The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #77 with Cedric Doumbe

00:00:02.000 Boom! 0.99

00:00:03.000 Alright, we're live.

00:00:03.000 What's going on, man?

00:00:05.000 What do you got there?

00:00:06.000 Text messaging people?

00:00:07.000 No.

00:00:08.000 Shutting your phone off?

00:00:09.000 Yeah, I just put it on...

00:00:12.000 Silent?

00:00:13.000 Silent mood.

00:00:13.000 How long have you been in America now?

00:00:15.000 You're only here for like two weeks, right?

00:00:18.000 Yeah, I came for two weeks and three days.

00:00:23.000 And Icey invited me at the UFC. Did you enjoy it?

00:00:28.000 Yeah, it was great.

00:00:29.000 That's my first time at the US. That's the first time, really?

00:00:31.000 Even at an MMA event.

00:00:33.000 You've never been to an MMA event?

00:00:34.000 No.

00:00:35.000 Really?

00:00:35.000 No.

00:00:35.000 In France, it's so boring.

00:00:37.000 You know that?

00:00:38.000 Now it's pre-bidden in France.

00:00:40.000 Yes.

00:00:40.000 And you can't hit a guy when he's on the floor.

00:00:44.000 So that's why it used to be boring in France, because they fight, like striking, and then when a guy takes you down, and then he's just BGG. It's just submissions.

00:00:56.000 Yeah.

00:00:56.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:00:57.000 So the MMA rules, when they would go to the ground, no striking at all?

00:01:00.000 No striking.

00:01:01.000 Even to the body?

00:01:02.000 Even in the body.

00:01:03.000 Oh, I think, yeah, in the body they can.

00:01:05.000 But you can't punch to the face?

00:01:07.000 No, it's so boring.

00:01:08.000 That's why I've never been in MMA, even in France.

00:01:11.000 But UFC at 2-4-1 was crazy.

00:01:15.000 Especially the fight.

00:01:16.000 The Diaz fight and the main event was...

00:01:21.000 Now, as a kickboxing champion, and when you watch MMA, I know that you've been training, and I know that you spent some time while you were out here at AKA. Are you thinking of eventually making your way to the UFC? I'm not thinking.

00:01:37.000 That's what I will do.

00:01:39.000 You will do?

00:01:39.000 Yeah, that's what I will do.

00:01:41.000 That's what I want to do.

00:01:43.000 You know, as you said, I'm the Glory champ now.

00:01:48.000 I have five belts.

00:01:49.000 My first dream before Glory was to become the greatest kickboxer in the world.

00:01:57.000 I wanted to beat everybody in my division.

00:02:01.000 That's what I did before.

00:02:03.000 Nicky Holsken was the champ champ and defeated since six years.

00:02:08.000 Yeah, he was the greatest in glory. 0.98

00:02:10.000 And I was like, damn, how do I going to beat him? 0.98

00:02:13.000 You know, he's so strong. 0.99

00:02:14.000 And I beat him twice.

00:02:17.000 I beat everybody.

00:02:19.000 So after that...

00:02:20.000 Before people was asking me, do you think to go to MMA? Because I think you should do something great in MMA. I was like, no, I don't like MMA. I don't like, like, wrestling, BGG. I don't like this kind of sport.

00:02:33.000 I'm a striker, you know?

00:02:34.000 I was like, no, I don't like it. 0.96

00:02:36.000 And yeah, two years ago I was like, damn, I think I like it.

00:02:40.000 Because I trained once and I really like it. 0.70

00:02:44.000 What did you like?

00:02:45.000 Do you like MMA training or did you like Jiu Jitsu?

00:02:48.000 MMA training and Jiu Jitsu.

00:02:50.000 And I was watching Jiu Jitsu all the time on TV. And more I watched jujitsu, I was like, oh, it's so complicated.

00:02:57.000 It's not only two guys who are rolling and making string stuff on the ground.

00:03:03.000 It's more than that.

00:03:05.000 So I was like, oh, it's complicated.

00:03:07.000 It's not easy.

00:03:09.000 Right.

00:03:11.000 Yeah, I wanted to learn that.

00:03:13.000 I wanted someone to teach me that.

00:03:15.000 And yeah, I was thinking about MMA. Now I really want to do it.

00:03:18.000 I want to do, you know, what Conor McGregor couldn't do.

00:03:22.000 You know, he was the best in MMA, in one combat sport.

00:03:27.000 And he wanted to beat Floyd Mayweather in another combat sport.

00:03:33.000 He wanted to be the greatest in two different combat sports.

00:03:36.000 He couldn't do it.

00:03:37.000 He failed.

00:03:38.000 And that's what I want to do.

00:03:39.000 And I think I really, really will do it.

00:03:42.000 I'm the best in kickboxing, and I want to be the best in MMA. And I think I really...

00:03:47.000 If kickboxing was as popular as MMA, do you think you'd still have the same desire to do it?

00:03:54.000 Yes.

00:03:55.000 Yes.

00:03:56.000 Because you just want to be the best.

00:03:57.000 Yeah.

00:03:58.000 Because I'm young.

00:03:59.000 I'm 26. My dreams came true.

00:04:04.000 I'm the best in kickboxing.

00:04:05.000 My nickname is the best.

00:04:07.000 And I'm really the best.

00:04:09.000 Well, I'm a big fan of yours.

00:04:11.000 Thank you.

00:04:11.000 And I was really excited to get you in here.

00:04:12.000 And one of the things I was really interested in is that you sort of changed your style.

00:04:17.000 Mm-hmm. 0.98

00:04:18.000 And you were more movement-oriented, and you would win on points, but then you started fucking people up. 0.98

00:04:23.000 You started, like people, like Nikki Holtzkin had said that about you, that you're a mover. 0.96

00:04:28.000 A runner.

00:04:28.000 Yeah, that you're a runner.

00:04:29.000 I was trying to say it nice.

00:04:32.000 That's what he said.

00:04:33.000 But man, you changed that around.

00:04:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:36.000 You're knocking people out.

00:04:38.000 Because, yeah, my first big, big fight in Glory was against Nicky Oluskin, and that was only my third fight in Glory.

00:04:49.000 As I beat the rank number two, who was Myrtle Grunald, as I beat him, they put me a tighter shot right after.

00:05:00.000 And I was like, Nicky Oluskin is really, really complicated.

00:05:04.000 And you were like 24, right?

00:05:05.000 Yeah, I was 24. That's very young.

00:05:07.000 Yeah.

00:05:07.000 Fight Nicky Holtzke.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, I was impressed by him because...

00:05:13.000 He's very good.

00:05:14.000 And I'm still impressed by him because for me he's a very, very great champ.

00:05:19.000 He was.

00:05:20.000 And I was like, I will not knock him out.

00:05:24.000 Before Glory, I used to fight every month.

00:05:26.000 Sometimes I used to fight three times a month.

00:05:30.000 Three times a month?

00:05:32.000 Really?

00:05:32.000 Yeah, because of tournaments.

00:05:34.000 I used to knock people out at the first round.

00:05:38.000 And when I saw Niki, I was like, okay, I will not go for the KO. So I trained myself to do all five rounds, to make points, and to...

00:05:47.000 And to stay myself, like funny in the ring and make a lot of movement, hit, jokes, play with the audience, share, you know, and that's what I did.

00:05:59.000 And I kept going that way.

00:06:03.000 After Nicky, I kept the same style, the same style, the same style.

00:06:06.000 And once I failed, you know, I lost a fight because of that my diet wasn't very good, you know. 0.77

00:06:15.000 I make a good first round and then I was tired as fuck so I couldn't do the job what I wanted to do. 0.82

00:06:24.000 And then I took a diet. 0.98

00:06:26.000 Now my diet is perfect.

00:06:29.000 What did you change?

00:06:30.000 Like what were you eating before?

00:06:31.000 Before I was like, okay, to prepare a fight, I start two months before the fight, the D-Day.

00:06:39.000 And then before I was like, okay, still two months.

00:06:43.000 Okay, I start tomorrow.

00:06:44.000 I start next week, the diet.

00:06:46.000 I start tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.

00:06:48.000 And then we are two weeks before the fight. 0.99

00:06:50.000 I'm like, damn, six kilos to lose. 0.98

00:06:53.000 Okay, I start today. 0.99

00:06:55.000 And then I come in a fight week and I never started the diet.

00:06:58.000 And I started in the hotel like three days before the fight.

00:07:02.000 I had five kilos to lose, six kilos to lose in three days.

00:07:07.000 And I was like, okay, I don't eat anything, no more.

00:07:10.000 Now I just train, train, sauna, training.

00:07:13.000 With no food?

00:07:14.000 With no food. 0.95

00:07:15.000 Oh, that's silly.

00:07:15.000 Even no water.

00:07:16.000 And that wasn't smart, you know?

00:07:20.000 It's so hard for people to believe that world champions do things like that.

00:07:24.000 But that is the case sometimes.

00:07:26.000 And sometimes you need a bad fight to sort of snap you out of it and realize, hey, I have to be disciplined for many, many months out in advance.

00:07:33.000 That's right.

00:07:34.000 You know what the first thing Glory said to my manager before when I won the first title?

00:07:38.000 They said, hey, Cedric is very lucky because we don't even know how.

00:07:44.000 How does he arrive at this level with no diet, no team, no trainer, nothing?

00:07:54.000 I was very surprised.

00:07:56.000 I think a lot about this and that's why now I'm very professional.

00:08:01.000 And after that diet, I start to knock everybody out.

00:08:06.000 So what did you change in your diet?

00:08:07.000 What do you eat now?

00:08:08.000 Now, it's like, you know, my diet in France, she's very famous, you know.

00:08:13.000 Her name is Cecile, Golden Coach.

00:08:17.000 Her name is Golden Coach? 1.00

00:08:18.000 Yeah, Golden Coach.

00:08:19.000 That's her real name?

00:08:20.000 No.

00:08:23.000 And yeah, and she takes care of many champions in France. 1.00

00:08:27.000 And yeah, I cannot tell you exactly what is inside my diet because it's so complicated, but I told her, hey, I don't want you to tell me how many grams and this and this and this.

00:08:41.000 Just tell me right what I need to eat Monday, Tuesday, morning, evening.

00:08:48.000 And that's what she did.

00:08:50.000 So you just follow her instructions?

00:08:51.000 Yeah, I just follow instructions.

00:08:53.000 Do you have a meal prep company?

00:08:54.000 Someone who makes the meals for you?

00:08:56.000 No, no, no.

00:08:56.000 You do it all yourself?

00:08:57.000 Not yet, yeah.

00:08:58.000 There are some in France, in Paris especially, but I didn't choose yet.

00:09:02.000 So what kind of foods are you eating?

00:09:05.000 I love African food, but African food is really, really not good for my diet.

00:09:11.000 How come?

00:09:11.000 A lot of oil, a lot of meat.

00:09:15.000 That's not good.

00:09:16.000 That sounds great.

00:09:17.000 That sounds great, but not for the weight.

00:09:20.000 No, I used to eat Japanese food.

00:09:24.000 I really like Japanese food, sushi, fish.

00:09:29.000 Asiatic food is very healthy, so I like Japanese food, Korean food also.

00:09:35.000 That's what I used to eat when I go out, restaurant.

00:09:39.000 So now what does she have you eating?

00:09:41.000 Now?

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:42.000 Now I don't have to prepare any fight.

00:09:44.000 I just keep on shape.

00:09:46.000 So I eat what I want.

00:09:48.000 You eat what you want now?

00:09:49.000 Yeah, what I want today.

00:09:51.000 Today, yes.

00:09:52.000 But starting September, then I'm going to start a new diet.

00:09:56.000 And yeah, morning is like 2x.

00:10:01.000 How much do you have to lose?

00:10:02.000 What is your normal weight?

00:10:03.000 My normal weight in kilograms is 85. 85, what is that?

00:10:09.000 Like 170, what is that?

00:10:12.000 85 kilograms to pounds?

00:10:14.000 Maybe 190?

00:10:17.000 Yeah, it's 160, 1.2.2, what?

00:10:20.000 188. 188. And you have to get down to 170. 170. Yeah.

00:10:24.000 So, when I say that in AKA, they was like, oh, you're good.

00:10:30.000 Oh, yeah, because MMA fighters lose a lot of weight.

00:10:33.000 A lot, a lot.

00:10:33.000 Yeah.

00:10:34.000 But before I was...

00:10:35.000 Before...

00:10:36.000 Oh, the biggest thing I did is in seven weeks, I lost 15. No, 17. 17 kilos.

00:10:46.000 Oh, wow.

00:10:47.000 Seven weeks.

00:10:47.000 Yeah, last time I came to AKA, I was 95. 95 is 200?

