was a crazy fight against Cowboy Oliveira. 0.99

00:45:08.000 Holy shit, what a fight that was. 0.99

00:45:10.000 When is that fight, Austin? 0.99

00:45:11.000 Yancey Medeiros.

00:45:12.000 That's a fight night? 0.89

00:45:12.000 Crazy. 0.89

00:45:13.000 What a fucking performance by Yancey. 1.00

00:45:15.000 February 18th. 1.00

00:45:16.000 Yeah.

00:45:17.000 That's close.

00:45:18.000 That's weird they announced it.

00:45:19.000 Really?

00:45:19.000 That's really close.

00:45:20.000 That's weird they announced it already.

00:45:22.000 That's real close for Yancey from that last fight.

00:45:24.000 Yeah.

00:45:24.000 That fight was a barn burner.

00:45:26.000 And that was only a month ago.

00:45:28.000 That's weird.

00:45:28.000 And not much time to promote either for Austin.

00:45:31.000 Yeah.

00:45:31.000 Well, I don't think you need it for Cowboy and Austin.

00:45:33.000 That motherfucker will sell out quick. 1.00

00:45:34.000 And it's a fight night, so it's not pay-per-view. 0.99

00:45:36.000 It's a good headliner, for sure.

00:45:38.000 Great headliner for a fight night.

00:45:39.000 But for Yancey, I mean, he took a lot of hard shots in that fight.

00:45:43.000 I don't know if that's given him enough time to recover.

00:45:46.000 Doesn't make a lot of sense, but if you're Yancey, you're jumping at the opportunity. 0.99

00:45:49.000 Oh, you hear fucking Jimmy Rivera's off with John Lineker. 0.96

00:45:52.000 Yeah, Lineker got hurt. 0.98

00:45:53.000 And then, do you see Jimmy Rivera, who, to me, is my dark horse in that division.

00:45:58.000 Yeah, me too, man. 1.00

00:45:59.000 He's a fucking monster. 1.00

00:46:00.000 He's a tank. 1.00

00:46:01.000 And then he was trying to get Marais, right?

00:46:04.000 Marlon Marais?

00:46:05.000 Yeah.

00:46:05.000 And then he goes, you said you'd do it at five pounds.

00:46:08.000 I'll give you five pounds.

00:46:09.000 The team said no.

00:46:10.000 Marais said no.

00:46:11.000 And then he goes, I'll give you ten pounds.

00:46:13.000 I just want to fight.

00:46:13.000 Might not be in shape.

00:46:14.000 They still went no.

00:46:15.000 Marlon might not be in shape.

00:46:16.000 But he came at him.

00:46:17.000 He came at him. 0.99

00:46:18.000 And Jimmy's like, yeah, let's fucking do it. 0.98

00:46:20.000 Well, Marley just fought really recently. 0.99

00:46:22.000 Spectacular knockout.

00:46:24.000 Didn't get touched.

00:46:25.000 Against Aljamain Sterling.

00:46:26.000 And he's in that position where he's climbing the ladder too.

00:46:30.000 And to take a short notice fight, Mark Henry's very wise in that regard.

00:46:35.000 Top three coaches in the world.

00:46:37.000 I agree.

00:46:37.000 You can beat this guy, but do you beat this guy this way?

00:46:41.000 Maybe.

00:46:41.000 But do you beat this guy when you have a long training camp?

00:46:44.000 Much better odds, and that's the way to do it to really show who you really are.

00:46:47.000 I agree 100%.

00:46:48.000 I wouldn't have done it.

00:46:49.000 If I'm Mark Henry, I'm telling my fighter not to do it.

00:46:51.000 It's a pro sport, man.

00:46:52.000 It's a pro sport.

00:46:53.000 You have to weigh these short-term opportunities like Michael Bisping got when he stepped up to fight Luke Rockhold.

00:46:58.000 You've got to weigh those. 0.86

00:46:59.000 Because, look, Bisping, it fucking paid off, and it paid off in spades, right? 0.60

00:47:04.000 He KOs Rockhold, he becomes a middleweight champion of the world, fulfills a lifetime dream, all in 11 days notice. 1.00

00:47:10.000 The fucking man has cast-iron bowling balls hanging from his dick. 1.00

00:47:14.000 You can't deny that about Michael Bisping. 1.00

00:47:17.000 But then, the same thing, the same mentality bites him in the ass, and he goes and fights Kelvin Gastelum just a few days after fighting a fucking crazy fight with George St. Pierre, and he doesn't look good. 0.99

00:47:28.000 He looked horrible. 0.99

00:47:28.000 Then look at Machida. 0.99

00:47:30.000 He just got starched and now he's headlining in where the fuck they are. 0.99

00:47:33.000 Did Gagistan or where the fuck it is? 0.99

00:47:35.000 Well, he not only got starched, he got starched and then he tested positive. 0.99

00:47:39.000 Machida's last fight?

00:47:40.000 Machida tested positive for something.

00:47:42.000 No.

00:47:42.000 His last fight?

00:47:44.000 Machida was suspended for something.

00:47:47.000 Previous.

00:47:48.000 Was it before Derrick Brunson?

00:47:49.000 Yeah, before Brunson.

00:47:50.000 Then he had two years off, and then he fought Derrick Brunson.

00:47:53.000 That's crazy. 0.81

00:47:55.000 Then he fought Derrick Brunson, got starched, and they're like, hey, we need a main event for where the fuck it is, Poland or whatever. 0.96

00:48:00.000 And then he originally said no, and then I heard he was talked into it.

00:48:05.000 Who's he fighting?

00:48:07.000 Machida.

00:48:09.000 God, who's he fighting?

00:48:10.000 Jamie cannot be fast enough here.

00:48:12.000 There's no way.

00:48:12.000 He could do both things.

00:48:13.000 We need to hire another dude. 0.99

00:48:14.000 Come on, man.

00:48:15.000 Give him a chance.

00:48:17.000 While he's doing that...

00:48:18.000 He might be the fastest one-handed typer in the world. 0.74

00:48:20.000 He's a beast, man. 1.00

00:48:22.000 One hand working the fucking TriCaster. 1.00

00:48:24.000 One hand working the... 1.00

00:48:25.000 Jamie was a high school basketball player.

00:48:26.000 Probably would have gone D2, T3. It's Anders.

00:48:29.000 What?

00:48:30.000 Anders.

00:48:30.000 Does that sound right?

00:48:31.000 You want to see something disturbing?

00:48:33.000 There's evidence of Jamie's basketball playing online.

00:48:37.000 Anders.

00:48:39.000 Who's Anders?

00:48:40.000 Which Anders? 0.99

00:48:41.000 Sounds jerk. 0.99

00:48:42.000 It's in Brazil. 0.99

00:48:43.000 What's the gentleman's name?

00:48:44.000 Eric Anders.

00:48:45.000 Eric Anders.

00:48:45.000 It's in Brazil.

00:48:46.000 But he just got starched and he's taking this one.

00:48:48.000 Well, he could sell a lot of tickets in Brazil.

00:48:51.000 No, I get that.

00:48:52.000 I get all that.

00:48:53.000 Jamie's got legitimate three-point skills.

00:48:54.000 I watched that video of you just hitting threes.

00:48:57.000 You need to watch this.

00:48:59.000 After this, I was like, hmm, Jamie might be on the spectrum.

00:49:02.000 I was watching this.

00:49:03.000 I was watching.

00:49:03.000 I'm like, he might be like a little Rain Man-ish with his ability.

00:49:07.000 It was so impressive.

00:49:08.000 He played basketball.

00:49:09.000 It was so impressive.

00:49:09.000 We were talking about it.

00:49:10.000 He might be like in a hypnotic state.

00:49:11.000 He's been playing.

00:49:12.000 He was in the zone.

00:49:13.000 It's called the zone, yeah.

00:49:14.000 Dude, it's called The Zone, bro.

00:49:15.000 I think he's in there all day.

00:49:17.000 I think you could get Jamie to do that all day.

00:49:20.000 Bro, you have so much room.

00:49:20.000 Let's put up a basketball court.

00:49:22.000 Half court.

00:49:22.000 That's not really for me.

00:49:24.000 But watch this. 0.65

00:49:25.000 Jamie plays a lot of balls.

00:49:26.000 He's playing his whole life.

00:49:27.000 But watch these shots.

00:49:27.000 Seriously.

00:49:29.000 Swish.

00:49:29.000 Look at that.

00:49:30.000 Here comes another ball.

00:49:31.000 Watch this.

00:49:32.000 Look like a young J.J. Reddick, sir!

00:49:34.000 Do you understand how hard this is to do for a guy who is essentially...

00:49:38.000 One mess.

00:49:39.000 One just a slight mess.

00:49:40.000 Look at that swish. 1.00

00:49:41.000 I mean, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:49:43.000 Jamie, are you a Rain Man character? 0.99

00:49:46.000 What's going on?

00:49:46.000 How are you able to do this?

00:49:48.000 How dare you?

00:49:50.000 Hashtag raindrops.

00:49:52.000 Raindrops?

00:49:53.000 Hashtag white chocolate.

00:49:54.000 Good technique.

00:49:56.000 Hashtag raindrops.

00:49:57.000 That's hilarious.

00:49:59.000 That is hilarious.

00:50:01.000 Jamie's got real skill.

00:50:02.000 Yeah, he does.

00:50:03.000 Well, those guys that are super calm and measured and level, we're always the scariest guys to play pool with.

00:50:10.000 Because guys like Jamie were always the guys that didn't get too high and they didn't get low.

00:50:14.000 They're just like, boo!

00:50:16.000 And then they figured out how to get into that zone and they'd be terrified.

00:50:19.000 It's on.

00:50:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:20.000 I mean, I saw that three points, those shots you're making.

00:50:23.000 I was like, okay.

00:50:24.000 Jamie's got that weird gear.

00:50:26.000 He's got that weird mental gear.

00:50:28.000 He taps into the zone.

00:50:29.000 I did a movie with a guy like that.

00:50:30.000 Hey, who's the pool player we met?

00:50:32.000 The girl, the Texas Tornado.

00:50:35.000 Yeah, I talked to her about you.

00:50:35.000 Oh, Vivian Villarreal.

00:50:37.000 Yeah, she's badass, man. 1.00

00:50:38.000 She's a badass. 1.00

00:50:39.000 She's a badass pool player. 1.00

00:50:40.000 She's a badass. 1.00

00:50:41.000 She'll make you feel very uncomfortable with your manhood. 0.99

00:50:43.000 There's something about losing to a chick in pool. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Really?

00:50:46.000 In pool?

00:50:46.000 Yeah, something about it, man.

00:50:47.000 Pool's a man's game. 0.93

00:50:48.000 It's a manly game. 1.00

00:50:48.000 I wouldn't give a fuck. 1.00

00:50:49.000 In pool? 1.00

00:50:50.000 Really?

00:50:50.000 You say that, but if you play pool, you would.

00:50:52.000 You say that.

00:50:53.000 Because it's about...

00:50:54.000 This is what it's about.

00:50:56.000 It's about keeping your nerves together under pressure.

00:50:58.000 So when a woman is better at keeping her nerves together under pressure, guys bobble shots and miss nine balls, and you're like...

00:51:04.000 There's some people that are just built for games.

00:51:06.000 I did a movie with a guy who was just...

00:51:08.000 I played chess with him.

00:51:12.000 I used to play with my dad and stuff.

00:51:13.000 He's beating me so quickly.

00:51:15.000 And I was like, why are you so good?

00:51:18.000 And he goes, I've just been playing.

00:51:20.000 I go, all right.

00:51:21.000 I go, have you read books on chess?

00:51:22.000 He goes, of course.

00:51:25.000 I went, oh.

00:51:26.000 Well, it's his thing, though.

00:51:27.000 That's his language.

00:51:28.000 No, it's not.

00:51:28.000 Then I played pool.

00:51:29.000 He beat everybody at pool.

00:51:30.000 Then we played ping pong.

00:51:31.000 He beat everybody at pool.

00:51:32.000 Oh, he's a game guy.

00:51:33.000 He's one of those guys who's just good at everything.

00:51:35.000 He's got game theory.

00:51:36.000 Like, he noticed with ping pong, I pride myself on my ping pong.

00:51:39.000 I'm not good, but I think I am, and I'll talk a big game. 0.97

00:51:41.000 He noticed that my fucking, that my backhand over here is a little suspect. 0.97

00:51:47.000 So, of course, he just saw a hole in my game. 0.99

00:51:49.000 Those people who can see a hole, they're strategic.

00:51:51.000 Sounds like he plays a lot of games. 1.00

00:51:53.000 He's got a fucking hole in his game. 1.00

00:51:54.000 But that, get that. 1.00

00:51:55.000 He's playing a lot of games.

00:51:56.000 Does he get laid?

00:51:57.000 If I saw a hole in your game, I'm not going to do that because I want to play the game.

00:52:00.000 What?

00:52:01.000 Really?

00:52:01.000 Yeah, he got laid.

00:52:02.000 And he makes a lot of money as a voiceover artist.

00:52:03.000 Hold on.

00:52:04.000 Wait a minute.

00:52:04.000 You wouldn't try to win?

00:52:06.000 I don't know.

00:52:06.000 Depending.

00:52:07.000 I don't give a fuck about winning. 1.00

00:52:08.000 I don't give a fuck about beating you. 0.99

00:52:10.000 If you find out the guys get a shitty half guard, you tell them you don't go towards this half guard all the time? 1.00

00:52:13.000 When I street fight, yes.

00:52:14.000 Honestly, when I street fight, I'm not going into his half guard.

00:52:17.000 I gotta pee.

00:52:18.000 I gotta pee, too.

00:52:20.000 Let me secure your hips, at least. 1.00

00:52:22.000 Let me go.

00:52:24.000 You talk about street fighting when I come back. 1.00

00:52:26.000 Pee out of your medium-sized dick. 1.00

00:52:28.000 You talk about street fighting when I come back. 1.00

00:52:29.000 Don't fucking... 1.00

00:52:30.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:52:30.000 Don't talk about street fighting with me, dude. 1.00

00:52:32.000 I take it very seriously. 1.00

00:52:33.000 I'm boxing with Wayne and your friends, and then when I come back, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:52:36.000 Don't fucking... 1.00

00:52:36.000 I'm a boxer, and I wrestle. 1.00

00:52:37.000 Do you think you get hit too much in the head as an older guy?

00:52:40.000 No.

00:52:40.000 Powerlifting?

00:52:41.000 No.

00:52:41.000 Did you see that new thing where they said that they trained AI to play chess?

00:52:46.000 There's a new AI program, and not only did it beat some world chess master, I just tweeted it. 0.99

00:52:53.000 See if you can pull that shit up. 0.98

00:52:55.000 By the way, it is from the Daily Mail, which you gotta go, hmm. 0.99

00:52:58.000 They might be exaggerating a little bit.

00:53:00.000 But it said that this chess computer had invented a series of moves that no one had ever seen before.

00:53:06.000 Good God.

00:53:06.000 So it's being creative.

00:53:09.000 It did a move.

00:53:10.000 It did like a pattern that no one had seen before.

00:53:12.000 So it's figuring out how to play on the job.

00:53:15.000 There's this whole movement now.

00:53:17.000 People are writing books on how to deal with a second smart machine agent.

00:53:20.000 In four hours, a robot taught itself chess, then beat a grandmaster with moves never devised in the game's 1,500-year history, and the implications are terrifying.

00:53:28.000 I believe it.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:53:31.000 And so what that... 1.00

00:53:32.000 Fuck that. 0.99

00:53:32.000 The more terrifying thing besides is the fact that massive, massive sections of our job markets are going away. 0.99

00:53:40.000 Yeah, look at what it says here.

00:53:41.000 So what do we do?

00:53:41.000 Oxford academic.

00:53:43.000 AI could go rogue and become too complex for engineers.

00:53:47.000 Yeah.

00:53:50.000 Oh my god.

00:53:51.000 Oh my god.

00:53:52.000 That is it.

00:53:53.000 Hey, what are your thoughts on net neutrality?

00:53:56.000 Because I was talking to people online today about net neutrality.

00:54:00.000 I posted something about it that it seems to me to be one of those ideological camp issues where if you are leaning right, you think that net neutrality is a bad thing that the market should decide.

00:54:10.000 If you're leaning left, you think that there's some regulation that the government should step in and be important because you want to keep people from information.

00:54:18.000 You don't want a big Any corporation be able to step in and say someone can or can't have their program on AT&T or Verizon?

00:54:27.000 I think that from what I've read there are six major service providers, maybe a couple more.

00:54:34.000 That already smells a little bit like a monopoly, but what I think is this.

00:54:40.000 First of all, nobody really knows yet, but I think that the bigger issue becomes if these companies provide you service in your area.

00:54:52.000 Right.

00:54:54.000 They could decide, you want regular service or do you want premium?

00:54:58.000 If you want premium, we're going to pay a little more.

00:55:00.000 That's one thing.

00:55:01.000 They could break it up.

00:55:02.000 If that's the case, we'll let the market decide.

00:55:05.000 Maybe that creates an opening for another service provider to come in and say, we don't do that.

00:55:11.000 One price covers everything.

00:55:13.000 One of the guys on my Instagram, or my Twitter rather, had a really good point.

00:55:16.000 He said the real issue that people aren't talking about is the monopolies that these companies have in small areas.

00:55:22.000 Like if you're in a certain town, you can only get this kind of company, or Verizon, or AT&T. That's what I'm saying.

00:55:27.000 Yeah, and that when you have a company that owns a certain town and then, you know, in certain areas is the only way you can get coverage is you have to do with this one company.

00:55:35.000 Then it becomes a real issue.

00:55:36.000 And not only does it become an issue, but the other issue is that the real question is if you are a service provider and you provide people in this area that service.

00:55:48.000 If you use platforms that the other service provides and they compete directly with this, would this service block that?

00:55:56.000 Would this service have an incentive to block your access to it or whatever?

00:56:01.000 And that would be an issue.

00:56:02.000 But my feeling is that we'll find out very quickly.

00:56:06.000 And as long as consumers have the ability to go over to another provider, as long as consumers have the ability to go, I don't like the way you do business, I want these guys.

00:56:16.000 But they don't in a lot of areas.

00:56:18.000 That becomes the issue.

00:56:19.000 They don't have access to any other options.

00:56:20.000 Time will tell you they have a license.

00:56:21.000 They have a license in a certain district.

00:56:24.000 Consumer backlash is how you fight that. 1.00

00:56:26.000 If there's enough consumer backlash and people go, this is bullshit. 0.87

00:56:29.000 Or you just keep net neutrality in place and prevent it, you know?

00:56:33.000 I'm going to have some experts on to talk about it soon in the future.

00:56:37.000 I'm going over all the data and information, but I just wanted to get people's temperature.

00:56:41.000 And it's so funny how people get so aggressive and shitty with you when you just talk about this issue.

00:56:47.000 A few people that I had a mute, I was like, good luck, dude. 0.99

00:56:51.000 Your opinion means shit to me because you just have to be insulting when someone's just asking a question. 0.94

00:56:55.000 You know, this whole thing is interesting, because there's smart people on both sides of it, and they have compelling arguments on both sides of it. 0.99

00:57:02.000 And I don't have an opinion 100%.

00:57:04.000 A lot of people don't yet know how this is going to play out.

00:57:10.000 What were you going to say, though?

00:57:12.000 You lean towards what?

00:57:13.000 I lean towards the idea that you have to have some oversight.

00:57:18.000 That you have to have someone who's looking out who makes sure that these companies can't fuck you over and can't prevent you from having access to certain information in certain sites.

00:57:27.000 I lean towards that most.

00:57:29.000 But the other question is, though, does the market decide that?

00:57:33.000 I was going to say.

00:57:34.000 The other oversight could be, I always lean toward the idea that the marketplace would be your oversight.

00:57:40.000 Let people make their choice, but they have to have a choice.

00:57:43.000 And as you were talking about, there are very few service providers.

00:57:46.000 My question is, is there incentive for other people to come into the service providing space?

00:57:51.000 Can they make money? 0.50

00:57:53.000 What are the barriers to entry as far as that's concerned?

00:57:55.000 To compete with the big dogs?

00:57:56.000 Right.

00:57:56.000 No.

00:57:56.000 And secondly, is it in these service providers' interest ultimately to make extra cash for such bad press?

00:58:05.000 You may see nothing happen as a result, but I like the idea that the marketplace, that consumers have a choice.

00:58:12.000 And when consumers have a choice, they're going to go with what works the best for them.

00:58:16.000 I do too, but I do believe that it's entirely possible that large corporations could have Monopoly?

00:58:22.000 Real influence over the way our culture has access to information.

00:58:26.000 I think that should be stopped. 1.00

00:58:28.000 But I also think that these fucking government organizations almost all suck. 1.00

00:58:32.000 They're all filled with unmotivated people who suck at their job and the bureaucracy and the fucking red tape gets deeper and thicker. 1.00

00:58:40.000 I think almost every government organization that does any task is flawed. 0.99

00:58:45.000 So the idea that we should have government take care of these issues, I have a problem with that too.

00:58:50.000 I see both sides of it.

00:58:51.000 I see this side, too.

00:58:52.000 There's another dark side of the marketplace, though.

00:58:55.000 I think the news nowadays makes a lot of money on clickbait. 0.97

00:59:00.000 And so you now have companies, whether it's the Huffington Post or CNN or whatever, who are less interested, it seems, in objective reporting of the news and way more interested in generating Did you see the fucking Newsweek title that they put out about Trump and the Nazis, like, stealing Christmas? 0.95

00:59:21.000 Did you see that? 0.98

00:59:22.000 There you go.

00:59:23.000 That's a classic example.

00:59:24.000 See if you can find it.

00:59:24.000 What is that?

00:59:25.000 I'm already intrigued, you know?

00:59:27.000 That's the world we live in.

00:59:28.000 It's such a clickbait thing.

00:59:31.000 Infotainment.

00:59:32.000 And that's a tragedy.

00:59:34.000 Which you would always say...

00:59:36.000 They have to compete?

00:59:37.000 They have to compete.

00:59:38.000 That's what it is.

00:59:39.000 They have to compete?

00:59:39.000 But you'd always think they're measured, they're intelligent.

00:59:42.000 This is Newsweek.

00:59:42.000 They're one of the most respected...

00:59:44.000 They have to adapt.

00:59:45.000 When Chris Rock was working on a bit...

00:59:47.000 How Trump and the Nazis stole Christmas to promote white nationalism. 0.59

00:59:51.000 There you go. 0.60

00:59:51.000 Jesus Christ. 0.60

00:59:53.000 Fucking slow down. 1.00

00:59:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:54.000 There you go. 1.00

00:59:55.000 That's fair. 1.00

00:59:56.000 You're going to get Caitlyn Jenner elected president if you keep this shit up. 1.00

01:00:00.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:00:00.000 You have to understand what's happening here. 1.00

01:00:02.000 People are going to go nuts.

01:00:03.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:00:06.000 According to some polls, the media's approval rating is in the single digits, and I think they deserve it.

01:00:11.000 I really do.

01:00:14.000 I'm not nearly as cynical as a lot of people, but as I get older and I see how irresponsible a lot of the news is, how much money there is to be made by just hinting or associating somebody's name with something Kind of volatile.

01:00:30.000 Sure.

01:00:30.000 And you get to sell that story.

01:00:33.000 But isn't that the product of their environment?

01:00:35.000 They're dealing with what gets a response and what gets clicks.

01:00:38.000 It's a good question.

01:00:39.000 So our societies are the ones who are telling them to do this. 0.99

01:00:42.000 They're not just making this shit up. 0.99

01:00:43.000 That's right. 1.00

01:00:43.000 They're like, well, if we say Trump and the Nazis stole Christmas, how many clicks are we going to get? 1.00

01:00:48.000 See, but what they're doing is they're being disingenuous.

01:00:51.000 Hold on.

01:00:51.000 They're being disingenuous here in this article.

01:00:53.000 Scroll up a little bit.

01:00:55.000 Because here's one of the things it says.

01:00:56.000 It says, Donald Trump wants America to think he reinvented Christmas.

01:01:01.000 We can say Merry Christmas again, he has said on numerous occasions, both during the campaign and president and presidency.

01:01:06.000 Christmas is back better than ever before.

01:01:08.000 He told supporters a month before the Christmas season.

01:01:10.000 He's just talking.

01:01:11.000 He is doing what a guy who's very persuasive does to try to get people on his camp.

01:01:16.000 He's a falcon politician.

01:01:18.000 He's also got a sense of humor, by the way.

01:01:19.000 But it's not even true.

01:01:20.000 What he's doing here is not even true because he, in the past, did a lot of tweets about happy holidays.

01:01:27.000 People pulled them up.

01:01:28.000 He used to say happy holidays all the time.

01:01:31.000 Really recently was tweeting happy holidays. 0.98

01:01:34.000 And then the idea that Obama never said Merry Christmas is 100% horseshit. 0.91

01:01:38.000 There's a whole video of Obama saying Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas over What's wrong with Merry Christmas? 0.96

01:01:44.000 Nothing wrong with it.

01:01:45.000 This idea is, he's trying to sell people on the idea that your Christian values have been suppressed by this mediocre left-wing government, and he's stepping in here to make America great again.

01:01:55.000 It's all a hustle. 0.90

01:01:56.000 But it's not white nationalists and Nazis. 0.94

01:01:59.000 Like, you can't say Nazis. 0.60

01:02:01.000 The problem is, when you say that, you leave... 0.99

01:02:04.000 The word Nazi loses its fucking meaning. 1.00

01:02:06.000 They're irresponsible journalists. 1.00

01:02:08.000 They're not journalists. 0.99

01:02:09.000 They're irresponsible. 1.00

01:02:10.000 Yeah, what he's doing is he's being a fucking politician. 1.00

01:02:13.000 He's being a weasel. 0.99

01:02:15.000 He's trying to pretend that Christmas was never, we never had Christmas before, we're gonna have Christmas now! 0.78

01:02:20.000 And all the dopes, all the yokels are like, yeah! 0.99

01:02:22.000 Bring him back Christmas, Donald!

01:02:25.000 You know, there's guys out there with Make America Great Again tattoos.

01:02:28.000 You just understand this.

01:02:29.000 This is real.

01:02:30.000 There's people with red hat tattoos that say Make America Great Again on. 1.00

01:02:34.000 There's dummies in every fucking quadrant of this earth. 1.00

01:02:36.000 But, you know, I have to say that the mainstream media, and I know I've never been a fan of Trump, but the way they treat him with this kind of stuff that I constantly hear, this petty shit, the way he drinks water and stuff, It's made me more sympathetic. 0.99

01:02:52.000 He's brought it on himself. 0.96

01:02:53.000 When you drink water like this, I gotta talk to you.

01:02:58.000 He's a strange guy.

01:03:02.000 When you drink 12 Diet Cokes, it might be true or I don't believe it.

01:03:06.000 I don't know what to believe anymore.

01:03:08.000 That's the other problem.

01:03:09.000 Because he tells a lot of lies too, though.

01:03:11.000 A series of quotes from him from back in the day saying, why would you drink Diet Coke?

01:03:15.000 You drink Diet Coke, people who drink Diet Coke are also all fat.

01:03:17.000 Diet Coke makes you fat.

01:03:18.000 It's been proven.

01:03:19.000 There's a whole series of tweets.

01:03:20.000 He might have just forgot he made those tweets.

01:03:22.000 Well, he shredded. 0.99

01:03:23.000 He just doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:03:24.000 Shredded. 1.00

01:03:24.000 Jack. 1.00

01:03:24.000 He's in great shape. 1.00

01:03:25.000 Yeah.

01:03:25.000 But I think that, you know...

01:03:27.000 First of all, he as a president, here's a weird one.

01:03:30.000 There was a terror attack that was thwarted by the FBI in San Francisco. 0.99

01:03:34.000 You didn't hear a goddamn peep about it because he's against the FBI because of all this investigation shit. 0.99

01:03:39.000 So the president in the United States didn't congratulate the FBI, didn't tell the American people that the FBI has done a great job. 0.99

01:03:47.000 Have you heard about this?

01:03:48.000 I know about the terrorist attack.

01:03:49.000 I read that.

01:03:50.000 The FBI thwarted a legitimate terrorist attack.

01:03:52.000 And this is all this whole Make America Great Again stuff, right?

01:03:55.000 You want to stop the terrorists.

01:03:57.000 As a political point, he avoided this.

01:04:00.000 How crazy is that?

01:04:01.000 It's terrible.

01:04:02.000 He holds a grudge.

01:04:03.000 FBI arrest man suspected of plotting ISIS-inspired Christmas terror attack in San Francisco.

01:04:08.000 He was an American Marine.

01:04:09.000 He was an American Marine. 0.59

01:04:10.000 He was a Marine who started going crazy.

01:04:13.000 Yeah.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, well, it's just very, it's very crazy.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, and how about he started to, he started to like ISIS posts on Facebook, and then he reached out to ISIS and went, hey, looking to complete this mission, how do I get a hold of the guns and bullets?

01:04:30.000 And ISIS was like, homeboy, if you have to ask for the gear, it might not be for you. 0.99

01:04:34.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:04:35.000 Like, they're dumb? 1.00

01:04:36.000 They're like, meet us on the dock. 1.00

01:04:38.000 Yeah! 1.00

01:04:38.000 I was just like, hey asshole, get out of here, man. 1.00

01:04:41.000 Have our flag on your truck as you pull up. 1.00

01:04:44.000 Make it super obvious.

01:04:46.000 Every time I've been to Pier 39, I've been there, every time I go to San Francisco, I always think that.

01:04:50.000 I'm always like, I don't think like that.

01:04:52.000 A lot of people, though, have been making this comment on why did the president not discuss this?

01:04:56.000 This is something that when you address the nation, you have to talk about it.

01:05:00.000 And even if he's in some sort of a squabble with one aspect of the FBI, you have to recognize that they did their job here.

01:05:06.000 This is why they're important.

01:05:10.000 They literally protected American lives and he's not mentioning it. 1.00

01:05:14.000 So this petty bullshit that they do when they're saying things like how Trump stole Christmas with white nationalists and Nazis, that kind of petty shit enforces his petty shit. 1.00

01:05:24.000 Gets in the way of real news. 1.00

01:05:26.000 And they go at each other back and forth and nothing gets done. 0.97

01:05:30.000 Someone needs to grow the fuck up and it should be the president. 0.98

01:05:33.000 But Newsweek needs to grow the fuck up too. 0.97

01:05:35.000 You can't say things like that. 0.99

01:05:36.000 That's silly. 0.86

01:05:38.000 We should be able to rely on the mainstream news.

01:05:41.000 And I know I'm going to get a lot of emails about the mainstream news.

01:05:44.000 Eddie Bravo was calling you right now.

01:05:45.000 We should rely on them to at least report the facts.

01:05:50.000 At least objective facts.

01:05:51.000 That was the whole point of journalism.

01:05:53.000 They were the fourth estate.

01:05:54.000 They keep power in line.

01:05:56.000 They speak truth to power.

01:05:58.000 That's the whole idea in a democracy.

01:06:00.000 You need a free press.

01:06:02.000 But now, with money, ratings, it has corrupted. 0.99

01:06:06.000 Well, there's also the fucking internet, man. 0.97

01:06:10.000 The internet came along and pretty much anybody can be a news source now. 0.99

01:06:13.000 Anybody can be a hashtag journalist. 0.99

01:06:15.000 There's a lot of fucking... 0.99

01:06:16.000 Change the game up. 0.99

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:18.000 Change the game up.

01:06:19.000 Credentials are different.

01:06:20.000 Spread rumors.

01:06:21.000 Wikipedia pages.

01:06:22.000 I was saying this the other day.

01:06:23.000 I remember writing something about this, but like the idea that you in social media, if you... 0.98

01:06:29.000 We all have moments where we do some crazy shit, where we say stuff out loud that's politically incorrect, or we just behave in a way that could make you crazy, right? 0.98

01:06:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:06:40.000 Like, my dog ran into my knee the other day. 1.00

01:06:42.000 I was like, ah, fuck, it hurt. 0.99

01:06:44.000 And I instinctively kicked at her. 1.00

01:06:46.000 I was just like, fucking... 1.00

01:06:47.000 And I kicked. 1.00

01:06:47.000 And I missed her. 1.00

01:06:49.000 But, dude, it looked like I tried to kick my fucking dog in the ribs. 1.00

01:06:52.000 Because, by the way, in that split second, I was trying to kick my dog, who I love very much, in the ribs. 1.00

01:06:57.000 She hit my knee. 1.00

01:06:58.000 I was like, ah!

