The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #92 with Angela Hill

00:00:01.000 Two.

00:00:05.000 Good.

00:00:06.000 Hello, Angela.

00:00:06.000 What's going on?

00:00:07.000 Hi.

00:00:07.000 What's up?

00:00:07.000 I was amazed you'd get those headphones on.

00:00:09.000 I was wondering.

00:00:10.000 Yeah.

00:00:11.000 You got the best afro in the game, for sure. 0.98

00:00:13.000 Who's even close?

00:00:14.000 It condenses.

00:00:15.000 I mean, Caceres got me beat, though.

00:00:17.000 Alex Caceres.

00:00:18.000 Yeah.

00:00:18.000 He gets crazy.

00:00:20.000 Yeah.

00:00:20.000 That's my goal.

00:00:21.000 Those are my hair goals, is to get a nice, big, fluffy fro like his.

00:00:25.000 When he fights, I always wonder.

00:00:26.000 That seems like it would be harder to pull out of things.

00:00:31.000 Don't you think?

00:00:32.000 No, it's actually, it's kind of like, you know, those connecting joints where it's like, it's kind of like a big ball that goes in, but like when you pull it out, it's like, I don't know.

00:00:43.000 It pulls out easier.

00:00:44.000 It pulls out easier.

00:00:45.000 Yeah, it's kind of like a, like a joint like that.

00:00:47.000 So like, you think you have a good grip, but then the hair just like, you know, like it convinces.

00:00:53.000 Especially like if you put grease in your hair or hair conditioning or anything that makes it extra slippery, right?

00:00:58.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:01:00.000 But it's just the fact that it can go small, even though it doesn't look like it.

00:01:06.000 I feel like people think they have a better grip than they do.

00:01:09.000 I think my title fight at Invicta, the girl locked on maybe three or four guillotines. 1.00

00:01:17.000 And every time I was just like...

00:01:19.000 You know, like it just like popped out.

00:01:22.000 And people kept going, it's deep, it's deep.

00:01:24.000 But like, I swear to God, my afro gets me out of tight situations.

00:01:28.000 It's interesting with women fighting, like there's options. 1.00

00:01:31.000 And one of the options is clothes.

00:01:33.000 Like the way you wear your upper, like your top can have a big impact if you're a grappler.

00:01:38.000 Yeah.

00:01:39.000 I always felt, well, I guess I don't feel like that anymore because I realized with all the costume malfunctions and stuff, it can be a big deal, especially if you're really packing.

00:01:51.000 I used to hate on girls who would fight in shirts. 1.00

00:01:55.000 I'm like, come on, man, you're a fighter.

00:01:57.000 Let your stomach out.

00:01:58.000 This is like a fight fight because things get tangled up and stuff, especially if the shirt isn't super tight.

00:02:05.000 Right.

00:02:06.000 Like, even the girl that I'm fighting in, Auckland, she has something weird where, like, I think the other girl was, like, pulling on her shirt.

00:02:13.000 So, like, in between the first and second round, they took her shirt off. 0.99

00:02:17.000 So, like, fuck it. 1.00

00:02:18.000 This is, like, kind of messing up your groove. 1.00

00:02:21.000 Well, you get in options, right? 0.64

00:02:23.000 It's not like you have to have your midriff exposed, which is kind of interesting.

00:02:27.000 Because it should be uniform, right?

00:02:29.000 Shouldn't it?

00:02:30.000 I mean, women's MMA is the only place where you can make a choice to be stickier, right? 1.00

00:02:35.000 If you're a grappler in particular, if you have like a full shirt on, you can definitely hold on to someone better.

00:02:41.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:02:44.000 I don't know.

00:02:45.000 I feel like just the boob thing, you know? 0.99

00:02:48.000 You can't have tits out. 1.00

00:02:49.000 Like, not as a fighter. 0.99

00:02:51.000 Like, it's okay for the ring card girls to like... 1.00

00:02:54.000 You know, walk around the cleavage out.

00:02:56.000 But the fighters, like, I don't know, they're trying to, I guess, make it more of an, like, okay, these girls are athletes, so don't stare at the cleavage while they're fighting. 1.00

00:03:06.000 Yeah, it's a fine line, right?

00:03:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:09.000 Because you're, you know, basically in your underwear, almost.

00:03:12.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:03:13.000 Pretty much.

00:03:14.000 Baiting suits.

00:03:15.000 But, I don't know.

00:03:16.000 I always had this joke with, like, my teammates that I was going to get famous by being, like, the nip slipper.

00:03:23.000 Like, I would use, like, certain, like, Muay Thai clinch techniques to just, like, whoop, pop the girl's boob out. 1.00

00:03:30.000 So I'd always get to fight the popular girls because, like, they knew, oh, she's fighting Paige Van Zandt. 1.00

00:03:35.000 We're going to see some Paige Van Zandt titties, you know? 0.95

00:03:38.000 And I would just, like, you know, raise my stock.

00:03:41.000 So I haven't done it, though.

00:03:43.000 But you thought about it in training?

00:03:44.000 I thought about it.

00:03:45.000 Only in training?

00:03:45.000 Only in training.

00:03:46.000 I tried on the guys in the gym.

00:03:48.000 Lift their shirt up.

00:03:49.000 Oops, sorry.

00:03:50.000 Has anybody ever done that on purpose in a fight?

00:03:53.000 That you know of?

00:03:54.000 I don't know.

00:03:55.000 I think the one person it backfired with was, I don't remember who she was fighting, but Leslie Smith's boob popped out once. 1.00

00:04:02.000 Did it really? 0.99

00:04:03.000 Yeah, in one of her Invicta fights, and she did not give a fuck. 1.00

00:04:07.000 Oh, she's crazy. 1.00

00:04:08.000 Yeah, she's crazy. 1.00

00:04:09.000 Her ear was hanging off her head in that Jessica I fight. 1.00

00:04:11.000 Oh my god, yeah.

00:04:12.000 You could see into her head.

00:04:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:14.000 She was like, don't stop the fight, don't stop the fight.

00:04:17.000 I was like... 0.57

00:04:17.000 This girl's gangster. 0.57

00:04:19.000 She's insane. 0.98

00:04:19.000 I love her. 0.98

00:04:20.000 I love her.

00:04:21.000 And she's so nice and such a hippie outside of that. 0.98

00:04:26.000 So it's a really funny...

00:04:27.000 What is she doing now? 0.98

00:04:28.000 She's still trying to start some MMA union, right? 1.00

00:04:32.000 She's still going hard with the union.

00:04:35.000 She's in Bellator now.

00:04:36.000 But I think the union that she was working on was only for UFC fighters, I believe.

00:04:43.000 So I think she's still doing that.

00:04:46.000 I think she's still fighting for the UFC fighters, even though she's not in the UFC. I haven't looked into that.

00:04:53.000 I haven't looked at what do they want, what are they trying to accomplish, what's not correct that they want to fix.

00:05:01.000 I think just any grievances that the fighters have in general, so like healthcare, salary, just things that everyone kind of agrees on is like not good enough yet in the UFC. I think those are the things that they're working towards.

00:05:22.000 How does healthcare work?

00:05:23.000 Are you guys covered in training or are you only covered for fights?

00:05:26.000 As far as I know, if you book a fight and you get injured, I think they cover it.

00:05:33.000 But I think it's also a gray area where they could not cover it and they're not legally obligated to fix you.

00:05:42.000 But I think in the past they have.

00:05:45.000 I'm not sure.

00:05:46.000 I can't think of any examples where they haven't taken care of the medical expenses of someone who got hurt.

00:05:56.000 But I know a lot of times fighters don't claim it in time, like after fights, or it's a little nagging injury that becomes a big deal further down the line.

00:06:06.000 And it happened in a fight, but they waited too long?

00:06:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:10.000 Either that or just wear and tear from training in general.

00:06:15.000 I can't go in for a loose tooth or a shoulder that I tore in practice if I wasn't getting ready for a fight.

00:06:24.000 Well, that seems so crazy because you're obviously fighting in the UFC. You have a long-term contract.

00:06:28.000 You've been fighting in the UFC for years.

00:06:30.000 If you're training, you're training to fight in the UFC. Yeah, exactly.

00:06:34.000 And I think a lot of instances, they still take care of the fighter, but I know if you're on the lower end, if you haven't really made a name for yourself yet, sometimes, even if you just don't ask,

00:06:49.000 you don't get taken care of.

00:06:51.000 It's not like...

00:06:52.000 It's not in your contract once you sign, like, oh, I'm going to fight this many fights.

00:06:57.000 But there's nothing in there that says if I get injured after signing this contract, I'm covered medically.

00:07:05.000 So, yeah, I think that was the main reason I was like, oh, this is a good idea.

00:07:11.000 Just because, like, I know so many fighters who book fights just to get their injuries taken care of.

00:07:17.000 Or they'll fight injured and claim an old injury.

00:07:23.000 And that's their way of fixing whatever they broke during training. 0.98

00:07:29.000 That sucks. 0.98

00:07:30.000 It's horrible. 1.00

00:07:31.000 It's such a fucking crazy way to make a living, period. 1.00

00:07:35.000 It's like you're deciding you're going to throw your bones at someone and try to break their arms and try to rip their legs apart. 0.99

00:07:43.000 And then you're going to practice that all the time.

00:07:46.000 And then you're going to hope you don't get hurt in practice to the point where you can't actually just go do it inside the octagon.

00:07:51.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:07:52.000 And most of my injuries happen outside of camp because I'm either training stupid, training with someone who I shouldn't be training with, like someone too big or too inexperienced, or I'm just like fucking around. 0.94

00:08:06.000 Like when I'm fighting someone who's my size, it's a lot less likely that I get injured. 0.99

00:08:10.000 Right.

00:08:10.000 But when I'm throwing my bones, like you said, at somebody who's way bigger, then it's easy.

00:08:15.000 I can hurt my hand punching them, you know, or break my toe, like, kicking them, you know?

00:08:22.000 Well, that's, for someone like you who fights at 115 pounds, it's even more difficult, right?

00:08:27.000 Because the lack of people that are your size to train with, and you also train a lot with men, and it's...

00:08:35.000 It's crazy because at a professional level, you're right there. 0.96

00:08:39.000 You just beat the shit out of Hannah Cyphers. 1.00

00:08:41.000 It was a crazy fight. 0.91

00:08:42.000 Thank you.

00:08:44.000 But that was a big fight for you.

00:08:46.000 Yeah.

00:08:46.000 You're in the heat right now.

00:08:48.000 Yeah.

