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00:02:58.000To be fair, the second time he went down as well, he didn't have to get back up, because he'd already put a really good account of himself by that point, and to get Back up, finish the fight and finish strong.
00:05:14.000I get like 100% transmission from all muscle fibers.
00:05:17.000Well, the thing is, as well, though, like, the beginners all go at the back, so I went at the back, and there's, like, this little old guy on me, I thought, I'll be fucking cool next to this guy, it's all right.
00:06:33.000But they did a study recently, a Harvard study.
00:06:36.000There's one of them they're doing right now, where they're trying to see if the same effects from hot yoga you get from sauna.
00:06:42.000Like, it's very similar, because sauna does, you know, it's like...
00:06:46.00040% decrease across all causes of mortality, heart attacks, strokes.
00:06:51.000With people that regularly do the sauna, I think they consider it four days a week, they have incredible results health-wise because of the reduction of inflammation.
00:07:00.000Because when you're in that heat, it just really reduces inflammation across your whole body.
00:07:04.000They think that that's going on when you're doing yoga because your body heats up so much.
00:07:08.000Because even though it's only 104 degrees in there, when you're fucking sweating at 104 degrees and holding those pose Yeah, 100%.
00:07:18.000The only thing that saved me on that day, my friend came with me as well, and he's a big guy.
00:07:44.000Yeah, it's like a like a car with a giant engine and skinny back tires.
00:07:48.000You just slide all over It's just, but I think for athletes, it's one of the very best things to keep your entire body balanced, to keep it in tune.
00:07:59.000I was speaking to someone who was saying, how long do you want to fight for?
00:08:01.000And I said, I want at least another three or four years out of myself yet.
00:08:03.000I said, I still feel good at the minute.
00:08:05.000I said, but I am getting injured more.
00:10:24.000I feel all ashamed now that I went in with my pulled groin and you and your leg didn't, your leg was hanging off, I got bit by a shark, whatever.
00:10:32.000I had the surgery and they said, oh, don't, probably after 12 weeks you'll be back to full strength, you better start fight training again.
00:10:40.000So I did like a full month, just rehab, getting it back to where it was, and then I trained for like six weeks for a fight and I fought on one championship.
00:11:39.000See, the difference between meniscus and ligaments is that that's more of something that they think is really good for tendons and ligaments.
00:11:47.000But there's some real promising results.
00:11:49.000Yeah, I've heard people raving about it.
00:11:50.000Glenn was just telling me about it then.
00:11:51.000One of my friends from home, he uses it on his tendonitis and stuff, and he said it's amazing.
00:11:56.000Yeah, Dr. Mark Gordon is using that in his protocols.
00:11:59.000He's that guy that does a lot of work with traumatic brain injuries and different, you know, people with pretty significant injuries and he's found there's some great papers that are being published right now on BPC 157. There you go, straight into the groin, man.
00:14:57.000But boxing gloves feel more spongy than we've seen?
00:15:00.000Yeah, when you get it with a boxing glove, if you get it on the chin, it wobbles like you're all head because it's such a big surface area to hit.
00:15:06.000With those little gloves hitting you in one point, I got cut four times on one eye.
00:15:11.000I took three or four right hands and every one of them cut me.
00:15:50.000You see a lot of guys like Botter always fought like this with his hands, like those earmuffs.
00:15:56.000The first thing I did as well when I was training to do it, I was sparring with him just to get used to it and I put my fucking hands shut like in a glove of wood and did that and someone kicked me and the fucking knuckle stuck in my head like that and I'm like, oh my god, this is going to be fucking torture trying to get used to putting your hands flat and more head movement and stuff like that.
00:16:27.000That's one of the more interesting cases, because you've got a guy, Pauli Malignaggi, who's a legitimate world champion, a world-class boxer, you know, a few years past his prime and hasn't really been fighting, but then you see him fight a guy like Artem Lobov, who's used to fighting with MMA gloves.
00:16:42.000There's not much of a difference fighting bare-knuckle And Blovov actually winds up beating him in a decision, which nobody fucking talked about.
00:17:19.000Well, he broke his hand in the second round as well, didn't he?
00:17:22.000And he broke it bad because a few weeks ago, because he's a pundit for Sky TV and the boxing, and he had his hand still in plaster or whatever it was then, so it must have been bad.
00:17:32.000And he's very left-handed as well, isn't he?
00:18:19.000Yeah, he's coming on the podcast soon.
00:18:23.000I was a big proponent of no gloves with MMA. I was like, well, if you don't have gloves on your shins and your knees and your elbows, why the fuck do you have them on your knuckles?
00:18:51.000The day after I flew back to England, I went to the gym, I put the gloves on just to try and hit the pads, and I couldn't even make a fist properly for about a week and a half, two weeks.
00:19:58.000That's one of the craziest things about fighting, right?
00:20:01.000Is that you train for years and years and years and then you have this style and you try to make adjustments during the fight.
00:20:08.000But as soon as things get crazy, you go right back.
00:20:11.000That's why I always felt like it's definitely worse to learn things wrong and then relearn them than to not learn anything at all and then start With a blank slate.
00:20:23.000Like if you could teach someone and they were 25 and they had no martial arts experience whatsoever versus teach someone and they have five years of some bullshit.
00:20:33.000The five years of some bullshit, that's going to be in their head.
00:20:37.000Yeah, muscle memory and you've got to iron it out, haven't you?
00:20:39.000That's why we get a lot of people who come to the gym as well who have done karate for years and then you try and teach them how to kick the Thai way and you just can't do it.
00:20:46.000You take it over and over and over because they've been taught that way for so long.
00:20:50.000It's just so difficult to get them out of that old habit.
00:20:52.000You know, some guys were effective even with the karate weight.
00:20:55.000Like, because of the amount of power they could generate.
00:22:51.000I don't know if he had a Kyokushin background.
00:22:53.000I know he had a traditional martial arts background when he got into kickboxing.
00:22:58.000See, he was a good example of a guy who made that transition well into MMA because he was so explosive.