01:06:58.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with giving your dog a little knee tap.

01:07:01.000 Correct.

01:07:02.000 If somebody caught that on camera...

01:07:03.000 If somebody caught that on camera... 1.00

01:07:06.000 I mean, kick your dog in the ribs. 0.99

01:07:08.000 Listen, I'm just saying. 0.99

01:07:09.000 If somebody caught that on camera, it would have been Brian Callen...

01:07:11.000 If I was famous, they'd be like...

01:07:13.000 Say I was a politician or whatever.

01:07:16.000 I'm done.

01:07:16.000 I'm the dog kicker, right?

01:07:18.000 And you should be.

01:07:19.000 That's a comedic example, but it's true.

01:07:21.000 But I'm saying that nowadays, and I was thinking about this, nowadays, anything that you do, if you're having a moment, if you're having a moment, or you make a mistake...

01:07:29.000 Describe a moment, though, B. I think you've got to be careful with this.

01:07:32.000 Hold on, I'll tell you.

01:07:33.000 You're making a mistake.

01:07:34.000 I don't know.

01:07:34.000 It could be...

01:07:35.000 Give me an example.

01:07:36.000 It could be you got caught...

01:07:39.000 At a strip club, you were making out with a girl behind a dumpster, but you're married, whatever it might be. 1.00

01:07:43.000 There are a lot of examples where everybody's fucking up. 0.99

01:07:45.000 Like my buddy, my buddy... 0.98

01:07:46.000 You're saying like a Kevin Hart situation?

01:07:47.000 He's fine?

01:07:48.000 Hold on.

01:07:49.000 My buddy who owns buildings, he gets sued all the time.

01:07:53.000 And what he does is he'll just hire a private investigator and he just follows the dude.

01:07:58.000 He'll just follow the person.

01:07:59.000 Whoever's suing him.

01:07:59.000 Yeah.

01:08:00.000 And I go, why did he do that?

01:08:01.000 He goes... 0.99

01:08:02.000 Well, because everybody he's ever followed, he goes, everybody is always fucking up in one aspect of their life. 0.97

01:08:10.000 Well, especially someone who's sleazy who tries these illegitimate lawsuits. 1.00

01:08:14.000 And he always finds evidence that they're just, they're doing something.

01:08:18.000 I got a girlfriend, I got a boyfriend, it's always something.

01:08:21.000 But you're fine, B. So let's say in a hypothetical situation, you were cheating on your wife, you came out.

01:08:25.000 Here's the larger point.

01:08:26.000 The larger point is this.

01:08:28.000 I was thinking about how I was taking Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Hemingway, Picasso, and Einstein.

01:08:36.000 All known philanderers, known to cheat on their wives, just known their poor wives, and just real, real ladies' men and beyond.

01:08:48.000 How about Kennedy?

01:08:49.000 Forget that.

01:08:50.000 Everybody wants to keep talking about how Bill Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky.

01:08:54.000 There was a woman who came out who was one of the aides in the White House.

01:08:57.000 I believe she was 19. Kennedy made her suck his dick. 1.00

01:09:01.000 JFK fucked everybody. 1.00

01:09:03.000 And so what I'm saying is that in the days of social media now, we would have dilated on that. 0.99

01:09:10.000 And we would have looked at that.

01:09:11.000 He could have acted like that.

01:09:12.000 Is that what we want to focus on?

01:09:14.000 Because with those men, let's just take those men, they could have been discredited and cut out at the knees depending on when that activity was exposed.

01:09:23.000 Okay, but you're talking about technology.

01:09:24.000 It could have undermined everything they were working for.

01:09:27.000 But hold on.

01:09:27.000 Isn't it possible that we need to have a more realistic understanding of what a human being is?

01:09:33.000 Yes.

01:09:33.000 And then seeing all these flaws in a person and then getting past that is maybe the way to go.

01:09:38.000 Yes, the way the Europeans do. 1.00

01:09:40.000 But our problem is that we're dealing with this old model where everybody was like some fucking Cary Grant dude in a movie. 0.98

01:09:46.000 And, you know, the good guys wore white hats, the bad guys wore black hats. 0.96

01:09:49.000 That's not realistic.

01:09:50.000 That's not realistic.

01:09:51.000 That's American.

01:09:52.000 Our problems...

01:09:54.000 Isn't it an American because it hasn't been exposed and we don't have a new realization of what human beings are?

01:09:59.000 And so isn't all of this excruciating, detailed information that comes out about anybody that's seeking power, isn't it ultimately like a good thing to see like, oh, he's like me. 0.99

01:10:11.000 I know I fuck up. 0.97

01:10:12.000 He's like me. 0.99

01:10:12.000 Oh, that guy's like me too. 0.99

01:10:13.000 So instead of thinking there's some person, some Dalai Lama guy who's going to come save us, the one guy on the planet doesn't have any vices.

01:10:19.000 Yeah.

01:10:20.000 Instead of that, maybe we should have a more honest interpretation of what it means to be a human being. 0.90

01:10:25.000 And compassionate understanding that sometimes we're, you know, Jordan Peterson said something fucking amazing to me.

01:10:30.000 He goes, we're ruled by different gods depending on the moment, time of day. 0.88

01:10:34.000 We're ruled by the god of sex, the god of jealousy, the god of anger, the god of resentment.

01:10:40.000 It just depends on the moment, which is his argument for an overreaching god.

01:10:43.000 But I want my president to be better than me.

01:10:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:10:46.000 I don't want him to have the same vices as me.

01:10:48.000 Yeah, held to the higher standard.

01:10:49.000 They're going to be better than you anyway.

01:10:51.000 Just because they have the same flaws that you have doesn't mean they're not better at you than running the government. 0.99

01:10:55.000 But if he has a drug addiction and he's fucking hookers nonstop on the side, I don't want him running my country. 0.99

01:11:00.000 But he could be the mayor of Toronto, like Rob Ford did a great job while he was the mayor of Toronto smoking crack. 0.99

01:11:05.000 Bill Clinton wasn't bad either.

01:11:07.000 I'm just kidding.

01:11:08.000 Exactly.

01:11:08.000 I just think we need a more nuanced point of view of what human beings are, and I think we've lost it.

01:11:14.000 I think we're very...

01:11:15.000 Americans have to...

01:11:16.000 Don't you think people are being held accountable more, though, B? Like, there's actual, like, bad dudes who are like, ah, fuck, it's There's good and bad. 0.99

01:11:25.000 There's good and bad to this. 0.99

01:11:26.000 I just hope that we come back around with the fact that human beings are complicated, that we're all fucking up, that just because I fuck up in this act doesn't mean I'm a bad person all the way through. 0.64

01:11:36.000 Trevor Noah said something that was interesting. 0.82

01:11:38.000 He said, what I don't understand about Americans is how you can't be both things.

01:11:42.000 Why do you have to be one thing or another?

01:11:43.000 You gotta have a black hat or a white hat.

01:11:45.000 Can you be, is it possible to sympathize with the Black Lives Matter and also be pro-cop?

01:11:51.000 Can you have both?

01:11:53.000 Is that possible?

01:11:54.000 No, we pick teams.

01:11:55.000 We pick teams.

01:11:56.000 Teams in a way.

01:11:56.000 Well, it's very common to pick teams, for sure.

01:11:59.000 So it's an instinct that we have.

01:12:00.000 I think we are getting better at understanding what a human being is.

01:12:04.000 And I think to equate Harvey Weinstein with finding flaws in politicians is very different.

01:12:09.000 I agree.

01:12:09.000 Because what he was doing was essentially...

01:12:12.000 He was a rapist. 1.00

01:12:13.000 Not just that. 1.00

01:12:14.000 He was like...

01:12:15.000 That was part of how he engineered his business.

01:12:18.000 He engineered his business to like... 0.98

01:12:21.000 Feed his sexual harassing and sexual assault appetite. 1.00

01:12:24.000 He's a piece of shit all the way around. 1.00

01:12:26.000 In his fucking contract. 1.00

01:12:28.000 But that's going on, I think, in other corporations, just not in entertainment. 0.99

01:12:32.000 Like that?

01:12:33.000 I think so. 1.00

01:12:34.000 Like the way he did it, where the girls had to fuck him to get parts? 1.00

01:12:36.000 Yeah, I think so. 1.00

01:12:37.000 I think he's an outlier.

01:12:37.000 I think he's a bad man.

01:12:39.000 I don't think so.

01:12:39.000 I think he's an outlier.

01:12:40.000 I don't think so.

01:12:41.000 I think when there comes power and there's pretty girls, I think men are going to abuse that power. 1.00

01:12:47.000 Not always.

01:12:48.000 I'm not saying always.

01:12:49.000 I'm not saying always. 0.99

01:12:50.000 If you think Harvey Weinstein in that position of power is the only guy to do that to that level, you're crazy.

01:12:55.000 No, but B, women are also drawn to power. 1.00

01:12:58.000 I like how you guys call each other B, like your fucking 15-year-old kids in Brooklyn, you dorks. 1.00

01:13:02.000 We're cuties. 1.00

01:13:04.000 Because we're a couple of cuties.

01:13:06.000 See, and I agree, it's scary, but I think it's a witch hunt only for witches, man.

01:13:12.000 It doesn't bother me.

01:13:13.000 No, you can't say that.

01:13:14.000 I'm glad these guys get turned on.

01:13:14.000 No, no, no.

01:13:15.000 You can't say that because a witch hunt is also based on hearsay and accusation and not proof.

01:13:22.000 So you have to have due process.

01:13:23.000 For some.

01:13:24.000 Yes.

01:13:24.000 For some.

01:13:25.000 You have to have due process.

01:13:26.000 We all know that we live now at a time when just accusations can ruin your entire career.

01:13:32.000 Give me an example, B. Whose career has it ruined that wasn't true?

01:13:36.000 I don't know.

01:13:37.000 Garrison Keillor.

01:13:37.000 Garrison Keillor is a good example.

01:13:39.000 Garrison Keillor is the best example.

01:13:40.000 He's a guy like his entire career has been known as this like super nice guy.

01:13:44.000 Consoles some woman, hugs her, his hand goes down her shirt on her back.

01:13:49.000 She pulls back, he apologizes, he sends her a letter apologizing.

01:13:53.000 She accepts it, they stay friends, and then she goes public with it when all this Me Too stuff comes out.

01:13:58.000 And he got fired?

01:13:59.000 Yeah, she didn't just get fired. 0.73

01:14:01.000 They changed the name of his thing. 0.99

01:14:03.000 But Al Franken admitted he did some shit that he shouldn't have done and grabbed some butts. 0.99

01:14:09.000 Al's almost a better point. 0.99

01:14:11.000 I think Al, I don't think he's a bad guy.

01:14:13.000 I don't think he's a bad guy either.

01:14:14.000 I don't think he's a bad guy either.

01:14:16.000 He didn't stand up for himself.

01:14:17.000 Al Franken's a good example.

01:14:17.000 He did for a while and then he couldn't.

01:14:19.000 And all the Democrats now in Minnesota are having second thoughts.

01:14:23.000 He shouldn't retire. 1.00

01:14:24.000 Hey, you fucking guys. 1.00

01:14:26.000 You mobbed up on Twitter. 1.00

01:14:28.000 Like, a little proportion.

01:14:29.000 We need to have...

01:14:30.000 Well, who's we, though?

01:14:31.000 You're talking about such a large number of humans.

01:14:33.000 There needs to be a national narrative. 1.00

01:14:34.000 Some people mobbed up because it's naturally in their fucking behavior pattern. 0.98

01:14:38.000 There needs to be a national narrative on where the line is, too. 0.98

01:14:41.000 A lot of people don't know where the line is.

01:14:42.000 I know where the line is.

01:14:43.000 You know where the line is to me? 0.97

01:14:44.000 If you don't want something and I'm humiliating you or embarrassing you, and if I did that because I'm an idiot, then I've got to make amends and figure out what I did wrong. 0.88

01:14:54.000 You're 100% right, but we have to understand what you're saying when you're saying the line. 0.56

01:14:57.000 The line includes free speech, and free speech for 320 million people is going to leave an exorbitant amount of human beings that feel like they should gang up on everybody any time something goes sideways.

01:15:07.000 And that's what you see and that's what you feel.

01:15:09.000 Mob mentality.

01:15:11.000 React to that, because they don't want blowback, they don't want boycotts, they step in and fire people that maybe shouldn't get fired.

01:15:16.000 But I also think in the workplace it's scary.

01:15:19.000 Even for me, there was a female comic the other night, we're on the lineup, and I'm into fashion, I'm almost too gay with it. 0.94

01:15:25.000 She had this dope coat on. 1.00

01:15:27.000 I said something about her coat, and I thought, ah, fuck. 1.00

01:15:30.000 Was I too forward with her about her coat? 0.99

01:15:33.000 I'm scared of it now.

01:15:34.000 Right.

01:15:34.000 You've got to be careful how it's interpreted.

01:15:36.000 That sucks. 0.95

01:15:37.000 There was a male in the room, and I was like, dude, where'd you get that coat from? 0.99

01:15:40.000 We're talking about coats.

01:15:40.000 Right.

01:15:41.000 And I saw hers, and then she was about to go on stage. 1.00

01:15:43.000 I was like, I love your coat.

01:15:45.000 That coat is dope.

01:15:45.000 And I grabbed her arm.

01:15:47.000 I was like, ugh.

01:15:48.000 Oh, you've got to be careful.

01:15:49.000 Is she going to blast out? 0.99

01:15:50.000 Isn't that fucked up, though? 1.00

01:15:51.000 And I thought, ah, fuck, man. 1.00

01:15:53.000 See, the reason why it's fucked up is because of your intentions. 1.00

01:15:55.000 Your intentions are only like, you really do love fashion, and you see a really nice coat, and you're like, ooh, that is nice. 0.96

01:16:01.000 Like, the way I would look at a nice car. 1.00

01:16:03.000 Wait, what about if a woman's beautiful, and I go, you are fucking... 1.00

01:16:09.000 I can't do that. 1.00

01:16:11.000 Why not?

01:16:12.000 Because the way you do it... 0.98

01:16:13.000 When you do it, you start humping your back. 0.81

01:16:15.000 Well, I'm not wearing pants. 0.99

01:16:17.000 Your crotch comes forward. 0.91

01:16:18.000 You also touch them. 0.96

01:16:18.000 Yeah, I'm not wearing pants. 0.96

01:16:20.000 You take the shape of a letter C and you start moving towards them.

01:16:23.000 Like a giant cashew.

01:16:26.000 That's weird?

01:16:26.000 Why do you think that's weird?

01:16:28.000 I'm being complimentary. 1.00

01:16:29.000 Because if it was my sister, I'd want to punch you in the face. 1.00

01:16:31.000 Fuck away from my sister. 1.00

01:16:32.000 Think about it in the workplace, too. 1.00

01:16:34.000 If a girl wears a pretty dress... 1.00

01:16:36.000 I saw a comic tweet out, can't a girl wear a dress without being fucking complimented on it? 0.98

01:16:42.000 I'm like... 1.00

01:16:43.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:16:43.000 Without being complimented? 1.00

01:16:45.000 Yeah.

01:16:45.000 What do you mean?

01:16:45.000 Like, can't we just dress up and you can't say a word?

01:16:48.000 Like, you don't see guys saying, hey, nice tie.

01:16:50.000 Like, can't women come in the office and not get remarks? 1.00

01:16:53.000 Fuck, that's the world we're living in, man. 1.00

01:16:55.000 You can't say, man, you look great today. 1.00

01:16:56.000 You look gorgeous today.

01:16:57.000 You're confusing this.

01:16:58.000 What you're saying is, can't a woman come into the office and get remarks, get positive remarks? 0.96

01:17:04.000 No.

01:17:05.000 It doesn't have to be a good thing.

01:17:07.000 Can't the man not say anything about a woman the way she looks in the office place? 0.83

01:17:11.000 Can't she just be another employee? 1.00

01:17:13.000 A woman was asking for that. 1.00

01:17:14.000 Yeah, a woman goes, can you guys just not comment? 1.00

01:17:16.000 The woman was saying that? 0.93

01:17:17.000 Yes.

01:17:18.000 Oh, a woman was saying that. 0.98

01:17:18.000 She doesn't know what it's like to be a man. 0.98

01:17:20.000 Sometimes you want to compliment somebody.

01:17:23.000 There's also the reality, and this is something I've been talking about in my act a lot.

01:17:27.000 There's a reality of the way women are allowed to dress both on television and in real life in office situations where they expose enormous swaths of skin. 0.99

01:17:38.000 Which men are not.

01:17:39.000 If men in the office were wearing skirts, and you could see their toes, and they had sleeveless shirts, and this is common.

01:17:46.000 This is commonplace, and there's nothing wrong with it, and there's nothing inappropriate about it, and I'm not commenting on it, like, criticizing it, but the reality of the way women are allowed to dress, like, if you watch Megyn Kelly on television, she's, especially during the Fox News days, when she's the ice princess, she wore these very small dresses that looked like she was going out for a hot night on the town. 0.95

01:18:06.000 Not mad at it.

01:18:06.000 Jamie, bring that up for a second.

01:18:07.000 It's not a bad thing, man.

01:18:08.000 No, it's not a bad thing.

01:18:09.000 There's videos that just show women on Fox News crisscrossing and uncrossing their legs and then dangling their shoes off their feet.

01:18:16.000 How about the weather girls?

01:18:16.000 Check out the weather girls in Latin America.

01:18:18.000 The weather girls in L.A., son. 0.61

01:18:20.000 Everywhere.

01:18:21.000 So girls that... 1.00

01:18:22.000 Girls that dress like that should be allowed to dress any fucking way they want. 1.00

01:18:26.000 But there is a reality of the way they're dressing that is way more sexually suggestive than anything that a man is allowed to wear. 0.99

01:18:34.000 There's not a sexual equality when it comes to wardrobe. 0.99

01:18:37.000 When it comes to wardrobe in an office, if every woman dressed like Barbara Walters in the 1980s and wore a fucking pantsuit and had one of those big collars on and shit, dress like Ellen. 1.00

01:18:48.000 Every woman was like Ellen when she hosted her show. 1.00

01:18:50.000 But this is why all women should be in burkas. 1.00

01:18:52.000 But that outfit, that Ellen outfit, is basically like a female version of what men wear.

01:18:58.000 When men are on television, they wear a suit, jacket, they wear a nice shirt, they wear pants with a belt.

01:19:03.000 Isn't there also a truth to how men naturally are drawn to women in certain outfits?

01:19:08.000 I mean, like men are more visual overall than women. 0.61

01:19:11.000 You're talking about yoga pants, sir?

01:19:13.000 Talking about just how men...

01:19:15.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:19:16.000 What? 1.00

01:19:17.000 Get in the fuck out of here! 1.00

01:19:18.000 Yes! 1.00

01:19:18.000 How is that the face of a woman who's giving you the news? 1.00

01:19:21.000 She's a serious journalist.

01:19:22.000 Yeah, she's so...

01:19:23.000 And that was back when she was, like, way hotter.

01:19:25.000 She was younger.

01:19:25.000 I got no problem with that.

01:19:27.000 I don't have a problem with it either, but what is that?

01:19:29.000 Go in the upper right-hand corner.

01:19:30.000 Upper right-hand corner of that series out there.

01:19:32.000 What is that? 0.99

01:19:32.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:19:33.000 I'm not mad at her at all. 1.00

01:19:34.000 She's stupid hot, right? 1.00

01:19:36.000 Ridiculous. 1.00

01:19:36.000 Short hair now, which I disagree with. 1.00

01:19:38.000 But imagine now...

01:19:39.000 Imagine now...

01:19:40.000 Which I disagree with.

01:19:41.000 Don Lemon wearing that same outfit.

01:19:43.000 Well, I wouldn't look good in that.

01:19:44.000 Actually, I have good legs.

01:19:45.000 They're okay.

01:19:46.000 You don't know, dude.

01:19:47.000 You've seen me in high heels?

01:19:48.000 You're okay.

01:19:49.000 Don Lemon's is better than me.

01:19:50.000 You don't have good legs.

01:19:51.000 Who?

01:19:51.000 You.

01:19:51.000 Yes, I do.

01:19:52.000 They're okay.

01:19:53.000 Well, you have...

01:19:53.000 Let's be honest with fathers.

01:19:54.000 They're okay.

01:19:56.000 Yeah, my psoriasis flared up again. 1.00

01:19:58.000 I mean, fuck off. 1.00

01:20:00.000 It flared up again. 1.00

01:20:00.000 I did. 1.00

01:20:03.000 I know.

01:20:04.000 But I think my flu caused my psoriasis.

01:20:07.000 I'm sure.

01:20:07.000 No, you have it all the time.

01:20:08.000 I just got it again.

01:20:10.000 We have to make sure that we let everybody know what we're saying here.

01:20:13.000 I'm not saying that women should be sexually harassed because they dress sexy. 0.98

01:20:16.000 I'm saying if you wear something that looks nice in the office, I think guys should be like, damn, you look really good today. 1.00

01:20:21.000 But it's a problem because if the girl responds to that, then the guy's like, ooh, she wants the dick. 1.00

01:20:26.000 I know. 1.00

01:20:27.000 Guys are meatheads.

01:20:28.000 She has to be careful about how she walks to the water cooler by herself.

01:20:31.000 And you're going to come up to her and she's on her way to the bathroom and ask her weird questions.

01:20:34.000 I know.

01:20:35.000 It's a bummer.

01:20:36.000 But don't a lot of people get married in the workplace? 0.98

01:20:38.000 Don't they have romances in the workplace? 1.00

01:20:39.000 Don't they meet their lovers there?

01:20:40.000 Not anymore, buddy. 1.00

01:20:41.000 That shit's illegal. 1.00

01:20:42.000 Shit's illegal. 1.00

01:20:42.000 Maybe it should be, but I don't know. 1.00

01:20:44.000 That's where you meet people.

01:20:46.000 Oh, we'll have a bunch of people who are really unhappy.

01:20:47.000 That's going to make men and women unhappy. 1.00

01:20:50.000 This is puritanical.

01:20:51.000 I know a lot of people, especially in the TV business, that the writer would hook up with one of the girls who was in production, and then they wound up being married and having kids.

01:21:01.000 Yeah, it's a great story. 0.87

01:21:02.000 And I also know a lot where the writer would hook up with one of the girls in production and then they would break up and it would be a fucking disaster on the set and one of them would wind up leaving. 0.82

01:21:11.000 Let individuals take that responsibility. 0.87

01:21:13.000 Okay, you know what we're all asking for?

01:21:14.000 We want a higher authority, a corporate, nameless, faceless bureaucracy.

01:21:23.000 To lay down these laws on high in stone.

01:21:27.000 And there are certain things you can't do.

01:21:29.000 No relationships whatsoever.

01:21:31.000 I don't care if you're two human beings.

01:21:33.000 Awesome. 0.98

01:21:33.000 The workplace is going to be fucking great. 0.98

01:21:36.000 America's going to be fucking happy. 1.00

01:21:37.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:21:38.000 Instead of giving individuals the responsibility for managing their own relationships, their own romance, and now in colleges, and now in fucking Fucking colleges. 1.00

01:21:49.000 My nephew's got to sit there and every step of the way sexually he's got to go, is this okay? 1.00

01:21:53.000 Is this okay?

01:21:54.000 He's got to get consent every time. 1.00

01:21:56.000 Fuck that too. 1.00

01:21:58.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:21:59.000 I won't. 1.00

01:22:01.000 It's big brother.

01:22:03.000 It's tyrannical and it's not going to make anybody happier or safer. 1.00

01:22:07.000 It's all bullshit. 1.00

01:22:08.000 You know why you walk a girl to her car at night? 1.00

01:22:11.000 Not because men, not because of rape culture, not because men are dangerous, because there are psychos out there.

01:22:17.000 Because there are psychotics.

01:22:18.000 I think both.

01:22:21.000 What do you mean?

01:22:22.000 There's a lot of guys you've got to watch out for.

01:22:25.000 Of course there are!

01:22:26.000 Or one guy!

01:22:28.000 It takes one guy in a van.

01:22:29.000 Right, but it's not just psychos. 1.00

01:22:31.000 It's sometimes just a guy with a couple of drinks in them who's an asshole. 1.00

01:22:33.000 Yeah, drunk dudes, it's whatever. 1.00

01:22:34.000 Listen, man, all my friends who are drunk, we've talked about this, You know, rapists in jail have to be protected from the other inmates. 1.00

01:22:44.000 Men who are regular guys like us don't like those fucking guys. 1.00

01:22:47.000 No, child rapists have to be protected. 1.00

01:22:49.000 There's a lot of guys that are in jail.

01:22:50.000 Pertuse O'Neil got arrested once, falsely accused of rape.

01:22:53.000 And one of the things that he said was that when he went to jail, he was worried.

01:22:56.000 And guys would be like, no, no, no, that's a skin beef.

01:22:59.000 They would call it a skin beef.

01:23:00.000 It's like that's not like no one thinks you're a rapist. 1.00

01:23:02.000 It's one thing if you get accused of being like some serial rapist who breaks into women's- Then you're fucked. 1.00

01:23:06.000 Then you're fucked. 1.00

01:23:06.000 But a guy who a girl, they have a dispute and the girl claims the guy raped her. 1.00

01:23:11.000 Oh yeah, I don't know.

01:23:11.000 Which no one wants to admit happens and it happens way less.

01:23:14.000 I think way more women don't report rape. 1.00

01:23:18.000 Way more.

01:23:19.000 Then women report false rapes. 1.00

01:23:21.000 Oh, I agree 100%.

01:23:22.000 Way more women are embarrassed, disturbed, sickened. 0.61

01:23:27.000 They feel dehumanized.

01:23:29.000 They don't even want to discuss it.

01:23:30.000 They would rather not be outed as someone who got raped and let this person get away with it.

01:23:35.000 That's a common thing with women. 1.00

01:23:36.000 That's why I think some of this hashtag MeToo is good.

01:23:38.000 But also, some women lie. 1.00

01:23:41.000 That happens too.

01:23:42.000 That's a bummer.

01:23:43.000 But you can't...

01:23:44.000 But they're humans.

01:23:45.000 They're humans, but you can't tailor everything towards those few negative apples.

01:23:48.000 No, you don't, but you don't tailor anything towards the idea that those apples are non-existent and impossible.

01:23:54.000 Correct.

01:23:55.000 But I'm going back to the office space.

01:23:56.000 You're going to always deal with false accusations.

01:23:58.000 You're going to deal with people who don't report things.

01:24:00.000 You're going to deal with all these things in the wide spectrum of humanity.

01:24:03.000 Right.

01:24:03.000 I just don't think that this zero tolerance, nobody's allowed to date anybody because we don't want to...

01:24:08.000 And that's where we're at.

01:24:10.000 That's what happens.

01:24:11.000 I don't agree with it.

01:24:12.000 We talked about it on our show, and I never even thought about it until we were at the comedy store. 1.00

01:24:16.000 And when I told that girl in Ice Code, I thought, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:24:18.000 Do I seem creepy? 0.99

01:24:19.000 Because she's young.

01:24:20.000 You know, she's 21. Amazing comic. 1.00

01:24:22.000 I gotta piss. 0.56

01:24:23.000 Go ahead and piss. 1.00

01:24:24.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:24:26.000 You guys are very aggressive with each other. 1.00

01:24:27.000 If you bring up your nephew, one more fucking talk. 1.00

01:24:29.000 Who's his nephew? 1.00

01:24:30.000 I don't know.

01:24:31.000 He's going to some school.

01:24:31.000 I just can't talk.

01:24:34.000 Go pee.

01:24:35.000 We'll be right back.

01:24:36.000 Jesus Christ.

01:24:37.000 Man, he gets on.

01:24:38.000 You two are like an old married couple.

01:24:40.000 It's hilarious. 1.00

01:24:41.000 Yeah, I want to kill them some days. 0.99

01:24:45.000 But I think we're talking too much about sexual harassment. 1.00

01:24:47.000 I agree.

01:24:48.000 But I think...

01:24:49.000 People will shut it down.

01:24:50.000 You know what the problem is with sexual harassment, too?

01:24:52.000 It's everywhere. 0.99

01:24:54.000 So when they tune in to shows like this, they don't want to fucking hear it here either. 0.96

01:24:57.000 Neither do I, really. 0.93

01:24:58.000 People are trying to work it out.

01:24:59.000 I think that's one of the important things about talking about it.

01:25:01.000 But the problem is men are talking about it. 0.99

01:25:03.000 Like, we don't know jack shit about it. 0.98

01:25:04.000 Like I said, I don't really deal with it until that night. 0.93

01:25:07.000 But here's the thing.

01:25:08.000 No one's coming at us with it.

01:25:10.000 I've only had gay guys hit on me aggressively a couple times ever in my life. 1.00

01:25:14.000 Andy Dick tried sucking my dick. 1.00

01:25:15.000 I felt uncomfortable. 1.00

01:25:16.000 That's Andy Dick's kind of favorite.

01:25:17.000 I'm just kidding, by the way.

01:25:18.000 He tried, but he's awesome.

01:25:19.000 Yeah.

01:25:19.000 I had a comic once at the Montreal Comedy Festival late at night when we were all hanging around the bar getting super aggressive with me.

01:25:27.000 Really?

01:25:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:28.000 Super.

01:25:29.000 Way back in the day.

01:25:30.000 This was like...

01:25:31.000 I want to say like late 90s. 0.98

01:25:34.000 Real uncomfortable moment where I had to tell him, get the fuck away from me. 0.98

01:25:37.000 Bigger dude, too? 0.99

01:25:38.000 Could have been some problems?

01:25:40.000 No, it wasn't like a physically threatening thing. 1.00

01:25:43.000 I literally told him I would stomp a fucking hole in his chest if he touched me again. 1.00

01:25:46.000 Did it work or did it turn him on? 1.00

01:25:47.000 No, it worked.

01:25:48.000 Yeah.

01:25:49.000 No, I was serious.

01:25:50.000 I was like, you gotta stop touching me.

01:25:51.000 He knew what was up, yeah.

01:25:52.000 Well, he was drunk, and I wasn't.

01:25:54.000 It was one of those weird moments where someone is being sexually aggressive, and they think it's funny, and then they try to take it to the next level to show you how crazy they are, or something like that.

01:26:02.000 Yeah, they can't blow. 0.84

01:26:03.000 I was like, dude, do not touch me like this.

01:26:04.000 And then I realized, oh, this is what it's like when you're a woman, except the woman can't kill the guy. 0.97

01:26:10.000 I know. 1.00

01:26:10.000 Like, I'm dealing with a doughy, drunk comedian that I could kill. 1.00

01:26:13.000 Yeah, if you tried anything, you just whoop his ass, where women don't have that option. 1.00

01:26:17.000 Whereas they don't have that option at all, and it's not funny. 0.99

01:26:21.000 With a woman, it's not a funny situation. 1.00

01:26:24.000 With me, it was funny.

01:26:25.000 It was never like I was nervous.

01:26:27.000 But it was like, God, this is gross.

01:26:29.000 Well, I think you look at it different, too, because you have two daughters.

01:26:32.000 I do now.

01:26:33.000 I didn't then. 0.99

01:26:33.000 I'm saying now you do where it's like, fuck man, it's scary. 0.99

01:26:36.000 You do that, just having children. 1.00

01:26:39.000 You look at people so differently because children are so vulnerable.

01:26:42.000 And when you have a little kid and you see that little kid trying to make their way through the world, you think about them being victimized by some sort of an evil predator. 0.99

01:26:49.000 And it's fucking awful. 0.99

01:26:51.000 It's a terrible feeling. 0.99

01:26:52.000 It's a weird thing that we have to reconcile.

01:26:55.000 The fact that some people do prey on other people's vulnerabilities and weaknesses and Boy orca.

01:27:01.000 Boy orca.

01:27:02.000 I'm looking for a new nanny and you hear all these horrible stories about nannies and the molest kids. 1.00

01:27:08.000 I do not play that shit. 1.00

01:27:09.000 There's some horrible videos of nannies lifting kids up and throwing them against their crib. 1.00

01:27:14.000 You can't watch them.

01:27:16.000 It makes me sick.

01:27:16.000 They're so infuriating.

