The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #87 with Kamaru Usman

00:00:01.000 Three, two, one.

00:00:04.000 Champ!

00:00:04.000 What's up?

00:00:05.000 How are you?

00:00:05.000 What's up, Joe?

00:00:06.000 How are you?

00:00:08.000 I'm good.

00:00:09.000 I'm good.

00:00:09.000 Life is good.

00:00:10.000 Life is good.

00:00:10.000 It's good.

00:00:11.000 It's stressful, but it's good.

00:00:12.000 Well, I mean, it has to be stressful.

00:00:14.000 You're the king of the hill.

00:00:15.000 Yes.

00:00:16.000 Yes.

00:00:17.000 And that's a lot of things they don't tell you.

00:00:19.000 Dude, I remember Matt Hughes, when he lost to BJ Penn, I was interviewing him in the Octagon.

00:00:24.000 He said something like really honest and very shocking.

00:00:26.000 He said, honestly, he goes, it's a relief.

00:00:29.000 He goes, like, being a champ and the stress of it all, he goes, I feel relieved to have been lost.

00:00:34.000 Like, first of all, to lose.

00:00:36.000 It's very, like, the fact that he had the balls to say that.

00:00:40.000 Like, just admit it.

00:00:41.000 Like, hey, it's a relief.

00:00:43.000 Like, you know, he just choked me out, but...

00:00:45.000 I'm happy.

00:00:45.000 I'm happy it happened.

00:00:46.000 It is.

00:00:47.000 For guys like that that have reached that status, it is.

00:00:49.000 The Anderson Silva, the George St. Pierre, those guys, it is a relief because, you know, and I'm just, I'm starting to see a little bit why.

00:01:00.000 Because as soon as I walk out of there defending your title, as soon as you just beat this kid up, Fans can't wait to say, oh no, this is the guy that's going to beat you.

00:01:10.000 That's the guy that's going to beat you.

00:01:12.000 There's really no come down, let me take a vacation, let me do this.

00:01:16.000 No, because fans are on it.

00:01:17.000 They want a guy to step in there with you tomorrow to beat you.

00:01:21.000 That's always going to happen though, isn't it?

00:01:23.000 With everybody, anybody who's a champ.

00:01:26.000 Imagine doing that five, six, seven times over and over like these guys, George St. Pierre for decades have done.

00:01:33.000 It just gets overwhelming because it's like nothing's ever good enough for you guys.

00:01:38.000 I can't go out there, put on a flawless performance, win, and just have you guys say, you know what, he's the best.

00:01:44.000 No, it's like, you were good, but yeah, this guy's going to beat you.

00:01:48.000 This guy's good enough to beat you.

00:01:50.000 Well, there's always going to be a certain percentage of people that are not happy with anything.

00:01:54.000 I saw a lot of people that were tweeting and talking shit about Conor after he just won flawless victory, 40-second knockout of Donald Cerrone.

00:02:02.000 And they were like, that doesn't prove shit.

00:02:04.000 He's going to fall apart if he fights anybody good.

00:02:06.000 As soon as he gets in there with a wrestler, this and that, blah, blah, blah.

00:02:09.000 It's like, some people are just negative.

00:02:11.000 Absolutely.

00:02:12.000 You can't fix them.

00:02:13.000 You just got to accept them the way they are.

00:02:15.000 Just like...

00:02:15.000 I know.

00:02:16.000 And it's one of the advice that Rashad gave me early on is make friends with this.

00:02:22.000 Make friends with...

00:02:23.000 Because you get worked up before a fight.

00:02:26.000 So he's like, no, make friends with that feeling.

00:02:29.000 Because that's a good feeling.

00:02:31.000 Or you're backstage before you fight and you're super nervous.

00:02:34.000 You want to take a shit.

00:02:35.000 You want to pee.

00:02:36.000 You pee like 50 times.

00:02:38.000 You're barely drinking water, but somehow there's some kind of pee coming out.

00:02:42.000 And he's like, no, make friends with that feeling.

00:02:44.000 The moment you accept that feeling, it's not that big of a burden anymore.

00:02:49.000 Rashad's a wise man.

00:02:50.000 Super wise man.

00:02:51.000 That's a very wise piece of advice.

00:02:55.000 Because you can really change your perception based on how you approach something and just deciding, this is alright, this is a part of the process, this is what's up, this is how it works.

00:03:04.000 It's big for me right now.

00:03:05.000 It's very, very big for me because I'm a creature of a routine.

00:03:09.000 I love having a routine.

00:03:12.000 And it's a fine line between routine and obsessive compulsive.

00:03:17.000 It's a very, very fine line.

00:03:19.000 And it started on for me early on.

00:03:21.000 When I started to succeed in wrestling, I was like, okay, this is my routine.

00:03:26.000 Okay, I'm looking at the, okay, I'm 10 matches out.

00:03:29.000 So that means I need to get up.

00:03:31.000 And I need to warm up.

00:03:32.000 My warm up was the same.

00:03:33.000 I'm going to jog back and forth twice.

00:03:35.000 Before I skip back and forth twice.

00:03:38.000 Before I do my lunges back and forth twice.

00:03:40.000 Before I do my stance in motion back and forth twice.

00:03:44.000 It was that routine.

00:03:45.000 I had to do it at that time.

00:03:47.000 I'm going to the restroom.

00:03:48.000 I need to pee before I go for this match.

00:03:50.000 But I'm going to go into the same bathroom.

00:03:52.000 I'm going to go into the same stall.

00:03:55.000 I'm going to pee and I'm going to come out.

00:03:57.000 I'm going to use the same sink to wash my hands.

00:04:00.000 Get one or two paper towels, throw it away, go back out.

00:04:04.000 It got to a point where it's like, that's my routine.

00:04:09.000 I go out there and I perform and I win.

00:04:10.000 I'm like, yeah, that's why I'm performing.

00:04:12.000 So it's like OCD. There's a fine line.

00:04:15.000 So I had to realize that that's a fine line because it's not necessarily OCD because when it becomes obsessive compulsive is when, for me, is when you feel like you can't succeed unless you do those things.

00:04:27.000 Right.

00:04:28.000 So it's like, dang, I forgot to do that.

00:04:30.000 Oh, I'm going to lose.

00:04:31.000 I'm going to lose.

00:04:32.000 No, I had to learn how to control it early because that's my routine.

00:04:36.000 But even if I didn't do that, I didn't have enough time to do that, because sometimes you don't have enough time to do it.

00:04:41.000 Something goes out of whack, matches end early, but you don't have enough time to get your routine in.

00:04:46.000 So I had to be able to adjust my mind.

00:04:48.000 Okay, we still go out there and perform.

00:04:51.000 Especially in the fight game.

00:04:52.000 You go out, there's two quick knockouts, boom, boom, boom.

00:04:55.000 You thinking you've got 30 minutes to warm up.

00:04:57.000 No, they're coming back.

00:04:58.000 You got 10 minutes!

00:05:00.000 It's like, oh, I got 10 minutes.

00:05:02.000 I can't get my whole routine in.

00:05:03.000 How much time do you need?

00:05:05.000 Say if you're in the locker room and before you walk out for the fight, how much time do you need to get everything loosened up?

00:05:13.000 What do you like?

00:05:14.000 I mean, I'm older now.

00:05:17.000 My joints make noises now.

00:05:20.000 Not too crazy because I work out that morning before the fight.

00:05:24.000 That's when I really get the hard work out of it.

00:05:26.000 You have a hard workout the day of the fight.

00:05:28.000 Yeah, the day of the fight, I work out in that morning.

00:05:31.000 All my coaches, my training partners, everybody, we go in and we get a good sweat.

00:05:36.000 I like to blow it all out because the night before, I don't.

00:05:38.000 Because that's the day of weigh-ins.

00:05:40.000 So you just cut.

00:05:41.000 That Thursday night, you cut the weight, dehydrated.

00:05:45.000 You weigh in that Friday morning.

00:05:47.000 So that Friday is dedicated to just rehydrating and eating.

00:05:52.000 How much do you cut?

00:05:54.000 I don't get that.

00:05:55.000 That last fight was probably one of the biggest.

00:05:59.000 I stayed throughout.

00:06:01.000 And I think I was up to about 197. But when I start really full-fledged, going two days in camp, I try to keep my weight around 192, 191. Because that's where I feel strong.

00:06:14.000 But not my fastest.

00:06:16.000 Because I've seen you walk around in between fights.

00:06:18.000 I'm like, how the fuck does that guy make 170?

00:06:21.000 It's fake.

00:06:23.000 It's just...

00:06:24.000 What are you talking about?

00:06:26.000 They're air muscles.

00:06:27.000 Bullshit.

00:06:28.000 I do a couple of...

00:06:29.000 No, bro, I've hugged you, man.

00:06:30.000 There's no air in those muscles.

00:06:32.000 I've got a back and I do a couple of freaking curls and my arms just swell up.

00:06:39.000 Just swell up.

00:06:42.000 But 197, if you're getting up to 197, you're cutting 27 pounds.

00:06:46.000 Yeah.

00:06:46.000 How much does that take out of you?

00:06:49.000 Well, like I said, I'm a creature of a routine, and I like to get into that routine.

00:06:55.000 So I'm dieting well, eating well.

00:06:58.000 So when I'm down to about 3%, I think it's probably some of the leanest I've been.

00:07:05.000 3% body fat?

00:07:07.000 Really?

00:07:07.000 Is this from calipers or from a dunk?

00:07:09.000 Yeah, from calipers.

00:07:11.000 They say that caliper thing's not totally...

00:07:12.000 Yeah, of course it's not going to be completely accurate, but around that area, because I just have nothing.

00:07:19.000 I'm just extremely lean.

00:07:21.000 And at that point, I'm 180, I want to say 84, 85 pounds.

00:07:29.000 So you're just cutting 15 pounds of water.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, about, I would say 12. Anywhere from 12 is water.

00:07:38.000 I have an amazing team behind me.

00:07:40.000 You know, amazing strength and conditioning coach, amazing nutritionist.

00:07:44.000 I work with Clint up at the PI now.

00:07:46.000 Is he the one who hooks up the weight cutting and all that?

00:07:49.000 Well, yeah, they help with it, you know, because he lives in Vegas and I'm in South Florida.

00:07:53.000 So me and Clint, we stay in contact, you know.

00:07:58.000 And one thing that I liked about Clinton is the fact that he gave me the time to say, hey, you know, let's really test your body.

00:08:04.000 Look at all this and that, you know.

00:08:06.000 You're the kind of athlete, you carry a lot of muscle and, you know, there's that stigma that if you have a lot of muscle, you run out of gas really, really fast.

00:08:13.000 But the way you work, we got to make sure that you're eating the right way to make sure you sustain that.

00:08:18.000 And of course, my strength and conditioning coach, Dr. Corey Peacock, I mean, PhD and, you know, the...

00:08:24.000 Associate Professor over at Nova University in Exercise Physiology.

00:08:29.000 Smart, brilliant guy.

00:08:31.000 I've been working with him since my first fight in the UFC. And you have particular needs because you've got problems with your knees.

00:08:39.000 So you can't run.

00:08:40.000 Exactly.

00:08:41.000 And that's why I started working with him.

00:08:44.000 Before that, I was working with Jake Bonacci.

00:08:47.000 And Jake is amazing.

00:08:48.000 Jake was an extreme couture for a long, long time.

00:08:52.000 And Jake knew what he was doing.

00:08:54.000 But Jake, you know, the thing with Jake is Jake was a mastermind with, you know, if you're an athlete, all your body parts work.

00:09:01.000 So this is what we need to do to get you tip top shape.

00:09:04.000 And then when Corey came in was after I had that injury because I had a microfracture surgery.

00:09:09.000 And then I had to fight the finale like three and a half months after that.

00:09:13.000 So microfracture surgery is that shit they do to try to rebuild cartilage in your knee?

00:09:17.000 Is that what it is?

00:09:19.000 Yeah.

00:09:20.000 Now some doctors are like, oh yeah, that's from the Stone Age.

00:09:22.000 You don't do that anymore.

00:09:23.000 Really?

00:09:24.000 But when they go in, I guess they create...

00:09:27.000 Tiny little fracture.

00:09:29.000 Right.

00:09:29.000 And whether it's the, you know, for mine was the knee, so either it's the femoral condo or the, I forget what the bone's called, but they try to, tibia, you know, they try to, I guess, let it bleed in and create, you know, the cartilage, you know.

00:09:44.000 Does it work at all?

00:09:46.000 No, it didn't work.

00:09:46.000 I think it actually set me back a big amount.

00:09:50.000 That's right, we talked about that the last time.

00:09:52.000 Have you ever done stem cells?

00:09:54.000 Yeah, I did.

00:09:54.000 I took your advice.

00:09:55.000 I went and did stem cells.

00:09:56.000 Did you do it in Panama?

00:09:58.000 No, I didn't go to Panama.

00:09:59.000 But that doctor did it for me in Dallas.

00:10:02.000 Dr. Neil Reardon?

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 They can do some crazy shit in Panama.

00:10:06.000 A lot of guys, I sent my mom down there twice.

00:10:12.000 Yeah, they told my mom she needed a knee replacement.

00:10:14.000 And I was like, before we do this, let's just see what happens.

00:10:18.000 And it took, you know, my mom's in her 70s, so it took a while.

00:10:21.000 But about eight months in, the pain went away.

00:10:24.000 And then I sent her down for a second time and looks even more improved.

00:10:27.000 What's really crazy is, I saw her over Christmas and she looked younger.

00:10:32.000 Well, yeah.

00:10:33.000 So, I mean, I'm sure it has a lot of different effects, a lot of different ways that that thing could help out.

00:10:38.000 But in my case, the thing about it is I'm so active that it's very, very hard to sit back and just say, oh, man, that worked.

00:10:47.000 Because I'm still kicking every day.

00:10:49.000 I still feel that pain of kicking every day.

00:10:50.000 I still feel that pain of bouncing on my knees, taking shots.

00:10:53.000 If you really wanted to heal up, you're going to have to take some time off.

00:10:57.000 But that's not time I can afford.

00:10:58.000 But what about just swimming?

00:11:00.000 Like, could you do that for a couple months?

00:11:01.000 Just swim only for strength and conditioning and just do that?

00:11:04.000 I do swim.

00:11:05.000 You know, I don't really run a lot.

00:11:07.000 You know, that's the thing with Corey Peacock is when he came in was adjusting me to not being so hard on my knees, you know, working away from that because I haven't really done a back squat since maybe 2014. Yeah.

00:11:22.000 Is that something that's particularly rough on your knees?

00:11:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:25.000 I mean, imagine carrying all that load and squatting.

00:11:27.000 That was bad.

00:11:29.000 And, you know, the Russian split squats and all that, all those were killing my knees.

00:11:35.000 And those were the things that, you know, we're taught to do.

00:11:38.000 For strength.

00:11:39.000 It's like, yeah, I need to be strong and explosive.

00:11:41.000 So I need to squat.

00:11:42.000 I need to do all these things.

00:11:44.000 But, you know, Corey came in and really kind of helped, you know, mold the way that I work.

00:11:48.000 And not necessarily killing all those.

00:11:50.000 We still squat.

00:11:51.000 We'll, you know, we'll switch it up.

00:11:52.000 We'll do the, you know, the kettlebell front squats or we'll, you know, we'll do a bunch of different squats.

00:11:57.000 But he really came in and helped kind of shape the way that I went about it.

00:12:02.000 So...

00:12:02.000 And that's the thing that I always do year-round is I try not to slip on my strength and conditioning because I know I have a lot of muscles and at the same time I got to keep...

00:12:11.000 That's also a part of your style, right?

00:12:12.000 Your style is you push a pace.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, I got to push that pace and a lot of guys are strong right away.

00:12:18.000 Like the one that hit you and it's like, oh man, that guy's strong.

00:12:22.000 But what about the guy that hits you and then keeps going because a lot of guys can't maintain that and sustain that.

00:12:28.000 And that's where I like to think I have an edge over everybody.

00:12:31.000 And so this strength and conditioning coach that you've been working with from the beginning, what's a regular routine for you?

00:12:38.000 What kind of shit does he have you do?

00:12:39.000 Dr. Peek, okay, so we just started getting back in there.

00:12:46.000 Literally last week.

00:12:48.000 So you took a little time off.

00:12:49.000 How's your hand?

00:12:50.000 Your left hand.

00:12:51.000 That's the thing.

00:12:51.000 I went and...

00:12:53.000 I know the doctor's going to hate me for this.

00:12:55.000 I had a cast on.

00:12:57.000 So then I go to Vegas and I talk to the doctors, the UFC doc and those guys in Vegas.

00:13:05.000 It's not broken.

00:13:06.000 It's just an issue with the ligaments.

00:13:08.000 You can see in this right hand, right here at the bottom of the thumb, you can clearly see the ligaments working there.

00:13:14.000 But in here, there's that bump in between, so they don't come out as much.

00:13:19.000 And that's causing me...

00:13:21.000 I don't have the strength...

00:13:24.000 Being able to pull.

00:13:25.000 And this is a big part of my game.

00:13:26.000 Is if I get around you, I get a body lock, I don't care what you're doing, you're just not getting me off.

00:13:32.000 I've spent years just working on that grip to where you're just not.

00:13:36.000 You're not letting me off until I let off.

00:13:38.000 And so now not being able to do that.

00:13:41.000 But it's healing fast.

00:13:43.000 And I was in Vegas and the doctor was like, we can just cut the cast off and make you a hard, removable one that I can take off on and off so I can shower.

00:13:52.000 Because that was the thing.

00:13:53.000 You're stuck in this cast for four weeks.

00:13:55.000 You can't really shower with it.

00:13:57.000 You got to shower with your arm up in the air.

00:13:59.000 Oh, and your hand stays so bad when it gets out.

00:14:01.000 And then when it itches and I got to stick stuff in there.

00:14:04.000 And psychologically, I started getting a little anxiety with it too because it's like, I can't get this thing off my hand.

00:14:10.000 I need this thing off.

00:14:12.000 Sometimes I'm just laying there, I'm just like, I want it off my hand and I can't get it off.

00:14:16.000 So is it a ligament tear?

00:14:18.000 Is that what it is?

00:14:18.000 It's not a tear.

00:14:19.000 They thought it was a tear at the bottom, but strength is coming back.

00:14:25.000 Maybe a sprain or something?

00:14:26.000 Yeah, it was like a really bad strain.

00:14:28.000 And that bump is still there for some reason.

00:14:30.000 So we're working on it.

00:14:31.000 I'm doing everything.

00:14:32.000 But no fracture.

00:14:33.000 No fracture, which is good news.

00:14:34.000 So I don't have to be out for too long.

00:14:36.000 Yeah, because you sent me the tape of when you hurt in training.

00:14:40.000 So it was one of those things where you hit with the thumb instead of the knuckle?

00:14:44.000 Yeah, I hit it with the thumb because when you've got those big gloves on, you can't really make a full fist, especially when you have wraps.

00:14:51.000 So your hand's kind of in there like this.

00:14:52.000 So you throw a punch the wrong way or somebody comes into you the wrong way.

00:14:55.000 It's like, boom, you hurt it.

00:14:57.000 So I hurt it at one.

00:14:58.000 I'm like, oh, what am I going to do now?

00:15:01.000 So now everything's going through my head.

00:15:02.000 I got this guy that's been talking shit for a while.

00:15:05.000 For years.

00:15:06.000 And everybody in the world is telling me, you have to kill this guy.

00:15:10.000 You can't lose to him.

00:15:12.000 So now I'm going through all this in my mind.

00:15:14.000 I can't be that guy.

00:15:15.000 I can't lose to that guy.

00:15:16.000 I can't lose to that guy.

00:15:18.000 And then it's like, then I'm like, okay, no, it feels a little better.

00:15:22.000 I'm going to spar hard.

00:15:23.000 So I start sparring.

00:15:24.000 Boom!

00:15:24.000 Right away, hurt it again.

00:15:25.000 And a couple of times, I almost cry.

00:15:28.000 And you're getting it taped up hard, too.

00:15:30.000 I'm getting it taped up and everything, but even so, it's still hurting.

00:15:34.000 But then it gets to a point where I'm just like, shit, got to block it out.

00:15:37.000 You know, fight to fight, got to block it out.

00:15:39.000 So I'm in a dressing room, I train, everything's okay.

00:15:42.000 I block it out.

00:15:43.000 I'm not even thinking about it.

00:15:44.000 I'm thinking about going to work.

00:15:45.000 And then I get in there in the first round.

00:15:46.000 I don't even remember.

00:15:47.000 I just remember throwing it.

00:15:48.000 Boom!

00:15:49.000 Something's wrong.

00:15:49.000 Oh!

00:15:50.000 And I'm just like, okay, play it off, play it off.

00:15:53.000 And then props to Kobe.

00:15:54.000 He comes on and he's doing his job.

00:15:58.000 He's fighting me.

00:16:00.000 He's in there landing strikes.

00:16:01.000 And I'm like...

00:16:03.000 Okay.

00:16:04.000 But at some point, I never thought, I'm going to lose this fight.

00:16:09.000 Because I never think like that.

00:16:10.000 It's like, oh, I'm not going to lose this fight.

00:16:12.000 Even if something's not going my way, I'm going to adapt.

00:16:16.000 Wasn't it like the scorecards at the end of the fight were very close?

00:16:22.000 Yeah.

00:16:23.000 I knew it was close.

00:16:27.000 Because for the first time ever...

00:16:29.000 I asked my coaches, did I win that round?

00:16:33.000 I've never in my career done that.

00:16:35.000 I'm the type of guy, even when I was wrestling, I'm the type of wrestler who, I like to run up the scoreboard.

00:16:40.000 I don't like to leave any doubt that I won that round.

00:16:44.000 I'm gonna dominate that round.

00:16:46.000 I'm gonna make sure I won.

00:16:46.000 So in my head, I know I won.

00:16:48.000 I don't need to ask.

00:16:49.000 For the first time in my career, I went back.

00:16:51.000 I'm like, did I win that round?

00:16:53.000 Did I win that round?

00:16:54.000 But even by me asking that, I never thought, oh, I'm not going to finish this fight.

00:17:00.000 I always knew I was going to finish the fight.

00:17:02.000 But I just was like, did I win that?

00:17:05.000 Did I win that?

00:17:06.000 I don't know why.

00:17:07.000 I don't know how or what was going on in my head.

00:17:09.000 But for some reason, I was asking.

00:17:11.000 So I knew the fight was close.

00:17:13.000 It was a good fucking fight, man.

00:17:14.000 It was a good fight.

00:17:15.000 The thing about Colby is he tricks you.

00:17:18.000 Into thinking he sucks.

00:17:20.000 Because he's got a goofy suit on, and he talks crazy, and he wears the MAGA hat, and all that stuff.

00:17:27.000 But then, if you didn't see any of that, if you just watched him fight, you're like, that motherfucker puts a pace on people.

00:17:33.000 When he did to Robbie Lawler, I was like, good lord.

00:17:36.000 Nobody does that to Robbie Lawler.

00:17:38.000 He put a fucking pace on him.

00:17:40.000 He just stayed on him.

00:17:41.000 Guys have wrestled him before Robbie.

00:17:44.000 Got a hold of him, dragged him down, tried to stall him out.

00:17:49.000 That's not what Kobe did.

00:17:51.000 Kobe just stuck on him like glue and just put that pace on him.

00:17:54.000 Yeah, I mean, he really showed, you know, like how good he is.

00:17:59.000 And I mean, I give respect and respect to him.

00:18:01.000 I'm no hater.

00:18:03.000 You know, I know this kid can fight.

00:18:04.000 I know he was good.

00:18:05.000 I know he was tough.

00:18:06.000 And I know he's a competitor as well.

00:18:07.000 He's always been a competitor.

00:18:08.000 I knew guys that weren't wrestling teams with this guy, you know, besides Jon Jones.

00:18:12.000 I knew other guys, you know, that I'm good friends with that wrestled with him.

00:18:16.000 So I've always known that he was a competitor, that he was going to come out and try to compete.

00:18:21.000 But like I said, mentally, I think I'm just on a different level than these guys just because everything that I've been through, that I've done in my life has shaped me into the man that I am.

00:18:32.000 So mentally, I'm just on a different level than him.

00:18:35.000 We have to have that attitude, right?

00:18:37.000 Yeah, and I felt it.

00:18:40.000 I knew it and I felt it.

00:18:41.000 And now more so than ever because now you've got all the fans.

00:18:48.000 He's got his fans.

00:18:50.000 Everyone has fans.

00:18:52.000 That are going to talk shit to you.

00:18:55.000 Well, there was the first time that you had a close fight in the UFC, which is kind of crazy.

00:19:01.000 I mean, think about your career.

00:19:02.000 It's pretty fucking nuts.

00:19:03.000 I mean, you win the title over one of the best welterweights of all time, Tyron Woodley, and you just dominate him, right?

00:19:08.000 You think about all the other guys, Dos Anjos, all those guys you smashed.

00:19:12.000 I mean, you had a crazy run up to the title, and then a crazy title winning effort, and then this was the first time we saw you in a very close fight.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, I mean, and attest to him too, like, he's a tough guy.

00:19:27.000 He's tough as fuck.

00:19:27.000 At the end of the day, you know, to make fantastic fights, you gotta have the right dance partner.

00:19:32.000 Yes.

00:19:34.000 Frazier needed Ali.

00:19:35.000 They need each other.

00:19:36.000 And he was their right dance partner.

00:19:38.000 And to be honest with you, you know, if I didn't take too much out of him, because each fight takes something from you, you know, internally.

00:19:45.000 So if I didn't take too much from him...

00:19:48.000 I think I might see him again, to be honest, because it's clear that we are the two best guys in the division.

00:19:53.000 And so, yeah, I mean, I look forward to seeing him again.

00:19:57.000 I think you guys will see each other again.

00:19:59.000 I do.

00:20:00.000 I'm really interested to see what happens with Tyron and Leon Edwards.

00:20:03.000 You know, they're fighting next.

00:20:04.000 That's a big fight.

00:20:06.000 A very hard fight for both guys.

00:20:08.000 It is.

00:20:08.000 It's a...

00:20:11.000 It's a hard fight for both guys, but stylistically it matches up well for both guys because Tyron has a lot of successes with Southpaw guys.

00:20:21.000 He's got that cannon in his right hand and Tyron is very, very good when guys don't completely dominate and control what's going on.

00:20:31.000 And Leon Edwards has done better at that with guys that he feels like he can keep up with.

00:20:36.000 But with a guy like Tyron Woodley that can wrestle like Tyron Woodley, that's got power like him, I wonder how he's going to do.

00:20:43.000 Well, I feel like Leon gets the least amount of attention when it comes to top-flight, world-class fighters.

00:20:49.000 He's a top-flight, world-class fighter, but he gets the least amount of attention out of those guys for whatever weird reason.

00:20:55.000 Yeah, it's...

00:20:55.000 I mean, it's the era that we live in.

00:20:57.000 I mean, this is the first fight.

00:20:59.000 Like, if you really think about it, this is the first fight you're actually starting to hear his voice.

00:21:03.000 Right.

00:21:04.000 It's like, who is Leon Scott or Edward, whatever his name is.

00:21:08.000 Well, the biggest thing with him was when he had a fistfight with Masvidal.

00:21:12.000 Like, when they had that scrap.

00:21:14.000 It wasn't a fistfight.

00:21:15.000 Like, Masvidal just cracked him.

00:21:16.000 Whatever that guy, whatever his name is, you know.

00:21:19.000 I mean...

00:21:21.000 You know, you openly said it, you have one of the best sucker punches in the game.

00:21:25.000 And the best 40-yard dash.

00:21:27.000 So you go in there, you sucker punch somebody backstage, and you run out of there, and they rush you out of London before it.

00:21:32.000 Them Brits can get a hold of you before the London boys came back.

00:21:36.000 You know, so...

00:21:37.000 I mean, yeah, that's kind of, unfortunately for Leon, that's kind of crazy, too, because when you're in a foreign country and you commit assault, usually they lock you the fuck up.

00:21:49.000 They got him out of there.

00:21:50.000 They got him out of there quick.

00:21:52.000 They got him out of there.

00:21:52.000 But it's weird, like, no charges, no nothing.

00:21:54.000 They got him out of there.

00:21:55.000 But isn't that kind of...

00:21:56.000 Because there's video.

00:21:57.000 It's not like we don't know what happened.

00:21:59.000 And the crazy thing is he gets praised for that.

00:22:02.000 Yes.

00:22:03.000 He made him famous.

00:22:05.000 He gets praised for that.

00:22:06.000 Now imagine I do that over there in London.

00:22:09.000 Or imagine anybody else doing that.

00:22:11.000 Anybody else doing that in London.

00:22:12.000 How did he do it?

00:22:13.000 It's weird.

00:22:14.000 How did Masvidal get away with it?

00:22:16.000 It is weird.

00:22:16.000 Well, with the forces that be, the UFC is very good at what they do.

00:22:21.000 And let's just say they got him out.

00:22:22.000 Let's just say.

00:22:25.000 He's been talking crazy shit.

00:22:27.000 That might be your next fight.

00:22:29.000 What do you think?

00:22:30.000 Do you think that's going to be your next fight?

00:22:32.000 I hope so.

00:22:36.000 I'm the type of guy to where anything you say can and will be used against you inside that octagon.

00:22:41.000 Oh, you're a court of law.

00:22:43.000 Exactly.

00:22:44.000 I'm the judge, the juror, and the executioner in there.

00:22:47.000 And that's how I approach it.

00:22:51.000 Some guys, you just sign the contract to go fight the guys.

00:22:53.000 But I get obsessed with the fact that I want them to say something.

00:22:57.000 I'm waiting for them to say something.

00:22:59.000 It's a little tougher.

00:23:00.000 The guys that don't really have to say anything, they don't have anything negative to say.

00:23:03.000 It's a little tougher to go in there and get angry to fight them.

00:23:08.000 And I look at...

00:23:10.000 I want them to say something.

00:23:11.000 They do an interview that pops up with my Google Alerts on.

00:23:16.000 Someone from my team would tell me, boom, someone did this interview about this, check it out.