00:23:03.000Whereas there's other guys, like if you had a guy like Peter Ertz who wasn't as explosive, he was more of a technician and methodical, or Ernesto, Ernesto Hust.
00:23:14.000They probably wouldn't have had the same sort of success in MMA as Mirko did.
00:24:12.000I mean, now that the generic Dutch style, like you have Carmen and Ernesto Hoos, now the Dutch style's changed, especially the Moroccans, the guy that's training Baddahari now, Saeed El-Badoui, different style altogether.
00:25:53.000Rico said he just wanted out of the fight.
00:25:55.000When Rico was on the podcast, he's like, you look at him, he goes, he looks at one elbow, and then he changes his mind and looks at the other.
00:29:33.000I think it's because a lot of the time, when they have a class, they all train the same.
00:29:39.000I think they lead off the lead hand a lot, and I think it's very difficult with a Southpaw heavy kicker tie who can step off.
00:29:46.000So do you think it's a Southpaw issue?
00:29:48.000Honestly, I think Southpaw's style is a completely different game altogether.
00:29:54.000For sure, but what about when it's Southpaw or Southpaw?
00:29:56.000I think what the ties are good at is a lot of the Dutch fighters, they fight in rhythms, so it's like they're bouncing with their feet in and out, in and out, and then they explode into the combination.
00:30:06.000Fighters like City Chai and Superbon and guys like that, they're so good at breaking your rhythm and timing, little off-balancing stuff.
00:30:11.000Keeps putting them out of their rhythm, then they're scoring with their shots, stepping off and stuff like that.
00:30:15.000They're so good, even something like a little teet at front leg, they'll just stop them subtly for a minute.
00:30:19.000They'll kick them hard, score, and they'll move, and they're always having to reset themselves, which I don't think the Dutch are used to, really, because when they're fighting other Dutch or Moroccans, they're just standing in front of each other.
00:30:28.000You go, I go, you go, I go, and they're just having a complete war.
00:30:30.000Something subtle like that, what the ties are doing, they're just breaking their rhythm, and they're able to score.
00:30:35.000The trouble is as well, though, there's a flip side to it because a lot of ties start very slowly.
00:30:52.000We've seen that with so many I think there's a different sort of, I think they have a more ingrained, especially the Moroccans, they have a more ingrained sort of, they refuse to lose anything even.
00:31:18.000I think it's sort of a massive pride thing.
00:31:19.000But the problem is, like, they love fighting, right?
00:31:22.000Well, you're fucking yourself over and you're going to limit your ability to fight for long periods of time.
00:31:55.000working as long as I've done some good boxing sparring, hard boxing sparring with the head guards on with James France who is one of our top fighters and he's a really good boxer.
00:32:03.000If I can hold my own with him I know I'm ready to fight.
00:32:07.000What is the difference in the amount of damage you take with hard kick sparring versus hard The thing is, when you start going hard in sparring, especially with how competitive we all are at my gym, because lots of top-level fighters start going hard, and the tighter you get, so you get to around 6, 7, you miss a kick, you kick an elbow, you kick a knee, you do stupid shit, then you've hurt your foot, and then bang knees, you've class knees, and stuff like that.
00:32:30.000When I was younger, I could just check them injuries off, it doesn't matter, I'll just spar again tomorrow.
00:32:33.000But the older I've got, I don't want to even put myself in a position where I need to do that.
00:33:49.000You know, if you're fucking tapping everybody, either you're Hicks and Gracie, and you're just so good, you're better than everybody else, or you're sparring Yeah, that's a wise thing, man.
00:34:17.000It's wise, and I really wish more young fighters would appreciate that early in their career because I think so many of them are compromised by the time they get to the big leagues.
00:34:25.000You know, by the time they get to Bellator or MMA with UFC or, you know, even kickboxing guys, by the time they get to big fights, they've already been dinged up too much.
00:34:38.000Like, fighters who are like 27, 28 should be just starting the prime now for the next four or five years, and they're already punchy as fuck.
00:35:01.000But there's a video of Usek and he was saying about now people aren't moving their feet.
00:35:07.000He said, you watch the American Styles and the British, they're all like doing this and the Philly Shell and stuff like that.
00:35:13.000They're not moving their feet anymore, which I found was really interesting because if you look, their footwork is so superior to a lot of people.
00:35:21.000When he fought Tony Bell, you put up a great performance against him, but he just put him in a position and at the end of it, he was fucked.
00:35:28.000Yeah, not many people realised what he'd actually done either as well.
00:35:30.000He'd put him there and they were waiting and waiting and waiting and when they got him there, he knew he couldn't get out and bang!
00:35:35.000It would have been amazing if we got a chance to see Floyd vs.
00:36:27.000No business being in the ring with him.
00:36:30.000We'll just show you how good Floyd really is.
00:36:34.000People just, because of the fact that he's won decisions by playing it safe, people just don't get excited about him and they recognize him with the all-time greats, he's the best ever.
00:38:31.000In 18 fights, 18 knockouts, just white floor with everyone, never been in that deep water, never been at world level, and he put in a good account of himself, but like...
00:38:39.000He'll be dangerous as fuck after that fight.
00:38:42.000He's going to learn from that experience and understand, like, wow, his conditioning is probably a little off.
00:38:47.000Maybe he needs to lose a little bit of muscle mass, maybe he needs to put in more running, but goddamn he's good.
00:38:57.000You know, I mean, even Crusher said it afterwards, he's like, this guy's a future champion, for sure.
00:39:02.000And I felt sorry for his coach, because his coach is not, you know, a lot of people, they find him unsavory in many ways, because of what he says and stuff, because he said a few things about, he said his skill level was better than Andre Ward's, which is nonsense, no way.
00:39:14.000He said yard skill levels better than Andre?
00:42:08.000It's like she's had, I think, three different surgeries on her forearm.
00:42:12.000She broke her forearm throwing a spinning back fist Fucking hell.
00:42:16.000That's the way Paul Felder broke his too.
00:42:19.000He threw it and you know, you land like this, like with your forearm instead of your fist, you know, and just your arm snaps.