01:27:18.000 It makes me sick. 1.00

01:27:19.000 One kid was all fucked up and bruised and the parents put this fucking camera and they caught the lady picking the kid up by his arms and literally throwing him across the room and you watch it and you're just like, oh my god. 1.00

01:27:30.000 It'd be tough for me not to go to prison if I came home and saw that. 0.99

01:27:32.000 It would be really tough.

01:27:34.000 It would be so, so tough.

01:27:34.000 I have more self-control than a lot of people.

01:27:36.000 It'd be so tough not to choke the life out of her. 1.00

01:27:39.000 You know what they say that gave rise to the helicopter parent phenomenon?

01:27:42.000 That?

01:27:43.000 One of the things they talk about, like how students are so entitled and they became sort of like this idea that they can say anything they want.

01:27:50.000 That's sort of the whole movement of my personal sovereignty is everything.

01:27:54.000 One of the theories would be that in the 80s, when kids started disappearing and you started reading about it, all of us as parents, as human beings, there's nothing worse, right?

01:28:08.000 You can't think of anything worse.

01:28:09.000 Right.

01:28:09.000 And that created this, every parent, your biggest fear, right?

01:28:13.000 So now you go, I'm not letting my kid take his bike down to the neighbors, because it might only be 600 yards, but...

01:28:22.000 John Wayne Gacy might be waiting.

01:28:23.000 That's right.

01:28:24.000 My dad didn't let me walk home.

01:28:25.000 That's always happened, actually, but it was, you know, now people say, remember when we used to be able to play out there?

01:28:31.000 It's always happened, but we started learning about it.

01:28:33.000 People started establishing patterns about it.

01:28:35.000 Then we had certain serial killers like John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy and stuff like that.

01:28:41.000 Dude, I dodged bullets twice in my own life.

01:28:43.000 I dodged a bullet once when I was about 8 years old and again when I was about 13. What do you mean dodge a bullet?

01:28:48.000 Guys are trying to fuck me. 1.00

01:28:49.000 What? 1.00

01:28:49.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:28:50.000 A guy tried to take me out of a library when I was a little kid.

01:28:53.000 The librarian starts yelling out, he was going to show me these books in his car.

01:28:57.000 And the librarian started yelling out, Joseph, you get away from him.

01:29:01.000 That guy just got out of jail. 0.99

01:29:02.000 And I'm fucking crying. 0.99

01:29:03.000 Ryan and I run to her and the guy runs out of there. 0.99

01:29:05.000 Wow.

01:29:05.000 And then another time when I was 13, some guy like literally tried to get closer and closer to me and my friends.

01:29:11.000 He would jog around this lake that we would fish at, sit down and talk to us, seemed like a super nice guy.

01:29:16.000 And then it got creepier and weirder until one day he showed up drunk and he told me he loved me and that no love could be, you can't have love without sex.

01:29:25.000 And I was like, what? 0.98

01:29:26.000 Hell, man.

01:29:26.000 And I was 13, and I was a little skinny kid, and I was hiding.

01:29:31.000 You know, we were in this area of this pond where it's like- He's a man, right?

01:29:36.000 Yeah, he's a man, a big man, too.

01:29:38.000 Do what he wants. 1.00

01:29:38.000 And there's, you know, I'm waiting for a jogger to come by and catch this guy fucking me in the ass in the bushes. 1.00

01:29:44.000 Like, what do I do? 1.00

01:29:45.000 So what'd you do? 1.00

01:29:46.000 I told him to get the fuck away from me. 0.99

01:29:47.000 I put my hand in my pocket where I had a knife. 1.00

01:29:49.000 I held on to the knife as if I could.

01:29:51.000 And if a 13-year-old tries to cut you. 1.00

01:29:52.000 You cut that dick, though. 1.00

01:29:54.000 Maybe. 1.00

01:29:55.000 I don't know.

01:29:55.000 If you didn't grab your arms first.

01:29:57.000 I wasn't strong.

01:29:58.000 I was super vulnerable.

01:29:59.000 But my point is, I got lucky and dodged two bullets in my life.

01:30:04.000 And they weren't bad bullets. 1.00

01:30:05.000 It wasn't like some guy chloroformed me and threw me in a van and fucked me in the ass for a month. 1.00

01:30:09.000 That's scary. 1.00

01:30:10.000 But it's...

01:30:11.000 It's not worst case scenario, but it was enough to know that those things are real and they're out there.

01:30:16.000 There's a lot of people.

01:30:17.000 My buddy got, from the age of 9 to 12, this guy was just this master manipulator and he ended up like getting essentially raped from 9 to 12 and he was their neighbor.

01:30:29.000 He was like, he lived, he was like probably 25, whatever, and he lived and he did work around the place and he, what he was really good at was he got my friend Like, he created a sympathetic character.

01:30:45.000 So my friend felt like he was like, I was having sex with him because I felt like I was taking care of him.

01:30:50.000 Otherwise, he would die if I didn't. 0.98

01:30:52.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:30:53.000 Yeah, so he put all this stuff on him.

01:30:54.000 And then what happened was, he went through all that.

01:30:57.000 His mother, like, they found out.

01:30:58.000 His mother said, you did nothing wrong.

01:31:00.000 But they didn't know.

01:31:01.000 This is in the 70s or early 80s.

01:31:03.000 They go through the whole thing.

01:31:05.000 The guy, I think, went to jail.

01:31:06.000 But...

01:31:07.000 It was later.

01:31:09.000 It was later that that trauma began to manifest itself.

01:31:12.000 Like later on.

01:31:12.000 And he was never really...

01:31:14.000 He's never been okay. 0.50

01:31:16.000 No, he's got to be feeling gross and dirty and just... 0.98

01:31:19.000 You hate yourself. 1.00

01:31:21.000 Is he gay? 0.97

01:31:22.000 No, but he's not gay, but he was never able to... 0.64

01:31:27.000 I don't want to say too much because, you know, I haven't talked to him in a long time, but I was close to him.

01:31:32.000 You might have known...

01:31:33.000 I think I've told you a little bit about him.

01:31:35.000 He would paint...

01:31:37.000 He's a great painter.

01:31:38.000 I have some of his paintings in my home.

01:31:40.000 And he was such a great, special guy.

01:31:42.000 But he would paint the same thing over and over again.

01:31:46.000 And he never ever painted a different variation.

01:31:48.000 His podcast got dark.

01:31:50.000 Yeah.

01:31:51.000 Well, you know, I think humans need to pay attention to the worst aspects of our behavior.

01:31:57.000 And one of the things that Jordan Peterson has said that I think is incredibly important is what scares us the most about Nazis and murderers and psychopaths and rapists is we are all human and given the right set of circumstances with the right set of input and the right set of genetics and the right set of environments and the right set of life experiences and the right set of abuse in the household growing up, you could be that person too.

01:32:19.000 And enjoy it.

01:32:20.000 Yeah, and when you talk to neuroscientists and people that are actually studying how the human brain develops, and one of the things that Robert Sapolsky said when I had him on the podcast was a really fascinating thing.

01:32:31.000 He said that I think in the future we are going to look back at the idea of punishing someone for their actions.

01:32:38.000 As being so incredibly short-sighted and foolhardy, because what this person is, when you think about the concept of determinism, right?

01:32:45.000 The concept of everything in your life has led you to be who you are right now, and your idea of free will is essentially an illusion.

01:32:52.000 Your free will is based on so many different factors that you have no control over, and they influence you to such a great deal.

01:32:59.000 The idea that this person is in this terrible situation that does this terrible crime is just acting out of evil intentions.

01:33:06.000 It's a foolish way of understanding how the human brain develops.

01:33:10.000 How would you treat those people? 0.94

01:33:13.000 It's a very good question.

01:33:14.000 No one has answered that.

01:33:16.000 Back in the day when somebody had an epileptic seizure, you were thought to have been possessed by a demon.

01:33:22.000 If you hit somebody, you would be held accountable to that.

01:33:26.000 But what I thought was fascinating is World War I. Dan Carlin talks about this as well.

01:33:30.000 In World War I, when they didn't know what...

01:33:34.000 What kind of concussion, the bombs and their concussion would do to a soldier over and over and sleep deprivation living in those trenches.

01:33:41.000 And what happened was some people would just begin to go in shock.

01:33:45.000 They would get shell-shocked.

01:33:46.000 And so you could see them, their bodies would start to constrict and they couldn't really move.

01:33:52.000 But back in the day, those guys would be brought out and shot for cowardice. 0.97

01:33:58.000 Because they were being cowards. 0.96

01:34:00.000 And you could see their bodies were actually manifesting. 0.98

01:34:04.000 Right.

01:34:04.000 Well, here's the thing, too, of the problem with drafting an army or requiring people to sign up or making it some sort of a cultural mandate is there's some people that are just not designed for war.

01:34:14.000 They can't handle pressure.

01:34:16.000 No. 1.00

01:34:16.000 There's a lot of people that just can't handle fucking pressure, period. 1.00

01:34:19.000 And for whatever reason, whether it's biological, whether it's environmental, whether it's a combination of nature and nurture, who knows? 0.99

01:34:26.000 But there's some people that just, as of right now, they just can't do it.

01:34:31.000 It's not their thing.

01:34:32.000 They just can't handle pressure.

01:34:32.000 But also there's injury.

01:34:35.000 There's also constant...

01:34:36.000 Sleep deprivation injury that nobody can handle.

01:34:39.000 And the shock of impacts near you.

01:34:42.000 There's a lot that happens to people, and obviously the psychological trauma of it all, and knowing that at any step, you can step on a landmine, any step you can catch a bullet in the head, any step.

01:34:52.000 Well, Jordan said something else that was interesting.

01:34:55.000 He's helped people with PTSD when they come back from a war and they were from Iowa and they had a very sort of linear notion of, first of all, the military.

01:35:03.000 I want to be a man.

01:35:04.000 I want to do the right thing.

01:35:07.000 Duty, honor, loyalty.

01:35:09.000 These linear concepts.

01:35:10.000 Of course, you get into war and all of that gets shattered.

01:35:13.000 Sometimes it might even get mocked just because there's the fog of war.

01:35:16.000 There's so many things you do.

01:35:18.000 And some of these guys end up doing things that are...

01:35:21.000 To them or because of the circumstance maybe inexplicably cruel or just they did something that they can't live down and He would always kind of help them see that Human beings being the bipolar ape that we are are capable of incredible kindness and in beautiful construction and of course on the other side of that you have in you the ability to do unspeakable violence and terrible destruction for its own sake And oh,

01:35:51.000 by the way, in the moment, enjoy it.

01:35:53.000 That's being a human being. 1.00

01:35:55.000 We're fucking complicated men. 0.99

01:35:57.000 But that's also how we got here. 0.99

01:35:59.000 The only way you get from the wild ape swinging through the fucking trees in the jungle to 2017 with your Tesla driving you down the street without you even touching the steering wheel, the only way you get to that is through aggression. 0.79

01:36:11.000 I mean, it sounds crazy, but you get to that through aggression and competition because if you don't have that ability to survive, you're not going to get past the Jaguars, you're not going to get past the invading tribes. 0.96

01:36:22.000 So you don't need that today.

01:36:24.000 I'm not saying you need it today, but the only reason why...

01:36:28.000 We got out of those terrible situations is because we had the ability to become that monster that defends itself or that monster that attacks for its own interests.

01:36:37.000 That's literally what facilitated us developing.

01:36:40.000 Yeah, and also the fact that development requires a certain amount of destruction in in terms of like I did this podcast with them I'm gonna drop soon on mixed mental arts and we He said something, because somebody wrote this article, this woman, a professor, wrote this article about how certain speech is violent because when you say something that I disagree with or that hurts my sensibilities, it puts me in a state of stress, and that would be violence.

01:37:03.000 And so Jordan said, fine, let's extrapolate for a second.

01:37:07.000 Yes, it's true that words can pierce your heart. 0.96

01:37:10.000 I mean, he said, I'd rather get punched in the face.

01:37:12.000 You've got to hear him say it.

01:37:13.000 But he said, essentially, the problem is that What about six months down the line?

01:37:19.000 If I am trying to help you grow and become a better person, I see a fundamental flaw in your behavior, in your character.

01:37:27.000 And I tell you, if you have bad breath and you can't get a date, and I go, dude, your breath could melt paint. 0.99

01:37:31.000 At first, it's going to be fucking embarrassing to you. 0.95

01:37:34.000 But you're going to thank me six months down the line when you did something about it. 0.90

01:37:38.000 More importantly, if you say to somebody, dude, you want to be...

01:37:41.000 I see you trying to be this, whether it might be a great comic...

01:37:45.000 You don't write.

01:37:46.000 You're not disciplined.

01:37:47.000 Whatever it might be.

01:37:48.000 You don't want to hear that initially.

01:37:49.000 You're talking about the truth?

01:37:50.000 The truth!

01:37:51.000 And sometimes you have a set of beliefs.

01:37:54.000 Sort of you built your house around this set of like sort of an ideology.

01:37:58.000 You think you have the truth.

01:37:59.000 And somebody comes along with a different idea, a different point of view that shatters those walls.

01:38:04.000 And man, you don't like it.

01:38:06.000 You want to go back to your safe space.

01:38:08.000 But good luck growing! 1.00

01:38:10.000 You don't get closer to the truth by fucking saying you're causing violence. 0.99

01:38:14.000 I think the real problem with this is that these people are not trying to grow. 0.98

01:38:17.000 The people that are trying to change the definitions of words to suit their own intentions, they don't want competition.

01:38:23.000 And it's not by chance these are the same people that support Marxist ideologies.

01:38:27.000 They don't want competition.

01:38:29.000 They want a lack of competition.

01:38:31.000 They think competition is bad.

01:38:32.000 Yikes.

01:38:33.000 There's a lot of that out there, man, because they're not good at it, because they don't want to face that ultimate objective view of who they really are and their actual capabilities. 0.88

01:38:41.000 They'd rather get a bunch of fucking weird social justice brownie points for a bunch of weird things. 0.52

01:38:47.000 There's a lot of that. 0.98

01:38:49.000 There's a lot of that.

01:38:50.000 And you can see those patterns and the way those people talk.

01:38:52.000 They have very specific ways of talking.

01:38:54.000 You can point out very specific things that they say, things that they talk about.

01:38:58.000 They're going to be the first to talk about white privilege.

01:39:01.000 They're going to be the first to talk about trans rights and all these different...

01:39:04.000 And there's a way of talking, an actual pattern that the way they communicate, your words are violence.

01:39:11.000 There's literally a pattern that they've adopted, a predetermined pattern of behavior of thinking, the ideology, and the way they communicate so they all know that they're on the same team.

01:39:21.000 Yeah, it's called owning your impact, your verbal impact.

01:39:24.000 Yeah, and there's a pattern to the way the noises come out of their mouth.

01:39:29.000 It's fascinating because they're so uniform.

01:39:33.000 It's so common to hear these people talk the same way.

01:39:36.000 When Jordan Peterson got in this debate on television with this It looks like a man, and I say it in the same way that they and them are, you know, pronouns.

01:39:45.000 I don't mean to be negative.

01:39:46.000 I don't know if this is a man or a woman, because he's clearly uber-feminine, but has a beard, and says there is no biological difference in gender.

01:39:55.000 He was a professor of medicine there.

01:39:57.000 At the University of Toronto.

01:39:58.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:39:59.000 He goes, I'd be happy to unpack that for you, and it's like...

01:40:01.000 Yeah.

01:40:01.000 Oh, XY chromosomes.

01:40:03.000 See if you could find that.

01:40:04.000 See if you could just find that guy saying to Jordan Peterson, there's no biological basis for gender. 0.95

01:40:10.000 They were trying to force him under penalty of law and fine or whatever and jail to not use someone's preferred pronoun.

01:40:19.000 Which I would do just because I don't want to hurt somebody's feeling.

01:40:22.000 But they're trying to pass it as law.

01:40:24.000 So if you didn't use Xur or whatever, you would be tried for hate speech.

01:40:36.000 And that's where we head.

01:40:38.000 You know, with the communists, communism was a true religion in the Soviet Union, and they had essentially clergymen, people who were sort of, you know, the purest form of a priest, the idea that somebody would go around and check with the soldiers to make sure that their piety, that their allegiance to the communist cause was intact, and they'd ask you questions and stuff.

01:40:59.000 Are other cultures having these problems, where these surnames are coming up and all that stuff?

01:41:04.000 I mean, it's happening in Canada.

01:41:05.000 It's happening in America.

01:41:06.000 I'm sure it's probably happening in England.

01:41:08.000 It's happening in different ways.

01:41:09.000 It's happening in, like, Europe and Brazil.

01:41:10.000 It did in the 20th century.

01:41:12.000 It was called fascism.

01:41:13.000 It was called communism.

01:41:15.000 Human beings love religion.

01:41:17.000 We're all religious.

01:41:19.000 And there are man-made religions, and there are religions that are, you know, at least...

01:41:26.000 Purported to be from on high.

01:41:28.000 At least with on high religions, they're rather fixed. 1.00

01:41:31.000 It seems that man-made religions tend to be more ideologies.

01:41:35.000 And the difference between those, by the way, is philosophy is something that's trying to get to the truth with logic and reason and debate.

01:41:42.000 Ideologies, there's no room for debate.

01:41:44.000 It goes back to what you were saying.

01:41:45.000 There's no room for debate.

01:41:46.000 We have the answers, ladies and gentlemen.

01:41:48.000 That is equality at all costs.

01:41:50.000 I'd be happy to unpack that for you.

01:41:52.000 Yes, yes.

01:41:53.000 Do we have that video now?

01:41:55.000 Let's see if we can find it.

01:41:56.000 Jamie will find it.

01:41:57.000 I can't stand the guy.

01:41:58.000 But it was a bizarre conversation because it's like, okay, I see what you're doing.

01:42:02.000 You're trying to reinvent reality and there's a bunch of people that support you.

01:42:06.000 There's a bunch of other people that are delusional and they're also right there with you trying to reinvent reality.

01:42:11.000 Is there a huge movement?

01:42:13.000 Like, is this a big thing?

01:42:14.000 There's enough that people are talking about it.

01:42:16.000 The thing about movements is...

01:42:17.000 They're losing ground, too, though.

01:42:17.000 Yeah, of course they are.

01:42:18.000 Of course.

01:42:19.000 There's not enough people.

01:42:20.000 No.

01:42:21.000 There's not enough people are going to support it.

01:42:22.000 So many people are going to reject it. 0.98

01:42:24.000 The real movers are going to be like, get the fuck out of here. 0.95

01:42:24.000 Well, not only that. 0.95

01:42:25.000 This is not like a behavior thing.

01:42:27.000 This is science.

01:42:28.000 You're talking about chromosomes.

01:42:29.000 It's science, bro.

01:42:29.000 You're talking about gender dysphoria.

01:42:31.000 You're talking about all sorts of different issues that are like...

01:42:33.000 These are recognized...

01:42:36.000 Actual issues that human beings have.

01:42:39.000 What are these issues, though?

01:42:41.000 Are you saying there's no scientific basis?

01:42:44.000 You're saying you can't differentiate between a male and a woman, a man and a female? 0.70

01:42:48.000 That is bizarre nonsense.

01:42:49.000 Of course you can.

01:42:50.000 You could make the distinction between male and female, and then he and her, in a way.

01:42:59.000 Here we go.

01:43:00.000 The bald one is the one who said it.

01:43:02.000 That woman is in the women's studies department. 1.00

01:43:08.000 He's not transgender. 0.99

01:43:09.000 There's something going on.

01:43:11.000 Really?

01:43:11.000 Yeah.

01:43:12.000 It's not correct that there is such a thing as biological sex.

01:43:15.000 And I'm a historian of medicine.

01:43:16.000 I can unpack that for you at great length if you want, but in the interest of time, I won't.

01:43:22.000 So that's a very popular misconception.

01:43:24.000 So essentially, in my transgender studies classes, what we're doing is looking at actual research and identifying ways...

01:43:30.000 That current social issues related to trans people or things that are associated with trans, such as free speech arguments and claims, how that connects to the way that people are thinking, the way that research has been framed, the histories of systemic...

01:43:46.000 I don't focus on pronouns because pronouns are actually part of a cisnormative culture.

01:43:51.000 So what we do is learn about...

01:43:52.000 I was just about to explain.

01:43:55.000 So we don't start from a cisnormative perspective. 0.89

01:43:57.000 Okay, let's kill this before I throw up. 1.00

01:43:58.000 Dude, this guy's a He's crazy. 1.00

01:44:00.000 Is that a guy or a girl? 0.98

01:44:01.000 That used to be a girl? 1.00

01:44:02.000 That's a man.

01:44:03.000 Did it used to be a woman, though? 0.99

01:44:04.000 He has a better beard than me.

01:44:05.000 No, that's a man.

01:44:06.000 On hormones.

01:44:07.000 That's a man on hormones.

01:44:08.000 I think that's a man on a female that's on male hormones. 1.00

01:44:11.000 No, I disagree.

01:44:12.000 Do you know who Buck Angel is?

01:44:16.000 No.

01:44:16.000 Buck Angel is a porn star that was born a woman, that became a man through hormones, and she was on the podcast.

01:44:22.000 He was on the podcast.

01:44:23.000 He's a he now. 1.00

01:44:24.000 Talks exactly like that guy.

01:44:26.000 Sounds just like him.

01:44:27.000 That guy right there.

01:44:28.000 That's Buck Angel. 0.93

01:44:28.000 Born a woman. 0.93

01:44:29.000 Really?

01:44:30.000 No.

01:44:31.000 Just play a clip of him on the podcast.

01:44:34.000 This is what I want you to hear.

01:44:36.000 I want you to hear the way he sounds.

01:44:37.000 Because he sounds literally exactly like that guy.

01:44:41.000 Like he could be doing an impression of that guy.

01:44:44.000 What? 1.00

01:44:45.000 It's all jacked and yoked and shit. 0.99

01:44:47.000 How long ago is this? 1.00

01:44:48.000 A couple years ago, I want to say.

01:44:50.000 A hundred thousand years ago.

01:44:51.000 Two hundred thousand years ago.

01:44:53.000 Women had to run, too. 1.00

01:44:55.000 Women had to fight, too. 1.00

01:44:56.000 Women had to stay alive. 1.00

01:44:57.000 Women had to protect their babies. 1.00

01:44:59.000 I mean, they didn't have to do it as much or often.

01:45:02.000 Get to him, man.

01:45:02.000 Get to him.

01:45:03.000 And they'll be less likely to stick around and raise their children.

01:45:08.000 No, clearly.

01:45:09.000 But it doesn't make sense to me, the whole professional bodybuilding thing.

01:45:15.000 That used to be a female. 1.00

01:45:16.000 Let me see a before picture. 0.98

01:45:18.000 Let me see that porno. 0.99

01:45:19.000 Same voice. 0.99

01:45:21.000 I think that guy is a guy who was born a woman who took male hormones, just like Buck Angel. 0.88

01:45:28.000 Maybe. 0.99

01:45:28.000 You might be fucking right. 0.99

01:45:30.000 But the idea that there's no biological difference I don't see a naked picture, so let me see the girl version. 1.00

01:45:36.000 So he doesn't have a penis? 0.99

01:45:38.000 That's not what he looks like. 1.00

01:45:39.000 What?

01:45:40.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:45:41.000 That's not what he looks like.

01:45:42.000 I am...

01:45:43.000 See, what is the word I'm trying to look for?

01:45:46.000 I... That him right there?

01:45:48.000 That was before and after, it said.

01:45:49.000 Come on.

01:45:50.000 Really?

01:45:51.000 That's what it said.

01:45:52.000 Does this make sense?

01:45:53.000 I feel like if the world had my attitude...

01:45:56.000 Fool me.

01:45:58.000 Wait, but...

01:45:59.000 If the world had your attitude, then it would be perfect?

01:46:01.000 No, no, no, definitely not.

01:46:02.000 But I think if the world had my attitude about this...

01:46:04.000 Even as a kid, if I saw that somebody was very effeminate, or I saw that...

01:46:10.000 Say somebody was like, I feel like I'm a woman, but I want to be a man or a man.

01:46:14.000 I have no problem with that.

01:46:15.000 Do your thing, man.

01:46:15.000 I would have protected that person.

01:46:17.000 And more importantly, I think I would have gone out of my way to make no big deal about it and they would have been included.

01:46:23.000 Yeah, but we're not talking about you.

01:46:24.000 What we're talking about is that sort of conversation is a nonsense conversation and this is going on over and over and over again because those people are in a cult.

01:46:32.000 Eric Weinstein was on my podcast.

01:46:34.000 Weinstein, sorry.

01:46:35.000 Yeah.

01:46:35.000 Not like Harvey Weinstein.

01:46:37.000 Eric Weinstein, the brother of Brett Weinstein, was on my podcast, and he said, here's how you know when you're in a cult.

01:46:42.000 When you hear there is no biological difference between men and women, you're in a cult.

01:46:47.000 Who puts up with that, though? 1.00

01:46:48.000 Who's educated that puts up with that bullshit? 1.00

01:46:51.000 Super common in colleges today. 1.00

01:46:51.000 In colleges today, you're hearing it left and right. 1.00

01:46:53.000 In major colleges.

01:46:54.000 Major universities.

01:46:56.000 In America.

01:46:56.000 Yes, in America.

01:46:58.000 They're teaching this and people are afraid to correct them. 1.00

01:47:00.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:47:01.000 They're afraid to say anything different about it. 1.00

01:47:03.000 And that's exactly right.

01:47:04.000 And in fact, if you even say gender dysmorphia was considered...

01:47:08.000 Dysphoria.

01:47:08.000 Dysphoria, sorry.

01:47:09.000 It was considered a...

01:47:11.000 Mental illness for a long time, even to suggest that that may be a subset of the population.

01:47:18.000 Maybe it's worth it when you have a child.

01:47:21.000 Well, if you have a child who's thinking of themselves, there are people, Hollywood actors, that are having their children, from what I have heard, haven't seen this, what I've heard from people that I know.

01:47:33.000 Their kids are going through...

01:47:34.000 They're getting hormones.

01:47:36.000 I think before that...

01:47:37.000 There are any hormone blockers. 0.86

01:47:38.000 Owen Benjamin got in a shitload of trouble for talking about a guy who has a three-year-old that he's putting through hormonal blockers and he was talking about how fucking insane that is. 0.99

01:47:49.000 It's insane! 0.95

01:47:49.000 People were barring Owen Benjamin from work. 0.95

01:47:51.000 Are you kidding?

01:47:52.000 I love that Owen Benjamin guy, by the way.

01:47:54.000 He's just an animal.

01:47:56.000 Let this child develop. 0.99

01:47:58.000 It's child abuse.

01:47:59.000 Of course it is.

01:48:01.000 But if you talk to any legit doctors who know anything about it, they go, really?

01:48:03.000 We shouldn't be doing anything until you're past 21 years old.

01:48:06.000 We shouldn't be doing anything.

01:48:07.000 Then if you want to do it, yes.

01:48:09.000 Frontal cortex does not even fully develop until you're 25. That was one of the things that Sapolsky talked about as well.

01:48:14.000 Just wait until you're 25. Yeah, but there's some kids that at a very young age are very adamant about the fact they were born in the wrong body.

01:48:23.000 And some of them, you look at them and you go, well, it makes sense.

01:48:25.000 So it's like who's right and who's wrong and when do you decide?

01:48:28.000 But here's when you don't decide.

01:48:29.000 Three! 1.00

01:48:30.000 Three is crazy.

01:48:31.000 Three is crazy. 0.94

01:48:32.000 Three, he should be put in jail.

01:48:33.000 There's something wrong with our culture where we think that that's a good idea to interfere with the hormonal system of a very complex thing, like a human being.

01:48:41.000 Three?

01:48:41.000 Not only that.

01:48:42.000 It becomes this sort of thing to do.

01:48:46.000 It becomes a thing that the CDC... What is the Canadian broadcast network?

01:48:51.000 CBC? They didn't want to talk about a story.

01:48:55.000 And I tweeted this a while back, too.

01:48:57.000 They didn't want to have a story on about transgender children because they showed that 85% of the kids that wanted to be trans after a couple years changed their mind.

01:49:08.000 There was a giant percentage of these kids that went through a phase.

01:49:11.000 You know, Ruby Rose, that famous actress, I think she's a lesbian. 1.00

01:49:14.000 She's really pretty.

01:49:15.000 She was in that John Wick 2 movie.

01:49:18.000 She said that when she was young, that she had thought about being trans, and she's really happy that she didn't actually go through it with the hormones and everything.

01:49:25.000 And now she realizes this is just...

01:49:27.000 She just doesn't fit in, and a lot of people don't.

01:49:29.000 They don't fit into what society has in line for them in terms of a man or a woman, this binary one or zero. 0.99

01:49:36.000 This old school...

01:49:37.000 That makes sense, too.

01:49:38.000 I also think a lot of the activism came out of a good place, which was that 40% of people who have transmorphia?

01:49:51.000 Gender dysphoria.

01:49:52.000 Gender dysphoria?

01:49:53.000 You've got to get that right.

01:49:54.000 40% commit suicide.

01:49:58.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:49:58.000 You're not even supposed to say that anymore.

01:50:00.000 And by the way, it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not they have had surgery or not have surgery.

01:50:03.000 So I was going to ask you that.

01:50:04.000 I heard that after they have the surgery, it doesn't actually put a dent in that.

01:50:09.000 No, it doesn't.

01:50:10.000 But the question is, are they depressed because they haven't been accepted as who they really are?

01:50:17.000 By society?

01:50:18.000 Yeah, and society caused them to have these irreparable scars, and that's what's led them to commit suicide, ultimately.

01:50:24.000 Because we don't accept them.

01:50:25.000 And it wasn't fixed by the surgery.

01:50:27.000 Is that possible, too? 0.99

01:50:28.000 Is it possible that we could be more accepting as a society and as a culture, and then these people could just be whoever the fuck they want to be? 0.99

01:50:35.000 And that's alright, too. 0.98

01:50:36.000 And maybe we would have a lower suicide rate if it wasn't thought of with this great stigma.

01:50:41.000 But you're not going to fix that by having people like that go on TV and say something that's a blatant scientific lie. 0.99

01:50:47.000 That guy's sick in the head. 0.97

01:50:48.000 That guy should not be educating young minds. 0.99

01:50:51.000 And people are coming out of those schools.

01:50:52.000 Thousands of people every year are coming out adopting these ideas.

01:50:56.000 Let me know what college he's in, because my son's not going there. 1.00

01:50:58.000 And they rebel against their parents, and their parents might be some fucking right-wing, square-jawed knucklehead, you know, that has some stupid ideas about what a man is and what a woman is, and it is, and God says a man should not live with a man. 0.99

01:51:10.000 Dude, studios and directors get massive heat for not having transgender actors Characters and stars and all that and there's this index. 0.99

01:51:20.000 How many lines did women say versus how many lines did men?

01:51:24.000 How many female strong characters are? 1.00

01:51:26.000 It's just like, can we just let people...

01:51:28.000 But here's the thing.

01:51:29.000 Do you know about this cover with all these women?

01:51:32.000 They were talking about inclusivity.

01:51:35.000 Is it on time?

01:51:38.000 It's a different magazine.

01:51:40.000 But it's all white women. 1.00

01:51:44.000 How is this diversity?

01:51:46.000 You're all white women. 1.00

01:51:47.000 You're not even playing by your own rules. 1.00

01:51:48.000 They got a lot of shit for it. 1.00

01:51:49.000 They should get a lot of shit for it. 1.00

01:51:51.000 Fuck let that slip through. 1.00

01:51:52.000 Like, what message are you trying to send? 1.00

01:51:55.000 You're saying, is this an anti-male message? 0.99

01:51:57.000 Because you're a bunch of white women. 1.00

01:51:59.000 Yeah, but you know, dude, now you're getting into this, my favorite fucking favorite new discipline, which is intersectionist feminism. 1.00

01:52:08.000 Don't know if you know what that is. 0.96

01:52:09.000 Intersectional.

01:52:09.000 You should know what it is.

01:52:10.000 Yeah, intersectional.

01:52:11.000 It's the best.

01:52:12.000 It's the best.

01:52:12.000 So, with the feminist movement, it really began with white women.

01:52:16.000 I think it started in the Women's Studies Department or at least the Literature Department at Yale University.

01:52:21.000 And they did some work, man.

