The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #70 with Aljamain Sterling

00:00:02.000 Boom.

00:00:03.000 You're the first guy with a high top ever to wear these.

00:00:03.000 And we're live.

00:00:06.000 I was wondering whether or not the microphones were going to sit.

00:00:08.000 It's perfect.

00:00:09.000 It's just right in there.

00:00:09.000 Yeah.

00:00:10.000 It's like a little crevice.

00:00:11.000 It's fluffy, like a little rest area.

00:00:15.000 Does having that much hair on the top of your head, is there any benefit of that?

00:00:19.000 I think when you get elbowed or anything like that, I think it helps out a ton.

00:00:23.000 If you have someone in their guard and they're trying to elbow the top of your head, I would imagine...

00:00:27.000 Yeah, it's a little cushion on it, so I think it protects you.

00:00:31.000 And I kind of grew out the beard for that same reason, but it doesn't get as burly as I kind of want it to, but it works.

00:00:36.000 I think in boxing, they used to make people shave their beard.

00:00:39.000 Yeah, that's probably why.

00:00:40.000 Impact.

00:00:42.000 You know that kid Desi Green?

00:00:43.000 I used to live with him.

00:00:44.000 He's in the UFC also.

00:00:45.000 And whenever I put that guy in the guillotine because he has these big dreads, he would always get out of them because the dreads were like...

00:00:53.000 It made his head appear like it was bigger, so you wrap around it, and you squeeze the cushion, and it just compresses, and then his head just slides out of it, completely out.

00:01:02.000 It's like a cheat code.

00:01:04.000 Slippery dreadlocks.

00:01:04.000 Slippery.

00:01:06.000 I would also imagine, though, that having a bald head, if you get sweaty, would make it a little greasier.

00:01:11.000 If you have stubble on the top of your head, that would provide a little bit of friction.

00:01:16.000 Yeah.

00:01:17.000 It makes sense.

00:01:17.000 I follow you.

00:01:18.000 I follow you on that.

00:01:20.000 I haven't had a bald head though, so it's hard for me to know.

00:01:23.000 I like how your shirt even has a gold chain on it.

00:01:26.000 I was going to wear the big boy chain today, but...

00:01:28.000 Why did you not?

00:01:29.000 I don't know.

00:01:30.000 I don't know.

00:01:31.000 You only carry that out when you fight?

00:01:32.000 I usually do. 0.76

00:01:33.000 I try to keep it not too ridiculous all the time. 0.55

00:01:35.000 Try to be only in character. 0.70

00:01:37.000 Make it for a special occasion type of thing.

00:01:40.000 I would consider this a special occasion, but...

00:01:43.000 I try to make it more of like an MMA thing.

00:01:44.000 There's something extra special about a t-shirt with gold chain on it.

00:01:48.000 It might be more special than an actual gold chain itself.

00:01:51.000 It works.

00:01:52.000 So it's kind of silly. 0.81

00:01:53.000 Yeah, man.

00:01:54.000 How much does that thing weigh, the real one?

00:01:57.000 Not very heavy.

00:01:58.000 Not very heavy.

00:01:58.000 Really?

00:01:59.000 It looks like it's like 10 pounds.

00:02:00.000 Nah, I wish it was 10 pounds.

00:02:01.000 That'd be 10 pounds of gold, but it's not.

00:02:04.000 So is it like an Easter bunny?

00:02:07.000 Yeah.

00:02:09.000 There it is.

00:02:09.000 Look at that.

00:02:10.000 That thing is massive, right?

00:02:10.000 Look at that.

00:02:12.000 So is it hollow?

00:02:13.000 They're like hollow tubes?

00:02:15.000 Yeah.

00:02:15.000 I don't think that would be so heavy.

00:02:17.000 You would think.

00:02:18.000 I get a lot of people that come up to me and start grabbing my chain.

00:02:20.000 I'm like, yo, this is supposed to be a mystery to the human mind.

00:02:25.000 You're not supposed to know what this feels like.

00:02:27.000 That's really light.

00:02:29.000 Yeah. 0.67

00:02:30.000 Give him the illusion that I spent like $25,000 on a big ass gold rope chain, but nah.

00:02:36.000 Well, you remember when Rampage used to wear the motorcycle chain?

00:02:39.000 Yeah, the links.

00:02:40.000 Yeah, real heavy links around his neck.

00:02:43.000 I was going to actually go, there was two routes I was going to go.

00:02:45.000 The old school rail with my chain, like the way my dad used to wear it and how we used to wear it when we were kids.

00:02:50.000 Or Rampage Jackson and be like the new generation of Rampage Jackson.

00:02:55.000 Even though I wasn't like slamming people, but I would have to like somehow work that into it.

00:02:59.000 Yeah, that should be sick.

00:03:01.000 Still fighting. 0.98

00:03:02.000 Crazy. 0.96

00:03:04.000 You know, still competitive after all these years. 1.00

00:03:07.000 I mean, Rampage was a fucking pioneer, man. 0.99

00:03:10.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:03:11.000 I remember his fight with Chuck Liddell, his fights with Vanderlei Silva, even the one he lost in Pride.

00:03:17.000 When he went through the ropes and then he came back and got redemption, I was like, God, that's got to feel so good because that's like the bad highlight.

00:03:23.000 He came back and got a highlight of his own.

00:03:25.000 I think he lost to Vanderlei twice in Pride.

00:03:27.000 He got stopped twice in Pride and then flatlined Vanderlei in the UFC. Yep.

00:03:33.000 I also think...

00:03:34.000 Man, it's speculation.

00:03:36.000 But I also think that the Vanderlei that he fought in the UFC was the one who got drug tested.

00:03:41.000 Yep.

00:03:41.000 100%.

00:03:42.000 Different Vanderlei.

00:03:43.000 Yeah.

00:03:44.000 I think there's a lot of that for a lot of people, too.

00:03:48.000 A lot.

00:03:48.000 I don't like...

00:03:49.000 Don't like saying it.

00:03:50.000 Yeah, I don't like saying it.

00:03:51.000 Because you know what it is?

00:03:52.000 I feel like I see these people...

00:03:54.000 And then it's like, I know you might have heard me say this, so it's like that little awkward tension, and I don't like that, man.

00:04:00.000 I know.

00:04:01.000 Yeah.

00:04:02.000 Yeah, you're a good guy.

00:04:03.000 It gets weird, but it is a thing that, if you look at it historically, if you look at the sport in terms of, like, when people look at Barry Bonds, and when they look at Jose Canseco, or when they look at, what is that other dude's name?

00:04:16.000 The dude?

00:04:17.000 Mark McGuire.

00:04:18.000 Yeah, or Sammy Sosa.

00:04:20.000 Everyone knows those dudes were juice heads. 0.99

00:04:23.000 That's just a part of the thing.

00:04:25.000 So you go, well, they're amazing baseball players, incredible athletes, also were on the sauce.

00:04:30.000 Fact.

00:04:30.000 Yeah.

00:04:31.000 Does that take away from it, though?

00:04:32.000 That's my...

00:04:33.000 It's hard to say, right?

00:04:35.000 Because everybody was on it.

00:04:36.000 Yeah.

00:04:37.000 Do you know there's a great documentary that's out right now by Billy Corbin?

00:04:40.000 He's the same guy who did... 0.57

00:04:41.000 He did Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. He's got a new one out about A-Rod.

00:04:46.000 Okay.

00:04:47.000 I gotta check that out.

00:04:47.000 What is it called?

00:04:48.000 Screwball?

00:04:50.000 Screwball.

00:04:50.000 It's hilarious.

00:04:52.000 But it's about the players that...

00:04:55.000 It's about how debt, how owing a Roy doctor some money, turned into this horrible revelation where they found out how these baseball players were getting their juice from that guy.

00:05:10.000 Okay.

00:05:10.000 Because they owed somebody some money, this guy, and that guy didn't get paid, so he went public with everything.

00:05:15.000 So it was like a small amount.

00:05:17.000 And they had a bunch of kids, like these little kids, play the doctor and play A-Rod.

00:05:23.000 So like in the movie, the reenactments, the reenactments were all done by children.

00:05:28.000 That's hysterical.

00:05:29.000 I definitely got to check that out.

00:05:30.000 It's hilarious.

00:05:31.000 It's a funny movie.

00:05:33.000 This is funny.

00:05:36.000 It's really funny.

00:05:38.000 That's A-Rod as a child. 0.99

00:05:39.000 It's fucking really funny, man. 0.99

00:05:41.000 Oh, man. 0.99

00:05:42.000 What's it called?

00:05:43.000 Screwball, yeah.

00:05:43.000 Did you say Screwball?

00:05:44.000 Well, Billy Corbin is a genius.

00:05:46.000 He's a really, really great director.

00:05:49.000 And he, like I said, he directed two of my favorite cocaine documentaries of all time.

00:05:53.000 Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. Have you seen those?

00:05:56.000 No, no.

00:05:57.000 Okay, don't even look at Screwball yet.

00:05:59.000 I haven't even seen Narcos.

00:06:00.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:06:01.000 I'm like, I'm trying to catch up.

00:06:03.000 There's so much content out there.

00:06:05.000 It's hard. 0.99

00:06:06.000 Do you fuck with Stranger Things? 0.99

00:06:07.000 I've got to get into that too. 1.00

00:06:10.000 I just started Black Mirror.

00:06:11.000 I'm on season three.

00:06:13.000 And that just started like opening my eyes.

00:06:15.000 I'm like, man, technology is like... 0.98

00:06:17.000 Could be used in such fucked up ways. 0.99

00:06:19.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:06:20.000 The Unabomber was right. 1.00

00:06:21.000 The Unabomber was correct. 1.00

00:06:22.000 Yeah, that show fucks me up more than any show.

00:06:26.000 Because it's so close to possible. 0.99

00:06:28.000 Especially episode one, season one with the pig.

00:06:28.000 Yes.

00:06:32.000 Oh yeah, that was intense.

00:06:34.000 The one that got me most was Crocodile.

00:06:36.000 That one where there's the car accident and they hide the body and then the lady winds up doing all these different things to cover up her crime. 0.98

00:06:43.000 You can read people's memories.

00:06:45.000 You can get people's memories and you can watch them play.

00:06:48.000 Oh, rewatch.

00:06:49.000 That one I saw, which was freaky.

00:06:51.000 Yeah, when the lady did terrible things. 1.00

00:06:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:54.000 I'm like, ah.

00:06:55.000 Oh, season away.

00:06:55.000 Season away.

00:06:57.000 Oh, okay.

00:06:58.000 Well, I don't want to tell you anything. 1.00

00:06:59.000 You're going to shit. 0.99

00:07:01.000 I didn't even ruin it. 1.00

00:07:02.000 It's that good.

00:07:03.000 There is one, though, with the memory.

00:07:05.000 Yes, that was the one with the girls cheating. 1.00

00:07:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:08.000 It's fucked up. 1.00

00:07:09.000 Yeah, it's fucked up. 1.00

00:07:10.000 That's all coming, man. 0.99

00:07:11.000 That's all coming.

00:07:12.000 I've been talking about this on stage.

00:07:14.000 Like, how good is your memory?

00:07:15.000 Because my memory is not that good.

00:07:17.000 If I try to remember things that happened yesterday, if I had to draw everything I saw yesterday, it's not that good.

00:07:23.000 Even if you say your memory is good, it's your recollection of actual things.

00:07:28.000 You don't have a video memory.

00:07:31.000 But if you had a video memory, that would be the first thing that we surrender.

00:07:36.000 If they could put a chip in and say, Al Jermaine, listen, wouldn't it be amazing if you could pull every technique and see it exactly as it should be done?

00:07:45.000 You could see it play out in front of your head.

00:07:46.000 You could see all of your memories.

00:07:48.000 All of them.

00:07:49.000 So if your girlfriend says, you told me, and you go, no, no, no, I didn't say that.

00:07:49.000 Exactly.

00:07:54.000 This is what I said.

00:07:55.000 I'll play it for you right now.

00:07:57.000 That's how they're going to get us.

00:07:59.000 Yeah, but it's kind of scary and they showed it.

00:08:02.000 The guy was able to freeze frame the guy's memories with his wife.

00:08:07.000 Yes.

00:08:07.000 And then it was like, that's my picture in the background.

00:08:11.000 And she was like, oh, it was only like a one week thing.

00:08:13.000 And then it was like, only like a one month thing.

00:08:16.000 And that turned into like yesterday.

00:08:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:08:19.000 It was fucked up. 1.00

00:08:19.000 That's fucked up. 1.00

00:08:20.000 It's good though. 0.99

00:08:22.000 I don't think I want that.

00:08:22.000 Yeah.

00:08:23.000 That would be- I want it.

00:08:25.000 I want to know.

00:08:27.000 I want to know what I'm dealing with.

00:08:31.000 I think we're going to...

00:08:32.000 I don't think it's...

00:08:33.000 I don't think we have a choice.

00:08:34.000 I think it's coming.

00:08:35.000 I think it's inevitable.

00:08:37.000 I'm going to rebel.

00:08:38.000 You're going to?

00:08:38.000 The great rebellion.

00:08:40.000 I'll be the leader.

00:08:41.000 Imagine if like...

00:08:44.000 They just figure out...

00:08:45.000 I mean, when you're thinking about people that have CTE and brain damage and car accidents and football and fighting and all these different things, what if they say, listen, listen, we'd fix all that.

00:08:54.000 Fix all that with this chip.

00:08:55.000 It rewires the whole brain, you're fine, and it provides you with that video memory.

00:09:00.000 So you could have your entire MMA career, never worry about CTE. You could just swing for the fences.

00:09:08.000 Right?

00:09:09.000 Like Lamas and Max Holloway did.

00:09:11.000 Just stand in the middle of the octagon, swing, no worries!

00:09:13.000 And just bang.

00:09:14.000 But then, if you did that, then what about Parkinson's or anything like that?

00:09:19.000 Would that still be a thing?

00:09:20.000 Good point.

00:09:21.000 I mean, if that wasn't a thing, then I'd be all for it.

00:09:23.000 Also, oddly enough, I think that part of what makes MMA so exciting is that there are crazy consequences.

00:09:31.000 It's part of the reasons why when you see Masvidal knocks out Ben Askren with that flying knee...

00:09:36.000 Part of why it was so exciting, like, oh, he's hurt bad.

00:09:41.000 It's not that he's going to be fine.

00:09:43.000 There's no damage from this whatsoever.

00:09:46.000 No, that's real damage.

00:09:48.000 He went out cold instantly, and then he got punched in the face twice.

00:09:54.000 It's terrible, but it's part of what makes the sport so exciting, is that you realize these guys are so brave to face these potential consequences.

00:10:02.000 It makes it...

00:10:04.000 It makes it, it's like an added element of danger that makes it exciting.

00:10:08.000 It's very true, but it's, man, I felt so bad for him when I saw that, because it kind of brought back memories for myself.

00:10:15.000 I was like, ah, I know exactly what that moment feels like.

00:10:17.000 I don't remember it, but I know exactly what that moment feels like.

00:10:20.000 When you fought Marais, do you remember what happened up to that?

00:10:24.000 Yeah.

00:10:25.000 And you just don't remember it landing?

00:10:26.000 I saw it like right before it lands, and it was like, you know in those movies when it goes, it was at this very moment.

00:10:32.000 He realized. 1.00

00:10:34.000 He fucked up. 1.00

00:10:37.000 That's exactly what that was for me. 1.00

00:10:39.000 And out like a light, man. 0.86

00:10:41.000 And I didn't, like, come to and, like, I mean, I woke up, but I didn't come to, like, actually remember, like, shit, I was in a fistfight and I lost, like, really bad, like, really quick when I got into the hospital. 0.59

00:10:52.000 Oh, that's when you realized it. 0.69

00:10:54.000 Yeah, I heard Ben say the same thing.

00:10:55.000 I was like, oh, this is not just me.

00:10:57.000 I guess it's just a really bad knockout.

00:10:58.000 Him shooting forward and Masvidal jumping into him like a car crash, man.

00:11:03.000 And Masvidal's running full clip.

00:11:06.000 That was a 40-yard dash.

00:11:08.000 Running full clip and perfect placement of the knee.

00:11:11.000 I mean, you don't get a cleaner knockout. 1.00

00:11:13.000 No.

00:11:14.000 And just the way he did it, he was showing a video of him practicing it and saying he had three different scenarios of how that situation could have went.

00:11:22.000 That's masterful thinking and tactical.

00:11:25.000 There's not a lot of people who are that cerebral when it comes to the game.

00:11:28.000 And I think the way he broke that down was just super impressive.

00:11:31.000 And he kind of lulled him to sleep like his hands behind his back.

00:11:33.000 I loved every second of that.

00:11:34.000 Because you weren't sure what was about to happen.

00:11:36.000 I was on the edge of my seat.

00:11:37.000 That was my main event fight.

00:11:38.000 And then he just comes out, takes a side step, like just drifts off to the right.

00:11:42.000 And then boom!

00:11:43.000 40-yard dash and flying knee KO. It was just as much a main event for me too.

00:11:48.000 Because it's so important for the welterweight division.

00:11:51.000 Yeah.

00:11:51.000 Whereas like, Jon Jones versus Tiago Santos, it was an interesting fight, and it turned out to be a great fight, but it was an interesting fight because you're like, okay, how is Jon Jones going to beat this guy, and is this guy going to be wild enough to catch Jon Jones?

00:12:04.000 But when you looked at it on paper, Jon was a prohibitive favorite.

00:12:07.000 When you looked at Askren versus Masvidal, you're like, man, I don't know.

00:12:10.000 When I looked at Holly and Amanda, I'm like, Holly's a great champion and she's a great fighter, but Amanda's so goddamn good, it's almost like she doesn't have anybody else left to fight.

00:12:19.000 It's not like Holly had made this incredible case for her being the one to challenge Amanda next.

00:12:24.000 It was just that Amanda's kind of cleaned out that bantamweight division. 1.00

00:12:28.000 Yeah, she fought one person.

00:12:29.000 She beat Megan Anderson, and I felt like she struggled with that fight. 0.73

00:12:33.000 I felt like she'd done really well when she was able to get Megan down to the ground.

00:12:38.000 But when she was in the clinch, she ate a lot of knees. 0.98

00:12:39.000 This is Holly.

00:12:40.000 And then she tried to do the same thing the previous fight with Cyborg, and she ate a lot of knees in the clinch, trying to slow Cyborg down.

00:12:47.000 It just didn't work out in her favor.

00:12:48.000 So when that matchup was announced, I was like, Holly's going to either stay on her bike the entire time and just try to point fight, or it's just not going to end up good. 1.00

00:12:55.000 And sure enough, that's what happened.

00:12:57.000 Yeah, I thought she was going to probably try to stay on her bike as well and throw kicks from the outside, but I guess Amanda had planned for it. 1.00

00:13:03.000 That's why she caught her with her leg up. 1.00

00:13:06.000 If you see the way she landed that round kick, she caught her with her leg up. 1.00

00:13:09.000 She was pressing with that side kick, and then boom! 1.00

00:13:12.000 She caught her with that roundhouse kick right across the top. 1.00

00:13:15.000 And Holly's such a good girl.

00:13:16.000 She's such a good person.

00:13:18.000 She's almost too nice.

00:13:20.000 You feel bad for her.

00:13:21.000 Yeah, but I know what you mean.

00:13:22.000 She didn't make a great case, like you said... 1.00

00:13:27.000 For the title fight, but there was really no one else for her to...

00:13:30.000 There's nobody.

00:13:30.000 Well, once she beat up Raquel Pennington the way she did, and then once she goes up and destroys Cyborg, it's like, who else is there?

00:13:37.000 I mean, Raquel Pennington is like as tough as they come. 0.96

00:13:40.000 And she was battering her.

00:13:42.000 The way she put away Ronda, the way she put away Misha, she just smashes people. 0.85

00:13:48.000 It's scary.

00:13:49.000 I think it's her...

00:13:51.000 Shevchenko, Cyborg, and then everybody else.

00:13:54.000 I think you're 100% right.

00:13:55.000 I think that's an interesting fight.

00:13:57.000 She might decide... 0.91

00:13:58.000 I don't know if she can make 125, but if she just... 0.57

00:14:00.000 I don't know.

00:14:01.000 That's a lot.

00:14:01.000 She's a big girl.

00:14:02.000 But if she decides, or if Shevchenko decides to step up one more time to 135 and tries to become champ champ and beat her, I mean, they had a really fucking close fight, especially that second fight.

00:14:13.000 That second fight was very, very close.

00:14:15.000 I didn't know who to even really score for.

00:14:17.000 Yeah, and Valentina made a case at the end that she thought that she had won, but it was a very good fight.

00:14:22.000 The point is, Shevchenko, obviously, when you see her knock out Jessica Ai, who used to be a top bantamweight contender herself, she's one of the rare girls that, like Amanda and like Cyborg, can flatline women with one shot. 1.00

00:14:33.000 That's scary, man.

00:14:34.000 It's scary.

00:14:35.000 Those ladies hit hard. 1.00

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:38.000 And her kicking technique is just exemplary.

00:14:43.000 Valentina is just so good on her feet. 1.00

00:14:45.000 Her kicking is so nasty, man. 1.00

00:14:48.000 She has one of the cleanest spinning back kicks in the sport. 1.00

00:14:50.000 You don't even see it coming.

00:14:51.000 Yeah.

00:14:52.000 I like the way she hops up and down. 0.57

00:14:54.000 It kind of reminds me of like a little Koopa in Mario Brothers because she's like hopping and she's moving, sidestepping, check hook, boom, boom, spinning back kick out of nowhere. 0.99

00:15:03.000 Yeah.

00:15:03.000 It's like she's a weird combination of Muay Thai and karate.

00:15:06.000 She's got traditional martial art techniques but like rock solid Muay Thai too. 1.00

00:15:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:11.000 It's the dancing, I think.

00:15:13.000 Yeah.

00:15:14.000 I think it's the dancing.

00:15:15.000 Well, you know, that's Lomachenko's secret.

00:15:17.000 That's one of his secrets.

00:15:19.000 I haven't heard.

00:15:19.000 Amazing boxing technique.

00:15:21.000 His dad made him dance, like traditional, I think Ukrainian dancing.

00:15:25.000 Make sure that's right.

00:15:26.000 I don't want to fuck that up.

00:15:27.000 It's like some kind of traditional Russian dancing for like four years.

00:15:31.000 Yeah.

00:15:32.000 Now, I heard that he made him stop boxing for a bit so that he could focus on dancing.

00:15:36.000 That's what he did for four years.

00:15:38.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:15:41.000 Makes sense, I guess.

00:15:42.000 The footwork and everything. 0.98

00:15:43.000 Who the fuck is going to do that, though? 0.99

00:15:44.000 If they said, Aljamain, listen, how old are you now? 0.99

00:15:46.000 I'm 30 at the end of this month.

00:15:46.000 How old are you now?

00:15:48.000 Okay, 34 is your prime.

00:15:49.000 This is what we're going to do.

00:15:50.000 The next four years, you're just going to dance.

00:15:53.000 You'd be like, what? 1.00

00:15:55.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

00:15:56.000 I'm going to fight. 1.00

00:15:57.000 I'm in the hunt for the title right now.

00:15:58.000 I'm that close.

00:16:00.000 You're that close.

00:16:01.000 Especially after Henry Cejudo just beat Marlon Marais. 0.99

00:16:04.000 Like, holy shit. 0.99

00:16:05.000 Doors wide open. 0.99

00:16:06.000 Where are we?

00:16:07.000 This is a whole...

00:16:07.000 Yeah.

00:16:08.000 We got a double champ situation here, right?

00:16:11.000 It's crazy.

00:16:12.000 Crazy.

00:16:12.000 So crazy.

00:16:13.000 That division's wide open.

00:16:14.000 I love how much the band and weight division has heated up.

00:16:19.000 It's been such a crazy ride for myself and just being a part of this and being able to see the wave and generations of different fighters coming in and out.

00:16:27.000 I was talking about it...

00:16:30.000 El Nino, you know, Gilbert Melendez and seeing like when he was on the top and now he's kind of like his fight last fight with Arnold Allen is kind of like you can kind of see like the passing of the guard or maybe maybe he's just not a because I know he popped for some type of PD also so maybe that was something to do with it or maybe 35 I think or 36 yeah and Arnold Allen's 25 and fucking nasty young bull yeah and he's being trained by Faraz Zahabi who I mean I don't think there's anybody better Yeah.

00:16:58.000 In terms of trainers, I think there's like just as good or in the neighborhood of good, but he's the fucking man as far as I'm concerned. 0.99

00:17:05.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:17:05.000 And there's just a lot of hot prospects just coming out. 0.97

00:17:09.000 And then you got the Corey Sanhagans, even Rivera.

00:17:11.000 I know Rivera lost two fights in a row now, but he's still as tough as they come.

00:17:15.000 He was beating Peter Yan until he got dropped at rounds one and two.

00:17:18.000 He won round three, even having his nose busted up and everything.

00:17:21.000 Piotr Jan, though, man, he is a seasoned striker.

00:17:21.000 Yeah.

00:17:25.000 It's really interesting to see him with a guy like Jimmy, who relies on his power and his toughness and his bulldog tenacity, to see him get lit up in those two rounds.

00:17:35.000 Jan just set traps and looked for openings, and then when he finally found them, he just cracks them.

00:17:40.000 Yeah.

00:17:41.000 I mean, it's a really exciting division right now.

00:17:44.000 Real exciting.

00:17:45.000 That might be my next fight, though.

00:17:46.000 Him?

00:17:47.000 For the belt.

00:17:47.000 I would think that would be the next fight.

00:17:49.000 And I kind of like that matchup.

00:17:51.000 He actually tried to punk me at the UFC PI Center last week.

00:17:54.000 It was funny at the same time.

00:17:56.000 I was like, dude, I'm not really understanding.

00:17:58.000 And then on my left side, I'm getting worked on.

00:18:01.000 I got Yuna Kaskaya, whatever her name is.

00:18:03.000 She's on my left side, and she's getting worked on.

00:18:05.000 And then I didn't know there were teammates.

00:18:07.000 So he comes in.

00:18:08.000 He's at the mirror. 0.99

00:18:09.000 He's doing like the thumb thing, like slashing his throat. 0.99

00:18:11.000 I start busting out laughing and I show him the belt and I start slashing my throat. 0.83

00:18:15.000 I'm like, yeah, I'm going to get the strap, whatever.

00:18:17.000 So then he comes in.

00:18:18.000 He comes in with his camera crew and it starts to go a little bit back and forth, but I can't understand.

00:18:23.000 He doesn't really speak English.

00:18:25.000 So I guess he says something and then she translated out of nowhere.

00:18:28.000 So I'm like, I'm getting ganged up on right now.

00:18:30.000 And then she's like, he says, why are you afraid to fight him in Moscow?

00:18:33.000 And I was like, whoa, where did I just come from?

00:18:35.000 But then I look back at him like, tell him no one's afraid to fight him.

00:18:38.000 And then after I thought about it, I was like, wait. 0.99

00:18:41.000 Motherfucker, who's ranked higher? 1.00

00:18:42.000 You don't call the shots. 1.00

00:18:43.000 I call the shots.

00:18:44.000 I was like, you're not Dana White.

00:18:45.000 You're not Sean Shelby.

00:18:46.000 You fight where I say you're going to fight or wherever Dana says we're going to fight.

00:18:49.000 So don't sit here and try to act like anyone's afraid to fight you.

00:18:53.000 I'm like, one, I don't want to go to Moscow to fight.

00:18:55.000 That's one.

00:18:56.000 I will openly admit that.

00:18:58.000 Does he live in Russia?

00:19:00.000 He lives in, I think he's from Siberia, from what I know.

00:19:04.000 But I know he trains Tiger Muay Thai.

00:19:07.000 Okay, that's right.

00:19:08.000 So he trains in Thailand, and he lives, or he's from the coldest, most dangerous part of the world. 1.00

00:19:14.000 Yeah.

00:19:14.000 Great.

00:19:15.000 I'm not looking to go there and fight their guy.

00:19:18.000 I'm like...

00:19:19.000 I mean, if I have to, I will.

00:19:20.000 Is there a Moscow card scheduled?

00:19:22.000 There was talkings of it in, I think, November.

00:19:26.000 Oh, upcoming?

00:19:27.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:28.000 It would be a cool experience, but it's not an ideal thing for me in terms of financial situation, getting out there, paying the taxes.

00:19:36.000 I'm like, dude, that's just...

00:19:37.000 I'd just rather be home.

00:19:40.000 I don't care where we fight. 1.00

00:19:42.000 I'd fight him in the fucking bathroom. 1.00

00:19:43.000 I would have fought him in the PI Center if he deserved it, but it is what it is. 1.00

00:19:48.000 I'm like, dude, no one's afraid of you.

00:19:49.000 I'm a fighter.

00:19:49.000 I don't understand when fighters try to intimidate fighters and make it look like we fight in a cage.

00:19:54.000 It's like, dude, but it does work. 0.99

00:19:57.000 The thing is, fucking with people's heads is real. 0.99

00:20:00.000 Yeah, this is true. 1.00

00:20:01.000 It is true.

00:20:02.000 The best example, Jose Aldo is one of the greatest fighters of all time.

00:20:05.000 I really believe that he was out of his composure when he fought Conor.

00:20:09.000 And that's one of the reasons why he charged after Conor and Conor cracked him with that straight left.

00:20:13.000 It's like Conor was in his head.

00:20:15.000 That he was working in the back room when he was like this, bouncing, bouncing.

00:20:19.000 That's unreal.

00:20:20.000 Unreal.

00:20:21.000 Unreal.

00:20:21.000 I mean, he planned it out.

00:20:22.000 He knew it was coming.