00:10:53.000 200 and...

00:10:54.000 Two plus.

00:10:55.000 Yeah.

00:10:55.000 95 kilos?

00:10:56.000 We got a little calculator here.

00:10:58.000 What is it?

00:10:58.000 210?

00:10:59.000 So you were 210 pounds?

00:11:01.000 Yeah, and seven weeks later, I lost 17 kilograms because of Cecile. 0.76

00:11:10.000 But it was very, very, very hard.

00:11:13.000 But your energy level is okay while you're doing all this?

00:11:15.000 Everything was good.

00:11:16.000 I was just training twice a day and diet, diet, every day, every day.

00:11:21.000 Now, kickboxing is huge in Europe.

00:11:24.000 I mean, it's very big.

00:11:26.000 I mean, I had Rico Verhoeven on, and we discussed this, like how enormous kickboxing is in Holland and in Europe.

00:11:35.000 And in America, for whatever reason, it never caught on.

00:11:39.000 I don't understand it.

00:11:40.000 I've been a fan of Glory, and I've been trying to tell people about them for a long time.

00:11:46.000 I cannot blame USA for that because they legalize MMA. MMA is just more attractive for people. 0.86

00:11:56.000 People who don't know shit about fighting, they just watch MMA like, oh, two people are fighting. 0.51

00:12:04.000 That's interesting. 0.97

00:12:05.000 Kickboxing and things like sports like Muay Thai, kickboxing...

00:12:11.000 If you don't know the rules, you just fight and you don't understand.

00:12:17.000 But MMA is more easy to understand.

00:12:20.000 It's just a fight between two people.

00:12:24.000 I really don't know why kickboxing is not at the same level as MMA in the USA. Well, what's crazy to me is boxing is very respected in the United States, and MMA is very respected, but one of the things that people like about MMA is stand-up.

00:12:42.000 They like the striking.

00:12:43.000 But the best striking is glory or Muay Thai.

00:12:48.000 The best elite kickboxers are the best strikers.

00:12:52.000 That's right, but I think people love the cage, people love the blood, so small gloves, you know, that's what people like.

00:13:01.000 People don't like you to, don't like, how do you say that, knockdown, they like KO or nothing, yeah.

00:13:09.000 They don't like the break and one, two, three, no.

00:13:12.000 They like, yeah, they like to see, to watch KO, so I think that's why they prefer MMA. Yeah.

00:13:18.000 Well, is there a movement at all to try to get MMA, full MMA legalized in France?

00:13:25.000 I think in January it's going to be okay.

00:13:28.000 So they're going to have to allow strikes on the ground in France?

00:13:32.000 Yeah, everything.

00:13:32.000 Soon?

00:13:33.000 Soon, in January.

00:13:35.000 Oh, in January.

00:13:36.000 Oh, in January.

00:13:37.000 Oh, okay.

00:13:38.000 And I think UFC is going to come in France.

00:13:40.000 So there'll probably be UFC in Paris.

00:13:41.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:13:42.000 Okay.

00:13:43.000 That sounds wild.

00:13:44.000 Yeah.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, well...

00:13:46.000 The more guys like you get involved in MMA, though, the more it complicates kickboxing, though, because when elite fighters, world champions like yourself make a jump to MMA, then people might look at kickboxing as a stepping stone instead of as a valid individual sport.

00:14:03.000 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:14:05.000 But you mean when a guy steps from kickboxing to MMA? Yeah, maybe people won't care as much about kickboxing because they'll look at it as a stepping stone to MMA. Yeah, yeah, of course.

00:14:17.000 And yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:14:19.000 That's what I want to do also because I think...

00:14:23.000 For a guy from kickboxing to go in MMA, it's not really difficult for him if you learn the ground game.

00:14:33.000 Wrestling takedown defense.

00:14:35.000 Yeah, wrestling takedown defense.

00:14:36.000 If you learn that, it's going to be more simple than a guy who comes from Muay Thai.

00:14:45.000 It's really different, like kickboxing.

00:14:47.000 Kickboxing, when you fight in kickboxing, you move a lot already.

00:14:51.000 You're not a standing target.

00:14:54.000 Instead of Muay Thai, if you watch Muay Thai fights, they don't move a lot.

00:14:59.000 They stay still, and the fight is all about power kicks, power punches.

00:15:07.000 Why do you think that's different?

00:15:09.000 Because of the clinch, because of elbows and knees?

00:15:12.000 Because of the movement, the movement in MMA, they stay still.

00:15:16.000 And in kickboxing, there is no, you know, there is no break, you know, they just keep fighting one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three.

00:15:23.000 And in Muay Thai, it's more like one, one, one, elbow, knees.

00:15:28.000 And yeah, also, but the clinch is good for MMA because then, you know, in MMA, yeah, the Thai clinch.

00:15:34.000 Yeah, of course, this is good for MMA. Now, in France, is it easy to get wrestling?

00:15:40.000 Do you get wrestling training?

00:15:43.000 In France, I get grappling training.

00:15:45.000 I think here in the USA, you call that BGG no-gi.

00:15:49.000 Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu no-gi, yeah.

00:15:51.000 That's why I'm training in France.

00:15:54.000 What about takedowns or takedown defense, wrestling?

00:15:57.000 But, you know, this style of no-gi training I get is a little bit different, like, as BGG, because we start on our feet, and we used to wrestle, and then after the takedown, we continue.

00:16:15.000 So it's not like an Olympic wrestling, but they call that luta libre.

00:16:21.000 I don't know if you have already.

00:16:23.000 Yes.

00:16:23.000 No, Luta Libre is what they call it in Brazil, but I know what you're saying.

00:16:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:29.000 In America, most Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, they start on the ground already.

00:16:33.000 They'll start on the knees or something like that to avoid accidents.

00:16:36.000 Because, you know, you've got a class full of 40 people rolling around together and they're trying to tackle each other and collide and people blow their knees out and things like that.

00:16:43.000 That's crazy.

00:16:44.000 So, that's why I'm training in Paris.

00:16:47.000 Very big team.

00:16:48.000 The coaches made the hot man.

00:16:50.000 He's very good.

00:16:51.000 And he's safe for the future.

00:16:54.000 I'm very, very, very good.

00:16:54.000 I learn fast.

00:16:56.000 I learn very fast.

00:16:57.000 Of course.

00:16:58.000 You're an elite athlete.

00:16:59.000 Now, at 26, how much time do you think you need between now and when you have your first MMA fight?

00:17:07.000 You know, what is my dream now?

00:17:11.000 Now I beat everybody, so I'm getting bored in kickboxing.

00:17:16.000 I'm still defending my title because I like it, because of the cash price also.

00:17:23.000 My dream is I'm still in contract for one year and a half.

00:17:30.000 A little bit more than one year.

00:17:33.000 My dream is to prepare myself to MMA. During one year, so I still got time.

00:17:41.000 And after the end of the contract, directly go to UFC and take the champ for a direct title shot or a top 5 ranked guy.

00:17:56.000 I really, really would like to fight Nate Diaz or Anthony Perez for my first fight MMA. Why?

00:18:10.000 Only to shock the world. 0.71

00:18:11.000 To show everybody that a guy who comes from kickboxing, directly his first fight is against a top guy in MMA and he fucks him up.

00:18:24.000 So, that's what I want to do.

00:18:25.000 And I really, really believe in me, and I know I can and I will do it.

00:18:30.000 Now, have you been in talks with the UFC? Does the UFC know about your plans?

00:18:36.000 Not yet.

00:18:37.000 Well, they do now.

00:18:38.000 Not yet.

00:18:40.000 But I think after this show, there we have already.

00:18:42.000 Now they're going to know.

00:18:44.000 So you're training at AKA. Was that the first time you ever trained up there?

00:18:48.000 No, that's my second time.

00:18:49.000 Second time.

00:18:49.000 When did you train before?

00:18:50.000 Before was one year ago, November.

00:18:53.000 I came here after my glory fight.

00:18:57.000 I broke my ribs.

00:18:59.000 So I took a little bit of vacation in Thailand, and then after that, yeah, I just fly to AKA San Jose, and yeah, I met everybody, DC, Khabib wasn't there, but I met there a lot of great, great teammates.

00:19:16.000 The Western level is just amazing there, so I met Javier Mendez.

00:19:22.000 Javier Mendez, yeah.

00:19:24.000 So that's a great camp for a guy like you too because it's very wrestling heavy.

00:19:28.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 That's what I like.

00:19:31.000 I want to train, you know, what did I say to Mehdi in France?

00:19:35.000 I say I want to train wrestling like I want to be a world champion of wrestling, you know?

00:19:42.000 So I just want to train wrestling like a wrestler.

00:19:44.000 I don't just want to train my takedown defense or shit like that. 0.79

00:19:49.000 No. 0.81

00:19:50.000 I want people to be afraid of me on the ground, you know?

00:19:53.000 As I learn fast, as I really like it, I think that's the level I want to get.

00:20:00.000 And how is it going when you train at AKA? Are you hanging in there?

00:20:04.000 Do you find it uncomfortable? 0.99

00:20:07.000 Of course, as a striker, in striking, yeah, my level is higher than anybody else in AKA, but in the ground, yeah, they are fucking, fucking strong. 0.99

00:20:21.000 So, yeah. 0.98

00:20:24.000 Everybody, I tap.

00:20:25.000 Every day I tap.

00:20:27.000 Yeah, for the moment.

00:20:30.000 You have plans on tapping.

00:20:33.000 Yeah, of course.

00:20:34.000 For the moment I tap because I'm learning.

00:20:37.000 They say I learn very, very, very fast.

00:20:40.000 They show me once and then I get it.

00:20:42.000 Five minutes later I get it.

00:20:45.000 I feel very confident for the future in MMA. I think I will do it.

00:20:51.000 Well, I'm hoping you do.

00:20:53.000 It's always exciting to see world champions, particularly kickboxing, make that way to MMA and to the UFC. And for a guy like you, it's a perfect thing because you're so young, because you're 26 and you're already a very accomplished world champion.

00:21:08.000 That's right.

00:21:10.000 I'm thinking about Israel, Alistair.

00:21:15.000 He in Ada, he couldn't do it.

00:21:18.000 Well, he was very smart.

00:21:21.000 Israel, the way he planned it, he really worked on his takedown defense and made sure that by the time he made it to the UFC, he was already at an elite level.

00:21:29.000 Yeah, he was an elite, but he got a tighter shot in glory and he lost.

00:21:35.000 And after that, he went to UFC, you know?

00:21:39.000 That's what I want to do.

00:21:41.000 I want to be the only one to be able to do that.

00:21:48.000 Glory kickboxing champ and then UFC champ.

00:21:51.000 He fought Willness, right?

00:21:53.000 Willness, yeah.

00:21:54.000 Very close fight.

00:21:55.000 It was very close.

00:21:56.000 I thought he won.

00:21:57.000 Some people tell you why, and some know.

00:22:01.000 But Jason Willness is elite.

00:22:03.000 He's a very high level fighter.

00:22:06.000 Glory is so exciting.

00:22:08.000 I'm such a fan.

00:22:09.000 I love watching it.

00:22:10.000 It's one of my favorite things to watch.

00:22:13.000 It drives me crazy that it's not popular.

00:22:16.000 And I was very excited when it was on Spike TV in America.

00:22:19.000 They were making a big deal out of it.

00:22:21.000 It looked like they were going to You know, try to promote it as much as possible, and they tried it for a little while, and then they stopped.

00:22:27.000 And now it's on ESPN a little bit, and it's on UFC Fight Pass, which is great.

00:22:32.000 I think the country where Glory is very, very most popular is in Holland, I think.

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 And France is also popular, you know.

00:22:40.000 Yes.

00:22:40.000 Some people recognize me in the street when I walk in France, yeah, because of Glory.

00:22:46.000 It's very popular in Europe.

00:22:49.000 Well, Mertel Groenhart, is he the guy that you're fighting next? 0.96

00:22:53.000 He's the guy who wants me to beat his ass next, but I don't know if I will fight him next. 0.84

00:22:59.000 Do you have a fight scheduled next? 0.99

00:23:02.000 Not yet. 1.00

00:23:03.000 Because Growing Heart's been talking a lot of shit. 1.00

00:23:05.000 Yeah, he's talking a lot of shit. 1.00

00:23:07.000 He knows I'm the money fighter, so that's why he's talking against me. 0.99

00:23:13.000 I would like to fight Myrtle next, because when we fight each other, people really, really like it. 1.00

00:23:20.000 It's a great fight.

00:23:21.000 He's very good.

00:23:21.000 He's a very good fighter.

00:23:22.000 He's very entertaining, and yeah, people like it.

00:23:26.000 But you've already beaten him?

00:23:27.000 Sorry?