01:52:24.000 Those women were serious. 0.58

01:52:25.000 And you can't say that the feminist movement didn't have something to say and didn't have some work to do. 0.99

01:52:29.000 Of course it did. 0.81

01:52:30.000 Smart women were like, I don't fucking want to be, you know, there are some issues and disparity. 1.00

01:52:35.000 But what happens with any movement is that it's like, well, we're white women. 0.98

01:52:41.000 What about black women? 1.00

01:52:43.000 They have it way worse than we do. 0.99

01:52:46.000 And we can just keep extrapolating. 0.97

01:52:48.000 What about black women with allergies? 1.00

01:52:50.000 Black women with lupus? 1.00

01:52:52.000 What about black women who come from really poor and violent areas versus black women who come from a better area? 1.00

01:52:58.000 What about black women who are midgets? 1.00

01:53:01.000 You can keep extrapolating. 1.00

01:53:03.000 I know.

01:53:03.000 Little person.

01:53:04.000 Small people.

01:53:05.000 You can just keep...

01:53:06.000 So at the top...

01:53:08.000 Sorry, buddy.

01:53:09.000 At the top of the sort of power structure now, the inverted power structure, is people that are the most oppressed.

01:53:17.000 They're the voices that have to be heard the most.

01:53:19.000 The problem with breaking this down into all these sections is you get ultimately to...

01:53:25.000 Because when they had this huge—Christine Summers talks about this—they had this huge intersectionist, feminist sort of congregation where all these women got together.

01:53:34.000 But in the group, when they were meeting in the convention center, they started breaking up.

01:53:37.000 They started breaking up.

01:53:39.000 Oh, they were breaking up.

01:53:39.000 They were like, well, we have allergies, so— We're not over there.

01:53:43.000 And by the way, you're black, but you're white, you're a feminist, but you date, you're a black feminist, but you also, you date a white woman. 1.00

01:53:49.000 Sorry, you're a little more privileged. 0.97

01:53:50.000 You gotta go over there.

01:53:51.000 And then the midgets were over there. 1.00

01:53:52.000 Yeah, so it became this, it became one click after another. 0.71

01:53:55.000 That's crazy that women become clicky. 1.00

01:53:57.000 That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

01:53:58.000 You want to know my favorite story in regards to this?

01:53:59.000 Let me just finish this one story.

01:54:01.000 The problem with that movement is that as you keep extrapolating, you get to what's called the individual.

01:54:08.000 The Founding Fathers figured that out a long time ago.

01:54:12.000 Ultimately, you're going to get down to the fact that you should treat everybody as an individual.

01:54:18.000 I like it as an individual.

01:54:20.000 That's the whole point.

01:54:22.000 Yes, you can keep going, but if you keep playing that game, you're just going to get down.

01:54:27.000 Everybody's different.

01:54:28.000 Everybody has something. 0.98

01:54:30.000 A white dude, my buddy Dave Otley, has a spine like this, and he's going to die unless he gets an operation. 1.00

01:54:37.000 His life sucks. 1.00

01:54:38.000 He's about that big. 1.00

01:54:38.000 His email is no-neck Dave. 1.00

01:54:40.000 I say I love him. 0.98

01:54:41.000 He's fucking hilarious, Dave Otley. 0.99

01:54:43.000 But Dave is white. 0.99

01:54:44.000 He ain't privileged.

01:54:45.000 He came from a Mormon family, a large family. 0.95

01:54:47.000 He wasn't, you know, his life has not been fucking easy. 0.98

01:54:50.000 He can't breathe. 0.96

01:54:51.000 So you can keep extrapolating.

01:54:53.000 That's why you treat people as individuals, because you don't know anything about them.

01:54:56.000 You actually don't know anything about what they've gone through.

01:54:58.000 Could be a great looking guy, sleeve tattooed, 6'4".

01:55:01.000 It's a nonsense conversation.

01:55:03.000 Yeah.

01:55:03.000 Because what they're really trying to do is establish power structures.

01:55:06.000 Yes.

01:55:06.000 And they want to have power over the rest of the people in the group because they apparently have more things that are going against them.

01:55:12.000 Yes!

01:55:12.000 Finish what you were going to say.

01:55:14.000 My favorite story is there was an all-girls college, and this woman is running for president of student council, and she decides that she's a male.

01:55:24.000 She decides to change her gender. 0.97

01:55:26.000 The best. 1.00

01:55:26.000 And then the fucking kids... 1.00

01:55:28.000 She didn't get an operation there. 1.00

01:55:29.000 No, no, no.

01:55:30.000 She just decided.

01:55:31.000 She was masculine of centered genderqueer, was how she described herself. 0.93

01:55:37.000 But decided to change her name to a male's name.

01:55:40.000 Then, the women in the school were voting against her because she is now a white man. 0.99

01:55:46.000 And the white man is the patriarchy.

01:55:48.000 And it was the president of diversity or something like that. 0.56

01:55:52.000 Like some student council.

01:55:54.000 It becomes a form of madness.

01:55:55.000 President of diversity.

01:55:56.000 Did she go back?

01:55:57.000 I do not know.

01:55:59.000 I do not know.

01:56:00.000 Somebody sent me something about that.

01:56:01.000 Somebody said something about colleges have become these specialized, they specialize in subjects that have increasing irrelevance.

01:56:11.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing, man.

01:56:13.000 I think people automatically have this desire to stand out and be more important.

01:56:19.000 They automatically do.

01:56:20.000 It's just like a common thing.

01:56:21.000 And they can do it through merit, but merit, it's difficult.

01:56:24.000 Meritocracies are hard.

01:56:25.000 You might fall short. 1.00

01:56:26.000 Fuck yes. 1.00

01:56:26.000 And sometimes along the way, you see your meritocracy not working out for you. 1.00

01:56:32.000 You'll claim there's some sort of a conspiracy against you, and there might be.

01:56:36.000 You'll claim other people have privilege, and they might.

01:56:38.000 You'll claim all these reasons why you're not getting ahead.

01:56:41.000 And you might be right.

01:56:42.000 You might be right in some ways.

01:56:44.000 Because colleges are like this, aren't a lot of comics not doing the tours anymore?

01:56:48.000 Yeah, a lot of comics.

01:56:49.000 I stopped way before this.

01:56:55.000 I stopped doing colleges in the early 2000s for that very reason.

01:56:58.000 Really?

01:56:58.000 For that reason?

01:56:58.000 They wanted to limit you?

01:56:59.000 They were just way too sensitive and they didn't have life experience. 0.99

01:57:03.000 The problem is I like talking to people that have bills and jobs and people that have relationships that didn't work out so good and now they have a fucking kid but some lady who hates them. 0.99

01:57:11.000 That's my crowd. 0.98

01:57:12.000 You know? 0.99

01:57:16.000 I like talking to people that owe taxes, spending their fucking money trying to figure out what they're doing in their life. 1.00

01:57:22.000 They want to talk about real shit. 1.00

01:57:23.000 Meritocracies are my favorite. 0.99

01:57:25.000 Meritocracies are how you find out who's real, who really deserves it.

01:57:29.000 You don't do colleges anymore either, do you?

01:57:31.000 I don't.

01:57:32.000 It's just not a smart thing to do because those people in those colleges are very, very young.

01:57:37.000 You're dealing with 19-year-olds, 20-year-olds, and they're in this weird ideological bubble. 0.90

01:57:41.000 There's all these fucking people that are just jammed in together in this group, and everybody's trying to stand out in weird and unique ways, and there's people that are doing it by claiming they're Masculine ascender, genderqueer, and changing their name. 0.97

01:57:53.000 And wow, you're so unique. 0.99

01:57:54.000 You're so amazing.

01:57:55.000 And there's also people that are doing it because they're trying to buck that system.

01:57:58.000 They're becoming the Republicans on campus and people are calling them Nazis. 0.98

01:58:02.000 You know, there's a lot of fucking weirdness to being young. 0.99

01:58:04.000 Chappelle talks about that in his special where some woman rushed the stage. 0.99

01:58:08.000 We've suffered as much as you.

01:58:09.000 And he's like, hold on.

01:58:11.000 You're a white woman, then take it easy now. 0.93

01:58:13.000 I know you've suffered, but take it easy.

01:58:14.000 But just that thought, like, we've suffered as much as you, how does that invalidate this person's suffering?

01:58:19.000 If someone's on stage talking about their suffering, the nature of your suffering is invalid.

01:58:25.000 It's not relevant.

01:58:27.000 You can relate to that person, not relate, but the fact that you can stop them from talking, or that you think you can stop them from talking just because you've suffered yourself as well.

01:58:36.000 Like, what about me? 0.99

01:58:37.000 You're there for a fucking audience! 1.00

01:58:39.000 You're an audience member. 1.00

01:58:40.000 Your job is to sit down and listen. 0.75

01:58:42.000 If you want to be a performer, well, you need to fucking get an act, you need to get booked at the club, you need to become a professional, have people come and pay to see you, and then you can express yourself. 0.91

01:58:51.000 You're violating the audience versus performer rules. 0.83

01:58:55.000 I also think that people who are that sensitive, they haven't really figured out what they believe in.

01:59:01.000 They don't really believe in what they're saying.

01:59:03.000 They just belong to a group and they like being a good foot soldier.

01:59:06.000 They haven't really thought out why they're on that team.

01:59:10.000 Or they haven't been challenged.

01:59:10.000 They might have thought it out, but they've been thought it out with a bunch of other people that are thinking the same things that they think.

01:59:15.000 They felt it out.

01:59:16.000 It feels right.

01:59:17.000 It's not thought.

01:59:18.000 Well, she's going to do that on a live comedy show. 1.00

01:59:21.000 She has some serious issues.

01:59:22.000 There's a lot more going on there.

01:59:23.000 She rushed the stage. 1.00

01:59:24.000 That's a good point.

01:59:25.000 Like fat shaming.

01:59:27.000 There's another thing.

01:59:28.000 Fat shaming.

01:59:29.000 It's a very similar thing.

01:59:31.000 You're not supposed to talk about people being overweight.

01:59:33.000 You're not supposed to talk about people being fat.

01:59:34.000 You're not supposed to discuss it as being a real health issue.

01:59:37.000 That's crazy.

01:59:38.000 You're fat shaming them.

01:59:39.000 You talk about reality. 1.00

01:59:41.000 You talk about your friend with his bad back and his fucked up spine and has a hard time breathing. 0.99

01:59:46.000 Seriously, from the jump, right? 0.99

01:59:51.000 That's just a reality.

01:59:53.000 Being overweight, same thing, is what you're saying.

01:59:55.000 But it's worse, because it's by decisions that they've made that's allowed them to get that big.

02:00:01.000 If you just decided to not eat, that is a possible answer.

02:00:05.000 Now, we go back to determinism.

02:00:07.000 I've tried that.

02:00:07.000 How much of your life is...

02:00:08.000 You're a beautiful man.

02:00:09.000 Don't worry about it.

02:00:09.000 I've tried that.

02:00:10.000 You're fine.

02:00:11.000 We have suffered more than you, Brandon!

02:00:13.000 But if you go back to, you know, what we're talking about, about determinism, I mean, is your life, are you right now in the middle of conscious decision-making that's shaping your destiny, or are you a product of all your life experiences, all of the input that you've received, your genetics?

02:00:29.000 See, it's a very dangerous, scary area because I don't like taking personal responsibility away from people.

02:00:36.000 I don't like it either, but the reality about human bodies, and Rhonda Patrick was talking about this the other day, morbidly obese people have differences in their sperm that is transferred onto their children that does not exist when that person loses the weight.

02:00:50.000 When a person loses the weight, all those genetic problems go away.

02:00:56.000 They reverse themselves.

02:00:58.000 Then that raises another question.

02:01:00.000 If you do have a genetic propensity for whatever it might be – gambling, alcoholism, obesity – it doesn't mean as a human being you can't figure out a way to – Game the system so that you don't fall victim to it.

02:01:21.000 And we have to keep that open as a possibility so that my free will counts for a lot.

02:01:26.000 No, I'm with Rhonda Patrick.

02:01:27.000 Send all the fatties to another place. 1.00

02:01:29.000 But was Rhonda Patrick saying that obesity is passed down?

02:01:34.000 Yes.

02:01:34.000 Oh, wow!

02:01:35.000 She was saying that the genes that are problematic amongst obese people, those genes, they change when the person loses the weight.

02:01:44.000 So even if a person has gastric bypass surgery and they lose the weight and they get down to a normal weight where they're not obese anymore, their genes that they express and the way they transfer them to their children, they will be different.

02:01:57.000 Meaning that those kids could be skinny.

02:02:00.000 Like Al Roker's fine.

02:02:02.000 I have a friend who's overweight, and he has a daughter that's overweight, and she's approaching teenage years.

02:02:09.000 She's thick. 1.00

02:02:09.000 No, she's overweight. 1.00

02:02:11.000 That's what I mean by thick.

02:02:12.000 But she drinks tons of soda, and she eats tons of candy, and he's not a good friend.

02:02:17.000 It's just a guy that I know.

02:02:20.000 It's weird to watch, because it's like, well, I see where this is going.

02:02:24.000 Is he not educated, though, on nutrition?

02:02:26.000 No, no, he's not.

02:02:27.000 He's not a thinker.

02:02:29.000 I don't know the guy well enough. 1.00

02:02:32.000 Obviously, I would never comment on, hey, you've got to treat your fucking kid better. 1.00

02:02:36.000 But I see the kid, and I see the thing, and I was like, Jesus Christ, this kid's fucked. 1.00

02:02:40.000 Sometimes when they're happy and they're fat though, I appreciate it. 0.99

02:02:43.000 This kid's not happy.

02:02:44.000 So it's not a good...

02:02:45.000 It's just...

02:02:46.000 It's one of those things where, you know, if you make choices and then your children see those choices and make those same choices...

02:02:54.000 You know, you're responsible for passing that pattern on in some sort of a way.

02:02:59.000 And sometimes people don't realize that until someone like Rhonda Patrick says it.

02:03:02.000 And one of the things that Rhonda sent me was an email that she had gotten where someone sent to her this guy that was literally listening to that, eating some shitty food and put it down and decided there and then to make a change in his life.

02:03:14.000 He's like, I didn't think that this was gonna literally change my genes that I pass on to my children.

02:03:19.000 Wow, that's cool.

02:03:20.000 See, the more you learn about stuff, you get a lot of education, man.

02:03:24.000 Not of your destiny, but maybe your children's destiny.

02:03:26.000 Yeah, some people just don't know, man.

02:03:28.000 Well, you're not just, you're literally hamstringing them from birth. 1.00

02:03:31.000 If you're a fat fuck and you have these kids, sorry, fat shaming, you let it out of the gate, you know, and your children from the jump are dealing with all your poor choices and you have to see that, that's going to punish you. 1.00

02:03:43.000 A lot of it's education. 1.00

02:03:45.000 A lot of people just didn't know that, you know, it used to be like high-fiber, low-fat diets, how you lose weight, and people couldn't lose weight.

02:03:51.000 Then they were like, try not eating sugar and bread and things that spike your insulin.

02:03:55.000 Yeah, but then some people who are obese, are they saying it's a mental weakness, or is it a mental illness?

02:04:01.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:04:05.000 Everyone has the ability to do things different.

02:04:08.000 Nothing's stopping you from just cutting all the bad carbs out, cutting all the refined sugar, cutting all the refined carbohydrates, eating a very healthy diet, and then working out all the time and slowly but surely losing the weight and becoming healthy.

02:04:23.000 Nothing is physically stopping you from doing that, right?

02:04:26.000 So what is stopping you?

02:04:27.000 Well, there's a lot of behavior patterns that people deal with.

02:04:29.000 There's a lot of depression.

02:04:29.000 There's depression.

02:04:30.000 There's addiction.

02:04:31.000 What are those mechanisms?

02:04:32.000 And these are all things that we need to address, too.

02:04:35.000 You can't just say, hey, man, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

02:04:37.000 Because people don't know how to do it.

02:04:39.000 How do I get out of my own way?

02:04:40.000 They get depressed.

02:04:42.000 They feel terrible.

02:04:43.000 They feel maligned by society. 0.85

02:04:45.000 But I don't think helping them, I don't think you can help them by saying you're fat-shaming them by talking about the fact that being fat is gross. 0.74

02:04:52.000 Exactly. 0.56

02:04:53.000 Exactly.

02:04:53.000 It's just bad for you.

02:04:54.000 The world's going to do it anyway.

02:04:55.000 Yeah.

02:04:56.000 The world's going to do it quietly.

02:04:57.000 Yeah, you're going to feel it.

02:04:58.000 It's going to get there.

02:05:00.000 This is my problem with the side.

02:05:04.000 It's the right and the left, actually, on the fringes.

02:05:07.000 They're way more interested in punishment than they are persuasion.

02:05:10.000 You know, I know that we can pass lots of laws.

02:05:14.000 I know we can have workplace stuff that kind of like makes everybody safer, quote unquote.

02:05:19.000 It's just going to suppress behavior.

02:05:21.000 It's not going to change behavior.

02:05:23.000 You need to figure out a way.

02:05:24.000 If you're really serious about changing behavior, appeal to my heart and my mind and make it logical.

02:05:31.000 Through food.

02:05:32.000 When you teach me how to eat, the biggest issue I always find with keeping people motivated is, number one, they...

02:05:40.000 You can get pumped up.

02:05:42.000 You can go to a Tony Robbins seminar and get pumped up and really make a change.

02:05:46.000 The question is, how do you keep inspired day to day?

02:05:50.000 How do you stay inspired?

02:05:51.000 You know that comment about inspiration, that inspiration is like bathing.

02:05:54.000 It's effective, but it has to be done regularly.

02:05:56.000 Yeah.

02:05:57.000 Yeah, it's good.

02:05:58.000 I think community and information, these two are huge.

02:06:02.000 You have to be around like-minded people that also want to do the same thing.

02:06:05.000 That helps. 1.00

02:06:06.000 When you're around fucking lazy cunts who don't want to do shit, they're always making excuses, it fucking trips you up. 1.00

02:06:11.000 It's real bad. 1.00

02:06:12.000 So if you have friends that are always making excuses, you gotta push them away.

02:06:16.000 You gotta separate.

02:06:17.000 Tell them, hey man, this is how I feel.

02:06:18.000 I feel like you're always crying about stuff, and you're always thinking, woe is me, and you trip us all up.

02:06:24.000 It's a negative cloud.

02:06:26.000 Give them the opportunity to see how you see them, and if not, you've got to find other people that are more motivated to improve their life.

02:06:33.000 Then, information.

02:06:34.000 And in community and information, I also include things like this podcast.

02:06:39.000 Anytime people are talking about these things, uninhibited, uninterrupted, and uncensored, where you get to see the real thoughts that they have, and then Backed up by information from people like Rhonda Patrick, from scientists, from peer-reviewed studies, things that you read, you get a sense of like, oh, I'm not alone in this, okay?

02:06:58.000 There's a bunch of other people that are thinking about these issues as well. 0.79

02:07:00.000 Like, what can we do, what can I do on a personal level to get past whatever weird shit I'm tripping up on my life? 0.98

02:07:07.000 Why do I keep smoking cigarettes? 0.99

02:07:09.000 Why do I keep lighting these fucking things up? 1.00

02:07:11.000 How come after work I just go for the ice cubes and start pouring scotch? 0.99

02:07:14.000 Why do I do that?

02:07:15.000 Why do I do that?

02:07:16.000 And all these people have to come to grips with this and having a community of people.

02:07:20.000 Like, I learned a shitload when we did that Sober October thing, man.

02:07:24.000 I learned a shitload.

02:07:25.000 Because I don't have a drinking problem, but knowing that I can't drink. 0.95

02:07:31.000 It's like inhibiting myself from that, no smoking, and then also having these 15 fucking yoga classes that we had to do, 90-minute yoga classes in a month.

02:07:39.000 It was a lot of everything. 0.94

02:07:40.000 But it was also that we were doing it together.

02:07:42.000 That Bert was doing it, Tom was doing it, Ari was doing it, I was doing it.

02:07:45.000 We were all doing it together.

02:07:46.000 We fed off of each other.

02:07:47.000 And at the end of it, when we were all celebrating and got through it, I was like, I learned a lot from this.

02:07:52.000 I learned a lot from this about the power of community.

02:07:55.000 I learned a lot from this about having things that you have to do.

02:07:58.000 Like, you just have to do those 15 classes.

02:08:00.000 Accountable to each other.

02:08:01.000 Yes, exactly.

02:08:02.000 Where if you're just trying it yourself, it's going to be tough, man.

02:08:04.000 It's tough.

02:08:05.000 It's tough.

02:08:05.000 But community and information.

02:08:07.000 Those two things are gigantic.

02:08:09.000 Yeah.

02:08:09.000 Community is big, man.

02:08:10.000 So get rid of your fat friends. 0.99

02:08:12.000 It's not just information, but education. 1.00

02:08:13.000 There's a difference.

02:08:14.000 Don't have fat friends is what you're telling me.

02:08:15.000 But I have fat friends. 0.97

02:08:16.000 Hold on, man. 0.99

02:08:17.000 Some of them are fucking awesome. 0.97

02:08:18.000 You know? 0.73

02:08:20.000 If they wanted to change and they were bitching about it and they didn't do anything about it, then it would be a problem.

02:08:26.000 But some people are functional as fat people.

02:08:28.000 And they're also happy and I celebrate it.

02:08:30.000 I like fat people.

02:08:31.000 You know, look, some people are fat and they don't drink and they don't smoke and they don't eat bad food.

02:08:36.000 They just eat too much or they eat a lot of pizza or something like that.

02:08:38.000 And then there's some people that are fat and whine and complain and they're always depressed.

02:08:43.000 I don't have friends like that.

02:08:44.000 That's a problem.

02:08:45.000 I don't have happy fat.

02:08:46.000 And they're not good at anything.

02:08:47.000 This is the other thing. 0.98

02:08:48.000 You've got to be fucking good at something. 0.97

02:08:50.000 Have something that you have joy in, whether it's a game that you like to play or whether it's a hobby that you pursue. 0.99

02:08:56.000 Well, I would say Big Country has the good kind of fat. 1.00

02:08:59.000 He could give a fuck and he'll knock you out. 1.00

02:09:02.000 But here's the thing. 1.00

02:09:03.000 Would Big Country have been a world-class fighter at 185 pounds?

02:09:07.000 He wasn't a heavyweight.

02:09:09.000 That's a weird example, baby, yeah.

02:09:10.000 But yeah, but think about that.

02:09:12.000 Think of Big Country if he went on a crazy good diet.

02:09:15.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:09:16.000 Because it goes back to- Guy's a fucking animal. 0.99

02:09:18.000 It goes back to also the idea that- Fighting Matt. 1.00

02:09:20.000 Part of his ability to fight- Stay calm, you know, perform under pressure might be the fact that he could give a fuck. 0.99

02:09:29.000 Like if you get too controlling about your weight, you might get too controlling. 0.98

02:09:33.000 It might be a mindset that you can't divest from in everything else.

02:09:38.000 If you get too calculated with everything you're doing and you step in an octagon, something goes wrong.

02:09:43.000 You're not as loose, maybe.

02:09:44.000 I don't know. 0.95

02:09:45.000 Or you're a mighty mouse.

02:09:46.000 Or you're a professional.

02:09:47.000 Or you're a professional. 1.00

02:09:49.000 Or you're a fucking George St. Pierre. 1.00

02:09:52.000 Who's a control... 1.00

02:09:53.000 A lot of champions are control freaks to the nth degree.

02:09:58.000 Lance Armstrong. 0.99

02:09:59.000 I mean, he had that shit down to a science to read about it. 0.99

02:10:03.000 And greatest of all time. 0.99

02:10:05.000 Yeah, it's a weird conversation, right?

02:10:08.000 It's like, where do you draw the line?

02:10:12.000 What is more important, performance or happiness, right?

02:10:16.000 That's another thing, because sometimes your performance, in order to reach the real peak levels of performance, especially to maintain it as a champion, you're not necessarily going to be happy.

02:10:26.000 No.

02:10:27.000 You might be happy in brief moments after you win.

02:10:30.000 Wouldn't that be in everything though?

02:10:31.000 Just not with fighting, all sports, but even entertainment.

02:10:35.000 If you want to be the top, top comedian, you're going to suffer.

02:10:39.000 You're going to have to be selfish where you're not spending as much time with your family.

02:10:43.000 You're on the road.

02:10:44.000 You're doing this.

02:10:46.000 I think it's with anything.

02:10:48.000 If you want to be the tip of the spear there, there's going to be some selfishness there.

02:10:53.000 Yeah, and here's the other ironic thing.

02:10:55.000 That if you do spend too much time away from friends, away from family, you won't be as good.

02:11:01.000 Because you won't be as compelling.

02:11:03.000 It's like you have to find the balancing act.

02:11:05.000 You have to find a balancing act, or you won't be, like, happy.

02:11:09.000 Like, one of the things that I, the guy I always bring up is Richard Jenny, who eventually committed suicide.

02:11:13.000 And I think, to this day, he's one of the greatest comics of all time. 0.99

02:11:17.000 The guy was fucking completely miserable. 1.00

02:11:19.000 And he had mental issues, obviously. 1.00

02:11:21.000 He had mental health issues, which led him to commit suicide.

02:11:24.000 How long ago?

02:11:25.000 2007. Dude, if you're a comic, you're trying to do stand-up, you gotta watch Richard Jennings.

02:11:31.000 Listen to a big steaming pile of me.

02:11:34.000 I tell everybody to get it. 0.99

02:11:34.000 It's fucking brilliant. 0.99

02:11:36.000 He's the most underrated of all time. 0.99

02:11:38.000 He really is.

02:11:39.000 And he was miserable?

02:11:40.000 Yeah, he's my top 20 all-time Greatest.

02:11:43.000 He's in there, and most people don't even know who he is.

02:11:44.000 He's just a tortured soul, or what's going on?

02:11:46.000 Yeah, yeah, tortured.

02:11:47.000 Yeah, he did a lot of plastic surgery. 0.99

02:11:49.000 Allegedly had pec implants, had a bunch of shit done to his face. 0.99

02:11:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:11:53.000 A lot of shit done. 0.99

02:11:54.000 He wanted to be Jim Carrey. 1.00

02:11:55.000 Wanted to be some leading man.

02:11:57.000 But what he didn't realize along the way was, well, this was the thing back in those days, in the 80s and 90s.

02:12:03.000 Everybody wanted to be a TV star.

02:12:05.000 They all wanted to be on Home Improvement.

02:12:07.000 They wanted to have their own show like Roseanne. 0.99

02:12:09.000 Didn't work out for everybody, and he was one of the guys that didn't work out for, but what he did have that he wasn't getting recognition for was some of the best fucking stand-up ever. 0.97

02:12:17.000 Wow. 0.90

02:12:18.000 His stand-up is so good.

02:12:19.000 But that wasn't enough for him?

02:12:20.000 It wasn't enough for him.

02:12:21.000 And why?

02:12:22.000 I don't know.

02:12:23.000 I mean, dude, a lot of comics, especially back then, it's different now.

02:12:26.000 It's different now than it was back then, but the community of comics is so, like, uh...

02:12:32.000 It's so tight and so welcoming now.

02:12:36.000 It used to be way different, right?

02:12:39.000 Something happened.

02:12:41.000 Not a warm group.

02:12:43.000 Not just that.

02:12:44.000 Everybody was all for themselves. 0.86

02:12:48.000 If you went to see a guy on the road, they usually took some guy with them that sucked, and that guy would do 15-20 minutes of shitty stand-up, and then this person would go out there and look like a god.

02:12:58.000 And that was the standard move that everybody did.

02:13:01.000 George Carlin, for the longest time, took this guy on the road with him that didn't work any other places.

02:13:05.000 And there's a lot of those guys.

02:13:07.000 They'll take a guy that works on the road only with them.

02:13:10.000 They literally don't even work as a professional outside of opening for them.

02:13:13.000 Wow. 0.94

02:13:14.000 And they'll do this shitty act, and then this guy comes on and looks like a guy. 0.96

02:13:17.000 Just to make him look good. 0.77

02:13:18.000 Just to make them look good.

02:13:19.000 And that was what the standard move was.

02:13:22.000 And then something happened, and I don't know what it is.

02:13:25.000 I think there's a bunch of factors.

02:13:26.000 But I think one of the factors that happened was that there was more opportunity available, so there wasn't this feeling of scarcity.

02:13:32.000 Because before, when it was just everybody trying to get a network show, everybody was like, hey man, you might be trying for the same part I'm trying for.

02:13:39.000 I want to be the host of The Tonight Show.

02:13:40.000 You want to be the host of The Tonight Show. 1.00

02:13:42.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:13:42.000 It's all every man for himself. 1.00

02:13:44.000 Fewer slots.

02:13:45.000 Fewer slots.

02:13:45.000 Fewer ways to make a living.

02:13:46.000 Then in the 2000s it opened up and the internet sort of opened up all these different possibilities and then guys like us realized, hey, I don't really get represented correctly in anything that I do that other people write.

02:14:00.000 What I need to do is figure out how to just be myself.

02:14:02.000 That's right. 0.97

02:14:03.000 Like, people have this distorted idea of who you are because you hosted Fear Factor, or you were on Mad TV as Pool Boy, or whatever the fuck it is. 0.96

02:14:10.000 Like, this is how they view you. 0.90

02:14:12.000 And you go, no, I did that, but I also do this, and I'm also this person.

02:14:17.000 And back then, you couldn't do that.

02:14:19.000 It didn't exist before there was the internet and before you could actually express yourself completely uncensored.

02:14:25.000 So I think that that led people to be, like, much more scarcity-minded, much more famine-thinking.

02:14:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:14:32.000 You know, and famine thinking is the fucking enemy of community. 0.99

02:14:35.000 As soon as you have famine thinking. 0.98

02:14:37.000 Especially being creative.

02:14:37.000 It's funny you say that because there's this amazing book I just finished.

02:14:40.000 You should have this guy on your podcast, Dan Coyle.

02:14:42.000 Did you send me that?

02:14:43.000 Is that the one you sent me?

02:14:44.000 It's called The Culture Code.

02:14:45.000 He wrote The Talent Code, too.

02:14:46.000 He studied highly successful groups, SEAL Team 6. Oh, this is all you're talking about.

02:14:50.000 about yeah seal team six uh uh fucking uh even jewelry thieves so they were like these amazing jewel thieves they studied them and they were these guys and they would come in they stole from a in the middle of the day in tokyo 105 million dollars worth of diamonds i think they went to monaco same thing stole like 50 million dollars worth and got away in speedboats right i mean 0.99

02:15:14.000 I mean, these guys would come in, 45 seconds, come in, bash, and they were like, holy fuck, they couldn't figure it out. 0.98

02:15:22.000 Speedboats. 0.99

02:15:22.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:15:23.000 I mean, they were daring and they would treat the people in the stores roughly, but they didn't kill anybody.

02:15:28.000 But they and they were strong.

02:15:30.000 They looked athletic.

02:15:31.000 And they were like, all right, this is obviously, obviously, probably Archon's Tigers from the Serbian war.

02:15:39.000 They're clearly Serbians.

02:15:40.000 Serbian Crow out special forces guys right they just they were just too organized they were like like literally they moved They would dress up as women. 1.00

02:15:51.000 They'd come in like these beautiful women.

02:15:53.000 Turns out they were men, but they look like women. 0.80

02:15:55.000 Well, there's no biological difference.

02:15:57.000 Right, thank you.

02:15:59.000 But they'd get away with, let me say it again, $105 million in diamonds at a time. 1.00

02:16:05.000 Crazy shit. 0.99

02:16:05.000 The most successful of all time. 0.99

02:16:07.000 So...

02:16:11.000 They're constantly stymied by this idea. 0.99

02:16:13.000 Who the fuck were these guys? 0.99

02:16:14.000 They've got to be a military unit. 1.00

02:16:17.000 Turns out, nah, they sure weren't.

02:16:19.000 They were middle-class Serbian kids who'd grown up together.

02:16:24.000 They were all friends.

02:16:25.000 Some were, one guy was, he studied to be a lawyer.

02:16:29.000 Another one studied to be a journalist.

02:16:30.000 Another one, these are men and women, by the way.

02:16:33.000 Another one studied, played basketball, kind of like for a second.

02:16:37.000 Almost made a pro, but didn't.

02:16:39.000 Nothing that remarkable.

02:16:40.000 Middle-class kids.

02:16:42.000 They all, however—and there was no leader.

02:16:45.000 There was no mastermind.

02:16:46.000 They thought, there's got to be a mastermind.