00:20:23.000 It's like Masvidal practicing that flying knee against Askren.

00:20:26.000 It's really similar.

00:20:27.000 It's like you know tendencies and you also know emotions.

00:20:31.000 And he just wanted to get at it.

00:20:33.000 Connor so bad.

00:20:35.000 Connor knew he was coming.

00:20:36.000 So you give him some feints, hop around, throw some sidekicks, hop around.

00:20:39.000 Knows he's coming.

00:20:40.000 Bang! 1.00

00:20:41.000 And as he's coming, catches him.

00:20:42.000 Perfect timing.

00:20:43.000 Catches him coming in.

00:20:44.000 And again, similar because they're both coming at each other.

00:20:47.000 Yeah, charging in and getting caught.

00:20:49.000 Crazy.

00:20:50.000 Car crash. 0.70

00:20:51.000 But I don't know if he really thinks he's going to intimidate me.

00:20:53.000 I don't know if that's what he thinks.

00:20:55.000 I'm like, dude, he's trying it.

00:20:57.000 It's a time-honored, proven tactic.

00:21:00.000 You get inside someone's head, they get angry.

00:21:02.000 And one or two things happens. 0.99

00:21:03.000 Either they fuck you up more, because now they're really personal about it, like Masvidal, or it bothers them. 0.97

00:21:11.000 Some people genuinely lose their composure if they don't like a fighter. 0.99

00:21:15.000 Yeah.

00:21:16.000 Cowboy used to have problems with that.

00:21:17.000 I would say that.

00:21:17.000 Cowboy and Nate Diaz.

00:21:18.000 That was an insane fight.

00:21:20.000 And that was...

00:21:21.000 I think that's the last time he probably ever let himself get mad.

00:21:23.000 He said something like that.

00:21:24.000 Well, it was a learning experience. 1.00

00:21:25.000 You know, he realized that, like, that shit talking fucked with his head. 1.00

00:21:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:29.000 But there's some guys who do better when they shit talk. 0.99

00:21:31.000 I think I perform better when there's more on the line. 0.99

00:21:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:34.000 Like, when Pedro was talking... 1.00

00:21:36.000 Shit, to me, I didn't really understand it. 1.00

00:21:38.000 I was like, dude, all I did was ask whatever happened with the results of your drug test. 1.00

00:21:41.000 And that turned into, oh, fuck him. 1.00

00:21:43.000 He's a bitch if he said that. 1.00

00:21:45.000 What happened? 1.00

00:21:45.000 Did he have a... 1.00

00:21:46.000 Yeah, he popped for something in 2015 when he was four in Nova Scotia.

00:21:50.000 What was it?

00:21:51.000 Was it a diuretic?

00:21:53.000 There was like three or four guys from Black House MMA that all popped for something.

00:21:53.000 It was that year.

00:21:57.000 And I can't remember all the names.

00:21:59.000 I know Kevin Casey was one of them.

00:22:00.000 Pedro was one of them.

00:22:02.000 I think there was like two more other guys.

00:22:03.000 I think Silver might have been one of them.

00:22:05.000 Yeah.

00:22:06.000 And it was one more guy.

00:22:07.000 Did you ever see Anderson's trainer?

00:22:09.000 No, no.

00:22:10.000 Is he jacked?

00:22:11.000 Dude, he's not just jacked. 0.97

00:22:13.000 He's jacked and he's like 68. He's old as the pyramids and built like a brick shithouse. 0.91

00:22:21.000 This dude is fucking stacked. 1.00

00:22:23.000 I mean, full six-pack, giant pecs, arms. 1.00

00:22:27.000 Squall as fuck. 1.00

00:22:28.000 Jamie will pull up a picture of him. 1.00

00:22:30.000 Picture him doing a selfie.

00:22:31.000 I mean, look at that guy.

00:22:32.000 Come on, son.

00:22:34.000 Come on, son. 0.87

00:22:36.000 That dude is jackmified.

00:22:37.000 Dude, his abs look like a turtle shell. 0.63

00:22:40.000 Looked like a ninja turtle.

00:22:41.000 Yeah, like you'd roundhouse kick him there and he would laugh at you.

00:22:43.000 He'd laugh at you.

00:22:43.000 He ain't going nowhere.

00:22:44.000 Ha, ha, ha.

00:22:46.000 Yeah, that's like a dude in 300 that comes down your head with an axe.

00:22:49.000 Dude, that's serious.

00:22:50.000 Yeah, so that was Anderson's trainer.

00:22:52.000 That dude is...

00:22:54.000 Most likely aware of some Mexican supplements.

00:22:57.000 Probably.

00:22:58.000 Most likely.

00:22:59.000 I would say so.

00:23:01.000 I would say so.

00:23:02.000 I mean, come on, man.

00:23:03.000 That guy is...

00:23:04.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:23:06.000 Yeah.

00:23:07.000 Apparently a very good trainer too.

00:23:09.000 So he was the strength and conditioning guy for Anderson and for a lot of the Black House guys.

00:23:13.000 Giving him a lot of strength.

00:23:15.000 He gave him a lot of strength.

00:23:17.000 He gave him a lot of strength.

00:23:19.000 Speaking of strength, did you hear Mark Coleman and Ken Shamrock are going to fight in some new bare knuckle boxing promotion?

00:23:24.000 I didn't even see that announcement.

00:23:26.000 Just today.

00:23:27.000 Oh my lord, no.

00:23:29.000 I was like, oh no.

00:23:30.000 How do we save this?

00:23:31.000 I think Eddie Bravo sent it to me.

00:23:33.000 And I just looked at it, I took a deep sigh, like...

00:23:37.000 I don't like seeing stuff like that.

00:23:38.000 It makes me sad.

00:23:40.000 It makes me wonder if I'm going to be like that when I get older.

00:23:44.000 I hope to God not... 0.99

00:23:45.000 I hope when I walk away, I just fucking walk away. 1.00

00:23:48.000 I hope so too, but then again, if they're in a situation where they need money and something comes up like this and they're willing to do it, why do I give a fuck? 0.99

00:23:55.000 Why is it a thing where I'm cool with young guys doing it if they need money, but I'm not cool with guys that are 50 doing it if they need money? 0.97

00:24:04.000 Is it...

00:24:06.000 I see your point.

00:24:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:07.000 But it's like seeing the guy in their physical state and you're like, dude, you should not be doing this.

00:24:13.000 Right.

00:24:14.000 So it's like you're watching...

00:24:17.000 I don't really have an analogy for this right now.

00:24:17.000 I don't know.

00:24:20.000 I know exactly what you're saying, though.

00:24:22.000 It's like you hope that they find a better life and they hit the finish line.

00:24:28.000 They're like, thank you very much.

00:24:29.000 They're in the Hall of Fame.

00:24:30.000 And then they move on.

00:24:31.000 That's what you hope.

00:24:32.000 I'm hoping that's what I do. 0.99

00:24:34.000 Get the fuck out. 0.97

00:24:35.000 Some people can do it. 0.97

00:24:37.000 Make my money.

00:24:38.000 My favorite example in all of combat sports is marvelous Marvin Hagler.

00:24:42.000 Marvin Hagler, when he lost to Sugar Ray Leonard in a very disputed decision, said, that's it, I'm done.

00:24:48.000 Just walked away, never came back.

00:24:50.000 A rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard would have been bananas.

00:24:52.000 He would have made so much money.

00:24:53.000 He was a middleweight champion.

00:24:55.000 Loses one fight and he's like, I'm done.

00:24:56.000 I'm going to be a movie star in Italy.

00:24:58.000 He moved to Italy and just never fought again.

00:25:01.000 And he talks perfect now.

00:25:02.000 When you hear him talk, he's got no brain damage.

00:25:05.000 Or if he does, you can't tell by the way he's talking.

00:25:07.000 He sounds fine.

00:25:08.000 I mean, a lot of this stuff they say sets in later on in life.

00:25:13.000 But Marvin's in his late 60s.

00:25:15.000 I hope to be him.

00:25:16.000 I hope to be that guy.

00:25:19.000 I try to do a good job of bobbing and weaving, moving my head, slipping off the center line.

00:25:24.000 You throw a lot of kicks too.

00:25:25.000 You keep guys on the outside.

00:25:26.000 You have a weird style, man.

00:25:28.000 You're too close, man.

00:25:29.000 Yeah.

00:25:31.000 That's what it is.

00:25:32.000 You're too close, man.

00:25:34.000 You're too close, man. 0.99

00:25:35.000 Back the fuck up. 0.99

00:25:37.000 Did you start out from a... 0.97

00:25:39.000 I mean, I know you have a wrestling base too.

00:25:41.000 Yeah.

00:25:41.000 What did you start out with?

00:25:43.000 What was your first martial art?

00:25:44.000 I didn't have any.

00:25:46.000 We...

00:25:46.000 You know the karate, kung fu, like VHS tapes?

00:25:49.000 I shit you not. 0.99

00:25:50.000 I have a family of... 1.00

00:25:51.000 I think there's 20 of us now.

00:25:53.000 My dad just had a newborn son. 0.99

00:25:55.000 I shit you not. 1.00

00:25:55.000 No! 1.00

00:25:56.000 He's 57. The guy is out of his fucking bird. 1.00

00:25:59.000 Wow. 1.00

00:25:59.000 But he just had a newborn son. 1.00

00:26:00.000 I haven't even met him yet.

00:26:01.000 That's one.

00:26:02.000 And all the boys grew up.

00:26:04.000 We had these karate tapes, VHS tapes, and we would imitate the characters.

00:26:08.000 And we'll be like, we're the drunken master or we're the white tiger, white lion.

00:26:11.000 And we have to do their fight styles. 0.86

00:26:13.000 And we're like little kids.

00:26:14.000 So we're still flexible and, you know, malleable.

00:26:16.000 We like don't break as easily. 0.91

00:26:17.000 So we just start beating the shit out of each other. 0.98

00:26:20.000 But we do like spinning back cakes, jumping off the couches and shit like that. 0.98

00:26:23.000 And I think that might have translated because that was like we did that for years. 0.97

00:26:27.000 But that was the most combat we did.

00:26:29.000 We didn't do any wrestling, nothing traditional at all.

00:26:32.000 Before I ever got into martial arts, I used to do that same thing.

00:26:35.000 I used to throw kicks with my friends.

00:26:36.000 I didn't know what I was doing.

00:26:38.000 But yeah, you watch a Bruce Lee movie and start throwing kicks or some Chuck Norris film or something like that.

00:26:38.000 But it was fun.

00:26:43.000 You learn how to do stuff by watching, but you can also develop some terrible habits.

00:26:43.000 Yeah.

00:26:47.000 But you don't look like you developed any bad habits.

00:26:47.000 Yeah.

00:26:49.000 Like if I had to guess, I would say you have a traditional martial arts background.

00:26:52.000 In what?

00:26:53.000 The way you throw kicks.

00:26:54.000 Like you throw kicks like a guy who started throwing kicks when you were really young.

00:26:58.000 But they're right.

00:26:58.000 Yeah.

00:27:00.000 You throw them right.

00:27:01.000 Which ones would you say? 1.00

00:27:02.000 All your shit. 1.00

00:27:03.000 Your roundhouse kicks, your front kicks. 1.00

00:27:05.000 You have great front kicks, man.

00:27:06.000 You're really good at keeping guys off of you.

00:27:09.000 You have good movement.

00:27:11.000 You've got a style that's a unique style.

00:27:14.000 So when guys have to fight you, they go, oh, this guy is going to be kicking at me from the outside.

00:27:19.000 He moves a lot.

00:27:20.000 He bobs and weaves.

00:27:21.000 It's hard to hit.

00:27:22.000 You've got a lot going on with your style.

00:27:24.000 It's very tiring.

00:27:27.000 I was going to ask you that.

00:27:28.000 I was going to ask you that.

00:27:31.000 Because we called that in your last fight, like the third round, you were kind of slowing down a little bit.

00:27:35.000 I'm like, imagine all the energy this guy's using.

00:27:37.000 Because you're always bobbing and weaving and moving and kicking and moving and kicking and moving. 0.98

00:27:42.000 And Munjos is just, you know, bobbing towards you and throwing traditional type shit. 0.99

00:27:46.000 Bobbing his head, too. 0.98

00:27:47.000 If you looked at energy output, how much more energy you must have put out in that fight than he did, just in terms of the amount of kicks you throw and the amount of jumping back and forth and leaping in and leaping out.

00:27:58.000 That's all plyometrics.

00:28:00.000 It's a ton.

00:28:01.000 And the good thing is credit to the training that we do.

00:28:04.000 I get the right work. 0.99

00:28:05.000 I got that guy, Marab, who's a freaking psycho. 0.99

00:28:09.000 That guy does not. 0.99

00:28:10.000 We call him the machine for a reason.

00:28:12.000 He would finish sparring with me, and I'm like, I did my rounds, championship work, I'm done.

00:28:15.000 I'm just going to get on the bike or hit the pads, whatever it is, or band work, just to get an extra cardio push.

00:28:21.000 And he'll be in there and grab two, three, sometimes four more bodies to spar with.

00:28:24.000 And I'm like... 0.99

00:28:25.000 This guy just doesn't fucking stop. 1.00

00:28:27.000 He's out of his fucking bird. 1.00

00:28:28.000 This is no exaggeration. 1.00

00:28:30.000 This guy is out of his fucking bird. 0.99

00:28:31.000 But it's the reason why my cardio... 0.99

00:28:33.000 I'm like, you want to get your cardio top-notch? 0.99

00:28:35.000 Get yourself a fucking Marab. 0.99

00:28:36.000 Get yourself one of those guys. 1.00

00:28:38.000 That dude loves you.

00:28:38.000 He's a man.

00:28:39.000 He's a good dude.

00:28:40.000 Sometimes too much of a good dude.

00:28:41.000 I'm like, Marab...

00:28:42.000 I can carry my own wallet.

00:28:45.000 It gets to the point where I'm like, dude, thank you.

00:28:47.000 I appreciate it.

00:28:49.000 It's a very tiring style, but we do a lot of work.

00:28:53.000 I do my own strength and conditioning just from having a background in physical education in SUNY Cortland.

00:28:58.000 You do your own?

00:28:59.000 Yeah.

00:28:59.000 I've been doing it since I was an amateur, writing my own thing, my own program, because they taught us how to work on isometric squeezes.

00:29:06.000 Different type of explosive muscle endurance workouts and stuff like static holds, like holding on a pull-up bar and going out to punches.

00:29:13.000 So I put together a pretty decent program.

00:29:16.000 It's been working.

00:29:16.000 I can't complain.

00:29:18.000 So when you do it, how do you design it?

00:29:20.000 Do you design it for the entire camp?

00:29:22.000 Do you set it out every day where you want to be?

00:29:25.000 And do you adjust it depending on how you feel and injuries?

00:29:28.000 How do you schedule all that?

00:29:29.000 Exactly like that.

00:29:30.000 So when I'm further out from the camp or not in camp at all, I'll do more lifting.

00:29:33.000 And I'll lift heavy.

00:29:36.000 I don't really do benching no more. 1.00

00:29:38.000 I think that shit's stupid for fighters. 0.99

00:29:40.000 It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 1.00

00:29:41.000 I'm not going to bench press somebody off my back.

00:29:44.000 I don't know.

00:29:45.000 Whatever.

00:29:46.000 I'll do that and I'll adjust the training camp and adjust the programs when I get closer to the fight.

00:29:51.000 I don't mind sharing this because I think...

00:29:54.000 Guys, they make it more complicated than what it should be. 0.99

00:29:58.000 Like, sometimes I see all this crazy shit. 0.96

00:29:59.000 I'm like, I just don't understand the whole necessity behind needing that. 0.98

00:30:03.000 But I'm no physical strength conditioning doctorate or anything like that.

00:30:08.000 But from what I've seen that works for me, I just try to mimic everything that I feel in a fight and implement it into a workout.

00:30:14.000 And I figure out which ways I could do that, whether it's bands.

00:30:17.000 Push-ups, box jumps, wall sits.

00:30:20.000 I do wall sits get-ups with two plates.

00:30:22.000 So I'm sitting down on my butt, and I do like a technical stand-up.

00:30:26.000 And I use the wall and I push-ups, so it's a lot of leg work, a lot of core work.

00:30:29.000 With two plates. 0.99

00:30:30.000 It's fucked up. 0.99

00:30:30.000 With two plates. 0.99

00:30:31.000 Sometimes I come there, and I do it by myself in the morning.

00:30:34.000 I go to Law MMA by myself.

00:30:37.000 9am and I'm like, why am I putting myself through this?

00:30:40.000 It could be so much easier and more simple just to do the other stuff like the plyometric stuff, which has not as much impact on the body, but this is what I enjoy.

00:30:48.000 I think this is what translates to the fight because this is what I feel.

00:30:51.000 And I feel when I do this, I notice a drastic difference from one sparring session to the next.

00:30:56.000 But to answer your question, like...

00:30:58.000 I adjust it.

00:30:59.000 If my legs are on fire and I feel like they're really beat up from sparring, I'll do more upper body.

00:31:04.000 And then if I feel my upper body is more beat up, I'll switch it off to the lower body.

00:31:08.000 And if I feel like I'm fresh, like I had a good week, maybe I didn't spar on a Saturday, and I come in fresh on a Monday, I'll hit it hard and do full body, everything, and I'll give myself five rounds of pushing it.

00:31:18.000 But I'll separate it into rounds.

00:31:20.000 Simulate the fight for rounds.

00:31:21.000 So...

00:31:22.000 I do every single minute, but I'll do about 40, depending on how far I am from the fight.

00:31:28.000 If I'm just starting a training camp, I don't want to kill myself.

00:31:30.000 I want to ease my way into it.

00:31:32.000 So I'll start anywhere from 30, 35 seconds to 50 seconds.

00:31:37.000 And that 10-second window or that other 30-second window is my time to recover and get to the next station.

00:31:43.000 And I'll just rep.

00:31:44.000 Whatever I'm doing, burn it out, burn it out.

00:31:45.000 I'll do... 0.98

00:31:47.000 The med ball between my legs.

00:31:48.000 I'll do the foam roller in my arms and I'll squeeze it. 0.57

00:31:51.000 I'll simulate the rear neck and choke and I do it for two minute intervals.

00:31:53.000 And I'm just squeezing the piss out of it. 0.54

00:31:55.000 And obviously you can't do it, but you do it to failure.

00:31:57.000 And your arms get tired, you switch and go to the other side.

00:31:59.000 And you switch your legs, you figure forward, you scissor the legs.

00:32:02.000 So you give yourself a different type of stimulation to your body to kind of account for everything that you may possibly be in for the fight.

00:32:09.000 And you never know.

00:32:10.000 This fight, I did a lot of grappling, but I also did a lot of punching because I thought to myself...

00:32:16.000 There might be a possibility that I do not get Pager to the ground.

00:32:20.000 And I was happy I didn't force the takedowns because that would have fatigued me even more.

00:32:24.000 I was like, if it comes, it comes.

00:32:25.000 But I did a lot of output just burning out the arms, getting that muscle endurance, kind of using that Floyd Mayweather Structure of a workout, just getting the heavy back count, like high punch count in a five-minute round, and I'll do that for a couple rounds.

00:32:38.000 We do that a couple times a week, and I think you implement that with the lateral footwork that we do in the cage and just staying on your bike and having people stalk you and just not going crazy, but it's control.

00:32:49.000 They're throwing punches like hooks or they're throwing a one-two, and you got to bounce side to side and get out the way. 0.81

00:32:54.000 So it's a lot of...

00:32:56.000 At least I think it's practical for what you're going to actually see when you get in a fight.

00:33:00.000 And I think sure enough, a lot of the things we did pretty much happened in a fight.

00:33:04.000 I think long squeezes is a great idea.

00:33:07.000 Oh, it's insane.

00:33:07.000 Because that's something that comes up often in a fight, where you maybe got a guy in an arm triangle or something like that, and it's that close to whether you get it or he escapes.

00:33:15.000 It's like, how much squeeze, how long can you keep it down?

00:33:18.000 You know when you're caught in something?

00:33:20.000 And it's like you're almost kind of tapping, the guy lets go.

00:33:20.000 Yeah.

00:33:22.000 You're like, woo!

00:33:24.000 If you just held it a little bit longer.

00:33:26.000 Yeah, long squeezes.

00:33:27.000 Like my friend Scott Epstein, Einstein, he teaches at 10th Planet, West LA.

00:33:31.000 He's always been a big fan of slow, slow workouts.

00:33:36.000 Like he'll do chin-ups like this, like super slow.

00:33:38.000 I think that's what they call it, super slow.

00:33:40.000 And he'll do chin-ups like he's doing a chin-up. 0.99

00:33:43.000 It might take him two minutes to do a fucking chin-up. 0.99

00:33:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:45.000 For the entire time. 0.99

00:33:46.000 So like when you're grappling with someone, it's like you're trying to squeeze it and pull them in.

00:33:50.000 You've got that long-term squeeze endurance.

00:33:53.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:33:53.000 It's like quicksand.

00:33:55.000 If everything is fast and exploding, but then you get a rear naked and you have to continue to compress or a guillotine, you continue to squeeze.

00:34:04.000 It's different.

00:34:04.000 It's such a different feel.

00:34:06.000 It kind of reminds me, it is exactly like my Brian Carraway fight.

00:34:10.000 Although I did do three workouts on the day of that fight before the fight, even Matt told me in the back room, he's like, Aljo, save something for the fight.

00:34:16.000 I was like, no man, I'm good.

00:34:17.000 I was just going crazy.

00:34:19.000 In my head, I'm like, I did all the work, but I just wanted to be so prepared.

00:34:23.000 Because I knew it was the biggest fight of my life.

00:34:25.000 I knew if I beat him and finished him, I was probably going to get a title shot.

00:34:28.000 I was 4-0, undefeated, coming off three finishes.

00:34:30.000 And I knew if I finished him, I'm more than likely going to get...

00:34:32.000 And they lined me up, too.

00:34:34.000 Because the next week, I went to Fox, and I was supposed to talk about the Dominick Cruz fight versus Uriah Faber fight, which I went, but the fight didn't go my way.

00:34:41.000 So it kind of had a bittersweet taste to it.

00:34:44.000 Do you think it had anything to do with the extra rounds you put in or the extra work?

00:34:47.000 Did it tire you out?

00:34:48.000 100%.

00:34:49.000 I think if I had just done my one morning shakeout, 15-20 minutes, it was what I do now.

00:34:54.000 Just get the food moving through my system so that my body can get like, just feel like it's more alive again like it does during training camp.

00:35:00.000 I think that fight easily done in first round or even the second because he survived the first.

00:35:05.000 But I think the second round, I think I'd get him out of there.

00:35:07.000 But it's just experience, you know, learning and becoming more mature about the game and trusting your training.

00:35:12.000 Do you think that has anything to do with you training yourself?

00:35:14.000 Do you think that if you have a legit strength and conditioning coach who's monitoring your heart rate, are you monitoring your heart rate and all that stuff? 0.98

00:35:21.000 I just started doing stuff with the PI Center and I tried to, because I saw that guy Brendan Davis, he's 45 or 40 to beat and he's a big fucking dude! 0.98

00:35:21.000 No. 0.98

00:35:31.000 He's 135. Which is insane to me.

00:35:34.000 I don't know how he makes it.

00:35:35.000 That's what I said.

00:35:36.000 So I'm like, dude, if I'm going to have to be finding these giant guys, I need to figure something out.

00:35:40.000 And they explained how he was able to cut the weight, like he was running like 10 miles or something.

00:35:45.000 A day.

00:35:46.000 A day, which was insane to me.

00:35:47.000 I know he was saying some of it was like walking, but it's all about your heart rate, your resting heart rate, where you burn the most fat and calories or whatever you want to call it.

00:35:55.000 He's so big.

00:35:56.000 When I was standing next to him, I couldn't believe he makes 135. It's insane.

00:35:59.000 I was actually pretty upset. 1.00

00:36:01.000 I was like, fuck this guy. 1.00

00:36:02.000 Go back up to your weight class. 1.00

00:36:03.000 There he is right there.

00:36:04.000 And didn't he say that he weighed...

00:36:05.000 I think I asked him what he weighed in the cage.

00:36:08.000 I think he said somewhere around 160. Yeah.

00:36:10.000 I don't get that big.

00:36:11.000 What does he say?

00:36:12.000 I'll look.

00:36:13.000 I'll check.

00:36:14.000 It's bananas, man.

00:36:16.000 He's so gigantic.

00:36:17.000 And he's, what are you, like 6'1 or something like that?

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:19.000 Crazy for that weight class.

00:36:21.000 I don't want to fight a guy that's 6'1.

00:36:23.000 I got the unfair advantage right now. 1.00

00:36:26.000 Take your ass back out to 45. There's a device that I've been using called a Whoop. 0.99

00:36:30.000 And it measures your heart rate variability.

00:36:33.000 It measures your heart rate.

00:36:35.000 It measures your sleep cycle.

00:36:36.000 You wear it while you're sleeping.

00:36:37.000 And they say that that's one of the things that really determines whether or not you can push hard is monitoring your heart rate on a daily basis so that you see what it's like when you wake up.

00:36:47.000 So say if you wake up and your resting heart rate is like 40 beats per minute or something like that, if one day it's 50. You need to chill.

00:36:53.000 Yeah.

00:36:54.000 That day was maybe active recovery, maybe just do some light drills, nothing crazy, but you can't push it that day because you're already 10. So you might be getting sick or you might be worn out and you need to give yourself enough recovery.

00:37:07.000 I've gotten sick a lot in my last three training camps.

00:37:10.000 Yeah.

00:37:11.000 Something I've never experienced or dealt with before.

00:37:15.000 Tonsillitis twice.

00:37:16.000 I'm like, this is unreal.

00:37:18.000 I've never had to deal with anything like that before in my life.

00:37:20.000 I bet that has something to do with it, man.

00:37:21.000 I bet if you just monitor your heart rate and make sure that when you're waking up in the morning, it's not too high.

00:37:27.000 Yeah.

00:37:28.000 Because sometimes you just say, look... 1.00

00:37:30.000 You're a fucking professional fighter, man. 1.00

00:37:33.000 You're tough. 1.00

00:37:34.000 You have to assume that maybe sometimes you're too tough for your own good. 1.00

00:37:38.000 Because fighters are so fucking tough, they're not complaining about shit. 0.99

00:37:41.000 They're like, time to go to work. 1.00

00:37:42.000 I'm not a pussy. 0.99

00:37:43.000 Even if I don't feel like going to work, I'm going to work. 0.97

00:37:45.000 That's my mindset.

00:37:46.000 Yeah, of course.

00:37:47.000 I even talked to Tony Ricci.

00:37:48.000 He does some of the strength and conditioning with, like, Caitlin Chukagin and some of the other fighters, Oka Sasaki and the other guys at the gym.

00:37:54.000 And I always pick his brain.

00:37:56.000 Like, whenever I have questions, because, like I said, I'm not...

00:37:57.000 This is not my field, my expertise.

00:37:59.000 I've just been using the same program, just changing it up.

00:38:01.000 And I still work out from other people.

00:38:03.000 And I ask them questions and ask them for some things that I could tweak within my training session.

00:38:08.000 But of late, I've been doing better with taking more days off, like, two days back-to-back.

00:38:13.000 There's one time I even took three days off, and I was like...

00:38:15.000 So nervous.

00:38:16.000 You get in your own head like, dude, you're taking off way too much time. 0.96

00:38:19.000 And sometimes Ray has a way of breaking my balls and he goes, I don't know, Aljo. 0.98

00:38:24.000 Aljo! 0.97

00:38:26.000 He's like, this is a big fight.

00:38:27.000 I don't know, Aljo.

00:38:28.000 Are you going to take another day off?

00:38:29.000 I'm like, oh my God.

00:38:31.000 Don't do that to me because then I feel...

00:38:33.000 I know he's just playing, but sometimes I feel like...

00:38:36.000 It's hard to know if he's playing or not.

00:38:38.000 I think you're being serious.

00:38:39.000 He's so old school.

00:38:41.000 He really is.

00:38:42.000 Him and Matt Serra.

00:38:43.000 Ray Longo and Matt Serra in the corner.

00:38:44.000 The most entertaining corner of all time.

00:38:46.000 They're the best.

00:38:47.000 They're the best guys.

00:38:47.000 They're hilarious.

00:38:48.000 They should have a reality show.

00:38:48.000 It's so funny.

00:38:50.000 Just them in the corner giving fighters instructions.

00:38:53.000 They're amazing.

00:38:54.000 I'm hoping they can get something.

00:38:55.000 That would be sick if they ever got a reality show.

00:38:57.000 Even something with the team.

00:38:58.000 I think that would be fun.

00:38:59.000 We've got a bunch of characters.

00:39:00.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:39:01.000 Every fight camp does, right?

00:39:03.000 You've got to be an interesting person to want to do that for a living.

00:39:06.000 Yeah.

00:39:06.000 Here they are.

00:39:08.000 Dude, sometimes I would just listen to the, I just like listening to the feedback so I can hear them screaming in the corner and you can just hear Matt going off like, yes, Aljo!

00:39:18.000 That's it, Aljo!

00:39:19.000 Show them who you are!

00:39:20.000 Whenever they're in the corner together, I always say, I always tell the guy in the booth, go to Sarah and Longo.

00:39:25.000 Go, go, go.

00:39:26.000 I want to hear them.

00:39:27.000 Dude, that last one was great.

00:39:29.000 The ESPN guys, they posted like a little clip of them in the corner when Matt comes in and Ray comes in. 0.99

00:39:33.000 He's like, fuck yeah! 0.98

00:39:34.000 I was like, dude, I got pumped up. 0.99

00:39:37.000 And they tweeted something like, get yourself a corner like Matt and Ray.