00:23:28.000 Have you already beaten him?

00:23:29.000 Yeah, of course.

00:23:30.000 Yes.

00:23:30.000 Of course.

00:23:31.000 How did that fight go?

00:23:33.000 I'm trying to remember.

00:23:34.000 I won by point, but it wasn't a good fight for me, you know?

00:23:40.000 It wasn't a good...

00:23:41.000 When I look at that fight today, yeah, for sure, I'm saying that it wasn't...

00:23:44.000 Was that four years ago?

00:23:45.000 How many years ago was that?

00:23:46.000 Yeah, four years ago.

00:23:47.000 Four years ago...

00:23:48.000 Yeah, four years ago, yeah, before the belt, yeah, four or five years ago.

00:23:53.000 I was in Paris, and yeah, I won the fight.

00:23:57.000 And yeah, for me, it's going to be interesting if I fight him, because I fought everybody in that division.

00:24:03.000 So I don't know who they're going to be, who's going to be my next opponent, but yeah, it sounds good for Myrtle. 0.99

00:24:10.000 And then, yeah, it's going to be only rematch, you know, only rematch, rematch, rematch for them.

00:24:16.000 So, from then out, one year plus, then you make your way into the world of the UFC, no matter what?

00:24:24.000 Even if Glory comes with more money, if Glory's like, listen, Dumbe, we love you!

00:24:30.000 Stick around!

00:24:31.000 No, I really like Glory.

00:24:33.000 You know, Glory is my first great experience as a real champ.

00:24:40.000 And they're doing a great job for me.

00:24:43.000 You know, I'm I really like Glory, but...

00:24:48.000 I have to think about me first.

00:24:50.000 Right.

00:24:51.000 Your legacy.

00:24:52.000 Yeah, my legacy.

00:24:54.000 I like to do what I love to do.

00:24:57.000 For the moment, I love kickboxing.

00:24:59.000 I love defending my title.

00:25:01.000 I love the glory event, the team.

00:25:07.000 I love everybody and everything in glory.

00:25:11.000 But tomorrow, I don't know.

00:25:13.000 I don't know.

00:25:14.000 I'm just going to follow my...

00:25:16.000 My goal, follow my needs.

00:25:20.000 I want to be, I hope, the first French UFC champion.

00:25:29.000 That's what I want.

00:25:31.000 I want to choke the world.

00:25:32.000 I want to write my story and a new story.

00:25:37.000 People never heard about it.

00:25:40.000 Even if Glory comes with big, big, big money, no.

00:25:43.000 I just want to follow what I want to do.

00:25:46.000 You just have a plan.

00:25:47.000 Yeah, I have a plan.

00:25:48.000 And I know I will get more after that, so I will not fail.

00:25:52.000 I'm confident.

00:25:53.000 So you've been out here now, you went to the UFC event, and then you did some training at AKA. Like, when you are outside of camp, say, like, whenever your fight is scheduled, how much, what kind of training are you doing when you're not in camp?

00:26:09.000 Are you mixing it up now and trying to do a lot of jiu-jitsu, a lot of BJJ? When I'm not in camp, what I do, so my conditioning trainer, Valentino Gargiulo, he follow me everywhere.

00:26:22.000 He's with me today.

00:26:23.000 And we just train strange conditioning because before that was my weakness, the condition.

00:26:31.000 I used to knock everybody out at the first round.

00:26:34.000 So I never trained my condition.

00:26:37.000 I never took it very serious because I used to knock people out at the first round.

00:26:42.000 So... 0.97

00:26:43.000 When I did my first five rounds, I was like, wow, damn, the conditioning is so important. 0.84

00:26:49.000 So that's why I'm training a lot, you know, strength, for sure, conditioning. 0.88

00:26:54.000 And also, yeah, when I don't have a kickboxing fight plan, I train BGG, I train wrestling, MMA. It's a completely different condition.

00:27:07.000 It's crazy.

00:27:08.000 When you wrestle with a guy and then you get up and you're trying to strike.

00:27:13.000 You're exhausted.

00:27:14.000 Your arms are filled with blood.

00:27:16.000 You don't feel nothing anymore.

00:27:17.000 Your legs.

00:27:18.000 It's very crazy.

00:27:19.000 Now, what kind of strength and conditioning are you doing?

00:27:22.000 And how often are you doing it?

00:27:24.000 Say, if you're preparing for a fight, how many days a week do you do strength and conditioning?

00:27:28.000 When I'm preparing for a fight, every day.

00:27:32.000 Every day?

00:27:33.000 Every day.

00:27:34.000 It's not, of course, it's not the same training, but every day I see Valentino and we train together, yeah.

00:27:40.000 Every day.

00:27:41.000 I train more conditioning and strength, more than kickboxing.

00:27:45.000 Really?

00:27:46.000 Yeah, I don't have a trainer in kickboxing.

00:27:48.000 What?

00:27:50.000 That's right.

00:27:51.000 What?

00:27:51.000 Yeah.

00:27:51.000 Really?

00:27:52.000 People don't believe, doesn't believe when I say that, but I don't know.

00:27:55.000 You train yourself?

00:27:56.000 I train myself.

00:27:57.000 That's insane.

00:27:58.000 I have, of course, my friend in France who holds meat for me.

00:28:03.000 I can hold meat for myself.

00:28:06.000 He holds meat for me and we just talk together.

00:28:09.000 We just plan a game plan together for a fight.

00:28:14.000 I'm my own coach.

00:28:15.000 That is crazy.

00:28:17.000 I never had a coach.

00:28:18.000 To be at your level?

00:28:19.000 Yeah.

00:28:19.000 To be your own coach?

00:28:20.000 You've never had a coach?

00:28:21.000 No.

00:28:22.000 Of course, I had a first.

00:28:24.000 Guys who teach you.

00:28:24.000 Teach me.

00:28:25.000 After that, he couldn't teach me anymore because of his job, you know, when I was young.

00:28:31.000 And then I just moved to country and countries and countries to learn, to learn, to learn, and then came back in France, Paris, and I just trained myself.

00:28:40.000 That is insane.

00:28:41.000 How many world champions just trained themselves?

00:28:44.000 I think nobody.

00:28:46.000 How do you do that?

00:28:48.000 That sounds crazy, but why didn't you get another coach?

00:28:51.000 I don't know because I didn't find a coach who can just teach me.

00:28:57.000 I really don't know.

00:28:58.000 That's a good question.

00:28:59.000 I don't know why I didn't find a new coach.

00:29:04.000 I don't know.

00:29:05.000 Have you thought about making any trips to Holland or to Thailand?

00:29:09.000 You know Bordeaux in France?

00:29:11.000 Sure.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, so I was raised there.

00:29:14.000 That's where I started kickboxing.

00:29:16.000 I started with Full Contact.

00:29:17.000 You know Full Contact?

00:29:18.000 Sure.

00:29:18.000 Rick Rufus was my first idol.

00:29:21.000 Really?

00:29:21.000 Yeah.

00:29:22.000 Oh, wow.

00:29:22.000 I was watching Rick Rufus every day.

00:29:24.000 His brother, Duke, is one of the big coaches in MMA today.

00:29:27.000 Yeah, his name is his brother.

00:29:29.000 Duke.

00:29:30.000 Duke Rufus.

00:29:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:32.000 He's a friend of mine.

00:29:33.000 He's great.

00:29:34.000 Oh, nice.

00:29:34.000 Yeah, he's out of Milwaukee.

00:29:36.000 He has Rufus sport.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:38.000 So when I started Full Contact, I was watching all the fight of Rick Rufus.

00:29:43.000 Rick Rufus, the jet. 0.99

00:29:44.000 Especially Rick Rufus against Rob Cameron, who was fucked. 1.00

00:29:47.000 The first and the second was crazy, crazy, crazy. 0.99

00:29:50.000 Recruits against Ernesto Oost for a contact fight.

00:29:55.000 So after my first coach couldn't teach me anymore, I just flew to Amsterdam.

00:30:05.000 Because of, yeah, because of Kaman, you know, in my mind, I was thinking about, okay, where is the best kickboxer on the planet?

00:30:12.000 Holland.

00:30:13.000 So I went to Holland with Jero Jim, was famous, because of Rob Kaman, because of Remy Bozhansky.

00:30:19.000 Sure.

00:30:20.000 I went to Medjugorje, I trained there maybe two years.

00:30:24.000 I was flying Bordeaux, Amsterdam during two years.

00:30:30.000 The coach was Andre Manard.

00:30:32.000 He teached me a lot.

00:30:34.000 I learned a lot there.

00:30:36.000 And when I figured out that I couldn't learn any more else in Madrid, I just went to Belgium because I met Samir Majoubi.

00:30:46.000 He's a very, very great coach.

00:30:48.000 For me, he's the best coach I never had.

00:30:51.000 Well, why wouldn't you spend your camps with him then?

00:30:54.000 Why?

00:30:55.000 Because we met each other at an event in France and then I saw one of his fighters.

00:31:03.000 He was fighting.

00:31:04.000 And then when I saw his technique, his condition, his first round...

00:31:12.000 Was looking the same at his fifth round.

00:31:14.000 It was crazy.

00:31:15.000 A very, very high level condition.

00:31:17.000 His name is Mohamed Endouf. 0.90

00:31:19.000 Was very crazy. 0.92

00:31:20.000 And I say, that's like this I want to fight.

00:31:23.000 He was so technical, you know.

00:31:25.000 And I say, that's like this I want to fight.

00:31:28.000 I went to Belgium in Brussels and I trained with him.

00:31:31.000 Also, two years, I was driving Paris-Brussels, Paris-Brussels, two years.

00:31:38.000 During two years, I trained with him.

00:31:40.000 And that's with Samir that I won my first belt against Nicky Horskan.

00:31:46.000 If you watch my fight before Nicky Horskan and the fight against Nicky Horskan, he's completely two different fighters.

00:31:53.000 So why don't you do your camps with him now?

00:31:55.000 Now, because he lives in Brussels.

00:31:57.000 Oh, because it's too hard to get to Brussels.

00:31:59.000 Yeah, it's too hard.

00:32:00.000 I can't anymore do that.

00:32:02.000 So, that's why I left Samir.

00:32:04.000 But Samir is still in my corner when I fight.

00:32:07.000 He just come, you know, but I don't train anymore with Samir.

00:32:11.000 So, there's no one in Paris?

00:32:13.000 No, no.

00:32:14.000 Or in Bordeaux that you can...

00:32:16.000 For me, the best, the best, the best trainer, the best school is in Brussels, the Queensberry gym.

00:32:22.000 And I never found another team with that kind of level.

00:32:27.000 So I cannot train with any coach, you know, and I just train myself.

00:32:32.000 My friend holds me for me.

00:32:33.000 I train with Valentino, the conditioning training.

00:32:37.000 For me, it was more important than the kickboxing.

00:32:40.000 Everybody knows how to kickbox now.

00:32:42.000 We know how to kickbox, but the difference we make with the condition for me.

00:32:48.000 That's interesting.

00:32:49.000 You know, there's a thought process that follows those lines in MMA. And it's Marv Marinovich and this guy Nick Curzon, and they've only trained a few fighters, but they've had very high levels of success because of their conditioning.

00:33:05.000 And what they say is that you already know how to fight.

00:33:07.000 So just let's concentrate on the conditioning.

00:33:09.000 It gets your conditioning to a super high level, and that when you're fighting, you can just go.

00:33:16.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:33:17.000 That's what I say every time when I give advices to people.

00:33:22.000 They say, what should I train?

00:33:23.000 This, this, this technique?

00:33:24.000 I say, listen.

00:33:27.000 Between two fighters in the same level, the same experience, what's going to make the difference, the condition in the fight? 0.98

00:33:36.000 If you fight one, two, three rounds and then you're fucked up, you're going to lose the fight. 0.55

00:33:41.000 But if you fight five rounds, even if you're not good enough technically, you're going to win the fight for sure. 0.93

00:33:50.000 Because you don't get tired.

00:33:52.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:33:53.000 Now, another crazy thing about you that people might not know is that you're a comedian.

00:33:59.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:34:00.000 You're a stand-up comedian.

00:34:01.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:34:02.000 Which is hilarious.

00:34:03.000 Before, before.

00:34:04.000 But for you to be a world champion kickboxer and a stand-up comedian, that is a very unusual combination.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:34:12.000 Because first, my first dream, and that's still my dream today, is to become an actor, a comedian.

00:34:20.000 Before I started combat sport, I was doing stand-up.

00:34:25.000 I was in high school also.

00:34:28.000 I was learning comedy and stuff, acting.

00:34:33.000 I really liked it.

00:34:35.000 And then came the combat sport.

00:34:37.000 And then I started to improve myself to become, yeah, more to fight, to fight, to fight.