00:08:49.000 You're right there.

00:08:50.000 Yeah, I'm excited.

00:08:51.000 So for you, you're at the top of the heap in this championship realm, right?

00:08:57.000 Yeah.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:05.000 Yeah.

00:09:17.000 Dangerous is training with, like, some of the bigger guys.

00:09:20.000 Like, guys and girls are kind of, like, different sizes.

00:09:23.000 Like, if I'm training with a guy who fights at 115, he's going to be, like, four foot tall.

00:09:29.000 You know, so it's, like, the weight distribution is different.

00:09:34.000 But, like, I don't know.

00:09:35.000 Something about...

00:09:37.000 I guess training with women, like the strength, the force that's coming at you versus the force you're giving to them, I just feel like it's a lot safer to train with women.

00:09:46.000 Oh, for sure.

00:09:47.000 For sure.

00:09:48.000 But some people think that the opposite is that if you train with men, like say if you were training with a bunch of bantamweight men, yeah, they would be bigger than you, yeah, they'd be stronger than you, but you'd get used to that.

00:09:57.000 And then you'd be used to men, and then when you fight with women, they would seem smaller and weaker. 0.99

00:10:01.000 Yeah, that was my old theory.

00:10:04.000 So when I was at my little gym in New York, I was only training with guys.

00:10:11.000 The girls that would come in, they weren't at my level, and that's the same story that most girls in the UFC have. 1.00

00:10:19.000 They were at the top of their heap.

00:10:20.000 They were like the baddest girl in the gym, you know, beating up all the other girls and hanging with the guys. 0.99

00:10:25.000 And that was me.

00:10:26.000 So it wasn't until I got on tough that I realized like everyone has the same exact background.

00:10:35.000 So everyone's tough.

00:10:37.000 Yeah.

00:10:47.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 You know?

00:11:00.000 So it's good to, like, still have those checks and balances.

00:11:03.000 Like, okay, like, yeah, maybe she's not as strong as the guys I train with, but she is going as hard as she can.

00:11:10.000 Or she's defending it as hard as she can.

00:11:12.000 Or, you know, she's taking my punches that I thought, like, oh, if I drop this guy with this punch, then this girl's gonna get dropped too. 1.00

00:11:19.000 And it's not the case.

00:11:20.000 Like, she's just as tough as tougher. 0.88

00:11:22.000 So it's, like, a weird thing where, like, you have, like...

00:11:26.000 I don't know.

00:11:27.000 You have different stats stacked in some areas that guys don't.

00:11:33.000 And then they have stats stacked in areas that women don't. 1.00

00:11:36.000 So it's like if I was a Bantamweight guy who only trained with...

00:11:45.000 Light heavyweights.

00:11:47.000 You're going to be faster.

00:11:50.000 You're probably going to be more technical just because you have to train with people that big.

00:11:54.000 So if you fuck up a technique, it's not going to work.

00:11:57.000 But those guys are still going to be bigger and stronger and be able to muscle you, hold you down, that kind of thing. 0.98

00:12:02.000 So I feel like that's a similar difference.

00:12:05.000 Particularly with striking, right?

00:12:07.000 Like with grappling, there's some really little guys that are impossible to tap.

00:12:11.000 They just develop really crazy technique.

00:12:13.000 But with striking, there's only so much you could do.

00:12:17.000 You know, if you're a lightweight guy, you're not sparring with Francis Ngannou.

00:12:19.000 Or if you are, he better be really, really, really nice.

00:12:22.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:12:23.000 Or you better be nice to him so he doesn't go like, all right, little motherfucker, boom! 1.00

00:12:27.000 If you're not, he's not even going to notice it. 0.99

00:12:29.000 If you're not nice to him, it's not even going to work.

00:12:31.000 Well, no, I've actually, like, been told off for going hard with the heavyweights.

00:12:35.000 Really?

00:12:36.000 When I was, like, you know, just coming up, like, super green, and, like, I was just like, I'm gonna kill everyone in the gym!

00:12:42.000 And, like, there's this little thing, like, running at you, throwing overhands.

00:12:45.000 And, like, when it land, like, my coach would be like, hey, you gotta relax, because, like, you're landing overhands on this big guy.

00:12:53.000 If he does the same to you, he's gonna put you out. 0.77

00:12:55.000 And I was like, shit, I never thought about that, because I just assumed, like... 0.99

00:12:58.000 He wouldn't. 0.99

00:12:59.000 Yeah, well, not that.

00:13:01.000 I just assumed that me landing a hard punch on a heavyweight isn't going to hurt as much as me landing a hard punch on someone closer to my size.

00:13:10.000 Does that make sense?

00:13:12.000 No, it won't.

00:13:13.000 Their neck is bigger.

00:13:14.000 Yeah, everything's bigger.

00:13:15.000 But it's still like if the guy is getting rocked.

00:13:18.000 Right.

00:13:19.000 If he gets mad at you and fires back.

00:13:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:22.000 If he's getting his head turned.

00:13:24.000 Your chin can only take so much. 0.79

00:13:27.000 It's a lot less than if I was throwing a body shot. 0.88

00:13:31.000 It's a little easier to be mean there.

00:13:34.000 Right.

00:13:35.000 You've obviously gone through some improvements and some changes.

00:13:40.000 What's changed with you over the last four or five fights?

00:13:43.000 Because you keep getting steadily better, but particularly the last two.

00:13:49.000 I think you should be on a four-fight win streak.

00:13:51.000 Oh, stop.

00:13:53.000 Well, you had that one decision.

00:13:56.000 I forget how to pronounce her name.

00:13:59.000 Xiaonanian? 0.88

00:14:00.000 Yeah, is that how you say it?

00:14:01.000 How do you say it?

00:14:03.000 I don't know how to say it, but Xiaonanian, I think.

00:14:07.000 That's the lady who had in the triangle. 1.00

00:14:09.000 Yeah, and she's on this card too.

00:14:12.000 Oh, okay.

00:14:12.000 The Auckland card.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, I thought that was a bad decision.

00:14:15.000 Thank you.

00:14:15.000 But you had her locked up in the...

00:14:17.000 Sometimes when I do commentary, people get mad at me, like either the fighters or other people, but that was one where fans of her got mad at me. 0.89

00:14:26.000 Because you guys were right in front, and you had her in a triangle, and I was yelling, pulled ahead.

00:14:32.000 I was yelling, pull her head! 0.97

00:14:33.000 Pull her head! 1.00

00:14:34.000 Because you had it locked up!

00:14:36.000 It was locked up!

00:14:37.000 I'm like, she's got it!

00:14:37.000 She's got it!

00:14:38.000 She's got it!

00:14:38.000 I'm like, pull the head!

00:14:39.000 Pull the head! 1.00

00:14:40.000 And people are like, you fucking dick telling her to pull the head! 1.00

00:14:43.000 Well, I didn't hear, or if I heard you, I thought you were my corner. 1.00

00:14:47.000 I did hear someone say, you were literally right there.

00:14:50.000 It's like, I can't help.

00:14:53.000 It's like you had it.

00:14:54.000 You really had it.

00:14:56.000 It was so locked in. 1.00

00:14:57.000 But I felt like that was a shit decision. 0.99

00:14:59.000 It wasn't the worst decision I've ever seen. 0.99

00:15:01.000 We've seen some really bad ones lately, but it was not good.

00:15:04.000 So that would have put you on a four-fight win streak.

00:15:06.000 But the Hannah Cyphers one, Hannah Cyphers is tough.

00:15:09.000 And she's like physically tough. 0.99

00:15:11.000 She's like a strong girl.

00:15:13.000 And when you got her down and smashed her with those elbows, I was like, something's going on.

00:15:18.000 Like you're on another level.

00:15:21.000 Do you feel it?

00:15:22.000 Yeah, I do.

00:15:23.000 I do.

00:15:24.000 I don't know.

00:15:26.000 I had a lot of, I don't know, I guess, ups and downs in my career.

00:15:33.000 It's literally like up, down, up, down, win, loss, and win, loss.

00:15:37.000 And I think after the Randa fight, I fought Randa Marcos about this time last year.

00:15:44.000 And I was just so pissed at the way that went down because I was super nervous going into it.

00:15:50.000 I felt like that was going to be a fight that kind of set me above the heap because Randa's so tough and she kind of has that same up-down that I do. 0.99

00:16:00.000 So I'm like, okay, this is going to set me apart.

00:16:03.000 I'm going to get a streak going.

00:16:04.000 This is going to be the fight that puts me in the rankings.

00:16:06.000 And I... And I put a lot of weight on it.

00:16:08.000 And I had ESPN follow me that week too.

00:16:12.000 So I was just super nervous.

00:16:14.000 And the entire time during the fight, I wasn't in the fight.

00:16:18.000 I was overthinking every position.

00:16:22.000 There was a point where I had ran up against the game.

00:16:25.000 And the fight seems like...

00:16:27.000 It was 30 minutes long, even though it was two minutes.

00:16:31.000 But the moment that I had her up against the cage, I remember just thinking, oh, if I hold her here, she can't do anything to me.

00:16:38.000 And that's the exact opposite of what you should be thinking in a fight.

00:16:42.000 You should be thinking, I need to hurt her. 0.97

00:16:45.000 I need to hurt her. 0.99

00:16:46.000 I need to do whatever it takes to look like I'm trying to finish the fight. 0.98

00:16:51.000 So I hesitated.

00:16:52.000 My corner was yelling elbow.

00:16:54.000 I didn't throw the elbow, ran it through the elbow.

00:16:57.000 And then from there, I was just like, like two steps behind, I felt like.

00:17:01.000 And so that fog was a really weird thing for me, because I had never really thought about the mental side.

00:17:08.000 Of fighting.

00:17:09.000 Like, I thought I was doing everything right.

00:17:11.000 Like, I would visualize and, you know, tell myself all positive things and, you know, do everything that you think you have to do before a fight.

00:17:22.000 But that just kind of showed me, like, I'm not doing enough.

00:17:26.000 Because I knew I had the skills to beat her, or at least the skills to make it look more competitive, but I didn't show it.

00:17:32.000 Do you think it was the added element of the cameras following you around that just put this additional pressure?

00:17:36.000 Yeah, like the pressure was already there, and then I found out about the ESPN thing, and I feel like it was just me over...

00:17:45.000 Because I've always had this...

00:17:48.000 I guess this fear of losing too much, you know, and it started when I got into the UFC. I had like my tough fight didn't go well, but I was one fight, you know, in my MMA career, and I was in the UFC already.