00:42:27.000I think what happens to Savas, Michael Savas?
00:42:29.000Oh, he got, he fought in one and he fought Lursula and he got his leg caught and he lifted him up and swept him and he tried to put his hand down and his elbow dislocated and like twisted the other way.
00:42:49.000They were going to give him a stadium title shot.
00:42:51.000He's just making a name for himself on one.
00:42:53.000He'd smashed his first fight, so I think they were in line for a one title shot as well, which is fucking big money when you're going to be 20 years old.
00:43:19.000I was in Park City and my family and I were driving down the street.
00:43:23.000We saw this lady fall down on her bike.
00:43:25.000She was on the other side of the street and she was crossing and something happened.
00:43:29.000She slipped and she fell and she was just yelling for help and so we looped around.
00:43:36.000I parked the car, I get out, and her fucking elbow was like, the bone went like this, and the elbow went like that, and I'm like, stop moving.
00:44:02.000Like, you know, the lucky thing for her, the cops were there.
00:44:05.000But it's like, seeing you're a bone of a person that's just clearly snapped, and seeing the elbow just kind of hanging loose, it makes you realize how fucking fragile we are.
00:44:14.000When I used to play football, soccer, I've seen it all the time, you know, like, in 50-50 challenges where you used to, and you think, oh, someone's brought the leg there, and you don't look, but then you do look, oh, fucking hell.
00:45:55.000Some people, they look for a way out, and some people look for a way in.
00:45:59.000That really is the difference between people who, win, lose, or draw, love a real epic scrap.
00:46:07.000And I think that towards this end of my career now, When I was younger, a few times I'd gone back foot and try and point score and not get hurt and stuff like that.
00:46:16.000Now I'm just seeing it as I'm an entertainer now, do you know what I mean?
00:46:19.000People pay their hard money, they go out and work, and if they're buying a ticket to come watch me fight, they're going to get a fucking fight, do you know what I mean?
00:46:24.000Win, lose or draw, I will go out on my shield and I'll give them what they want to see.
00:46:51.000I wonder how many fighters' careers could be extended if they took a different approach to the way they recuperated between fights.
00:47:01.000Because I think so many fighters, they'll have a fight, they recuperate a little bit, and then they have another fight, and they recuperate a little bit.
00:47:06.000And there's a lot of benefit to that in terms of your timing.
00:47:10.000And then your relaxation inside the ring because you're so used to competing.
00:47:24.000You wonder, like, if they did a lot of physical rehab or preparation in terms of, like, weightlifting and stretching and yoga and maybe even Pilates and chin-ups and push-ups and just strengthens their body more.
00:50:19.000Yeah, but I still think he landed more punches, but nevertheless, that's open to conjecture, but I honestly think they shouldn't have reversed that.
00:50:35.000The first thing he started, the first 10 seconds, he smashed his leg with about three solid kicks straight away and obviously when your leg's starting to go a little bit, the rest of your game's going out a window as well.
00:50:45.000It was interesting with Giorgio though because he was really jumping in with his right hook.
00:50:49.000So he obviously wanted it, he's obviously wound up about it as well.
00:50:53.000I've never seen him aggressive like that.
00:50:55.000I've never seen him like that before now because he's not only clinical, isn't he?
00:50:57.000I think he probably realized that there was a lot of stink on the first fight being reversed, too.
00:51:04.000I mean, he put it to bed with the second fight.
00:51:08.000But when you're Giorgio Petrosian, you really kind of have this...
00:51:12.000I mean, the one knockout that he lost in glory to Risti.
00:51:56.000When I broke this one before, I broke this probably three or four times, and twice we're in Thailand and I didn't go to hospital because I just didn't trust what they'd do with it.
00:52:02.000I just fucking let it heal like an idiot.
00:52:04.000So now I've got this big, like, claw that I can't even...
00:52:06.000Oh, so it was broken and you never even went to a doctor?
00:52:55.000But that's the thing about strength and conditioning that I wonder.
00:52:59.000how many guys are overusing their body by just continuing to throw, you know, like full power kicks, full power punches at the pads, at the bag, you know, and sparring.
00:53:11.000Whereas like maybe you could extend your career and maybe your body would work more efficiently if you had like a really good strength and conditioning coach who actually understands combat sports and the rigors.
00:53:24.000Well, the one I use in Leeds, Steve Campbell now, he recently, well, because he's training a lot of fighters, he took himself off on a strength and conditioning coach.
00:53:32.000It's a fight seminar, so he's learnt a lot more about that now.
00:53:35.000I've got another one as well, Dan Mitton, who Vinnie uses.
00:53:38.000He's more of a movement and agility coach.
00:53:41.000Doing stuff with him has been fucking amazing, like shoulders, hips, everything like that.
00:55:25.000And that's the best for running, for real running, because it's actually 13%, something like that, harder than actual running, because you're propelling the treadmill as you're running.
00:55:35.000So when you do that, and then you go to regular run, you have more pep in your step.
00:56:02.000Yeah, just to save my knees and stuff.
00:56:04.000I do all my running on the treadmill in like 15 minute high intensity sprint work.
00:56:08.000Because obviously when you fight, you're not like fighting at a slow pace like when you go for a long jog, which is what they've always said to do in Thailand.
00:56:16.000Get up, go run 10k slow, route park on the concrete.
00:56:19.000You're fighting in bursts, so it's more sport specific really to be working like that.
00:56:25.000There's a lot of fighters that they ruin their knees and they can't run anymore and they have to figure out what to do Like Kamaru Usman UFC welterweight champion.
00:56:33.000He's got some of the most incredible cardio of anybody and he can't run His knees are destroyed.
00:59:26.000Going back to the cardio and stuff, though, like, the MMA guys, I think a lot of theirs from, like, wrestling and grappling and stuff like that, their cardio is, like...
00:59:55.000Yeah, he was saying he's not fighting for another couple of months, but he's still doing all the work now.
01:00:00.000Yeah, well, you know, that's what happens with, you know, Bryan is a championship-caliber fighter.
