The Joe Rogan Experience - March 16, 2011


JRE MMA Show #90 with Rashad Evans


Episode Stats

Length

2 hours and 24 minutes

Words per Minute

187.31

Word Count

27,110

Sentence Count

2,407

Misogynist Sentences

26

Hate Speech Sentences

27


Summary

In this episode, we talk about carrying a bag and how to carry a bag. We also talk about what a fanny pack is and why it's a cool thing to carry around and why people don't want to carry one. We also get into some of our favorite fanny packs and how you should carry one if you want to be a bold man and not be scared to carry something that's a little more than a little bit more than your average bag. We hope you enjoy this episode and if you like it, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and we'll get back to you with a new episode in a few weeks. Thank you so much for being a part of the podcast and supporting the podcast. We really appreciate it and look forward to seeing you soon. Love ya'll! - The Crew at The Crew Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and Subscribe to our channel! Thanks for listening and Share the podcast! We appreciate it. Peace, Love, Blessings, EJ & Cheers, Ej and Cheers. - Ej & Rachael -The Crew. Jon & Rory Jon and Rory. Mike and Rory, AKA The Crew, Mike & Rory, Mike, Rachie, Chris, & Riley, Brian, Michael and Rachio, Jake, , and Chris, Jr., Michael, . & Jake, Jr. , Jake, Jaxon, etc. and the Crew, etc., etc., , etc. , etc, etc. etc. & much more. & the crew, etc.. , and much more! & so much more... JB, JB & Co., etc. Thank you for listening to this episode we hope you all have a wonderful music, JACOBY, etc, and so much love & support you all will enjoy it! , JACO, RACOY, RYAN, JOSH, JAMIE, JOSY, JUICY, KEVIN, JAY & JAYE, JERRY, AND KAREN, etc.... etc


