The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #83 with Firas Zahabi

00:00:02.000 If you're listening to this, an audio version, you are denied the beauty of my salmon-colored t-shirt.

00:00:09.000 Beautiful TriStar.

00:00:11.000 You look good in it.

00:00:12.000 I look very good in your shirt.

00:00:14.000 Thanks for coming here, brother.

00:00:15.000 Pleasure.

00:00:15.000 Glad to be here.

00:00:16.000 Pleasure to have you, man.

00:00:17.000 I use one of your expressions all the time, the touch of death, and there is no better example than what we saw Saturday night with Deontay Wilder.

00:00:26.000 Jesus Christ, can that guy punch?

00:00:29.000 I had him losing all the rounds.

00:00:31.000 Yeah, me too.

00:00:31.000 And I thought one round was really close, could go either way, but I had it six to none.

00:00:35.000 And that right hand, my God!

00:00:38.000 It's so crazy!

00:00:39.000 It doesn't even make sense.

00:00:41.000 When you look at that shot, it landed it above, like, kind of like in the forehead, this area.

00:00:47.000 Not even on the chin.

00:00:49.000 No.

00:00:50.000 Usually here, if you're a powerful puncher, You could daze a guy.

00:00:53.000 Yeah.

00:00:53.000 Put him out the way he did?

00:00:54.000 Yeah.

00:00:55.000 Wow!

00:00:56.000 And no wind up too.

00:00:57.000 No wind up.

00:00:57.000 Just right from here.

00:00:58.000 That's touch of death.

00:01:00.000 Crazy.

00:01:00.000 Like nobody ever.

00:01:02.000 Think about that guy's record.

00:01:03.000 41 knockouts.

00:01:06.000 One decision, one draw.

00:01:08.000 It's incredible.

00:01:09.000 Undefeated, 41 knockouts in 42 fights.

00:01:14.000 I mean, that is bonkers.

00:01:16.000 And he was getting out-boxed.

00:01:17.000 He's not the best boxer.

00:01:18.000 Well, he doesn't care to box with you.

00:01:21.000 He knows.

00:01:23.000 It's such a crazy strategy because...

00:01:26.000 Out of anyone that has ever fought in the heavyweight division, he is the one guy that literally can shut everyone's lights out with one shot.

00:01:34.000 Everyone's a knockout artist.

00:01:35.000 Foreman was a knockout artist.

00:01:37.000 Frazier, Tyson, of course, was a knockout artist, but not like this guy.

00:01:40.000 This guy's got, it's like another level of craziness.

00:01:44.000 I would agree.

00:01:45.000 I mean, he knows himself.

00:01:46.000 That's what's so beautiful.

00:01:48.000 If he was less strategic, he would have started fighting really early and maybe zap that power he has.

00:01:53.000 But he knows.

00:01:54.000 He knows exactly.

00:01:55.000 He didn't care he lost six rounds.

00:01:56.000 He had no qualms about it and he got hurt just before he knocked out Luis.

00:02:03.000 He was hurt.

00:02:04.000 And he stayed calm.

00:02:05.000 He's like, oh, now you're going to come for it?

00:02:06.000 Now you're going to walk into the right.

00:02:07.000 And bang!

00:02:08.000 It's incredible.

00:02:09.000 Well, I think he also knew that from the first fight, Ortiz started to fade.

00:02:13.000 And the first fight was very similar in that the first few rounds, there was very little action.

00:02:18.000 And then it started to pick up.

00:02:19.000 And then Ortiz started to fade.

00:02:20.000 But Ortiz put it on him in that first fight.

00:02:22.000 If you watch that first fight, you're like, wow, this is a crazy rematch for him to take.

00:02:26.000 Yeah.

00:02:26.000 In this fight, he just fought a perfect strategy, just waiting.

00:02:30.000 And people, oh my god, I was on Twitter reading people, this guy can't even box.

00:02:34.000 Did you not see what happened?

00:02:37.000 You say he can't box.

00:02:38.000 He's undefeated.

00:02:40.000 He's the fucking heavyweight champion of the world.

00:02:42.000 He tied Muhammad Ali for the most title defenses ever.

00:02:46.000 Did you really just say he can't box?

00:02:48.000 In fact, he's a professional boxer.

00:02:51.000 Go in there with him then.

00:02:52.000 Go in there.

00:02:53.000 If I laced you up, right before you would be like, you'd be so petrified you would turn white and faint.

00:02:58.000 The way he punches is so strange.

00:03:00.000 It's so strange.

00:03:02.000 And you know, when he fought Tyson Fury, he told me he weighed 209 pounds.

00:03:05.000 Oh, really?

00:03:06.000 209. That's it.

00:03:07.000 That's it.

00:03:07.000 Wow.

00:03:08.000 Crazy.

00:03:10.000 Wow!

00:03:11.000 He's a phenomenal...

00:03:12.000 All humans are not created equal.

00:03:15.000 Some people just have a beautiful hand of cards.

00:03:19.000 That guy's got four aces, and he puts them right in your face.

00:03:22.000 Boom!

00:03:23.000 He understands what he's good at, and he fights that way, which is brilliant.

00:03:28.000 I always tell my students, fighting is two things.

00:03:30.000 One is level.

00:03:32.000 You've got to get to a certain level.

00:03:34.000 And then the second thing, you have to figure out your style.

00:03:37.000 You have to know everything about what you do.

00:03:39.000 Like, for instance, if you look at Ali and Tyson, they fought totally differently.

00:03:44.000 Two equally, in my opinion, like, okay, we could split hairs and say who was better.

00:03:48.000 Let's say they fought, it would be very competitive.

00:03:50.000 Whoever you think would win in that fight, it would be very competitive.

00:03:54.000 Ali fights the total opposite of Tyson.

00:03:57.000 Ali circles supposedly the wrong way.

00:04:00.000 If you look at the book of boxing, they tell you don't circle towards the power side.

00:04:02.000 He doesn't care.

00:04:03.000 In his style, it makes sense.

00:04:05.000 He's up on his toes.

00:04:06.000 He's jabbing.

00:04:07.000 He rarely ever throws a body shot.

00:04:09.000 He's thrown a handful of body shots in his entire career.

00:04:12.000 Whereas Tyson is the total opposite.

00:04:14.000 He marches forward.

00:04:15.000 He has that peekaboo style.

00:04:17.000 He's got the gloves tied up to his chin.

00:04:19.000 And a totally different style.

00:04:22.000 If Tyson tried to fight like Ali, he would lose.

00:04:25.000 But they're at the same level.

00:04:26.000 But they figure it out.

00:04:27.000 Hey, what am I good at?

00:04:28.000 What advantages do I have physically?

00:04:31.000 What disadvantages do I have physically?

00:04:33.000 And that's why at one point you have to figure out your style.

00:04:35.000 And I feel that's where most fighters fall apart.

00:04:38.000 They never figure out their style.

00:04:39.000 They're trying to do what some trainer told them.

00:04:40.000 They're trying to do what the guy they most admire in the ring does.

00:04:43.000 They never find out exactly what's best for them.

00:04:46.000 Mmm, that's such a good point because it's such a creative art form in that way and I do believe that martial arts are an art form I really do because to me it's so beautiful like even that right hand that Deontay landed that to me was gorgeous There's never been a prettier sunset or a more beautiful mountain just blap watch that spray That's the way you see the spray the sweat come off his head and then Ortiz crumbles and Deontay walks away like this chest up like motherfucker you're not getting up He knew he wasn't getting up.

00:05:16.000 He knew.

00:05:17.000 When he dropped him, he walked off right away.

00:05:20.000 He knew he was calm.

00:05:20.000 It's the way he walked off, too.

00:05:22.000 It's just like, he knows.

00:05:24.000 God damn, that guy's got crazy power.

00:05:27.000 But what you said is so important because it's a creative endeavor.

00:05:32.000 You're trying to figure out how to land shots, and you're also trying to disguise what your ideas are, what your tactics are, and you've got to figure out what works best for your body type.

00:05:45.000 And that's so open-ended, like martial arts are so, it's so open-ended.

00:05:50.000 Once the referee says fight, there's all this creativity involved, and that's something that I think a lot of people don't really appreciate.

00:05:57.000 Yeah.

00:05:57.000 A hundred percent.

00:05:58.000 Sometimes you have a trainer who kills that creativity because he tells you, look, this is how you fight.

00:06:02.000 Right.

00:06:03.000 And if you go outside of that mold, no, no, you're reprimanded.

00:06:06.000 Yes.

00:06:06.000 So me, if a fighter wants to drop his hands, should you drop your hands in a fight or should you hold them up?

00:06:10.000 Well, it depends what kind of guy you are.

00:06:12.000 If you got incredible eyes and you see shots coming from a mile away and you're successful with your hands down or one hand down per se, let's say.

00:06:21.000 Then keep doing it.

00:06:22.000 But that's why I think sparring is so important, because when we spar, we actually try it.

00:06:26.000 Now we're testing.

00:06:26.000 We're testing, hey, does this airplane fly?

00:06:29.000 Or is it going to crash and burn?

00:06:30.000 Well, we better test it in the gym before we take it out in the arena and find out it doesn't fly.

00:06:34.000 And I always tell guys, look, if you're fighting with your hands down, show me in practice that you're successful.

00:06:40.000 Then I won't say anything negative.

00:06:43.000 I won't change your style.

00:06:44.000 I'll let it be.

00:06:44.000 But first we have to see that you're successful, because theory is one thing.

00:06:48.000 But then when you get in there and try it, it's a whole other.

00:06:50.000 Well, Wonderboy Thompson is an excellent example of that.

00:06:53.000 Exactly.

00:06:54.000 He fights so well with his hands down.

00:06:56.000 He is, to me, the consummate karate style fighter that has made the perfect transition to MMA because he fights so well with his hands down.

00:07:05.000 You don't know where stuff's coming.

00:07:07.000 You don't know whether it's coming up, whether it's coming around, whether it's going straight at you.

00:07:11.000 You don't see it until you're looking at his body and these things are coming up from his hands being down like this and he's standing sideways.

00:07:20.000 You can take him to the wrong trainer and ruin him.

00:07:23.000 Let's say he was really young and he was forbidden that style.

00:07:26.000 Because some trainers do that.

00:07:27.000 They forbid a certain style.

00:07:28.000 They forbid a certain type of maneuver or style altogether.

00:07:34.000 Like for instance in the 70s most trainers would not train a left-handed boxer.

00:07:39.000 They switch you around.

00:07:40.000 No, no, I don't train left-handed.

00:07:42.000 You gotta be right-handed.

00:07:43.000 We gotta convert you.

00:07:45.000 But that's a detriment to the fighter.

00:07:48.000 Because your trainer is limited and he only understands fighting in one way, now I'm gonna limit my fighter.

00:07:55.000 It's totally wrong, in my opinion.

00:07:57.000 What do you think about fighters who say that even if you're a right-handed person, there's an advantage to fighting as a southpaw?

00:08:03.000 Because you have your most dexterous hand, the hand that you have the most control of, is your lead hand.

00:08:09.000 And you're also fighting in this unusual stance that is only like...

00:08:13.000 What is southpaw?

00:08:14.000 It's like maybe two out of ten people, something like that.

00:08:16.000 Right, here in the West, yeah.

00:08:17.000 If you go to Asia, it's a lot more.

00:08:19.000 Is it really?

00:08:19.000 Yeah, the Asians are more southpaw.

00:08:21.000 I think, you know, the...

00:08:23.000 The wheel of the car is on the other side.

00:08:26.000 And there's stick shift.

00:08:27.000 I don't know.

00:08:28.000 It's like a left-handed world almost.

00:08:29.000 A lot of things are the other way around.

00:08:31.000 Yeah, like they drive on the other side of the road.

00:08:34.000 The driver's on the other side of the car.

00:08:36.000 So I don't know.

00:08:36.000 Maybe it affects the way you're developed.

00:08:39.000 But I agree.

00:08:40.000 I always tell fighters, try both sides and see which one you like better.

00:08:44.000 I can't tell you which one you're more comfortable with.

00:08:46.000 Maybe one of your eyes is the stronger.

00:08:48.000 So when you're like this, it's kind of killing you.

00:08:50.000 So you need to be like that.

00:08:51.000 You never know until you test.

00:08:53.000 So I like to let the guys figure it out.

00:08:55.000 So when people tell me, do I grab it like this or like that?

00:08:58.000 In some instances, there's a right way and a wrong way.

00:09:00.000 As far as we know, one way is right, one way is wrong.

00:09:02.000 And sometimes it doesn't make a difference.

00:09:04.000 I tell guys, grab like you're comfortable.

00:09:06.000 Because I do it the way I like to do it.

00:09:08.000 I don't do it the way my trainer showed me.

00:09:09.000 So in this particular instance, I say it's a question of comfort.

00:09:13.000 Like people freak out if you grab a kimura like this with your thumb.

00:09:16.000 I don't.

00:09:16.000 In some instances, I grab the kimura with my thumb.

00:09:19.000 In some instances, I don't.

00:09:21.000 So I just show people both and I say, look, that part, it's up to you.

00:09:24.000 You certainly can finish it by using the thumb.

00:09:26.000 Sure.

00:09:26.000 In some instances, it's stronger with the thumb.

00:09:28.000 In some instances.

00:09:29.000 Yeah, because you have better hand control.

00:09:31.000 Sure.

00:09:31.000 Yeah, you know, just clamping down on it, you're actually isolating it.

00:09:34.000 I mean, some people have just ridiculous grip with their hands, too.

00:09:38.000 That should play a factor in there, as well.

00:09:40.000 Do you remember Semi Schilt?

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 Semi Schilt had hands that were as big as his table.

00:09:45.000 He'd grab ahold of the guy's wrists, and they'd be just fucked.

00:09:49.000 Like, if you were in his guard, he'd just grab your wrist.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, he did that with Fedor.

00:09:52.000 Yeah, this is you for the whole round.

00:09:54.000 He's like, get...

00:09:55.000 Venom Page did that with Lima.

00:09:57.000 Yes.

00:09:57.000 You remember that?

00:09:58.000 Yes, yes.

00:09:59.000 Crazy grip.

00:10:01.000 Well, that's a great fight too, huh?

00:10:03.000 Lima, that's an argument for me.

00:10:05.000 Lima is one of the arguments for me where I feel like there's got to be, as a fan, I want to see Lima fight the best 170-pounders in the world.

00:10:16.000 So a co-promotion.

00:10:17.000 I know the UFC never wants to see a co-promotion because that pumps up Bellator.

00:10:21.000 But right now, Lima, especially after he just decisioned Rory, you know, and the way he knocked out Michael Page.

00:10:27.000 I mean, nobody's done that to Page before.

00:10:30.000 The way he did it.

00:10:31.000 Like, that guy can put anyone to sleep.

00:10:33.000 Can I ask you, who did you give round one to?

00:10:35.000 Page versus Lima.

00:10:37.000 I thought it was 50, like I was right around the middle.

00:10:39.000 I'd have to watch it again because all I remember was Lima starching him.

00:10:43.000 In round one?

00:10:44.000 No, no, no.

00:10:44.000 I mean, when did it end?

00:10:46.000 Round two.

00:10:46.000 Round two, yeah.

00:10:47.000 But he got hurt right before he knocked them out.

00:10:49.000 He got a little wobbled and then he kind of got his base again and then low kick, boom, uppercut.

00:10:55.000 Vicious.

00:10:55.000 Yo, he's so dangerous.

00:10:57.000 He's so dangerous.

00:10:58.000 And his low kicks are some of the best in the world.

00:11:00.000 That first fight with Rory.

00:11:02.000 Jesus Christ, that swelling on his leg.

00:11:04.000 Didn't he say that took like six months before he could use it right?

00:11:07.000 Oh, his leg's still not the same.

00:11:08.000 Really?

00:11:10.000 It's like a torsum fascia, so if you look at it, his leg is a little bit like there's like some hanging soft tissue.

00:11:17.000 That's like Pedro Hizzo.

00:11:19.000 You remember Pedro Hizzo when he was fighting heavyweight?

00:11:20.000 Yeah.

00:11:21.000 He would kick guys in the leg and they'd have this look on their face like, what in the fuck is that?

00:11:25.000 Mm-hmm.

00:11:27.000 Yeah.

00:11:27.000 There's levels.

00:11:28.000 That's why in the rematch, we want to make sure we got to take that off the table.

00:11:32.000 Yes.

00:11:32.000 I look forward to a trilogy match.

00:11:34.000 It's one-on-one now.

00:11:36.000 Roy's had some conversations where he's talked about not fighting again.

00:11:41.000 You know what?

00:11:41.000 I think he's had some mixed emotions, but I think it's clear he wants to fight now.

00:11:45.000 There's no question about it.

00:11:46.000 I think it was just that moment in the ring and he was emotional, but once his head clears up, he wants to fight again.

00:11:52.000 I don't think you could stop him from fighting.

00:11:53.000 He loves to fight.

00:11:55.000 Well, he's so good.

00:11:56.000 He's so good.

00:11:56.000 He'll be back.

00:11:58.000 What did you think when he went up to fight Mousasi?

00:12:00.000 I was worried about that fight.

00:12:02.000 I didn't like that fight.

00:12:03.000 I didn't like that fight either.

00:12:04.000 But if you want to win double gold, you got to take that risk.

00:12:07.000 But personally, I'll be honest with you.

00:12:09.000 I don't think you should fight a champion in his prime when you're a weight class below.

00:12:13.000 When they were asking for BJ Penn versus George, I was like, yeah, let's do it.

00:12:16.000 George is in his prime right now.

00:12:18.000 You want to bring a champion and a guy with another belt?

00:12:21.000 But I think it was a bad decision for BJ. If I was BJ's trainer, I wouldn't let him do that.

00:12:25.000 For instance, when they wanted to put him with Anderson Silva, I said, look, give me a game plan that I'm really confident in, and then we'll do it.

00:12:33.000 But maybe not when he's at his prime.

00:12:34.000 It's just so dangerous, and I'll tell you why.

00:12:37.000 You can win.

00:12:38.000 But then shorten your career.

00:12:41.000 Yes.

00:12:41.000 Because at that level, 15 pounds more is 15 tons more.

00:12:46.000 Well, there's fights that people win, and even if they won.

00:12:49.000 My position on Stipe versus Francis Ngannou is very similar.

00:12:53.000 I mean, I know Stipe won that fight, but Jesus Christ, Francis Ngannou, he scares the shit out of me, man.

00:12:59.000 He hits people so hard.

00:13:02.000 When he knocked out Alistair, I mean, literally, like, you saw his soul leave his body.

00:13:06.000 And then Stipe survives that fight, but then gets KO'd by DC with one punch shortly afterwards.

00:13:13.000 And it's something that I don't want to take anything away from DC, because he clearly landed that punch.

00:13:19.000 It was clearly a strategy of working in the clinch and is a beautiful punch.

00:13:23.000 And who knows?

00:13:24.000 Maybe he lands that beautiful punch in the rematch and he knocks him out again.

00:13:27.000 Maybe it could have happened, but it didn't.

00:13:30.000 And I wondered how much of that punch, having such a dramatic effect on Stipe, who's had an amazing chin most of his career, how much of that was because of that incredible war that he had with Francis.

00:13:41.000 Because the first round of that was terrifying.

00:13:44.000 It was.

00:13:45.000 Terrifying!

00:13:46.000 And the thing is, if Ngannou loses...

00:13:48.000 He's going to lose in a way that's not so bad.

00:13:50.000 But if you lose to Nganu, it could be the end of your career.

00:13:53.000 Yes.

00:13:53.000 Like, you may never be the same.

00:13:55.000 So, did he help DC? Well, for sure.

00:13:57.000 You know, it's all cumulative.

00:13:58.000 Yes.

00:13:58.000 Excuse me.

00:13:59.000 But other fighters, I mean, Jon Jones helped Miocic as well.

00:14:02.000 But I get what you're saying.

00:14:04.000 Like, Nganu's got the touch of death.

00:14:06.000 Like, if I was his trainer, I'd put him in boxing.

00:14:08.000 Yes.

00:14:08.000 As well.

00:14:08.000 I'd be looking at boxing fights.

00:14:10.000 Well, you know he's talking about that.

00:14:11.000 Well, he should be.

00:14:12.000 He has a few fights left on his UFC deal, and apparently his idea is to one day make his way into boxing, which is just fantastic.

00:14:21.000 He's so big.

00:14:23.000 He's lifting weights again, apparently, just randomly.

00:14:26.000 I ran into his agent at this place called Dreamscape.

00:14:29.000 Do you know what Dreamscape is?

00:14:30.000 No.

00:14:31.000 DreamScape is this cool virtual reality thing in LA. You put on these goggles and you go through this adventure.

00:14:36.000 And his family and my family did it together, just randomly.

00:14:39.000 Just happened to be teamed up together.

00:14:40.000 And we were talking about Francis.

00:14:42.000 And he was saying that Francis wants to eventually fight as a boxer, as a heavyweight boxer.

00:14:46.000 That's his dream.

00:14:47.000 And that right now he's been lifting weights and he's like well over 270. He's apparently like 275, 279, somewhere in that range.

00:14:54.000 But he's got to be careful with weights because weights can actually make you weaker.

00:14:57.000 Like if you balloon yourself up too far, it can gas you out and later on you can lose the sustainability of your power.

00:15:03.000 There's a right amount of muscle for each athlete.

00:15:05.000 I don't agree that bigger is always better and more power.

00:15:09.000 It's not necessarily the case, but he has to stay within his natural limits for optimal power.

00:15:14.000 Also, he has to make sure that...

00:15:16.000 Look, a guy that big, at 279 pounds, he's probably not really accustomed to cutting weight.

00:15:23.000 There he is.

00:15:24.000 Boom, boom.

00:15:24.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:15:25.000 The guy's got some thighs on him.

00:15:27.000 The power that guy has, though.

00:15:29.000 Just ridiculous.

00:15:30.000 So, yeah, he's at the UFC Performance Institute, so he gets a chance to use all...

00:15:33.000 They have an amazing facility there.

00:15:35.000 Have you trained down there at all?

00:15:36.000 Yes, I have.

00:15:37.000 I've been there a few times.

00:15:38.000 It's incredible, huh?

00:15:38.000 I was actually supposed to work with Nganu, but we had a little trouble connecting, but getting him in the country and all that.

00:15:48.000 I would definitely put them in boxing.

00:15:49.000 I would do both.

00:15:50.000 I would do MMA in boxing.

00:15:52.000 But it's like in Thailand.

00:15:54.000 In Thailand, if you've got good hands, like if you do a couple of Thai fights, Muay Thai fights, and you knock a couple of guys out with your hands, they take you right away into boxing.

00:16:00.000 They see the potential.

00:16:02.000 Yeah, because there's more money in boxing.

00:16:03.000 If you're world champion Muay Thai, it's not the same as being world champion in boxing.

00:16:07.000 How much do you think Deontay Wilder won this weekend?

00:16:10.000 I don't know.

00:16:11.000 But the way he's winning, it's got to be something special.

00:16:14.000 I hope.

00:16:15.000 It's got to be.

00:16:15.000 He's heavyweight world champion.

00:16:16.000 Yes, I would hope.

00:16:18.000 But the interesting thing, too, is this tournament that's involved.

00:16:22.000 This is an unofficial tournament, right?

00:16:24.000 Because what do we have?

00:16:25.000 Are we a week or so away from the rematch between Andy Ruiz and Anthony Joshua?

00:16:32.000 It's got to be coming up soon.

00:16:33.000 I think it's about a week.

00:16:34.000 I think it's next weekend.

00:16:35.000 But that fight, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!

00:16:37.000 That's another one.

00:16:38.000 And Joshua looks so good in training.

00:16:41.000 And Andy Ruiz, man, you can't judge that guy on his belly.

00:16:45.000 You don't know nothing if you think that's what it is.

00:16:47.000 You think that's what fighting is?

00:16:48.000 Do you guys have a tissue somewhere?

00:16:49.000 Sorry, my nose is like...

00:16:51.000 Thank you.

00:16:52.000 His hands are spectacular.

00:16:54.000 The fluidity of his combinations, it's gorgeous, man.

00:16:57.000 Mexican Rocky.

00:16:58.000 Oh, he's so good.

00:16:59.000 I love watching that guy throw combinations.

00:17:01.000 And when he fought Joshua, that was the thing.

00:17:04.000 If he hit him once, he's going to hit him 13, 14, 15 times after that.

00:17:08.000 Bang!

00:17:09.000 Bang!

00:17:09.000 And the hands are like a middleweight's hands.

00:17:11.000 I mean, he's so fast.

00:17:13.000 He moves beautifully.

00:17:14.000 He takes a shot great too.

00:17:16.000 And he's such a sweet, unassuming guy.

00:17:20.000 He wins the title and you're like, fuck yeah.

00:17:22.000 You're happy for him.

00:17:24.000 He's such a nice guy, man.

00:17:26.000 But do you think Joshua underestimated him?

00:17:28.000 Well, the word is, and this is from people that really know what's going on.

00:17:34.000 I mean, I can't give specifics, but apparently Joshua got knocked out in training.

00:17:39.000 Oh, really?

00:17:40.000 Yes.

00:17:40.000 Like, a couple weeks out.

00:17:42.000 Like, bad.

00:17:42.000 And...

00:17:44.000 That's one of the reasons why they say his father was so furious at the promoter after Ruiz knocked him out.

00:17:50.000 And it's also one of the reasons...

00:17:51.000 They said that he had some sort of a panic attack in the locker room leading up to the fight.

00:17:56.000 So if he was compromised and he knew he was compromised, and you know as well as anybody, there's certain knockouts that you can get in the gym that can fuck a fighter up for months.

00:18:04.000 Oh yeah, of course.

00:18:07.000 I've seen it.

00:18:07.000 That's why in the practice room I don't like rough training.

00:18:12.000 I don't like rough training.

00:18:13.000 Like, certain fighters who are coming up to a fight, I'll let it go further.

00:18:16.000 I get it.

00:18:17.000 We need the intensities.

00:18:18.000 But I don't like to go in the gym and see this guy knocked out this guy, then this guy knocked out this guy.

00:18:22.000 What happens?

00:18:23.000 You go in the practice room, there's nobody there the next week for sparring.

00:18:26.000 Sparring has to be practice, not fighting.

00:18:28.000 So if I had a world champion and he's sparring, and I felt one of his sparring partners was out of control, I would definitely have a talk with him or not use him anymore.

00:18:35.000 Like, when George spars, I pick all his rounds, but they have to be reasonable rounds, not...

00:18:40.000 Not touch barring, but not also being malicious and trying to injure each other.

00:18:46.000 But George told me that you told certain guys to try to knock him out.

00:18:49.000 Yes.

00:18:50.000 Yeah, this is true also.

00:18:51.000 I put a bounty on him as well.

00:18:54.000 Because the guys at one point, he was too famous.

00:18:56.000 Nobody wanted to touch him no more.

00:18:57.000 And it was too low.

00:18:58.000 Oh, I see.

00:18:59.000 So I'm like, listen.

00:19:00.000 Put them on the ground.

00:19:01.000 I'm going to Twitter it for you.

00:19:03.000 Your Tinder is going to explode.

00:19:04.000 You're going to become famous.

00:19:06.000 You're going to be the number one man on Tinder.

00:19:08.000 Everybody's swiping right for you.

00:19:09.000 You're the guy who took GSP down.

00:19:10.000 I pumped them up because they're too...

00:19:12.000 Oh, it's GSP. Right, right.

00:19:14.000 So there's a balance.

00:19:15.000 There's too little and then there's too much.

00:19:18.000 If you're trying to throw vicious knees...

00:19:20.000 If I see you're trying to be rough...

00:19:25.000 Overly rough.

00:19:26.000 Because this is a control.

00:19:27.000 If I touch you, I'm going to back off if I hurt you.

00:19:29.000 But if I touch you and I'm trying to knee you and kick you and I'm trying to like...

00:19:32.000 That's like, hey, this guy is...

00:19:33.000 And the thing is with George, sometimes I'll keep a guy fresh.

00:19:35.000 So he'll be two rounds in and then I put in a fresh guy.

00:19:38.000 So that fresh guy has to have some control as well because George is tired now.

00:19:41.000 You know, he's fatigued and etc.

00:19:43.000 So, I mean, there's a balance.

00:19:45.000 There's too little and there's too much.

00:19:46.000 So...

00:19:47.000 If you get knocked out in practice before a title fight, it could be an accidental, but it could also be negligence.

00:19:53.000 The guys are just too rough.

00:19:54.000 Because sometimes you do go in boxing gyms and it's like, kill or be killed.

00:19:57.000 That's the attitude.

00:19:58.000 Yeah.

00:19:59.000 Well, it's a lot of MMA gyms as well.

00:20:00.000 I agree.

00:20:01.000 And it's very unfortunate because a lot of people, they ruin their career inside the gym.

00:20:06.000 Because they're sparring not just once a week, but twice, three times a week.

00:20:10.000 And they might get concussed.

00:20:12.000 They might get concussed on Tuesday and spar again on Thursday.

00:20:14.000 And that's very, very common.

00:20:16.000 Absolutely.

00:20:17.000 And there's no regulation.

00:20:18.000 No one's stopping you from sparring.

00:20:19.000 If you got head kicked tomorrow, no one's stopping you from showing up on Saturday and putting your mouthpiece in and going into class.

00:20:25.000 It's just...

00:20:26.000 It's nuts.

00:20:28.000 And I think most people don't think about those sparring sessions as being cumulative, like that adding on to the number.

00:20:37.000 I always tell people to look at their brain like a punch ticket.

00:20:39.000 Let's say you have 100 spots on that punch ticket.

00:20:42.000 Don't use them up sparring with some guy where you just decide to bite down your mouthpiece and go to war with this guy for no reason.

00:20:50.000 If you want to be a professional fighter, you have to act like a professional.

00:20:55.000 You have to treat your profession with respect and think that you only have a certain amount of time in the game.

00:21:03.000 This thing that you teach and this thing that I love, this mixed martial arts, it must be treated with respect.

00:21:11.000 Because when done perfectly and when someone wins a title and someone has an amazing run like George did when he was the welterweight champion, it's a truly spectacular thing.

00:21:20.000 But it can also go terribly wrong.

00:21:24.000 It's one of the reasons why I asked you, is Rory want to fight?

00:21:27.000 You said yes, he wants to fight, nothing can stop him.

00:21:29.000 That's beautiful, I want to hear that.

00:21:31.000 The worst thing you could see is someone who maybe doesn't really want to fight anymore, and they keep fighting, and they keep getting knocked out, and no one tells them, hey, you gotta stop.

00:21:42.000 I was talking to Freddie once upon a time, Freddie Roach, and he was telling me about different guys, how they train.

00:21:49.000 And one boxer, I don't want to say his name, but he was telling me that guy's routine was 12 rounds of sparring every day.

00:21:55.000 Is it James Toney?

00:21:57.000 I knew it!

00:21:59.000 You know, it's got to be him.

00:22:02.000 He's one of the greatest counterpunchers of all time.

00:22:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:06.000 But when he was fighting in the UFC, Well...

00:22:10.000 I know what you mean, but they had to put subtitles.

00:22:14.000 He's speaking English.

00:22:15.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:22:16.000 They had to put subtitles.

00:22:17.000 Yeah.

00:22:18.000 You know, at what price?

00:22:20.000 Yes.

00:22:20.000 At what price you can do 12 rounds a day?

00:22:22.000 So there has to be like...

00:22:23.000 Look at the Cuban boxers.

00:22:25.000 They're not rough in practice.

00:22:26.000 Look at the ties.

00:22:26.000 They're not rough.

00:22:27.000 They're technical.

00:22:28.000 The ties especially.

00:22:29.000 Ties especially.

00:22:30.000 I love Senchai.

00:22:32.000 Senchai is one of the greatest Instagram pages too.

00:22:34.000 Because you see all his training.

00:22:36.000 And he's sparring with no gloves on, no shin pads.

00:22:39.000 And they just...

00:22:40.000 They're just tapping each other and slapping each other.

00:22:43.000 And when he's not doing that, he's hitting pads.

00:22:45.000 And then he fights.

00:22:46.000 And he'll fight bare knuckle.

00:22:48.000 Smiling ear to ear.

00:22:49.000 He's going to a bare knuckle fight.

00:22:50.000 They brought him a foreigner he's never seen before.

00:22:52.000 The foreigner's 20 pounds heavier.

00:22:53.000 He's got 85s.

00:22:54.000 He doesn't care.

00:22:55.000 He doesn't even care.

00:22:57.000 And it's bare knuckle, and he's there walking.

00:23:00.000 I'll be petrified.

00:23:01.000 Listen, I'll be like, okay, this is it.

00:23:03.000 I gotta kill her.

00:23:04.000 The guy's so relaxed.

00:23:05.000 He has a beautiful style, too.

00:23:07.000 Incredible.

00:23:07.000 I love how light he is on his feet.

00:23:09.000 It's a perfect example of what you were saying.

00:23:11.000 Even though he's fighting in this discipline, Muay Thai, he fights his own way.

00:23:16.000 I mean, if you saw a silhouette of Sanchai fighting, you'd say, well, that's Sanchai.

00:23:20.000 He's got his way.

00:23:21.000 Light on the feet, switching stances all the time, like really interesting style that he developed this.

00:23:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:30.000 There's so many ways to do it and you don't know which one is right until you try it on.

00:23:34.000 That's how I always tell guys.

00:23:34.000 When I show them a new technique, I say, do it for two weeks.

00:23:37.000 If you don't like it after two weeks, I don't want to ask you to do it again.

00:23:40.000 But you got to have that grace period because sometimes you teach something to somebody.

00:23:43.000 And I've done this too where I learn to move and I'm like, no, I don't do guillotine like that.

00:23:47.000 And then a year later, I'm like, that's my favorite way to do guillotine.

00:23:49.000 I changed my mind about it.

00:23:50.000 Why?

00:23:51.000 Because I tried it out.

00:23:52.000 I actually figured out the nuances after exploring it a little bit more.

00:23:56.000 And all of a sudden, I like this guillotine above this one.

00:23:58.000 Do you ever fuck with this pretzel grip?

00:24:01.000 Sometimes.

00:24:01.000 That feels so weird when you do it in the air.

00:24:04.000 But goddamn, when you do it on a person, it feels amazing.

00:24:06.000 It feels like one of the best grips.

00:24:08.000 When I do this, I'm trying to sweep.

00:24:10.000 If I'm like this, I'm going to sweep you.

00:24:12.000 Oh, because you have more leverage on the forearms?

00:24:14.000 My forearm's inclined.

00:24:16.000 So if I'm like this, my elbow's down.

00:24:18.000 If I'm like this, my elbow's up.

00:24:19.000 So now it's easier for me to tilt you.

00:24:21.000 And then you got like Marcelo, who grabs the hand on the outside.

00:24:24.000 He grabs like the blade of the hand, and that's his grip.

00:24:27.000 And his thought is that he's sliding this in better, and also for the rear naked.

00:24:32.000 Which is his specialty.

00:24:33.000 So if you're rolling, if he goes through that and he's rolling and he gets your back again, he's always sliding under the chin.

00:24:39.000 He's got a vicious guillotine.

00:24:40.000 Oh, he's got a vicious everything!

00:24:41.000 I felt it.

00:24:43.000 You're tapping right away.

00:24:44.000 There's no compromise.