00:18:03.000 So I went on to win a fight, but then I lost two in a row and got cut. 0.94

00:18:08.000 And from that moment on, I'm like, fuck, like, people are just gonna think of me as this person who loses all the time. 0.78

00:18:13.000 And then I went on a four fight, one streak in Invicta, but then when I came back to the UFC, I lost to Andrade. 0.99

00:18:19.000 And even though it was like, probably the fight that people still talk about to this day, even though I lost.

00:18:26.000 Crazy fight.

00:18:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:26.000 Like, I always get complimented on that fight.

00:18:29.000 But it was still another loss on my record.

00:18:31.000 So I've always had this kind of, I don't know, this great cloud looming over my confidence because of my record.

00:18:41.000 Did it help that she went on to do such great things?

00:18:45.000 It did.

00:18:45.000 Did it pump you up?

00:18:46.000 It did.

00:18:47.000 It did.

00:18:47.000 But when it came to fighting someone like Randa, who kind of had a similar story where she is talented, but she's fought a lot of tough people and lost to them or gotten weird decisions against people.

00:19:02.000 I don't know.

00:19:03.000 I just felt like this was my chance to prove that I'm not that.

00:19:07.000 I'm a better fighter than my record shows.

00:19:10.000 And so then when the ESPN thing was thrown on, it was just me bigging up a situation that wasn't that big.

00:19:19.000 It was no different from my fight with Ashley Yoder.

00:19:23.000 I felt more present in my Andrade fight.

00:19:26.000 It was no bigger than those fights, but I just bigged it up in my head.

00:19:30.000 And I felt like it was a result of me just pushing down all this anxiety that I have every time I fight and not really addressing it.

00:19:37.000 So did you address it since then?

00:19:39.000 Yeah, I did.

00:19:40.000 What have you done differently?

00:19:42.000 We started reading those mental, me and my husband, but he read them and then he started doing the mental coach thing for me.

00:19:54.000 Every resource that I looked at says pretty much the same thing.

00:19:58.000 It's that you have to focus on being present and being present each day and not dwelling on the past, not bringing the past into that present moment, just trusting in your reactions and trusting in your preparation.

00:20:14.000 That's what I've been doing.

00:20:16.000 I have been doing more actual visualization exercises.

00:20:22.000 Every time I'm in the gym, I just focus on being there at the gym.

00:20:29.000 I'm not thinking about what's going to happen.

00:20:31.000 If this happens, what's going to happen?

00:20:33.000 If that happens, I focus on the drill we're doing, on the exercises we're doing.

00:20:37.000 I go as hard as possible.

00:20:39.000 I think... 1.00

00:20:41.000 Just having that fight and having it go so badly forced me to go into the gym and just say, fuck it. 1.00

00:20:48.000 It's literally just like that fuck it mentality. 1.00

00:20:51.000 Like that was the worst that could happen where you didn't show up. 0.99

00:20:54.000 You didn't fight to the best of your abilities.

00:20:56.000 Exactly.

00:20:57.000 When I hesitated, I didn't show up.

00:20:59.000 I didn't stay in the moment.

00:21:01.000 I was thinking about what's going to happen next.

00:21:04.000 What just happened?

00:21:06.000 What's going to happen if I lose?

00:21:08.000 I'm thinking that in the fight. 1.00

00:21:10.000 When I went to the gym the next Monday, I went to jail and I'm like, fuck it. 0.99

00:21:16.000 And I just went hard. 1.00

00:21:18.000 And the next sparring session, I said, fuck it. 1.00

00:21:20.000 And I went hard. 1.00

00:21:21.000 And those were the best sparring sessions I had up to that date.

00:21:27.000 Guys who...

00:21:29.000 You usually wouldn't really say much after I spiral, and they're like, yo, you're on something today.

00:21:34.000 Like, you're, like, just, like, combinations and volume and this and that.

00:21:39.000 Like, yeah, you're really getting after it.

00:21:41.000 And I'm like, okay, okay, I think I've, like, kind of unlocked something.

00:21:45.000 You know what's really powerful?

00:21:46.000 The way you're addressing it.

00:21:47.000 That you're so honest about what went wrong.

00:21:50.000 That's huge, because sometimes people make excuses, or they come up with something that didn't go their way, that should have gone their way, and they don't address the real issue.

00:22:00.000 You're addressing the actual issue that was going on in your brain, and you know that that's what it was.

00:22:05.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:22:06.000 It's something I kind of had to learn from the get-go.

00:22:09.000 Have you ever thought about going to a sports psychologist?

00:22:13.000 I have.

00:22:15.000 I've tried a couple people in the past and I really just feel like everyone kind of says the same things.

00:22:22.000 So I feel like if you're getting it from any resource, that's good.

00:22:27.000 Like I started using that mindfulness app.

00:22:31.000 Oh, okay.

00:22:31.000 Which one?

00:22:32.000 I forget what it's called.

00:22:34.000 Headspace?

00:22:35.000 Yeah, Headspace.

00:22:36.000 I was going to say it's the ones with the little cartoons.

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 And that really helped just like kind of calm my nerves and keep the anxiety from being crippling.

00:22:48.000 Sometimes what happens when you go to a coach is the fact that you physically go to someone and you sit down with this – it's like a different level of commitment – You sit down with this person.

00:22:58.000 This person formulates a strategy for how you address some of the issues that are going on in your mind.

00:23:03.000 And then sometimes you can go to a hypnotist.

00:23:06.000 Like Vinny Shorman.

00:23:08.000 Do you know Vinny?

00:23:09.000 Vinny Shorman, he's fantastic.

00:23:11.000 And he's done a lot of...

00:23:12.000 He actually hypnotized me.

00:23:14.000 I asked him to hypnotize me because I want to know what it was like.

00:23:16.000 It's very weird.

00:23:17.000 It's very weird.

00:23:18.000 It's like you're there, but you're not really there.

00:23:19.000 It's like you're in a room next to...

00:23:20.000 Did he make you like...

00:23:21.000 He didn't touch me.

00:23:22.000 Nothing.

00:23:22.000 No, no, no.

00:23:23.000 Nothing weird.

00:23:24.000 Like a dog.

00:23:25.000 No, he...

00:23:26.000 I just wanted to experience what it was like.

00:23:31.000 Sometimes I procrastinate too much.

00:23:33.000 Sometimes I'm lazy.

00:23:34.000 Sometimes I feel like I get more work done than I do.

00:23:36.000 I want to know what that is.

00:23:39.000 He is really good at working with fighters. 0.97

00:23:42.000 He does a lot of stuff through FaceTime and shit, too. 0.98

00:23:45.000 He lives in England. 0.98

00:23:47.000 But he's worked with Joe Schilling.

00:23:49.000 He's worked with a lot of different fighters.

00:23:52.000 But he basically tries to get you to understand.

00:23:56.000 First of all, you're already on a really good path because you understand what you did wrong, right?

00:24:00.000 And then you understand to be more present.

00:24:01.000 Those two things are critical.

00:24:03.000 That's everything. 0.97

00:24:03.000 Understanding what went wrong, letting it go, you're already doing that, and then concentrating on what you're really good at and just saying fuck it and letting it go and expressing yourself, being the you that you know that you could be when you're on. 0.97

00:24:15.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:24:16.000 Right?

00:24:17.000 It's like how to capture that and hold that thought and then bring it inside the octagon and be able to recreate those feelings when you're actually under pressure of competition.

00:24:28.000 That sounds cool.

00:24:29.000 Yeah.

00:24:29.000 But like hypnotizing though?

00:24:31.000 Like does he like take out the watch?

00:24:33.000 No, he just talks to you.

00:24:35.000 Okay.

00:24:35.000 You close your eyes, you lay back and he just sort of talks you through it.

00:24:38.000 It's very weird.

00:24:39.000 So it's not like therapy.

00:24:41.000 You definitely feel like a change in your brain.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, you feel like you're in a different state.

00:24:47.000 It's a weird state.

00:24:48.000 It's very weird.

00:24:49.000 That's strange.

00:24:50.000 Like, after it was over, I was like, huh, okay, that's real.

00:24:52.000 Because I had seen, like, comedy hypnotism before.

00:24:56.000 Have you ever seen a comedy hypnotism show?

00:24:58.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 0.54

00:24:59.000 Where they have a bunch of people come up and like, you're having sex with, you know, Rihanna and you think you are.

00:25:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:05.000 There's a lot of weird stuff that people do in these comedy hypnotism shows where I was like, maybe I can't. 0.79

00:25:11.000 I don't think they could do that to me because I'm not going to believe that I'm really on a cruise ship right now and pirates are coming or whatever the fuck. 0.98

00:25:17.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.97

00:25:18.000 And then you go, hi.

00:25:19.000 Yeah, I always see the ones where they make them turn into an animal or something.

00:25:26.000 Or every time you say this word, something happens.

00:25:29.000 And I'm going to wake up in 3, 2, 1. Huh?

00:25:33.000 What happened?

00:25:34.000 It wasn't like that.

00:25:35.000 But it is like you're listening to his voice, but you're in a different state of consciousness.

00:25:41.000 It's very strange.

00:25:42.000 But you're able to put away the outside world for a brief amount of time.

00:25:47.000 And he concentrates on flow, getting you to a state of flow.

00:25:51.000 That flow state when everything's going great.

00:25:54.000 You know that feeling when you see things and you're hitting someone with something before you even know that there's an opening there.

00:26:01.000 And that was in those athlete books too, just that flow state thing.

00:26:05.000 Flow state is everything, right?

00:26:07.000 It's like getting to the point where you're at that.

00:26:10.000 And for you, is a quick turnaround a better thing because you're more relaxed?

00:26:14.000 You just fought?

00:26:16.000 It's definitely a better thing because I feel familiar with the routine and familiar with being in the cage.

00:26:24.000 And one of the first things we started thinking about is what scares me so much or what gives me that heart ping.

00:26:32.000 And one thing is being in the cage and seeing the canvas and just how real it is.

00:26:40.000 Because when you see it on TV, the canvas is a different color.

00:26:45.000 You can see the texture, the thread in the canvas.

00:26:51.000 There's a certain smell.

00:26:53.000 The perspective is different.

00:26:55.000 I look way bigger on TV than I do in person.

00:26:59.000 And it's the same with my opponent.

00:27:01.000 They look like this little thing trying to fight me.

00:27:04.000 But it's this real thing in front of me.

00:27:08.000 It's scarier than when you're watching it, like watching the replay of your fight.

00:27:13.000 So it's just like that, I don't know, just that experience of being in there always scared me because it's, I don't know, it's just not familiar.