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Three, two, one, boom.
00:00:03.000 You tell a lot about a man, whether or not he's one of those dudes that has one of them wallet phone cases.
00:00:08.000 Rashad Evans, you're a wallet phone case guy.
00:00:10.000 You pack it all into one package.
00:00:12.000 You know what?
00:00:13.000 I wasn't always a wallet phone case guy.
00:00:14.000 It's kind of something that just, you know, I kind of evolved into.
00:00:17.000 I was the one that was carrying around the...
00:00:20.000 Man purse?
00:00:21.000 The man purse for a while, and after a while I kind of transitioned to just the wallet case.
00:00:27.000 That's a lot of work, though.
00:00:28.000 Look how thick that sucker is.
00:00:30.000 It's like a Costanza now.
00:00:31.000 Look at that thing.
00:00:32.000 I know.
00:00:33.000 That thing's giant.
00:00:34.000 Every single time I clean it out, I tell myself I'm not going to put any more cards in there except for the ones I need, but it just attracts the cards.
00:00:41.000 Yeah, that's a problem.
00:00:42.000 I have one of those Ridge wallets.
00:00:44.000 You know what those are?
00:00:45.000 Yeah.
00:00:45.000 Those are the shit because you can't really get much in there.
00:00:48.000 I get like a credit card or two and my license.
00:00:52.000 See, that's what I need.
00:00:54.000 I need to have that discipline where there's nothing else to carry but what I have to carry.
00:00:58.000 And it's got a little money clip on it, so I'll shove a couple bills in there and that's it.
00:01:02.000 That's it.
00:01:03.000 I go out like that.
00:01:04.000 That's what I need.
00:01:04.000 That's what you need.
00:01:05.000 Front pocket.
00:01:06.000 All this nonsense.
00:01:07.000 That's so thick.
00:01:09.000 It's thick.
00:01:09.000 You might as well go back to the man purse.
00:01:11.000 But you know what?
00:01:12.000 Might as well get a backpack or a fanny pack.
00:01:16.000 I'll send you one of these.
00:01:17.000 I just sent two to Stipe Miocic.
00:01:19.000 Those look alright, though.
00:01:20.000 That's pretty dope, right?
00:01:21.000 Yeah, it is pretty dope.
00:01:22.000 That's my own company.
00:01:23.000 Well, we don't make them.
00:01:24.000 We buy them from Roots.
00:01:25.000 We put our stamp on it.
00:01:27.000 Yeah, leather, right?
00:01:28.000 You might want to get one for you.
00:01:29.000 Yeah, I do want one.
00:01:30.000 You're a bold man.
00:01:31.000 You can wear a fanny pack.
00:01:33.000 You know what?
00:01:34.000 I was rocking the man purse before anybody else was wearing it.
00:01:37.000 I mean, out in America.
00:01:38.000 Out in Europe, they were doing it a long time ago.
00:01:40.000 But in America, I was like one of the...
00:01:42.000 I was a trailblazer, I like to say.
00:01:44.000 At least among my friends.
00:01:45.000 It is a weird thing, right?
00:01:46.000 Like, guys are not supposed to wear bags.
00:01:48.000 But women have, like, fucking all these different brands of bags they carry around.
00:01:54.000 Fendi and Gucci and this and that.
00:01:57.000 And it makes you look like you're special.
00:01:58.000 Because you got some fancy bag.
00:02:00.000 And carrying a bag actually helped me be more prepared than ever because, I mean, I would always be, one of them dudes can't carry enough stuff, and I'll always become things, wishing I had things that I didn't have, and I'm like, you know what?
00:02:14.000 The bag worked.
00:02:15.000 But why is it that we're afraid to carry a bag?
00:02:17.000 Like, a guy can carry a backpack.
00:02:19.000 Backpack's fine.
00:02:20.000 I guess you got shit to do.
00:02:22.000 You got a backpack.
00:02:23.000 You're fucking serious.
00:02:24.000 It's got two straps, but one strap.
00:02:27.000 Man, what's wrong with you?
00:02:29.000 I think it's because you have to do the feminine hold at times with the one strap.
00:02:36.000 But dudes do it over the shoulder, so you don't have to do that.
00:02:39.000 Then it's a satchel.
00:02:40.000 Then it's manly.
00:02:42.000 Very strange how a bag became manly or not manly based on the amount of straps.
00:02:48.000 Yeah, and then for women, it's like a status symbol.
00:02:53.000 Like, what kind of bag they're carrying around.
00:02:55.000 Nobody gives a fuck what kind of backpack you have.
00:02:57.000 Right?
00:02:58.000 Right.
00:02:59.000 If a dude has a nice backpack, no one's like, bro, where'd you get that backpack?
00:03:03.000 Where'd you get that backpack?
00:03:04.000 But I mean, you got a nice...
00:03:05.000 Fanny pack?
00:03:06.000 Fanny pack.
00:03:07.000 Sort of, not really.
00:03:08.000 It doesn't get the respect it deserves.
00:03:10.000 But it sticks out.
00:03:11.000 The people are like, okay, he's got enough balls to carry a fanny pack.
00:03:13.000 Yes, there's a little bit of that.
00:03:14.000 A little bit of that.
00:03:15.000 You know, a little bit of...
00:03:16.000 I don't give a fuck.
00:03:17.000 I've seen a fanny pack carried where it's across the shoulder.
00:03:19.000 That looks kind of cool.
00:03:21.000 Weak people.
00:03:21.000 Weak people.
00:03:22.000 Scared.
00:03:22.000 You don't think it's got a...
00:03:23.000 No, they're scared to rock a real fanny pack.
00:03:25.000 Like, with the waist.
00:03:26.000 Yeah, they're cowards.
00:03:27.000 Cowards.
00:03:27.000 They're cowards.
00:03:28.000 They're fashion cowards.
00:03:29.000 They don't want anybody calling them out and wearing a fanny pack.
00:03:31.000 So, no, no, no, it's a shoulder bag.
00:03:33.000 It's not a shoulder bag, bitch.
00:03:35.000 You have to wear it right in front.
00:03:35.000 It's a fat man's fanny pack.
00:03:36.000 You're wearing it over your shoulders.
00:03:39.000 That's what it is.
00:03:39.000 They're wearing it in a way you're not supposed to wear it.
00:03:42.000 It's like if you wore a backpack around your waist, people would be like, what the fuck are you doing?
00:03:46.000 It's not a backpack.
00:03:48.000 It's wrapped around your waist.
00:03:49.000 What are you doing?
00:03:50.000 You think that carrying it here, you have everything you want, like right here.
00:03:54.000 What about right here, man?
00:03:55.000 You don't even have to lift your hands up.
00:03:57.000 You go like that.
00:03:58.000 They're right in there.
00:04:00.000 I guess I'm just trying to say how I think I would wear that one, but you're kind of convincing me, Joe, that maybe the front carry might be the...
00:04:11.000 It's the way to go.
00:04:12.000 The only issue is girls won't fuck you.
00:04:14.000 Some girls, like, you wear a fanny pack.
00:04:18.000 That's it.
00:04:19.000 See, I'm married anyway, so I'm good now.
00:04:21.000 Beautiful.
00:04:21.000 Perfect.
00:04:21.000 Yeah, I'm good with that.
00:04:22.000 Every married man, like myself, every married man should have a fucking fanny pack.
00:04:26.000 It's a deterrent.
00:04:27.000 Pussy deterrent.
00:04:27.000 Yeah, it's a little bit of that, but it's also, fuck you.
00:04:30.000 That's what it says.
00:04:31.000 Fuck you.
00:04:32.000 I can carry my own shit.
00:04:33.000 Right there.
00:04:34.000 Keep my shit right there.
00:04:36.000 That's hilarious.
00:04:37.000 Keep it together.
00:04:38.000 Keep it together.
00:04:39.000 And then you also have this crazy green drink that you were telling me about.
00:04:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:43.000 So this right here is spirulina.
00:04:46.000 Ever since I changed my diet up, I need to have a couple of these every single day.
00:04:50.000 And it...
00:04:51.000 Makes me feel good.
00:04:52.000 Yeah?
00:04:53.000 Yeah, I don't eat meat anymore, so I know you're a big meat eater.
00:04:55.000 Yeah, do you eat fish or any of that?
00:04:57.000 No.
00:04:58.000 Nothing?
00:04:58.000 All vegan?
00:04:59.000 All vegan.
00:04:59.000 When did you become vegan?
00:05:01.000 Probably about, man, I want to say probably about almost two years now.
00:05:05.000 Really?
00:05:05.000 Yeah, almost two years now.
00:05:07.000 Like it?
00:05:07.000 I love it.
00:05:08.000 It's changed my life, man.
00:05:10.000 It's been one of the things I can honestly say that's just revolutionized my complete everything.
00:05:16.000 It's been everything lately that has changed me from a mental standpoint, physical standpoint, and even a spiritual standpoint.
00:05:29.000 I definitely think it changes the mind because this all-meat diet that I've been on, that changes your mind the other way.
00:05:34.000 It makes you more aggressive.
00:05:35.000 Yeah, too much so.
00:05:37.000 Yeah, I have to work out extra to keep the demons at bay.
00:05:40.000 It's the blood.
00:05:41.000 It is.
00:05:42.000 It's that.
00:05:43.000 It's also like, if you think about it, if your body thinks, okay, I have to eat animals all the time because all this motherfucker eats is animals, right?
00:05:52.000 Right.
00:05:52.000 If your body thinks that, your body's going to...
00:05:56.000 Sort of take on the characteristics of something that's a predator, right?
00:06:00.000 You would become more...
00:06:01.000 I mean, this is obviously like some bullshit bro psychology because I'm a moron.
00:06:05.000 But I would say your body is going to think, I'm more aggressive.
00:06:09.000 I have to chase shit down and kill it.
00:06:12.000 You have to be more predatory.
00:06:14.000 Your body has to think that way.
00:06:16.000 I can get with that.
00:06:17.000 It makes sense, though.
00:06:18.000 It makes sense.
00:06:19.000 Did you do it right after you retired?
00:06:21.000 No.
00:06:21.000 Um, you know, I kind of, not right after I retired.
00:06:24.000 It was kind of something that, um, that kind of just happened.
00:06:27.000 Like I, uh, ever since I, um, like, cause I do mushrooms, right?
00:06:33.000 Uh-oh.
00:06:34.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:06:34.000 So it was, it was, it was when I did a, uh, like when I had a really, really deep trip that just caused me to, to, uh, Have one of those ego deaths.
00:06:45.000 And when I had the ego death, I was like in a state where this knowingness was coming to me.
00:06:51.000 And it was like, you know, I was like, it was all day.
00:06:54.000 I did a mushroom ceremony.
00:06:57.000 And it was all day.
00:06:58.000 And I was just out in the sun and just, you know, in my own mind.
00:07:01.000 And then I was smelling real bad.
00:07:04.000 And then I smell myself.
00:07:05.000 You know, ever you catch a smell yourself?
00:07:07.000 And I was like, Oh, my God, I stink.
00:07:09.000 And then the knowingness said, like, you stink because you eat dead, rotting flesh.
00:07:14.000 And it said, if you want to eat, if you want life, then you eat life.
00:07:18.000 That's what this knowingness said to me.
00:07:20.000 And then I was like, that's a strange thought to just come into my mind like that.
00:07:24.000 And then after that, no kidding, like I just lost my taste for meat.
00:07:30.000 And I used to eat all kinds of meat.
00:07:33.000 I would eat pork, and I was big into pork and big into all kinds of meat, and I was never one of those diet guys at all.
00:07:40.000 But after that happened to me, after I had that experience, it was just one of those things that I just couldn't help but go into.
00:07:48.000 I just lost the taste for meat.
00:07:51.000 One trip...
00:07:52.000 Yeah, I mean, well, it kind of started when I, like, about eight months before that, I did The Toad.
00:08:02.000 And then The Toad was one that really was the catalyst for everything.
00:08:07.000 There's a lot of people listening going, what the fuck is he saying?
00:08:09.000 You did The Toad?
00:08:10.000 Yeah, yeah, so 5-MEO-DMT, which is The Toad.
00:08:14.000 And The Toad was one that was, I guess, the catalyst of busting that gate open.
00:08:20.000 That's a crazy psychedelic.
00:08:21.000 that's a very underrated psychedelic oh my god it that that will yeah that's the the first really but i had done mushrooms before but i did a fairly small dose i mean fairly small in that i could walk around i was pretty whacked out but i could walk around a couple grams but the 5 meo dmt was the first one where i just ceased to exist
00:08:43.000 i just stopped and it made me really aware of ego really aware of like even the way i express myself the way i would frame sentences and say things I was just, I was trying to sound cool, or I was trying to portray something in a way, like, not just trying to portray the information, but trying to impress people, and it made me, like, feel real gross.
00:09:05.000 Yeah, well, that's the thing.
00:09:07.000 Like, when I had my 5-MEO experience, it was, man, I just never, I never thought that consciousness could be so vast and so big.
00:09:22.000 When you have that experience with the 5-MeO, it made this consciousness look as if it was a drop in a bucket.
00:09:33.000 Just like a little drop and I got to experience the ocean of consciousness.
00:09:39.000 And that right there was the most humbling experience I ever had.
00:09:43.000 Just to feel my ego, who I thought I was, what I thought I was, completely just annihilated.
00:09:51.000 And to feel what I actually was.
00:09:54.000 It was crazy.
00:09:55.000 Yeah, I feel like regular consciousness that most of us exist in most of the time is a veneer.
00:10:01.000 It's a very thin veneer.
00:10:03.000 And through some things, you get a taste of what's under the surface through meditation and yoga and all these different methods that people use, holotropic breathing.
00:10:13.000 You get a taste of what's underneath the surface.
00:10:15.000 Kundalini yoga, apparently.
00:10:17.000 Kundalini yoga, apparently.
00:10:18.000 I've never really done it, but some people say you could really trip out if you do it in a certain way for long periods of time.
00:10:25.000 People have very intense psychedelic experiences akin to DMT. Yeah.
00:10:31.000 I had like a Kundalini kind of experience, like an awakening where it was like a...
00:10:38.000 I just had...
00:10:40.000 I felt like the top of my head just completely was gone.
00:10:45.000 And it was like I was just open to all the information...
00:10:52.000 It was like I had no head.
00:10:58.000 Information was just pouring into...
00:11:01.000 Like no roof?
00:11:02.000 No roof.
00:11:03.000 Was this from kundalini?
00:11:04.000 No, it was from mushrooms.
00:11:08.000 But I felt that kundalini experience where you see the light.
00:11:15.000 It was like this really intense light.
00:11:18.000 That happens in my head, and it was just, boom, you see the universe, you know?
00:11:25.000 Well, you know, that thing about the center of your head, there's a lot of speculation on what the Egyptians were trying to draw when they were drawing certain images, but there's certain temples that seem to mimic certain shapes in these temples that seem to mimic the pineal gland.
00:11:42.000 Like even the eye, there's that famous Egyptian eye that has that sort of dip down in that weird sort of Egyptian shape.
00:11:50.000 There's been a bunch of different scholars that have tried to figure out what exactly that meant.
00:11:56.000 And one of the theories is that that's a cross-section of the pineal gland.
00:12:00.000 And they think that what they were emphasizing was that that is the area where the brain produces all the psychedelic chemicals.
00:12:06.000 They speculated this for a long time, but Dr. Rick Strassman, he's the guy that wrote that book, DMT the Spirit Molecule, and there was actually a documentary on it that I hosted.
00:12:18.000 He's done a bunch of work with this Cottonwood Research Foundation where they've shown now that it exists in live rats.
00:12:26.000 And that it is actually produced by that gland, that DMT is actually produced in these animals by this one particular gland that they associated with spiritual awakening with the third eye.
00:12:38.000 So it actually is a real thing, that feeling that you get.
00:12:41.000 And the thing about mushrooms that's really interesting is mushrooms actually mimic natural human neurochemistry.
00:12:49.000 There's 5-MeO-DMT, there's N-N-DMT, and then what mushrooms, what's processed, the way your body processes, it becomes something called 4-Fox-4-Aloxy-N-N-dimethyltryptamine.
00:13:03.000 So it's all real close.
00:13:06.000 I might have butchered that technical description.
00:13:08.000 But it's real close to human neurochemistry, so your body absorbs it very easily.
00:13:14.000 Your body takes it in.
00:13:15.000 Your body knows what it is.
00:13:16.000 Your body knows what to do with it.
00:13:19.000 See, I like mushrooms because of mushrooms.
00:13:22.000 So the 5-MeO is so powerful that you can't really get a handle on what happened.
00:13:27.000 I came back from being away for like 17 minutes and I'm just like, whoa, that was intense.
00:13:33.000 I felt as if I was everything all at the same time and it was so many different things that was just happening.
00:13:40.000 But you really can't unpack it because it's incomprehensible to an extent.
00:13:45.000 For the larger extent because you're dealing with concepts that the human mind can't even grasp because there's no vocabulary to speak about.
00:13:56.000 When I did the mushrooms, the mushrooms were kind of like the rivers and the lakes that leads to the ocean.
00:14:04.000 And it helps me understand how I am part of something so big and something so grand.
00:14:10.000 So when I have my mushroom experiences, They were all different in some respect.
00:14:19.000 Whenever I do go deep, because I like to go deep, I don't play around.
00:14:24.000 Microdosing.
00:14:25.000 I do microdosing sometimes, but I like to get in there with 5 grams, 10. That's how you know what's up.
00:14:34.000 Yeah, those big ones.
00:14:35.000 The big doses where you get kind of scared.
00:14:38.000 Ooh.
00:14:38.000 Once you ate it, and then you know you got like 40 minutes before it kicks in, you're like, oh boy, there's no turning back now.
00:14:43.000 There's no turning back now.
00:14:45.000 But that's the thing about it, when you face that fear of just going deep.
00:14:50.000 And it's helped me out so much because...
00:14:53.000 Towards the end of my career, I didn't finish the way I wanted to.
00:14:58.000 I felt like after I came back from my injuries, I just wasn't the same for a fighter anymore.
00:15:04.000 Were you not the same physically or was it mentally?
00:15:07.000 It was physical, but it also became mental because physically I just didn't feel the same.
00:15:12.000 I didn't feel like I ever regained the power back in my legs.
00:15:16.000 For the most part, my legs were everything.
00:15:18.000 What were the injuries?
00:15:19.000 I had two ACL surgeries on my right knee, and that completely just, it changed everything for me because, you know, being a smaller light heavyweight, all of my power was all in my legs, you know, and whatever I couldn't make up for in the size department up top, I was usually able to make up for with the power of my legs, you know.
00:15:39.000 Is that related to the injury that you got when you were at Jackson's and Diego Sanchez crashed into you?
00:15:45.000 No, so that was a different injury.
00:15:46.000 So that was MCL, but it was on my left knee, so the right knee was the one who got...
00:15:51.000 That always drove me crazy, because I'm like, why the fuck is a guy training for a world title fight in a regular class where everybody knows people collide into people in regular classes all the time with millions of dollars on the line?
00:16:03.000 Crazy.
00:16:04.000 I know.
00:16:04.000 I see that all the time, though, in top gyms.
00:16:07.000 See, that's where the training has gone.
00:16:10.000 Before, we would train like maniacs.
00:16:12.000 We would train crazy as hell and put ourselves in some crazy situations.
00:16:15.000 And you try to put yourself in a situation because you're like, you know, I did it before and I've done it so many times and nothing has happened.
00:16:23.000 But when you start to move up and there's more on the line, then you always have to take every single precaution because you can't afford to take a step back.
00:16:32.000 Right.
00:16:33.000 For me, once I had my knee injuries, though, I just mentally was not the same person.
00:16:39.000 When I competed, I wasn't the same person.
00:16:42.000 Then it affected me because then I'm like, I'm not the same person.
00:16:45.000 Did you lose the ability to explode with your knees?
00:16:49.000 Did you have meniscus damage as well?
00:16:51.000 I had meniscus damage.
00:16:52.000 I lost the ability to explode.
00:16:54.000 I lost...
00:16:55.000 It would get tired.
00:16:56.000 My leg would get tired, you know, and it didn't have the same bounce, the same rhythm, and it kind of felt heavy, and I couldn't really feel it in the front, you know, the front part of my knee.
00:17:06.000 I couldn't really feel it.
00:17:08.000 I had a little...
00:17:08.000 Did you have a patella tendon graft?
00:17:10.000 I had a patella tendon.
00:17:11.000 So they cut the front open and then they take the piece of the bone, they take a slice of the patella tendon and a piece of the bone on the bottom and they replace your ACL with that?
00:17:20.000 Correct.
00:17:20.000 Yeah, I did that too.
00:17:21.000 It takes a long time to get that feeling back.
00:17:23.000 It took me more than a year before it felt right.
00:17:26.000 And then even then, if I was on my knees, it would hurt like hell.
00:17:29.000 See, and that's the thing.
00:17:30.000 Like, I still, to this day, like, I still have dead spots where I can't feel on my knee.
00:17:34.000 Well, it's numb in the front.
00:17:35.000 Yeah, it's numb.
00:17:36.000 And I think I had to do it a lot because I had two of the knee surgeries back to back.
00:17:40.000 Like, when I was only healing up for my first one, then it ruptured again.
00:17:44.000 So then I had to go back in and get it done.
00:17:47.000 You know, the first time it was with the cadaver.
00:17:49.000 And then the cadaver tissue didn't take.
00:17:52.000 But I didn't know that until, like, almost a year later.
00:17:54.000 And then it slipped out just training normally.
00:17:58.000 Fuck!
00:18:00.000 ACLs are brutal.
00:18:01.000 Oh my gosh.
00:18:02.000 It's the worst, man.
00:18:04.000 It's the worst.
00:18:04.000 And I admire guys who can come back and look phenomenal and do it still because when you mess up your knee, for me, it just kind of mentally messed me up a bit.
00:18:17.000 How much physical rehab did you have to do for that?
00:18:19.000 Man, I did a lot.
00:18:21.000 I did years worth of it.
00:18:22.000 The first time, I didn't do it as well as I could have because I'm like, I bounced back pretty easy.
00:18:27.000 And I did.
00:18:28.000 I felt like I was bouncing back pretty easy.
00:18:31.000 But when it went the second time, then it was harder because not only was I healing from the ACL, but then my knee was healing in general just from the previous surgery and then plus this surgery.
00:18:43.000 And then I had...
00:18:44.000 Something different because in a first surgery, it wasn't too invasive because I wasn't using my own tissue.
00:18:51.000 That cadaver one is nice.
00:18:52.000 It's easy.
00:18:53.000 It's easy if it works, if your body takes it.
00:18:55.000 How long did it take before it blew out again?
00:18:58.000 Man, I was almost a year.
00:18:59.000 I was training for another fight thinking I could get back in shape and fight again.
00:19:03.000 And then when I was training for that fight, it blew out again.
00:19:06.000 I was scheduled to fight Gustinson and then AJ ended up taking that fight instead.
00:19:12.000 But it was one that just...
00:19:16.000 First of all, when I was out for two years healing from injury, I got to see what it was like when all the cameras stopped flashing, when people stopped caring to get your pictures.
00:19:29.000 That whole feeling that happens when you hit that transitional point and stop becoming that guy.
00:19:39.000 And it was a difficult transition at first because, you know, even though I always told myself I would never, you know, put myself in the mindset of being just that fighter, sooner or later you become just that fighter and that's what happened to me.
00:19:52.000 So when I had to...
00:19:54.000 Meaning that you weren't the best?
00:19:56.000 Well, not just the basketball.
00:19:57.000 You were an elite, world-class.
00:19:59.000 I wasn't an elite, world-class fighter like I used to be.
00:20:02.000 I wasn't on that level anymore.
00:20:04.000 That was something for me that was just like, God damn.
00:20:08.000 Your use of your legs was so pivotal.
00:20:10.000 It was so huge for you in that Rampage fight.
00:20:13.000 I remember that opening sequence when you just darted after him and blasted him with the right hand.
00:20:18.000 It was so fast.
00:20:19.000 He didn't even know what the fuck was happening.
00:20:22.000 As soon as the bell rang, you were on him and you cracked him quick.
00:20:25.000 I was like, that is some serious explosion.
00:20:28.000 And that was even in that fight, I could even wrestle like the last four weeks of that fight because I pulled my hamstring in that fight.