01:00:06.000He never won a title, but he was beating world champions like Frankie Edgar, like really elite guys, and, you know, he just ran into the best guy in the fucking business at 145. And the thing as well, they were telling us what he did to his body in that fight.
01:00:27.000It was one of the best fights I've seen in that.
01:00:28.000Well, to me, Brian Ortega's got great stand-up for sure, but his best skill for sure is his ground game.
01:00:37.000Yeah, and for him to not emphasize that as his strategy in the fight to me just seems, I feel like it's short-sighted because I think he could tap anybody in the world at 145 pounds.
01:02:29.000When I was a bit younger, I used to absolutely smash it.
01:02:32.000I do a lot more flexibility and mobility stuff now, like the exercise bands and stuff like that, instead of just smashing my body with heavy weights and stuff.
01:02:39.000I still do the odd set of high-intensity explosive lifts, like high pulls and a bit of deadlift and stuff like that.
01:02:47.000But I do a lot more on the bands, like...
01:02:49.000Activating my glutes and workouts like that, really.
01:02:52.000How many times do you do strength and conditioning a week?
01:03:40.000And then you've got the Nick Kurson school of thought, the Marv Marinovich school of thought, which was those guys just concentrated almost entirely on strength and conditioning.
01:03:50.000And their thought was that strength and conditioning is everything.
01:03:54.000So when you're in camp, you should just be doing box jumps and rope skips and all these fucking explosive things with balls and medicine balls and shit.
01:04:02.000And their idea is like, get your engine so you have the most incredible gas tank, the most powerful engine.
01:04:10.000And then skill work is secondary while you're in camp.
01:04:14.000And then when you're at a camp, then you work on all your skills.
01:04:17.000Then you hit the pads, you do all these different things.
01:04:20.000You do less of the strength and conditioning, but you maintain a base.
01:04:23.000But then when you go into camp, the camp, like when BJ Penn was at his best, he was training with Marv Marinovich, like when he fought Diego Sanchez, when he fought Sean Shirk, that was the best BJ Penn we ever saw.
01:04:39.000I mean, they just made him go through these absolutely insane strength and conditioning workouts, so they gave him this cardio base and this conditioning base that was just through the roof.
01:04:50.000Yeah, my thing with that would be, the closer the fight gets, one of my main weapons I want to know is working through my eyes, so if I've not sparred enough close to the fights, and I can tell that as well if I'm The closer the fights get when I'm sparring, if I'm getting caught with stuff, that should be seen.
01:05:05.000I can tell, so I'll spar a bit more and stuff like that, so that's my only worry a bit.
01:05:09.000Well, that was the thing with Anthony Yard, when he fought Kovalev, he didn't spar at all.
01:05:33.000And Kovalev was just a couple of inches out, but Kovalev's smart with his jab.
01:05:37.000Well, clearly Kovalev was the best fighter he's ever fought.
01:05:40.000It just takes a while to understand as a fighter.
01:05:45.000You know there's levels to the game, but when you're used to just putting knuckles to face and putting people to sleep, you just think, I'm going to put this guy to sleep too.
01:05:52.000And when it doesn't work out, you're like, okay.
01:05:55.000I had my first 28 pro fights unbeaten, and my fight 29, I fought a Thai champion called Duel, and I dropped him in round two and thought, fucking easy this.
01:06:05.000And he got up and fucked me up, like worse than I have.
01:08:01.000He went, they want it to make it look like they've flown you in from England for their news and stuff, so you're going to have to go to other Westerners.
01:08:08.000I said, yeah, but none of these elite-level cornermen are like, what am I going to do?
01:08:16.000We got off this little propeller plane from Bangkok to Phnom Penh.
01:08:20.000And the first thing that went in my head, I thought, they think I've thrown from fucking England on a propeller plane to know who's going to buy this.
01:08:27.000I said to JT, I said, who am I fighting as well?
01:08:29.000He said, oh, you don't even have to lose weight.
01:08:38.000Got off the plane and all the news people were there with the news cameras and all sorts.
01:08:42.000I thought, it can't be this fucking rubbish.
01:08:43.000I thought news people were there looking pictures and everything.
01:08:48.000Got in the back of this pick-up thing, opened the paper, big spread of him on the paper, got to the weigh-in and went, you're too light, what are you doing?
01:08:56.000I went, I'm 67. The fight's at 69. So we're at 154, not 147. I said, this is fucking bullshit.
01:09:03.000The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous.
01:09:06.000First round, I got absolutely battered.
01:10:02.000Well, I just wanted to get out of there.
01:10:04.000I thought I wanted to get fucking lynched here.
01:10:05.000But yeah, it's like crazy shit like that happened all the time, and all living in Thailand, just like, mad stories, like, promoter coming, Jim, do you want to fight tomorrow?
01:10:25.000The whole culture of fighting over there, the fact that they get those kids to fight, you know, they take them from their parents, essentially, when they're like five, six years old.
01:10:33.000And they spend most of their time in the gym and then they have their first fights when they're little tiny kids And then by the time they're 15 16 years old they might have a hundred fights Well, I remember I fought a fight called singdam and it was my hundred fight Which is a big thing for a westerner and I said to him before the fight Well, it's just hundred fight a lot for a western.
01:10:53.000What do you think about it went that one out 15?
01:10:55.000He didn't give a shit Just stop and think about how crazy that is Like, how many...
01:11:28.000I don't know if it's true or not, but that's what someone told me.
01:11:29.000I think there's an issue with people using that shit though in the clinch because they use it on their body and then they clinch with you and they get it on your face.
01:11:36.000I've had fights before where people have put it on the gloves and stuff and rubbed it on the gloves with Vaseline so they pour it in a tub of Vaseline.
01:12:58.000It's stuff that makes you feel really poorly and that, but sometimes it's like your stomach and you want to spew and you're fucking shitting everywhere and stuff like that.
01:13:05.000But I've seen sometimes where they must have overdosed and the fighters ended up getting taken to hospital and been in a really bad way and stuff.
01:13:10.000So the fight, they're just trying to get an advantage to win the bet.
01:13:13.000But the fight hasn't even ended up happening because they've fucked them up so bad.