00:23:19.000 If I have time, I'll watch it.

00:23:21.000 Oh, he said that?

00:23:22.000 Okay.

00:23:24.000 And this guy...

00:23:27.000 You know what?

00:23:28.000 It's funny to see the way it's shifted.

00:23:32.000 His career has shifted.

00:23:34.000 This guy has been known for a long, long time.

00:23:36.000 A long time.

00:23:38.000 And he was a run-of-the-mill guy.

00:23:40.000 He would win some, lose some, win some, lose some.

00:23:42.000 Not that long ago, he was losing.

00:23:47.000 And credit to his team as well.

00:23:49.000 They've done a good job at...

00:23:52.000 Picking the right fights to really get him to where he is now.

00:23:56.000 But do you know what actually happened?

00:23:58.000 You know, his story, he went on a South American game show.

00:24:02.000 Well, yeah, he was 300 pounds before he went and did that.

00:24:05.000 Was he?

00:24:06.000 He was really fat?

00:24:08.000 Bruh, look at pictures.

00:24:10.000 Really?

00:24:11.000 But wasn't this like post-Wonderboy, wasn't it?

00:24:14.000 Yeah.

00:24:14.000 Was it somewhere around then?

00:24:15.000 Yeah, somewhere around there.

00:24:17.000 I think it was post-Wonderboy right after.

00:24:19.000 But he got fat.

00:24:21.000 Really?

00:24:21.000 Bad.

00:24:22.000 Fat.

00:24:23.000 When I fought Wonderboy...

00:24:25.000 No, when I fought Damien Maia, I think that was like the tail end of the huskiness on his part.

00:24:35.000 But it was...

00:24:37.000 At some point, like, listen, like, everyone's buying into the hype.

00:24:40.000 This is what I'm saying.

00:24:41.000 They've done a good job at creating this hype by picking the fights to where one fight was a gamble.

00:24:48.000 The Ben Askren fight was a gamble.

00:24:50.000 You know, you win that fight, you take all that hype that this guy has, which this guy didn't belong in there in the first place.

00:24:58.000 But previously in his career, early on in his career, you could make the argument that yes.

00:25:03.000 But at that point in his career, he didn't belong in there.

00:25:06.000 But he goes out there, let's say Ben Askren does take him down and does what Ben Askren does.

00:25:10.000 We wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

00:25:12.000 So he goes and that's a gamble on their part and the gamble paid off.

00:25:15.000 He went and they took all that hype from Ben.

00:25:18.000 Then who's the next guy?

00:25:19.000 The guy that, you know, another guy that wins some, loses some, but has a ton of hype because he just fought Conor.

00:25:25.000 Goes in there and fights Nate.

00:25:27.000 Now, that fight turns out the way it did.

00:25:29.000 You get all this hype.

00:25:31.000 Now, you got all these people thinking, oh my god, this guy's a killer.

00:25:36.000 Where has he been?

00:25:37.000 This and that.

00:25:38.000 It's the same guy that was 300 pounds not too long ago.

00:25:42.000 He was not 300 pounds.

00:25:43.000 He was damn near close.

00:25:45.000 I don't think he was ever north of 200. Oh, yeah.

00:25:49.000 Really?

00:25:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:25:52.000 I never saw him fat.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, you should look at pictures.

00:25:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:25:55.000 But, you know, hats off to him.

00:25:56.000 He got the weight off.

00:25:57.000 And, you know, he went over and did his thing.

00:25:58.000 And I'm no hater.

00:25:59.000 I give credit where credit is due.

00:26:01.000 Yeah, but don't...

00:26:02.000 He was always that guy that said, you know what?

00:26:04.000 I'm not this cliche.

00:26:06.000 I'm not playing this character.

00:26:07.000 I'm not doing this.

00:26:08.000 You know, I'm just a real fighter in this.

00:26:10.000 But then you're showing up at fucking press conferences looking like the knockoff of Scarface.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, but don't you think that that's wise?

00:26:18.000 No, it is wise.

00:26:19.000 It's very smart, right?

00:26:19.000 It is wise.

00:26:20.000 It is wise.

00:26:21.000 But say it like it is.

00:26:23.000 Don't sit here and say, oh, these guys are being a gimmick.

00:26:26.000 These guys are doing this.

00:26:27.000 These guys are doing that.

00:26:28.000 You're doing the same damn thing.

00:26:30.000 And then look at what he did that last fight.

00:26:32.000 Oh my God, he took the biggest L of that night.

00:26:34.000 That was corny.

00:26:35.000 You want to wear the robe.

00:26:36.000 You want to stand there.

00:26:38.000 You say he was holding that silver belt.

00:26:39.000 They actually think this is a real belt.

00:26:42.000 The BMF belt.

00:26:43.000 What did you think about that BMF belt?

00:26:45.000 The mediocre fighter belt.

00:26:47.000 They didn't need a BMF belt for this last fight with Conor and Cowboy.

00:26:51.000 They just needed a good matchup.

00:26:52.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:26:53.000 So why does the BMF belt...

00:26:56.000 Is that a one-time thing?

00:26:57.000 Yeah, it was something they created to kind of...

00:26:59.000 I hyped that fight.

00:27:01.000 They needed...

00:27:02.000 Did they really need a belt, though?

00:27:04.000 Did they need a belt?

00:27:04.000 No, they didn't.

00:27:05.000 But, you know, if they get loud enough and Dana hears them and Dana sees that...

00:27:09.000 Dana is a very smart man.

00:27:11.000 Greatest promoter I've ever seen.

00:27:14.000 You know?

00:27:15.000 And to jump on that, like, you know what, shit, let's make him a nice little...

00:27:18.000 Let's make a bad motherfucker belt.

00:27:19.000 Let's make a nice little silver belt, you know, this little replica.

00:27:22.000 Is it silver?

00:27:23.000 Instead of gold?

00:27:24.000 Yeah, it's like a silver, purplish color.

00:27:27.000 Pull a picture of it.

00:27:28.000 I want to see that thing again.

00:27:29.000 It's a beautiful belt.

00:27:31.000 What?

00:27:31.000 It's a beautiful belt.

00:27:32.000 The UFC belt is beautiful.

00:27:33.000 Well, that's more beautiful.

00:27:34.000 That's more...

00:27:35.000 It's like saying, like, you know, I mean, you look at a new Corvette, you go, that's a beautiful car.

00:27:39.000 And then you look at a Ferrari, you go, oh, that's a better looking car.

00:27:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:42.000 That's better looking.

00:27:43.000 Or a Bentley.

00:27:44.000 Yes.

00:27:45.000 Yes.

00:27:46.000 I want that.

00:27:47.000 It's another level.

00:27:48.000 Yeah, but this one's like the Bentley and then the Honda Civic.

00:27:54.000 I'm just being honest.

00:27:55.000 I'm being honest.

00:27:56.000 It is silver.

00:27:57.000 Look at that thing.

00:27:58.000 Is that silver?

00:27:58.000 Is that copper?

00:28:00.000 No, that's not copper.

00:28:02.000 Sterling silver?

00:28:03.000 It seems kind of goldish in some...

00:28:05.000 I mean, it seems like the lighting.

00:28:06.000 Nah, it's sterling silver.

00:28:08.000 It's like a...

00:28:08.000 I kind of think it's gold.

00:28:10.000 No, it's not gold.

00:28:11.000 Is it gold?

00:28:11.000 No.

00:28:12.000 No?

00:28:12.000 It's not gold.

00:28:13.000 It's not gold.

00:28:14.000 It's bronze.

00:28:14.000 Is it bronze?

00:28:16.000 Is it?

00:28:16.000 It's not even silver.

00:28:17.000 It's not even second place.

00:28:18.000 It's bronze, huh?

00:28:20.000 I mean, this is like, honestly, this is like a participation medal.

00:28:24.000 You know how when you do the field day in school and they give you the participation medals?

00:28:27.000 They're like, here you go, kid.

00:28:28.000 You did a great job.

00:28:29.000 And that's what this is.

00:28:30.000 Well, if you beat him, do you get that belt too?

00:28:32.000 I want that shit.

00:28:33.000 I want it.

00:28:34.000 What would you do with it if you had it?

00:28:35.000 Would you wear both of them?

00:28:36.000 No.

00:28:37.000 What would you do with it?

00:28:37.000 Just put it aside?

00:28:38.000 Put it in my closet.

00:28:42.000 I would just put it in my closet.

00:28:44.000 I would just put it in my closet.

00:28:46.000 But it's like, there's no, that means nothing.

00:28:50.000 It was just something to hyperfy.

00:28:52.000 But they ran, his team has ran with it like, yeah, we're the PMF champion.

00:28:58.000 When they called it, when they showed the video of him, when they went to the camera turned to him during the last pay-per-view, the fucking pop was gigantic.

00:29:05.000 Everybody went crazy when they saw him.

00:29:07.000 Yeah.

00:29:08.000 The hype is real.

00:29:09.000 Yeah, the hype is real.

00:29:11.000 It's alive.

00:29:11.000 It's alive and kicking.

00:29:13.000 Oh man, big hype.

00:29:14.000 People love him.

00:29:16.000 But that's the thing is, people love you until they really see what you are.

00:29:21.000 You know, Darren Till had a lot of hype.

00:29:23.000 And shout out to Darren Till.

00:29:24.000 I mean, you know, he's still, you know, growing in the sport.

00:29:27.000 But he had a lot of hype to where people were saying, oh man, this guy's gonna beat Woodley.

00:29:31.000 Right.

00:29:32.000 Like, even at some point, I was like, yo, he might get Woodley.

00:29:35.000 Really?

00:29:36.000 I was like, yeah, he might get Woodley.

00:29:37.000 I thought it was severely disrespectful that they were making him the favorite in that fight.

00:29:43.000 I'm like, you guys are crazy.

00:29:45.000 You're crazy.

00:29:46.000 I mean, this guy's already fought one of the best strikers twice in Wonderboy and beat him both times.

00:29:52.000 Not just that, he was the only one that hurt him.

00:29:54.000 He hurt Wonderboy bad in both of those fights.

00:29:58.000 Wonderboy never hurt him.

00:30:00.000 So you got the guy who's arguably one of the best strikers to ever do it in the welterweight division.

00:30:04.000 I mean, Wonderboy's a fantastic kickboxer.

00:30:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:07.000 Tyron smashed him.

00:30:08.000 You saw what Wonderboy did to Masvidal.

00:30:11.000 Yeah.

00:30:12.000 He outpointed him.

00:30:13.000 Yeah.

00:30:14.000 Good fight.

00:30:15.000 I mean, he dropped him, like, several times.

00:30:16.000 Did he drop him?

00:30:17.000 Yeah, a couple times.

00:30:18.000 Well, Darren dropped him, too.

00:30:19.000 Darren Till dropped Masvidal, too, but Masvidal starched him.

00:30:23.000 Yeah, and, you know, I give credit where credit is due, you know, but, like, Like, I'm saying back to that.

00:30:28.000 Like, yeah, everyone...

00:30:29.000 I was almost like...

00:30:30.000 And you saw...

00:30:31.000 I'm sure Willie was a little afraid in that fight.

00:30:35.000 Because it's like...

00:30:36.000 Do you think so?

00:30:36.000 I don't think so.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, you have to be.

00:30:38.000 I think he...

00:30:39.000 With all the hype they were putting behind him, you have to be.

00:30:42.000 Because at some point, as a champion, and that's what makes you sane as a champion, is that little fear.

00:30:47.000 It's like, wow, they're really sane.

00:30:49.000 Is this kid really good enough?

00:30:50.000 He's the favorite?

00:30:51.000 Is he good enough?

00:30:52.000 Can he beat me?

00:30:52.000 I thought that was so crazy.

00:30:54.000 Sometimes there's odds, and I'm like, this is just, this doesn't make any sense at all to me.

00:30:58.000 I agree.

00:31:00.000 You know, there's certain odds where I'm like, you guys, who's making these odds?

00:31:04.000 Yeah.

00:31:05.000 Beats me.

00:31:06.000 Especially these rankings, too.

00:31:07.000 I'm like, they've got this kid at number three.

00:31:10.000 He hasn't fought number four.

00:31:12.000 He hasn't fought number one, number two.

00:31:13.000 He hasn't fought number five.

00:31:14.000 He hasn't fought number six.

00:31:15.000 I'm like, how in the hell is he in number three?

00:31:17.000 Masvidal's number three?

00:31:18.000 Number three.

00:31:19.000 Well, who makes the rankings?

00:31:21.000 The rankings are weird.

00:31:23.000 Yeah, I don't know who makes the rankings.

00:31:24.000 Because sometimes a guy will beat a guy, and then he'll be below that guy in the rankings.

00:31:28.000 Like, what?

00:31:29.000 Wonderboy put on a clinic versus him.

00:31:32.000 Wonderboy, I think, is...

00:31:33.000 Is he even top 10?

00:31:35.000 I think he might be like 9 or something like that, which I think is insane.

00:31:40.000 Well, the Vicente Luque fight, which was his last fight, I think he was ranked, I want to say 11 or something.

00:31:50.000 Vicente Luque was.

00:31:52.000 Yeah, Vicente is tough.

00:31:54.000 Tough guy.

00:31:56.000 Maybe too tough.

00:31:56.000 Tough fighter.

00:31:57.000 Yeah.

00:31:58.000 Like, a lot of people are gonna have their hands full of Vicente.

00:32:01.000 Oh, he's an animal.

00:32:01.000 You know, an animal.

00:32:02.000 There's a couple guys in division right now, and I see these guys.

00:32:06.000 Jeff Neal is another guy.

00:32:08.000 Oh, he's the one.

00:32:09.000 I see these guys.

00:32:11.000 That's the dark horse.

00:32:12.000 And I'm not taking my eyes off none of these guys.

00:32:14.000 I see all these guys, which is why I can't afford to take five months off to let my knee feel some type of way.

00:32:23.000 Jeff Neal is the most promising to me.

00:32:25.000 I watch that guy move and I'm like, Jesus Christ, he's talented.

00:32:29.000 You know, he was waiting tables just like a year ago.

00:32:32.000 Man, that's his struggle.

00:32:34.000 Yeah, his last fight against Mike Perry, I believe that was his first camp where he didn't have a job.

00:32:40.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:32:41.000 I'm sorry if I'm incorrect.

00:32:42.000 I think that's what John Anik said.

00:32:44.000 And big respect to that.

00:32:45.000 He's fucking talented.

00:32:46.000 Big respect to that because a lot of guys are afraid to even do that.

00:32:50.000 And then you get some of the guys that get in the UFC like, oh, my problem is to solve.

00:32:54.000 I'm good.

00:32:55.000 I'm good now.

00:32:55.000 But they're still struggling.

00:32:57.000 Even when you first get in, you're still making less than minimum wage.

00:32:59.000 When you boil it down, you...

00:33:01.000 You're making less than minimum wage.

00:33:03.000 That's crazy.

00:33:04.000 Yeah.

00:33:04.000 That is so crazy.

00:33:05.000 But it's also like you've got to have good food, right?

00:33:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:08.000 You've got to be able to afford massage.

00:33:11.000 You've got to be able to afford some things.

00:33:13.000 That costs money.

00:33:13.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 If you're in a hardcore training camp, maybe it is better to have a little bit of a job.

00:33:18.000 And I think Jeff was waiting tables.

00:33:20.000 Yeah.

00:33:20.000 To me, it's crazy.

00:33:22.000 It just seems like, where's the money going?

00:33:25.000 How much money is a cage fight worth?

00:33:27.000 It should be worth a lot.

00:33:29.000 It should be worth a lot.

00:33:31.000 Are you fighting on TV? That should be all you need to do.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, now, let me see.

00:33:38.000 My first fight in the UFC, let's say I made 10 and 10. Jesus Christ, that's crazy to me.

00:33:44.000 So, boom, I go and win the fight.

00:33:46.000 $20,000.

00:33:47.000 Boom, I'm like, oh, I got 20 grand.

00:33:50.000 Alright, now, first and foremost, 20% comes up.

00:33:54.000 Manager and gym, boom, off the top.

00:33:56.000 Then taxes.

00:33:57.000 Gone.

00:33:58.000 Taxes.

00:33:59.000 You know, boom, off the top.

00:34:01.000 And then it's like, oh yeah, my daughter just turned one.

00:34:05.000 Her birthday party is going to totally cost $2,500.

00:34:08.000 Oh.

00:34:09.000 Because it's one.

00:34:10.000 You gotta do it big.

00:34:11.000 Yeah.

00:34:11.000 Boom.

00:34:11.000 Off the top.

00:34:12.000 Gone.

00:34:13.000 My car, you know, they've been letting me, you know, kind of pile up that car payment for a while now.

00:34:19.000 So I need to pay that and the insurance, everything that's backed up.

00:34:22.000 So that's like $3,200.

00:34:24.000 Boom.

00:34:24.000 Off the top.

00:34:25.000 Money's all gone.

00:34:26.000 Everything's gone.

00:34:27.000 Within two weeks, I sat at home, still living with Rashad.

00:34:31.000 Like, I got $3,200 left.

00:34:33.000 I fought like two and a half weeks ago.

00:34:38.000 What?

00:34:38.000 That's crazy.

00:34:39.000 What just happened?

00:34:40.000 And it's got to last you.

00:34:41.000 Because that's your source of income.

00:34:42.000 That's it.

00:34:43.000 Thank God I got the performance bonus in that fight.

00:34:47.000 How much is the performance bonus?

00:34:49.000 That was $50.

00:34:50.000 They used to give locker room bonuses, right?

00:34:52.000 Is that a thing of the past?

00:34:54.000 It is, but I think...

00:34:58.000 It depends on if you're the right guy and you go out there and do something special on a certain night.

00:35:03.000 I think Dana is still generous enough, depending on his mood, how he's feeling, he's still generous enough to maybe say, you know what, I'll take care of you.

00:35:12.000 Because you see now, he'll just send a couple of guys extra.

00:35:15.000 He's like, man, these guys did great and I'm going to send them bonuses too.

00:35:18.000 So he'll just bonus these guys.

00:35:19.000 That's very cool.

00:35:20.000 Yeah.

00:35:21.000 It's not enough money.

00:35:22.000 It's not enough money for fighting.

00:35:25.000 It's interesting because a boxing match, some people would say, well, that's what boxers get.

00:35:29.000 I don't think boxing is as rough on you.

00:35:32.000 If you're doing a six-round boxing match and you're only making a couple thousand dollars, I kind of get you're moving up the ladder and that's just how it goes, but...

00:35:41.000 The camps that you guys go through when it comes to wrestling, when it comes to submissions, when it comes to kickboxing, there's so much more potential for damage on your body.

00:35:52.000 It's just so much harder.

00:35:54.000 Just getting your legs kicked and just takedowns.

00:35:56.000 Just those two factors.

00:35:58.000 There's so much more beating on your back.

00:36:00.000 Boxers are obviously...

00:36:01.000 Tough as shit, and they obviously have a very difficult job.

00:36:04.000 No one's saying boxing is easy, but comparatively, physically on your body, like a six-round pro boxing match when you're in the preliminaries, as opposed to a UFC fight, a three-round UFC fight can be fucking chaos!

00:36:19.000 And you're only making 10 grand.

00:36:22.000 Imagine losing the fight.

00:36:24.000 Then you only get 10. You only get 10. Then you go home now.

00:36:27.000 Take all the stuff that I just mentioned.

00:36:30.000 You're in the hole.

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:32.000 Well, now imagine you're fighting not even for the UFC. You're fighting for Bellator, right?

00:36:35.000 Yeah.

00:36:35.000 You're making even less than that.

00:36:36.000 Less than that.

00:36:37.000 And I have friends that fight for Bellator.

00:36:40.000 I have friends that fight for other promotions.

00:36:42.000 And my little brother's fighting, too.

00:36:44.000 And so he's making his way up, too.

00:36:46.000 And the one thing about him is I have to keep him somewhat grounded because...

00:36:50.000 He was a big-time football player and potentially still feels like he should be in the NFL. But the thing about that is keeping his mind in where it should be that, hey, this is why it's going to feel good when you start making million-dollar paychecks.

00:37:08.000 It's okay to make one and one now.

00:37:10.000 It's okay to make 2,000 and 2,000 now.

00:37:12.000 How long has he been fighting now?

00:37:14.000 He's fighting, I want to say a year and a half.

00:37:17.000 How long has he been training?

00:37:18.000 A year and a half.

00:37:19.000 Oh, shit.

00:37:20.000 Yeah.

00:37:20.000 So he's just getting into it.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, just getting into it.

00:37:22.000 Oh, that's got to be crazy.

00:37:23.000 Your brother's a fucking champion of the world.

00:37:25.000 Yeah.

00:37:25.000 And you're just kind of getting your wheels greased up and getting on the road.

00:37:29.000 And I try to...

00:37:30.000 Honestly, I try to make it not weird for him because it's...

00:37:35.000 You know, we're a family to where we, like, we're very, very close family.

00:37:39.000 But imagine boys, like, we're all competitive.

00:37:42.000 Boys.

00:37:43.000 Like, if your brother's doing this good, and, like, you want to do it better.

00:37:47.000 Yeah.

00:37:47.000 You know, and I'm imagining how it is for him You know, to have a brother that's the champion to where now you're in the sport that your brother was the champion in.

00:37:55.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 Like, how is that?

00:37:57.000 And I don't ever want to make it weird for him.

00:37:59.000 I want to make it as easy as possible for him because I want him to be...

00:38:03.000 Good for you, man.

00:38:03.000 I want him to be bigger than...

00:38:04.000 Because he's a heavyweight.

00:38:05.000 Now, once he gets...

00:38:06.000 Yeah, once he gets...

00:38:07.000 How big is he?

00:38:08.000 I think he's like 6'2", 255, 260. Jesus.

00:38:12.000 I mean, he's a freak.

00:38:13.000 Jesus.

00:38:14.000 My brother's Diesel.

00:38:15.000 Big, big dude.

00:38:16.000 And if it's...

00:38:18.000 When he gets that striking down and really starts sitting on punches, because he wrestled in high school too.

00:38:23.000 He was a high school state runner-up.

00:38:25.000 When he starts sitting on punches and really putting this, he just got his first standing knockout, his last fight.

00:38:31.000 So when he starts putting these guys to sleep, I think he's going to be a humongous star in the sport.

00:38:35.000 And how old is he?

00:38:36.000 He is 30. That's a weird time to start though, isn't it?

00:38:40.000 He is, but he's so freaking athletic.

00:38:42.000 It's, oh my God.

00:38:44.000 Well, look at Greg Hardy, right?

00:38:45.000 Yeah.

00:38:46.000 Look, if you guys go online, go to his Instagram, at umohamed97.

00:38:51.000 Like, look at some of him and his strength coach are the most outrageous.

00:38:59.000 Funniest guys that you will see online.

00:39:02.000 I mean, it's the fact that he's still a little under the radar.

00:39:05.000 Now, let him get in the UFC and get to where I'm at.

00:39:08.000 Well, you just put him on the radar right now.

00:39:10.000 Every video would be over millions of views.

00:39:13.000 Really?

00:39:13.000 Because they do the most outrageous things.

00:39:16.000 But it works for him.

00:39:17.000 That's him right there?

00:39:17.000 That's him right there.

00:39:18.000 Dude.

00:39:18.000 But it works.

00:39:19.000 It works for him.

00:39:21.000 Oh, my God.

00:39:21.000 Now, you watch him training.

00:39:23.000 Let me see some of this.

00:39:24.000 This is him learning counter.

00:39:26.000 See...

00:39:28.000 He's a big fella.

00:39:29.000 Huge.

00:39:34.000 It's crazy that he's only been doing it a year and a half.

00:39:37.000 Only been doing it a year and a half.

00:39:38.000 So what made him decide to put football aside and start fighting?

00:39:42.000 He was caught in that transition of trying to get into the NFL, trying to get back in as a free agent.

00:39:49.000 Because the NFL, man, you've got thousands of guys that come out for the same position every year.

00:39:56.000 Of course, the NFL wants a newer, fresher, younger guy that they can get for cheaper.

00:40:01.000 The longer you're out, it makes it so much harder to get back in.

00:40:05.000 I can also imagine when you're getting close to 30, these kids are 22, 21, full of piss and vinegar.

00:40:13.000 He still thinks he's 22. My brother still acts like he's still got the energy of a 21-year-old.

00:40:21.000 I mean, he's the whole definition in my mind of what it is to have a lituation.

00:40:27.000 He's always lit.

00:40:29.000 Always.

00:40:30.000 Lituation.

00:40:31.000 He's always lit.

00:40:32.000 Did he come to you and say, hey, Kamaru, I'm thinking about fighting?

00:40:36.000 Did you guys have a conversation?

00:40:38.000 No.

00:40:38.000 That's the weirdest thing about it is...

00:40:40.000 See, I know my brother so well to where, at some point, and he's very prideful too.

00:40:45.000 At some point, he didn't want to, he's not going to say, I kind of like roundabout, I can tell when he's getting into it.

00:40:53.000 Because I brought him, he went, my first ever fight, I brought him to Nebraska with me.

00:40:58.000 And so he goes through all my fights.

00:40:59.000 And I could tell that he was flirting with it.

00:41:01.000 Really?

00:41:02.000 Because he kind of started training a little bit.

00:41:05.000 And I heard him tell a coach, like, yeah, yeah, I think I'm going to just start fighting.

00:41:10.000 And I tried to have that conversation with him, but it's kind of weird with him.

00:41:14.000 It's kind of a weird dynamic, but I love him to death.

00:41:17.000 And...

00:41:18.000 But then when I found out that he was kind of really serious about it, I'm like, okay, let's lay the plan out for you because I want you to get there faster than I did.

00:41:26.000 I want you to have an easier time than I did to get to the top.

00:41:30.000 So he's working his way.

00:41:31.000 He's got great coaches that he's working with right now.

00:41:33.000 Where's he training out of?

00:41:34.000 He's training out of Dallas.

00:41:35.000 He goes out and trains with Saif where Jeff Neal and those guys trains as well.

00:41:40.000 He's got striking coaches, Stephen Wright down there who worked with Johnny Hendricks.

00:41:46.000 Oh, okay.

00:41:46.000 And so, yeah, he's learning.

00:41:48.000 He's learning fast.

00:41:49.000 And of course, his strength coach out there.

00:41:51.000 Do you train with him at all?

00:41:54.000 Not a lot.

00:41:55.000 We haven't really trained a lot together because I'm in Florida and I'm traveling so much.

00:42:01.000 But I'm in the process to where I'm going to start getting him to Florida more and more now because now he's learning more.

00:42:09.000 Now he knows the ground a little bit.

00:42:11.000 Now he's striking and starting to pick up because the worst thing I want to do is bring him into a camp full of killers like in our gym And have them discourage him.

00:42:21.000 Right.

00:42:22.000 And I would hate to do that.

00:42:24.000 Yeah.

00:42:24.000 Because he's so talented.

00:42:26.000 He's so athletic.

00:42:26.000 I don't want to stun that so early.

00:42:29.000 But now it's getting to the point where I can bring him in for months at a time to see where he's at.

00:42:36.000 Because he thinks he can fly tomorrow.

00:42:40.000 But I want him to walk first.

00:42:42.000 That's such an important factor of not discouraging a guy, but also testing him.

00:42:46.000 It's a fine line, right?

00:42:47.000 Yes, very, very fine line because you have to be tested.

00:42:50.000 Because if you're never really tested, the worst place that you want to get tested is inside that cage.

00:42:55.000 I'm a firm believer that there's nothing worse than being locked in a cage, getting the shit beat out of you, and there's nothing you can do about it.

00:43:03.000 So I would hate for that to happen to him.

00:43:05.000 Yeah.

00:43:06.000 And it happened to me in practice before I got there.

00:43:12.000 I don't forget the moment at all.

00:43:14.000 And so I don't want that to happen to him inside that case.

00:43:19.000 Yeah, it's got to be strange seeing your brother just getting the ball rolling and just getting into it.

00:43:26.000 It's a good feeling, though.

00:43:27.000 It's a really good feeling seeing him kind of pick it up.

00:43:31.000 How many fights has he had now?

00:43:32.000 I think he's 6-1 now.

00:43:34.000 Oh, wow.

00:43:34.000 Yeah, 5-1 or 6-1 now.

00:43:37.000 And so it's...

00:43:38.000 So he's got off to a quick start.

00:43:40.000 Yeah.

00:43:40.000 He's having quite a few fights.

00:43:41.000 Yeah.

00:43:42.000 But that's the thing is, you know, you don't want to...

00:43:45.000 You know rake in all this fight and be 10-0, you really haven't fought in the world, you really haven't been tested, and then you get there and then you get beat up.

00:43:51.000 You're like, oh man, now you're second guessing yourself.

00:43:54.000 Yeah, that's the difference, and we were talking about this the other day, the difference between the boxing way of raising a fighter versus the UFC. Really, you don't get a chance to pick your fights.

00:44:05.000 The UFC, in a boxer's career, the manager would say, okay, let's try you with a guy who's longer, who's got a good jab.

00:44:13.000 Okay, we did that.

00:44:14.000 Let's try you with a guy who likes to stay glued to your chest.

00:44:16.000 Let's test him with this.

00:44:17.000 Let's get him in there with a journeyman who's a little slippery, who's got some good experience, and let's give you some seasoning.

00:44:23.000 The UFC is like, do you want this fight?

00:44:25.000 Yeah.

00:44:26.000 Like, hey, you want to fight Jon Jones on 18 days' notice?

00:44:30.000 Like, what?

00:44:30.000 Yeah.

00:44:31.000 See, boxing's been around so long.

00:44:33.000 There's so many boxers that you can pick from.

00:44:37.000 Because everyone does that.

00:44:40.000 There's long guys that are journeymans that have a lot of losses.

00:44:43.000 Some guys that are kind of 500. You can kind of just pick the guys.

00:44:47.000 And then you have the promising guy that you're trying to build.

00:44:49.000 And then you can just kind of pick guys around him.

00:44:51.000 MMA is not really like that yet because it's still so new.

00:44:56.000 Everybody's trying to be a champion.

00:44:58.000 So it makes it difficult to be able to pick guys.