00:20:36.000 So I was just really just drilling up until that fight for the last four weeks.
00:20:41.000 So when I came out like that, I was like, I was a little insecure.
00:20:46.000 And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to see what happened if I go.
00:20:49.000 And it worked.
00:20:49.000 I was like, okay, I still got some spring.
00:20:51.000 Yeah.
00:20:52.000 It worked perfect.
00:20:55.000 When I was into my career and trying to figure out what's next for me, it was hard.
00:21:06.000 It was just a hard place because I didn't really have anybody to talk to.
00:21:10.000 I didn't really know what I was going to do next in my life.
00:21:14.000 Then when I started fighting again, I still was in that place where I just wasn't totally back to fighting, my mentality.
00:21:22.000 Because fighting is something mentally that it takes a certain mentality for.
00:21:28.000 And for me, fighting was something that I did to exercise some demons a bit.
00:21:36.000 You know, but but having some time away from the sport, it allowed me to figure out other ways to exercise.
00:21:41.000 So demons and, you know, figure out some things around them, you know, the things that made me mad, the things that were my fuel before I kind of made peace with them.
00:21:50.000 And then making peace with a lot of the things that I was using for my fuel, it just changed the way I fought and the way I seen fighting.
00:21:58.000 So coming back to fight, I just wasn't that same fighter anymore.
00:22:03.000 And then when I got to the point where I was like, man, I can't keep myself...
00:22:07.000 I was like, man, I'm not fighting the way I want to fight.
00:22:10.000 And, you know, there's...
00:22:12.000 I mean, what's the point?
00:22:14.000 If I can't go and compete the way I want to, I'm only torturing myself.
00:22:17.000 So then I decided to retire.
00:22:19.000 But then when I retired, I still was in a space where...
00:22:22.000 I was like, man, there's still something missing.
00:22:25.000 So then when I did the 5-MeO-DMT, that kind of put things in perspective in a whole different way, you know?
00:22:33.000 And it just, it changed me.
00:22:36.000 It changed me a lot.
00:22:37.000 It changed the way that, you know, like I said, the way I think, the way I eat, everything about it, you know?
00:22:42.000 So it was so cathartic in so many senses of the word, you know?
00:22:48.000 Do you think that something like that would be really beneficial for fighters that are in the twilight of their career?
00:22:53.000 I think it could be.
00:22:55.000 I think every fighter gets to a point where you fight enough, then fighting, you kind of get in a weird space about it.
00:23:03.000 And, you know, I've seen fighters go through that period where they just kind of like figuring out that, why am I still doing this?
00:23:09.000 You know, they've had great moments inside the cage, but then they have those down moments.
00:23:13.000 And those down moments are the moments where it's harder to come back from.
00:23:18.000 And I think those are the times where you, you know, a psychedelic or something like that could put things in perspective and allow the fighter to see the why behind the reason they're doing it.
00:23:31.000 And maybe create a new why.
00:23:33.000 Yeah.
00:23:34.000 You're so different.
00:23:35.000 It's funny.
00:23:36.000 I've noticed that about you over the last few years.
00:23:38.000 I don't get to see you that often.
00:23:40.000 And when I get to see you, over the last few years, I'm like, wow, something has changed in Rashad.
00:23:46.000 I hate to use the word spiritual, but you seem like a more spiritual, more peaceful guy.
00:23:52.000 I noticed that.
00:23:53.000 So that's why I was really interested to have this conversation and see what your journey was.
00:23:57.000 Yeah, it's been one hell of a journey, man.
00:24:01.000 I teamed up with some people in Denver.
00:24:04.000 One of my good friends, Dale Jolly out in Denver, he's the one who told me about the medicine, the toad medicine.
00:24:13.000 And after that, we just kind of continue to always link up and we do a bunch of ceremonies together.
00:24:19.000 We do ayahuasca.
00:24:20.000 And just make sure we always have that connection.
00:24:24.000 But it was through working with him, you know, I became, you know, part of this group, Unlimited Sciences.
00:24:33.000 And Unlimited Sciences, what we're doing is, you know, we've been able to, we want to make psilocybin usage because Del Jolly was one of the guys who got, who's on the committee who got it approved for Denver.
00:24:50.000 He was one of the guys who made that possible.
00:24:53.000 Do you know how it works?
00:24:54.000 So are you allowed to possess a certain amount of psilocybin in Denver?
00:24:58.000 Is that how it works?
00:24:59.000 I'm not really too sure exactly how it all works with that, but I think that they're still working out the details about how it's going to be, which you can possess on the legal side.
00:25:11.000 But with Unlimited Sciences, we've been able to We want to take the psilocybin experience where it's one that people can go through for healing and help and get consistent information, consistent data on the full spectrum on how you can use it and the ways it's used.
00:25:35.000 So we've teamed up, and this has never been done before, we teamed up with John Hopkins University, and we're going to be part of their study, and we're going to do like the first real-world study where we go out and, you know, take information from people, you know, people from 18 and up who can speak English can sign up for our study.
00:25:57.000 And, you know, what you do is you go and you fill out a questionnaire and everything is It's HIPAA protected, so no one has to worry about getting in trouble for their usage of psilocybin.
00:26:08.000 But John Hopkins has taken all this information and we're collecting it for him.
00:26:13.000 And what we want to do is we want to be able to give this back to them so that they can see on which way they want to direct their clinical research.
00:26:23.000 And what that can do is, you know, with the unlimited sciences, it comes from this group called Realm of Caring.
00:26:32.000 And Realm of Caring is out in Denver, and Realm of Caring was for medical refugees during the whole, when there was a Medical refugees for cannabis who couldn't use it in their state came to Denver where they were able to use it,
00:26:52.000 but when they first came there, there wasn't any information on how much to use because Heather Jackson and this other girl who started it named Paige They started the realm of caring and it was just them.
00:27:04.000 They were treating their child and their children.
00:27:07.000 They had seizures and epilepsy and stuff like that.
00:27:09.000 So they tried everything in a medical field to help them, but they could not help them with that.
00:27:14.000 So then they went to cannabis and there was only two of them doing it.
00:27:18.000 So they didn't really have much information to go back from.
00:27:20.000 So then they would share information amongst each other and then they would ask other people.
00:27:25.000 And then through networking, they created this huge community of people With data and they started to come with more and more data and then they started working with John Hopkins University and made a protocol and everything else.
00:27:37.000 Now the realm of caring helped thousands of families all over the world just with the information and data they didn't have been able to collect.
00:27:44.000 That's awesome.
00:27:45.000 John Hopkins has been involved in psilocybin research for a while, right?
00:27:49.000 They had something that they did on near-death patients, people that are close to death, and alleviating the fear of passing.
00:27:57.000 Yeah.
00:27:59.000 And that's one thing.
00:28:01.000 They're very interested in diving into the mind aspect and everything.
00:28:05.000 And I think that the real-world study would be good because what it does is it allows them to put their money and their resources into where people are actually using it and the things that are interesting to the people.
00:28:20.000 So, I mean, it's one thing to have it in a clinical setting, but it's another thing to do it on your own and be able to get the results from it.
00:28:27.000 Hopefully to study with John Hopkins University, it definitely changes games and puts things on a level where people can get the healing they need from the mushrooms.
00:28:36.000 Have you read any McKenna stuff?
00:28:39.000 A little bit.
00:28:40.000 I follow McKenna a bit.
00:28:43.000 I listen to him quite a bit.
00:28:45.000 Yeah, fascinating guy.
00:28:47.000 Weird voice, right?
00:28:49.000 Weird voice, but hypnotic almost.
00:28:51.000 Yeah, you can't.
00:28:52.000 I mean, I listen to hours of McKinnon, just his understanding and breakdown of mushrooms.
00:28:58.000 It's crazy.
00:28:58.000 I'm friends with his brother, and his brother is another genius, really fascinating character.
00:29:03.000 He's also an outspoken psychedelic proponent, and he lives up in British Columbia now.
00:29:09.000 And he's a big proponent of one of – Terrence had a theory that Dennis subscribes to called the stoned ape theory.
00:29:18.000 Do you know this theory?
00:29:20.000 Yeah.
00:29:20.000 And this is a really controversial theory but fascinating that they believe that – at least Terrence had this idea that one of the catalysts for human evolution that changed us from – Lower primates to human beings was the consumption of psilocybin and that animals,
00:29:39.000 you know, these pre-human primates would flip over cow patties and experiment by eating grubs and bugs and things they'd find out there and they would also eat the mushrooms that would grow on the cow patties.
00:29:52.000 And the doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years is gigantic mystery.
00:29:58.000 Like, they have no idea what happened.
00:30:01.000 I mean, it's apparently, according to biologists, it's the biggest mystery in the fossil record that the human brain doubled.
00:30:08.000 And not just that any organ would double in size over a period of two million years, but that the organ responsible for the theory of evolution in the first place doubled over two million years.
00:30:19.000 It's really interesting.
00:30:20.000 Yeah.
00:30:20.000 But it coincides with climate change and coincides with these rainforests, and this is all Terence's work, I'm repeating.
00:30:28.000 It coincides with these rainforests receding into grasslands and then these undulates, these cow-like animals that would live on these grasslands and eat the cow and take shits.
00:30:39.000 And then the manure would grow, or the psilocybin, rather, would grow in the manure, and they would follow these cows around and then eat their mushrooms that would grow in their manure.
00:30:49.000 And it also coincides with the earliest civilizations would all worship cattle, like Choctal Hiuk, which is one of the earliest known civilizations.
00:31:00.000 They had these—it was a real cattle-worshipping thing.
00:31:05.000 I don't want to say a cult, but the way their culture would operate.
00:31:10.000 They worship cattle.
00:31:11.000 And some would say, well, that's because they ate them and they used their milk.
00:31:15.000 I'm sure, I'm sure that had something to do with it.
00:31:18.000 But, like, the Hindus don't even eat them.
00:31:20.000 They just worship them.
00:31:21.000 Imagine that?
00:31:22.000 You've got a billion people living in a place, everyone's starving, and they're not eating the cows.
00:31:25.000 They're not eating the most delicious animal on the planet.
00:31:27.000 Well, it's because they grew mushrooms!
00:31:30.000 And the ancient Hindu scripts, like Soma, is one of the main sacraments that they would talk about.
00:31:37.000 No one really understood.
00:31:38.000 To this day, they're not exactly sure what Soma is, but it's some sort of a psychedelic sacrament, and it probably was a combination of many things, but a big one was most likely psilocybin, was a part of that.
00:31:51.000 And that sort of corresponded with their relationship with cows.
00:31:56.000 They had this This worship of cattle.
00:32:00.000 They wouldn't eat them.
00:32:01.000 And the reason is because God came out of their butt.
00:32:04.000 In their eyes, you know, they would make the manure.
00:32:07.000 The mushrooms would grow in the manure.
00:32:09.000 And there's all sorts of mushroom iconography in all of their ancient religious artwork.
00:32:14.000 I mean, I think mushrooms...
00:32:15.000 I know mushrooms have played a big part in our society, in our civilization, in our ancient civilization.
00:32:23.000 For sure.
00:32:23.000 And I don't think it's been properly covered the way that it could be, but it's amazing because the minute you eat a mushroom...
00:32:33.000 At the right dosage, you feel it.
00:32:35.000 You feel the fact that it's like, oh, this is something ancient because there's something that happens when you go to that place where you lose the self.
00:32:48.000 When you lose the self, then there's something that happens that's That's just magical.
00:32:55.000 There really is no way to explain it or dress it up with words.
00:32:58.000 It's just something magical that happens once you reach that level.
00:33:03.000 Yeah, whenever I have these conversations with people, there's two types of people.
00:33:06.000 There's people like you that have had the experiences that go, mm-hmm.
00:33:09.000 And then there's people that have no experience at all that look at you like...
00:33:14.000 Yeah, it's mushrooms.
00:33:15.000 But I feel bad for those people.
00:33:17.000 I do too.
00:33:17.000 Because I know how I used to think, and I would have dismissed it the same way.
00:33:22.000 I would have said, this is the foolish notions of frivolous spiritual people that are just being ridiculous, and they think, oh.
00:33:29.000 Oh, it's all about the mushrooms, man.
00:33:32.000 But it is.
00:33:33.000 If you do it, you'll realize, like, oh, well, if you do any real potent breakthrough psychedelic, any real breakthrough psychedelic experience is going to make you humble.
00:33:44.000 It's going to make you realize, like, oh, there's more to this than everyday consciousness.
00:33:49.000 There's more to this experience, this existence.
00:33:52.000 There's something way bigger.
00:33:53.000 And you only can tap into it through a variety of different methods, whether it's name your psychedelic or name your trance-like state that people can go into.
00:34:04.000 There's a lot of different ways to tap into it, but once you do, you realize this is not...
00:34:09.000 This little thin thing that we're touching right now, this is not everything.
00:34:12.000 Right, and that's the thing about it.
00:34:13.000 It really just cuts through the whole materialism of everything.
00:34:16.000 It really shows that materialism is just a product of consciousness.
00:34:22.000 And sometimes we tend to think that our consciousness is a product of the materialism, but at the end of the day, consciousness is everything.
00:34:31.000 When I did my Toad experience, I almost felt as if like...
00:34:36.000 I'm not really here.
00:34:37.000 And I'm really somewhere else, just projecting my consciousness to here.
00:34:42.000 And it seemed as if, like, when I smoked the toad, the venom severed that connection.
00:34:48.000 And the connection wasn't able to come here on Earth.
00:34:52.000 And I was just really where I really am.
00:34:55.000 That's what it felt like.
00:34:56.000 And then when I came back to my body, I remember feeling like I didn't want to come back.
00:35:01.000 And actually, it was saying, like, please don't go, please don't go.
00:35:06.000 Wow.
00:35:07.000 I felt like I was...
00:35:09.000 I dissolved and I became a part of everything.
00:35:13.000 I always tend to think of life as my own view of experience.
00:35:20.000 It's right here.
00:35:21.000 My life is right here.
00:35:23.000 Right now it's in this room.
00:35:24.000 Later on it'll be at the comedy store.
00:35:26.000 There's places I go.
00:35:27.000 My life is where those places are.
00:35:29.000 But when I had my first 5MAO DMT experience, it felt like, no, no, no.
00:35:36.000 It's all together.
00:35:38.000 You're in the middle of this infinite soup of life.
00:35:42.000 And there's no one spot.
00:35:44.000 That spot is your imagination.
00:35:47.000 It's like the limitations of your biology that we have...
00:35:52.000 Kept from the time that we were small little mammals to the time that we were lower primates to the time that we're human beings.
00:35:58.000 The limit, the biological instincts to survive and to preserve our DNA and to carry that DNA on, all of those instincts are the reason why we're here but also so limiting because they keep your consciousness bottled up in the location that you're at.
00:36:17.000 It keeps your feeling of life Contained to wherever you're at at that moment and staying safe and then keeping people paying attention to you and making sure you got the coolest shit and all the things that seem so silly when you trip.
00:36:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:36:32.000 Absolutely.
00:36:32.000 When I fall away and the feeling of falling away and not being who I think I am, It's almost the most freeing feeling, but at the same time, it's one of the scariest.
00:36:45.000 It's one of the scariest at the same time, but it's necessary, and it's necessary in order to reach a certain point of understanding.
00:36:57.000 When you reach a certain point of understanding of going inside, then you don't need a guru.
00:37:03.000 You don't need anyone to drop insight or knowledge, because all the knowledge and insight...
00:37:09.000 It's there if you go deep enough and you know how to go deep enough, you know, and you understand the fact that, you know, there's this knowingness.
00:37:20.000 And it's hard to explain.
00:37:22.000 Like, it sounds crazy to say, but there's just this knowingness out there and you can tap into it.
00:37:28.000 Yeah, there's something out there for sure.
00:37:30.000 What's interesting to me is some people have a way better grasp of the English language and they're way better at describing things.
00:37:37.000 Mm-hmm.
00:37:37.000 They're way better at putting trips into perspective.
00:37:42.000 Because everyone sucks at it.
00:37:43.000 Even the best people suck at it.
00:37:45.000 I'm terrible at it.
00:37:46.000 I've described it the same way you described it.
00:37:49.000 There's not really words for it.
00:37:51.000 You do your best, but it's so poor.
00:37:56.000 Just the ability that words have to convey the experience, there's no words that are correct.
00:38:03.000 They don't even get in the neighborhood.
00:38:05.000 They wrap around it.
00:38:06.000 They try.
00:38:07.000 And even in a state, I remember being in a state where I was on one of my deepest trips and I'm in the trip and my friend looks over at me and then I wave him over because I want to tell him the secret that I found about consciousness and about existence.
00:38:25.000 But I couldn't tell him because the knowingness is telling me if I tell him, then I'm not going to be able to come back and live.
00:38:32.000 I had to go.
00:38:33.000 I had to leave this earth.
00:38:35.000 That's what it was telling me.
00:38:36.000 So I remember just sitting there just like, man, I want to be able to tell him and be able to convey to him in words what I'm feeling.
00:38:44.000 The only thing that came out of my mouth was, just go sit over there.
00:38:48.000 It'll come to you.
00:38:49.000 Yeah.
00:38:50.000 Because that's what happened to me.
00:38:51.000 Like, I was in his yard, and I just went and walked.
00:38:58.000 And as I was walking, this knowingness told me, like, I was walking barefoot in this grass, and I kept getting my feet poked.
00:39:05.000 And the knowingness told me, it was like, you know, it told me the path to walk.
00:39:08.000 And it said, the reason why I'm stepping on these, getting pricked is because I'm stepping on live grass, stepping on dead spots where there's no...
00:39:15.000 And it just came to me just that clear and I just started doing it and I wasn't getting pricked by any grass no more.
00:39:20.000 Then it told me to sit down and then I sat down and then I just had like the most profound just realizations just hit me like it was like it was like it was coming out of the sun.
00:39:34.000 It sounds crazy to say.
00:39:36.000 I was outside and I went and I was looking at the sun and it was like the sun transitioned to something else.
00:39:43.000 It just became very deep and it had layers of, it was very, very trippy.
00:39:50.000 But during that experience, I remember looking around and seeing everyone that I was with and laughing to myself saying like, they would not believe this, but I'm actually every single one of them.
00:40:01.000 And that was like a thought that I remember.
00:40:06.000 Thinking and feeling like I'm feeling myself right now and it bugged me out.
00:40:13.000 I know.
00:40:14.000 It's deep.
00:40:15.000 It's so deep.
00:40:16.000 Do you still train?
00:40:18.000 All the time.
00:40:18.000 Yeah, I train all the time.
00:40:19.000 You train all the time?
00:40:20.000 Yeah.
00:40:20.000 Do you feel different, like even when you're hitting things?
00:40:25.000 Yeah, but not in a way like I feel like, oh man, I feel bad.
00:40:29.000 I don't feel like that.
00:40:30.000 I just feel like ever since I was able to kind of...
00:40:37.000 Come back after this whole transition happened.
00:40:40.000 I feel like I have a better idea on competing now.
00:40:43.000 As far as my mindset for competing is better than it was before just because my ego is not so attached to it as it was.
00:40:55.000 I'm able to go out and just Give my best in whatever it is.
00:41:00.000 It is.
00:41:01.000 And completely just be like, oh, it's whatever.
00:41:04.000 And it's easy to say now that I'm not competing where it counts for anything.
00:41:08.000 But for me, before, even in practice, it felt like something.
00:41:12.000 If I lost in practice, then it would stick with me for a couple days.
00:41:15.000 I'd be upset about that.
00:41:17.000 I can just go in and just train and you know and it doesn't it doesn't stay with me like I would before.
00:41:24.000 Do you feel like though that to be an elite fighter maybe you need that burning desire to the point where mistakes burn they hurt and I know as a comedian I mean there's a there's a there's a parallel there like where when if I'm really working hard or really concentrating hard anything I say that Is stupid or comes off wrong or I try something that doesn't work.
00:41:50.000 It will fuck with me for days.
00:41:53.000 Just all day long.
00:41:55.000 Even in conversation.
00:41:57.000 I'm having fun with some friends and I say something stupid.
00:42:01.000 It'll sit in my head for a day.
00:42:03.000 I'll wake up in the middle of the night to piss going, why the fuck did you say that?
00:42:06.000 It's the worst!
00:42:08.000 No, you do need that as an athlete, but at the same time...
00:42:11.000 Particularly as a fighter, right?
00:42:13.000 Yeah.
00:42:13.000 Because you have to...
00:42:14.000 I mean, it's so...
00:42:15.000 The difference between a champion, you know more than anybody, between a champion and a good fighter is so close.
00:42:23.000 It's so close.
00:42:24.000 It's so close.
00:42:25.000 It is.
00:42:26.000 And sometimes it's that fucking fire, that anger, that fear, that drive inside of you to be elite, to be the best.
00:42:34.000 And sometimes that comes with every practice you have to win, everything you have to do, every fucking training session.
00:42:42.000 You have to burn it out.
00:42:44.000 If you don't, you feel like you're less than you could be.
00:42:49.000 Yeah, I agree with that.
00:42:50.000 But there's also the other side of that, too, where there's that blissful ignorance.
00:42:56.000 And that blissful ignorance is where you just go out and do something and you do it 100% great all the time just because you enjoy it.
00:43:04.000 And there's not the pressure of, oh, I have to do it a certain kind of way.
00:43:07.000 Like, for instance, when John Jones was first competing.
00:43:13.000 John Jones, he competed so freely because it was just in his nature.
00:43:20.000 He was just so creative and he fought different because he fought from that place of just creativity, that ignorance, that ignorant bliss.
00:43:30.000 He couldn't be beat.
00:43:31.000 He didn't believe he could be beat.
00:43:33.000 And, you know, he would fight that way and he would do some genius stuff in there just because of that, you know?
00:43:38.000 But then when you have those experiences where you've been caught in a fight or you've made some mistakes in there, then you do know better.
00:43:47.000 But then those...
00:43:49.000 Those thoughts, it actually slows you down a bit, too, because you're not fully reacting.