00:24:47.000 Yeah, it's a blade of the bone against the esophagus, too.

00:24:52.000 His style is so unique, too, because everything was based on no big man moves.

00:24:59.000 He didn't believe in Kimuras.

00:25:00.000 He doesn't do Kimuras.

00:25:02.000 No Kimura.

00:25:02.000 Because if you're doing a Kimura against a big giant guy, you're not going to be able to get it, because he's going to wrestle out of it.

00:25:09.000 So everything he did was all neck-based.

00:25:12.000 Do you ever see a smaller guy, a Kimura, a bigger guy?

00:25:15.000 Very, very, very, very rarely.

00:25:17.000 So rare.

00:25:17.000 Yeah, the guy has to be exhausted.

00:25:18.000 Right.

00:25:19.000 So he uses it as a grip.

00:25:20.000 Yes.

00:25:21.000 But not as a finish.

00:25:22.000 Right.

00:25:23.000 Because this philosophy is if the finish doesn't finish everybody, it's not good enough.

00:25:27.000 Well, there's a lot of guys who teach a system based on Kimura traps, like using the Kimura to get to the back, using the Kimura to set up an armbar.

00:25:34.000 And I think that's a...

00:25:35.000 I mean, look, I'm a fan of a Kimura, and Jocko, who just left, he'll rip your fucking shoulders off.

00:25:40.000 He's a Kimura master, but he's also a gorilla.

00:25:43.000 You know, I mean, Jocko's 5'11", 240, and he's fucking...

00:25:48.000 He's a tank.

00:25:49.000 He's all about ripping shoulders apart and neck cranks.

00:25:53.000 If he grabbed the Kimura on me, I'd be freaking out.

00:25:56.000 I know that's really bad.

00:25:58.000 When I'm rolling with a bigger guy, I know that I have to do everything not to give them that grip.

00:26:04.000 You have to know the pros and cons of every hold.

00:26:07.000 I believe in Kimura.

00:26:08.000 I train my students in Kimura.

00:26:09.000 Because if you don't do Kimura, you're going to get caught in Kimura.

00:26:13.000 Right.

00:26:13.000 And it's also an effective way to get out of certain situations.

00:26:15.000 Sure, sure.

00:26:16.000 Yeah.

00:26:17.000 If you don't know Kimura, it's like if you don't know Darce, like when Darce came on the scene, everybody was getting Darced by the guys who knew Darce.

00:26:24.000 Right.

00:26:25.000 When Anaconda came out on the scene, everybody was getting caught in Anaconda.

00:26:29.000 Leglocks came out on the scene, it was a leglock fire.

00:26:31.000 If you don't know the leglock game, you don't know the new leglock game, you're done.

00:26:35.000 So, every time there's something new, I like to learn it.

00:26:38.000 Whether I like it or not, long term, I still know it.

00:26:40.000 So, if you try it, I know what you're up to.

00:26:42.000 It's kind of like a magic trick.

00:26:43.000 If you show it to me again, I'm not so surprised.

00:26:45.000 Right, right.

00:26:46.000 What are your feelings on guys like Gary Tonin, who's doing fantastic now in MMA, but he hasn't really faced the upper level of competition?

00:26:55.000 We're not seeing anybody with that style winning.

00:26:58.000 I mean, since Paul Harris, who has a similar, sort of modified, but similar leg lock attack...

00:27:05.000 Look, I think ultimately, the most important martial art is Jiu Jitsu.

00:27:09.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:27:10.000 Because to beat Jiu Jitsu, you need Jiu Jitsu mixed with something else.

00:27:14.000 Boxing, wrestling, taekwondo, whatever.

00:27:17.000 But you gotta have some Jiu Jitsu.

00:27:18.000 Because if you have zero Jiu Jitsu and you're going into a fight, you're gonna get beat.

00:27:24.000 Styles like jiu-jitsu need a lot of time.

00:27:27.000 So if your foundation is jiu-jitsu, because how is jiu-jitsu developed?

00:27:30.000 In Vale Tudo.

00:27:31.000 The Brazilians had no time limit.

00:27:33.000 When they were fighting in Brazil, it was a two-hour fight, a three-hour fight.

00:27:37.000 So what?

00:27:37.000 You took me down, you held me down for three minutes.

00:27:39.000 Nobody cares in Brazil.

00:27:40.000 In Vale Tudo, nobody cares.

00:27:41.000 The fight will go on until somebody taps.

00:27:44.000 So takedowns were not as important.

00:27:46.000 The fight's going to last three, four hours if it has to.

00:27:49.000 Whatever it is.

00:27:51.000 Why wrestling is being so successful in MMA? One, it's a great sport, for sure.

00:27:56.000 But it's time sensitive.

00:27:59.000 If I take you down in the middle of the round, you got two and a half minutes to sub me or get back up to your feet.

00:28:03.000 All I gotta do is hold you down.

00:28:05.000 And I won the round.

00:28:06.000 I have to do minimal work.

00:28:08.000 Now I'm up a round.

00:28:10.000 You're down a round.

00:28:10.000 You got to come after me now.

00:28:12.000 So there's a time-sensitive issue.

00:28:14.000 However, if I take you down and there's no time limit, I'm going to behave very differently than if I know I can bank in this round.

00:28:20.000 If there's just two minutes left, I'm going to spend that energy to hold you down.

00:28:22.000 I'm going to spend that energy to kind of like shut you down and kind of like give you little punches.

00:28:26.000 They're not fight-enders, but they're round-winning.

00:28:29.000 So because we have these rules, that's why I love pride.

00:28:32.000 It was a 10-minute round.

00:28:34.000 Grappling needs more breathing room.

00:28:35.000 It needs more time for it to work.

00:28:37.000 Yes, yes.

00:28:38.000 Look at Ousmane vs.

00:28:40.000 Damien Maia.

00:28:40.000 In round one, Damien Maia had a partial back take against the fence.

00:28:43.000 And Ousmane was almost giving his back.

00:28:45.000 He got fucked by the referee.

00:28:47.000 The referee?

00:28:47.000 The state should never interfere.

00:28:51.000 It's not a real fight.

00:28:52.000 You got out of my controls because of the state, because of the referee, because of the whistle, because of the bell, whatever it is.

00:28:58.000 We have to start in this position again.

00:29:00.000 If I take you down on the ground and the bell rings, I should start again on the ground.

00:29:05.000 There should be some basic positions that the referee is going to choose.

00:29:08.000 We're starting in this position because that was the closest to what you guys had when we ended the fight.

00:29:13.000 I like that.

00:29:14.000 I like that.

00:29:15.000 How many fights would change?

00:29:15.000 How much behavior would change?

00:29:17.000 Fighters would train differently, fight differently, or make it one 15-minute round.

00:29:22.000 I like that too.

00:29:24.000 Now you're going to see Jiu Jitsu win.

00:29:25.000 You know what else I like?

00:29:26.000 No cage.

00:29:27.000 No cage?

00:29:28.000 No cage.

00:29:29.000 What's it going to be?

00:29:29.000 How come they can play basketball on a giant court?

00:29:33.000 How about?

00:29:34.000 It's a big place to play basketball.

00:29:36.000 It is.

00:29:37.000 Okay, because you think there should be no interference with the fans.

00:29:40.000 How about a football field?

00:29:41.000 Put them in the middle.

00:29:42.000 What are the odds they're ever going to get to the edges?

00:29:45.000 Okay, let's say we're to get into a fight right here.

00:29:49.000 Well, there's a lot of shit in here.

00:29:50.000 Exactly.

00:29:51.000 But this is an unnatural environment.

00:29:53.000 What if we get in a fight in an elevator?

00:29:54.000 Should every fight take place in an elevator?

00:29:56.000 Why can't you protect yourself?

00:29:57.000 One boy would never be able to use his moves.

00:29:59.000 You should be able to protect yourself in any environment.

00:30:01.000 You can't throw a wheel kick in an elevator.

00:30:02.000 No, we can't.

00:30:03.000 But a wheel kick's a valid move.

00:30:05.000 Absolutely.

00:30:05.000 But how about this?

00:30:06.000 We don't know if it's going to be a cage, an office, a podcast, an elevator.

00:30:11.000 That would be crazy.

00:30:11.000 You find that on Fight Night.

00:30:13.000 That would be crazy.

00:30:14.000 That would be crazy.

00:30:16.000 It's just they roll the dice before the show.

00:30:18.000 A giant wheel, maybe.

00:30:19.000 Yeah, like a wheel.

00:30:21.000 It's like five or six different things with a wheel.

00:30:23.000 Exactly.

00:30:24.000 It could be anything.

00:30:24.000 Football field, basketball court, cage ring.

00:30:27.000 You don't know.

00:30:28.000 Yeah.

00:30:28.000 Do you remember...

00:30:30.000 They did, I think, well, World Combat Club or World Combat League where Wonder Boy came up.

00:30:37.000 Chuck Norris.

00:30:37.000 They had like a ramp.

00:30:39.000 Bowl.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, like a bowl.

00:30:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:41.000 And you would fight on that.

00:30:42.000 So they knew when they got to the elevated edges.

00:30:45.000 But at least you could move.

00:30:46.000 You're not restricted.

00:30:47.000 But of course, there was no grappling in that.

00:30:49.000 It was just straight kick.

00:30:50.000 That was kickboxing PKA style, right?

00:30:52.000 Like above the waist, wasn't it?

00:30:54.000 And the relay kicks.

00:30:55.000 They wore the relay kicks.

00:30:55.000 And knee.

00:30:56.000 But they wore pants, right?

00:30:57.000 Pants?

00:30:58.000 Yeah.

00:30:58.000 And you're allowed to knee, but not allowed to clinch.

00:31:00.000 Oh, that's right.

00:31:00.000 Yeah, this is beautiful.

00:31:01.000 Wonderboy was a master at this too.

00:31:03.000 It's so interesting seeing it in that bowl.

00:31:05.000 But look, when you see it like that, there's no restriction as far as there's no boundary to push up against.

00:31:13.000 This is Wonderboy in his actual kickboxing style.

00:31:17.000 He was so good at leaning away and then firing back.

00:31:21.000 And then also that right high kick that he would throw over the shoulder where you didn't see it coming until it was too late.

00:31:27.000 Moneymaker.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 Boy, that's a slippery-ass floor they're fighting on.

00:31:31.000 Without the cage, we won't have cage techniques anymore.

00:31:34.000 That's true.

00:31:35.000 That's true, but I feel like there's a lot of wrestling that gets done against the cage that's sort of assisted.

00:31:41.000 It's assisted wrestling, assisted takedowns, and even takedown defense, right?

00:31:45.000 If you're in the middle of the cage and you get up, you earn that.

00:31:49.000 That's legit.

00:31:50.000 But if you're up against the cage, you can kind of press your back up against the cage.

00:31:54.000 You can wall walk.

00:31:55.000 You can get back to your feet.

00:31:57.000 It's an added element.

00:31:58.000 There's that sneaky right high kick, man.

00:32:01.000 But this, you know, I don't know if this would work with takedowns, because of course someone would fire up and keep driving over the top.

00:32:10.000 The takedowns change everything.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, they do.

00:32:13.000 The takedowns change everything.

00:32:16.000 So do elbows and the clinch.

00:32:18.000 So do headbutts.

00:32:19.000 Headbutts change everything, too.

00:32:20.000 I had David LaDuke in here from Letway.

00:32:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:24.000 You watch his fights, you watch some of those Letway fights, you realize, like, that's legit, man.

00:32:30.000 Rory once, he was like, he was between contracts and he's like, book me a fight at Letway.

00:32:36.000 I'm like, why do you want to fight Letway?

00:32:38.000 He's like, because now's the time or else I'll never get to fight with headbutts before I re-sign.

00:32:43.000 He wanted me to take him down to the jungles of Letway and book him a fight for $10.

00:32:49.000 Against some guy we don't know.

00:32:50.000 No medical test.

00:32:51.000 You're the foreigner.

00:32:54.000 He's nuts.

00:32:55.000 I was like, no, that's a really bad idea.

00:32:56.000 He's like, come on.

00:32:57.000 I'll never get to fight with headbutts or else.

00:32:59.000 I'm like, okay, I hope you never fight with headbutts.

00:33:01.000 I hope the day never comes.

00:33:03.000 Well, I mean, you remember the old days?

00:33:06.000 Mark Coleman used to take guys down and smash their face with his head.

00:33:11.000 He would hold onto their biceps and BOOM! Headbutt you and punch you in the face.

00:33:15.000 A very dangerous attack.

00:33:17.000 Especially from a giant dude like that.

00:33:20.000 Very dangerous.

00:33:22.000 It's also effective.

00:33:24.000 The argument is, look, if you can punch me in the head, why can't I use my head to hit you?

00:33:29.000 If you can kick me in the head, what is so much more dangerous about me using my forehead to hit you with?

00:33:37.000 Long-term repercussion, don't you think?

00:33:41.000 I don't know.

00:33:42.000 Would it increase the level of concussions or decrease the level of concussion?

00:33:46.000 That's a good question.

00:33:47.000 Because for me, that's the major sin of our sport.

00:33:49.000 The concussions.

00:33:50.000 The concussion.

00:33:50.000 I wish we could take that away.

00:33:51.000 If we could take that away, I think it would be better because these fighters would be healthier long-term.

00:33:57.000 I'm hoping that medical science somehow steps in and comes up with a solution that's legitimate, similar to a solution for repairing ligaments.

00:34:07.000 We're not going to outlaw heel hooks.

00:34:09.000 They're a real legitimate part of the game, but if you get someone in an inverted heel hook and you crank on that fucker, you might rip that guy's knee apart.

00:34:17.000 So that guy might have to go and get everything replaced and get cadaver ligaments and a fake ACL and all that jazz.

00:34:25.000 We're not going to stop that, though.

00:34:26.000 It's a legitimate technique.

00:34:27.000 The sidekick to the knee that we see a lot of guys use on the upper thigh where it hyperextends the knee.

00:34:33.000 There's going to be someone who gets their knee blown out.

00:34:35.000 I'm sure it's happened in other organizations.

00:34:36.000 I don't think we've had it in the UFC. If they have, I haven't heard about it.

00:34:40.000 Whitaker, no?

00:34:41.000 He hurt his knee?

00:34:42.000 He definitely hurt it, but I don't know if it blew out.

00:34:47.000 And then he went and did it in the rematch with Yoel right away.

00:34:50.000 And also, Jorge Masvidal did that to Wonderboy.

00:34:54.000 Oh no, Darren Till did it to Wonderboy.

00:34:56.000 Oh yes, yes, that's true.

00:34:57.000 Same thing, that sidekick to the thigh.

00:35:00.000 So, if there was a way that they could repair brain damage, the same way they could repair ligament damage, I'd be so happy.

00:35:08.000 Definitely.

00:35:09.000 Some IV, stem cell, some way.

00:35:13.000 I mean, they're experimenting with things, and I know they're having some positive effects.

00:35:18.000 But, you know, nothing is like, hey, you tore this, go to the doctor, he'll fix that.

00:35:24.000 You know, we're not there yet.

00:35:26.000 Because the thing is, like, with the headbutts, the fighters are going to go and train headbutts after.

00:35:31.000 Right.

00:35:32.000 They're going to be hitting the bag, they're going to be doing all this thing.

00:35:34.000 And what is the training going to do to their head?

00:35:36.000 Well, have you seen what Laduka does?

00:35:39.000 No.

00:35:39.000 He does headbutts on the pads.

00:35:41.000 So he'll do like an accommodation on the pad and then a headbutt.

00:35:45.000 Seems okay.

00:35:46.000 Yeah, but let's see when he's 50. He's only like 28. Yeah, exactly.

00:35:50.000 Give him a call when he's 50. Let's see.

00:35:52.000 He won't even know what a phone is.

00:35:54.000 What's that noise?

00:35:56.000 I think health first.

00:35:57.000 Health first.

00:35:58.000 For sure, we're not living in a bubble.

00:35:59.000 People always tell me, like some guy wrote me an email recently.

00:36:02.000 Tell me he was in tears.

00:36:03.000 He's trying to stop his kids from doing MMA. And to give him something to convince them not to do MMA because the boxer had died.

00:36:13.000 And you know what?

00:36:14.000 The thing is, we don't want to live in a bubble.

00:36:17.000 I don't want to live in a bubble.

00:36:18.000 Everything I do, I take a risk in life.

00:36:20.000 I calculate, look, I'm petrified of airplanes.

00:36:23.000 I'm petrified.

00:36:25.000 But when I take a flight, I'm like, is this an acceptable risk in my life?

00:36:27.000 Yeah, it's safe.

00:36:28.000 It's just psychological.

00:36:29.000 I'm being irrational here.

00:36:31.000 And I get on that flight.

00:36:33.000 Statistically, is MMA safe?

00:36:34.000 It is.

00:36:36.000 People don't die in MMA. In any sport, people will die.

00:36:39.000 If you look at football, there's going to be deaths.

00:36:41.000 If you look at running, there's going to be deaths.

00:36:42.000 There's death everywhere.

00:36:44.000 However, statistically, it's safe.

00:36:46.000 They take every measure, and the referee is there.

00:36:49.000 They do the medical test before and after.

00:36:51.000 I mean, it's as safe as it can be.

00:36:53.000 And look what it gives us.

00:36:54.000 It gives us proof of what real martial arts is.

00:36:57.000 Because before MMA, we didn't know what fighting was.

00:37:00.000 We had many theories, but it's not what we have today.

00:37:03.000 And if you look at what we were doing before UFC, It's totally different.

00:37:08.000 Yeah, it's crazy what happened in 26 years.

00:37:10.000 Yeah.

00:37:11.000 26 years the world has just been flipped on its head.

00:37:13.000 I've said many times that we have had more advancement in innovation and more growth in martial arts over the last 26 years than we have over the last 2,000 years.

00:37:23.000 And that's a fact.

00:37:24.000 There's no getting around that.

00:37:25.000 It's just an instantaneous burst of knowledge and understanding of what works and what doesn't work.

00:37:30.000 And the Gracie family is a huge part of that.

00:37:32.000 Sure.

00:37:34.000 Gigantic.

00:37:35.000 Huge.

00:37:35.000 Probably, no, not probably, the most important family in the history of martial arts.

00:37:40.000 I agree.

00:37:40.000 Yeah.

00:37:41.000 I don't even think there's a close second.

00:37:42.000 Most influential.

00:37:43.000 Yes.

00:37:43.000 Maybe most influential.

00:37:45.000 Yes.

00:37:45.000 Influential.

00:37:46.000 Yes.

00:37:47.000 Definitely.

00:37:48.000 Which reminds me of Krohn-Gracy's fight.

00:37:51.000 What did you think of that against Caps Wants?

00:37:53.000 Um...

00:37:54.000 Well, it's a big jump up.

00:37:56.000 Cub Swanson, massive amount of experience.

00:37:59.000 I mean, against elite, world-class competition.

00:38:03.000 Fought Jose Aldo back in the WEC days.

00:38:06.000 I mean, Cub Swanson is a stud.

00:38:08.000 He's been there, done that.

00:38:09.000 He could be champion.

00:38:10.000 Yes, he could be champion.

00:38:12.000 And he's also a legitimate black belt in jiu-jitsu too, so he's not easy to submit.

00:38:17.000 And for Krohn to go from Alex Caceres right into Cub Swanson, that's a giant leap.

00:38:22.000 And look, Krohn's jiu-jitsu is top of the food chain.

00:38:27.000 I mean, he is an absolute legitimate world champion caliber jiu-jitsu talent from the best DNA the world's ever known, right?

00:38:36.000 He's the fucking son of the king.

00:38:39.000 Can I ask you a very tough question?

00:38:41.000 Please.

00:38:42.000 If there was no time limit, Cub Swanson versus Krohn, who wins?

00:38:47.000 I saw no evidence.

00:38:48.000 I wish we could watch round three.

00:38:50.000 I saw no evidence that Krohn was taking Cub down.

00:38:54.000 No, the takedowns were not going to come just yet.

00:38:56.000 I think it would have taken a while.

00:38:58.000 But do you think Krohn was going to go away?

00:39:00.000 No.

00:39:01.000 He wasn't going away.

00:39:02.000 He's an animal.

00:39:03.000 He's got a heart of a lion.

00:39:04.000 He's got a heart of a lion.

00:39:05.000 Takes a tremendous shot, both to the face and to the body.

00:39:08.000 No fear.

00:39:10.000 No fear.

00:39:11.000 Real warrior.

00:39:12.000 If there was no time limit, I'm telling you, I don't know who wins that fight.

00:39:16.000 Yeah, I mean, he won a decision, right?

00:39:18.000 You could always use that argument if someone wins a decision.

00:39:20.000 And Krohn never stopped coming, right?

00:39:21.000 No, he didn't even look like he was remotely going to start thinking of slowing down.

00:39:25.000 But I mean, there's the other question is, how much does he endure if that fight goes 30 rounds?

00:39:31.000 I mean, how many more shots to the head does he take and does eventually his brain give up?

00:39:36.000 I don't know.

00:39:37.000 That's the question.

00:39:37.000 I mean, maybe he catches Cub.

00:39:39.000 I mean, he can punch.

00:39:41.000 I mean, that was one of the reasons why it was so competitive and interesting.

00:39:44.000 Basically, it was a kickboxing fight, right?

00:39:47.000 And in that kickboxing fight, the jiu-jitsu master landed good shots.

00:39:51.000 I mean, Cub's face was cut up at the end of the fight.

00:39:54.000 It's not like he was untouched.

00:39:56.000 So, I think, I mean, I think what a guy like Krohn needs is a guy like you.

00:40:02.000 I mean, that's what he needs.

00:40:03.000 I would love to work with Krohn.

00:40:05.000 I mean, that's what he needs.

00:40:06.000 I don't know who, I know he does a lot of work with the Diaz brothers.

00:40:09.000 I know he does a lot.

00:40:10.000 He has his own gym.

00:40:11.000 He has a very successful jiu-jitsu school of his own.

00:40:14.000 But I think a guy like that needs to just put together the overall game so that you could see the best expression of his jiu-jitsu, which is ultimately going to be his strength.

00:40:23.000 But I think that has to be expressed in a more confusing and harder-to-solve puzzle.

00:40:33.000 And so right now, here's the puzzle.

00:40:35.000 Walk towards you, throw punches.

00:40:37.000 Once I get you, I'm going to strangle you.

00:40:39.000 But if I don't get you, maybe I don't strangle you.

00:40:42.000 And a guy like Cub knows he's coming.

00:40:44.000 The thing about a guy who comes forward all the time is it's so much easier to counter than it is to attack.

00:40:51.000 It is.

00:40:51.000 It's ways.

00:40:52.000 That's Anderson Silva's whole game.

00:40:53.000 You remember the fights where Anderson Silva had boring fights?

00:40:56.000 Like Talos Leitez.

00:40:57.000 The guy's not coming forward.

00:40:58.000 Yeah, hung back.

00:40:59.000 Yeah, the guys who just hang back.

00:41:01.000 You know, Patrick Cote, same thing.

00:41:05.000 Just hung back.

00:41:06.000 When you're fighting a counterpuncher, don't give him anything to counter.

00:41:09.000 Just hang back.

00:41:10.000 Yeah.

00:41:10.000 Yeah, make him attack.

00:41:11.000 I remember when you had Hickson on your podcast and you had asked him like, what do you do if you can't take a guy down?

00:41:17.000 And he was telling you, I pull guard.

00:41:18.000 Yes.

00:41:19.000 But then he was telling you also, when I pull guard, I have to open the guard.

00:41:22.000 And it was like, well, the guy will just back out of your guard.

00:41:24.000 Yes.

00:41:25.000 If you pull guard on me and you keep your guard closed, well, okay, we're on the ground.

00:41:29.000 If you open your guard, I can just get up.

00:41:32.000 Yeah.

00:41:32.000 And it seemed like, then you were like, okay, if he gets up, well, I got to pull guard again.

00:41:36.000 But it was like a circular type of strategy.

00:41:37.000 Yeah.

00:41:38.000 We don't know with Hickson, right?

00:41:41.000 Because we never did see him against the cream of the crop.

00:41:46.000 You know, Funaki was the best fighter he fought.

00:41:48.000 And Funaki was arguably towards the end of his career when he fought Hickson.

00:41:54.000 And, you know, he did some damage, broke Hickson's orbital.

00:41:56.000 Remember, he had the really fucked up swelling.

00:41:58.000 Did he hurt Hickson?

00:41:59.000 Yeah, his eye was all fucked up and swollen after that fight.

00:42:01.000 I have to go re-watch it.

00:42:02.000 And he also fucked Hickson's knee up.

00:42:05.000 Or did Hickson fuck his knee up?

00:42:07.000 No, no, no.

00:42:07.000 Hickson fucked his knee up.

00:42:08.000 I'm sorry.

00:42:09.000 He was standing up over Hickson and Hickson kicked his knee.

00:42:12.000 Like he extended his knee when Hickson was on his back.

00:42:15.000 But no, at the end of the fight, Hickson's...

00:42:17.000 Go to Coliseum 2000 Hickson Gracie.

00:42:20.000 2000?

00:42:21.000 I had the honor of going to Hickson's house one night.

00:42:25.000 Really?

00:42:26.000 I had dinner with him.

00:42:27.000 And Krohn.

00:42:28.000 Krohn was a young kid, man.

00:42:29.000 He was like 15, 16 years old.

00:42:31.000 And then we went to Hickson's house, and then we watched fights.

00:42:34.000 And Hickson was breaking down fights.

00:42:36.000 Breaking down what other guys were doing wrong.

00:42:38.000 Breaking down space.

00:42:40.000 Like, you hated space.

00:42:41.000 Like, when Jiu-Jitsu guys got people on the ground.

00:42:43.000 And, you know, he was just talking about various positions and different things that were happening in the fights.

00:42:48.000 And then we watched that fight.

00:42:49.000 We watched a Funaki fight.

00:42:51.000 Which was...

00:42:52.000 That was his final fight.

00:42:53.000 So...

00:42:55.000 This was Hickson basically in his prime.

00:42:59.000 I mean, he was muscular too, man.

00:43:01.000 Hickson was a big guy back then.

00:43:03.000 Well over 200 pounds.

00:43:05.000 Was he 200 pounds?

00:43:06.000 Yeah, he was about 200 pounds.

00:43:07.000 But solid as a rock, man.

00:43:09.000 His physique's incredible.

00:43:11.000 Yeah.

00:43:11.000 And he fought...

00:43:13.000 I mean, Funaki was a real world-class fighter.

00:43:17.000 This was probably the guy who was the most dangerous guy that he fought.

00:43:21.000 I mean, when he fought in Japan, Valley Tudo, those guys just really had nothing for him.

00:43:25.000 That one guy got him in a guillotine, remember, and held on to him for a long time, but he eventually got out of it and submitted him.

00:43:30.000 That guy was a Japanese pro wrestler, right?

00:43:32.000 But that's what they had also at the time.

00:43:36.000 Well, Takada.

00:43:38.000 Takata, yeah.

00:43:38.000 Yeah, remember?

00:43:39.000 The first pride, people forget, was Hicks and Gracie.

00:43:43.000 Hicks and Gracie fought Takata in the first pride.

00:43:46.000 So eventually this fight goes to the ground.

00:43:48.000 Scoot ahead real quick.

00:43:49.000 Eventually this fight goes to the ground and Funaki landed a big shot.

00:43:54.000 See, Hickson's eye was all fucked up.

00:43:56.000 You could see it.

00:43:57.000 Well, I don't know if you could see it there.

00:44:00.000 No, you've got to see it after the fight.

00:44:02.000 After the fight, he gets him on the ground and he reverses position.

00:44:06.000 And then he eventually chokes him completely to sleep.

00:44:09.000 Back up a little bit.

00:44:10.000 Yeah, with his eyes open.

00:44:10.000 It was pretty radical.

00:44:12.000 So here he is.

00:44:13.000 He gets...

00:44:15.000 Let's see if we can see right before this.

00:44:17.000 Go right before this, Jamie.

00:44:18.000 Right before this, so you can see the setup.

00:44:20.000 See, he's punching him.

00:44:21.000 He's gift-wrapped in him.

00:44:22.000 He's got his hand wrapped across his neck, punching him in the face.

00:44:25.000 So he's got Funaki's hand across his own face, and he's punching him in the face.

00:44:31.000 And then Funaki's forced to try to move to better his position.

00:44:36.000 And Hickson eventually sneaks his body behind him.

00:44:38.000 You see, he's using his left knee.

00:44:40.000 And now he turns him, and he gets his back.

00:44:43.000 Shitty camera work there.

00:44:44.000 They should have showed that transition.

00:44:45.000 But he got his back and then when he chokes him out, Funaki's eyes are wide open and he's completely asleep.

00:44:50.000 And Hickson gets off of him and kicks him aside.

00:44:54.000 It's so nasty.

00:44:55.000 Look, he gets him and Funaki kind of knew he was getting put to sleep too.

00:45:00.000 So he's out cold and Hickson just climbs off and kicks him off.

00:45:03.000 Get off me.

00:45:05.000 Get off me, bitch.

00:45:05.000 But you see his eye.

00:45:08.000 If you see if there's a close-up on him, Hickson's eye after the fight...

00:45:14.000 Yeah, Hickson, not Fanaki.

00:45:16.000 After the fight, his eye was pretty fucked up.

00:45:18.000 Right there, right there.

00:45:19.000 There you see it.

00:45:19.000 I don't remember that.

00:45:20.000 Yeah, his left eye was completely swollen.

00:45:22.000 What did he get hit with?

00:45:23.000 I don't remember him getting hit.

00:45:24.000 Punch.

00:45:25.000 It was a punch?

00:45:25.000 I believe so.

00:45:26.000 Yeah, I believe he got hit with a big punch from Fanaki.

00:45:29.000 You know, Hickson was never a guy who was trying to kickbox you.

00:45:33.000 No.

00:45:33.000 He wasn't trying to do what his son did at all.

00:45:35.000 Hickson was always just trying to figure out a way to be defensive, just enough to impose his game and get you on the ground.

00:45:41.000 All the black belts that ever work with Hickson, they always say the same thing.

00:45:45.000 We got killed.

00:45:46.000 Like world champion black belts.

00:45:47.000 They go train with him, they go roll with him, like, oh, he killed us all.

00:45:50.000 He killed us all.

00:45:51.000 There was, you know, like 20 years ago, the Gracies used to get together like once every year, every two years to train.

00:45:58.000 And Eric Paulson was invited and he said in an article, I remember reading this article when I was really young, he was saying that, look, we don't say what happens in that practice.

00:46:06.000 Obviously, it's a family thing, so I was, I'm not going to be saying what happens, but one thing I can tell you all is Nobody came near Hickson.

00:46:11.000 Nobody could touch Hickson.

00:46:12.000 Hickson was the head and shoulders above everybody.

00:46:15.000 And the reason why they could say that is because everybody admits to it and it's like an open secret.

00:46:19.000 Everybody knows Hickson's way better than everybody else.

00:46:22.000 And just hearing those stories growing up and you're like, man, how good is he?

00:46:26.000 Can we see him actually fight?

00:46:27.000 And then you have these clips where, look, it's one-sided, but that was a different time and place.

00:46:31.000 But then again, if he was training today, he would probably be kickboxing too.

00:46:36.000 Yes, I'm sure.

00:46:37.000 I think he'd be crazy not to.

00:46:38.000 I'm sure.

00:46:39.000 But then also, he hadn't had any fights in a cage.

00:46:43.000 No.

00:46:44.000 All of his fights were in the ring.

00:46:45.000 In the ring, there's a lot more you can do in terms of movement.

00:46:49.000 You can slide through the ropes a little to avoid things.

00:46:52.000 It's also harder to take someone down.

00:46:54.000 There's a lot of weird things that happen inside of a ring.

00:46:57.000 You could argue that a ring is better for the view, because you could see straight through to the fighters, but...

00:47:03.000 It's also more dangerous because you can fall through the ring.

00:47:06.000 You know, the ropes, you know, I mean, even in boxing, you occasionally see that.

00:47:10.000 Bernard Hopkins' last fight, when he fought Joe Smith, he got KO'd by going through the rope and he fell and hit his head.

00:47:17.000 He fell, like, right on his fucking head on the concrete floor.

00:47:21.000 At like 50 years old.

00:47:22.000 Oh my god.

00:47:23.000 Yeah.

00:47:24.000 Ropes are weird.

00:47:25.000 Yes.

00:47:26.000 There's one guy who died in Thailand many years ago.

00:47:28.000 He ran forward charging and he did a kick, went over the guy's head, flew out of the ring, hit the table and died.

00:47:35.000 Oh Jesus Christ.

00:47:36.000 That's why in Thailand now you're not allowed to run anymore.

00:47:38.000 If I catch a kick, I'm allowed one step forward, not three steps charging across the ring like they used to.

00:47:43.000 Before you could run across the ring.

00:47:44.000 So I catch your leg, I go run across the ring.

00:47:47.000 Flying elbow, flying knee, whatever I want.

00:47:49.000 Now it's like you're allowed one or three steps.

00:47:51.000 I can't remember.

00:47:51.000 So it's like traveling, basketball.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, you can't just charge through because the ring can't contain.

00:47:56.000 Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

00:47:58.000 You can fly right through the ropes.

00:47:59.000 I like what Bellator did.

00:48:00.000 What Bellator did for the kickboxing events when they had kickboxing and MMA in the same weekend, they put the kickboxing ring inside that gigantic circular pad.

00:48:10.000 So even if you fell through the ropes, you just landed on the outside pad, which is so much superior.

00:48:15.000 It's so much better.

00:48:16.000 I just, I feel like we haven't really found the perfect fighting surface.

00:48:20.000 No.

00:48:21.000 I like our idea.

00:48:22.000 The podcast, the elevator, the football field.

00:48:25.000 You don't know.

00:48:25.000 You spin a wheel, it might be in a moat.

00:48:27.000 Spin a wheel is a great idea.

00:48:28.000 Now we know if you really can adapt to anything.

00:48:30.000 Yeah, that's a great idea, right?

00:48:31.000 You take a guy who's like a Mighty Mouse guy, who's like a phenomenal mover, and now he's got to fight in an elevator.

00:48:37.000 Exactly.

00:48:37.000 Now it happens.

00:48:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:39.000 Yeah, there's no, I mean, There's no...

00:48:44.000 I don't...

00:48:45.000 I see, like...

00:48:47.000 I see fights that happen overseas with, like, 1FC allows fights in a cage but with soccer kicks.

00:48:56.000 And the argument against that, I think, would be that you can't get your head out of the way.

00:49:01.000 Like, if you're trapped up against the cage, like, at least in Pride or in K1 when they fought in the ring, if you're on the ground, you can move your head through the ropes.

00:49:11.000 You've got a little bit of motion.

00:49:13.000 But if your head is stuck and someone's soccer kicks you or stomps you...

00:49:17.000 It's too dangerous, in my opinion.

00:49:19.000 I think that's one maneuver.

00:49:20.000 And look, we've got to draw a line somewhere.

00:49:22.000 We have to decide.

00:49:23.000 What are we going to do next?

00:49:25.000 Poke each other in the eye?

00:49:26.000 Did you ever see Roger Huerta's KO when he got knocked out in 1FC? It was brutal, man.

00:49:32.000 He fought this really big guy from Brazil.

00:49:35.000 He was fighting at 170. Roger fought at 155. Yeah, yeah.