00:27:24.000 It doesn't feel the same as going to spa or going to train or wrestle or whatever because it's like this big thing that we build up, we have a date, we go in there, there's a lot of people watching.

00:27:36.000 Do you warm up inside the octagon?

00:27:37.000 I like to.

00:27:40.000 I think it helps, but I think just being in there a lot has helped more than that.

00:27:48.000 Just because that is the area that I'm used to fighting in now.

00:27:55.000 Like, now that I've fought so much in, like, a short period of time, like, it feels super familiar.

00:28:02.000 Like, now I don't feel the need to warm up in there.

00:28:05.000 Whereas before, I'm like, oh, I gotta get to the arena early.

00:28:09.000 I gotta feel the cage.

00:28:10.000 I gotta feel it on my feet.

00:28:11.000 Feel how slippery it is.

00:28:12.000 You know, that kind of thing.

00:28:14.000 But yeah, I definitely like being in there, being active.

00:28:18.000 I train all year round.

00:28:20.000 I don't really take big breaks unless I hurt something.

00:28:24.000 So in most of my fights, I come out injury-free.

00:28:27.000 If I do have injuries from a fight camp, not from the actual fights.

00:28:31.000 That's really fortunate.

00:28:33.000 Yeah, no, I'm lucky.

00:28:36.000 I want to take advantage of my health because I know it's not going to last forever.

00:28:41.000 How old are you now?

00:28:45.000 26?

00:28:47.000 Yeah, that's the magic number.

00:28:49.000 No, I'm 34 this year.

00:28:52.000 Well, you look great.

00:28:53.000 Thank you.

00:28:54.000 When did you start training?

00:28:56.000 I did my first Muay Thai class when I turned 24. Wow.

00:29:01.000 Maybe that's the thing, right?

00:29:03.000 You don't have the wear and tear of a lot of people start when they're 10 and by the time they get to 24, they already got MCL fucked up and back...

00:29:12.000 And it probably stunts your growth, too, a little bit.

00:29:15.000 I don't know.

00:29:15.000 I feel like something happens.

00:29:18.000 If you cut weight, it certainly does.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:21.000 So, yeah, I didn't really do any sports after, I guess, middle school.

00:29:27.000 Really? 0.98

00:29:30.000 Through high school to college and then after college, I didn't do shit. 0.94

00:29:35.000 You didn't do anything? 0.99

00:29:35.000 Nah, I was skinny fat, so I didn't have to. 0.99

00:29:39.000 But you didn't work out or nothing?

00:29:40.000 Nah, I didn't work out.

00:29:41.000 That's crazy.

00:29:41.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:29:42.000 If you see a picture of me from like right after college, I look like this little skinny like...

00:29:49.000 Stick figure, like, just soft girl. 1.00

00:29:52.000 It's really weird. 0.99

00:29:53.000 So, like, when people see me now, they're like, holy shit! 0.92

00:29:57.000 People from back then. 0.97

00:29:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:58.000 Well, they must be freaking out now.

00:30:00.000 Like, she's a what? 0.95

00:30:01.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:30:01.000 She's in the fucking what? 1.00

00:30:02.000 She's a UFC contender. 0.99

00:30:04.000 I know. 0.99

00:30:04.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:30:06.000 No, it's really funny. 0.99

00:30:07.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:08.000 And I was so different.

00:30:10.000 Well, not different, but I was super quiet all my life.

00:30:14.000 In high school, especially in college, I was always just really shy and really soft-spoken.

00:30:22.000 That's surprising, because you're very funny on Twitter.

00:30:24.000 Oh, thank you.

00:30:25.000 On Twitter, you're hilarious.

00:30:26.000 Well, I was always funny.

00:30:27.000 You're always funny, just quiet.

00:30:29.000 Nobody knew it.

00:30:30.000 I kept it to myself.

00:30:31.000 I cracked myself up all day.

00:30:34.000 But yeah, I'm just super shy.

00:30:37.000 Always awkward around new people and new settings.

00:30:40.000 I had my tight-knit group of friends, but I was never the popular kid by any means.

00:30:46.000 What brought you into Muay Thai class?

00:30:49.000 A workout.

00:30:50.000 You just needed something to do.

00:30:52.000 Yeah, I was just fat.

00:30:53.000 I just got married and I also had an office job.

00:30:57.000 I was working at an animation studio.

00:31:00.000 And before that I had been bartending.

00:31:03.000 So I was like moving around and doing stuff and I never really felt like inactive.

00:31:08.000 But once I quit the bar job and was just doing that full time, I just felt like fat.

00:31:19.000 We're good to go.

00:31:37.000 Deal with me, like, you know? 0.99

00:31:39.000 They'd deal with me if I came in when I was, like, 10, but not now as some old-ass fucking girl wanting to learn how to box. 0.97

00:31:47.000 But then people are telling me, like, oh, Muay Thai is, like, really cool, and I was afraid of getting bulky, you know? 0.98

00:31:53.000 And they're like, oh, no, if you do Muay Thai, like, you'll still look really natural.

00:31:56.000 You won't look like you're on steroids.

00:31:58.000 And I was like, oh, okay.

00:31:59.000 How many girls are afraid of that? 1.00

00:32:00.000 You're afraid of big shoulders and big arms?

00:32:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:02.000 I mean, no, I don't care.

00:32:04.000 I'm like, bring it on, you know?

00:32:06.000 But back then I was like really worried about looking like a ninja turtle.

00:32:09.000 That's so funny because it's so hard for a girl to look like that without steroids. 1.00

00:32:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:14.000 But you see some girls who go hard, you know, like CrossFit girls. 1.00

00:32:18.000 Like half my opponents.

00:32:19.000 Yeah.

00:32:20.000 Just all trapped up.

00:32:22.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 There's a few.

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 There's a few that you definitely know something happened in the past.

00:32:27.000 Something happened.

00:32:28.000 They grew up on a farm.

00:32:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, that's the line.

00:32:31.000 A lot of throwing hay around.

00:32:34.000 So, you're 24 years old.

00:32:35.000 You walk into a Muay Thai class.

00:32:37.000 When do you get addicted to it?

00:32:39.000 First class, man.

00:32:40.000 Really?

00:32:40.000 First class.

00:32:41.000 First class, my coach, my first coach, Brandon Levi, does Evolution Muay Thai in New York.

00:32:49.000 So, that's where you were in New York at the time?

00:32:51.000 Yeah, in New York.

00:32:52.000 Yeah, that's where I went to school and everything.

00:32:54.000 And first class, I threw like an elbow and a knee on the Thai pads. 0.85

00:32:58.000 And I was like, oh...

00:33:01.000 I feel so hard.

00:33:02.000 I never knew that I could generate that much power with my little body.

00:33:07.000 Because I was probably 115 pounds soaking wet at the time.

00:33:12.000 So I was just like, oh my god, I feel so powerful.

00:33:16.000 And ever since then, I was just going every day.

00:33:19.000 I was going with my husband.

00:33:21.000 We were getting in shape, learning how to kick and stuff.

00:33:24.000 And it was just a lot of stuff I never thought I'd be able to do, I was doing it.

00:33:29.000 Even just throwing a head kick.

00:33:33.000 I didn't try out for cheerleading because I was inflexible.

00:33:36.000 I was like, I'm never going to be able to do this.

00:33:39.000 I can't do a high kick.

00:33:40.000 I can't do a split or anything like that.

00:33:42.000 So being able to get my leg up high enough to kick someone in the head, it was like a huge milestone for me athletically. 0.97

00:33:49.000 I love a story like that where you didn't do shit from middle school, high school. 0.99

00:33:53.000 You didn't do shit until you were 24. And then all of a sudden you get addicted to it. 0.99

00:33:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:58.000 That's crazy.

00:33:59.000 It was always in me, man.

00:34:00.000 But then 10 years later, you're a top contender in the UFC. Yeah.

00:34:03.000 That's bananas! 0.75

00:34:04.000 It's weird, but it makes sense to me because anytime I tried to do a sport when I was a kid, I would just lose interest.

00:34:11.000 And I think it was because they were all team sports.

00:34:15.000 I was on basketball teams, softball, baseball, whatever. 1.00

00:34:20.000 I ran a track for a few months and all of that stuff, I was just like, this is stupid. 1.00

00:34:25.000 What's the point? 1.00

00:34:27.000 Or that or...

00:34:28.000 I don't know.

00:34:29.000 I didn't like working with people.

00:34:31.000 But the one thing I was good at was stealing the ball in basketball.

00:34:36.000 So I never made any shots.

00:34:39.000 I was really bad at dribbling and everything.

00:34:42.000 But if someone got the ball and they were next to me, I'd run over and I'd grab it and just wriggle until they're just like...

00:34:50.000 Like, they would just get mad at me and let go of the ball so I'd steal it and then pass it to the girl that could shoot. 0.99

00:34:57.000 So yeah, that was the one thing I was good at.

00:34:58.000 That's conflict.

00:34:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:00.000 Maybe that was like a sign of things to come.

00:35:02.000 Exactly.

00:35:02.000 You're good at conflict.

00:35:03.000 Exactly.

00:35:04.000 I like that.

00:35:05.000 I like that.

00:35:05.000 And especially because I was so shy outside of that, then it was just kind of like my outlet.

00:35:10.000 So how long was it between your first class and your first fight?

00:35:15.000 It was about nine months.

00:35:18.000 Wow.

00:35:18.000 So right away, you're like balls deep into this thing.

00:35:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:23.000 For lack of a better expression.

00:35:26.000 Yeah, I'm like, what else deep could I do?

00:35:28.000 Yeah, what can a girl do? 1.00

00:35:30.000 Yeah, I was really into it.

00:35:35.000 And I hadn't considered fighting yet, but my coach was like, I think it was around the time.

00:35:41.000 Have you ever heard of the WKAs?

00:35:44.000 So it was around the time of that, and he was taking a couple people down.

00:35:49.000 He was like, hey, you want to do WKAs?

00:35:51.000 You want to have a fight?

00:35:52.000 Yeah.

00:35:52.000 And I was like, oh, are you sure?

00:35:54.000 Like, you sure I'm ready?

00:35:56.000 And it was kind of halfway because, well, I don't know if this is why he asked, but once I said yes, there was a girl that used to train with us who was also doing it in my weight class, and he was like, oh...

00:36:11.000 This is going to be fun.

00:36:12.000 So yeah, I thought it was cool that he had that confidence in me because all the other girls who were in the tournament had been training a lot longer than me for years even.

00:36:22.000 So yeah, I was just like, okay, let's do it.