00:43:55.000 You're thinking a hair.
00:43:57.000 Before, it was just kind of like a reaction.
00:43:59.000 Yeah, I talk about his opening fight, the opening sequence of his fight with Shogun.
00:44:03.000 I mean, he's 23 years old, he's fighting for the world title, and he opens up with a flying knee.
00:44:08.000 Who the fuck does that?
00:44:10.000 That was that dumb and young.
00:44:14.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:44:14.000 That's the best way to say it.
00:44:16.000 But at the same time, that blissful ignorance, that's what made, that was his blueprint for so long.
00:44:22.000 And he's turned it into a whole fighting style, just that letting it off, hang out, letting it fly.
00:44:28.000 And that's what worried me.
00:44:31.000 That's why I thought in this fight with Dominic Reyes, it was going to be a closer fight.
00:44:34.000 Because of the fact that Dominic Reyes now had that, what John used to have, that blissful ignorance.
00:44:40.000 He didn't really know how much, you know, how better John was or didn't even care.
00:44:45.000 He was just kind of like, you know what I'm saying?
00:44:47.000 He was so confident in himself, almost in an ignorant, blissful way.
00:44:51.000 But it worked out for him, you know?
00:44:53.000 Well, what's interesting about that fight is, first of all, it's a great argument for five-round championship fights.
00:44:58.000 Because for the first three rounds, Dominic Reyes was winning.
00:45:01.000 Yeah.
00:45:02.000 The question is whether he won the third round.
00:45:05.000 That's the one I believe that's up for grabs.
00:45:08.000 Most people that I've talked to think John won the last two clearly.
00:45:14.000 Most people.
00:45:15.000 Most people that I've talked to that are experts, most people, few disagree, believe that Dominic Reyes won the first three.
00:45:23.000 And the third round is the one that seems to be, you go, well, Dominic scored more, but it was close enough where you could see someone giving it to John, particularly since John was pressing the action.
00:45:34.000 John was pushing forward.
00:45:36.000 Maybe you give it to John, but they thought Dominic won it.
00:45:38.000 But they said if there's a disputable round, it is that third round.
00:45:42.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:45:43.000 But one fucking judge gave John four rounds to one.
00:45:47.000 That's insane.
00:45:48.000 This is the same judge that when...
00:45:52.000 I believe Luke Thomas is talking about this.
00:45:55.000 I'm sorry if I'm wrong because I'm not saying the judge's name because I'm not sure if I'm correct.
00:45:58.000 But I believe it's the same judge that...
00:46:01.000 Trevin Giles, who fought James Krause.
00:46:06.000 Giles and Krause was an amazing fight.
00:46:08.000 Giles wound up winning the decision, but the first round, Krause had his back for four minutes, and the judge gave that round to Giles, which is insane.
00:46:21.000 I mean, for four minutes, Krause had his back.
00:46:24.000 The guy was fighting off chokes.
00:46:26.000 Krause was...
00:46:28.000 Real close to submitting him a couple times during those four minutes.
00:46:31.000 And the judge, the same judge who gave four rounds to John Jones, gave that first round to Giles, where there was a dude on his back for four fucking minutes!
00:46:40.000 Most of the round.
00:46:42.000 And maybe even a fucking more egregious fight was Andre Ewell versus Jonathan Martinez.
00:46:53.000 That fight was fucking crazy.
00:46:57.000 That fight was crazy.
00:46:58.000 That was the most crazy one.
00:46:59.000 Martinez won that fight.
00:47:01.000 Martinez won that fight.
00:47:03.000 Ewell broke his arm, I think.
00:47:05.000 I'm not sure if it's a broken arm, but he had a significant injury to his right hand early in the fight.
00:47:10.000 Somewhere in between either the first or the second round.
00:47:13.000 Not sure, but he really couldn't throw a right hand.
00:47:14.000 And it was kind of hanging.
00:47:16.000 You could kind of see it was hanging.
00:47:17.000 And Martinez put in work.
00:47:18.000 It was an amazing performance by him.
00:47:20.000 And he got fucked over, man.
00:47:22.000 Real bad.
00:47:22.000 It was bad decision-making.
00:47:24.000 There was a bunch of bad fights.
00:47:26.000 There was a bunch of bad decisions.
00:47:28.000 It wasn't just one.
00:47:29.000 There was like four or five on a card of, what, twelve fights?
00:47:33.000 Eleven, twelve fights?
00:47:34.000 I forget how many it was from the opening prelims.
00:47:37.000 There was bad decisions.
00:47:39.000 Just almost like people who don't know what they're seeing.
00:47:42.000 Yeah, and that's crazy too, especially when we reach the point that we have in mixed martial arts.
00:47:47.000 I think that we've turned a corner in that, meaning the fact that there's so much out there, so much knowledge out there in the sport and everything else like that.
00:47:57.000 And if you're going to be judging it, you've got to at least know when somebody is winning a round.
00:48:02.000 I mean...
00:48:03.000 You know, there's aspects of John's game that was, you know, scored some points.
00:48:07.000 You know, he was always moving forward with the action.
00:48:10.000 But, you know, even when he was moving forward with the action, he wasn't terribly too offensive.
00:48:15.000 He would come with his legs, but, you know, a lot of times he would allow Dominic to kind of be the first one initiating and then moving off.
00:48:24.000 And sometimes it seemed like he was just kind of chasing him.
00:48:27.000 But, you know, I think that it was that third round.
00:48:33.000 That third round was that hard round to score.
00:48:36.000 But, you know, I think that Dom had the edge, but if you're going to be the champ, then you got to be the champ.
00:48:46.000 And I don't think he did that.
00:48:47.000 Jon Jones impressed me so much with the shots that he was able to take, but more or less the mindset that Jon had.
00:48:54.000 That mindset that Jon had in those championship rounds, to me, that showed that this guy is...
00:49:02.000 He is a total package, and when it comes to fighting, just mentally speaking, he's somebody who I thought was frustrated, and working through his own frustration in the fight is difficult.
00:49:18.000 He didn't succumb to his own frustration, and he just kept that pressure going.
00:49:22.000 He took some big shots from a heavy hitter, but Dominic Reyes is a problem for anybody.
00:49:27.000 He's a problem.
00:49:28.000 He's a real problem, especially now that he's got that rub.
00:49:31.000 He touched greatness with John, who's the greatest ever.
00:49:35.000 I feel like those last two rounds should count more.
00:49:38.000 This is my personal opinion.
00:49:39.000 But John Cavanaugh said something on his Twitter page, I believe it was John Cavanaugh, and it reflects exactly how I feel.
00:49:45.000 That if this fight was going to go on another five rounds, it's pretty fucking clear to me who's going to win.
00:49:51.000 This is to the death, Jon Jones is going to win that fight.
00:49:54.000 If it's to the death, there's no doubt about it in my mind that Jon Jones is eventually going to get him.
00:49:59.000 Those last two rounds, Dominic Reyes was hurting.
00:50:01.000 You could see him taking big, deep breaths and trying to move, and his arms were labored, and Jon just kept pressing, kept pressing, kept kicking him, kept punching him, kept trying for the takedown.
00:50:12.000 And that should mean more.
00:50:14.000 It should mean more towards the end of the fight.
00:50:16.000 At the end of the fight, if you win a decision, but you just got your ass kicked for the last four minutes, that seems crazy to me that you won the fight.
00:50:23.000 Yeah.
00:50:24.000 Because, I mean, I know this is a dumb way to think about it, but if we were in a schoolyard, right?
00:50:29.000 We were in high school, and some dude and another dude fought, the dude who's getting the shit beat out of them at the end of the fight is the guy who lost.
00:50:38.000 When the teachers come and they pull you off that guy, that's who won.
00:50:42.000 That's who won a fight.
00:50:42.000 That's who won.
00:50:43.000 And I know that you can't score a professional sport the way you look, but it is the rarest of rare professional sports because it's the sport of fighting.
00:50:53.000 And in fighting, when you're getting your ass kicked, You're supposed to lose.
00:51:00.000 If you're getting your ass kicked, you lost.
00:51:02.000 And if you're kicking the guy's ass, you win.
00:51:04.000 Sounds crazy, but at the end of that fight, Jon Jones was kicking Dominic Ray's ass.
00:51:09.000 He was chasing him down.
00:51:11.000 Dominic was taking some big deep breaths.
00:51:12.000 He was firing back.
00:51:13.000 He fired back very well in the fourth round.
00:51:16.000 But Jon absorbed.
00:51:17.000 Jon has a fucking hell of a chin, too.
00:51:19.000 Oh, my gosh.
00:51:19.000 Hell of a chin.
00:51:20.000 Oh, my gosh.
00:51:21.000 A hell of a chin.
00:51:23.000 He's something special because of everything.
00:51:27.000 He's something special because of his physical attributes.
00:51:30.000 He's very tall and long.
00:51:31.000 He's very strong.
00:51:32.000 It's not just his skill.
00:51:33.000 He's got great wrestling.
00:51:34.000 He's got great striking.
00:51:36.000 It is his mind, too.
00:51:38.000 It's all those things.
00:51:40.000 It's his ability to press forward.
00:51:43.000 It's ability to break people.
00:51:45.000 It's ability to stay on top if you have that champion's mindset.
00:51:48.000 And to know that he's fought the majority of his career as a world champion, which is fucking crazy.
00:51:56.000 I know.
00:51:56.000 I mean, almost a decade as the greatest in the world, chasing everybody that he's fought.
00:52:03.000 Every single fighter that he's fought.
00:52:05.000 You look at them, they're all guys like you, guys like Machida, world champions, Rampage, world champions, over and over and over again.
00:52:14.000 You go through the list of them.
00:52:16.000 Just all these killers.
00:52:18.000 There's this killer after killer...
00:52:20.000 Gustafson, you know, I mean, you just keep going through his entire career.
00:52:25.000 DC twice.
00:52:27.000 Stopped him in the second fight.
00:52:28.000 He's a fucking assassin.
00:52:30.000 And the most impressive thing about it for me is the fact that, you know, on a physical scale, he's phenomenal.
00:52:36.000 But just mentally speaking, to be able to go through everything that he's gone through, you know, the ups and downs and what that does to your mind.
00:52:45.000 Yes.
00:52:46.000 You know, what that does to your mind and just...
00:52:49.000 Being able to put that to a side or be able to use it in order to go out and still perform as if he hasn't missed a beat.
00:52:57.000 That is hard because it gets to the point, you know, you get with anything in life.
00:53:04.000 You get tired of the monotony of it.
00:53:05.000 You get jaded by it.
00:53:07.000 And he hasn't been jaded by it and he still goes out there and performs like that.
00:53:11.000 That's impressive.
00:53:12.000 I think he needed someone like Dominic to get that fear going too.
00:53:16.000 I think he knew Dominic Reyes physically is a talented guy.
00:53:20.000 He's a great athlete.
00:53:21.000 He has tremendous footwork.
00:53:23.000 His ability to change angles and then fire back is insane.
00:53:26.000 It's so good.
00:53:27.000 You saw it in the OSP fight where he knocked him out with like a couple seconds to go.
00:53:32.000 You see it in a lot.
00:53:33.000 His Jared Cannoneer fight.
00:53:34.000 He could step back and fire.
00:53:36.000 Fire uppercut.
00:53:37.000 Step back and fire that straight left.
00:53:39.000 His ability to change direction is amazing.
00:53:42.000 And I think a lot of that could be attributed to his football, baseball, like footwork movement, his ability to explode.
00:53:50.000 All that stuff that he did in other sports, I think directly translates to his ability to move really well inside the octagon.
00:53:57.000 And then on top of it, he's gigantic.
00:53:58.000 He's the same size as John, which is very unusual for John to face someone that's his height.
00:54:04.000 And he's really fucking strong too.
00:54:06.000 Now that was the intangible that I think that John didn't expect.
00:54:10.000 He didn't expect for him to be as strong as he was.
00:54:13.000 When he's able to get back up every time?
00:54:14.000 Yeah, when he get up like he wasn't even on him.
00:54:17.000 His legs are fucking huge.
00:54:20.000 You look at He's got tremendous power.
00:54:24.000 Both with his punches, but also with his ability to move, man.
00:54:28.000 He was throwing great kicks.
00:54:29.000 He was chopping at John's legs.
00:54:31.000 Out of any fight in John's future, I want to see a rematch.
00:54:36.000 I really want to see what Dominic Reyes looks like now with this rub, understanding how close he was, and then the amount of conditioning that he's going to have to put himself through to be able to do that again in five rounds.
00:54:49.000 And it's not like either guy got Fucked up in that fight where they're going to be severely damaged.
00:54:55.000 It's not like one of those crazy wars where, like, Adesanya-Kelvin Gastelum, at the end of that fight, I was like, oh my god, you know, I hope Kelvin takes some time off after that one.
00:55:04.000 That was chaos, just wildness.
00:55:06.000 It wasn't like that.
00:55:07.000 It was a grueling, difficult, hard fight, but it wasn't a fight where there was so much damage that both Jon and Dominic needed to take a long time off.
00:55:17.000 I feel like you could make that fight in eight months.
00:55:19.000 Absolutely.
00:55:20.000 And that would be the fight to make.
00:55:21.000 That's a crazy rematch.
00:55:24.000 And the thing about it was, surprisingly to see, their faces weren't beat up at all.
00:55:29.000 And I'm like, these dudes were landing some shots on each other.
00:55:32.000 And their face was not even...
00:55:33.000 I thought for sure John's lip would be all swollen like it was when he fought Augustus.
00:55:39.000 Yeah.
00:55:39.000 He took those shots well, man.
00:55:42.000 It's amazing.
00:55:43.000 It's amazing.
00:55:44.000 But I think that this is exactly what John needed in that light heavyweight weight class because it was getting kind of stagnant, and I think it needed some time to mature.
00:55:53.000 But I think Dominic Ray has just said, you better stay here for a little bit.
00:55:58.000 And here's another guy, Corey Anderson.
00:56:00.000 Oh, yes.
00:56:00.000 Corey Anderson is somebody.
00:56:02.000 That's the dark horse I've been telling everybody.
00:56:04.000 Listen, that's the dark horse.
00:56:05.000 The way he knocked out Johnny Walker, and he's angry.
00:56:08.000 He's angry.
00:56:09.000 He's angry.
00:56:10.000 And that's something you've never seen, Corey.
00:56:11.000 Yes.
00:56:11.000 You've never seen that before.
00:56:12.000 After that fight, he was letting everybody know, you fuckers have been slipping.
00:56:16.000 You've been sleeping on me.
00:56:17.000 You guys have been pretending that I don't exist.
00:56:20.000 I'm out here beating the best in the world.
00:56:22.000 If he fights Jon Jones, I think that's when Jon better be like, all right, He better be so ready.
00:56:28.000 He doesn't have a chip.
00:56:29.000 He's got logs on his shoulder.
00:56:31.000 I know.
00:56:32.000 He's angry.
00:56:33.000 He's pissed.
00:56:33.000 He's pissed off.
00:56:34.000 After that Johnny Walker fight, he was so out of character.
00:56:36.000 He's screaming and yelling.
00:56:38.000 He was angry after he won.
00:56:41.000 He knocked him out in the first round, and then he's bad.
00:56:45.000 The years of disrespect, though.
00:56:47.000 And that's how he trained, though.
00:56:48.000 He always trained with that mindset, like, oh, they don't respect me.
00:56:51.000 That's why he worked so hard.
00:56:54.000 Yeah, his endurance is insane.
00:56:55.000 His pace is insane.
00:56:57.000 Yeah, training alongside those guys in Jersey was probably one of the best experiences of my career.
00:57:03.000 Training with Mark Henry was mind-blowing.
00:57:05.000 You were telling me about this.
00:57:07.000 You and I had this long conversation about that.
00:57:09.000 Tell me what it's like to work with that guy.
00:57:12.000 Mark Henry is a genius.
00:57:14.000 You know, what he does is he breaks down the game like no one I've ever trained with before.
00:57:20.000 So for every combination that we throw, every punch is all accounted for with a code.
00:57:25.000 And that code is specific to you and to what's important in your life and the way you value.
00:57:33.000 So he sits and he talks to you about, you know, your family and whatnot.
00:57:36.000 And then, you know, he'll make these codes up.
00:57:38.000 And these codes would just be like for a combination to be I say, Jab, Cross, Hook.
00:57:44.000 You know, then he'll say, that's Nia.
00:57:46.000 That's my daughter's name.
00:57:47.000 And then he'll make a whole system of codes with just names.
00:57:51.000 And then when you're sparring, he'll call out the name.
00:57:55.000 And you just got to know what that technique goes to.
00:57:58.000 Wow.
00:57:58.000 There's a bunch of different techniques for different colors, for different movement.
00:58:03.000 And, you know, he can have, he just says it.
00:58:06.000 And it's like he's, like when I watch him go with Frankie, because Frankie has a system down the best.
00:58:11.000 It's like he's controlling Frankie like a game.
00:58:17.000 Like an Xbox controller.
00:58:19.000 Yeah, he's just saying these commands and Frankie hears them and then he goes off.
00:58:24.000 Sometimes if I'm going...
00:58:27.000 And I don't see it.
00:58:28.000 He'll say something and I don't see it.
00:58:29.000 I'll nod it off and then he'll say another one.
00:58:33.000 But if he says it, then most of the time I just do it because he sees it.
00:58:38.000 Right.
00:58:39.000 That's crazy to have that kind of confidence in another person.
00:58:42.000 Well, that's the part of the training that you learn.
00:58:46.000 And then...
00:58:49.000 The good side to that is that it makes it easier for when you're just out there fighting.
00:58:55.000 Sometimes it can be difficult if you are too dependent on it and you just kind of lose the ability to create yourself, you know?
00:59:03.000 But for the most part, he does such a good job of breaking it down that it's pretty easy, but it is a very technical system to learn.
00:59:15.000 And anybody who gets a chance to work with Mark Henry, I suggest you do it.
00:59:19.000 And here's another thing.
00:59:20.000 Mark Henry is one of those guys.
00:59:21.000 I stayed at his house when I first went to stay with him.
00:59:25.000 And he doesn't sleep.
00:59:27.000 He'll stay up to like 2, 3 o'clock in the morning watching film.
00:59:30.000 And then he'll go to sleep for a couple hours and he'll wake up at like 7 in the morning to go do his first pizza shop because he owns a pizza shop.
00:59:40.000 And he has this crazy work schedule, but he loves fighting.
00:59:44.000 It's so weird that a guy runs a successful pizza business and he's also one of the best trainers in the world.
00:59:49.000 It's so strange!
00:59:50.000 And he makes a killing dirt with his pizza shop.
00:59:52.000 He kills it.
00:59:53.000 I heard his basement gym is amazing.
00:59:54.000 Oh, it is amazing.
00:59:56.000 His basement gym is where all the magic happens, man.
00:59:59.000 He has all the codes written out.
01:00:01.000 He'll torture you in that basement.
01:00:03.000 He'll torture you.
01:00:04.000 He'll get your mindset sharp as hell, but he'll torture you in that basement.
01:00:09.000 Well, it's such a diverse group of fighters, right?
01:00:12.000 Zabit comes down there.
01:00:13.000 Marlon Morais.
01:00:15.000 He had so many interesting guys.
01:00:17.000 Edson Barboza.
01:00:18.000 So many interesting guys had gone through that gym.
01:00:20.000 It's so crazy.
01:00:22.000 When I first...
01:00:23.000 I was standing there and I got to train with Zabit a little bit and got to live with Zabit and the Russian Dagestan fighters.
01:00:29.000 So it was a pretty cool experience because you kind of get to know their culture and just get a different respect for it.
01:00:37.000 And those guys are just...
01:00:39.000 Hard work of those dagestanding guys.
01:00:41.000 They're so hard.
01:00:42.000 They work hard.
01:00:43.000 They pray hard.
01:00:44.000 They just are very, very focused individuals.
01:00:48.000 And you watch them.
01:00:49.000 You're like, oh, okay.
01:00:50.000 Even now, I'm like, you know what?
01:00:52.000 Maybe I need to get a little bit more serious about my thing.
01:00:55.000 That's where the success comes from.
01:00:58.000 That's it.
01:00:58.000 Think about how many great fighters come out of that region.
01:01:01.000 It's really extraordinary.
01:01:03.000 Yeah, and these guys are phenomenal.
01:01:05.000 Like, I watch them after training, and these guys do this, like, it's like a Randori type of sparring afterwards, and they just do, like, jumping off the walls, all these kind of, like, these acrobatic crazy moves that you don't think will ever work, and you see them like, oh, my God, where do you get that from?
01:01:24.000 They practice it all the time, and they just do all these kind of crazy moves at the end of training.
01:01:30.000 At the end of training?
01:01:31.000 At the end of training.
01:01:32.000 So they're done with all the real work.
01:01:33.000 Let's just fuck around and see if we get creative.
01:01:35.000 Yeah, they get creative and they just start doing all kinds of stuff.
01:01:39.000 And they throw real moves in the air.
01:01:41.000 But they drill everything.
01:01:43.000 And Zabit, that dude is probably one of the best guys I've ever seen in training.
01:01:49.000 Just martial arts-wise.
01:01:52.000 This guy, he jumps off the cage and do all kinds of...
01:01:56.000 Acrobats and come down doing all kinds of ground acrobats and he just makes it look so effortless and easy.
01:02:03.000 It's crazy.
01:02:04.000 He is really good.
01:02:06.000 He's really good with his mixture of traditional martial arts techniques, you know, because he has that kung fu background.
01:02:12.000 So he throws a lot of like round kicks and spinning kicks and all that kind of crazy shit.
01:02:17.000 But then he'll hit you with like some judo shit, a lot of tosses and trips.
01:02:21.000 Yeah, and he's got great submissions to I mean he's got great wrestling.
01:02:25.000 He's got great boxing I mean, he's a weird combination of a bunch of different styles and he's tall to not that tall length is really Something that helps him out to this Frankie Edgar whenever he goes on him He's like man.
01:02:38.000 I feel like I can get him down But then I look down and then his feet are still touching the ground.
01:02:42.000 I swear I have them up - And his feet are still touching.
01:02:45.000 He's so tall for 145. Yeah, he's so tall for 145. I'll tell you what, though.
01:02:48.000 He had a hard time in his last fight with Calvin Cater.
01:02:51.000 That dude is fucking dangerous.
01:02:54.000 Well, Cater's a dog, though.
01:02:55.000 He's a dog.
01:02:56.000 He's a dog.
01:02:56.000 He's the dark horse at 45, in my opinion, because he was beating Zabit in that last round.
01:03:01.000 And it was rough.
01:03:02.000 Zabit was trying to just get the fuck away from him.
01:03:04.000 And he just stays on him.
01:03:06.000 And I think he has the best boxing in that division.
01:03:08.000 And he's also huge for 45. Yeah.
01:03:11.000 You stand next to him, you're like, how the fuck are you weighing 145?
01:03:14.000 He looks like he's a 160. He doesn't look anything like 145. I know.
01:03:19.000 It seemed like in that fight, Cater kind of realized towards the end, like, wait a minute, I can beat this dude, you know?
01:03:24.000 And that happens sometimes.
01:03:25.000 When you go against a guy who has a bunch of different tricks, You find yourself putting yourself in his trick bag just by being aware of all the things that he can do.
01:03:35.000 You find yourself like, oh, he's going to set that up.
01:03:37.000 Oh, he's going to set that up.
01:03:38.000 And by you being too watchful of what he's doing, you're shutting your own game down.
01:03:42.000 And it seemed like Cater just threw caution to the wind at third round.
01:03:45.000 He was like, you know what?
01:03:45.000 I'm going to just go out and just make it happen.
01:03:47.000 And then when he did that, he found his opportunities.
01:03:49.000 I think also the first two rounds were really fast-paced.
01:03:52.000 And I think in the third round, Cater was the one who was in better condition.
01:03:55.000 He was the one who was pressing the pace in the third round.
01:03:57.000 And he was also landing body shots.
01:03:59.000 Like some nasty body shots that were adding up.
01:04:03.000 He's a fascinating guy, Calvin Cater.