01:13:16.000It's like fighting in Thailand's like a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie.
01:13:20.000It's like, there's also a fuckery afoot.
01:15:18.000What is the difference between fighters that trained in Phuket and fighters at the time?
01:15:23.000In Bangkok, they're all there to make a name for themselves on the elite-level stadiums.
01:15:28.000Rajat Amnur, Lumpini, Channel 7, Omnoy, these are the elite of the league.
01:15:32.000These are the guys who are going to get scouted and go on to stuff like one championship, who are going to win titles and get money and become massive names.
01:15:38.000In Phuket, it's just like they're probably just fine for a bit of extra money just to...
01:15:42.000No, just to cap off the wage or something at the end of the week.
01:15:45.000You get a lot of them who've got another job and they just might fight at the end of the week.
01:16:03.000They'll take a few shots and they'll probably fall down.
01:16:06.000But in Bangkok, where the elite are fighting the elite, you know you're not going to get any of that.
01:16:10.000You know people are there just to make a name for themselves, especially in those stadiums.
01:16:15.000That's a crazy place in the world, Bangkok.
01:16:19.000You have to think of this one place where this one style of fighting became the most popular and it's used as gambling.
01:16:28.000If you think of the rest of the world, there's no place where you go where people wrestle for money, where everybody's gambling on wrestling, right?
01:16:34.000There's no place you know where people are throwing money in the air for Western boxing.
01:17:17.000That's the thing when you're fighting the ties, when you're clinching with them, that's why I had to go live where, because you cannot clinch with one of them who's been doing it since we were five, six years old.
01:17:25.000Even like the tall, thin, lean ties, who've got that like wiry strength for still like some of the strongest people, who you'd look at in the middle of the street and think, I'll fuck him up.
01:17:35.000The nicest people who aren't here as well, they're really nice, natured people, they seem so, but you get him in that ring and you're fucked.
01:17:42.000How is Sanchai able to keep up this high level of skill and performance at 40 years old?
01:17:50.000I think his awareness is better than everybody else's.
01:17:54.000I think he's got a sense of awareness that I think special elite people have.
01:17:59.000You know, he's distancing, Giorgio Petrosian or Floyd, they just seem to have this ingrained sort of congruence with the self, you know?
01:18:07.000He also is very agile in terms of his footwork.
01:18:38.000Obviously, the gym where we train is where he is.
01:18:41.000So when I'm in Thailand still, I'm training alongside him, so...
01:18:44.000I see what he does, and that's what's even more impressive about it.
01:18:46.000He'll come in two, three rounds on pads, or two, three rounds, play a spar, no shin pads, nothing strenuous, no S&C. He'll only run a little bit before the fight just to lose weight as well.
01:18:56.000He's got a great sense of humour as well, aren't he?
01:18:58.000He's quite humorous and quite playful.
01:19:00.000How is he able to get away with such little work?
01:19:03.000Because I think a lot of time, when he's fighting now, he's not fighting ties anymore, he's fighting Westerners, and I think a lot of time, when these guys are...
01:19:16.000Even when they try and put it on him, he's so smart, and like Javini was saying, his awareness and his footwork and stuff is so good, he can move off, kick your skull at the point.
01:19:22.000Only really lost to clinchers, didn't he?
01:19:24.000Mainly clinchers who people can grab and knee him.
01:19:26.000And that was only because what they used to do is make Sanchai weigh in at five pounds lighter than them, just so it'd be even for the betting.
01:21:10.000Clinch gyms, so they'll be doing more clinching than anything else.
01:21:13.000And even for the ones who are similar to his style, they're still nowhere near him, to be honest.
01:21:17.000I think it's one of those things, though, as well, where if you see someone like Sanchai and you try and mimic it, a lot of coaches put you off it.
01:21:25.000You know, like the stuff that Lomachenko does.
01:21:26.000If you say to a coach, an old-school boxing coach, oh, I want to start juggling, I want to start standing on one leg, I want to start doing the Schultz test or the numbers, and they seem to go, oh, that's shit, you're doing that.
01:23:13.000That's what makes a good coach as well, being able to bring that out of a fight and add bits of your style to theirs, but mainly let them flourish with their own style.
01:23:22.000But you would also think, how many people can teach you how to fight like Sanchai?
01:25:04.000The only people One have got signed are elite level.
01:25:06.000There's no easy ways out or anything on there.
01:25:09.000All the ties that were signed to him are all elite.
01:25:11.000All the Westerners are the best Westerners.
01:25:14.000He might have got an offer, but to be fair, he can fight twice a month and he can fight all over the world and he's still getting paid good money every time he fights.
01:25:20.000So I don't think it really matters to him, to be honest.
01:25:22.000He's done all that already and fought all them best guys and beat them all even with the weight disadvantage of being pulled down.
01:25:28.000So I don't think he'll really have to worry about that.
01:25:30.000So he's just right now just sort of getting paid and having fun.
01:25:34.000I wonder how much longer he could do it.
01:25:36.000Well, the level he's fighting at and if he keeps himself in shape, then people lose when they get in with him, don't they?
01:26:05.000He's earning money from other stuff, so he doesn't need to be putting himself in an elite level against young, hungry, killer ties who are going to want, oh, I'm going to beat Sanjay, so he's earned his stripes, hasn't he?
01:26:16.000Yeah, and he's earned it the hard way, hasn't he?
01:26:22.000The first time I fought him ten years ago, he couldn't speak a word, but obviously in the gym he's at now in Thailand, there's lots of Westerners coming there just because they know he's there, and he's doing more seminars, so he's learned a lot more now.
01:26:34.000You can have a good crack with him now, you can have a laugh with him.
01:26:59.000Especially the way they've got the shows set out as well, where you've got top-level MMA, top-level kickboxing, top-level Thai, the summit for everyone.
01:27:06.000And it's still going out to these massive numbers.
01:27:15.000I love that they just do whatever the fuck they want, you know?
01:27:18.000I mean, they've got, you know, really interesting talent.