00:45:02.000 And on top of it, then you get to the UFC where it's like, this is a fight.

00:45:06.000 Yes or no, which I have gotten a call, hey, you're going to go to Brazil and you're going to fight this guy.

00:45:11.000 If you say no, all right, we're going to extend your contract.

00:45:13.000 If you say yes, all right, I can see you there.

00:45:16.000 Yeah, it's weird, right?

00:45:17.000 You can't negotiate like you can with a normal promoter.

00:45:20.000 No.

00:45:21.000 That's very...

00:45:21.000 No.

00:45:23.000 So we were talking about your strength and conditioning because of your knees, and we kind of got sidetracked.

00:45:27.000 What kind of stuff does he have you doing to replace running?

00:45:31.000 Oh, to replace running?

00:45:33.000 I work in the pool a lot.

00:45:35.000 I run a lot in the pool and I swim too.

00:45:40.000 I'm not the best swimmer in the world, but I get in there and I get after it and I get tired.

00:45:46.000 You know those things that GSP uses where he has these things that he puts on his hands and on his feet?

00:45:52.000 I play with those.

00:45:53.000 What are those things?

00:45:54.000 They create the resistance in the water.

00:45:58.000 You know, so it kind of gives you the resistance, pulling, pushing, and throwing punches with them.

00:46:03.000 It just gives you that extra work that you need.

00:46:05.000 George loves that shit.

00:46:06.000 He loves it.

00:46:07.000 It's like his main training, like strength and conditioning.

00:46:10.000 And I love George.

00:46:12.000 You want that fight?

00:46:13.000 Absolutely.

00:46:13.000 If I could give you a magic wand to Kamaru, you can pick.

00:46:18.000 Bing!

00:46:18.000 Who do you point that magic wand at?

00:46:20.000 GSP all day.

00:46:21.000 GSP. All day.

00:46:22.000 Just for the legend status.

00:46:23.000 Yeah, because George did.

00:46:27.000 He went out the way you're supposed to go out.

00:46:30.000 And he can still do it.

00:46:31.000 He proved it two years ago.

00:46:33.000 He came back and not just do it.

00:46:35.000 Go up a weight class and get it done.

00:46:37.000 He can still do it.

00:46:38.000 He's training.

00:46:39.000 He's one of those guys that's not just going to stop training.

00:46:41.000 He's been training.

00:46:42.000 He's still training.

00:46:44.000 And I know he can compete still.

00:46:46.000 Farras says he's still the best fucking guy he's ever seen.

00:46:49.000 He's like, the guy's still a fucking man right now in the gym, training hard, like nobody could touch him.

00:46:54.000 Yeah, and I like to test that.

00:46:56.000 And big respect to Jordan.

00:46:58.000 This is no disrespect by any means, but there's a reason guys like myself and Khabib want to fight him.

00:47:05.000 It's because we...

00:47:08.000 We want to test ourselves.

00:47:10.000 This is not a matter of disrespect and I want to beat this guy's ass.

00:47:14.000 No, it's George was the best.

00:47:15.000 He did everything the right way and got to the top and walked away and he can still do it.

00:47:22.000 So we want to test ourselves against a guy like that because we pride ourselves on being the best.

00:47:27.000 We've worked tirelessly to get to this point to where it's not necessarily for hype.

00:47:31.000 It's not for the money.

00:47:32.000 Like all that is good.

00:47:33.000 Yes, you know, that's great.

00:47:37.000 But we want to test ourselves against the best to ever do it.

00:47:41.000 And that's what George symbolizes.

00:47:43.000 And of course, myself.

00:47:45.000 He's in my weight.

00:47:47.000 Now I'm the king.

00:47:48.000 He was the king.

00:47:49.000 It's interesting that you would prefer that over Conor.

00:47:52.000 Because I think the Conor fight would be the biggest payday, right?

00:47:54.000 Absolutely.

00:47:56.000 You don't think so?

00:47:58.000 Well, I mean, I don't know.

00:48:00.000 Red Panties Night.

00:48:01.000 That's Red Panties Night.

00:48:02.000 We all love Red Panties.

00:48:04.000 I mean, the last pay-per-view they're saying tracked just below Conor and Khabib.

00:48:09.000 They think it's more than two million pay-per-view buys.

00:48:12.000 Wow.

00:48:12.000 Huge.

00:48:13.000 Huge.

00:48:13.000 His comeback.

00:48:14.000 That motherfucker has charisma.

00:48:16.000 Absolutely.

00:48:17.000 And you can't take anything away from Conor, man.

00:48:19.000 Conor has put himself in that part, in that status.

00:48:24.000 To be that guy and even sometimes I have to think like man like that because some guys get envious of that like How did he do that?

00:48:32.000 Like some guys are just special like that and Connor is that guy.

00:48:34.000 He's special like that.

00:48:35.000 Yeah, you know, so he people just gravitate towards him and he you know special guy but Can you imagine me fighting Connor?

00:48:44.000 Like that wouldn't even be fair It would not be fair like I give everyone has a puncher's chance But it would not be fair.

00:48:52.000 Like you saw what Khabib did to him at 55. Now imagine me doing that to him at 70. And I'm not just going to take him down.

00:49:00.000 I'm going to march forward.

00:49:03.000 I'm going to hit this guy.

00:49:04.000 I'm going to beat on him.

00:49:05.000 I'm going to take him down.

00:49:06.000 I'm going to...

00:49:07.000 I would do some bad things with Conor.

00:49:11.000 And not just because I... It's not that I don't like the guy.

00:49:14.000 I mean, Conor is Conor.

00:49:15.000 You just think that he's a natural 55. Yeah.

00:49:19.000 Yeah.

00:49:19.000 And he fought at 45, and you'd have to chop both your fucking legs off to make 45. When they say impossible, that's absolutely impossible.

00:49:27.000 Literally impossible.

00:49:28.000 Impossible.

00:49:28.000 You'd have to get a tapeworm.

00:49:29.000 Yeah, it would be bad.

00:49:31.000 You ever see me get down to weight?

00:49:35.000 Yeah.

00:49:36.000 I look real African, don't I? You look very thin.

00:49:42.000 See how Joe said that you're very thin.

00:49:44.000 I can tell you're sucking a lot of water.

00:49:47.000 George Lockhart says that big muscular guys like yourself, that it's easier for them to cut weight because your muscle's mostly water.

00:49:54.000 And that's the thing I worked with Corey on.

00:49:59.000 We've been able to keep more muscle on now through camp to where it makes that cut.

00:50:06.000 A lot easier.

00:50:07.000 That's so funny because that's sort of, in a lot of people's eyes, that would be counterintuitive.

00:50:10.000 Like, he was talking about Yoel Romero.

00:50:12.000 And he's like, that's the perfect body for cutting weight.

00:50:14.000 I'm like, that is so crazy.

00:50:16.000 Like, it looks like the guy's got no weight to lose.

00:50:18.000 And Yoel's hard, too.

00:50:19.000 Like, have you ever hugged him?

00:50:22.000 Yes!

00:50:22.000 Like, I hugged him a couple weeks ago.

00:50:26.000 I'm like, Well, Luke Rockhold said when he fought him, he said it feels like he's made out of steel.

00:50:30.000 He was like, even when you hit him, it hurts.

00:50:33.000 I can understand that.

00:50:35.000 Because Luke kicked him.

00:50:36.000 Luke tore up his legs in that fight.

00:50:38.000 And we're in the back, and I'm looking at Luke's shin.

00:50:42.000 It's all torn up.

00:50:44.000 Bleeding, cut up.

00:50:45.000 Was that before the staph infection?

00:50:47.000 Yeah.

00:50:48.000 Is that what caused the staph infection?

00:50:49.000 I don't know.

00:50:50.000 It could have been.

00:50:51.000 Because I think it was at that same leg.

00:50:53.000 His knees, I mean his shin rather, so fucked up.

00:50:56.000 Like he's had skin grafts and all kinds of shit and he still has to put a sleeve over it when he fights.

00:51:00.000 Yeah.

00:51:00.000 It was bad.

00:51:02.000 You know, good thing he's good looking.

00:51:03.000 He's a handsome devil, isn't he?

00:51:06.000 A little too handsome.

00:51:10.000 It's confusing.

00:51:12.000 How are you so good at fighting?

00:51:13.000 You're so beautiful.

00:51:15.000 Can you imagine a good looking guy beating you up?

00:51:17.000 Beating the fuck out of you, too.

00:51:19.000 Not just beating you up.

00:51:20.000 You have zero chance.

00:51:21.000 And then kicking you in the head at the same time you wake up.

00:51:23.000 What happened?

00:51:24.000 Oh no, that good looking guy beat the shit out of you.

00:51:26.000 Beautiful world champion.

00:51:28.000 Like, what?

00:51:28.000 That's not supposed- Beautiful, tall, perfect bone structure world champion.

00:51:33.000 What?

00:51:34.000 And now you walk through every airport or every mall and his face is on colognes.

00:51:40.000 Yeah, with a pretty duck face.

00:51:43.000 The zoo led to steel, blue steel.

00:51:46.000 I mean, that's what he's doing now, right?

00:51:48.000 I mean, he's done.

00:51:49.000 He's basically done fighting, right?

00:51:51.000 For now.

00:51:51.000 I don't know.

00:51:52.000 Luke is one of those weird guys.

00:51:53.000 You can't just say, oh, it's over.

00:51:55.000 Luke is one of those guys.

00:51:56.000 I think he can wake up, get up tomorrow on the couch, like, ah, I want to go train.

00:52:01.000 Let's take a fight.

00:52:03.000 Really?

00:52:03.000 I think he's one of those guys.

00:52:06.000 I don't think it's over for him completely.

00:52:08.000 I think he can still compete.

00:52:10.000 Don't you think that he should be 185, though?

00:52:12.000 Well, here's my thought.

00:52:14.000 Luke's a big guy.

00:52:15.000 He is a big guy, but here's my thought.

00:52:16.000 There should be more weight classes, period.

00:52:18.000 85 to 205 is bonkers.

00:52:20.000 The fact there's a 20-pound gap like that, that's 20 steaks.

00:52:24.000 Think of 20 steaks.

00:52:26.000 That's a giant amount of fucking meat.

00:52:28.000 That's true.

00:52:29.000 Like, you're talking about two different categories of people.

00:52:33.000 10 pounds is reasonable.

00:52:35.000 And, you know, obviously boxing is much less.

00:52:37.000 You know, they have 54, then they have 60, then they have 68. They have weird gaps.

00:52:42.000 Boxing has some strange gaps, like 47, 54. It's weird.

00:52:46.000 But I think 10 is good.

00:52:48.000 Yeah, I agree with you, but then, you know, like, look at boxing.

00:52:51.000 Do you even know all the weight classes?

00:52:53.000 Can you...

00:52:54.000 I don't, because I'm not that much of a fan.

00:52:57.000 I don't know who the champions are in all the weight classes.

00:52:59.000 And then it's, you know, that's the thing about it is...

00:53:03.000 UFC has this mystique right now to where you know the champions.

00:53:07.000 There's only a few weight classes.

00:53:09.000 Now you start adding to that, which I agree there should be more.

00:53:14.000 Does that dilute everything that's going on?

00:53:16.000 Which I don't think it will because I thought once...

00:53:20.000 When the UFC went to change and left Fox or left this, I'm like, oh man, this is going to die out.

00:53:28.000 Did you really?

00:53:29.000 I was like, man, I don't know if this sport is going to keep going the way it is.

00:53:33.000 Or when they sold to WME, I'm like, I don't know if this is going to keep going.

00:53:37.000 It's one of those things.

00:53:38.000 It's an original sport.

00:53:40.000 It doesn't matter where you're at.

00:53:41.000 Everybody speaks fighting.

00:53:43.000 Yes.

00:53:43.000 Well, I felt like when they went to ESPN, I'm like, Jesus, this is perfect.

00:53:47.000 It's going to be bigger.

00:53:48.000 I thought it was an amazing move.

00:53:50.000 ESPN? It's proven to be that right now.

00:53:52.000 Everybody watches ESPN. Yes.

00:53:55.000 I mean, it's on every fucking bar all over the country.

00:53:57.000 Everywhere.

00:53:58.000 It's just too big of a network.

00:54:00.000 Also, Fox had all sorts of other shit going on, too.

00:54:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:04.000 And then fighting.

00:54:05.000 But ESPN is all sports.

00:54:07.000 There's no distraction.

00:54:09.000 You go there looking to watch some shit.

00:54:11.000 Either you're watching a game or you're watching a fight.

00:54:15.000 Dana Hess came out and said that was the plan.

00:54:18.000 That's what he wanted to get to.

00:54:20.000 I was worried about the ESPN Plus shit.

00:54:22.000 When they went all pay-per-views to ESPN Plus, I was like, oh no.

00:54:25.000 This could be a disaster.

00:54:27.000 But it's not.

00:54:28.000 Well, I mean, when you've got guys like Conor, he's an outlier.

00:54:32.000 He can still do numbers.

00:54:36.000 But I love it because I can watch it on my phone.

00:54:38.000 That's what I love.

00:54:39.000 Because sometimes I have to do some family shit or something like that.

00:54:42.000 I can sneak away if there's a big fight.

00:54:44.000 And I can watch it.

00:54:45.000 I just put the headphones on and watch it on my phone.

00:54:47.000 But it makes sense because the world is shifting to that.

00:54:50.000 Everybody's streaming now.

00:54:51.000 Everything's streaming.

00:54:52.000 Everything is streaming.

00:54:52.000 So it makes sense for them going that route.

00:54:55.000 Initially, for guys like myself, it didn't make sense.

00:54:59.000 But, you know, at the end of the day, you just kind of have to...

00:55:01.000 Do you mean in terms of, like, the amount of money that you can make?

00:55:04.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:55:05.000 Was it a significant cut?

00:55:07.000 Well, initially, it's going to be because now you go from where the average Joe is just like, oh, you know what?

00:55:12.000 Let's watch some UFC today.

00:55:13.000 I see it on my cable.

00:55:15.000 All right, just order.

00:55:15.000 Boom, right there.

00:55:16.000 Order.

00:55:17.000 To where now you got to get online and you got to, you know, order it.

00:55:19.000 You got to buy this, buy the subscription and all of that.

00:55:22.000 To where it made it tough because, you know, people are lazy.

00:55:26.000 People don't want to do that extra work.

00:55:27.000 It's like, oh, I can't.

00:55:28.000 Oh, fine.

00:55:28.000 Screw it.

00:55:29.000 I don't care about it.

00:55:30.000 So, of course, it hit the numbers really, really hard, but I think eventually it's going to level out and, you know, it's going to make sense.

00:55:37.000 Yeah, I think so too.

00:55:38.000 I think more people are having those smart TVs where you can just download apps.

00:55:44.000 I use Apple TV, which is the shit.

00:55:47.000 You can just get everything.

00:55:47.000 You can get DAZNED. You can get anything.

00:55:49.000 ESPN, UFC, Fight Pass.

00:55:52.000 Too much?

00:55:53.000 It's too much.

00:55:54.000 You've got Apple TV. You've got Amazon TV. You've got Hulu.

00:55:58.000 You've got Netflix.

00:55:59.000 I have 10 different subscriptions and I'm paying for cable to where it's like...

00:56:06.000 This is crazy.

00:56:07.000 This is ridiculous.

00:56:08.000 Well, they're trying to battle it out, right?

00:56:11.000 Disney Plus and then HBO's got...

00:56:13.000 What is HBO's called?

00:56:14.000 HBO Max?

00:56:15.000 HBO Max.

00:56:16.000 And now they're all linking up with musical guys as well.

00:56:20.000 Amazon's got Amazon Music.

00:56:22.000 One of them is with Pandora.

00:56:24.000 The other one's with Spotify.

00:56:28.000 It's a battle right now with all these guys.

00:56:31.000 Yeah, it is interesting.

00:56:33.000 It's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.

00:56:35.000 I was really shocked when HBO got out of boxing.

00:56:38.000 I was like, I can't believe that.

00:56:40.000 From when I was a kid, HBO boxing was the shit.

00:56:45.000 Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant.

00:56:48.000 That's how it was back in the day.

00:56:52.000 You always knew.

00:56:53.000 George Farmer was doing commentary.

00:56:55.000 Roy Jones Jr. was doing commentary.

00:56:57.000 Yeah.

00:56:58.000 I think when the figureheads change, I think that makes a big difference.

00:57:04.000 Yeah.

00:57:05.000 The people that are calling the shots when they, you know, because HBO, you see that as something that's like a generational type of deal.

00:57:11.000 Like that's the big boss.

00:57:14.000 It's not just, you know, yeah, you be the boss now.

00:57:16.000 I think that's something that's passed down.

00:57:18.000 So when the next guy in line is not, you know, with boxing, then they're going to slowly pull out with the sport.

00:57:26.000 It's just such a tradition.

00:57:28.000 Boxing on HBO was such a tradition.

00:57:30.000 Yeah.

00:57:30.000 It was so, it was a part of HBO. Yeah.

00:57:33.000 Yeah, it was.

00:57:34.000 And I mean, thinking back, all those big, big fights, the Tyson era, all these guys, George Jones Jr. All that was on HBO. Yeah, and so it's...

00:57:44.000 Max Kellerman.

00:57:45.000 It's crazy how it's gone now.

00:57:47.000 Yeah.

00:57:48.000 That's weird.

00:57:49.000 Yeah.

00:57:49.000 Speaking of Tyson, I spent some time with him not too long ago.

00:57:52.000 Did you get high as fuck?

00:57:57.000 No.

00:57:58.000 You don't have to say.

00:57:59.000 Just go, no.

00:58:02.000 I did their podcast, the hot boxing.

00:58:04.000 Did you get hot boxed?

00:58:05.000 I think I did.

00:58:07.000 I think I caught some contact.

00:58:08.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:58:09.000 They were all smoking in there.

00:58:11.000 I walked out of there feeling lighter.

00:58:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:14.000 I felt so much lighter.

00:58:15.000 I feel great.

00:58:18.000 Getting high with Mike Tyson and doing a podcast was one of the weirdest moments of my life.

00:58:22.000 Really?

00:58:22.000 Yeah, man, because I idolized him as a kid.

00:58:25.000 And here I am, I'm sitting across from him.

00:58:27.000 Dude, when I was young, and Mike Tyson was the champ, he was a fucking icon.

00:58:33.000 It was different.

00:58:33.000 Still that way.

00:58:34.000 Yeah, but what I'm saying is when he was the champ, it was different than any other champ.

00:58:39.000 People forget the heavyweight division back there was stagnant.

00:58:43.000 It was stagnant.

00:58:45.000 Nobody cared.

00:58:45.000 Larry Holmes was a phenomenal boxer, but Larry Holmes had beaten Muhammad Ali, and no one ever forgave him.

00:58:53.000 He beat the fuck out of Ali, and it was when Ali was already done, and everybody felt sad that now Larry Holmes was the champ, and they didn't appreciate him.

00:59:04.000 And then the people that Larry Holmes fought, they were kind of lackluster.

00:59:08.000 No one was really...

00:59:09.000 No one stood out as being this fucking guy.

00:59:11.000 And then when Spinks beat him by decision, it's like the whole division was just stagnant.

00:59:17.000 And then Tyson came along, and you weren't even watching a fight.

00:59:21.000 You were watching an execution, and you were watching an event.

00:59:25.000 Like, everybody wanted to watch a...

00:59:27.000 And we'd get mad.

00:59:28.000 It would only last 30 seconds.

00:59:29.000 Like, fuck!

00:59:30.000 Yes.

00:59:30.000 And that's...

00:59:32.000 Those guys are special.

00:59:33.000 Yeah.

00:59:34.000 Which is, I believe, what we're witnessing with Conor.

00:59:37.000 There comes guys that are special who may not win all the time because towards the end of Tyson's career, it didn't win all the time.

00:59:45.000 Right.

00:59:45.000 But he was still that special.

00:59:48.000 Yeah, he was an iconic person.

00:59:50.000 And now being able to hang around him.

00:59:52.000 And I get that feeling that you got, Joe.

00:59:53.000 I get that feeling.

00:59:54.000 I'm so nervous, man.

00:59:56.000 I sat next to Mike.

00:59:58.000 Shout out to those guys at the Tyson Ranch, Rob, and all those guys.

01:00:03.000 Every time I spend time with Mike, I'm just like...

01:00:07.000 That's weird.

01:00:07.000 That's Mike Tyson.

01:00:08.000 He's right there.

01:00:10.000 And he gave us some...

01:00:12.000 Me and Henry Acehudo, that's like my brother now.

01:00:15.000 We spent some time together.

01:00:17.000 We spent some time with Mike and he gave us some crazy advice.

01:00:20.000 What did he say?

01:00:21.000 Important advice.

01:00:22.000 Because we see certain situations.

01:00:24.000 Now as competitors, as fighters, we'll be in the gym and your training partner will just beat the shit out of you one day.

01:00:31.000 And you will leave you feeling like...

01:00:35.000 I suck.

01:00:36.000 I'm not that good.

01:00:37.000 I'm not this guy.

01:00:38.000 I'm not that good anymore.

01:00:40.000 No, I'm sucking.

01:00:42.000 I'm starting to feel that more and more now.

01:00:44.000 When I spar for these big fights, I like to make them kind of like an event.

01:00:51.000 I want to make them feel like I'm going to fight.

01:00:54.000 I don't want music.

01:00:56.000 I don't want this.

01:00:57.000 I want it to be me and just them.

01:00:59.000 When you're in a room and everybody's sparring at the same time, It's a different feel.

01:01:04.000 You don't really get that adrenaline feel, that fight or flight mode.

01:01:07.000 You never feel that because there's so much distractions going on.

01:01:10.000 So many things, so many different sounds that you're hearing.

01:01:13.000 But when it's just you and them, it's a completely different ballgame.

01:01:18.000 So I like to make it feel like that.

01:01:21.000 So I will get beat up some Saturdays.

01:01:23.000 I will just get the shit beat out of me because I've got maybe three, four different guys rotating in on me that my coaches all picked.

01:01:31.000 And it sucks when you get in and you got every round and this guy's just beating on you.

01:01:36.000 My last fight, guys were taking me down and holding me down and just beating on me.

01:01:41.000 And I would go home thinking, man, I suck.

01:01:44.000 I'm not good anymore.

01:01:45.000 This sucks.

01:01:47.000 How do I deal with this?

01:01:48.000 I'm going to lose this fight.

01:01:49.000 This sucks.

01:01:50.000 But somehow, someway, you always turn the corner.

01:01:54.000 When do you feel like the corner gets turned?

01:01:57.000 I know you're big on routine, but do you have it in your head that somewhere around six weeks in, things start to turn?

01:02:04.000 Two and a half, three weeks out.

01:02:06.000 Three weeks out from the fight.

01:02:08.000 So how many weeks into training are you?

01:02:11.000 I'm always training, but I like to do maybe a 10-11 week camp.

01:02:18.000 So for eight weeks, shit might be going bad.

01:02:21.000 Yeah, so you'll have like about eight weeks out.

01:02:24.000 I'm feeling good.

01:02:25.000 Like, you know, I'm still feeling good.

01:02:26.000 I'm still kind of beating these guys up.

01:02:28.000 I'm still kind of doing what I want.

01:02:29.000 Then six weeks, your body's starting to be like, oh man, bro, we've been training for a while.

01:02:34.000 I'm kind of tired.

01:02:35.000 So it's even now.

01:02:37.000 And then you're five, four weeks out.

01:02:39.000 And now you're just getting beat up.

01:02:41.000 Like, these guys are just beating on you.

01:02:42.000 Your body's tired.

01:02:43.000 Your body's like, I'm done.

01:02:44.000 I'm done training.

01:02:46.000 I'm done training.

01:02:47.000 Like, you know, I don't want to do this anymore.

01:02:49.000 And you're getting beat on.

01:02:50.000 And mentally, you're thinking, bro, I'm going to lose this fight.

01:02:53.000 I suck.

01:02:54.000 I'm not good.

01:02:55.000 I suck.

01:02:57.000 And then, I mean, you're mad.

01:02:59.000 I suck bad.

01:03:00.000 I'm cursing myself in the car.

01:03:03.000 Bro, that was trash.

01:03:04.000 And of course, I'm watching the videos recording.

01:03:06.000 How'd you get hit with that?

01:03:08.000 Bro, you're trash.

01:03:09.000 You're bad.

01:03:11.000 You're gonna lose.

01:03:12.000 You're gonna get knocked out in front of thousands of people, bro.

01:03:15.000 And then it's like after about three weeks out, you start to kind of turn the corner because you're getting closer and closer to the fight.

01:03:20.000 And my mind's like, oh, bro, we're getting close to this fight.

01:03:23.000 We're about to fuck this dude up.

01:03:26.000 And then you start turning the corner mentally.

01:03:29.000 You start getting strong.

01:03:30.000 And I started getting stronger and stronger.

01:03:32.000 And then at that point, I'm okay with whatever's gonna happen because my training partners just beat the crap out of me for weeks on in, and I went through that.

01:03:41.000 And we asked Mike, like, Mike, what do you think about this?

01:03:45.000 Like, is this normal, feeling like this?

01:03:48.000 Mike's like, yeah, oh yeah, that's normal.

01:03:50.000 And in a special way, and in his voice, he's like, There were certain times where, you know, you would come in the room in the practice and you'd watch me practice and you would see my training partner just kick the shit out of me.

01:04:03.000 You would think he was the champion.

01:04:05.000 You know, you would think he was the champion, that I was just a scrub in there giving him some rounds.

01:04:11.000 But then you take him out there and you put him under the lights, put 17,000, 20,000 people around him, and he can't do it.

01:04:20.000 And he just can't do it.

01:04:22.000 That's what makes champions champions, being able to deal and handle all the chaotic stuff that happens before, after, and what's happening around them.

01:04:31.000 And so that was just like, man, he's so right.

01:04:35.000 Because some guys, and I've watched several guys in the practice room, Doing techniques, it's like, how is that even possible?

01:04:44.000 Like, hitting you with crazy stuff.

01:04:45.000 But then you put him in there, put him under the lights, and it looks like he's an amateur.

01:04:50.000 That is one of the weird things about gyms, is those guys who are gym killers.

01:04:56.000 Yes.

01:04:56.000 Inside the gym, they are fucking killers, and then, for whatever reason, they can't do it.

01:05:01.000 Can't do it.

01:05:02.000 My thought is always like, can't you teach those guys how to keep it together when it comes to a fight, or is that just something that's inside you?

01:05:08.000 It's something that's inside.

01:05:10.000 Because I've seen guys that they know, like, these guys put on clinics inside the practice room.

01:05:15.000 But then they get out there, they just find a way to lose.

01:05:18.000 They find a way to lose.

01:05:20.000 They can't deal with it.

01:05:21.000 They can't handle the pressure.

01:05:22.000 They can't handle everything that comes with it.

01:05:24.000 They just find a way to lose to where you're just like, how is that possible?

01:05:29.000 Even if the guy's nowhere near their level, they find a way to lose.

01:05:35.000 Yeah, it's a weird psychological characteristic that these gym killers have because you would feel like they would have so much confidence because they do so well in the gym.

01:05:45.000 But some guys, like, the difference between the way they look in the gym and the way they look when they're fighting is, like, who are you?

01:05:51.000 You're not even the same person.

01:05:53.000 You drop in your hands.

01:05:54.000 You get tired real easy.

01:05:56.000 You're all nervous.

01:05:57.000 It's weird.

01:05:58.000 It goes to, I think, because in the gym, you know, they're familiar with you.

01:06:02.000 They know how hard I'm going to hit them.

01:06:03.000 They know if I'm going to come forward or if I'm going to back down, if they hit me with this, this and this.

01:06:08.000 So it makes it easier to be safer in the gym.

01:06:11.000 But then when you got to fight a guy, you don't really know how well he trained.

01:06:15.000 You don't know if he's coming for a war or if this guy's coming for a point fight.

01:06:18.000 So you don't know all of that.

01:06:19.000 All that anxiety plays into it.

01:06:22.000 And it takes a champion's mentality to be able to hone all that control and still go out there and do your job.

01:06:27.000 And some guys just don't have that in them.

01:06:29.000 Yeah and some guys get really wrapped up in the fear of looking bad.

01:06:34.000 Yes.

01:06:36.000 The looking bad is just like hanging over their head.

01:06:38.000 I'm about to get knocked out.

01:06:39.000 Everyone's going to laugh.

01:06:41.000 People are going to make fun of me.

01:06:42.000 They're going to fuck with me.

01:06:44.000 That's very real.

01:06:45.000 Can you imagine me losing a Kobe commentation?

01:06:48.000 Ooh, that would have been the biggest one, right?

01:06:50.000 There was so much shit talking.

01:06:52.000 Oh my god, it was so bad.

01:06:54.000 I'm telling you, I'm in different...

01:06:56.000 I'm in Abu Dhabi.

01:06:58.000 People run up to me in the mall.

01:06:59.000 Man, I can't wait for you to kill this guy.

01:07:01.000 I go, I'm in Brazil.

01:07:02.000 Oh my God, I can't wait for you to kill this guy.

01:07:05.000 I'm in Dominican Republic.

01:07:07.000 They can't even speak English, but they're like, I can't wait for you to kill this guy, my friend.

01:07:13.000 Everywhere.

01:07:15.000 Imagine me going out there and what I was feeling.

01:07:19.000 I took advice from Rashad.

01:07:21.000 I had to really make friends with that feeling and accept it.

01:07:25.000 Well, I'll tell you what, man.

01:07:26.000 At the weigh-ins, when Susie painted the Nigerian flag on your face, and you're staring him down, and you just had this big smile on your face.

01:07:33.000 You look so calm.

01:07:35.000 And I was like, that guy is ready.

01:07:37.000 But you were so composed at the weigh-in.

01:07:40.000 I was like, there's no bullshit.

01:07:42.000 There was no fuck you.

01:07:44.000 There was no emotions.

01:07:45.000 You just had a big smile on your face.

01:07:47.000 Yeah.

01:07:48.000 I mean, at some point, you get to where it's no longer the talking.

01:07:52.000 Like, I get it.