00:39:42.000 Best.

00:39:42.000 That was the best.

00:39:43.000 They're amazing people.

00:39:44.000 They're just great guys, too.

00:39:47.000 There's so many great corners now.

00:39:49.000 It's really interesting to see this sport evolve.

00:39:51.000 And that's why when you get a bad corner, it stands out like a sore thumb.

00:39:54.000 When someone gets bad advice, they don't get good technical advice, or they don't get honest advice in their corner, it's like, wow.

00:40:00.000 And all the other fighters get the chance to see that.

00:40:03.000 That's your advertisement, right?

00:40:04.000 Like, when you're...

00:40:06.000 Like, for us, a hobby is probably one of my all-time favorites, for sure.

00:40:09.000 He's a beast.

00:40:09.000 He's really a beast.

00:40:10.000 When you hear him in the corner between rounds, in many ways, it's an advertisement to go train at his gym if you're a top fighter.

00:40:16.000 Because you hear him talk.

00:40:17.000 He's so technical in his description.

00:40:19.000 He's so aware of what should happen and when it should happen that he just knows what to do and when to do.

00:40:24.000 And it's like, that's excellent advice.

00:40:26.000 Yeah.

00:40:27.000 Jamie, shut your mic off. 1.00

00:40:29.000 I'm hearing your fucking rapper. 1.00

00:40:31.000 Your mic's got to be on. 1.00

00:40:33.000 Is that loud?

00:40:34.000 I didn't think it was.

00:40:38.000 No, I heard it too.

00:40:39.000 I did hear it.

00:40:39.000 What is that rap?

00:40:40.000 What are you doing, man?

00:40:41.000 Was that made out of paper chips?

00:40:43.000 The rapper?

00:40:44.000 It's made out of potato chips?

00:40:47.000 Yeah, it's like a corner is, in many ways, it's the advertisement for the gym.

00:40:52.000 You see, when you hear...

00:40:53.000 You're winning.

00:40:54.000 Just go out and outbox them.

00:40:54.000 You're definitely winning.

00:40:56.000 It's not winning.

00:40:57.000 We're in the corner.

00:40:58.000 That is not good advice.

00:40:59.000 It's not.

00:41:00.000 And my thing is, you've got to give some type of instructional feedback.

00:41:04.000 Something to correct or something to do better or encourage them to keep doing the same things that they're doing.

00:41:09.000 Something where there's instruction.

00:41:12.000 Not like, get up.

00:41:14.000 You think I need to get up?

00:41:14.000 Oh, really?

00:41:15.000 I think I know I need to get up.

00:41:17.000 But how the hell do I get up? 0.99

00:41:19.000 Well, the weirdest shit was Diego Sanchez. 0.99

00:41:21.000 Daniel Sanchez in his last fight, I don't know who he trained with. 0.99

00:41:25.000 He left Jackson Winkle, Winklejohn.

00:41:27.000 I don't know if he had training partners.

00:41:30.000 I don't know what he did.

00:41:32.000 And he had the one guy in his corner tell him, be like Tyson.

00:41:35.000 Go out in there and... 0.99

00:41:37.000 No fucking way did he say that. 0.99

00:41:39.000 He was giving him weird advice. 0.99

00:41:39.000 Yes, he did. 0.99

00:41:41.000 And you know, Diego was getting...

00:41:43.000 Michael Chiasa was just flowing on him.

00:41:45.000 Yeah.

00:41:46.000 Just flowing.

00:41:47.000 And every time Diego was able to capitalize on a position, like a slip-up or a window of opportunity to get on top...

00:41:54.000 He just fucked it up, and then Chiesa just got right back up, created a scramble, and then he was right back in the dominant position once again.

00:41:59.000 I was like, yeah, this is not going to end well. 0.90

00:42:01.000 I thought he was going to get the finish, but...

00:42:02.000 Dude, the way you saw Diego Sanchez manhandle Mickey Gall... 0.89

00:42:08.000 Crazy.

00:42:09.000 ...is then the way you see Michael Chiesa... 0.68

00:42:12.000 Manhandle Diego Sanchez.

00:42:13.000 Levels.

00:42:14.000 Levels?

00:42:14.000 Wow.

00:42:15.000 Levels.

00:42:15.000 And size.

00:42:17.000 Chiesa, you want to talk about a guy who cut too much weight. 0.96

00:42:20.000 It is incredible that that dude ever made 155 pounds.

00:42:24.000 He's so big.

00:42:25.000 He's large.

00:42:25.000 That is a big man.

00:42:26.000 He's so big. 1.00

00:42:27.000 And when you put your hand on him like I'm interviewing him, it's like a fucking piece of wood, man. 1.00

00:42:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:31.000 That's some grappling constrictor strength. 0.99

00:42:35.000 Yeah, he's a big dude, man.

00:42:37.000 I saw him before the fight in the P.I. sense.

00:42:39.000 I was like, dude.

00:42:40.000 And I told him the same thing.

00:42:41.000 I was like, dude, I don't know. 0.99

00:42:41.000 I really do not know how the fuck you ever made 155. It's probably counterproductive for you to even go down there. 0.99

00:42:48.000 Because you just got such a big frame.

00:42:49.000 I think he would excel at 70. I think so, too.

00:42:52.000 But what's interesting is he's done way better at 70 than Kevin Lee has.

00:42:56.000 And Kevin Lee beat him at 55. Yeah.

00:42:59.000 So it's crazy how, like, you got to go up and wait, but you also got to do it the right way.

00:42:59.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 I think he did it the right way.

00:43:05.000 When he's at 170, he's super healthy.

00:43:07.000 Yeah.

00:43:08.000 Strong dude, man.

00:43:09.000 So fit.

00:43:11.000 And he flows.

00:43:12.000 Like, the way he was flowing with Diego, he just, he didn't, like, tighten up.

00:43:16.000 He was in total control.

00:43:18.000 He would take chances.

00:43:19.000 He would roll into crucifix positions.

00:43:22.000 He would lose it and get a hold of him again, again, take him down.

00:43:25.000 It's like, It was like a black belt rolling with a blue belt.

00:43:28.000 That's what it was like.

00:43:28.000 I was like, wow, this is crazy to watch.

00:43:30.000 Or a purple belt.

00:43:31.000 It's crazy to watch.

00:43:32.000 It's different, man.

00:43:33.000 There's really levels to the game.

00:43:36.000 It's also size.

00:43:37.000 Size too.

00:43:38.000 Diego weighed 169 the day before the fight.

00:43:41.000 Didn't have to cut any weight at all.

00:43:43.000 Whereas Kiesler probably weighed in the 190s.

00:43:46.000 I wonder what makes him want to go down to 55 then.

00:43:46.000 He looked huge.

00:43:50.000 Not go down to 55. What is this, Jamie?

00:43:52.000 What?

00:43:52.000 This is voodoo coach.

00:43:53.000 Oh, this is his coach.

00:43:54.000 This is the voodoo coach that would be Diego Sanchez's corner. 1.00

00:43:57.000 No one else.

00:43:58.000 This dude has no experience as an MMA coach, by the way.

00:44:01.000 So this is the dude that's telling him to be like Tyson.

00:44:03.000 He's being like water right now.

00:44:04.000 You see that slip?

00:44:05.000 That slip?

00:44:06.000 Oh, bro.

00:44:07.000 Touch butt. 0.82

00:44:09.000 Diego's such a strange guy, man. 0.97

00:44:11.000 He might believe that this dude has magic powers.

00:44:13.000 Because he was talking about...

00:44:15.000 But I think a big part of Diego's success is his belief system, right?

00:44:21.000 Diego just believes things.

00:44:22.000 Dude!

00:44:23.000 This guy's amazing.

00:44:24.000 What technique.

00:44:25.000 Here comes an elbow.

00:44:25.000 Oh, come on, son.

00:44:26.000 Show me that.

00:44:27.000 Oh, knocking people out.

00:44:29.000 Bro.

00:44:30.000 Oh, so good. 1.00

00:44:31.000 Imagine looking at this guy and go, listen, fuck Longo and Sarah. 1.00

00:44:36.000 That's where I need to be. 1.00

00:44:37.000 We need to learn that voodoo. 1.00

00:44:38.000 That would actually be a good skit.

00:44:40.000 Like, yo, I'm going out to train.

00:44:41.000 Like, just have the whole thing leading up to it. 0.95

00:44:43.000 And then let them know, like, I was just fucking around, you know? 0.92

00:44:45.000 I think that's what Anderson Silva did when he brought in Steven Seagal. 0.98

00:44:48.000 Complete joke.

00:44:50.000 People were buying it.

00:44:55.000 Well, Stagall was selling it.

00:44:57.000 He was selling it.

00:44:58.000 You know, he's like, that's a technique that I taught Anderson.

00:45:01.000 It's a front kick, bro.

00:45:03.000 That's a front kick. 0.63

00:45:04.000 Everybody knows that one.

00:45:06.000 That's day one white belt class. 0.99

00:45:09.000 Oh, man.

00:45:10.000 I can't believe people bought it for so long.

00:45:12.000 It's almost like the Ronda Rousey thing, too.

00:45:14.000 There he is.

00:45:15.000 Look at this. 0.61

00:45:16.000 Ooh, karate chops the head, son. 1.00

00:45:18.000 Imagine these dudes standing there while he practices all this shit. 1.00

00:45:22.000 There's George. 1.00

00:45:23.000 They all had to do it with a straight face. 0.97

00:45:26.000 Anderson's like the ultimate troll. 0.95

00:45:27.000 Look, he's practicing it. 0.97

00:45:29.000 Anderson's practicing it.

00:45:30.000 His acting is so good, though.

00:45:32.000 It's so good.

00:45:33.000 You know what this is like?

00:45:35.000 This is like a circus clown giving Dave Chappelle comedy technique.

00:45:42.000 Like some dude who's like a, you gotta get a nose, a honk honk.

00:45:47.000 Dave's like, okay, honk honk.

00:45:49.000 It's really what it's like. 0.96

00:45:50.000 It's like Dave Chappelle getting comedy technique from a clown. 0.91

00:45:53.000 That reminds me of the Napoleon Dynamite when he's like, would you want to get kicked by me in these pants? 0.94

00:46:00.000 Break the wrist, walk away.

00:46:02.000 Yeah.

00:46:03.000 But the thing is, Seagal was a legit Aikido specialist.

00:46:07.000 Like, if it was just Aikido, like, that's when people... 0.82

00:46:10.000 Just because a guy seemed kind of silly, you forget.

00:46:13.000 Like, he had a real, legit history with Aikido.

00:46:18.000 He was the first American to ever teach at a dojo in Japan, speaks fluent Japanese, and he's a legitimate Aikido master.

00:46:26.000 Like, 100% absolute legitimate Aikido master.

00:46:29.000 The thing is, Aikido is just not something that translates perfectly to MMA. What is this?

00:46:36.000 Seagal Best Aikido with Russian National Aikido Team.

00:46:40.000 Yeah, bro, I'm not bullshitting, man.

00:46:42.000 His Aikido is 100% legitimate. 0.99

00:46:45.000 But you see, I would almost discredit everything just based on that one parody thing of a joke, that shit show of a joke. 0.98

00:46:53.000 Yeah, but I mean... 0.99

00:46:54.000 Break the wrist, walk away. 0.65

00:46:55.000 But this is all nonsense.

00:46:56.000 Someone's going to give you their arm like that. 1.00

00:46:59.000 But if they did, he would fuck you up. 0.99

00:47:01.000 Better than this, because this is Seagal as an older man who's overweight. 0.99

00:47:05.000 Go to Steven Seagal when he was really young.

00:47:07.000 There's black and white footage of him teaching at a dojo in Japan.

00:47:11.000 There it is.

00:47:11.000 He is 100% legit.

00:47:14.000 And Akito's not the best martial art for self-defense.

00:47:18.000 It's just not.

00:47:19.000 But it has its applications.

00:47:20.000 And in its applications, he's a master at it.

00:47:23.000 Much like...

00:47:24.000 Jiu-jitsu has its applications, but it's not great for kickboxing, right?

00:47:29.000 Taekwondo has its applications, but it doesn't work if you kick the legs and punch the face.

00:47:32.000 But if you learn how to do it, those techniques can apply if you know all the other stuff. 1.00

00:47:36.000 Well, if you know all the other stuff, this motherfucker has some real shit. 0.99

00:47:40.000 It's just whether or not you would have to be so good at all the other stuff that you could utilize this. 0.99

00:47:45.000 Now, obviously, he's showing in this technique, he's showing knife defense and stuff like that, but this is all 100% legit technique.

00:47:53.000 He's good, man.

00:47:55.000 I mean, not good.

00:47:56.000 He's outstanding.

00:47:58.000 His Aikido is outstanding.

00:47:59.000 The real question is, how effective is Aikido?

00:48:02.000 Yeah.

00:48:03.000 I'm still like, I can't get past the jokes of the front kick.

00:48:07.000 It's hard to get past that part.

00:48:09.000 I didn't know this.

00:48:10.000 It's hard to get past someone who doesn't have an objective understanding of how people view them.

00:48:16.000 Yeah.

00:48:18.000 Me and George St. Pierre wanted to learn how to throw a turning sidekick for me.

00:48:22.000 Dude, you're an animal at that, by the way.

00:48:24.000 I felt embarrassed teaching him, though, because I'm just a comedian, and I'm a commentator. 0.90

00:48:30.000 But I was like, I know this sounds crazy, but I really know how to do it. 0.99

00:48:33.000 And then when I did it, he was like, holy shit! 0.98

00:48:35.000 I was like, yeah, this is what I used to do. 1.00

00:48:37.000 But me showing him that, I mean, I'm under no illusion that I could kick George St. Pierre's ass. 1.00

00:48:44.000 He would fuck me up every day of the week. 0.99

00:48:46.000 But I was like, I have this one thing that I can show you that I bet you can't do the way I can do it. 0.99

00:48:51.000 And I can show you how to do it.

00:48:52.000 But I'm not like what Seagal's doing.

00:48:56.000 That's a front kick, man.

00:48:57.000 He knows that's a front kick.

00:48:59.000 You know?

00:49:01.000 And even a spinning back kick, you can teach someone it, but them having the confidence to execute that, to choose to do that.

00:49:07.000 Like, you're in a situation, the guy's coming forth, you choose to spin.

00:49:10.000 You gotta be so rock solid with your understanding of that technique.

00:49:14.000 You're not gonna get that without years and years and years and years and years of drilling it.

00:49:18.000 That could be a death sentence in a live combat fistfight.

00:49:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:23.000 So, even when I throw it sometimes, I'm like, man, I throw a lot of shit, man. 0.97

00:49:27.000 I do the tornado kicks and shit now, and I did one time DiPedro in this fight where he came at me, and I stepped back, and I did a hopping, spinning back kick. 0.98

00:49:38.000 The one Uriah Hall hit Gegard Mousasi with. 0.97

00:49:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:41.000 I did that, but it hit him right on the belt, not exactly where I wanted to land. 0.98

00:49:45.000 In the picture, my foot slides down, it looks like I kicked him in the balls, but... 0.96

00:49:48.000 It was, like, right above, like, the belt line. 0.96

00:49:50.000 I was like, ah, man, if I just got a little bit more to the side with the heel, I would have probably dropped him.

00:49:55.000 Do you practice that, like, in front of the bag?

00:49:57.000 Oh, yeah, but then I would have someone holding the shield, and I would just go for, like, 20 minutes.

00:50:01.000 And I'd just have it, like, controlled.

00:50:01.000 Yeah.

00:50:03.000 Like, I'm like, yo, because I want to have, like, a stationary target, but also somewhat moving, so it was more...

00:50:10.000 just spinning back kick me to the ribs. 0.99

00:50:12.000 The way I learned how to do it was swinging a bag.

00:50:14.000 I would swing a bag, and the bag was coming close to me.

00:50:17.000 I would jump up there and spin and do it that way.

00:50:20.000 The only fight that I have from Taekwondo at all was me winning by knockout with a jump-spinning back kick.

00:50:26.000 Really?

00:50:26.000 The only one that's on YouTube.

00:50:27.000 Yeah, the only one when I was like 19. Jamie could probably find it.

00:50:31.000 But that technique, if you do it right, if you do it right, it's fucking devastating. 0.78

00:50:35.000 But you open yourself up whenever you turn and you spin. 0.96

00:50:38.000 So I'm doing it in Taekwondo where you can't punch to the face.

00:50:41.000 It's less risky.

00:50:43.000 You can't kick to the legs.

00:50:44.000 You can get away with it more. 0.97

00:50:46.000 You can't punch to the face, but you can kick to the face. 0.99

00:50:48.000 You can kick to the face, yeah, which is ridiculous. 0.99

00:50:51.000 What do you got? 0.99

00:50:52.000 What happened?

00:50:52.000 Yeah.

00:50:54.000 Oh, here it is.

00:50:55.000 This is me when I'm 19. That's you?

00:50:58.000 Yeah, that was me.

00:51:01.000 But it's like the same thing.

00:51:02.000 He's coming forward and I caught him as he's coming forward.

00:51:05.000 But that technique in MMA, Valentina does it better than anybody. 1.00

00:51:11.000 She does it, you don't even see it coming.

00:51:13.000 Valentina Shevchenko, she just throws it. 1.00

00:51:16.000 If you hit somebody with that, it's like getting hit by a car.

00:51:20.000 Yeah.

00:51:20.000 I mean, that's what I was telling George.

00:51:22.000 I was like, if you do it right, your weight is going towards it.

00:51:24.000 The problem with the way most people do it, they're hitting it and bouncing off of it.

00:51:28.000 You're not even going all the way through it.

00:51:30.000 You're not following through.

00:51:31.000 They're going bang, like that.

00:51:32.000 They're hitting it and going bang.

00:51:33.000 I'm saying go boom!

00:51:35.000 Go through it.

00:51:36.000 Your weight should be going through it.

00:51:38.000 And it seems awkward, but once you develop the technique and do it properly, it's not awkward.

00:51:43.000 It's the best way to do it.

00:51:44.000 And you get so much weight going forward.

00:51:46.000 That's another problem I have.

00:51:48.000 And I was talking about this earlier today with some of the guys.

00:51:51.000 Like, I normally try to rewatch all my fights and then take like a notebook or my phone and jot down notes and things I could do better.

00:51:59.000 Or things that I think I fucked up or I want to clean up, that type of stuff.

00:52:03.000 And one of the things I'm noticing, I mean, I've noticed it for a while.

00:52:07.000 But now I think that's going to be like the next evolution of my game is sitting down on my punches and my strikes more so that it has more of my body weight behind it.

00:52:15.000 Because I punch a lot in transition.

00:52:16.000 And it's cool.

00:52:17.000 It's fancy.

00:52:18.000 It's hard to hit.

00:52:18.000 I'm super elusive that way, but...

00:52:20.000 Again, like we were talking about, man, the work rate is just high.

00:52:23.000 You've got to be constantly moving, but it's fun to watch.

00:52:27.000 Do you think you're going to stick with doing all your strength and conditioning yourself, or do you think you will move to a professional strength and conditioning group?

00:52:34.000 I mean, as you move into five-rounders, too.

00:52:36.000 Yeah.

00:52:36.000 Right?

00:52:37.000 Well, I trained for five-round fights when I was doing this, too, but obviously the level of competition wasn't the same.

00:52:43.000 That was on the regional circuit before I came up.

00:52:46.000 I mean, I had success in training when I was sparring with five different bodies, five different individual rounds, you know?

00:52:52.000 And I did pretty good in terms of my cardio, but I was also a young bull back then.

00:52:56.000 I'm a little older.

00:52:56.000 I still think I'm a young bull, but it's a difference when you're 21, 22 compared to 29, even though, you know, I think I'm right now in my prime years.

00:53:04.000 I think also you're aware of, like, all the damage you're doing to your body all the time, too.

00:53:08.000 Where you're 21, you're barely aware of it. 0.98

00:53:10.000 You just go nuts. 0.97

00:53:12.000 Yeah, your brain's not even fully formed. 1.00

00:53:14.000 Just throwing kicks and punches and going crazy? 1.00

00:53:16.000 Yeah.

00:53:17.000 But I mean, maybe.

00:53:18.000 That Tony Ricci guy at the gym, he's pretty good.

00:53:21.000 I feel bad taking up his time because he helps out so much and volunteers so much of his time.

00:53:25.000 I feel bad because it's not like I'm not...

00:53:29.000 He doesn't ask for money.

00:53:30.000 So it's like, I feel bad if I'm not paying you for your service.

00:53:32.000 I don't like...

00:53:34.000 He doesn't ask for money.

00:53:35.000 Nah, not from the fighters.

00:53:37.000 He likes just seeing the local guys do well and he likes helping out.

00:53:41.000 That's amazing.

00:53:41.000 Yeah, he's a professor.

00:53:42.000 I forget the school he's a professor at, but really, really smart dude.

00:53:46.000 I know he goes down to the PI Center from time to time to share some knowledge and learn some stuff from those guys as well.

00:53:53.000 Maybe I'll go that route.

00:53:54.000 It would be nice if I was able to train at the PI Center and have that entire staff on hand.

00:54:00.000 Have you thought about doing a camp there?

00:54:03.000 If you did, do you think Longo and Sarah would be interested in doing that?

00:54:06.000 They can't, right?

00:54:07.000 They really can't.

00:54:08.000 They can.

00:54:08.000 They got family.

00:54:09.000 They got the kids.

00:54:10.000 They got their gyms.

00:54:12.000 I always tell them, yo, can we move to somewhere warmer, like Florida or something?

00:54:16.000 No state tax.

00:54:18.000 Bring the whole team.

00:54:19.000 Bring the whole team.

00:54:20.000 Bring the whole family.

00:54:20.000 We get a bigger house.

00:54:22.000 They don't want to do that, though.

00:54:23.000 Not these little shacks. 1.00

00:54:23.000 Those Long Island dudes, man, they got roots. 1.00

00:54:26.000 I know.

00:54:26.000 That's what it is.

00:54:27.000 Ray's like...

00:54:30.000 Al Joe!

00:54:31.000 He's got everything in here.

00:54:33.000 They both do.

00:54:34.000 They're so used to that community, too.

00:54:36.000 It's like, that's their family, their friends, everybody's there, all the guys who come to the gym.

00:54:40.000 It's like, I get it.

00:54:41.000 I get it, but man, if you're a professional, it seems like every little edge that you can get can mean a little bit of something, and that Performance Institute is a real edge.

00:54:53.000 That place is amazing.

00:54:55.000 Well, I look at it like I got my striking from Ray.

00:54:57.000 I got my jiu-jitsu from Matt and all the other guys, Jason Brown, those guys, and the Henzo Gym whenever I go to Henzo's in the city.

00:55:03.000 And then I had the wrestling, my own background, and then I teach the wrestling classes at the gym, and then I go down to Hasha sometimes and I borrow some of those guys.

00:55:12.000 I mean, they're not like...

00:55:14.000 The Penn States, but they're still solid wrestlers.

00:55:16.000 They're giving me pretty damn good work compared to what a lot of the wrestling looks like in MMA now.

00:55:21.000 So I'm getting solid work there.

00:55:23.000 I think the main part is my nutrition, and I really don't sleep. 0.99

00:55:27.000 I sleep, I'm so fucked up. 0.99

00:55:28.000 I really don't sleep. 0.99

00:55:29.000 I mean, the CBD helps me the most, but everything else, unless I'm hammered and I just pass the fuck out, but then I'm fucked up the next day. 0.96

00:55:37.000 That sounds counterproductive. 0.98

00:55:39.000 Totally counterproductive.

00:55:40.000 Have you heard of that chill pad?

00:55:43.000 This is something I haven't tried, but Mark Sisson, he's the guy from...

00:55:43.000 No.

00:55:48.000 He wrote that book, The Primal Blueprint, and he's a nutrition expert, and he's a former endurance athlete, but he's a giant believer of this thing where you put it as a mattress pad, and it chills your body to a certain temperature.

00:56:05.000 You could set it for whatever temperature makes you most comfortable, But apparently, he said it is a game changer in terms of your ability to sleep through the night.

00:56:13.000 Like, I woke up in the middle of the night last night.

00:56:14.000 I must have been having a crazy dream. 0.89

00:56:15.000 I was sweating like a pig.

00:56:17.000 And I woke up and I'm drenched with sweat. 0.99

00:56:19.000 I'm like, fuck, why am I so sweaty? 0.99

00:56:20.000 Like, what the fuck's wrong with my brain? 0.99

00:56:22.000 But with this, apparently, when you keep you at a chilled temperature, you just snooze. 0.99

00:56:27.000 He said he sleeps hard.

00:56:29.000 What do you got?

00:56:29.000 I got that bed.

00:56:30.000 You did it?

00:56:31.000 It's coming.

00:56:32.000 You got a chill pad?

00:56:32.000 So I don't have it yet, but we'll be here by the time we get back into another show.

00:56:36.000 I'll have a review for you on how it works.

00:56:38.000 Oh, amazing.

00:56:39.000 So you ordered one?

00:56:40.000 Full bed, though.

00:56:41.000 It's not just a pad.

00:56:42.000 Literally, there's a tube, like an air conditioner tube goes into the mattress, and it's connected to an app.

00:56:48.000 And it can regulate your body like a sleep number bed type thing.

00:56:51.000 What is it called?

00:56:51.000 This one is called Eight Sleep, I believe, or Sleep Eight.

00:56:54.000 It's the same thing?

00:56:55.000 Yeah, same thing.

00:56:56.000 So this is the actual mattress itself.

00:56:58.000 So how much is that thing?

00:57:01.000 I looked at the prices.

00:57:02.000 I was surprised that it was not as expensive as I would think it would be, especially compared to, like, I heard Miss Pat say she bought one of those sleep number beds. 0.99

00:57:10.000 Oh, she's funny as fuck, by the way. 0.99

00:57:12.000 She's hilarious. 1.00

00:57:13.000 Oh, my God.

00:57:14.000 That last episode?

00:57:16.000 Oh, my God.

00:57:17.000 It starts at $2,000, I guess, which probably goes up depending on size.

00:57:21.000 Wait a minute.

00:57:21.000 Do they give it to you for free?

00:57:22.000 I do have a promotional offer, I believe. 1.00

00:57:26.000 Oh, shit, Jamie. 0.99

00:57:27.000 Working in the promotional game. 1.00

00:57:28.000 I like it, though.

00:57:29.000 I don't have a code or anything to give anyone.

00:57:31.000 I don't have a bed.

00:57:32.000 I haven't tested it, so I don't know what it's like.

00:57:34.000 I have a pull-out couch.

00:57:35.000 What?

00:57:36.000 Dude, I have a very...

00:57:37.000 Unique way of thinking. 0.99

00:57:39.000 You're a top Bantamweight contender in the fucking UFC. It's fucked. 1.00

00:57:43.000 Are you sleeping on a pullout bed? 1.00

00:57:45.000 Yeah.

00:57:46.000 What?

00:57:48.000 Al Jermaine, that's outrageous.

00:57:50.000 You need to be able to sleep.

00:57:52.000 No wonder why you have a problem sleeping.

00:57:53.000 Well, I feel like I still always had the problem.

00:57:55.000 I think I might have sleep apnea.

00:57:57.000 My girlfriend, Rebecca, she's had me...

00:58:00.000 She's recording me like...

00:58:01.000 Oh my god.

00:58:03.000 I was like...

00:58:04.000 You just got to deal with it.

00:58:04.000 Yeah, baby.

00:58:05.000 You just got to deal with it.

00:58:07.000 I bet you do have it.

00:58:08.000 Dudes with big necks get it. 0.96

00:58:09.000 Yeah.

00:58:09.000 I have it.

00:58:10.000 I have a thing that I put a mouthpiece in that I got from this guy, Dr. Karopian.

00:58:14.000 It pushes my tongue down.

00:58:16.000 No, the mouthpiece sits on your bottom and it's got like a tongue.

00:58:20.000 Like someone touching your tongue, pushing down on it.

00:58:24.000 And it keeps my tongue from sliding back and covering over my air hole.

00:58:31.000 I just got one from a dentist that I'm working with, and he has the one that pulls your bottom jaw forward, like these bands.

00:58:39.000 It's been helping, but my jaw is just really tight in the morning, so I'm like...

00:58:39.000 Is it helping you?

00:58:44.000 Oh, that's not good.

00:58:45.000 Then you gotta wait for like half an hour for it to kind of reset and adjust back.

00:58:48.000 But man, being able to sleep, I feel like I could be so much more efficient with my day because I always hit that midday crash, which I'm not sure if that's normal.

00:58:55.000 But I wake up, I have the most energy because I'm just taking a bunch of power naps.

00:58:59.000 Because I wake up so many times in the middle of the night.

00:59:01.000 Well, there's a company that I know that sells them that you could just buy and it's like a boil and bite mouthpiece kind of thing.

00:59:07.000 And it has a bar that keeps your tongue from sliding back.

00:59:10.000 That's what you use?

00:59:11.000 No, this is a different one.

00:59:12.000 There's a couple different versions here.

00:59:15.000 I don't know which one you want to...

00:59:16.000 I've never seen a tongue one.

00:59:17.000 These are different, though.

00:59:18.000 There's one that...

00:59:18.000 These are different.

00:59:20.000 Here, I'll pull it up real quick.

00:59:22.000 This one goes around your tongue.

00:59:23.000 It looks like a pacifier.

00:59:24.000 That's real weird looking.

00:59:25.000 That looks really weird.

00:59:27.000 Yeah.

00:59:28.000 It looks like an octopus.

00:59:29.000 Not an octopus.

00:59:30.000 Jellyfish.