01:04:06.000 I'm really interested to see him.
01:04:08.000 He's fighting Jeremy Stevens next.
01:04:10.000 Which should be fucking chaos.
01:04:12.000 Because Jeremy Stevens is another savage.
01:04:14.000 He only fights one way.
01:04:16.000 And that's, you know, kill or be killed.
01:04:19.000 See, I feel like guys like that don't even need to win.
01:04:21.000 They just need to go out there and just fight.
01:04:23.000 Because his fighting is so good.
01:04:25.000 You just want to see him go out there and just fight, man.
01:04:28.000 He's had so many oh shit moments in his career.
01:04:31.000 Like Dennis Bermudez, he hit someone with that flying knee up against a cage.
01:04:35.000 Josh Emmett, the KO of Josh Emmett.
01:04:37.000 He fucks people up, man.
01:04:39.000 He does.
01:04:39.000 And he's got ridiculous power too.
01:04:41.000 And with Calvin's boxing and Jeremy's savagery, the two of them together, and Jeremy has ridiculous power, the two of them together, that's going to be amazing.
01:04:49.000 And then they have Zabit.
01:04:51.000 Zabit is now going to fight Ortega.
01:04:53.000 Brian Ortega's comeback fight is going to be Zabit.
01:04:56.000 And that's a tough fight to come back to.
01:04:58.000 Ortega's been out, injured a bunch, hasn't fought since he lost to Max.
01:05:03.000 He's had a bunch of, like, real problematic injuries that he can't get over.
01:05:07.000 And then finally he's healthy now, he's going through training.
01:05:10.000 And, you know, tall order though, to jump right back in the deep end of the pool with a guy like Zabit.
01:05:15.000 But you know what, though?
01:05:16.000 Sometimes it is a tall order, but sometimes when you just came from a big fight, that's the kind of fight it's easier to get up for.
01:05:25.000 He just came from challenging for the title, right?
01:05:29.000 It'd be hard for him to take too far of a step down in competition because then it's going to be hard to get himself up for it.
01:05:35.000 But if he's taking a step kind of like in an upward motion, then it's like, okay, I can get up for this fight, and then he can train for it, you know?
01:05:44.000 Yeah, because Zabit is, I don't know what the official ranking is.
01:05:47.000 In my book, he's two or three, right?
01:05:49.000 He's right there.
01:05:50.000 He's right at the top of the heap.
01:05:51.000 In my book, I mean, there's Volkanovski.
01:05:53.000 He's the champ.
01:05:54.000 There's Max Holloway.
01:05:55.000 They have to fight again.
01:05:55.000 They have to.
01:05:56.000 They're going to fight again.
01:05:57.000 And then after that, it's basically Zabit and Cater.
01:06:01.000 That's how I look at it.
01:06:03.000 And then a bunch of other guys.
01:06:04.000 Now that Aldo's down to 235, which is real interesting because Aldo is going to fight Triple C. He's going to fight Cejudo.
01:06:13.000 That's interesting.
01:06:14.000 Yes, for the title.
01:06:15.000 That is interesting.
01:06:16.000 Very interesting.
01:06:17.000 I thought Aldo looked the best that he's looked in a long time at 135. Yeah, he looked amazing.
01:06:22.000 He looked a bit like the Aldo, minus the kicks.
01:06:25.000 Yes.
01:06:25.000 Minus the kicks.
01:06:26.000 I wonder why he doesn't throw so many kicks anymore.
01:06:28.000 I don't know, man.
01:06:29.000 Do you think he has injuries or something?
01:06:30.000 I think he might have an injury.
01:06:31.000 I think he don't want to take a chance of hurting something and then having to fight through it, fighting compromised.
01:06:38.000 But it's crazy because his kicks were just such a devastating weapon.
01:06:41.000 I mean, he'll only need like two or three of them and just change the whole complexion of the fight.
01:06:45.000 One.
01:06:46.000 Like when he fought Uriah.
01:06:48.000 Yeah.
01:06:49.000 But imagine that power of leg kick to the lower calf.
01:06:54.000 Oh my gosh.
01:06:56.000 Yeah, maybe it's a knee thing.
01:06:57.000 Maybe he can't throw those kicks because his knees are fucked up.
01:07:00.000 I don't know.
01:07:01.000 I'd like to know.
01:07:02.000 Because that was one of his primary weapons.
01:07:04.000 But still, even without that, I felt like he beat Marais.
01:07:07.000 I felt like that was a bad decision.
01:07:09.000 But he's fighting Marais, who's easily one of the best 35ers on Earth.
01:07:15.000 Marais is so good, man.
01:07:17.000 That left high switch kick that he has is a thing of beauty.
01:07:20.000 The way he whips it, it's like a whip.
01:07:23.000 It's effortless.
01:07:24.000 It just goes to your head.
01:07:25.000 Yeah, Marlon is pretty sick, man.
01:07:27.000 He's beautiful.
01:07:28.000 Is this Aldo throwing some kicks?
01:07:30.000 Oh, okay.
01:07:31.000 Four days ago.
01:07:32.000 Oh!
01:07:32.000 Oh, okay.
01:07:33.000 It's practice, but...
01:07:35.000 Hmm, looks normal.
01:07:38.000 Looks normal.
01:07:39.000 It looks normal.
01:07:40.000 I don't see any problems.
01:07:42.000 Except the sound's all fucked up.
01:07:44.000 See, it's different, though.
01:07:45.000 It's different when you've got to crack somebody's leg.
01:07:49.000 I think, honestly, when it comes to the state of mixed martial arts, I think that once a lot of these fighters start to We were speaking about it earlier.
01:08:04.000 We were in the dark ages when it came to training and that transition of how to become more professional with your training.
01:08:11.000 I think nowadays fighters are starting to understand that more with the Performance Institute.
01:08:17.000 It's helping to educate these fighters a lot more on what proper training should be and what it truly could encompass.
01:08:25.000 And now there's more professionalism added to martial arts, but there's still an aspect that needs to be covering and that's on the equipment side.
01:08:36.000 The company that I work with, Onyx, Have you heard of Onyx before?
01:08:40.000 Yeah, I have a pair of the gloves.
01:08:42.000 Okay.
01:08:42.000 Excellent.
01:08:43.000 Excellent.
01:08:44.000 Very, very good.
01:08:45.000 So we have a whole line, and the line that we have with Onyx, it's really the first MMA brand, like an MMA company that's made for all the way we move in MMA, you know, everything that happens in MMA,
01:09:00.000 because now the equipment that we use now, we borrow it from kickboxing or boxing, and there's that gap of just efficiency when it comes to manufacturing Yeah, Trevor Whitman sent them to me.
01:09:27.000 Did he design them?
01:09:29.000 Yeah, so Trevor's a genius.
01:09:32.000 He's another genius.
01:09:33.000 Oh my gosh, an absolute genius.
01:09:34.000 So he started, so what happened is when we were trained, if anything happened to our equipment, we would just give it to Trevor and Trevor would go and he would tweak it and he would make some adjustments.
01:09:45.000 So then Trevor's like, man, the more he started to do that, the more he started to realize there's a huge gap.
01:09:52.000 The equipment that we're using is not efficient.
01:09:55.000 Some gloves that should be 16 ounces are actually 11 ounces.
01:10:00.000 And there's no integrity when it comes to...
01:10:03.000 So Trevor did a lot of research and he was like, man, there really hasn't been any improving on equipment since the thumb was put on the boxing glove.
01:10:13.000 And that's pretty much it.
01:10:16.000 So Trevor went and he learned how to sew.
01:10:19.000 He learned how to do everything.
01:10:20.000 And he was in his basement just making this equipment.
01:10:24.000 He's made the X Factor glove you have.
01:10:29.000 Look at him there.
01:10:30.000 Trevor Whitman sewing.
01:10:32.000 And he's good at it.
01:10:34.000 At first, I didn't realize how in-depth it was until I went to his basement and seen the little shop that he had, but it's pretty high-tech.
01:10:41.000 So we have the glove, the X-Factor glove, but we have a knee brace and we have a headgear, too.
01:10:48.000 What's up with the knee brace?
01:10:50.000 Not the knee brace.
01:10:51.000 It's the...
01:10:51.000 knee sleeve it's like it's like a niece it's a it's a shin guard but it slides into a knee brace you can slide you can slide it's like a knee brace at the same time as well as an ankle brace it secures a whole like whole leg pretty much and it's it feels like you have nothing on and you can kick with like anything and it feels feel it doesn't feel like it feels amazing and he has a really really thin headgear and uh i want to show you these gloves i
01:11:21.000 I brought some gloves to show you.
01:11:25.000 So these gloves right here are what we're going to be doing for the competition gloves.
01:11:34.000 The competition and the training gloves, the 7-ounce training gloves.
01:11:38.000 So pretty much what these are.
01:11:41.000 So this one is the...
01:11:45.000 So has he developed a different glove for MMA for competition as well?
01:11:49.000 Has the UFC seen these?
01:11:51.000 Because they need to make some adjustments.
01:11:54.000 We're talking with the UFC, but these are the ones.
01:11:57.000 So they're curved.
01:11:57.000 I like how it's curved.
01:11:59.000 So it sets up that you're in a curved position early on.
01:12:04.000 Because, as you know, when you get the gloves now, they're like a cardboard.
01:12:07.000 They want to open your hand, almost.
01:12:09.000 Yeah, they always want to open your hands.
01:12:10.000 But this allows your hands to stay in a natural fist-locked position, and you don't got to worry about that.
01:12:18.000 Need some help getting it on?
01:12:19.000 Yeah, big hands.
01:12:24.000 Oh, yeah.
01:12:25.000 Okay, so it's curved right away.
01:12:26.000 Yeah, curved right away.
01:12:28.000 That's way better.
01:12:30.000 Yeah, like the old pride gloves.
01:12:32.000 Yeah.
01:12:33.000 Yeah.
01:12:33.000 Good padding too.
01:12:34.000 So it's...
01:12:36.000 I like them.
01:12:40.000 A lot.
01:12:42.000 These are definitely better than the ones UFC is using right now.
01:12:46.000 So if you see the X-strapping system in there, that also goes in there.
01:12:51.000 So that way it makes it so that your hand, you don't get the boxing break on your hand.
01:12:58.000 It keeps everything, all the muscles, all the ligaments and bones in place.
01:13:03.000 So that way when you're punching, everything is...
01:13:06.000 Is in form.
01:13:07.000 So this is...
01:13:07.000 It says grappling glove, fight glove.
01:13:09.000 Yes, grappling glove and fight glove.
01:13:10.000 So these ones were the ones at the factory and I had to hurry up and get these out just so I can...
01:13:14.000 I wanted to show you these.
01:13:15.000 So this one is...
01:13:16.000 This one is...
01:13:21.000 It's going to be like the training one, but we're going to put a different head on the front of it.
01:13:29.000 What's going to be different about it?
01:13:31.000 It's going to be just the top is going to be different, a little bit more so you can punch with...
01:13:36.000 Oh, hit it with the side?
01:13:37.000 Hit it with the side.
01:13:38.000 It'll be a little bit like...
01:13:40.000 This has got some side panning.
01:13:41.000 Yeah, but it'll be a side pad on like this a little bit more, you know?
01:13:45.000 So it's going to be a bit bigger, so that way you can hit like that and train.
01:13:50.000 Like casting punches like those.
01:13:52.000 Right.
01:13:54.000 I like these a lot.
01:13:56.000 I like these a lot.
01:13:59.000 Trevor's whole thing, man, is all about making it so that fighters can do what they enjoy doing a lot longer and be healthy about it.
01:14:09.000 Trevor's a G when it comes to adjusting and making what he needs to for the fighters so they can continue to do what they want to do.
01:14:21.000 He's made headgears for people to...
01:14:23.000 Because one of these fighters had a broken nose and he made a headgear.
01:14:28.000 And the headgear that he made with this guy, it was sick.
01:14:31.000 How does this work?
01:14:32.000 This is weird because it's like both sides are male.
01:14:35.000 Let's see here.
01:14:36.000 Oh yeah, so this is...
01:14:38.000 It goes on the inside?
01:14:42.000 It goes on the inside.
01:14:42.000 How does that work?
01:14:43.000 Yeah, it goes on the inside.
01:14:44.000 I gotta see...
01:14:45.000 Okay.
01:14:46.000 Probably some weird shit.
01:14:47.000 You gotta talk to Trevor about it.
01:14:49.000 Let me see.
01:14:50.000 Or maybe it goes this way first.
01:14:51.000 Oh, I bet that's exactly what it is.
01:14:53.000 I bet it goes this way first.
01:14:55.000 Yeah, that's exactly how it goes like that.
01:14:58.000 Oh, that is exactly what it is.
01:14:59.000 Yeah, so you can pull the strap on it.
01:15:01.000 Yeah, and then the strap goes over.
01:15:02.000 Okay, I see.
01:15:03.000 And the strap goes over the top.
01:15:07.000 These are great, man.
01:15:08.000 Well, there's definitely room for improvement, the current state of MMA gloves, the ones that UFC uses.
01:15:14.000 They're better than the original ones that they had a few years back.
01:15:17.000 You know, they improved them maybe eight or nine years ago or whatever it was.
01:15:22.000 But still, those are better.
01:15:24.000 Well, see, I mean, and that's where we are at Onyx, you know.
01:15:27.000 We just want to be able to get a product out there for the athletes and that they can use, but it protects them because a lot of the injuries, like 75% of them happen in training.
01:15:37.000 Sure.
01:15:38.000 You know, and if we can kind of cut that number down, then they can have a lot more of these fighters making these dates.
01:15:43.000 Yeah.
01:15:43.000 And for the most part, for these fighters...
01:15:46.000 You can actually, you know, you can have gear that protects you and you don't got to suffer these long injuries like these ACLs.
01:15:53.000 Right.
01:15:54.000 You know, it helped mitigate some of those things.
01:15:56.000 Well, you were a big part of the Black Zillions getting started.
01:15:59.000 Yeah.
01:16:00.000 And when you had that opportunity as a guy who was a former world champion to go there and sort of...
01:16:08.000 Become a part of a team from the ground up.
01:16:12.000 What did you try to do that was different than you had seen in other camps that you had participated in?
01:16:18.000 I wanted to make it just like a...
01:16:21.000 You know, the biggest thing back then was that there was...
01:16:25.000 You always had to go to so many different places in order to just get that one thing.
01:16:29.000 So I really wanted to just make it so that...
01:16:32.000 Our guys didn't have a need to go anywhere else for anything else.
01:16:36.000 And that was the whole idea behind the whole Black Zillions.
01:16:39.000 We brought in all kinds of people from every different aspect, from training to nutrition, almost every aspect of it.
01:16:47.000 And that's what we wanted to provide our athletes with, just like the total game.
01:16:53.000 So they really didn't have to do anything or worry about anything except for showing up to train.
01:16:59.000 It worked for a while.
01:17:00.000 It worked for a while, but it's a hard thing to maintain because that's a very, very expensive thing.
01:17:07.000 Well, Glenn, the guy who put up the cash, I mean, I had heard some outlandish figures that he was in the hole for that place for by the time everything was up and running.
01:17:19.000 Yeah, it was a pretty hefty ticket, man.
01:17:23.000 It was an expense that did get out of hand.
01:17:31.000 It did get out of hand.
01:17:31.000 I'm sure.
01:17:34.000 And here's the thing about it.
01:17:36.000 Even his situation, he got himself in a situation where he was doing so much for people, it just became a thing that people expected out of him.
01:17:44.000 And then when he wasn't able to do it anymore, then it was kind of like people were like, oh man, this guy isn't this and he wasn't that.
01:17:50.000 Right.
01:17:51.000 He just wanted to do so much and had an idea to want to do things on another level, but at the same time, the finances of doing it was a massive undertaking.
01:18:07.000 I'm sure.
01:18:08.000 I mean, all credit to Dan Lambert, because Dan Lambert has been doing this from the beginning.
01:18:14.000 Yeah.
01:18:14.000 That fucking guy.
01:18:15.000 I mean, he is the reason why these super camps got started.
01:18:19.000 Dan Lambert put his own money, and then the new ATT they built, he built himself from the ground up, built the whole fucking building.
01:18:29.000 And, you know, I haven't seen it in person.
01:18:31.000 I have friends that have gone to visit it, but I've seen it in videos, and it's holy shit.
01:18:35.000 Yeah, it's It's phenomenal.
01:18:36.000 I went inside of it.
01:18:36.000 Dan's the man.
01:18:37.000 Yeah, Dan.
01:18:37.000 He really is.
01:18:38.000 Dan is a good guy, man.
01:18:41.000 After the whole thing with the Black Zillions, him and I got to have a chance to spend some time together and just talk.
01:18:48.000 Right.
01:18:48.000 There was so much weird animosity.
01:18:50.000 It was weird.
01:18:50.000 And then the UFC put that show together.
01:18:52.000 Yeah, it's like I inherited beef with people that I didn't even know.
01:18:55.000 I didn't even say hello to them.
01:18:57.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:18:57.000 That's so crazy.
01:18:58.000 And I just inherited this beef and I was like, you know, it's silly.
01:19:02.000 And especially since the fact that ATT is like literally right down the street from my house, it would be closer to go there than anywhere else.
01:19:08.000 But it was weird for a while, but actually talking to Dan and actually getting to know him and, you know, it was a good thing because, you know, I got to get a lot of respect for him and just for what he's done with American Top Team and ATT in general.
01:19:25.000 Yeah.
01:19:26.000 No, he's a brilliant guy.
01:19:27.000 I love that guy as a person.
01:19:29.000 I'm a big fan of his.
01:19:30.000 I just love that a person like that, like Dan Lambert, can literally change the course of MMA by setting an example and by having a gym that sets an example that's such an insanely high level.
01:19:42.000 So big, so many world-class fighters there, so much strength and conditioning, everything under one roof, dorms, everything.
01:19:49.000 I think that was the thing that kind of pushed things in that position for Glenn.
01:19:58.000 He had to keep up.
01:19:58.000 He had to keep up.
01:19:59.000 He was trying to outdo.
01:20:01.000 He was trying to do Dan Lambert.
01:20:03.000 I always wanted to do something that Dan wasn't doing.
01:20:06.000 Good luck with that.
01:20:08.000 It's a good way to go broke, man.
01:20:09.000 That's a good way to spend a lot of money, I'll tell you that.
01:20:12.000 Yeah.
01:20:13.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of super camps out there now.
01:20:16.000 It's interesting to see these places.
01:20:18.000 You have TriStar in Montreal, you have Duke Rufus in Milwaukee, you have Jackson Winklejohn in Albuquerque, you got AKA. When you first started, there was not that many places.
01:20:31.000 No, there really wasn't.
01:20:32.000 And to even get what we wanted out of it, you know, there's three gyms that we can go through.
01:20:38.000 We'll go to either Jackson's in Albuquerque, we'll go to TriStar in Montreal, or we'll go to Denver, and we'll work with Trevor Whitman in Denver.
01:20:45.000 So we had the three camps that we bounced around from, and that's where we'll go to get the most work.
01:20:52.000 And it worked for a while, you know, it worked for a while for the most part, but just all that traveling, it just became hard to do.
01:20:58.000 That has to wear on you when you're in the middle of a camp and you're...
01:21:01.000 Yeah.
01:21:01.000 Staying in hotels.
01:21:03.000 Yeah, it does.
01:21:05.000 When I was in camp, I really wouldn't travel too much.
01:21:09.000 So what we would do is that if Nate Marquardt was in camp and he wanted to stay at home most of the time, so we'll stagger it where he'll have a tough guy in camp every single time.
01:21:20.000 time so I'll be a couple weeks when George wasn't there or when Keith wasn't there you know and then sometimes we'll all come together but for the most part we'll just all rotate into these gyms depending on who was fighting who needed to work he's a guy that I feel is underappreciated Nate Marquardt, when he was at the very top of his game, was a fucking assassin.
01:21:43.000 That knockout of Tyron Woodley in Strikeforce to this day is one of the nastiest in tight elbow combination knockouts I think of ever, like a video game knockout.
01:21:53.000 See, Nate Marquardt was one of those guys, I'm like, oh man, you'll get anxiety before training and practice because you knew it was going to be a hard goal.
01:22:00.000 Like, my training growing up in the sport was just...
01:22:05.000 It was difficult, man.
01:22:07.000 You know, training with GSP, Keith Jardine, Nate Marcord, Joey Villasenor, Mike Van Arsdale, and, you know, even Ali Abdelaziz was even up in the mix, too.
01:22:18.000 But it was, you know, it was training with guys who, like, it was a hard go all the time, you know.
01:22:26.000 And Nate was one of those guys that I'm just like, oh, my gosh.
01:22:30.000 This dude is not going to get tired.
01:22:32.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:22:33.000 He's good everywhere.
01:22:34.000 He's super strong.
01:22:35.000 It was just like one of those like, all right, I got to bring it in order to compete today.
01:22:40.000 Yeah, he was in that.
01:22:41.000 He had this weird transition between UFC and Strikeforce where people kind of forgot about him.
01:22:46.000 And then when he came back to the UFC, you know, he had some real good fights, but he had already had a really long career.
01:22:53.000 Yeah.
01:22:53.000 He had already had some really tough fights and then really tough fights in training too, right?
01:22:57.000 Yeah.
01:22:57.000 Yeah, and that's the thing.
01:22:59.000 Back then, we weren't really too smart.
01:23:03.000 Greg would kill us in training.
01:23:05.000 We'd do some shit that you'd be like, oh my gosh.
01:23:07.000 One time, Greg had us doing some buddy carries.
01:23:11.000 We're on the side of the Sandia Mountains, and it's like two or three feet, and you'll fall to your death.
01:23:17.000 And then we had to do these buddy carries, these wedding carries, where I'm holding Keith like this.
01:23:23.000 Get the fuck out of here.
01:23:26.000 You fall to your death if you make a mistake.
01:23:29.000 There wasn't much room for mistake.
01:23:31.000 If I would have fell down, then we would have fell.
01:23:35.000 And we had to rotate every 60 steps.
01:23:37.000 Fuck that.
01:23:39.000 And Greg was always on the mental, like, yo, you gotta be ready to die.
01:23:46.000 You gotta be ready to face death.
01:23:47.000 Let's get it.
01:23:48.000 Seek death.
01:23:49.000 Meanwhile, he's such a sweetie in the corner.
01:23:51.000 I know.
01:23:52.000 In the corner, he's Hey, how you doing, Rashad?
01:23:54.000 Oh my gosh.
01:23:55.000 Things are looking great.
01:23:56.000 That's why he does it, because he knows what he did to in training.
01:24:02.000 I can't imagine that.
01:24:04.000 Buddy carries or wedding carry like that, and literally if you fall, you die.
01:24:08.000 You both die.
01:24:09.000 Yeah, and then there was like one little slip, and he's like, all right, let's change things up.
01:24:13.000 Go on his back.
01:24:14.000 And I'm like, what?
01:24:16.000 Fuck out of here, Greg.
01:24:18.000 You go on his back, bitch.
01:24:19.000 What are you doing?
01:24:20.000 What are you talking about?
01:24:21.000 That's so crazy.
01:24:22.000 It was crazy, man, but that was a good time back then.
01:24:26.000 Just mental toughness training, huh?
01:24:28.000 Yeah, that was a mental toughness training.
01:24:30.000 Well, you guys, that Albuquerque team is always known for having crazy endurance.
01:24:33.000 I mean, that had to come from some of that grit, had to come from those hill workouts you guys would do.
01:24:39.000 We had a lot of grit because of those workouts that we did.
01:24:42.000 We did one where we do the sand dunes.
01:24:45.000 It was the worst, man.
01:24:47.000 You would cry like you had to carry somebody up doing the sand dunes.
01:24:50.000 And then if you didn't carry them all the way up, then you had to do it again until you completed it.
01:24:56.000 Like you would literally see grown-ass men crying.
01:25:00.000 Just like, I can't do it no more!
01:25:03.000 That's a good way to get injured, too, though, unfortunately.
01:25:06.000 Yeah.
01:25:07.000 It's like there's this fine line between pushing really hard and fucking somebody up.
01:25:12.000 Yes.
01:25:12.000 You know?
01:25:13.000 Yeah.
01:25:13.000 I think now they've kind of figured it out, but just the mental aspect, it paid off big dividends.
01:25:18.000 And I'll talk to Dana White, and Dana's like, bro, you were so fucking crazy back then.
01:25:23.000 You were so paranoid.
01:25:24.000 I'm like, your Dana White impression.
01:25:25.000 Yeah.
01:25:30.000 You were paranoid back then?