00:49:38.000 I trained Roger for a little bit.

00:49:39.000 Yeah.

00:49:39.000 Not the biggest guy in the world.

00:49:41.000 And he fought this guy who was much, much bigger than him.

00:49:43.000 And he got caught.

00:49:44.000 He got hurt.

00:49:45.000 And then when he went down, the guy soccer kicked him.

00:49:47.000 And not just a soccer kick.

00:49:48.000 A soccer kick where he hits him.

00:49:50.000 He's already hurt.

00:49:51.000 He hits him in the neck.

00:49:53.000 And his head, his whole body moves from the kick.

00:49:56.000 Where it's just like full power to the head, on the ground.

00:50:01.000 And there's something about soccer kicks.

00:50:03.000 It's just...

00:50:04.000 There's too much leverage there.

00:50:06.000 Like if I ask you to break a baseball bat, you can do it if I hold it low.

00:50:10.000 If I hold it high, you better be an incredible kicker because you don't have as much leverage now.

00:50:14.000 So if somebody falls down and I kick him in the head as he's down, I could really put him out.

00:50:19.000 I could send him to the morgue even.

00:50:22.000 So I think it's one technique we have to be very careful about.

00:50:25.000 Yeah, because I think a wheel kick has more power, but it's so hard to land.

00:50:29.000 Exactly.

00:50:29.000 Whereas a soccer kick is going to happen often.

00:50:31.000 Yes.

00:50:32.000 I remember watching Vanderlei, his first fight with Benson Henderson.

00:50:36.000 Not Benson, Dan Henderson.

00:50:37.000 Excuse me.

00:50:38.000 I thought that was almost a murder.

00:50:41.000 You see that fight?

00:50:42.000 Stomping on him.

00:50:43.000 I was like, my goodness, what are they going to do to stop this fight?

00:50:47.000 Well, that was the old days, man.

00:50:49.000 The old days of pride.

00:50:51.000 And that was Vanderlei with like one eye completely swollen shut.

00:50:54.000 Remember that?

00:50:55.000 I mean, any reasonable organization would have stopped that fight.

00:50:59.000 They would have looked his eye like, you can't see a goddamn thing out of that eye.

00:51:02.000 You're too scared of him to stop the fight.

00:51:03.000 Oh, well, that was Vanderlei when he was Vanderlei, you know?

00:51:08.000 You want to talk about a guy whose face, just from sheer impacts, made a...

00:51:12.000 His face changed.

00:51:14.000 Like, radically.

00:51:15.000 Like, it flattened out.

00:51:17.000 Everything flattened.

00:51:17.000 His nose flattened.

00:51:18.000 Did you pull it up?

00:51:20.000 Did you find the fight?

00:51:21.000 Yeah, here it is.

00:51:22.000 Boom.

00:51:22.000 So that again.

00:51:23.000 Watch this.

00:51:24.000 So he's already hurt.

00:51:25.000 Watch this.

00:51:26.000 Boom.

00:51:28.000 I mean, that is horrific.

00:51:30.000 I didn't see this one.

00:51:31.000 It's horrific, man.

00:51:32.000 And he was hurt before that.

00:51:34.000 He was getting beat up.

00:51:35.000 He was.

00:51:36.000 He was getting beat up and kneed and punched.

00:51:37.000 And look how much bigger that dude is.

00:51:39.000 I mean, he's like really on Queer Street before he even goes to the ground.

00:51:44.000 He gets ragdolled to the ground.

00:51:45.000 And then look at this.

00:51:47.000 Boom!

00:51:48.000 I mean, horrific.

00:51:51.000 Horrific.

00:51:52.000 Yeah, tough.

00:51:53.000 Well, I mean, Brandon Vares won fights like that in one as a heavyweight with soccer kicks too, which is even more scary.

00:52:01.000 He looked at the ref before kicking him.

00:52:02.000 Yeah, because they give you a clear or not clear.

00:52:04.000 Because apparently sometimes you can head kick a guy on the ground, soccer kick him, sometimes you can't.

00:52:09.000 Oh.

00:52:09.000 Yeah.

00:52:10.000 Well, that should have been a no-go.

00:52:12.000 He should have stopped that fight.

00:52:13.000 I mean, it looked like he was just so badly hurt.

00:52:16.000 It's happening so fast.

00:52:17.000 It's so hard to tell, too, because you got guys like Frankie Edgar when he fought Gray Maynard.

00:52:21.000 He looks like he's out on the first round, and then he comes back and wins the fight.

00:52:25.000 Yeah.

00:52:26.000 Yeah, if it's a title fight, I understand they let it go a little further, because that's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

00:52:30.000 Yes.

00:52:31.000 But if there's no title on the line, which I think that fight there wasn't, I would have stopped it after he fell down looking drunk, you know?

00:52:37.000 Yes.

00:52:37.000 Yeah.

00:52:38.000 Well, also, you've got to take into consideration the size difference, the fact that one guy's just pummeling him.

00:52:44.000 And he's almost too tough for his own good.

00:52:46.000 And Roger's not going to quit.

00:52:48.000 He's going to go out in a shield.

00:52:51.000 But yeah, so soccer kicks, that's a tough one, right?

00:52:56.000 What about soccer kicks in a football field?

00:52:58.000 No?

00:52:58.000 Still no?

00:52:58.000 No.

00:53:00.000 We're rolling the wheel.

00:53:01.000 In that situation, if you're rolling the wheel, in that situation, it really doesn't matter if that's a ring or a cage.

00:53:06.000 That's just a soccer kick, and that's a horrific technique.

00:53:09.000 They're all dangerous, yeah.

00:53:10.000 Yeah.

00:53:11.000 That can end your life.

00:53:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:13.000 That's why I would draw the line there.

00:53:15.000 I want us to find a balance of rules that take away concussions as much as possible because some guys are too tough for their own good and then they're going to go out there and practice it.

00:53:24.000 Right.

00:53:25.000 So they're going to be like, oh, we should soccer kick each other in practice.

00:53:28.000 It's not just that fight night.

00:53:29.000 You know, they're going to do it in practice.

00:53:31.000 Right, of course.

00:53:32.000 Yeah, well, wheel kicks.

00:53:33.000 I mean, I remember in Taekwondo training, even guys would try to pull a kick.

00:53:37.000 Mm-hmm.

00:53:37.000 They'd walk into that and you'd accidentally hit him and people would go to sleep.

00:53:41.000 All the time.

00:53:42.000 It's just too much power in the leg.

00:53:44.000 There's too much weight.

00:53:45.000 And the leverage of a...

00:53:47.000 You remember when Edson Barboza fought Terry Edom?

00:53:50.000 Yes.

00:53:50.000 Which was the first ever wheel kick KO. Was it the first one?

00:53:53.000 Yes.

00:53:54.000 First ever KO in Brazil.

00:53:56.000 And he connected with that wheel kick and Terry went stiff like someone just pulled the power cord and just fell back.

00:54:03.000 Yeah.

00:54:04.000 And it was a crazy fight because, like, Terry really didn't have anything for him.

00:54:10.000 And I was just saying that he's going to have to risk getting knocked out in order to do something.

00:54:15.000 He's going to have to...

00:54:16.000 And right when I said risk getting knocked out, whack, he landed that crazy wheel kick.

00:54:21.000 But that's one of those kicks where you go, okay, should I even be legal?

00:54:23.000 Of course I think it should be legal.

00:54:25.000 Yeah, yeah, I think it...

00:54:26.000 You know, it's a...

00:54:28.000 Beautiful technique, but man, that's a horrible thing to get hit with.

00:54:33.000 It's just hard to do.

00:54:34.000 It's probably...

00:54:34.000 I mean, it's among the most powerful kicks in the game.

00:54:38.000 For sure.

00:54:39.000 But it's not easy to execute.

00:54:40.000 That's why most people don't do it.

00:54:41.000 Yeah, there's not a lot of guys that can throw it...

00:54:44.000 With the kind of speed and precision that also have real MMA skills.

00:54:50.000 That's what it is.

00:54:50.000 Exactly.

00:54:51.000 Yeah.

00:54:51.000 I mean, Wonderboy being one of the examples.

00:54:53.000 I mean, remember when he fought Jake Ellenberger and he hit him with a wheel kick?

00:54:56.000 And that was a crazy fight because Ellenberger was talking shit, saying that those things don't work.

00:55:00.000 All that spinning stuff doesn't work.

00:55:02.000 And then, of course, that's what he hit him with.

00:55:03.000 It can work if you know how to stay standing.

00:55:05.000 Let's also say whatever you want.

00:55:08.000 That's Wonderboy.

00:55:10.000 That's not a regular dude you're fighting.

00:55:12.000 You might say spinning shit doesn't work.

00:55:14.000 Well, if it's Mike McFuckstick from Chicago who's never really taken martial arts classes like that and doesn't have a background in karate, but Wonderboy can do some wild shit with his legs.

00:55:27.000 He's not 67-0 in kickboxing for nothing.

00:55:30.000 They didn't give him those 67 wins.

00:55:32.000 They weren't bought.

00:55:33.000 They weren't purchased.

00:55:34.000 You could watch them.

00:55:36.000 You could watch the fights.

00:55:37.000 They're online.

00:55:39.000 I think sometimes guys say things like that just to pump themselves up because they're scared, they're worried.

00:55:44.000 Yeah, of course.

00:55:46.000 It's interesting that we're starting to see the level of female MMA really elevate now.

00:55:51.000 And like, of course, Amanda, you know, Amanda Nunes, who fights, she fights in December, right?

00:55:57.000 Which is a really good fight, man, that a lot of people aren't talking about.

00:56:01.000 Jermaine Durandamy is a beast.

00:56:03.000 She's really good, man.

00:56:04.000 Super, super technical.

00:56:06.000 You know, she beat a man.

00:56:07.000 She beat a man.

00:56:08.000 She fought a man, right?

00:56:09.000 Yeah, she did fight a man.

00:56:10.000 Yeah.

00:56:11.000 She fought a guy and beat him.

00:56:12.000 I think she stopped him.

00:56:13.000 I think she KO'd him.

00:56:14.000 Wouldn't surprise me.

00:56:15.000 I wouldn't surprise me either, man.

00:56:16.000 She's super, super technical.

00:56:18.000 Yeah.

00:56:19.000 Yeah, but Amanda and Valentina Shevchenko, they represent the highest level right now.

00:56:25.000 And Wei Li Zhang, right?

00:56:27.000 As you say, Zhang Wei Li.

00:56:28.000 I mean, when she won the title like that, I was like, holy shit, that's another one.

00:56:33.000 I mean, and that woman, being from China, where martial arts is so gigantic over there and representing like that, woo!

00:56:39.000 She must be a megastar there now.

00:56:41.000 Oh my god.

00:56:41.000 She must be a megastar.

00:56:44.000 Oh my god.

00:56:45.000 And to win that way with such a spectacular knockout like that?

00:56:48.000 Wow.

00:56:49.000 Yeah.

00:56:50.000 And there's a shortage of women, and not only is there a shortage of women, she's a champion, world champion.

00:56:54.000 I know, right?

00:56:56.000 In UFC. And she knocks people out.

00:56:58.000 She's got to be like, ultra star there.

00:57:00.000 Oh, she's got to be gigantic too.

00:57:02.000 Yeah.

00:57:03.000 Just gigantic.

00:57:04.000 Huge star.

00:57:05.000 Yeah.

00:57:05.000 Yeah, I mean, and then, you know, as the UFC is making its way through China, to have someone like that as a champion.

00:57:10.000 Oh my God.

00:57:11.000 I heard they build a PI there three times bigger than the one in Vegas.

00:57:14.000 Yeah, it's huge.

00:57:15.000 I haven't seen it.

00:57:16.000 I've seen it online.

00:57:18.000 The only one I've seen in person is the one here.

00:57:20.000 But, fuck.

00:57:23.000 It's so impressive, the one in Vegas.

00:57:25.000 All the different state-of-the-art techniques for recovery and even those little pods you take naps in.

00:57:30.000 That I haven't seen.

00:57:31.000 If I lived in Vegas, man, that would be the spot.

00:57:33.000 If you were a fighter and you were living in Vegas, that's the spot to train.

00:57:36.000 Yeah, I've been there a few times.

00:57:38.000 They're really good.

00:57:40.000 Yeah.

00:57:41.000 Listen, man.

00:57:42.000 Kevin Lee, coming up to you, worked out.

00:57:45.000 Thank you, by the way.

00:57:46.000 My pleasure.

00:57:46.000 I appreciate it.

00:57:47.000 I knew it.

00:57:47.000 You set us up together.

00:57:48.000 I knew it, though.

00:57:49.000 When I was talking to him, I knew he was like a little bit lost and trying to figure out his way.

00:57:53.000 And I said, man, you need a head coach.

00:57:56.000 And I'm like, who fights like you?

00:57:58.000 George.

00:57:59.000 George St. Pierre.

00:58:00.000 I mean, not saying he's the same level as George, but it's George fights like that with wrestling and great striking and submissions.

00:58:09.000 He mixes it all up.

00:58:10.000 He's unpredictable in his attacks.

00:58:12.000 I'm like, they're very similar.

00:58:14.000 Neither one of them are particularly long.

00:58:16.000 Both guys are very physically strong.

00:58:18.000 I'm like, come on, man.

00:58:19.000 This is the guy.

00:58:21.000 He has a great training team already.

00:58:23.000 He doesn't have somebody to kind of put it all together.

00:58:25.000 Yes.

00:58:26.000 And, you know, we're talking about styles and level.

00:58:29.000 He's a bit of a, like his personality is a wildcat.

00:58:31.000 Like he's a, you know, he's a commando.

00:58:35.000 And me, I'm the opposite.

00:58:36.000 I'm like calculated.

00:58:38.000 I'm a scalpel.

00:58:39.000 Yeah.

00:58:39.000 He's a chainsaw.

00:58:40.000 Together it makes a great blend.

00:58:42.000 Yes.

00:58:42.000 Because you need both.

00:58:43.000 A little bit of discipline, a little bit of wildness.

00:58:45.000 There's a time and place for both.

00:58:46.000 Yes.

00:58:47.000 So like his last fight, I was happy he stayed disciplined.

00:58:50.000 Very so.

00:58:50.000 Very much so.

00:58:51.000 Very much so.

00:58:52.000 And he could become a world champion if he's disciplined.

00:58:54.000 Because George was very disciplined.

00:58:56.000 Yes.

00:58:57.000 He didn't veer off the game plan at all.

00:59:01.000 And he got the job diamond, the KOs.

00:59:03.000 I also told him all that shit that he does where he's moving up to the cage and he's dancing around and going crazy.

00:59:09.000 I'm like, abandon that shit.

00:59:11.000 I go, come out like a fucking samurai, man.

00:59:12.000 You got some serious work to do.

00:59:14.000 All that stuff is complicating your mind.

00:59:16.000 Yeah.

00:59:17.000 Because then you have to think, oh, all I did, if I lose right now, I'm going to look stupid with all that dancing.

00:59:22.000 And there's all this pretending that you're not feeling the feeling that you're feeling right now.

00:59:28.000 You're feeling this incredible moment.

00:59:30.000 Six months of preparation, getting ready for this one moment.

00:59:34.000 Here it is.

00:59:35.000 Embrace what that is.

00:59:37.000 Go zen, man.

00:59:38.000 Be empty.

00:59:39.000 And he was like that the whole training camp.

00:59:40.000 He was very focused for this one.

00:59:42.000 You could tell.

00:59:43.000 Yes.

00:59:43.000 I was really happy because I like guys who come in the gym and work.

00:59:46.000 They don't skip practice.

00:59:48.000 If guys tell me, I'm not in today for whatever reason, I let them, okay, you don't want to be in, you don't want to be in.

00:59:54.000 I'll tell them, look, I think you should be in, but you don't want to come in.

00:59:57.000 What can I do?

00:59:58.000 But he was very disciplined.

01:00:00.000 He came to all the practices and it worked out beautifully.

01:00:03.000 How old is he now?

01:00:06.000 Maybe late 20s now?

01:00:07.000 I'm not even sure.

01:00:08.000 I think...

01:00:09.000 I want to say he's 26. How old is Kevin Lee?

01:00:14.000 27?

01:00:14.000 27. What's his birthday?

01:00:16.000 September.

01:00:17.000 Okay, so he just turned 27. Yeah.

01:00:20.000 He's fucking not even in his prime.

01:00:22.000 And he's also experienced failure.

01:00:25.000 And experienced fights where he didn't live up to his potential.

01:00:28.000 And I think that ultimately will be a motivating force.

01:00:31.000 Because we see what he can do when he's really focused.

01:00:34.000 That...

01:00:35.000 Gregor Gillespie is a dangerous fight, man.

01:00:38.000 You know, I mean, people see that spectacular head kick knockout and they don't understand how good Gregor Gillespie is.

01:00:43.000 That kid is a savage.

01:00:45.000 And so when I found out that Kevin was going to fight Gregor in his fight back to 155. Not a good comeback fight.

01:00:51.000 Dangerous comeback fight.

01:00:52.000 Yeah, very high risk.

01:00:53.000 Very high risk.

01:00:54.000 And also getting down to 155. What did you guys do differently to get him down to 155 easily this time?

01:01:01.000 We kind of put our heads together.

01:01:03.000 Dewey Cooper, his trainer, is really great.

01:01:05.000 Fantastic kickboxer.

01:01:06.000 Amazing.

01:01:07.000 Amazing.

01:01:07.000 I love working with him.

01:01:08.000 Brilliant guy.

01:01:09.000 His brother Keith, we kind of got our heads together and we're like, look, we got to keep losing weight at this rate, no matter what it takes.

01:01:18.000 And if he protests, if he wants to ease up, we'll listen to it, but he's got to bite the bullet at one point.

01:01:25.000 We can't go fall behind this rate of losing weight.

01:01:27.000 We have to lose on a pound an hour.

01:01:29.000 Every hour we have to lose one pound.

01:01:31.000 And at a certain point, now it's a pound an hour.

01:01:34.000 You're talking about for the weight cut?

01:01:36.000 Weight cut, yeah, weight cut.

01:01:37.000 Right, but what is he coming in at?

01:01:39.000 The week of the fight on Monday morning, what is he weighing in at?

01:01:43.000 You got it on your phone?

01:01:44.000 Yeah, I would hear it.

01:01:46.000 He looked a little smaller, but healthy.

01:01:49.000 He didn't look sucked in.

01:01:51.000 He didn't look like he depleted himself.

01:01:54.000 Did he do anything different in terms of weightlifting or running, extra running?

01:01:59.000 I wouldn't lift weights if I was him.

01:02:00.000 I don't want him to lift any weights.

01:02:02.000 I like bulking and then cutting.

01:02:05.000 I don't like cutting, cutting, cutting.

01:02:08.000 But when he came to me, it was six weeks before.

01:02:10.000 So we were in a cutting phase.

01:02:12.000 I don't want him to bulk up.

01:02:14.000 Because in six weeks, you can't bulk and then cut.

01:02:16.000 He's already very naturally muscular.

01:02:18.000 He's very naturally strong, naturally already.

01:02:20.000 So I had him doing road work.

01:02:23.000 Not too much plyometric, not like a little bit.

01:02:25.000 But I don't want to put any size on him because he's got enough size.

01:02:28.000 So first thing is evaluation.

01:02:30.000 Does he need muscle?

01:02:31.000 No, he's plenty of muscle.

01:02:33.000 Does he need power?

01:02:34.000 Plenty of power.

01:02:36.000 We need to create endurance and discipline in him.

01:02:41.000 That's what I think was making the big difference.

01:02:42.000 And some technical issues.

01:02:45.000 And we cut the 24 hours before he was 174. 174. So 20 pounds.

01:02:56.000 That's a lot.

01:02:56.000 It's a lot.

01:02:57.000 So there was a point where we had to hit, after losing a preliminary weight, we have to hit one pound an hour.

01:03:02.000 And he was good about it.

01:03:03.000 Actually, it wasn't that hard of a wake-up.

01:03:05.000 He did it really well.

01:03:06.000 We're very disciplined.

01:03:07.000 I was with him the last 48 hours, making sure he was doing the last few steps really well.

01:03:11.000 The rehydration process, I was with him the whole time.

01:03:14.000 What did he wake up at Friday morning?

01:03:16.000 Friday morning, I'll tell you right now.

01:03:21.000 It's not great.

01:03:22.000 I mean, okay, so one o'clock in the morning, it was 164. One o'clock in the morning.

01:03:32.000 Nine pounds to go.

01:03:34.000 Five o'clock in the morning, he was 163. That's when we started.

01:03:37.000 So I let him sleep for a couple hours, four hours.

01:03:40.000 Four hours of sleep, wake up.

01:03:42.000 So you woke him up at five?

01:03:43.000 Yeah.

01:03:44.000 The day of the weigh-ins.

01:03:45.000 The day of the weigh-in.

01:03:46.000 Wow.

01:03:47.000 Wake up.

01:03:49.000 Time to make weight.

01:03:51.000 At 10 o'clock, he was 155. Oh, wow.

01:03:58.000 So he went through from 5 a.m.

01:04:01.000 all the way to 10. Yeah.

01:04:03.000 Yes.

01:04:03.000 And what is he doing during that time?

01:04:06.000 Bath, bath, bath.

01:04:07.000 And then wrap him up in the towels.

01:04:08.000 Let him sweat in the towels.

01:04:10.000 Jesus Christ.

01:04:11.000 And then...

01:04:12.000 No sauna?

01:04:13.000 No, no sauna for this one.

01:04:14.000 How come?

01:04:16.000 Some guys prefer bath.

01:04:17.000 It's direct heat.

01:04:18.000 What do you like?

01:04:19.000 I like both.

01:04:20.000 I tell guys, if you're not used to the sauna, let's do bath.

01:04:22.000 I always tell guys, before your fight, go once a week to the sauna, like six weeks out.

01:04:28.000 Because sauna takes practice.

01:04:30.000 Some people sit in the sauna for 45 minutes and there's nothing.

01:04:32.000 They have sauna world championships.

01:04:34.000 I don't know if you know that, but in Finland, they have the world championships of sauna.

01:04:38.000 Some people stay in there for hours.

01:04:40.000 You build a tolerance.

01:04:41.000 Is it for time or for temperature?

01:04:43.000 Yeah, no, it's time.

01:04:44.000 You know Laird Hamilton, the guy who makes this amazing coffee?

01:04:47.000 This one, the turmeric?

01:04:48.000 Yeah.

01:04:49.000 I love it.

01:04:49.000 Turmeric coffee is incredible.

01:04:51.000 Laird is a world champion surfer.

01:04:53.000 He's a stud.

01:04:54.000 I mean, he's fucking Aquaman.

01:04:55.000 He's an animal.

01:04:56.000 But this guy gets in the sauna, cranks it up to 220 degrees, and rides an air bike.

01:05:01.000 So he's got like one of those Airdyne bikes.

01:05:04.000 Why?

01:05:04.000 He's a surfer.

01:05:05.000 Because he's a fucking animal, man.

01:05:06.000 He's wearing oven mitts.

01:05:08.000 Because the bar is so hot from being in the sauna, you can't grip it with your hands.

01:05:13.000 So he's in there like on one of them rogue Echo bikes.

01:05:16.000 And he's just fucking burning out.

01:05:18.000 He's a maniac, man.

01:05:20.000 But he does all kinds of crazy shit, like, you know, especially like hot sauna work and then jumping.

01:05:26.000 What do you got, Jamie?

01:05:27.000 What's up?

01:05:28.000 This is not the last one, but the most famous one.

01:05:31.000 They were at 230 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 110 Celsius.

01:05:36.000 Oh, my God.

01:05:36.000 And at six minutes, I think the guy on the left in this picture passed out and ended up dying.

01:05:42.000 No.

01:05:42.000 He died?

01:05:43.000 Yeah.

01:05:44.000 I cooked my steak at 110 Celsius.

01:05:46.000 Jesus.

01:05:49.000 Holy shit!

01:05:50.000 It's incredible, huh?

01:05:51.000 Oh my god!

01:05:53.000 Russian competitor dies in sauna world championship.

01:05:56.000 Yeah, fuck that.

01:05:58.000 How long were they in there?

01:05:59.000 Six minutes or so, I think is what it says.

01:06:01.000 Six minutes?

01:06:02.000 He lost for six minutes and they took him out.

01:06:04.000 Oh, so it's a temperature thing.

01:06:06.000 60 year old.

01:06:06.000 Over 60. Oh my god.

01:06:08.000 Look how red he is, man.

01:06:09.000 Ridiculous.

01:06:10.000 I cook my steak at 110. No joke.

01:06:12.000 This is inhuman.

01:06:13.000 110 Celsius is what Fahrenheit?

01:06:15.000 230. 230. Very dangerous.

01:06:16.000 Yeah, I was doing 220. He had me doing 220 for a little bit, but you know what?

01:06:20.000 I felt like it was burning my lungs.

01:06:22.000 I felt like it was burning the inside of my mouth.

01:06:25.000 Was it dry?

01:06:25.000 Yeah, I felt terrible.

01:06:26.000 I stopped doing it.

01:06:27.000 I did it a few times, but afterwards I'd lay down after I did it, and I was doing it for fucking like 15-20 minutes too.

01:06:34.000 What was the purpose?

01:06:35.000 Me?

01:06:36.000 I wanted to experiment.

01:06:37.000 But why does he do it?

01:06:39.000 Dude, first of all, he's built different.

01:06:41.000 This guy has an ankle that's like three of these Yeti cooler mugs because he broke it and just kept working out on it after he broke it, so it's all calcified.

01:06:51.000 He pulled it up, put it up on the table.

01:06:53.000 I was like, what the fuck, man?

01:06:55.000 He just broke his ankle and just kept working out.

01:06:57.000 And kept doing stuff on it.

01:06:59.000 And then it just sort of fused together.

01:07:01.000 And it's like, look at his ankle.

01:07:02.000 Look at that.

01:07:04.000 Oh my god.

01:07:05.000 That's his ankle, man.

01:07:06.000 And that's just from breaking and never stopping to do anything with it.

01:07:12.000 Yeah, it's like the root of a tree.

01:07:15.000 It's real weird, man.

01:07:16.000 He's a crazy person, but he's also one of the greatest surfers that ever lived, and I think sometimes you have to be that to be that.

01:07:26.000 They're all crazy.

01:07:27.000 Yeah, everybody's the best of their game.

01:07:29.000 They're all crazy.

01:07:29.000 They're all crazy, no matter what you do.

01:07:32.000 There's a touch of genius and there's a touch of madness.

01:07:35.000 I say that madness and genius are next door neighbors and they borrow each other's sugar.

01:07:39.000 This is true.

01:07:40.000 Because it's like they're next door neighbors.

01:07:42.000 You have to be like literally fucking up almost every other part of your life to achieve real greatness.

01:07:50.000 Yep.

01:07:51.000 Because you gotta abandon personal relationships, you gotta be totally unbalanced, completely obsessed, and focused upon your goal.

01:07:59.000 This is true.

01:08:00.000 But the beautiful thing for a fighter is, fighters can do that in camp and then break.

01:08:05.000 And then take a little break.

01:08:06.000 Not too much though.

01:08:07.000 Not too much.

01:08:07.000 Not too much space.

01:08:08.000 It's not too much space.

01:08:11.000 How much time do you, after a fighter like Kevin wins, how much time do you recommend to just fuck off?

01:08:17.000 I think two weeks is good.

01:08:20.000 Two weeks of fucking off?

01:08:21.000 Yeah, just go chill for two weeks, but I feel like everybody wants to take a month and six weeks, I think that's too much.

01:08:28.000 There's too much to learn in MMA. There's too much.

01:08:30.000 You know one position?

01:08:33.000 That can win you the fight.

01:08:35.000 So in that six weeks, how many positions did you miss out on that you don't know about?

01:08:39.000 There's so many positions.

01:08:39.000 There's so many scenarios to go over.

01:08:42.000 There's too much material to cover.

01:08:43.000 You know, I know this is only his first victory back at 155 pounds, but he said something, and I believe him.

01:08:51.000 He thinks he has the style to beat Khabib.

01:08:55.000 He thinks Khabib's style, which is so wrestling heavy...

01:08:59.000 But not really kick heavy.

01:09:01.000 And Kevin throws some nasty kicks.

01:09:03.000 He missed Gregor with a crazy head kick before he landed the one that put him out.

01:09:07.000 I was like, woo!

01:09:09.000 Like whizzing by the top of his head.

01:09:13.000 Speed, too.

01:09:14.000 Speed, explosion.

01:09:16.000 It just needs to be...

01:09:17.000 And he controlled the center beautifully.

01:09:19.000 He got hit.

01:09:20.000 He stayed disciplined.

01:09:21.000 He didn't freak out.

01:09:22.000 He didn't start brawling.

01:09:24.000 He just needs more.

01:09:26.000 More of these sort of fights, more experience with a guy like you in his corner.

01:09:30.000 More grooming.

01:09:31.000 Is he going to move to Montreal or is he going to stay down in Vegas?

01:09:33.000 I'm not sure.

01:09:34.000 I'm not sure.

01:09:35.000 Actually, he told me he's going to be back in January.

01:09:37.000 I told him to move.

01:09:38.000 Yeah, he should move for a while.

01:09:39.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 I'm like, first of all, Vegas, as great as it is, that nightlife is always like, Kevin.

01:09:50.000 Like, you try to do the right thing.

01:09:52.000 But in Montreal, it's different.

01:09:54.000 First of all, that winter teaches you something about life.

01:09:57.000 That winter up there, I remember my first December in Montreal was like 1992. I did the Montreal Comedy Festival.

01:10:03.000 And I was up there in the winter.

01:10:05.000 I was like, oh!

01:10:06.000 And I grew up in Boston.

01:10:07.000 I thought I knew what a winter was.

01:10:09.000 Oh!

01:10:10.000 Oh!

01:10:11.000 It's something.

01:10:12.000 The air!

01:10:13.000 It hurts.

01:10:14.000 It hurts.

01:10:15.000 It hurts your lungs when you're breathing in.

01:10:17.000 You realize you could die out here.

01:10:19.000 You know, you only have a certain amount of time to get to where you need to go and if you're walking.

01:10:25.000 Yeah.

01:10:25.000 I think it was, actually it was 93 now that I think about it.

01:10:28.000 But that, you guys are a good style at 10 to 15 degrees colder than Boston.

01:10:33.000 And I just thought that was just ridiculous.

01:10:35.000 And we're near the water too.

01:10:36.000 Yes.

01:10:37.000 The wind chill.

01:10:38.000 Yes.

01:10:39.000 And it's the moisture, that cold air.

01:10:41.000 Woo!

01:10:41.000 The wind chill factor.

01:10:42.000 That cold, wet air.

01:10:44.000 Ah!

01:10:46.000 But it's just, there's something also, I think, about cold weather people, like people that live in cold weather and there's more resilience.

01:10:55.000 I think it's a character builder.

01:10:56.000 I really do.

01:10:58.000 I mean, I've often thought, I don't want to move to a cold weather area, but if I did, it'd probably be good for me.

01:11:03.000 It's actually a beautiful winter.

01:11:05.000 I find winter beautiful.

01:11:06.000 I don't know what it is about it, but it's a special time of the year.

01:11:09.000 And then when summer comes, it's like summer is the most incredible thing you've ever lived because you just went through winter.

01:11:14.000 Yes.

01:11:15.000 So the summer is just like a...

01:11:17.000 It's like every year you get hit with that.

01:11:18.000 We're like weather trust fund babies out here.

01:11:21.000 We're just so used to everything being perfect.

01:11:23.000 It's fine.

01:11:24.000 If it rains at all, we're like, oh my god, the world's over.

01:11:28.000 It's raining.

01:11:29.000 Yeah.

01:11:29.000 When you go through a brutal winter and then it breaks, it's like, I don't know how to explain it.

01:11:35.000 It's better.

01:11:36.000 I don't know how to explain it.

01:11:37.000 Yeah.

01:11:37.000 Well, the passing of the seasons is also symbolic of life, the cycle of life.

01:11:42.000 There's a real cycle to this, and you only have a certain number of those fall, winter, spring, summer events.

01:11:49.000 There's not that many of them, man.

01:11:51.000 You hear the howling wind of the freezing cold, and you're in your home, and you have to...

01:11:56.000 It's like, when I come home and I see my house buried in snow, I love it.

01:12:00.000 I take pictures of it.

01:12:01.000 Do you?

01:12:01.000 Yeah, because I don't know what it is about it, but when you get inside, it's like...

01:12:04.000 I kind of miss it.

01:12:05.000 I miss it now.

01:12:07.000 Denver, shout out to Denver.

01:12:09.000 They're fucking frozen in right now.

01:12:10.000 All the highways are getting shut down right now as we speak.

01:12:13.000 Giant storm just hit.

01:12:15.000 Yeah, I think it makes better people.

01:12:17.000 I think it also makes people that appreciate nature.

01:12:21.000 Because in California, we don't even know what the fuck nature is.

01:12:24.000 I mean, you do if you go outside.

01:12:26.000 You're like, oh, trees.

01:12:27.000 But we don't know the force of it.

01:12:29.000 Because we're so immune to it out here, essentially.

01:12:32.000 You're nothing to nature.

01:12:34.000 You're a speck of dust.

01:12:36.000 It doesn't care.

01:12:38.000 It'll freeze you out.

01:12:40.000 Yeah, it's rough.

01:12:41.000 Well, it's also another good choice about moving to Montreal is that you've accumulated a culture up there at TriStar.

01:12:49.000 And that is as important to success as almost anything, is to go into an environment and feeling the culture of that environment and knowing, like, this is a place where real assassins go to train.

01:13:03.000 This is a real world-class facility with some of the best competitors on Earth are going to hone their edge.

01:13:10.000 This is where they go.

01:13:11.000 This is the place you check your ego at the door.

01:13:14.000 Everybody's the same.

01:13:15.000 It's all about improvement, excellence.

01:13:18.000 There's only one question.

01:13:20.000 What are we doing today is whatever's going to make us better, period.

01:13:23.000 There's no, all these guys in the practice room, we've got to cater to his needs and we've got to move things around.

01:13:26.000 No, no, there's none of that.

01:13:28.000 I've had some big stars come in and I tell them, look, you can come in with your entourage, but you have to do it this way and you have to come in and do the workout like this and you have to be like everybody else.

01:13:38.000 Oh yes.

01:13:39.000 If it's a no, you can't come in.

01:13:40.000 That's it.

01:13:40.000 Just don't come in.

01:13:41.000 I can't stop the world for a guy to massage his ego.

01:13:45.000 That's why I like Kevin.

01:13:46.000 He was very humble and he works with everybody.

01:13:49.000 He's a great fit.

01:13:50.000 He's a great guy.

01:13:51.000 He's a great human being.

01:13:52.000 He's got potential outside of the sport too.

01:13:56.000 He's a fun guy.

01:13:58.000 He's an interesting personality.

01:14:00.000 And not even just outside of the sport, meaning after he's done.

01:14:03.000 I mean, if he does make big strides in the sport and becomes a champion, he could transcend.

01:14:10.000 He really can.

01:14:11.000 He has that kind of personality.

01:14:13.000 It's just a matter of doing what he did for that Gregor Gillespie fight over and over and over again.

01:14:18.000 And that is maddening.

01:14:20.000 Especially if he fights Khabib or when he fights Khabib.