01:27:22.000Yeah, he's been saying as well, your chapter, that they've got some TV deals in America and stuff coming up and then, so they're going to try and bring it over this side as well.
01:27:29.000And there could be, like, some rival to the UFC in the future, hopefully.
01:27:32.000Well, I certainly saw, I don't remember what network it was, but one of their more recent events was on television.
01:27:39.000Like, I was flipping through the cable channels, it said 1FC. I was like, what?
01:28:38.000It doesn't make any goddamn sense to me.
01:28:40.000I think, in my opinion, I think because MMA, I think because there's college wrestling, I think it's stuck as well.
01:28:50.000You know the boxing, America's always had great boxers and always had boxing fights, but I think it may be because of the college wrestling and because it's more of what you're used to.
01:29:11.000If Wynne got over here, though, with their MMA and mixed show, and then...
01:29:17.000If you're sat there waiting for MMA to come on, but in between that you see some fucking crazy tie fight with two people going at it in four-ounce gloves, having a proper war, that might help if they did something like that, do you know what I mean?
01:29:26.000Then you've got like the average Joe who's never seen it before thinking, whoa, what was that?
01:29:31.000And I've never seen that before, I liked that.
01:29:32.000So maybe something like that, like some...
01:29:38.000Well Muay Thai and kickboxing hasn't took off in England either.
01:32:04.000I mean, I would have loved to see a guy like Mike Tyson in his prime if there was a guy like Rico or some elite level kickboxer who could...
01:32:15.000Potentially fuck him up on the way in, you know?
01:32:18.000Someone like Rico's got good kicks and good knees for such a big guy as well.
01:32:21.000It'd be fucking no chance, I don't think.
01:32:24.000Mike Tyson can always close that distance, though.
01:33:24.000guys Bon Crusher Smith wobbled him as well yeah towards the end that was a right hand and then he just wobbled dipped his legs a little bit Bon Crusher Smith was a powerful dude yeah he was he beat Frank Bruno didn't he he was the first person to knock out Frank Bruno Frank Bruno was up and coming heavyweight then yeah Frank Bruno had the most preposterous body ever He was the original Anthony Joshua.
01:33:45.000That's why a lot of people in England say that.
01:33:47.000Yeah, but Joshua's clearly a better fighter, you know, who's definitely more talented.
01:33:52.000But what did you think about that Andy Ruiz fight?
01:33:56.000I'd seen Ruiz fight Parker, and he wasn't that really exciting fighter out, so I didn't even watch it because I thought it was going to be a whitewash.
01:34:04.000And then when I went to the boxing group that we talked about earlier and I seen what had happened, I was like, fucking hell no way.
01:36:52.000I was watching it with my friend, and I was saying, you can see him looking inside the jab.
01:36:56.000There was a gap in Campbell's hands here, and you could see him just dipping all the time, looking for that gap, and then get that, and then...
01:37:05.000I was watching him training to see what I could see and he was throwing up a body shot.
01:37:09.000He threw a body shot and then he was looping left hand.
01:38:02.000And the thing about Lomachenko that's so interesting to me is that his father made him take four years off of boxing just to concentrate on dance for his footwork.
01:40:22.000He'll start a fight orthodox and then just switch southpaw and just stick to southpaw.
01:40:26.000It's almost like he's figuring you out as orthodox, just trying to give you a different thing to get accustomed to, and then all of a sudden...
01:43:03.000Meldrick was getting the kick out off Richard Steele, and if you look, Meldrick looks to his right, and apparently Lou Duva was on the ropes shouting his name, and he looked at him, and then Richard Steele went.
01:43:20.000Does a referee have an obligation to recognize that this fighter can survive and if he does survive, he's probably going to win in decision?
01:45:40.000You said to me, Joe said that Andre Ward was coming on and said if he was going on at the same time, he said, fucking hell, I'll have to pick you up because you'll fern.
01:46:31.000I mean, when he beat Jeff Lacey, I mean, Jeff Lacey was like the Tyson of the Super Middleweight at the time.
01:46:38.000Because I used to, my amateur club, I used to, with the same club as Robin Reid, Robin Reid on a WBC Super Middleweight title, and then he boxed, Jeff Lacey got smashed, I think it was in seven rounds, and he said afterwards, Calzaghe will beat him.
01:46:51.000And then when he was at MEN, it was just like, I thought, fucking hell, Calzaghe's going to get smashed here, but no, he was absolutely class.
01:47:51.000Yeah, well, the way he would say that you don't exist, just the task, the task exists.
01:47:56.000You step into that man and you break his body down and you're like, man, you teach that to a 13-year-old that's never experienced any love in his whole life?
01:48:42.000I think it's a thing where it's so glamorous to see someone like him.
01:48:47.000You see Liam Harrison, you see him smash pads, and you see him.
01:48:50.000But the actual physicality of the pain, of the nerves, of all the shit you have to go through, I think that as men, We want to be like, yeah, fucking oh, blah, blah, blah.
01:48:59.000But when you actually have to go through that, there's a difference in this.
01:49:03.000You'll go where other people won't go in his mind or through the pain and stuff like that.
01:49:08.000And I think it's very difficult for people to actually comprehend men, especially when they think that being a man is defined by that.
01:49:15.000That's what my opinion is, you know, instead of wanting to be the soldier or whatever it is, you know?
01:49:22.000Well, it's also that people have physical limitations.
01:49:24.000That's one of the reasons why Malignaggi is so interesting to me, because he's clearly got a physical limitation.
01:50:09.000He was such a beautiful fighter to watch because his style, this relentless fucking move forward style, ripped the body, and he never gave you any air.
01:50:59.000Because me and my mate was stoned one night.
01:51:02.000And then he said, oh, Chavez, he's on.
01:51:03.000And I was like, oh, no, he's fighting.
01:51:04.000Because it was before internet and all that sort of business.
01:51:07.000And then when he got dropped, what I did notice, because Chavez got dropped with the right hand, all the Mexicans jump up and go, put their hands on their face and went, fucking hell, he's got to drop me, mate.
01:51:27.000And it was also the perfect storm of Chavez at the end of his rope, you know, long career, like, had a lot of wars, and that style was so...