01:25:32.000 I mean, I was a fighter, man.
01:25:34.000 Fighters are always paranoid.
01:25:35.000 You have to be paranoid if you're a fighter.
01:25:37.000 You have to think that everybody's trying to take something from you, right?
01:25:41.000 It's just a mindset.
01:25:42.000 But he'll say, I was crazy.
01:25:44.000 I was paranoid because I didn't really trust him back then.
01:25:46.000 But I'm just...
01:25:48.000 He's a promoter.
01:25:49.000 Right.
01:25:50.000 And then on top of that, you had Greg Jackson always telling you that they want to get you out of here, man.
01:25:57.000 They want to get you out of the UFC, man.
01:25:58.000 Go ahead and just quit, Evans.
01:26:01.000 Just quit right now, man.
01:26:02.000 I know you want to give up.
01:26:02.000 They want to get you out of here anyways, man.
01:26:04.000 Like, no, no, I ain't going to quit.
01:26:06.000 Then show them you're not going to quit.
01:26:07.000 I don't want to see it.
01:26:08.000 Let's go.
01:26:10.000 Jesus Christ.
01:26:11.000 Yeah, it was a good time over there.
01:26:16.000 When you first started fighting, how much striking training had you done before you decided to compete in MMA? Because you had this wrestling base.
01:26:25.000 Did you have any striking training growing up?
01:26:28.000 Did you do any boxing?
01:26:30.000 I did some boxing.
01:26:31.000 And I did some karate too.
01:26:34.000 I did tank sudo.
01:26:35.000 I did tank sudo for a few years from the time I was 13 to 16. That makes sense because you always had good kicks.
01:26:44.000 Yeah.
01:26:45.000 Yeah, like that Sean Salmon knockout.
01:26:47.000 But you know, I never utilized my kicks like I should have.
01:26:51.000 My mom would always be like, every time, and Rashad, listen, Joe Rogan, she always would say something that Joe Rogan said.
01:26:58.000 Rashad, Joe Rogan said, you need to pass the guard, Rashad.
01:27:02.000 And I'm like, mom, I don't even know what the guard is.
01:27:06.000 I need to pass the guard.
01:27:08.000 Like, what?
01:27:09.000 Oh my gosh.
01:27:11.000 That's hilarious.
01:27:12.000 When I fought Sean Salmon, she's the one who told me to throw, Rashad, throw your kicks like Bruce Lee, Rashad.
01:27:20.000 And then when I threw the kick and knocked him down, the next day, I talked to her on the phone.
01:27:25.000 She said, Rashad, that was a good kick.
01:27:28.000 And I was like, okay.
01:27:29.000 But I don't like that dirty shit, though.
01:27:31.000 And I was like, Ma, what you talking about?
01:27:33.000 Rashad, you knew he was knocked out.
01:27:35.000 You didn't have to hit him again.
01:27:36.000 Oh, wow.
01:27:37.000 Your mom said that.
01:27:39.000 I'm like, Ma, you can't tell.
01:27:40.000 You just got to keep going.
01:27:41.000 The referee said, don't stop until I stop you.
01:27:44.000 And I was just in the fight.
01:27:46.000 And she said, but still, Rashad, it's shit.
01:27:48.000 Yeah.
01:27:49.000 Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
01:27:53.000 That dirty shit!
01:27:55.000 Oh, that's so funny.
01:27:57.000 I was kind of surprised that you were head-kicking more people unconscious after that.
01:28:03.000 You know, that's the thing, man.
01:28:04.000 I needed to really, really step out of my game and make sure I stepped out of my game more and more often.
01:28:11.000 But after I switched things up and went from Jackson's to Florida, it was different because Mike Winklejohn, he was my guy.
01:28:24.000 Me and Mike Winklejohn had a really good relationship.
01:28:29.000 And he would work with me.
01:28:32.000 And a lot of times we would work together.
01:28:34.000 It was like a counseling session.
01:28:38.000 We would just talk about life.
01:28:39.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:28:41.000 In between stuff.
01:28:42.000 We'd talk about everything.
01:28:43.000 And it was a fun training session, you know.
01:28:46.000 And that's when, you know, he'll instill in me all these different things.
01:28:49.000 You know, he'll be like, oh, yeah, that kick is going to work.
01:28:52.000 That kick is going to work.
01:28:53.000 You know, even with the overhand right, when I caught Chuck Liddell, he was telling me, oh, yeah, that's the kick.
01:28:57.000 That's the punch that's going to catch him.
01:28:59.000 That's going to catch him.
01:29:00.000 That when I caught Chuck the day before, I was hitting that move because I was super nervous.
01:29:05.000 And I was hitting the overhand right and a left hook combination.
01:29:09.000 And then you say, oh yeah, that's going to be the punch.
01:29:12.000 You're going to hit him with that, and you're going to knock him out, and I'm not going to be able to get into the cage and congratulate you.
01:29:17.000 That's what he said to me, word for word.
01:29:19.000 And I'm just like, no way.
01:29:20.000 And then it happened.
01:29:21.000 I looked at him and was like, oh shit, it happened just like you said.
01:29:24.000 That was like a gunshot.
01:29:26.000 I remember that shot.
01:29:28.000 I remember you landing that shot.
01:29:29.000 The smack of your fist hitting Chuck and then seeing Chuck crumbles.
01:29:33.000 Like, holy shit!
01:29:35.000 Was that your most satisfying victory?
01:29:38.000 Yeah, I think so.
01:29:39.000 It definitely was.
01:29:41.000 Just because, like...
01:29:42.000 Going into that fight job, like, the media sometimes can be so damn disrespectful, you know what I'm saying?
01:29:48.000 Like, they were just kind of like, the questioning was like, you know, what have you even done to fight a guy like Chuck Liddell?
01:29:55.000 People are asking you that?
01:29:56.000 I mean, pretty much, in so many words, like, you know, what have I even done to him?
01:30:01.000 But you had already, at that point in time...
01:30:03.000 Had you fought for the title?
01:30:05.000 No.
01:30:05.000 That was before you fought for the title.
01:30:07.000 Yeah, before I fought for the title.
01:30:08.000 And it was the fight before, the fight before, right?
01:30:11.000 The fight before, yeah.
01:30:11.000 I only got a chance to fight for the title because I beat Chuck Liddell.
01:30:15.000 Chuck Liddell was supposed to fight for the title.
01:30:17.000 I was a serve-up to fight for the title.
01:30:20.000 Oh, wow.
01:30:22.000 Yeah.
01:30:24.000 Wow.
01:30:25.000 Yeah, that was his servant.
01:30:27.000 Well, the media was a little sloppy back then.
01:30:30.000 Yeah.
01:30:30.000 There's some really good guys out there now and gals that are covering MMA where they're real journalists.
01:30:36.000 They really are like real sports journalists.
01:30:37.000 But back then it was like anybody with a camera who liked fights.
01:30:40.000 Well, there's also a lot of people that were trying to get attention just by being douchey.
01:30:44.000 Yeah.
01:30:44.000 There was a lot of douchey sports guy talk.
01:30:47.000 I fucking hate that stuff.
01:30:49.000 That was driving me crazy.
01:30:51.000 It would be real disrespectful to fighters.
01:30:54.000 Real dismissive of fighters.
01:30:56.000 So going into the fight, I felt that disrespect.
01:30:58.000 And I was like, you know what, man?
01:31:01.000 Alright.
01:31:01.000 I don't care what happens.
01:31:05.000 I gotta at least give a good showing for myself.
01:31:10.000 And that's all I really cared about doing.
01:31:13.000 I walked out to the song...
01:31:18.000 Immortal Technique is called...
01:31:19.000 That's my boy!
01:31:20.000 Yeah, Immortal Technique.
01:31:21.000 I love that dude.
01:31:21.000 He's my friend.
01:31:22.000 Yeah, he's cool, man.
01:31:24.000 I love him.
01:31:24.000 Yeah, I came out to the song, Point of No Return.
01:31:28.000 And that song just really solidified everything I was feeling at that moment.
01:31:34.000 There's a verse in there that says, the place that I'm from doesn't exist anymore.
01:31:39.000 And I knew after I walked out to that fight, life would never be the same, whether I won or lost.
01:31:46.000 That was the big moment for you.
01:31:48.000 That was the big moment.
01:31:50.000 I was not going to be the same Rashad after that fight.
01:31:52.000 No matter what happened.
01:31:54.000 Immortal Technique has such great lyrics.
01:31:56.000 He's so smart.
01:31:58.000 He's a smart dude.
01:31:59.000 I'm so politically aware.
01:32:02.000 Geopolitically aware.
01:32:03.000 He's got so much depth to his lyrics.
01:32:05.000 I love that dude.
01:32:07.000 He's like one of those guys you listen to and you just kind of keep putting it back.
01:32:11.000 Did he just say that shit?
01:32:13.000 He's got a lot of oh shit lyrics.
01:32:15.000 Oh shit.
01:32:16.000 A lot of things that he says, you know, you go and you look it up afterwards, like, okay.
01:32:20.000 You know, he definitely had me looking up some things after I listened to him.
01:32:24.000 Dude, you won the Ultimate Fighter as a heavyweight, which is so crazy.
01:32:28.000 I know, because if you look at me now, I'm like a 170 fighter.
01:32:31.000 Yeah, what do you weigh now?
01:32:32.000 What are you walking around?
01:32:33.000 I'm consisting like 200. 200 pounds?
01:32:35.000 200 pounds.
01:32:36.000 Wow.
01:32:37.000 Yeah, that is like a 170 now in this day and age.
01:32:40.000 Yeah, 200 pounds.
01:32:41.000 But I feel good though, man.
01:32:43.000 I feel really, really good.
01:32:46.000 And it's a level that I didn't expect to feel this good.
01:32:52.000 I didn't think that a diet can make me feel this good.
01:32:55.000 What is particularly makes you feel so good?
01:32:58.000 In what way?
01:33:00.000 My energy.
01:33:02.000 I have an energy level that it's really hard to say.
01:33:06.000 It kind of feels a bit supernatural in a bit.
01:33:10.000 I feel energy.
01:33:12.000 I feel like my body's energy.
01:33:16.000 It's kind of hard to say.
01:33:18.000 It's kind of hard to describe without looking crazy.
01:33:23.000 Well, you're obviously, by following this vegan diet, I'm seeing all these supplements.
01:33:27.000 You're taking spirulina and all these different things.
01:33:29.000 You're obviously doing it right, which is, you know, there's a lot of people that they're vegan, but they're eating, like, pasta and pizza and shit like that.
01:33:38.000 They're just not doing it correctly in terms of taking in the proper amount of nutrients.
01:33:43.000 Right.
01:33:44.000 And that's the thing about it.
01:33:46.000 I read this book, The Mucusless Diet, and it's by Dr. Arnold Ehret.
01:33:52.000 And this is like in the early 1900s.
01:33:54.000 He came up with this book and he had some stomach issues.
01:33:57.000 And it was not until he was fed up and was on like, you know what, he was starving himself.
01:34:04.000 And then he realized he had some really, you know, it kind of changes his stomach situation.
01:34:09.000 So then he started looking into diet and nutrition.
01:34:12.000 And then he became a fruitarian.
01:34:16.000 And this book is talking about pretty much, you know, the role of food in your body and what it does and what causes mucus and what doesn't cause mucus.
01:34:26.000 And, you know, through understanding the mucus of the diet and just reading it, It just gave me a different hold on understanding, like a different understanding of why I'm doing this, you know.
01:34:39.000 And it became to me deeper than just like, oh, I can't have this because, you know, the diet says I shouldn't have it.
01:34:46.000 It says I can't have it because, you know, this is going to cause inflammation, you know.
01:34:50.000 I know the deeper reason of why, so it's easier for me to avoid the pitfalls of bad food, you know?
01:34:56.000 There's also a situation with people where there's biological variability, where some people, some diets just sync up well for them.
01:35:08.000 them like i know i know a lot of people that they don't feel good when they eat red meat when they fish they feel great yeah when they eat light foods you know their their body whatever for whatever it is their digestion favors certain type of diet yeah and that's what i found too because um uh i don't i don't know if this will work for everybody to It probably won't work for everybody.
01:35:29.000 I mean, most likely it won't work for everybody.
01:35:31.000 But for me, it was something that my body just was like, ah, it's about time you started to treat us the right way.
01:35:39.000 Interesting.
01:35:40.000 And the crazy part about it is the fact that now I train less, but I can train harder.
01:35:45.000 Like now I can do sparring sessions where I spar for like an hour straight.
01:35:50.000 Really?
01:35:51.000 Yeah, and I'm sparring at a pretty good pace.
01:35:57.000 It's smart sparring.
01:35:59.000 We're not bashing each other in the head and shit like that.
01:36:02.000 We're being smart about it.
01:36:04.000 We're doing a little bit lighter to the head, but more heavy shots to the body, making those ones count.
01:36:13.000 And just kind of like giving a nice shot to the head, but not like, I'm going to knock you out type of shot to the head.
01:36:20.000 What type of foods are you eating?
01:36:22.000 Give me a typical meal for you.
01:36:25.000 Typically speaking, it all depends on the time of the day.
01:36:29.000 But I don't eat no more in the fast up until noon or until like 1 o'clock.
01:36:35.000 And then my first meal...
01:36:36.000 Are you on like a 16-hour, 14-hour intermittent fast?
01:36:40.000 Like 16, intermittent fast.
01:36:42.000 And then once I eat, I usually eat like...
01:36:47.000 I'll come home and I'll eat maybe a hearty shake that I make of fruit, and then I'll put some mushrooms and stuff in it, just like the cordyceps, the lion's mane, and from this brand Lifecycle.
01:37:04.000 Sure.
01:37:04.000 You heard of LifeCycle with a K? So that brand right there makes a really good tincture that you just drop it in there and you don't got to worry about changing the flavor of too much of your shake.
01:37:14.000 So I drop that in there with my shakes and stuff like that.
01:37:17.000 And I usually take that.
01:37:19.000 That would be my first meal.
01:37:20.000 Then the second one would be a little bit more hearty.
01:37:23.000 It would be something with vegetables and maybe some potatoes or something so it's a little bit more hearty.
01:37:28.000 And then I'll have another hearty meal, like a vegetable-type meal, vegetable-based meal, at nighttime.
01:37:35.000 And then I'll usually be done for the day.
01:37:38.000 Are you using any protein powders, pea protein, hemp protein, anything along those lines?
01:37:44.000 No, I don't use any protein powders.
01:37:45.000 Just vegetables, raw vegetables?
01:37:46.000 Yeah, just raw vegetables.
01:37:48.000 Raw vegetables and fruit.
01:37:49.000 Interesting.
01:37:50.000 Yeah, and I don't really feel like I have a need for it.
01:37:55.000 I feel like...
01:37:57.000 My muscle mass is pretty good.
01:37:59.000 I don't feel like I'm too skinny or I'm not gaining any muscle.
01:38:04.000 I feel like I can gain muscle.
01:38:07.000 It's just been working for me.
01:38:09.000 So basically you just eat to feel good, however it makes you feel good.
01:38:13.000 Yeah, I've right.
01:38:14.000 And you've got it down now.
01:38:15.000 You know what kind of foods.
01:38:17.000 The supplement thing gets strange with vegans.
01:38:20.000 There's a lot of folks that they're mixing a lot of different dietary yeasts and a lot of different powders and different things and blending these different things.
01:38:31.000 Some people don't like the way that feels when you're eating like that, but it sounds like what you're eating is much more whole food based.
01:38:37.000 Yeah, mine is just whole food based.
01:38:39.000 Like a lot of the foods that I... I became actually a good cook now because of the fact that I had to learn to cook my own food.
01:38:45.000 My wife, she was busy becoming, you know, busier on her own, doing her own thing.
01:38:49.000 So she wasn't able to cook for me like she was before, but then I learned myself...
01:38:54.000 And through learning myself, it just completely took the shackles off of me.
01:38:59.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:39:00.000 Right.
01:39:01.000 Cook your own nice meals.
01:39:02.000 Yeah, so now I cook a lot of West Indian type of foods because I have a really good vegetarian menu.
01:39:09.000 Like a lot of chickpeas and things of that nature.
01:39:14.000 There's a really good vegetarian Indian place around here that I go to sometimes.
01:39:18.000 See, I love Indian food.
01:39:19.000 Yeah, it's really good.
01:39:20.000 I haven't gone in a month because I've been on this carnivore diet.
01:39:22.000 But this place was fantastic.
01:39:24.000 Real interesting, weird, you know, vegetable dishes.
01:39:28.000 Everything's vegetarian.
01:39:29.000 You know, I guess with them it's a religious thing.
01:39:33.000 A lot of Indians are vegetarian.
01:39:34.000 Yeah, vegetarian.
01:39:35.000 And I like a lot of Indian food just because of that, you know.
01:39:39.000 And that whole food diet, it just works for me.
01:39:42.000 But like you said, these supplements like this, This makes me, like, I feel like when I drink this, like spirulina, and just eat a lot of greens, and even, like, the mushrooms, you know, the cordyceps mushrooms and stuff like that, like, I just have energy to just go and go and go.
01:39:58.000 Is that lifestyle cycle tincture?
01:40:00.000 Somebody gave me some of that recently.
01:40:01.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:40:01.000 It's very good.
01:40:01.000 I gotta have them send you some.
01:40:03.000 I gotta have them send you some.
01:40:04.000 They send, like, they have, like, a really nice tincture set that they send out.
01:40:08.000 I should have bring it, but it has, like, it has, like, Reishi, it has turkey tail, lion's mane, the cordyceps, and it even gives you, you know, a schedule on when you should take it and when it's best for.
01:40:24.000 But it's a really, really good, good mushrooms because, you know, they put, they infuse theirs with this cockatoo plum.
01:40:36.000 It's a cockatoo plum.
01:40:37.000 You ever hear that?
01:40:38.000 No, it's a funny name.
01:40:39.000 Yeah, I know.
01:40:40.000 Cockatoo plum is from Australia.
01:40:42.000 And it's like one of the most high in vitamin C fruits there is.
01:40:49.000 Like it's way higher in vitamin C than oranges and everything else like that.
01:40:53.000 Cockadoo plum.
01:40:54.000 Yeah, cockadoo plum.
01:40:55.000 Okay.
01:40:55.000 Yeah.
01:40:56.000 K-A-K-A. That sounds like something that a little kid would be eating now.
01:41:01.000 It's a cockatoo plant.
01:41:06.000 It's a really, really good supplement.
01:41:08.000 I don't really like to recommend supplements too much, but that's one that I take and I'm like, man, I feel way better off.
01:41:17.000 Do you eat a lot of beets?
01:41:19.000 I do.
01:41:19.000 I do.
01:41:21.000 Beats are really good.
01:41:22.000 Beats are supposed to be really good for endurance.
01:41:23.000 Yeah, beats are really good.
01:41:25.000 But it's crazy.
01:41:27.000 Just eating greens like I've been eating greens, I feel like I don't get tired like I used to.
01:41:32.000 My body's just instantly recovering.
01:41:34.000 What was your old diet like?
01:41:37.000 When you're training for a fight, what would typical meals be like?
01:41:41.000 It was pretty clean, but I would eat a lot of meat.
01:41:45.000 I would eat a lot of meat, and I'm O positive, so I would eat a lot of red meat.
01:41:50.000 And I felt really good when I ate red meat.
01:41:53.000 It felt as if when I eat red meat, it almost felt like I could feel it within the next 20, 30 minutes.
01:42:00.000 My body breaks it down really fast.
01:42:02.000 Yeah.
01:42:03.000 So I felt good eating it, but I didn't feel like I had the endurance.
01:42:09.000 I didn't feel the endurance aspect like I do right now.
01:42:13.000 I see what you're saying.
01:42:14.000 The best that I ever felt was when I fought Tito Ortiz.
01:42:20.000 I was eating red meat, but I also was coupling that up with a lot of spinach.
01:42:26.000 I was eating a lot of spinach.
01:42:27.000 I would go and get a big bag of spinach.
01:42:30.000 Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing.
01:42:31.000 I'd get a big bag of spinach and I'd just put it in a blender and just grind it up and then throw some apples in it to make it a little bit sweeter to change the taste so it wouldn't be so greenish like I'm eating grass.
01:42:42.000 And then I would just drink those all the time, but it just made me feel so strong.
01:42:47.000 Interesting.
01:42:47.000 Interesting.
01:42:48.000 Now, did you used to work with the nutritionist at all?
01:42:52.000 I did.
01:42:53.000 Yeah, I did.
01:42:53.000 I worked with...
01:42:55.000 Because when you were cutting weight, like, how many fights did you have at 85?
01:42:59.000 Two.
01:43:00.000 Was that too much of a struggle?
01:43:02.000 Yeah, it was too much of a struggle.
01:43:03.000 I'm in a weird position because I'm not a very big person.
01:43:07.000 I'm not big enough to be a light heavyweight, but I'm not small enough to be a middleweight either.
01:43:15.000 So I was in that weird space.
01:43:18.000 So when I cut down to 185, I felt like it felt drained.
01:43:22.000 I just didn't have the movement and the pop.
01:43:25.000 But then at 205, I kind of felt...
01:43:28.000 Back then, what did you walk around at?
01:43:31.000 Back then, I was walking around around like 225, 230. And what was different?
01:43:37.000 Because it was from eating the meat, you think?
01:43:38.000 Yeah, from eating the meat, I would get...
01:43:41.000 That alone has got to probably increase your endurance, just the loss of that much body mass.
01:43:45.000 Yeah.
01:43:46.000 20 plus pounds that your body doesn't have to pump blood through.
01:43:49.000 Yeah, you're absolutely right about that.
01:43:51.000 Yeah, so that just came off naturally when you stopped eating meat.
01:43:55.000 Yep.
01:43:55.000 And another thing too, this is another reason why, because when I wasn't fighting, that was the problem because I would get into these bad eating habits because I would always know that when I had training camp, I can just cut the weight and just lose it like that.
01:44:15.000 But after a while, that just becomes your habit.
01:44:18.000 Anything you do over time, that becomes your habit.
01:44:19.000 It becomes your lifestyle.
01:44:21.000 And I was eating a lot of sugar, drinking a lot of booze and shit like that.
01:44:25.000 So I was like, man, I need to make a change for my life for the rest of my life, you know?
01:44:30.000 Right.
01:44:30.000 And that's why this whole lifestyle fits so much better in me, you know?
01:44:34.000 Do you think that would have changed your career had you eaten this way back when you were competing?
01:44:39.000 I think so.
01:44:40.000 I think it would've, but at the same time, I don't know in which way.
01:44:44.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:44:45.000 You may have been too chill.
01:44:46.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:44:47.000 Because you're so calm now.
01:44:49.000 Yeah, I feel like I was what I needed to be at the time I needed to be it, you know?
01:44:54.000 I see, yeah.
01:44:55.000 And I feel like there are some aspects of my awareness, because that's what I would call it more than anything.
01:45:02.000 I hate to say, oh, I'm woke now, because I hate that whole woke thing.
01:45:06.000 But I feel...
01:45:08.000 Real woke is great.
01:45:09.000 Real woke.
01:45:11.000 But you know what it is?
01:45:13.000 The problem is people could take it too far and then really it's about getting other people to comply with your idea of wokeness.
01:45:19.000 And then it becomes almost like a religion.
01:45:22.000 You just want people to comply with your ideas about how to speak and how to talk and how to live.
01:45:28.000 Exactly You just become a dictator A little woke dictator Exactly That's what it is But the idea of like being woke Meaning aware You're spiritually cognizant Of your effect on people The life that you live And that's all beautiful That's great The problem is it gets abused I'm a dictator.
01:45:46.000 Exactly.
01:45:46.000 People want to pretend that they have virtue, so they adopt this woke pattern, and then they try to force it on other people.
01:45:53.000 And then they're fucking annoying.
01:45:54.000 And then it pisses other people off that may be inclined to think that maybe it's good to be kinder, good to be more open.
01:46:01.000 And then they hear those fucks, and they're like, fuck these people, I'm going to vote for Trump again.
01:46:05.000 And that's what happens.
01:46:06.000 I hear that.
01:46:08.000 I definitely hear that.
01:46:09.000 I hear that because that's what...
01:46:13.000 That's how I would say it.
01:46:14.000 For me, it was more or less just awareness of myself.
01:46:21.000 I was aware of myself, but I didn't really have the awareness.
01:46:28.000 It's almost to the point where I'm just more cognizant of every single choice that I make.
01:46:33.000 And just...