00:34:42.000 And then I stopped a little bit, yeah, stand-up acting.

00:34:47.000 But three months ago, I was, I played in a small movie, short movie in France.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, I played, it's gonna, it's gonna go out in a few, in a few, few weeks.

00:34:58.000 Now, when you do stand-up in Paris, are you working at comedy clubs?

00:35:04.000 Like, do they have comedy clubs in Paris?

00:35:06.000 It's not in Paris.

00:35:08.000 Comedy club in Bordeaux.

00:35:10.000 In Bordeaux?

00:35:10.000 Yeah.

00:35:11.000 I was very young.

00:35:12.000 I was still young.

00:35:14.000 But I was, yeah, 18, 19. And so Bordeaux has comedy clubs?

00:35:18.000 Yes, comedy clubs.

00:35:19.000 And it's all obviously in French.

00:35:21.000 In French, of course, yeah, not in English.

00:35:23.000 Right.

00:35:23.000 Have you ever done comedy in English?

00:35:25.000 Never.

00:35:26.000 Never?

00:35:26.000 Oh, yes.

00:35:27.000 One, I think you can find it on YouTube.

00:35:31.000 I was teaching people how to cook a great chicken.

00:35:39.000 Yeah, I did that with Glory.

00:35:42.000 I was promoting my second fight against Nika Olskun, and I was training in Belgium, Brussels, and I did it with Glory.

00:35:51.000 You can find it on YouTube.

00:35:53.000 So, is that something you would think of doing once you retire from fighting?

00:35:57.000 Yeah, I really want to do it.

00:35:59.000 That's my first...

00:36:01.000 My first way, that's what I really, really want to do in front, yeah, in the top of my bottom, in the top of my heart, that's what I want to become.

00:36:10.000 Yeah, because I read that if you had to choose between being a famous comedian or a famous fighter, you would choose to be a famous comedian.

00:36:16.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:36:17.000 Really?

00:36:17.000 Yeah, really.

00:36:18.000 But that's so crazy when you see how good you are at fighting.

00:36:20.000 Yeah, you know, people, people doesn't believe when I say that, but if, if I didn't find a, if kickboxing didn't found me, because I think I didn't find, I didn't found kickboxing, kickboxing found me.

00:36:36.000 If kickboxing never found me, I would follow my way in comedy stuff.

00:36:43.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:36:45.000 Now I'm good in kickboxing, so I just follow myself.

00:36:48.000 Well, you're better than good.

00:36:50.000 Thank you.

00:36:50.000 Now, how did kickboxing find you?

00:36:54.000 You said it found you.

00:36:55.000 Because I was 16, so 10 years ago I was 16 and I was playing soccer and I wasn't that good.

00:37:08.000 I was just fast, you know, fast and in front of the goal I was falling.

00:37:15.000 No, I wasn't that good, you know.

00:37:16.000 And one day my cousin just called me and he said, hey, in front of the house, in the neighborhood, there is a gym.

00:37:27.000 Boxing is there.

00:37:30.000 I thought there was boxing like Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson.

00:37:34.000 I said, yeah, but so what?

00:37:37.000 He said, yeah, let's go try.

00:37:39.000 It's going to be, maybe it's going to be funny.

00:37:41.000 You know, I saw, I saw people who goes out from there.

00:37:45.000 They had the, how you call it?

00:37:47.000 Black eye.

00:37:47.000 Yeah, black eye.

00:37:48.000 He said, it's going to, it should be funny.

00:37:50.000 I said, okay, once we're going to, we're going to go there.

00:37:53.000 So after my soccer training, I went there once, I tried, and I discovered that it was full contact with legs, with high kick, middle kick.

00:38:05.000 It was a little bit strange, but I just follow, I just train, getting better and better, and yes, I like it.

00:38:11.000 So immediately you caught the ball?

00:38:13.000 Yeah, immediately.

00:38:14.000 After my first training, I went there.

00:38:16.000 And you know that my mother was against that.

00:38:21.000 She said, no, no, no, I don't want you to fight.

00:38:24.000 I don't want you to train boxing.

00:38:26.000 I don't want any boxing in this house.

00:38:29.000 I cried when she said that because I really like full contact combat sports.

00:38:35.000 So I cried when she told me that.

00:38:37.000 And I was training, but she doesn't know that.

00:38:43.000 Secret?

00:38:44.000 Yeah, secret was secret.

00:38:46.000 How old were you when you had your first fight?

00:38:47.000 My first 17. She didn't know.

00:38:52.000 So this was full contact?

00:38:53.000 Full contact, yeah.

00:38:54.000 I did maybe three years full contact and then I had to kick back.

00:38:58.000 Let's explain to people who don't know.

00:38:59.000 Full contact is no leg kicks.

00:39:02.000 Yeah.

00:39:02.000 No.

00:39:03.000 Full contact is no low kicks.

00:39:05.000 Low kicks.

00:39:06.000 Yeah.

00:39:07.000 Leg kicks.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:08.000 That's what I mean.

00:39:09.000 Kick the legs. 0.99

00:39:10.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:39:10.000 Low kicks. 0.94

00:39:10.000 Only middle kicks. 0.94

00:39:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:12.000 You guys have different terminology.

00:39:14.000 We call it low kick.

00:39:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:16.000 We call it leg kicks.

00:39:17.000 Leg kicks.

00:39:18.000 Yeah, but low kicks is correct.

00:39:19.000 Low kicks is correct. 0.98

00:39:20.000 So you just can't kick the legs, which is interesting because that's very effective and you're very good at that.

00:39:25.000 That's a big part of your game right now.

00:39:28.000 But I'm better in boxing because I start with full contact.

00:39:35.000 It's a little bit similar to boxing, the way you move, the way you fight because no low kicks, no leg kicks.

00:39:43.000 So yeah, it's a little bit similar to boxing.

00:39:46.000 When I was training Full Contact, I was watching a lot of Muhammad Ali.

00:39:52.000 A lot of movement.

00:39:53.000 Yeah, a lot of movement.

00:39:55.000 I'm better in boxing when I fight kickboxing.

00:39:58.000 When did your mom find out?

00:40:02.000 After one year, after my first fight, she was like, where was you?

00:40:09.000 I said, no, I was in the soccer training.

00:40:12.000 And she said, why do you have gloves?

00:40:14.000 I said, oh, sometimes I go to watch boxing.

00:40:17.000 And she said, I told you, I don't want you to watch and to fight.

00:40:21.000 I said, no, no, no, I don't.

00:40:23.000 I'm not training, just watching.

00:40:25.000 She said, no, I don't want it.

00:40:27.000 And every day I just went to train, to train, to train.

00:40:31.000 And she doesn't see me with any black eye or things like that.

00:40:37.000 So one day she was very, very tired.

00:40:39.000 And I said, yeah, mom, listen, I went to the boxing training.

00:40:44.000 And she was like, okay.

00:40:46.000 And then the day after I went to the boxing training, she was like, okay.

00:40:51.000 I think because she didn't see me with any black eyes, that's why she was scared first.

00:40:58.000 Right, she didn't want you to get hurt.

00:40:59.000 Yeah, and then she just accepted the thing because I make, in French we call that forcing. 0.99

00:41:05.000 I just went to the training like, fuck it, I like it, so I do it. 0.94

00:41:10.000 What do you say in French? 1.00

00:41:12.000 Forcing.

00:41:13.000 Forcing?

00:41:13.000 Yeah, forcing.

00:41:14.000 Like, we just go.

00:41:17.000 You don't care if someone say don't do that. 1.00

00:41:21.000 It's like, fuck it. 1.00

00:41:21.000 Yeah, like, fuck it. 1.00

00:41:23.000 And let me show you a video of my mom. 1.00

00:41:27.000 So it's very funny because sometimes I send her this video.

00:41:31.000 I say, look at you.

00:41:34.000 Look at you.

00:41:35.000 You didn't want me to fight first, and now look at you.

00:41:39.000 And now she's very excited.

00:41:41.000 Well, I mean, she must be happy that you're doing it now, now that you're a world champion.

00:41:44.000 Yeah, she's very happy.

00:41:45.000 She gets to watch you on television.

00:41:47.000 Yeah, that's my motivation, my mom.

00:41:49.000 Oh, that's beautiful.

00:41:50.000 Yeah, for me it's everything.

00:41:51.000 If I count through my stories, it's amazing.

00:41:54.000 My mom did everything for my sister and me.

00:41:57.000 Oh, look at your mom! 1.00

00:42:05.000 Oh, that's amazing.

00:42:08.000 Wow, that's incredible, man.

00:42:13.000 Oh, man.

00:42:14.000 Yeah.

00:42:15.000 Oh, that's amazing.

00:42:16.000 That's amazing.

00:42:17.000 And now she's like that.

00:42:19.000 That's got to be so crazy.

00:42:20.000 Imagine if you're a mother. 1.00

00:42:21.000 You give birth to a boy.

00:42:23.000 You give birth to a child.

00:42:25.000 And then you grow that child.

00:42:26.000 You raise that child.

00:42:27.000 And then you watch that child become a world champion.

00:42:29.000 Yeah.

00:42:29.000 That must be crazy.

00:42:30.000 It's crazy. 0.53

00:42:31.000 You're a baby.

00:42:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:33.000 You're a baby. 1.00

00:42:33.000 Fucking people up. 1.00

00:42:37.000 And she's like, and when I, when I, sometime when I talk with my mother, I say, listen, I really, I do my best in the gym. 0.99

00:42:46.000 I train every day harder and harder to, um, uh, to, to knock people out.

00:42:54.000 And I really hope that I will never get Knockout.

00:42:58.000 Because I don't want you to see me fall down.

00:43:02.000 I don't want her to feel this kind of emotion.

00:43:06.000 I just want her to be happy that I won.

00:43:10.000 So you train very hard.

00:43:12.000 There it is.

00:43:13.000 We're watching the video here.

00:43:14.000 That is an amazing video.

00:43:16.000 Look at you strutting too.

00:43:18.000 And you know, the woman she's hugging, she doesn't even know her.

00:43:24.000 It's crazy.

00:43:25.000 Your last fight against, how do you say his name, Nabiev?

00:43:28.000 Alim Nabiev. 1.00

00:43:29.000 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker, man. 1.00

00:43:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:31.000 He's very good. 1.00

00:43:32.000 And for you to knock him out like that, the way you did.

00:43:35.000 Nobody knock him out in glory.

00:43:36.000 No.

00:43:37.000 He's very tricky.

00:43:38.000 Yeah, he's tricky.

00:43:39.000 He's sneaky.

00:43:39.000 Yeah.

00:43:39.000 That guy fights very technicals.

00:43:41.000 Yeah.

00:43:42.000 Yeah.

00:43:42.000 But I was so focused, you know, on that fight because...

00:43:45.000 Did you ever see Robin...

00:43:47.000 Do you know who Robin Black is?

00:43:48.000 No.

00:43:48.000 Robin Black is a friend of mine and he breaks down fights.

00:43:52.000 Yeah.

00:43:53.000 He talks about, like, what someone did that worked so well.

00:43:56.000 The guy who said, enjoy the hostility, my friends.

00:43:59.000 Yes.

00:44:01.000 That's exact.

00:44:02.000 I saw the video.

00:44:03.000 He's famous for saying, bink. 1.00

00:44:04.000 Bing, bink, bink. 0.98

00:44:07.000 I know, okay?

00:44:08.000 Yeah, I love that guy.

00:44:09.000 He's a good friend of mine.

00:44:10.000 But he did a breakdown of your fight, the way you set up that right hand, the way you knocked him out.

00:44:16.000 It was very cool.

00:44:16.000 It's very cool to see that getting more and more attention.

00:44:20.000 Nabiev is very good, man.

00:44:22.000 So for you to set him up like that...

00:44:24.000 The second round, as I say before the fight, I say I will knock him out at the second round.

00:44:29.000 Because the second round, the first one for me is just warming up.

00:44:32.000 And then the second round, I feel very, very good.

00:44:35.000 That is the most dangerous round when you fight against me.

00:44:38.000 Because the second round, I'm wrong, you know.

00:44:41.000 I'm just ready.

00:44:43.000 I'm ready for everything.

00:44:44.000 So, he's a very good fighter.

00:44:46.000 You set a trap for him, though.

00:44:48.000 A trap?

00:44:48.000 Yeah, the way you set that right hand up.

00:44:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:52.000 For me...

00:44:53.000 I just followed my plan.

00:44:56.000 I just wanted to fight.

00:44:58.000 I didn't want him to read my movements.

00:45:06.000 The KO came before that knee because I touched him with the left hook and the right hook. 1.00

00:45:12.000 He was wobbly on his legs and then he just threw a knee and boom.