00:59:30.000 What's those things?

00:59:31.000 That's weird.

00:59:32.000 I don't think I can sleep with that.

00:59:32.000 More like what you're saying with that.

00:59:33.000 You bite down on that.

00:59:35.000 No, there's one that's different.

00:59:36.000 Hold on a second.

00:59:37.000 I'll find it here.

00:59:38.000 Yeah, this one is...

00:59:38.000 I'll go into my orders.

00:59:39.000 The one I got is molded to my teeth, and then the bottom jaw just gets pulled forward.

00:59:43.000 So when I just relax, my tongue is not like...

00:59:46.000 It's not covering my airway.

00:59:48.000 It's a really common thing with guys who are like football players and powerlifters and wrestlers.

00:59:55.000 You develop...

00:59:56.000 Oh, here it is, Jamie.

00:59:57.000 It's...

00:59:58.000 Hold on a second.

00:59:59.000 It's called Z-Y-P-A-H. Z-Y-P-P. Z-Y-P-P-A-H. Is it two P's or one P? Two P's. 0.85

01:00:13.000 Two P's. 1.00

01:00:14.000 Z-Y-P-P-A-H. See, that's it. 1.00

01:00:15.000 So you see that thing there that has that band?

01:00:17.000 That band sort of lays on your tongue, and it keeps your tongue from sliding back, and then you breathe out of the top and bottom, just like an over-under mouthpiece.

01:00:26.000 I'm trying to envision this right now.

01:00:28.000 It's just keeping your tongue from sliding back.

01:00:31.000 That's how it helps you.

01:00:34.000 See that band at the bottom?

01:00:36.000 The band at the back?

01:00:37.000 That's what it is.

01:00:37.000 Yeah.

01:00:38.000 I remember I went to a dentist and they told me, yeah, we could get you a mouthpiece for like five grand. 0.98

01:00:42.000 I was like, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:00:43.000 Five grand? 0.55

01:00:44.000 It's like, dude, some guy in the city and my friend is the one who connected me with him.

01:00:48.000 It's like, yeah, this guy's going to do right by you.

01:00:50.000 This guy told me five grand. 0.99

01:00:51.000 I was like, dude, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:00:53.000 Five grand for a mouthpiece? 1.00

01:00:54.000 That's so crazy. 1.00

01:00:55.000 And then he made me two mouthguards, and they were both shit anyway. 1.00

01:00:59.000 Fighting mouthguards? 0.99

01:01:00.000 I don't want to bash this.

01:01:00.000 Let me not bash this guy.

01:01:02.000 Well, shout out to the mouthpiece guy.

01:01:03.000 He made mine.

01:01:05.000 The guy's awesome.

01:01:06.000 He's got an Instagram page.

01:01:08.000 Shaq makers? 0.95

01:01:09.000 We do.

01:01:09.000 Shaq.

01:01:11.000 Shaq.

01:01:11.000 Shaq's a zippa.

01:01:12.000 Oh, he makes it.

01:01:13.000 Or is he endorsing it?

01:01:14.000 He definitely has sleep apnea.

01:01:16.000 Look at the size of him.

01:01:17.000 That guy's gigantic.

01:01:17.000 Can you imagine what Shaq snoring sounds like?

01:01:22.000 That should be a reality show. 0.97

01:01:24.000 Having to fall asleep in the room.

01:01:26.000 You wait for Shaq to sleep and then you gotta go in the room and fall asleep. 0.99

01:01:30.000 Think about how long would it take you if it was like a game show.

01:01:34.000 Like if Shaq is out cold.

01:01:38.000 Dude, there's no way.

01:01:43.000 You gotta lay next to him and it's like a timer.

01:01:46.000 Fall asleep, fall asleep.

01:01:46.000 Go!

01:01:46.000 Ready?

01:01:48.000 I'm not...

01:01:48.000 I'm tired.

01:01:50.000 And he's 800 pounds, and he's 17,000 feet tall, and he's laying next to you.

01:01:55.000 Yeah, it's just not happening.

01:01:56.000 It's not happening.

01:01:58.000 That would be a hilarious, like, Fear Factor-type show.

01:02:01.000 Trying to fall asleep next to Shaq.

01:02:04.000 You could end up in a hotel room next to him and play that game on accident.

01:02:06.000 Accidentally.

01:02:07.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:02:08.000 Make those walls shake.

01:02:10.000 You hear the chandeliers clinking.

01:02:12.000 Every time he breathes out. 0.91

01:02:16.000 Yeah, a giant dude like him, he must have a crazy snore. 0.96

01:02:21.000 Andre the Giants probably was insane. 0.85

01:02:24.000 Yao Ming.

01:02:26.000 That stuff takes away so much from your recovery.

01:02:29.000 Because if you're snoring and you're not getting the proper oxygen in, you know, this Dr. Kuropian that I go to, he puts this thing in your mouth and he has you breathe in and out.

01:02:37.000 It actually literally measures the output of your breath, like how much comes in and comes out.

01:02:41.000 And he devised this thing to hold your tongue in place, to open up your airway.

01:02:45.000 Almost like a resting VO2 max kind of thing.

01:02:49.000 Yeah.

01:02:49.000 Similar, at least.

01:02:50.000 Yeah, and some guys wind up getting up.

01:02:52.000 I know a couple guys have gotten an operation.

01:02:54.000 They open up your throat hole better, and they remove your tonsils, and they remove your adenoids, and it opens up the area.

01:03:01.000 Really?

01:03:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:02.000 They literally get their fucking neck operated on. 1.00

01:03:05.000 They cut some of the meat out so that you have more air. 1.00

01:03:10.000 I wonder how does that work in terms of being an athlete?

01:03:12.000 Like, would that...

01:03:15.000 You definitely wouldn't be able to get choked for a long time. 0.97

01:03:17.000 Yeah, I feel like that would fuck me up. 1.00

01:03:19.000 Imagine someone getting you in a guillotine after you've had your tonsils and adenoids and all that shit. 1.00

01:03:19.000 For a long time. 1.00

01:03:23.000 You'd be months, months after where you'd be able to really train hard, I would imagine.

01:03:28.000 Yeah.

01:03:28.000 Maybe I'm not going to do that.

01:03:30.000 Maybe I won't go that route.

01:03:32.000 But if it works.

01:03:33.000 But the thing is, doesn't your tonsils, don't they play a part in your immune system?

01:03:38.000 I don't know.

01:03:39.000 I mean, they're there.

01:03:42.000 They're not like an appendix, right?

01:03:44.000 They're there for a reason.

01:03:45.000 It's not like a leftover vestige of a different time.

01:03:49.000 And people get it removed, too.

01:03:51.000 Yes, what, Jamie?

01:03:53.000 Part of the body's immune system, location at the back of the throat, stop germs from entering the body through the mouth or nose.

01:04:01.000 And they contain a lot of white blood cells.

01:04:05.000 Need those.

01:04:06.000 Yeah, so...

01:04:08.000 Maybe just get a mouthpiece.

01:04:10.000 Yeah.

01:04:10.000 Well, I got this guy, Andrew.

01:04:12.000 He's making these new dental mouthpieces.

01:04:17.000 It's called Dental Impact.

01:04:18.000 So it's supposed to help you for MMA fighters.

01:04:21.000 It's supposed to have a little extra cushion for you.

01:04:23.000 You ever try the double padded mouthpiece?

01:04:26.000 And they have that little slit, and you're supposed to be expected to breathe through that.

01:04:26.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:30.000 But once you open your jaw, the mouthpiece falls out.

01:04:32.000 So this one is supposed to have a little bit of a layer, like a gel, where you bite into it, and it helps almost pull the jaw forward, so it gives you a little bit more...

01:04:41.000 There's room for impact so you can bike down.

01:04:45.000 I think it's going to just be better for combat.

01:04:47.000 I haven't tried it yet.

01:04:48.000 He's supposed to send me one so I could try it out and give some feedback and see how it all works.

01:04:52.000 There used to be a company called Shock Doctor.

01:04:54.000 Are they still around? 0.97

01:04:56.000 I know they do cups and shit like that. 1.00

01:04:58.000 I think there was a Shock Doctor mouthpiece that had the same idea behind it, but I was super skeptical. 0.91

01:05:07.000 Yeah, shock doctor.

01:05:07.000 There it is.

01:05:08.000 But I think there's real science to that. 1.00

01:05:10.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

01:05:12.000 What is that shit? 1.00

01:05:13.000 It's got a lip guard. 1.00

01:05:14.000 Demandable, man.

01:05:15.000 Mouthpiece for football players usually use that shield.

01:05:19.000 A lip guard?

01:05:20.000 Oh, so you don't get your mouth, your lips busted.

01:05:23.000 Hmm.

01:05:24.000 So there's a...

01:05:25.000 What's that airflow one?

01:05:26.000 Screw it up a little bit there?

01:05:27.000 The white one?

01:05:28.000 What does that say?

01:05:29.000 Max airflow football mouth guard.

01:05:31.000 Huh. 1.00

01:05:32.000 That looks stupid. 0.99

01:05:32.000 I guess it lets air through the middle, I guess. 0.99

01:05:34.000 Yeah, but that's fine with football.

01:05:34.000 The hole.

01:05:36.000 That's not fine for a five minute round.

01:05:38.000 But it looks small.

01:05:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:40.000 Like it doesn't...

01:05:40.000 The hole?

01:05:41.000 Yeah, to like go all the way...

01:05:42.000 Well, the part you bite on.

01:05:44.000 Right, right, right.

01:05:45.000 It's not far enough back.

01:05:46.000 Yeah.

01:05:47.000 Like you dig into it.

01:05:48.000 Like what are you biting on?

01:05:48.000 Just the top part with your first few teeth?

01:05:51.000 I think they used to have these kind of things and they were making some claims.

01:05:55.000 Maybe not Shock Doctor, but maybe another company.

01:05:58.000 I think it was another company that was making a claim that it would allow you to take shots better.

01:06:02.000 Reduce concussion.

01:06:03.000 I think it has something to do with those two nubs on top of the jaw, the mandible bone.

01:06:09.000 I guess it clips the nerve and that's what shuts the lights off in the brain.

01:06:13.000 What is that one that says fang double braces?

01:06:15.000 Scroll back up?

01:06:16.000 It's for people that have braces.

01:06:18.000 Oh, is that one it is?

01:06:18.000 I always wanted it because my daughter had braces and she was going to jiu-jitsu.

01:06:21.000 She'd get choked and her mouth would get all cut up.

01:06:23.000 It has a bunch of holes in it, not just one big one.

01:06:26.000 Oh.

01:06:26.000 You're not allowed to wrestle without...

01:06:27.000 If you have braces in wrestling in high school, you're not allowed to compete unless you have a mouthpiece.

01:06:31.000 That's like a new rule.

01:06:33.000 They shouldn't be allowed to compete without mouthpieces anyway. 0.98

01:06:35.000 You don't want to fuck up your lips. 0.98

01:06:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:06:37.000 Even now, when I rustle and I bite down when I'm shooting sometimes and I get my jaw smashed against my teeth, I, like, chips on my teeth that way. 0.99

01:06:46.000 Yeah, it's not good.

01:06:47.000 Now I wear a mouthpiece.

01:06:47.000 Always.

01:06:48.000 I always wear a cup, too. 0.99

01:06:50.000 I wear a cup because I got kneed in the dick once and my dick was bleeding. 1.00

01:06:55.000 Again, my friend Scott Epstein, Einstein, same dude, he was passing my guard and just in accident slammed his knee into my dick, flattened my dick out, right on the dick. 1.00

01:07:07.000 It's just sometimes it happens where it's like, you zig, they zag, pop! 0.99

01:07:12.000 And when I took my jock off at the end of rolling, there was blood in my jock strap.

01:07:17.000 I'm like, oh no.

01:07:19.000 Were you guys drilling?

01:07:20.000 Were you going live?

01:07:21.000 No, we were going live.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, we were going live.

01:07:24.000 It just was an accident.

01:07:25.000 It was just an accident. 1.00

01:07:26.000 It was just shit that happens. 1.00

01:07:28.000 But if I had it... 0.99

01:07:29.000 Now I wear one of those diamond MMA cups. 0.99

01:07:32.000 You ever fuck with those? 0.99

01:07:33.000 With the compression shorts? 1.00

01:07:34.000 So here's my thing with those guys.

01:07:36.000 And I was going to say something earlier, but I didn't want to.

01:07:38.000 I just don't think one cup fits all.

01:07:41.000 I just can't see how... 1.00

01:07:42.000 You're trying to say your dick's too big. 1.00

01:07:43.000 I understand Aljo. 1.00

01:07:45.000 No, my crotch is just... 0.99

01:07:50.000 The diamond cup is too big for my crotch, man. 0.99

01:07:52.000 Well, they make different sizes. 0.99

01:07:53.000 It like chafes.

01:07:54.000 Oh, I see.

01:07:55.000 It's not comfortable.

01:07:56.000 I was like, dude, maybe I'm wearing it wrong.

01:07:56.000 And I tried it.

01:07:58.000 I tried it upside down.

01:07:59.000 They must be making different sizes.

01:08:01.000 They told me, no, dude, it's one size fits all.

01:08:03.000 I'm like, dude, this just doesn't make any sense.

01:08:04.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:08:06.000 Francis Ngannou.

01:08:07.000 Francis Ngannou and Henry Cejudo.

01:08:09.000 One size fits all. 1.00

01:08:10.000 Get in the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:08:10.000 We're in the same cup. 1.00

01:08:13.000 That's what they told me.

01:08:14.000 What are you saying?

01:08:15.000 That's not even possible.

01:08:17.000 Yeah.

01:08:17.000 That's outrageous.

01:08:18.000 They've come up to the fight events.

01:08:19.000 I've actually seen them in Chicago.

01:08:21.000 I saw them in Chicago again, handing out samples and stuff.

01:08:24.000 And he asked me, how did you like the cup? 0.98

01:08:26.000 I'm like, I don't want to be a dick. 0.73

01:08:27.000 I don't like being a mean guy, but you asking me this question, I feel like I got to tell you the truth. 0.96

01:08:31.000 I'm like, I just didn't like it.

01:08:32.000 He's like, what was wrong with it?

01:08:33.000 Tell me.

01:08:35.000 One size just doesn't fit all.

01:08:36.000 That's what I told him.

01:08:37.000 It just doesn't fit.

01:08:38.000 It's too big down there.

01:08:40.000 You don't want something that's comfortable so you can kick and lift your leg, squeeze your legs together. 1.00

01:08:45.000 That shit's going to be crushing my sack all over the place. 1.00

01:08:45.000 Nah, man. 1.00

01:08:48.000 I get it.

01:08:49.000 For me, it fits perfect, but I get it.

01:08:51.000 Everybody's got a different size junk area. 0.99

01:08:54.000 And if you have fatter thighs, too, right? 0.99

01:08:56.000 Like dudes with giant, like Sean Jordan, guys with giant, thick-ass legs. 0.95

01:09:02.000 How are you going to get... 0.78

01:09:04.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 It's going to rub against it.

01:09:05.000 But the compression shorts would help with that.

01:09:08.000 Because that's the whole idea, is that instead of the way everybody used to wear, it was just like a jockstrap, right?

01:09:14.000 You'd have a cup in the jockstrap, and it kind of floated around. 0.97

01:09:17.000 I remember in a Tagovando tournament, I got kicked in the balls once, and my cup slammed into my nut. 0.98

01:09:23.000 And I was convinced. 0.99

01:09:25.000 I was convinced my balls were useless after that because my shit swole up like two times the size it should have been and it was all purple and I was like, I broke my balls. 0.99

01:09:35.000 Did you have to get it drained or did you just like go down? 0.99

01:09:37.000 Please, I was 18. I didn't do a goddamn thing. 0.99

01:09:39.000 I didn't do a goddamn thing. 1.00

01:09:40.000 I think I jerked off to make sure it worked. 0.99

01:09:44.000 Once it still worked, I'm like, we're good.

01:09:48.000 Oh, man.

01:09:49.000 It's horrible. 1.00

01:09:50.000 That's what I did after Einstein broke my dick. 1.00

01:09:52.000 I waited that night. 1.00

01:09:53.000 beat off just to make sure it worked.

01:09:55.000 I'm like, we're good.

01:09:56.000 We're good.

01:09:58.000 That is funny, man.

01:09:59.000 That is funny.

01:10:00.000 It was like chicken embryos in my toilet bowl.

01:10:02.000 My baseball coach when I was younger, like... 0.99

01:10:04.000 You're sick. 0.98

01:10:06.000 Baloox. 0.99

01:10:10.000 It just came out. 0.94

01:10:11.000 Piss came out bloody, too. 0.82

01:10:13.000 I pissed blood for a couple days. 0.97

01:10:14.000 That's the worst, piss and blood. 0.99

01:10:16.000 Well, I knew it was all just dick blood. 0.97

01:10:18.000 I was just like, the moment I feel like any sort of infection or it feels like it's sore, it didn't hurt.

01:10:23.000 So I was like, I'm not going to be nervous.

01:10:25.000 I'm going to treat it like my nose.

01:10:26.000 I'm like, I don't want my nose to fall off either, but if my nose is bloody, I don't freak out. 0.99

01:10:30.000 So I didn't want to freak out if my dick was bloody. 0.97

01:10:32.000 I'm like, let me just treat it like it's a normal thing. 0.99

01:10:36.000 Just don't freak out.

01:10:38.000 And it was fine.

01:10:39.000 It's like a northern lion in the room.

01:10:42.000 Don't freak out.

01:10:43.000 Don't make eye contact.

01:10:44.000 Keep moving. 0.97

01:10:45.000 Dude, if I'm pissing blood, I'm freaking the fuck out. 0.74

01:10:47.000 I know. 0.59

01:10:48.000 I was a little freaking out.

01:10:49.000 It wasn't like I was not nervous at all, but I was trying to rationalize.

01:10:52.000 I was saying, okay, this is no different than my nose. 0.99

01:10:55.000 If my nose was bleeding right now and I ran to the hospital freaking the fuck out, I'd be a bitch. 0.99

01:11:00.000 Right? 1.00

01:11:01.000 Right?

01:11:01.000 How many times has your nose been bloody?

01:11:04.000 A lot. 1.00

01:11:04.000 It's your dick. 1.00

01:11:05.000 It's your dick. 1.00

01:11:06.000 You gotta need that for some things, you know? 1.00

01:11:09.000 You definitely do.

01:11:09.000 I definitely wasn't...

01:11:10.000 I mean, I wasn't ignoring it.

01:11:12.000 I was like, the moment it feels...

01:11:13.000 Like, if my nose was infected, I'd probably walk it off. 0.99

01:11:15.000 But if my dick is infected, I am going straight to the ER. Oh, man. 0.99

01:11:20.000 It's dangerous, man. 0.99

01:11:21.000 Infections are fucking dangerous. 0.99

01:11:23.000 They scare the shit out of me. 0.99

01:11:24.000 Especially down there. 0.96

01:11:24.000 Anywhere. 0.96

01:11:25.000 Infections are terrible.

01:11:26.000 There's a football coach today. 1.00

01:11:28.000 I guess he publicly stated he would cut his dick off for a Super Bowl win. 0.99

01:11:31.000 Oh, don't say that. 1.00

01:11:32.000 Then they're going to have the female Super Bowl League. 1.00

01:11:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:35.000 When the female NFL comes along, you could join up. 1.00

01:11:39.000 You could be a champ.

01:11:41.000 Ha ha ha!

01:11:43.000 Nowadays, you can just do that.

01:11:44.000 You just decide, I'm a woman, and I'm a champion.

01:11:47.000 Someone make that argument that they said Dennis Robbins should be considered the first NBA player.

01:11:52.000 Transgender NBA player? 1.00

01:11:53.000 No, he's still a dick. 1.00

01:11:54.000 He fucks girls. 1.00

01:11:56.000 He doesn't even pretend to be a girl. 1.00

01:11:58.000 He's just crazy. 0.99

01:12:00.000 He's more of a cross-dresser. 0.99

01:12:02.000 But even that's more for show.

01:12:03.000 He does it for fun. 1.00

01:12:05.000 He's too big to be doing all that shit. 1.00

01:12:08.000 What's crazy is that he's like the link to North Korea. 1.00

01:12:11.000 He's friends with a dictator.

01:12:13.000 They fly him over there.

01:12:14.000 He's playing basketball with that dude, partying with him, and even giving him advice on how to get along with Trump and everybody should get along.

01:12:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:23.000 I guess. 0.92

01:12:24.000 I mean, if it's working, they're not going to bomb us and shit. 0.94

01:12:26.000 He was my favorite dude. 0.82

01:12:28.000 Him and Eric Roberts were my favorite dude on Celebrity Rehab because neither one of them had a real problem.

01:12:34.000 Eric Roberts would smoke weed.

01:12:36.000 So he stopped smoking weed.

01:12:37.000 You see him every morning. 1.00

01:12:38.000 He's fucking reading the newspaper, drinking coffee. 1.00

01:12:41.000 He doesn't have a problem in the world. 1.00

01:12:42.000 Fucking Dennis Robbins on the treadmill. 1.00

01:12:45.000 He's running miles and shit. 1.00

01:12:46.000 He's a professional athlete, man. 0.99

01:12:47.000 So he's not drinking.

01:12:48.000 He's not partying anymore.

01:12:50.000 He likes to party.

01:12:51.000 What is he going to live forever if he doesn't party?

01:12:53.000 And Eric Roberts smokes a little weed.

01:12:55.000 What's the big deal?

01:12:56.000 So both of those guys on that show were like, I don't see the problem.

01:12:59.000 You guys are okay.

01:13:01.000 Like, really?

01:13:02.000 Can you check again?

01:13:04.000 Rodman's doing miles on the treadmill.

01:13:06.000 Everybody else is going through seizures, detox, and they're freaking the fuck out.

01:13:10.000 And Rodman's just sweating.

01:13:11.000 Woo! 0.99

01:13:12.000 Getting it in.

01:13:13.000 Yeah.

01:13:14.000 He's fine.

01:13:15.000 That's funny.

01:13:16.000 That is funny, man.

01:13:17.000 How crazy is it that Kim Jong-un dude loves him?

01:13:20.000 I... That's a weird relationship.

01:13:23.000 How does that work?

01:13:25.000 There's a lot of guys who...

01:13:26.000 There he is.

01:13:27.000 Party!

01:13:28.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:13:29.000 The guy loves basketball, man.

01:13:31.000 Crazy.

01:13:31.000 What happened to his lip, though?

01:13:33.000 Rodman?

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 Doing a bunch of stuff.

01:13:35.000 Putting barbs in there and stuff.

01:13:38.000 No, but it looks like something happened. 0.98

01:13:39.000 Like it got bit by a rattlesnake or some shit. 0.97

01:13:42.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:13:43.000 This shit is swollen. 1.00

01:13:45.000 Well, he's always had big lips. 1.00

01:13:47.000 And then on top of that, he's got a hole in it. 1.00

01:13:49.000 Look at that fucking hole. 1.00

01:13:50.000 That ring that's pushing down on his lip. 1.00

01:13:52.000 That's crazy.

01:13:53.000 But I feel like when he was in his prime years in the NBA, his lips didn't look like that.

01:13:58.000 They looked like burnt down.

01:14:00.000 It looks infected.

01:14:01.000 I think that barb makes it look crazy. 0.94

01:14:04.000 Crazy-er. 0.91

01:14:05.000 Yeah, crazy-er. 0.74

01:14:07.000 I think it's like that picture right there. 0.89

01:14:09.000 Trump with his lips.

01:14:09.000 Look at that.

01:14:11.000 It's like a fucking, which lip would you have for the rest of your life? 0.99

01:14:14.000 If you have the trees... 1.00

01:14:18.000 Like, weird downturned lips?

01:14:21.000 Gigantic infected lips?

01:14:22.000 Or little tiny, tiny, tiny lips?

01:14:25.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:14:26.000 It's a hard call.

01:14:27.000 It's a hard call.

01:14:28.000 You know, if you have to take who's look for the rest of your life.

01:14:31.000 Kim Jong-un.

01:14:32.000 I'm going to go with Rodman.

01:14:33.000 Because at least he's a professional athlete.

01:14:35.000 He's got a great body.

01:14:36.000 You know?

01:14:42.000 Well, it's weird when dictators get really into athletics, right?

01:14:45.000 Like that Chechnyan guy sends a lot of MMA fighters out.

01:14:48.000 Oh, I heard you talking about this.

01:14:50.000 Wyby was telling us the story.

01:14:50.000 Yeah.

01:14:52.000 That guy's like nuts, I heard. 1.00

01:14:53.000 I'm sure he's nuts. 1.00

01:14:54.000 Like, he likes... 0.99

01:14:56.000 I don't know if this is okay to talk about it or not.

01:14:59.000 He's a powerful, powerful man.

01:15:01.000 He's a dangerous, powerful man.

01:15:02.000 He told Weidman to fight the other guy and was dead serious about it.

01:15:09.000 I think he figured out a way to get out of it or something.

01:15:13.000 Why did Weidman fight one of his guys?

01:15:14.000 I think it was either one of his guys or Verdum.

01:15:17.000 Fight either Verdum or one of his guys.

01:15:18.000 I think that's what he said.

01:15:19.000 Something crazy like that.

01:15:21.000 Did he want to pay him to do it?

01:15:24.000 I think so, but it was kind of like one of those, like just super powerful, just kind of like he gets what he wants, you know? 0.99

01:15:31.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:15:32.000 That's like, dude, you don't get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:15:34.000 That's like some enter the dragon shit, right? 0.99

01:15:35.000 He flies you out to an island. 1.00

01:15:39.000 You! 0.99

01:15:39.000 Fight! 0.99

01:15:40.000 Fight! 1.00

01:15:40.000 And he sits there in his fucking giant throne. 1.00

01:15:44.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:15:45.000 Asking people to fight.

01:15:46.000 Yeah.

01:15:47.000 Yeah, I guess if you're that rich and that powerful, you can kind of get away with that.

01:15:51.000 But it's happened before.

01:15:52.000 We've had dudes out there and they made an agreement. 1.00

01:15:54.000 Alright, let's fucking fight. 0.99

01:15:55.000 Let's go after it, right? 1.00

01:15:57.000 Yeah.

01:15:58.000 There's stuff like that that makes me nervous to go to places like that.

01:16:00.000 I'm like, I just came here to enjoy the culture. 0.99

01:16:02.000 Not to do all this extracurricular shit. 0.99

01:16:05.000 Imagine if you go to Moscow and you knock out Pyotr Yan. 1.00

01:16:08.000 Oh, I'm running the fuck out of there. 0.98

01:16:09.000 And then Putin wants you to come over. 0.97

01:16:12.000 Come.

01:16:13.000 Come.

01:16:14.000 Come over to the castle.

01:16:16.000 Yeah, I don't know what that's happening.

01:16:18.000 You go in there and Pedro Munoz is there in shorts. 0.99

01:16:22.000 You're like, what the fuck is going on? 1.00

01:16:24.000 Rematch, motherfucker! 1.00

01:16:25.000 Rematch! 1.00

01:16:26.000 Yeah.

01:16:26.000 Rematch!

01:16:27.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:16:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:28.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:16:30.000 Oh, I was saying the bed though, man.

01:16:31.000 I got a pull-out couch. 0.99

01:16:33.000 Damn, why do you have a pull-out couch? 0.99

01:16:35.000 This is funny how we got all the way to hear from the pull-out couch. 0.99

01:16:39.000 Yeah, so Airbnb my house.

01:16:41.000 I got my real estate license back in March.

01:16:43.000 I finally finished my...

01:16:44.000 I did like one flip before in Arizona.

01:16:46.000 It didn't go so well.

01:16:47.000 But I gained the experience.

01:16:49.000 I used that as like the cost of doing business.

01:16:51.000 So I learned a lot, man.

01:16:52.000 Learned a lot about like developing and that type of stuff.

01:16:54.000 You learned that from Rage Now?

01:16:56.000 No, we took the course together the same year, how to flip houses.

01:16:56.000 Yeah.

01:16:59.000 There's actually a bus tour going on right now, and a guy hit me up, Nick LaMagna.

01:17:03.000 He wants me to come down probably tomorrow.

01:17:05.000 It's in Irvine. 0.98

01:17:06.000 But those guys, they kill it, man. 0.97

01:17:07.000 They're doing crazy commercial stuff. 0.94

01:17:10.000 They're doing stuff in just residential Hawaii.

01:17:13.000 All right, Quinta's selling a lot of houses, right?

01:17:16.000 He's killing it, man.

01:17:16.000 That's awesome for him.

01:17:17.000 I got my license.

01:17:18.000 I haven't sold a single house yet.

01:17:20.000 Since March.

01:17:21.000 Well, I was training for a fight, you know, so...

01:17:23.000 It's gotta be hard. 0.97

01:17:24.000 Yeah, well, I don't even know how to use the fucking MLS yet, so... 0.97

01:17:28.000 That's a problem. 0.86

01:17:29.000 So if you ask me to show you something, like send you houses, like listings, I should be able to like comprise like some data of like things that fit your criteria and then send it to you on like an automatic email.

01:17:39.000 But I got to learn how to do that.

01:17:40.000 So I'm kind of just sitting there.

01:17:42.000 But to get back to what I was saying, like I bought the house after the Cody statement fight, before the Cody statement fight. 0.88

01:17:47.000 So I'm like shitting bricks.

01:17:48.000 I'm like trying to close.

01:17:49.000 The house was about to...

01:17:50.000 The deal was about to fall through. 0.98

01:17:52.000 The day of closing, I was like, get the fuck out of here. 0.97

01:17:54.000 You're going to close this deal one way or the other. 0.97

01:17:56.000 Even if I got to shell out extra money, I would shell out the extra money.