01:46:37.000 And that's something I really didn't care about or really didn't think about before.
01:46:41.000 And just that awareness right there, it brings a whole new different understanding of life.
01:46:47.000 But I was like that person when I first woke.
01:46:50.000 I'm just like, oh man, why ain't this person woke?
01:46:52.000 And I wanted to wake up everybody.
01:46:53.000 And it was the most frustrating thing in the world.
01:46:56.000 And that's why I was like, you know what?
01:46:57.000 I won't do it, man.
01:46:59.000 Isn't that what always happens when people find something interesting?
01:47:03.000 That's what happens when people start doing CrossFit.
01:47:05.000 It happens when people start doing Jiu-Jitsu.
01:47:07.000 They just can't shut the fuck up about it.
01:47:08.000 And it happens when people take on, you know, a new spiritual philosophy.
01:47:13.000 Yeah.
01:47:13.000 They want everybody to understand how they're doing it and that you should do it this way too.
01:47:19.000 When people believe in what they're doing, they want to share it.
01:47:23.000 But they also want other people to do it too because if I can convince you to live my way, then it validates the way I'm living.
01:47:30.000 Right, right.
01:47:30.000 Because look, Rashad's woke too now.
01:47:32.000 Why don't you be woke?
01:47:33.000 And then you start just trying to spread it.
01:47:37.000 But I think that everybody has their own awakening.
01:47:42.000 And some people may not have that.
01:47:46.000 In this life.
01:47:47.000 They may never have that awakening.
01:47:50.000 Some people are burdened by their environment as well, right?
01:47:53.000 There's too much stress and anxiety.
01:47:55.000 You can't even see it.
01:47:57.000 Sometimes you don't have space.
01:47:58.000 And that's why I even give a nod to the psychedelics in that respect.
01:48:02.000 If you don't have the ability to have that mental space, there is something that can help have you have that insight that somebody who was...
01:48:12.000 Who was doing all the meditation because all you really need to do is feel it to understand why you need to do it.
01:48:18.000 And that's why I'm lucky that I was able to feel it.
01:48:22.000 So now it's nothing for me to meditate and go through all these spiritual practices because I know that is something real.
01:48:29.000 But beforehand, I was like, man, that shit is not real.
01:48:33.000 I don't believe that, man.
01:48:35.000 You feeling energy, huh?
01:48:37.000 I mean, I used to be one of those guys, but until I went through it, I'm just like, you know, you don't have that understanding.
01:48:44.000 Well, it's hard to see the result.
01:48:47.000 You kind of have to trust the process.
01:48:49.000 It's hard to see the result before you've experienced it.
01:48:52.000 You kind of have to trust the process, go through it.
01:48:54.000 Then something for me, a big one is yoga.
01:48:57.000 I'm a big believer in yoga and not just for physical reasons, for mental reasons.
01:49:02.000 It helps me tremendously.
01:49:03.000 And when I don't do it, I'm good.
01:49:07.000 I'm good.
01:49:07.000 Like legit.
01:49:08.000 Legitimately, I should do yoga twice a week because I'm really only good for about three days after yoga class.
01:49:15.000 I need to just really balance out.
01:49:17.000 If I was doing it three times a week, there's not a thing in the world that can fuck with me mentally.
01:49:21.000 I'd be like, I'm fine.
01:49:23.000 Everything will be fine.
01:49:24.000 I've done the Bikram's yoga and that shit was just so hot.
01:49:28.000 I really couldn't focus.
01:49:31.000 That's the key, though.
01:49:32.000 I know, but I wasn't where I am right now.
01:49:35.000 You should do it now.
01:49:36.000 So tell me, like, when you go to Beekram, whatever you do?
01:49:39.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:49:40.000 Well, my place is not affiliated with Beekram anymore because he's got arrested for some scumbaggery.
01:49:47.000 He's actually been arrested, and I don't think he can come to America.
01:49:52.000 I think that's the thing.
01:49:53.000 I think he's got to, like, stay in hiding.
01:49:56.000 The thing about it, that guru life, that's the problem.
01:49:59.000 That is a problem.
01:50:00.000 It really is a problem when any one person has that much influence over so many people, particularly a male having so much influence over females that worship him, especially if you're a scumbag.
01:50:10.000 And he...
01:50:13.000 This is the thing about this.
01:50:14.000 He did not invent those postures, and he didn't even invent that sequence.
01:50:18.000 He brought it to America, and he popularized doing it in very hot rooms.
01:50:23.000 The benefits, though, forget him.
01:50:26.000 Take him out of the equation, because there's so many people that practice it, and they've had incredible benefits from it.
01:50:32.000 It's really unfortunate that it's connected to this very controversial individual because then people associate Bikram Yoga with this guy that's been accused of multiple sexual assaults and rapes and all these different things.
01:50:46.000 But you take that away from him as a human being and the people that practice it, what they get from it.
01:50:52.000 First of all, you know exactly what you're going to do every day.
01:50:56.000 There's 26 postures and two breathing exercises.
01:50:58.000 One breathing exercise in the beginning, 26 postures, one breathing exercise at the end.
01:51:03.000 It's 90 minutes.
01:51:04.000 It's 90 minutes at 105 degrees, and it's fucking brutal.
01:51:08.000 And I did it right before I got here.
01:51:10.000 I like to do it in the mornings, first thing in the morning.
01:51:12.000 I do it before I've eaten anything.
01:51:13.000 I go through a 90-minute yoga class.
01:51:15.000 I really like doing it that way.
01:51:16.000 And then at the end of the day, I have a couple different places that I do it at.
01:51:20.000 I like to mix it up.
01:51:21.000 But that hot yoga for me is the way to go.
01:51:24.000 Because first of all, I know the postures.
01:51:27.000 They all serve a purpose in terms of helping my body, helping my balance, keeping my flexibility, strengthening my joints.
01:51:36.000 There's so many really positive physical benefits from it.
01:51:40.000 And then two, the meditation aspect of it.
01:51:43.000 Because no matter what kind of bullshit I have going on in my life, if I just...
01:51:47.000 Breathe and think about the exercise and then you know my brain starts racing and I'll forget what I'm doing and I'll start thinking about other shit But I bring it back bring it back bring it back breathe just breathe You're not going anywhere for 90 minutes.
01:51:59.000 You're locked in this room literally the doors locked when the class starts So I am just breathing and going through these and I know that I can get through it because I've done a thousand times before just breathe and get through it and There's a cleansing Of like all the, your brain, there's like residual, there's residue of like shitty thoughts bouncing around inside your brain.
01:52:20.000 Anxieties and fears and regrets and anger and frustration and all this shit that's in your head that just gets in the way of clear thinking.
01:52:29.000 It gets in the way of being able to see things in an objective, beneficial way.
01:52:35.000 And to be able to see things the way other people see them as well.
01:52:37.000 Like sometimes, you know, I have an issue, and I think a lot of people do, that I don't see how other people are seeing things.
01:52:43.000 I see how I see things.
01:52:45.000 And then I go, well, okay, let me look at it from their way.
01:52:48.000 Let me just abandon.
01:52:49.000 Oh, no, no, no.
01:52:50.000 Well, they're fucking wrong.
01:52:51.000 That's right.
01:52:52.000 Abandon all that shit and try to look at it from other people's ways.
01:52:55.000 I feel like...
01:52:56.000 What yoga does for me is it allows me to be free.
01:52:59.000 It allows me to clean up all my preconceived notions and clean out all my misconceptions and just see things.
01:53:06.000 See things for how they are.
01:53:08.000 And I always feel better.
01:53:09.000 Always.
01:53:09.000 See, I gotta try that.
01:53:10.000 Oh, it's the best.
01:53:11.000 Especially now that you're on this vegan diet, I'm telling you.
01:53:14.000 You're on that path anyway.
01:53:16.000 Yoga is...
01:53:18.000 It's just so good for straightening your fucking head out, man.
01:53:21.000 I always wanted to try that kundalini yoga.
01:53:23.000 That's the shit that's supposed to make you trip.
01:53:25.000 Yeah.
01:53:26.000 I've had a bunch of friends do it.
01:53:28.000 My friend Denny, he's done it and he's done DMT too.
01:53:33.000 He's like, dude, it's the same goddamn thing.
01:53:35.000 You have full-blown visions.
01:53:37.000 You have full-blown psychedelic visions.
01:53:39.000 See, that's the thing.
01:53:40.000 When I do the DMT, I don't have...
01:53:44.000 It's weird.
01:53:46.000 I don't have those...
01:53:47.000 Visions.
01:53:48.000 Those visions.
01:53:49.000 Okay, that's because you're doing 5-methoxy dimethyltryptamine.
01:53:52.000 The visions come from NN dimethyltryptamine.
01:53:55.000 Totally different thing.
01:53:57.000 I've done both.
01:53:58.000 I've done it before.
01:53:59.000 You've done NN? Yeah.
01:54:00.000 And you have no visions?
01:54:02.000 No, I have visions.
01:54:04.000 It's just silly things, though, sometimes.
01:54:09.000 One time I did it, I've seen this half...
01:54:13.000 It was like a...
01:54:15.000 I awake and I'm in a place and I'm just with these three massive beings like tall as a building and they were like half human and they were half snake.
01:54:26.000 And I got a snake from the waist down and that had a human from the waist up but had like a snake face.
01:54:33.000 Yeah, and that was one of the visions that I had.
01:54:37.000 What do you think that represented?
01:54:38.000 I don't know, but it was weird because during that experience, all three of them were staring at me and they were looking down.
01:54:48.000 And then one of them reached for me and then I started going up and then I started going around their body.
01:54:53.000 And then I went around the body and then...
01:54:56.000 As I was going around the body, every once in a while, I would see the face of it, and it would open up like a cobra, and then it would close.
01:55:05.000 But it wasn't scary.
01:55:06.000 It wasn't terrifying.
01:55:07.000 And I went all the way up the body, and it was like I was able to see from another angle me up in the body, and then it opened me up like a flower or something like that.
01:55:22.000 It was weird.
01:55:23.000 And then my trip went...
01:55:26.000 Like, super, super fast.
01:55:28.000 So you definitely have had visions.
01:55:30.000 Yeah, I just can't quite make out what it...
01:55:34.000 What's it supposed to be?
01:55:35.000 Yeah, what's it supposed to be?
01:55:36.000 I had a bunch of jokers giving me the finger the last time.
01:55:39.000 A bunch of jesters, like court jesters.
01:55:42.000 See, I've never seen nothing like that, man.
01:55:43.000 It was ridiculous.
01:55:44.000 They were all like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you!
01:55:46.000 Like, circling me.
01:55:48.000 Like, infinite numbers of...
01:55:50.000 Basically, the feeling that I got was like, oh, I take myself too seriously.
01:55:55.000 And these jesters were just going, fuck you.
01:55:58.000 Like, you don't like that.
01:56:00.000 You don't like when someone goes, fuck you.
01:56:02.000 So they were going, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you.
01:56:04.000 And there was like, but they weren't saying the words, but they were definitely giving me the finger.
01:56:08.000 But there was like an infinite number of jesters surrounding me going, giving me like this vibrating finger.
01:56:14.000 And I was like, oh, but it was clear what they were saying.
01:56:18.000 Like, hey, bitch, you take yourself too seriously.
01:56:21.000 And then I was like, you're right, you're right.
01:56:22.000 And once I would say, you're right, they're like, nod at me, like, mm-hmm.
01:56:26.000 See, that's what I like.
01:56:28.000 I like to be able to work, like, that's work.
01:56:30.000 That's work right there.
01:56:31.000 Like, you went and you worked through something, you know?
01:56:33.000 Yes, yes.
01:56:34.000 I think when you work too hard at something, and you're trying to achieve something, Like, oftentimes, you think very highly of yourself.
01:56:42.000 Like, I should, you know, my Netflix special's gonna be the shit.
01:56:46.000 I'm gonna, this is gonna be the best one I've ever done.
01:56:48.000 I'm gonna fucking show everybody how good this is.
01:56:50.000 And they were like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you!
01:56:54.000 And I was like, oh, okay.
01:56:55.000 All right.
01:56:56.000 Yeah, you're right.
01:56:57.000 I was like, you're right.
01:56:58.000 This is silly.
01:56:58.000 It's like I'm just alive for a certain amount of time and I shouldn't think that way.
01:57:02.000 I mean, there's part of you that gets trapped in thinking that way because you're trying to do something.
01:57:07.000 But you don't have to think that way to do the thing.
01:57:09.000 Right.
01:57:10.000 You know?
01:57:11.000 Yeah.
01:57:12.000 So that's the thing, those visions and being able to...
01:57:16.000 When I did ayahuasca, I didn't have any visions, man.
01:57:19.000 I didn't have anything.
01:57:20.000 I got into a pretty good space, but I didn't have the typical teaching lessons everybody else has when you do something like that.
01:57:31.000 That seems like you probably didn't get a strong enough dose.
01:57:33.000 No, I did two large cups.
01:57:39.000 The thing is...
01:57:41.000 With that, and I'm speaking just from people talking to me about it, because I've only done the pure DMT. I haven't done the ayahuasca.
01:57:47.000 Oh, you haven't done the ayahuasca.
01:57:48.000 People say that a lot of these people that are making it, either they're not making it correctly or they're making a light dose because they're worried about gringos going crazy and They don't want to be responsible for that shit.
01:58:02.000 So I know people that have gone and they've had these experiences where they've done it with someone in America or someone who's done through a more commercial sort of organization and it wasn't really that strong or profound and then they went and did it with someone who was real.
01:58:17.000 Someone who's making some fucking super high grade, you know, 97 octane shit.
01:58:22.000 That's what I need.
01:58:23.000 That's what I need.
01:58:24.000 Because I feel like after that I felt like Damn, I must be broke, man.
01:58:29.000 I must be broken.
01:58:33.000 I can't even feel the damn ayahuasca.
01:58:39.000 It didn't give me the experience I wanted, but it gave me the experience that I needed.
01:58:47.000 That's something that I got after I was over the disappointment of it.
01:58:52.000 I was like, you know what?
01:58:53.000 I didn't get what I wanted, but I definitely got what I needed, you know, because whenever you sit in a circle and stuff like that, it's always an amazing cathartic thing where you just kind of just like shed and just go through those emotions.
01:59:05.000 Just watching other people just be so raw with their emotions and just kind of feeling that, you know, just through symbiosis, you kind of like start to feel like the work come through you.
01:59:17.000 You know, that's how I felt anyways.
01:59:19.000 Now, are you working a lot with fighters now?
01:59:22.000 Are you working with young fighters?
01:59:23.000 Are you doing it in any official capacity, or are you just doing it because you're at the gym?
01:59:28.000 I just train because I'm at the gym, but I like to train with the guys when I'm in there because I can go at a good pace, and I don't mind if they hit me up a little bit, and I will give them a look that some of the training partners won't give them.
01:59:45.000 Yeah, I enjoy that aspect of it, but I haven't been like, oh, you know, I'm going to come in here.
01:59:51.000 I haven't dedicated myself to someone's full camp, you know?
01:59:54.000 you know one of the reasons why i say is because a lot of people that i talk to that have trained with you and work with you one of the things they really like about you is your guidance is that you're a guy that they could sit down and talk to about things and you have a very learned and wise perspective and that could be especially with you know you consider your successful career that could be like very beneficial for young fighters coming up and i just wanted to know like had you ever thought about becoming a trainer yeah i i think about all the time and I work with some fighters now.
02:00:24.000 I have this team out in Michigan.
02:00:27.000 It's Team Mercy Lago.
02:00:29.000 My old coach, Joaquin Rodriguez, he's like the head guy there.
02:00:33.000 But him and I work together and we try to bring some of the fighters out and try to get them to the bigger shows and stuff like that.
02:00:38.000 But those fighters, I work with a lot.
02:00:41.000 My godson is one of those fighters there, Devin Smith.
02:00:45.000 And I work with him and try to get him to just...
02:00:47.000 You know, not only fight at a certain level, but mentally bring himself to a certain level, you know?
02:00:52.000 And he's always hated because he's always like, man, you always try to be like Yoda, try to give me a Yoda lesson.
02:00:57.000 I'm like, no, I'm not trying to be Yoda.
02:00:59.000 I'm just trying to, I just want to tell you, you know?
02:01:01.000 I'll be like Ken.
02:01:02.000 Yeah, because one time he hit me up, he's like, oh man, I'm ready to come down.
02:01:07.000 I'm ready to train.
02:01:07.000 I'm like, okay, you ready to come and train?
02:01:09.000 I'm like, all right, so have you been training?
02:01:12.000 And he's like, no.
02:01:14.000 And I'm like, hmm.
02:01:15.000 And I'm like, so what makes you think it's going to be different if you come and train with me?
02:01:19.000 I mean, you still have to train.
02:01:20.000 And he's like, I better get to the gym, huh?
02:01:25.000 That's one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had with people.
02:01:27.000 They go, you know what, man?
02:01:28.000 If I train, I think I'll be a fucking world champion.
02:01:30.000 I'm like, okay.
02:01:31.000 I don't even know where to start with that.
02:01:32.000 Right.
02:01:33.000 I don't even know what to say there.
02:01:34.000 Okay.
02:01:35.000 If I meditate, I think I can see through walls.
02:01:38.000 I'm not going to meditate, though.
02:01:39.000 Like, what does that mean?
02:01:40.000 I know.
02:01:41.000 People have weird ways of looking at themselves, you know, where they just decide they're special without putting in any work.
02:01:46.000 You know, like they decide there's something about them that makes them different.
02:01:50.000 Yeah.
02:01:51.000 And they want that to be the case, but they don't want to work towards it.
02:01:55.000 It's a weird trap that you see in young people where they just convince themselves there's something significant about them.
02:02:01.000 You know, and that's a real problem with young guys.
02:02:04.000 They get into fighting that have a delusional perspective and they'll accept fights they shouldn't accept.
02:02:08.000 Yeah.
02:02:09.000 So they're like, I'll fight that motherfucker.
02:02:10.000 That guy has 30 fights.
02:02:11.000 You have one.
02:02:12.000 Are you crazy?
02:02:13.000 You know?
02:02:14.000 But I think that I see that more with the kids and it's this next generation just because we're such a voyeuristic community.
02:02:20.000 I mean, society now.
02:02:22.000 And I think now people just see somebody like, oh yeah, I can do that, but not really realizing, like you said...
02:02:28.000 All the guts that go into what make them good at what they do.
02:02:32.000 Well, there's lessons that are out there.
02:02:34.000 If you just pay attention.
02:02:35.000 Look, here's a great lesson.
02:02:37.000 Conor McGregor versus Floyd Mayweather.
02:02:39.000 One guy has zero pro boxing matches.
02:02:42.000 One guy's the greatest of all time.
02:02:44.000 Yeah.
02:02:44.000 And somehow or another, they sold us on this thing, and we all paid money, me included, and we watched this fight.
02:02:52.000 That was exactly how any expert would tell you it's going to go down.
02:02:55.000 Floyd's going to fuck him up.
02:02:57.000 There's another one, maybe an even more egregious one, because at least Conor McGregor was a world champion, combat sports athlete, and a wicked fighter.
02:03:04.000 There was a lion fight where they had Lerdzilla.
02:03:08.000 Do you know who Lerdzilla is?
02:03:09.000 No, I don't know who it is.
02:03:10.000 Ooh, he's a motherfucker!
02:03:12.000 Motherfucker!
02:03:12.000 This Thai dude, he's a motherfucker, and he fought this dude with zero pro Muay Thai fights.
02:03:18.000 I think Lerdzilla has 300 Muay Thai fights, and he fought this dude and played with him and then head-kicked him into another dimension.
02:03:26.000 But he head-kicked him off the front leg, just...
02:03:28.000 And the dude folded.
02:03:30.000 It's a crazy KO. How did the fight even get set up like that?
02:03:33.000 That's...
02:03:34.000 I don't know.
02:03:34.000 I think maybe he had another opponent and that opponent got injured and dropped out and then this MMA fighter decided to try his hand at Muay Thai so he jumped in there in a Muay Thai fight against arguably one of the greatest Muay Thai fighters alive.
02:03:48.000 You should watch Lerdzilla's highlight reel.
02:03:50.000 First of all, he's super elusive.
02:03:52.000 He's an unusually elusive fighter.
02:03:55.000 But he hit this motherfucker with a left high kick just off the front leg, just whipped it up off the front leg and caught him on the chin and folded him.
02:04:02.000 And I was like, whoever said yes to that fight, whatever commission allowed that fight to take place, you guys should have to go to trial.
02:04:12.000 Someone should sit down with you and go, how the fuck did you allow this to take place?
02:04:17.000 That sounds crazy as hell, man.
02:04:20.000 Zero pro fights versus 300. I mean, maybe he didn't have 300. Maybe he had 264 or some crazy shit like that.
02:04:27.000 But he's Lerdzilla.
02:04:28.000 I mean, Lerdzilla is a famous Muay Thai fighter.
02:04:32.000 Oh, did you find it?
02:04:33.000 Yeah, here it is.
02:04:34.000 Oh, that's the dude after he got crumpled.
02:04:36.000 Go before that.
02:04:37.000 Go before that.
02:04:38.000 So you could watch...
02:04:41.000 I mean, Lerdzilla's just fucking him up from the beginning.
02:04:44.000 And credit to the dude for thinking he could take the fight and step it up.
02:04:47.000 But Lerdzilla basically just battered this fucking guy.
02:04:50.000 You can tell the look on his face he's just playing with him.
02:04:52.000 Yes.
02:04:53.000 Well, Lerdzilla's brilliant, man.
02:04:54.000 Look at that.
02:04:54.000 Oh my gosh.
02:04:55.000 Look at that.
02:04:55.000 And that was one knockdown.
02:04:57.000 He got up after that?
02:04:58.000 Yeah.
02:04:58.000 He knocked him out after that.
02:05:00.000 He knocked him out.
02:05:01.000 Watch his front leg.
02:05:02.000 Teep.
02:05:02.000 Watch it.
02:05:02.000 Smack.
02:05:03.000 Oh my gosh.
02:05:04.000 Yeah.
02:05:04.000 Folds him.
02:05:05.000 That's a complete, total mismatch.
02:05:08.000 Like, if that dude was doing that and sparring to that guy, everyone would be mad at him.
02:05:12.000 Everybody would be like, hey man, this guy's not on your level.
02:05:14.000 Don't fuck him up.
02:05:15.000 Yeah.
02:05:16.000 Like, take it light on him.
02:05:17.000 Be nice.
02:05:17.000 Look at this.
02:05:18.000 Teep.
02:05:18.000 Smack.
02:05:19.000 Oh my gosh.
02:05:20.000 Hands down.
02:05:21.000 Not worried about shit.
02:05:22.000 Playing with him.
02:05:22.000 And the whole fight's like that.
02:05:24.000 And Lord Zillow's a beast, man.
02:05:25.000 He's fun to watch.
02:05:26.000 That damn kick was lightning fast, man.
02:05:28.000 Lightning fast.
02:05:29.000 Wow.
02:05:29.000 Off the teep.
02:05:30.000 Teep.
02:05:31.000 And then no wind up.
02:05:32.000 No switch.
02:05:33.000 Just cracks him in the face with it.
02:05:34.000 Dude, that's crazy.
02:05:35.000 He's brilliant.
02:05:36.000 That guy's brilliant.
02:05:37.000 But that's a crazy mismatch.
02:05:38.000 So a guy can say, I'll fucking fight this guy.
02:05:41.000 Someone needs to grab you and go, hey man, no.
02:05:45.000 Don't do it.
02:05:46.000 Don't do it.
02:05:47.000 You think you can hit the bag.
02:05:49.000 You think you can hit hard.
02:05:50.000 You think you can do all these things.
02:05:52.000 You're about to get in there with a master.
02:05:54.000 A guy who has mastered this one particularly brutal combat sport.
02:05:58.000 Don't do that.
02:05:59.000 There's nothing worse than when you're in a match when you feel that damn outmatched by somebody.