02:16:47.000 I've got to find the mastermind.

02:16:48.000 There's always a mastermind that they bring the jewels back to.

02:16:51.000 Nah, not that either.

02:16:53.000 They were just a loose confederation of friends from three different towns, I think, who'd known each other since childhood.

02:17:00.000 And they had—they'd grown up in the war.

02:17:02.000 So they had a taste for action and adventure.

02:17:08.000 But they were all close.

02:17:09.000 And they would get together and they would plan out these whole heists.

02:17:15.000 And the way they would do it, the way they would do it, was fascinating.

02:17:20.000 Because there was no boss.

02:17:22.000 They would just spitball ideas.

02:17:24.000 And everybody was safe, not only to come up with a good idea, but everybody was also safe to sort of like...

02:17:31.000 To be wrong.

02:17:33.000 So he went and found the one guy that every SEAL Team 6... 0.99

02:17:38.000 SEAL Team 6 is fucking... 0.99

02:17:39.000 Who's the one guy, he said. 1.00

02:17:41.000 I want the one guy that's the baddest of the fucking bad. 0.99

02:17:44.000 I want the guy... 0.99

02:17:45.000 Because they are such an effective group.

02:17:48.000 And you and I are friends with Andy Stumpf, and we know some guys.

02:17:53.000 And every one of them was like, Dave Cooper.

02:17:55.000 Dave Cooper is the dude.

02:17:57.000 He's like the Hicks and Gracie of Navy SEALs. 0.99

02:18:00.000 And, oh fuck, I want to find this badass, this, who's this Francis Ngannou, Chino type, you know. 0.99

02:18:06.000 Right. 0.99

02:18:06.000 Shows up, guess what? 0.99

02:18:08.000 He's a regular white dude.

02:18:09.000 Just a regular, very fit, but he's a regular dude.

02:18:12.000 Bring up Dave Cooper for a second, really.

02:18:15.000 And Dave is the kind of guy who'd be like, he's like, what do I call you?

02:18:19.000 He was like, he's like 20-year, like SEAL Team 6, Dev Group Commando. 0.85

02:18:23.000 He's like, you can call me Dave Cooper Fuckface, it's up to you.

02:18:26.000 That guy looks regular? 1.00

02:18:27.000 That guy looks like a fucking eagle. 1.00

02:18:29.000 Look at his eyes. 1.00

02:18:30.000 He looks like you're a salmon, he's gonna swoop down and scoop you out of a fucking river. 1.00

02:18:34.000 He should be in the dictionary as American. 1.00

02:18:36.000 Just a picture of fucking Dave Cooper. 0.99

02:18:39.000 He's fucking awesome. 1.00

02:18:40.000 America. 0.98

02:18:42.000 That guy's so American.

02:18:43.000 But he would study these guys, and when they would come up with ideas, very democratic.

02:18:47.000 He wants to hear from everybody. 0.99

02:18:49.000 There's no stupid question. 0.99

02:18:51.000 Right, ego doesn't get in the way. 1.00

02:18:52.000 No! 0.99

02:18:53.000 All that matters is, I might be an idiot and wrong, all that matters is I want results. 1.00

02:18:58.000 That's all it is. 0.96

02:18:59.000 And when you study these highly effective groups, and they look like great basketball teams, Popovich, you love this, Popovich, I didn't know that the- That the Spurs are the most winning in the past 20 years.

02:19:10.000 The most winningest team in the past 20 years.

02:19:12.000 Winningest American team in the past 20 years.

02:19:15.000 And it's the same way.

02:19:16.000 His ability to kind of like... 1.00

02:19:18.000 He's a fucking... 1.00

02:19:19.000 He drafted Tim Duncan. 1.00

02:19:20.000 Volcanic temper.

02:19:22.000 Volcanic temper.

02:19:22.000 What does that mean?

02:19:23.000 Who's Tim Duncan?

02:19:24.000 One of the greatest basketball players of all time.

02:19:26.000 Mr. Fundamentals.

02:19:27.000 Hall of Famer.

02:19:28.000 But as far as his team is concerned, it's not a lot of superstars.

02:19:32.000 It's also the way they structure the team, Brennan.

02:19:35.000 They've done some studies.

02:19:36.000 He has amazing players, though, no doubt.

02:19:38.000 Yeah, but he also makes amazing players in how they work together, in fundamentals, and how they work together, and how they communicate.

02:19:45.000 That's a good question, too.

02:19:46.000 What makes a great team?

02:19:48.000 Is a great team just having killer individual players, or is it having really good individual players in a killer environment and they all grow and get better together?

02:19:56.000 They've done studies on that.

02:19:57.000 You've got to think that a guy who's in the NFL, say, for his first year, as long as he doesn't get injured, if he keeps playing and he keeps hustling and keeps learning, he's going to be better in two years, right?

02:20:07.000 Yeah.

02:20:07.000 If he doesn't get injured.

02:20:08.000 NBA's probably better because you don't get injured as much.

02:20:10.000 Yeah.

02:20:10.000 But you've got to think that these players are going to get better at basketball, better at competing under pressure, and get better at playing together.

02:20:16.000 They're all going to get better.

02:20:17.000 These guys were talking about this before the podcast.

02:20:19.000 The best team in the world, the Golden State Warriors, they call them a super team, but they were drafted.

02:20:26.000 They added Kevin Durant, which makes him even better, who's one of the best players in the league, top three.

02:20:30.000 But before that, they were all drafted and came up together.

02:20:33.000 So they play as a team.

02:20:35.000 Now they're unstoppable.

02:20:36.000 Instead of like a Cleveland or a Miami, you know, we just put all these superstars together, Houston or OKC, the Golden State Warriors were draft and they came up as a team.

02:20:46.000 Now they're a super team.

02:20:47.000 But even like teams, I don't know a whole lot about teams, but teams that grow up, that get put together, they depend upon some sense of community.

02:20:55.000 And when that community falls apart, like remember when Shaq and Kobe were beefing?

02:20:59.000 Yeah.

02:21:00.000 It was a real problem.

02:21:01.000 It was a real problem because they were playing on the same team and Shaq was doing raps about Kobe. 0.99

02:21:06.000 It was a fucking real problem. 0.95

02:21:07.000 And that kills things because the minute somebody has dominion just on who they are over the group, that becomes a problem because everybody has to share ideas. 0.99

02:21:16.000 This structural engineer, you heard me talking about this structural engineer and this architect, he did this amazing study where he took CEOs, lawyers, Business students and kindergartners.

02:21:28.000 And he said, okay, here's the task.

02:21:32.000 26 pieces of uncooked spaghetti, a yard of tape, a yard of string, and a marshmallow.

02:21:39.000 Might be one last thing, I can't remember.

02:21:42.000 Whoever makes the tallest structure is the one that wins.

02:21:46.000 CEOs, lawyers, Kindergarteners.

02:21:51.000 Kindergarteners figured it out.

02:21:52.000 Because of the way they approached the problem.

02:21:54.000 Nobody had invisible ideas of authority.

02:21:57.000 Nobody had sort of, this guy might know more than me, I'm not going to say my thing. 0.69

02:22:00.000 They were like, no, yes, we're all fucking, I'm coming up with my idea.

02:22:05.000 And they were like, no, let me do this. 0.92

02:22:06.000 And they would just fight over the idea.

02:22:08.000 But it was the best idea.

02:22:09.000 Who was listening to the kindergartner?

02:22:10.000 The best idea would win. 0.99

02:22:11.000 They'd be like, shut up, kid, you're five. 1.00

02:22:12.000 Shut your ass up. 1.00

02:22:13.000 No, they were all together. 1.00

02:22:14.000 It was groups of four.

02:22:15.000 So there are four kindergartners.

02:22:16.000 But the kindergartners, the four of them figured it out?

02:22:18.000 Yeah, they built a 26-inch structure.

02:22:20.000 And the second one was the CEOs.

02:22:22.000 They built a 22-inch structure. 1.00

02:22:23.000 Well, CEOs are thinking about cocaine and pussy. 1.00

02:22:25.000 Probably. 0.99

02:22:25.000 And how their stocks are doing. 0.99

02:22:27.000 They're too distracted. 0.99

02:22:28.000 Yeah, they probably didn't give a fuck. 0.99

02:22:29.000 It's a question of, like, what makes children learn better? 0.99

02:22:32.000 You know, I... I watch kids, obviously, I have them, and I watch them learn things.

02:22:38.000 And it's interesting how some kids learn things really quickly, and some kids don't.

02:22:44.000 And how parents just really don't have the ability to learn at the same level the kids do.

02:22:48.000 So I'm like, well, what is it?

02:22:50.000 Is it a physical limitation?

02:22:51.000 Is it a clarity thing?

02:22:54.000 Is it an ego thing?

02:22:55.000 Is it your identity that holds you back?

02:22:57.000 I think it's the amount of time and energy that you put towards something.

02:23:01.000 And whether or not you're willing to be obsessed by it, Yes and no, though, Joe.

02:23:04.000 And I think that some parents and some people that are adults just do not have the same kind of time that a nine-year-old has to think about things all day.

02:23:13.000 They don't have the same amount of things in their head.

02:23:15.000 They have too many bills and stresses and distractions and things pulling them away in different angles.

02:23:21.000 And they don't have this sense of who they are the way an adult does.

02:23:25.000 That sense of who you are could be very limiting.

02:23:28.000 You can have this decision that you have in your head.

02:23:31.000 You put brackets on yourself.

02:23:32.000 Yeah, that's a big part of it.

02:23:34.000 They've done a shitload of study on that.

02:23:35.000 There's a huge body of study on what conditions are the most effective to learn in.

02:23:42.000 I mean, they've done a lot of work on this.

02:23:44.000 And one of the main things that lends itself to learning fast and well is just the idea that you're psychologically safe.

02:23:53.000 The idea that, first of all, there's no shame in making mistakes.

02:23:58.000 That's huge.

02:23:58.000 Can't be afraid to fail.

02:24:00.000 Yeah, man, and you will fail.

02:24:01.000 But there has to be competition, too. 0.99

02:24:03.000 Like, it has to feel like shit when you do fail. 0.99

02:24:06.000 Because if it doesn't feel like shit when you fail, there's always the thing that you learn when you win. 0.99

02:24:11.000 But you learn more when you lose. 0.98

02:24:12.000 Way more.

02:24:13.000 You learn a lot more. 0.98

02:24:14.000 And I think failing and feeling like shit is important to re-energize, re-motivate, re-focus, and then to recognize this is a bad feeling. 0.96

02:24:21.000 I don't like this feeling. 0.98

02:24:23.000 I have to work harder.

02:24:24.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:24:24.000 There has to be repercussions to you failing.

02:24:26.000 Otherwise you don't learn much.

02:24:27.000 No, that's true.

02:24:28.000 But you need somebody, if you're a young person, you need somebody to help you navigate out of that space.

02:24:31.000 Yes, for sure. 0.99

02:24:32.000 Because if you don't and you feel like shit and then you're shamed, you're told usually you're just not as good. 0.99

02:24:38.000 Right. 0.99

02:24:38.000 And you're not going to be able to get as good. 0.99

02:24:40.000 What happens is people quit.

02:24:41.000 Some people, though.

02:24:43.000 Dude, some people.

02:24:44.000 Some people don't, and they dig their heels in, and they get stronger mentally because of that.

02:24:48.000 Depends on the person.

02:24:49.000 So you need somebody to help you realize, hey, hold on. 1.00

02:24:52.000 Learning is a bitch. 1.00

02:24:54.000 Learning is a motherfucker. 1.00

02:24:56.000 Don't worry. 1.00

02:24:57.000 This is part of the process.

02:24:58.000 So let me help you navigate your way out.

02:25:00.000 So the biggest thing that they always do is make you realize that mistakes are Necessary, important, and just as good at this stage. 0.99

02:25:09.000 They feel like shit. 1.00

02:25:10.000 Of course they do. 1.00

02:25:11.000 They come with all kinds of weird feelings. 0.97

02:25:13.000 Let's stay in this, stay in this, learn how to stay uncomfortable in this, and let's figure out a way to get the fuck out of this.

02:25:20.000 Right, because the real killers and the real winners, they're going to be killers and winners in any sort of scenario, but you can develop more winners if you have a better structure. 1.00

02:25:27.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:25:28.000 Yes. 1.00

02:25:28.000 And a better learning environment. 1.00

02:25:30.000 And then also, the community will be better.

02:25:32.000 Yes. 0.97

02:25:33.000 We keep coming back to that, but I think this is goddamn gigantic. 0.93

02:25:36.000 And we're not just talking about community in the sense of people that know each other on a one-on-one, individual basis. 0.67

02:25:41.000 What you guys have done with your podcast is create a community.

02:25:44.000 I see the community interacting with itself.

02:25:46.000 I see you guys interacting with your fans.

02:25:49.000 You've made a community of fun, silly people that get together when they come to see your shows. 0.99

02:25:53.000 That's because he and I are silly. 0.99

02:25:54.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.98

02:25:56.000 But this is also community.

02:25:59.000 This is even people that don't physically know each other.

02:26:01.000 It becomes a thing, you know?

02:26:04.000 And I think that that is one of the least discussed but most important parts of happiness and most important parts of developing.

02:26:15.000 I agree.

02:26:15.000 It's community.

02:26:16.000 Yeah, man.

02:26:17.000 It's giant.

02:26:17.000 Yeah.

02:26:18.000 Yeah, it is.

02:26:19.000 And also, like, learning...

02:26:22.000 We had a really good discussion about the podcast and it was funny how...

02:26:25.000 I'm going to piss.

02:26:26.000 We're going to come back. 1.00

02:26:27.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:26:27.000 You're taking a piss break? 1.00

02:26:29.000 What? 1.00

02:26:29.000 I fucked up. 1.00

02:26:30.000 Dude, I haven't eaten today. 1.00

02:26:30.000 I feel like I'm going to throw up. 1.00

02:26:31.000 I drink so much caffeine. 0.98

02:26:32.000 Last time I shit my pants really together, I don't know what's going on. 0.87

02:26:35.000 Learning is important. 0.56

02:26:36.000 Let's talk about Cyborg Holly when you get back. 0.97

02:26:38.000 I like that.

02:26:39.000 That's the first time. 0.99

02:26:40.000 Let's talk about Cyborg Holly when you get back and Brian, you take a fucking... 0.99

02:26:43.000 You take a break. 0.99

02:26:45.000 I want to talk about Cyborg Holly.

02:26:46.000 What were we talking about?

02:26:48.000 About how when we have an issue that we want to make the podcast better or whatever... 0.99

02:26:54.000 Oh, when I called you and said you suck on the podcast? 0.97

02:26:56.000 The first thing you do is take care of... 0.98

02:26:57.000 You make sure my feelings are...

02:26:59.000 You take care of my feelings.

02:27:02.000 I do the same thing with you.

02:27:03.000 We want to make sure that... 0.99

02:27:05.000 Hey, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:27:06.000 I'm just telling you. 0.99

02:27:07.000 We got some research on the podcast.

02:27:10.000 I called Brian and said, here's where we get the most listeners.

02:27:12.000 Here's where people turn it off.

02:27:13.000 Here's where we do this.

02:27:15.000 I tell Brian this all the time.

02:27:17.000 I go...

02:27:18.000 Listen, they might turn off here, but we didn't create this thing to decide what people like and what don't like.

02:27:25.000 If you want to do fucking an hour of what you want to do, we're doing what we want to do.

02:27:31.000 And if they like it, great, but that's how this thing got to where it's at. 0.95

02:27:34.000 So we're going to do whatever you want to do.

02:27:36.000 That being said...

02:27:38.000 You got to quit doing that.

02:27:39.000 No, but that being said, you got to be responsive to the evidence.

02:27:41.000 No, I just told him, I said, if you want to do it, do it.

02:27:43.000 I'm down, but here's the feedback we're getting.

02:27:46.000 Yeah, be responsive to the evidence.

02:27:47.000 So let's do what you want to do, though, but here's the evidence.

02:27:49.000 Yeah, and so if you're not going to be responsive to the evidence, you're done.

02:27:53.000 You're done.

02:27:54.000 And just keep doing your own thing.

02:27:56.000 You'll peep when I signal at you.

02:27:59.000 You'll peep when I signal at you.

02:28:03.000 We've never had that issue where we're like, I have to do this. 0.99

02:28:06.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:28:08.000 Every single time, even in fights, we'll get a fucking text. 1.00

02:28:11.000 Amen, sorry. 0.99

02:28:12.000 A little out of line there.

02:28:14.000 All that matters is what works. 0.97

02:28:15.000 I don't give a fuck about being right. 0.95

02:28:17.000 I want to learn. 0.97

02:28:18.000 I'm your sensei, though.

02:28:20.000 We've established that.

02:28:21.000 And now that we're on Rogan...

02:28:22.000 Look at me right now.

02:28:24.000 Not Rogan's gone.

02:28:25.000 Call me Road Dogg. 1.00

02:28:27.000 I'm gonna kick you in the nuts. 1.00

02:28:28.000 You're not a fucking Road Dogg, bro. 1.00

02:28:29.000 And you call me Sensei. 1.00

02:28:31.000 No, call me Road Dogg. 1.00

02:28:31.000 If you call me Road Pup, I'm gonna fuck your nuts up. 1.00

02:28:34.000 Bro, I have the flu and I'll still fight you. 1.00

02:28:36.000 Listen to me right now.

02:28:37.000 Call me Road Dogg, though.

02:28:38.000 I'm not calling you Road Dogg. 0.96

02:28:39.000 You're a Road Pup. 0.95

02:28:40.000 He's a Road Pup.

02:28:40.000 He's not a Road Dogg yet.

02:28:42.000 No, he's not.

02:28:42.000 You feel uncomfortable that he sells more tickets than you?

02:28:44.000 I was gonna get to that.

02:28:46.000 I was going to get to that.

02:28:47.000 Seems weird.

02:28:47.000 Now that you ruined my Christmas with that, because he sold out the Wilbur.

02:28:50.000 Seems weird.

02:28:51.000 Wow.

02:28:52.000 Why are you laughing right now?

02:28:53.000 He sold it out a month in his day.

02:28:54.000 Why are you laughing?

02:28:55.000 Seems uncomfortable.

02:28:56.000 Dude, why are you laughing?

02:28:57.000 You're not a good friend.

02:28:58.000 You've broken a wedge.

02:29:00.000 I'm a very good friend.

02:29:01.000 You put a wedge between us now.

02:29:03.000 The podcast will never be the same.

02:29:05.000 And why are you laughing?

02:29:06.000 I want you guys to think about this.

02:29:07.000 I'm a good friend.

02:29:08.000 Because I want you to think about this.

02:29:10.000 This is a real issue.

02:29:11.000 What?

02:29:12.000 Well, this is why he wants to diminish you.

02:29:14.000 Call you road puppy.

02:29:14.000 Should be proud of you.

02:29:15.000 Yeah, bro.

02:29:16.000 Should be proud of you.

02:29:17.000 I am!

02:29:17.000 I went to Dublin.

02:29:19.000 Shut up. 1.00

02:29:19.000 Australia. 1.00

02:29:20.000 Call me.

02:29:20.000 Call me road dog.

02:29:21.000 I'm not calling you that. 1.00

02:29:22.000 I'm going to fuck you up. 1.00

02:29:22.000 You haven't heard that yet. 1.00

02:29:23.000 And you call me sensei when I give you advice.

02:29:26.000 I don't like when I say, hey, try this, and you go, okay.

02:29:28.000 Makes me uncomfortable with you wanting to force that on him.

02:29:30.000 Okay.

02:29:31.000 Yeah, right?

02:29:31.000 Sensei.

02:29:32.000 Weird.

02:29:32.000 No, I don't call you sensei.

02:29:33.000 You stay the fuck. 1.00

02:29:35.000 Get the fuck out of this, bro. 1.00

02:29:36.000 Listen, I've been a comedian for almost 30 years. 0.99

02:29:38.000 I think I'm allowed to talk about this.

02:29:39.000 And I also am a very good friend of Brendan Schaub's.

02:29:42.000 And I don't feel the need to diminish him.

02:29:44.000 In fact, I pump him up at every chance I can.

02:29:47.000 My man.

02:29:48.000 Oh my god.

02:29:49.000 Hey, why don't you guys pump him up all the time?

02:29:51.000 Why don't you move in together?

02:29:53.000 We were just having a conversation on text the other day where I was telling him how proud I was of him and about how he hustles and then he's got discipline and I think that's one of the things that holds a lot of comedians back.

02:30:02.000 They don't have the kind of discipline.

02:30:03.000 This guy's out there doing things a couple years into comedy that guys who've been doing comedy for 10-15 years can't do.

02:30:10.000 Well, let's just keep this humorous for a sec.

02:30:11.000 I'm trying to mess with him.

02:30:13.000 I'm a road dog, though.

02:30:15.000 You call me a road dog, alright, P? I don't want to be called a road dog, either.

02:30:19.000 So, I don't know if that's a good thing to want to be called.

02:30:21.000 What do you want to be called?

02:30:22.000 A road wolf? 1.00

02:30:22.000 Well, just a fucking comedian. 1.00

02:30:23.000 A road wolf? 1.00

02:30:24.000 I have an inner wolf.

02:30:25.000 Oh, no.

02:30:28.000 It's inside me.

02:30:28.000 I can't control it.

02:30:30.000 Sometimes it's a cat.

02:30:31.000 It's going to come out.

02:30:32.000 It's going to come out.

02:30:33.000 Sometimes.

02:30:34.000 Well, I didn't call myself road anything, but then you and Delia called me a road pup, and I had problems with it.

02:30:38.000 Oh, Delia's another one trying to diminish you, bro. 0.98

02:30:40.000 Because you're both tall and handsome, but you could kill him with your hands, and that makes him uncomfortable. 0.90

02:30:44.000 He's so much funnier, though, so he wins.

02:30:46.000 For now, he's funnier.

02:30:48.000 For now.

02:30:51.000 I do look at Sha... 0.66

02:30:55.000 Once a day.

02:30:56.000 And it does cross my mind.

02:30:57.000 I'm always like, he could stifle my life with his hands.

02:31:01.000 Yeah, but that part is a given.

02:31:04.000 But you should be in admiration of what he's doing with stand-up.

02:31:08.000 He's hustling.

02:31:09.000 Come on.

02:31:10.000 Who's his biggest supporter?

02:31:12.000 Excuse me.

02:31:12.000 You're not his biggest supporter.

02:31:14.000 I might be.

02:31:15.000 I am.

02:31:16.000 But I'm 100% positive. 1.00

02:31:17.000 Hold on, motherfucker! 1.00

02:31:19.000 I'm 100% positive. 1.00

02:31:20.000 You're not.

02:31:21.000 I'm 100% positive.

02:31:23.000 You're calling him Roadpup.

02:31:25.000 No, no, no.

02:31:26.000 He's a Roadpup.

02:31:27.000 Roadpup.

02:31:27.000 Who's your biggest Roadpup?

02:31:28.000 Who's your bigot?

02:31:31.000 This is like my mom and dad fighting.

02:31:33.000 I'm going to go in my room. 1.00

02:31:35.000 You're a fucking coward right now. 1.00

02:31:37.000 Let me ask you this. 1.00

02:31:38.000 Do you ever open up for Brendan anywhere?

02:31:41.000 Never.

02:31:41.000 I might be opening up for him in the future.

02:31:43.000 I got a gig he and I are doing.

02:31:45.000 You opened for me too, actually.

02:31:46.000 I did.

02:31:46.000 I opened up for you when you did your stand-up special.

02:31:49.000 Yeah, I appreciate that.

02:31:49.000 It's fun that we can get Roman to open for us.

02:31:52.000 I might be opening up for Brendan on the sneak tip somewhere. 0.98

02:31:53.000 We can get one of the biggest fucking comics to open for us. 0.95

02:31:56.000 It's pretty cool. 0.98

02:31:57.000 I'm fortunate, man.

02:31:58.000 Rogan would actually do that for us.

02:32:00.000 Yeah, when I opened up for you, it was the first time it opened for anybody in like 20 years.

02:32:06.000 I love you for that.

02:32:06.000 It's the first time I ever went on stage without anybody going on before me.

02:32:10.000 I know.

02:32:10.000 I appreciate that.

02:32:11.000 That's a hard gig.

02:32:12.000 The opening spot is a little more difficult.

02:32:14.000 You've got to juice the audience up.

02:32:17.000 There's an art form to smoothing them into the show. 1.00

02:32:20.000 Fuck. 0.99

02:32:20.000 I just learned that, so I bring someone on the road. 0.99

02:32:23.000 My agent was like, hold on, you're just going out there cold?

02:32:25.000 I'm like, yeah, I just do my thing. 1.00

02:32:26.000 He's like, no, no, no, no, what the fuck? 0.99

02:32:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:28.000 But you can do it. 1.00

02:32:30.000 Some guys, like Bill Cosby, to the end, always just went on stage.

02:32:34.000 Oh, really?

02:32:34.000 Yeah.

02:32:35.000 He didn't have an opening act. 0.99

02:32:36.000 Bill Cosby would go on stage for like two fucking hours. 0.99

02:32:39.000 He was 100,000 years old. 1.00

02:32:40.000 He would go on stage for two hours with one eyeball and a Hello Friends shirt with a backlog of rape in his head. 0.90

02:32:46.000 I know.

02:32:47.000 And somehow or another fought through that and delivered this family-friendly humor to all these people.

02:32:52.000 Legend.

02:32:52.000 One of the greatest comics of all, like the most prolific.

02:32:57.000 And it goes to your point that you can be more than one thing.

02:32:59.000 You can be evil and good. 1.00

02:33:01.000 God damn. 1.00

02:33:01.000 I mean, he was a great comic. 1.00

02:33:02.000 That's a classic example.

02:33:04.000 I never even thought about that. 0.99

02:33:05.000 Damn. 1.00

02:33:05.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:33:06.000 Dude, and no opening act. 1.00

02:33:07.000 Look at that.

02:33:08.000 Hello, friend.

02:33:08.000 Wow.

02:33:09.000 He would go on stage like that just with two hours.

02:33:12.000 Who knows how many rapes in his memory banks, just crushing his self-esteem and thought process and objectivity.

02:33:19.000 Had he been accused when he was doing stand-up at this point? 0.99

02:33:22.000 Oh, yeah, he was the crazy guy there. 0.63

02:33:23.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 0.55

02:33:24.000 He'd been accused.

02:33:24.000 He's blind in one eye and losing his vision in the second eye.

02:33:28.000 How old is he now?

02:33:29.000 He's very old.

02:33:30.000 Did he die?

02:33:32.000 No, he's still alive.

02:33:32.000 He went through the trial.

02:33:35.000 He got through one trial, mistrial, and then they're retrying him again.

02:33:39.000 I want to say it's coming up soon.

02:33:41.000 That stress usually kills those guys by the end.

02:33:44.000 Like Joe Paterno.

02:33:45.000 That'll break you in.

02:33:46.000 That'll break you in.

02:33:46.000 Oh my god, man.

02:33:48.000 Do you imagine?

02:33:49.000 A body of work, though, and then just...

02:33:51.000 Doesn't matter.

02:33:51.000 But see, what is the human being, right?

02:33:55.000 What is the human being capable of? 1.00

02:33:56.000 And the lowest thing you could do to someone besides murder them is rape them. 0.99

02:34:01.000 And to drug all these women that you took in, they were like confiding in you because you're this great master of show business. 0.99

02:34:09.000 You're Mr. Huxtable.

02:34:10.000 You would never believe it.

02:34:11.000 You would never. 0.99

02:34:12.000 If somebody told you, you'd be like, shut up. 0.99

02:34:14.000 No way, man. 1.00

02:34:15.000 Like, the Earth is flat before a Bill Cosby raped that many women. 1.00

02:34:17.000 It's crazy, man. 0.62

02:34:18.000 But don't you think this is a part of what we were talking about earlier is that the more information that gets out, the more you understand, like, the Harvey Weinsteins or the Bill Cosbys or the evil people of the world that have gotten away with it for so long because of power.

02:34:31.000 But the more this stuff comes out, the more we'll have...

02:34:34.000 We have a more nuanced understanding of what a human being is.

02:34:38.000 You know, like, Neil Brennan was talking on...

02:34:39.000 We were talking on the podcast.

02:34:40.000 I love that guy.

02:34:40.000 We were talking about Louis C.K. I love him, too.

02:34:42.000 He's great. 0.56

02:34:43.000 And we were talking about, like, do you think that it's possible to be a really great comic and not be fucked up in some way? 0.95

02:34:48.000 And I was like, no. 0.95

02:34:50.000 Never met one.

02:34:51.000 Never met one.

02:34:52.000 It might be possible.

02:34:53.000 I've never seen it.

02:34:54.000 I think there's something about wanting to crush on stage and figuring out, like, how to do it and having those thoughts inside you that people find so humorous.

02:35:03.000 Those crazy impulsive thoughts.

02:35:06.000 Yeah.

02:35:07.000 And those deeply disturbing thoughts sometimes where you're just scratching the base layers of your psychology and looking to see what makes it bleed.

02:35:17.000 It's hard to find that place when you're a regular person with regular sensibilities and you fit into this normal pattern. 0.94

02:35:25.000 I mean, you might every now and then get a really funny guy who comes out of that, but most of them, when you get to know them, you find some dark shit. 0.98

02:35:31.000 100%. 0.99

02:35:32.000 Or just dysfunctional shit or just unorthodox shit. 1.00

02:35:36.000 Trying to fill some hole. 1.00

02:35:37.000 Just a different way of looking at that.

02:35:40.000 Always on the outside.

02:35:41.000 Outsiders.

02:35:42.000 Outsiders.

02:35:42.000 And fighters as well.

02:35:43.000 It's the same thing.

02:35:44.000 I don't know any fighters that somewhere in the back of their head, do they not have this one area like, oh, you got this spot.

02:35:52.000 Most people don't have that spot.

02:35:53.000 It's like this one area of darkness.

02:35:55.000 Yes.

02:35:56.000 You know?

02:35:56.000 Yes.

02:35:57.000 How many human beings do you think could get to the psychological state that Matt Brown gets into in full combat?

02:36:05.000 I mean, how many people have that level of violence in their head in the face of, like, real world class fighters? 0.94

02:36:15.000 The one thing that I love about Matt Brown is every Matt Brown fight was a motherfucking Matt Brown fight. 0.96

02:36:21.000 And he knew it. 0.96

02:36:22.000 Like, you'd see him go in the cage like, well, I'm a clock in for...

02:36:25.000 Chaos.

02:36:25.000 You see how he got into the cage during his last fight with Diego Sanchez?

02:36:29.000 He roars. 0.98

02:36:30.000 They open up the cage door and he just fucking throws his arm back. 0.99

02:36:34.000 It's like, ROAR! And it's real. 0.99

02:36:37.000 It's not an act.

02:36:38.000 This guy's done it at that level.

02:36:41.000 And he's lost and he's won.

02:36:43.000 He's had ups and downs.

02:36:44.000 Never a physically gifted guy.

02:36:46.000 Not like some insanely fast...

02:36:48.000 Like crazy athletics.

02:36:49.000 Just grit.

02:36:50.000 Just grit. 1.00

02:36:51.000 Fucking animal. 1.00

02:36:53.000 Rawhide and steel cable. 1.00

02:36:55.000 He's got a place that Bob, who works in accounting, his wife is fucking her personal trainer and his kids call him a piece of shit and he takes a Xanax every night. 1.00

02:37:05.000 Rob doesn't have that place in his brain. 1.00

02:37:07.000 Hey, Jamie, bring up Salma Hayek.

02:37:10.000 He was my monster, too.

02:37:12.000 Oh, I saw that. 0.98

02:37:13.000 It was horrible.

02:37:13.000 And she said something about Harvey Weinstein that's to your point.

02:37:15.000 What did she say?

02:37:16.000 So she said, I'll read it for you.

02:37:18.000 It's a one sentence, but it says everything.

02:37:20.000 It's the first sentence.

02:37:21.000 Well, before we do that, I want to see Matt Brown roar.

02:37:23.000 You can't supersede my request.

02:37:24.000 Oh, let's see that, yeah, yeah.

02:37:24.000 I'm going to piggyback on it.

02:37:26.000 I didn't have it right away.

02:37:27.000 I was trying to find it.

02:37:28.000 We need another guy! 0.98

02:37:30.000 He retired though, huh?

02:37:31.000 Yeah, he knows a no though.