01:14:23.000 You think he's going to fight Khabib?

01:14:25.000 I think so.

01:14:26.000 Khabib said he's only going to fight a couple more times.

01:14:27.000 I think he wants to fight George.

01:14:29.000 That would be great.

01:14:30.000 165. Can George make that?

01:14:33.000 Yeah, 165. Yeah.

01:14:34.000 I think so, yeah.

01:14:35.000 And Khabib, it would probably be nice for him to...

01:14:38.000 Yeah, but do we need a title on the line?

01:14:40.000 I don't think we need a title on the line.

01:14:41.000 Or do we do super lightweight?

01:14:42.000 Bad motherfucker of the North?

01:14:44.000 Whatever they want.

01:14:45.000 Whatever they want.

01:14:46.000 BMF will win.

01:14:47.000 Whatever.

01:14:47.000 Whatever you want.

01:14:49.000 I mean, look at the Masvidal-Diaz fight.

01:14:52.000 I love that thing.

01:14:52.000 I love it.

01:14:53.000 You can do anything you want with a title.

01:14:54.000 Yeah, and you can make one.

01:14:57.000 You could put Tony Ferguson, Masvidal, 165 BMF. You have control of everything now.

01:15:01.000 Right.

01:15:01.000 The BMF thing is interesting.

01:15:03.000 Very smart.

01:15:04.000 Yeah.

01:15:05.000 It's not going to go away.

01:15:06.000 And no one complained.

01:15:07.000 I loved it.

01:15:08.000 No one was like, what is this?

01:15:09.000 No.

01:15:10.000 We all watched.

01:15:11.000 That's what I tell people.

01:15:12.000 The people who are badmouthing it, I'm like, you're still going to watch.

01:15:14.000 You want to see it.

01:15:15.000 That's the whole point.

01:15:16.000 It's fun.

01:15:17.000 Whenever a belt says bad motherfucker on it, we're living in a good time.

01:15:24.000 Listen, I was just happy to see that fight.

01:15:26.000 And I'm happy to see George get the shine that he deserves, and I'm happy to see Nate get the shine that he deserves.

01:15:32.000 So for me, the title was great, nice, fantastic, whatever.

01:15:37.000 Five round fight with two of the very best 170 pounders in the world.

01:15:41.000 That's what was intriguing to me.

01:15:43.000 And whether or not Diaz could handle the overall skill set of Masvidal, because his skill set is so comprehensive.

01:15:50.000 The wrestling is excellent.

01:15:52.000 His creativity, his instincts, his killer instincts, his knockout power, the fact that he's a great kicker as well as a great puncher.

01:16:00.000 People forget, he knocked out Eve Edwards with a head kick in Bodog back when Eve was a fucking man.

01:16:06.000 Back when Eve was arguably the best 155 pounder in the world.

01:16:09.000 And the body punch.

01:16:10.000 Yes.

01:16:11.000 You don't see that often.

01:16:12.000 Oh man, he throws everything.

01:16:13.000 That body shot, that's a lost art of body punching.

01:16:16.000 Because a lot of people punch...

01:16:17.000 Kind of like this, but he was an uppercut to the body.

01:16:20.000 That was driving through.

01:16:21.000 And you could tell I heard Diaz change side.

01:16:23.000 But he had kicked him there before.

01:16:24.000 It was a brilliant strike, like really beautiful shot selection.

01:16:28.000 He's got one of the highest fight IQs in the sport.

01:16:32.000 And he doesn't have any weaknesses.

01:16:34.000 He doesn't have a weak chin.

01:16:36.000 He takes a tremendous shot.

01:16:37.000 His heart is incredible.

01:16:38.000 Now that he's in far better shape than he's ever been any other time in his career, he's more disciplined.

01:16:45.000 I mean, I'm very excited about him right now because from his resurgence, from the knockouts that, you know, knocking out Cowboy Cerrone, knocking out Darren Till, the knockout of Askren, which is just like fucking insane, man.

01:16:59.000 Insane.

01:17:00.000 That one was...

01:17:01.000 Insane.

01:17:01.000 And then just really putting it on Diaz.

01:17:05.000 It shows you how fucking tough Nate Diaz is.

01:17:07.000 Goddamn.

01:17:08.000 Oh my God.

01:17:10.000 So tough.

01:17:12.000 But can he beat an Usman or Kobe?

01:17:15.000 That's a good question.

01:17:16.000 It's a real good question.

01:17:17.000 I think if he had a lot of rounds to do it, or let's say there was no rounds, I would pick him.

01:17:24.000 Really?

01:17:25.000 Yeah, because he could finish.

01:17:26.000 Yeah.

01:17:27.000 But the problem is, he could also get out-wrestled.

01:17:30.000 They eat up the rounds, they eat up the time.

01:17:32.000 But I don't see them finishing them, Masvidal.

01:17:35.000 But I could see Masvidal turning it around later on and finishing, because he's a great finisher.

01:17:39.000 Yes.

01:17:40.000 Well, Usman could crack.

01:17:42.000 You know, we saw that in the Woodley fight.

01:17:43.000 We've seen, he's won by knockout before.

01:17:45.000 He's got legitimate power.

01:17:47.000 One knockout?

01:17:48.000 But you see it when he landed.

01:17:50.000 I mean, he's got at least one knockout.

01:17:52.000 Yeah, I think one.

01:17:52.000 But you see he's got that kind of power.

01:17:54.000 He does.

01:17:54.000 You know, when he hurt Tyron.

01:17:56.000 I mean, Tyron takes a good shot, and he had Tyron in real, real bad trouble.

01:18:00.000 Yes.

01:18:00.000 He's dangerous with his strikes.

01:18:02.000 Colby is a guy who's very wise in his choice.

01:18:06.000 He's, to me, one of the most intriguing characters in the sport.

01:18:09.000 Because he gets you tricked into thinking that he's a bum.

01:18:12.000 Because he's got the fucking Donald Trump Jr. book, and he has a cheap suit on, and a MAGA hat, and the old belt.

01:18:19.000 But meanwhile, that motherfucker puts it on you, and he doesn't get tired.

01:18:24.000 And he's got this brilliant strategy of everything he throws, very Nick Diaz-like, 50-60%.

01:18:29.000 He's not throwing haymakers.

01:18:31.000 50-60% just keeps it on.

01:18:33.000 He keeps it on.

01:18:35.000 He keeps it on.

01:18:35.000 And you keep thinking you're going to get this break where you're going to be able to fire back, like Robbie Lawler.

01:18:39.000 He kept trying to find an opening to fire back.

01:18:42.000 Those openings aren't coming.

01:18:44.000 541 strikes against Robbie.

01:18:46.000 People don't understand how insane that is.

01:18:48.000 Go hit the bag 500 times.

01:18:50.000 Like your next workout, just hit the bag 500 times.

01:18:53.000 Yeah.

01:18:53.000 Just get someone to stand there with a clicker.

01:18:54.000 Yeah, just click.

01:18:55.000 And throw 541 shots.

01:18:56.000 And don't even throw it full blast.

01:18:57.000 No.

01:18:58.000 Just throw it 50%.

01:18:59.000 Plus, he's wrestling.

01:19:00.000 How many takedown scrambles?

01:19:01.000 How many?

01:19:02.000 His endurance is incredible.

01:19:06.000 And you know, he created that character because he thought the UFC was going to cut him.

01:19:10.000 He was fighting in Brazil.

01:19:11.000 They told him it was basically his last fight.

01:19:13.000 Really?

01:19:14.000 Yeah, man.

01:19:14.000 They were ready to get rid of him.

01:19:16.000 They thought his style was fucking boring.

01:19:18.000 The UFC is...

01:19:19.000 Jamie, we've got a little issue here with this thing.

01:19:21.000 It's falling down.

01:19:22.000 Oh, it tightens up.

01:19:23.000 There you go.

01:19:23.000 I gotcha, I gotcha.

01:19:25.000 Alright.

01:19:26.000 They were basically ready to cut him.

01:19:28.000 And so he said, you know what?

01:19:30.000 I'm just going to fucking go for broke.

01:19:31.000 I'm going to call these Brazilians a bunch of shitty names.

01:19:34.000 He called them dirty animals and all this crazy shit.

01:19:37.000 And he basically just created this pro wrestling heel persona.

01:19:41.000 Have you ever talked to him?

01:19:42.000 Real life?

01:19:43.000 No, no, no, no.

01:19:43.000 Very nice guy.

01:19:44.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:19:45.000 Very smart guy.

01:19:46.000 I'm very sure.

01:19:46.000 I'm sure of it.

01:19:47.000 Really friendly.

01:19:48.000 Like, real nice to talk to.

01:19:50.000 He's not that guy.

01:19:51.000 He's a fucking...

01:19:52.000 He needs a goddamn Academy Award.

01:19:54.000 It's crazy.

01:19:55.000 Because everybody hates him.

01:19:56.000 They think he's a piece of shit.

01:19:57.000 He's there posing with Trump and everything.

01:19:59.000 It's fucking funny, man.

01:20:00.000 He's giving them what they want.

01:20:01.000 He's giving them what they want.

01:20:02.000 And when the fans don't want that no more, he won't give it to them.

01:20:04.000 But...

01:20:04.000 He can also fight his ass off, which is what's so crazy.

01:20:08.000 It's like people get twisted.

01:20:10.000 They get it twisted in their head that he can't really fight.

01:20:12.000 Listen, he beat Robbie Lawler.

01:20:14.000 He beat him bad.

01:20:15.000 Like, he dominated him.

01:20:16.000 That's a big win.

01:20:17.000 That's a massive win.

01:20:18.000 Rafael dos Anjos, same thing.

01:20:20.000 Beat the shit out of him.

01:20:20.000 That's a colossal win.

01:20:21.000 He just keeps it on you.

01:20:22.000 He doesn't give you any air.

01:20:24.000 There's no air.

01:20:25.000 No one gets air.

01:20:26.000 And he could take a shot.

01:20:28.000 He's fearless.

01:20:29.000 Dude, he's got everything going for him.

01:20:31.000 If he was just a high-level contender, he'd be like, fuck, keep an eye on that guy.

01:20:37.000 Something special about him.

01:20:38.000 But all this craziness that he does has got everybody confused with the MAGA hat.

01:20:43.000 That suit costs $3.

01:20:44.000 He's got a $3 blue suit on.

01:20:47.000 The whole thing is so nuts.

01:20:49.000 I mean, he's a fucking character, man.

01:20:52.000 It's incredible.

01:20:53.000 It's really smart.

01:20:54.000 And he really gets a rise out of people because people would try to fight him outside the ring.

01:20:58.000 It's nuts.

01:20:59.000 Even Masvidal.

01:21:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:01.000 Well, Masvidal's friends with him, too.

01:21:03.000 Yeah, but Masvidal wants to kill him, though.

01:21:04.000 But does he?

01:21:05.000 I don't know.

01:21:06.000 They might both be in on that.

01:21:07.000 Could be, yeah.

01:21:08.000 I don't give a fuck.

01:21:09.000 Let him talk.

01:21:10.000 Pro wrestlers like each other and they still throw each other through tables.

01:21:13.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:21:14.000 That's true.

01:21:16.000 I'm interested to see that fight, too.

01:21:18.000 He got Trump to come to the fights, man.

01:21:20.000 Yes!

01:21:20.000 Dude, Donald Trump came to the fight.

01:21:22.000 You know, I almost missed the Kevin Lee fight.

01:21:24.000 Really?

01:21:24.000 Because of all the security?

01:21:26.000 I went to the green room to get a coffee and a little bite to eat, and then they're like, this area's closed.

01:21:31.000 I'm like, okay, I just gotta, no, so you can't move around.

01:21:35.000 I'm like, okay, the whole section here is locked down.

01:21:39.000 Yeah.

01:21:40.000 I'm like, for how long?

01:21:40.000 We don't know.

01:21:42.000 So, Secret Service now.

01:21:43.000 They're like, we don't know.

01:21:44.000 Well, I gotta contact UFC. We don't care about UFC. Well, I'm like, who talks to UFC? Who from UFC is talking to Secret Service?

01:21:52.000 We don't care.

01:21:53.000 We don't know.

01:21:54.000 Yeah, I had to wait a whole hour and a half before I could leave.

01:21:57.000 Really?

01:21:57.000 Yeah.

01:21:58.000 Everything was locked down.

01:22:00.000 They had to wait until Trump's entourage or whatever.

01:22:03.000 Us too, us too.

01:22:04.000 All the bulletproof fucking tanks that take him through the city.

01:22:08.000 Dude, I almost missed a fight.

01:22:10.000 One fight goes by, two fights goes by.

01:22:11.000 Five fights have gone by.

01:22:13.000 I'm like, guys, we don't care.

01:22:14.000 It was hard to get in.

01:22:15.000 It was hard to get in.

01:22:16.000 The whole thing was locked down.

01:22:17.000 We had to go into a different entrance.

01:22:19.000 We had to get everything checked.

01:22:21.000 They had to check my fanny pack.

01:22:23.000 Did you get the dogs?

01:22:24.000 Yeah, the dogs checked the truck.

01:22:26.000 The dogs had to walk around the truck and sniff the truck.

01:22:28.000 Did you see the soldiers?

01:22:29.000 How geared up they were?

01:22:31.000 Yeah, they were ready to rock, man.

01:22:33.000 Goggles and shit.

01:22:34.000 Night vision, machine guns, all over the place.

01:22:36.000 Crazy.

01:22:37.000 Well, you gotta think.

01:22:38.000 I mean, if someone was a terrorist and they wanted to create a gigantic thing, you'd kill Trump at the UFC. I was shocked he's in the stands.

01:22:46.000 So he's in the crowd.

01:22:47.000 I thought he was going to be up in a booth.

01:22:49.000 Right.

01:22:49.000 No, he was right on the goddamn floor.

01:22:51.000 Wow, that's pretty dangerous.

01:22:52.000 Yeah, he was right there.

01:22:53.000 The fans were there, no?

01:22:54.000 Yeah.

01:22:54.000 It was funny too, man, because everybody was like torn over whether or not he got booed or cheered.

01:23:00.000 Did he?

01:23:01.000 He got booed.

01:23:01.000 I didn't hear it.

01:23:02.000 I was in the back.

01:23:02.000 Bro, I took my headphones off.

01:23:04.000 I took my headphones off.

01:23:05.000 I was like, boom!

01:23:06.000 What, they put him on the big screen?

01:23:08.000 Yeah, but here's the thing.

01:23:09.000 If you're standing, if you're seated in a place where there was Trump fans, you heard cheers.

01:23:15.000 You heard a lot of fucking noise, for sure.

01:23:17.000 But there's a difference, right?

01:23:19.000 Okay, like, say if he, like, there's certain people that walk in and you hear cheers, right?

01:23:26.000 Like, if Deontay Wilder was there, the place would go apeshit, right?

01:23:31.000 They'd go, yeah!

01:23:32.000 Yeah!

01:23:33.000 That's a cheer.

01:23:34.000 When Trump was there, they're like...

01:23:36.000 But there was cheers mixed in with the boos.

01:23:40.000 Tony Hitchcliffe had a good point.

01:23:41.000 He's like, well, if you were sitting in the cheap seats where the people were Trump fans, you'd hear a lot of cheers.

01:23:48.000 It's entirely dependent upon who's around you and whether or not they're supporting him or not supporting him.

01:23:53.000 But the idea that they all cheered him, that's fucking nonsense.

01:23:56.000 There was a lot of booing.

01:23:58.000 A lot of booing.

01:23:59.000 But also just a lot of craziness.

01:24:01.000 Like, holy shit, the President of the United States is here for the UFC. He's here for Masvidal versus Diaz.

01:24:08.000 Yeah.

01:24:09.000 That's nuts, man.

01:24:11.000 For the BMF title.

01:24:14.000 I don't know if he's even a fan.

01:24:17.000 I mean, I don't know if he really enjoys the fights.

01:24:19.000 Who's not a fan of fighting?

01:24:20.000 I wonder if he's going to come to Vegas for Colby's fight.

01:24:23.000 Imagine if he's like Colby's little fucking dog who follows him to all the fights.

01:24:29.000 He's like his number one fan.

01:24:31.000 Well, he definitely doesn't have the time to tweet.

01:24:32.000 He's doing that shit all day long.

01:24:34.000 That's true.

01:24:35.000 I mean, all he needs is one Saturday.

01:24:37.000 Come on, President.

01:24:37.000 He's the world's most powerful man.

01:24:39.000 I know.

01:24:40.000 I'm sure he probably has something that day, and he's going to move it around.

01:24:43.000 It would be hilarious if he made it to, look at that, him with Colby.

01:24:46.000 Colby.

01:24:46.000 He, he, he, he, he.

01:24:48.000 Ha, ha, ha, ha.

01:24:49.000 I can't...

01:24:54.000 Colby, I'd like to get him in here, but I don't know if you'd break character.

01:24:58.000 You got to.

01:24:58.000 I don't know if you'd break character or if you'd stick to who he is.

01:25:02.000 But I'm telling you, I hung out with him at the comedy store and I talked to him.

01:25:05.000 He's a fucking good guy, man.

01:25:07.000 I'm sure he is.

01:25:08.000 They think he's this character.

01:25:10.000 They all are.

01:25:11.000 They're all good guys.

01:25:12.000 A lot of them.

01:25:13.000 There's a few.

01:25:14.000 There's always a few, but most of them are good.

01:25:16.000 This is a thing I was just getting into with a friend of mine.

01:25:20.000 We were talking about people and their motivation for getting into fights, or for getting into fighting, and I was like, I go, some of it is not good, man.

01:25:27.000 Some of the motivation, it's just, but what happens once you become a fighter?

01:25:31.000 Like, you can sort of...

01:25:34.000 Transcend what your initial motivation was.

01:25:36.000 Like a lot of people, they got motivated into fighting because of abuse.

01:25:40.000 They were picked on.

01:25:41.000 They were bullied.

01:25:42.000 Or maybe even abuse at home.

01:25:44.000 You know, a father beat them or something like that.

01:25:46.000 And then they became this angry, mean person and wanted to get back to the world.

01:25:50.000 But through martial arts, you can transcend that and find peace.

01:25:53.000 And this is something that I think is...

01:25:56.000 It needs to be discussed more.

01:25:59.000 It needs to be talked more.

01:26:00.000 Because people don't hear it too much from the fighter's perspective.

01:26:04.000 Because fighters don't really express these ideas that much.

01:26:06.000 They just try to win and kick ass and do their best.

01:26:09.000 But you can find peace through combat.

01:26:13.000 You really can.

01:26:14.000 You can find a better version of yourself by getting through things that are even more difficult than the childhood that you went through.

01:26:22.000 Mm-hmm.

01:26:24.000 And you're going to eat a lot of humble pie.

01:26:26.000 Yeah.

01:26:26.000 Especially when you start.

01:26:27.000 Yes.

01:26:28.000 And it's a bitter taste.

01:26:30.000 Yes.

01:26:30.000 I always tell people, you think George Semper didn't get killed in practice when he was a white belt?

01:26:34.000 You think he started black belt?

01:26:36.000 No.

01:26:36.000 Right.

01:26:37.000 Like everybody, he got killed.

01:26:38.000 We all got killed on our way to black belt.

01:26:41.000 Now you see a black belt, he rarely ever gets put in a bad position.

01:26:44.000 But wait, you think he started like this?

01:26:46.000 He's suffering.

01:26:47.000 But you know...

01:26:48.000 You ever hear of Lierberg?

01:26:51.000 Lierberg, he's the world's greatest dog trainer.

01:26:53.000 Oh yeah?

01:26:54.000 A dog trainer?

01:26:55.000 A dog trainer, yeah.

01:26:55.000 You know Shitson?

01:26:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:57.000 He's one of the legends.

01:26:58.000 I don't know if he's still relevant today, but when I was a kid, my older brother was obsessed with dogs and he used to watch Lierberg's videos.

01:27:04.000 Oh, really?

01:27:05.000 Yeah, it's a library of videos on how to train a dog.

01:27:07.000 The first thing he does, he tells you how to pick a dog from the litter.

01:27:10.000 And he says he walks up to the litter, and he takes each puppy, and he pinches the puppy until the puppy cries.

01:27:16.000 So the puppy will whimper, you know, like, he'll cry.

01:27:20.000 And then he tries to make up with the puppy.

01:27:23.000 If the puppy makes up with him, and then when he walks off, the puppy follows him, he's like, that's a good dog.

01:27:27.000 I can train that dog.

01:27:28.000 If the dog doesn't make up with him, and is bitter about the experience, and he's walking away from Leerberg, he won't pick that dog.

01:27:36.000 That dog, when I'm going to train him later, he's going to be so bitter from the corrections I'm going to give him, and I'm going to have to, training him, I have to polish him, polish his dog.

01:27:49.000 He's going to become so better.

01:27:50.000 His attitude, his character is no good.

01:27:51.000 Attitude is the most important thing.

01:27:53.000 Attitude is the first.

01:27:55.000 And I feel like the new generation today, they're like this.

01:27:57.000 They're harder to train than the last generation.

01:28:00.000 Really?

01:28:00.000 Yes, because they're more proud.

01:28:03.000 They're more proud.

01:28:05.000 They're always trying to make a reason why they're not doing well.

01:28:08.000 As opposed to saying, look, I need to get better.

01:28:11.000 They kind of find excuses for what went wrong.

01:28:13.000 What do you think is the cause of that?

01:28:15.000 I think it's because we have a privileged life.

01:28:22.000 The first generation of any pioneers of any country, they always have nothing.

01:28:27.000 They claw their way to the top.

01:28:30.000 You know, Socrates used to talk about this.

01:28:32.000 The first generation claws their way to the top.

01:28:34.000 The second generation saw that hard work.

01:28:36.000 So you came in here, you had nothing, you could barely put food on the table, but you did everything to make it.

01:28:42.000 Your kid saw that.

01:28:44.000 He saw how food got on the table.

01:28:46.000 But you're handing them down all these resources, a business, inheritance, education.

01:28:52.000 Like for instance, my parents pushed me to be educated.

01:28:54.000 My parents are not educated people.

01:28:55.000 But when they came to Canada, they pushed me to become educated.

01:28:58.000 And now with your education, these new assets, this new business, you're ahead.

01:29:03.000 The third generation is where generally things go wrong because now they're getting things but they didn't see how it was made.

01:29:09.000 They're just, oh, I have this iPhone.

01:29:11.000 But I didn't see how they built this empire.

01:29:14.000 It's not necessarily three generations.

01:29:16.000 It could be more, obviously.

01:29:17.000 It's just like in a nutshell.

01:29:19.000 But there's one generation that just got stuff, but they didn't go out in the wild to go get it.

01:29:23.000 And those are the ones that are going to tell you, hey, you sinned with that food on the table.

01:29:26.000 You killed that animal, you put him on the table.

01:29:28.000 What a sin on you.

01:29:29.000 Shame on you.

01:29:30.000 But you're like, hey, you ate from this table.

01:29:33.000 This whole world we built is from this manner.

01:29:37.000 So that generation...

01:29:40.000 They don't know what it takes to survive.

01:29:42.000 Like, for instance, me and my kids, I don't give them anything unless they earn it.

01:29:46.000 I feel like if I give my son something for free, I cripple them, psychologically.

01:29:50.000 Take a tiger from the zoo and take a tiger from the wild.

01:29:55.000 Is it the same animal?

01:29:57.000 One of them can hunt and kill, the other one can't do nothing.

01:30:01.000 The one from the zoo, you took something from him.

01:30:03.000 What did you take?

01:30:04.000 His instinct to survive, to fend for himself.

01:30:07.000 Once I feed you, I weaken you.

01:30:08.000 If I feed you, oh, I made you weak.

01:30:11.000 Me, I teach you how to hunt.

01:30:12.000 You know, I have to teach my son how to hunt.

01:30:14.000 So one day, I tell my kids, what are you going to do when I'm dead?

01:30:16.000 What are you going to do on that?

01:30:17.000 Who's going to feed you?

01:30:18.000 Who's going to take care of you?

01:30:19.000 Think about these things.

01:30:21.000 I like them to earn.

01:30:23.000 Because if you give somebody a lot of nice things, they become very egotistical.

01:30:31.000 And I'll tell you why.

01:30:32.000 Because they're so insecure.

01:30:34.000 You can tell an insecure martial artist from a secure martial artist.

01:30:38.000 The insecure martial artist doesn't want to roll with this person, doesn't want to train here.

01:30:42.000 He's very selective of how he trains.

01:30:45.000 It's because he doesn't want to eat humble pie.

01:30:49.000 You can tell.

01:30:50.000 How much of that do we have in martial arts?

01:30:51.000 We have tons of that.

01:30:53.000 Guys with super black belts, but never fought.

01:30:55.000 They never trained.

01:30:56.000 Nobody ever saw them in action.

01:30:58.000 So I feel like that's what happens at one point.

01:31:01.000 Success breeds what Nietzsche calls the last man.

01:31:04.000 You're a fat cat on a pillow.

01:31:06.000 You fight so hard to give your kids a great life, but that great life kind of ruins them.

01:31:12.000 It could also ruin them.

01:31:13.000 So I feel like this generation of martial artists, not the hardcore guys in UFC, not them, but I'm talking about the everyday guy coming in.

01:31:20.000 Because now in jiu-jitsu you have clubs giving away belts with membership.

01:31:26.000 What?

01:31:27.000 - Yeah, so if you show up, we count how many times you come to practice, and then you have a stripe every so often.

01:31:34.000 It's all scheduled.

01:31:35.000 We tell you when you're gonna get your proper belt.

01:31:36.000 It's already-- - Wow, wait a minute, what?

01:31:37.000 - Yeah, there's clubs now.

01:31:38.000 - Who the fuck is doing that? - I don't wanna say because-- - You don't have to say, but that's real.

01:31:42.000 So they give you a certain number.

01:31:44.000 So if you train for 50 days, you get a stripe. - Yes.

01:31:47.000 - Train for another 50 days.

01:31:48.000 - Yes.

01:31:49.000 - Wow.

01:31:49.000 - Yes, it already started.

01:31:50.000 - That's terrible. - It happened in karate.

01:31:53.000 In the 70s, people don't know this, Masoyama sent three black belt karate experts to Thailand to fight Thais, three Thais.

01:32:00.000 Two of the karate guys won.

01:32:02.000 Really?

01:32:03.000 Do that today.

01:32:05.000 Today, not all karate schools, but most of them are watered down.

01:32:08.000 Why?

01:32:08.000 They start, okay, karate is popular.

01:32:10.000 Let's take out the sparring.

01:32:12.000 Let's take out all the hard training and guarantee this guy a black belt in four years, three years.

01:32:17.000 Whereas opposed to taking 10 years, the guy down the street is going to go out of business.

01:32:20.000 Why?

01:32:20.000 He's charging a fee to train you hard.

01:32:24.000 It's going to take you 10 years and you're going to have pain and suffering.

01:32:27.000 Whereas this guy, your neighbor, your competitor down the street, he's giving it to you in 3 years and there's not much pain and suffering involved.

01:32:34.000 So you get the prestige of a black belt without the hard training.

01:32:38.000 It's going to happen in Jiu-Jitsu now.

01:32:40.000 You're going to see it's coming.

01:32:41.000 It's already here.

01:32:41.000 It's been here for a while.

01:32:43.000 But jiu-jitsu seems like one of the rare meritocracies in martial arts.

01:32:46.000 If you don't spar, you don't tap people, you don't get a black belt.

01:32:50.000 I agree.

01:32:50.000 If you don't spar, you don't tap people, you don't make your way through.

01:32:53.000 Thank God.

01:32:53.000 But it's one of the rare ones because in karate, there's a lot of bullshit sparring where they're touching each other.

01:32:59.000 They put all sorts of rules and the sparring that was like...

01:33:02.000 Yeah.

01:33:03.000 So you never get really backed into a corner.

01:33:05.000 That's why it backfires a lot.

01:33:07.000 A lot of those guys who went to those other kind of schools, they end up in other academies.

01:33:10.000 They give up.

01:33:11.000 I've had a purple belt come up to me and say, I want to give back my purple belt.

01:33:15.000 I got a purple belt from a certain school and he went to the basics course in my gym.

01:33:19.000 Basics.

01:33:20.000 He says, I want to start back basics.

01:33:21.000 White belt.

01:33:22.000 No.

01:33:22.000 Yes.

01:33:23.000 He was a purple belt.

01:33:24.000 Right.

01:33:24.000 Went back to white belt.

01:33:25.000 Yeah.

01:33:26.000 But when I roll with him, I was like, who the hell?

01:33:28.000 No, it's not his fault.

01:33:29.000 What do you think he was?

01:33:32.000 Maybe a blue belt?

01:33:33.000 Blue belt.

01:33:33.000 Like a bear?

01:33:34.000 No, a blue belt.

01:33:36.000 The definition of blue belt, according to Elio Gracie, is you can beat a bigger, stronger opponent that's untrained.

01:33:44.000 So blue belt's not a huge, like, mega step.

01:33:47.000 But purple belt is an advanced belt.

01:33:49.000 You're advanced.

01:33:49.000 Yes.

01:33:51.000 You're almost a black belt.

01:33:52.000 You just need to keep training.

01:33:53.000 That's the hardest belt to get.

01:33:54.000 To go from blue to purple is the most painful transition, in my opinion.

01:33:58.000 In my opinion.

01:33:59.000 Because most people stop at blue.

01:34:00.000 For me, brown belt was the scariest.

01:34:02.000 Yeah.

01:34:02.000 Because I was like, fuck, I'm almost there.

01:34:05.000 I was like, oh man.

01:34:07.000 I was a brown belt for like eight years though.

01:34:09.000 Good.

01:34:09.000 I just kept getting injured too though.

01:34:11.000 Yeah.

01:34:11.000 That's okay.

01:34:12.000 Take your time.

01:34:13.000 I always tell guys, I'd rather you be a purple belt that tops out black belts.

01:34:16.000 Yes.

01:34:16.000 Then be a black belt that's getting killed by blue belts.

01:34:18.000 Right, right, right.

01:34:20.000 You harm your student when you give him a belt he can't carry.

01:34:23.000 Yes.

01:34:23.000 You harm them.

01:34:23.000 Why?

01:34:24.000 Because like you said, jiu-jitsu, people walk in from out of town, they jump into your class.

01:34:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:28.000 And the blue belt's killing your brown belt.

01:34:30.000 It's embarrassing for him.

01:34:31.000 Yes.

01:34:31.000 Leave him blue.

01:34:32.000 Yeah.

01:34:32.000 At least he's a blue belt getting beat by a blue belt.

01:34:34.000 Right.

01:34:35.000 Let him be what he is.

01:34:36.000 Yeah.

01:34:36.000 Alright, yeah.

01:34:37.000 But they want to hook you.

01:34:38.000 Oh, belt seminar.

01:34:39.000 Oh, belt test.

01:34:41.000 Now there's tests.

01:34:42.000 We didn't do tests.

01:34:43.000 I didn't do tests.

01:34:43.000 No.

01:34:44.000 John Dennehart, if you say, hey, John, we're going to do tests, he'll laugh at you.

01:34:46.000 Right.

01:34:47.000 Yeah, John Jock didn't do any tests either.

01:34:49.000 No, there's no tests.

01:34:50.000 Eddie Bravo didn't do any tests.

01:34:51.000 I think there's also a situation where these people are realizing that, hey, if you have X hundred students and they're paying $150 a month, you can get this amount of money.

01:35:00.000 The mathematics.

01:35:01.000 Yeah, they start doing the thing.

01:35:03.000 They're doing a thing in their head and they realize, like, look, I am only making X amount of money.

01:35:07.000 I can make triple that if I just lighten up on people.

01:35:10.000 But you have to sell the jiu-jitsu.

01:35:11.000 You have to change the thing.

01:35:12.000 You didn't learn it like this.

01:35:13.000 Right.

01:35:14.000 You didn't train like this.

01:35:15.000 Yes.

01:35:16.000 Jiu-jitsu is one of the rare martial arts where you go full blast.

01:35:22.000 And you can tap.

01:35:23.000 If you get caught in an arm bar, even though the guy's not yanking on it past the point where it's going to snap, they're showing some control.

01:35:30.000 They catch you in that arm bar and they know they have it.

01:35:32.000 You have to tap.

01:35:34.000 You just go again.

01:35:35.000 I mean, you can go right again.

01:35:36.000 You have an infinity of amount of lives.

01:35:38.000 If you wheel kick someone in the head, they're not going again for a long time.

01:35:41.000 Especially if you actually do it the way you would do it in a fight.

01:35:45.000 It's just like that difference of striking training versus grappling training is one of the things that really separates jiu-jitsu from the other martial arts is that you can learn in a real situation.

01:35:56.000 So like, if you're in a street fight with jiu-jitsu and you grab a hold of a guy, it's so normal.

01:36:02.000 The guy's going full blast.

01:36:03.000 Everybody goes full blast.

01:36:05.000 Everybody goes full blast.

01:36:07.000 But if you're in a street fight with someone who's only been point sparring and someone's swinging haymakers at you like, yikes!

01:36:13.000 You're scared because you're not accustomed to that because the actual consequences of getting hit like that in training are so high that you don't do that.

01:36:22.000 It's very different.

01:36:23.000 It's very, very, very different.

01:36:26.000 There's a lot of people that have black belts in karate that would get fucked up in a street fight by a guy who's quick, who can hit hard, who just knows how to just hit you.

01:36:33.000 A mean person that's been in a lot of street fights and knows how to punch you in the face.

01:36:37.000 There's also real karate instructors out there that have real good karate students.

01:36:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:42.000 But the vast majority of them are sold out.

01:36:45.000 Yes.

01:36:45.000 Because if they train the people for real...

01:36:48.000 They'll lose their customer, too.

01:36:49.000 I think it's the opposite in jiu-jitsu.

01:36:51.000 I think most jiu-jitsu is legit.

01:36:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:53.000 Most karate is not legit.

01:36:55.000 Yeah, it's not susceptible as much, jiu-jitsu, because you have to roll.

01:36:59.000 Right.

01:36:59.000 Or, like, eventually, you couldn't have gotten to pro belt without rolling.

01:37:05.000 But they have their ways.

01:37:07.000 If they have a kid who they know he's going to compete, they'll hold them back.

01:37:11.000 If they have a guy who's a lawyer, they'll boost him up faster.

01:37:16.000 And I understand that.

01:37:17.000 It's not the same thing.

01:37:18.000 A young kid who's competing and a guy who's older.

01:37:20.000 And I get that.

01:37:21.000 But there has to be still a purity to the game.

01:37:23.000 I hope they don't try to water it out.

01:37:25.000 Because I think it's going to backfire in the end.

01:37:26.000 Because it has.

01:37:27.000 So many guys come from...

01:37:29.000 Other schools to my gym and they're like, I don't want to tell you what belt I am.

01:37:32.000 I'm like, really?

01:37:33.000 They're embarrassed to tell me what belt they are.

01:37:35.000 So is that a Canada thing or is that happening all across the world?

01:37:39.000 I think it's happening around the world.

01:37:40.000 Fuck.

01:37:41.000 Yeah.

01:37:41.000 That's so disappointing to hear because when I started in 96, it was grimy, man.

01:37:48.000 It was fucking no one was doing it.

01:37:50.000 It was rough.

01:37:51.000 And when you did it, you were getting fired.