01:54:34.000Well, that's why I got into hypnosis for boxing and sport is because Nigel Benn, after he fought Gerald McClellan, he said, I'd like to thank Paul McKenna for hypnotizing me and making me believe in myself.
01:57:03.000Because he's been in, he got into, he's heavily into the church and the police system like that.
01:57:09.000Him and his wife, I think her name's Caroline, they live in Australia.
01:57:13.000Yeah, because we used to be a party animal, didn't we, back in the day?
01:57:16.000In his book and that it says he'd have a fight and then he'd go out on a Friday night and he wouldn't come back home until Monday.
01:57:21.000He used to do DJing and stuff like that, so he was popping pearls and doing all sorts, out all weekend, and he wouldn't stop until the promoter rang him and said, right, you've got to fight in ten weeks.
01:57:30.000Yeah, and he used to smoke twenty cigarettes a day.
01:57:31.000Then he'd stop and then go back into camp straight away.
01:58:10.000I would imagine that if you're going to be like Bernard Hopkins late in his career, he was an anomaly, but you attributed it to his discipline.
01:58:23.000I wonder, I mean, if Nigel's not doing that, how the fuck is he able to, I mean...
01:58:28.000I mean, he might be doing it now, but he said he looked well, and if he's fighting for a fight camp, yeah, he might do it now, but when I've been to see an interview, he goes, oh, your fish and chips carry, I'm not bothered, you know, and he's like, he eats what he wants, doesn't he?
01:58:40.000His fight with Eubank got me into, like, boxing, that first fight, one of the best fights I've ever seen.
01:58:45.000I hated Eubank forever because of that.
02:00:08.000And then he went out, and then the next round there were five knockdowns in a minute and a half, so Andy dropped the kid twice, ran in to finish him, then got knocked down three times himself and lost some point.
02:03:21.000And you know, him going over to 1FC was a gigantic deal.
02:03:24.000You know, former UFC champion in his prime, heads over to 1FC after a win streak in the UFC. But that Timothy Nostiukin guy is no fucking joke.
02:03:40.000I'm like, how many guys like that are out there that the general public maybe is not aware of, but they're elite, world-class talent?
02:03:47.000There's a lot on that one roster as well.
02:03:49.000When I look at him, I think, fucking hell.
02:03:51.000That's what's crazy about going over there.
02:03:53.000Because you're going over there, like if you're a guy from the UFC, if you say, literally, if you're a Conor McGregor or someone like that, and you're a world champion, you're known throughout the land, everybody knows you, guess what?
02:04:04.000They might have somebody over there that can fucking murk you.
02:06:56.000George thinks he can get to 55. 155. Well, I'm sure I've read someone on the internet that he'd done like a mock wake-up and got himself right down, and I saw that before, and he looked in decent shape.
02:07:50.000If anything trips him up at all, it's like he has this belief that he's the best, and that belief doesn't get shaken by losses, but it also doesn't seem like he makes the proper adjustments.
02:08:05.000That's why I recommend that he goes to Ferasa Hobby.
02:08:08.000I'm like, listen, man, if there's ever a guy who could put...
02:08:10.000I still think he could be a world champion.
02:10:03.000Yeah, I mean, look, Silver walked away like it was a KO. And really, it was kind of a cheap shot because his mouthpiece was out, and he was saying, hey, put my fucking mouthpiece out, we're separated.
02:10:13.000And then Silver's like, check this out.
02:10:21.000Did a little bit with him as well, Mike Bispin.
02:10:23.000Flying knees in MMA is like, when one lands, you know, you're seeing guys land them now, like the Masvidal fight with Ben Askren is the best example of it of all time.
02:10:40.000It's hard to land it clean in Muay Thai as well.
02:10:43.000I've tried myself quite a lot of times when I've been fighting, it is hard to land a clean one to the face.
02:10:47.000You see like the Dutch, what Vinny were on about earlier, they've got it down because what they do is to unload with their hands, make you cover tight, and then drive it straight through a mid-league guard.
02:10:56.000So they've got it down to an art then, but for an actual flying, jumping one right across the ring, it is hard to land in Muay Thai.
02:11:02.000Jordan landed one on Borcal though, didn't he?
02:11:28.000But, you know, when you realize that he planned for that, and then he actually set it up by moving to his right to force Ben to definitely lead with that left leg forward.
02:11:38.000I mean, he really went to that side and then came at him.
02:11:42.000So Ben's instinct, he couldn't avoid it.
02:11:44.000It's like, that's his thing, is to get a hold of you.
02:11:46.000and like here it's right on him and then bang that knee comes right up the middle god damn and then it got another one in there and all the shit talking that went on before that fight that was just a devastating loss Yeah, big time.
02:12:01.000And he's coming back really quickly against Damian Maia.
02:12:05.000And that's an interesting fight because Damian Maia is a fucking strangler.
02:14:08.000But I'm just very disturbed by this whole Colby Covington situation.
02:14:11.000Because I guess, you know, he just feels like they're giving him a shitty deal, and then they're trying to set up someone else to fight Usman next.
02:16:38.000But then he'd lost loads, but then I read somewhere as well that he'd stopped to come back with him.
02:16:41.000Well, that kind of lifestyle, when you only have, like, one chunk of money, and it's just sitting there, you're chewing through that shit every day, buying Rolexes and Cuban cigars, and next thing you're like, hey, bro, you got about 100 grand left.
02:17:58.000I mean, when you're out for so long to decide you're a warrior again and you're back to being a professional athlete again, the commitment is so significant.
02:18:21.000In that first couple of weeks back, getting yourself back into eating clean in the gym every day, getting back into routine and being like...
02:18:27.000Look at that picture, Jamie, that your cursor's on right now.
02:19:43.000It's just his choices that he's made as well.
02:19:46.000Stupid shit like fighting in the street in the middle of Las Vegas, stripping and stuff, thinking no one's going to see it.
02:19:50.000I think it's too much too soon as well, I think.
02:19:52.000You get that much money, you've still got that immature sort of mindset that he's not really around.