00:36:26.000 Let's see what happens.

00:36:27.000 I was scared, but I also wasn't putting on my...

00:36:34.000 We're good to go.

00:36:51.000 And I got a few shows on that or a few fights on that.

00:36:56.000 I went 14-0 as an amateur Muay Thai fighter.

00:37:01.000 Before I went pro, I was trying to get an MMA fight just so I had one or two amateur MMA fights under my belt.

00:37:10.000 So if I do decide to do it, I'd have that experience.

00:37:13.000 But no one would fight me.

00:37:15.000 So I ended up going pro anyway.

00:37:17.000 Had two pro Muay Thai fights.

00:37:20.000 And then I had my first pro MMA fight two days before the Tough tryouts.

00:37:27.000 Wow.

00:37:27.000 Yeah.

00:37:28.000 That's so recent.

00:37:30.000 Yeah.

00:37:30.000 That's crazy.

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:31.000 What year were you on Tough?

00:37:33.000 Was that six years ago?

00:37:35.000 Tough 20. So I think it was 2014. Yeah.

00:37:38.000 Wow.

00:37:38.000 That's when the tryouts were.

00:37:40.000 And I think it aired.

00:37:41.000 Yeah.

00:37:41.000 I think our finale was like that December.

00:37:44.000 Yeah.

00:37:45.000 Well, that makes sense now as to why you've gotten so much better over the last few fights. 0.98

00:37:50.000 You're still fucking learning. 0.98

00:37:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:52.000 That's so crazy.

00:37:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:54.000 I shouldn't have been in there. 1.00

00:37:55.000 It was stupid to show up. 0.98

00:37:58.000 But it's not because it's interesting. 0.97

00:38:00.000 What was it like your first fight?

00:38:02.000 Because here you are.

00:38:04.000 You're nine months into training.

00:38:05.000 You did it for fun.

00:38:06.000 And now you're really into it.

00:38:08.000 And then all of a sudden you're inside the ring.

00:38:11.000 Yeah.

00:38:13.000 I don't know.

00:38:14.000 It was...

00:38:16.000 It was fun.

00:38:18.000 Well, it wasn't fun.

00:38:19.000 Fighting is never really fun.

00:38:22.000 I feel like it's just this sprint.

00:38:25.000 If you ever sprinted against someone and you really want to beat them, that's kind of what fighting feels like a lot of times.

00:38:31.000 You're just pushing yourself to total exhaustion, just trying to beat this person who's neck and neck with you, and your lungs just get tired thinking about it.

00:38:44.000 But yeah, it's a blur.

00:38:46.000 I don't really remember it, but I see video and it's super slow and sloppy.

00:38:54.000 But I beat the girl up. 1.00

00:38:55.000 I tossed her around or whatever. 0.91

00:38:57.000 And yeah, it was really cool. 0.98

00:38:59.000 I think before they say go, I was just like, what the fuck am I doing? 0.95

00:39:09.000 Like, how did this happen? 0.93

00:39:11.000 You had to feel so weird the day of, right?

00:39:13.000 Yeah, I'm like, I have a BFA. Like, what?

00:39:16.000 My mom must be like, yeah, yeah.

00:39:19.000 Why am I doing this?

00:39:20.000 Oh, that's so funny.

00:39:21.000 What's wrong with me?

00:39:22.000 But like, then I beat her and I was like, oh, this is cool.

00:39:25.000 Okay, I get it.

00:39:26.000 I I get it.

00:39:27.000 And it was cool because I did a couple things that were technical.

00:39:33.000 I grabbed her by the head and threw her over. 1.00

00:39:35.000 So that was something we practiced.

00:39:37.000 And yeah, I beat another girl maybe 12 hours later in the same tournament.

00:39:44.000 Those tournaments, they make you sit around forever.

00:39:46.000 But then I was just like, oh man, maybe I'm pretty good at this.

00:39:51.000 Maybe I'll do it again.

00:39:54.000 And then so you do it a few times, you get 14-0 as an amateur.

00:39:57.000 At what point in time are you thinking, I think I'm going to be a professional fighter?

00:40:02.000 Still not then.

00:40:03.000 Really?

00:40:04.000 I went pro just to go pro because if you're 14-0 as an amateur, you're not getting fights anymore.

00:40:14.000 You're not booking opponents or whatever. 0.99

00:40:17.000 They don't want to fuck with you. 1.00

00:40:18.000 Yeah, they don't want to fuck with you. 1.00

00:40:19.000 And it's about that time anyway. 0.99

00:40:21.000 When I see guys with 30 amateur fights, boxing is a little different.

00:40:26.000 Right.

00:40:33.000 Right.

00:40:44.000 Right, right.

00:40:45.000 With Muay Thai, there's some amateur championships, but there's nothing that's going to put you in a better position as a professional.

00:40:51.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:40:52.000 With boxing, guys like Lomachenko, who's got 200-plus amateur fights, right?

00:40:57.000 Yeah.

00:40:57.000 Same with Gennady Golovkin.

00:40:59.000 Triple G, I think he had around 200-plus amateur fights as well.

00:41:03.000 But those guys are winning world championships and fighting at the top of the heap in amateur boxing and then developing that skill.

00:41:12.000 I think Lomachenko won his first world title four fights into his pro career.

00:41:16.000 Something crazy like that.

00:41:19.000 Yeah, I don't follow boxing too much, but I just know that for sure is that everyone who's made a name for themselves, they started off with like fucking 200, 300 fights.

00:41:30.000 So yeah, Muay Thai, at least in the States, isn't the same.

00:41:34.000 So it was just time to make that step. 0.99

00:41:37.000 So I still wasn't considering that being my career of choice, especially because Muay Thai, you don't make shit. 0.92

00:41:43.000 What's the most money you made as a Muay Thai fighter? 0.94

00:41:46.000 I think I made...

00:41:49.000 700 bucks on Lion Fight.

00:41:53.000 So that was pretty cool.

00:41:54.000 That's crazy.

00:41:54.000 I was like stoked too.

00:41:55.000 I was like, man, I'm about to make 700 bucks!

00:41:57.000 I wish Lion Fight was bigger.

00:41:59.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:42:00.000 Lion Fight, it's like, I would watch Lion Fight on AXS TV and I'd be like, why the fuck isn't this huge? 0.54

00:42:06.000 It was an awesome show.

00:42:08.000 It's an awesome show.

00:42:09.000 The commentary was great.

00:42:10.000 They had Pat Miletic doing commentary.

00:42:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:12.000 And if you watched the fights, they'd bring in all these ties, these world-class fighters, a lot of the European guys.

00:42:18.000 You're like, God damn, there's some fucking talent. 0.99

00:42:21.000 Yeah, I was stoked. 1.00

00:42:21.000 And it's so wild to watch. 1.00

00:42:23.000 I love Muay Thai.

00:42:24.000 I love watching it.

00:42:25.000 I'm not sure if it was my first.

00:42:28.000 I did two fights on Lion Fight.

00:42:30.000 So I'm not sure if it was my amateur fight or my pro fight.

00:42:33.000 But one of them, I fought on the same card as Cyborg.

00:42:35.000 And I was like, yo, this is so cool.

00:42:38.000 I'm fighting on the same card as Cyborg.

00:42:40.000 In Lion Fight?

00:42:40.000 In Lion Fight, yeah.

00:42:42.000 I think she only fought once.

00:42:43.000 It was Jorena Barge.

00:42:44.000 She fought twice.

00:42:45.000 She fought twice? 0.78

00:42:46.000 Yeah, the first girl she destroyed.

00:42:48.000 I think it was maybe a French girl or something. 0.64

00:42:51.000 But the first girl she destroyed.

00:42:54.000 I think my coach, Brandon, he was holding pads for me.

00:43:00.000 And her coach was like, oh, do you remember people made a big deal about this?

00:43:04.000 The girl who got slapped in the corner.

00:43:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:08.000 In Lion Fight.

00:43:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:09.000 She was fighting Cyborg.

00:43:10.000 Her coach slapped her, right? 1.00

00:43:12.000 He slapped the shit out of her. 1.00

00:43:14.000 And it was like, ooh, because the girl was obviously, she had taken some blows. 0.99

00:43:18.000 Like, it's Cyborg.

00:43:19.000 And Cyborg went full Cyborg on her.

00:43:21.000 So she had already taken some blows.

00:43:23.000 And then she gets to the corner.

00:43:25.000 And the first thing the coach does is, pop!

00:43:26.000 You know, and it's like, come on!

00:43:28.000 You're gonna knock her out! 1.00

00:43:29.000 Well, not only that, like, do you do that a lot?

00:43:32.000 Right.

00:43:33.000 Like, are you doing that when no one's around?

00:43:35.000 Yeah.

00:43:36.000 That's, you know.

00:43:37.000 Yeah, so it was odd.

00:43:38.000 It was odd.

00:43:39.000 Yeah!

00:43:40.000 That's right, I forgot about that.

00:43:41.000 But I get slapping your fighter to wake him up.

00:43:43.000 I get a little bit, but I don't get, like, physically slapping them.

00:43:45.000 Yo, especially after they were probably concussed from the round.

00:43:49.000 Oh, for sure.

00:43:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:49.000 You know?

00:43:50.000 So, yeah.

00:43:51.000 So, that was the card that I was on.

00:43:54.000 Oh, wow.

00:43:55.000 Yeah.

00:43:55.000 So, yeah.

00:43:58.000 So that was a really big deal for me.

00:44:00.000 So here you are, you're fighting pro as a Muay Thai fighter, and then what makes you say, you know what, I think I'm going to make a leap into MMA? Tough.

00:44:09.000 Tough.

00:44:10.000 Yeah.

00:44:10.000 So the opportunity.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, the opportunity.

00:44:12.000 Because at that time, there was no strawweight weight class.

00:44:17.000 I was planning on being an atomweight fighter because in Muay Thai, I fought between 110 and 106. So I was like, oh, I didn't cut weight for it.

00:44:29.000 I just kind of dieted down to it.

00:44:31.000 Does Invicta have atomweight?

00:44:33.000 They do.

00:44:34.000 What is the weight limit?

00:44:35.000 105. 105. Yeah.

00:44:37.000 So Invicta has Adam weight and that was kind of my plan.

00:44:41.000 But I had sent like Invicta highlight reels and I didn't really get a response yet because I didn't have any MMA fights yet.

00:44:50.000 So that was kind of the scramble to get an MMA fight and then somehow like, you know, Build up a record and get called by Invicta.

00:45:00.000 How long had you been training in grappling or takedown defense or MMA in general?