01:17:59.000 So I get the house.

01:18:00.000 Next thing you know, my mortgage is $3,000.

01:18:02.000 So $3,000 plus my utilities.

01:18:04.000 I'm looking at about $3,500, $3,600.

01:18:07.000 Now, when you equate the salary that I make from fighting and everything and New York taxes and all that...

01:18:12.000 It's just not very...

01:18:14.000 Lucrative.

01:18:15.000 Yeah, it's not sustainable.

01:18:16.000 There's no way I can do that unless I'm fighting like three, four times a year, like guaranteed.

01:18:20.000 If I'm not, I might be in some trouble.

01:18:22.000 I don't have health insurance right now.

01:18:24.000 Really? 1.00

01:18:24.000 Yeah, and this is like crazy shit. 1.00

01:18:27.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:18:28.000 That's crazy.

01:18:29.000 You're fighting in a cage without health insurance.

01:18:31.000 Don't get hit by a car.

01:18:32.000 Just don't get hit by a car today.

01:18:33.000 If you get injured in a fight though, you're compensated, right?

01:18:36.000 I'm compensated, but if it's like an illness, I'm not compensated for nothing like that.

01:18:40.000 So it's a little different.

01:18:41.000 So that's why I'm like, I gotta make sure I don't get sick, I gotta make sure I'm doing the right things, look both ways before I cross the street.

01:18:48.000 Like little things like that.

01:18:50.000 Yeah, so I bought the house, whatever.

01:18:51.000 It managed to close.

01:18:53.000 So I'm trying to figure out ways to sustain this because then my mom's in a situation where she's facing an eviction at the time. 1.00

01:18:59.000 She's going through a five-year divorce now. 0.99

01:19:02.000 October's going to be five years. 0.99

01:19:03.000 And it's just my dad, he could be a pain in the ass to deal with in terms of just using his rational, humanly side of thinking. 0.99

01:19:11.000 He just doesn't get it. 0.99

01:19:13.000 Yeah.

01:19:14.000 I've been trying to somehow be the bridge between the two. 0.99

01:19:19.000 It's been a lot of fucked up years, like domestic abuse and shit like that. 0.99

01:19:21.000 So I grew up with a lot of that, man. 1.00

01:19:24.000 My dad, not to get off subject, but that shit fucked me up in terms of my confidence as a kid. 0.99

01:19:30.000 I mean, he would just call us stupid and all these names for whatever reason. 0.99

01:19:34.000 And I felt like even until dating in middle school and high school was tough for me because, yeah, I was the good-looking kid, but at the same time, I didn't know how to hold a conversation because I was never taught. 0.96

01:19:45.000 I was never taught by my dad how to do certain things.

01:19:48.000 And...

01:19:50.000 That made me very self-conscious in approaching females and stuff like that. 1.00

01:19:53.000 If they didn't approach me, if my friends didn't start the conversation, forget about it.

01:19:57.000 If I seen a chick that I liked that I had a crush on, forget about it.

01:19:59.000 I'm not talking to her.

01:20:00.000 Even my girlfriend to this day, we went to the same high school, never talked to her.

01:20:03.000 We never spoke.

01:20:04.000 And I thought she was one of the sexiest, prettiest, most beautiful females out there in the whole high school. 0.94

01:20:09.000 And I just never talked to her.

01:20:11.000 I just always see her.

01:20:12.000 I would smile and be like...

01:20:14.000 Yeah, I want to talk to you, but I can't.

01:20:15.000 I just can't do it.

01:20:16.000 I just can't do it.

01:20:16.000 But now we're dating, whatever.

01:20:18.000 But yeah, man, so I had to learn how to do a lot of that stuff on my own.

01:20:22.000 But yeah, I'm trying to bridge the gap between the two of them.

01:20:24.000 And it's just been really tough.

01:20:25.000 So she's facing the eviction.

01:20:27.000 I got to figure something out now.

01:20:29.000 And long story short, I don't want to go too crazy into details, but...

01:20:33.000 Long story short, I won the fight with Cody Stammen, so that was huge for me. 0.96

01:20:36.000 If I didn't win that fight, I would have been fucked in terms of really trying to help my mom. 0.88

01:20:40.000 Because I wasn't trying to take my hard-earned money and throw it into something like a rental. 0.96

01:20:44.000 I'm like, it just doesn't make any sense because she doesn't have green papers, so she wasn't working.

01:20:48.000 My dad paid for everything.

01:20:50.000 He was a sugar daddy.

01:20:52.000 He did his street pharmacy stuff.

01:20:54.000 He had his street pharmacy ways. 1.00

01:20:56.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:20:56.000 So he made his money the way he made his money. 1.00

01:20:58.000 Yeah.

01:21:00.000 She never had to work.

01:21:01.000 That's an interesting way of putting it, street pharmacy.

01:21:03.000 Yeah, I don't know what's okay to say.

01:21:08.000 Before there's people knocking at the door.

01:21:09.000 So yeah, your son just confessed to years and years and years of...

01:21:13.000 No, no.

01:21:14.000 Band-Aids.

01:21:15.000 Yeah, street pharmacy.

01:21:16.000 Selling tampons.

01:21:17.000 But my mom would help him.

01:21:18.000 And I just felt obligated as one of her oldest kids.

01:21:21.000 I know she's got two kids older than me.

01:21:23.000 On her side alone, she has 10 kids.

01:21:25.000 Just with my mom.

01:21:26.000 Not with my dad.

01:21:27.000 Just her alone.

01:21:29.000 And with my dad, she has eight.

01:21:30.000 I'm the oldest of the eight with my dad.

01:21:32.000 And then the two other kids are from another...

01:21:34.000 Two different guys.

01:21:35.000 So it's just... 0.99

01:21:36.000 Our family tree is like just fucking wacky. 0.99

01:21:38.000 It's just all over the place. 0.99

01:21:39.000 Like, my family hasn't even met my girlfriend's family.

01:21:42.000 It's just like...

01:21:43.000 Wow.

01:21:44.000 It's...

01:21:44.000 I don't even know how the wedding's gonna go.

01:21:45.000 You know, if we ever decide to get married, like...

01:21:47.000 It's going to be chaos.

01:21:48.000 Yeah, do I invite?

01:21:49.000 Like, who do I invite?

01:21:50.000 Who do I not invite to make sure there's no, like, bumping a head?

01:21:54.000 This is you elope, bro.

01:21:54.000 Just elope.

01:21:55.000 We did it last minute, guys.

01:21:56.000 We ran off to Mexico.

01:21:57.000 We didn't have a party, though.

01:21:58.000 This way the wedding doesn't get ruined.

01:22:00.000 But then you have a party afterwards, and then the party goes sideways.

01:22:00.000 Yes.

01:22:04.000 Hey, we had a great wedding.

01:22:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:06.000 Yeah, you just go.

01:22:07.000 You and her and maybe like a couple other people. 1.00

01:22:09.000 Just go to fucking the Bahamas or some shit. 1.00

01:22:11.000 See, that's what I want to do. 1.00

01:22:12.000 But you see what she wants to do?

01:22:13.000 She has a huge family too.

01:22:14.000 So she wants everybody there. 1.00

01:22:17.000 She's got family in California, in Texas, back in Salvador.

01:22:21.000 I'm like, yo.

01:22:22.000 It's my special day.

01:22:23.000 It is.

01:22:24.000 It is.

01:22:25.000 It's my special day.

01:22:26.000 That I'm probably going to be paying the entire bill for it. 1.00

01:22:29.000 Fuck yeah, you have to. 1.00

01:22:30.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

01:22:31.000 That special day is so nuts.

01:22:32.000 You spend so much money.

01:22:34.000 Shouldn't we not spend this money and just go on vacation?

01:22:37.000 That's the way I live my life. 1.00

01:22:39.000 And also, more than that, a lot of weddings are like a fucking car. 1.00

01:22:43.000 It costs like a brand new car. 1.00

01:22:45.000 It's a kid's tuition.

01:22:46.000 It's your future child's tuition that you're spending on a wedding.

01:22:48.000 What are we doing with all this money?

01:22:51.000 Society, man.

01:22:51.000 I think you see everyone.

01:22:53.000 The way they dressed it up and they programmed our brains.

01:22:56.000 And if you're kind of stuck in your ways and that's what you want, that's what you want.

01:22:59.000 And I get it.

01:23:01.000 Everyone wants to be their princess moment.

01:23:03.000 I get it.

01:23:04.000 I want to be Princess Aljamain.

01:23:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:23:06.000 This is very important to me, Aljamain.

01:23:08.000 It's very important to me.

01:23:10.000 Yeah, I can imagine her listening to this right now.

01:23:12.000 Sorry.

01:23:12.000 We're just joking.

01:23:13.000 I'm sorry.

01:23:14.000 I'm married, too. 0.99

01:23:15.000 I should shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:23:17.000 Listen, you want to be happy. 1.00

01:23:18.000 That expression, happy wife, happy life.

01:23:20.000 Whatever.

01:23:21.000 What do I got to do? 0.97

01:23:22.000 I was like, my house, I don't have a goddamn thing on the walls of my house. 0.96

01:23:25.000 I didn't put nothing up. 0.98

01:23:26.000 It's all my wife.

01:23:27.000 That's why this place is so crazy.

01:23:29.000 She did this too?

01:23:30.000 No!

01:23:31.000 This place is free! 1.00

01:23:33.000 This is what my fucking house should look like. 1.00

01:23:34.000 It'd be Elk Skulls and American Flags and Mitzi Shore and Thai Buddhas and Richard Pryor. 0.99

01:23:39.000 The Ghostbuster gun. 1.00

01:23:41.000 That's what my fucking house would be like. 1.00

01:23:43.000 This podcast studio. 0.99

01:23:45.000 But if you go over to my house, you'd be like, oh, we're in the wrong place.

01:23:47.000 Joe doesn't live here.

01:23:49.000 That's funny. 0.97

01:23:50.000 This is like a woman or a gay guy. 0.87

01:23:53.000 Who lives here? 0.96

01:23:55.000 I hear you, man.

01:23:55.000 That's how my house is, except my girlfriend hasn't...

01:23:58.000 She hasn't moved in yet, so she hasn't been able to put her own special touches on things. 0.99

01:24:03.000 Bring her mattress and get the fuck over. 1.00

01:24:05.000 Yeah, pretty much. 1.00

01:24:06.000 I need a fucking bed. 0.99

01:24:07.000 I'm like, babe, we need new beds there. 1.00

01:24:08.000 We're just going to take yours.

01:24:09.000 Her bed is actually pretty comfortable.

01:24:10.000 What about one of these, maybe make a deal with this company that gave Jamie that bed?

01:24:13.000 What's that company again?

01:24:15.000 It's called Eat Sleep.

01:24:16.000 Hook a brother up.

01:24:17.000 Eat Sleep.

01:24:18.000 Listen, reach out to me.

01:24:19.000 Reach out to Al Jermaine.

01:24:21.000 Let's make something happen.

01:24:24.000 Listen, if there's something that really does work like that, I mean, I need to try it.

01:24:27.000 That Chill Pad is one that Mark Sisson recommends.

01:24:29.000 He said it's incredible.

01:24:31.000 He said it's a game changer.

01:24:32.000 It cools your body down.

01:24:33.000 You sleep way better.

01:24:34.000 Yeah.

01:24:34.000 I don't know if it's going to help my apnea, but it might feel better while I'm sleeping.

01:24:38.000 The other thing that will help your apnea is if you can get to a position where you've got a pillow where your mouth is dirty.

01:24:43.000 Like falling forward.

01:24:45.000 Instead of sleeping on your back, which is your tongue is going to fall back, sleep where your mouth kind of turns forward.

01:24:51.000 Because if I forget my mouthpiece and I go on the road, that's what I do.

01:24:54.000 And it's fine.

01:24:55.000 As long as I make sure that my head is pointing down.

01:24:58.000 It's like an awkward angle.

01:24:59.000 I wake up, my neck's killing me.

01:25:01.000 And I got bad neck from bulging disc and herniated disc in my neck.

01:25:04.000 Just from wrestling and jujitsu.

01:25:07.000 Of course.

01:25:07.000 Everybody does.

01:25:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:25:08.000 And yeah, it's fucked up. 0.99

01:25:10.000 Do you ever use one of those harnesses where you hang from your neck a little bit into spinal decompression? 0.98

01:25:14.000 I thought you were talking about one, that sleep mask thing.

01:25:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:18.000 I tried that too.

01:25:18.000 You breathe out of your nose.

01:25:19.000 That thing looks ridiculous. 1.00

01:25:20.000 I tried that. 0.93

01:25:21.000 Everyone was laughing at me.

01:25:22.000 Yeah, I can't sleep.

01:25:23.000 I can't go to bed with my sleep.

01:25:24.000 But if you breathe out of your nose, does your nose work good?

01:25:28.000 I don't think it's deviated.

01:25:28.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:25:30.000 It might be.

01:25:30.000 I don't know.

01:25:31.000 Can you go...

01:25:32.000 Do you do a yoga class ever and just breathe out of the nose only?

01:25:36.000 I've done, I think, one yoga class.

01:25:38.000 And that was in college.

01:25:39.000 That was a long time ago.

01:25:41.000 But if you can...

01:25:43.000 These neck things, you can find them on Amazon.

01:25:47.000 They're just a neck harness.

01:25:48.000 It's not expensive.

01:25:49.000 And it straps to a door, the top of the door.

01:25:52.000 Decompressing.

01:25:52.000 And you have a little click, click, click.

01:25:53.000 You pull it and it pulls your neck and you can just relax and it just stretches your neck out.

01:25:57.000 What's it called?

01:26:00.000 Spinal decompression harness.

01:26:01.000 Yeah, I probably could get one of those.

01:26:03.000 They'll help you.

01:26:04.000 It's a good thing to relax your neck. 0.98

01:26:06.000 When you do like the incline bed and you hang upside down, even though all the blood rushes to your head, which sucks.

01:26:10.000 Yeah, I have one of those too.

01:26:11.000 Yeah, that's the only thing I don't like about it.

01:26:13.000 That thing right there, that's what I have. 1.00

01:26:15.000 The thing's the shit. 0.99

01:26:16.000 I gotta do that in my safe space. 1.00

01:26:20.000 No one's looking at me.

01:26:21.000 Yeah, it's definitely that.

01:26:22.000 But you pull on it, and it click, click, click, click, click, and it relaxes your neck, man.

01:26:27.000 What's the clicking?

01:26:27.000 Is that the spine?

01:26:28.000 It's like the little notches.

01:26:31.000 Each notch, it pulls it a certain amount.

01:26:34.000 Yeah.

01:26:34.000 Click, click, and you pull it more.

01:26:36.000 Click, click.

01:26:37.000 And then when you want, you just sit up, and you release all the tension.

01:26:40.000 I just had a terrible thought in my head with that. 0.94

01:26:42.000 Jerking off? 0.96

01:26:42.000 No. 0.96

01:26:43.000 No.

01:26:44.000 Because that's what people die from.

01:26:45.000 That's all David Carradine from Kung Fu.

01:26:47.000 He died strangling himself while he was beaten off.

01:26:50.000 What?

01:26:50.000 Allegedly.

01:26:52.000 I heard he might have got killed by the mob.

01:26:54.000 Yeah, he died of what they call auto-erotic asphyxiation.

01:27:00.000 Do you remember the band NXS? Yeah, I was thinking of the car, NSX. NXS, the lead singer, same thing.

01:27:09.000 He died from auto-erotic asphyxiation.

01:27:13.000 There's dudes who try to choke themselves while they beat off.

01:27:15.000 They hang. 1.00

01:27:19.000 That's some next level shit. 1.00

01:27:21.000 It is next level shit. 1.00

01:27:22.000 My favorite one was a preacher. 1.00

01:27:25.000 They caught this preacher wearing a wetsuit. 1.00

01:27:27.000 He had a dildo up his ass and he was choking himself and he blacked out while he was beating off and died. 1.00

01:27:33.000 Ray Donovan? 1.00

01:27:35.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:27:36.000 They might have set him up too.

01:27:38.000 Who knows?

01:27:39.000 He might have been banging some kids and that's how they got back at him.

01:27:42.000 Yeah.

01:27:43.000 Nah, I've never heard of that.

01:27:45.000 That's a different way of...

01:27:47.000 Auto-erotic explicitation.

01:27:48.000 That's a different kind of...

01:27:50.000 What's it called?

01:27:51.000 SMS? Yeah, SMS is sadomasochistic, right?

01:27:55.000 That's sadomasochism and bonding. 1.00

01:27:58.000 SM, whatever the fuck it is. 1.00

01:28:00.000 Bondage. 0.99

01:28:01.000 Next level, man.

01:28:01.000 I can never...

01:28:02.000 How do you get off on that?

01:28:03.000 They say that something about being choked, that it accentuates the orgasm.

01:28:09.000 So, well, I mean, come on.

01:28:11.000 Hey, babe.

01:28:14.000 Babe.

01:28:19.000 Give you that look.

01:28:20.000 You know what I want. 0.97

01:28:21.000 Time to strangle. 0.97

01:28:22.000 Time to get that lasso. 0.99

01:28:25.000 Stop roping cows and wrapping around your neck.

01:28:27.000 We'll give you a full report when I get back.

01:28:30.000 What is this Alabama minister who died in June of accidental mechanical asphyxia was found hog-tied, wearing two complete wetsuits, including a face mask, diving gloves, and slippers, rubberized underwear, and a head mask, according to the autopsy report.

01:28:46.000 51-year-old pastor of Montgomery's.

01:28:50.000 His death was not caused by foul play.

01:28:53.000 If that is not foul play, how do you play?

01:28:56.000 And can I read your rule book? 1.00

01:28:58.000 Because that shit seems foul. 1.00

01:29:00.000 Yeah, he had a dildo up his ass, right? 1.00

01:29:03.000 Didn't he? 1.00

01:29:03.000 It says his bum up his bum. 1.00

01:29:05.000 Condom-covered dildo. 1.00

01:29:06.000 Hey, you don't want to get pregnant. 1.00

01:29:09.000 Condom-covered dildo up his ass while he was beaten up. 1.00

01:29:13.000 I mean, that's from trying to hold back all your sin, pretending that you don't have any sin because you're a pastor, and it just bubbles up on the surface. 0.99

01:29:22.000 He would have had the special order that it's illegal to sell those in Alabama.

01:29:26.000 Illegal to serve what?

01:29:28.000 Dildos?

01:29:29.000 Oh, Alabama.

01:29:29.000 Really?

01:29:31.000 Stop hating on dildos. 1.00

01:29:32.000 How's it illegal to have a dildo in Alabama?

01:29:35.000 I just heard too, I think Mississippi is the only state you're allowed to drink while you're driving, as long as you don't cross over the.08. 0.98

01:29:41.000 That is goddamn hilarious. 0.95

01:29:43.000 Wow. 0.99

01:29:44.000 Beer in your front seat.

01:29:45.000 Wow, Mississippi. 1.00

01:29:47.000 Mississippi also has the fucking Confederate flag in its state flag. 1.00

01:29:52.000 It's a part of the state flag. 1.00

01:29:52.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:29:54.000 It's like, yikes.

01:29:55.000 There's wild laws down there.

01:29:56.000 The wild, wild west.

01:29:58.000 The wild, wild south.

01:29:59.000 I don't think...

01:30:00.000 Have I ever been to Mississippi?

01:30:02.000 I haven't.

01:30:03.000 I don't know if I've ever been.

01:30:05.000 I haven't even been to New Orleans.

01:30:07.000 I still want to go there.

01:30:08.000 New Orleans is wild.

01:30:09.000 I hear.

01:30:10.000 It's fun.

01:30:10.000 Nothing but good things.

01:30:11.000 Great people, man.

01:30:12.000 I can't wait.

01:30:13.000 Nice, friendly people, and the food is outstanding.

01:30:16.000 Yeah.

01:30:16.000 I got this idea that I've been trying to do for years now, and I haven't been able to make this happen because of financial situations, the whole thing with my mom and shit like that, trying to get the house for her and whatnot.

01:30:28.000 But I wanted to do a cross-country tour and hit every state, hit every capital, and document the entire fucking thing. 0.95

01:30:36.000 Like a one, two-month escapade or some shit. 0.99

01:30:40.000 Maybe after the next fight. 0.98

01:30:41.000 I would like to.

01:30:42.000 But then I'm also thinking, I would at some point like to maybe have kids or something.

01:30:47.000 But then I'm like, if I have a kid and I can't leave her while she's pregnant, unless she just comes along... 1.00

01:30:53.000 But then she works and she's in school. 0.98

01:30:55.000 I'm like, damn, nothing ever works out. 0.98

01:30:57.000 Unless I just go. 0.98

01:30:59.000 And then you make it work out.

01:31:00.000 I feel bad if I were to just leave for that long.

01:31:03.000 You gotta win the title.

01:31:05.000 Then I'm like, yo, I'm out.

01:31:06.000 Gotta get that big scratch.

01:31:08.000 I'm out. 0.99

01:31:09.000 Like, I'm out, bitches! 1.00

01:31:10.000 What would you do if you won the title? 0.99

01:31:11.000 Would you vacate and just say enough?

01:31:14.000 Do you have an idea of when you want to stop fighting?

01:31:16.000 You know what?

01:31:17.000 It's very interesting that you asked me that.

01:31:19.000 It's always been...

01:31:20.000 You can ask the guys at the gym, too.

01:31:21.000 It's always been 32. 32. So we're close.

01:31:24.000 I'm close.

01:31:26.000 Whether or not I'm going to feel the same when I'm 32, being I'm about to be 30 and I'm realizing how close that is.

01:31:31.000 If I realize my dream and I got the real estate thing, I got a college degree in physical education.

01:31:37.000 I'm trying out for the FDNY.

01:31:38.000 I'm still unsure how that's going to work out.

01:31:42.000 It's just the flexibility of the schedule and actually being able to have healthcare benefits for myself and my family, whoever that is.

01:31:49.000 Did you talk to Stipe?

01:31:51.000 No, but I have Firefighter friends back home.

01:31:54.000 Actually, I think I have one time, and he told me he loved it.

01:31:57.000 Eddie Wineland too, right?

01:31:59.000 Yeah, Eddie Wineland as well.

01:32:00.000 Yeah, Firefighter.

01:32:01.000 I think I was talking to him about that briefly in Chicago.

01:32:03.000 Shout out to the Mustache Mafia.

01:32:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:05.000 He gave me one of those things. 0.98

01:32:07.000 Yeah, I didn't even know he was fighting on the car until I seen him pop up and I'm like, holy shit. 0.99

01:32:11.000 And then, yeah, he had a crazy ass fight that car too. 1.00

01:32:13.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:32:13.000 That new guy. 1.00

01:32:14.000 Crazy, yeah. 0.93

01:32:15.000 That was wild.

01:32:16.000 It was a wild fight, man.

01:32:17.000 Eddie Wineland's a tank.

01:32:19.000 He's one of the more unusual fighters.

01:32:20.000 When you watch him move, like he's one of those guys where you could see him in a silhouette, you go, oh, that's Eddie Wineland.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:27.000 For sure.

01:32:28.000 His stance and everything. 0.85

01:32:28.000 Yeah, crazy, crazy like... 0.85

01:32:31.000 Weird style to try to sort out.

01:32:33.000 Like, he's so unusual in his movement.

01:32:36.000 First WEC champion, right?

01:32:37.000 Yes, yes.

01:32:38.000 Way back in the day.

01:32:39.000 I remember these things.

01:32:40.000 That's right.

01:32:41.000 That's back when it was in Northern California, right?

01:32:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:44.000 Where was that?

01:32:45.000 The Little Cage.

01:32:46.000 Yeah, it was like... 0.99

01:32:47.000 Where the fuck was the original... 0.99

01:32:50.000 Original WEC? It was like... 0.99

01:32:53.000 I want to say Lodi, but...

01:32:54.000 Well, I don't think it was Lodi, but it was like...

01:32:56.000 Lemoore, California, something like that.

01:33:00.000 It's one of those weird spots.

01:33:01.000 Yeah.

01:33:01.000 I never looked at the location.

01:33:03.000 Like, now I start to pay attention to things like that now.

01:33:05.000 Like, more, like, where I fall, where the fight's gonna be held, and things like that.

01:33:09.000 Because I always end up going to the events from time to time.

01:33:11.000 It is Lamar?

01:33:13.000 WEC 20, which 21 was in Lamar, California.

01:33:15.000 Yeah.

01:33:16.000 That's where they used to have him out there.

01:33:17.000 That's when Reed was running it.

01:33:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:33:18.000 Shout out to Reed Harris.

01:33:19.000 Yeah.

01:33:20.000 I love that dude.

01:33:21.000 He's a good dude.

01:33:21.000 He's a great dude.

01:33:22.000 Yeah.

01:33:23.000 Yeah, I mean, those pioneers of the game, man, those guys who, you know, like Bud Brutzman, used to run King of the Cage, and these people that run these little small organizations where everything started.

01:33:34.000 Yeah.

01:33:35.000 When we used to do it in California, when they first started doing MMA shows in California, they had to do them on Native American reservations. 0.94

01:33:45.000 Yeah.

01:33:46.000 Because you couldn't have it anywhere.

01:33:47.000 It wasn't sanctioned in California.

01:33:48.000 Yeah, like New York back then.

01:33:50.000 So when we would go to see King of the Cage, when Eddie Bravo used to work for King of the Cage, and I would go with him out to these events, we would have to go to the middle of nowhere, man.

01:33:58.000 These weird-ass casinos.

01:34:00.000 That's the only place where you could go to see the fights. 0.71

01:34:03.000 Yeah, I fought on a reservation a couple times in New York because we couldn't fight in New York.

01:34:07.000 I still came to fight in New York because I got some medical thing.

01:34:12.000 They're not sure if I was born with it or not, but I didn't even know about it until I had my UFC debut in Vegas, UFC 170. And...

01:34:21.000 Yeah, I had to get a CAT scan.

01:34:22.000 I got the CAT scan, and I had, like, two spots on my brain.

01:34:24.000 So they just kept monitoring it, and I had to go see a neurologist and all that, and they just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to, like, bleeding out, and I wasn't going to, like, just die in the octagon randomly.

01:34:33.000 And, you know, so they were looking out for me, but I've been able to fight everywhere except for New York, and I'm just hoping that these guys do the right thing so I can at least fight one time before my career is all said and done in my home state.

01:34:46.000 I think that would be...

01:34:48.000 Something that I've dreamed of for a very long time.

01:34:51.000 I never knew this would have happened until my debut and I just threw a wrench into everything.

01:34:55.000 Do the neurologists say it's okay?

01:34:58.000 Yeah.

01:34:58.000 I'm clear to fight.

01:34:59.000 It's just the wording in the New York body's sanctioning rule or whatever.

01:35:04.000 I'm like, so what do you guys have to do to change it?

01:35:06.000 I think they said just a doctor has to go like rewrite it or some shit like that.

01:35:11.000 I'm like, but why is this taking so long?

01:35:12.000 It's been years now.

01:35:13.000 I've been like just every time I see Kim.

01:35:15.000 Hey, Kim. 0.90

01:35:16.000 Hey, is the doctor going to go like change the rule or something so I can fight in New York?

01:35:19.000 And nothing.

01:35:21.000 You know, I don't know.

01:35:22.000 They're not.

01:35:22.000 I guess they're not moving the needle for me.

01:35:24.000 So that sucks.

01:35:25.000 I guess that in New York, they probably don't want to take any chances because it's so recent that they even got it approved. 0.96

01:35:30.000 Right.

01:35:32.000 It's only been a couple years, right?

01:35:33.000 How many years?

01:35:34.000 Three now?

01:35:36.000 2016. 2016. I was there for the bill when they signed it.

01:35:39.000 Yeah.

01:35:39.000 That was a fun time.

01:35:40.000 Those fucking Madison Square Garden cards are bananas. 1.00

01:35:43.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:35:44.000 They always put bananas cards on an MSG. Yeah, I was there live for the Conor McGregor, Eddie Alvarez, and just the weigh-ins were electrifying.

01:35:53.000 I was like, yo, you get chills.

01:35:55.000 There's something about that building.

01:35:57.000 Yeah.

01:35:57.000 I mean, you think about all the amazing boxing fights that happened in that building.

01:36:01.000 I mean, that is the most famous arena in all of combat sports. 0.97

01:36:05.000 Madison fucking Square Garden. 0.93

01:36:07.000 I remember the first time I walked in there for the UFC, I got chills. 0.85

01:36:10.000 I was like, I can't believe we're here.

01:36:12.000 We're here.

01:36:13.000 I get chills.

01:36:14.000 I'm getting goosebumps right now just thinking about it.

01:36:16.000 Like, you walk into that place, it has a special feeling, man.

01:36:19.000 Yeah.

01:36:20.000 And I just hope to God...

01:36:22.000 I can get to feel that one day.

01:36:23.000 At least one day.

01:36:24.000 Come on, New York.

01:36:26.000 Come on! 0.61

01:36:28.000 So right now you're dealing with a bit of a thumb injury, right?

01:36:31.000 Yeah.

01:36:32.000 You have this cast that you have on your arm right now.

01:36:35.000 This is to isolate your ligament?

01:36:37.000 Yeah.

01:36:37.000 So in the fight, I don't know at what point where one of the punches I threw, I guess I landed with the thumb.

01:36:42.000 Because the UFC gloves, they don't protect the thumb.

01:36:44.000 There's no padding on the thumb.

01:36:46.000 I don't know if I like it or don't like it, but whatever.

01:36:48.000 I've been fighting like that with these guys for so long now at this point, I don't really even notice it.