02:37:33.000 I talked to him in Boston.

02:37:34.000 He came to my show in Boston and we actually talked on the phone, but he was saying, I don't know man.

02:37:39.000 He goes, I was thinking of retiring, but now I'm not sure.

02:37:43.000 Then he gets that one win.

02:37:44.000 It's tough.

02:37:45.000 If you're thinking about it, do it brother.

02:37:47.000 And he smashed Diego Sanchez with the craziest elbow.

02:37:50.000 Oh my god, that was so crazy.

02:37:51.000 Here's a thought on that elbow.

02:37:55.000 This has been something that's been going on for a while.

02:37:58.000 When is it okay and when is it not okay to hit the back of the head where it counts as a KO? If you do it on the ground, you can get severely disqualified.

02:38:08.000 DQ'd or points taken away, depending on how much damage you do to a person.

02:38:12.000 But if you do it, stand it up, whether it's with a head kick, which a lot of times hits the back of the neck, If it's in movement, right?

02:38:19.000 If it's in the transition and you hit the elbow, you're good.

02:38:22.000 Which is what you did.

02:38:23.000 But on the ground, it's not.

02:38:24.000 Here's my point.

02:38:24.000 If someone's squirming on the ground and you throw an elbow and you hit him in the back of the head, a lot of times they can take points away.

02:38:30.000 But isn't there a big difference between doing something on purpose and doing something in the heat of the chaos?

02:38:37.000 Why is it okay standing up?

02:38:38.000 And I think it is okay.

02:38:40.000 I think Matt Brown's KO of Diego Sanchez is totally clean.

02:38:43.000 But I think there's a reality to that back-of-the-head shot that happens with neck kicks all the time.

02:38:50.000 All the time.

02:38:51.000 There's a reality to the effectiveness of that technique that we accept standing up, but on the ground, we limit that.

02:38:57.000 I think they're thinking on the ground you have more control of the opponent, right?

02:39:01.000 I don't think that's real.

02:39:02.000 I don't either.

02:39:03.000 I don't think that's real. 0.99

02:39:04.000 I think guys are moving, they're bucking and squirming, and you're throwing shit, and it takes time. 0.97

02:39:09.000 There's movement here. 0.94

02:39:11.000 While you're throwing, it's very rare that someone's completely stationary.

02:39:14.000 While you're throwing, they're also adjusting, they're going for You're underhooks, you're shrimping, you're bucking, you're dropping down. 0.99

02:39:22.000 There's a lot of shit happening, man. 0.97

02:39:24.000 And the idea that somehow or another you should be able to control it on the ground when you're actually in physical contact with someone, right? 1.00

02:39:31.000 You actually physically have their body that you're trying to manipulate and control while they're bucking around.

02:39:36.000 Versus they don't have any control of your body.

02:39:38.000 You're standing up, you're away from them, and any shot that you land that's on the back of the head somehow or another is okay.

02:39:43.000 It just shows you we have a little more ways to go with the evolution of fighting.

02:39:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:39:47.000 You look at some of the rules and I'm like, how the fuck? 0.99

02:39:50.000 How do we still have these problems? 0.99

02:39:52.000 I want to know. 0.99

02:39:52.000 I'm like, God damn it. 0.99

02:39:53.000 Could you wear half a helmet? 0.99

02:39:55.000 Could you wear something on the back of your head like a half helmet?

02:39:57.000 They used to wear those in Taekwondo tournaments.

02:39:59.000 They used to give people these...

02:40:01.000 It wouldn't help them.

02:40:02.000 There's a transition in Taekwondo rules where they started getting ready for the Olympics.

02:40:06.000 Where they started making people wear actual helmets.

02:40:09.000 You wore these big foam things.

02:40:11.000 But before that, you'd have to wear these things on the back of your head.

02:40:16.000 There's a video of me wearing one. 1.00

02:40:18.000 Did you feel like an asshole? 1.00

02:40:19.000 I always liked it better because it didn't fuck with your peripheral vision. 1.00

02:40:22.000 The idea is you get KO'd because we were fighting on basketball courts. 0.73

02:40:27.000 And when guys got KO'd, you want to see a video of me fighting on a basketball court?

02:40:30.000 You did. 1.00

02:40:31.000 Fuck yeah, I do. 1.00

02:40:31.000 You fought on what? 1.00

02:40:32.000 Watch this.

02:40:32.000 This is me.

02:40:33.000 Where were you at?

02:40:34.000 You didn't fight on mats.

02:40:34.000 I'm the guy with the back to us.

02:40:36.000 But if you look at my head, that thing in the back of my head is a red foam thing. 0.91

02:40:41.000 It's, you know, shitty old VHS. That's a yarmulke, bro. 0.95

02:40:44.000 A rubber band that goes across my forehead and this pad is just to keep my head. 1.00

02:40:49.000 You just fucked that kid up? 1.00

02:40:51.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:40:51.000 How old are you there? 0.98

02:40:52.000 I was 19. That was at the US Cup in Connecticut.

02:40:57.000 So you see Connecticut on the floor.

02:40:58.000 Why'd you walk off like you're badass?

02:40:59.000 Because he was dead.

02:41:00.000 And it was a wrap.

02:41:01.000 And I wanted all the other guys to be scared.

02:41:02.000 That was a body shot?

02:41:03.000 Yeah.

02:41:03.000 I wanted all the other guys to be scared because I was terrified.

02:41:05.000 Yeah, that dude's fucked up. 0.99

02:41:06.000 Yeah, that's a good background. 1.00

02:41:07.000 My move is always to pretend like I didn't give a fuck. 0.99

02:41:10.000 I'd KO guys and walk away like it was nothing. 1.00

02:41:12.000 I'd never celebrate. 0.99

02:41:13.000 Never.

02:41:14.000 Like it was just another day in the office? 0.94

02:41:16.000 Those are the guys that scare the shit out of me. 0.98

02:41:17.000 So I just tried to be like one of the guys that scare the shit out of me. 0.98

02:41:19.000 That's what I do. 0.76

02:41:20.000 Yeah, and then it was what I do.

02:41:22.000 But I was like, this is weird.

02:41:22.000 I'm like a fraud, but I'm not.

02:41:25.000 I think most guys are like that.

02:41:26.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

02:41:27.000 Most fighters are like that.

02:41:28.000 Yeah, but those head things were standard, and then they changed it to padded floor.

02:41:35.000 They changed the floor.

02:41:36.000 They used to let you fight.

02:41:37.000 I fought on a hockey rink.

02:41:38.000 I fought on the base.

02:41:40.000 K-State games on concrete.

02:41:41.000 There was a plastic, a thin plastic sheet that was over concrete.

02:41:45.000 And when the dude's head hit the mat, it cut him open.

02:41:48.000 Because I KO'd him.

02:41:50.000 And when I hit him with a wheel kick, his head bounced off the ground and his eyebrow opened up from contacting the concrete.

02:41:59.000 It was so disturbing.

02:42:01.000 I was like, that easily could have been me. 1.00

02:42:03.000 I easily could have got head kicked and my head bounces off the fucking concrete. 0.99

02:42:08.000 Well, that was like When you go to practice and you're going to spar, somebody was going to get kicked in the head if they weren't careful and somebody would do the chicken. 0.99

02:42:15.000 Like I said, there would always be a guy once a month who would get hit.

02:42:19.000 Would you guys wear that headgear?

02:42:21.000 No.

02:42:22.000 The headgear helps.

02:42:23.000 It definitely helps.

02:42:24.000 It'll protect your head a little bit. 0.80

02:42:26.000 It's definitely better than nothing, but getting kicked in the head is... 0.68

02:42:29.000 Those power yamakas are pretty sweet, though. 0.88

02:42:30.000 Yeah.

02:42:31.000 Here's Matt Brown.

02:42:32.000 Here's Matt Brown when he steps in to fight Diego Sanchez.

02:42:34.000 He roars.

02:42:35.000 Isn't he the head coach now there in Denver?

02:42:37.000 Well, he's definitely one of the top coaches over there, and didn't they just open up a place here?

02:42:43.000 Yeah, did they?

02:42:44.000 Somewhere around Muscle Farm?

02:42:45.000 I think they opened up a place in Burbank. 1.00

02:42:47.000 He's such a fucking animal. 0.99

02:42:49.000 This is one of my all-time favorite. 1.00

02:42:51.000 He just said, go ahead, check my dick. 1.00

02:42:53.000 He's like, does he have a cup on? 1.00

02:42:54.000 He goes, yep. 1.00

02:42:55.000 He taps his own dick. 1.00

02:42:56.000 They gotta check his fingernails. 1.00

02:42:57.000 Now watch this.

02:42:58.000 Steps up to the cage, thinks it's his last fight ever, walks in.

02:43:01.000 Ha ha ha ha!

02:43:04.000 God, Doug. 1.00

02:43:05.000 That fucking roar is real, man. 1.00

02:43:07.000 Just such a warrior, man. 1.00

02:43:08.000 That roar is real.

02:43:09.000 Such a warrior.

02:43:10.000 So for a guy like that...

02:43:11.000 He called me more, right?

02:43:12.000 Because he died.

02:43:12.000 He's got those awesome dead eyes.

02:43:14.000 Yeah, he died for a bit.

02:43:16.000 Overdose, right?

02:43:16.000 During a drug overdose.

02:43:17.000 Yeah, and they brought him back.

02:43:19.000 Yeah.

02:43:19.000 But it's like, for a guy like that, that style is just so...

02:43:23.000 It's so hard.

02:43:24.000 It's such a hard style.

02:43:25.000 It's so crazy.

02:43:26.000 That's not like a Mighty Mouse guy.

02:43:28.000 That's not a, you know...

02:43:29.000 Just a guy who just grinds you up.

02:43:31.000 Just very skillful.

02:43:33.000 No doubt about it.

02:43:33.000 Very skillful, great timing.

02:43:35.000 What's his thing?

02:43:35.000 Was his Muay Thai?

02:43:36.000 What was everything?

02:43:37.000 His clinch was very good.

02:43:38.000 His Muay Thai is very good, but his Jiu Jitsu is very good too.

02:43:41.000 His Jiu Jitsu is super underrated.

02:43:43.000 His toughness was world class.

02:43:46.000 His striking and his ground, you wouldn't say it was world class.

02:43:51.000 I just feel like fighting...

02:43:52.000 That's no disrespect.

02:43:54.000 I'm saying his ground game wasn't like a Verdum.

02:43:58.000 His striking wasn't like a Wonderboy.

02:43:59.000 He was good at everything.

02:44:02.000 He wasn't a specialist, besides in toughness.

02:44:04.000 I'm not throwing shade at Matt Brown.

02:44:08.000 I love Matt Brown.

02:44:08.000 Brendan, do you think that if fighting was as profitable, say, as baseball, basketball, football, we'd obviously have very different athletes in the game.

02:44:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:44:21.000 It's a tougher road.

02:44:22.000 I don't know.

02:44:23.000 Yeah, I wonder if...

02:44:27.000 If athleticism plays as big a part in fighting, in the umbrella of fighting, as it does in, say, basketball or football, so if you're either making the NFL or the NBA, you know, there's a lot to the game, of course, but I feel like athleticism plays a bigger factor.

02:44:44.000 Like, some guys can be not as athletic in a lot of ways, like George St. Pierre.

02:44:48.000 And still be good in fighting?

02:44:48.000 And still...

02:44:49.000 Wait a minute.

02:44:50.000 Hold on.

02:44:50.000 Would you say not athletic?

02:44:52.000 George is a bad example.

02:44:54.000 No, he's a great athlete, but not like...

02:44:55.000 No, George is a bad example.

02:44:56.000 You want to say a guy like...

02:44:57.000 Yeah, he's a bad example, actually.

02:44:58.000 But Nick Diaz.

02:44:59.000 Nick Diaz.

02:45:00.000 That's a good example.

02:45:01.000 So Nick Diaz, who was just amazing.

02:45:04.000 Like, he's never been knocked out.

02:45:06.000 Josh Thompson knocked him out.

02:45:08.000 Yeah, he had kicked him, stopped him.

02:45:10.000 What?

02:45:10.000 When?

02:45:11.000 It was before the Rafael Dos Anjos fight.

02:45:15.000 He lost to Dos Anjos after that, and then after that, he beat Michael Johnson, and then after that, he beat Conor.

02:45:21.000 There's the X factor with fighting, where guys who are not as fast, not as strong, they can't jump aside, not as all that other stuff, somehow are able to Close that distance.

02:45:32.000 Let me rephrase that.

02:45:33.000 Nate got stopped by Josh Thompson.

02:45:35.000 Never won unconscious.

02:45:36.000 He got TKO'd.

02:45:38.000 I'm talking about Nick, not Nate.

02:45:39.000 Nick.

02:45:39.000 Oh, no.

02:45:40.000 Nick's never been...

02:45:40.000 No, no.

02:45:41.000 Nick got stopped early on in his career by that guy who did tough, who wound up Jeremy...

02:45:49.000 Jeremy...

02:45:50.000 No, Jeremy Jones?

02:45:51.000 Is that his name?

02:45:52.000 He was a young guy that was really talented, and Nick and him both fought when they were both like 18 or 19. And Nick got stopped by him.

02:46:00.000 He TKO'd him.

02:46:01.000 Never since.

02:46:02.000 TKO'd him.

02:46:03.000 No, no, never since.

02:46:04.000 And he's fought the best of the best.

02:46:08.000 But that guy was super talented.

02:46:09.000 That guy was super talented, but then went to jail. 1.00

02:46:12.000 Went to jail for some shit. 0.99

02:46:13.000 To your point, B, I think fighting requires a different skill set. 0.99

02:46:18.000 But when you get a guy who has that warrior spirit who's athletic, then you have problems like a Francis Ngannou.

02:46:25.000 Right, right, right.

02:46:26.000 Or like a Mighty Mouse.

02:46:28.000 Calvin Gaslam.

02:46:28.000 Or Conor McGregor.

02:46:29.000 You get these guys who could probably play other sports.

02:46:33.000 You put Conor McGregor in there as an athlete in the game?

02:46:35.000 Oh my god, yes. 1.00

02:46:36.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:46:37.000 His ability to perform under pressure is undeniable, and that is a lot of what athleticism is. 0.99

02:46:42.000 His movement's fantastic, but a lot of what athleticism is is effective use of that body.

02:46:47.000 Like, you can't deny that a guy who is a world-class fighter is also a great athlete.

02:46:52.000 There's just no room for that anymore.

02:46:54.000 Everybody who's at the top of the food chain is a great athlete.

02:46:56.000 Obviously, Francis is an outlier, because he's such an obviously amazing athlete.

02:47:01.000 I think Conor's an outlier too, the way he can go backwards in his reaction time. 0.99

02:47:04.000 Tyron Woodley's a fucking outlier. 0.98

02:47:06.000 Look at his athletic body. 0.99

02:47:08.000 Think about also Woodley's ability to hurt Wonderboy in those two fights that he had.

02:47:13.000 Put Wonderboy in more trouble than he's ever been that we've seen him inside, except for Matt Brown, who stopped him.

02:47:18.000 Did he stop him or beat him on decision? 0.94

02:47:20.000 I think he beat him on decision, but beat the shit out of him for three rounds. 0.87

02:47:23.000 But look at a guy like Darren Till. 0.76

02:47:25.000 Look how big an athletic Darren Till is.

02:47:27.000 He's a big boy, man.

02:47:28.000 Sure.

02:47:28.000 Yeah, there's a lot of guys that are just world-class guys.

02:47:32.000 See, but...

02:47:33.000 Different weight classes.

02:47:35.000 Different weight classes, brother.

02:47:37.000 I know that, but they make it easier to go up to 180. Fuck, man. 1.00

02:47:39.000 Luke's so big. 1.00

02:47:40.000 Luke can fight at 205 if he wanted to.

02:47:43.000 But I think the day and age, you're always going to have those guys, and this isn't a knock, but those Leonard Garcias, those Matt Browns, you're going to have those guys, but the evolution of the UFC and mixed martial arts, those guys are going to slowly phase away.

02:47:56.000 You can get better athletes.

02:47:58.000 And just being tough isn't going to get you in the top 10 anymore.

02:48:01.000 I think you're gonna get guys who, they have the fighter's mentality, but they're the super athletes, and that's the evolution of the sport.

02:48:07.000 Or you get them both.

02:48:08.000 Because you get like a Roy McDonald. 0.99

02:48:09.000 Really good athlete, a fucking monster at everything, and he can do both. 0.97

02:48:16.000 What do you think of that Lima fight? 0.99

02:48:17.000 That's coming up.

02:48:17.000 It's a great fight.

02:48:18.000 20th.

02:48:19.000 It's a great fight.

02:48:20.000 We're gonna be in Boston.

02:48:21.000 That's the same night as the Ngannou fight.

02:48:23.000 Oh, that's right.

02:48:24.000 The Ngannou-Stipe fight.

02:48:25.000 They're going head-to-head, right?

02:48:26.000 Yeah, head-to-head.

02:48:26.000 I think Chael and Rampage is on that, too.

02:48:28.000 Get your DVRs ready, folks.

02:48:29.000 Can we talk a little bit about...

02:48:32.000 Home Cyborg.

02:48:33.000 Home Cyborg.

02:48:34.000 Battle of the greatest woman fighter of all time, I think.

02:48:36.000 Whoever wins that.

02:48:38.000 But is that the case, right? 0.59

02:48:40.000 Because Misha beat Cyborg, or Misha beat Holly, never fought Cyborg, but the way she beat Holly was so fucking spectacular.

02:48:47.000 How do you not always rank Misha above Holly?

02:48:51.000 I know Misha retired, and Holly is still super active, and likely should have been a 145-pound champion, especially if you take away the deductions that... 0.99

02:48:59.000 She should have gotten for two late shots. 0.99

02:49:03.000 And then even on top of that, you still see Holly dropped her with a head kick and then dropped her with a left hand as well. 1.00

02:49:09.000 Holly was also beating Misha in that fight before Misha came back. 1.00

02:49:13.000 She was, but there was two rounds where she got dominated. 1.00

02:49:15.000 She got taken down one round and mounted and couldn't do shit about it. 0.98

02:49:18.000 And then the last 15 seconds of the fight, Misha pulls out the ultimate, takes her down, takes her back, and then chokes her to sleep. 0.96

02:49:23.000 No, Misha's one of the best for sure.

02:49:25.000 But if we're going to play that game, then Holly... 0.75

02:49:28.000 Merck, the girl who Misha could never even hold a candle to in Ronda Rousey.

02:49:32.000 That's true, but don't you think that Misha kept getting better?

02:49:36.000 I think the Misha that fought against Holly Holm was very much an improved version of the Misha that fought against Ronda. 0.73

02:49:45.000 But that Misha, her whole thing is grappling.

02:49:49.000 So try implementing that game plan against Ronda Grappling.

02:49:53.000 Enjoy that.

02:49:53.000 Yeah, but I think Misha got better with her stand-up.

02:49:55.000 That's one of the reasons why she was allowed.

02:49:57.000 She got better than she did in the early Ronda fights. 0.82

02:50:00.000 So did Ronda, though.

02:50:00.000 She did.

02:50:00.000 So did Ronda.

02:50:01.000 You know what?

02:50:03.000 She might take a step back. 1.00

02:50:03.000 But here's my problem. 1.00

02:50:05.000 You gotta look at Amanda Nunes. 1.00

02:50:07.000 Amanda Nunes beat the shit out of the both of them. 1.00

02:50:09.000 And the way she did it was like, yikes! 1.00

02:50:13.000 The way she throws, like those long of bang, bang!

02:50:16.000 I mean, come on.

02:50:17.000 She's yikes. 1.00

02:50:17.000 Amanda Nunes is yikes. 1.00

02:50:19.000 Amanda's yikes, and I wish she got more promotional push. 1.00

02:50:23.000 She's throwing hammers at you. 1.00

02:50:24.000 If Holly Holm were able to pull off this upset, she's number one for me. 0.99

02:50:28.000 Beating Ronda in her prime, beating Cyborg in her prime.

02:50:31.000 Cyborg is... 0.99

02:50:32.000 Fucking scary, man. 0.99

02:50:33.000 She beelines. 0.99

02:50:35.000 Cyborg's always beelined everybody.

02:50:36.000 She just comes straight in and puts so much pressure on you.

02:50:39.000 She's so strong.

02:50:40.000 Her last fight, Tanya Evans, she went, you know what?

02:50:43.000 I'm not just going to murder this girl.

02:50:44.000 Watch, I'm going to stick behind a jab and I'm going to figure some things out. 0.97

02:50:47.000 I'm going to put on a show.

02:50:48.000 But if she does that with Holly, Holly has a way better chance.

02:50:50.000 Because if she does that with Holly where she says, I think she's been training.

02:50:56.000 I think it's almost like she's been training with somebody different.

02:50:58.000 She said, take your time.

02:50:59.000 Step back.

02:51:00.000 The best boxing coach in the world.

02:51:02.000 That actually favors Holly, I think, than her old style, which is to come in close distance.

02:51:08.000 No, that favorites Holly. 0.98

02:51:09.000 If she comes at Holly like a bull, like Ronda did, you get kicked in the face. 0.89

02:51:14.000 That's different though, isn't it?

02:51:15.000 With Cyborg, isn't she different?

02:51:16.000 No, she's a banshee. 1.00

02:51:17.000 She's so strong.

02:51:19.000 If she's calculated, here's the other X factor. 0.98

02:51:22.000 If Cyborg goes, Holly kind of sucks on the ground. 1.00

02:51:25.000 I'm a black belt on the ground. 1.00

02:51:27.000 I also can grapple like a motherfucker. 1.00

02:51:29.000 I'm not just going to stand here and strike you. 1.00

02:51:30.000 I'm going to take you down. 0.97

02:51:31.000 And she's a naturally larger woman. 0.75

02:51:32.000 She's way bigger.

02:51:33.000 So if she gets against the king, Tito Ortiz, if she was in a triangle and picked Tito Ortiz up.

02:51:37.000 Yeah.

02:51:37.000 Is she a black belt now?

02:51:38.000 Is she a black belt?

02:51:39.000 Yeah.

02:51:39.000 And she's competed as a brown belt.

02:51:42.000 I know she did very well in some high-level competition.

02:51:46.000 She's a big woman.

02:51:48.000 Her and Gabby Garcia go at it grappling.

02:51:50.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

02:51:52.000 That's her main training partner. 0.98

02:51:53.000 If she decides to go over the Misha Tate footage and see how easy Misha choked Holly on. 0.99

02:51:58.000 She can pull that card out.

02:52:00.000 That's in her back pocket.

02:52:01.000 She goes, alright, on the feet, it's getting a little tricky.

02:52:04.000 I'm going to grapple.

02:52:04.000 She has a hard time making 45, right?

02:52:07.000 Yes, she does.

02:52:08.000 She would be better off if there was a 155-pound woman's weight class. 1.00

02:52:11.000 She didn't have to cut so much weight.

02:52:13.000 Yeah, I mean, she's leaned out.

02:52:15.000 She looks leaner now than she did when she was fighting in Strikeforce. 0.94

02:52:18.000 You know, I think when she fought, like, Gina Carano, she was fucking gigantic. 0.68

02:52:21.000 She's much smaller now. 0.86

02:52:23.000 It's such a good fight, though, man, for Holly and her.

02:52:25.000 But she's still a destroyer. 0.97

02:52:27.000 Yeah.

02:52:28.000 You know, it's like...

02:52:30.000 It's been a long time coming for her, man.

02:52:32.000 I feel like she's finally got to it where she deserves this.

02:52:36.000 Well, she definitely deserves this big, high-profile fight, but so does Holly. 0.98

02:52:40.000 You know, they both do.

02:52:42.000 It's a really interesting fight because, like...

02:52:44.000 Clearly, Holly's dangerous, right?

02:52:46.000 She head-kicks Ronda, knocks her out. 1.00

02:52:48.000 She head-kicks Betch Cohea, knocks her out. 1.00

02:52:51.000 She head-kicked Jermaine Durandamy, who's a multiple-time world Muay Thai champion, head-kicks her, drops her, and a lot of people thought she should have got that decision.

02:53:00.000 At the very least, it was super fucking close, and Jermaine's one of the best strikers in the world. 0.96

02:53:04.000 She's a nasty striker. 1.00

02:53:06.000 So then if Holly and Cyborg just strike, Who gets the edge?

02:53:11.000 Well, see, here's the thing.

02:53:13.000 You can't sleep on Holly.

02:53:14.000 She's probably got a disadvantage when it comes to punching power, and probably a significant one. 1.00

02:53:20.000 Not probably, yeah.

02:53:21.000 She definitely does.

02:53:22.000 We won't really know, because Holly has dropped people, and she does have sharp punches, and she's an 18-time world women boxing champion. 1.00

02:53:28.000 There's a lot of craziness to what Holly was able to do as a striker with her hands.

02:53:33.000 Holly's more decorated as far as straight striking.

02:53:36.000 But Cyborg hits... 0.97

02:53:37.000 She hits so fucking hard, and she's so aggressive. 1.00

02:53:41.000 Did you see Cyborg going against the gold medalist in the number one female boxer in the world? 0.98

02:53:47.000 I think Clarissa Shields, is that her name?

02:53:49.000 Yes, that is her name, yeah.

02:53:50.000 You sent me that footage.

02:53:52.000 It's amazing.

02:53:53.000 Bang! 1.00

02:53:54.000 Bang! 1.00

02:53:55.000 I mean, Clarissa Shields is no joke. 0.99

02:53:57.000 No, she's the best boxer in the world. 1.00

02:54:00.000 Jamie, bring that up.

02:54:01.000 It's crazy.

02:54:02.000 It's crazy.

02:54:02.000 Yeah, it's fun to watch, too, because you realize, okay, well, she can hang in the pocket.

02:54:06.000 She takes a tremendous shot. 0.98

02:54:07.000 If you really want to be impressed by Cyborg, I say you look at her one Muay Thai loss to Jorena Barge.

02:54:13.000 I didn't see it.

02:54:14.000 He's in Bellator now.

02:54:15.000 Yeah, she's in Bellator kickboxing now. 0.67

02:54:17.000 Jorena Barge is a monster.

02:54:20.000 She's this really tall woman from Holland who's got outstanding technique. 0.98

02:54:25.000 She's impossible. 0.99

02:54:26.000 Nobody was fucking with her. 1.00

02:54:27.000 She couldn't get a fight for years. 0.98

02:54:29.000 So she's giving her some coaching here. 0.77

02:54:31.000 So Cyborg decided to fight that Muay Thai monster, and it went to a decision. 0.76

02:54:36.000 Cyborg landed some good shots.

02:54:37.000 Yeah, not only did it go to a decision, does Cyborg have new tattoos on her legs? 1.00

02:54:41.000 No, that's tape.

02:54:42.000 That's like a performance tape.

02:54:45.000 On the top?

02:54:46.000 Yeah.

02:54:46.000 Oh, wow.

02:54:46.000 How weird.

02:54:47.000 It's all crisscross-y?

02:54:48.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:54:48.000 It's a shitty video, huh? 0.97

02:54:50.000 It's an awful video, by the way. 0.99

02:54:52.000 But Cyborg got dropped a bunch of times, kept getting up, you know, came after her, and was there for the fucking final bell, still swinging, trying to take her out. 0.97

02:55:01.000 That Muay Thai girl had her hands full. 1.00

02:55:02.000 It wasn't a walk in the park.

02:55:03.000 It was not a walk in the park.

02:55:05.000 And she's a specialist.

02:55:06.000 And she's so good.

02:55:08.000 She's huge.

02:55:08.000 If you watch her fight, she's so good.

02:55:11.000 So here's Cyborg sparring with...

02:55:13.000 Look how good this girl is. 1.00

02:55:15.000 But look, Cyborg, isn't that...

02:55:17.000 She's hanging in there.

02:55:19.000 Look how she goes to the body and to the head. 1.00

02:55:22.000 She is.

02:55:22.000 She's so good, man.

02:55:24.000 But these girls are going at it. 1.00

02:55:25.000 This is not like a light sparring session.

02:55:28.000 This is almost like a fight. 0.99

02:55:29.000 And she's got to be careful because Cyborg has big fucking power. 1.00

02:55:33.000 So she's treating this like this is a dangerous fight for her. 0.97

02:55:36.000 Look, she's landing these shots, but she's realizing the stuff that's coming her way, she can't take one of those on the point of the chin. 1.00

02:55:43.000 She's getting tagged! 1.00

02:55:44.000 Look at this!

02:55:45.000 Cyborg tagged her a couple times.

02:55:46.000 But she's clearly like the more polished professional boxer. 0.99

02:55:50.000 Cyborg's doing work, though.

02:55:52.000 She is.

02:55:52.000 She is doing work.

02:55:52.000 You're not like that.

02:55:53.000 Look at that beautiful left hook to the body. 1.00

02:55:54.000 Ooh, that step in left hook to the body. 1.00

02:55:57.000 Oh, that's pretty.

02:55:59.000 She's so good.

02:56:00.000 I can't wait for this fight, man.

02:56:02.000 It's so important for a girl like her to get that kind of sparring in, too. 1.00

02:56:05.000 Hell yeah. 0.99

02:56:05.000 I mean, who the fuck wants to spar with Cyborg? 0.99

02:56:07.000 No one. 0.99

02:56:08.000 That's how it came about.

02:56:09.000 Cyborg's talking about no one wants to spar with her.

02:56:11.000 So this girl's like, I'll do it.

02:56:12.000 Wow. 1.00

02:56:13.000 Let her kick you. 1.00

02:56:14.000 I gotta I gotta see that Muay Thai fight. 0.89

02:56:18.000 Was it close?

02:56:19.000 It was a clear, unanimous decision, but it was dangerous at every turn.

02:56:24.000 And also that woman, that's her thing. 1.00

02:56:26.000 You have more respect for Cyborg after you watch it. 0.97

02:56:28.000 She wasn't going to Win, but she fucking did work. 1.00

02:56:31.000 She got head kicked with a stomp. 1.00

02:56:33.000 She got, like, front push kicked to the face, like, right on the chin. 1.00

02:56:36.000 Her neck snapped back. 0.77

02:56:37.000 She falls down.

02:56:38.000 She gets up.

02:56:39.000 You're still chasing after her.

02:56:41.000 She's a warrior, man. 1.00

02:56:42.000 She's a fucking warrior. 1.00

02:56:44.000 But so is Holly. 1.00

02:56:45.000 Holly just comes off, like, cleaner.

02:56:47.000 And, like, you know, she comes off, like, more polished.

02:56:50.000 And she's very pretty.

02:56:52.000 And she's very calm and very kind and nice to hear her talk.

02:56:57.000 I think where female fighting is at, it's such a high level now with these two that whoever wins this is the best of all time. 1.00

02:57:03.000 I think it's the forefront of the feminist movement.

02:57:07.000 No pressure, ladies. 0.99

02:57:08.000 No worries.

02:57:10.000 It's a very important fight for the sport, that's for sure.

02:57:13.000 Because no one really out there who, in my mind, is compelling, is willing to step in and challenge Cyborg other than Holly.

02:57:20.000 These two are going to fight like Andre Arlovsky, Frank Mayer back in the day.

02:57:23.000 Or Tim Silver and Arlovsky.

02:57:25.000 Is there anybody in Bellator who would do work in?

02:57:28.000 That's a good point.

02:57:29.000 Good question.

02:57:31.000 I don't think they're at the same level yet in the female division, but there's some real good talent there. 1.00

02:57:35.000 There's some good female talent in MMA, period, right now. 1.00

02:57:38.000 Rose, Jan, Namaginis, and Yoni, and Jenjek.

02:57:40.000 That rematch is going to be... 0.80

02:57:43.000 Sick.

02:57:43.000 Yeah, that's an interesting rematch.

02:57:45.000 You gonna throw up?

02:57:46.000 I'm getting close. 0.94

02:57:47.000 Really?

02:57:48.000 Yeah, I didn't eat all day and I drank all this caffeine.

02:57:50.000 Are you, like, really swallowing spit and stuff?

02:57:51.000 You brought a garbage can over it.

02:57:53.000 Yeah, I know, I know.

02:57:53.000 You feel a little sick.

02:57:55.000 No, I'm not sick.

02:57:56.000 Just go throw too much caffeine. 0.98

02:57:57.000 Make yourself throw up like a chick. 0.99

02:57:58.000 I might, man. 0.99

02:57:59.000 I might purge.

02:57:59.000 Just go eat a deer stick.