00:45:18.000 That was the finish.

00:45:20.000 That was very impressive.

00:45:21.000 Very impressive to knock that guy out.

00:45:23.000 And that has to be...

00:45:24.000 So, as you're looking at your career now, and you're saying that there's no one else to beat, after you knock out a guy like Nabiyev, does that make it harder for you to get motivated?

00:45:35.000 No, because for me, the more I win fights, the more I'm getting to the top of the world, like UFC champ.

00:45:42.000 And maybe after the UFC belt, I will have another, I don't know, maybe an Olympic champ.

00:45:51.000 Wrestling?

00:45:52.000 That's hilarious.

00:45:53.000 That would be crazy.

00:45:54.000 No, for me, I still get...

00:45:56.000 Because if I... Now I'm glory champ, so if I lose my title defense now, I will go down.

00:46:03.000 So I need to keep the same level.

00:46:06.000 Yeah, the same level.

00:46:07.000 So that's what motivates me.

00:46:09.000 Yeah.

00:46:10.000 So when you were telling me that you do strength and conditioning every day, what kind of stuff are you doing?

00:46:14.000 Today, we talked today and you said that you were running on the beach.

00:46:17.000 Yeah.

00:46:18.000 So today I wanted to train first.

00:46:21.000 It's not strange, but it's like...

00:46:24.000 I don't know how to call that in English, but it's like conditioning training we want to do.

00:46:35.000 And I think that's what we will do after.

00:46:38.000 Conditioning with...

00:46:39.000 Assault bike.

00:46:41.000 Assault bike, yeah.

00:46:41.000 Assault bike.

00:46:42.000 All those are amazing.

00:46:43.000 Also running.

00:46:45.000 I saw your different stuff.

00:46:47.000 Also running.

00:46:48.000 And he's training me the same way.

00:46:53.000 I have to feel the same thing I feel inside the cage, inside the ring.

00:46:57.000 So that's the conditioning training.

00:47:00.000 So today was a relaxed run.

00:47:03.000 Relaxed running.

00:47:03.000 And yeah, tonight is going to be harder, you know.

00:47:06.000 Where are you training tonight?

00:47:08.000 Tonight, I think I will train right after the show in your gym.

00:47:12.000 Alright!

00:47:14.000 I gotta take a picture of that.

00:47:17.000 So I think I will train there because your gym is so full, it's so complete, so exhaustive.

00:47:24.000 Cool.

00:47:25.000 I like it.

00:47:26.000 You will see how we're going to train.

00:47:28.000 I cannot talk about...

00:47:29.000 I'm like...

00:47:31.000 Secretive?

00:47:31.000 Yeah, you're the coach.

00:47:33.000 Tell me what I do.

00:47:34.000 Push-ups, okay, I just do it.

00:47:36.000 Sometimes I ask questions like, when I'm in the cage, in the ring, why do I need to do that?

00:47:42.000 And then he explained to me, and then I, okay, let's go.

00:47:46.000 But no, I can talk about exactly the training, what does that mean?

00:47:52.000 So he has you do a lot of cardio exercises, but...

00:47:56.000 I just want him to, yeah, that's what I say before we start a training camp.

00:47:59.000 I say, hey, I want my cardio better than ever, and I want to keep my power, even improve my power.

00:48:07.000 He say, I got you.

00:48:08.000 And then we go.

00:48:09.000 So is there a lot of weightlifting as well?

00:48:12.000 No.

00:48:13.000 Not a lot.

00:48:14.000 We need to, maybe twice a week, we do that.

00:48:17.000 Very poor training.

00:48:19.000 Twice a week.

00:48:20.000 Legs and upper body.

00:48:22.000 And then what kind of weightlifting are you talking about?

00:48:24.000 Like Olympic style training?

00:48:25.000 Are you using kettlebells?

00:48:26.000 How you call that?

00:48:30.000 Squats.

00:48:31.000 Squats.

00:48:32.000 Deadlifts.

00:48:33.000 Deadlift.

00:48:34.000 Cleans, presses, stuff like that.

00:48:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:36.000 Power moves.

00:48:37.000 Not presses, but we do it unilateral, like one leg, one leg.

00:48:42.000 Okay.

00:48:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:43.000 That's what we do.

00:48:44.000 Yeah.

00:48:45.000 He likes CrossFit also.

00:48:47.000 Oh, CrossFit style.

00:48:48.000 Do you use kettlebells?

00:48:50.000 I hate kettlebells.

00:48:52.000 You hate them?

00:48:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:53.000 Because that hurt me.

00:48:54.000 Yeah, I don't like the feeling.

00:48:55.000 And I have big hands, so both of my hands inside the kettlebells, yeah, I feel like...

00:49:00.000 Oh, for swings.

00:49:02.000 Yeah, yeah, for swings.

00:49:03.000 Well, as you say, if you learn how to do it correctly, it doesn't hurt as much.

00:49:06.000 Yeah?

00:49:07.000 Yeah, you just got to learn how to swing it through.

00:49:09.000 When I put it here...

00:49:10.000 When he comes here, that hurts me a lot.

00:49:13.000 Yeah, it lands on your forearm a little bit.

00:49:15.000 But you gotta learn how to just rotate it through.

00:49:17.000 As you do it, you rotate it through.

00:49:19.000 Maybe I don't have the technique.

00:49:21.000 Yeah, I bet it is.

00:49:22.000 Did you ever get a good kettlebell instructor to show you?

00:49:25.000 Kettlebell instructor?

00:49:26.000 Yeah.

00:49:27.000 I even don't know that.

00:49:28.000 You don't even know that they're a thing?

00:49:29.000 No.

00:49:29.000 I can show you a little bit, but I'm not qualified to really show you.

00:49:33.000 But a really good kettlebell instructor, it's a technique.

00:49:35.000 As you're swinging, like cleans.

00:49:38.000 As you come to clean, as you're doing it, you're just sort of punching through.

00:49:42.000 A lot of people, they lift it up, and it just falls.

00:49:45.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:49:46.000 You don't want that.

00:49:47.000 You want to control the kettlebell.

00:49:48.000 Oh, I got you.

00:49:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:50.000 I get it.

00:49:50.000 I'll show you some stuff afterwards.

00:49:52.000 Okay.

00:49:53.000 I'm a kettlebell fan.

00:49:55.000 Yeah?

00:49:55.000 I love them.

00:49:56.000 Yeah, but obviously you see all the machines out there.

00:49:59.000 I saw the Caesar kettlebell.

00:50:01.000 Caesar, the monkey.

00:50:03.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:04.000 We have Bigfoot.

00:50:06.000 I have an alien.

00:50:07.000 I have gorillas.

00:50:09.000 I have chimpanzees.

00:50:11.000 Yeah, do you see the Bigfoot one?

00:50:12.000 That's the biggest one. 0.99

00:50:14.000 That's fucking huge. 0.99

00:50:15.000 Bigfoot's one. 0.99

00:50:16.000 I don't know how many kilograms that is.

00:50:18.000 I saw Star Wars.

00:50:20.000 Yeah, we got Star Wars ones.

00:50:21.000 We got Darth Vader.

00:50:24.000 Those are all from Onnit.

00:50:26.000 We have a bunch of cool looking kettlebells.

00:50:28.000 But just regular kettlebells are fine.

00:50:31.000 I'm a fan.

00:50:33.000 The great thing about kettlebells is they make you use your whole body.

00:50:36.000 Make you use everything all at once.

00:50:38.000 Not like regular weight.

00:50:41.000 Right, not like isolation exercises.

00:50:44.000 Do you do battle ropes?

00:50:45.000 Do you do that too?

00:50:46.000 I do it.

00:50:47.000 I like it.

00:50:49.000 The most that I like is the things where you run, but it's not electric.

00:50:55.000 You just run and...

00:50:56.000 Yes, we have one of those too.

00:50:57.000 That's from the same assault bike company.

00:51:00.000 What is it called?

00:51:01.000 The air runner?

00:51:02.000 Assault air runner? 1.00

00:51:03.000 Yeah, that thing's the shit. 1.00

00:51:04.000 That's so good. 1.00

00:51:06.000 That's 13% harder than regular running.

00:51:08.000 Oh, that's what I felt.

00:51:10.000 Yeah, because you're forcing your footsteps.

00:51:13.000 That's what I said, Valentino, because he wrote me a program, like 400 meters, you do this, 400 meters, 800. I was like, it's fucking difficult in this machine. 0.97

00:51:23.000 I was like, maybe you were tired. 0.98

00:51:25.000 I said, no, it was good.

00:51:26.000 No, that machine's hard.

00:51:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:29.000 It's very good.

00:51:29.000 What about the Versaclimber?

00:51:30.000 You ever use that one?

00:51:32.000 Versaclimber?

00:51:33.000 That's the one.

00:51:33.000 Oh, yeah, I use it once.

00:51:35.000 It's fucked. 1.00

00:51:36.000 Dude, that's hard. 1.00

00:51:37.000 I got that out there.

00:51:38.000 Yeah, for homes.

00:51:41.000 No, that's amazing.

00:51:43.000 For the culture, it's good also.

00:51:45.000 Yeah, it's amazing how many different machines there are that you could get your cardio on.

00:51:49.000 So the beautiful thing about it is I like it because it's variety.

00:51:52.000 Yeah.

00:51:53.000 You know, different things all the time.

00:51:54.000 Force your body to adapt to different things.

00:51:57.000 My best training, what I like to do is to run but on stage.

00:52:02.000 On stage, yeah.

00:52:04.000 That's the training I prefer.

00:52:05.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:52:06.000 I do it once a week.

00:52:07.000 Yeah, once a week.

00:52:08.000 Every Thursday morning.

00:52:10.000 That's the training I prefer because I have big legs and yeah, I... It's also not pounding too, right?

00:52:16.000 Because you're pushing off.

00:52:17.000 Yeah, you're pushing off.

00:52:18.000 It's not just slamming.

00:52:20.000 I have friends that run on concrete.

00:52:23.000 I'm like, oof.

00:52:24.000 For your knees, that can't be good.

00:52:27.000 No, it's good for me.

00:52:28.000 I like it.

00:52:29.000 Well, hills.

00:52:30.000 Hill stairs.

00:52:31.000 I prefer.

00:52:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:34.000 You say you ran on the beach today?

00:52:37.000 Yeah.

00:52:38.000 Bordeaux doesn't have beaches, right?

00:52:41.000 Not in Bordeaux, no.

00:52:42.000 But the beach is two hours far from...

00:52:44.000 Too far.

00:52:45.000 Yeah, it's too far to go training.

00:52:47.000 That's a great way to run, too, though, if you can run on sand.

00:52:50.000 Yeah, on sand is very good for the cardio and also for legs, you know.

00:52:54.000 That works.

00:52:55.000 A lot of muscles, very deep, deep muscles.

00:52:59.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:53:00.000 That's what I like.

00:53:01.000 Now, when you're training and you're doing strength and conditioning, are you using a heart rate monitor?

00:53:06.000 Are you using...

00:53:07.000 Yeah.

00:53:07.000 What's the brand of the...

00:53:09.000 Polar?

00:53:11.000 Polar.

00:53:11.000 Yeah, that's what I use.

00:53:12.000 Yeah, sure.

00:53:13.000 Very famous.

00:53:14.000 And it's especially for the trainer because I don't care.

00:53:17.000 You know, he just look and make his calcul...

00:53:20.000 Yeah, it's mathematics.

00:53:21.000 So he keeps you at a certain heart rate?

00:53:24.000 Yeah, he want to keep me at the...

00:53:25.000 Do you monitor your heart rate in terms of like when you wake up to make sure that you're not over-trained?

00:53:30.000 No, I never do that.

00:53:32.000 No?

00:53:32.000 No, I just go training.

00:53:34.000 If I feel good, I go train.

00:53:36.000 If I feel tired, I go train.

00:53:38.000 It's so funny, man.

00:53:39.000 So many elite fighters the same way.

00:53:42.000 I had Terrence Crawford here the other day.

00:53:44.000 Same thing.

00:53:45.000 Yeah, you just go train.

00:53:46.000 I know what's up.

00:53:47.000 Yeah.

00:53:48.000 I like old school things.

00:53:50.000 I like also new school things, like polo things.

00:53:53.000 I like those kind of new things.

00:53:56.000 But for me, the compass part is...

00:54:02.000 It's a mind thing also, you know.

00:54:04.000 Don't get too much, how do you say that, too much electronic, technical, yeah.

00:54:09.000 You just, hey, you have to train twice a day, every morning, every evening, let's go.

00:54:13.000 You feel tired, let's go training.

00:54:15.000 You know, when I'm sick, like when I get a cold, I just go running training, you know.