01:36:52.000 This is the first time I really, really banged up my hand.

01:36:54.000 But it's like the ligament on the radial and the ulnar side that hold the thumb to keep it from turning out.

01:37:00.000 My thumb on this side, they compared it, and he saw how lax it was on this side.

01:37:05.000 He was like, dude, does this hurt?

01:37:06.000 I was like, nah, that's just normal.

01:37:07.000 That's my thumb.

01:37:08.000 So they think...

01:37:10.000 My thumb being able to do that on the other side, maybe it's just my anatomy.

01:37:13.000 Do it again?

01:37:16.000 Yeah, it's kind of freaky.

01:37:18.000 Yeah, but it locks up.

01:37:19.000 Oh my god.

01:37:20.000 Yeah, but it doesn't hurt at all.

01:37:21.000 You have like 15 degrees more movement than mine does.

01:37:24.000 But I'm double jointed in my thumbs, so I don't know if that's what it is.

01:37:27.000 Yeah, that looks like it hurts.

01:37:28.000 Yeah.

01:37:29.000 I got tap right here.

01:37:30.000 Did you see Craig Jones and Anthony Rumble Johnson had a grappling match?

01:37:34.000 I saw, but I didn't get to catch the match.

01:37:36.000 Go to Craig Jones' Instagram.

01:37:38.000 He wrapped him up quick. 0.99

01:37:39.000 Oh, damn. 1.00

01:37:40.000 Rumble took him down. 1.00

01:37:41.000 Craig Jones got a hold of that leg.

01:37:42.000 It's gorgeous.

01:37:43.000 It's a beautiful transition.

01:37:44.000 If you're a fan of leg locks, Craig Jones, who's...

01:37:48.000 Rumble Johnson is obviously a gigantic man.

01:37:51.000 He's in like He's like 260 now, and Craig Jones is probably only about 210. But when they rolled...

01:37:57.000 But there's a video of it on Craig's Instagram, if you find it.

01:38:01.000 Yeah, it's right.

01:38:04.000 That's probably it.

01:38:06.000 Try it right there.

01:38:07.000 Versus Goliath.

01:38:08.000 Yeah, Craig Jones versus Goliath.

01:38:09.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:38:10.000 Is this it?

01:38:11.000 Let me see.

01:38:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:38:13.000 It's a repost he put out.

01:38:14.000 Here's the info here.

01:38:15.000 Okay, make it like a little larger.

01:38:17.000 Presented by Chael Sonnen, Submission Underground.

01:38:19.000 This seems like...

01:38:21.000 Just the advertisement for it though.

01:38:24.000 Or, yeah, you're right.

01:38:24.000 Probably just the highlight.

01:38:25.000 No, it is that.

01:38:25.000 Is it just the advertisement?

01:38:27.000 I sent it to him.

01:38:29.000 I sent him a congratulations and I said, well, maybe it's not on his.

01:38:34.000 Let me find out real quick.

01:38:34.000 Maybe it's on his.

01:38:36.000 Dude, imagine about to fight someone that big and the big guy's like, I'm going to fuck you up. 1.00

01:38:41.000 And then the other guy's just like, I'm going to break your fucking ankles. 1.00

01:38:43.000 It's like, damn, that's a... 1.00

01:38:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:38:46.000 And then he goes out there and he actually does it, you know?

01:38:50.000 No, it says...

01:38:51.000 Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.

01:38:52.000 Hold on a second.

01:38:54.000 Hang on a second.

01:38:54.000 Yeah.

01:38:56.000 All right, Jamie.

01:39:01.000 I sent it to you.

01:39:05.000 Did you get it on the Instagram?

01:39:07.000 It's actually from Greg Jones BJJ from his Instagram.

01:39:12.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 I don't know.

01:39:14.000 It wasn't showing.

01:39:15.000 Yeah, it wasn't showing up.

01:39:18.000 Here it is.

01:39:20.000 So watch this.

01:39:21.000 So Rumble's on top, and Craig elevates with that right leg, passes him, boom, locks a hold, gets the heel hooked, tap.

01:39:29.000 But he didn't fight the hands.

01:39:32.000 Not only did he not fight the hands, he didn't even wrap a hold of the heel.

01:39:35.000 Yeah.

01:39:36.000 They were still in transition.

01:39:37.000 He had the legs laced up, he had inside control.

01:39:40.000 See this?

01:39:40.000 Watch.

01:39:41.000 He gets it, flips, rolls it, he's got the leg, and Rumble's like, I get it. 1.00

01:39:46.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:39:47.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:39:48.000 I'm walking out of here. 1.00

01:39:49.000 Exactly.

01:39:49.000 It's like, all right, well, now I know.

01:39:51.000 I walked in here and I'm walking out.

01:39:53.000 That's the more amazing thing about leg locks is smaller people can get away with things from the bottom that it's very difficult to get away with because you're using both of your legs to control a person's leg.

01:40:06.000 It's like you have so much strength in leg locks and so much control with those two legs around one leg. 0.94

01:40:12.000 I mean, you're obviously from the Henzo team, which is, that is where it all started, with John Donaher, with Dean Lister, so to Donaher, and Donaher refined that system, and Eddie Cummings, and all these fucking animals that are coming out of there now.

01:40:28.000 There's so many leg lock specialists out of that part of the world.

01:40:31.000 Like, that one gym, that Henzo Gracie gym...

01:40:34.000 Is responsible for a gigantic evolution in leg locking.

01:40:39.000 Yeah, those guys are phenomenal to work with.

01:40:40.000 Whenever I can get down there to get some training, it's always fun.

01:40:42.000 It's always a battle.

01:40:43.000 That Nicky Ryan kid, super young still.

01:40:45.000 Gordon Ryan.

01:40:46.000 Gary Tonin.

01:40:47.000 Gary Tonin.

01:40:48.000 Leg lock machines.

01:40:50.000 Damien, Jason Rowe, Nick Ronan. 0.96

01:40:53.000 Those guys are animals. 0.98

01:40:55.000 Scary. 0.67

01:40:56.000 Scary.

01:40:57.000 Ripping knees apart.

01:40:58.000 But you know what they say.

01:41:00.000 Why would you ignore 50% of the human body?

01:41:03.000 I was like, why?

01:41:04.000 Why would you?

01:41:05.000 Why would you ignore 50% of the human body?

01:41:08.000 He's such a weird guy to talk to.

01:41:10.000 He's funny, Professor Xavier.

01:41:14.000 Donner is too smart.

01:41:15.000 He makes me nervous. 1.00

01:41:16.000 He makes me feel like, ah, shit. 1.00

01:41:18.000 Don't say nothing dumb. 1.00

01:41:19.000 Don't say nothing dumb. 0.99

01:41:20.000 What do you do from here? 0.99

01:41:21.000 I'm like, what do you do?

01:41:22.000 Tell me.

01:41:23.000 Tell me why you're making me nervous, man.

01:41:25.000 I almost say nothing wrong.

01:41:28.000 He was making fun of, oh, you have a 10th planet black belt.

01:41:30.000 Come on, man.

01:41:32.000 Just tell me what to do.

01:41:35.000 Don't mock me.

01:41:36.000 I want to know. 0.99

01:41:38.000 John, this is a judge-free zone, damn it. 0.99

01:41:38.000 I want to learn. 0.99

01:41:41.000 But he's so smart in his analysis of positions.

01:41:44.000 Instead of just rolling and getting better and drilling and comparing, he's done just like a systematic analysis of various positions.

01:41:52.000 What you need to do, what you need to master, where you're going from here.

01:41:56.000 And from what I understand from everybody, Eddie Cummings is a big part of that as well.

01:41:59.000 Oh, I've left him out.

01:42:00.000 Yeah, Eddie Cummings is a master.

01:42:02.000 He's a master.

01:42:03.000 Just so good at leg locks.

01:42:04.000 I've watched that guy compete multiple times online.

01:42:08.000 His transitions are so smooth.

01:42:11.000 It's amazing.

01:42:12.000 I think I saw him compete at Eddie Bravo's Invitational, too, at EBI. I'm pretty sure I was there for him.

01:42:20.000 That rule set is an interesting rule set.

01:42:23.000 I think that's the best rule set.

01:42:25.000 If you get a stalemate at the end of the initial time period, then from there you have a chance to go at it for a certain amount of time until someone gets tapped.

01:42:34.000 And you start out in different positions.

01:42:36.000 You start out either with back control or what you call spider web.

01:42:41.000 You're on side control, your legs are across the face, and you have the arm trapped.

01:42:45.000 Yeah.

01:42:46.000 But you don't have an arm bar fully extended, and you're like, ready, go.

01:42:49.000 And you start from there, and then they calculate how long it takes to escape versus whether or not somebody tapped.

01:42:49.000 Yeah.

01:42:55.000 So if you tap somebody, they have a chance to tap you, and they have a chance to get back in that same position.

01:43:00.000 But if you tap them quicker than they tap you, then you win.

01:43:02.000 Yeah.

01:43:03.000 It's great.

01:43:04.000 The only position of that that I just really didn't like that much was the back control position.

01:43:10.000 Because you see a lot of the times the guys will escape and let the guy end up in mount and then that would be considered an escape.

01:43:16.000 But was that really an escape?

01:43:18.000 If you're in a fist fight, do you really want to be there in that position, mounted? 1.00

01:43:23.000 You didn't escape shit. 1.00

01:43:25.000 You're going to get fucked up. 1.00

01:43:26.000 It's a good point, right? 0.99

01:43:27.000 You should have to escape escape.

01:43:29.000 Yeah.

01:43:29.000 You should have to get out of mount.

01:43:31.000 But that's what I'm saying.

01:43:32.000 It's like when you think about it, the concept of like, are we training guys to sap mount?

01:43:36.000 Right.

01:43:37.000 Is that what happens?

01:43:38.000 So I'm not 100% sure on this Gio Martinez.

01:43:43.000 Gio, who's a beast, he's one of Eddie's black belts, actually caught Cummings in an arm bar. 0.99

01:43:48.000 He's one of the few guys that I've ever seen tap Eddie.

01:43:50.000 Yeah.

01:43:51.000 And this was from Spiderweb.

01:43:52.000 But you notice when he goes to Spiderweb, he controls that right leg.

01:43:56.000 Yep.

01:43:56.000 Oh, I didn't even notice that.

01:43:57.000 It's very, very important.

01:44:00.000 For the bridging.

01:44:01.000 Yeah.

01:44:01.000 It's also, you could keep control of one part of the body so there's no movement side to side, right?

01:44:07.000 Yes.

01:44:07.000 He's not moving around towards the head.

01:44:09.000 He's stuck in that spot.

01:44:11.000 So whether or not he extends or doesn't extend, whether or not he catches the arm there, I mean, you could still defend.

01:44:16.000 It's possible.

01:44:17.000 But it cuts out a lot of the pathways.

01:44:19.000 He creates a lot of control.

01:44:21.000 Yeah.

01:44:22.000 There's no rocking.

01:44:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:44:24.000 Even here.

01:44:25.000 He's still got that leg.

01:44:26.000 He's still got that leg.

01:44:28.000 And you're always in a bad spot with a guy like Gio, who's a...

01:44:31.000 He's an armbar...

01:44:32.000 Well, he's just a jiu-jitsu master, but...

01:44:34.000 What weight is this?

01:44:35.000 45?

01:44:36.000 I think it's 45, I believe.

01:44:39.000 And Gio, like his brother Richie, they started out as breakdancers. 1.00

01:44:44.000 These guys are strong as fuck. 0.99

01:44:46.000 They have crazy physical dexterity. 1.00

01:44:48.000 They can do all kinds of nutty shit with their bodies. 1.00

01:44:51.000 Now he's got the near side leg. 0.99

01:44:52.000 Now he's going back to the far.

01:44:53.000 Yeah.

01:44:54.000 And this is a bad fight to showcase Eddie Cummings.

01:44:57.000 He wound up getting caught.

01:44:58.000 But he got caught here because they started out from spiderweb.

01:45:01.000 Yeah.

01:45:02.000 You know, he's not starting out from a neutral position.

01:45:06.000 He's starting out from a disadvantage, and this is one of the rare times.

01:45:10.000 So he's got the arm in that spiderweb, and now he's got like a figure four.

01:45:13.000 Well, he had the figure four.

01:45:14.000 It's like a little loose now, but he had...

01:45:16.000 Well, yeah, it's really loose.

01:45:17.000 It's called an arm crush.

01:45:18.000 So he was going for like a biceps...

01:45:20.000 Okay, and then...

01:45:22.000 Really, it almost snaps your forearm. 0.98

01:45:24.000 No, it sucks. 0.94

01:45:25.000 Tremendous, tremendous pressure on the forearm. 0.99

01:45:27.000 It's awful.

01:45:28.000 Especially when you go big guys.

01:45:29.000 Yeah, but it could be a bicep slicer as well.

01:45:32.000 Those positions are terrible.

01:45:34.000 Just the crushing of the limb like that, it's a terrible feeling.

01:45:38.000 But he eventually catches him here.

01:45:39.000 Dude, your arm is so shot after getting out of that.

01:45:42.000 I know.

01:45:43.000 You don't want it.

01:45:44.000 It's so compressed.

01:45:46.000 It's a horrible feeling, too.

01:45:47.000 It's like...

01:45:49.000 Forearms and your leg and the leg, the back of the calf is crushing it and the other leg is squeezing down like a triangle.

01:45:57.000 It's awful.

01:45:58.000 Jiu-jitsu is amazing, man.

01:46:00.000 It was amazing martial art.

01:46:02.000 I would probably forever do it to my late 40s, 50s.

01:46:08.000 As long as I'm still able-bodied and all that, you know?

01:46:10.000 If you find good training partners, you can do it.

01:46:13.000 The thing about the human body is you only got so many explosions in you.

01:46:18.000 So many times you could push a guy off you.

01:46:20.000 So many times you could dive forward.

01:46:22.000 So many times you could just thrust up from the bottom.

01:46:24.000 But if you do things with the right technique, like John Jock Machado, I think he's at least 50. John Jock still rolls and he doesn't have any injuries.

01:46:33.000 He still rolls.

01:46:34.000 But you never see John Jock just like...

01:46:36.000 He never goons out of anything.

01:46:38.000 You know how a guy can goon out of stuff?

01:46:42.000 I've gooned out of things before. 0.99

01:46:44.000 When someone catches you and you just fucking... 0.96

01:46:46.000 You just explode and you catch them when they're maybe resting a little bit and you goon out of it. 0.99

01:46:52.000 He never goons out.

01:46:54.000 Everything is smooth and technique.

01:46:56.000 It's all defense.

01:46:57.000 It's perfect.

01:46:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:59.000 It just flows.

01:47:00.000 It's not like, get off of me!

01:47:01.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 Well, that was what's interesting about watching Michael Chiesa and Diego Sanchez.

01:47:06.000 Like, he flowed.

01:47:08.000 It just flowed.

01:47:09.000 There was no, like, he didn't have to do anything crazy.

01:47:13.000 He was in control.

01:47:14.000 Like, from the moment he clinched him, got a hold of him, he's just moving constantly, chaining, you know, chaining control, submission attempts, control, submission attempts.

01:47:25.000 It was just beautiful.

01:47:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:27.000 I gotta rewatch that fight.

01:47:29.000 I was at a wedding when I was watching those fights.

01:47:31.000 Oh, no.

01:47:32.000 So, I was like partially with my dancing shoes because I didn't want to be like disrespectful.

01:47:35.000 So, we got the fights up and we're like hovering over the table. 0.99

01:47:38.000 Oh, speaking of which, shit. 1.00

01:47:40.000 I told Eve Edwards we would watch that shit while it's on the background. 1.00

01:47:43.000 Turn the TV on and put it on ESPN2. If it's on ESPN2 or is it on... 0.99

01:47:43.000 Oh. 0.99

01:47:51.000 Eventually it goes to ESPN+. Let's see if it's on ESPN2 right now.

01:47:55.000 5 o'clock probably is. 1.00

01:47:58.000 He said, okay, word to your mother and other motherfuckers. 1.00

01:48:03.000 Doug Jitsu! 1.00

01:48:04.000 I totally would watch it.

01:48:05.000 I love that dude.

01:48:06.000 I'm glad he's making his way into transitioning into commentary too.

01:48:11.000 He's excellent.

01:48:12.000 Yeah, really good.

01:48:13.000 He's such a technical fighter.

01:48:16.000 That, uh, he's, uh, really good at transitioning into, uh, what's happening with the television?

01:48:22.000 Oh, by the way, just, I forgot we didn't, I never finished my, um...

01:48:25.000 Bed story.

01:48:26.000 Yeah, well, not even the bed.

01:48:27.000 Like, so, let's go back real quick and just to finish it, because people are probably going to ask me, like, whatever happened with your mom and whatever.

01:48:34.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:48:34.000 So, so...

01:48:36.000 So, after the Cody Stamen fight, I needed to win that fight.

01:48:39.000 Otherwise, I would have been in a really bad spot because of all the renovations I did to my house.

01:48:44.000 Because my house smelled like cigarettes. 1.00

01:48:45.000 It was really fucked up. 0.99

01:48:47.000 But I got in a short sale in a really nice neighborhood. 0.99

01:48:49.000 And Masapico, I'm in the hood.

01:48:52.000 The hood of Masapico now.

01:48:53.000 It's not the hood.

01:48:55.000 It's really nice.

01:48:56.000 It's really nice over there.

01:48:57.000 We have a lawn.

01:49:00.000 Yeah, so that's nice. 0.99

01:49:01.000 You get a short sale, like some other ones folly and fuck up. 0.98

01:49:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:49:06.000 You can sneak in and take a nice house in a nice neighborhood.

01:49:08.000 It's almost disrespectful in a way.

01:49:10.000 A little bit.

01:49:10.000 They were...

01:49:11.000 They were kind of happy to get rid of it, to be honest.

01:49:13.000 I think they were struggling with the payments or whatnot.

01:49:15.000 So it was cool.

01:49:16.000 But I love my neighborhood.

01:49:17.000 I don't have real neighbors.

01:49:19.000 I have side yards, so I'm not in anyone's way.

01:49:22.000 But to make ends meet, I Airbnb my house.

01:49:25.000 So I sleep in a basement.

01:49:27.000 So that's why I had to pull out cats because I didn't want to make it all packed up.

01:49:31.000 You know, like the little cricket guys that be jumping around all over the place. 0.98

01:49:34.000 I didn't want a ton of shit for them to hide and start making little cricket babies. 1.00

01:49:41.000 So I just got the pullout couch. 0.99

01:49:43.000 This is a lot easier to clean.

01:49:44.000 Got a rug, whatever. 0.99

01:49:45.000 Crickets in your house are so fucking annoying if you can't find them. 0.99

01:49:49.000 They're the worst. 1.00

01:49:50.000 Bitch, I will find you. 1.00

01:49:50.000 They are the fucking worst. 1.00

01:49:52.000 And I will kill you. 1.00

01:49:54.000 But I don't kill crickets most of the time. 1.00

01:49:56.000 Most of the time I grab them and I throw them outside.

01:49:58.000 I don't know why.

01:49:59.000 You grab them with your hands?

01:49:59.000 I'm prejudiced against certain bugs.

01:50:01.000 If I find a spider, it's dead. 0.99

01:50:03.000 You're dead. 1.00

01:50:04.000 You're dead. 1.00

01:50:05.000 But if I find a cricket, I'm like, aw, little fella. 0.98

01:50:07.000 Come on, let me get you. 0.99

01:50:08.000 They don't bite? 0.99

01:50:09.000 I heard they bite your hands. 0.88

01:50:12.000 Cricket ain't hurting me. 1.00

01:50:13.000 It's a fucking cricket. 1.00

01:50:14.000 Just trust me, bro. 1.00

01:50:15.000 I'm just trying to get you outside.

01:50:16.000 I'm trying not to kill you.

01:50:18.000 Yes.

01:50:18.000 I get the little traps, the sticky traps, and I feel so bad because they just wither away.

01:50:22.000 And I'm like, it's such a fucked up way to go. 0.93

01:50:25.000 But I'm like, you came into my hood. 0.99

01:50:26.000 You came into my territory.

01:50:27.000 This is my land.

01:50:28.000 That's right.

01:50:30.000 Snakes in my yard, dead.

01:50:31.000 All of them.

01:50:32.000 You have snakes.

01:50:33.000 Rattlesnakes.

01:50:33.000 Yep.

01:50:34.000 Rattlesnakes.

01:50:35.000 Dead.

01:50:36.000 All of them.

01:50:36.000 Dead.

01:50:37.000 People say, you shouldn't kill any- Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:50:40.000 I have kids. 1.00

01:50:41.000 You have rattlesnakes in your yard?

01:50:43.000 Yeah.

01:50:43.000 Out here, man?

01:50:44.000 Yeah.

01:50:44.000 Out here in California?

01:50:45.000 For sure.

01:50:46.000 Rattlesnakes are everywhere.

01:50:47.000 I went to look at a house and- I stomped a rattlesnake to death in the front yard of the house, of this house that we were looking at.

01:50:56.000 Poisonous?

01:50:56.000 Yes!

01:50:57.000 There was a fucking rattlesnake sitting there in the front yard. 0.99

01:51:00.000 And I just saw it. 0.99

01:51:02.000 I said, okay, I'm just going to go.

01:51:04.000 This is what I would do if I lived here. 1.00

01:51:05.000 I'm going to stomp this motherfucker. 1.00

01:51:07.000 I knew I was in a position. 1.00

01:51:08.000 They're not that fast.

01:51:10.000 They're fast when they strike.

01:51:10.000 Oh, okay.

01:51:12.000 But if a rattlesnake is flattened out and it can't see you, it doesn't see you coming, I'll stomp that motherfucker. 1.00

01:51:20.000 I just crushed his head. 1.00

01:51:23.000 Dude! 0.99

01:51:24.000 Stomped him. 0.99

01:51:25.000 That's badass, because I would not fuck with that thing. 0.99

01:51:27.000 I wouldn't if it was like pulling back. 0.97

01:51:30.000 It was like...

01:51:32.000 But I saw where it was, and these people live in this house that they were selling. 0.99

01:51:36.000 And I was like, they don't want this fucking thing here. 0.99

01:51:38.000 No one wants a rattlesnake there. 1.00

01:51:39.000 In their fucking yard and shit. 1.00

01:51:41.000 Smashed his fucking head. 1.00

01:51:42.000 I would have been scared shitless, man. 1.00

01:51:44.000 I'm like, I'm calling the exterminator.

01:51:46.000 Well, I developed a real anger for them when they bit my dogs.

01:51:49.000 I've had three times I've had to take my dogs to the veterinarian with their face all swole up like a water balloon going out of the side of their head because they got bit. 0.97

01:51:58.000 Rattlesticks are fucked up too because what their venom does is it digests your tissue. 0.96

01:52:04.000 Something about their venom is how it helps them eat rabbits and things that they kill. 0.99

01:52:10.000 Because the venom, not only does it kill you, but it kind of breaks down your tissue.

01:52:14.000 Yeah.

01:52:15.000 So when people get bitten by it, it's real bad, man.

01:52:18.000 They have to get these horrible skin grafts, and they get necrosis, where all the tissue around where the bite was all dies off.

01:52:25.000 It's like sometimes you can see the bone.

01:52:27.000 I get a rot down to the bone.

01:52:29.000 Yeah!

01:52:30.000 That's why.

01:52:30.000 It's not for the weak heart.

01:52:31.000 Stop! 1.00

01:52:32.000 Stop! 1.00

01:52:32.000 It's all those motherfuckers out. 1.00

01:52:34.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:52:34.000 You got to go. 1.00

01:52:35.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:52:36.000 Stop! 1.00

01:52:37.000 Or you.

01:52:38.000 See, I'm not big into the wilderness, surprisingly, because my parents are from Jamaica, so we have that Caribbean upbringing. 0.66

01:52:46.000 We weren't raised in a traditional American home, like the lifestyle, so we have different rules and everything, and we never really experienced that type of stuff in Jamaica and shit like that. 1.00

01:52:56.000 What's going on, Jim?

01:52:58.000 Well, one, I can't figure out why the DirecTV is not coming through the TV, but two, it doesn't even start for another 25 minutes.

01:53:03.000 Oh, okay.

01:53:04.000 It starts at 5.30.

01:53:05.000 All right.

01:53:06.000 We'll check it out in five minutes, or 25 minutes.

01:53:08.000 Does it start on ESPN Plus in 25 minutes?

01:53:10.000 I was looking for ESPN Plus.

01:53:12.000 It's not on there.

01:53:13.000 It says ESPN 2 at 5.30.

01:53:15.000 Oh, okay.

01:53:16.000 All right.

01:53:16.000 I'm looking.

01:53:18.000 Must be the previews, though, or the prelims.

01:53:20.000 Maybe there's prelims first?

01:53:21.000 That's what I would think, but it's not...

01:53:23.000 Oh, here we go.

01:53:24.000 Well, I like that the PFL's doing what they're doing.

01:53:26.000 Just go up to the machine and see if you get the remote control.

01:53:30.000 ESPN Plus won't work on that TV. I'd have to get it through my laptop.

01:53:32.000 It will be at ESPN Plus at 5.30?

01:53:35.000 No.

01:53:36.000 ESPN 2 is at 5.30.

01:53:37.000 This is that problem we had even with him when we were trying to explain it.

01:53:40.000 So it should be on ESPN Plus right now.

01:53:43.000 I'm trying to get it on there.

01:53:44.000 And then ESPN 2 would be at 5.30.

01:53:46.000 Right, which would be on the TV, but I can't even get...

01:53:48.000 I don't know why DirecTV is not working on TV. We'll figure it out.

01:53:51.000 We'll figure it out.

01:53:52.000 Eve Edwards, shout out. 1.00

01:53:53.000 I like the fact that they're doing that, though.

01:53:54.000 The PFL's giving away all that money.

01:53:56.000 I love it.

01:53:57.000 I love it.

01:53:57.000 Six or eight people each year?

01:54:00.000 Was it six or eight?

01:54:01.000 I think it was 66 on the show.

01:54:03.000 A million dollars if you win the season.

01:54:06.000 That's amazing.

01:54:07.000 I think that's more money than I've made in 13 UFC fights.

01:54:07.000 Probably more money.

01:54:10.000 That's crazy.

01:54:11.000 You thinking about jumping ship?

01:54:14.000 Nah.

01:54:15.000 You know what it is?

01:54:16.000 I would need to...

01:54:17.000 Before I would ever do that, I would want to win the belt.

01:54:20.000 And I think that's a very obtainable and realistic thing for me to be able to realize that dream before I would ever jump ship.

01:54:29.000 Because it's almost like what Mighty Mouse did.

01:54:31.000 He was okay with leaving because he was a UFC champ, super dominant.

01:54:34.000 He didn't really lose that Sayuda fight in my eyes. 1.00

01:54:37.000 I don't think he lost that fight.

01:54:38.000 I think at worst...

01:54:39.000 At best, it was a draw.

01:54:41.000 I don't think there was any real clear-cut loser, but I didn't think Sayudo won.

01:54:45.000 I didn't think Mighty Mouse lost.

01:54:46.000 But for him to go to another organization, and if he does win the belt, it's arguably like you really can't deny the guy is one of the GOATs, if not the GOAT. So that's the way I kind of look at it.

01:54:57.000 And I'd probably be retired anyway because 32 is close.

01:55:01.000 I think as now, you can't deny him anyway.

01:55:03.000 I mean, no matter what happens from here on out, Mighty Mouse, in my opinion, technically is the best ever.

01:55:09.000 The best ever technically.

01:55:10.000 The thing about him versus Jon Jones, in my eyes, is that Jon has faced stiffer competition.

01:55:15.000 I think Jon just fought more dangerous guys, and also Jon is completely undefeated.

01:55:15.000 Yeah.

01:55:21.000 He only has that one loss to Matt Hamill, which is a disqualification in a fight where he was totally dominant in, where I think it was a bad call anyway. 0.75

01:55:28.000 I thought Matt was fucking him up. 0.92

01:55:28.000 Yeah? 0.92

01:55:30.000 Matt Hammer?

01:55:31.000 What?

01:55:31.000 How dare you?

01:55:32.000 You confused the shit out of me. 1.00

01:55:34.000 I was like, do I have a tumor? 0.98

01:55:36.000 Is my memory completely shot? 1.00

01:55:38.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:55:39.000 No, no, no. 1.00

01:55:40.000 But then I look at it like this.

01:55:42.000 See, now that Mighty Mouse is removed and there's new life at the flyweight division, everything is super competitive now, right?

01:55:47.000 So it goes to show, maybe it speaks volume on just how good...

01:55:51.000 Mighty Mouse just really is compared to everybody else.

01:55:54.000 Maybe that's why the division just looked like that.

01:55:56.000 And people are like, oh, you're just little guys, not like fighting the big guys.

01:55:59.000 I get that, but it's like...

01:56:00.000 The same thing with Jon Jones, but now there's like closer competition.

01:56:04.000 Now you see Jon Jones going through decisions a lot more as opposed to finishing the older veterans, the pioneers who were the Shogun, who was the Rampage Jacksons, the...

01:56:15.000 Who else has he murdered?

01:56:18.000 Matty Ushank.

01:56:19.000 I mean, he wasn't a champ, but...

01:56:21.000 Vitor Belfort, like those guys, even though Vitor almost snapped that arm in half.

01:56:24.000 That was crazy. 0.99

01:56:25.000 Fucking insane. 1.00

01:56:25.000 I jumped out of my fucking couch. 1.00

01:56:26.000 Whoa! 1.00

01:56:27.000 Well, that showed you what an animal John is.

01:56:30.000 Yeah.

01:56:30.000 That he didn't tap.