02:06:05.000 I was doing jujitsu and I think I was going with a Hadra Gracie.
02:06:11.000 I always felt like I was doing pretty.
02:06:13.000 I was like, I feel like I'm pretty alright.
02:06:15.000 And then when I went with him, he was just on me and it was just toying with me.
02:06:21.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:06:22.000 I felt like I couldn't make a right move and I'm just like, man, this sucks.
02:06:26.000 This is the worst.
02:06:27.000 It's the worst.
02:06:28.000 And then he got on top of me.
02:06:29.000 And normally if I get on somebody, I can hold them down pretty well, but it was just a different level.
02:06:35.000 And I'm just like, wow.
02:06:37.000 Yeah, those old school guys like Haja Gracie, Salo Hubera, Shandri Hubero, those guys have that pressure top game.
02:06:48.000 There's something about that old school jiu-jitsu pressure game, but Salo's a master at that.
02:06:55.000 Shandri's a master at that.
02:06:59.000 Rafael Lovato is a master at that.
02:07:00.000 That smashing pressure game.
02:07:03.000 But Hodger is not just a master at that.
02:07:06.000 He's also like, his physical attributes, he's so long and tall.
02:07:10.000 Yeah, that longness and he knows, he's got...
02:07:16.000 Like, you know, that long leverage, that tall strength.
02:07:19.000 Oh, yeah.
02:07:19.000 Oh, man.
02:07:20.000 It's a different kind of strength.
02:07:20.000 It's a different kind of strength than somebody long and tall and strong.
02:07:23.000 Oh, my gosh.
02:07:24.000 Well, that's a big advantage John has.
02:07:26.000 Yes.
02:07:26.000 You see John use that on people.
02:07:28.000 Yeah.
02:07:28.000 That long strength is the best grappling strength.
02:07:31.000 It's like those guys that have that.
02:07:34.000 I feel like that body, that John Jones body is a perfect body for MMA because he's strong.
02:07:39.000 He's tall.
02:07:40.000 He's tall and thin, but he's also strong as fuck.
02:07:44.000 Like, he's muscled enough, but he also has that extra length.
02:07:47.000 Yeah, and his legs are perfect, too.
02:07:49.000 They're skinny.
02:07:50.000 You can go down and get really skinny, so they're really fast, too.
02:07:53.000 I'm just watching him throw kicks.
02:07:55.000 I'm like, man, he's throwing those legs like it's effortless, you know?
02:07:57.000 His calves are ridiculous.
02:07:58.000 They don't even make sense.
02:07:59.000 Like, how are those on your body?
02:08:01.000 Right?
02:08:02.000 How are those on your body?
02:08:03.000 You look at his shoulders.
02:08:04.000 His shoulders are massive.
02:08:06.000 And then they go down those little calves.
02:08:07.000 Like, what's going on here?
02:08:09.000 And he kicks the hell out of you with those little skinny legs, too.
02:08:12.000 Crazy.
02:08:13.000 And there hasn't been many people that have been able to exploit the fact those calves are so small.
02:08:18.000 You would think that with this trend in calf kicks, Tiago Santos tried it.
02:08:24.000 He hit him with some good ones, for sure.
02:08:26.000 But John figures it out, eventually, and then he just starts checking them.
02:08:30.000 He checked most of them against Dominic.
02:08:32.000 Most of those low calf kicks, he checked.
02:08:34.000 He just saw them.
02:08:35.000 I'm coming.
02:08:35.000 How do you even check a lower leg kick?
02:08:37.000 Just turned out.
02:08:39.000 You know, turned out.
02:08:41.000 Just made it so that he was going shin to shin.
02:08:44.000 They went shin to shin a lot.
02:08:45.000 Yeah, I've seen that.
02:08:46.000 It's real hard to check, though.
02:08:48.000 Yeah, it's really hard to check.
02:08:49.000 It's also real hard to just take.
02:08:51.000 You could take those thigh kicks if you're conditioned a little bit.
02:08:55.000 And just like you said, he had to make a choice to take it how he wanted it.
02:08:58.000 But he's still taking the shot.
02:09:00.000 Right, he's still going shin to shin.
02:09:01.000 Yeah, he's still going shin to shin.
02:09:02.000 But they're both feeling it.
02:09:04.000 That's the difference.
02:09:05.000 They're both feeling it.
02:09:05.000 When you get the meaty part of that bone part, that's when you get that sciatic nerve.
02:09:11.000 That's when you shut down like Chandler did.
02:09:14.000 The key had no choice.
02:09:16.000 His leg was like, nope, not today.
02:09:18.000 So Hudo, too, in the second fight with Mighty Mouse, his leg shut down.
02:09:20.000 Yeah, his leg shut down.
02:09:21.000 Yeah, your nerve just shuts off and your foot doesn't work.
02:09:23.000 It's numb.
02:09:24.000 It's just dangling.
02:09:25.000 Try to stand on it, shit just collapses.
02:09:28.000 It's gone.
02:09:28.000 The Chandler fight, they were trying to tell him his leg's broken, and he's like, I'm fucking fine.
02:09:31.000 Leave me alone.
02:09:33.000 I think that fight should not have been stopped.
02:09:36.000 But the referee should know, and the doctor should know, this is what happens if you just give it a few minutes to recover.
02:09:43.000 If he can survive the onslaught during that time, his leg will come back.
02:09:47.000 And I'm thinking Chandler probably would have.
02:09:49.000 And Cejudo, it did.
02:09:50.000 Cejudo figured out how to just sort of chuck and jive with Mighty Mouse.
02:09:55.000 And I don't think Mighty Mouse knew the extent that his leg was numb, but it recovered.
02:09:59.000 When you get hit like that, though, for a second, you're like, this motherfucker's cheating.
02:10:03.000 Like, you feel like...
02:10:05.000 You feel it for a second.
02:10:06.000 You feel like this motherfucker is cheating because it hurts so bad.
02:10:10.000 And it's very rare to have something that hurts you immediately in MMA. There's not many strikes that can hurt you immediately.
02:10:17.000 Right.
02:10:18.000 That's one of them that hurts you.
02:10:20.000 That nerve pain.
02:10:21.000 Yeah, you feel it immediately.
02:10:22.000 Isn't it weird that that went on forever until Benson Henderson started doing it to people?
02:10:26.000 Yeah.
02:10:27.000 He was the first in MMA, in my opinion, at a high level to start chopping at those lower legs.
02:10:32.000 Real low.
02:10:33.000 Real low.
02:10:34.000 Right above the ankle.
02:10:35.000 He'd fuck people up with that.
02:10:36.000 He would kill people with those lower legs.
02:10:37.000 But now, that is the move.
02:10:40.000 Everybody's doing it now.
02:10:41.000 It's a staple.
02:10:42.000 It's funny how MMA does it, though.
02:10:43.000 It goes through all these cycles now.
02:10:45.000 Yeah.
02:10:45.000 And I think now people are really starting to find a home for those oblique kicks that John throws.
02:10:50.000 Yes.
02:10:51.000 The Winkle John camp.
02:10:52.000 They're weird though because if you graze off, it leaves you in a weird place because your foot's turned outward and you can get hit with punches.
02:11:02.000 You're in a weird punching range where you're not in a good stance to fire back because your foot is sort of pronated outside.
02:11:07.000 Yeah, pronated outside.
02:11:08.000 It's a great kick though.
02:11:10.000 You know who fucking throws the shit out of that?
02:11:12.000 Lorenz Larkin.
02:11:13.000 Oh yeah.
02:11:13.000 He throws that shit to the body.
02:11:15.000 When he fought Neil Magny, he threw that oblique kick to the body.
02:11:18.000 And I was like, oh my goodness.
02:11:19.000 That motherfucking kick though.
02:11:21.000 He's good.
02:11:22.000 He can kick.
02:11:22.000 When I'm watching him kick, I'm just like, oh my gosh.
02:11:25.000 Yeah.
02:11:26.000 He's so fast, too.
02:11:27.000 Oh, my God.
02:11:28.000 I was really interested to see how he was going to do over in Bellator.
02:11:33.000 But then he had that crazy war with Paul Daly.
02:11:35.000 You can't get in a war with Paul Daly.
02:11:37.000 That dude's left hand is one of the best weapons in the sport, period.
02:11:41.000 He got that one-hitter.
02:11:42.000 He got that heat.
02:11:43.000 He has...
02:11:44.000 That left hand's ridiculous.
02:11:46.000 It's crazy, right?
02:11:47.000 It's stupid.
02:11:49.000 It's power.
02:11:50.000 It's stupid just to have that kind of power in his hands like that.
02:11:52.000 There's certain guys that just have that.
02:11:54.000 Like Rumble.
02:11:55.000 Oh my gosh.
02:11:56.000 Rumble.
02:11:56.000 And now he's going to come back as a heavyweight, he said.
02:11:58.000 Yeah, and he's looking good.
02:12:00.000 He's in training now.
02:12:01.000 Dude, Rumble versus Dominic Reyes.
02:12:03.000 How about that?
02:12:07.000 Rumble scares the fuck out of everybody.
02:12:10.000 You might beat him, but you also might get knocked into another dimension.
02:12:13.000 Because he hits like...
02:12:16.000 I mean, he's been my trainer partner for the longest time.
02:12:21.000 And he knows.
02:12:22.000 I'm like, Rumble, you know, don't...
02:12:23.000 Don't hurt me.
02:12:24.000 Yeah, don't be going crazy, man.
02:12:26.000 I ain't go crazy.
02:12:27.000 I ain't go crazy.
02:12:29.000 And we train.
02:12:30.000 We train smart.
02:12:31.000 But, I mean, there's a couple times he hit me.
02:12:33.000 I'm like, man, I'm not your friend anymore.
02:12:34.000 Don't fucking talk to me.
02:12:35.000 Don't you fucking talk to me.
02:12:37.000 I told you don't hit me like that.
02:12:39.000 Dude, when he knocked out Glover with one punch, I was like, holy shit.
02:12:42.000 You do that to Glover, Teixeira?
02:12:44.000 I know.
02:12:44.000 That's crazy.
02:12:45.000 That's crazy.
02:12:46.000 The thing about his punches is you can't really gauge how...
02:12:50.000 You don't know which one is going to be that shot because they come at...
02:12:55.000 He likes to move his hands around a lot, too, while he's throwing punches.
02:12:58.000 Yeah, so you don't know which one's going to be the one to touch you.
02:13:01.000 Yeah, and they come from all angles.
02:13:02.000 Here he is in shape now.
02:13:03.000 He's been training with hoofed.
02:13:05.000 He looks good.
02:13:05.000 He looks gigantic.
02:13:06.000 It's so hard to believe that guy was ever 170. I am so baffled by how the fuck he made that weight.
02:13:13.000 So this is over at the New Gym Stanford.
02:13:15.000 Look at him, man.
02:13:16.000 Just...
02:13:17.000 So what is the new gym called?
02:13:18.000 It's called Stanford.
02:13:19.000 The team's called Stanford MMA now.
02:13:21.000 Okay, and who's running that?
02:13:24.000 It's the same people as Henry Hoof.
02:13:27.000 Sanford?
02:13:28.000 Yeah, Sanford.
02:13:29.000 No T. Sanford MMA. Yeah, and so it's all the Black Zillion guys?
02:13:34.000 Yep, all the Black Zillion guys.
02:13:36.000 Look at that, Rory and Robbie Law are training together there now.
02:13:39.000 Yeah, Rory's been there getting some work in the last couple weeks.
02:13:42.000 How long has this gym been around for?
02:13:45.000 Man, so this is H Kickboxing.
02:13:47.000 Oh, okay.
02:13:48.000 It just has a different name.
02:13:49.000 Yeah, just different name.
02:13:50.000 So we just now moved into that gym on a more consistent basis.
02:13:54.000 It looks beautiful.
02:13:55.000 Yeah, I mean, they spent, I think, like a couple million on it.
02:13:58.000 They spent some money on that gym.
02:14:00.000 And this is in the same place as where the Black Zillians was, the same area?
02:14:05.000 Same area, yeah.
02:14:06.000 So we had the Black Zillian gym, and then we went to a gym that was at this...
02:14:13.000 This like amusement park for kids.
02:14:15.000 It was like, it's called Extreme Action Park.
02:14:18.000 And that's where we had a section that we had there.
02:14:20.000 And then they also added this gym too.
02:14:23.000 So now they're going to have, they're going to keep that gym at Extreme Action Park, but also keep this one.
02:14:28.000 South Florida, man.
02:14:29.000 What a hotbed for martial arts, right?
02:14:31.000 It really is, man.
02:14:32.000 So much jujitsu down there.
02:14:33.000 Oh man, you can...
02:14:34.000 Yeah.
02:14:35.000 You got Cyborg right down the street, and Cyborg is amazing, and Mario Sperry not too far down.
02:14:41.000 What happened with Mario?
02:14:42.000 Because Mario was the head coach for a while of the Black Zillions, right?
02:14:46.000 And he was inspirational as fuck.
02:14:48.000 Oh, Mario was the best, man.
02:14:48.000 He would give those speeches, and I was like, ooh, I get goosebumps.
02:14:51.000 Yeah, Mario was the best.
02:14:52.000 I just think that him and...
02:14:54.000 Him and Glenn didn't work out when it came time to it and all the work and chemistry together, you know, because that was the hardest thing because, you know, having all those different coaches and trying to not only have them get along with the fighters, but then have them get along with each other and not try to fight for that, you know, who's the main coach and who's the main guy, you know, and that's...
02:15:14.000 You know, coaches sometimes have bigger egos than the fighters.
02:15:17.000 Right.
02:15:17.000 And sometimes it's more deadly because they they they're they're not accomplished.
02:15:22.000 And a lot of times they're they're coaching because they don't feel that accomplishment, you know, so that coaching becomes that thing that they they want to be validated for.
02:15:30.000 Right.
02:15:31.000 And, you know.
02:15:33.000 It's so hard to find that balance.
02:15:36.000 And the ones who find it, they're so cherished.
02:15:39.000 The guys like Mark Henry, the guys like Trevor Whitman, you know?
02:15:43.000 I mean, those...
02:15:44.000 Farah Sahabi, Duke Rufus, those coaches that are, like, legit coaches that everybody loves, man.
02:15:50.000 They're so cherished.
02:15:51.000 They are, man.
02:15:52.000 They're so valuable.
02:15:52.000 Because, also for a fighter, like, Trevor Whitman's holding pads for you.
02:15:56.000 Like, holy fuck, I'm training with Trevor motherfucking Whitman.
02:15:59.000 Yeah.
02:15:59.000 You know what I mean?
02:16:00.000 There's something to that.
02:16:01.000 If you go to Montreal and you're in Ferasa Hobby's gym, you're like, holy shit, that is Ferasa Hobby talking to me.
02:16:07.000 Absolutely, man.
02:16:08.000 There's some power to that.
02:16:09.000 There's some power.
02:16:09.000 And you start to believe it.
02:16:11.000 You start to believe anything they're saying.
02:16:12.000 If he tells you you're good, outstanding, excellent.
02:16:16.000 Ferasa, you're like, oh shit, Ferasa just said that.
02:16:19.000 Yeah.
02:16:20.000 It's crazy, man, to see, like, where these, like, for us, I remember when he wasn't even a coach, he was just a fighter.
02:16:25.000 Like, when I first started going to Montreal, he wasn't the coach yet.
02:16:29.000 He was still fighting, yeah.
02:16:31.000 Wow.
02:16:32.000 He was still fighting.
02:16:33.000 He's such a good coach.
02:16:34.000 He is phenomenal.
02:16:35.000 But he's such a, He's a genius person.
02:16:37.000 When you talk to him, there's a perspective on things.
02:16:39.000 He's always recommending books and shit.
02:16:41.000 He's always recommending...
02:16:42.000 Listen to this guy.
02:16:44.000 He told me about a competitive shooter.
02:16:47.000 What is that guy's name?
02:16:48.000 Lammy?
02:16:50.000 The guy who wrote The Winning Mindset?
02:16:55.000 Lammy.
02:16:56.000 I wrote it down somewhere.
02:16:57.000 I have the book at home that I've been reading lately.
02:17:01.000 Where the fuck is it?
02:17:04.000 God damn it.
02:17:04.000 I can't remember.
02:17:06.000 But anyway, point is he's always recommending me shit.
02:17:09.000 He's always got something interesting that he's been paying attention to that he can relate to MMA and to fighting.
02:17:16.000 He's very, very keenly aware of the mental battles that are going on and how much visualization is important in meditating.
02:17:24.000 Lamy Bassem.
02:17:25.000 Lamy Bassem, yeah.
02:17:27.000 The guy was a competitive target shooter, and he spent more time practicing in his head than he did practicing.
02:17:37.000 Wow.
02:17:38.000 More time visualizing.
02:17:39.000 That works.
02:17:40.000 That really does work.
02:17:41.000 It does something.
02:17:42.000 Because when I was hurt for the Rampage fight, like in training camp, I would visualize a lot.
02:17:49.000 How would you do it?
02:17:50.000 I would just sit there and I would just kind of like, I would go through moves in my mind and I would go through techniques and I would just kind of go over and over again to techniques in my mind.
02:17:59.000 I would also do scenarios where I fight in almost every single situation.
02:18:04.000 Like I find myself, you know, losing and then finding a way to come back after I've been rocked, you know, and just trying to find myself just mentally working through it, mentally working a lot through it.
02:18:16.000 Almost every single fight, like I'll go round by round.
02:18:19.000 Really?
02:18:20.000 Yeah, I go round by round and I'll just like, okay, I'll set up the scenario.
02:18:24.000 Okay, I'll come out and I'll catch him with a punch.
02:18:25.000 And then I'm just imagining what happens after that.
02:18:28.000 And then I put myself in adversity every single time I can, as much as I can.
02:18:34.000 So then that way I find myself always, you know, I get myself out of adversity.
02:18:39.000 Sometimes I just find myself just smoking them.
02:18:41.000 But it's always these different mental games and me just doing something, executing and always just doing it right.
02:18:48.000 So it's almost like you were fighting without having to fight.
02:18:50.000 You were getting the experience of fighting in your head by just visualizing it.
02:18:55.000 Would you set a certain amount of time that you would do it?
02:18:57.000 No, I would just go with the flow.
02:19:00.000 I had my wrestling coach in college, Tom Minkle, he was always on...
02:19:08.000 I get nervous.
02:19:09.000 I get nervous.
02:19:10.000 I don't know what to do with the nervousness.
02:19:11.000 And he says, well, you're nervous because you're thinking too much about it.
02:19:15.000 He said, just think about executing.
02:19:17.000 Don't think about the outcome.
02:19:18.000 Just think about executing your technique.
02:19:20.000 And just only think about executing your technique and how it feels to...
02:19:24.000 Complete the perfect execution of the technique.
02:19:27.000 When you hit the pad and it hits that, and it sounds that, you know, they hear that pop, you know, how does that feel?
02:19:32.000 You know, become attached to how you feel when you execute something.
02:19:37.000 And then that's what you start to base your fight off of, you know, how you feel when you execute versus all the things that can happen if something goes wrong.
02:19:47.000 Yeah, it's really interesting to see the different strategies that people employ in order to, like, focus the mind.
02:19:54.000 You know, so many different fighters have different ways of doing it.
02:19:58.000 Some fighters like to meditate.
02:19:59.000 Some fighters like to shadowbox their way through scenarios.
02:20:03.000 Almost like they're thinking about how the fight's gonna go down while they're, like, slow motion doing things, you know?
02:20:10.000 Yeah, I would get in the mirror sometimes.
02:20:11.000 I'll yell in the mirror.
02:20:13.000 I'll, like, yell out the fear, like, come on!
02:20:16.000 I would get into it because a lot of times I would get so nervous that I would be like, oh my God, I just don't want to freeze out there.
02:20:28.000 I just don't want to freeze, you know?
02:20:29.000 So that's part of the reason why I started twisting my nipples.
02:20:33.000 I'd go out there and I'd twist my nipples before the fight, and that was just to kind of do something stupid and silly, but then it would allow me to just kind of relax, because I'm like, well, I'm not going to embarrass myself any worse than that.
02:20:44.000 LAUGHTER That's funny.
02:20:47.000 I remember always wanting to ask you about that.
02:20:51.000 Why do you guys do that?
02:20:52.000 I would just do it just like, you know, I'm not gonna embarrass myself worse than that.
02:20:55.000 Did George used to do that shit too?
02:20:56.000 George would do it, yeah.
02:20:57.000 George would do it because, you know, he...
02:20:59.000 I don't know.
02:21:01.000 I think he didn't like the way his nipples look when he first came out the shirt.
02:21:06.000 I'm being honest.
02:21:07.000 I think that's a funny thing to think about.
02:21:08.000 They look a little too puffy or something.
02:21:10.000 He didn't like the way they look.
02:21:11.000 That's funny.
02:21:12.000 Some people don't like puffy nipples, man.
02:21:15.000 Pull on them and yank on them and shit.
02:21:17.000 Yeah, man.
02:21:17.000 Nipples on guys are weird things anyway.
02:21:20.000 I know.
02:21:20.000 It's really popular.
02:21:21.000 It looks even worse.
02:21:22.000 Yeah.
02:21:23.000 Well, some dudes have like big areolas.
02:21:25.000 Yeah.
02:21:25.000 And they're real embarrassed.
02:21:26.000 They don't want to take their shirt off.
02:21:27.000 They don't want to take your shirt off with a big areola.
02:21:30.000 With a girl, it doesn't matter at all.
02:21:32.000 But a guy with a big areola is like, whoa, what's happening here, man?
02:21:36.000 What's going on there?
02:21:37.000 The titties just hanging out like that?
02:21:38.000 Weird.
02:21:39.000 It's pornographic.
02:21:39.000 It's pornographic.
02:21:40.000 That's what it is.
02:21:41.000 For dudes, when they get fat, that's a bummer, man, when they develop man tits.
02:21:44.000 Oh, my gosh.
02:21:45.000 I know.
02:21:46.000 That's a bummer.
02:21:46.000 And when they don't care, they can slap you with them and stuff like that, too.
02:21:49.000 Oh, no.
02:21:49.000 That's terrible.
02:21:53.000 Oh, my gosh.
02:21:54.000 I'm just glad I didn't have nothing like that.
02:21:56.000 I did get big to have some booby weight, but not that dang big.
02:22:02.000 What do you do most of the time now?
02:22:05.000 What do you occupy your days with?
02:22:10.000 I know you're doing a lot of analyst work.
02:22:12.000 Yeah, so I still do the analyst work, but I also try to do as much as I can with Onyx, and I still do my training and things like that.
02:22:22.000 But I also work with CBS a little bit, doing analyst stuff for them.
02:22:30.000 But I'm still in that space, just trying to figure out that next thing, that That I align with, you know, and that's why I'm so excited to work with unlimited sciences, you know, and doing something I'm passionate about, because I'm passionate about psychedelics.
02:22:44.000 You know, that's what I really like, and I think that that can help people.
02:22:50.000 You know, now I'm to the point where I just want to help people.
02:22:53.000 You know, that's where I'm at in my life.
02:22:56.000 I feel as if, like, you know, I lived a lot of my life for myself at this point, you know, and I've accomplished some great things, but now I'm to the point where I just want to Be able to help other people achieve what they want to in life and just be a part of that.
02:23:11.000 That's what really resonates in me more than anything right now.
02:23:16.000 That's beautiful.
02:23:17.000 That's beautiful.
02:23:18.000 I mean, it's real, man.
02:23:19.000 I know it's real.
02:23:20.000 That's why it's beautiful.
02:23:22.000 I'm glad we talked, man, because I had a feeling it was going to go like this.
02:23:25.000 Yeah, I'm too, man.
02:23:26.000 I had a good time, man.
02:23:29.000 It's definitely something, you know, I've watched you for a long time on your show and honestly speaking, you know, when I first started to, you know, awaken and wanted to understand a lot about these entheogens, you know, I would listen to Joe Rogan and I would listen to your podcast and just, you know, the amount of information you shared and, you know, the people, the guests that you had on, you know, you always have a great experience.
02:23:50.000 People who speak with some knowledge that I can't even comprehend sometimes.
02:23:54.000 And that's what it's about.
02:23:56.000 You feel like when I watch this show, it's such a good tool to learn.
02:24:00.000 And thank you for that.
02:24:02.000 My pleasure, brother.
02:24:03.000 Thank you for being here, man.
02:24:04.000 I really enjoyed it.
02:24:05.000 It was awesome.
02:24:05.000 Thank you.
02:24:06.000 Oh, if people want to get a hold of you, social media, give us your social media, your Instagram, Twitter.
02:24:12.000 Yeah, you can check me out at Shigarashad Evans at Instagram.
02:24:19.000 And if anybody wants to be involved in that study, it's unlimitedsciences.org.
02:24:24.000 And, you know, they can go in and sign up and everything will be, you know, it's HIPAA. So that HIPAA protected so that no one's information would get out.
02:24:33.000 And, you know, after they send an email, the information would be destroyed.
02:24:37.000 Okay.
02:24:38.000 So that's about it.
02:24:40.000 Thank you, brother.
02:24:41.000 I appreciate you being here, man.
02:24:41.000 It was awesome.
02:24:42.000 Rashad Evans, ladies and gentlemen.