00:45:05.000 I hadn't been doing much MMA training just because in New York there wasn't a lot of it.

00:45:10.000 So you have those underground MMA fights.

00:45:15.000 I had a friend who had done a couple of them.

00:45:19.000 It was literally like you show up, you go to a school in the Bronx and you're in their assembly room and there's a ring there.

00:45:30.000 No ambulance.

00:45:31.000 You still have to pay $30 to get in.

00:45:35.000 And it's just so hood and ratchet.

00:45:38.000 We literally saw a kid get matched up against a little person.

00:45:46.000 Like a midget? 1.00

00:45:47.000 Yes, a midget. 1.00

00:45:48.000 I'm like, can we say midget? 0.99

00:45:50.000 My friend Brad Williams, he's a little person.

00:45:52.000 He says you can say it.

00:45:53.000 He says midget? 0.94

00:45:54.000 Cool.

00:45:54.000 Thanks, Brad.

00:45:55.000 Go his way.

00:45:56.000 Yeah, it was a midget. 1.00

00:45:58.000 Literally tried to match him up, and the guy was going to knock this kid out. 0.95

00:46:02.000 It was a man.

00:46:03.000 A man with man muscles.

00:46:05.000 But it didn't happen.

00:46:07.000 How old was the kid?

00:46:08.000 The kid, they were the same height.

00:46:10.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:46:11.000 So, he wasn't old.

00:46:12.000 That kid was a full-grown kid.

00:46:15.000 Wow.

00:46:15.000 So, yeah.

00:46:17.000 But it didn't happen.

00:46:18.000 But that was the matchup.

00:46:19.000 So, that was the kind of thing they were working on.

00:46:21.000 There were fights with headgear, no headgear.

00:46:24.000 Some people had MMA gloves.

00:46:25.000 Some people had boxing gloves.

00:46:26.000 It was all over the place.

00:46:27.000 I've seen a lot of those online.

00:46:29.000 Yeah.

00:46:30.000 Those weird... 0.99

00:46:30.000 Like sort of fucking half-assed MMA fights. 0.99

00:46:34.000 Yeah, and it happened a lot in New York because that was the only MMA you could do back then. 0.98

00:46:38.000 Like even in a pro Muay Thai fight, you couldn't throw elbows.

00:46:42.000 Really?

00:46:42.000 Yeah, because I don't know why, but it was connected to that MMA rule.

00:46:49.000 Could you knee?

00:46:49.000 Yeah.

00:46:50.000 You could throw knees.

00:46:51.000 To the head.

00:46:52.000 Yeah.

00:46:52.000 That's hilarious.

00:46:53.000 Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

00:46:54.000 Can you clench?

00:46:55.000 You can plumb and you can still throw knees?

00:46:57.000 Mm-hmm.

00:46:58.000 But you can throw elbows.

00:46:59.000 You can't throw elbows.

00:47:00.000 No elbows. 0.98

00:47:00.000 That's so silly. 0.98

00:47:01.000 So it was weird. 1.00

00:47:01.000 God, it's fucking people with their rules. 1.00

00:47:03.000 It was illegal to throw elbows. 1.00

00:47:04.000 That's so silly. 0.84

00:47:06.000 You had to go to jail. 0.99

00:47:07.000 That's so silly. 0.98

00:47:08.000 No, I don't. 0.98

00:47:09.000 But yeah, it's crazy.

00:47:11.000 So when I was in New York getting ready to fight MMA, I actually got a call from a coach out in North Carolina.

00:47:21.000 And he's like, hey, if you come out here to train with me, then I'll send you to Vegas to do this tryout.

00:47:31.000 And, you know, get you on the show.

00:47:34.000 And I was like, oh, okay, cool.

00:47:36.000 But I didn't think I was going to get on the show.

00:47:38.000 I was just like, oh, this would be a cool opportunity to learn some MMA, you know?

00:47:42.000 So I go down to North Carolina for a few months.

00:47:47.000 I end up getting that fight that was, like, two days before.

00:47:50.000 It was, like, super, like, you know, North Carolina show.

00:47:54.000 It's called, like, USFFC or something, or USSFZ, one of those.

00:48:01.000 So I did that, and I fought a girl that I was actually going to fight in Atomweight, but she pulled out. 1.00

00:48:08.000 So we fought at Strawweight.

00:48:10.000 I knocked her out in the second round, I think, and then flew to Vegas the next day.

00:48:17.000 Wow.

00:48:18.000 So yeah, it was pretty crazy.

00:48:20.000 But yeah, even on the flight to Vegas, I'm like, I'm not going to get on this show.

00:48:25.000 Wow.

00:48:27.000 They got girls coming from all over the place. 0.88

00:48:29.000 They got all those girls in Invicta that I watch. 1.00

00:48:32.000 There's going to be hundreds of girls here at the tryouts. 1.00

00:48:37.000 I think there was only like 30. Were you there?

00:48:40.000 No, I wasn't.

00:48:41.000 Did you have to spar at the tryouts?

00:48:43.000 Yeah, just grappling.

00:48:44.000 Just grappling.

00:48:45.000 Yeah, so you go to tryouts, you introduce yourself, there's MMA media there, and you tell them your little story, try to get people behind you or whatever.

00:48:57.000 And then they had handpicked already eight girls to be on the show.

00:49:02.000 And those are all girls that I've seen fight before, so I'm like, I was like, whoa, they're going to be on the show?

00:49:08.000 They should just put them in.

00:49:09.000 They already know what they're doing.

00:49:12.000 But I was like, ah, that's cool.

00:49:13.000 I'll just go and try out and show face.

00:49:15.000 And maybe Dana White will like what he sees. 0.94

00:49:17.000 Keep me in mind after I have a few fights.

00:49:20.000 And I went there.

00:49:21.000 I tried out.

00:49:22.000 I did a grappling session where I did well against the person they put me up against.

00:49:27.000 I just stayed on top of her the whole time.

00:49:28.000 How much grappling had you done by then?

00:49:30.000 Well, I had been doing grappling on and off in between my fights, but every time I got a fight, I'd stop.

00:49:39.000 Right.

00:49:39.000 For how long have you been doing grappling?

00:49:41.000 How many years?

00:49:42.000 I'd say about maybe two years, two and a half maybe.

00:49:48.000 It's fairly green.

00:49:49.000 Yeah, like I was still a white belt.

00:49:52.000 Yeah, to be fighting in a professional organization.

00:49:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:55.000 It was pretty nuts.

00:49:56.000 And so you stay on top of this girl most of the round.

00:49:59.000 Yeah, and the coach, the North Carolina coach, he was a wrestling, like straight-up wrestling guy.

00:50:06.000 So that was kind of what I needed at the time anyway, so it kind of worked out.

00:50:11.000 And I just stayed on top of her and her guard and smothered her or whatever. 0.94

00:50:17.000 And then the part that I shined was the striking part.

00:50:22.000 And my coach, Brandon, came down with me and we did our little routine and I did like, you know, you see the ties do like the 20 kicks left, 20 kicks.

00:50:31.000 We did that.

00:50:32.000 And then I started doing like a really hard comma and I was like, making noise.

00:50:37.000 And they're like, Angela, stop, stop, stop.

00:50:39.000 Like I couldn't hear them over my yelling.

00:50:42.000 They're like, hey, hey, hey, stop.

00:50:43.000 You're good.

00:50:44.000 You're good.

00:50:44.000 And I was like, oh.

00:50:46.000 And that was before everyone else was told to stop.

00:50:51.000 And then I got a pretty cool compliment from Dana after that.

00:50:55.000 He was like, I've seen a lot of tryouts, and that was the best strike, and I've seen any tryouts so far.

00:51:01.000 And I was like, whoa! 1.00

00:51:03.000 I mean, I'm sure he wasn't being super serious, but I took that shit to her. 1.00

00:51:07.000 I was like, yo, Dana White said that, oh my god. 1.00

00:51:10.000 So, at that point, you're thinking, I might be on this fucking show. 0.98

00:51:14.000 I might be on The Ultimate Fighter. 0.99

00:51:15.000 A little bit.

00:51:16.000 A little bit.

00:51:17.000 But I think I overestimated what the rest of the girls were bringing to the competition. 1.00

00:51:24.000 Like, I thought...

00:51:25.000 Like, everyone was showing up with, like, crazy records, like, winning records.

00:51:30.000 But, like, at that point, like, especially for strawweight weight class, like, there were a lot of people just fighting whoever, whenever, just to make a paycheck, just to, like, you know, get an injury fixed or whatever.

00:51:44.000 So, like, yeah, you had a lot of girls who were strawweights, but they fought at bannerweight before. 1.00

00:51:50.000 Right.

00:51:50.000 Or they fought in bars before for a small paycheck.

00:51:54.000 So you didn't really have that much hardcore experience outside of the official eight that were picked.

00:52:02.000 So yeah, my chances were a lot better than I had realized.

00:52:06.000 And even though I only had one fight, I obviously had a higher striking level than most of the girls that showed up that day.

00:52:14.000 So then, all of a sudden, you're on the Ultimate Fighter.

00:52:17.000 Yeah.

00:52:18.000 All told, you had been training for what?

00:52:20.000 At that time, four years?

00:52:22.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

00:52:23.000 That is fucking bananas. 1.00

00:52:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:25.000 Right? 0.97

00:52:25.000 Going from 24, not done shit for all those years. 0.97

00:52:29.000 Yeah.

00:52:29.000 Now, four years later, you have a bunch of Muay Thai fights, one MMA fight, you're on The Ultimate Fighter.

00:52:35.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:52:35.000 Like, holy shit, you're on TV. That is a four-year whirlwind. 0.98

00:52:39.000 Yeah.

00:52:40.000 That's crazy.

00:52:41.000 It was nuts.

00:52:42.000 Four years.

00:52:43.000 That is nuts.

00:52:44.000 Yeah.

00:52:44.000 I guess it was like going to college.

00:52:46.000 Only I got a job afterwards.

00:52:50.000 Only it was worth it.

00:52:51.000 Yeah.

00:52:52.000 Wow.

00:52:53.000 So then when you were on the show, how bonkers was that?

00:52:56.000 It was pretty nuts.

00:52:57.000 I mean, I feel like I had a lot more fun than the other girls who lost.

00:53:03.000 Because you just enjoyed it?

00:53:04.000 Because I was just, yeah, I was just there for the experience.

00:53:07.000 Like, I think coming in there, and this is kind of how I view my marriage, too, is like, going in there with low expectations made it actually a lot of fun.