01:07:53.000 You got to sell a fight here and there, you know, this and that.

01:07:56.000 But I try to stay as true to myself as possible.

01:07:58.000 Like, obviously, I understand people want to be entertaining.

01:08:01.000 I'm going to do the best that I can now of selling a fight without going too far out of myself.

01:08:07.000 But when that contract is signed and I know that I have to go in there and take care of business, there's no more of that.

01:08:13.000 Like, I have to be myself.

01:08:14.000 I have to be real.

01:08:15.000 And this guy said a lot of things that were very, very personal.

01:08:19.000 You know, a lot of things about my previous manager, you know, a lot of things about my team, my current manager, you know, and a lot of things about my family and my situation as well, as far as my father, all of that to where it really hit home to where it's The best way for me to teach you a lesson is not by going in there fighting angry.

01:08:39.000 I have to go in there being calculated like my normal self and really teach you a lesson because anything you say can and will be used against you inside that octagon.

01:08:50.000 What was he saying to you?

01:08:51.000 He was talking to you.

01:08:52.000 I couldn't hear it because it was so loud in the arena when you were weighing in.

01:08:56.000 What was he saying to you?

01:08:57.000 I think he was saying, be ready.

01:08:59.000 Hope you're ready tomorrow, Junior.

01:09:01.000 Hope you're ready.

01:09:03.000 I'm coming.

01:09:04.000 I'm coming.

01:09:04.000 Hope you're ready tomorrow.

01:09:05.000 I'm coming.

01:09:06.000 He seemed so calm, too.

01:09:07.000 He had a big-ass smile on his face.

01:09:09.000 He seemed calm, but when I look at these guys, I'm looking for more than just that.

01:09:13.000 I'm reading his body.

01:09:14.000 I'm reading everything.

01:09:16.000 And he's looking at me the whole time.

01:09:17.000 And he did the best.

01:09:18.000 Because I know he's a competitor.

01:09:19.000 He did the best he could to hide his fear.

01:09:22.000 You know, and I was afraid too.

01:09:24.000 I'm afraid.

01:09:25.000 Every one of these fights, you've got to be afraid.

01:09:28.000 But I make friends with it.

01:09:29.000 I'm okay with being afraid.

01:09:31.000 I'm not worried about it.

01:09:32.000 I am okay with that.

01:09:34.000 So I'm watching him.

01:09:35.000 And there's a moment, if you see that Wayne video, the stare down.

01:09:39.000 You know, after we stare down, we stare down, and I'm watching him.

01:09:42.000 I'm watching him the whole time.

01:09:44.000 I'm just watching him.

01:09:44.000 And he's doing his good job.

01:09:45.000 He's trying to stay on me, stay on me, stay on me, stay on me.

01:09:48.000 And then he looks away.

01:09:49.000 And I just read his body.

01:09:51.000 I'm just like, okay.

01:09:52.000 I know how worried he is.

01:09:55.000 I know how worried he is.

01:09:56.000 Isn't it weird like you know that your opponent is worried?

01:10:00.000 You know.

01:10:00.000 Everyone's worried, right?

01:10:01.000 Everyone's nervous.

01:10:02.000 But you've got to kind of see it.

01:10:04.000 Yeah.

01:10:04.000 Because you could fuck yourself in your mind that this guy's not even scared.

01:10:08.000 Yes.

01:10:08.000 I'm scared and he's not.

01:10:09.000 Yes.

01:10:10.000 You can mind fuck yourself even though you know it's not even like everyone before a cage fight has to be nervous.

01:10:16.000 Absolutely.

01:10:17.000 And yeah, it's weird because I'm looking at him and I'm studying him and I'm seeing the level of fear that he has.

01:10:26.000 And, you know, I'm trying to assess the level of fear, whether it's something I can deal with or something that, shit, I'm just going to have to go in there.

01:10:33.000 I have no choice.

01:10:34.000 He looked pretty fucking confident to me.

01:10:35.000 He was very confident, but, you know, I could see how superior I was in there to him.

01:10:42.000 My level of fear and his level of fear, I could see where they were at.

01:10:45.000 And you've got to be mindful of his level of fear as well, because a caged animal is a very dangerous animal, you know?

01:10:52.000 I'm seeing him and that's kind of how the way that went.

01:10:56.000 I watched that fight again the other day.

01:10:59.000 I was playing it in the gym while I was working out.

01:11:01.000 I was like, that is a crazy pace.

01:11:05.000 Like, you fuckers came out guns blazing.

01:11:07.000 I mean, in my opinion, is one of the very best welterweight title fights ever.

01:11:13.000 I mean, it was epic.

01:11:15.000 It was epic.

01:11:15.000 I'm watching.

01:11:16.000 The pace.

01:11:17.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:11:18.000 I'm watching.

01:11:19.000 I'm watching.

01:11:21.000 Keep it on him.

01:11:22.000 Keep it on him.

01:11:22.000 I'm watching.

01:11:24.000 Boom!

01:11:24.000 He looks away.

01:11:25.000 Well, he had to.

01:11:25.000 I was talking to him.

01:11:26.000 You just got it in your head, man.

01:11:28.000 He looked down.

01:11:30.000 I'm like, oh, there was just a little moment.

01:11:33.000 Just to read his spirit.

01:11:35.000 I felt his spirit at that moment.

01:11:36.000 And I'm just like, it's not the same.

01:11:39.000 It's not the same.

01:11:40.000 I'm going to hurt this kid.

01:11:41.000 It's not the same.

01:11:42.000 But he's going to come out.

01:11:43.000 He's going to fight.

01:11:44.000 But I'm going to hurt him.

01:11:46.000 At no point in that fight did I think I wasn't going to hurt him.

01:11:49.000 When you dropped him in the final round when you stopped the fight, when you dropped him, you saw him go down, what was going through your head?

01:11:56.000 I was like, oh, I'm hitting now.

01:11:58.000 I'm hitting because when you land a punch good, you don't really feel it.

01:12:04.000 And so at that moment, I was kind of clipping him.

01:12:06.000 I was connecting everything I clipped him with.

01:12:08.000 He was feeling the power at that point.

01:12:12.000 I'd heard him a few times before, but everyone kept talking about his pace, his pace, and this and that.

01:12:18.000 And I carry power all the way throughout.

01:12:21.000 That's how I train.

01:12:22.000 The power is going to be the same.

01:12:24.000 The way I hit mitts with my coaches, Henry Hooft and all these, it's all the same.

01:12:29.000 It's not all tap, tap, tap, tap, tap here and then a little bit of power here.

01:12:33.000 Tap, tap, tap, tap here a little bit.

01:12:35.000 Yes, I know how to do that.

01:12:36.000 I know how to mix it up like boxers do.

01:12:37.000 They know how to put a little bit into this, distract you with this, then touch you with that.

01:12:41.000 I know how to do that too.

01:12:42.000 But I carry the power all the way throughout.

01:12:44.000 So by the fifth round, when I hit him with a, I think, I hit him with a body and I hit him with a punch.

01:12:51.000 I hit him with a right hand that stunned him and he stumbled back.

01:12:55.000 And at that point, I was just in the driver's seat.

01:12:57.000 I'm like, okay, I'm feeling him.

01:12:58.000 Then I hit him with a left foot.

01:13:00.000 Boom!

01:13:01.000 That hurt him.

01:13:01.000 I feel everyone, they hurt him because I'm not barely feeling the punches here.

01:13:06.000 And then when I put that cannon on his face, boom, and he went down.

01:13:08.000 I'm just like, oh, stay relaxed, stay relaxed.

01:13:10.000 We got time.

01:13:11.000 You know, the goal is to get him out of here.

01:13:13.000 I'm not going to jump on him because I've made that mistake before.

01:13:15.000 I've dropped a guy and jumped on him going crazy trying to get him out of there.

01:13:18.000 Stay on him.

01:13:19.000 Just stay relaxed and I'm going to get him done.

01:13:21.000 And at that point, you get to a certain zone to where you see him coming and he's just like, the punches are going by.

01:13:28.000 And then I land the other one and he drops.

01:13:30.000 And I'm just like, okay, it's time to get on him and finish him here.

01:13:33.000 Did you recognize that something was wrong with his jaw?

01:13:36.000 Boom!

01:13:36.000 There it is.

01:13:37.000 No.

01:13:38.000 And I watched the fight over and my corner told me that his jaw was broken.

01:13:43.000 I didn't even hear them.

01:13:45.000 Boom!

01:13:45.000 That second right hand.

01:13:46.000 I didn't even hear them.

01:13:47.000 Were you surprised the way they stopped the fight?

01:13:49.000 No.

01:13:52.000 This is what I'm saying.

01:13:54.000 I gotta say, I was a little surprised when I looked at it.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, I mean, you think about it like that, and it's like, oh man, he got up right away.

01:14:02.000 It might have been an early stoppage.

01:14:04.000 But then if you watch that 30 seconds before that, you see the shots that he was taking.

01:14:11.000 I hit him with that right hand, boom, he stumbled back, almost fell down.

01:14:15.000 I was wondering if they knew that his jaw was broken.

01:14:19.000 I mean, that's been a referee.

01:14:20.000 The referee might know.

01:14:22.000 But I personally didn't.

01:14:24.000 But if you see him take shots like that, you just got dropped twice, and now you're holding on to a leg, and now this is just an earmuff.

01:14:31.000 You're trying to protect yourself, and I have no sign of stopping.

01:14:35.000 That's the referee's job, to get in there and stop you.

01:14:38.000 And I know some guys are like, oh, well, they should have let him go.

01:14:41.000 It's a title fight.

01:14:42.000 You should have let him get knocked out completely or this and that.

01:14:45.000 But the referee's not doing his job of protecting you if that happens.

01:14:50.000 It's interesting that you said every fight takes a little bit out of you.

01:14:54.000 Yes.

01:14:55.000 And I think that's important for people to hear because we've all seen fighters...

01:15:01.000 And, you know, we go to boxing.

01:15:03.000 The perfect example is Meldrick Taylor when he fought Julio Cesar Chavez.

01:15:08.000 Did you ever see that fight?

01:15:08.000 No.

01:15:09.000 Tremendous fight.

01:15:10.000 Meldrick Taylor was winning the fight, but Chavez just kept the pressure on him, kept the pressure on him, was beating his body, beating his body, kept the pressure on him, and then finally with, like, literally, I think the fight was stopped with four seconds to go.

01:15:22.000 Wow.

01:15:22.000 Yeah, Richard Steele waved it off, and Meldrick Taylor stood up, and he talked to him, but you could tell Meldrick Taylor was out of it, and they stopped the fight.

01:15:29.000 Meldrick Taylor was never the same again.

01:15:31.000 He was never the same again.

01:15:32.000 Terry Norris starched him after that.

01:15:34.000 He started slurring his words.

01:15:36.000 It was real bad.

01:15:37.000 It was like that one fight took everything out of him.

01:15:40.000 Yeah, there's something people don't really see.

01:15:44.000 I mean, everyone's attracted to violence.

01:15:46.000 Everybody wants to see the violence.

01:15:47.000 They want to see you get hit.

01:15:48.000 They want to see you hit someone.

01:15:49.000 They want to see the blood.

01:15:50.000 But people don't see what this takes away from your spirit.

01:15:55.000 Each fight, win or lose, it takes something from you.

01:15:59.000 Like only myself and Colby Covington are gonna know what that fight did to us.

01:16:05.000 Now, could I do it?

01:16:05.000 I can do it again next week.

01:16:07.000 I have no problem doing it yet.

01:16:08.000 But each and every fight takes something away from you.

01:16:13.000 But is it balanced out?

01:16:15.000 More so, for sure, if you take a beating, right?

01:16:17.000 But is it balanced out by hard training and recuperation to where you can maintain the exact same level?

01:16:24.000 Or is every fight you're like slightly less good than you were before, but you're so much better that you still have enough leeway?

01:16:33.000 No, as far as the preparation and training and all of that stuff, yeah, that accounts to it.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, it takes away from you.

01:16:39.000 But I'm saying the act of actually fighting the fight from your spirit, from your energy, that takes away from you.

01:16:47.000 So you mean like your ability to get up for it?

01:16:50.000 Yes, your ability to fight another man.

01:16:53.000 Your ability to, that bravado to fight another person, that spirit, that killer spirit, it takes away from you.

01:17:01.000 And it could add to it.

01:17:02.000 It changes that spirit in some shape, form, or fashion.

01:17:06.000 It absolutely does.

01:17:08.000 There's this video a while back.

01:17:11.000 I forget the fighter.

01:17:12.000 He was a wrestler turned fighter.

01:17:14.000 He's like bleach blonde hair.

01:17:16.000 I forget his name, but I think the video was called Unfaded Glory.

01:17:21.000 I think USA Wrestling made it, put it together.

01:17:23.000 And it had all these wrestlers on it.

01:17:26.000 Brandon Slay, Travelle DeLognev, who was my teammate.

01:17:30.000 A lot of different was on that video.

01:17:32.000 And I watched that while I was training for the 2012 Olympics, trying to make the team.

01:17:37.000 And that video stays with me.

01:17:39.000 It changed my mentality of how to think because it really put things in perspective.

01:17:44.000 Because you go out there and you battle this hard match and you lose to this guy.

01:17:49.000 Like, Joe, I've won hundreds of wrestling matches.

01:17:53.000 I can't remember hardly any of them.

01:17:55.000 The ones that I've lost though, I remember most of them.

01:18:00.000 Why is that?

01:18:02.000 Because each one took something away from my spirit.

01:18:06.000 Somehow.

01:18:07.000 I remember each...

01:18:08.000 They took something away from me.

01:18:11.000 Like, I can tell you really...

01:18:13.000 The fights that I won, the MMA fights, I can really...

01:18:16.000 I don't really care that much about them.

01:18:18.000 I win and I move on.

01:18:19.000 But the one that I lost?

01:18:21.000 Oh yeah.

01:18:22.000 I know exactly why I knew what happened.

01:18:24.000 I knew...

01:18:24.000 You know what happened in that fight.

01:18:28.000 Do you remember when you had that fight with Damian Maia?

01:18:31.000 Yes.

01:18:31.000 And early in the fight, Damian Maia is kind of standing and holding onto your back.

01:18:36.000 Yes.

01:18:36.000 And then the referee separated you?

01:18:37.000 Yeah.

01:18:38.000 Were you like, thank God, that fucking referee.

01:18:42.000 No, because I wasn't going to give that.

01:18:45.000 There's no way.

01:18:45.000 I was prepared to stand there the whole round.

01:18:49.000 But didn't you think that that was a weird way to separate you?

01:18:52.000 It was...

01:18:53.000 When he did eventually separate, yeah, the timing wasn't very good.

01:18:57.000 No.

01:18:57.000 Because at some point we stood there, we were there for like almost a minute.

01:19:01.000 But it's hard to get to that position on a guy like you.

01:19:04.000 It is.

01:19:04.000 It's very...

01:19:05.000 I mean, that Damon, people don't realize how good...

01:19:07.000 Ben Askren found out the hard way.

01:19:09.000 Yeah.

01:19:09.000 How good this guy is.

01:19:11.000 And yeah, I could have taken him down whenever I wanted and tried to play that game, but that's not a game you play.

01:19:17.000 Right.

01:19:17.000 It's like trying to swim with sharks.

01:19:19.000 And you're a little bitty shark yourself, but you're trying to swim with these mammoth sharks.

01:19:25.000 And it just doesn't, you know, Damien Maia is just that guy to where I'm like, why even flirt with this?

01:19:32.000 Right.

01:19:32.000 Why?

01:19:33.000 His jiu-jitsu is just so high level.

01:19:35.000 It's so high level.

01:19:36.000 It's so tricky.

01:19:37.000 I mean, he's just done it so much and so well to where he's good in certain positions.

01:19:43.000 I'm like, you know what?

01:19:44.000 There's no point in even going there.

01:19:45.000 But I was prepared to die.

01:19:49.000 Rather than let him take me down and go down here.

01:19:52.000 You know, even though we never know.

01:19:54.000 I might have been able to defend down there on the ground, which I worked a lot on my defense down there.

01:19:58.000 Oh, Rory McDonald did.

01:20:00.000 Remember Rory McDonald?

01:20:01.000 Yeah, Rory McDonald.

01:20:01.000 I was fully prepared to do that.

01:20:03.000 You know, but...

01:20:05.000 Why?

01:20:06.000 Masvidal did as well.

01:20:07.000 Yeah, he did a good job of not getting submitted.

01:20:11.000 But at the end of the day, he still took an L on that.

01:20:16.000 I'm just saying.

01:20:17.000 I know you have to say that.

01:20:19.000 Are you in conversation with the UFC about your next fight?

01:20:24.000 Or do you just rest up, heal up, and then let them know, hey, I'm good to go?

01:20:29.000 No.

01:20:30.000 How does that work?

01:20:30.000 If they're like, hey, does this date work?

01:20:33.000 Alright, if it does, it does.

01:20:34.000 If it doesn't, it doesn't.

01:20:35.000 But I'm not...

01:20:36.000 I've worked to get to the point where now I don't have to call guys out.

01:20:40.000 I'm not trying to pick fights.

01:20:41.000 Oh no, I want that fight.

01:20:42.000 I want that fight.

01:20:44.000 I'm begging for this guy to fight me.

01:20:46.000 No, the belt has to move.

01:20:48.000 Like, it has to move.

01:20:50.000 So when the UFC says, okay, here, this is the next fight.

01:20:53.000 Hey, that's the next fight.

01:20:54.000 I've never turned down a fight.

01:20:55.000 So you haven't had any conversation with them at all where they said, hey, you know, when do you think you'll be ready?

01:21:00.000 Like, have you had any of these kind of conversations?

01:21:02.000 Me and Dana, we've talked.

01:21:04.000 You know, my management, we've talked about it.

01:21:07.000 And, yeah, I've told them when, you know, I'll be ready.

01:21:12.000 Like, I'll be ready.

01:21:13.000 Give me a month.

01:21:14.000 You know, let this thing, you know, heal out.

01:21:17.000 Because, I mean, you can see, I can make a fist now.

01:21:19.000 You know, let this thing heal out.

01:21:21.000 And I'm cracking.

01:21:22.000 And what is the conversation that they have with you?

01:21:24.000 Do they say, hey?

01:21:26.000 We would like you to fight X guy.

01:21:29.000 Look at him fishing here.

01:21:31.000 No, they put out the guys.

01:21:35.000 Not being a hitter, let's be honest.

01:21:38.000 If you really look at the division, I've beaten almost everybody there in that top 10. It's a matter of who everybody really wants, who they think is next.

01:21:49.000 Dana agrees.

01:21:50.000 Dana thinks that George is the next guy.

01:21:55.000 And, you know, I have no problem with that.

01:21:57.000 I told Dana, Dana and I have never turned down a fight.

01:21:59.000 You say when, and you say who, and let's get that money.

01:22:03.000 Will you try to make it for both belts?

01:22:07.000 Because I want to see you make a video, if you beat him, of you throwing that thing in the closet.

01:22:12.000 You know what?

01:22:13.000 I absolutely will do that now.

01:22:15.000 Do you know how funny that would be?

01:22:17.000 I'm going to tell Dana.

01:22:20.000 Dana, I need that.

01:22:21.000 No, you know what?

01:22:21.000 Don't even make me a new one.

01:22:22.000 I want his.

01:22:24.000 Take that.

01:22:24.000 Give it back to me.

01:22:25.000 I want that.

01:22:26.000 But that's always weirded me out that you don't get that person's belt.

01:22:29.000 You get a new belt.

01:22:30.000 I'm like, but aren't you fighting for the belt?

01:22:32.000 No, it makes sense.

01:22:33.000 I guess, because then someone's holding on to it.

01:22:35.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

01:22:36.000 Getting their funk all over it and shit.

01:22:38.000 I don't want the same dirt.

01:22:40.000 I don't know what they've done with that thing.

01:22:42.000 Tim Silvio, when he won the heavyweight title, he used to wear his belt everywhere.

01:22:45.000 He would go to clubs.

01:22:46.000 He'd wear his fucking UFC belt.

01:22:48.000 I said that I would do that.

01:22:50.000 Yeah.

01:22:52.000 I said that I would do that because I hear a lot of guys, like Mike Tyson said he wore his, what was it, the WBC? He wore it for like a week straight.

01:23:02.000 I think there's a picture of him in the shower with it.

01:23:05.000 And I was like, yeah, I'm going to do that when I get it.

01:23:09.000 But then I got it and I went home like, there's no fucking way I'm going to get in the shower with this thing.

01:23:15.000 It does seem kind of crazy to do.

01:23:16.000 Plus you can fuck up the leather, right?

01:23:18.000 Yeah.

01:23:19.000 It's so nice.

01:23:21.000 I'm like, ah.

01:23:22.000 And my daughter had it for a couple days.

01:23:24.000 She just laid next to it.

01:23:26.000 She likes looking at it.

01:23:27.000 I'm sure.

01:23:28.000 And she told all her friends at school, my daddy has a gold belt.

01:23:31.000 How crazy is that?

01:23:32.000 For her, like, my daddy's the champion of the world.

01:23:36.000 Yeah, but she doesn't really understand that.

01:23:38.000 I mean, she knows that, that I'm the champion.

01:23:41.000 She tells me all the time.

01:23:44.000 I'm so soft for her.

01:23:46.000 Dude, when you brought her into the octagon when you beat Tyron and you were holding her, I almost cried.

01:23:52.000 Every time I see that.

01:23:53.000 You know, I always said, I'm not going to be that guy because, you know, parents have thousands of pictures on their phones of their kids.

01:23:59.000 I'm like, man, I'm never going to be that guy.

01:24:01.000 I literally, I looked the other day, I had 4,500 pictures and I guarantee that maybe 4,000 of them are of my daughter.

01:24:09.000 Of course.

01:24:09.000 And then, you know, and I was, I'm thinking, I'm like, man, when she grows up, which is why Some guys, yeah, you can switch up to be an entertainer, but I can't switch up too much because at some point, my daughter's going to grow up one day and be like, who is that guy?

01:24:23.000 Why did you say that?

01:24:24.000 Why did you say that?

01:24:25.000 Why did you do this?

01:24:26.000 That's the picture right there.

01:24:27.000 Oh, man.

01:24:28.000 I look at it and I just want it.

01:24:31.000 Well, you could see how happy you were, how proud you were.

01:24:34.000 And her, she was smiling.

01:24:36.000 Man, that's an intense moment.

01:24:38.000 That's such an intense moment.

01:24:39.000 When she grows up, you know, I want her to be able to look at that.

01:24:42.000 Do you have a picture of that?

01:24:43.000 Are you holding her while they gave you the belt?

01:24:47.000 They're making me one.

01:24:48.000 Damn, that should be framed.

01:24:49.000 Of course I'm going to frame one.

01:24:51.000 And I have one too.

01:24:52.000 I have a picture of...

01:24:53.000 God damn it, I'm tearing up.

01:24:55.000 I have a picture of...

01:24:57.000 And the one that gets me the most, and I think it was shot by a photographer, Eric Coleman.

01:25:02.000 We were training on the track, and it was right after I fought the finale, Ultimate Fighter.

01:25:10.000 And I just got into the UFC. And she's in a stroller.

01:25:15.000 And we came right from bed.

01:25:17.000 It was a Saturday morning workout.

01:25:18.000 We had to go to the FAU track.

01:25:20.000 And the team, guys were running.

01:25:21.000 I couldn't really run, so I'm hitting mitts with Henry.

01:25:24.000 And she's in the stroller.

01:25:27.000 I took her straight out of bed.

01:25:28.000 She's in the stroller.

01:25:30.000 Sitting there watching me and I'm hitting mitts.

01:25:33.000 And Eric shot the shot and somehow got her in the back.

01:25:36.000 She's just in the stroller.

01:25:37.000 She's like maybe two years old, if that.

01:25:40.000 And just watching me train.

01:25:43.000 And that one is the one that when I look at, I can't help, I can't fight those emotions because...

01:25:51.000 And the worst thing was, that was the camp where I was having the most issues.

01:25:56.000 To where I literally, a couple of times I cried.

01:25:59.000 Physically cried.

01:26:00.000 Because I'm like, man, my career's just starting.

01:26:04.000 And I can't even walk upstairs.

01:26:07.000 Like, my career's already done.

01:26:08.000 I tell people what you told me about not being able to walk on the concrete.

01:26:12.000 You had to walk on grass.

01:26:13.000 Yeah, I walk on grass because it was that bad.

01:26:15.000 And I come down because I go down the stairs backwards and everyone's kind of like, why do you do that?

01:26:19.000 You still do that?

01:26:20.000 Yeah, I still do that.

01:26:21.000 Really?

01:26:21.000 Yeah, it takes pressure off my knees.

01:26:24.000 And so I still do it.

01:26:25.000 Now it's a mental thing.

01:26:27.000 The longer I can preserve my knees, the better.

01:26:30.000 You know?

01:26:31.000 And that's the thing too, is my manager makes fun of me.

01:26:33.000 We gotta get you to Panama.

01:26:34.000 Yeah, but my manager makes fun of me.

01:26:36.000 He's like, oh man, you're hurt.

01:26:38.000 You walk like an old man, but then you cross into that cage and you fight like an...

01:26:41.000 I'm like, yeah, because when I cross that barrier, in my mind, I turn into the Nigerian nightmare.

01:26:49.000 I don't give a shit what happens.

01:26:51.000 I'm ready to die in here.

01:26:53.000 I don't care.

01:26:55.000 I'm gonna sacrifice my body completely in here to accomplish this goal.

01:27:00.000 Do you worry about your knees not being able to hold up?

01:27:03.000 Because obviously your mind is strong enough that you can fight even though you're in pain.

01:27:07.000 Not being able to hold up?

01:27:08.000 Fighting?

01:27:08.000 Yes.

01:27:11.000 Not so much.

01:27:13.000 No?

01:27:13.000 No.

01:27:16.000 I've been making this decision for a long time.

01:27:18.000 I remember the first knee surgery I had in college.

01:27:22.000 And I just, my thing, my mind was, I just can't wait to get back.

01:27:25.000 What gets me back the fastest?

01:27:27.000 Oh, scope?

01:27:27.000 Just take, just, alright, snip it out.

01:27:29.000 Whatever gets me back the fastest, because I just can't wait to compete.

01:27:32.000 I think as long as I have this burning desire to compete, I'm okay with sacrificing my body.

01:27:37.000 But once this desire starts to kind of dwindle down, I'm okay.

01:27:41.000 When you see a guy like Michael Bisping, who's, uh, Michael's like 41, maybe?

01:27:45.000 How old is Michael?

01:27:47.000 I think, yeah, he's in his 40s, I think.

01:27:49.000 And he just had a knee replacement.

01:27:51.000 When you see that, does that make you think, fuck, is that going to be me?

01:27:56.000 Yeah, I'm okay with that.

01:27:58.000 I've made friends with that.

01:27:59.000 Really?

01:27:59.000 I've made friends with the fact that I'm going to probably have to have my knees both replaced.

01:28:04.000 Jesus, man.

01:28:04.000 I'm going to have my shoulders probably done.

01:28:06.000 Your shoulders are fucked up, too?

01:28:08.000 I'm a wrestler, just from wrestling over time.

01:28:11.000 My back, at some point, I'm going to have to get done.

01:28:15.000 Really?

01:28:16.000 I've made friends with these.

01:28:19.000 I'm going to have to do these.

01:28:20.000 And you don't even mind...

01:28:21.000 That's interesting.

01:28:22.000 You don't mind talking about these injuries.

01:28:24.000 You don't mind talking about...

01:28:25.000 Because you feel like it's still not going to save them.

01:28:27.000 I don't give a shit.

01:28:28.000 Yeah, it's not going to save you.

01:28:30.000 Like guys, oh, his knees are bad.

01:28:32.000 Yeah, my knees were real bad before Kobe.

01:28:33.000 My knees were real bad before Damien.

01:28:35.000 My knees were real bad before Tyron.

01:28:37.000 Or the other guy.

01:28:38.000 It doesn't matter.

01:28:39.000 Once I cross in and I get in...

01:28:41.000 When I'm locked into that cage...

01:28:43.000 You're trying to hurt me, but I'm going to hurt you worse.

01:28:47.000 And all these guys, right now, everybody has their time.

01:28:50.000 Tyron had his time.

01:28:53.000 George had his time.

01:28:55.000 Right now, God is just saying, this is my time.

01:28:58.000 And I'm going to maximize it to my ability.

01:29:00.000 So, I don't care.

01:29:01.000 I'm going to give everything in there just because of my knees.

01:29:03.000 You can know it's my knees.

01:29:04.000 People kick me all the time.

01:29:05.000 Kobe kicked me a few times.

01:29:07.000 I don't give a shit.

01:29:08.000 It's not going to save you.

01:29:10.000 It's not going to save these guys.

01:29:13.000 And with Kobe as well, I mean, he...

01:29:16.000 You know, that fight was a lot more personal than a lot of people think.

01:29:20.000 You know, obviously with the whole situation with my dad and him saying whatever he said.

01:29:27.000 And I know he...

01:29:29.000 People say certain things, and Conor's a master at this.

01:29:32.000 To try to get you off your game.

01:29:35.000 To try to make you, to rattle you, make you mad enough to where you come out and you're just crazy, you know, fighting them.

01:29:41.000 And to where you could be the best conditioned athlete, but you can get in there and get an adrenaline dump.

01:29:45.000 You look like you haven't trained a day in your life.

01:29:48.000 And I knew that's what they were doing.

01:29:50.000 Like, I'm not stupid.

01:29:51.000 I knew that's what these guys were trying to do.

01:29:52.000 I knew that's what, especially him, he was trying to do.

01:29:54.000 But I wasn't going to play into that.

01:29:56.000 You had a very steady pace.

01:29:58.000 It was very interesting.

01:29:59.000 You could see that when you're fighting right away in the first round, first of all, his pace is fucking crazy.

01:30:05.000 I mean, that guy throws a lot of volume.

01:30:07.000 But you could tell that you were not gonna blow your water early.

01:30:11.000 No.

01:30:12.000 You were fighting very measured, very disciplined, and you were throwing a lot of front kicks to the body, man.