02:58:02.000 Yeah, that'll help.

02:58:03.000 That doesn't help, right?

02:58:04.000 Don't do that.

02:58:04.000 You want pork chops and a cigar?

02:58:07.000 I'm feeling nauseous.

02:58:09.000 Have a couple pork chops, smoke a cigar, you'll be fine.

02:58:11.000 How about sausage sub with extra mustard?

02:58:13.000 Gag! 1.00

02:58:14.000 You want to smell my breath?

02:58:18.000 This fight is important, man.

02:58:20.000 It's important for the sport, right?

02:58:21.000 It's important to figure out what style you need to beat Cyborg.

02:58:24.000 Like, Tonya Evinger just fought a wild, sort of brawling style, and had very limited success, but it was one of those things where Cyborg just keeps advancing, and in every exchange, you realize...

02:58:34.000 It's just a matter of time.

02:58:34.000 It's just so much more firepower, but Evinger...

02:58:37.000 She was trying to win that fight. 1.00

02:58:38.000 She's tough as they go.

02:58:39.000 Yeah, she was trying to win that fight. 0.98

02:58:40.000 This is a different fight because Holly is very dangerous and she has a weird style. 1.00

02:58:44.000 She'll fight karate style. 1.00

02:58:46.000 She throws sidekicks, a lot of front leg sidekicks. 1.00

02:58:49.000 She throws those oblique kicks to the inner thigh. 1.00

02:58:52.000 And here's the thing.

02:58:54.000 Holly might be... 1.00

02:58:55.000 Is she going to go?

02:58:55.000 I'm going to go to the bathroom.

02:58:56.000 You're going to go to the bathroom.

02:58:57.000 Yeah, you finish this breakdown.

02:58:59.000 This is weird.

02:59:00.000 You've got to start eating in the morning.

02:59:01.000 I don't eat.

02:59:03.000 He's trying to fast.

02:59:04.000 He's doing some fasting.

02:59:05.000 We're like married.

02:59:06.000 He's really gonna throw up.

02:59:07.000 He's gonna throw up, man.

02:59:10.000 Weird.

02:59:10.000 I wanted to get that on camera.

02:59:11.000 No, that's not right, dude.

02:59:13.000 That's not right.

02:59:14.000 Did that shut? 0.82

02:59:15.000 Play it on a loop.

02:59:16.000 Play it on a loop.

02:59:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:59:18.000 People right now are like, bro, why the fuck didn't you let him puke, bro? 0.99

02:59:21.000 He'll do that. 1.00

02:59:22.000 He'll just not eat.

02:59:23.000 Like, we'll do podcasts.

02:59:23.000 He's like, I haven't eaten yet.

02:59:25.000 I don't want to smell it.

02:59:26.000 I don't want him to throw up in that garbage can and eat it.

02:59:28.000 That's a tiny garbage can.

02:59:30.000 Yeah, that's not the move.

02:59:31.000 It's not even the size of his stomach.

02:59:32.000 And there's a bunch of stuff in that can, too.

02:59:34.000 It'd be all bile, too.

02:59:35.000 Yeah, bile.

02:59:36.000 No food.

02:59:38.000 You know what I ate last night, dude?

02:59:40.000 I made elk tartare.

02:59:42.000 Really?

02:59:42.000 Yeah, it's so good.

02:59:44.000 Fuck, you make a good... 1.00

02:59:45.000 It's so good. 1.00

02:59:45.000 You make a good game meat. 1.00

02:59:47.000 Yeah, I get good at it now.

02:59:48.000 I'm gonna need a little game meat. 0.98

02:59:50.000 I got a shit ton. 0.98

02:59:52.000 I need some. 0.95

02:59:52.000 Yeah, I got some here for you. 0.95

02:59:53.000 Hey, and maybe...

02:59:55.000 I mean, I love that you give me the hamburger.

02:59:57.000 Can I get some...

02:59:57.000 I gave you steaks.

02:59:58.000 I gave you a heart, dude.

02:59:59.000 That is the best part.

03:00:01.000 Yeah, it was delicious.

03:00:01.000 I gave you one of the elk hearts.

03:00:02.000 I know.

03:00:04.000 I've never, ever given anyone an elk heart before. 0.81

03:00:06.000 I ate the fuck out of it. 0.87

03:00:07.000 You can have some steaks, bro. 0.97

03:00:07.000 You just can't have all of them. 0.97

03:00:09.000 Greedy bitch. 1.00

03:00:09.000 You gotta go out and kill your own food. 1.00

03:00:10.000 Yeah, but you won't invite me. 0.99

03:00:12.000 Ah, that's not the truth.

03:00:13.000 I have a 60-pound boat.

03:00:13.000 What I want to do is bring the boat here and practice.

03:00:16.000 Yeah, well, let's do that.

03:00:17.000 But you're only doing archery, right?

03:00:19.000 Pretty much.

03:00:19.000 Pretty much, yeah.

03:00:20.000 So I gotta get good with archery before I can come...

03:00:22.000 Yeah.

03:00:24.000 Boy, that's a hard one.

03:00:26.000 That's a weird learn-on-the-job one, shooting arrows at animals.

03:00:29.000 You've got to be completely obsessed with doing that.

03:00:31.000 Or not.

03:00:34.000 Honestly, the reality is, rifle is more effective.

03:00:40.000 You will shoot more things with a rifle.

03:00:42.000 You don't have to get as close. 0.98

03:00:44.000 They're not going to move while you're shooting them.

03:00:45.000 Can I bring a rifle and you bring a bow? 0.50

03:00:47.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:00:48.000 If you're in an area that allows both things.

03:00:50.000 Depends on where you're going.

03:00:53.000 Yeah, see, elves, they have specific seasons where you're allowed to, most of the time during the rut, you have to use archery equipment.

03:01:01.000 In most places, some places are different.

03:01:04.000 There's like some different that let you use all weapons, and they have some special tags.

03:01:10.000 But like during the rut, when they're breeding, the idea is that it's easy to find them. 0.96

03:01:14.000 They're all howling, and they're making those elk-like whales, and they're distracted by pussy. 1.00

03:01:21.000 And to get close enough to shoot them with a bow and arrow, way more difficult. 1.00

03:01:25.000 Because you can just perch yourself on a fucking, you know, a nice tree stump and let that sight just settle perfectly on them. 1.00

03:01:32.000 If you have a rifle, just ba-doom! 1.00

03:01:34.000 And they're dead. 0.99

03:01:34.000 They're dead as soon as you pull the trigger. 0.99

03:01:36.000 Whereas with a bow and arrow, you really should be getting inside of 40 yards if you can.

03:01:40.000 It's hard, right?

03:01:41.000 It's very hard.

03:01:42.000 They can smell you. 0.91

03:01:43.000 They smell you like crazy.

03:01:44.000 They see your movement.

03:01:45.000 They're constantly tuned in and turned on.

03:01:47.000 And you have to fight off the fact that there's like...

03:01:50.000 If a bull elk, you're trying to shoot a bull elk, you might have 30 cows that are around that bull elk.

03:01:54.000 You've got to trick them, too. 1.00

03:01:56.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:01:56.000 Yeah, you've got 30 sets of eyes, 60 eyeballs looking your way, and they bark. 1.00

03:02:01.000 Did you throw up?

03:02:01.000 A little green under the gills, boys.

03:02:03.000 Did you really puke?

03:02:04.000 Yeah, I did.

03:02:05.000 Did you want some water or something?

03:02:06.000 No, I'm good now, man. 1.00

03:02:07.000 Damn, son. 0.99

03:02:09.000 That's weird. 1.00

03:02:10.000 Are you having withdrawals from the harrow?

03:02:12.000 I wish it was that.

03:02:14.000 You look pale.

03:02:15.000 I know, I do.

03:02:16.000 The harrow's a little messy.

03:02:17.000 I know. 1.00

03:02:17.000 I looked in the mirror and I thought, you look like shit, man. 1.00

03:02:20.000 How much caffeine did you drink? 1.00

03:02:22.000 Well, I had a latte with an extra shot on the way here.

03:02:26.000 I had three cups this morning.

03:02:28.000 But then I drank this thing.

03:02:30.000 You never stopped drinking coffee.

03:02:31.000 You drank the caveman and then you drank that other coffee that we made.

03:02:34.000 And then I drank the French press.

03:02:35.000 And I haven't eaten today because I fast in the morning.

03:02:38.000 That's a lot of caffeine.

03:02:39.000 Did you go crazy for Christmas?

03:02:42.000 No.

03:02:43.000 I actually didn't cheat on Christmas.

03:02:45.000 What are you saying?

03:02:46.000 Are you saying that he's got a weight issue?

03:02:49.000 He tends to binge.

03:02:51.000 No, I don't.

03:02:52.000 I've been super strict.

03:02:53.000 I haven't cheated since Thanksgiving.

03:02:55.000 You secretly sometimes will go crazy on...

03:02:57.000 Not when I'm strict like this. 1.00

03:02:58.000 Keto kid is back, bitch. 1.00

03:02:59.000 Wow, keto kid is back. 1.00

03:03:01.000 I'm back. 1.00

03:03:01.000 I didn't mean to call you a bitch. 1.00

03:03:02.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

03:03:03.000 How was the pescatarian?

03:03:05.000 You tried pescatarian for a while.

03:03:06.000 How'd that go?

03:03:07.000 Nah, keto's the only thing that works for me.

03:03:08.000 It's not for everyone, but keto works for me.

03:03:10.000 But does it work for you in terms of the way you feel?

03:03:12.000 Yeah, the way I feel.

03:03:13.000 The way I feel, it's easier to stick to, but the way I feel when I'm on it, I don't want to cheat.

03:03:18.000 I don't want carbs.

03:03:19.000 I don't want that food anymore, so I'm good.

03:03:21.000 I go between keto and low carb.

03:03:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:03:23.000 And then occasionally I'll fuck off and have like a pastrami sub. 0.99

03:03:26.000 I call that keto-ish. 0.99

03:03:28.000 I do a thing where I go through Whole Foods and Erewhon and I'll look at people and I try to spot the vegans.

03:03:37.000 This is so mean.

03:03:38.000 Get those day-live glasses.

03:03:40.000 Boy, when I see somebody super pale and drawn out, and they just look sunken in, I'll look in their cart, and it's like, they've got oats and some seaweed, and it's just all vegan stuff.

03:03:52.000 I'm always like, you could use a little protein.

03:03:54.000 Well, really, it's just some people are just doing it wrong.

03:03:57.000 That's really what it is.

03:03:58.000 You can do it right, but it's just like keto.

03:04:00.000 It requires a lot of thinking and planning. 1.00

03:04:04.000 I've seen people argue it online, so stupid. 1.00

03:04:07.000 Nobody ever gets to ketosis bullshit. 1.00

03:04:09.000 Of course they do, stupid. 1.00

03:04:10.000 Of course they do. 1.00

03:04:11.000 It's measurable.

03:04:12.000 People do it and they find benefit to it.

03:04:14.000 Some people don't find benefit to it, though.

03:04:16.000 But it's important to point out that it's not hard to get.

03:04:20.000 You just have to do what's required.

03:04:22.000 It can be done.

03:04:23.000 It's not difficult to get to.

03:04:25.000 And the idea that nobody gets there is just so wrong.

03:04:27.000 People get there all the time.

03:04:29.000 It's a matter of whether or not getting there will be good for you. 1.00

03:04:32.000 I'll have people email me on social media like, dude, keto's stupid, man. 1.00

03:04:36.000 You can't do that for a long time. 1.00

03:04:38.000 It's not for me.

03:04:39.000 I'm like, it worked for me, man. 0.99

03:04:41.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.97

03:04:42.000 I'm not saying it for everyone. 0.99

03:04:44.000 Don D'Agostino's been on it forever.

03:04:46.000 Yeah.

03:04:46.000 He's been on it forever, but Rhonda Patrick was on the other day, and she was pointing out how with some people, it's not the right diet for your body.

03:04:53.000 I don't think it works for me.

03:04:54.000 It probably doesn't.

03:04:54.000 I read that book, The Plant Paradox, and I've told this before, but I stopped eating bread and those whole wheat things and all the things he talks about.

03:05:03.000 He's more of a plant-based guy, but...

03:05:05.000 It did cure my plaque psoriasis up until yesterday because I started eating bread again. 1.00

03:05:10.000 You son of a bitch. 1.00

03:05:11.000 It cured my plaque psoriasis. 1.00

03:05:13.000 It fucking got rid of it. 0.97

03:05:14.000 I'm not saying it's the end be all, but it works for me, man. 0.99

03:05:18.000 Depending on what you eat. 0.99

03:05:19.000 I don't give a fuck what diet you do. 1.00

03:05:21.000 That's what I do. 0.99

03:05:22.000 Never works.

03:05:23.000 Yeah, I'm eating real low carb or keto.

03:05:26.000 Yes.

03:05:27.000 That's all it is.

03:05:28.000 Me too.

03:05:28.000 It's either I'm keto or every now and then I'll definitely, I'll feel it when I get off of it.

03:05:32.000 What do you mean low carb?

03:05:33.000 You eat a lot of vegetables, right?

03:05:35.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

03:05:35.000 A lot of vegetables, but low carb in terms of no refined bullshit. 0.99

03:05:38.000 No flour. 0.96

03:05:40.000 No rice.

03:05:40.000 And when I get into those states, I know when I have too much fruit because then I'll start craving it.

03:05:47.000 I'll start like craving carbs.

03:05:49.000 Really?

03:05:49.000 The sugar.

03:05:50.000 I can tell. 0.99

03:05:51.000 I mean, I have tested myself a few times, but it's annoying to stick that fucking thing in your hand and extract the blood and put it on the tab. 0.99

03:05:58.000 But you can feel when you're in that state of ketosis. 0.95

03:06:00.000 Like, I'll monitor my diet real steady for five, six days, and sometimes there'll be like a little dip, because I've done it so many times it's not as noticeable, there'll be a little dip in your energy during your workouts.

03:06:11.000 But then when I come on the other side of it, then as soon as I feel like no hunger pangs, Like, I'm good.

03:06:18.000 And then I went, oh, okay, I'm in.

03:06:20.000 Can you eat sweet potatoes?

03:06:23.000 You can, but you can't eat too much.

03:06:25.000 Like, sweet potato has a lot of fiber in it.

03:06:28.000 It's one of the reasons why it's one of the better potatoes for you to eat.

03:06:32.000 It's got a lot of vitamins in it.

03:06:34.000 Yams and sweet potatoes are fantastic for you.

03:06:36.000 Yeah.

03:06:37.000 But it's like, how much are you taking in?

03:06:39.000 How much actual sugar does your body have to process?

03:06:42.000 If it's just a small portion of it, I'm sure it's fine if your overall meals are filled with really healthy food, avocados, healthy fats, good solid protein with no bullshit in it, and no wheat. 0.99

03:06:55.000 Just keep the fuck away from wheat. 0.99

03:06:57.000 Keep the fuck away from pasta. 1.00

03:06:59.000 Or don't. 0.99

03:06:59.000 Every now and then, have it. 0.99

03:07:01.000 But if you could just get most of your diet free of that shit, you'll just feel better. 1.00

03:07:06.000 You just feel better. 1.00

03:07:07.000 I do. 0.99

03:07:07.000 If you ate too many mashed potatoes or sweet potatoes and got out of ketosis, as long as you're not eating any bullshit, I don't even think that's bad. 0.99

03:07:16.000 I mean, maybe your body will have more of an insulin response, but I mean, you're having all that fiber with your sugar.

03:07:22.000 You know, if you're eating a yam or a mashed potato or a sweet potato, it's not like eating candy. 0.99

03:07:28.000 A lot of it depends on your activity level, your age, all that shit, too. 0.99

03:07:32.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

03:07:33.000 That's a big one.

03:07:34.000 A lot of factors.

03:07:34.000 That's a big one, is post-workout.

03:07:36.000 Like, how many people work out like you did when you were fighting? 0.97

03:07:40.000 How many fucking human beings know what it's like to put in those hard two-a-days and just be fried four weeks into camp, realize you got two to go? 0.99

03:07:50.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

03:07:50.000 The worst. 1.00

03:07:51.000 Speak to it, man.

03:07:52.000 Speak to it.

03:07:53.000 Speak to it.

03:07:55.000 You're nauseous?

03:07:56.000 Speak to it.

03:07:56.000 My coach, Tony Jeffries, he gets it.

03:07:59.000 He was an Olympic boxer and boxing professional.

03:08:01.000 He'd go, yeah, you're three weeks in.

03:08:03.000 You have four more weeks of this, Brendan.

03:08:05.000 Let's get to work. 1.00

03:08:07.000 Just fucking with me. 1.00

03:08:08.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

03:08:09.000 That's why a guy like you has to keep an eye on his appetite after you get out of fighting.

03:08:14.000 Yes. 0.98

03:08:14.000 Because you're not broken down like that all day anymore, where you can just Fucking shovel it in. 0.98

03:08:20.000 Anytime you're doing anything that's super difficult and you're working out twice in a day, man, you're going to be hungry all the time. 0.93

03:08:29.000 And your body gets into that headspace.

03:08:32.000 But even back then, I wish I was more knowledgeable on diet and stuff like that.

03:08:35.000 I hired some nutritionists, but I never really clicked with anyone.

03:08:38.000 But I have more knowledge now on...

03:08:42.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

03:08:44.000 I almost threw up again.

03:08:45.000 I just threw up in my mouth.

03:08:46.000 It's all good, though.

03:08:47.000 Back to the taquito diet.

03:08:48.000 So, I have more knowledge now.

03:08:50.000 Did you say taquito diet?

03:08:52.000 I'm struggle city right now.

03:08:56.000 I threw up in my mouth. 0.99

03:08:57.000 My breath smells like fucking throw up. 0.99

03:09:02.000 Anyways, I wish I had more knowledge back then when I was fighting on diet and stuff. 0.99

03:09:06.000 Because I didn't.

03:09:07.000 I would talk to people and try to figure it out.

03:09:09.000 I'm like, you're burning so many calories.

03:09:10.000 Eat whatever you want.

03:09:11.000 I'm like, God, I don't think that's the right answer. 0.99

03:09:13.000 When I played at University of Colorado and I would ask the nutritionist, I'm like, man, I feel like this yogurt you're giving us in Gatorade has so much fucking sugar. 0.96

03:09:20.000 And she goes, you're fine. 0.98

03:09:21.000 You're going to burn it off.

03:09:23.000 I'm like, this doesn't seem right to me, man.

03:09:25.000 Because I look at everyone's bodies. 1.00

03:09:26.000 We look like shit. 1.00

03:09:28.000 That is true. 1.00

03:09:29.000 But...

03:09:30.000 You definitely have different requirements than a person who doesn't do the kind of working out that you do.

03:09:35.000 Oh, for sure.

03:09:36.000 Well, your body will burn a certain amount of sugar and a certain amount, especially when it comes to fruits or anything complex.

03:09:41.000 100%, but I think even though you're burning those calories, you can put good fuel in and still get calories.

03:09:48.000 You don't have to get it from cheeseburgers and candy.

03:09:51.000 You can get it through high-quality foods, even still.

03:09:54.000 But what I'm saying, getting that in terms of overall performance, if you want to do it perfectly, I don't know if keto is the way to go for a fighter.

03:10:01.000 I think the strains and requirements on your body, in terms of the amount of fuel your body needs to burn, there's an argument that, especially for a lot of people, not for everybody, but for a lot of people, having more carbohydrates in your diet than is required to stay in a state of ketosis is probably the same.

03:10:17.000 Man, what fighter did I talk to?

03:10:20.000 I want to say Lance Palmer.

03:10:21.000 Sorry, Lance, if I'm off on this.

03:10:23.000 Lance told me, one of the fighters I've had on my show goes, man, for the last three weeks before my fight, he has to make weight.

03:10:31.000 He goes, I go keto.

03:10:32.000 I make weight easily.

03:10:33.000 He goes, I've never felt better.

03:10:34.000 Yeah, Brian Carraway said that too.

03:10:36.000 Brian Carraway did that.

03:10:37.000 I've never talked to him, so it wasn't him for me.

03:10:39.000 Might be Lance Palmer.

03:10:40.000 Might be.

03:10:41.000 Well, look, everybody's body responds differently.

03:10:44.000 That's another problem.

03:10:45.000 Everybody's body responds differently to all sorts of different diets.

03:10:49.000 I never push it on people.

03:10:49.000 People ask me, I say, this is what I do, man.

03:10:51.000 I don't know if it's for you.

03:10:51.000 For me, when I'm on the road, I can find keto meals when I go to a steakhouse.

03:10:56.000 It's easy.

03:10:57.000 It's super easy for me when I'm on the road.

03:10:58.000 Yeah, everybody's body.

03:10:59.000 Medicine is that way now.

03:11:02.000 Sure.

03:11:02.000 That's why they give you pointed, targeted therapy.

03:11:05.000 They've got to see what your genome is.

03:11:07.000 Well, I always bring up you and your mom when you talk about Brazil nuts.

03:11:10.000 Yeah.

03:11:10.000 Your mom can't eat Brazil nuts.

03:11:11.000 You could brush her skin with them. 1.00

03:11:13.000 That's crazy.

03:11:14.000 And she would break out.

03:11:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:11:16.000 That's fucking nuts. 1.00

03:11:17.000 What did your mom use called those nuts? 1.00

03:11:18.000 I forget.

03:11:19.000 Brazil nuts.

03:11:20.000 Is that what she always called it? 0.99

03:11:21.000 But out of all the things to be allergic to, the wackest nut of them all, the shittiest tasting stupid nut, like when you get one of those things of mixed nuts, you get those Brazil nuts, you're like, all right, all right, giant nuts. 1.00

03:11:34.000 Throw that big stupid nut down. 1.00

03:11:34.000 I know, but they say they're good sloth toes. 1.00

03:11:37.000 Sloth toes, yeah.

03:11:38.000 Am I making that up?

03:11:39.000 Yeah, they do.

03:11:40.000 Oh, that's what she calls them?

03:11:41.000 Sloth toes?

03:11:41.000 I feel like we call it something else.

03:11:43.000 Sloth toes, right?

03:11:44.000 They look like sloth toes.

03:11:45.000 Maybe I just made that up now.

03:11:47.000 You might have.

03:11:47.000 That's what it looks like.

03:11:48.000 I'm sick.

03:11:49.000 I'm sick. 1.00

03:11:50.000 But Brazil nuts, like I heard that they're good for sports and for your liver or some bullshit. 0.99

03:11:57.000 So what I do, good old Brian decides to start... 0.98

03:12:00.000 Chopping them up six, seven at a time, putting them in my shake.

03:12:04.000 That's all good.

03:12:05.000 Problem is, I inherited a little of the old allergic stuff.

03:12:10.000 Now, when you are allergic and you keep eating something, you'll develop more and more of a reaction with less.

03:12:15.000 Whoa.

03:12:16.000 I would notice that all of a sudden, periodically, my throat would be sore.

03:12:20.000 It'd just be swollen and sore. 0.99

03:12:23.000 And I was like, what the fuck is going on? 0.98

03:12:24.000 Not sick, but my throat. 0.99

03:12:25.000 And then my entire mouth, at one point, swelled up and it looked like the roof of my mouth had been burned.

03:12:34.000 And my dentist goes, did you burn the entire roof of your mouth?

03:12:39.000 I went, no.

03:12:40.000 And he goes, your mouth, it looks like it's been burned.

03:12:44.000 Like somebody stuck a thing out.

03:12:45.000 I go, yeah, it's killing me. 0.99

03:12:47.000 I don't know what the fuck is going on. 0.99

03:12:48.000 He goes... 1.00

03:12:49.000 You allergic to something?

03:12:50.000 I said, no, I'm not allergic.

03:12:51.000 He goes, are you eating a nut that you might be allergic to?

03:12:54.000 And I said, ah.

03:12:56.000 And so I was developing very quickly a major problem.

03:12:59.000 Wow, that's insane.

03:13:00.000 Have you ever heard of the Lone Star Tick that it gives people a red meat allergy?

03:13:06.000 I have.

03:13:07.000 I listen to a podcast.

03:13:10.000 Radiolab, Alpha Gal.

03:13:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:13:11.000 Yeah, there's some fucking compound. 1.00

03:13:14.000 Very rare thing. 0.99

03:13:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:13:15.000 The tick is becoming less and less rare. 0.99

03:13:18.000 Tick-borne diseases are fucking horrifying. 0.98

03:13:21.000 There are so many people out there that are suffering from chronic Lyme. 0.99

03:13:24.000 They don't catch it quick enough.

03:13:26.000 They don't get the antibiotics in their system quick enough.

03:13:28.000 I know somebody who has that.

03:13:29.000 My friend Chandra, her dad got a shot for Lyme disease.

03:13:34.000 They used to give you a vaccination and he caught Lyme disease from the vaccination. 0.99

03:13:40.000 God damn. 0.99

03:13:40.000 They don't do that vaccination anymore. 0.99

03:13:42.000 Damn it. 1.00

03:13:43.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

03:13:44.000 And once you have Lyme, there's no way to cure it, right? 1.00

03:13:46.000 No, there is.

03:13:47.000 You take massive amounts of tetracycline, etc.

03:13:50.000 Yeah.

03:13:50.000 But everybody's result is different.

03:13:52.000 Some people catch it too late and it's like chronic.

03:13:56.000 Well, Jimmy Burke had tuberculosis.

03:13:58.000 We called him Jimmy Burculosis.

03:13:59.000 You don't know about that?

03:14:00.000 When did he have that?

03:14:01.000 Jimmy Burculosis got it.

03:14:03.000 They thought for six months, it was about three months, they thought he had the disease that killed Bernie Mac.

03:14:09.000 They thought he had that or lung cancer.

03:14:11.000 And I'm with Jimmy.

03:14:13.000 He's walking around with a machine that's straining his lungs.

03:14:15.000 They couldn't figure it out.

03:14:17.000 Where does it hook up?

03:14:18.000 Through his mouth?

03:14:20.000 I think a thing to his chest.

03:14:22.000 How long ago was that being?

03:14:23.000 This is 10 years ago.

03:14:24.000 He was walking around?

03:14:26.000 Yeah, in the hospital.

03:14:27.000 And that was what he was looking at.

03:14:30.000 So I fly to New York. 1.00

03:14:30.000 It's my fucking brother, right? 1.00

03:14:32.000 I fly to New York. 1.00

03:14:32.000 I'm like, dude. 1.00

03:14:33.000 I go, you know, you either have the thing that turns your lungs to sand or lung cancer?

03:14:40.000 And he goes, that's what they're telling me, Bob.

03:14:42.000 And we're talking and he's hanging out. 0.99

03:14:44.000 I go, how the fuck are you not in crisis right now? 0.98

03:14:49.000 And he goes, dude, I made peace with my death so fucking long ago that if I'm going to go like this, everybody's laughing. 1.00

03:14:57.000 And my funeral better be a fucking party. 0.99

03:15:01.000 Anyway, long story short, they come in and they, of course, guess who falls in love with them? 0.99

03:15:07.000 All the doctors, because it's Jimmy Burke. 1.00

03:15:08.000 All the fucking doctors. 1.00

03:15:11.000 And they fall in love with him. 1.00

03:15:12.000 And when they found out that he had tuberculosis on the outside of his lung, it wasn't on the inside, which was really weird.

03:15:18.000 He had it on the outside.

03:15:19.000 He got it probably from his grandfather, who he had been exposed to when he was three, four years old.

03:15:23.000 Whoa.

03:15:24.000 Yeah, when he was done.

03:15:26.000 What do they do for tuberculosis?

03:15:27.000 So with tuberculosis, they give you nine months of antibiotics.

03:15:33.000 Ooh.

03:15:33.000 And what that did to Jimmy...

03:15:35.000 Can't feel good.

03:15:35.000 What that did to Jimmy is...

03:15:36.000 Itchy asshole. 1.00

03:15:37.000 Itchy asshole. 1.00

03:15:38.000 No, not just that. 1.00

03:15:39.000 It made him colorblind.

03:15:40.000 So he can't see certain colors. 1.00

03:15:42.000 Oh, damn. 1.00

03:15:43.000 From the antibiotics? 1.00

03:15:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:15:44.000 Nobody healthier, by the way, but he went through some shit. 1.00

03:15:47.000 The way he handled that was amazing. 0.99

03:15:48.000 To this day, he's still colorblind?

03:15:50.000 Oh, yeah.

03:15:51.000 From antibiotics?

03:15:52.000 Oh, yes, sir.

03:15:53.000 It changed his body a little bit, too.

03:15:56.000 He wasn't as muscular.

03:15:56.000 I think he lost some weight.

03:15:58.000 Bro, you ever take antibiotics and make your asshole itch? 1.00

03:16:00.000 Like the ring of your ass itch? 1.00

03:16:01.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

03:16:01.000 No. 1.00

03:16:01.000 Oh, you didn't take the right ones. 1.00

03:16:03.000 I mean, I want to take something that doesn't make the ring of my asshole itch. 0.99

03:16:05.000 Well, antibiotics is one of the side effects. 0.99

03:16:08.000 No, to break TB, that fucking nine months where he was... 0.98

03:16:13.000 Dude, I got staph once. 0.99

03:16:16.000 I got it twice.

03:16:17.000 I remember that.

03:16:17.000 But I got it once, and I took the antibiotics, and we went out to dinner.

03:16:21.000 You and me and Patty Jenkins.

03:16:23.000 And you couldn't drink.

03:16:24.000 And not only could I not drink, my head felt like I had a lead helmet sitting on my head.

03:16:30.000 I was like, I can't believe how shitty I feel. 0.72

03:16:33.000 I feel so weak and so shitty, and I'd just gotten on them.

03:16:36.000 I was only on them for a couple of days.

03:16:38.000 Oh, for sure.

03:16:38.000 And I remember thinking, like, how could anybody fight on this?

03:16:42.000 How about guys fight with them? 0.99

03:16:43.000 They're crazy. 0.99

03:16:44.000 It drains you so bad.

03:16:47.000 I didn't train, obviously, because I had staff.

03:16:49.000 I didn't want to give it to anybody, but I did try to use some weights and do some working out.

03:16:53.000 It was useless.

03:16:54.000 I tried to hit the bag. 1.00

03:16:55.000 Useless. 0.99

03:16:56.000 That's what's crazy when you find out fighters. 0.97

03:16:58.000 They're like, yeah, he won that fight and he was on antibiotics. 0.99

03:17:00.000 What the fuck? 1.00

03:17:01.000 Yeah, fucking Kevin Lee. 1.00

03:17:03.000 When he fought against Tony Ferguson, I looked at his chest. 1.00

03:17:06.000 The moment he walked into the cage, I was like, that is staph.

03:17:09.000 How about Hodger Gracie against Bouchesha? 1.00

03:17:11.000 Did he have staph?

03:17:12.000 Yeah, he was on antibiotics.

03:17:14.000 No way!

03:17:15.000 He goes, I didn't come here to tap.

03:17:16.000 That's insane!

03:17:17.000 And then they're like, you look a little sluggish.

03:17:18.000 He's like, I was on antibiotics the whole time.

03:17:20.000 That's insane.

03:17:21.000 You could see Bushesha on antibiotics.

03:17:23.000 Nuts. 1.00

03:17:24.000 Holy shit. 1.00

03:17:25.000 You could see that Kevin Lee had staph on him. 1.00

03:17:27.000 100%.

03:17:27.000 He had an extra titty on his chest.

03:17:29.000 He had a giant welt on his chest. 0.86

03:17:32.000 And I pointed it out to Daniel.

03:17:34.000 I pointed out, I go, does that look like staph?

03:17:35.000 It was hilarious.

03:17:36.000 Someone in Daniel's ears was saying, do not talk about it.

03:17:39.000 Do not talk about it.

03:17:40.000 And he's like, yep, that looks like staph to me! 0.99

03:17:43.000 Right when you said it, I was like, oh shit, I hope Joe's right, man. 0.99

03:17:46.000 Oh no, I'm right. 1.00

03:17:48.000 Oh shit. 1.00

03:17:48.000 I mean, there's no way that could be anything else. 1.00

03:17:49.000 It turned out it was, right?

03:17:50.000 Yeah.

03:17:51.000 It's swollen.

03:17:52.000 Like, something either happened, like maybe he got burnt backstage.

03:17:54.000 God, what's next for that kid?

03:17:56.000 I haven't heard anything.

03:17:57.000 You think he'd be taking a break, you know?