00:53:17.000 And now I'm still married, you know?

00:53:20.000 That's hilarious.

00:53:22.000 That's a funny way to approach it, right?

00:53:24.000 Because if people go crazy high with the expectations, no one's going to meet those expectations.

00:53:29.000 You're going to be disappointed.

00:53:31.000 Exactly.

00:53:31.000 I got married in City Hall.

00:53:33.000 I tried out for tough after one fight, and now I'm living large.

00:53:38.000 How are you ranked right now?

00:53:39.000 Where do they have you?

00:53:40.000 I don't know.

00:53:42.000 I doubt I'm ranked.

00:53:44.000 You must be.

00:53:45.000 I've never been ranked.

00:53:46.000 How many girls are in the 115-pound division? 1.00

00:53:49.000 I don't know.

00:53:50.000 I think I've fought most of them.

00:53:54.000 I think I've fought about half of the top 15. And the problem is I haven't beaten anyone that's ranked now.

00:54:04.000 So that justifies them for not putting me in the rankings.

00:54:09.000 I would have thought after the Cyphers fight you would get ranked.

00:54:11.000 I don't know.

00:54:13.000 I haven't looked, and I've stopped looking.

00:54:17.000 I think, well, I was ranked once.

00:54:20.000 I beat, how do you say her name?

00:54:24.000 Moros?

00:54:26.000 Marina Moros?

00:54:27.000 Do you remember her?

00:54:28.000 Tall, skinny girl? 1.00

00:54:29.000 Yeah, I'm trying to remember.

00:54:31.000 I have to see her name spelled out.

00:54:33.000 M-O-R-O-Z. Yeah. 1.00

00:54:36.000 But she just moved up to flyweight. 1.00

00:54:39.000 But she was ranked number 14. And I beat her. 1.00

00:54:43.000 And I was like, ooh, waiting until my ranking to pop up.

00:54:47.000 I gotta get at least 15. And the only thing that changed was they took her off the list. 0.66

00:54:52.000 So I was like, fuck you guys! 1.00

00:54:54.000 Fucking assholes! 1.00

00:54:56.000 Come on! 1.00

00:54:57.000 And I think after that, they put...

00:55:01.000 Or no, I think I finally made the list.

00:55:03.000 I was like 15 months later. 0.99

00:55:06.000 But then Mackenzie Dern misweighted by a gazillion pounds and knocked out fucking ABC. And they were like, pluck! 0.99

00:55:16.000 It took me off the rankings. 1.00

00:55:17.000 So I was like, fuck those guys! 1.00

00:55:19.000 So after that, I stopped looking. 1.00

00:55:21.000 And I think that was another part of that mental stress that I kept putting on myself.

00:55:28.000 I'm like, man, I keep losing.

00:55:30.000 I'm never going to make this ranking.

00:55:31.000 I'm never going to be valued as a fighter.

00:55:36.000 And really, the only thing that the ranking does is maybe gets you a few more dollars when you re-sign your contract.

00:55:44.000 The rankings don't really...

00:55:49.000 I'm not ranked.

00:56:16.000 The only fights that I got finished were the Rose fight, where I was super green.

00:56:21.000 That was my third fight.

00:56:22.000 She had almost won the Ultimate Fighter. 0.99

00:56:26.000 And then the Randa fight, where I was totally fucking myself in my own brain. 0.89

00:56:33.000 Aside from those two fights, I had always been competitive. 0.53

00:56:39.000 And I feel like even some of those I could have won if it was like different judges, but like the rankings never reflected that.

00:56:47.000 So since then I stopped, like once I realized that I tried to stop paying attention to it just because I felt like it was affecting my own self-worth, you know?

00:56:58.000 Like I was doubting myself as if this thing judged like how good of a fighter I was.

00:57:03.000 Right.

00:57:04.000 So yeah.

00:57:05.000 You're in a learning stage still.

00:57:07.000 That's what's so crazy about you.

00:57:10.000 You've only really been doing martial arts for 10 years. 1.00

00:57:14.000 That is fucking crazy. 0.98

00:57:16.000 10 years is when it all starts coming together as a martial artist. 0.99

00:57:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:21.000 And I think somebody told me that.

00:57:23.000 I think I have a friend who's an actor.

00:57:26.000 And he was actually on the same Muay Thai team that I went down to my first fight with.

00:57:33.000 And he's acting in LA now.

00:57:35.000 And when I was talking to him, I'm like, man, he started getting some bigger gigs.

00:57:41.000 And I was like, man, that's really awesome that it's all coming together for you.

00:57:45.000 And he's like, yeah, they say it only takes 10 years.

00:57:47.000 Like 10 years once you start getting your groove in any profession.

00:57:50.000 Yeah, comedy the same way.

00:57:51.000 That's what they say about a comedian.

00:57:53.000 Ten years in, you're a real headliner.

00:57:54.000 Nice, nice. 0.80

00:57:55.000 So, like, I just rounded ten years, and things just fucking fell together, you know?

00:58:02.000 Like, things have fallen in place.

00:58:04.000 The Hannah Cyphers fight, I mean, I told you this online, but when I saw it, I was like, she turned a corner.

00:58:08.000 Yeah.

00:58:09.000 It's like...

00:58:10.000 You see that sometimes.

00:58:12.000 In fighters, you see, like, there's a moment where they break through, where it all comes together, and they're putting things together in a different way, and you feel it.

00:58:22.000 You know, like, you feel it when you watch them, when you know that they've turned a corner.

00:58:25.000 And that's what I thought in the Cyphers fight.

00:58:27.000 When you were on top of her, hitting her with those elbows, I was like, Jesus Christ!

00:58:30.000 I was like, you were so ferocious.

00:58:34.000 I was like, that's someone who's turning the corner.

00:58:39.000 You turned the corner.

00:58:40.000 You became a finisher.

00:58:41.000 And you finished two people in a row, right?

00:58:43.000 Yeah.

00:58:44.000 And I think I was a little angry with the reception of my last finish, too.

00:58:51.000 I would have been okay if the fight went on.

00:58:54.000 Because I was surprised that they stopped it as well.

00:58:59.000 But you didn't think you got the props you deserved?

00:59:01.000 No, I didn't get the props.

00:59:03.000 And I was like, alright, I gotta show them.

00:59:05.000 And it wasn't just that.

00:59:06.000 It was also...

00:59:07.000 I took a peek at the scorecards after the fight.

00:59:11.000 And they had her winning the second round. 0.99

00:59:13.000 And I was like, get the fuck out of here. 0.95

00:59:16.000 I think two out of three judges scored the second round for her. 1.00

00:59:20.000 So going into the third, it was one and one.

00:59:23.000 And I thought I was tooling her. 0.97

00:59:26.000 But I was still like, okay, I got...

00:59:28.000 I'm still gonna be aggressive.

00:59:29.000 I'm still gonna land these elbows, you know, this and that.

00:59:32.000 But it kind of showed me like, dude, you gotta finish these fights.

00:59:38.000 Yeah.

00:59:39.000 Even though I feel like I'm winning, and the punches that hit me aren't marking me, they aren't hurting me, cutting me, and I can hit them and see the black eye as I bring my fist back to my face.

00:59:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:54.000 You feel the difference in power.

00:59:56.000 They don't see that.

00:59:57.000 The judges don't see that.

01:00:00.000 I feel like I have to finish fights in order to get the result that I want.

01:00:07.000 That's got to be so frustrating when you're fighting as a professional and the judges...

01:00:14.000 I mean, I say this so many times. 0.98

01:00:17.000 The Houston fight was fucking bananas. 0.98

01:00:19.000 Dude, and I was so happy you guys went on that rant because I've been saying it. 0.99

01:00:22.000 Dominic was going crazy.

01:00:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:24.000 Dominic was so angry.

01:00:25.000 He was so angry.

01:00:26.000 And afterwards, he was still angry. 0.99

01:00:28.000 He was so fucking mad. 0.99

01:00:29.000 And he should be. 0.99

01:00:30.000 He should be.

01:00:31.000 It was... 0.99

01:00:32.000 You know, whoever the fuck scored... 0.99

01:00:34.000 John Jones, four rounds to one over Dominic Reyes, should never score a fight again. 0.99

01:00:39.000 Yeah.

01:00:39.000 There's no way.

01:00:40.000 Because it's like the criteria that you use to say that he was dominant one round, you can't possibly use that for the next round.

01:00:47.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:00:49.000 John won for sure the last two rounds.

01:00:52.000 And he might have won the third.

01:00:54.000 Might have won the third.

01:00:55.000 I watched that fight three times since then. 0.98

01:00:58.000 I'm like, whew, that third round is fucking close. 0.90

01:01:00.000 Dominic landed some real good shots, but so did John. 0.97

01:01:03.000 So did John.

01:01:04.000 John kept pressing.

01:01:05.000 That was like right when he started slowing down, right?

01:01:07.000 Yep.

01:01:07.000 Dominic started slowing down, and John started turning it on.

01:01:10.000 It was somewhere around the third.

01:01:12.000 It just seemed like...

01:01:14.000 The third is the five.

01:01:15.000 That's the round.

01:01:16.000 But one and two are clear Dominic Reyes, and that judge did not score the second round.

01:01:21.000 I think the first round he gave it to Dominic, and the second round he gave it to Jon Jones.

01:01:24.000 No!

01:01:25.000 You can't do that, man.

01:01:26.000 You can't do that.

01:01:27.000 You don't know what you're watching.

01:01:28.000 There was another judge that gave the third round to Jones. 0.83

01:01:32.000 One gave the second round, and I thought the second round was closer than the third.

01:01:36.000 The biggest robbery of the night was earlier.

01:01:38.000 It was Andre Yule versus Jonathan Martinez. 1.00

01:01:41.000 That was a fucking robbery. 1.00

01:01:45.000 Ski masks, guns, duct tape. 1.00

01:01:48.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:01:49.000 That was a goddamn robbery. 1.00

01:01:51.000 That kid won. 1.00

01:01:52.000 Martinez won that fight.

01:01:54.000 You watch that. 0.99

01:01:56.000 When they announced the decision, we were like, what the fuck is happening? 0.99

01:02:01.000 That was the first bad one of the night. 0.99

01:02:04.000 But that was the worst one.

01:02:05.000 That was the worst one of the night.

01:02:06.000 I thought KGB won, too.

01:02:08.000 I did, too.

01:02:09.000 That was another one, right?

01:02:10.000 Everybody was booing like crazy.

01:02:12.000 I said it to her after the fight.

01:02:14.000 I thought you won that fight.