01:37:52.000 And it was a bunch of people that had seen the UFC and were like, holy shit.

01:37:56.000 It was me.

01:37:56.000 It was like I realized that I was so vulnerable.

01:37:59.000 Because I had these ideas.

01:38:00.000 Well, I know how to kick box.

01:38:01.000 I know Taekwondo.

01:38:03.000 I know how to handle myself.

01:38:04.000 And then I do jujitsu and just get mauled.

01:38:06.000 I mean, just by people my size, just manhandling me.

01:38:10.000 I got killed my first day.

01:38:11.000 And I loved it, though.

01:38:13.000 Because you realize, like, wow, so much to learn.

01:38:15.000 What is that move you did?

01:38:16.000 Yeah.

01:38:17.000 What is the thing you did?

01:38:17.000 I was so enthusiastic about it.

01:38:19.000 Like, am I going to get to see?

01:38:20.000 Am I going to get to try?

01:38:21.000 And they would show me what they did, and I was like, mind blow.

01:38:24.000 Like, total mind blow.

01:38:25.000 Yeah, it's interesting how vulnerable you really are.

01:38:29.000 Like, when you first learn, your first few days of classes.

01:38:33.000 It's different than almost anything else.

01:38:36.000 Because you feel like...

01:38:38.000 There's nothing you could do to get out of it.

01:38:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:42.000 I felt like sparring, when I kickbox sparred with people that were better than me, I'm like, at least I can move.

01:38:49.000 At least I can avoid this guy and maybe survive a few rounds if I fight defensively, don't extend myself, don't leave anything hanging out there, just play tight to my chest, spar smart.

01:39:00.000 I know this person's better than me, but I can get through this round.

01:39:03.000 I would do jujitsu against guys who are black belts when I was a white belt or a blue belt.

01:39:07.000 I'd be like, there's nothing!

01:39:09.000 There's not a thing I can do.

01:39:10.000 This is 100% positive he's going to tap me.

01:39:13.000 It's a matter of what he's practicing on me.

01:39:14.000 It's fun though.

01:39:15.000 If the guy on top of you is not being a...

01:39:17.000 An asshole.

01:39:17.000 Yeah, if he's cool.

01:39:19.000 Because you could teach somebody jujitsu in a nice way.

01:39:22.000 It is a gentle art.

01:39:24.000 It can be, yeah.

01:39:25.000 It can be, yeah.

01:39:26.000 When I saw...

01:39:27.000 The first commercial for UFC 2. I saw them hoist up the champion.

01:39:32.000 I saw them pick up the champion, hoist Gracie.

01:39:34.000 I was shocked.

01:39:35.000 That is a small guy.

01:39:37.000 Is martial arts real?

01:39:38.000 I thought it was like, this guy won?

01:39:41.000 No way.

01:39:42.000 I begged my parents to buy UFC 2. I showed it to my brothers.

01:39:48.000 I showed everybody like, we have to watch this.

01:39:51.000 And then they showed the lineup of guys he's going to fight.

01:39:53.000 I thought, okay, no, he's going to get killed.

01:39:54.000 I didn't see part one, but this guy, this Brazilian guy is going to get killed.

01:40:00.000 He weighs 176 pounds.

01:40:02.000 This guy's 250 pounds.

01:40:04.000 I was like, this guy's going to get killed.

01:40:05.000 Is he crazy?

01:40:06.000 And he won.

01:40:08.000 And if the new generation hasn't watched that, they have to go back and watch it.

01:40:11.000 They should.

01:40:11.000 They have to.

01:40:13.000 Because that's the genesis of, like, they set martial arts on fire.

01:40:17.000 Everybody wanted to do jiu-jitsu.

01:40:18.000 I couldn't find a jiu-jitsu school in Montreal.

01:40:21.000 I was, like, dying.

01:40:22.000 If you ask me, cut your arm off, we'll teach jiu-jitsu, I would do it.

01:40:25.000 Like, that's how badly I wanted to learn it.

01:40:26.000 I met a purple belt from Henzo Gracie, Angelo Xaracos, and I was, like, religious with my lessons.

01:40:32.000 He would teach twice a week, but I would train all week.

01:40:35.000 I made my own math.

01:40:36.000 I invite my neighbors over.

01:40:37.000 It was such a mind-boggling experience to learn jiu-jitsu.

01:40:41.000 It actually worked.

01:40:42.000 A martial art that really works.

01:40:44.000 Do you remember Henzo and Craig Kukuk had the first instructional videos?

01:40:48.000 Yes.

01:40:49.000 Those red plastic VHS tapes?

01:40:52.000 Yes.

01:40:52.000 I got those.

01:40:54.000 Yeah.

01:40:54.000 Yeah, those were like the first instructionals.

01:40:57.000 Because before, you would have to go somewhere to learn.

01:40:59.000 They were the first guys to actually put it down in an instructional form.

01:41:03.000 I would buy all of them.

01:41:04.000 Oh, I bought all of them.

01:41:05.000 All of them.

01:41:05.000 I remember I used one of the Mount Escapes once in class against a guy who was, I was like a, maybe I was a blue belt.

01:41:11.000 Not even.

01:41:12.000 I think it was a white belt.

01:41:13.000 But I secured this guy's arm and I bucked and kicked him over towards where I had taken away his base.

01:41:20.000 Bridge and roll.

01:41:21.000 Yeah.

01:41:21.000 And I was like, holy shit, it worked.

01:41:23.000 It worked!

01:41:24.000 Because I watched it in the video and then I wound up doing it in the class.

01:41:28.000 I was like, this is crazy.

01:41:29.000 He's like, where'd you learn that?

01:41:30.000 And I was like, I got this video, man.

01:41:33.000 Kenzo Gracie, Craig Kukuk.

01:41:35.000 Now, let me ask you this.

01:41:38.000 Mind experiment.

01:41:40.000 Imagine you have no martial arts training.

01:41:42.000 None.

01:41:43.000 Take everything you've learned, throw it away.

01:41:45.000 Okay.

01:41:45.000 Take away all your physical training.

01:41:47.000 Okay.

01:41:48.000 You walk into a room full of people.

01:41:49.000 How do you feel?

01:41:50.000 Psychologically.

01:41:51.000 A little insecure.

01:41:52.000 Insecure.

01:41:54.000 Insecure.

01:41:55.000 That's how regular people feel.

01:41:57.000 Most people, I should say.

01:41:58.000 Most.

01:41:58.000 They never train in their life.

01:42:00.000 They're unskilled to deal with a situation that might occur.

01:42:04.000 Could occur at any moment.

01:42:05.000 Yeah.

01:42:06.000 Yeah.

01:42:08.000 It's such a gift to train.

01:42:10.000 I train all my students, my kids.

01:42:13.000 It's mandatory.

01:42:14.000 Training to a certain level is mandatory.

01:42:16.000 It's like mathematics is mandatory to a certain level.

01:42:19.000 In Canada, you can't say, oh, I want to drop out of high school.

01:42:21.000 Now it's illegal now.

01:42:22.000 It's illegal to drop out of high school?

01:42:24.000 I think it is now.

01:42:26.000 They're going to pass it.

01:42:27.000 Wow.

01:42:27.000 But it's like you need a certain level of education.

01:42:30.000 I'm not sure now if high school is, like let's say elementary school.

01:42:33.000 Okay, you can't drop out of elementary school.

01:42:35.000 High school though, I'm not sure.

01:42:37.000 I have to double check, but I'm pretty sure it's illegal now at this point.

01:42:39.000 Well, I think that would stop a lot of bullying, and I've said this before, but I think it's counterintuitive to people.

01:42:44.000 They think that bullying is a mean person, and if you taught them how to fight, they'd become meaner.

01:42:49.000 But I don't think that's the case.

01:42:51.000 I think bullies are insecure.

01:42:52.000 I think if you took away that, and they got to really establish through training that they have character, and that they're worth something, and they don't have to be insecure, and they build up this confidence, you wouldn't see them going out and picking on people.

01:43:08.000 I've had so many parents tell me, I don't recognize my son when he's with you.

01:43:12.000 He's so disciplined.

01:43:14.000 He's so kind.

01:43:14.000 He's soft-spoken.

01:43:16.000 He's like, at home, he's an animal.

01:43:19.000 He acts up.

01:43:21.000 I'm like, really?

01:43:22.000 Well, here, if you did that, it would be a problem.

01:43:26.000 People respect...

01:43:29.000 The dojo.

01:43:29.000 They respect the environment they're in because there are other guys out there that put you in line.

01:43:33.000 And that's the real world.

01:43:34.000 And some people, they don't know that.

01:43:35.000 I remember one time I was in an airplane and a guy punched the back of my seat.

01:43:40.000 I swear to God.

01:43:41.000 I leaned back.

01:43:42.000 He had a laptop.

01:43:44.000 On his tray.

01:43:45.000 Yeah.

01:43:46.000 When I lean back, it crushes the laptop.

01:43:47.000 I don't know, the guy has a laptop.

01:43:49.000 I'm allowed to lean my seat back.

01:43:50.000 I lean it back.

01:43:51.000 The guy pushes like, he palmed it hard, like, boom.

01:43:55.000 And I was like, excuse me, sir.

01:43:56.000 Is there a problem?

01:43:57.000 He's like, don't lean your chair back.

01:43:59.000 I'm like, whoa.

01:44:00.000 I'm like, this is a guy who's never gotten a beating in his life.

01:44:02.000 The way he talked to me, Was so rude, I was like, dude, man.

01:44:06.000 I would never talk like that to somebody.

01:44:08.000 Never.

01:44:09.000 Why?

01:44:09.000 Because you learn through martial arts, you know, like, respect everyone, man.

01:44:13.000 Respect is huge.

01:44:14.000 One day you're the hunted, the other day you're the hunter, and it's just like the way life works, you know?

01:44:19.000 Like, have respect.

01:44:20.000 Why should, like, this guy's instigating a fight now.

01:44:23.000 We know what violence is.

01:44:24.000 It could be really bad for one of us here.

01:44:27.000 Why would you want to go there?

01:44:28.000 Over a laptop movie?

01:44:29.000 Yeah, I would have been like, sorry sir, my apologies.

01:44:32.000 I would have bought the guy, I would have bought him whatever he wants.

01:44:34.000 I would have took care of it.

01:44:36.000 I would have been nice to him about it.

01:44:37.000 Because we know the realities of violence.

01:44:39.000 Some people don't know the realities of violence.

01:44:40.000 I've seen people on video, they're in a certain situation and they act all crazy.

01:44:45.000 Hey, this might spark some violent event here.

01:44:48.000 You don't want this.

01:44:48.000 You don't know what violence is.

01:44:49.000 You've seen it on TV. You've seen it in a movie.

01:44:51.000 You think you know what it is to be punched and kicked.

01:44:54.000 This could end really bad for you.

01:44:56.000 Would you want to play with that if you know what it was?

01:44:59.000 Sometimes I see people starting a fight.

01:45:00.000 I'm like, this person has no idea what they're talking about.

01:45:03.000 They've never been in a fight.

01:45:04.000 They're instigating a fight.

01:45:06.000 A fight might occur and they might regret it.

01:45:08.000 They don't know what it is to be hit, to be attacked, to be in a fight.

01:45:13.000 I find it always jaw-dropping when somebody's going to instigate a fight over something so small.

01:45:19.000 And they don't even know how to fight, which is what's even crazier.

01:45:23.000 I told that guy off so bad.

01:45:24.000 Did you?

01:45:25.000 I told him off so bad.

01:45:28.000 I scared the hell out of him.

01:45:29.000 And I was like, yo, what are you going to do now?

01:45:30.000 And he was like, he turned white.

01:45:33.000 I'm like, dude, like I could have been an old lady here.

01:45:36.000 You could have hit an old lady.

01:45:37.000 She's pulling her chair back.

01:45:38.000 I told him off.

01:45:39.000 We're in an airplane too.

01:45:41.000 So I told him off.

01:45:41.000 I didn't yell or anything, but I told him off.

01:45:43.000 I told him what I think of him.

01:45:46.000 That guy shut his mouth.

01:45:48.000 But it's like, dude, you want to fight over this laptop?

01:45:51.000 Like, seriously.

01:45:52.000 No one can possibly know that you have a laptop open.

01:45:55.000 No, but...

01:45:55.000 The fact that you palm someone's chair.

01:45:58.000 Me, when I'm in public, the last thing I want to do is fight.

01:46:00.000 Yeah, of course.

01:46:01.000 The last thing.

01:46:02.000 Of course, of course.

01:46:02.000 The last thing.

01:46:03.000 I got it out of my system.

01:46:04.000 Well, isn't it funny?

01:46:05.000 Like, when was the last time you saw a fight at the gym?

01:46:08.000 Never.

01:46:10.000 Maybe.

01:46:11.000 Occasionally.

01:46:11.000 Some guys get mad if some guy doesn't let go with some taps or something like that.

01:46:14.000 A little thing.

01:46:14.000 Yeah.

01:46:15.000 A little thing.

01:46:16.000 But it's rare.

01:46:17.000 Yeah.

01:46:17.000 But a bar?

01:46:19.000 Jesus Christ.

01:46:20.000 Almost every weekend.

01:46:21.000 People fight.

01:46:22.000 The worst place to be.

01:46:25.000 You understand what it is, and I think most people don't, and I think most people are scared of it, and I think that's why they posture.

01:46:31.000 That's why they puff their chest up.

01:46:33.000 That's why they pretend.

01:46:34.000 Most people have zero idea.

01:46:36.000 Most people that haven't had any sort of physical altercation, they have zero idea of how vulnerable they truly are.

01:46:43.000 They really just don't know.

01:46:44.000 There's this left turn I take to the gym.

01:46:48.000 People think it's illegal.

01:46:49.000 My wife, when I did it once, she's like, it's an illegal turn.

01:46:51.000 I'm like, no, it's not.

01:46:52.000 I videotaped the light.

01:46:53.000 There's two green lights going left.

01:46:54.000 I had to send it to her, and she's like, oh, okay, you're right.

01:46:57.000 I take that left turn twice a day every day to go to the gym.

01:46:59.000 One day, I take that left turn, and this guy races his car towards me like he's going to plow through my door, honks at me, starts telling me off.

01:47:06.000 I'm like, I open my car door.

01:47:09.000 I'm like, let's go.

01:47:10.000 You want to go?

01:47:11.000 The guy is like, he got scared.

01:47:13.000 I'm like, dude, you're talking to me like you're my father here.

01:47:16.000 You want to go?

01:47:17.000 And the guy was like, he didn't want to come out of his car.

01:47:19.000 I'm like, shut your mouth.

01:47:21.000 It's not an illegal light.

01:47:22.000 I get in my car and I leave.

01:47:24.000 But that guy was Mr. Tough.

01:47:25.000 That guy's never been in a fight in his life.

01:47:28.000 Now that he's in his car, he's safe.

01:47:30.000 I hate stuff like this.

01:47:32.000 Of course.

01:47:32.000 Cars are so weird, too.

01:47:33.000 You know why?

01:47:34.000 They're so weird.

01:47:34.000 People are crazy when they're behind the wheel.

01:47:35.000 It's also, someone explained it to me psychologically.

01:47:37.000 What happens is when you're driving, you understand that you have to make these split-second decisions because you're moving fast, right?

01:47:43.000 So everything's accelerated.

01:47:45.000 So you're on edge.

01:47:46.000 So if someone does something wrong, like, you're fucking...

01:47:49.000 It's like people blow up at a level that they would never blow up if you were just walking.

01:47:53.000 Like, how many times have you been in a crowded street like Manhattan or something and people accidentally bump into people?

01:47:57.000 It's almost never an issue.

01:47:59.000 It's like, oh, sorry, sorry.

01:48:01.000 You know, you don't have that heightened sense of worry because you're not moving very fast where you have to make these split-second decisions.

01:48:08.000 So your brain is geared up to the speed that you're moving at.

01:48:11.000 That's why on the highway, people go fucking nuts!

01:48:15.000 Because their brain is already at like 7 or 8 before anything ever happens.

01:48:19.000 Do you think it has a lot to do, like on the internet, you're behind your keyboard?

01:48:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:22.000 There's nothing you could do to me.

01:48:24.000 I'm a distance away.

01:48:25.000 There's a little bit of that.

01:48:26.000 The guy's behind his car thinks I'm going to drive away.

01:48:28.000 There's a little bit of that.

01:48:29.000 There's a little bit of that, too.

01:48:31.000 There's a lot of factors.

01:48:33.000 But there is a psychological aspect to driving a car because your brain is ramped up to make quick decisions.

01:48:40.000 You know, I think that the society that we live in with people behind keyboards and with anonymous names, that's a coward's way of existing.

01:48:49.000 It really is.

01:48:50.000 It is a coward's way of existing.

01:48:52.000 The worst of the worst.

01:48:53.000 It's the worst.

01:48:54.000 Saying mean things to people while no one can see your face.

01:48:58.000 That's not your real name.

01:49:00.000 You're pretending to be something you're not.

01:49:02.000 And when you see it happen with fighters, to me, it's fucking crazy.

01:49:06.000 I'll go to people's Twitter pages when a fighter wins or something like that, and they see all the assholes Oh my god.

01:49:12.000 You guys are out of your fucking mind.

01:49:14.000 I wish they all had to use their name with their face and it showed the city where they live.

01:49:19.000 That's what I wish.

01:49:20.000 I wish like if you wanted to have a more civilized version of social media you should be able to see your face and your name and where you live.

01:49:28.000 You know, Facebook is probably a little...

01:49:30.000 I don't use Facebook, but I guess it's probably a little...

01:49:32.000 The only way I use Facebook, it's connected to my Instagram.

01:49:35.000 So if I post on Instagram, it goes to Facebook.

01:49:37.000 I've read it a few times, like the crazy shit that people write.

01:49:40.000 I'm like, I don't want any part of you.

01:49:41.000 It's nuts.

01:49:42.000 It's the worst side of human beings.

01:49:44.000 Well, it's also...

01:49:44.000 The thing about Facebook that drives me crazy is there's no limit to how much you can write.

01:49:48.000 So you write these long fucking...

01:49:50.000 Who can read that?

01:49:51.000 Who can read it?

01:49:53.000 Assholes.

01:49:53.000 People that post those things, they also write it.

01:49:55.000 But there's something about that, at least with Facebook, it's your name.

01:50:02.000 It's Farah Sahabi.

01:50:03.000 You see your name.

01:50:04.000 I mean, I guess you could have a fake name on Facebook.

01:50:07.000 Yeah, you could make a fake account.

01:50:08.000 I don't think you should be able to.

01:50:10.000 I think the only problem against that would be, like, say if you were a woman and you're working at an office and your boss was abusing you or sexually harassing you and you couldn't say anything anonymously.

01:50:21.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:22.000 Like, you should be able to anonymously say something, or maybe even there's something going on at your job where it's illegal, where people's lives are being put in damage.

01:50:32.000 You should be able to leak.

01:50:33.000 Yes.

01:50:33.000 Whistleblow.

01:50:34.000 Yes, yes.

01:50:35.000 You should be able to say certain things anonymously.

01:50:37.000 But other than the talking shit, as soon as you talk shit, all those privileges are revoked.

01:50:42.000 But why do people do this, you think?

01:50:44.000 Again, same thing as what we were talking about earlier.

01:50:46.000 They're insecure.

01:50:47.000 They've never been checked.

01:50:48.000 It's also when people are constantly criticizing people and constantly judging people and constantly insulting people, that is a way to avoid self-analysis.

01:51:00.000 And it's a way you're comparing yourself, whether you like it or not, to that person.

01:51:04.000 And instead of self-reflection, you're just shitting on that person.

01:51:08.000 You're projecting.

01:51:09.000 When guys are talking shit to Jon Jones, It's like you're giving a finger to the lion.

01:51:15.000 You see the lion in the cage, like, you're in a fucking cage, faggot!

01:51:19.000 That's what it's like.

01:51:20.000 It's like they can't do anything because he can't get out of that cage because he doesn't know who you are because you have a fake Twitter name and you're hiding behind one of those little eggs.

01:51:29.000 You're not a real person.

01:51:31.000 And you can say all this crazy shit to him or to fill in the blank, any UFC fighter.

01:51:37.000 And I see it all the time.

01:51:38.000 I see it all the time.

01:51:39.000 It's crazy.

01:51:40.000 It's weird.

01:51:41.000 Let me put you in there with Jon Jones.

01:51:42.000 Oh my god.

01:51:43.000 With 16-ounce gloves, you're going to freak out.

01:51:45.000 Oh my god.

01:51:45.000 It's not even a real fight.

01:51:46.000 20-ounce gloves, you'll freak out.

01:51:48.000 You're not even going to make it in.

01:51:49.000 Your legs are going to tramp.

01:51:51.000 You're going to collapse.

01:51:52.000 You're just staring down at the beginning when the referee is reading your instructions, just wetting your pants.

01:51:57.000 He's an interesting guy, man.

01:51:59.000 He's such an interesting guy.

01:52:00.000 He is.

01:52:01.000 I've worked with him in the past.

01:52:02.000 Yeah?

01:52:02.000 Yeah, but before he was a megastar.

01:52:04.000 Oh, no kidding.

01:52:05.000 When he was up in New York?

01:52:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:07.000 He used to come to TriStar and like, yeah.

01:52:10.000 I was the one who told me how to get out of New York.

01:52:12.000 Yeah?

01:52:13.000 Yeah.

01:52:14.000 We were smoking weed in a hotel room.

01:52:16.000 Really?

01:52:16.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 Well, I was telling him.

01:52:19.000 You've given some good advice, dude.

01:52:21.000 You know, it's one thing about being an observer, like being on the outside, but caring about those guys.

01:52:27.000 I like John a lot.

01:52:28.000 And I knew he was super talented.

01:52:31.000 And this was in the early days.

01:52:33.000 You know, he was like, when he's beating up Stefan Bonner.

01:52:35.000 I was like, listen, man.

01:52:36.000 I go, you got something.

01:52:38.000 I'm like, you gotta go to a real camp.

01:52:40.000 Because he was just so talented.

01:52:42.000 And, you know, he would train and...

01:52:44.000 He had such a strong wrestling background, but also so creative.

01:52:48.000 He would just do spinning elbows and shit, like practice stuff.

01:52:51.000 I'm like, dude, you gotta go somewhere.

01:52:53.000 You gotta find a place.

01:52:55.000 And he eventually wound up going to Jackson's.

01:52:58.000 But he could have gone anywhere.

01:53:00.000 I mean, he could have gone to you.

01:53:01.000 He could have gone to a lot of different places.

01:53:03.000 What a unique talent that guy is.

01:53:05.000 When you're 23 years old, you open up your first title fight with a flying knee against a legend like Shogun.

01:53:10.000 Opens up with a flying knee.

01:53:12.000 I'm like, what the fuck?

01:53:14.000 Yeah.

01:53:15.000 Certain guys, that's the interesting thing about the UFC style of sort of throwing fighters to the wolves.

01:53:24.000 Because the UFC, unlike boxing, in boxing they take a guy and they'll slowly work him through the ranks of journeymen and they give him different looks.

01:53:37.000 This guy likes to fight inside, let's see how he handles that.

01:53:40.000 And then they eventually get him to the point where he's 15-0, 16-0, they get him in there with a contender, and they calculate risk versus reward.

01:53:48.000 With the UFC, man, you could have, you know, you could have like two fights, and, you know, Usman needs a fight, and they'll throw you in there.

01:53:59.000 I like what boxing does.

01:54:01.000 They build up a guy.

01:54:01.000 Because the thing is, if you take two studs and you put them together, the crowd doesn't know that they're two studs.

01:54:07.000 They nullify each other, so they look like average fighters.

01:54:10.000 But they're not average fighters.

01:54:12.000 If you give them a 500 fighter, he'll eat them up.

01:54:15.000 And you're showing to the fans, look, this is a 500 fighter.

01:54:19.000 We're going to give that guy a chance to prove himself.

01:54:20.000 The 500 fighter thinks he's improved.

01:54:22.000 That's why he took the fight.

01:54:25.000 And this fighter is a young stud.

01:54:26.000 We think he's going to be a star.

01:54:28.000 These are fights to demonstrate that this guy's in a different league.

01:54:31.000 And then you have this other guy you had built up.

01:54:33.000 And when you put them together, there's an anticipation.

01:54:35.000 You sell out the crowd.

01:54:36.000 That's what boxing does.

01:54:37.000 And it's very intelligent in a way.

01:54:39.000 Because if you put Mayweather and De La Hoya early on, nobody knows how good they are.

01:54:42.000 Exactly.

01:54:43.000 They make each other look normal.

01:54:46.000 Right.

01:54:47.000 Yeah, you can certainly make an argument for that, but then again, there's the argument of the outlier, like Jon Jones, few fights into his UFC career, becomes the youngest champion of all time.

01:54:58.000 But he also has 300 plus wrestling matches.

01:55:00.000 He has a lot of experience.

01:55:01.000 Very true.

01:55:02.000 Very true.

01:55:02.000 And very important that people don't think about that as fights, but they're competitions at a high level with physicality.

01:55:09.000 Yeah.

01:55:10.000 There's definitely an argument for that.

01:55:12.000 And it's also, there's something about having the ability to stuff takedowns and then execute takedowns, which is such a, it evens things out in so many different ways.

01:55:24.000 Because you can always dictate where the fights take place.

01:55:27.000 And his reach.

01:55:28.000 Yeah.

01:55:28.000 Oh, he's got so many things.

01:55:29.000 The greatest reach in history of UFC. There's no longer reach ever.

01:55:32.000 Not just the greatest.

01:55:33.000 Well, I don't think so.

01:55:34.000 I think Sammy Schilt probably had a longer reach.

01:55:36.000 You're right.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:37.000 But also...

01:55:38.000 Today.

01:55:39.000 Well, what about Stefan Struve?

01:55:41.000 He had a longer reach.

01:55:42.000 Did he?

01:55:43.000 He's seven feet tall.

01:55:44.000 Is Struve's reach longer?

01:55:45.000 I'm not sure.

01:55:46.000 Struve's fucking ridiculous, bro.

01:55:48.000 Oh, you know what?

01:55:49.000 No, no.

01:55:50.000 I think John's the longest reach.

01:55:51.000 What?

01:55:52.000 I don't know.

01:55:52.000 I have to look it up.

01:55:53.000 How could John's reach be longer than Struve?

01:55:54.000 You know what it was?

01:55:55.000 I had read an article.

01:55:57.000 They were talking about the reach.

01:55:58.000 And they were saying that the reach is the deficit of your height and length.

01:56:03.000 So...

01:56:05.000 How much longer is your reach compared to your height?

01:56:08.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

01:56:08.000 They call it reach apex or something.

01:56:10.000 They have the same.

01:56:11.000 Really?

01:56:12.000 84 and a half inch.

01:56:13.000 Who's that?

01:56:13.000 Wow.

01:56:13.000 Stefan Struve and Jon Jones have the same.

01:56:16.000 That's crazy.

01:56:17.000 There you go.

01:56:18.000 Struve is seven feet tall.

01:56:20.000 Oh my god.

01:56:21.000 Well, John is the very best at utilizing that reach and just keeping guys on the outside.

01:56:27.000 He's very intelligent.

01:56:28.000 He's very creative and intelligent.

01:56:30.000 He knows what's going on in the fight all the way and he shifts his strategy as the fight goes on.

01:56:35.000 He's a very intelligent guy.

01:56:36.000 I'm really curious to see if Dominic Reyes can hang with him.

01:56:40.000 Very curious.

01:56:43.000 It depends which John Jones shows up.

01:56:46.000 I think he's very motivated for that fight.

01:56:47.000 He should be.

01:56:48.000 Well, I think he also realizes, like, look, he lost a lot of time fucking off and getting suspended and all the dumb shit that he did.

01:56:55.000 He has a chance.

01:56:56.000 He's still, right now, the number one pound for pound fighter in the world.

01:56:59.000 He's still the light heavyweight champion.

01:57:01.000 And if he moved up to heavyweight, he would be the number one contender.

01:57:04.000 He should fight heavyweight.

01:57:05.000 I think so, too.

01:57:06.000 Why hasn't he fought heavyweight?

01:57:08.000 I think he wants to clean out the division.

01:57:09.000 I think he has a couple fights at light heavyweight.

01:57:12.000 And I think now there's a real possibility that he might stick.

01:57:16.000 I think you've got Corey Anderson, who looked fantastic in his last fight.

01:57:21.000 You know, Johnny Walker, they were thinking was going to be the next guy for the title.

01:57:24.000 Corey starches him in the first round.

01:57:25.000 He's a guy I like to work with, Johnny Walker.

01:57:26.000 I think he needs more polishing.

01:57:30.000 Yes.

01:57:31.000 Oh, for sure.

01:57:32.000 He's got great talent.

01:57:33.000 Silly power.

01:57:34.000 Yes.

01:57:35.000 His power is crazy.

01:57:36.000 But he needs to...

01:57:37.000 No, he's a very big prospect.

01:57:40.000 Yes.

01:57:40.000 No, I agree.

01:57:41.000 He's a wild man, too.

01:57:42.000 But, you know, Corey found holes in his game.

01:57:45.000 Exactly.

01:57:45.000 Figured it out.

01:57:47.000 Corey is clearly one of the top contenders.

01:57:50.000 There's two guys that really stand out.

01:57:52.000 There's Corey Anderson and there's Dominic Reyes.

01:57:55.000 And Dominic with that knockout...

01:57:57.000 Over Chris Weidman.

01:57:59.000 Yeah.

01:57:59.000 Hard to watch for me.

01:58:00.000 I didn't like that fight for Chris.

01:58:02.000 I don't like him moving.

01:58:03.000 I think he's a 185 pound fighter.

01:58:05.000 I think he should stay there.

01:58:07.000 I think there's too few divisions, man.

01:58:09.000 Not a good fight to go to 205 for the first time.

01:58:12.000 No, terrible.

01:58:13.000 Very bad idea.

01:58:13.000 Terrible.

01:58:14.000 I liked him versus Rockhold at 205. That's interesting.

01:58:17.000 I don't know what happened there.

01:58:18.000 I think it was scheduled once upon a time.

01:58:20.000 Was it?

01:58:21.000 I think so too.

01:58:22.000 If they're going to fight those two, that's the fight to make.

01:58:24.000 Yeah, well, Rockhole's done.

01:58:26.000 I think he doesn't want to do it anymore.

01:58:27.000 He's going to have a jiu-jitsu match, though.

01:58:29.000 He's going to do some jiu-jitsu matches.

01:58:31.000 Who's he going against?

01:58:32.000 Is it Gordon?

01:58:34.000 Well, I think he's talked shit about Gordon.

01:58:37.000 I don't know if there's anything actually scheduled.

01:58:40.000 Won't go well for him.

01:58:42.000 It's his legs.

01:58:45.000 Legs could be in real trouble.

01:58:46.000 I've trained with Gordon a lot.

01:58:47.000 Yeah?

01:58:48.000 He may never walk again.

01:58:50.000 Like, you should be careful.

01:58:51.000 Like, I wouldn't talk shit to him, you know?

01:58:52.000 Yeah.

01:58:53.000 All those Donaher leg locks, especially, scare the fuck out of me, man.

01:58:57.000 Listen, if you're talking a lot, it might take a second or two longer to let go of the leg lock.

01:59:02.000 Yeah.

01:59:02.000 You know, you gotta be careful with that.

01:59:03.000 And you hear the cracking and popping of your ligaments and meniscus.

01:59:07.000 Like, my favorite grappling match of all time is Paul Harris versus Gary Tonin.

01:59:13.000 That was a great fight.

01:59:14.000 Pfft!

01:59:15.000 And Paul Harris was probably like 25 pounds heavier than him.

01:59:18.000 More.

01:59:18.000 How much heavier was he?

01:59:20.000 I don't know, but he came in overweight.

01:59:22.000 Did he?

01:59:23.000 You know, you got tested positive already.

01:59:24.000 Oh, for sure.

01:59:25.000 Now he's out of UFC. Gary tested positive from being in the same room as him.

01:59:30.000 That's how positive he is.

01:59:33.000 At one point he takes Gary and throws Gary.

01:59:35.000 Like literally just...

01:59:36.000 And it's like Gary just kind of rolls.

01:59:39.000 That's what jiu-jitsu is.

01:59:41.000 You know, just going with the flow of it all.

01:59:44.000 And you fought him to a draw.

01:59:45.000 And I thought, well, he got the better of him.

01:59:47.000 But the rules is there's no sub.

01:59:49.000 Right.

01:59:50.000 It's a draw.

01:59:50.000 But Gary, if there was no time limit, Gary's going to sub him.

01:59:53.000 He was gassing out.

01:59:54.000 You know, he was slowing down.

01:59:56.000 And Gary was just picking it up, picking it up on him.

01:59:58.000 And he was going to catch him.

02:00:00.000 Yeah.

02:00:01.000 Well, another great one is Cyborg versus Gordon Ryan, where Cyborg was a multiple-time jiu-jitsu champion, veteran of the game.

02:00:08.000 Gordon Ryan had only been doing jiu-jitsu like five years.

02:00:11.000 Yeah, times have changed.

02:00:12.000 Something crazy like that.

02:00:13.000 John Denahar has found a way to teach you jiu-jitsu in a nutshell.

02:00:20.000 He's just now the most efficient trainer in the history of jiu-jitsu.

02:00:23.000 Yes.

02:00:24.000 Gordon won double gold again.

02:00:26.000 Yeah.

02:00:27.000 And in stunning fashion, too.

02:00:29.000 And after knee surgery.

02:00:30.000 Yes.

02:00:31.000 Yeah.

02:00:32.000 John has created a new way.

02:00:34.000 The best jiu-jitsu place in the world today is New York, Hansel Gracie Academy.

02:00:38.000 The way that they're...

02:00:39.000 I'm telling you, the purple belts today are scary as hell.

02:00:42.000 Like, if you roll with their purple belts, like, he's a super seasoned black belt.

02:00:46.000 Like, I had one of my students, I promoted him to brown belt, and I got in a lot of trouble from John.

02:00:51.000 Because I took him from purple belt to brown belt, and that guy had subbed, my student had subbed, like, five black belts that year.

02:00:57.000 And I was like, okay, time for a brown belt.

02:00:58.000 And John's like, no, he's not good enough yet.

02:01:00.000 I'm like, okay.

02:01:01.000 But he set five black belts in competition, like real good black belts.

02:01:05.000 And he's like, so what?

02:01:06.000 You know, you just have a new standard now.

02:01:08.000 Their purple belts today at Hensel's John, it's a new standard.

02:01:13.000 These guys are so good.

02:01:14.000 It's scary, man.

02:01:15.000 You better know the leg lock.

02:01:16.000 Like I learned leg locks from them.

02:01:18.000 It's crazy too that it's in Manhattan where the price for rent is so goddamn high and they still have like a thousand students.

02:01:24.000 It's crazy.

02:01:25.000 If you go there and you're a stud, if you're a stud and you go in that practice room, you're a regular Joe.

02:01:31.000 I don't care if you're GSP. This is going to be a hard day.

02:01:37.000 And you better be nice.

02:01:38.000 You better be humble when you come in here.

02:01:40.000 I just sent Kevin Lee there.

02:01:44.000 I'm telling you, they're so good this generation.

02:01:46.000 The generation under me and George.

02:01:48.000 They're so good.