01:30:18.000 That front kick to the body is nasty.

01:30:20.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, just looking at his style stylistically and matching him up with mine.

01:30:26.000 Like, I could have came in there.

01:30:27.000 We could have wrestled.

01:30:29.000 Everyone thought they're just going to wrestle each other, you know, but...

01:30:33.000 Did you think that was possible?

01:30:35.000 That he was going to try to wrestle with you more?

01:30:39.000 You know, there was a possibility of him trying to wrestle, but...

01:30:42.000 I knew that he was worried about my wrestling because Tyron did better than him in Division 1 wrestling.

01:30:53.000 Better accolades.

01:30:54.000 And we saw what happened with that fight.

01:30:56.000 So I knew he was worried about me wrestling, me taking him down.

01:31:00.000 Because if I take you down, you're not getting up unless I let you up.

01:31:02.000 So I knew he was worried about that.

01:31:05.000 But then there came a moment in the fight to where we just looked at each other and it was just like, no.

01:31:12.000 Not today.

01:31:14.000 Let's do it.

01:31:15.000 Let's do it.

01:31:16.000 And I was fully prepared to bang it out with him.

01:31:19.000 It was very surprising because it really did turn out to be basically a kickboxing fight.

01:31:24.000 Yeah.

01:31:24.000 I mean, that was...

01:31:25.000 Yeah, we just looked at each other and was just like, alright, let's do it.

01:31:29.000 Mano y mano.

01:31:30.000 Let's go.

01:31:31.000 You know, there's not going to be wrestling tonight.

01:31:34.000 So, let's do it.

01:31:35.000 Man, the two of you guys together, depending on how the rest of the division stacks up, because it's just such a fucking talented division.

01:31:42.000 There's so much talent in that division.

01:31:44.000 There's so many good fighters.

01:31:45.000 But depending on how everything plays out, you guys could have two or three fights.

01:31:51.000 Easily.

01:31:52.000 We'll see.

01:31:53.000 First of all, I want to see how you bounce it back from that.

01:31:58.000 Like I said, there was a lot that went into that fight.

01:32:01.000 He said a lot.

01:32:02.000 He did a lot.

01:32:03.000 Like getting all that weight, having all that weight on your shoulders, saying all the things that you said, ruffling all the feathers that you ruffled, and then coming out.

01:32:13.000 And he took a beating from the fans after that.

01:32:17.000 Like the backlash that he took.

01:32:20.000 I don't know if you saw some of the shit that was online.

01:32:23.000 He took a humongous...

01:32:25.000 Oh, I'm sure.

01:32:26.000 And rightfully saw.

01:32:28.000 That's the game.

01:32:29.000 Yeah, that's the game.

01:32:29.000 That's the game.

01:32:30.000 You want to talk crazy shit, then they're going to...

01:32:32.000 The reason why they're tuning into the fight, so many of them, is because of all the crazy shit you've talked.

01:32:38.000 So naturally, if he loses...

01:32:41.000 All the people that were rooting for you were like, yeah!

01:32:43.000 You fucking knew it!

01:32:44.000 I knew it!

01:32:45.000 Yeah, and so I want to see how he bounces back from all that.

01:32:48.000 Because he's never had to do it before.

01:32:50.000 Psychologically.

01:32:51.000 Yeah.

01:32:51.000 He's never had to do it before.

01:32:52.000 He's never had to talk all that shit, then go in there and get your mouth shut.

01:32:56.000 Literally.

01:32:57.000 Literally.

01:32:58.000 It's going to be interesting to see who they match him up with.

01:33:01.000 You know?

01:33:02.000 I mean, who do they...

01:33:04.000 I mean, he's got possibilities.

01:33:05.000 He can fight Masvidal.

01:33:06.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:33:07.000 You know, he can fight Masvidal.

01:33:09.000 They used to be boys, right?

01:33:10.000 Yeah, they used to be boys.

01:33:11.000 They used to be training partners.

01:33:11.000 And there's videos online.

01:33:13.000 I mean, you see what he was doing with Masvidal early on.

01:33:15.000 Like, you know, like there's videos online with that.

01:33:20.000 And then it's like, he can fight Tyron Woodley.

01:33:23.000 Like, Tyron wins this fight.

01:33:25.000 Like, I think they both fight for the number one contender.

01:33:28.000 You know, so it's...

01:33:31.000 The possibilities are endless for him because there's so many guys that want to kick his ass.

01:33:35.000 So many guys in the division.

01:33:37.000 But I don't think a lot of guys in the division can kick his ass.

01:33:43.000 He's got possibilities.

01:33:45.000 He can fight guys.

01:33:47.000 And it's also possible that he can learn from that fight with you and come back a better fighter.

01:33:52.000 That is possible, too.

01:33:53.000 We don't know how much it's going to take out of him, but it is possible that he can come from that.

01:33:57.000 I mean, that was a fucking crazy fight.

01:34:00.000 And that was the first really crazy fight that he's experienced, other than the one submission loss that he had in the UFC where he had an injured rib.

01:34:06.000 He had to take the fight.

01:34:08.000 Was that Worley Alves?

01:34:10.000 Worley Alves.

01:34:11.000 Yeah.

01:34:11.000 So when you see him next, then we'll get an understanding of where he's at.

01:34:17.000 Yeah, but the thing though is there's just certain guys you can't beat.

01:34:23.000 I don't know what it is or why it is, but there's just certain guys that you cannot beat.

01:34:28.000 And I think I'm that guy that he's just not going to beat.

01:34:31.000 I will not allow myself to lose to him.

01:34:33.000 Do you think if you had two good hands, if your hand wasn't hurt, it would have been a different fight?

01:34:37.000 Yeah, I think I hurt him.

01:34:37.000 I think I hurt him earlier.

01:34:39.000 But, man, hats off to him.

01:34:41.000 He's a tough guy.

01:34:42.000 I don't take anything away from him.

01:34:43.000 He fought a very good fight.

01:34:45.000 That had to be the most satisfying.

01:34:48.000 The most I've ever been hit, ever.

01:34:50.000 Yeah.

01:34:51.000 He was hitting me.

01:34:52.000 He was touching me.

01:34:53.000 And I was never really hurt bad.

01:34:56.000 But they were stinging shots.

01:34:57.000 They stung me a couple times.

01:34:58.000 I'm like, this motherfucker is touching me right now.

01:35:03.000 He's touching me.

01:35:04.000 But at no point did I... I was like, I'm going to come forward.

01:35:07.000 I'm going to hurt him.

01:35:08.000 He's a fucking swinger, man.

01:35:09.000 He throws a lot of shots, too.

01:35:11.000 His volume is incredible.

01:35:12.000 But that had to be the most satisfying to you.

01:35:16.000 It was.

01:35:16.000 When I got back to the hotel and I sat there, it was just, I mean, it was like, and I just was by myself because I like to decompress, and I'm just like, we got it done.

01:35:28.000 I mean, all this shit that this guy said, even my dad was like, go take care of business.

01:35:35.000 And to know that I went in there and I did take care of business was extremely satisfying.

01:35:42.000 And it didn't hurt when a freaking, I mean a surplus of like celebrities, crazy celebrities.

01:35:49.000 Thank you for beating the shit out of this guy.

01:35:54.000 You know, you attach yourself to that whole MAGA thing, and you know, there's a lot of people that'll support you because of that, but man, there's so many, like if you fall down, there's so many that just can't wait to piss on you and kick you.

01:36:06.000 Oh man.

01:36:07.000 Yeah, it's such a polarizing position that he took.

01:36:10.000 He did.

01:36:11.000 But, you know, I'm friends with the Trump now.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, let's talk about that.

01:36:16.000 You were saying that you were going to go visit the White House.

01:36:21.000 Tell me about the book, because that's what's hilarious.

01:36:22.000 I'm going to do it.

01:36:24.000 I'm going to go to the White House.

01:36:26.000 But you also picked up Donald Trump Jr.'s book.

01:36:32.000 I picked up the book and, you know, initially was like, okay...

01:36:37.000 Because this guy tried to troll me during our press conference.

01:36:41.000 He was trolling me.

01:36:41.000 He sat there while I was talking.

01:36:43.000 He was reading the book and pretending like he was reading the book.

01:36:47.000 And then I'm at the airport and I'm like, oh, there's the book.

01:36:57.000 And I'm like, fuck it.

01:36:59.000 I've got time today.

01:37:02.000 And I'm trolling them.

01:37:04.000 And I buy the book.

01:37:05.000 I'm like, screw it.

01:37:06.000 I'm going to buy this book.

01:37:07.000 So I actually buy the book.

01:37:09.000 And I take the screenshot.

01:37:11.000 And I posted it.

01:37:14.000 You should have seen the reaction that I got from fans after that.

01:37:19.000 It was ridiculous.

01:37:21.000 Did Donald Trump Jr. reach out to you?

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:23.000 We actually, you know...

01:37:26.000 messages back and forth.

01:37:27.000 Are you wearing a red hat too?

01:37:35.000 It's the wrong red hat, but you're wearing a red hat.

01:37:39.000 That is fucking hilarious.

01:37:42.000 And I don't know the Trumps personally, so I can't go out there and like, oh, I'm bashing them just because this idiot was attaching himself to them.

01:37:52.000 So I look forward to meeting them and actually talking to them.

01:37:57.000 Listen, that would be a great moment for you to bring that title to the White House, despite of all the bullshit.

01:38:03.000 Yeah.

01:38:03.000 And just let everybody know.

01:38:05.000 You rise.

01:38:06.000 Yeah.

01:38:06.000 I mean, who would ever imagine that I, you know, coming from the village in Africa that I did, you know, and getting to this point and actually going in there to the White House.

01:38:18.000 Well, you know, we had talked about your dad and your dad being in jail, and of all people, man, Kim Kardashian has had, I think, something like 28 people wrongly accused, released from prison.

01:38:32.000 She's all about, like, prison justice reform, and she makes these regular trips to the White House to talk to the president about prison reform and about getting people out of jail that got bad deals.

01:38:44.000 Yeah, and I mean, that's a worthy cause.

01:38:47.000 It's an amazing cause.

01:38:48.000 It's an amazing cause.

01:38:49.000 I stopped making fun of her.

01:38:51.000 I was like, I'm not going to make fun of her anymore.

01:38:53.000 She's doing great things.

01:38:55.000 She's a good person.

01:38:56.000 And I mean, I don't know that family personally, so I could have never really speak on them.

01:39:02.000 But for someone to come out and actually, because there's so many people that are behind bars because of being wrongfully accused.

01:39:10.000 And the fact that she, a celebrity like her, of her stature, is really shedding light on that and actually taking the steps to go out and actually help some of these guys is just amazing.

01:39:19.000 It's amazing.

01:39:20.000 And speaking of my father, like I said, this is no accident that we're here.

01:39:24.000 This is no accident, Joe.

01:39:28.000 The last time I was here was the first time I ever talked about it and opened up about it.

01:39:32.000 And this attorney, Gray Tesh, out of South Florida, actually contacted me.

01:39:38.000 He's like, hey, I would love to take a look at the case and look at what's going on here.

01:39:45.000 And so, you know, he's kind of been like looking into it, working on it and, you know, sending the letters that need to be sent and making the calls that need to be made.

01:39:54.000 And Joe, the moment I just walked in here and this is no lie, I just showed you the text.

01:40:00.000 I just walked in here and I'm in the bathroom and I get the text that says he's going to be released soon.

01:40:08.000 That's incredible.

01:40:09.000 That's incredible.

01:40:12.000 You should bring him with you to the White House.

01:40:15.000 I will definitely try.

01:40:16.000 Dude.

01:40:17.000 I will definitely try.

01:40:18.000 You know how wild that would be?

01:40:20.000 Ah, man.

01:40:20.000 You know, the big thing to me that would mean so much to me is to have my dad front and center for my fight.

01:40:26.000 Having my dad come into the cage and put that belt around me.

01:40:31.000 There's these moments in life that I call being floored.

01:40:37.000 And that's just when your heart hits the floor.

01:40:40.000 And I think those moments arrive.

01:40:42.000 Which is what, for me, when you think about the pursuit of happiness, these are the definitions of that.

01:40:48.000 You can make your parents' heart hit the floor by doing something to where you're recognized so much to where they're recognized for the work that they did raising you.

01:41:00.000 The good work that they did.

01:41:03.000 Whether it's winning a Rhodes Scholar, whether it's winning a Nobel Peace Prize.

01:41:08.000 Can you imagine as a parent watching your child accomplish something great?

01:41:13.000 That feeling is a feeling that I long for.

01:41:16.000 I want to make my parents feel that as many times as possible before they're called home and they pass from this earth.

01:41:25.000 And I'm sure my daughter at one point is going to want to do that.

01:41:28.000 And I think winning that title, I would have loved to see my dad's face when I won that title.

01:41:34.000 And just look into him and see how he felt.

01:41:38.000 So I can't wait for him to be at the next one.

01:41:41.000 I can't wait for him to actually feel that.

01:41:44.000 How long has he been locked up for?

01:41:46.000 I think since 2009. Shit, 11 years.

01:41:50.000 I think, yeah.

01:41:51.000 And my dad did Miss Beat, too.

01:41:55.000 You go see him, my dad's the same guy.

01:41:57.000 Really?

01:41:58.000 He's the same guy.

01:41:59.000 You would think this is something I would defeat somebody that would crush them and kill them.

01:42:02.000 And of course, I'm not with him day in and day out.

01:42:05.000 But my dad's still the same guy to me.

01:42:10.000 I'm not going to cry, but I can't wait for him to actually hold my dad again.

01:42:18.000 If you could choose, who would you like to see him cage-side when you fight?

01:42:23.000 Who would you like to be fighting when he's there for the first time?

01:42:29.000 If I could choose...

01:42:30.000 If you could choose?

01:42:31.000 Would it be Red Panties Night?

01:42:32.000 Oh, man, that's a toss-up.

01:42:38.000 Red Panties Night.

01:42:40.000 I don't know how you could pass up on Red Panties Night.

01:42:41.000 Listen to me, Conor can get it too, but at the same time, it's his choice.

01:42:46.000 Conor has worked to get to the point where if Conor decides, I want to get my ass kicked by Usman, that's his choice.

01:42:52.000 He has the right to make that decision because he's put himself in that position.

01:42:56.000 But it's not a fight that I'm going to beg for that I really want.

01:42:59.000 But I think someone brought it after my last fight that I'm sitting right under George's record for most consecutive wins in the welterweight division.

01:43:09.000 And I think I'm like one behind.

01:43:11.000 And so I think, imagine me breaking that record, fighting the guy that has the record.

01:43:19.000 That would be insane.

01:43:20.000 I think besides Conor, that's the biggest fight to make too.

01:43:23.000 The other biggest fight to make is Khabib.

01:43:25.000 If Khabib decided to go up to 170. Yeah, I would never fight Khabib.

01:43:29.000 Really?

01:43:30.000 Yeah.

01:43:31.000 That's my brother.

01:43:34.000 It's just like a mutual respect where I don't see myself ever fighting Khabib.

01:43:41.000 I don't see myself ever fighting Israel.

01:43:44.000 Even though a lot of people are kind of hinting towards it, they're like, yeah, you guys need to fight, you guys need to fight.

01:43:48.000 I don't see myself fighting him.

01:43:50.000 There's plenty of people fighting.

01:43:52.000 Yeah, plenty of people.

01:43:52.000 Having two belts in Nigeria is better than just having one guy holding two belts.

01:43:56.000 Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

01:43:57.000 I hear what you're saying.

01:43:58.000 And so, yeah, there's no desire there.

01:44:01.000 Man, that's my guy.

01:44:02.000 I'm a giant fan of him.

01:44:03.000 Oh my God.

01:44:04.000 Everything about him.

01:44:05.000 He's hilarious.

01:44:07.000 He's special.

01:44:07.000 He's got a fantastic personality.

01:44:09.000 He could be a huge, huge superstar globally.

01:44:13.000 Oh, he will be.

01:44:13.000 I think he will be.

01:44:14.000 He really could.

01:44:15.000 I mean, he's got everything.

01:44:18.000 First of all, his striking is some of the most intricate, complex, and creative striking I've ever seen.

01:44:23.000 Just fluid.

01:44:25.000 Angles.

01:44:25.000 Fluid.

01:44:26.000 Yeah, just the way he switches stances and sets you up and leaves traps.

01:44:31.000 Yes, and I'm a fan of a lot of UFC fighters.

01:44:35.000 Almost every UFC, like UFC fighters, I'm a fan of.

01:44:38.000 Especially now getting into the analyst work, too.

01:44:41.000 Like, I get to actually have to watch some of these guys that are just making their debuts and things like that.

01:44:45.000 So I'm a fan of a lot of these guys, not just the champions.

01:44:49.000 And, you know, Israel, he's special.

01:44:52.000 He's special.

01:44:53.000 And I get kind of envious, so I'm like, damn, I wish I could do that shit.

01:44:56.000 I wish I could do that shit.

01:44:57.000 I wish I could do this, whip my hands around the way he does it and the way he throws that little question mark kick.

01:45:04.000 I'm a fan of these guys and Israel is one of those guys that's special.

01:45:10.000 Francis, I'm a fan of Francis.

01:45:12.000 I want to be able to swing at somebody even if the punch doesn't land, they fall over.

01:45:17.000 I want to be able to have power like that.

01:45:19.000 Francis' power is preposterous.

01:45:21.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:45:22.000 It's preposterous.

01:45:24.000 It doesn't make sense at all.

01:45:26.000 Well, his power kind of makes sense because he's so big and you see him hit hard.

01:45:31.000 You know who makes no sense?

01:45:33.000 Deontay Wilder.

01:45:34.000 Yeah.

01:45:34.000 Deontay Wilder freaks me out, man.

01:45:37.000 He foreheads guys.

01:45:38.000 Blah!

01:45:38.000 And they just go.

01:45:39.000 Like they just get shot off.

01:45:41.000 I don't think I've ever seen a heavyweight boxer punch like that guy.

01:45:45.000 Because, you know, when he fought Tyson Fury.

01:45:47.000 Throw that.

01:45:48.000 Throw that.

01:45:48.000 Yeah.

01:45:49.000 That straight right?

01:45:50.000 Oh my god.

01:45:51.000 I don't think anyone was ever throwing that.

01:45:53.000 Because straight right, it's a power punch, but it's not really considered the powerful punch that puts you out like a hook or a deadly uppercut.

01:46:02.000 He hits you in the face like anywhere in the face you go unconscious.

01:46:05.000 It doesn't have to hit your jaw.

01:46:06.000 When Luis Ortiz is on the ground going, what in the fuck?

01:46:10.000 And you watch that fight again, you watch the punch land, it landed on his forehead.

01:46:14.000 Yeah.

01:46:14.000 It's crazy.

01:46:15.000 The way he set him up too, which makes it very intriguing to see this Tyson Fury too.

01:46:21.000 Oh my god, so intriguing.

01:46:23.000 The way he set that punch up.

01:46:25.000 The guy's got 42 fights, 40 knockouts, one draw, one decision.

01:46:33.000 What the fuck?

01:46:35.000 I mean, who?

01:46:36.000 Who the fuck has that?

01:46:38.000 That is crazy.

01:46:40.000 Insane.

01:46:40.000 In the history of the heavyweight boxing division, there's never been a guy like that.

01:46:43.000 No.

01:46:43.000 Who starches everybody.

01:46:44.000 The only one he didn't starch was Tyson Fury and that other dude, Stiverne.

01:46:51.000 And then he fucked him up in the rematch.

01:46:53.000 Yeah.

01:46:54.000 That was bad.

01:46:55.000 Crazy.

01:46:55.000 That rematch was real bad.

01:46:56.000 The rematch was crazy.

01:46:57.000 I mean, he basically just swung on him.

01:47:00.000 Yeah.

01:47:01.000 It was like he threw boxing out the window once he had him hurt.

01:47:05.000 All that hood fight.

01:47:07.000 You're just trying to get him off.

01:47:10.000 Get him out of there.

01:47:11.000 Deontay's on another level.

01:47:12.000 He is.

01:47:13.000 The way he lands that punch, it's unreal.

01:47:16.000 But Tyson Fury, man.

01:47:19.000 And I wasn't a fan of Tyson Fury.

01:47:22.000 I wasn't.

01:47:22.000 I was just like...

01:47:23.000 Because I come from the era of watching guys like Mike Tyson, who...

01:47:27.000 Who's just there to bang it out in boxing.

01:47:30.000 But Tyson Fury, the way that he boxes, makes you miss, slips, and just rolls punches.

01:47:36.000 And for a guy who's 6'9".

01:47:37.000 And he's goofy looking.

01:47:39.000 He's so crazy.

01:47:40.000 He acts goofy too.

01:47:41.000 He's got that goofy personality.

01:47:43.000 But to watch him box is beautiful.

01:47:45.000 It's beautiful.

01:47:46.000 It's amazing.

01:47:47.000 And just big respect to him.

01:47:50.000 Just the fact that he got off the deck.

01:47:53.000 The 12th round, I was at home like, oh shit, he knocked him out in the 12th round.

01:47:57.000 Did you see the way he got up?

01:47:58.000 Like Lazarus.

01:47:59.000 He was possessed.

01:48:01.000 Just up.

01:48:02.000 I'm good, I'm good.

01:48:02.000 And he didn't even look wobbly.

01:48:03.000 Yeah, he was like, I'm good, I'm good.

01:48:05.000 And arguably won the rest of that round.

01:48:07.000 Yes, yes.

01:48:08.000 Stunned him.

01:48:08.000 Stunned Deontay.

01:48:09.000 It was crazy.

01:48:10.000 It was crazy to me.

01:48:11.000 Crazy to me.

01:48:12.000 I can't wait to see that second fight.

01:48:13.000 Ooh, that's going to be interesting.

01:48:15.000 That heavyweight boxing division is fucking very, very interesting.

01:48:18.000 It is.

01:48:19.000 Those top...

01:48:20.000 I want to say top five guys.

01:48:22.000 I was very sad for Andy Ruiz, though.

01:48:24.000 I was like, you know, it's one thing if Joshua came back with a great game plan and beat him, but it was also like Andy's preparation was so bad.

01:48:31.000 I wasn't sad for him.

01:48:34.000 I was disappointed in him.

01:48:36.000 That's a better word.

01:48:38.000 I was extremely, extremely disappointed.

01:48:41.000 It's like, who in your circle is that big of an idiot that can't make you take this seriously?

01:48:49.000 Because the only way to guarantee that you get another big payday is to go out there and win that fight.

01:48:54.000 Because now you're still the champion.

01:48:56.000 Like, the big payday has got to come.

01:48:58.000 Right.

01:48:59.000 But now, people are just going to avoid it.

01:49:00.000 No one cares.

01:49:01.000 Yeah.

01:49:02.000 Yeah, no one cares now.

01:49:03.000 People might not even fight you again because you're a tough fight and they get nothing out of beating you.

01:49:08.000 But there's also something about, like...

01:49:12.000 Mexican boxing is so deeply rich with tradition and Mexican fighters are so proud.

01:49:21.000 Like if you go back and think about all the great Mexican champions, when a Mexican fighter falls short or they don't show heart, like look at Julio Cesar Chavez's son.

01:49:30.000 Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., bro, they shit on that guy hard.

01:49:34.000 Yeah, but I think that comes...

01:49:36.000 When he quit in that last fight?

01:49:37.000 I think that comes...

01:49:37.000 I feel like he's quit in the last couple of fights.

01:49:40.000 Yeah.

01:49:40.000 But I think some people just can't handle the expectations put upon you.

01:49:46.000 I think there's that, but I think with him...

01:49:49.000 I mean, he might be doing it for the wrong reasons.

01:49:52.000 Exactly.

01:49:52.000 It's almost like you shouldn't have even been in boxing in the first place.

01:49:55.000 But he grew up rich.

01:49:57.000 I mean, your dad is one of the greatest boxers of all time.

01:50:00.000 He's a huge superstar, and you're following in his footsteps.

01:50:03.000 I mean, Julio Cesar Chavez is a fucking savage.

01:50:08.000 Yeah.

01:50:08.000 I mean, his dad was one of the all-time greats.

01:50:12.000 Yes.

01:50:13.000 And to just to fall short with that guy as your dad I mean that has got to be so it's just gonna be so hard to follow his footsteps.

01:50:20.000 But that's the thing is and I think that's where dads could do a better job of Making the kids being okay with not actually having to do what I did.

01:50:30.000 You don't have to be a boxer or a champ, a boxer.

01:50:34.000 And I know it's easier said than done because as men, we want that bond with our kids.

01:50:41.000 We want to see our kids do what we did and do it better so we can be there and be proud of them.

01:50:47.000 But, you know, he didn't necessarily have to box.

01:50:50.000 No.

01:50:51.000 And, you know, the worst part of that whole situation is you chose to box, but you're not all the way in.

01:50:57.000 Well, he missed weight too.

01:50:58.000 Yeah, I mean, he's done that before.

01:51:00.000 I think he missed weight for the Canelo fight, didn't he?

01:51:02.000 Yeah.

01:51:03.000 It's really crazy because he's a good fucking puncher.

01:51:06.000 He's a tough guy.

01:51:07.000 He's a big guy, but for whatever reason...

01:51:12.000 Have you ever thought about a boxing match?

01:51:14.000 Absolutely.

01:51:15.000 Have you really?

01:51:16.000 I actually thought I was going to, instead of MMA, I actually wanted to box.

01:51:20.000 Really?

01:51:21.000 Yeah, because I was living at the Olympic Training Center.

01:51:24.000 And my girlfriend at the time was an Olympic boxer.

01:51:29.000 Whoa!

01:51:30.000 Yeah, and so I was like, man, this wrestling thing is not really working out because I've been hurt a few times and it's hurting my motivation to want to be Olympic champion wrestler.

01:51:41.000 So I can tell my motivation was starting to die now.

01:51:44.000 And I'm like, what else can I do?

01:51:46.000 But I still want to compete.

01:51:48.000 And of course, you know, dating a boxer and having to kind of watch them, now you start to be engulfed in what they're doing and the preparation and I'm deeply enriched in it now to where...

01:51:58.000 And I was already a boxing fan, but now I'm actually starting to learn what's going on.

01:52:02.000 And I'm like, maybe I should just come back and box for the next four years and try to make the Olympic team and go win the Olympics.

01:52:08.000 But then I'm like, wait.

01:52:09.000 So I'm going to throw away this skill that I just spent almost 10 years perfecting and learning?

01:52:15.000 Just throw that away and then just start a new sport off the rip.

01:52:20.000 You're an idiot.

01:52:21.000 How old were you at the time?

01:52:22.000 I might have been, what, 23, 24?

01:52:25.000 So now you've been striking for many, many years now.

01:52:29.000 Yeah.

01:52:29.000 And so when you see something happen like with Connor and Floyd Mayweather, if something like that comes your way, would I take it?

01:52:37.000 Would you take it?

01:52:38.000 Absolutely.

01:52:39.000 Absolutely.

01:52:40.000 No, the issue, the thing with that is a lot of people are going to say, no.

01:52:45.000 You can't box.

01:52:46.000 You can't box like these guys.

01:52:47.000 No, listen, at the end of the day, no, I'm not conditioned to be able to box like them.

01:52:52.000 To be able to go 12 three-minute rounds, even though, yes, MMA rounds, the five-minute rounds might be more intense than those three-minute rounds, but it's different conditioning.

01:53:01.000 To be able to slip punches, move, and throw punches, and block punches, and be efficient and comfortable.

01:53:08.000 Man, it's hard work.

01:53:10.000 MMA fighters, we go into boxing, you do four rounds, and you feel like you want to die.

01:53:14.000 To where a boxer can come into MMA and might not even be able to get through a round.

01:53:20.000 It's just different mechanics.

01:53:22.000 Just being able to work the mind and relax the mind to get the work done, it's different.

01:53:27.000 Yeah, it's stunning.

01:53:29.000 I would definitely give it a try because, I mean, that's part of being a champion.

01:53:34.000 It's taking on new challenges and going out there and giving it your best shot.

01:53:38.000 Well, a fight like that would be Canelo, right?

01:53:41.000 Because Canelo just won the 175-pound title.

01:53:45.000 Are you trying to throw me to the wolves?

01:53:47.000 I mean, that would be the big fight.

01:53:49.000 I mean, I'm not trying to throw you to the wolves, but if they came with you with that big Floyd Mayweather money.

01:53:53.000 To fight Canelo?

01:53:57.000 Like, if they started doing shit like that...

01:53:58.000 I would give it my all.

01:54:00.000 I think I would take that.

01:54:01.000 Absolutely.

01:54:01.000 Would you really?

01:54:02.000 Yeah, I think I would take that.

01:54:03.000 Would you like one fight first, though?

01:54:04.000 Would you like a boxing match first?

01:54:06.000 Because I think, like, Conor, when Conor fought Floyd, Floyd's a genius.

01:54:11.000 Yeah, but I would, of course, I would spar with that.

01:54:13.000 I'd get some big-time boxers in there to spar with me, and it would really help me prepare.

01:54:16.000 How much time would you need?

01:54:18.000 Because what I'm saying is Floyd was a genius.

01:54:19.000 He gave Conor a very short window of time to get ready.

01:54:23.000 Floyd was like, yeah, I'll give you like six weeks.

01:54:25.000 But Floyd's a mastermind.

01:54:27.000 He's a mastermind.

01:54:28.000 That's his game.

01:54:29.000 That's his world.

01:54:29.000 He knows what he's doing there.

01:54:30.000 If you were going to fight a real, legit boxer...

01:54:33.000 Canelo?

01:54:34.000 Danny Jacobs, someone like that.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, Danny Jacobs, six months.

01:54:37.000 Six months.

01:54:37.000 Yeah, six months.

01:54:38.000 Six months to be confident in my preparation.

01:54:42.000 To just go out there and do it.

01:54:43.000 I mean, yeah, of course I could do it in less time, but six months for me to do it right.

01:54:47.000 To feel confident going in there to box a boxer.

01:54:51.000 I'm not saying that I would definitely win.

01:54:53.000 No, it's me.

01:54:55.000 I'm going to give it my all.