02:19:59.000They're so talented, but there's no one around them to either they don't look, they don't get looked after, or they don't listen to who's looking after them.
02:20:46.000Vinny, what is like when you've worked with so many different people and there's so many different psychological issues that fighters deal with.
02:20:54.000What do you think is like one of the primary causes?
02:20:57.000One of the primary things, the psychological missteps that fighters make that you maybe could help them correct?
02:21:54.000And not go down certain avenues of getting carried away.
02:21:57.000A simple example, Eddie told me that before one of his fights in Mexico City, I think it was, he was like, he was just praying or he was that nervous.
02:22:06.000He was praying that he just, I want to go to sleep because his mind was so fucking overactive.
02:22:15.000I'm now working with Cody Nolove, Cody Garbrandt, and they're all so different.
02:22:20.000They're all so talented and brilliant at what they do, but it's all so different.
02:22:24.000To nail it down to one thing would be difficult.
02:22:27.000But many times it's memories of failure?
02:22:31.000Yeah, or just a reminder because in the unconscious, this is my belief that people might argue with it, but I think that you have to have a certain connection with something else in the past to get yourself a reference.
02:22:44.000It's like I believe that anxiety is something from the past, thought about now, projected into the future.
02:22:51.000Projected into the future is ultimately who you are that defines you.
02:22:55.000Or projected into the future as in, you're going to believe you're going to lose.
02:22:59.000So what we've done now is just lead it on to what we've both been doing.
02:23:04.000I've got a new thing called the Shoreman Solution where people can go, an interactive website where they can go on videos and there's quite a lot of videos of different techniques.
02:23:14.000What's the URL? TheShowmanSolution.com.
02:23:32.000That's what pisses me off about fighters.
02:23:34.000They get contacted me two weeks before, help me out, I need help, blah, blah, blah, you know, or on the fight day.
02:23:41.000I worked with Molly McCann who had two fights recently, she won on, but I had to stop Starbucks, throw my kids in the thing and get FaceTime and say blah, blah, blah, but I have worked with Molly anyway.
02:25:05.000Look, you think about how talent arises, right?
02:25:09.000When you get to be in Anderson Silva, when you step into the UFC and fight Rich Franklin, he's the champion.
02:25:13.000A lot of people didn't know who Anderson Silva was, unless you followed him outside the U.S. And you'd go, holy fucking shit, is this guy good?
02:26:22.000Right now, I've been enjoying America, so I'm probably about 160. But when I'm training, even not in fight camp, I'm walking around at about 155, 156. And you fought 1-5-4.
02:26:34.000What kind of hydration test do they give you guys to make sure that you're not cutting weight?
02:27:33.000And so by making you do it several times, they're saying, like, we know what you are.
02:27:38.000Yeah, and you're not going to, like, go weigh in and then put on 25, 30 pounds overnight and be a giant the next day, you know what I mean?
02:27:44.000So you're both going to be the same size.
02:28:17.000If you can actually regain your strength, then because of the real experts like George Lockhart, guys are really good at getting guys rehydrated and weighing you in, sucking all that water out of your body, and then putting it back slowly and correctly.
02:29:02.000Like you say, if you've got someone who's lost 5 pounds and someone who's lost 20 pounds and the next day they're putting 30 pounds on, which is just crazy.
02:29:12.000Vinny, are you seeing a rise in people that take this mental training seriously and take things like mindset training seriously?
02:29:19.000Yeah, and in different sports as well.
02:29:22.000Thank you for having us on here because it does get us a lot of attention, doesn't it?
02:29:39.000If I'd nematise you and it didn't work, I'd have to sit here for two hours going, that was shit.
02:29:45.000Well, I treated it with respect, and I treated it with full attention, and I didn't go into it skeptically.
02:29:51.000I went into it with an open mind, you know, and it's real.
02:29:55.000I tried to explain the state of mind that you achieve when you're hypnotized.
02:30:00.000It's very hard to describe, you know, without experiencing it, because it's different than any other state of mind that I've ever had, but you are awake.
02:30:06.000That's the other thing that weirds people out.
02:30:25.000When you say linguistics, you mean by using special language, words in combination?
02:30:30.000Yeah, and listening to how people's language patterns are.
02:30:32.000A lot of hypnotherapists now on my Instagram and stuff, they're all like, sleep, hey, look at me, and blah, blah, blah, and you're out, and I don't like that.
02:30:41.000I can do that, but there's more subtle ways of doing it.
02:30:45.000And I've been working with different people, Bob Burns.
02:30:47.000Okay, but what do you mean when you're saying linguistics?
02:30:50.000You mean like people using negative language that they need to stop?
02:30:53.000And language to try and get them out of the model of the world.
02:30:57.000So inside, to try and move them through their model of the world or their understanding of what they think their problem is.
02:31:04.000So once you think about a problem and if you linguistically guide them, when they go back to it, it's not the same.
02:31:12.000When you keep saying linguistically, give me an example.
02:32:09.000But then when I were having the rematch with a guy who just beat me, and not only beat me, smashed me to fucking pieces, you know, first time that had ever happened, and we were getting brought to England and we were fighting in one of the biggest stadiums in England in front of everyone, so I thought, why not go use Vinny and try and make my mind as strong as my body's going to be?
02:32:26.000You can't ever be overprepared, so I thought, I'll just try and do both.
02:34:11.000Yeah, I mean, he's telling you stories about, like, mental toughness while he's running.
02:34:16.000There's something undeniably effective about that.
02:34:20.000He's better than somebody that just stood on a stage saying, oh, we'll do this, this, and this, and this will happen, and he's there doing it in front of you.
02:34:33.000The audiobook's even better than the book because you get to hear him talking about each individual chapter, like on these unreal stories in between the chapters.
02:34:54.000But it's just important to know that there are people like that out there that are going to take it to the top level of human physical potential.
02:35:20.000But what I like about this show and what I like about you is you give people understandings of things that you wouldn't really look into, like David Sinclair, Matthew Walker...
02:35:29.000You know, these people that give us information and that.