02:01:49.000 They got so good so fast.

02:01:50.000 And Eddie Cummings opened up his own place, right?

02:01:53.000 I think he's at another club.

02:01:55.000 I think he opened up his own place.

02:01:56.000 He was John's student.

02:01:58.000 I used to roll with Eddie back in the day.

02:02:00.000 He wasn't that great.

02:02:02.000 You could see he's a very intelligent guy.

02:02:05.000 Very.

02:02:05.000 And then all of a sudden he got super good.

02:02:07.000 Like I'm telling you, night and day.

02:02:08.000 Like I'd roll with him once and he was okay, you know.

02:02:10.000 Then I came back like six months later, a year later, and he's like freaking, he was unbelievable.

02:02:16.000 And John had just been developing these new, John's in there eight hours a day, man, figuring out little things.

02:02:20.000 Sleeping on the mat.

02:02:21.000 And teaching Eddie this, teaching Eddie.

02:02:23.000 And Eddie's not a freakishly athletic guy.

02:02:25.000 He's a good athlete, but not like, it's not his athleticism.

02:02:27.000 It's the technique, the skill.

02:02:29.000 Like he's catching me in things I don't even know what they are.

02:02:31.000 And that's what it is.

02:02:32.000 That's jujitsu.

02:02:33.000 Once they innovate something, you don't know what it is.

02:02:35.000 It's like you're getting caught in that.

02:02:37.000 And that's what John does.

02:02:39.000 He's innovating all sorts of things in the game that now his student who's a purple belt is better than that black belt over there.

02:02:45.000 They had one blue belt.

02:02:46.000 They promoted him at Abu Dhabi.

02:02:47.000 Purple belt.

02:02:49.000 He's a blue belt at Abu Dhabi.

02:02:50.000 He got on the podium and they gave him his purple belt.

02:02:52.000 I'm forgetting his name now.

02:02:53.000 It's Nick something.

02:02:55.000 Rodriguez?

02:02:56.000 Is it?

02:02:57.000 I can't remember.

02:02:57.000 He's new.

02:02:57.000 He's brand new on the circuit.

02:02:58.000 Big, strong guy.

02:03:00.000 I haven't even trained with him once yet.

02:03:01.000 I haven't gone to New York in a little bit.

02:03:03.000 I didn't go to Henzo's last time I was in New York.

02:03:06.000 Google Nick Rodriguez, Henzo Gracie.

02:03:08.000 He's like a heavyweight, right?

02:03:09.000 Yeah, he's a big boy.

02:03:11.000 Didn't he beat Cyborg?

02:03:13.000 Didn't he beat him by decision?

02:03:14.000 Yeah.

02:03:15.000 Did he beat him?

02:03:16.000 I'm not sure.

02:03:17.000 I think he did.

02:03:17.000 I think he was the one, now that I'm thinking of it, who they said was going to have a grappling match against...

02:03:24.000 Oh, Rockhold.

02:03:26.000 Rockhold.

02:03:26.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:03:27.000 I think that's what it is.

02:03:28.000 Yeah.

02:03:28.000 I think he beats Rockhold.

02:03:29.000 Wow.

02:03:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:03:30.000 I'm telling you, they're good, man.

02:03:31.000 They're good.

02:03:32.000 They're getting good so fast.

02:03:32.000 It's crazy.

02:03:33.000 Look at Nicky Ryan.

02:03:34.000 Yeah.

02:03:35.000 Listen, I love that kid.

02:03:37.000 When he was like 15, he came to my gym.

02:03:39.000 Now he's like, I don't know, 16, 17?

02:03:41.000 Rumors are true.

02:03:42.000 Meet the guy who won third at ADCC trials after just six months of training.

02:03:47.000 Also, freakishly strong guy.

02:03:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:03:50.000 Yeah.

02:03:51.000 Yes, yes, for sure.

02:03:51.000 Very good athlete.

02:03:52.000 Yeah, Nick Rodriguez.

02:03:53.000 There it is.

02:03:54.000 Six months.

02:03:55.000 That is just fucking ridiculous.

02:03:56.000 Yeah, I'm telling you, they're getting good so fast.

02:03:58.000 How does someone come in third place in Abu Dhabi with six months of training?

02:04:02.000 Like, what in the fuck, man?

02:04:03.000 Jonah has a system, though.

02:04:05.000 He was a model.

02:04:07.000 Then he started doing this, it says.

02:04:09.000 He was making money being on a fitness model or something.

02:04:11.000 Crazy.

02:04:12.000 But what does that mean these days?

02:04:14.000 Like, you could have an Instagram page where you stick your ass out.

02:04:17.000 He's in high school.

02:04:18.000 I don't know.

02:04:19.000 It's a dude doing it.

02:04:20.000 How old is he?

02:04:21.000 I think he's only like 19. I think he's really young.

02:04:25.000 Does it say?

02:04:26.000 It doesn't say his age.

02:04:27.000 Is he 19?

02:04:28.000 I think he's young.

02:04:29.000 Maybe he's 21 or something like that.

02:04:31.000 But I feel like he's pretty young.

02:04:34.000 I got to roll with Nicky Ryan.

02:04:35.000 And I've been doing his shit so longer than he's been alive, you know?

02:04:39.000 And he's so good.

02:04:41.000 Dude.

02:04:42.000 Yeah.

02:04:42.000 23. 23. Okay, I'm wrong.

02:04:44.000 He's so good.

02:04:46.000 It's ridiculous.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, man.

02:04:48.000 He's a really interesting guy, too, because his brother's so big.

02:04:51.000 And he's like, what is he, like 150 pounds or something like that?

02:04:54.000 No, a little more.

02:04:54.000 I would say 160, 165. He's not huge, but...

02:04:57.000 Yeah.

02:04:58.000 His brother's a goddamn gorilla, though.

02:04:59.000 Yeah.

02:05:00.000 That's a big fella.

02:05:01.000 And they're smart kids.

02:05:02.000 I mean, John schools them to be smart.

02:05:05.000 It's incredible.

02:05:06.000 Yeah.

02:05:06.000 And did they start out with him, with John?

02:05:08.000 Yes.

02:05:09.000 Well, actually, no.

02:05:10.000 I think they were in a neighboring school, but this is John's curriculum.

02:05:14.000 I have to be honest.

02:05:16.000 I've been in the practice room with them many times.

02:05:20.000 Everything they do is John, man.

02:05:22.000 I'm telling you.

02:05:24.000 There's not a movement in there that's not him.

02:05:26.000 He's incredible.

02:05:27.000 He's an incredible trainer.

02:05:28.000 He is incredible.

02:05:28.000 And how ironic is it?

02:05:30.000 What's going on here?

02:05:30.000 Oh, here it is.

02:05:31.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:05:31.000 Polaris 12. 103 kilogram catch weight.

02:05:36.000 What is that?

02:05:38.000 220?

02:05:40.000 210?

02:05:40.000 Is that what it is?

02:05:42.000 But it's 2.2.

02:05:44.000 Oh, that's soon.

02:05:45.000 Yeah.

02:05:46.000 4.3 times 2 is about 9, 10. 4.5 times 2 is 9. So Rockhold, when he fought at light heavyweight, I wonder how much weight he cut to get to 205. That's interesting, though.

02:06:00.000 30th of November.

02:06:01.000 Okay, that's real fucking soon, man.

02:06:02.000 A couple days.

02:06:03.000 A few days.

02:06:03.000 Yeah.

02:06:04.000 Oh, it's on UFC Fight Pass.

02:06:05.000 Oh, shit!

02:06:07.000 Sunday, I think.

02:06:08.000 Oh, shit!

02:06:09.000 You gotta watch it.

02:06:10.000 I'm definitely gonna watch it.

02:06:12.000 I'm gonna be in Hawaii.

02:06:13.000 Are you?

02:06:13.000 Yeah, man.

02:06:14.000 Cool.

02:06:16.000 There's gotta be a competitor.

02:06:20.000 Is there anybody that's close to putting out that kind of talent that quickly?

02:06:28.000 It seems like usually when someone comes along like that, then others rise as well.

02:06:35.000 It'll happen.

02:06:36.000 People will go down, see what he's doing, try to figure it out.

02:06:40.000 It's crazy that there's also a guy...

02:06:42.000 Look at these guys.

02:06:43.000 Jesus Christ.

02:06:44.000 There's Kevin.

02:06:45.000 There's Kevin, yeah.

02:06:46.000 Look at the size of Nicky Rodriguez.

02:06:47.000 This is a fucking huge fella.

02:06:50.000 But what's crazy is that John Donaher has his fucked up knee and a fucked up hip, and he's teaching people how to fuck people's knees up.

02:06:58.000 It's incredible.

02:06:59.000 Ironic.

02:07:00.000 Ironic.

02:07:01.000 It's poetic, but it is the case.

02:07:04.000 It's weird.

02:07:05.000 So back to Dominic Reyes and John Jones.

02:07:07.000 What do you think about that fight?

02:07:10.000 Depends which Jon Jones shows up.

02:07:12.000 Is he motivated to train?

02:07:14.000 Because if you underestimate Reyes, you're going to lose.

02:07:16.000 Because he's human, Jon.

02:07:17.000 Especially his last fight, we saw he's human.

02:07:21.000 Everybody obviously is, but he's got to take this guy seriously.

02:07:24.000 Because the thing is, you're undefeated, you have this allure to you, you can't be beaten, and all of a sudden somebody beats you.

02:07:28.000 How many times have we seen that?

02:07:30.000 Like the Ronda Rousey fight.

02:07:31.000 One day it's going to happen to you.

02:07:33.000 And that's one thing I think that made George great because George was always scared of that day.

02:07:37.000 And I used to always put it in his ear.

02:07:39.000 Oh, look at this champ.

02:07:40.000 Everybody thought he was undefeated.

02:07:42.000 Then he lost.

02:07:42.000 Like, we'd always talk about these things.

02:07:44.000 And that day is always around the corner.

02:07:46.000 You got to get up before that day comes because that day, it's going to happen.

02:07:49.000 Everybody has an expiry date.

02:07:51.000 And I feel like, you know, Reyes is a serious contender.

02:07:55.000 He really is.

02:07:56.000 And he's got lightning fast hands.

02:07:58.000 That counter punch that he knocked out Weidman with, like holy shit.

02:08:03.000 And finishes him on the ground with hammer fists.

02:08:05.000 But I was saying that I just think there should be more weight classes.

02:08:08.000 I really do.

02:08:09.000 I think the jump between 85 and 205 is just too giant.

02:08:12.000 20 pounds is so much weight.

02:08:13.000 I would love to see lightweight, super lightweight.

02:08:16.000 Welterweight, super welterweight.

02:08:18.000 There's going to be so many interesting fights.

02:08:21.000 I think it should be every 10 pounds.

02:08:23.000 I mean, I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

02:08:25.000 In boxing, it varies, sometimes 4, 7, it depends on the weight class, but I don't think there's anything wrong with having a 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, and do it like that.

02:08:37.000 Yeah, and let guys fight in different divisions.

02:08:38.000 I can fight two divisions.

02:08:39.000 I can sign for two divisions.

02:08:40.000 Why not?

02:08:41.000 There's going to be so many great fights to make.

02:08:44.000 I think they have this idea that there'll be too many champions, but I just completely disagree.

02:08:48.000 So what?

02:08:49.000 They just made a belt for the baddest motherfucker in the world.

02:08:52.000 They needed another title fight for that card.

02:08:54.000 Yes!

02:08:54.000 You can't get these two champions to agree.

02:08:56.000 They both have a title.

02:08:57.000 Yeah.

02:08:57.000 Because originally it was supposed to be Usman and Colby, if I remember correctly.

02:09:01.000 Yeah.

02:09:01.000 You can't get them to agree for whatever reason.

02:09:03.000 Well, we're going to have this other title fight.

02:09:05.000 You have to have a title fight in New York.

02:09:07.000 Yes.

02:09:07.000 It has to be a good one.

02:09:08.000 Trump is coming.

02:09:09.000 You know, you got to have something really amazing.

02:09:11.000 Yeah.

02:09:12.000 Trump is coming!

02:09:13.000 You do.

02:09:13.000 You can't have like a regular three-round fight.

02:09:16.000 Yeah, true.

02:09:17.000 Trump is coming.

02:09:18.000 You gotta have something, you know.

02:09:20.000 Yeah.

02:09:21.000 Trump is coming.

02:09:21.000 We need a title fight.

02:09:22.000 You need something special.

02:09:24.000 It's New York City, man.

02:09:26.000 It's New York City.

02:09:27.000 That's the thing.

02:09:27.000 It's like when you're in Madison Square Garden, it's not just the fights.

02:09:31.000 It's where you are.

02:09:31.000 It's history.

02:09:32.000 Yeah.

02:09:33.000 You gotta bring your A-game, you know.

02:09:34.000 You gotta make it something legendary.

02:09:35.000 You gotta make it something historical.

02:09:37.000 That's true.

02:09:38.000 Yeah, you're in the most iconic arena in combat sports history and that's the spot.

02:09:42.000 That place has been around forever.

02:09:44.000 It feels different when you're in there too.

02:09:45.000 It really does.

02:09:47.000 So for Kevin to win that fight by head kick KO and come back and do it in Madison Square, how happy were you, man?

02:09:54.000 Oh man, I was super happy.

02:09:56.000 You're happy just thinking about it.

02:09:58.000 Everybody thought he was going to miss weight.

02:10:00.000 Everybody thought he was going to lose.

02:10:01.000 Everybody picked Gregor.

02:10:02.000 Dangerous fight.

02:10:02.000 Yeah, it's a very dangerous fight.

02:10:04.000 Gregor was undefeated.

02:10:05.000 Phenomenal wrestler.

02:10:06.000 During that camp, the last two weeks, Kevin pops his ankle.

02:10:10.000 Did he really?

02:10:10.000 Yeah.

02:10:11.000 Really badly.

02:10:12.000 So I was like, oh man, the fights might be off.

02:10:14.000 It was really bad.

02:10:16.000 Then the next day he comes in limping in.

02:10:18.000 He's like, I'm going to keep training.

02:10:19.000 I'm like, whoa, man.

02:10:20.000 He's really limping.

02:10:21.000 That Friday he sparred again, but I told him, you've got to put on an ankle brace.

02:10:26.000 Because it was really bad.

02:10:27.000 Then he hurts himself again Friday.

02:10:29.000 Same ankle?

02:10:30.000 Same ankle, same injury.

02:10:31.000 The injury was still really, really bad.

02:10:35.000 He shouldn't have been sparring, but I couldn't stop him.

02:10:37.000 He really wanted to keep training.

02:10:38.000 Wow.

02:10:39.000 I was like, maybe you should take Friday off.

02:10:40.000 No, no, no, coach, I'm okay.

02:10:41.000 He told me, don't worry, I don't feel anything.

02:10:42.000 I see him limping around.

02:10:43.000 He's like, I'll warm up, I'll be okay.

02:10:45.000 He's a very tough kid.

02:10:46.000 And look, this is what it takes sometimes.

02:10:48.000 You want to win a big fight, you have to work through these kind of things.

02:10:51.000 And he hurts himself a second time.

02:10:53.000 I'm like, you know, this is tough.

02:10:55.000 And PI, the Performance Institute, helped him a lot.

02:10:59.000 They checked it.

02:11:00.000 They said it's still, you know, it's mechanically sound.

02:11:03.000 It's just kind of like no key ligaments are broken or anything like that.

02:11:06.000 And he ended up winning with a head kick with that bad ankle.

02:11:09.000 Oh, wow.

02:11:09.000 Yeah, that was his bad ankle.

02:11:11.000 But it was a scary injury we had in practice.

02:11:13.000 You know how it is in practice.

02:11:14.000 Sometimes you can be as safe as you want to be.

02:11:18.000 But, I mean, fighters, when they get in there, a lot of times they're already injured.

02:11:22.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:23.000 You're not 100% when you're in there.

02:11:25.000 You got a wrist, you got a neck, you got something.

02:11:27.000 But this one was really bad.

02:11:29.000 This was really bad.

02:11:30.000 He's like, no, listen, I made the decision.

02:11:32.000 I'm going to go through with it.

02:11:33.000 I'm like, okay.

02:11:33.000 So what was your week of the fight?

02:11:35.000 He was a lot better by then, but still I was worried about it.

02:11:38.000 Because it's not as stable as it should be.

02:11:40.000 Oh, wow.

02:11:41.000 Did you tape it up or anything?

02:11:42.000 No, I don't think we're allowed.

02:11:43.000 I asked, and we're not allowed to tape.

02:11:44.000 Why can you not tape?

02:11:46.000 I don't know.

02:11:46.000 But you could tape your wrists?

02:11:48.000 The gauze and all that, yeah.

02:11:50.000 How come you can't tape your ankle?

02:11:51.000 I don't know.

02:11:52.000 That doesn't make any fucking sense.

02:11:54.000 There's so many goofy rules, man.

02:11:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:11:56.000 I wonder why.

02:11:57.000 You remember when Sakurabi used to fight?

02:11:59.000 Yeah, with his knee.

02:12:00.000 His knees were like mummified.

02:12:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:12:02.000 They were covered halfway up his thigh, all the way down his calf.

02:12:06.000 He used to have the most crazy knee wraps ever.

02:12:08.000 Mm-hmm.

02:12:09.000 I mean, and Sakuraba was a leg lock specialist too.

02:12:12.000 He probably mangled his knees in training.

02:12:15.000 And all the fights and all the training.

02:12:16.000 I heard he smokes and drinks before practice.

02:12:18.000 Smokes!

02:12:19.000 And drinks!

02:12:19.000 Before practice.

02:12:20.000 Yes!

02:12:21.000 He didn't give a fuck.

02:12:21.000 Cigarettes.

02:12:22.000 Do you remember when he fought Conan Silvera and they made him fight again?

02:12:26.000 He fought twice in the same day.

02:12:28.000 They fought.

02:12:29.000 John McCarthy stopped the fight.

02:12:31.000 Conan hit him with an uppercut.

02:12:33.000 And Sakuraba jumped down, grabbed a hold of an ankle, was fighting for a takedown.

02:12:38.000 And John had already stopped the fight.

02:12:39.000 Because he thought that...

02:12:40.000 He thought Sakuraba went out.

02:12:42.000 So they're in Japan.

02:12:43.000 Everybody goes crazy.

02:12:45.000 This was the same year, this is the same fight, where Frank Shamrock submitted Kevin Jackson.

02:12:51.000 Remember?

02:12:52.000 Oh, yeah, the armbar.

02:12:53.000 Remember that?

02:12:53.000 Beautiful armbar with shoes on.

02:12:55.000 The fastest armbar in history of armbars.

02:12:57.000 Was it?

02:12:57.000 I don't know.

02:12:58.000 One of them.

02:12:59.000 As soon as he took him down, armbar.

02:13:01.000 Boom, armbar, yeah.

02:13:02.000 So he fights again!

02:13:04.000 And then submits Conan.

02:13:06.000 They come out of the luck room.

02:13:07.000 Then they fought again, like one fight later.

02:13:09.000 And so when they fight again, Sakuraba gets him in an armbar and makes him tap.

02:13:14.000 And we're like, what?

02:13:15.000 A Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt tapped?

02:13:17.000 Like, no one thought that Conan would tap.

02:13:19.000 Like, this is crazy.

02:13:21.000 Sakuraba was so special.

02:13:23.000 Oh my god.

02:13:23.000 This generation that didn't get to watch him fight has to go back and look at those fights.

02:13:27.000 Oh, they have to go back.

02:13:28.000 There was something so special about him.

02:13:30.000 Yeah.

02:13:30.000 I don't know what it was.

02:13:31.000 And look, I love the Gracies and he was beating the Gracies and you couldn't help but like him.

02:13:35.000 You called him the Gracie Hunter, remember?

02:13:36.000 Yeah.

02:13:37.000 Remember when he broke Enzo's arm?

02:13:39.000 Yes, yes.

02:13:40.000 The Kimura.

02:13:40.000 Yep.

02:13:41.000 Kimura snapped his arm.

02:13:42.000 And Henzo was winning that fight.

02:13:43.000 Yeah.

02:13:44.000 It just came down to the last little exchange.

02:13:46.000 Well, in that scramble, Henzo's arm just was...

02:13:48.000 Look at that.

02:13:48.000 Oh, my God.

02:13:49.000 Oh, my God.

02:13:50.000 Look at that.

02:13:51.000 That is fucking nasty.

02:13:53.000 Enzo beat him after in Metamoras in a grappling match.

02:13:55.000 Oh, that's right.

02:13:56.000 And Halleck beat him in the MMA. Halleck Gracie went back to him.

02:13:59.000 Oh, that's right.

02:13:59.000 That was very gutsy of Halleck.

02:14:00.000 That's right.

02:14:01.000 He said, you know what?

02:14:01.000 I'm going to go fight this Gracie Hunter.

02:14:03.000 You know who dismantled him?

02:14:04.000 Who?

02:14:05.000 Mayhem Miller.

02:14:06.000 Really?

02:14:06.000 Mayhem Miller when he was in his prime.

02:14:09.000 When Mayhem Miller went over and fought in Pride when he was in his prime.

02:14:15.000 And when he was really a contender.

02:14:18.000 And he systematically broke Sakuraba down, beat the shit out of him, and submitted him.

02:14:22.000 He's a very tough guy.

02:14:23.000 He was fucking good, man, for a while.

02:14:26.000 Look at him there, throwing a peace sign up.

02:14:28.000 He was always a crazy guy.

02:14:30.000 Wow, he was always a crazy guy.

02:14:31.000 And then, you know, like, legit problems after that.

02:14:34.000 I imagine.

02:14:35.000 And then after the Bisping fight, you know, then he had even more legit problems.

02:14:39.000 But in that fight, man, he was on point.

02:14:41.000 He beat the fuck out of Sakuraba.

02:14:42.000 The scariest loss, though, that Sakuraba ever had, well...

02:14:46.000 There's three scary losses.

02:14:47.000 The two to Vandelay.

02:14:48.000 They were both terrifying.

02:14:50.000 He got really fucked up by Vandelay.

02:14:52.000 But then, Melvin Manhoff.

02:14:54.000 Melvin Manhoff beat the fuck out of him.

02:14:57.000 With soccer kicks on the ground and all that crazy shit.

02:15:00.000 Back when Melvin was Melvin.

02:15:02.000 Melvin, remember what that guy was built like?

02:15:04.000 Oh my goodness.

02:15:06.000 Like a superhero.

02:15:07.000 Didn't look like a real person.

02:15:08.000 I've seen him fight live.

02:15:09.000 The guy's a savage.

02:15:11.000 He's fast.

02:15:12.000 Remember when he knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch?

02:15:16.000 He was 185 pounds and he knocked out Mark Hunt with one fucking punch.

02:15:21.000 This was a kickboxing fight though, right?

02:15:22.000 Was it?

02:15:22.000 No, it was MMA. MMA? No.

02:15:24.000 Look at Melvin.

02:15:25.000 Jesus Christ.

02:15:26.000 He was coming with those gladiator shorts on.

02:15:28.000 Those gladiator frill shorts.

02:15:31.000 He fucked him up.

02:15:32.000 That's not Sakuraba though.

02:15:34.000 No.

02:15:34.000 That's someone else he's fighting.

02:15:36.000 The greatest fight, one of the greatest, the greatest comeback fight I've ever seen in my life was K1 Hero Sakuraba.

02:15:42.000 He's getting beat up by this Lithuanian guy.

02:15:43.000 I don't even know the guy's name.

02:15:45.000 And we're in Japan.

02:15:46.000 We're watching.

02:15:47.000 It's the main event.

02:15:49.000 Put this ahead to the actual fight here.

02:15:52.000 Back it up a little.

02:15:52.000 Back it up.

02:15:53.000 It's a real quick fight, man.

02:15:55.000 It happens in like...

02:15:55.000 No, no, no.

02:15:56.000 Go like where the K is.

02:15:58.000 See where it says 3.7X? 3.7K with a thumb up?

02:16:04.000 The first thumb up?

02:16:04.000 Go to that part.

02:16:06.000 Right there.

02:16:07.000 Bam.

02:16:07.000 Right there.

02:16:08.000 Click there.

02:16:09.000 Click there.

02:16:11.000 Yeah.

02:16:12.000 Well, it's right before it gets fighting.

02:16:14.000 They're right about to...

02:16:15.000 He's got a dog collar on.

02:16:16.000 Yeah, you bring him out on a leash, his coach.

02:16:18.000 Yeah.

02:16:18.000 He had a dog collar on.

02:16:20.000 He was at Mike's gym.

02:16:21.000 Oh, my goodness.

02:16:22.000 Yeah, scoot up.

02:16:22.000 Right there, good.

02:16:23.000 Right there, it's good.

02:16:24.000 When you see them...

02:16:25.000 So, they're fighting off.

02:16:26.000 And so, Mark Hunt charges at him.

02:16:28.000 And when Mark Hunt charges at him, Melvin just catches him while he's coming in.

02:16:32.000 So, they exchange a little bit here on the feet.

02:16:34.000 Just a little bit of moving around.

02:16:35.000 Mark Hunt's so much bigger than him, man.

02:16:37.000 Mark Hunt might be 100 pounds bigger than him.

02:16:39.000 No bullshit.

02:16:40.000 He easily could be 290. Easily.

02:16:43.000 And a tank.

02:16:44.000 Look at this.

02:16:44.000 Boom!

02:16:45.000 One shot.

02:16:46.000 I mean, come on, son.

02:16:48.000 Who the fuck knocks out Mark Hunt with one punch?

02:16:51.000 That's crazy.

02:16:52.000 That's crazy.

02:16:53.000 He was so fucking fast, man.

02:16:55.000 So fucking fast.

02:16:57.000 There's a K1 Heroes fight.

02:17:00.000 Sakuraba fights a Lithuanian guy.

02:17:03.000 An unknown guy.

02:17:04.000 And this guy is beating the hell out of Sakuraba.

02:17:07.000 Oh, I saw that fight!

02:17:08.000 He is beating...

02:17:09.000 I'm like, stop.

02:17:10.000 Terrifying.

02:17:10.000 Stop this fight.

02:17:11.000 And he's between the ropes and the Lithuanian guy is just...

02:17:15.000 And we're like...

02:17:17.000 And the Japanese people just believe in him so much.

02:17:20.000 They know he's going to make it out of there.

02:17:22.000 And he comes back to life.

02:17:26.000 We're like, what the?

02:17:28.000 And then he armrests this Lithuanian guy.

02:17:31.000 And then they throw up the confetti and everybody's like, the Japanese people just believe.

02:17:37.000 This is it.

02:17:38.000 I'm like, stop this fight.

02:17:39.000 I'm live here.

02:17:40.000 I'm in the stands.

02:17:42.000 I'm in the fight.

02:17:42.000 He's getting punched in the back of the head and everything.

02:17:45.000 Okay, stop the fight.

02:17:46.000 No, not going to stop the fight.

02:17:49.000 Crazy.

02:17:49.000 Wait a second.

02:17:50.000 Oh no, they want to bring him back in the ring.

02:17:51.000 Yep.

02:17:52.000 Oh, he's out of bounds.

02:17:53.000 Okay.

02:17:55.000 Yeah, he's punching him while the referee's got a hold of him.

02:17:59.000 Hammer fisted him.

02:18:00.000 This is one of the greatest comebacks I've ever seen in my life.

02:18:03.000 Yeah, it makes you think there's no way Sakuraba's going to survive here.

02:18:06.000 There's no way.

02:18:07.000 And he keeps moving and this guy keeps punching him.

02:18:10.000 Yeah, this is crazy.

02:18:12.000 And standing up too.

02:18:13.000 He was knocking him around.

02:18:14.000 And he's hammering the back of his head.

02:18:18.000 Sakuraba was just...

02:18:19.000 He had no quit in him.

02:18:21.000 You know?

02:18:21.000 Like, none.

02:18:22.000 And sometimes that was horrible to watch because he would wind up getting beat up.

02:18:27.000 Look at his leg.

02:18:28.000 Like, look at that fucking right leg.

02:18:30.000 How much is taped up.

02:18:31.000 It's crazy.

02:18:33.000 This guy's holding the fence too.

02:18:36.000 Yep.

02:18:36.000 Yeah.

02:18:37.000 So eventually gets him down.

02:18:39.000 Scoot up a little bit there, Jamie.

02:18:42.000 Yeah.

02:18:43.000 This is a beating.

02:18:44.000 It does.

02:18:45.000 This is a beating.

02:18:46.000 This is a beating.

02:18:47.000 And the Lithuanian guy beats him up standing too.

02:18:49.000 Yeah, he blew his wad.

02:18:50.000 Yeah, he got exhausted.

02:18:51.000 He got too tired here.

02:18:55.000 And eventually Sakura catches him.

02:18:56.000 Look at these uppercuts.

02:18:57.000 The audience is going nuts.

02:18:58.000 The crowd was going berserk.

02:19:02.000 Berserk.

02:19:04.000 the crowd was losing it at this point yeah they believe in him so much when he lost the first time he was like oh look i'm happy now that the weight is off my shoulders you know the japanese people now they know i can lose and like he had too much pressure on him they always expect him to win scoot ahead oh there it is say mounts him incredible that's how he finished konan too same same move yeah incredible Yeah.

02:19:32.000 There's another great come from behind with Melvin when Melvin fought Robbie Lawler.

02:19:36.000 You remember that fight?

02:19:37.000 Oh my god.

02:19:37.000 That's one of the greatest fights ever.

02:19:39.000 That's one of the greatest fights ever.

02:19:40.000 Melvin was fucking Robbie Lawler's legs up and then Robbie Lawler hit him with a hay maker.

02:19:45.000 This is one of the most legendary.

02:19:47.000 And Cyborg.

02:19:48.000 When he fought Cyborg.

02:19:49.000 Melvin.

02:19:49.000 Remember this one?

02:19:50.000 Yes.

02:19:52.000 Yes.

02:19:52.000 Yeah.

02:19:52.000 That was horrendous too.

02:19:54.000 I think the craziest knockout I ever saw was Michael Venom Page versus Cyborg when he caved his head in.

02:19:59.000 Oh my god.

02:19:59.000 That was horrific.

02:20:00.000 Yeah.

02:20:00.000 In all the years I've seen fights, I've never seen a guy get his head literally caved in from a knee.

02:20:06.000 You know what?

02:20:06.000 When you knock a guy out like that, you don't dance.

02:20:09.000 I feel like after Kevin knocked out Gillespie, I told him to take a knee.

02:20:13.000 This kid's still down.

02:20:14.000 Down for a long time.

02:20:15.000 Yeah, he took a knee.

02:20:16.000 You have to respect the guy.

02:20:18.000 We don't know.

02:20:18.000 If the guy is revived, okay, I understand.

02:20:20.000 You want to celebrate.

02:20:21.000 I get it.

02:20:21.000 But sometimes you know, like, this guy's injured.

02:20:24.000 I don't think anybody thought that he was going to be injured like that, though.

02:20:27.000 I've never seen a guy's forehead crushed.

02:20:29.000 But when he went down, he wasn't right.

02:20:31.000 No.

02:20:32.000 Like, you could tell.

02:20:33.000 Well, the other thing was Cyborg was saying, like, he wants to fight again in three months.

02:20:37.000 And they're like, hey, dude.

02:20:38.000 He doesn't know where he is.

02:20:39.000 Yeah.

02:20:40.000 He doesn't know where he is.

02:20:41.000 No, like a couple weeks later.

02:20:42.000 Yeah.

02:20:43.000 Probably still, right?

02:20:45.000 He's got so many demons in his mind after that, he doesn't know what's going on.

02:20:49.000 Yeah, right?

02:20:50.000 I mean, remember the x-ray?

02:20:53.000 It's like you see it and you go, oh no.

02:20:55.000 Oh man.

02:20:57.000 It's hard when your face gets broken like that.

02:21:03.000 There's got to be some head.

02:21:07.000 Like Sage.

02:21:08.000 Sage fought Cosmo Alexander, which is another ridiculous fight.

02:21:12.000 That was hard for me to watch.

02:21:13.000 Very hard.

02:21:15.000 Because I like the kid.

02:21:16.000 He's a really good kid, Sage.

02:21:17.000 Yeah, a really good kid.

02:21:18.000 But doesn't belong in a ring with Cosmo.

02:21:20.000 No, not yet.

02:21:21.000 That's the honest truth.

02:21:22.000 Yeah, not yet.

02:21:22.000 Especially in a ring, like a tight...

02:21:25.000 I like karate in a big 30-foot octagon.

02:21:27.000 I like karate.

02:21:28.000 You got the room to breathe here.

02:21:29.000 In a small ring, it's harder to do karate.

02:21:32.000 It's just harder.

02:21:33.000 Well, also, Cosmo is a world champion.

02:21:35.000 Oh, my goodness.

02:21:35.000 The guy's a killer.

02:21:36.000 The guy's a killer.

02:21:38.000 Seasoned striker, and he's quite a bit bigger.

02:21:40.000 Too much experience.

02:21:41.000 Too fast, too soon.

02:21:42.000 Yeah.

02:21:43.000 Too fast, too soon.

02:21:43.000 What's the harm of going a little bit lower?

02:21:45.000 Much lower than that.

02:21:46.000 I'd rather have gone to a fight that I could have done more.

02:21:50.000 I could have beat a better guy than going to a fight where this guy was way too much for me.

02:21:53.000 Let me just go up slowly and see how far I can go and then challenge myself where it makes sense.

02:22:00.000 That fight, to me, doesn't make sense.

02:22:01.000 Yeah, but that's another one.

02:22:03.000 Like, his face was broken in so many different places.

02:22:05.000 Now they've got to put his face back together.

02:22:07.000 Yeah, that could be a fight ending.

02:22:09.000 Like, your career could be over.

02:22:11.000 Like, fighting career.

02:22:11.000 Yes.

02:22:12.000 It could be over.

02:22:12.000 Never fight again.

02:22:14.000 He's going to go back to 155. He said, I learned my lesson.

02:22:17.000 Okay.

02:22:18.000 But you know what?

02:22:19.000 I don't like injuries like that.

02:22:21.000 He was in surgery for like 18 hours or something like that.

02:22:23.000 I mean, this is too much.

02:22:24.000 You miscalculate it here.

02:22:27.000 It can happen to anybody, but at least if I had done it in my weight class against somebody on my level and it just happened, okay, fine.

02:22:33.000 But that's a horrific one.

02:22:36.000 What do you think about 1FC's desire to stop weight cutting?

02:22:40.000 Oh, I love this idea.

02:22:41.000 I do as well.

02:22:42.000 What's weight cutting?

02:22:43.000 What does that mean?

02:22:44.000 It's cheating.

02:22:44.000 What is it?

02:22:45.000 Sanctioned cheating.

02:22:46.000 We have to weigh the same.

02:22:47.000 We fight each other.

02:22:48.000 Why do we have to go through a weight cut?

02:22:49.000 Right.

02:22:50.000 Why are you pretending that you weigh less than you weigh?

02:22:52.000 Yeah.

02:22:53.000 You weigh 170 for 15 minutes.

02:22:55.000 Exactly.

02:22:55.000 The weigh-in is about, we want two guys of the same size to fight each other.

02:22:59.000 Yeah.

02:22:59.000 And now guys found their way around the rules.

02:23:02.000 And now everybody has to do it because otherwise...

02:23:04.000 It's nuts.