01:54:57.000 You're not going to just walk over me.

01:54:58.000 You're going to feel me.

01:55:00.000 I'm not trying to set you up with a big fight, but what I'm saying is with Zufa boxing right now, because the UFC is getting involved in boxing, and they do have some plans on promoting some big boxing matches and perhaps having some crossover fights.

01:55:14.000 Terrence Crawford is talking about fighting.

01:55:17.000 He's like, I'll fight you one boxing match with Conor.

01:55:20.000 He's like, I'll fight you one boxing match, and we'll fight you one MMA match.

01:55:24.000 I think he can do it.

01:55:25.000 I think Terrence could do anything.

01:55:27.000 I mean, you see his kids are wrestlers.

01:55:29.000 Yes, yes.

01:55:29.000 He can wrestle.

01:55:30.000 You know, from Omaha, you from that Midwest, you've touched the mat a couple times.

01:55:35.000 You've wrestled a bit.

01:55:36.000 And his hands.

01:55:38.000 Dude, that guy.

01:55:39.000 And that guy switches up as good as anybody on the planet.

01:55:42.000 He's...

01:55:43.000 That's the thing I was going to say.

01:55:44.000 That's a guy that I like to watch a lot, too.

01:55:47.000 Boxing.

01:55:47.000 He's an artist.

01:55:48.000 Learn some things from him.

01:55:51.000 He's very good.

01:55:52.000 He's an orthodox fighter.

01:55:53.000 But when he switches southpaw, he's deadly.

01:55:55.000 He's just as good.

01:55:57.000 If not better.

01:55:58.000 Yeah, he can do anything.

01:56:00.000 And he's like a computer.

01:56:02.000 He starts seeing where there's openings, finds your weaknesses, and then starts putting it on you and putting it on you.

01:56:08.000 Terrence is special.

01:56:09.000 He's got a dog in him, too.

01:56:11.000 Yes.

01:56:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:12.000 He loves it.

01:56:13.000 He loves it.

01:56:14.000 That's the thing that a lot of people might not take away, but when he turns on that dog, you're in trouble.

01:56:20.000 Yeah.

01:56:20.000 No, he's special.

01:56:21.000 I think he could do it.

01:56:22.000 I think he could, too.

01:56:23.000 I just don't know if he's famous enough to entice.

01:56:27.000 Not making Floyd and Conor money.

01:56:30.000 Right, right.

01:56:31.000 I mean, who knows?

01:56:33.000 I mean, maybe Conor wants to have a bunch of...

01:56:35.000 Look, Conor's got probably $100 million in the bank, right?

01:56:39.000 He probably...

01:56:39.000 If he's doing it right now, he's barely doing it for the money anyway.

01:56:43.000 He's doing it for the challenge and for the rise.

01:56:45.000 It might be something that he would be interested in.

01:56:47.000 But he just said he wants a billy.

01:56:51.000 He might get there.

01:56:52.000 I think he well enough could get there.

01:56:55.000 I mean, they posted his earnings the other day on one of the pay-per-views that we just did, and they were saying that he's already made more than $200 million in his career.

01:57:03.000 Yeah.

01:57:03.000 That's a fifth of the way.

01:57:05.000 Yeah.

01:57:05.000 No, I definitely think he can do it.

01:57:08.000 A bill.

01:57:09.000 A bill.

01:57:10.000 I mean, I'm shooting for $250 million.

01:57:13.000 $250 million?

01:57:14.000 Yes.

01:57:14.000 And then you retire?

01:57:16.000 I think, not retire, I'm going to do other jobs as well, but $250 million, I think, because at that point, it's generational wealth.

01:57:24.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:57:25.000 It's something that my kids' kids and my family is going to be able to live off of.

01:57:31.000 That's dynasty money.

01:57:32.000 Yeah, that's all I care about.

01:57:34.000 When you say you do other things, what do you think you'll do when you stop fighting?

01:57:38.000 I'm still passionate, but I want to be a marriage counselor.

01:57:41.000 A marriage counselor?

01:57:42.000 If I wasn't fighting, that was what I'd be doing.

01:57:44.000 That is hilarious.

01:57:46.000 Do you know how funny that is?

01:57:48.000 Yeah, me and my wife went to see a marriage counselor.

01:57:50.000 Who?

01:57:51.000 Kamaru Usman.

01:57:52.000 What?

01:57:53.000 What the fuck did you just say?

01:57:55.000 Yeah, he's sidelined.

01:57:57.000 He's got a side gig.

01:57:57.000 He's a marriage counselor.

01:57:59.000 Yeah, I want to be a marriage counselor.

01:58:00.000 Why?

01:58:01.000 It's just something about it.

01:58:04.000 I was always, I think, personally, I was always very good at being able to step back from situations and what's going on, keep a level head, and being able to dissect what's going on from this side and give advice.

01:58:19.000 And I do this with my friends.

01:58:21.000 When my friends tell you, like, think of your boy tell you a story like, man, this happened with my daughter's mom, my wife, or this and that.

01:58:30.000 You know, she came home and she said this and that and all this.

01:58:34.000 And then she kicked me out of the house.

01:58:36.000 Man, she's wrong for this.

01:58:38.000 But when they're telling the story, I don't know why, but in my head, how I'm taking it in is he's saying, oh, she called me a bitch.

01:58:46.000 But what did you say before that?

01:58:50.000 Naturally, that goes into my head.

01:58:52.000 What did you say before that?

01:58:54.000 And then she threw this at me.

01:58:56.000 Why did she throw that?

01:58:57.000 What did you do?

01:58:57.000 What did you say?

01:58:59.000 So when everyone tells you a story, when they say there's three sides to every story, there's yours, hers, and I literally, like in my mind, that's what goes on when someone's telling me a story.

01:59:10.000 But do you know how funny it is that you want to be a marriage counselor?

01:59:15.000 Do you understand how crazy that sounds?

01:59:17.000 Yeah, it does sound weird, but...

01:59:19.000 You're the UFC welterweight champion of the world.

01:59:21.000 You go out and smash people, and you're like, I think I'll be a marriage counselor.

01:59:26.000 Okay, we'll narrow it down.

01:59:28.000 If you give me a list of a hundred things, do you think Kamaru Usman wants to be a longshoreman?

01:59:33.000 Does he want to be a brain surgeon?

01:59:35.000 Does he want to be a fighter pilot?

01:59:37.000 Marriage counselors are number 100. I'm like, that's definitely not real.

01:59:40.000 He definitely doesn't want to be a marriage counselor.

01:59:43.000 That's not real.

01:59:44.000 Yeah, that marriage counselor would be there.

01:59:46.000 Or just a counselor of some sort.

01:59:49.000 A counselor.

01:59:50.000 Yeah, helping shape and mold.

01:59:54.000 When I leave this world, I want to leave it better than when I came in.

01:59:58.000 Or when I lived through it.

01:59:59.000 I want to leave it in a better situation.

02:00:02.000 Yeah.

02:00:02.000 Well, one thing you can do, you could have a tremendous impact on young people because of what you've accomplished, where you've come from, how inspirational you are, and then just the physical difficulties you're dealing with while you're doing that, with your injuries and all the preparation that you have to do to fight for the title and your honesty about it.

02:00:22.000 When people, when a young person hears your story like that, it'll make them think, like, with hard work, Anything is possible with the right mindset and the right discipline.

02:00:33.000 Almost anything is possible.

02:00:34.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:00:36.000 Anything is possible because, you know, everybody thinks nowadays, oh, I'm limited.

02:00:41.000 I can't do that because it is.

02:00:42.000 I can't do it.

02:00:43.000 And it's funny because my daughter sometimes, you know, will be, she's, when we're tying her, you know, her shoes, there was a certain point where I'm teaching her to tie her shoes and she gets to the point where she can do it.

02:00:56.000 She's doing it.

02:00:57.000 She's doing it.

02:00:58.000 And then she'll just decide one day that she doesn't want to do it.

02:01:03.000 So she'll play this game like, Daddy, I can't do it.

02:01:07.000 I'm like, why?

02:01:08.000 Why can't you do it?

02:01:09.000 She's like, because I'm four.

02:01:13.000 I can't do it because I'm only four.

02:01:15.000 So I don't know how to do it.

02:01:17.000 I'm like, but you did it yesterday, right?

02:01:19.000 You can do it.

02:01:20.000 No, I can't do it.

02:01:22.000 I don't know how to do it.

02:01:24.000 And mentally, she just wants to feel that she can't do it.

02:01:28.000 Because everyone's like, oh, you're four years old.

02:01:30.000 She knows she's four years old.

02:01:32.000 So she wants to just, I'm four, so I shouldn't be able to do it.

02:01:34.000 I don't want to do it.

02:01:35.000 And I'm like, no, you can do anything that you want to do.

02:01:39.000 Or she'll be outside playing soccer because I got her into soccer.

02:01:43.000 And she's like, no, I can't.

02:01:44.000 I'm not good.

02:01:45.000 I can't play.

02:01:46.000 I don't know how to do it.

02:01:47.000 I'm like, yeah, you can do it.

02:01:49.000 No, but I didn't get the ball today.

02:01:51.000 I don't know how to play.

02:01:52.000 I'm like, you can do anything you want to do if you put your mind to it, baby.

02:01:56.000 You can do anything.

02:01:58.000 And even when I say that to her, I'm like, she's only five.

02:02:03.000 But if I say it enough, by the time she's 10, it's going to stick in her mind.

02:02:07.000 It's there.

02:02:08.000 And so the fact that people go through life like that now, oh, I can't do it because I can't do it.

02:02:14.000 I'm not supposed to do it.

02:02:16.000 People just feel like, no, I shouldn't be able to do it.

02:02:20.000 But it's the matter of putting the work in.

02:02:23.000 Like, you can't tell somebody, like, if they do something well enough over and over and over and over and over, they're not going to improve.

02:02:33.000 Even though you suck, you're going to get good at sucking at some point.

02:02:37.000 Like, you're going to improve.

02:02:39.000 And so people just don't want to try sometimes because they're just like, oh, I can't do it.

02:02:43.000 I can't be good enough at that, so I won't do it.

02:02:46.000 And I learned that lesson the hard way because when I started wrestling, I used to see there was this poster that ASIC put out, USA Wrestling.

02:02:54.000 They put out this poster of the best wrestlers in the country in high school.

02:03:00.000 And I remember the first time I went to Fargo, I was looking at the poster.

02:03:03.000 And he's just nerdy looking kids.

02:03:06.000 I mean, there's just one kid.

02:03:08.000 He was super nerdy.

02:03:09.000 He had glasses.

02:03:13.000 I'm like, you know, the kind of kid that I know kids picked on at my school.

02:03:19.000 And then I see the name, I read the name, and I hear it.

02:03:23.000 I'm like, oh, okay, I don't know who that is, because he's from some other state.

02:03:28.000 Maybe like Pennsylvania or something.

02:03:30.000 And then I could hear through the loudspeaker, they call, they're like, oh, this kid's wrestling on mat one.

02:03:36.000 So then I look at mat one, and yeah, he looks goofy.

02:03:39.000 Goofy looking kid.

02:03:41.000 See, he walk up to the mat, takes his glasses off, puts them down, goes out there, and just whips the shit out of these other kids.

02:03:48.000 Like, I mean, he was rolling kids up.

02:03:51.000 I'm like, what?

02:03:57.000 What just happened?

02:03:59.000 Rolling kids up.

02:04:00.000 And I think if he can do it and, you know, that's the kind of kid that you would look at and judge and like, oh man, I can bully this kid.

02:04:07.000 That'd be a bad day for a bully.

02:04:09.000 Well, how about Chase Hooper?

02:04:10.000 Really bad day.

02:04:11.000 You know Chase Hooper, the 20-year-old kid that's fighting in the UFC? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:04:15.000 The one with the curly hair?

02:04:16.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 He says, I'm going to go get M&Ms afterwards.

02:04:19.000 He went up to Masvidal and said, you beat up my dad.

02:04:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:04:23.000 And Masvidal's like, what?

02:04:25.000 He's like, I did?

02:04:26.000 Hey, man, I'm sorry.

02:04:27.000 I'm just fucking around.

02:04:30.000 He's hilarious.

02:04:31.000 That kid, my wife saw him, she goes, he looks like he goes to Calabasas High.

02:04:34.000 He looks like a kid with a backpack.

02:04:37.000 Like, hey, how's everybody doing?

02:04:39.000 Like, he's gonna play video games.

02:04:40.000 He'll fuck you up.

02:04:42.000 He will fuck you up.

02:04:43.000 He's a nasty grappler, too.

02:04:46.000 His jiu-jitsu is very legit.

02:04:48.000 Yeah, tough kid.

02:04:49.000 And he can take it, too, man.

02:04:51.000 Like, he got cracked in that fight, and he just rolls with shit, and just, he's all jujitsu.

02:04:55.000 Like, his most jujitsu and ground and pound.

02:04:58.000 Yeah.

02:04:58.000 Fucking 20 years old.

02:05:00.000 And he's so cute.

02:05:02.000 He's cute.

02:05:02.000 You see him, like, pull up a video of Chase Cooper.

02:05:05.000 He's a cute kid.

02:05:06.000 Look at him.

02:05:06.000 Oh, my God.

02:05:08.000 Come on, man.

02:05:08.000 You would never believe.

02:05:09.000 He's got that teenage chest, too, you know, when the muscles aren't really in yet.

02:05:13.000 I remember having that chest where I'd be in the mirror, like, trying to make my boobs move.

02:05:17.000 Like...

02:05:20.000 He's tough as shit, man.

02:05:21.000 He's a savage.

02:05:22.000 I like his approach.

02:05:24.000 He's a good fighter, too, man.

02:05:26.000 He's a really good fighter.

02:05:28.000 God's like, these are the future of the sport.

02:05:30.000 And afterwards, he's talking about, oh, I'm going to go get some candy.

02:05:33.000 I think I saw a clip of Dana White talking about that.

02:05:36.000 I was interviewing him, and he was saying he's going to go get candy after the fight.

02:05:40.000 I was like, okay.

02:05:41.000 He's going to get M&M's or something.

02:05:42.000 My daughter just told me the other day, she's like, Daddy, do you know there's an M&M's store in New York?

02:05:46.000 I was like, what?

02:05:48.000 You can get M&M's anywhere.

02:05:49.000 We don't have to go to fucking New York.

02:05:51.000 But I guess there's like these stores, these like the M&M's store.

02:05:54.000 Like they actually have a store store to where they like sell all the products, M&M products, whether it's flask, it's clothes, it's stuff.

02:06:01.000 Is that necessary?

02:06:02.000 It feels like M&M's are readily available.

02:06:06.000 Yeah.

02:06:06.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:06:07.000 It's like if they had a Diet Coke store.

02:06:09.000 Do we just need a store?

02:06:11.000 There has to be a Coke store, isn't there?

02:06:13.000 I think there is.

02:06:15.000 There's got to be a Coke store.

02:06:16.000 But the M&M store?

02:06:17.000 That sounds so crazy.

02:06:18.000 Yeah, it's a big thing, I think.

02:06:21.000 Big, big store.

02:06:22.000 I mean, I'm a fan of M&M. I like the peanut ones.

02:06:24.000 I used to like M&M's.

02:06:25.000 Peanut ones are the shit.

02:06:27.000 If I'm in a hotel and they got a snack bar and it's peanut M&M's, I'm like, oh man.

02:06:30.000 You know what?

02:06:31.000 I had a little thing with those in college.

02:06:33.000 Yes!

02:06:34.000 Those are my favorite.

02:06:35.000 I love peanut M&M's.

02:06:37.000 Yeah, I used to.

02:06:37.000 There was a...

02:06:39.000 The little fun-sized one, they'd be in the little vending machine.

02:06:42.000 When I was in college, I was the laundry guy for the sports athletic team.

02:06:52.000 So that was my work.

02:06:53.000 I had a work-study job.

02:06:55.000 And so, yes, All-American wrestler, but then I did the laundry for all the athletes.

02:07:00.000 A lot of them didn't know, but I would go practice, go to school, whatnot, and then go home.

02:07:07.000 And then after all the sports were done at night, I would come back into the school to go do all the athletes' laundry and hang them up for them to have tomorrow before they all go to practice.

02:07:17.000 Football, basketball, soccer, all the sports.

02:07:21.000 And so they were these M&M things.

02:07:23.000 So that was like my treat.

02:07:24.000 That was like my little snack thing that I would have even when I was cutting weight.

02:07:30.000 That was my little cheat deal.

02:07:31.000 It had like maybe six little peanut M&Ms in there, but then I got a little addicted to those.

02:07:36.000 I like them because you can pretend you're eating something good because there's protein in them.

02:07:41.000 It's the only candy that you can have that actually gives you protein.

02:07:44.000 It makes yourself feel good, huh?

02:07:45.000 You're like, yeah, there's protein in here.

02:07:46.000 It's healthy.

02:07:47.000 But it is!

02:07:48.000 Like, how much protein do you think is in a bag of peanut M&Ms?

02:07:51.000 Gotta be a few grams.

02:07:54.000 A bag?

02:07:55.000 Like, a good size?

02:07:56.000 One of the nice bags?

02:07:57.000 The big bag?

02:07:58.000 Yeah, a good bag.

02:07:59.000 Because I'll fuck up a big bag of peanut M&Ms.

02:08:02.000 How much?

02:08:03.000 There's gotta be.

02:08:04.000 Let's say a large bag.

02:08:06.000 No.

02:08:06.000 Two, three grams.

02:08:07.000 It might be more.

02:08:08.000 Really?

02:08:09.000 I don't know.

02:08:10.000 Nah.

02:08:11.000 Because the whole bag, a serving size is the whole bag, right?

02:08:14.000 Let's see what it says.

02:08:14.000 One package contains two grams of dietary fiber.

02:08:17.000 Five grams of protein!

02:08:18.000 Woo!

02:08:19.000 Peanut M&Ms, because they're rich in protein and fiber, can actually help you stave off hunger cravings by leaving you feeling fuller longer.

02:08:26.000 Did you know?

02:08:27.000 That sounds like an ad.

02:08:28.000 Yeah, that does.

02:08:30.000 Superiornutstore.com, that sounds like the wrong name for something.

02:08:37.000 I got RZA from Wu-Tang Clan was here.

02:08:39.000 Yo, RZA is a vegan.

02:08:41.000 And I had this F-bomb, this nut butter.

02:08:44.000 Yeah.

02:08:45.000 And it was there and he's like, nut butter?

02:08:46.000 He's like, they need a better fucking name.

02:08:49.000 And Don L. Roberts is going to...

02:08:51.000 There's a lot of products out there now that are just like putting it out there.

02:08:55.000 Yeah.

02:08:56.000 Nut butter.

02:08:56.000 There's that, what is it?

02:08:59.000 Is it Manscaped or something like that?

02:09:01.000 Yeah.

02:09:02.000 And they make something, they make what's called ball wash.

02:09:09.000 I'm like, just take no subtlety in it at all.

02:09:14.000 Yeah, these are just for your balls.

02:09:15.000 Yeah, just wash your balls.

02:09:17.000 That's what it is.

02:09:17.000 Just wash your balls.

02:09:18.000 Ball wash.

02:09:19.000 Yeah, we don't need to beat around the bush here, literally.

02:09:21.000 Yeah, so they just, I mean, they just put it out there.

02:09:24.000 Yeah.

02:09:25.000 Superior nut store in the house.

02:09:27.000 But five grams of protein is legitimate.

02:09:30.000 Makes you feel better about yourself now.

02:09:32.000 That's legitimate.

02:09:33.000 That's like an actual amount of protein.

02:09:35.000 And the chocolate is supposed to be...

02:09:38.000 If it was dark chocolate.

02:09:39.000 Someone needs to make a real good chocolate one.

02:09:43.000 A good solid dark chocolate, like cacao.

02:09:46.000 So you actually get the antioxidants from the dark chocolate.

02:09:50.000 So the chocolate that's been sold in the store, that's not the good chocolate?

02:09:53.000 It's not the worst thing for you.

02:09:55.000 Of all the candy, I bet chocolate is...

02:09:58.000 Does chocolate always have cacao in it?

02:10:03.000 Does it?

02:10:04.000 Do you know?

02:10:06.000 I feel like that's the definition of it.

02:10:11.000 My favorite cheat dessert is dark chocolate and peanut butter.

02:10:18.000 I like Reese's peanut butter cups, but I remember like, you got your peanut in my chocolate.

02:10:24.000 You got your chocolate in my peanut butter.

02:10:25.000 It's delicious.

02:10:26.000 Remember that?

02:10:27.000 Yeah.

02:10:27.000 And I was like, well, why fuck around?

02:10:29.000 Why not just get a bowl of fucking peanut butter and an actual good chocolate bar and mix those two up together?

02:10:35.000 It's fucking way better than a Reese's peanut butter cup.

02:10:38.000 Really?

02:10:38.000 Oh, man.

02:10:39.000 Yeah, like good organic peanut butter and like a real good dark chocolate.

02:10:45.000 It's fucking delicious.

02:10:46.000 And you don't feel that guilty.

02:10:48.000 Yeah.

02:10:48.000 Because you're getting like real peanut butter and like real good dark chocolate.

02:10:52.000 It's kind of good for you.

02:10:53.000 Yeah.

02:10:54.000 Well, I mean you could kind of be a you know the testament of that because you're like weirdly like in shape like no one really like people talk about like People make up these fantasy matches Joe Rogan versus this guy I'm not fighting anybody but the thing is you don't look 50 so you're like one of those Weirdly organic like in shape guy I'm scared of losing it.

02:11:18.000 Joe Rogan could kick someone's ass.

02:11:20.000 I just keep it going.

02:11:21.000 Because one day the wheels are going to fall off.

02:11:23.000 Right now I could do pretty much everything.

02:11:25.000 But one day...

02:11:26.000 Sometimes I'll work out, I'll hit the bag, and I'm like, this is amazing, I can still do this.

02:11:30.000 Because one day I'm going to be throwing a kick and I'm going to be like...

02:11:33.000 It's just a matter of time.

02:11:36.000 My back is just definitely...

02:11:39.000 It's a lot.

02:11:40.000 There's a lot fucked up in there.

02:11:41.000 There's a lot of discs are shrinking.

02:11:43.000 My discs are getting compressed.

02:11:45.000 I do all these stretches on these different...

02:11:49.000 There's a reverse hyper machine that decompresses your discs.

02:11:52.000 But that's the one thing as you get older, particularly if you've done wrestling or jiu-jitsu.

02:11:56.000 Your discs get squished.

02:11:59.000 And so many guys have to get their discs fused.

02:12:02.000 Yeah, DC... Remember DC threw out his back.

02:12:07.000 Yeah.

02:12:07.000 Before he threw out the day of the fight, I think, when he fought Derrick Lewis.

02:12:12.000 Really?

02:12:12.000 I think he...

02:12:13.000 I remember the day of that fight in the morning.

02:12:17.000 It was like a Saturday morning.

02:12:18.000 I'm getting ready to head out and go to practice.

02:12:21.000 And I get a call.

02:12:22.000 It's from DC. I'm like, what is the champ called?

02:12:25.000 You got fights.

02:12:25.000 What are you calling me for?

02:12:26.000 So I pick up the phone.

02:12:27.000 I'm like, yo, what's up, champ?

02:12:29.000 And he's like, yo, you got Heather's number?

02:12:33.000 I was like, what?

02:12:34.000 And there's the physical therapist for the UFC, the head physical therapist.

02:12:40.000 And I'm like, yeah, I got her number.

02:12:42.000 What, you good?

02:12:43.000 He's like, I just woke up, I sneezed, and I threw out my back.

02:12:51.000 Heavyweight champion of the world.

02:12:54.000 Sneezes.

02:12:54.000 And threw out his back.

02:12:55.000 And I remember laughing at him.

02:12:57.000 I'm like, yeah, because I thought he was joking.

02:13:00.000 But he's like, yeah, man, I don't think I'm going to...

02:13:02.000 I got to fight this fight.

02:13:04.000 I'm like, whoa, he's serious.

02:13:06.000 And so, you know, Heather works on him.

02:13:08.000 Of course, he goes out there and puts on an amazing performance and winning that fight.

02:13:13.000 But before this last fight...

02:13:16.000 I woke up.

02:13:17.000 I've got my bags and stuff.

02:13:18.000 And in the morning, I'm getting ready to get in the car and I sneeze.

02:13:23.000 And I hear a little pop in my back.

02:13:26.000 No!

02:13:26.000 My back is out.

02:13:28.000 I'm like, no!

02:13:31.000 I'm barely turning.

02:13:32.000 I'm like, what?

02:13:33.000 Just, I'm like, almost crying.

02:13:36.000 And the first thing I go to, I'm like, I'm 32. I'm only 32. I'm only 32. What is going on?

02:13:43.000 I'm only 32. I just sneezed and my back is out.

02:13:46.000 And I call my strength and conditioning coach.

02:13:48.000 I'm like, yo, Corey, I don't know if I'll behave at all, bro.

02:13:51.000 I just sneezed and I threw out my back, bro.

02:13:54.000 And he's like, what?

02:13:55.000 I was like, yeah, I just sneezed and I threw out my back, man.

02:13:57.000 Because at that point, it's like one thing after another.

02:14:00.000 And my hand was hurt, you know, not too long before that.

02:14:04.000 And he's just like, come in, you know, we'll do some stretches and, you know, I'll stretch you and do some certain things and then we'll try to loosen it up.

02:14:13.000 And it was bad for like three or four days.

02:14:15.000 Like really bad.

02:14:17.000 Jesus Christ!

02:14:18.000 Really bad to where I'm just like...

02:14:21.000 What is happening with the body?

02:14:24.000 So what do you do when that happens?

02:14:26.000 Do you ice it?

02:14:27.000 Do you put heat on it?

02:14:28.000 It was, you know, because I got to train.

02:14:30.000 That's the thing with me.

02:14:31.000 It's like I have to train.

02:14:33.000 Right.

02:14:33.000 And so I put heat on it because heat loosens everything up so you can go out and actually somewhat move it around and train.

02:14:41.000 So I just tried to stretch, tried to kind of, you know, do certain things.

02:14:46.000 That I could do.

02:14:47.000 Because I could barely get in the car at this point.

02:14:49.000 It's so crazy that sometimes things like that will happen.

02:14:52.000 One of the worst times I ever hurt my neck was in the shower.

02:14:55.000 Just turn to grab something like shampoo back when I had hair.

02:14:58.000 I turned for shampoo and something went pop.

02:15:01.000 I'm like, ah!

02:15:02.000 Didn't make any sense.

02:15:04.000 And I had to drive to Vegas.

02:15:06.000 Me and my friends went to see some kickboxing event in Vegas.

02:15:09.000 And I'm driving.

02:15:10.000 I literally couldn't do this to park.

02:15:13.000 If I was going to turn around, I had to turn around.

02:15:16.000 My whole body had to turn around.

02:15:17.000 My neck was not moving.

02:15:19.000 From just turning.

02:15:21.000 Just turning.

02:15:22.000 Crazy how the body works.

02:15:24.000 Just like that.

02:15:25.000 Pop out!

02:15:27.000 For no reason.

02:15:28.000 And now I see a car because I got some, you know, who was it?

02:15:32.000 Errol Spence, you know, the boxer.

02:15:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:15:35.000 So I was training at their gym when I was in town because I worked with his coach sometimes.

02:15:43.000 And I'm like, I forgot what they were saying.

02:15:46.000 He was like, back was tight one day or something like that.

02:15:49.000 I was like, you got a good chiropractor out here that you see?

02:15:52.000 He's like, nah, I don't do that stuff.

02:15:54.000 I was like, what you mean?

02:15:55.000 He's like, yeah, my...

02:15:57.000 I don't know whether it's his dad has said something to him early on or he's just like, I don't believe in that.

02:16:04.000 I think they make you worse off than when you went in.

02:16:07.000 And I've just been seeing chiropractors for a while.

02:16:11.000 I'm like, damn, is he right?

02:16:13.000 Do you know how chiropractors were invented?

02:16:16.000 No.

02:16:16.000 You ready for this?

02:16:18.000 Chiropractors were invented in the 1800s by a magnetic healer.

02:16:22.000 During a seance, he apparently came up with this idea that you could fix all the ailments of the body by manipulating the spine.

02:16:30.000 He was murdered by his son.

02:16:32.000 His son ran him over with a car.

02:16:34.000 His son was a con man and his son took over the business.

02:16:38.000 that chiropractic healing could fix all these problems.

02:16:42.000 Literally the whole art of chiropractic manipulation.

02:16:46.000 And I'm not denying that some people do get pain relief from chiropractors.

02:16:50.000 And most chiropractors today really act more as physical therapists.

02:16:53.000 They do a lot of deep tissue work, a lot of other things.

02:16:56.000 But the origin of chiropractic medicine came from a fucking bullshit artist.

02:17:02.000 A straight up bullshit.

02:17:04.000 But it happened in the 1800s.

02:17:05.000 So it just got grandfathered in where people took it seriously.

02:17:09.000 But there's a crazy article by a woman who was a guest on my podcast in the past that How do you say her name you vet to?

02:17:16.000 Chiropractors are bullshit.

02:17:17.000 How do you say her her last name is a complicated last name?

02:17:22.000 But I didn't know I had no idea.

02:17:24.000 Because I had gone to a chiropractor once.

02:17:26.000 I had a bulging disc in my neck from jujitsu.

02:17:29.000 And I was like, this just is not getting any better.

02:17:31.000 And he's like, oh, you got a muscle pull.

02:17:33.000 I'm just going to manipulate you.

02:17:34.000 Everything will be fine.

02:17:35.000 I went to him for like a year.

02:17:36.000 And it never got any better.

02:17:37.000 And then finally I went to a real doctor.

02:17:39.000 And he's like, hey, you got a fucking bulging disc, man.

02:17:41.000 Because my hands were going numb.

02:17:43.000 I was like, why is my hands going numb?

02:17:44.000 And he's like, yeah, your disc is pushing out.

02:17:47.000 It's pressing.

02:17:47.000 And then I did Regenikine and it fixed it.

02:17:50.000 How do you say her name?