01:56:31.000 He just let his arm get fucking jacked and then wound up tapping Vitor the next round. 0.99

01:56:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:56:37.000 John is...

01:56:37.000 He's not just talented.

01:56:40.000 His mind is just unstoppable.

01:56:43.000 He's just got incredible...

01:56:45.000 His ability to overcome adversity, his ability to get out of bad situations, his ability to press on.

01:56:51.000 We saw that in the Gustafson fight.

01:56:53.000 I mean, he wasn't in shape for that fight at all.

01:56:54.000 Yeah.

01:56:55.000 They said he was barely training.

01:56:56.000 Bro, I... I've partied with John.

01:56:59.000 Not like the hardcore party that he does, that he has done.

01:57:02.000 Let me say he has done.

01:57:03.000 I'm not sure if he still parties like that, but when he was partying, I would see him at the bar in Ithaca or he'll come out to Cortland College because Ithaca was right down the road.

01:57:13.000 This was like when he was kind of going back and forth between Jackson's and our gym when I was upstate at Bomb Squad, right before he like officially left.

01:57:20.000 And then he was just coming home and going back to Jackson's, coming home, going back to Jackson's.

01:57:24.000 And it would be like a couple weeks before his fight, and this guy would be out there, shots, and he'd be asking me if I want a drink.

01:57:31.000 I'm like, yo, dude, I'm fighting in like four weeks.

01:57:34.000 I can't do that.

01:57:35.000 I have a hard time cutting weight. 0.99

01:57:37.000 For him, I was like, dude, it's not hard for you to cut weight if you get fucked up like this? 0.97

01:57:42.000 I mean, I didn't ask him that, but I was like, I told him, I got a fight coming up. 0.98

01:57:46.000 I'm like, but I know you got a fight coming up, but clearly it does not fucking matter because you're Jon Jones. 0.58

01:57:49.000 You're just going out there tooling people anyway.

01:57:51.000 How funny was it what he said to Daniel Cormier?

01:57:54.000 I've beat you when I was on cocaine.

01:57:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:59.000 Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

01:58:00.000 This is a crazy thing to say to someone.

01:58:02.000 I beat you and I did cocaine.

01:58:05.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 He's laughing.

01:58:06.000 That says...

01:58:07.000 That says a lot, though, man.

01:58:09.000 It does say a lot. 1.00

01:58:09.000 And DC's a fucking animal, you know? 1.00

01:58:11.000 So it's like, is it just Jon Jones, DC, and then everybody else, you know? 0.99

01:58:15.000 He's that good, man. 1.00

01:58:17.000 But I'll tell you what, man, that Tiago Santos is a motherfucker. 1.00

01:58:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:21.000 He kicked the shit out of John's legs, put him in real danger, and, you know, I think John would have made a way easier fight if he decided to take him to the ground, but he never did. 0.97

01:58:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:58:30.000 See, and I talked about that fight on my podcast this morning.

01:58:33.000 I do it on Wednesdays.

01:58:34.000 Tell everybody what your podcast is, where they get it.

01:58:35.000 Oh, the Weekly Scraps?

01:58:37.000 You can get it on iTunes, Spotify, Google Play, TuneIn, and my website, aljaminestern.com.

01:58:42.000 Holla back, youngie.

01:58:42.000 Holla!

01:58:43.000 Woo-hoo! 1.00

01:58:45.000 So what'd you say?

01:58:46.000 See, the way I broke that fight down, I was like, John was always the guy, the aggressor, pushing forward, walking him down, cutting him off and pushing him back towards the cage.

01:58:56.000 And then Tiago looked like he was just kind of waiting and waiting to pounce, like he was looking for John to take a half step where he could time it while he was off balance and try to rush him and blitz him with those big bungalows he was throwing, as Rampage Jackson calls them.

01:59:10.000 So...

01:59:11.000 I didn't feel like he connected on anything significant besides the leg kick early in the first round where he kicked his leg out.

01:59:16.000 I was like, alright, this fight's gonna be interesting because he's attacking the legs early.

01:59:19.000 But then he started attacking the legs more, but I felt like some of it wasn't really like...

01:59:23.000 It didn't seem like it was really affecting John...

01:59:28.000 The way people, like, watching it live, I thought it was landing a lot more.

01:59:32.000 And then when I re-watched it, I was like, I don't know.

01:59:34.000 I have to really, like, I'm looking at it and I put it in slow-mo.

01:59:37.000 And I'm watching the fight and I'm like, well, that punch didn't connect.

01:59:39.000 That punch didn't connect.

01:59:41.000 And he did throw one head kick that John got his hand up at the very last second and was able to block it.

01:59:45.000 The one Dana White posted, like, a picture on Instagram.

01:59:49.000 We're saying how tough he was fighting on the torn ACL, the PCL. And the MCL. And the MCL and the meniscus.

01:59:54.000 His fucking knee's gone. 0.99

01:59:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:56.000 What was that? 1.00

01:59:57.000 The first or second round?

01:59:57.000 First round.

01:59:58.000 First round?

01:59:59.000 First round.

01:59:59.000 Might have been the second.

02:00:00.000 He threw a kick and we noticed his knee buckled.

02:00:02.000 Buckled.

02:00:03.000 Okay.

02:00:03.000 Yeah.

02:00:04.000 I think it was the first round.

02:00:06.000 Was it the first round?

02:00:06.000 And fractured shin.

02:00:08.000 Yeah.

02:00:08.000 Fractured shin too?

02:00:09.000 All right, fuck. 1.00

02:00:10.000 Oh, well that was one thing too when he buckled and he threw a kick. 1.00

02:00:13.000 And he was still throwing that motherfucker. 1.00

02:00:15.000 He was crazy. 1.00

02:00:16.000 Fractured tibia.

02:00:17.000 Tibia.

02:00:18.000 That's what it was.

02:00:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:19.000 That's hardcore.

02:00:20.000 That's the big one.

02:00:20.000 Yeah.

02:00:21.000 That's the big shin bone, not the smaller one, the fibula. 0.99

02:00:25.000 Yeah, all the CCs of blood I saw them drinking that shit out. 0.99

02:00:28.000 Oh my god! 1.00

02:00:29.000 They're pulling out a quart of milk out of his fucking knee. 1.00

02:00:33.000 And they've already got a bunch in that little bucket. 1.00

02:00:33.000 Look at it. 1.00

02:00:35.000 Yeah, Dr. Sanders did that, right? 1.00

02:00:37.000 Holy shit, man. 0.99

02:00:39.000 From the UFC, yeah. 1.00

02:00:40.000 I think it was him who did that operation.

02:00:42.000 Ah!

02:00:44.000 Ouch! 1.00

02:00:44.000 More. 1.00

02:00:45.000 Oh my god.

02:00:46.000 Yeah, that knee is mangled.

02:00:48.000 So he had to immediately go into surgery after that.

02:00:50.000 Yeah.

02:00:51.000 His knee was mangled. 1.00

02:00:52.000 Poor bastard. 1.00

02:00:54.000 What a tough guy. 1.00

02:00:55.000 Yeah.

02:00:56.000 I just felt like John was still controlling, dictating the waltz.

02:01:02.000 It looked like there was moments where it was like, oh!

02:01:04.000 But he didn't really hit them. 1.00

02:01:05.000 Well, he definitely kicked the shit out of his legs. 0.99

02:01:07.000 John had to be carried out. 0.98

02:01:09.000 In a wheelchair.

02:01:09.000 And he landed some shots to the head with punches, but John moved with them.

02:01:13.000 Yeah, like rolling a little bit.

02:01:15.000 Yeah, he rolled with them.

02:01:16.000 He kept his hands up.

02:01:17.000 He took...

02:01:17.000 Got caught, but he moved back.

02:01:19.000 He's so good at that.

02:01:20.000 He's amazing at it.

02:01:21.000 He's the best ever at controlling distance.

02:01:23.000 He does the finger range.

02:01:25.000 Yeah, pokey.

02:01:26.000 The pokey range.

02:01:27.000 Put your left foot in.

02:01:33.000 He's so good at that. 1.00

02:01:34.000 It's really insane how he does that shit. 1.00

02:01:36.000 I'm like, dude, no one's going to get past those long-ass fucking go-go gadget inspector arms. 1.00

02:01:42.000 You know what I mean? 0.97

02:01:42.000 Yeah, but it's dangerous when the eyes get in the midst. 0.97

02:01:45.000 Yeah.

02:01:45.000 Because it happened to a bunch of fighters.

02:01:48.000 He's claimed...

02:01:48.000 Oh, a bunch of guys.

02:01:49.000 You know how they have Ronda Rousey collecting arms on the shelf like they did those pitches?

02:01:53.000 John's got eyeballs from every single one of his fingers.

02:01:58.000 You know, the whole light heavyweight division is in a strange state right now.

02:02:02.000 Because it's like, you got John Jones, and then who else? 0.97

02:02:05.000 You know, you got Johnny Walker, who looked fantastic when he knocked out Misha Tsurkonov, but then he fell down and fucked himself up. 0.99

02:02:14.000 His shoulder's still fucked up, man. 0.93

02:02:15.000 They showed him doing rehab, like real recently, on his Instagram page. 0.98

02:02:20.000 And I'm like, whoa!

02:02:21.000 This was like six months later.

02:02:23.000 If that's all he can lift...

02:02:25.000 That's like stabilizer muscles and stuff that's around the shoulder. 0.99

02:02:28.000 That shoulder might be fucked. 0.99

02:02:30.000 You did your shoulder? 1.00

02:02:30.000 I did my shoulder, my labrum. 1.00

02:02:32.000 Yeah, I've had a bunch of stem cells shot into my shoulder that healed it up.

02:02:37.000 But I had some pretty significant shoulder injuries.

02:02:39.000 Yeah.

02:02:40.000 You did the labrum surgery, rotator cuff, nothing?

02:02:42.000 No surgery.

02:02:43.000 I put out a full-length rotator cuff tear.

02:02:45.000 Okay.

02:02:46.000 And they used exosomes, and it was gone.

02:02:49.000 The next MRI I had, the tear was gone.

02:02:52.000 Yeah.

02:02:53.000 It just seals up.

02:02:55.000 They did exosomes with platelet-rich plasma, and they mix it together and shoot it into the injury.

02:03:00.000 And I went through the rehab, and then I got another MRI like six months later, eight months later, whatever it was.

02:03:06.000 When it started feeling good, they said, well, let's take a look at it. 0.99

02:03:09.000 And they were like, holy shit. 0.98

02:03:11.000 Like Dr. Roddy McGee from Vegas, who does a lot of the UFC stuff, he goes, do you know how crazy that is? 0.98

02:03:16.000 He's like, your tear is gone.

02:03:17.000 It doesn't exist anymore.

02:03:19.000 That's, I gotta see that. 1.00

02:03:21.000 That's like fucking next level shit. 1.00

02:03:23.000 Why don't they offer that to us when we have fucked up injuries? 1.00

02:03:26.000 I'm like, my neck, my back, like, wouldn't that help? 0.84

02:03:29.000 Well, I mean, if they really think that you need it, and they, I don't know if they know that you have this injury, like, maybe you have to ask for it.

02:03:36.000 I feel like if you were one of your top guys, you would want us to be back healthy and as best as we can possibly be.

02:03:43.000 It's not prohibitively expensive for the UFC either.

02:03:46.000 If you talk to Dr. Davidson, I'll connect you with Dr. McGee. 0.99

02:03:52.000 Last time I was with McGee, yeah, he's got the good shit. 0.97

02:03:56.000 Dr. Roddy McGee in Vegas is always at the cutting edge. 0.99

02:03:59.000 That guy is like, every time I talk to him, there's some new thing that's going on. 0.98

02:04:03.000 There's new stuff now called Wharton's Jelly that is even more powerful than any of the previous stem cell ones, and I had that shit shot into my shoulder too. 0.98

02:04:11.000 And that's all in the States? 0.98

02:04:13.000 All in the States, yeah.

02:04:14.000 The stuff in the States now is way more potent than it was just five years ago.

02:04:17.000 Okay.

02:04:18.000 Way more.

02:04:19.000 You had a guest on, and they were talking about going to...

02:04:21.000 Dr. Neil Reardon.

02:04:22.000 Yeah.

02:04:23.000 Panama.

02:04:24.000 They're on another level down in Panama.

02:04:26.000 I sent my mom down there.

02:04:27.000 Yeah.

02:04:27.000 My mom has a pretty bad knee, and it helped it, but she's going to go down again.

02:04:33.000 It's heavy shit, man. 0.99

02:04:34.000 They do IV stem cells, too. 1.00

02:04:36.000 They do a gang of shit down there. 0.96

02:04:38.000 So let me ask you, so what exactly does it help? 1.00

02:04:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:04:41.000 Does it help with like...

02:04:42.000 Regenerate soft tissue.

02:04:43.000 So like, would that be like a tendon, a ligament?

02:04:46.000 Yes.

02:04:46.000 Tendons, ligaments, muscle injuries, things along those lines.

02:04:49.000 They can regenerate ligaments, regenerate tissue, tears, you know, like stuff where you ordinarily would have to get things sewn up.

02:04:57.000 Like here's a perfect example.

02:04:58.000 My friend John, his wife had a labrum tear.

02:05:01.000 So she had a tear in the labrum of her hip. 0.80

02:05:03.000 Yeah.

02:05:04.000 And the doctor was saying, most likely we're going to have to fix this.

02:05:07.000 It's going to be a big deal.

02:05:09.000 It's going to be months off your feet.

02:05:11.000 You can't put any weight on it for, I think, six to eight weeks or something like that.

02:05:15.000 Well, she got exosomes shot in there, and then when they went in for the second MRI, there's nothing.

02:05:21.000 No injury.

02:05:22.000 Gone.

02:05:22.000 That's freaky.

02:05:24.000 Freaky.

02:05:25.000 So she had a little bit of a deformity in the bone of her hip that was causing an irritation against the labrum.

02:05:29.000 They sanded down that part of the hip that was kind of bothering her.

02:05:33.000 They cut away the part of the bone that's intruding on the labrum so that it clears the path.

02:05:38.000 So it's not that invasive a surgery and then six weeks later she's good to go.

02:05:43.000 I mean she's rehabbing and everything and they still had to cut her open a little bit but the big one was the labrum tear and all that was fixed.

02:05:52.000 So, I had a bicep tendon repair.

02:05:54.000 Now, my bicep rolled up.

02:05:56.000 I don't know if you've seen Matt Serra's arm.

02:05:57.000 It's like rolled up.

02:05:58.000 He never got his fish.

02:05:58.000 He never got it done.

02:05:59.000 He just took the fight and whatever.

02:06:02.000 And I was contemplating doing the same thing.

02:06:04.000 It was after I lost to Brian Carraway.

02:06:05.000 That was like the most devastating time of my life.

02:06:07.000 That was like... 0.99

02:06:08.000 I went off the fucking rails, but... 1.00

02:06:10.000 How did you go off the rails? 1.00

02:06:11.000 That's another story.

02:06:11.000 I was just...

02:06:13.000 Binge drinking.

02:06:14.000 I was just out partying nonstop.

02:06:17.000 My girlfriend and I went through a pretty bad breakup at the point too.

02:06:21.000 And it was like...

02:06:22.000 It was two fights in a row.

02:06:25.000 We got into fights.

02:06:26.000 I beat Johnny Eduardo.

02:06:27.000 We got into a fight at the hotel.

02:06:29.000 And it got bad.

02:06:30.000 Like real bad.

02:06:31.000 To the point where my brother's seen it.

02:06:34.000 She has a nice...

02:06:35.000 She has a good right hook, let's just say. 1.00

02:06:38.000 Yeah.

02:06:39.000 To the back of my skull. 1.00

02:06:41.000 Damn. 1.00

02:06:42.000 It got physical. 1.00

02:06:43.000 It got physical.

02:06:44.000 But isn't that unfair?

02:06:45.000 It's super unfair.

02:06:46.000 Because she knows that you can't do it back.

02:06:48.000 Yeah.

02:06:49.000 But she knows how I kind of grew up.

02:06:50.000 Not kind of.

02:06:51.000 She knows how I grew up.

02:06:52.000 And it's a good thing one of my brothers were there, Troy.

02:06:56.000 He's pro.

02:06:56.000 He fights also.

02:06:59.000 That's another story.

02:07:00.000 He's actually a pretty good rapper.

02:07:01.000 But I think that's more of his calling than fighting, in my personal opinion.

02:07:05.000 He's more dedicated.

02:07:07.000 I would just say that.

02:07:08.000 So he saw it, but I remember I would tell him stuff like, nah man, sometimes this girl's crazy, but I think that's all females, whatever. 1.00

02:07:15.000 And he was like, dude, if I wasn't in the room to see that, I would never have believed you that she would ever do anything like that. 0.96

02:07:21.000 I'm like, now you know I'm not fucking lying. 0.64

02:07:23.000 I'm not fucking crazy. 0.99

02:07:24.000 I'm not full of shit. 0.99

02:07:25.000 I've only had one girl swing at me ever. 0.99

02:07:27.000 I couldn't believe it.

02:07:28.000 As she was swinging at me, I was like, I don't believe this is happening.

02:07:34.000 It was real telegraph.

02:07:35.000 She had zero training.

02:07:35.000 Did you weave?

02:07:36.000 I just ducked under it and grabbed it.

02:07:38.000 I was like, I can't even believe this.

02:07:40.000 I had to duck under it and just get a hold of it.

02:07:42.000 I'm like, what are you doing?

02:07:43.000 Yeah, I covered up because I didn't want to fight.

02:07:46.000 I didn't want to argue.

02:07:47.000 I'm like, I just came off the biggest win.

02:07:48.000 I finished Johnny Eduardo.

02:07:49.000 I was like, it was a boring fight, but I got the finish.

02:07:51.000 That's when I did the decapitating hangman thing.

02:07:54.000 And then I started doing the Millie Rock or whatever on any block.

02:07:59.000 So I was on cloud nine, you know, I'm like celebrating.

02:08:02.000 And the way the fight started, she kind of like, she got more drunk than me at my own after party.

02:08:08.000 And I was like, yo, babe, I'm not in the mood to be holding your hair tonight in the toilet because it's my night.

02:08:14.000 And I get it, you're happy for me, but let me be more happy than you.

02:08:17.000 Let me be the one really, really enjoying this moment.

02:08:20.000 And I just told her, like, baby, slow down.

02:08:22.000 Like, can you drink a little water?

02:08:23.000 And that turned, it just spiraled out of control.

02:08:26.000 You don't think I know how to drink?

02:08:27.000 Dude, it went, it got crazy.

02:08:28.000 It got crazy.

02:08:29.000 But then, long story short, she, right hook, left hook. 1.00

02:08:33.000 One of those, I think her hand is still fucked up from that point. 0.99

02:08:36.000 Till this day. 0.98

02:08:39.000 He puts that hashtag on his posts.

02:08:41.000 It's everything. 0.99

02:08:42.000 It's the greatest fucking thing. 0.99

02:08:44.000 To this day. 0.99

02:08:45.000 It's a great hashtag.

02:08:46.000 They're your people too!

02:08:47.000 Especially since he flatlines everybody.

02:08:49.000 Yeah.

02:08:50.000 To this day.

02:08:51.000 But then the next fight, Carraway, another big fight.

02:08:55.000 And we were still like shaky, you know, getting into arguments a lot.

02:08:57.000 And I think we were kind of like...

02:08:59.000 It's like six years in at this point.

02:09:00.000 No, like five years in.

02:09:02.000 We're still figuring things out.

02:09:03.000 We're young, figuring things out.

02:09:05.000 I'm still enjoying the fruits of my labor.

02:09:08.000 I'm on top of the world right now.

02:09:10.000 I'm ranked fourth in the world.

02:09:11.000 About to have the biggest fight against Brian Carraway.

02:09:14.000 Potential title implications on the line. 0.98

02:09:17.000 I did a lot of dumb stuff. 0.77

02:09:19.000 I was talking to other people. 0.99

02:09:21.000 I'm a very flirtatious guy.

02:09:23.000 I try not to cross the line.

02:09:26.000 Sometimes...

02:09:29.000 Sometimes, whatever.

02:09:30.000 Sometimes you cross the line. 1.00

02:09:30.000 Shit gets ugly. 1.00

02:09:31.000 By accident. 1.00

02:09:32.000 It's not like an intentional thing.

02:09:33.000 You know, I love her or whatever.

02:09:34.000 And, um...

02:09:36.000 But then after that fight, I lost.

02:09:38.000 My first loss.

02:09:38.000 I cried in my after-party.

02:09:42.000 I was at Dre's.

02:09:43.000 All my boys and families were there.

02:09:45.000 Some of my sponsors.

02:09:46.000 It was a hard moment.

02:09:49.000 It wasn't a devastating loss, but it was a split-decision loss.

02:09:52.000 I never thought it would happen like that. 1.00

02:09:54.000 Especially not to that motherfucker. 1.00

02:09:55.000 I was like, dude, I talk so much shit. 1.00

02:09:57.000 I'm trying to build that fight up. 0.99

02:09:59.000 I can't believe I did all this work.

02:10:01.000 And then came up short because...

02:10:03.000 I just shot myself in the foot, whatever.

02:10:06.000 And the next day went to the pool because it was early and she likes to sleep in. 1.00

02:10:11.000 When she gets the opportunity to work, she's on vacation, she sleeps the fuck in. 1.00

02:10:14.000 Me, I'm like, I'm up, 8, 9 o'clock, I'm out, I'm having a drink, I'm by the pool, feed up, I'm under my umbrella because I try not to tan. 0.93

02:10:21.000 I already got enough of that.

02:10:24.000 She comes up.

02:10:25.000 Where you at? 0.99

02:10:26.000 And I think I go back to the room and it turns into another fucking fight. 0.98

02:10:30.000 And at that point, that's when I kind of like, you know what? 0.99

02:10:31.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:10:32.000 I'm talking to anybody, any girl I see. 0.99

02:10:34.000 I think that's hot.

02:10:35.000 I'm going to talk to them.

02:10:36.000 And if I get caught, I get caught. 0.98

02:10:37.000 I don't really give a shit anymore. 0.98

02:10:39.000 And I did get caught. 0.98

02:10:40.000 And it was a rocky, very rocky time.

02:10:44.000 And I was, like I said, I was just drinking nonstop. 0.99

02:10:46.000 And I was just kind of being a fuck up, man. 0.97

02:10:49.000 I never did like hardcore drugs or anything. 0.99

02:10:51.000 You know, I would smoke, but...

02:10:53.000 It's just hard psychologically to handle a big loss like that?

02:10:56.000 Is that what it is?

02:10:57.000 It just throws you off?

02:10:59.000 You know what?

02:11:02.000 I've lost a lot of my life.

02:11:03.000 I would think that I've battled back from a lot of adversity, just dealing with the stuff with my dad and my parents, my dad going through a few divorces and the domestic abuse and being the first one to go to college and finish college, becoming a two-time All-American.

02:11:22.000 I have a lot of things to be proud of and a lot of things that set me back, but I was able to overcome those obstacles and then To have that happen, I thought this was my calling.

02:11:32.000 I thought it was going to be the Floyd Mayweather of MMA, man.

02:11:35.000 Well, you know, sometimes when you come from a background where you've had a lot of losses and a lot of bad things have happened, but then all of a sudden great things are happening and you're moving forward and you've got progress, setbacks are sometimes even more devastating because you start thinking about going back to the way things used to be.

02:11:51.000 The way maybe your parents lived or the way other people you know lived. 0.98

02:11:55.000 And when you see that life, you're like, fuck this. 0.99

02:11:57.000 I can't believe I lost. 0.99

02:11:59.000 Because you had anticipated that you were just going to keep moving forward.

02:12:02.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:12:03.000 So when it does happen, sometimes it's more devastating than someone who doesn't have high aspirations and isn't on a roll.

02:12:10.000 Sometimes when you're on a roll, like a real roll, and you lose, it's like the worst thing that can happen. 0.98

02:12:15.000 Because you think, fuck, I thought everything had changed. 0.98

02:12:18.000 I thought I had just reshaped my future. 0.99

02:12:21.000 Yeah.

02:12:22.000 And you're 100% right.

02:12:23.000 And I thought I was on the cusp of really changing my family's life.

02:12:28.000 This is before things really got crazy with, like, the divorce and my dad.

02:12:32.000 My dad came out of jail 2014 in October. 0.97

02:12:37.000 And from there, it had just been a shit storm, like... 0.96

02:12:39.000 them calling the cops on each other and getting orders of protection. 0.88

02:12:43.000 I had my brothers even writing like, you know, Jamal, the guy on Juicy Air Smalley, or the guy who made up that fake thing that he got- - Jussie Smalley? - Yeah, with the hanging thing and said people jumped him and whatever.

02:12:59.000 So that guy, they would put like his, like draw him on my door, like on a picture and post it on my door whenever I would leave for fights or leave their training.

02:13:07.000 I'll come home and me and my brothers, we were bumping heads.

02:13:10.000 And it was like my dad and like his side of my, not my mom's kids, like the other side, like the other half.

02:13:17.000 It was, like, them against, like, me.

02:13:19.000 Because it was such a weird thing. 0.99

02:13:21.000 They were fucking with you? 1.00

02:13:21.000 They were fucking me in the house. 1.00

02:13:22.000 And it was like, dude, I don't understand how you guys see one person, like, really, really trying to do something, push for, like, to be successful or something, and you guys just want to tear it down. 0.99

02:13:31.000 I mean, our relationship is so much better now, so let me make sure I say that. 0.64

02:13:35.000 But back then, it was so toxic, man, and I was dealing with that, and at a point, eventually, I had to just get the fuck out of the house. 0.88

02:13:40.000 But my girlfriend was there. 0.99

02:13:42.000 She was there from all that chaos and shit. 0.99

02:13:45.000 So when she was being the negative Nancy, and I felt like, yo, there's just so much burden going on in my life, and now you're adding to it by stressing me the fuck out. 0.98

02:13:54.000 I was like, dude, I'd just rather just be alone, you know? 0.99

02:13:57.000 And just be a fucking bachelor with a bachelor's. 1.00

02:13:59.000 This is the way life was supposed to play out. 1.00

02:14:02.000 I guess this is what happened.

02:14:03.000 I thought she showed her true colors.

02:14:05.000 But I knew deep down she just cared about me and she just wanted me to do the right thing.

02:14:09.000 And she didn't know how to handle a boyfriend being in the spotlight.

02:14:13.000 I'm pretty sure you've probably had your fair share of battles coming up.

02:14:17.000 It's challenging.

02:14:18.000 And for the male, the person, not even the male, guy or female, whoever's in the spotlight, being able to handle that and do the right thing In certain situations, it can be very, very tough sometimes, you know?

02:14:29.000 Well, I think a person in your position, too, where you're so close to a shot at the title, there's so many things that could go wrong that could fuck you up or go right and could elevate you.

02:14:40.000 And it's a delicate balancing act with personal life, economics, your health, training, trainers, training partners.

02:14:49.000 Like, everything has to kind of be in place if you're eventually going to make that next step And gain the title.

02:14:55.000 It's like, there's that weird...

02:14:57.000 And there's a lot of stress involved with something like that.

02:15:00.000 Well, you are managing all these things.

02:15:02.000 And so any problem that you might have in your relationship goes sour.

02:15:06.000 That fucks everything up.

02:15:08.000 Because then the whole system is all wacky.

02:15:11.000 If the system is smooth, like you and your girl get along good...

02:15:15.000 You and your training partners get along good.

02:15:17.000 Everything's good.

02:15:18.000 We're all positive.

02:15:19.000 We're moving in the right direction.

02:15:20.000 You have less ripples in the water.

02:15:22.000 We're good.

02:15:24.000 And then that, good or bad, can have a significant impact on your future right now.

02:15:30.000 Yeah.

02:15:31.000 I agree 100%.

02:15:33.000 It's just been a really crazy roller coaster.

02:15:38.000 Even going into that binge, that's when I had the injury.

02:15:41.000 I remember trying to spar.

02:15:42.000 I was like, you know what?

02:15:43.000 I looked at my life.

02:15:44.000 I was like, dude, I've just been partying since my loss.

02:15:47.000 It was May 29th or 27th, Memorial Day weekend on a Sunday. 0.99

02:15:52.000 Ever since then, I think I probably drank almost every single fucking day. 0.98

02:15:55.000 For how many months? 0.99

02:15:57.000 All the way to July when I had the surgery.

02:16:01.000 No one really knows, man.

02:16:02.000 I was in a bad way mentally.

02:16:06.000 And to be able to pull myself back together was...

02:16:08.000 It was tough, man.

02:16:11.000 And I'm just happy I was able to do it.

02:16:13.000 But then I remember I came back.

02:16:14.000 I was like, you know what? 0.99

02:16:15.000 Let's get our shit together. 0.99

02:16:17.000 I think it was maybe Al or somebody else had a fight coming up. 0.99

02:16:19.000 And that was kind of like the catalyst for me to have the newfound motivation to get back.

02:16:24.000 And then I come back and I try to spar.

02:16:27.000 And I pop my bicep tendon because I'm just on this binging drink.

02:16:32.000 So your body's probably weak.

02:16:32.000 I'm just going nuts.

02:16:34.000 Dehydrated.

02:16:35.000 And I go in.

02:16:36.000 I throw a long check hook, which I always do.

02:16:37.000 I don't know if you've seen in the fights when I step back and I always counter with the opposite hand.

02:16:41.000 And I hit guys on that transition going backwards.

02:16:45.000 And that's all I did.

02:16:46.000 Connected.

02:16:47.000 Flush.

02:16:49.000 From there, it was another setback.

02:16:51.000 How many months did it take for that to rehab?

02:16:53.000 Three.