02:23:05.000 Yeah.

02:23:05.000 It's nuts.

02:23:06.000 But when Kevin went up to 170, it just didn't seem right for him.

02:23:11.000 Those guys...

02:23:12.000 No.

02:23:12.000 They're naturally bigger.

02:23:13.000 Yeah.

02:23:14.000 And they're doing the same thing that he was doing to get to 155, but now he's not doing that thing anymore.

02:23:20.000 And it also seemed like he got tired, but also he wasn't with you.

02:23:24.000 I really believe this, and this is one of the things that I said to him.

02:23:27.000 You need a maestro.

02:23:29.000 You need a conductor.

02:23:30.000 You need someone that's an honest assessor.

02:23:35.000 Someone who can look at your overall game, figure out what you're doing, find the flaws, be honest with you, and then tell you when to ramp it up and when to slow it down.

02:23:47.000 And as someone who's been there...

02:23:49.000 Yeah.

02:23:50.000 If you don't have that, man.

02:23:51.000 It's just so hard to do all that shit by yourself.

02:23:54.000 There's so many things to think about.

02:23:55.000 There's so much to think about.

02:23:58.000 Too much almost, right?

02:23:59.000 Yeah.

02:24:00.000 And everybody has an opinion.

02:24:02.000 So I always tell people, okay, show me.

02:24:04.000 Just get in the ring and show me your opinion is correct.

02:24:06.000 I'll change my opinion if you could show me.

02:24:08.000 So that's why, like, sometimes I work with trainers and they have these crazy ideas.

02:24:12.000 I just tell them, okay, train some young kid.

02:24:14.000 I have these young kids.

02:24:14.000 Train them.

02:24:15.000 Show me your philosophy.

02:24:16.000 I get trainers all the time that want to show me something.

02:24:19.000 And I always entertain them.

02:24:20.000 Always.

02:24:21.000 Always.

02:24:22.000 Come show me.

02:24:22.000 Do a demonstration.

02:24:23.000 But it can't be theoretical.

02:24:25.000 Like one time I had this guy who had this way of making me stronger through like a physical therapy.

02:24:31.000 So I said, okay, let me do my max set of pull-ups.

02:24:34.000 And we did like 15 or something.

02:24:37.000 And then we did his treatment and I went back to the pull-up bar and I did 15. I wasn't stronger.

02:24:42.000 I wanted to test this theory.

02:24:44.000 It didn't make me stronger.

02:24:46.000 I'm just as strong as I was before.

02:24:48.000 There's a lot of those physical therapy guys.

02:24:51.000 I'm doing some nerve activation.

02:24:53.000 There's something I'm doing.

02:24:55.000 I'm going to dig into your scapula with my knuckles and it's going to...

02:24:59.000 But, listen, I like to entertain them.

02:25:02.000 Who knows?

02:25:02.000 Maybe the guy might know something.

02:25:04.000 Well, what's interesting is sometimes the placebo effect catches on and they'll work with one fighter and the fighter will go, dude, the guy fixed my neck.

02:25:11.000 Yes.

02:25:12.000 And the other guy's like, really?

02:25:13.000 He fixed your neck?

02:25:13.000 And then all of a sudden.

02:25:14.000 And the next thing you know, this guy's got a business going.

02:25:16.000 Yeah.

02:25:16.000 And he's, you know, standing on people's backs.

02:25:18.000 Oh, God.

02:25:18.000 Doing voodoo.

02:25:20.000 Trust me, I've seen this too.

02:25:21.000 I've seen it!

02:25:22.000 Oh, man, I've seen it.

02:25:23.000 I don't want to say names, but I've seen it, man.

02:25:24.000 I don't want to say names either, but I've seen a lot of it.

02:25:26.000 And there's one guy that was going through a bunch of different fighters, and I went and did it with him, and I was like, what are you doing?

02:25:32.000 And this is after 15, 20 minutes of questioning, right?

02:25:36.000 So I'm asking him all these questions.

02:25:37.000 He basically said, well, you know how the placebo effect works, right?

02:25:40.000 And I said, well, it works because you think it works, right?

02:25:42.000 He goes, yes.

02:25:43.000 He goes, the same thing.

02:25:44.000 I go, so it doesn't work?

02:25:46.000 He goes, no, it does work if you believe in it.

02:25:48.000 I go, so you're saying that you're bullshitting, but if they believe you're bullshit, then it's real.

02:25:54.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:25:56.000 I trapped him with this long conversation about this.

02:25:59.000 I wouldn't let it go.

02:26:00.000 I was like, I want to know what you're doing.

02:26:01.000 You tell me what you're doing.

02:26:03.000 You're just fucking pushing on people's back and pretending you're fixing their eyesight.

02:26:08.000 This is fucking crazy.

02:26:09.000 It's nuts.

02:26:10.000 But there's a lot of that out there because fighters want any kind of edge, whether it's cupping or acupuncture.

02:26:15.000 Bro, once I started doing Thai massage, my game changed.

02:26:18.000 And if you believe your game changes, sometimes your game does change, you know?

02:26:24.000 You got to test, measure, retest.

02:26:26.000 There's no measuring.

02:26:27.000 Yes.

02:26:28.000 It's like, you know that Game Changers documentary?

02:26:31.000 Mm-hmm.

02:26:31.000 The guy's doing the battle ropes now one hour.

02:26:33.000 Right.

02:26:34.000 We ate carrots.

02:26:36.000 Yeah, you went from eight minutes to an hour.

02:26:38.000 You know why people stop after eight minutes?

02:26:39.000 Because they're bored of doing battle rope for longer than eight minutes.

02:26:41.000 Who does battle rope for more than eight minutes?

02:26:44.000 That's just crazy.

02:26:45.000 If I tell you, Joe, you got to do battle rope for an hour and I'll give you a million bucks, I guarantee you're going to do battle rope for an hour.

02:26:54.000 You could slow down the pace.

02:26:55.000 It's not measured.

02:26:56.000 It's not measured.

02:26:57.000 If I put you on a treadmill and you tell me, look...

02:26:59.000 I can do 12 miles an hour for one hour.

02:27:02.000 I'll be like, on an incline, I'll be like, wow, that's measurable.

02:27:07.000 Battle rope, you can slow down.

02:27:09.000 You can relax your muscles.

02:27:11.000 You're not putting as much wattage out.

02:27:13.000 The reason why you went for an hour is because we're not measuring how much output you're doing.

02:27:18.000 You can.

02:27:19.000 There's a reward for going an hour.

02:27:21.000 You're doing a documentary.

02:27:22.000 There's all these things that are not controlled.

02:27:25.000 There's so much of that in training.

02:27:27.000 There's just so much of that.

02:27:28.000 Everything, there's a voodoo thing out there.

02:27:30.000 Yeah.

02:27:30.000 And you're playing with your career too.

02:27:34.000 You know, you got to be careful with the voodoo stuff.

02:27:35.000 You have to be very, very careful.

02:27:36.000 But the thing is also you got to be open-minded because sometimes people do find real things that actually work.

02:27:41.000 I'm not talking about like massage and stuff like that.

02:27:43.000 I haven't seen it.

02:27:43.000 Meditation.

02:27:45.000 Yeah, visualization.

02:27:46.000 I believe these things can make a difference.

02:27:47.000 But there's also a lot of concrete evidence on these.

02:27:50.000 Yes.

02:27:50.000 A lot of concrete evidence.

02:27:51.000 Especially meditation and visualization.

02:27:53.000 Visualization, there's actually evidence that sometimes it's as effective or more effective than actual training in certain sports.

02:28:00.000 They think about one specific type of motion, like throwing a baseball or something like that, and you could argue that if you just really visualize throwing that baseball over and over again, and then get motivated and maybe even allow your muscles to heal so you're not throwing the ball as much, but you understand the motion better.

02:28:16.000 Because there's also like the...

02:28:18.000 There's a point of diminishing returns where you're training too much so your body breaks down but yet you still think about it and you want to do it and then you go overboard and then your tissue doesn't recover in time and then you train again and you're in a compromised state whereas if you trained less but visualized the extra time.

02:28:38.000 Have you ever heard of Leni Basham?

02:28:41.000 I don't know.

02:28:42.000 Why does it sound familiar?

02:28:43.000 He's a, what do you call it?

02:28:45.000 A ski shooting champion.

02:28:46.000 Gold medalist, silver and gold.

02:28:48.000 And his son is also a world champion.

02:28:49.000 And he has a whole system on how to train.

02:28:52.000 And he does a lot.

02:28:52.000 He's super heavy on visualization.

02:28:54.000 Like mega heavy.

02:28:56.000 And he used to train six hours a day visually.

02:28:58.000 Whoa.

02:28:59.000 Yeah, like an extreme experiment.

02:29:01.000 And he went from silver to gold.

02:29:03.000 Like he's a very fascinating guy.

02:29:05.000 He has a whole system.

02:29:06.000 He wrote a great book called With Winning in Mind.

02:29:09.000 One of the best books in the game.

02:29:10.000 Oh, I'm going to write that down.

02:29:12.000 With winning in mind.

02:29:13.000 Yeah.

02:29:13.000 And it's all about visualizing?

02:29:15.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:29:16.000 That's crazy.

02:29:16.000 It's his journey.

02:29:17.000 He basically talks about how everybody has a self-image and you live up to your self-image.

02:29:24.000 So he has this thing where let's say he does something good in practice.

02:29:27.000 Let's say you landed a good throw in practice or a submission.

02:29:30.000 He would tell himself, he'll give him a cue, that's me.

02:29:33.000 That's me.

02:29:34.000 If he did something wrong in practice, he would visualize him doing it right.

02:29:37.000 And he'd be like, that's me.

02:29:38.000 So he's building his self-image.

02:29:41.000 So then he says, guys, when they're under the lights, the guys who screw up, the guys who choke, is because they couldn't visualize themselves as a winner.

02:29:51.000 But he's not talking about visualizing yourself raising your hand.

02:29:54.000 He's talking about visualizing the process of winning.

02:29:57.000 Like actually doing every step so that you're telling your subconscious mind this is where you're going.

02:30:02.000 He has a very interesting system and I think it makes a lot of sense because guys who relive the bad in practice, those are the guys who are going to screw up again.

02:30:13.000 How do you spell his name?

02:30:14.000 Lainey Basham.

02:30:15.000 It's B-A-S-E-H. S-S-H-A-M. S-S? S-S-H-A-M? Yeah.

02:30:24.000 And how do you spell his first name?

02:30:25.000 Lainey?

02:30:25.000 Lainey.

02:30:26.000 Lainey?

02:30:28.000 Yeah, this guy's awesome.

02:30:29.000 L-A-N-N-Y. Wow, what a crazy name.

02:30:31.000 Yeah.

02:30:32.000 Lanny Bassham.

02:30:35.000 That's a good way to remember him.

02:30:36.000 L-A-N-N-Y. All right, man.

02:30:38.000 You know what?

02:30:39.000 When I go on vacation, I might get that book and put it on the Kindle.

02:30:43.000 Yeah, you can get the audio, too.

02:30:44.000 Oh!

02:30:45.000 It's got audio.

02:30:46.000 That's interesting.

02:30:46.000 Yeah.

02:30:47.000 I like that, man.

02:30:48.000 I like...

02:30:50.000 Because visualization, particularly...

02:30:52.000 Have you visualized in the isolation tank before?

02:30:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:30:55.000 That's my favorite.

02:30:56.000 That's like visualization squared.

02:30:59.000 Because you can imagine yourself going through movements.

02:31:02.000 You can see them, you know, and without...

02:31:04.000 When your body's just floating around in there, you have more access to resources.

02:31:07.000 Your brain sort of works better.

02:31:09.000 You can...

02:31:09.000 You can picture things better.

02:31:11.000 You lose what's real, what's dream, what's thought.

02:31:13.000 It's all real now.

02:31:15.000 Six hours a day pretending you're shooting shit.

02:31:18.000 And why I believe the system works is because not only was he champion, his son also went through his curriculum and he became a champion.

02:31:25.000 And shooting is a hard sport.

02:31:27.000 Oh yeah.

02:31:28.000 And it's a lot about getting everything lined up perfectly.

02:31:31.000 Squeezing the trigger at the right time.

02:31:33.000 Don't jerk the gun.

02:31:35.000 Follow the clay pigeon.

02:31:37.000 Knowing when to pull.

02:31:40.000 Yeah, it's very mental.

02:31:41.000 So many things are, man.

02:31:43.000 How much, when you're training young fighters, how much time do you spend with them talking to them about how to think?

02:31:50.000 I always tell fighters that far from the fight, it's 99% physical.

02:31:54.000 We have to go through the routine.

02:31:56.000 We have to drill.

02:31:57.000 We have to make these skills instinctual.

02:32:00.000 Closer we are to the fight, like the week of the fight, now it's 99% mental.

02:32:04.000 I can't train you no more.

02:32:05.000 I can't make you go back into recovery.

02:32:08.000 The fight's coming this week.

02:32:09.000 So as we get closer to the fight, it becomes more and more mental.

02:32:12.000 Do you tell them to stay off social media the week of the fight?

02:32:15.000 Some of them, that's how they let their energy go.

02:32:18.000 I know, but it's so nuts.

02:32:20.000 You see fighters three days out fighting with people on Twitter.

02:32:23.000 I'm like, what are you doing, man?

02:32:23.000 But some people are like that.

02:32:24.000 That's how they vent.

02:32:25.000 Me, I'm not like that.

02:32:26.000 Me, I'm like, you don't see me.

02:32:27.000 I have a YouTube channel, but everything else I don't do too much social media.

02:32:30.000 Smart.

02:32:31.000 But some people, the events, some people, they feel like it's how they connect.

02:32:34.000 I don't know if it's going to help them or hurt them, but I like them to be surrounded with their training partners before the fight.

02:32:41.000 Just training partners, like least amount of public as possible.

02:32:45.000 That's how I like to do it.

02:32:46.000 But if the guy feels comfortable with his wife and daughter, that's up to him.

02:32:50.000 But I feel like when you're going to war, I wouldn't bring my family to war.

02:32:53.000 That's how me and George used to look at it.

02:32:55.000 We're going to war.

02:32:56.000 Don't bring your family to your kids.

02:32:57.000 Who wants his kid?

02:32:58.000 I know some fighters do, but I wouldn't want my child in the arena when I'm fighting.

02:33:02.000 Right.

02:33:03.000 Because I'd be thinking about them.

02:33:04.000 Well, I remember watching the fight this weekend with Luis Ortiz and Wilder.

02:33:09.000 When you see Luis Ortiz's family sitting there watching, and then Wilder starches him.

02:33:16.000 Yeah.

02:33:16.000 Makes you think.

02:33:17.000 Yeah.

02:33:17.000 We can handle it.

02:33:18.000 The family, maybe they can't.

02:33:19.000 Right.

02:33:20.000 You know, maybe that kid now is scarred.

02:33:22.000 Right.

02:33:22.000 I've seen a guy walk his son to the fight.

02:33:24.000 Like walk.

02:33:26.000 Like a five-year-old.

02:33:27.000 Yeah.

02:33:27.000 Bring him to the...

02:33:28.000 This is like a local fight.

02:33:29.000 Bring him to the corner.

02:33:30.000 Like VIP seating.

02:33:31.000 He gets knocked out really bad.

02:33:33.000 This kid's five years old watching his dad like totally out.

02:33:35.000 Oh.

02:33:35.000 And people are cheering and shh.

02:33:37.000 It's like...

02:33:38.000 Yeah, why'd you bring your son here?

02:33:40.000 Like, we're not here to, you know, we're not here to play games.

02:33:43.000 It's also a distraction.

02:33:45.000 Yeah.

02:33:45.000 It's a distraction whether you like it or not.

02:33:47.000 You have to think about the kid.

02:33:48.000 You're holding the kid's hand.

02:33:49.000 It's ridiculous.

02:33:50.000 You know, and by the way, the universe doesn't give a fuck if you're holding your kid's hand.

02:33:53.000 If you didn't practice correctly and if you're not skilled enough, you're going to get hit.

02:33:57.000 Yeah.

02:33:58.000 Yeah, and if you're not as good as the person you're fighting, your kid's going to watch you get starched.

02:34:03.000 I think this is a very bad strategy.

02:34:06.000 It could be a child abuse too.

02:34:07.000 Just leave the kids.

02:34:08.000 This is not their arena.

02:34:09.000 This is not for them.

02:34:10.000 It can fuck a kid's head up.

02:34:11.000 Me, I don't let my kids watch fights where they know the people fighting.

02:34:15.000 Not live anyway.

02:34:16.000 Not live.

02:34:17.000 Unless, okay, if it went well, let's say it's a sub, I'll let them watch.

02:34:19.000 But I don't let them watch live.

02:34:20.000 I don't know what's happening.

02:34:21.000 I don't know what's going to happen.

02:34:22.000 They know that person.

02:34:23.000 They see that person regularly.

02:34:25.000 I tell my wife, when the fights are going on, let them go play.

02:34:29.000 Put them in another room.

02:34:30.000 Don't let them watch these fights.

02:34:32.000 Because you never know.

02:34:33.000 Yeah, my kids started coming into the room to watch when I was watching fights on TV when they were like six, six or seven.

02:34:40.000 And I have to tell them, I don't know if you're ready to watch this.

02:34:43.000 This is not good.

02:34:44.000 And I'm like, these people are hurting each other.

02:34:46.000 Why are they hurting each other, Daddy?

02:34:47.000 I'm like, this is a fight.

02:34:49.000 They're fighting.

02:34:50.000 And she's like...

02:34:51.000 Why do you tell these people, do you do the commentator so you tell the people what's happening?

02:34:58.000 I go, I explain.

02:34:59.000 I explain what's happening.

02:35:00.000 She goes, do you like it when they beat each other up?

02:35:02.000 I'm like, it's complicated.

02:35:04.000 It is complicated.

02:35:06.000 For me, the hardest thing is if I really know someone and I like them, watch them get fucked up.

02:35:11.000 And then also being excited about the guy who fucked them up.

02:35:15.000 It's really hard.

02:35:17.000 That's really hard to do.

02:35:18.000 I remember when Mashida knocked out Marco...

02:35:22.000 I'm forgetting his name now.

02:35:26.000 The founder of RAIN, MMA. Munoz.

02:35:29.000 Oh!

02:35:30.000 And how he treated him after.

02:35:31.000 He picked him up.

02:35:32.000 Yes, yes.

02:35:32.000 He bowed to him.

02:35:33.000 He hugged him.

02:35:35.000 Left high kick.

02:35:36.000 Yeah, this made me feel better.

02:35:37.000 I was like, you know what?

02:35:37.000 We're not trying to hurt people here.

02:35:38.000 Right.

02:35:39.000 Well, they were friends, too.

02:35:40.000 That was a weird one.

02:35:41.000 That was a weird one.

02:35:42.000 Yeah, but there was a respect, and I'm not going to hurt you more than I have to, and this was beautiful.

02:35:47.000 Yes, yeah.

02:35:48.000 Well, Machida had some great moments like that, man.

02:35:51.000 Yeah.

02:35:51.000 Now, is George done?

02:35:53.000 Like, what is he doing?

02:35:54.000 How often does he train?

02:35:56.000 All the time, man.

02:35:57.000 All the time.

02:35:57.000 It's a machine.

02:35:58.000 It's a machine.

02:36:00.000 Dude, I'm telling you.

02:36:02.000 I believe it, man.

02:36:02.000 If Usman or Kobe gets injured, like...

02:36:04.000 Really?

02:36:05.000 I don't know.

02:36:06.000 I don't want to talk for George, but man, he can kill anybody.

02:36:09.000 Wow.

02:36:09.000 He can kill anybody, this man.

02:36:11.000 He's the world's greatest martial artist.

02:36:13.000 Really?

02:36:14.000 I think so.

02:36:15.000 I'm telling you, he's a monster.

02:36:16.000 Like, I was training with him Saturday.

02:36:18.000 The guy's an animal.

02:36:19.000 Well, you know what?

02:36:20.000 When he came back and fought Bisping, I was like, man, this is going to be interesting to see.

02:36:24.000 And he came back and he looked fucking better than ever.

02:36:27.000 His hands looked great.

02:36:28.000 His kicks looked perfect.

02:36:29.000 Everything.

02:36:30.000 And that rear naked choke was one of the best rear naked chokes to win a title I've ever seen in my life.

02:36:34.000 Yes.

02:36:34.000 Because it wasn't this one with the palm on the back of the head.

02:36:38.000 It was cinched up.

02:36:39.000 It was...

02:36:41.000 Rock solid and his jiu-jitsu looks so fucking sharp, man.

02:36:45.000 It's like he clearly showed that he had been training the whole time.

02:36:50.000 That even though he hadn't fought in those years, he had been training hard.

02:36:53.000 He looked better.

02:36:54.000 He loves to train.

02:36:55.000 Like Saturday, he trained.

02:36:56.000 He finished all his rounds.

02:36:57.000 Then he was coaching some blue belts and purple belts and just kind of hanging out with them, talking technique.

02:37:02.000 The guy loves this stuff, man.

02:37:04.000 But that's what I tell people.

02:37:05.000 If you love something, you'll do a lot of it.

02:37:07.000 I'm thinking.

02:37:11.000 Knowledge is power.

02:37:13.000 He's such a nutcase, George.

02:37:14.000 He's crazy.

02:37:15.000 He's great.

02:37:16.000 He always tells me, like, so many crazy characters in MMA. I'm like, dude, you're the craziest one of all.

02:37:22.000 No, I'm normal.

02:37:23.000 He thinks aliens are stealing his time.

02:37:24.000 Oh my God.

02:37:26.000 Dude, I show a hotel room with him many times.

02:37:29.000 He puts a foam roller against the door like this.

02:37:32.000 Why does he do that?

02:37:33.000 I'm like, George, I moved it.

02:37:35.000 I put it away.

02:37:36.000 No, bro!

02:37:37.000 Leave it there.

02:37:38.000 I'm like, for what?

02:37:39.000 In case the aliens get us.

02:37:41.000 He'll know.

02:37:42.000 The next day he'll know because the foam roller was moved.

02:37:44.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:37:45.000 Doesn't he think aliens can come through walls?

02:37:47.000 How are they taking him out?

02:37:48.000 They're just taking him through the hallway and holding his hand?

02:37:50.000 Because they wipe his memory after.

02:37:51.000 But he'll know because they don't know.

02:37:54.000 He put the foam roller there so when they move it...

02:37:57.000 When they move it, it's a cue for him to remember.

02:38:01.000 What if he's right?

02:38:02.000 What if the aliens really are experimenting on him?

02:38:04.000 What if they really come down and they say, this is their world's greatest martial artist, we are going to run tests on him?

02:38:10.000 He's awesome, but I don't know what to say about his mind.

02:38:13.000 And he's got to be like 37 now, right?

02:38:15.000 He's older.

02:38:16.000 Is he 38?

02:38:17.000 38 now, yeah, 38. Does he have a thought in mind of when he's going to definitely throw it in?

02:38:24.000 It has to be, in my opinion, it's going to have to be.

02:38:26.000 I don't want to talk for him, but I think the thing that's going to motivate him is a mega fight.

02:38:31.000 He doesn't want to be champion again and fight every three, four months.

02:38:33.000 That's done.

02:38:35.000 That's not going to happen no more.

02:38:37.000 But one mega fight.

02:38:39.000 Invite him back for a mega fight.

02:38:40.000 See if you can entice him.

02:38:41.000 Because he's a competitor, man.

02:38:42.000 He's still training.

02:38:43.000 He's still ripped, shredded, fighting.

02:38:45.000 He could do five rounds.

02:38:47.000 I mean, like, maybe not he could do five rounds right away, but he needs a few weeks, then he's doing five rounds.

02:38:51.000 Like, he's close to being...

02:38:52.000 Like, he can get in fight shape.

02:38:54.000 He's there.

02:38:55.000 You know, he's just a monster, man.

02:38:56.000 I'm telling you.

02:38:56.000 Like, he's a very young 38-year-old.

02:38:59.000 Like, I would tell you he's 20 years old.

02:39:02.000 Really?

02:39:03.000 Yeah.

02:39:03.000 He's in that good of shape.

02:39:04.000 Oh my god, are you kidding me?

02:39:05.000 He's a monster.

02:39:06.000 That's crazy that he kept the discipline.

02:39:08.000 A lot of the guys, they stop fighting and they just lose that discipline.

02:39:11.000 They just don't want to train anymore.

02:39:12.000 He loves it.

02:39:13.000 Well, that's what's important about George is that he's a martial artist.

02:39:16.000 He's always been a martial artist, you know?

02:39:18.000 And that desire to learn and enjoying the training and the struggle.

02:39:24.000 Yeah, no.

02:39:25.000 To him, it's happy.

02:39:26.000 For me, too.

02:39:27.000 When I go to the gym.

02:39:27.000 Why doesn't the UFC taunt him?

02:39:29.000 I don't know.

02:39:29.000 Why don't they say, George, we got a fight for you, buddy.

02:39:33.000 Khabib.

02:39:33.000 Yeah.

02:39:34.000 Well, listen.

02:39:34.000 That would be...

02:39:35.000 Well, first of all, I want to see Tony Ferguson versus Khabib.

02:39:37.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes.

02:39:38.000 What is it?

02:39:39.000 Dana White.

02:39:39.000 UFC targeting.

02:39:40.000 Khabib Nurmagomedov.

02:39:41.000 Tony Ferguson for April.

02:39:42.000 Ooh.

02:39:43.000 Must happen.

02:39:43.000 Must.

02:39:45.000 Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

02:39:46.000 Oh, shit.

02:39:48.000 Brooklyn.

02:39:49.000 That means I'm going back to Peter Luger's Steakhouse.

02:39:51.000 April 18th, that's a good fight.

02:39:53.000 I like that fight.

02:39:54.000 I like that fight a lot.

02:39:56.000 Please, Tony, don't fall down and hurt your knee.

02:39:58.000 Please, baby Jesus, make this happen.

02:40:00.000 This is the fifth time they book them.

02:40:02.000 Is it that many times?

02:40:03.000 Fifth time.

02:40:03.000 Oh my god.

02:40:04.000 Five, four times?

02:40:05.000 If it doesn't happen, I gotta think.

02:40:07.000 Oh no, forget about it.

02:40:07.000 There's some fucking bad voodoo on this one.

02:40:11.000 If this one doesn't happen, because they both pulled out twice on each side.

02:40:14.000 That's so crazy.

02:40:16.000 Injury, there's that.

02:40:17.000 One of them was the day of the win, I think.

02:40:19.000 April.

02:40:21.000 Yes!

02:40:21.000 Make it happen!

02:40:23.000 Come on!

02:40:24.000 That's gotta happen.

02:40:25.000 Fuck yeah.

02:40:26.000 Whoever wins that is the greatest lightweight of all time.

02:40:28.000 It's a good argument for it.

02:40:29.000 Can you argue against that?

02:40:31.000 No.

02:40:31.000 Tony's had an incredible streak.

02:40:33.000 Incredible.

02:40:33.000 He never lost his title.

02:40:35.000 No.

02:40:35.000 And the only fight he lost, he broke his arm.

02:40:37.000 He lost to Michael Johnson.

02:40:39.000 A long time ago.

02:40:39.000 Broke his arm and then finished the fight and lost the decision.

02:40:42.000 I think he blocked a kick.

02:40:44.000 Snapped his forearm.

02:40:46.000 That guy has freakish cardio.

02:40:48.000 Amazing.

02:40:49.000 Freakish.

02:40:50.000 Amazing.

02:40:51.000 He goes back to the corner, not even breathing heavy.

02:40:53.000 His opponent's exhausted.

02:40:55.000 The opponent's face looks like it's gone through a fucking meat grinder.

02:40:58.000 I mean, what is in his fucking knuckles, man?

02:41:01.000 That guy punches people and just breaks their face apart.

02:41:05.000 It's crazy.

02:41:06.000 Never gets tired.

02:41:07.000 Tremendous submission game.

02:41:10.000 Tremendous striking game and very awkward.

02:41:13.000 His striking game is extremely awkward.

02:41:15.000 Yes.

02:41:15.000 Very hard to read what he's doing.

02:41:18.000 He's unpredictable.

02:41:19.000 Yeah.

02:41:19.000 Elbows, knees spinning.

02:41:21.000 Everything.

02:41:21.000 Shooting, rolling on the ground.

02:41:23.000 Super creative.

02:41:24.000 The way he beat Donald was extremely impressive.

02:41:27.000 Yeah, because Donald's a really good striker and he battered him on the feet.

02:41:31.000 I mean, Donald's face was a mess.

02:41:34.000 Round one was close.

02:41:34.000 Yeah.

02:41:35.000 Round one was close.

02:41:36.000 Well, he's feeling him out.

02:41:37.000 Yes, but round two was like, what happened now?

02:41:40.000 This is just another dimension.

02:41:42.000 He just jumped ahead.

02:41:43.000 Yep, he just ramped it up.

02:41:45.000 And when he beat up Pettis like that, I was like, Jesus Christ.

02:41:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:41:48.000 You know, he's something special, man.

02:41:50.000 He's something special, and I gotta see him fight for the title.

02:41:53.000 You know, and also, I really disagreed with them stripping his interim title because he hurt his knee.

02:41:58.000 Like, come on, man.

02:41:59.000 The guy's doing fucking all this press for you guys.

02:42:01.000 He falls down in a freak accident and hurts his knee, and you take away the interim title?

02:42:06.000 Injury, man.

02:42:06.000 Yeah.

02:42:07.000 Injury.

02:42:07.000 In MMA, it's always knees or shoulders you have to protect.

02:42:10.000 Of course, spine.

02:42:12.000 But knees and shoulders, you have to go under the knife.

02:42:13.000 No, it could really alter your career.

02:42:15.000 ACL, PCL, these things you should never...

02:42:17.000 You should do everything in your power to avoid these.

02:42:21.000 I think George's career would have been a lot longer.

02:42:23.000 Obviously, it would have been...

02:42:24.000 If he didn't have those ACL injuries, what we know today, we could have avoided it.

02:42:27.000 But the way we were training, we were doing certain things that were a little bit crazy.

02:42:32.000 What kind of things?

02:42:34.000 You had Kelly started on the show?

02:42:36.000 Sure.

02:42:36.000 This guy's a genius, man.

02:42:37.000 We sent George there.

02:42:38.000 He's amazing.

02:42:39.000 He's amazing.

02:42:41.000 Becoming a Supple Leopard?

02:42:42.000 Oh my gosh.

02:42:42.000 Fantastic book.

02:42:43.000 I always thought it was the greatest training book in the game.

02:42:45.000 People are like, oh, that's an exaggeration.

02:42:47.000 No, it's not.

02:42:47.000 Because form is everything.

02:42:50.000 If you don't have great form, you're going to get injured.

02:42:52.000 As I get older, I realize how important form is.

02:42:55.000 Form is everything.

02:42:56.000 And he has these rules in the book that protect your knee.

02:42:59.000 And George was doing the vulgus fault all his career, and I never noticed it until I read his manual.

02:43:03.000 What was he doing?

02:43:03.000 The what?

02:43:04.000 They call it the vulgus.

02:43:05.000 What is that?

02:43:06.000 It's when you jump and your knees bow in.

02:43:08.000 George always does that.

02:43:09.000 I've seen George do a thousand backflips.

02:43:11.000 He's always landing like that.

02:43:13.000 His knees bowing in.

02:43:14.000 And I was reading the book and I was like, George had an ACL injury already.

02:43:17.000 I was reading the book and I was like, holy moly, I do this fault.

02:43:21.000 George, we all do this.

02:43:22.000 He's like, oh, this will tear your ACL. I'm like, what?

02:43:24.000 Really?

02:43:25.000 So I called him up.

02:43:26.000 I'm like, hey, would you work with George?

02:43:27.000 George went there.

02:43:28.000 He corrected him.

02:43:29.000 We haven't had an injury since.

02:43:31.000 And it's so important because everybody hurts their knee in the game.

02:43:35.000 Everybody.

02:43:36.000 Jiu-jitsu guys.

02:43:37.000 And I'm always telling them, guys, read the book.

02:43:38.000 Guys won't even read the book.

02:43:39.000 It's a picture book.

02:43:40.000 It's super simple.

02:43:41.000 He says there's two things.

02:43:42.000 There's two rules to live by.

02:43:44.000 One is alignment.

02:43:44.000 And the other one, avoid overtension in the muscle.

02:43:49.000 That's why I bought the DMS. You ever heard of DMS? Deep muscle stimulator.

02:43:54.000 Oh, okay.

02:43:55.000 That's why I started that thing, that machine.

02:43:58.000 It loosens up the muscle.

02:43:59.000 You never have a tight muscle.

02:44:00.000 By the way, let's tell everybody about the Tim Tam because I'm a bit a fan of that Tim Tam since you brought it in here.

02:44:04.000 We have one right behind you.

02:44:06.000 See that one?

02:44:06.000 But now there's a new one that's fucking ten times better with heat.

02:44:10.000 The new Tim Tam with heat is incredible.

02:44:13.000 Let me bring it out.

02:44:13.000 Yeah, bring it out because here's the thing about this too.

02:44:15.000 It sounds like a commercial, but it's just for you.

02:44:18.000 This is for you.

02:44:19.000 This has nothing to do with selling things.

02:44:21.000 Hear how loud this is?

02:44:23.000 The new one is way quieter.

02:44:26.000 Sounds like I'm doing a Tim Tam commercial.

02:44:28.000 I think I am.

02:44:28.000 But listen.

02:44:29.000 Listen how much quieter that is.

02:44:30.000 Right next to it.

02:44:31.000 Same thing.

02:44:31.000 That's one.

02:44:32.000 And here's the other one.

02:44:33.000 Ready?

02:44:34.000 Here's the other one.

02:44:36.000 See?

02:44:40.000 Dude.

02:44:41.000 Much quieter.

02:44:42.000 This thing saved your career.

02:44:43.000 How does it?

02:44:44.000 It keeps going.

02:44:45.000 Yeah, you gotta click the trigger finger.

02:44:46.000 Now he's gonna run.

02:44:47.000 There's three speeds.

02:44:48.000 Oh.

02:44:49.000 Most powerful machine in the game.

02:44:51.000 Oh, I like it.

02:44:52.000 It stays on, too.

02:44:53.000 Yes.

02:44:53.000 Click it one more time.

02:44:55.000 That's 2,800 RPM, 32 millimeters.

02:44:58.000 And then heat.

02:44:58.000 Oh, you know what girls are going to use this for, right?

02:45:01.000 They don't need boyfriends anymore.

02:45:02.000 No.

02:45:03.000 Now, you know what would be nice, too?

02:45:05.000 This could sit in a vice.

02:45:06.000 Like, clamp it.

02:45:07.000 It's coming up.

02:45:08.000 And then lean up against, like, a rack.

02:45:09.000 It's coming up.

02:45:10.000 Like a monster rack.

02:45:11.000 Yes.

02:45:12.000 Coming out 2020. What are you going to have?

02:45:15.000 You can clamp it on anything.

02:45:17.000 Absolutely anything.

02:45:18.000 I like that.

02:45:19.000 I need that.

02:45:20.000 We have a lock trigger.

02:45:21.000 Heat.

02:45:22.000 See that, Jamie?

02:45:22.000 Heat.

02:45:23.000 It's fucking warm.

02:45:24.000 If you have a tight muscle in your body, you got to kill it.