02:17:52.000 Yvette de Entremont.

02:17:54.000 She's very cool.

02:17:55.000 She was on the podcast.

02:17:56.000 Sounds French.

02:17:56.000 She's pretty hilarious.

02:17:58.000 But the article is actually pretty hilarious.

02:18:00.000 But it's basically about how chiropractic medicine got started out.

02:18:05.000 Yeah.

02:18:05.000 And they call themselves doctors, right?

02:18:07.000 Yeah.

02:18:07.000 They don't go to medical school.

02:18:08.000 They're not.

02:18:09.000 Well, they have the MD, don't they?

02:18:11.000 No.

02:18:11.000 No?

02:18:12.000 No.

02:18:13.000 I know, right?

02:18:13.000 You're like, wait a minute, what are you talking about?

02:18:15.000 No, they get a doctor in chiropractic.

02:18:17.000 A PhD, right?

02:18:18.000 I'm a doctor.

02:18:19.000 No, it's no PhD.

02:18:20.000 No, no, no.

02:18:21.000 No, they get a chiropractor school.

02:18:22.000 Yeah.

02:18:23.000 Do you know what percentage of people get accepted to chiropractic school?

02:18:28.000 Take a guess.

02:18:30.000 10%.

02:18:31.000 100%.

02:18:34.000 100%.

02:18:34.000 Everybody can go.

02:18:35.000 I will attest to that I work with some good ones, some good guys.

02:18:41.000 They can help you.

02:18:43.000 They get me right.

02:18:45.000 I work with this guy, Dr. Mengi and also Dr. Davidson.

02:18:49.000 They do a good job.

02:18:52.000 I'll go in and my neck will be tight and pop here and there.

02:18:57.000 I just feel a little bit of relief.

02:18:59.000 A little bit of psychological too, I think.

02:19:02.000 Yeah, that's the thing for me too.

02:19:07.000 I'm very aware of the whole placebo effect of certain things.

02:19:11.000 Because I was a skeptic.

02:19:13.000 I'm a skeptic sometimes.

02:19:15.000 And so going in and actually feeling relief...

02:19:19.000 There's Dr. Mengi, he works with a lot of football players as well.

02:19:23.000 And he's, like you said, those guys, he adjusts you and gets you right, but he does a lot of physical therapy work as well.

02:19:30.000 That's what more they are now.

02:19:32.000 Yeah, and he really kind of helps some of those ailments that I have.

02:19:37.000 And he's helped me for a few camps, as well as Dr. Davidson.

02:19:40.000 These guys have helped me a lot in my fight.

02:19:43.000 Yeah.

02:19:43.000 And that's the thing, too.

02:19:45.000 When Arrow's like, no, I don't see them.

02:19:48.000 And I'm like, this can't help.

02:19:51.000 I know, but I'm speaking off of my experiences because these guys not just crack, crack, and pop me back.

02:19:58.000 They actually physically help work some things out to where I'm good to go.

02:20:04.000 I just thought they were doctors.

02:20:06.000 I did, too.

02:20:07.000 I thought you had to go to medical school to be called a doctor.

02:20:11.000 You don't.

02:20:13.000 Speaking of Errol Spence, how the fuck did that guy get out of that car crash without a scratch?

02:20:17.000 I mean, what are you, like, chip a tooth?

02:20:18.000 Oh, man.

02:20:19.000 That is the craziest...

02:20:20.000 You watch that video, you're like, he's dead.

02:20:22.000 One of the best boxers in the world is dead.

02:20:25.000 And then, nothing.

02:20:26.000 And if he was wearing a seatbelt, they said he would be dead.

02:20:28.000 I think he would have died.

02:20:29.000 Yeah, I think he would have died.

02:20:30.000 I think...

02:20:31.000 Maybe he was asleep when he was thrown out of the car.

02:20:35.000 You don't really feel much when you're asleep.

02:20:39.000 If you're asleep, your body is there.

02:20:42.000 You're relaxing.

02:20:44.000 God got him.

02:20:46.000 I guess.

02:20:48.000 Somebody's watching over him because that's not his time to go.

02:20:51.000 There was a video of him getting interviewed a couple months after the car accident.

02:20:54.000 He's at a fight and they're interviewing him.

02:20:56.000 And it doesn't look like anything's wrong.

02:20:58.000 No, they said he had a bruise or scratch somewhere.

02:21:01.000 Scratches and bruises.

02:21:03.000 Play that video.

02:21:04.000 Can you find that video?

02:21:05.000 The video is fucking crazy.

02:21:06.000 I watched it about ten times.

02:21:07.000 About ten times.

02:21:09.000 And he's in a 488, a Ferrari.

02:21:12.000 So he must have been cooking.

02:21:14.000 I mean, that is a crazy fast car.

02:21:17.000 Those 488s are ridiculous.

02:21:18.000 You can't have that car and go the speed limit.

02:21:20.000 And especially with the convertible, man.

02:21:23.000 Like, fuck, man.

02:21:24.000 You know, God's really watched.

02:21:28.000 Somebody's watching over here.

02:21:29.000 Yeah, I want to see this.

02:21:31.000 You find it?

02:21:32.000 No?

02:21:33.000 Is that it?

02:21:34.000 Yeah, here it is.

02:21:34.000 Look at that.

02:21:35.000 Bam!

02:21:37.000 Boom!

02:21:38.000 And he went flying out of it right there.

02:21:40.000 That is crazy.

02:21:43.000 How the fuck is he okay?

02:21:47.000 I mean, if he was in that car, strapped in, he would probably be fucked up, paralyzed, or dead, or brain damaged.

02:21:54.000 Meanwhile, he just fell out.

02:21:55.000 And the sad part is how many boxers have gone through a similar situation?

02:21:59.000 You know, how many boxers?

02:22:00.000 Like, what's his name?

02:22:02.000 Is it Paul Williams?

02:22:04.000 Paul Williams.

02:22:05.000 Yeah, motorcycle crash.

02:22:06.000 Yeah.

02:22:08.000 Things like that.

02:22:09.000 You know, fighters.

02:22:10.000 And who was that?

02:22:11.000 My buddy Daniel Strauss.

02:22:13.000 Daniel's back.

02:22:14.000 Daniel has fought since then.

02:22:17.000 But imagine something like that.

02:22:19.000 I watched Daniel kind of slowly because I would try to check up on him because I liked that guy.

02:22:24.000 I really liked him.

02:22:25.000 He was training with us at the time.

02:22:26.000 Watching him slowly work back because he didn't have any...

02:22:30.000 Feeling here, at one point.

02:22:32.000 And then slowly have to build it back up to the, you know, I don't know, I think it's...

02:22:36.000 And then fight and win.

02:22:37.000 And then fight and win.

02:22:38.000 Yeah.

02:22:39.000 He came in here with Joe Schilling.

02:22:40.000 It's impressive.

02:22:41.000 Like, while he was on his way up.

02:22:42.000 Oh, his way back, rather.

02:22:44.000 And remember Diego Corrales?

02:22:46.000 Diego Corrales died from a motorcycle accident as well.

02:22:49.000 There's been a lot of fatalities like that.

02:22:51.000 Can you imagine how sad this story would have been?

02:22:54.000 With Errol Spence.

02:22:56.000 Oh my god.

02:22:56.000 That's a guy that's loved, not just in Dallas, but all over the world.

02:23:00.000 Well, after he beat Mikey Garcia, everybody's like, holy shit, is this guy for real?

02:23:04.000 I mean, I knew he was for real way, way before that.

02:23:07.000 But really for real.

02:23:08.000 Mikey Garcia is a very good fighter.

02:23:10.000 He shot him down.

02:23:12.000 Yes.

02:23:12.000 I mean, he couldn't do anything to him.

02:23:14.000 He's one of those special guys, a special fighter, a special boxer.

02:23:18.000 You've got to get him up here.

02:23:20.000 I would love to.

02:23:21.000 I would love to.

02:23:22.000 Well, him and Terrence could be a big fight in the future, and they were thinking about him and Terrence Crawford before the accident.

02:23:29.000 I would love to have him in.

02:23:30.000 He's an interesting dude.

02:23:31.000 He's sponsored by Onnit, too.

02:23:33.000 Really?

02:23:33.000 Yeah.

02:23:34.000 Onnit, that's out of Dallas, right?

02:23:36.000 Austin.

02:23:36.000 Austin, yeah.

02:23:37.000 There's a great group of super talented boxers now.

02:23:43.000 This is an amazing time.

02:23:45.000 Yeah, and the thing about him too that I like is that he's been the same guy now that he was when he was an amateur.

02:23:54.000 Because I met him while he was an amateur.

02:23:56.000 Oh, really?

02:23:57.000 Because I was living at the Olympic Training Center and I was dating a boxer at the time.

02:24:01.000 And, you know, all the boxers, when they have national team practices, they would come through before that Olympic cycle.

02:24:07.000 And they would all come through and do two, three words or maybe a month training camp all up there at the training center.

02:24:13.000 So I got to kind of meet...

02:24:14.000 These boxers and, you know, talk to and get acquainted with some of them.

02:24:19.000 Like, was it Marcus Brown, who was a world champion?

02:24:22.000 Rasheem Warren, Jamil Heron.

02:24:24.000 I got to kind of see these guys.

02:24:26.000 And that's when I finally, I first recognized them.

02:24:29.000 And then watching them all make the switch to the pros and get to where they're at now.

02:24:34.000 Earl Spence has been that same guy the whole time.

02:24:37.000 Which is one thing that I love because, you know, I feel like that's kind of how I am in my sport.

02:24:43.000 I don't have to, you know, turn on this charm.

02:24:46.000 Just because it works for Conor, it works for this guy, for him, them to be just brash and out there.

02:24:52.000 Don't you think that's going to work for me?

02:24:54.000 That's Conor's personality.

02:24:55.000 That's him.

02:24:55.000 Yeah, that's Conor.

02:24:56.000 It works for him.

02:24:57.000 That's him.

02:24:58.000 Like, Tyson became a superstar, and he had none of that in him.

02:25:02.000 You know, he had a totally different way of talking.

02:25:05.000 Very soft-spoken in a lot of ways, you know?

02:25:08.000 Terrifying.

02:25:08.000 But Tyson, the fighter...

02:25:10.000 The results.

02:25:11.000 And the Tyson, just the Tyson in general, is...

02:25:16.000 Well, I would say Mike, and I would say Tyson are two different people.

02:25:21.000 Yeah.

02:25:22.000 And then knowing him now, man, it's like...

02:25:25.000 That guy was that guy?

02:25:27.000 I mean, he's an amazing man now.

02:25:30.000 I've been pretty jazzed up talking to a lot of people on the podcast, but I've never felt weirder than talking to him.

02:25:36.000 You're always going to feel that way.

02:25:38.000 I'm sure.

02:25:38.000 I still feel that way.

02:25:40.000 I still feel it's like there's a lion sitting next to you.

02:25:48.000 The whole time.

02:25:49.000 Like, we just spent New Year's together in New York.

02:25:53.000 And it's me, it's him, and it's Henry Cejudo.

02:25:57.000 And we're talking, and we're just getting knowledge from him.

02:26:01.000 The whole time, there's an alliance.

02:26:08.000 You can't shake that feeling.

02:26:10.000 You can't shake it.

02:26:11.000 You never will, right?

02:26:13.000 You never will.

02:26:14.000 It's just what makes a guy like that special.

02:26:18.000 It's like if Muhammad Ali was in a room, which I never got to ever experience or see, but if Muhammad Ali was in a room, I'm sure, guys, it just didn't matter.

02:26:27.000 And Dana said this at one point.

02:26:31.000 You could have Michael Jordan, the best baseball player, and you have the best football player, and you have the best musicians in the world.

02:26:41.000 All these guys in a room.

02:26:44.000 But when Mike Tyson walks in a room, everybody knows Mike Tyson is in a room.

02:26:50.000 It's just something different about a fighter like that.

02:26:55.000 When they walk in a room, everyone is on alert.

02:26:58.000 Oh shit, there's a lion in the room.

02:27:00.000 It's the pinnacle of sports, is the elite fighter.

02:27:03.000 Yeah.

02:27:04.000 It's the pinnacle of sports.

02:27:05.000 And especially the elite heavyweight champion.

02:27:07.000 And especially a guy like Tyson, who, you know, in his prime was just, he changed everything.

02:27:13.000 Like I said, the vision was so lackluster before he rose to prominence.

02:27:18.000 And when he did, I mean, I remember when he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated magazine, he was 19 years old, and they had the cover, it said Kid Dynamite.

02:27:25.000 And it was him.

02:27:26.000 And he looked so young.

02:27:27.000 And that's how I found out about him.

02:27:30.000 I remember I saw, maybe I'd seen some clips or something like that of him sending some guy flying with a left hook.

02:27:35.000 But then watching, you know, seeing the cover of that magazine, I was like, this guy's 19 years old?

02:27:41.000 Like, that is crazy.

02:27:42.000 And they're talking about being the next heavyweight champion?

02:27:44.000 Yeah.

02:27:45.000 I mean, and, you know, even now, like, knowing all of that and seeing all of that, because, you know, you kind of try to bring it, I'm like, man, and talking to him now...

02:27:57.000 It's like, he's just like, huh?

02:28:00.000 That was such a long time ago.

02:28:02.000 I love his beard, too.

02:28:03.000 It makes him look scholarly.

02:28:05.000 I know.

02:28:07.000 He's a wise old master.

02:28:09.000 Yeah, and it kind of gives him a little...

02:28:11.000 It's kind of like a little cover.

02:28:13.000 You think it hides him a little bit.

02:28:15.000 But we had lunch in New York.

02:28:19.000 And then we walk out this little place in New York.

02:28:23.000 And we come out.

02:28:25.000 We're on the street.

02:28:27.000 And somehow a bus full of tourists...

02:28:32.000 I don't know where they were.

02:28:33.000 Asian tourists, like a bus somewhere from Asia, like there.

02:28:37.000 Just pulls up right in front of us.

02:28:38.000 We're like right there.

02:28:39.000 And they all get out.

02:28:41.000 And initially, because he's wearing a beanie and he's wearing a big jacket, we're kind of standing outside and they're doing some recreational stuff.

02:28:49.000 And so we're just kind of standing there initially.

02:28:52.000 And one guy walks up.

02:28:56.000 One guy is walking by and kind of just looks back.

02:29:01.000 And you can see it because you know that look.

02:29:04.000 You know when you're somewhere and people are trying to figure out if it's you.

02:29:09.000 You see them kind of do the double take and they're thinking in their mind.

02:29:13.000 Is that who I think it is?

02:29:15.000 And then he gets like halfway down the street.

02:29:17.000 And at this point I peep him.

02:29:19.000 I'm seeing him.

02:29:19.000 And he turns around and he walks back.

02:29:22.000 Like, Mike!

02:29:24.000 Mike, is that you?

02:29:25.000 And like, it's freaking...

02:29:27.000 He's like, please, please, can I get a picture?

02:29:29.000 Please, please?

02:29:30.000 And of course, Mike is such a nice guy.

02:29:33.000 He's a sweetheart.

02:29:34.000 And Mike takes a picture.

02:29:36.000 One.

02:29:37.000 Then one of the tourists sees him.

02:29:40.000 Now it's a swarm.

02:29:44.000 It's a swarm.

02:29:46.000 Thankfully, his wife is just pulling up in the car and Mike hops in.

02:29:52.000 But I'm like, Mike hasn't fought in how long?

02:29:56.000 When his last fight was what?

02:29:58.000 15 years ago.

02:30:01.000 That's how the reception he still gets.

02:30:04.000 People still freak out that it's Mike Tyson.

02:30:09.000 It was incredible for me to see that.

02:30:11.000 It's like at some point, that's what we want to get to.

02:30:15.000 That's the level of respect and the level that as a fighter that you want to get.

02:30:22.000 It's so interesting that now he's in the weed business.

02:30:26.000 I mean, and he smokes weed all day long.

02:30:30.000 He's like, it makes me nicer.

02:30:32.000 It calms me down, keeps me sane.

02:30:34.000 Yeah, I mean, it works.

02:30:37.000 Certain guys abuse it, but certain guys use it as medicine.

02:30:42.000 But it's also like, who doesn't want to get high with Mike Tyson?

02:30:46.000 You know?

02:30:47.000 I've thought about it.

02:30:48.000 I was on the podcast.

02:30:48.000 I'm like, Henry, you want to pass me one of those?

02:30:51.000 Was Henry hitting it?

02:30:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:30:53.000 Yeah?

02:30:53.000 Yeah.

02:30:54.000 So, you don't get high at all?

02:30:56.000 No.

02:30:57.000 No?

02:30:57.000 Never?

02:30:58.000 I have.

02:30:58.000 You have?

02:30:59.000 Yeah, I... For my 26th birthday was the first time I tried it.

02:31:07.000 What happened?

02:31:09.000 Nothing.

02:31:10.000 Nothing?

02:31:10.000 Nothing.

02:31:11.000 I mean, I guess I didn't know how to do it.

02:31:13.000 I didn't know how to inhale it.

02:31:14.000 I didn't know how to smoke it.

02:31:15.000 And, you know, I'm like, this does nothing.

02:31:18.000 I hit it like maybe two, three times.

02:31:19.000 It does nothing.

02:31:21.000 I didn't feel a thing.

02:31:22.000 And then that same year I had to, I think it was 26. Yeah, I think it was the last year I was at the...

02:31:29.000 Training Center, the Olympic Training Center.

02:31:31.000 And I had to do it.

02:31:32.000 I did the Ultimate Fighter Season 14. I was a wrestling coach for Team Mayhem Miller.

02:31:37.000 And me and Mayhem, we'd sit because we were in the same house.

02:31:42.000 And we'd sit on the balcony at night after filming all day.

02:31:46.000 And he would smoke and we'd just relax and he'd decompress.

02:31:50.000 And that was the crazy thing about Mayhem too.

02:31:51.000 Smart guy.

02:31:52.000 I mean, yeah, he had a crazy path, but smart guy.

02:31:56.000 He would just come back and sit there and relax and just think.

02:31:59.000 And he would say certain things.

02:32:02.000 And then he was like, yo, you should try this.

02:32:05.000 You should try this.

02:32:06.000 I'm like, nah, that doesn't do nothing for me, man.

02:32:09.000 I already tried it.

02:32:10.000 He does nothing for me.

02:32:12.000 He's like, you're doing it wrong.

02:32:13.000 Yeah.

02:32:16.000 And I'm like, no, it doesn't do anything for me, man.

02:32:18.000 And then he's like, try this edible.

02:32:20.000 And it's an edible.

02:32:22.000 It's peanut brittle.

02:32:23.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:32:24.000 It's like a fat piece.

02:32:26.000 I'm like, bro, weed doesn't do anything for me, bro.

02:32:29.000 It doesn't do anything for me.

02:32:31.000 And I had the edible.

02:32:33.000 I had a big piece, too.

02:32:34.000 I'm eating it.

02:32:35.000 Because it was good.

02:32:36.000 It was chocolate.

02:32:36.000 It was canned.

02:32:37.000 I'm just eating it.

02:32:38.000 I'm like, this is nothing.

02:32:40.000 And...

02:32:41.000 Maybe like six, seven minutes later, I'm like, I need to go get water.

02:32:46.000 So I opened the door.

02:32:47.000 I'm like, let me go get some water inside.

02:32:50.000 And you walk in the balcony, the sliding door.

02:32:53.000 You walk inside.

02:32:54.000 My room is, our rooms are this way down the hall.

02:32:57.000 His room's further than my room is just to the right.

02:32:59.000 And the kitchen's right in front.

02:33:01.000 So I walk in.

02:33:01.000 I'm like, okay, get some water.

02:33:05.000 I'm like, three steps before I get to the counter.

02:33:07.000 But I'm just like, there.

02:33:12.000 What's going on?

02:33:14.000 I never touched the water.

02:33:16.000 I eventually just somehow turn up to my right, just stumble into my room.

02:33:22.000 I fell on my bed like this.

02:33:26.000 I woke up 10 hours later like this.

02:33:33.000 I woke up just like that.

02:33:37.000 Didn't move.

02:33:38.000 Best rest I ever got.

02:33:40.000 Wow.

02:33:41.000 I was like, uh...

02:33:42.000 No.

02:33:44.000 Did you have crazy dreams?

02:33:46.000 No.

02:33:47.000 You just went out?

02:33:48.000 But it was a fun time.

02:33:51.000 Because that was the first time I experienced Vegas.

02:33:55.000 So we were shooting a show in Vegas.

02:33:57.000 And so that was my first time being in Vegas.

02:33:59.000 And uh...

02:34:01.000 But it was a fun time, and I was just like, wow, okay.

02:34:04.000 But then after that, I smoked again with my friends down in Florida, like years ago, maybe four years ago.

02:34:11.000 And that was when I actually got high from smoking.

02:34:14.000 You know, I hit it hard at first.

02:34:16.000 I'm like, because I'm the same.

02:34:17.000 I'm like, this doesn't affect me, guys.

02:34:19.000 You know, because I was like, the reason it hit me is because it was an edible.

02:34:22.000 I'm never doing edibles again.

02:34:23.000 Okay, never again.

02:34:24.000 So I already wrote that out.

02:34:26.000 Like, weed doesn't affect me, guys.

02:34:28.000 So I hit it hard.

02:34:30.000 They're like, hold it.

02:34:30.000 You gotta hold it in.

02:34:32.000 I'm holding it.

02:34:33.000 Then I start coughing.

02:34:34.000 I cough for like maybe six minutes.

02:34:36.000 Oh no!

02:34:37.000 Hard.

02:34:38.000 Coughing.

02:34:39.000 Almost.

02:34:40.000 So I'm like, bro, this is nothing.

02:34:42.000 I hit it again.

02:34:43.000 Like right away past me that.

02:34:45.000 I hit it again hard.

02:34:47.000 Coughing.

02:34:49.000 This is not going to do nothing for it.

02:34:50.000 I hit it again.

02:34:51.000 Hard.

02:34:52.000 Coughing.

02:34:55.000 Bro, I told you guys, this does nothing for me, man.

02:34:57.000 And we're sitting on the couch.

02:34:59.000 And my little brother calls me.

02:35:04.000 And I think this was when he was making the transition.

02:35:07.000 He was leaving football.

02:35:08.000 He calls me.

02:35:09.000 He's talking to me on the floor.

02:35:10.000 And we're talking.

02:35:11.000 I'm like, man, everything is good, man.

02:35:12.000 You'll be fine.

02:35:13.000 We'll do something else.

02:35:15.000 And boom.

02:35:17.000 I forget everything I was just talking about.

02:35:20.000 I was, hey, I'll call you back.

02:35:24.000 So I hang up.

02:35:25.000 And immediately, I'm one of those guys, if I don't have control, and I feel like I don't have control of my body, my thoughts, what's going on, I kind of have anxiety.

02:35:32.000 So I kind of start going to the panic mode.

02:35:35.000 And so I'm sitting there on the couch, and these guys are looking at me, and I look left at these guys.

02:35:39.000 I'm like, guys, something's wrong.

02:35:42.000 Something's wrong.

02:35:43.000 Something is wrong.

02:35:45.000 Something's wrong.

02:35:45.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:35:46.000 I was just trying to talk to my brother, and I forgot everything I was talking about.

02:35:50.000 Something's wrong.

02:35:51.000 And they're laughing hysterically.

02:35:54.000 They're laughing at me bad.

02:35:56.000 And then now I'm like, okay, no, I got to be cool.

02:35:59.000 I got to try to be cool.

02:36:00.000 I got to control this.

02:36:01.000 I got to be cool.

02:36:02.000 I got to be cool.

02:36:03.000 But the biggest thing is I couldn't control what was going on.

02:36:08.000 The fact that I was feeling what I was feeling, I couldn't shut it off.

02:36:13.000 That was it for me.

02:36:14.000 I was like, yeah, I can't.

02:36:16.000 That's too much though.

02:36:18.000 I can't smoke weed anymore.

02:36:18.000 That's not what you're supposed to do.

02:36:20.000 Oh, I did it wrong.

02:36:23.000 There's also a thing that happens when you cough.

02:36:26.000 Like, I don't know why.

02:36:27.000 I heard it gets it deeper in your lungs.

02:36:29.000 I don't know if there's science behind that.

02:36:31.000 Is there any science behind that?

02:36:32.000 Is that real?

02:36:32.000 Like, coughing gets you more high?

02:36:34.000 Because it is for me.

02:36:35.000 When I, when, if I'm smoking pot and I cough, I go, oh no.

02:36:38.000 Yeah.

02:36:38.000 I go, what have I done?

02:36:39.000 I'm like, open up the door.

02:36:41.000 It gets inside you.

02:36:42.000 Yeah, they say, they say, well, from what I've heard, they say, oh, it makes it worse when you're coughing.

02:36:46.000 It gets deeper into your lungs.

02:36:47.000 I've heard that a bunch of times.

02:36:49.000 I've heard that a bunch of times.

02:36:50.000 I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's real though.

02:36:52.000 Or maybe it's just really high and that's why you're coughing.

02:36:55.000 Oh.

02:36:55.000 I'm not sure.

02:36:56.000 Maybe it's to smoke.

02:36:58.000 Because I'm not used to having smoke in my lungs at all.

02:37:00.000 Because even now, if I walk through casinos, I'm sick for a while.

02:37:04.000 With pot, you just want to...

02:37:05.000 If you're a rookie, if you're not a veteran, you don't do it a lot, you want this.

02:37:09.000 Ready?

02:37:11.000 That's it.

02:37:12.000 Stop.

02:37:13.000 Stop right there.

02:37:13.000 Wait.

02:37:14.000 Give yourself some time.

02:37:15.000 Which reminds me...

02:37:18.000 I smoked again after that.

02:37:21.000 I think a couple years ago.

02:37:24.000 But it was almost like peer pressure.

02:37:27.000 He didn't pressure me, but it was like, oh, he's doing it.

02:37:29.000 Who was peer pressuring?

02:37:30.000 Rashad.

02:37:31.000 He's doing it.

02:37:33.000 He didn't peer pressure me, but it was like, I'm with Rashad, that's my brother.

02:37:37.000 If he's doing it, I gotta try it.

02:37:39.000 He knows how to do it.

02:37:42.000 For him, it's medicinal now.

02:37:47.000 We were going to a comedy show.

02:37:50.000 Country Wayne is the comedian.

02:37:53.000 We were going to see him and a funny guy.

02:37:56.000 His name's Country Wayne?

02:37:58.000 Country Wayne.

02:37:58.000 Yeah, he's a big following now in the South.

02:38:02.000 He does his whole show.

02:38:03.000 I don't think he curses at all.

02:38:04.000 Really?

02:38:05.000 That funny guy, if you look him up.

02:38:07.000 Very funny guy.

02:38:09.000 So we're at the show, and before the show starts, he's like, let's take a walk.

02:38:14.000 So we're walking, and Rashad is like, me and him, the wisdom that he passes on to me, it's crazy.

02:38:19.000 I love being around him.

02:38:20.000 I love spending time with him.

02:38:22.000 And so we're walking, and then he whips it out, and he's smoking.

02:38:26.000 I'm like, shoot, I've always heard, like, things get funnier when you smoke weed.

02:38:35.000 I'm like, oh man, it's going to be the best comedy show ever because this guy's already funny.

02:38:40.000 I think he's funny.

02:38:41.000 And this is going to make it funnier.

02:38:43.000 Oh my gosh, it's a good idea.

02:38:45.000 So I take it, but I'm like, I learned from last time.

02:38:48.000 I'm not going to hit it like that.

02:38:49.000 Just light hit, you know, once, maybe twice, but that's it.

02:38:54.000 So, I hit it.

02:38:55.000 Boom.

02:38:56.000 I cough a little bit.

02:38:58.000 But not as bad.

02:38:59.000 You know, I coughed just a little bit, and I'm okay.

02:39:02.000 And so we're still walking, and then I hit it again, light.

02:39:05.000 You know, this time I didn't cough.

02:39:06.000 I'm like, alright, that should be good.

02:39:08.000 That should be perfect.

02:39:09.000 This show's gonna be phenomenal.

02:39:11.000 So we get in.

02:39:12.000 Now we're sitting in.

02:39:13.000 We're sitting in.

02:39:14.000 Because you know those improv comedy clubs are very, very tight.

02:39:17.000 Especially the big nice ones.

02:39:19.000 But the VIP tickets, you're right there on the floor next to them.

02:39:22.000 So we're like maybe three seats away from the stage.

02:39:26.000 So we're there.

02:39:27.000 And it's a packed house.

02:39:28.000 Everything's sold out.

02:39:29.000 And we're watching them.

02:39:32.000 We're watching them.

02:39:33.000 And I remember like now I start feeling something.

02:39:40.000 I'm like paranoid now.

02:39:41.000 I'm like, shit.

02:39:44.000 So I'm talking to Rashad.

02:39:47.000 Well, in my head, I think I'm talking to him.

02:39:49.000 So I'm thinking, I'm trying to whisper because I don't want to interrupt the show because I want the comedian, because I've heard comedians go after you.

02:39:57.000 So I'm like trying not to interrupt the show.

02:40:00.000 I'm like, I'm thinking, I'm like, Rashad, Rashad.

02:40:04.000 But I'm really like, And I'm like, why is he not paying attention to me?

02:40:13.000 I'm looking at him like, Rashad, something's wrong.

02:40:19.000 I'm trying to signal him.

02:40:21.000 I'm using my eyes.

02:40:22.000 I'm trying to signal him like, bro, I gotta get out.

02:40:25.000 I was this close to running out of the improv comedy club.

02:40:32.000 Where would you have gone?

02:40:35.000 I'd just run out of there.

02:40:36.000 In those cases, you're better off just sitting still and waiting for it to pass.

02:40:39.000 I know, but in my mind, I was like...

02:40:43.000 I gotta get out of here.

02:40:44.000 I gotta get out of here.

02:40:45.000 Exactly what I thought.

02:40:48.000 I'm like, I gotta get out of here.

02:40:50.000 I gotta get out of here now.

02:40:52.000 But then, in my mind, I was like, no, man, what?

02:40:56.000 Stop being a punk.