00:54:21.000 And instead of people saying, no, I'm tired, I don't want to train, I go training because I think the sport is the best medication in the world.

00:54:29.000 Really?

00:54:30.000 That's what I think.

00:54:30.000 Even when you're sick.

00:54:31.000 Even when I'm sick.

00:54:32.000 And that works.

00:54:33.000 But when you say training, you're not sparring.

00:54:36.000 Not sparring.

00:54:37.000 Just running.

00:54:37.000 Yeah, just running.

00:54:38.000 Hit the bag.

00:54:39.000 Hit the bag, yeah.

00:54:40.000 Not sparring.

00:54:41.000 Because sparring is...

00:54:42.000 Then I will contaminate my...

00:54:44.000 Yes.

00:54:44.000 My guy.

00:54:45.000 Contaminate them.

00:54:46.000 Yes, yes.

00:54:46.000 That's funny.

00:54:47.000 Yeah, so when you say mental, do you use a mental coach?

00:54:52.000 Do you have, no?

00:54:54.000 No, because I think some people need a mental coach and some doesn't need.

00:55:01.000 For me, like, my story is, I think I have my...

00:55:06.000 Of course I need a mental coach, but I think I am my own mental coach.

00:55:10.000 My story for me is a big motivation for me.

00:55:14.000 Tell everybody your story. 0.96

00:55:16.000 It's fucking long, but I can tell a short story. 0.97

00:55:21.000 When I think about everything I went through... 0.98

00:55:25.000 In my lab.

00:55:26.000 I'm talking like I'm 55, but I'm 26. But you've had a lot of things happen.

00:55:33.000 Yeah, of course.

00:55:33.000 I was born in Cameroon.

00:55:37.000 And then my mom moved to Paris when I was eight.

00:55:41.000 And then one hour later, we went, my sister and I, we went to Paris to follow my mom.

00:55:50.000 And yeah, we were living in a small apartment, you know, a very small apartment.

00:55:55.000 One room, you know, no water.

00:56:01.000 We went to the restaurant to ask water with a big bottle of water, empty.

00:56:09.000 We went to the restaurant to ask water, you know.

00:56:12.000 Yeah, my mom went through so many things.

00:56:16.000 When I think about everything we went through, when I'm inside the locker room, I'm stressed, you know, I'm nervous.

00:56:25.000 I just think about it and I say, hey, listen, look where you are now.

00:56:30.000 You train for that.

00:56:31.000 You train for this.

00:56:32.000 You train for everybody who's waiting for you.

00:56:35.000 Everybody is screaming.

00:56:37.000 Don't get nervous.

00:56:38.000 This is nothing.

00:56:40.000 Just go and do what you like to do.

00:56:44.000 Fight.

00:56:45.000 Overcoming hardship, a lot of times, is the best teacher.

00:56:48.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:56:49.000 So you know where you came from, so you know the hardships.

00:56:52.000 And I know where I want to go, where I want to land.

00:56:56.000 So for me, before I fight Nicky Oskar, I used to get nervous in the locker room.

00:57:03.000 And I said, hey, you want to fight Nicky Oskar?

00:57:05.000 And are you nervous for this guy?

00:57:08.000 Come on.

00:57:09.000 I know.

00:57:09.000 It's funny.

00:57:10.000 It's like you get what you ask for.

00:57:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:57:13.000 But while you're coming up, you're like, oh, I want to fuck that guy up. 0.99

00:57:16.000 Then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, shit, he's right here. 1.00

00:57:20.000 Now it's time. 1.00

00:57:21.000 I was like, damn. 0.99

00:57:22.000 It's the same with me. 1.00

00:57:24.000 I talk a lot of shit on the internet before the fight. 0.99

00:57:28.000 And when I'm in the locker room, I'm like, damn, it's time. 1.00

00:57:32.000 Why did I talk all that shit? 1.00

00:57:33.000 Yeah, why did I say that? 0.99

00:57:37.000 I remember the fight against Nicky.

00:57:40.000 I make a poster on the internet with his head.

00:57:43.000 Oh, he cut his head off? 0.98

00:57:44.000 Yeah, he cut his head off.

00:57:45.000 And I was like, that's what's going to happen during the fight.

00:57:49.000 And he was like, no, I don't care about the internet.

00:57:52.000 I don't care about Instagram.

00:57:54.000 I don't care about talk.

00:57:55.000 I would talk in the ring.

00:57:57.000 I was like...

00:58:01.000 And during the fight, he was in front of me and the referee was like, check hands if you like. 0.99

00:58:07.000 He was like, he went back to his corner like, let's go, I want to fuck him up. 0.99

00:58:13.000 And yeah, I was like, oh, you talk shit, but now you have to back it up. 1.00

00:58:18.000 I remember that fight. 0.99

00:58:19.000 It was very interesting because I'm a big Nicky Holtzkin fan as well.

00:58:23.000 During collision, the first one.

00:58:25.000 Yes, I remember that fight and I was watching and I was like, wow, this guy, he's got his number.

00:58:31.000 By the time the fourth round came around, I was like, you're ahead on points and it looked like you had his style figured out.

00:58:44.000 I think for me this is one of my best fights ever.

00:58:49.000 I was so small in that fight.

00:58:53.000 You were small in that fight?

00:58:55.000 In what way?

00:58:56.000 What did you say?

00:58:57.000 You said you were so small in that fight?

00:58:58.000 No, I said I was smart.

00:59:00.000 Oh, smart.

00:59:02.000 Because I didn't want to knock him out.

00:59:04.000 I said I would knock him out, but that was fake.

00:59:08.000 Yeah, that was only a strategy.

00:59:10.000 So, I know I would not knock him out because he's so strong.

00:59:15.000 He's so smart.

00:59:16.000 And he's a counter fighter.

00:59:18.000 So, yeah, I was very, very smart.

00:59:20.000 Make my puns.

00:59:22.000 And then, yeah, after three fights after Nicky, yeah, people were calling me a runner because I was making a lot of points.

00:59:32.000 And then now, they're calling me the number one powerful power in glory.

00:59:36.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:59:37.000 Yeah.

00:59:37.000 You fought Nicky twice?

00:59:39.000 Twice.

00:59:39.000 When did you fight him again?

00:59:40.000 When was the second time?

00:59:41.000 I fought Niki, and then I fought Kongolo, and then I fought Niki again.

00:59:46.000 And you beat him again.

00:59:46.000 Yeah.

00:59:47.000 On point.

00:59:48.000 And after the fight, I remember I say, you run too much.

00:59:52.000 I say, respect my style.

00:59:54.000 I respect your style.

00:59:55.000 I respect my style.

00:59:56.000 Do you think you'd fight him differently now?

01:00:00.000 Why would you?

01:00:01.000 Yeah?

01:00:02.000 Yeah, I think if I fight Niki, like tomorrow I will fight different.

01:00:06.000 I will go for the knockout this time. 0.84

01:00:08.000 Because I'm not the same fighter as before.

01:00:10.000 So I think I will success.

01:00:13.000 I will knock him out.

01:00:14.000 He's over in 1FC now, huh?

01:00:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:17.000 Which is interesting, because they fight in a cage.

01:00:20.000 Yeah, but...

01:00:21.000 Little gloves, too.

01:00:22.000 Yeah, no.

01:00:23.000 Oh, he's using big gloves.

01:00:24.000 Muay Thai, Muay Thai, sometimes you fight little gloves.

01:00:26.000 They mix it up a lot over there.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, there was a lot of...

01:00:29.000 Different rules.

01:00:30.000 Different rules, yeah.

01:00:31.000 When he knocked out Cosmo Alexander, though, I was like...

01:00:34.000 Yeah, it was a crazy knockout.

01:00:35.000 That was a crazy knockout. 1.00

01:00:37.000 It shows you how good he is.

01:00:38.000 And then you see Cosmo Alexander... 0.99

01:00:41.000 Fuck up Sage Northcutt. 0.99

01:00:43.000 And you realize how good Cosmo is. 1.00

01:00:44.000 And then you see how bad Nicky beat up Cosmo. 0.98

01:00:47.000 You're like, damn, Nicky's good. 0.98

01:00:48.000 Yeah, he's very good. 0.98

01:00:50.000 You know, before I fight Nicky, he was one of my best fighters I ever liked.

01:00:58.000 Because when I was watching him against Karim Gaji, the French fighter... 0.99

01:01:03.000 When I watched him against Joseph Valtellini, I was like, damn, this dude is fucking, fucking strong. 0.99

01:01:10.000 Or Raymond Daniels, when he beat Raymond Daniels. 0.99

01:01:12.000 Yeah, he beat Raymond Daniels.

01:01:13.000 Because for me, Joseph Valtellini is not an easy fighter.

01:01:17.000 He's not an easy opponent.

01:01:19.000 He's very strong.

01:01:20.000 He stopped him in the last round, too.

01:01:21.000 Yeah, with a right hook or maybe a left hook. 1.00

01:01:24.000 Well, Valtellini, who's a really good fighter, he got a little carried away.

01:01:28.000 He was trying to trade with him at the end of the fight.

01:01:30.000 And then Nicky caught him.

01:01:32.000 I was like, I really really like this file.

01:01:36.000 And then when I received that email that I will face Niki Oskar, I was like...

01:01:44.000 And you were only 24?

01:01:46.000 Yeah, only 24. So you're thinking at the time, like, holy shit, it's here. 0.99

01:01:49.000 Yeah, and I didn't even have a strength and conditioning coach. 0.98

01:01:54.000 No, only a kickboxer.

01:01:55.000 Only Samir, kickboxing. 0.99

01:01:57.000 And I was doing my shit alone, running in the morning and just training by myself. 0.97

01:02:03.000 What kind of strength and conditioning were you doing other than running? 0.99

01:02:07.000 Push-ups, running, some crossfit, but...

01:02:10.000 Nothing like you're doing now?

01:02:12.000 No, no, no.

01:02:13.000 I was doing things I was watching on YouTube, you know, so...

01:02:17.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:02:18.000 World champion watching stuff on YouTube and learning.

01:02:21.000 A little bit like Jon Jones before when he started.

01:02:25.000 I heard about him.

01:02:27.000 He was saying that he started MMA watching fights on YouTube.

01:02:33.000 Sure, yeah.

01:02:33.000 He would try moves out in fights.

01:02:36.000 Yeah.

01:02:38.000 Wow, some people are just talented.

01:02:40.000 Some people will find a way.

01:02:42.000 Now, when you think about those fights and how important those fights were to you, especially the Nikki Holtzkin fight, when you look back, it's got to be kind of a crazy feeling that that sort of That made your career, that Nikki Hoskin fight, particularly the first one.

01:02:59.000 Yeah, right.

01:03:00.000 Because, you know, my fight was a little bit hilarious because the story of that fight, I was the co-main event.

01:03:08.000 And I think that fight was made for Nikki Hoskin, you know, because I had only three fights in glory and they put me a title shot.

01:03:19.000 As I was a little bit entertaining and I made posters and things like that, they say, okay, it's going to be a good show, but that's going to be a fight for Niki, you know, for sure.

01:03:31.000 I think they say to themselves, Niki is going to win the fight.

01:03:34.000 Niki is undefeated, you know, nobody could beat him.

01:03:38.000 We're going to win the fight.

01:03:40.000 It's the fight just before Badrari and Rico fights.

01:03:44.000 A lot of eyes were on us.

01:03:48.000 I just created the surprise.

01:03:50.000 I just surprised everybody.

01:03:53.000 That's why I have a lot of fans in Morocco.

01:03:56.000 Because they was waiting for Badrari fight and they saw me.

01:04:01.000 So it was like I received a lot of message from Morocco like, oh my brother, I really like your style, you're funny.

01:04:09.000 Moroccans love fights. 1.00

01:04:11.000 Those are wild people.

01:04:12.000 I like the Moroccan fans and Moroccan people.

01:04:16.000 Because I went to Brussels during two years.

01:04:19.000 In Brussels, a lot of Moroccan people.

01:04:21.000 In Holland also, a lot of Moroccan people.

01:04:23.000 Do you think you'll be fighting on the next Rico-Badahari fight?

01:04:27.000 It seems like.

01:04:28.000 You think so?

01:04:29.000 Yeah, it seems like.

01:04:30.000 When is that?

01:04:30.000 Because before that, there is...

01:04:32.000 Is that December?

01:04:33.000 December.

01:04:34.000 Before December, there is two events in October, and they are almost booked.

01:04:44.000 So I think, yeah, for me, it's going to be December.

01:04:47.000 It's going to be a good thing, because I like Badahari.

01:04:49.000 Yes.

01:04:50.000 And, yeah, to fight in the same court.

01:04:53.000 This is my third time I will fight in the same court as him.