02:45:27.000 Yeah.

02:45:27.000 If your hamstring is tight, you're going to blow your ACL. Yes.

02:45:33.000 Yesterday, I was seeing an airplane.

02:45:36.000 You know, this is what Kelly Starrett says.

02:45:37.000 He says, I'm telling you, this guy changed my career.

02:45:39.000 He says, look, if you sit in an airplane or in a chair, he has a great book on sitting.

02:45:44.000 Like, sitting is the new smoking.

02:45:45.000 Like, don't sit all day.

02:45:46.000 Like, especially if you sit all day.

02:45:47.000 Yeah.

02:45:47.000 But you got to know how to sit because you cripple your back.

02:45:49.000 I don't know how to sit.

02:45:50.000 And it's like...

02:45:52.000 It's like you're making this muscle tight.

02:45:55.000 And then what happens when you go and do athletics, your hips are tight.

02:45:58.000 When you're sitting for prolonged hours, you're creating overtension in certain parts of your body.

02:46:04.000 There are rules to sitting.

02:46:05.000 I used to sit wrong.

02:46:06.000 I used to have sciatica, horrible sciatica.

02:46:09.000 This guy fixed me up.

02:46:10.000 I wouldn't be able to train as much as I do if it wasn't for him.

02:46:13.000 Well, I'll tell you what helped me is these fucking chairs.

02:46:15.000 What do you got?

02:46:16.000 They're called Fully.

02:46:17.000 Yeah, this is good.

02:46:18.000 Oh, my God.

02:46:19.000 It's called the Capisco, rather, from a company called Fully.

02:46:21.000 Actually, I think they changed the name of the company again.

02:46:23.000 Because I saw it on Instagram.

02:46:25.000 I was like, that's the chair I have.

02:46:27.000 I don't know.

02:46:28.000 But anyway, I bought these from my house.

02:46:30.000 I bought these.

02:46:31.000 These are fucking phenomenal because they force you to sit erect.

02:46:34.000 Yeah, I've noticed.

02:46:35.000 Yeah, you can't like slump.

02:46:37.000 If you slump like this.

02:46:38.000 I mean, I used to have like regular office chairs the way my ass would sit into them.

02:46:41.000 I would slump and by the end of a podcast, the middle of my back would be hurting.

02:46:45.000 I'm like, ah.

02:46:45.000 But you know what's the best in my opinion?

02:46:48.000 Is sitting lotus.

02:46:49.000 You know, like when you cross your legs.

02:46:50.000 They have chairs that are...

02:46:52.000 There it is.

02:46:52.000 Fully.

02:46:53.000 Yeah, it is fully.

02:46:53.000 It's called the Capisco.

02:46:55.000 Oh, HAG. H-A-G. Capisco by HAG. That's an H with a weird little thing on top of it.

02:47:00.000 What is that?

02:47:01.000 Is that an actual H? A? The A, rather?

02:47:04.000 What is that?

02:47:04.000 The fuck is that A? Is that a new A? What is that?

02:47:11.000 A? As in lowercase...

02:47:14.000 Huh.

02:47:14.000 It's Swedish.

02:47:16.000 Okay.

02:47:16.000 So, it's their version of an A. Cut it out.

02:47:20.000 Cut it out with your fucking extra A. But anyway, the chair is amazing.

02:47:23.000 Yeah.

02:47:24.000 So, Lotus.

02:47:25.000 A Lotus chair?

02:47:26.000 Yeah, if you cross your legs.

02:47:27.000 Like, there's a chair.

02:47:28.000 It's just a bigger platform where you're sitting.

02:47:30.000 The cushion is wider.

02:47:31.000 And you can cross your legs like you're in the Lotus position.

02:47:33.000 That keeps your spine stable.

02:47:35.000 That's why he says, like, you see people who meditate, they sit in a particular way.

02:47:39.000 And your spine has to be neutral.

02:47:40.000 So for me, the ultimate way to sit, for me personally, like you see the Japanese, they sit on the floor.

02:47:44.000 Yeah.

02:47:45.000 They cross their, like, they're in a lotus position.

02:47:47.000 And of course, a wide stance.

02:47:50.000 Yeah, kind of like that.

02:47:51.000 But yeah, there you go.

02:47:54.000 Now you can relax.

02:47:57.000 Oh, you're flexible.

02:47:58.000 I do yoga.

02:47:59.000 Oh, you're very flexible.

02:48:00.000 I came here right from yoga class.

02:48:01.000 Did you?

02:48:02.000 Yeah.

02:48:03.000 Yeah, I try to do yoga at least twice a week.

02:48:06.000 So anyways, this book, he talks about all the various faults people do.

02:48:11.000 Like how to create torque in your body.

02:48:13.000 Man, the guy is brilliant.

02:48:15.000 Yeah, he is.

02:48:15.000 I had him on the podcast many, many years ago.

02:48:18.000 Back in the early days.

02:48:19.000 I have to have him on again.

02:48:20.000 This would be good to sit like this.

02:48:22.000 It would be annoying after a while.

02:48:23.000 You have to have a wider platform, like a wider cushion.

02:48:25.000 Then you can get comfortable and kind of chill.

02:48:28.000 Yeah, but even then, I don't know if I could do that for a whole podcast.

02:48:31.000 Maybe barefoot.

02:48:32.000 There's a variety of ways he sits.

02:48:34.000 He has a book on just sitting.

02:48:36.000 That's so ridiculous.

02:48:37.000 Yeah, because people get injured because of prolonged sitting.

02:48:39.000 What do you think about those standing desks?

02:48:41.000 Those are the best.

02:48:42.000 He recommends them highly.

02:48:43.000 There's some that have weird platforms too, where the platforms are moving.

02:48:48.000 What do you mean?

02:48:48.000 They wiggle and go back and forth, so you're always standing, kind of funky.

02:48:51.000 This is what he says is the ultimate.

02:48:53.000 He made this bar for standing desks.

02:48:55.000 It's designed by Kelly Starrett.

02:48:57.000 Yeah, this is it.

02:48:58.000 This is what you got to do.

02:48:59.000 What is he doing there?

02:49:02.000 Just sitting?

02:49:03.000 You can move your leg back and forth.

02:49:04.000 It's like a swing almost.

02:49:05.000 Oh, okay.

02:49:06.000 But think of a bar stool.

02:49:08.000 You have a place to put your foot, you have a place to sit, and you can get up.

02:49:12.000 You're almost sitting and standing every so often.

02:49:15.000 So there's always this motion, this movement.

02:49:18.000 And you need this mobility.

02:49:19.000 Because what happens to a muscle that's just not moving for hours and hours?

02:49:22.000 It gets super tight.

02:49:23.000 So is that just the bar or does he sell the desk too?

02:49:27.000 That's a standing...

02:49:27.000 That looks like a rigid, solid standing desk.

02:49:30.000 Scroll down, Jamie, so I could see that.

02:49:31.000 Scroll down so I could see that.

02:49:33.000 So that is just something that someone made to their specific height.

02:49:38.000 What do you call that bar?

02:49:39.000 When you're at a bar, you can put your foot on it.

02:49:42.000 There's the bar and then you can put your foot on the bottom of the bar.

02:49:45.000 I think it's the put your foot on it bar.

02:49:47.000 This is what it mimics.

02:49:48.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

02:49:49.000 That's what you got to do when you're sitting.

02:49:51.000 Ah, that makes sense.

02:49:52.000 He says, like, the bar is the best way to sit.

02:49:54.000 So a bar under here would be good if I had a bar.

02:49:57.000 If you had a bar.

02:49:58.000 Or I need one of them under my chair.

02:50:00.000 These chairs have it now.

02:50:02.000 They do?

02:50:02.000 Yours might be the older one, but the new ones they sell.

02:50:04.000 Well, what the fuck?

02:50:05.000 Just grab the other one.

02:50:06.000 Well, what the fuck?

02:50:07.000 No, it does have a thing.

02:50:09.000 There is some sort of a bar here.

02:50:11.000 My feet have this thing.

02:50:12.000 Yeah, that is?

02:50:13.000 So you're supposed to sit with your feet on that?

02:50:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:50:16.000 I think this table, maybe it's three inches too low.

02:50:20.000 Yeah, it's a little too low.

02:50:20.000 Yeah, it's got to be higher.

02:50:22.000 But it's perfect for elbow sit.

02:50:24.000 That's actually not bad to sit like that.

02:50:25.000 Oh yeah, you'll get real comfortable.

02:50:27.000 I kind of like that.

02:50:28.000 Yeah, me, when I sit, it's always like this.

02:50:29.000 At home, I can't sit any other way.

02:50:31.000 My back's finished.

02:50:33.000 This is actually better.

02:50:34.000 I've never sat.

02:50:36.000 This is actually, for me, it wedges my knees underneath this table.

02:50:39.000 This might be perfect.

02:50:40.000 I'm telling you.

02:50:41.000 Me, when I eat at home, this is how I sit.

02:50:44.000 Really?

02:50:44.000 I can't sit any other way.

02:50:45.000 My back is finished.

02:50:46.000 I'm telling you.

02:50:46.000 Like, my back is healthy now.

02:50:49.000 But if, like, when I fly, I have to take care of my back as soon as I get to a hotel.

02:50:52.000 I got to keep away all the tension in my hips, in my glutes.

02:50:56.000 Like, I have to make sure.

02:50:56.000 What is your issues with your back just from training?

02:50:59.000 I have it here.

02:50:59.000 You know, right here.

02:51:01.000 This whole area I do whenever I fly because I'm sitting down and my muscles just get super tight, super, super tight.

02:51:08.000 Does your back itself, the spine itself get tense or just the lower part, your glutes?

02:51:13.000 I had a bulging disc, L4, L5. Gone.

02:51:17.000 Really?

02:51:18.000 Gone.

02:51:18.000 How'd you get that to go away?

02:51:20.000 Natural decompression.

02:51:22.000 So basically, it's in Kelly Starry's book.

02:51:26.000 You lie down on your back.

02:51:27.000 Imagine lying down on your back and you raise your legs.

02:51:30.000 And you put them on a platform.

02:51:31.000 Like, let's say I was on the floor and I put my feet up on a...

02:51:33.000 Oh, I see.

02:51:33.000 Okay, and you put one of those twin lacrosse balls or one lacrosse ball and you kind of, you put it on your back and you just kind of wedge.

02:51:42.000 Because you're lying down, you're naturally decompressing the spine.

02:51:45.000 Anyways, in his book, he shows you how to take care of your back.

02:51:47.000 I just did those exercises religiously.

02:51:49.000 The problem was it took a long time.

02:51:51.000 That's why I started this thing.

02:51:53.000 This thing I do, instead of going to the gym and rolling up and down for 45 minutes, I get it done in 5 minutes.

02:51:59.000 Super fast.

02:52:00.000 I'm done.

02:52:01.000 And you have to do it.

02:52:03.000 The manager at my gym just popped his heel cord just by doing a round off.

02:52:09.000 The guy, he's an ex-gymnist.

02:52:11.000 He's always doing round-offs in the gym.

02:52:12.000 He's always fooling around.

02:52:13.000 You mean his Achilles tendon?

02:52:14.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:52:15.000 Yeah.

02:52:15.000 Heel cord popped.

02:52:17.000 He was warmed up.

02:52:18.000 He was training for an hour.

02:52:19.000 He's like, let me do a round-off.

02:52:20.000 He does this routine.

02:52:21.000 Pops his heel cord.

02:52:23.000 I'm like, dude, I can't afford that to happen to me.

02:52:26.000 Yeah, that's a bad one.

02:52:27.000 He's out for a month.

02:52:28.000 It's a crazy surgery.

02:52:29.000 He just did it.

02:52:30.000 And it's a lot of physiotherapy.

02:52:32.000 If I did that, it'd probably destroy my business.

02:52:34.000 I got to be in the gym.

02:52:35.000 I got fighters to train.

02:52:37.000 I got people to...

02:52:37.000 I'm too busy to have a heel cord injury.

02:52:40.000 These kind of things can ruin a career.

02:52:42.000 If you get one ACL tear, it's very bad for your career.

02:52:45.000 If you have two, it could ruin your career.

02:52:48.000 Like George, when it happened the second time, okay, he had the finances and the name.

02:52:51.000 He was already built.

02:52:53.000 He could take a year off.

02:52:54.000 Right.

02:52:56.000 But if he was on the way up...

02:52:57.000 If that happened in the first or second year of his career, his career would have been over.

02:53:01.000 Like, I've had fighters have two ACL tears.

02:53:03.000 Early in their career, career's over.

02:53:04.000 Why?

02:53:05.000 The guy's been off for a year.

02:53:06.000 So now he's going to do it again.

02:53:07.000 And then two years later, his other...

02:53:09.000 Because you know, typically your other ACL pops two years later.

02:53:13.000 Yeah, you know, if you pop your ACL on the right, you're a candidate now for the left.

02:53:17.000 Right.

02:53:18.000 Two years later, pop.

02:53:20.000 I hope you're rich and famous already.

02:53:22.000 I hope you built your name.

02:53:23.000 I hope you put enough money in the bank because that's a long time to be on the sidelines.

02:53:26.000 Now imagine you have three ACL injuries.

02:53:28.000 You're pretty much done.

02:53:29.000 It's a lot to come back from.

02:53:31.000 When George fought Condit, he'd come back from an ACL injury.

02:53:35.000 Man, that was a horrific training camp because it was such a small window.

02:53:38.000 Look, are you okay enough to do the training camp?

02:53:40.000 Some doctors are saying yes, not sure.

02:53:43.000 It was such a stressful time because that fight was happening on a particular date and George was making his comeback.

02:53:49.000 I would have liked a few more months to get him ready.

02:53:51.000 It was a small window to fit in that big fight.

02:53:54.000 And luckily it worked out, but ACL injuries are something very serious.

02:53:57.000 Yeah, I've had both of them done.

02:53:59.000 Yeah?

02:53:59.000 Yeah.

02:54:00.000 What was the recovery like?

02:54:02.000 Not good.

02:54:03.000 No.

02:54:03.000 This one was way harder though.

02:54:04.000 This left one was a patella tendon graft where they cut your own patella tendon and drill it in and open you up like a fish and screw it in place.

02:54:11.000 This one was a cadaver.

02:54:12.000 This was way easier.

02:54:13.000 This one was six months.

02:54:14.000 I was done.

02:54:15.000 How long was the graph?

02:54:16.000 More than a year before it felt right.

02:54:18.000 More than a year.

02:54:19.000 Imagine.

02:54:19.000 More than a year before it felt right.

02:54:20.000 I could do stuff, but it just always hurt and I couldn't get on my knees.

02:54:24.000 Like if I was on my knees and I was going to start from a kneeling position, it would hurt like hell.

02:54:29.000 Just like kneeling to pick something up.

02:54:31.000 Because they take a chunk of your bone out.

02:54:33.000 That takes a long time to feel right.

02:54:36.000 Thank God.

02:54:37.000 I know I'm going to break my ACL now because I say this next week.

02:54:40.000 No.

02:54:41.000 I never pop my ACL, thank God.

02:54:42.000 That's amazing.

02:54:43.000 And I think about it all the time.

02:54:44.000 I'm very careful and I do a lot of leg locks and my students are leg lockers.

02:54:47.000 But in the gym, we're very controlled.

02:54:49.000 I don't like guys to crank the leg lock.

02:54:51.000 Hold.

02:54:52.000 Hold three seconds and that's it.

02:54:54.000 Tap quick.

02:54:55.000 Yes.

02:54:55.000 And I tap me.

02:54:56.000 I don't care if somebody grabs me in the leg lock, tap.

02:54:58.000 Yes.

02:54:59.000 We do leg lock situations.

02:55:01.000 It's very safe if you have a good culture in the gym, but some guys are just, you know.

02:55:05.000 Sometimes it's spazes.

02:55:06.000 And those guys, I don't let them do leg locks or off the mat?

02:55:08.000 Well, you know, Dr. Roddy McGee out of Vegas, he does a lot of work with the UFC fighters.

02:55:13.000 He's an orthopedic surgeon.

02:55:15.000 They have some new technique where they can reattach ACLs where they don't have to get a cadaver graft anymore.

02:55:21.000 Really?

02:55:21.000 Synthetic?

02:55:22.000 No, no.

02:55:23.000 They reattach your own torn ACL. They put it back together again.

02:55:28.000 Wow.

02:55:28.000 And they had one athlete, I forget what sport it was, but he did it and then four months after the surgery competed in the Olympics.

02:55:37.000 Really?

02:55:38.000 Yes.

02:55:38.000 That's amazing.

02:55:39.000 Yeah, he showed me videos of this guy and he also showed me...

02:55:42.000 It's like they take the cord, let's say as the ACL snaps, so the ligament snaps, they put it back together again, they have this crazy intricate method of stitching it all back together again, and then it heals up much faster that way.

02:55:55.000 And I think they do it in conjunction with stem cells, they use stem cells as well.

02:55:59.000 I've never heard of that.

02:56:00.000 It's a very new thing.

02:56:01.000 I'll connect you to him.

02:56:02.000 You would love him.

02:56:04.000 He's been on the podcast before too.

02:56:05.000 He's a great guy and he's on the cutting edge.

02:56:08.000 He's always like going to all these different conferences and finding out about these new research Projects that have been done on new healing methods and surgery methods and stuff like that.

02:56:18.000 He's always a young guy, very on top of it.

02:56:21.000 But he's worked with a lot of UFC fighters.

02:56:23.000 Last time I saw Francis in his office, rather, Francis in Ghana was in there getting some stem cell shots in his arm.

02:56:30.000 Injuries is the worst, man.

02:56:31.000 Fuck, man.

02:56:31.000 You gotta stay away from injuries.

02:56:32.000 There's no way.

02:56:33.000 When you come to TriStar, the gym is jam-packed.

02:56:38.000 And I had one friend of mine, an instructor from another province, and he's like, he came to the gym and he was shocked how much students I have.

02:56:45.000 And I was like, yeah, because here when you come to train, nobody gets injured.

02:56:49.000 That's one of my key secrets.

02:56:51.000 When you come in here, if I see any guy going out of control, it depends.

02:56:55.000 The more experienced you are, the more I let you guys go hard.

02:56:58.000 But if you're a beginner, if I see two beginners killing each other, I put a stop to it.

02:57:02.000 I put them with a blue belt.

02:57:03.000 The blue belt's going to teach him, take him under his wing, but he's not going to brutalize him.

02:57:08.000 Because what happens, you're losing that student.

02:57:10.000 One of those two is going to get brutalized.

02:57:12.000 He's not coming back.

02:57:13.000 And then that's one less guy in the practice room.

02:57:14.000 That guy, I could have developed him.

02:57:15.000 Give me a year or two.

02:57:16.000 He's a good training partner for my other guys.

02:57:18.000 It's like a pyramid.

02:57:19.000 Give me five years with him.

02:57:20.000 Now, all of a sudden, he's a key training partner.

02:57:22.000 Oh, seven years now, he's a winner.

02:57:24.000 He's a champion.

02:57:24.000 He's going pro.

02:57:25.000 That guy, you lost him on day one because you smacked him around.

02:57:30.000 You didn't think he's anybody.

02:57:32.000 Give me time with that guy.

02:57:33.000 I'm going to mold him.

02:57:34.000 Let me season him.

02:57:36.000 So, that's why I like to train at my gym because I know everybody has that kind of attitude.

02:57:39.000 I always tell my students, if your partner gets injured, it's your fault.

02:57:43.000 Go into that mentality.

02:57:45.000 When you get good, like my students, I have some students that are knuckleheads.

02:57:50.000 They're cowboys.

02:57:52.000 I tell them, by the time you're good, you're going to be crippled.

02:57:55.000 You got to black belt, but you got to retire now.

02:57:58.000 You got to stop training.

02:57:59.000 I'm very big on technique, physical conditioning, But rough sparring has to be controlled or done very rarely and in a smart way.

02:58:10.000 Because so many talented kids get busted up.

02:58:12.000 So many.

02:58:14.000 It's crazy.

02:58:15.000 MMA's injuries are ridiculous.

02:58:17.000 Yeah, MMA, Jiu-Jitsu, even Muay Thai, all martial arts.

02:58:21.000 I think that's so important to treat it like your training partner is someone who you're in partnership with.

02:58:29.000 You're helping each other.

02:58:31.000 And you need them.

02:58:32.000 If you don't have good training partners, you're never going to be good.

02:58:34.000 This is something I learned from George.

02:58:35.000 I'll tell you, the one guy who never hurts anybody in practice is George.

02:58:38.000 He's the safest guy to train with.

02:58:40.000 I've seen him hurt like three people in practice.

02:58:44.000 All the years I've seen him fight.

02:58:46.000 That's amazing.

02:58:47.000 I could tell you three times you hurt a guy, like bad.

02:58:50.000 And it was always accidental, obviously.

02:58:52.000 And one case was a guy got out of control and just kind of like, Georgia just kind of lit him up.

02:58:57.000 But that's very rare because Georgia just like finished around, not spar with that guy.

02:59:00.000 That guy's like, you know, he's going to hurt himself if he continues.

02:59:03.000 But he's very controlled when he trains.

02:59:05.000 But that's why everybody wants to train with George.

02:59:07.000 It's crazy.

02:59:08.000 Like, if I say, who wants to go with George?

02:59:09.000 Everybody's going to raise their hand.

02:59:10.000 That's crazy.

02:59:11.000 Because it's going to be a great experience.

02:59:13.000 That's the kind of guy, there's some students I have that nobody wants to train with.

02:59:16.000 Because they're crazy.

02:59:17.000 Yeah, and I always tell them straight up.

02:59:19.000 Like, sometimes I roll with people and they scratch my hand.

02:59:21.000 That's one thing I hate.

02:59:22.000 When they scratch, like, you're rolling and they dig their nails.

02:59:25.000 They're digging their nails because they're nervous.

02:59:26.000 I won't roll with that guy for a while because every time I wash my hands, my hands are stinging.

02:59:30.000 Oh, God.

02:59:31.000 Yeah.

02:59:32.000 You know, like, it's such an annoyance to have scratched, like, you know, it's painful.

02:59:35.000 Every time you wash your hands, and then I roll, somebody grabs my hand, it's like, you know, it's like a paper cut.

02:59:40.000 And it's like, or the guy who kicks you in the groin, he's too nervous, he's spazzy, and he kicks you, I can't stand it.

02:59:47.000 One guy poked me in the eye.

02:59:49.000 I was blind for two hours, Joe.

02:59:51.000 Really?

02:59:51.000 I got to the hospital, my vision was still not there.

02:59:55.000 I'm telling you, two hours.

02:59:56.000 Just because...

02:59:57.000 The guy was a seasoned wrestler.

02:59:58.000 We're wrestling.

03:00:00.000 People are nervous because they're rolling with me.

03:00:02.000 I'm the instructor.

03:00:03.000 Some guys are just nervous because I got to show him I'm good.

03:00:07.000 And he kind of did this ridiculous reaction.

03:00:09.000 Like a totally absurd reaction.

03:00:11.000 And he poked me in the eye so bad.

03:00:14.000 Telling my vision was gone for two hours.

03:00:16.000 By the time I got to the hospital, I still wasn't seeing.

03:00:18.000 I thought I lost my eye.

03:00:19.000 I was freaking out.

03:00:20.000 I was like, dude, I'm going to have one eye.

03:00:22.000 I'm going to have a glass eye.

03:00:22.000 I was like...

03:00:23.000 But luckily, it was just like a swelling.

03:00:26.000 I had such swelling inside my eye.

03:00:27.000 When it went down, my vision came back.

03:00:30.000 But I still see a light show.

03:00:32.000 Like when I'm driving, I see lights.

03:00:34.000 Really?

03:00:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:00:35.000 They told me, if one day you see like black polka dots, you have two days to get a surgery or else you're going to lose your eye or something like that.

03:00:42.000 So now, if one day...

03:00:45.000 My vision goes polka dot black, like I start seeing black spots.

03:00:48.000 I have to rush the eye doctor.

03:00:51.000 But luckily now, it's been over a year, so my eye's fine.

03:00:53.000 When you say you see light shows, like what is it?

03:00:54.000 Is it red in the tear?

03:00:55.000 Parker light.

03:00:56.000 I guess.

03:00:57.000 I'll be like...

03:00:58.000 Jesus.

03:00:59.000 Like, I just...

03:01:00.000 Isn't that what Bisping said that caused him to retire?

03:01:02.000 He started seeing lights in his right eye.

03:01:04.000 Or his left eye, rather.

03:01:06.000 His right eye?

03:01:07.000 No, his right eye's all fucked up.

03:01:08.000 His left eye, he started seeing lights in too.

03:01:11.000 Oh, really?

03:01:11.000 And that's what he said, I'm done.

03:01:13.000 Yeah, it's too dangerous.

03:01:14.000 Because you realize he's already, I mean, he's basically blind in one eye.

03:01:17.000 You see how he wears a glass eye or a cap.

03:01:20.000 You can see when he got hit by Kelvin.

03:01:22.000 He didn't see that shot.

03:01:23.000 No, he didn't see that shot.

03:01:24.000 That's why I took him, like, when you don't see the shot, it's worse.

03:01:27.000 Well, he said he's effectively fighting blind in one eye for, you know, since the Vitor fight, essentially.

03:01:32.000 Yeah, you can't see the depth.

03:01:35.000 But yeah, I see lights here and there.

03:01:37.000 And sometimes I turn my head because I think they're outside.

03:01:39.000 I think the light is outside, but it's...

03:01:41.000 It's the aliens.

03:01:43.000 They've moved the roller.

03:01:46.000 I'm much better now, though.

03:01:48.000 But for like a year, I was like, lights.

03:01:49.000 I was seeing lights everywhere.

03:01:51.000 And did you get an MRI on it?

03:01:53.000 No.

03:01:53.000 Did they know what's going on?

03:01:55.000 Social medicine, Joe.

03:01:56.000 Social?

03:01:56.000 Social medicine.

03:01:57.000 What does that mean?

03:01:58.000 You wait eight hours in line, and then they give you the minimum care.

03:02:01.000 Oh, social.

03:02:02.000 Yeah, I get it.

03:02:02.000 Socialized medicine.

03:02:03.000 Socialized medicine.

03:02:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:02:04.000 Fuck that.

03:02:05.000 You wait eight hours in line.

03:02:06.000 You wait eight hours in line.

03:02:08.000 Yeah.

03:02:08.000 And then they give you the minimum amount of treatment.

03:02:10.000 You're here in Los Angeles.

03:02:12.000 Why don't you stop and visit some real doctor?

03:02:14.000 It's true.

03:02:15.000 Yeah.

03:02:16.000 I would like you to get it checked out, though, if you're still seeing weird lights.

03:02:19.000 I hate doctors, man.

03:02:21.000 Really?

03:02:22.000 I love them.

03:02:22.000 Really?

03:02:23.000 Oh, yeah.

03:02:23.000 They put me back together again.

03:02:25.000 I'd rather just like...

03:02:26.000 I don't know.

03:02:26.000 I believe in nutrition and exercise.

03:02:28.000 I do, too.

03:02:28.000 I feel like I'm in the last...

03:02:29.000 I also believe in doctors.

03:02:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:02:31.000 I know, I know.

03:02:32.000 I'm just scared of them.

03:02:32.000 You believe in everything good.

03:02:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:02:34.000 I just have a fear of doctors.

03:02:35.000 I believe in water.

03:02:36.000 I believe in a lot of good stuff.

03:02:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:02:37.000 I know, I know.

03:02:38.000 But you know what it is?

03:02:40.000 In Canada, you want to see a doctor, you have to wait a long time.

03:02:42.000 And I'm lucky because I have friends that are doctors, so I just call them up and I go see them.

03:02:46.000 But, man, to go do the tests and all this and waiting, it takes forever.

03:02:50.000 Yeah.

03:02:50.000 I hear you, man.

03:02:52.000 But yeah, eyes are...

03:02:53.000 I mean, you know Winklejohn's story.

03:02:54.000 Yeah.

03:02:54.000 I mean, that's the craziest one.

03:02:55.000 Holding pads for someone, the guy misses a kick on the pad and hits his toe into his eye.

03:02:59.000 I mean, just crazy.

03:03:01.000 One more time.

03:03:02.000 You can't have one more accident.

03:03:03.000 Yeah.

03:03:03.000 You have one eye that's missing now.

03:03:05.000 And the guy had a nice long fight career too.

03:03:08.000 Never had any problems with his eyes and loses an eye that way.

03:03:11.000 It's crazy.

03:03:12.000 When I hold pads, I hold a small.

03:03:14.000 The most dangerous pad to hold is a small one.

03:03:17.000 Why is that?

03:03:18.000 Because there's a smaller target.

03:03:20.000 And plus you feel the kick.

03:03:21.000 There's less between me and the kick and the knee.

03:03:24.000 This is a very dangerous pad to hold.

03:03:26.000 And I hold sometimes for seven fighters one night.

03:03:30.000 Seven fighters.

03:03:32.000 I always wear a cup but I have nothing on my eyes.

03:03:34.000 One time I got a kick in the head.

03:03:36.000 I never had concussion in my life except for this time.

03:03:39.000 The guy, he missed the pad.

03:03:40.000 He just kicked wrong.

03:03:42.000 I tried to move it.

03:03:43.000 Boom!

03:03:43.000 Hit me off the head.

03:03:44.000 I'm telling you, I was seeing stars for like an hour and a half.

03:03:46.000 Finished the whole training.

03:03:47.000 Didn't say a word to nobody.

03:03:49.000 I was seeing like lights and I was like, I was concussed for sure.

03:03:52.000 I acted normal.

03:03:52.000 Finished practice.

03:03:53.000 Went home.

03:03:54.000 Not feeling well.

03:03:55.000 I kind of like took it easy from then.

03:03:57.000 But first time I get kicked in the head.

03:03:59.000 Pow!

03:03:59.000 Wow, it's very dangerous to be a holder.

03:04:01.000 Yeah, it is.

03:04:01.000 One mistake.

03:04:02.000 It is.

03:04:03.000 One thing, though, I wear for sure is a cup.

03:04:04.000 When I hold, I always wear a cup.

03:04:06.000 Oh, yeah.

03:04:06.000 I've been kicked in the groin holding.

03:04:07.000 Like, the pads are up here.

03:04:08.000 The guy kicks you down there.

03:04:09.000 What are you going to do?

03:04:10.000 But I'm always holding in a way to protect myself.

03:04:12.000 But if I get a little bit sloppy, which can happen, you know, you're tired, boom, the holder can get hit really hard.

03:04:17.000 It can really hurt.

03:04:18.000 I've been hit in the rib, full kick.

03:04:19.000 Yeah, you get your organs battered, too.

03:04:21.000 Yeah, you get very hurt.

03:04:21.000 And there's a lot of guys who let people kick them when they have those body shields on.

03:04:25.000 They let them throw full power around.

03:04:26.000 Yeah, I do this.

03:04:27.000 Yeah, I do it.

03:04:29.000 Freddie Roach got knocked out by Tyson.

03:04:31.000 Did he really?

03:04:32.000 He was telling me the story.

03:04:33.000 Tyson knocked him out.

03:04:34.000 He was holding pads for Tyson.

03:04:35.000 Tyson knocked him out.

03:04:35.000 Oh my god.

03:04:36.000 Because sometimes the guy is in his head.

03:04:39.000 Yeah.

03:04:40.000 He's in his head.

03:04:41.000 You're holding for three punches and he throws a fourth one, but just because it flowed.

03:04:45.000 I don't think they're malicious.

03:04:46.000 My guys are good kids.

03:04:48.000 They're just in the flow.

03:04:49.000 Sometimes they hit you.

03:04:51.000 Right.

03:04:51.000 It's very dangerous.

03:04:53.000 That's why me, when I hold pads, I'm always on guard.

03:04:55.000 Always, always, always.

03:04:56.000 It's very dangerous.

03:04:57.000 Pad holding is not easy.

03:04:59.000 Very dangerous.

03:05:00.000 No, it's an art, too.

03:05:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:05:01.000 There's something that's really...

03:05:03.000 There's some people that do it really well, and those people are cherished.

03:05:08.000 And then there's some people that just, you know, they just do basic shit.

03:05:11.000 You might as well hit the back.

03:05:13.000 But Wink, Wink, he's a great...

03:05:15.000 I've been in a practice room with him.

03:05:16.000 He's a great trainer.

03:05:18.000 But now he has to wear the glasses, I'm sure.

03:05:20.000 I've seen him wear glasses now.

03:05:21.000 This is so dangerous, man.

03:05:23.000 He can't get hit.

03:05:25.000 He cannot afford one more accent.

03:05:27.000 Of course.

03:05:27.000 And there's nothing they can do about it, right?

03:05:29.000 No, he's a glass eye.

03:05:31.000 Is it glass eye?

03:05:31.000 Yeah, he has one eye.

03:05:32.000 It's glass.

03:05:33.000 Oh, I didn't know.

03:05:33.000 Yeah, it's glass eye.

03:05:35.000 It's gone.

03:05:35.000 Wow.

03:05:36.000 Unless he gets an organ transplant, maybe.

03:05:38.000 I don't know if they can ever do that.

03:05:39.000 Does he do that?

03:05:40.000 I don't know.

03:05:40.000 Fuck.

03:05:41.000 What kind of operation would that be?

03:05:42.000 I don't know.

03:05:44.000 I don't know if they can maybe get him a donor one day.

03:05:47.000 I don't know.

03:05:47.000 But, man, I wouldn't want to lose my vision.

03:05:49.000 Yeah.

03:05:52.000 For us, we just did three hours and 25 minutes, man.

03:05:56.000 It's 625. Isn't that crazy?

03:05:58.000 Awesome, man.

03:05:59.000 What are the odds?

03:05:59.000 I had a blast.

03:06:00.000 I had a blast, too.

03:06:01.000 So this new Tim Tam, is it available now?

03:06:04.000 Can you buy it already?

03:06:04.000 Yes.

03:06:05.000 Free shipping worldwide right now.

03:06:06.000 So get to it if you want one, man.

03:06:08.000 Free shipping.

03:06:08.000 I got you one with your name on it.

03:06:10.000 Thank you.

03:06:10.000 Listen, folks, I'm not blowing smoke up his ass.

03:06:12.000 This thing is fucking amazing.

03:06:14.000 And the other one is amazing.

03:06:15.000 The old one's amazing.

03:06:16.000 This one's even better.

03:06:17.000 And the heat function.

03:06:19.000 Incredible.

03:06:19.000 This one, 32mm travel.

03:06:21.000 This one, 26. It's more powerful, this one.

03:06:23.000 Most powerful one in the world.

03:06:24.000 And the only one in the world with heat.

03:06:26.000 The only one.

03:06:27.000 The only one in the world.

03:06:28.000 This is the shit.

03:06:28.000 I love it.

03:06:29.000 TriStar.

03:06:30.000 Montreal.

03:06:31.000 If you're a trainer, or if you're a fighter, rather, and you want to be trained by the best, it's one place to go.

03:06:36.000 My man.

03:06:36.000 Thank you, brother.

03:06:37.000 Thank you, sir.

03:06:37.000 Appreciate you, man.

03:06:38.000 Thank you very much.

03:06:39.000 For us, a hobby, ladies and gentlemen.

03:06:40.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 22, 2011

JRE MMA Show #83 with Firas Zahabi

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