02:40:57.000 Stop being a punk.

02:40:58.000 You can handle this.

02:40:59.000 So I'm trying to reel myself back into my mind.

02:41:01.000 I'm like, just breathe.

02:41:02.000 Relax.

02:41:03.000 Breathe.

02:41:03.000 Relax.

02:41:04.000 Watch the show.

02:41:05.000 Breathe.

02:41:06.000 And I'm getting to the show.

02:41:07.000 I'm getting to it.

02:41:07.000 But every now and again, it'll creep back in.

02:41:09.000 You're high, bro.

02:41:10.000 You're high.

02:41:11.000 Get out of here.

02:41:12.000 Get out of here.

02:41:14.000 But that's it.

02:41:15.000 That was it for me.

02:41:16.000 After that one, I'm like, you know what?

02:41:17.000 It's just not for me.

02:41:19.000 It's just not for me.

02:41:21.000 I've had those experiences a hundred times.

02:41:23.000 At least.

02:41:24.000 Maybe more.

02:41:25.000 Probably more than a hundred.

02:41:26.000 Yeah.

02:41:27.000 I'm never doing this again.

02:41:28.000 It just gets so high.

02:41:30.000 It just gets ridiculous.

02:41:32.000 Yeah.

02:41:32.000 But you still do it.

02:41:34.000 I like it.

02:41:36.000 I always learn something when I get that high.

02:41:38.000 When I get real high and something's bothering me, I'm probably like, well, I probably have an issue I need to take care of.

02:41:44.000 Something's bothering me in the first place.

02:41:45.000 Really?

02:41:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:41:47.000 If I get paranoid about something or I feel bad about something, maybe I said or something I did...

02:41:54.000 Marijuana, if you have something that you're maybe pushing in the back of your head, marijuana is like, hey, hey, what the fuck is that?

02:42:02.000 What's that?

02:42:02.000 Let's turn a light on.

02:42:03.000 Click.

02:42:04.000 Put a flashlight on it.

02:42:05.000 It makes you think.

02:42:06.000 Eddie Bravo told me this once, and it really made a lot of sense.

02:42:09.000 He goes...

02:42:09.000 The best time to get high is when nothing's fucking with you.

02:42:12.000 If nothing's fucking with you and you get high, it's like, oh, you can just enjoy it.

02:42:16.000 But if you got anything that you're putting off, anything that you're half-assing, anything you're doing wrong in your life, anything you're procrastinating, anything where you're not really doing your best, you're not giving it your all, if you get high, you start thinking, like, what am I doing with my life?

02:42:30.000 But isn't that like everybody and every time?

02:42:34.000 Like, very seldom is everything okay.

02:42:37.000 That's true, too.

02:42:38.000 That's true.

02:42:39.000 Very seldom is everything okay.

02:42:42.000 That's true too.

02:42:43.000 Like I can count on one hand how many times I've just sat back and said, everything is beautiful, everything is good.

02:42:49.000 Yeah, that's true, right?

02:42:51.000 I mean, if you're doing difficult shit, especially, and clearly you're doing difficult shit, if you're doing something difficult with your life, you're always in a state of some kind of struggle, right?

02:43:03.000 Yeah.

02:43:04.000 It's never like, oh man, this is perfect.

02:43:10.000 Isn't that funny?

02:43:10.000 This is wonderful.

02:43:11.000 It's such a true thing you just said.

02:43:13.000 At some point, something is always going on.

02:43:17.000 There's something always going on.

02:43:18.000 But isn't that weird that everybody wants everything to be perfect and it really never is?

02:43:23.000 Yeah.

02:43:24.000 It never is.

02:43:25.000 Constant state of that.

02:43:26.000 But you see people, like that's what social media is all about, right?

02:43:30.000 Social media projects this image of perfect.

02:43:33.000 Yes.

02:43:34.000 Like you see some guy leaning on a cool car, standing in front of a nice house, beautiful girl with him, like this fucking guy's got it made.

02:43:41.000 He doesn't feel any pain or suffering.

02:43:43.000 Yeah.

02:43:43.000 He's just smooth sailing through life.

02:43:45.000 Yes.

02:43:45.000 Look at him.

02:43:46.000 With a six pack?

02:43:47.000 And I blame this show, actually.

02:43:49.000 The last time I was here, after that, it just got worse.

02:43:55.000 Oh, the hate?

02:43:56.000 No, not just hate, but now people are like, oh, I need help.

02:44:00.000 I need help with this.

02:44:01.000 Hey, I'm going to get evicted.

02:44:05.000 Can you just put money in my account?

02:44:08.000 Hey, people were sending me requests on PayPal.

02:44:12.000 Somehow they found me on PayPal.

02:44:14.000 Put in requests.

02:44:15.000 Just send me money requests.

02:44:17.000 Really?

02:44:18.000 Bro, just bless me with a couple of times.

02:44:20.000 Bless me!

02:44:21.000 That is hilarious.

02:44:22.000 It was crazy.

02:44:23.000 Bless me.

02:44:24.000 Just bless me, man.

02:44:26.000 What are you, a saint?

02:44:27.000 Bless me.

02:44:28.000 I don't know.

02:44:29.000 Bless me.

02:44:30.000 But people were just sending requests left and right.

02:44:32.000 Really?

02:44:33.000 And then, you know, and then someone, of course, got this big story on Instagram and sent me these.

02:44:38.000 Because sometimes I go, now I just, I don't really, I can't, it's impossible to go through messages.

02:44:43.000 Yeah.

02:44:43.000 And, and, um, You know, and it would be these guys, like, send me, oh man, this is wrong, this is wrong, you know, my mother just died, I am left alone, no money, nothing, could you help me?

02:44:58.000 And I click on their Instagram, on the photo, they're rocking the Gucci hat, they're sitting down, like, arms crossed, next to this nice car.

02:45:07.000 I'm like, what?

02:45:10.000 Get out of here with this.

02:45:12.000 What if they just do that with everybody?

02:45:14.000 Yeah.

02:45:15.000 Imagine if that's how they make a living?

02:45:17.000 They just get on Instagram?

02:45:18.000 A lot of people do that.

02:45:18.000 No, a lot of people do that.

02:45:20.000 But it's that whole deal.

02:45:23.000 Everyone puts on social media.

02:45:25.000 It's a smokescreen.

02:45:26.000 It puts everything out there.

02:45:27.000 The best part of them out there.

02:45:29.000 Speaking of social media, did you see that I just got hacked?

02:45:32.000 Did you really get hacked?

02:45:34.000 No, I got hacked bad.

02:45:35.000 Is Ali still your manager?

02:45:38.000 Yes.

02:45:38.000 Let me tell you something what I thought.

02:45:40.000 I thought Ali did that and said, oh, look, you got hacked.

02:45:43.000 But if you, no, but if you, if you, no, um, let's, you know, the, when I said, when the first, when I, you definitely got hacked?

02:45:51.000 I would tell you if he got hacked.

02:45:52.000 I would tell you.

02:45:53.000 Did Ali lie to you?

02:45:55.000 No, Ali didn't.

02:45:55.000 Don't lie to me.

02:45:56.000 Because the crazy thing is we were preparing to go to the fight.

02:46:03.000 They were coming to get us.

02:46:05.000 Because the fight's already started.

02:46:06.000 The prelims had started.

02:46:07.000 And he was about to start the main card.

02:46:09.000 So we're preparing to go.

02:46:10.000 It was a Saturday.

02:46:12.000 And my phone's just bloop, bloop.

02:46:15.000 I'm getting text message, text message, text message.

02:46:17.000 I'm just like, maybe it's just one person.

02:46:19.000 I'm like, damn.

02:46:20.000 Because my phone just blows up sometimes.

02:46:22.000 So I'm not really looking at my phone.

02:46:24.000 I'm just trying to get out of there and go.

02:46:27.000 And somehow I picked my phone up.

02:46:32.000 We're walking down to the car.

02:46:34.000 I slide it up and I have 26 messages.

02:46:38.000 What just happened?

02:46:40.000 So then the top one was, what's her name?

02:46:43.000 Paige.

02:46:44.000 You know, used to work for the UFC. He's like, are you looking at your Twitter right now?

02:46:50.000 I was like, what?

02:46:51.000 What are you talking about?

02:46:52.000 He's like, yeah, that's exactly what I thought.

02:46:54.000 I thought something's wrong with your Twitter right now.

02:46:56.000 You need to get on there.

02:46:57.000 So I'm like, what?

02:46:59.000 I get on my phone.

02:47:00.000 I try to go into my Twitter.

02:47:01.000 I can't.

02:47:02.000 I'm locked out.

02:47:03.000 So someone had got in and changed the password and the email so I can't even get into my Twitter.

02:47:09.000 And then I'm with Ali because he's with me.

02:47:12.000 And we're walking down.

02:47:13.000 I'm like, yo, Ali, yo, I need to see your phone now.

02:47:16.000 I need to see your phone because I can't even see what they were tweeting.

02:47:19.000 And so I get his phone and I go to my page.

02:47:22.000 And the first couple, like the first one was like, it was wrong on so many levels.

02:47:29.000 It was kind of funny if you're a troll, you know.

02:47:32.000 But he was tweeting Connor.

02:47:33.000 He was like, I'm going to be raw dogging to do something with your wife tonight.

02:47:37.000 I was like, whoa, bro, that's a little, you know, that's a little much, you know.

02:47:43.000 And then the next one, another one comes in, another one comes in.

02:47:46.000 I'm like, now he's going all the way left.

02:47:50.000 At one point he even said something about Mike Tyson.

02:47:52.000 You're N-word.

02:47:53.000 You're F-ing N-word.

02:47:54.000 You're this and that.

02:47:55.000 He said to Mike Tyson?

02:47:56.000 Yeah.

02:47:56.000 So he's tweeting to a bunch of people.

02:47:57.000 Now he's tweeting to a bunch of people.

02:48:00.000 You're F-ing N-word or this and that.

02:48:03.000 Going in like that.

02:48:04.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:48:07.000 Screenshots my bank account.

02:48:08.000 Somehow he got into my bank account.

02:48:11.000 Got into my bank account and screenshots it and puts it out.

02:48:15.000 Now, I'm getting messages like, yo, what is going on?

02:48:19.000 And then, of course, that was right there.

02:48:22.000 I'm like, oh, they got my bank account.

02:48:23.000 Boom, I call the bank.

02:48:24.000 I'm on the phone with my bank.

02:48:25.000 we're in the car going to the arena to to seconify and now Dana we're getting calls from a message from everybody like yo we would now the UFC is working on getting the Twitter shut down and by the time they called and got the Twitter shut down he had tweeted my bank you know screenshot of my bank accounts he'd you know they tweeted you know the random people a lot of disrespectful things he

02:48:50.000 He was like, on one tweet, he was like, you know, if I get over a thousand followers or a thousand comments or retweets on this, I'm going to put his pin code out or his, like, internet password, the password for that out there.

02:49:03.000 And I'm like...

02:49:04.000 How the f...

02:49:05.000 Because I have my phone.

02:49:07.000 Right.

02:49:08.000 Like, how did they get in to my stuff?

02:49:12.000 And I have everything.

02:49:13.000 Now, Instagram, they shut down my Instagram right away before he could post anything.

02:49:17.000 You know, because that...

02:49:19.000 I have a lot more followers on there.

02:49:21.000 And it was just like...

02:49:24.000 I was so just flustered by it all to where I couldn't do anything but smile.

02:49:32.000 Does anybody ever post for you?

02:49:35.000 Yeah, they used to.

02:49:36.000 They used to?

02:49:37.000 Yeah, but I still like to have some level of control.

02:49:41.000 But meaning that other people besides you have your password.

02:49:44.000 Yeah.

02:49:45.000 Yeah.

02:49:46.000 Yeah, but it's someone that I know, someone that I trust.

02:49:49.000 It's not like random people.

02:49:51.000 No, it's one person.

02:49:52.000 But is it possible that that one person left their phone laying around or something and someone saw the password?

02:49:58.000 No, because it wasn't just my Twitter.

02:50:01.000 They got my bank account.

02:50:02.000 Right, that's what's crazy.

02:50:04.000 I mean, how are they connected?

02:50:06.000 How's the bank account?

02:50:07.000 And from what I'm learning now, hackers can easily hack you from an IP, like you're a Starbucks Wi-Fi, they can easily hack you from that.

02:50:15.000 Yeah, that's why you want a virtual private network, a VPN. Yeah.

02:50:22.000 We use ExpressVPN, but there's a bunch of them.

02:50:25.000 You could use that, and the good thing about it is also you could get into accounts.

02:50:31.000 Like, you could do stuff like, you know when you're in other countries, they lock you out of things?

02:50:34.000 Yeah.

02:50:35.000 Like, you can't look at certain parts of the web.

02:50:37.000 You can if you have a VPN. Yeah, because this was what, and obviously something they were using because, you know, when they sign in to my, they tried to get into my email, they got into my, when they sign in, Because now you have that two-factor authenticator or whatever.

02:50:51.000 And when they sign in, one of them showed that they were in New York.

02:50:55.000 Another one showed that they were in Bali.

02:50:58.000 So they were switching up.

02:51:01.000 Yeah, they're probably using the VPN. Whoever knew what they were doing because they were getting in there saying something.

02:51:06.000 And it was like, and of course, and I saw that.

02:51:08.000 And it was unfair, too, to my manager for people to actually say that because, you know.

02:51:14.000 Automatically, everybody assumed.

02:51:16.000 Of course, everyone said.

02:51:17.000 And then Connor said something about it, too, which was very low.

02:51:21.000 I understand that the comments that were tweeted out were very, very disrespectful.

02:51:25.000 First of all, that's not me.

02:51:26.000 I don't even talk like that.

02:51:27.000 Of course.

02:51:27.000 And I would never say anything like that.

02:51:29.000 Even though as much as I want to beat him up, if Connor wants to fight, we can fight.

02:51:32.000 But I would never.

02:51:33.000 There's lines that you don't cross.

02:51:35.000 That's not you at all.

02:51:36.000 I would never disrespect.

02:51:37.000 You don't even say it.

02:51:37.000 You say like effing.

02:51:39.000 Yeah.

02:51:40.000 I mean, don't get it wrong.

02:51:41.000 I'll say, you know, F for here and there.

02:51:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:51:43.000 You know, but it was just, I would never say anything about someone's family, someone's wife, someone's children.

02:51:50.000 I would never say that.

02:51:51.000 No, I never thought for a second it was you.

02:51:53.000 And Ali is a guy that's so into his fans, would never say, I don't care how much he hates Conor or how much he doesn't like him.

02:52:00.000 I thought he was just trying to stir up the pot.

02:52:01.000 No, no.

02:52:03.000 But I didn't know the extent.

02:52:04.000 Honestly, I didn't know the extent.

02:52:05.000 Of course not.

02:52:06.000 I didn't know the extent of what he had said either.

02:52:08.000 I didn't know he had tweeted to a bunch of other people.

02:52:10.000 It's bad.

02:52:11.000 It was bad.

02:52:12.000 It was some of the things were interesting.

02:52:13.000 Can they find out who did it?

02:52:14.000 Is there a way to...

02:52:15.000 I would think so, but...

02:52:18.000 I'm sure something like that is going to be expensive.

02:52:21.000 Someone's got to investigate that.

02:52:23.000 Tell the UFC, pony up, bitch.

02:52:25.000 Come on.

02:52:27.000 Is it worth it for them to do it?

02:52:29.000 If it is, if it's Ali.

02:52:31.000 That's true.

02:52:31.000 That's the only way it's worth it.

02:52:33.000 That's true.

02:52:33.000 If it's just some random crazy dude, some Russian hacker or something, that's not worth it.

02:52:37.000 But that's what I'm saying.

02:52:38.000 In order to find out if it's worth it or not, you gotta do the investigation.

02:52:41.000 You gotta pay for all of that.

02:52:42.000 Turns out it's Dana White.

02:52:45.000 You know, the funny thing is, as soon as we get there, Dana comes up and is like, initially, I didn't know what he meant, but he was like, yeah, I had to talk with him.

02:52:56.000 I made sure everything was okay.

02:52:58.000 And I'm thinking, you had to talk with who?

02:53:00.000 What are you talking about?

02:53:02.000 And this was before I really saw the tweets.

02:53:04.000 He's like, yeah, I had to talk with Conor.

02:53:06.000 I'm thinking like, I don't give a shit about Conor.

02:53:08.000 I got hacked.

02:53:09.000 What are you talking about?

02:53:10.000 Until I saw the comments and what was said towards him.

02:53:13.000 I was like, oh shit.

02:53:14.000 Okay, I understand.

02:53:15.000 This guy's going into one of the biggest fights.

02:53:17.000 I mean, this is a return fight.

02:53:20.000 With everything he's gone through and having that hanging around or someone saying that.

02:53:24.000 First of all, we're not that thirsty.

02:53:26.000 I'm the champion.

02:53:27.000 The belt's going to move.

02:53:28.000 I'm going to fight somebody.

02:53:30.000 So I don't really care who it is.

02:53:32.000 I'm going to fight somebody.

02:53:33.000 He has mentioned your name, right?

02:53:35.000 The only reason we're even talking about Conor, Conor's even in the conversation because he came out and said he wanted my belt.

02:53:44.000 I don't give two shits about Conor.

02:53:46.000 Well, the idea would be 45, tap to 55, tap to 70. I don't really care.

02:53:51.000 But 70, if he could win a title at 70, I mean, goddamn.

02:53:56.000 45, 55, and 70, that would be bonkers.

02:53:58.000 Arguably would be one of the biggest fights because he's trying to make history.

02:54:02.000 No one's ever done that.

02:54:04.000 To go up three weight classes and get a belt in all three weight classes, no one has ever done that.

02:54:10.000 Well, the UFC is campaigning for Khabib, and Khabib's like, give me 100 million bucks.

02:54:14.000 Yeah, I mean, he's in this position to ask that.

02:54:17.000 He's the fucking champ, and he doesn't want to fight him.

02:54:20.000 He's like, fuck that guy.

02:54:21.000 No, I've been there, done that.

02:54:22.000 Yeah, and also, he's like, why am I going to give this guy more attention and hear him say more crazy shit about me and all that stuff that he did before?

02:54:29.000 Yeah, I see some people don't care for that.

02:54:31.000 No.

02:54:31.000 Khabib is a very honorable guy.

02:54:33.000 He's not in the business of talking shit.

02:54:35.000 He doesn't have anything to do with that.

02:54:37.000 But he said one of the darkest things I've ever heard a guy say.

02:54:41.000 He said, I want to change his face.

02:54:43.000 I want to change his face.

02:54:45.000 And did you see the conviction in his face when he looked at the camera and said, send me location.

02:54:50.000 Send location.

02:54:51.000 Send me location.

02:54:53.000 I fucking love that statement, too.

02:54:55.000 We could do this in New York.

02:54:55.000 Brooklyn, Moscow, send me location.

02:54:57.000 Send me location, yeah.

02:54:58.000 He's not fucking around.

02:54:59.000 And that's how I feel, too.

02:55:02.000 You know, like, a lot of these guys do all this talking now, and do this, and this whole Masvidal character do all this talking, and, you know, I respected Masvidal a lot before, you know, but...

02:55:13.000 After years and years of being in the game, you finally start to get a little shine and this is how you're going to do it.

02:55:19.000 Now you're that gimmicky guy.

02:55:21.000 Yeah, but now you're talking about him.

02:55:23.000 Exactly.

02:55:24.000 That's how it works.

02:55:25.000 His management team, even though my management is taking care of his management team, that's another story.

02:55:31.000 They've done a good job of getting him to this point where he's got this hype around him now.

02:55:37.000 But that's what it is.

02:55:37.000 They've done a little bit of a good job, but knocking out Donald Cerrone, knocking out Darren Till, and putting Ben Askren into another dimension with a flying knee, all that helped.

02:55:48.000 And then fucking up Nate Diaz and opening up two vaginas on his face.

02:55:51.000 That is why he got popular, right?

02:55:54.000 You know that.

02:55:55.000 Yeah, but were those the hardest fights at that time?

02:55:58.000 Well, Darren Till was thought to be a very hard fight.

02:56:01.000 Darren Till was a good one.

02:56:02.000 Yeah, Darren Till was a good one.

02:56:03.000 He was coming off of the Tyron Woodley fight, but still, Darren Till was thought to be a very good fight.

02:56:08.000 Yes.

02:56:09.000 And Donald Cerrone, you know, Donald is a real 55-pounder.

02:56:12.000 Yes.

02:56:13.000 Yes.

02:56:14.000 But I'm talking about those big fights.

02:56:16.000 Yes.

02:56:17.000 So Donald Cerrone, Darren Till, and then the Ben Askren one, that was, no matter how you slice it, that's goddamn crazy what he did to him.

02:56:24.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:56:25.000 I mean, to land that knee, yeah, it's crazy.

02:56:28.000 But what happens if that knee not landed?

02:56:30.000 Who knows?

02:56:31.000 I mean, he might just fuck him up standing up.

02:56:34.000 That was the gamble fight.

02:56:36.000 I think that was the gamble fight that paid off and sent him on.

02:56:40.000 He took all that hype from Ben Askren.

02:56:43.000 I understand.

02:56:44.000 I get it, rightfully so.

02:56:45.000 But now to kind of make all this noise and say you're this and that, you're going to do this.

02:56:50.000 I've heard him gone as far as saying, oh, he's going to break my face.

02:56:53.000 He's going to do all of this and do that.

02:56:55.000 But then I see you backstage and nothing was said.

02:56:59.000 Nothing.

02:57:00.000 We sat in the same row in Connor's fight, the same row, maybe 10 people apart.

02:57:05.000 Nothing was said.

02:57:07.000 You know, I'm that type of guy.

02:57:08.000 If I say what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do something to you.

02:57:12.000 When I see you, it's on sight.

02:57:15.000 That's not me.

02:57:16.000 I don't like to talk to shit and this and that, but if I feel a certain way about you, when I see you, I'm gonna confront you about it.

02:57:23.000 So your number one pick is GSP? Number one is GSP. Number one is GSP for legacy, for history, for everything.

02:57:29.000 Number two, Red Panties Night?

02:57:30.000 Connor, of course.

02:57:31.000 Absolutely.

02:57:31.000 Very close number two.

02:57:32.000 Red Panties Night.

02:57:33.000 Number two.

02:57:34.000 Number three, Scarface.

02:57:35.000 Very close number two.

02:57:37.000 Yeah, that kid.

02:57:39.000 Masvidal.

02:57:39.000 Yes.

02:57:40.000 Why does he call you Owl?

02:57:41.000 What is Owl Hunting?

02:57:42.000 What is that about?

02:57:43.000 Because I say, who?

02:57:44.000 Because who is this guy?

02:57:46.000 Who?

02:57:47.000 Who is that guy?

02:57:48.000 I didn't get it.

02:57:49.000 I was like, why is he an owl?

02:57:51.000 That makes perfect sense.

02:57:52.000 Who?

02:57:53.000 No, because when people try to bring him up, oh man, like he's just killing him.

02:57:56.000 I'm like, who?

02:57:57.000 That's hilarious.

02:57:58.000 It's the same guy.

02:57:59.000 What are you talking about?

02:58:01.000 Who?

02:58:01.000 Come on, that's hilarious.

02:58:02.000 On both sides.

02:58:03.000 Yeah, I mean, it is what it is.

02:58:05.000 You know, let's just be honest.

02:58:07.000 Unless they somehow, because they're doing everything possible not to fight me right now.

02:58:11.000 They're begging for a counter fight.

02:58:12.000 They're begging for that fight.

02:58:14.000 Because, like, I get it.

02:58:16.000 Let's be honest.

02:58:18.000 My manager said it too.

02:58:20.000 If I was his manager, yes!

02:58:21.000 Why would I fight you?

02:58:23.000 You know, I've got all this hype right now.

02:58:24.000 I would do everything possible to fight you.

02:58:26.000 Of course I want to fight Conor.

02:58:28.000 You fight Conor and lose, guess what?

02:58:29.000 I still got the payday.

02:58:30.000 Who cares?

02:58:31.000 A giant one.

02:58:32.000 Yeah, a giant payday.

02:58:33.000 Who cares?

02:58:34.000 But he fights me.

02:58:35.000 He goes back down to making 50 and 50 or whatever he was making before.

02:58:40.000 All that hype is done.

02:58:42.000 So, yeah, why would I fight you?

02:58:44.000 Hell no!

02:58:45.000 I have the opportunity to potentially fight Conor if Conor picks him.

02:58:49.000 It's real interesting right now, right?

02:58:51.000 It's like, how does this all play out?

02:58:53.000 We're just waiting for the UFC to pull all the pieces together.

02:58:55.000 But listen, the problem is, everyone has been saying, oh, they need to give him a tighter shot, need to give him a tighter shot, need to give him a tighter shot.

02:59:04.000 Well, guess what?

02:59:05.000 You just might get what you wish for.

02:59:07.000 But now you realize, I don't really want the title shot.

02:59:11.000 No, I want this money over here.

02:59:13.000 I want this guy to pick me so I can get that money.

02:59:15.000 I don't really want the title shot because we both know what's going to happen.

02:59:18.000 Him and I both know.

02:59:19.000 His management team knows.

02:59:20.000 Everybody knows what's truly going to happen.

02:59:23.000 But that's the nature of the game because he's got his fans who really believe that he can beat anybody in the world.

02:59:28.000 That he can't be touched.

02:59:30.000 They're just like, oh yeah, that's the guy that's gonna beat you.

02:59:33.000 He's gonna knock you out.

02:59:34.000 He's gonna do whatever he wants to do to you.

02:59:37.000 No.

02:59:38.000 It's not gonna happen.

02:59:39.000 Not even remotely possible for it to happen.

02:59:42.000 Be an exciting fight to set up.

02:59:44.000 I mean, I don't care.

02:59:45.000 I'll fight anybody.

02:59:46.000 The hype behind it would be gigantic.

02:59:48.000 I'll fight anybody.

02:59:49.000 Actually, for all three of those fights.

02:59:52.000 You're in the driver's seat, which is beautiful.

02:59:54.000 You really are, because everybody wants that title.

02:59:57.000 The BMF titles, no one's trying to get that.

03:00:01.000 No one cares.

03:00:02.000 It's just a cool-looking belt that he gets to carry around with them.

03:00:04.000 But everybody wants your belt.

03:00:06.000 Yeah.

03:00:06.000 So, you know, at the end of the day, Dana said that's the fight that he wants.

03:00:10.000 And we're in the business of doing business with Dana right now.

03:00:13.000 So, if that's the fight that Dana wants to make, then we're going to go in and we're going to talk.

03:00:17.000 What kind of timeline do you think you're looking at?

03:00:19.000 Ideally for you.

03:00:20.000 Well, let's see.

03:00:21.000 April's taken already.

03:00:23.000 March is taken.

03:00:25.000 What about the July?

03:00:27.000 I'm ready to fight as soon as possible.

03:00:29.000 After April, I'm ready to fight.

03:00:31.000 That's going to be in Vegas too.

03:00:32.000 The big July event?

03:00:34.000 Yeah, I'm ready to fight.

03:00:36.000 We'll see what Dana says.

03:00:37.000 If it makes sense for them.

03:00:39.000 That's what I want to see.

03:00:41.000 I want to see red pants night.

03:00:44.000 You and him would be fucking crazy.

03:00:45.000 Goddamn, that would be huge.

03:00:47.000 Yeah, if it happens, it happens.

03:00:49.000 But I'm not holding my breath on that.

03:00:52.000 I'm excited about all three of those matchups.

03:00:54.000 They're doing everything.

03:00:55.000 They're good around it.

03:00:56.000 And it is what it is for them.

03:00:58.000 But I'm going to get a fight.

03:01:00.000 I don't think I'd be extra hyped for any of those fights.

03:01:03.000 I think all three of them, I'm at 100. Yeah.

03:01:06.000 Whether it's GSP, I'm at 100. Masvidal, I'm at 100. Red panties night.

03:01:11.000 Come on!

03:01:13.000 I'm fucking pumped.

03:01:14.000 I'm 100% pumped for all three of those fights.

03:01:16.000 Honestly, at some point, we're just looking, I'm like, that actually kind of makes more sense than even...

03:01:21.000 Obviously, the Masvidal being in the welterweight has been doing his thing, but it's like, this guy hasn't beat anybody in the top five.

03:01:29.000 Hasn't even fought anyone in the top five.

03:01:31.000 Well, if Conor jumps right ahead of everybody and gets a title shot, people will frown upon it, but at the same time, he just fought at welterweight.

03:01:44.000 And they'll get it, because look, Conor did the same thing for lightweight.

03:01:48.000 He went straight into a fight.

03:01:50.000 He didn't even fight a tune-up fight.

03:01:51.000 He just fought a tune-up fight at welterweight.

03:01:53.000 At lightweight, he didn't.

03:01:54.000 He just jumped right into the title, and you saw what he did there.

03:01:57.000 Yep.

03:01:57.000 So people are intrigued to see if Conor is really this mythical creature that can go in and win three titles.

03:02:04.000 Dude.

03:02:05.000 You know, like that, I mean, it makes sense.

03:02:08.000 If Conor wants that opportunity, who am I to try to stand in the way of his opportunity to try to be great?

03:02:14.000 I don't mind.

03:02:16.000 Red panties night, July.

03:02:17.000 Set it up, UFC. Listen, champ, it was great having you in here.

03:02:22.000 As always, appreciate you, brother.

03:02:23.000 Thank you so much.

03:02:24.000 So happy to hear your father's getting out.

03:02:26.000 It's amazing.

03:02:26.000 Thank you.

03:02:27.000 And that's it.

03:02:29.000 Tell everybody your Instagram, your Twitter, all that jazz.

03:02:32.000 Instagram, Twitter.

03:02:33.000 It's back.

03:02:33.000 You got it all back.

03:02:34.000 It's back.

03:02:35.000 At Usman, U-S-M-A-N, 84 KG. You know, we back, people.

03:02:40.000 We back.

03:02:41.000 Bye, everybody.

03:02:42.000 Thank you, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 08, 2011

JRE MMA Show #87 with Kamaru Usman

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