01:04:56.000 As Badhart.

01:04:57.000 Yeah.

01:04:57.000 I'm very interested to see how he fights Rico in the second fight.

01:05:00.000 Me too.

01:05:01.000 Very, very interesting.

01:05:02.000 Rico is good, though.

01:05:03.000 Very good.

01:05:04.000 Rico has crazy cardio for heavyweight.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, crazy cardio.

01:05:08.000 And he moves like a welterweight.

01:05:11.000 Yes.

01:05:11.000 So when he fights, he fights like a welterweight.

01:05:13.000 It's not like a regular heavyweight.

01:05:16.000 And he beat everybody in that division.

01:05:18.000 He beats everybody.

01:05:19.000 Yeah.

01:05:19.000 He told me that when he was training, when he was coming up, he was training with light guys.

01:05:24.000 Yeah.

01:05:25.000 So he's like, you have to move.

01:05:26.000 Yeah.

01:05:26.000 So he developed that cardio and that ability from training with guys like 180 pounds.

01:05:32.000 Yeah.

01:05:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:34.000 That's why for me, and the fight, the way he fought against Jamal Ben Sadiq.

01:05:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:41.000 He was almost done at the first or the second.

01:05:44.000 I don't remember.

01:05:45.000 He was almost done.

01:05:46.000 And then the way he knocked him out back in the last or the fourth round, it was crazy.

01:05:52.000 I was like, this dude is a good champ.

01:05:54.000 This dude is a real champ.

01:05:56.000 He's so smart.

01:05:57.000 He's very smart.

01:05:58.000 But, you know, I like, I really, I think people like Badrari because of everything.

01:06:03.000 His story, because of the man, the bad boy.

01:06:06.000 Yeah.

01:06:07.000 He's wild.

01:06:08.000 Yeah, he's very strong.

01:06:09.000 And he's very cool to watch.

01:06:11.000 Yeah. 0.58

01:06:13.000 And when Bader comes, when the speaker calls Bader Ali and he comes in, damn, the mood is just, you know, everybody is, you can see the flash of many phones in the audience. 0.96

01:06:29.000 No, it's crazy. 0.88

01:06:29.000 It's a very crazy feeling when Bader Ali fights. 0.88

01:06:32.000 He's the most famous good boxer.

01:06:33.000 Yeah, he's the most famous good boxer.

01:06:35.000 He's a legend.

01:06:36.000 He's a legend, and he's not just a legend because of his fighting, which means he's been an incredible fighter, but also just because he's so crazy. 0.99

01:06:42.000 He does so much wild shit. 0.99

01:06:44.000 He's always getting in trouble. 1.00

01:06:46.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:06:48.000 People love Bad Larry because of the fighter, but also because of the bad boy.

01:06:54.000 It's funny, fighters that get in trouble.

01:06:56.000 Conor McGregor's been in a bunch of trouble lately.

01:06:59.000 Some people are upset at him, and some people are not.

01:07:02.000 It's not good.

01:07:04.000 Everything is not good, but...

01:07:06.000 He's a wild man. 1.00

01:07:07.000 Wild men do wild shit. 1.00

01:07:09.000 Not good to smack that guy at the bar, though. 1.00

01:07:11.000 I watched that again.

01:07:12.000 I thought it was like a touch.

01:07:14.000 Last time I talked about it, I thought he just sort of touched him in the head with his hand.

01:07:17.000 I saw the video with a slap.

01:07:19.000 Looks almost like a punch.

01:07:21.000 Yeah, almost like a punch.

01:07:22.000 He hit him.

01:07:24.000 I misspoke.

01:07:25.000 I thought he just...

01:07:26.000 I basically thought he just touched him in the face.

01:07:28.000 No.

01:07:29.000 Because I watched it on my phone, and it just wasn't that clear.

01:07:32.000 No.

01:07:33.000 Then I watched it on the computer. 0.99

01:07:33.000 I was like, damn, why does he do that? 0.99

01:07:37.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:07:37.000 Maybe the guy said something really bad to him, but either way... 0.99

01:07:40.000 Even, he's an old guy, you know, you just...

01:07:43.000 And then there's another article.

01:07:44.000 And you're a big star, so...

01:07:45.000 Huge star.

01:07:45.000 You can't do that.

01:07:46.000 A guy in a bar doesn't want your whiskey?

01:07:48.000 What do you even... 1.00

01:07:49.000 But all that wild shit, like grabbing that guy's phone and stomping on it. 1.00

01:07:53.000 I saw that. 1.00

01:07:54.000 He's just a little too crazy. 0.99

01:07:56.000 Just a little too crazy. 0.96

01:07:57.000 Sometimes I don't understand.

01:07:58.000 Maybe he was drunk.

01:07:59.000 I don't know.

01:08:00.000 Probably.

01:08:01.000 Maybe something else.

01:08:02.000 Yeah.

01:08:03.000 I can say nothing about this.

01:08:05.000 Yeah.

01:08:06.000 But yeah, maybe he was drunk.

01:08:08.000 That's what I thought at first.

01:08:10.000 I was like, he was drunk.

01:08:11.000 But even your team may control you, you know?

01:08:15.000 Your guy may got you. 1.00

01:08:16.000 If you offer a man at a bar a drink and he doesn't want it and you punch him in the head, you're definitely fucking up. 0.99

01:08:25.000 He's definitely making some mistakes. 0.98

01:08:27.000 But I love watching him fight.

01:08:29.000 He's a wild dude.

01:08:29.000 It's amazing how many fans he has, too.

01:08:31.000 I've never seen anything like it.

01:08:33.000 Kono?

01:08:34.000 Yeah, early on.

01:08:35.000 Early on in his career, before he was a champion.

01:08:37.000 Even after the fight.

01:08:40.000 Of course, when you slap guys, your name keeps building up.

01:08:45.000 But the problem with him is going to be guys like Khabib. 1.00

01:08:48.000 And he wants a rematch with Khabib.

01:08:49.000 Do you think he...

01:08:51.000 I don't think so.

01:08:52.000 I don't think Khabib is going to fight him. 0.99

01:08:53.000 Khabib fucked him up. 0.96

01:08:54.000 Why would he fight him again? 0.99

01:08:55.000 That's right.

01:08:56.000 A money fight.

01:08:57.000 Yeah, I think the money fight for him is Nate.

01:08:59.000 Nate will fight him again.

01:09:01.000 That's a big fight.

01:09:02.000 But Nate, they're talking about Nate fighting Masvidal.

01:09:05.000 If he fights Jorge Masvidal, I think that fight is a huge fight as well.

01:09:11.000 Conor may or may not ever fight again.

01:09:13.000 Who knows?

01:09:14.000 He says he's going to, but if he does...

01:09:17.000 Maybe Poirier.

01:09:19.000 Yeah, maybe, but Poirier's gotta fight Khabib. 0.94

01:09:22.000 You know, I mean, that's next month.

01:09:24.000 That's the big fight, right?

01:09:26.000 And Khabib is the big fight.

01:09:28.000 I mean, Khabib's the only one undefeated in the division. 0.97

01:09:30.000 His wrestling is fucking terrifying. 0.99

01:09:32.000 He gets people on the ground, just beats the shit out of them. 0.99

01:09:35.000 I saw him work at AK. It was just crazy. 0.99

01:09:38.000 Khabib is...

01:09:40.000 Yeah, he started a combo spot when he was a kid, you know?

01:09:46.000 Yeah, the baby.

01:09:47.000 You ever see how they play basketball?

01:09:49.000 Yeah, I saw that video. 1.00

01:09:50.000 Is that the craziest shit? 1.00

01:09:52.000 Will Harris, my friend. 1.00

01:09:53.000 It was Will Harris Productions.

01:09:54.000 He's been in here before as well.

01:09:56.000 He filmed these guys playing basketball over there.

01:09:58.000 I was watching that podcast.

01:10:00.000 And then after that video, I just went to YouTube to watch the video you was talking about.

01:10:07.000 And yeah, the basketball.

01:10:08.000 Crazy.

01:10:09.000 It's crazy.

01:10:10.000 The Western basketball.

01:10:11.000 They're playing wrestle basketball.

01:10:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:10:13.000 It's like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:10:14.000 And then he gets a guy in a rear naked choke and gets an arm bar on the ground. 1.00

01:10:17.000 Yeah, and the guy tapped and he doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:10:19.000 He keeps going. 0.99

01:10:20.000 He can't even tap.

01:10:22.000 Like, the whole thing is so...

01:10:23.000 Like, they're hard people over there, man.

01:10:26.000 They are hard people.

01:10:27.000 I watched the postcard.

01:10:28.000 He was talking about he went there to film Khabib and...

01:10:31.000 Yes.

01:10:32.000 He went...

01:10:32.000 Yeah.

01:10:34.000 Well, Will's very talented.

01:10:36.000 Will Harris, he does a great job of capturing these guys' stories.

01:10:39.000 And he's a nice guy, so people like him, so they're loose and relaxed around him.

01:10:44.000 And he's very talented as a filmmaker, so when he puts these pieces together, they're very impactful.

01:10:50.000 And that film is on YouTube?

01:10:51.000 Yes.

01:10:52.000 All his stuff is on YouTube.

01:10:54.000 What is this?

01:10:55.000 Conor McGregor to face Floyd Mayweather in Japan.

01:10:57.000 What?

01:10:58.000 Is this today?

01:10:59.000 I just looked up his name, so I brought it up.

01:11:01.000 There's a game show they supposedly have signed to be on where they're going to compete against each other.

01:11:05.000 And this says he's going to sign for a reported $10 million to do it.

01:11:11.000 To do a game show?

01:11:12.000 Non-contact.

01:11:13.000 A game show?

01:11:14.000 It won't break contract or anything.

01:11:15.000 What?

01:11:16.000 So if he's going to get that much money for that...

01:11:18.000 Ten million bucks for a game show.

01:11:19.000 Well, they paid Floyd nine million dollars to fight that Japanese guy. 0.92

01:11:25.000 He's supposed to be part of that, too.

01:11:26.000 Yeah?

01:11:27.000 Tension, yeah. 1.00

01:11:28.000 Yeah, Nazukawa, who's a bad motherfucker, but he's tiny. 1.00

01:11:32.000 He's so small. 0.99

01:11:33.000 And a lot of people thought that that fight was fixed with him and Floyd.

01:11:37.000 I was like, no.

01:11:38.000 Like, even good fight commentators thought that was fake.

01:11:42.000 I was like, watch it again.

01:11:44.000 That's what I thought.

01:11:44.000 Watch it again.

01:11:45.000 First round catch.

01:11:46.000 The dude weighed 120 pounds.

01:11:48.000 He fights 126 pounds. 0.64

01:11:51.000 Floyd beat the fuck out of him. 0.93

01:11:53.000 He's so much bigger. 0.97

01:11:54.000 Floyd was so loose. 0.99

01:11:55.000 He just walked in and just clubbed him in the head. 0.99

01:11:58.000 It's crazy.

01:11:59.000 When you fight Floyd Merida, you must train like you ever did.

01:12:03.000 But they didn't even give him enough chance.

01:12:05.000 And Floyd was fat. 0.85

01:12:07.000 Yeah, he was fat.

01:12:08.000 Well, he didn't have to get in shape for that guy.

01:12:10.000 Look, Floyd is way bigger than him.

01:12:13.000 Way bigger.

01:12:13.000 I mean, Floyd's not a big man.

01:12:15.000 He's way bigger than Tenshin.

01:12:17.000 Tenshin's tiny.

01:12:18.000 He's a tiny little... 0.95

01:12:19.000 But against those other 120-pound guys, he fucks those guys up. 0.68

01:12:23.000 He's really good.

01:12:24.000 Yeah, he's very good.

01:12:25.000 Even in kickboxing, he's very, very good.

01:12:27.000 Very interesting when he fights. 1.00

01:12:29.000 He does, like, wild shit. 0.99

01:12:30.000 Like, weird spinning kicks and stuff. 0.99

01:12:33.000 Japanese fighters are very good.

01:12:34.000 like Masake Nori also sure it's one of my favorite fighters in Japan yes and the twins brother also Urabe Koya Urabe and the other guy I don't know it's it was damaging to Tenshin's legacy because everybody thought he was a joke after Floyd V That's what I thought first.

01:12:53.000 If Floyd let him kick, it would be a different fight.

01:12:57.000 That's what I was hoping.

01:12:59.000 When they were talking about a fight, I was like, is this going to Maybe a kickboxing fight?

01:13:03.000 Maybe Floyd would be so crazy that he said, go ahead and kick.

01:13:06.000 Let's see what's up. 1.00

01:13:08.000 Fuck his legs up. 1.00

01:13:09.000 Yeah, of course. 1.00

01:13:10.000 Of course.