02:16:54.000 I didn't feel comfortable taking a fight until probably the third month.

02:16:57.000 I didn't fight for the rest of 2016, so I didn't fight again until I fought a sunset in January.

02:17:02.000 What do you do during that time when you have a giant gap like that where you're not making any money?

02:17:07.000 I went back to teaching for a little bit.

02:17:09.000 I was coaching the wrestling team.

02:17:12.000 I was coaching at the high school program at Baldwin High School doing that, and it was cool, but you're not making any real money, so to speak, because it's not like a real full-time job.

02:17:25.000 So I had to figure things out real quick, and that's what I always...

02:17:30.000 Thank myself for not being one of these guys who makes their money and just go on these spending sprees and just blow their money.

02:17:36.000 People see me traveling after every fight, which I do enjoy, but I'm smart about it.

02:17:41.000 I always try to do it on the UFC's dime.

02:17:43.000 I try to be a guest fighter for every single event.

02:17:46.000 I enjoy these things.

02:17:46.000 It's not a burden for me to go out and sign pitches, to get a free flight to go to...

02:17:51.000 Liverpool.

02:17:52.000 And just extend my trip.

02:17:53.000 Is that how it works with the UFC? They just let you do that if you want to go?

02:17:56.000 Well, you ask.

02:17:57.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:17:57.000 And if they have room to pay for it.

02:17:59.000 And I went to Poland doing that.

02:18:01.000 Oh, that's badass.

02:18:02.000 Yeah, so I take advantage of these things, you know.

02:18:04.000 And how long do you go for?

02:18:05.000 It depends.

02:18:06.000 I was in London for...

02:18:08.000 Seven days, but that whole trip was two weeks.

02:18:11.000 So I started in London because I had my grandma still lives out there and some of my cousins and uncles.

02:18:15.000 So I went out there, visited them, hung out. 0.99

02:18:18.000 We got shit face. 0.97

02:18:19.000 And then we went to Liverpool, watched the fight, Wonder Boy versus Darren Till. 0.99

02:18:23.000 Crazy fight.

02:18:24.000 Crazy fight.

02:18:25.000 And then the last three days, I saw Kavanaugh.

02:18:28.000 I actually have a video on my phone.

02:18:29.000 It might not be on my phone.

02:18:31.000 It might be on my laptop.

02:18:31.000 But I have a video of him and I grappling with...

02:18:34.000 Drunk in the lobby of the hotel in Liverpool after the fight.

02:18:39.000 And I told him I was coming out to Ireland and that was my introduction to him.

02:18:45.000 And we became pretty cool ever since.

02:18:48.000 And then I went out to Ireland to go train.

02:18:49.000 Got to work with Brad Katona, James Gallagher for a little bit and get some work in and tour the island a little bit.

02:18:57.000 So that was fun.

02:18:59.000 But then I went to Poland.

02:19:00.000 So I've done a lot of these trips.

02:19:01.000 And even according to Uka Sasaki when he flew into Singapore, I extended my trip and I went to Bali right after because I have some Long Island friends and I stayed out there for a week.

02:19:10.000 That's an amazing place.

02:19:11.000 That's a place I want to go to.

02:19:12.000 What is Bali like? 0.99

02:19:13.000 Because I almost went there last summer.

02:19:14.000 We decided to go to Thailand instead.

02:19:16.000 Have you surfed before?

02:19:17.000 No.

02:19:18.000 Scared!

02:19:18.000 It's a great place for surfing.

02:19:20.000 Fuck that! 1.00

02:19:20.000 You're not scared of sharks? 1.00

02:19:21.000 No.

02:19:22.000 No!

02:19:23.000 Did you see that shark yesterday?

02:19:24.000 No!

02:19:25.000 Don't do this to me, Jamie!

02:19:27.000 25 to 30 feet long, 5,000 pounds.

02:19:30.000 Wow.

02:19:31.000 What?

02:19:31.000 Yeah.

02:19:32.000 What are you talking about?

02:19:33.000 It's like Jaws is real.

02:19:34.000 I'll show you this.

02:19:34.000 It's like Jaws is real.

02:19:35.000 That's the biggest shark ever, right?

02:19:37.000 It's gotta be.

02:19:38.000 When did this get soft?

02:19:40.000 Someone said it to me yesterday.

02:19:41.000 I remember watching it on my phone and you just said it and it popped right in my head.

02:19:44.000 What's the biggest shark ever?

02:19:45.000 It's like the shack of human beings.

02:19:48.000 They might have been exaggerating those numbers, but that's what it says.

02:19:51.000 Here's the tweet.

02:19:52.000 What is this from?

02:19:53.000 Twitter.

02:19:54.000 Someone on Twitter.

02:19:55.000 Martha's Vineyard.

02:19:56.000 Shores does exist. 1.00

02:19:58.000 Watch how big this fucking thing is. 1.00

02:20:00.000 Okay. 1.00

02:20:01.000 Here it comes.

02:20:03.000 There's the tail right here. 0.98

02:20:05.000 Martha's Vineyard.

02:20:06.000 Isn't that...

02:20:06.000 That's where it was, yeah.

02:20:07.000 Oh my god.

02:20:09.000 Dude, it's so big.

02:20:10.000 Oh my god.

02:20:11.000 Wow.

02:20:12.000 Oh my god.

02:20:13.000 Oh my god.

02:20:17.000 That is so big. 1.00

02:20:20.000 Do you not just fuck with people who get that big? 1.00

02:20:22.000 It's hard perspective-wise. 0.99

02:20:23.000 Those numbers could be slightly exaggerated.

02:20:26.000 Yeah, listen, that 25 to 30 feet, 5,000 pounds, how do you know?

02:20:30.000 Who's saying this?

02:20:31.000 Who's posting this?

02:20:32.000 What is this, Gregory Long?

02:20:34.000 What does he do?

02:20:35.000 I don't know.

02:20:35.000 I'll look up and see.

02:20:36.000 What do you do, Gregory?

02:20:37.000 What is his actual credentials?

02:20:40.000 He doesn't seem like to be a shark guy, but...

02:20:43.000 It says Wednesday Wisdom.

02:20:44.000 How's that wisdom?

02:20:45.000 Greg, what are you talking about?

02:20:47.000 Greg, you drunk.

02:20:48.000 He's just a guy.

02:20:49.000 I'll see if I can find out if that was real.

02:20:50.000 Greg's drunk at work.

02:20:53.000 That might have just been 15 feet.

02:20:55.000 It might be a regular grade. 1.00

02:20:56.000 Either way, it's fucking giant. 0.99

02:20:58.000 It might not have been really 25 feet. 0.99

02:20:59.000 They have that one in Hawaii that they monitor, right?

02:21:02.000 They have a chip in it.

02:21:03.000 It's called like Deep Blue or Big Blue or something like that.

02:21:05.000 Something like that.

02:21:06.000 Yeah.

02:21:06.000 And that's the biggest one they know of, correct?

02:21:08.000 Yeah.

02:21:08.000 But I thought that was significantly smaller, like 20 feet.

02:21:11.000 Oh, this is...

02:21:11.000 Yeah, this is on a bunch of websites ran the story.

02:21:16.000 Twitter user Gregory Long posted a video.

02:21:19.000 But there's no perspective, though.

02:21:21.000 There's not a boat that you can look at.

02:21:23.000 We can say, oh, this is a 15-foot boat.

02:21:25.000 Look at it, it's 10 feet longer than the boat.

02:21:27.000 Yeah.

02:21:27.000 Come on, Greg.

02:21:29.000 Stop being drunk at work. 1.00

02:21:34.000 Either way, fuck sharks, man. 1.00

02:21:37.000 Yeah, but I think you would enjoy it. 1.00

02:21:39.000 I'm sure, I'd love it.

02:21:40.000 There's training there, too.

02:21:41.000 My guy Anthony Leone, Donnie Carlo-Klaus, and his brother Andrew Leone, they're from Long Island, but they've just been moving, hopping around to different places.

02:21:49.000 And they set up a gym in Bali?

02:21:51.000 Yeah, they started in Thailand.

02:21:52.000 I guess they had like a little fall now.

02:21:54.000 And he told me, like, they tried to, like, they threatened to kill him or, like, threatened to tell him, like, you can't leave.

02:21:59.000 Like, in a way where it was, like, threatening, like, you're not leaving this place.

02:22:03.000 But they left.

02:22:04.000 They got out of there.

02:22:05.000 And I guess in Bali, they have, like, a law where outsiders, foreigners can't buy property unless there's, like, an Indonesian... 0.97

02:22:13.000 Like leasing it to you or like joint partners or something like that.

02:22:18.000 Something interesting like that, which I thought was pretty cool because you can live in a very nice place, two bedroom, very nice place with a pool, with a garage, get a scooter for like $2,000 for the year, which is like insane.

02:22:34.000 For a year?

02:22:36.000 Yes, for a year.

02:22:37.000 I asked the guy, Donnie, how much he paid.

02:22:39.000 I don't want to misquote him, but I want to say he either paid $2,500 for the year or for two years.

02:22:43.000 Something like that. 0.99

02:22:44.000 Well, I was like, yo, bro, I could come here right now and live like a fucking king. 0.99

02:22:48.000 It's like, parents, everybody, I'll see you later. 0.99

02:22:51.000 Well, I think it's really attractive, these young guys that go to Thailand and do their camps out there.

02:22:55.000 Well, not just young guys.

02:22:56.000 Isn't Valentina Shevchenko, didn't she do a lot of her training down in Thailand, too?

02:23:00.000 Tiger Muay Thai?

02:23:00.000 I think she did.

02:23:02.000 It was either that or Phuket Top Team.

02:23:04.000 I forget which one.

02:23:05.000 But I mean, a.k.a.

02:23:07.000 Mike Swick, he's got a.k.a.

02:23:09.000 Thailand now, too.

02:23:10.000 There's so many places down there where guys go and train, and you see a great result, too. 0.99

02:23:16.000 Like Khalil Roundtree, he went down there and came back a fucking assassin. 0.97

02:23:19.000 That was a fun episode you guys had when he was talking about his training. 0.99

02:23:22.000 Yeah, it was great.

02:23:24.000 All these destination gyms are popping up, but that's what they have over there in Bali.

02:23:27.000 They call it Bali MMA, but they got the food right on site, so you don't need anything.

02:23:33.000 You go there, there's the showers, there's the food shop, and it's all healthy stuff too, which is pretty sick.

02:23:39.000 What's going on, Jeremy?

02:23:40.000 People think that it most likely was a basking shark, which is an average size of 11,000 pounds.

02:23:46.000 Why do you think it's a basking shark?

02:23:48.000 Because of the size of it.

02:23:50.000 Yeah, but it didn't look...

02:23:50.000 I know.

02:23:51.000 What do I do? 0.99

02:23:52.000 Am I a fucking shark? 1.00

02:23:53.000 I was going to argue that like I knew. 1.00

02:23:56.000 What? 1.00

02:23:57.000 They don't know shit! 1.00

02:23:57.000 Because I want it to be a great white! 1.00

02:23:59.000 That's one of those things.

02:24:00.000 There were a lot of great white sightings in that area over that weekend, so...

02:24:04.000 So who knows?

02:24:05.000 Yeah, man.

02:24:06.000 Sharks. 1.00

02:24:07.000 Fuck sharks. 1.00

02:24:07.000 So basking sharks get that big? 1.00

02:24:09.000 They get giant.

02:24:10.000 They have that giant mouth. 0.99

02:24:12.000 But they're not dangerous.

02:24:12.000 They got a weird face.

02:24:14.000 They suck in krill and stuff like that. 0.99

02:24:17.000 Look at the inside. 0.99

02:24:18.000 Looks like all bones, no?

02:24:20.000 Yeah, it looks like a tube.

02:24:22.000 That kind of looks like the same thing.

02:24:25.000 Could be. 0.91

02:24:25.000 I don't think that other one had that wide-ass mouth. 0.91

02:24:27.000 No, it didn't. 0.92

02:24:27.000 But that might be a wide-ass mouth while it's open, right? 0.92

02:24:30.000 Maybe if the mouth is closed. 1.00

02:24:32.000 Hey, Greg, do you know what the fuck you're saying? 1.00

02:24:35.000 Let me see. 1.00

02:24:36.000 That looks different to me, man.

02:24:37.000 One more time.

02:24:38.000 The St. Gills would be unmissable.

02:24:39.000 Let's take a look. 1.00

02:24:40.000 No, that's a goddamn great white. 1.00

02:24:42.000 Yeah, man, I don't know. 1.00

02:24:44.000 Fuck all these assholes. 1.00

02:24:45.000 That's a great white. 1.00

02:24:46.000 That's fucking scary. 1.00

02:24:47.000 It might be a basking shark. 1.00

02:24:48.000 That might really be a 25-foot shark. 0.93

02:24:50.000 Dude, that looked really...

02:24:51.000 Show that again. 0.99

02:24:54.000 That was fucking gigantic. 0.99

02:24:55.000 Nah, it is. 0.99

02:24:56.000 I'm sorry for calling you drunk, Greg.

02:24:58.000 Look at that.

02:24:59.000 Whoa.

02:25:00.000 Imagine being in a kayak.

02:25:01.000 That's so big. 0.99

02:25:10.000 I'm surprised those things, they don't fuck with people, man. 0.99

02:25:12.000 Like, you see a ship, you just don't just start charging into it, and like, I'm gonna fucking knock this thing over. 0.99

02:25:18.000 Get a little snack, a little snacky-poo. 0.80

02:25:20.000 I don't know.

02:25:21.000 I saw the episode, like the little snippet that Dana White and Matt Serra and Dean Thomas put out. 0.98

02:25:26.000 I was like, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:25:27.000 Did they really go into the water with sharks? 0.98

02:25:30.000 I could never.

02:25:31.000 I could go surfing, but never that.

02:25:33.000 I can't believe Dean did it.

02:25:34.000 He seems wiser.

02:25:36.000 He seems wiser than that. 0.98

02:25:38.000 He's black. 0.98

02:25:39.000 We're supposed to be smarter than this, Dean. 0.99

02:25:41.000 And Sarah jumped in there, too.

02:25:43.000 Everybody jumped in there.

02:25:44.000 Did you talk to Matt about it?

02:25:46.000 No, I just saw the snippets.

02:25:47.000 I've been out here.

02:25:49.000 And it looks like there was blood in the water, too.

02:25:51.000 Like they threw pieces of meat in the water.

02:25:53.000 That's Matt jumping in.

02:25:54.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:25:54.000 They're like feeding her.

02:25:55.000 That might be Dana. 1.00

02:25:57.000 Look at these fucking... 1.00

02:25:58.000 Yeah, see, there's pieces of meat in the water. 1.00

02:26:01.000 Oh my god.

02:26:02.000 They were counting like one, two, three. 1.00

02:26:05.000 Fuck everything about that. 1.00

02:26:07.000 Fuck everything about that. 1.00

02:26:09.000 I could never. 1.00

02:26:09.000 I could never do that shit. 1.00

02:26:11.000 This is a dumb way to die, man. 1.00

02:26:13.000 Dana White's looking for a fight. 1.00

02:26:15.000 How did Matt Sarah die? 1.00

02:26:17.000 Oh, this fucking YouTube show. 1.00

02:26:21.000 Yeah, nah. 1.00

02:26:22.000 Dana White's looking for a fight. 1.00

02:26:24.000 Yeah, why would they do that?

02:26:26.000 Look at that.

02:26:27.000 They're yelling, screaming.

02:26:28.000 Dana's laughing.

02:26:30.000 Isn't it funny? 1.00

02:26:31.000 Dana White's worth like a half a billion dollars and he still gets his kicks doing silly shit like this. 0.99

02:26:36.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:26:36.000 I mean, that show's a fun show because Dana's not doing that for money. 0.98

02:26:40.000 Not by any stretch of the imagination.

02:26:41.000 He's doing that to have a good time.

02:26:43.000 Yeah.

02:26:44.000 I mean, I love that.

02:26:45.000 I love that aspect of what he does. 0.98

02:26:47.000 Dana's a fucking legitimate wild man. 0.98

02:26:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:26:50.000 Yeah, I never got the chance to hang out with him. 0.99

02:26:52.000 I love him.

02:26:53.000 Maybe if I win the bill, I get hangout privileges or something.

02:26:56.000 Listen, man, next time I'm hanging out with him, I'll invite you.

02:26:58.000 I love Dana.

02:26:59.000 He's crazy.

02:27:01.000 I mean, he's the perfect dude. 0.92

02:27:02.000 I always say this when I do the announcing at the weigh-ins.

02:27:08.000 When Dana comes on stage, I always say, without him, none of this would be possible.

02:27:12.000 Because it wouldn't.

02:27:12.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:27:13.000 You needed a wild man to take control of this fucking crazy sport. 0.99

02:27:18.000 Because most people would want to tone it down or change things about it. 0.99

02:27:22.000 And the only reason why I did commentary ever is because he asked me to do it.

02:27:26.000 I never wanted to do commentary.

02:27:28.000 That wasn't my idea.

02:27:29.000 That's Dana White's idea. 0.99

02:27:30.000 I'll tell you fucking what. 1.00

02:27:31.000 You fucking killed it, though. 1.00

02:27:33.000 Well, I got lucky that I got a chance in the early days when no one was watching to learn. 1.00

02:27:38.000 How to do it and get better at it.

02:27:40.000 Because I wasn't that good in the beginning.

02:27:41.000 It takes a while to figure out how to do it.

02:27:44.000 But you were doing Fear Factor before that.

02:27:46.000 I was doing Fear Factor, and when I was doing Fear Factor, that's when Zufa had just purchased the UFC. So I came to watch when Tito Ortiz fought Vladimir Mayushenko and I went to some of the earlier fights like when Matt Hughes fought Sakurai.

02:28:05.000 I was in the audience and everything like that.

02:28:07.000 And Dana and I used to have conversations about fights.

02:28:09.000 And I would say, hey, you should check out this guy in Japan.

02:28:13.000 You should check out this Russian dude.

02:28:14.000 And we were just talking about fights.

02:28:16.000 And I would always be asking him questions.

02:28:19.000 And what do you guys got coming up next?

02:28:20.000 And I thought it was exciting because the sport was trying to take off.

02:28:23.000 And they were risking all this money.

02:28:25.000 I was there hanging out with them as a friend when the pay-per-view cut short.

02:28:31.000 Because they had a window of time for pay-per-view when Tito Ortiz fought Vladimir Matyushenko right after September 11th.

02:28:38.000 So it was this big patriotic thing and everybody felt terrible.

02:28:42.000 This is right after 9-11 and Tito comes out with the American flag and it was this big deal.

02:28:48.000 And then the pay-per-view, the time stopped in the middle of the fight.

02:28:52.000 And the screen went black and everybody wanted their money back.

02:28:55.000 So they lost a shit ton of money.

02:28:58.000 And I was hanging out with them as just a friend when all this was happening. 0.86

02:29:02.000 And then somewhere around, I think it was UFC 37 and a half, Dana talked me into doing commentary because they were doing, it was in promotion with Fox Sports and the Best Damn Sports Show.

02:29:14.000 Remember that show, Best Damn Sports Show period?

02:29:16.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.96

02:29:16.000 They were helping promote it. 0.96

02:29:18.000 And so all that stuff happened together and then they talked me into, Dana talked me into doing commentary.

02:29:24.000 And I did it ever since.

02:29:25.000 Yeah.

02:29:25.000 So when did you actually meet him?

02:29:28.000 Met him in like 2008. Right when they bought it, like 2001, what happened was they bought the UFC and then they started putting on these events in Vegas and, you know, Eddie Bravo and I, we had always said, what this sport needs is some crazy billionaire who loves the sport, who just dumps a bunch of money in it to make it big.

02:29:48.000 Because when I first started doing commentary, it was in 97. It was when, it was pre-Zufa. 1.00

02:29:53.000 It was the old days when Bob Meyerowitz owned it and Bob hired me and Campbell McLaren.

02:29:58.000 And I was just doing the post-fight interviews.

02:30:00.000 I'd interview guys after the fight was over.

02:30:02.000 And then I quit.

02:30:04.000 I did it for maybe two years.

02:30:06.000 But it was just too much work.

02:30:08.000 It was actually costing me money.

02:30:10.000 There's not a lot of money in interviewing fighters.

02:30:12.000 And there wasn't money in the sport back then.

02:30:15.000 And I just did it because I loved it.

02:30:16.000 But it got to a point where if I took a weekend off to do that versus do comedy, it would cost me a few thousand dollars.

02:30:23.000 And I was like, I can't do this anymore.

02:30:25.000 And so I quit.

02:30:27.000 And then when I got Fear Factor, I wound up going to one of their Vegas events because the UFC just bought this and they were giving out free tickets to celebrities.

02:30:37.000 And so that's how Dana and I met.

02:30:39.000 And then we just started talking about fights and he talked me into doing it.

02:30:42.000 That's crazy.

02:30:43.000 It's crazy.

02:30:44.000 I never in my wildest dreams thought I would ever be a sports commentator.

02:30:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:30:49.000 No desire to do it whatsoever.

02:30:52.000 And I remember early on, someone, I don't remember who it was, was telling Dana, like, hey, he's got to stop talking about weed. 0.96

02:31:01.000 And Dana's exact words were, I don't give a fuck what he talks about as long as he talks about the fights. 0.95

02:31:06.000 I mean, no one else would say that. 0.99

02:31:08.000 Like as a CEO or a president of a giant billion dollar organization, no one would say that.

02:31:13.000 No one would say that.

02:31:15.000 It takes a while, man.

02:31:17.000 He's different, man.

02:31:18.000 You giving up on the TV? I have it on my computer.

02:31:21.000 It's about to start here.

02:31:23.000 Hey, we got it on here.

02:31:24.000 What's happening?

02:31:25.000 Oh, Ray Cooper.

02:31:26.000 There we go.

02:31:27.000 He beat up his cousin.

02:31:28.000 Oh, Ray Cooper's about to fight John Howard.

02:31:30.000 He beat his cousin up.

02:31:32.000 He beat whose cousin up?

02:31:33.000 He fought his cousin his last fight.

02:31:35.000 Ray Cooper did?

02:31:36.000 Yeah.

02:31:36.000 Oh my god.

02:31:36.000 He fought Jake Shields.

02:31:38.000 He fucked up Jake Shields twice in a row. 0.99

02:31:40.000 That's one of the weird things about that organization. 0.98

02:31:43.000 Are you doing this through your computer?

02:31:44.000 Is that how you're doing it?

02:31:45.000 Oh.

02:31:45.000 Clever boy.

02:31:47.000 He fought his cousin.

02:31:49.000 Call those dudes.

02:31:51.000 Oh, there it goes.

02:31:52.000 Bam.

02:31:52.000 Oh, no, it's because it's still going through my computer.

02:31:54.000 Uh-huh.

02:31:55.000 I'm surprised no one really talked about that.

02:31:57.000 Why is that thing in the middle of it, Jamie?

02:31:58.000 Because I'm trying to switch the inputs to get that box on.

02:32:01.000 You know, their thing is weird.

02:32:04.000 The way they do it is weird.

02:32:05.000 The way the PFL does it.

02:32:07.000 Yeah.

02:32:08.000 Like, you have to fight the same guy again.

02:32:10.000 To get into the playoffs. 0.99

02:32:14.000 This should be wild as fuck. 0.99

02:32:16.000 Because John Howard can crack. 1.00

02:32:18.000 He hits like a fucking... 1.00

02:32:19.000 He cracks. 1.00

02:32:20.000 They both crack.

02:32:21.000 And John has fought a lot of high-level dudes.

02:32:24.000 The thing on the bottom line, that guy, he got his arm ripped off in a crash over the weekend.

02:32:29.000 What?

02:32:29.000 And if I heard about that.

02:32:33.000 Yeah.

02:32:33.000 What happened?

02:32:34.000 That's fucked up. 0.99

02:32:34.000 He just got cited in the crash, it said. 0.99

02:32:36.000 There goes his contract, right? 1.00

02:32:37.000 What the fuck? 0.99

02:32:38.000 Yeah, unless they can rebuild him like Steve Austin. 1.00

02:32:41.000 Well, he has a defensive tackle.

02:32:43.000 Offensive guys, no.

02:32:45.000 You can't have one arm.

02:32:47.000 Well, the one guy who's playing with, like, two fingers, he blew him off in a fireworks accident a couple years ago.

02:32:53.000 What?

02:32:54.000 You didn't hear about that?

02:32:55.000 He was a gigantic contract.

02:32:57.000 He's still playing?

02:32:58.000 I think he's done now.

02:33:00.000 He's done now?

02:33:01.000 He might be done now.

02:33:03.000 As of this season, I think.

02:33:05.000 My boxing coach...

02:33:07.000 And Boston had his finger bitten off in a street fight.

02:33:09.000 And he replaced it with his second toe.

02:33:12.000 Not the big toe, but the second one.

02:33:13.000 And they had it curled permanently so he could always throw right hooks.

02:33:17.000 Look at that ref cam.

02:33:18.000 Look at that ref cam. 0.99

02:33:19.000 I was like, what the fuck is these bifocals on his face right now? 0.89

02:33:21.000 They got a lot of stats that are going to show up on the screen too. 0.95

02:33:23.000 Like striking speed and how much they move around the ring.

02:33:26.000 Ray Cooper moving in quick.

02:33:27.000 Boom! 0.99

02:33:28.000 Big kick. 0.58

02:33:28.000 Taken down. 0.58

02:33:29.000 Ray Cooper is also a state champion wrestler from Hawaii.

02:33:32.000 Yeah, I heard that.

02:33:33.000 He wrestled his ass off. 0.96

02:33:34.000 I just found it weird that he fought his cousin. 0.91

02:33:37.000 He was mad that his cousin accepted to be in the tournament knowing that he was in the tournament first.

02:33:43.000 Well, probably not the best idea. 0.98

02:33:46.000 That dude hits so goddamn hard. 0.97

02:33:48.000 He hits hard. 1.00

02:33:49.000 Would you fight your cousin?

02:33:50.000 No.

02:33:51.000 Well, I fought my cousin when I was seven.

02:33:54.000 We got in a fight with King Kong vs.

02:33:56.000 Godzilla.

02:33:58.000 I was a King Kong man. 1.00

02:34:01.000 My brothers used to beat my fucking ass. 1.00

02:34:04.000 We used to beat each other's asses though. 1.00

02:34:05.000 They would jump me. 0.99

02:34:06.000 They would jump me.

02:34:07.000 Really?

02:34:08.000 Yeah, we'd jump each other though. 1.00

02:34:09.000 How many tough guys came from a family where their brothers beat their ass? 1.00

02:34:14.000 Probably a lot. 1.00

02:34:15.000 A lot!

02:34:16.000 A lot.

02:34:17.000 The number's got to be through the roof.

02:34:19.000 Think about it, right?

02:34:20.000 Tough guys with brothers.

02:34:22.000 First of all, Matt Hughes and his brother Mark.

02:34:24.000 Whoa, beautiful takedown.

02:34:26.000 Oh, he hit him with a nice left hook there. 0.50

02:34:28.000 That was a clean left hook in the transition. 0.99

02:34:33.000 The Millers, Dan Miller and Jim Miller.

02:34:36.000 The other Millers, Cole Miller and Micah Miller. 0.99

02:34:40.000 How many fucking animals have brothers and they fight with their brother? 0.99

02:34:46.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:34:46.000 It's like a lot. 1.00

02:34:48.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:34:48.000 Ray Cooper landed a big shot. 1.00

02:34:50.000 Oh! 0.60

02:34:51.000 Wow!

02:34:51.000 John Howard with a big left hook!

02:34:53.000 Oh my goodness!

02:34:55.000 Yo, that was...

02:34:56.000 Oh! 0.60

02:34:57.000 He's out!

02:34:58.000 He's out!

02:34:59.000 Oh, he's out! 1.00

02:35:00.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:35:01.000 Oh, John Howard! 1.00

02:35:02.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:35:03.000 Whoa! 1.00

02:35:04.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:35:05.000 John Howard! 1.00

02:35:06.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:35:08.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:35:10.000 We were just saying that, man. 1.00

02:35:11.000 John Howard can fucking crack! 1.00

02:35:14.000 Damn! 1.00

02:35:16.000 Jesus! 1.00

02:35:18.000 Damn! 1.00

02:35:21.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:35:22.000 And he's got a huge... 1.00

02:35:23.000 That's a nice knot.

02:35:24.000 Let's end this podcast on a positive note.

02:35:27.000 Shout out to John Howard.

02:35:28.000 Congratulations.

02:35:29.000 Shout out to Bostonian.

02:35:31.000 And shout out to Funkmaster.

02:35:33.000 Tell people how they can get you on Instagram and Twitter and all that jazz.

02:35:36.000 They can find me on Instagram, Funkmaster underscore UFC. And on the Twitter, the tweet, the tweet.

02:35:44.000 Funkmaster underscore UFC. And...

02:35:47.000 Oh yeah, you could go to my website, aljaminestern.com.

02:35:49.000 That's where I got my podcast or iTunes.

02:35:51.000 And your podcast is on iTunes.

02:35:52.000 And what's it called again?

02:35:53.000 The Weekly Scratch.

02:35:54.000 Because there's fights every weekend.

02:35:55.000 There is pretty much now.

02:35:56.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

02:35:57.000 Well, thank you, brother.

02:35:58.000 I appreciate you, man.

02:35:59.000 Thank you, man.

02:35:59.000 Thanks for coming in.

02:35:59.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:36:00.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:36:01.000 Yeah, we're going to watch the fights now.

02:36:02.000 Bye, everybody.

02:36:03.000 See ya.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 11, 2011

JRE MMA Show #70 with Aljamain Sterling

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