03:17:58.000 His coach just committed to his life.

03:18:01.000 His coach committed to his life.

03:18:01.000 Oh, it was Robert Foles.

03:18:02.000 Yeah, man.

03:18:03.000 That was his coach.

03:18:04.000 That's a bummer.

03:18:04.000 Robert Foles is a great guy.

03:18:07.000 I didn't know he committed suicide.

03:18:08.000 I knew he died.

03:18:10.000 I heard that there had been a rumor about that, but it wasn't confirmed.

03:18:13.000 That's what I heard, suicide.

03:18:14.000 Did his brother commit suicide as well?

03:18:16.000 Yes. 1.00

03:18:17.000 Fuck! 1.00

03:18:17.000 They're poor parents. 1.00

03:18:19.000 Fuck. 1.00

03:18:20.000 He was a really, really nice guy. 1.00

03:18:23.000 Very smart guy, too.

03:18:25.000 Very smart guy.

03:18:26.000 That's such a bummer, man.

03:18:28.000 You know, and who knows what causes someone who's so well-loved and so liked, you know, that's a great argument for like chemical issues versus like, I mean, you can tell some people just don't have good lives.

03:18:44.000 Everything's going bad for them.

03:18:46.000 They want to end their life because they can't take the pain.

03:18:48.000 But then there's other people that are like him that are doing really well.

03:18:51.000 You know, and you gotta go, man, what is it? 0.99

03:18:53.000 It is a fucking mystery. 0.98

03:18:56.000 And we all have this real problem when it comes to people doing things that we would think would, you know, you'd consider to be something that someone who doesn't have control of themselves does. 0.99

03:19:07.000 And we shun that.

03:19:09.000 We don't like that.

03:19:10.000 It bothers us.

03:19:11.000 But there's a reality.

03:19:13.000 To pain and suffering that we have to address.

03:19:17.000 And shaming someone for wanting to end their life is not...

03:19:22.000 No.

03:19:22.000 Until you've been faced with that kind of despair.

03:19:25.000 If your despair level is to the point where you take your own life, you have my utmost and everlasting sympathy.

03:19:35.000 I don't have a judgment on that.

03:19:37.000 I've never been there.

03:19:38.000 So the idea that I would be like, get it together...

03:19:41.000 Usually a rational decision for someone who commits suicide is the only way out of this terrible situation is death.

03:19:49.000 That's a rational decision.

03:19:51.000 I have nothing but my ultimate...

03:19:54.000 All you can do is shake your head and feel sad, not judgmental. 0.99

03:19:58.000 It's fucking completely horrible. 0.99

03:20:00.000 I mean, when you stop and think about the idea of wanting to end your life... 1.00

03:20:03.000 I feel lucky I don't have that level of serotonin in my brain.

03:20:09.000 Yeah.

03:20:09.000 But I think, again, I think for a lot of people it goes back to what's the chemical reaction that's going on in your brain?

03:20:19.000 Is it just an issue with some sort of a disorder where there's something that's not producing the right amount of chemicals?

03:20:26.000 Or is it a problem of your past?

03:20:29.000 It could be a conflation of a lot of different factors.

03:20:32.000 But one thing to know is that...

03:20:34.000 You have a set point for your serotonin usually.

03:20:37.000 Certain people like me, I probably have a serotonin level from 1 to 10 at usually 7 to 8. No matter what's going on, I'm always, I'm just lucky.

03:20:48.000 I just very rarely get depressed.

03:20:50.000 And if I do, it's a mild sort of haze.

03:20:54.000 Some people, they could invent the cure for every disease in the world and win the lottery and all this stuff.

03:21:00.000 They just go back to their serotonin levels being at 4 or I think it's a little bit more complicated than that, but I think there's some people that are just never happy for whatever reason.

03:21:11.000 Whatever reason, chemically, or whether it could be aided by excuses.

03:21:16.000 Neil Brennan talks about that, right?

03:21:17.000 Neil's always been melancholy.

03:21:22.000 He's always been sort of in that blue region and I've always been so brilliant You know, so when you hear him talk about it like he was like yeah with the Chappelle stuff and he's like I'm always just here man, especially if medication.

03:21:34.000 I'm just here.

03:21:35.000 I just go through the motions.

03:21:36.000 He's a very smart guy Oh man, he's brilliant.

03:21:39.000 You know, I think there's also an issue with people that are really smart.

03:21:42.000 They look at the futility of it all.

03:21:44.000 It's sometimes harder for them to overcome.

03:21:46.000 Well, Doug Davidoff has the greatest joke about that.

03:21:49.000 He goes, he'd suffer from depression.

03:21:51.000 I go, how you doing?

03:21:52.000 Yeah, he wouldn't call me.

03:21:53.000 I go, where you been? 0.94

03:21:53.000 He goes, you know, I got a touch of the black dog. 0.94

03:21:56.000 And I'm like, yeah.

03:21:58.000 And this joke goes, you ever want to like... 0.88

03:22:01.000 Kill somebody, but you can't get yourself off the couch. 0.81

03:22:05.000 It's like you're too depressed to get off the couch.

03:22:08.000 It's like some people have a real thing.

03:22:10.000 Oh, yeah.

03:22:11.000 They get overwhelmed.

03:22:12.000 There's no denying.

03:22:13.000 It's like, but how much can exercise help you?

03:22:15.000 How much can diet help you?

03:22:17.000 It's a factor.

03:22:18.000 It's not the only factor, but it's a factor.

03:22:20.000 And there's a lot of people that don't realize that.

03:22:23.000 And they go through life.

03:22:24.000 They have these issues.

03:22:25.000 And then there's people that have all the exercise and the diet, right?

03:22:27.000 They still are depressed.

03:22:29.000 Yeah, still not the answer.

03:22:30.000 They have so much going for them.

03:22:32.000 And then there's head trauma.

03:22:34.000 That's always going to be a factor.

03:22:36.000 There's TBI and CTE and all the different things that that does to your head.

03:22:42.000 There's no doubt about that.

03:22:43.000 I was thinking about Chris Cornell because Chris Cornell had such an artistic, fully artistic...

03:22:49.000 He accomplished so much artistically and his artistry was continuing to flourish.

03:22:55.000 And kind of in the middle of that with children and so much to live for.

03:22:59.000 Anti-anxiety medication.

03:23:01.000 Oh, is that what he was taking?

03:23:02.000 Yeah, he called his wife up before he did it, and he was slurring his words, and they think he was on a lot of that stuff.

03:23:08.000 Well, how about the senior of Linkin Park? 0.99

03:23:10.000 Same shit. 1.00

03:23:11.000 He had seven kids. 1.00

03:23:13.000 He had real depression, too, and he was sexually abused when he was young.

03:23:17.000 Oh, he was?

03:23:18.000 Yeah.

03:23:19.000 Yeah, but anti-anxiety medication has various effects on people.

03:23:22.000 Some people it's a godsend for, but it's just like the Brazil nuts thing.

03:23:27.000 Some people are going to have an adverse reaction to it, and you have to be prepared for whatever that reaction could be.

03:23:32.000 Yeah, that's a good point. 0.99

03:23:34.000 Yeah, it's a fucking bummer, man. 0.99

03:23:35.000 The human body, we don't have it figured out, but goddamn, they're getting closer and closer. 0.99

03:23:39.000 But it goes back to the fact that we're all very complicated, we're all individuals, so have a little compassion for each other. 0.97

03:23:44.000 Yeah, have a little compassion would be nice.

03:23:46.000 There's a lot of people lashing out because they don't feel good.

03:23:48.000 I watched this lady the other day cut in front of somebody. 1.00

03:23:51.000 It was hilarious.

03:23:52.000 This guy's trying to get into this lane, and this lady speeds up to try to keep the guy from getting in the lane, and the guy sees it, so he just kind of eases over anyway, and she just lays on her horn. 0.98

03:24:03.000 Bam! 0.98

03:24:04.000 And then the guy pulls up, like he's in this lane now, and he pulls up and she gets in the next lane, shoots in front of him, turns her car in front of him and slams on the brakes. 1.00

03:24:14.000 Jesus Christ.

03:24:15.000 And so he gets to the left of her and just starts going towards her.

03:24:19.000 And she freaks out and turns into traffic and has to slam on the brakes like, you just had... 0.99

03:24:23.000 A crazy hissy fit over nothing because you did that cunty thing that all of us have been guilty of doing where you don't let somebody in your lane. 1.00

03:24:31.000 And this guy was like, fuck you, I'm getting in. 1.00

03:24:33.000 It's like she sped up. 1.00

03:24:34.000 She sped up to keep him from going in.

03:24:36.000 I saw you watch it all play out and you're like, wow.

03:24:38.000 I was in Park City with my mother driving her SUV and I wasn't even driving fast.

03:24:44.000 And this woman, older woman with a very old, like an old matronly, like you used to be the principal of your school. 1.00

03:24:50.000 And short hair, and she had her golden retriever, and she dressed in a preppy fashion.

03:24:56.000 Slow down! 0.97

03:24:57.000 Oh my god.

03:24:58.000 And then I go, oh, and I wasn't even going fast, and she just goes, mmm! 1.00

03:25:01.000 And I could hear her make that noise. 0.98

03:25:03.000 She goes, mmm! 1.00

03:25:04.000 Like that with her, and she gave me the hardest middle finger. 1.00

03:25:07.000 Oh my god.

03:25:08.000 And I went, are you kidding me?

03:25:10.000 And she goes, I'm calling the police!

03:25:11.000 And reached for her phone right away.

03:25:13.000 For what?

03:25:14.000 That's what I said.

03:25:15.000 I go, oh, for what?

03:25:16.000 I go, have a nice day!

03:25:18.000 And just kept going.

03:25:19.000 I remember getting in a road rage situation with this dude when I first moved to LA. We're looking at each other on the highway and he takes his shirt off to show me his tattoos.

03:25:28.000 He's screaming at me and I'm not reacting.

03:25:30.000 I'm just looking at him.

03:25:31.000 I'm like, what is going to happen here?

03:25:32.000 I'm like, why is this guy trying so hard to scare me? 1.00

03:25:36.000 Fuck you! 1.00

03:25:36.000 Fucking pull over! 1.00

03:25:37.000 Fucking pull over! 1.00

03:25:38.000 So he takes his shirt off. 1.00

03:25:40.000 He's got these tattoos.

03:25:41.000 By the way, he does not look built.

03:25:43.000 I'm like, you're in trouble, fella.

03:25:44.000 You don't really know how to fight.

03:25:46.000 Sloppy.

03:25:46.000 I highly doubt it.

03:25:48.000 I mean, you get fooled sometimes, but I'm like, this is a guy who's trying to scare me, which is probably, he's probably terrified.

03:25:53.000 A lot of noise.

03:25:53.000 Yeah, and so I'm just looking at him, and the more I'm looking at him, he just keeps screaming at me, because I'm not reacting to him.

03:25:58.000 I'm just like, Looking at him, he's screaming, and I'm in my car driving, and he's looking at me. 1.00

03:26:03.000 And I was driving a Suburban, too, which I thought was hilarious, because he goes, you rich piece of shit! 1.00

03:26:09.000 I was like, I'm in a Suburban. 1.00

03:26:10.000 How do you know if I'm rich?

03:26:12.000 Suburban, sir.

03:26:12.000 This isn't even a rich car.

03:26:14.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

03:26:15.000 Where's this coming from? 1.00

03:26:16.000 It was real screamy. 0.99

03:26:18.000 And I was thinking at this time, I could make a terrible mistake, where I could say, oh yeah, I think I could just fuck this guy up. 1.00

03:26:23.000 Let me pull his car over and teach this asshole. 1.00

03:26:25.000 What you do as a young guy. 1.00

03:26:26.000 Yeah, which...

03:26:27.000 Yeah, I was only like 28 at the time. 1.00

03:26:30.000 I was still pretty fucking stupid. 1.00

03:26:32.000 But this guy screaming at me almost made me realize how dumb it is. 1.00

03:26:36.000 I was like watching, taking his shirt off, showing me his tattoos. 0.98

03:26:39.000 There's no upside.

03:26:40.000 To this day, though. 0.99

03:26:41.000 To this day, there'd be like a day would go by that I would think, I should have just fucked that dude up. 1.00

03:26:45.000 Whoop his ass with his shirt off. 1.00

03:26:47.000 It was like 20 years ago. 1.00

03:26:48.000 Of course.

03:26:48.000 It was 20 years ago.

03:26:49.000 I've seen you.

03:26:50.000 What's the best case scenario though? 1.00

03:26:52.000 I literally think I should have just pulled over and kicked that fucking dude's legs out from under him and choked him unconscious. 1.00

03:26:58.000 It'd be hilarious. 1.00

03:26:59.000 But it's so stupid to harbor those thoughts 20 years later. 1.00

03:27:03.000 That's how dumb those instances where you want to go in a lane and someone doesn't want to let you and they speed up and they're like fucking honk honk, fuck you! 1.00

03:27:09.000 Like that tension. 1.00

03:27:10.000 It's so dumb you'll hold on to some of those dumb thoughts for decades. 0.99

03:27:14.000 Dude, I had a guy the other day, I was driving off Abbot Kenney, I looked at my phone at directions, and I was at a stop sign, and you know, it was my turn to go, but I was looking down at my phone for directions, and this guy behind me, he's like a regular worker, like in a car, just goes nuts, nuts, honking and whoring, and I waved that, I'm like, hi Batman, and then I'm driving, he goes around me, slams on the brakes, And starts flipping me off talking shit. 0.99

03:27:38.000 I'm like, dude, come on, man. 0.93

03:27:41.000 And I'm like, alright, alright, go, man.

03:27:43.000 I got it, I got it. 1.00

03:27:44.000 I fucked up. 1.00

03:27:45.000 Keep going. 1.00

03:27:46.000 And then he won't let me go.

03:27:47.000 I'm like, dude, you gotta let me go, man. 1.00

03:27:49.000 He just keeps talking shit. 1.00

03:27:50.000 I'm like, what the fuck am I gonna do, man? 1.00

03:27:52.000 I'm gonna beat up this dad. 1.00

03:27:54.000 What the fuck am I gonna do? 0.99

03:27:56.000 But he's playing a game that he thinks he's safe playing, you know, because we're not in Serbia. 0.99

03:28:00.000 Nobody's pulling guns out and gunning people down the street. 1.00

03:28:03.000 These people, they'll do that kind of shit. 0.99

03:28:05.000 I watched these two guys race each other and they were cutting in front of each other and slamming on the brakes and doing that thing and slamming on the brakes and yelling shit out each other at the window. 1.00

03:28:14.000 And just watch him, and you go, like, this could be nothing, or it could be your life. 0.95

03:28:18.000 Correct.

03:28:19.000 Like, you could hit that guy, he can go into traffic, somebody could die, he could hit someone on the street. 0.98

03:28:23.000 Like, you guys are speeding like you're in this death race, like you're in some fucking Mad Max movie, but you're on a residential street. 0.94

03:28:30.000 Dude, me and this guy, he's yelling at me, and I'm like, what are you going to do, man? 0.88

03:28:33.000 What are you going to do?

03:28:34.000 Are you going to fight me? 1.00

03:28:35.000 What the fuck are you going to do? 1.00

03:28:36.000 And he goes, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what the fuck are you going to do. 1.00

03:28:39.000 And I was like... 0.99

03:28:42.000 I took off my glasses. 0.99

03:28:43.000 I went, you're fucking serious. 0.99

03:28:45.000 You're serious right now. 0.99

03:28:46.000 He's like, keeps going.

03:28:48.000 And then I thought, am I going to get out and fight this guy?

03:28:51.000 I said, what if he has a gun?

03:28:52.000 And I wanted to go left, but I couldn't because he's blocking me.

03:28:56.000 So I went right.

03:28:57.000 I thought, man, my brother and my friends would make fun of me for going right when I still went left.

03:29:01.000 It's the right thing to do.

03:29:03.000 I was driving like, what am I going to do? 1.00

03:29:05.000 Fight this fucking guy? 1.00

03:29:05.000 Think of that as being like you run into a dog. 1.00

03:29:08.000 Rawr! 1.00

03:29:08.000 Are you supposed to like, hey, fuck you, dog. 1.00

03:29:11.000 No, you sit, bitch. 1.00

03:29:12.000 Sit. 1.00

03:29:12.000 No, you're supposed to go. 1.00

03:29:13.000 I gotta go.

03:29:14.000 But the problem is it's a person.

03:29:16.000 So a person you think of is different than a dog. 1.00

03:29:18.000 A dog is like, get the fuck away from that dog. 1.00

03:29:21.000 You get the fuck away from that person, too. 1.00

03:29:22.000 It's a bit the ego thing, too. 0.99

03:29:24.000 Right.

03:29:24.000 But listen, dude.

03:29:25.000 But I didn't have that. 1.00

03:29:25.000 99.9% of the fucking human beings you interact with, you can kill. 1.00

03:29:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:29:30.000 That should play heavy on your mind. 1.00

03:29:31.000 No, you know what played on my mind was I went, I bet he's going through some shit. 0.99

03:29:36.000 He probably went like a double shift. 0.99

03:29:38.000 Someone probably was texting before me and he's just taking his anger out on me. 1.00

03:29:43.000 I'm just going to go, right, fuck this, man. 1.00

03:29:44.000 I don't need this. 1.00

03:29:45.000 Yeah, but he could have been 10 and still acted like that.

03:29:51.000 And you should have the same reaction.

03:29:53.000 Like, oh God.

03:29:54.000 Like, it's a child.

03:29:55.000 He's a child.

03:29:56.000 He's a grown-up baby. 1.00

03:29:57.000 He's pretending he's going to kick your ass. 1.00

03:29:59.000 I know. 1.00

03:29:59.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

03:30:00.000 One of two things. 1.00

03:30:01.000 Either he has a gun, or he's fucking insane. 1.00

03:30:03.000 Those are the only two possibilities. 1.00

03:30:05.000 Correct.

03:30:05.000 Right?

03:30:05.000 Or he doesn't realize you're a gorilla sitting in your car.

03:30:08.000 You look like a normal-sized person. 1.00

03:30:09.000 I'm an orange Porsche, so he's probably like, fuck this guy. 1.00

03:30:12.000 Yeah, he probably feels like you're some preppy dickhead from Bel Air. 1.00

03:30:16.000 You know? 0.99

03:30:17.000 Some cutie pie.

03:30:18.000 He'd be right.

03:30:18.000 Yeah.

03:30:20.000 We're talking about like road rage incidences.

03:30:23.000 You know, they've figured out why people have road rage too.

03:30:26.000 And one of the reasons why it occurs so often is not just a separation by barriers between you and the other person so you don't have social cues.

03:30:32.000 It's also that your senses are jacked up because you're in a situation where you know that you have to react potentially at a very fast rate.

03:30:42.000 You have to be able to react instantaneously to someone changing your lane.

03:30:44.000 Slam on the brakes!

03:30:45.000 Yeah.

03:30:45.000 So you're at heightened states.

03:30:47.000 And so then you interact with people that you think maybe are fucking with that heightened state. 1.00

03:30:52.000 And you just fucking lay on that horn, you piece of shit, you cut me off! 1.00

03:30:55.000 And everybody's been guilty of it. 1.00

03:30:57.000 And everybody has to learn to negotiate that weird extra urge of aggression that you get when you're in your car.

03:31:05.000 And don't get out of the car and fight.

03:31:07.000 Don't do it.

03:31:08.000 No, don't do it.

03:31:08.000 But people want to do it, man.

03:31:10.000 They want to do it all the time.

03:31:12.000 No.

03:31:12.000 Bad idea.

03:31:13.000 People shoot people all the time. 0.97

03:31:14.000 I feel like they could look at your head and you've got kind of a big head.

03:31:17.000 No, I got a friendly face, man.

03:31:18.000 What about your ears?

03:31:19.000 They're not thinking.

03:31:20.000 They don't see my ears.

03:31:22.000 First of all, this guy... 1.00

03:31:22.000 They see the bullshit haircut. 1.00

03:31:24.000 I'm in an orange Porsche. 1.00

03:31:25.000 I probably got skinny jeans on.

03:31:27.000 The guy's not thinking of fighting anyone.

03:31:29.000 He's not thinking of fighting anyone.

03:31:30.000 It's all a posing thing.

03:31:32.000 It's all a bluff charge.

03:31:33.000 It's a bluff charge.

03:31:34.000 It's exactly what it is.

03:31:36.000 The way he cut me off, though, this guy was down.

03:31:38.000 Yeah, but he's not down.

03:31:39.000 It's like a gorilla running up to you who's never planning on smashing you. 1.00

03:31:43.000 Yeah, that shit worked. 1.00

03:31:44.000 I went right. 1.00

03:31:45.000 I needed to go left.

03:31:46.000 I had to go all the way around the block. 1.00

03:31:47.000 He went home, his dick was hard as a rock, and he fucked the shit out of his wife. 1.00

03:31:50.000 I'm a fucking man. 1.00

03:31:51.000 There was a guy who cut me off, and I told him to fuck off! 1.00

03:31:53.000 You want to fight, you motherfucker? 1.00

03:31:55.000 He said no, and I'm going to fuck you now. 1.00

03:31:57.000 I win! 1.00

03:31:58.000 They say that in, what was that book by Malcolm Gladwell?

03:32:02.000 Wherever you're from has to do with how you react to affronts.

03:32:08.000 So, like they did this experiment where they would have a guy, they'd have you take two fake tests.

03:32:15.000 And you had to take a test in this room, and then you had to go down the hall and take a test in another room. 1.00

03:32:20.000 As you were walking down the hall to the other test, you would get, somebody would walk by you, bump you, and go, watch out, asshole. 1.00

03:32:27.000 Keep walking. 1.00

03:32:29.000 And the dudes from the south versus the guys from the north, the dudes from the south, their serratol levels, whatever, all those levels, their serratol levels, their testosterone levels, everything was jacked to the fucking roof. 0.98

03:32:43.000 They were ready to fight. 0.98

03:32:44.000 Dudes from the north?

03:32:45.000 Nah, not at all. 1.00

03:32:47.000 They were like, huh, whatever, what a dick. 0.98

03:32:49.000 And it had to do, according to Gladwell, not really, also this guy Nisbet as well, it had to do with where you were from, and more importantly, where your ancestry heralded from. 0.98

03:33:01.000 If you came from a culture, an honor culture, As opposed to what they call the dignity culture.

03:33:08.000 So if you came from a culture where honor was everything, and those cultures are hurting cultures, that's where you get the Chichanis, that's where you get the Afghanis, that's where you get the North Scots-Irish. 0.98

03:33:20.000 That's why...

03:33:20.000 Armenians.

03:33:21.000 Armenians, that's why. 1.00

03:33:22.000 Armenians will fuck you up. 1.00

03:33:23.000 Fuck yes! 1.00

03:33:24.000 Fuck! 1.00

03:33:24.000 Armenians are tough as shit! 1.00

03:33:26.000 Shoulder check some Armenians in the street. 1.00

03:33:28.000 Are you kidding? 1.00

03:33:29.000 They will punch you in the... 1.00

03:33:31.000 They don't fuck around. 1.00

03:33:32.000 Armenians... 1.00

03:33:32.000 You get yourself a scrap. 1.00

03:33:33.000 Tight-knit communities.

03:33:35.000 Yeah, I like that.

03:33:36.000 But it was from honor cultures and the Scots-Irish who settled where?

03:33:41.000 The Appalachians.

03:33:43.000 The Hatfields and the McCoys. 1.00

03:33:47.000 The fuck, yeah. 1.00

03:33:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:33:49.000 When you go to Ireland, you go to parts of the UK, you know, in the north where Tony's from, good luck. 1.00

03:33:56.000 Go see what happens in a bar when you want to get scrappy.

03:33:59.000 You'll find plenty of man to meet you halfway.

03:34:02.000 Whereas if you go to certain other parts of the world where they didn't come from herding cultures, where they came from a culture that relied mostly on agriculture, where it relied on cooperation.

03:34:15.000 See, because when you're a herder, And somebody steals your sheep, you will not survive the winter. 1.00

03:34:22.000 So you've got to let everybody know that if you do steal my sheep, I'm going to kill you and every man in your fucking family because I'm a crazy motherfucker. 1.00

03:34:30.000 So, you know, it's do or die here. 1.00

03:34:33.000 Right.

03:34:33.000 It's literally survival of your family.

03:34:35.000 Nisbet and Gladwell wrote a book about it, but some of these guys who actually did the primary research on that proved that culture, even though you don't know those people, even though your generation's removed from that in this country, that shit has deep, deep roots in your cultural psyche. 0.96

03:34:54.000 And of course also in the South. 0.95

03:34:58.000 Genetic memory, but also cultural memory.

03:35:00.000 Also, you're raised as a man to protect your cubic space.

03:35:05.000 Well, that guy who wanted to fight me was a herder. 1.00

03:35:08.000 I'm sure he was.

03:35:09.000 I'm sure he was.

03:35:10.000 I think he's probably on Adderall.

03:35:12.000 He's faking.

03:35:13.000 He's bluff charging.

03:35:14.000 He just got off a double shift.

03:35:16.000 He has a herding mentality.

03:35:17.000 What kind of car did he have?

03:35:19.000 It was a L.A. County truck.

03:35:22.000 He was Mexican.

03:35:24.000 If you guys want to read about that, Geography of Thought, I think, by Harold Nisbet.

03:35:28.000 He's a phenomenal guy.

03:35:30.000 Was he using a county truck? 0.99

03:35:33.000 Boy, that's a dumb move. 0.99

03:35:34.000 That's a way to get fired real quick. 1.00

03:35:35.000 He didn't give a fuck. 1.00

03:35:37.000 Gotcha. 0.99

03:35:38.000 He got me.

03:35:39.000 He got me.

03:35:40.000 I had to go around the block.

03:35:41.000 It took me more time.

03:35:42.000 Because you don't come from that culture.

03:35:43.000 I was embarrassed.

03:35:47.000 Isn't it funny how he's such a badass, but he's like...

03:35:49.000 No, it's not that I don't...

03:35:50.000 You do that to my...

03:35:52.000 Listen...

03:35:53.000 My brother's had some issues on the road, you know, and this stuff.

03:35:56.000 My dad has, too.

03:35:57.000 I've seen it with my own eyes.

03:35:58.000 With me, the stuff I have going on, if I get out of that car, I fight that guy, I lose everything I stand for.

03:36:05.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:36:06.000 All my gigs.

03:36:07.000 Everything's gone.

03:36:07.000 And for what?

03:36:08.000 But it's self-defense, Brennan.

03:36:09.000 It's not.

03:36:11.000 It's not.

03:36:11.000 You're forcing yourself into an aggression situation.

03:36:14.000 We're both fucked. 0.99

03:36:14.000 And what do you think the headline reads? 0.99

03:36:16.000 LA worker beats up UFC fighter?

03:36:20.000 No.

03:36:20.000 I hope not.

03:36:21.000 That would be embarrassing.

03:36:23.000 Yeah, no.

03:36:24.000 I think you'd have real issues with you.

03:36:25.000 X UFC fighter twists man's hat off, gets arrested, goes to prison.

03:36:29.000 Yeah, that's not a good move. 0.97

03:36:30.000 His show time, his e-show is stand-up fucking gone. 0.98

03:36:34.000 There's nothing funny about a guy beating up another guy. 0.99

03:36:37.000 No, there's no upside to it.

03:36:38.000 And it's also, you can avoid it.

03:36:40.000 It can be avoided.

03:36:41.000 I don't care. 0.99

03:36:42.000 And I think a lot of that posturing bullshit and screaming comes from not being able to fight. 0.99

03:36:47.000 I agree. 1.00

03:36:48.000 If you could have a bar filled with jujitsu black belt, it's probably the friendliest fucking bar ever. 0.99

03:36:53.000 The tough guys don't yell like that. 0.99

03:36:54.000 It's like gun culture. 0.80

03:36:55.000 If you hang out with a bunch of gun guys, they're super formal and respectful.

03:37:01.000 Yeah, because they're used to seeing bullets flying around.

03:37:03.000 Everybody's got to mind their P's and Q's when everybody's actually equal. 0.93

03:37:06.000 If you're a bunch of gun handlers, and all of you, you go into gun competitions and shit, and you're shooting, plink, plink, plink, plink, and you're rolling like fucking Keanu Reeves and shit, those guys, they're equal to everybody in the world. 0.63

03:37:19.000 All they have to do is this. 0.98

03:37:20.000 I mean, they've balanced it out to a squeeze of a trigger and...

03:37:23.000 SEAL Team 6 operatives aren't walking around going, I'm in the SEALs!

03:37:26.000 Watch out, bro!

03:37:27.000 I want to get to the front of the line!

03:37:29.000 Exactly.

03:37:30.000 There was a bunch of Marines that came to the comedy store the other night, real nice guys.

03:37:34.000 They were there for this Toys R Tots thing, hanging out with them, talking to them afterwards.

03:37:37.000 And then there's some weird drunk guy who comes up to me after the Marines left, and he asked me about Recon Marines.

03:37:42.000 He's like, oh, look at that!

03:37:44.000 He just went in. 0.96

03:37:44.000 Oh, you're sick. 0.96

03:37:45.000 That was throw up, ladies and gentlemen. 0.78

03:37:47.000 That's what we're trying to avoid.

03:37:48.000 That was amazing.

03:37:49.000 It's just fluid.

03:37:51.000 We should probably end this anyway.

03:37:52.000 I'm going to Mexico tomorrow.

03:37:53.000 Look at that.

03:37:54.000 He's throwing up again.

03:37:55.000 I don't know who's cleaning that thing.

03:37:56.000 That's a good end.

03:37:57.000 Any ideas?

03:37:58.000 We'll just throw that away.

03:37:59.000 We'll get another one.

03:38:00.000 We'll throw that away.

03:38:01.000 We'll get another.

03:38:02.000 You're hurting.

03:38:02.000 We're not...

03:38:04.000 Ooh, I'm just watching a bunch of puke coming out of Brendan Schaub's mouth.

03:38:08.000 Anyway.

03:38:08.000 It's all good.

03:38:09.000 Super sorry about all this.

03:38:11.000 It's a good way to end?

03:38:12.000 It's a good way to end.

03:38:15.000 Brian Callen, you got any dates coming up?

03:38:17.000 I'm glad you asked.

03:38:19.000 January 12th.

03:38:20.000 January 12th, 13th.

03:38:22.000 Don't puke through my dates.

03:38:23.000 January 12th, 13th, 14th. 1.00

03:38:26.000 I'm in fucking... 0.98

03:38:28.000 Where am I? Hold on. 0.99

03:38:29.000 January 12th.

03:38:30.000 I'm in Nashville at Zaney's and then at the end of the month, Columbus Funny Bone.

03:38:35.000 January 25th, 26th, my birthday, 27th.

03:38:38.000 You could try to go see Brendan Schaub at the Wilbur Theatre in Boston. 1.00

03:38:43.000 But it's sold out, you fucks! 1.00

03:38:45.000 Sold out! 0.99

03:38:46.000 I'm in Portland before, the 11th through the 13th.

03:38:48.000 He just threw up.

03:38:49.000 And now I'm in Denver on the 1st, February, and then 2nd, 3rd, St. Louis.

03:38:53.000 Come see me!

03:38:53.000 I won't be sick.

03:38:55.000 Yeah, he won't be sick. 1.00

03:38:56.000 Boston, that bitch is sold out. 1.00

03:38:56.000 I love you. 1.00

03:38:57.000 What are you doing on Wednesday night?

03:38:59.000 Why, what's up?

03:39:00.000 You want to do a set at the Ice House?

03:39:01.000 Hell yeah.

03:39:02.000 Okay then.

03:39:03.000 Brendan Shaw will be at the Ice House. 1.00

03:39:04.000 Ice House is sold out to you, fucks. 0.99

03:39:06.000 This Friday night, I'm at the Mirage in Las Vegas with the great and powerful Ian Edwards. 0.99

03:39:12.000 And then, New Year's Eve, the day after the UFC, two shows at the Wiltern in Los Angeles.

03:39:18.000 Alright.

03:39:18.000 I apologize for throwing up.

03:39:20.000 I apologize.

03:39:20.000 It's all good.

03:39:20.000 It was a good way to end.

03:39:21.000 Bye.

03:39:21.000 Good way to end.

03:39:23.000 Are you okay, man?

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 03, 2010

JRE MMA Show #7 with Brendan Schaub & Bryan Callen

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