01:13:10.000 There's only been a few world champion boxers.

01:13:14.000 Vince Phillips, remember when he fought?

01:13:16.000 He fought in Japan.

01:13:17.000 He fought Masato.

01:13:19.000 I know Masato. 0.99

01:13:21.000 Fucked his legs up. 0.99

01:13:22.000 Whack! 1.00

01:13:23.000 This guy was a boxer.

01:13:25.000 Yes, world champion.

01:13:26.000 Cool Vince Phillips.

01:13:27.000 Yeah.

01:13:27.000 See, pull that up.

01:13:29.000 Vince Phillips versus Masato.

01:13:31.000 And Vince was like at the end of his career.

01:13:33.000 He's like 40. Is Kanagin Vince Phillip?

01:13:36.000 I think he's American.

01:13:38.000 I think he's American. 1.00

01:13:41.000 And Masato just fucked his legs up. 1.00

01:13:44.000 Kicked his legs out from under him. 1.00

01:13:45.000 Franz Botha.

01:13:46.000 Remember Franz Botha?

01:13:47.000 He fought Tyson.

01:13:48.000 There he is.

01:13:49.000 Vince Phillips.

01:13:51.000 And, you know, Vince was just...

01:13:53.000 It was a fight.

01:13:54.000 It was just a terrible idea.

01:13:56.000 And he's fighting barefoot.

01:13:57.000 I mean, he really should have fought with shoes on.

01:14:01.000 Just said, I'm not going to kick.

01:14:02.000 Because he wasn't going to kick anyway. 1.00

01:14:03.000 But Masato just fucked those legs up. 1.00

01:14:06.000 Did he train like a kickboxer or he just went to the fight? 0.99

01:14:10.000 Oh man, I don't know.

01:14:11.000 Because look, he's getting lit up.

01:14:13.000 Shannon Briggs did too.

01:14:15.000 Shannon the Cannon, he went over there and he...

01:14:17.000 Oh, see, he's already done.

01:14:18.000 Is this K-1?

01:14:19.000 I think it was K-1, yes.

01:14:22.000 I mean, they basically just set it up so Masato just fucks his legs up and kicked into his arms and everything.

01:14:30.000 I mean, Masato barely tried to box with him.

01:14:32.000 And look, Vince is already done.

01:14:34.000 He can't even punch anymore.

01:14:35.000 Yeah, he's already done. 1.00

01:14:36.000 His arms are fucked up. 0.99

01:14:37.000 And then Masato's trying to knee him. 1.00

01:14:40.000 I mean, he's fucking those legs up, man. 0.99

01:14:42.000 It's like a master class in how to fuck up a world-class boxer with kicks. 0.99

01:14:47.000 See, look, Masato's already, he's getting him to bite those feints. 0.97

01:14:51.000 Like, look at that leg kick right there. 0.97

01:14:52.000 Ooh, you know he's done.

01:14:53.000 His leg is toast right now.

01:14:55.000 He can barely walk.

01:14:56.000 Look at how he's trying to walk around.

01:14:57.000 He's just hanging in there, hanging in there.

01:14:59.000 No, he can't.

01:15:00.000 Yeah.

01:15:01.000 He's done.

01:15:01.000 There it is.

01:15:04.000 Yeah, he's fucked. 1.00

01:15:05.000 Look, he's in agony. 1.00

01:15:07.000 You can't.

01:15:07.000 Boom!

01:15:08.000 Yeah.

01:15:09.000 A boxer against a kickboxer.

01:15:10.000 No, you can't.

01:15:11.000 It's amazing.

01:15:12.000 People just don't know.

01:15:13.000 They really don't know.

01:15:14.000 They don't know what it feels like to be leg kicked. 0.96

01:15:16.000 Especially by a guy like you.

01:15:17.000 Even a kickboxer.

01:15:19.000 Even me, when I get a low kick, it's crazy.

01:15:23.000 Even the first round in the ring, because you're in the locker room, you're just roaming up, you know.

01:15:31.000 But when you're inside the ring, punches and kickers, you feel, I don't know, maybe twice, ten times more than in the gym.

01:15:39.000 It's not the same.

01:15:40.000 Like, a sparring and a fight, it's not really the same.

01:15:44.000 No.

01:15:45.000 Because of the pressure, the light, everything is different inside the ring.

01:15:51.000 Everything, even the smell of your opening body, everything is different.

01:15:59.000 Some people don't wash just so they stink.

01:16:01.000 When they fight, they like to do it.

01:16:03.000 Matt Lindland apparently was famous for that.

01:16:05.000 He used to wrestle that way.

01:16:06.000 He used to not wash himself. 0.99

01:16:08.000 And then, like, when guys would fight him, they'd be like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:16:11.000 One of my last openings, he was thinking as fuck. 1.00

01:16:16.000 Really? 1.00

01:16:16.000 I can't say his name. 1.00

01:16:18.000 You can't say his name?

01:16:19.000 No, he was in glory. 0.99

01:16:20.000 I was like, damn. 0.99

01:16:21.000 At the first round, he clinched me. 0.99

01:16:23.000 I was like...

01:16:26.000 Crazy.

01:16:26.000 Do you think they do that on purpose?

01:16:28.000 No, I don't think so.

01:16:30.000 Well, it's a good move.

01:16:31.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:16:31.000 It would fuck with your head a little bit. 1.00

01:16:33.000 No. 1.00

01:16:34.000 I was like, oh, damn. 1.00

01:16:36.000 He stinks. 1.00

01:16:38.000 I would think that would be a good move to smell really bad. 0.97

01:16:42.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:16:42.000 Guys wouldn't want to have anything to do with you because I don't think they test for that.

01:16:45.000 Sometimes people put tie hole on their gloves.

01:16:48.000 I had this one time when I fought in France, the final of the tournament.

01:16:55.000 After the first one, my skin was burning.

01:16:59.000 I was like...

01:17:00.000 Seems like somebody put me tight on the face.

01:17:04.000 Did it get in your eyes?

01:17:06.000 Yeah.

01:17:07.000 And after the fight, my coach told me, you know, that team used to do that.

01:17:12.000 They put oil on their gloves for the first round, and then they just punch you on the face, on your eyes. 0.99

01:17:18.000 They just clinch you, and after the first round, you fucked up. 1.00

01:17:22.000 That's terrible. 1.00

01:17:23.000 It's crazy, man.

01:17:24.000 I don't know how people can do that.

01:17:26.000 Even if you win the fight.

01:17:28.000 They don't test for that?

01:17:29.000 They don't check to make sure the tags on?

01:17:31.000 Sometimes the referee smells the gloves.

01:17:33.000 That was before.

01:17:34.000 It's a small organization.

01:17:35.000 It's not like glory.

01:17:37.000 You can't do that in glory.

01:17:39.000 Did you ever fight Muay Thai as well?

01:17:41.000 I fought two times in Muay Thai rules.

01:17:44.000 Two times to KO. Did you fight the same way?

01:17:48.000 Your same style with a lot of movement?

01:17:50.000 A lot of movement, yes.

01:17:52.000 But it was, yeah, all KO at the first round.

01:17:58.000 As I said, before I used to KO people in the first round, I didn't care about it.

01:18:02.000 I just go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, KO, KO, KO before Glory because now Glory is a high level fighter.

01:18:09.000 It's not easy to knock them out.

01:18:12.000 Who do you think are the best fighters in Glory outside of you?

01:18:18.000 Outside of me.

01:18:19.000 Who do you enjoy watching?

01:18:20.000 If Nicky was still there, I would say Nicky, but as Nicky is not there anymore, which fight I'd like to watch?

01:18:30.000 He's gone also.

01:18:31.000 Robin van Hoosman.

01:18:33.000 I really like his style.

01:18:34.000 He's going to fight in MMA. Yeah, he's gone.

01:18:36.000 He's training in Florida with Henry Hooft.

01:18:39.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, in Florida.

01:18:40.000 That's what he told me.

01:18:41.000 Yeah.

01:18:42.000 But now Asa Rubin is gone.

01:18:45.000 A guy I like to watch fight.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, instead of Badrari.

01:18:52.000 Badrari don't fight that often.

01:18:55.000 Yeah.

01:18:57.000 I don't know.

01:18:58.000 There are many fighters I like.

01:19:00.000 So we can look forward to you fighting again sometime around December, hopefully.

01:19:06.000 Yeah.

01:19:07.000 And then when you do decide to come to the UFC, please come back and we'll talk about it and we'll make an announcement and we'll make a big deal out of it.

01:19:16.000 What you mean?

01:19:17.000 When you do fight in the UFC, when you leave glory, I want you to come back in here so we can let everybody know.

01:19:23.000 Yeah, of course.

01:19:24.000 Because that's a big deal to have a guy like you, a world champion kickboxer, make it to the UFC. That would be gigantic.

01:19:31.000 That's one of my big things.

01:19:33.000 If I had Dana White in front of me right now...

01:19:36.000 I can hook that up.

01:19:38.000 I would say, hey Dana, what's up?

01:19:40.000 So, you trust your champ, right?

01:19:43.000 You trust Kamaru Usman or you trust your fighter, right?

01:19:47.000 I'm the best.

01:19:48.000 I'm the best in kickboxing.

01:19:49.000 I'm the best in combat sport.

01:19:52.000 And I can beat your champ.

01:19:54.000 And I can become your next champ.

01:19:58.000 I'm the future, you know.

01:20:00.000 I'm 26. All those people in welterweight division are old or boring to watch.

01:20:08.000 So, yeah, I'm the future.

01:20:10.000 And I really think I'm going to beat anybody in that division.

01:20:15.000 Well, there's guys that you're going to have to fight first.

01:20:18.000 I'm just going to be honest with you.

01:20:20.000 They're not going to give you a title shot. 0.78

01:20:22.000 They're going to want to see you fight against a good fighter, but they could give you a fight against a top 10 contender.

01:20:29.000 Because guys like Kamaru Usman, they earned their way to be the champion.

01:20:34.000 You can't just jump in there.

01:20:36.000 I agree, but that's why it's my dream.

01:20:39.000 But a guy like Anthony Pettis, who's still an elite fighter, but who just lost to Nate Diaz, that is possible.

01:20:47.000 That's possible.

01:20:48.000 If you came in with a lot of hype, and obviously Glory is on UFC Fight Pass, so they have an agreement with Glory, so they could use your highlight reel and watch all those knockouts.

01:20:58.000 Yeah, of course.

01:20:59.000 We could sell it.

01:21:00.000 Even Glory can talk with UFC, and we can make something. 0.98

01:21:04.000 And I think, yeah, I don't think I will do it.

01:21:07.000 Pettis is good, and especially as a striker.

01:21:11.000 Yes, that's what makes it interesting.

01:21:12.000 And Pettis would try to stand with you, maybe.

01:21:14.000 But first, yeah, as a confidant, first I was thinking about Diaz because I really like the way he fights. 0.79

01:21:23.000 He's so crazy. 0.91

01:21:24.000 Yes, he is. 0.98

01:21:25.000 And I think, yeah, I think if I fight, and because also nobody could knock him out.

01:21:32.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:21:33.000 Well, Josh Thompson knocked him out.

01:21:35.000 Yeah, in the UFC. He caught him in the head kick.

01:21:37.000 I thought nobody could knock him out, so that's why I wanted to be the first.

01:21:41.000 No, Josh Thompson, who's probably one of the most underrated fighters ever, who was one of the very best in the world, but then he left the UFC when the UFC dropped the 155-pound division many, many years back, and he went over to Strikeforce and became one of the best.

01:21:56.000 He's absolutely one of the most unheralded professional fighters ever.

01:22:02.000 He's an elite, elite fighter.

01:22:03.000 But he knocked out Nate Diaz with a head kick. 0.99

01:22:06.000 Oh, damn. 0.99

01:22:06.000 Yeah, he's the only guy. 0.99

01:22:07.000 Well, he stopped him.

01:22:08.000 He dropped him with a head kick and then finished him off. 0.97

01:22:11.000 I'd be the second one.

01:22:13.000 Well, maybe you'd be the first guy to submit him.

01:22:17.000 Maybe.

01:22:18.000 Maybe, why not?

01:22:20.000 Good luck.

01:22:21.000 Good luck with that.

01:22:22.000 But listen, man, I'm a fan.

01:22:24.000 It was an honor having you in here.

01:22:25.000 I really appreciate your time.

01:22:26.000 And we're going to take some pictures of you working out here.

01:22:29.000 Of course, yeah.

01:22:29.000 All right.

01:22:30.000 Cedric Dumbay, ladies and gentlemen.

01:22:32.000 Thank you, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 03, 2011

JRE MMA Show #77 with Cedric Doumbe

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