01:02:15.000 She threw way more shots. 0.99

01:02:17.000 It was a close fight.

01:02:18.000 It was a good fight.

01:02:19.000 But I thought she won that fight too. 1.00

01:02:21.000 It was just fucking terrible. 0.99

01:02:23.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:02:24.000 It's crazy.

01:02:25.000 How do you fix that?

01:02:28.000 You've got to fix those commissions.

01:02:31.000 Vegas does a real good job.

01:02:33.000 They do a better job than ever.

01:02:34.000 They're getting better at it.

01:02:36.000 But they still have judges that have no martial arts experience in Vegas.

01:02:39.000 They still have that.

01:02:40.000 That just shouldn't take place. 1.00

01:02:43.000 And there's my other fight that I'm like, fuck that. 0.99

01:02:46.000 Fuck that I want it is the Courtney Casey fight. 0.99

01:02:49.000 I don't know if you saw that one. 1.00

01:02:51.000 Yes, split decision.

01:02:51.000 Yeah.

01:02:52.000 Went against you.

01:02:52.000 I thought you won that fight too.

01:02:54.000 Thank you.

01:02:55.000 I did too.

01:02:56.000 That was a close fight.

01:02:57.000 It was a good fight.

01:02:58.000 But I thought you won that fight.

01:02:59.000 Yeah.

01:03:00.000 And it was like, I think...

01:03:02.000 Well, I don't have this conspiracy, but my husband, he like went and googled who, or not googled, but figured out who the judges were.

01:03:12.000 And one judge scored it 3027 for Casey somehow. 0.98

01:03:17.000 And it's like, how the fuck? 0.99

01:03:19.000 You know, like how the fuck? 1.00

01:03:21.000 So whenever he sees this guy's name now, he's like, oh shit, here we go again. 0.99

01:03:25.000 We need open scoring. 0.98

01:03:26.000 We need open scoring.

01:03:27.000 It should be announced at the end of the round. 0.96

01:03:28.000 It should be announced to the audience so the audience boos the fuck out of the judges.

01:03:31.000 With the judge's name and a picture of their face. 0.89

01:03:34.000 Yes!

01:03:35.000 100%.

01:03:36.000 100%.

01:03:36.000 Because I went online after the fight to try to find pictures of some of those judges from Houston.

01:03:41.000 And you couldn't even find their pictures.

01:03:42.000 I didn't look that hard.

01:03:43.000 But I looked a couple of pages into Google.

01:03:45.000 I bet Adam could figure it out.

01:03:46.000 My husband could figure it out.

01:03:48.000 He's Google-fu, man.

01:03:49.000 He's good at it.

01:03:51.000 Him and Jamie should have a Google off.

01:03:53.000 Jamie's the Google master.

01:03:54.000 Hey, ready, set, go!

01:03:57.000 Find a judge that screwed me over.

01:03:58.000 There's some people that shouldn't be doing it.

01:04:00.000 Yeah.

01:04:00.000 And I think there should be more judges.

01:04:02.000 I think three is crazy.

01:04:03.000 I think we should have, like, Glory has five for kickboxing. 0.99

01:04:07.000 And, I mean, I think five is a good number.

01:04:09.000 It's a better number.

01:04:10.000 Six is probably even better.

01:04:11.000 Yeah.

01:04:12.000 It's an octagon.

01:04:13.000 You have one for each panel.

01:04:14.000 Yes.

01:04:14.000 How about that?

01:04:15.000 That's not...

01:04:15.000 That's not a bad idea.

01:04:16.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:04:17.000 That is not a bad idea.

01:04:18.000 There you go, yeah.

01:04:18.000 One for each panel is actually a very good idea.

01:04:20.000 Because I definitely see a different fight from being there live and then watching it on camera.

01:04:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:26.000 Like, I see a totally different fight.

01:04:28.000 Well, sometimes even watching when I'm at the cage, you know, I want to see it in person, but sometimes I've got to look at the monitor.

01:04:36.000 Yeah.

01:04:36.000 And then I look at the monitor, it looks clearer.

01:04:37.000 I see things that I'm not seeing just looking through the cage.

01:04:40.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:40.000 And for a long time, judges didn't even have monitors.

01:04:43.000 Oh shit! 0.99

01:04:44.000 Now at least they have monitors. 1.00

01:04:45.000 But I think you're right.

01:04:46.000 I think eight is the magic number.

01:04:48.000 It's not like they pay those people a fuckload of money either.

01:04:51.000 Yeah, right? 0.99

01:04:52.000 Just fucking do it. 0.99

01:04:53.000 You definitely need more voices. 0.98

01:04:55.000 Because when you have something like a decision, like the Jon Jones fight with Dominic Reyes, I'm not against the decision.

01:05:03.000 It's not a robbery.

01:05:04.000 I mean, I could see an argument that Dominic Reyes won the fight.

01:05:07.000 I like John getting the decision because I like the guy who wins the last rounds more.

01:05:12.000 I think it means more because, look, if they're fighting to the death...

01:05:16.000 I have all my money on Jon Jones.

01:05:17.000 Because Jon Jones is dominating the fourth, dominating the fifth.

01:05:20.000 That's a ten round fight.

01:05:21.000 I don't think Dominic Reyes is going to make it.

01:05:23.000 I don't think he's going to make it.

01:05:24.000 And that means something.

01:05:25.000 That means something.

01:05:26.000 Because a fight, it is a game, right?

01:05:29.000 It is a sport.

01:05:30.000 You're scoring.

01:05:31.000 And the score should count.

01:05:33.000 But I think the last round should count more.

01:05:35.000 And that's how Pride used to do it.

01:05:37.000 They used to judge the fight overall.

01:05:39.000 They do that in Muay Thai too, like traditional Thai rules.

01:05:42.000 It's like they dance, or no, not dance, they fill out the first round and they fight the second and third round and then like the fourth round I guess decides who wins and then the fifth round is just a dance.

01:05:54.000 Really?

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:55.000 That's a lot of it because gambling and then they fight every weekend too, right?

01:05:58.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:05:59.000 So they're like, hey, I lost, so let's just dance it out, you know?

01:06:03.000 And if they really want it, they'll still try to get a knockout the fifth round, but usually it's just dance.

01:06:07.000 We have to do something.

01:06:09.000 We have to do something.

01:06:10.000 When you get to a place like Houston, and look, I love Texas.

01:06:14.000 I love going there.

01:06:15.000 I love the people.

01:06:16.000 I really love Texas.

01:06:17.000 But that was an embarrassment.

01:06:19.000 And there's no way that that should be a place where you have world title fights.

01:06:23.000 There's no way.

01:06:24.000 Unless they fix something.

01:06:25.000 There's no way.

01:06:26.000 I mean, can you imagine?

01:06:27.000 I was surprised it wasn't in Vegas.

01:06:29.000 Well, you know, they needed a good card for Houston.

01:06:32.000 Yeah.

01:06:33.000 I mean, it was packed.

01:06:34.000 The crowd was amazing.

01:06:35.000 It was great.

01:06:36.000 Yeah, it was fun.

01:06:37.000 I got to go to that one.

01:06:38.000 It was just marred by bad judges.

01:06:38.000 Oh, that's right.

01:06:39.000 But yeah, definitely a weird night, judging.

01:06:44.000 So are you leaving from here straight to the airport and going to New Zealand?

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:48.000 What is that flight?

01:06:49.000 Does it take three years?

01:06:50.000 How long does it take to get there?

01:06:51.000 Oh, man.

01:06:51.000 It's going to feel like it.

01:06:52.000 It's like...

01:06:53.000 I think it's 15 hours. 1.00

01:06:56.000 15 fucking hours. 0.99

01:06:59.000 So yeah. 1.00

01:06:59.000 Now you worried about coronavirus and shit when you fly? 1.00

01:07:02.000 Yes. 0.99

01:07:03.000 Yeah.

01:07:03.000 Kind of have to be, right?

01:07:04.000 Yeah.

01:07:05.000 I mean, I'm less worried about it than Adam.

01:07:09.000 He's like the worrywart of the two of us.

01:07:12.000 So I'm kind of like, I'll be fine, you know, whatever.

01:07:15.000 But it's definitely like a thing that I should be worried about.

01:07:18.000 Like, I think it just showed up in San Diego, like last week or something, like two people had it in San Diego.

01:07:26.000 And now that they're testing for, they're using a different test to detect it, they're getting even more cases.

01:07:35.000 So scary.

01:07:37.000 You know where it came from?

01:07:38.000 I was just listening to a podcast.

01:07:40.000 My friend Ryan Callahan's podcast today.

01:07:43.000 They were talking about it. 0.99

01:07:44.000 It came from people eating weird animals from a marketplace like bats and snakes and shit. 0.99

01:07:51.000 No. 1.00

01:07:51.000 Bro, in China they eat whatever the fuck they can get a hold of sometimes. 1.00

01:07:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:55.000 I mean, there was this one lady who got arrested, and she got arrested for serving or selling all these different animals. 0.99

01:08:03.000 She was selling eagles.

01:08:05.000 No.

01:08:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:06.000 You know, we get weird about eagles, but we don't give a fuck about a chicken. 0.99

01:08:10.000 I don't know. 0.98

01:08:11.000 Isn't that strange?

01:08:11.000 They're so noble.

01:08:13.000 They're big. 1.00

01:08:13.000 They're big as shit. 1.00

01:08:14.000 They're big as shit. 1.00

01:08:15.000 I feel bad when it's bigger than normal. 1.00

01:08:19.000 Like a really big...

01:08:21.000 Like an elephant.

01:08:22.000 Yeah, yeah, like a really big elephant I feel like really bad about eating just because I feel like its brain is bigger so it's probably more likely to be like sentient.

01:08:30.000 Oh, I'd have to be starving to death to eat an elephant.

01:08:33.000 Yeah.

01:08:33.000 It'd have to be like I'm trapped in the bush and I got a rifle.

01:08:37.000 Oh, I would never eat an elephant.

01:08:38.000 Like an elephant, like just an elephant, like they're like so amazing.

01:08:44.000 Incredible memories, too.

01:08:45.000 Yeah.

01:08:45.000 There's this crazy video of an elephant being reunited with, I think it's a sibling or a daughter or a mother or something like that, and they hadn't seen each other in 12 years, and they see each other, and they run to each other and wrap their trunks around each other.

01:08:58.000 It's crazy.

01:08:59.000 That is not like a deer.

01:09:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:09:03.000 Deer don't even know what the fuck's going on. 0.99

01:09:05.000 It's just like... 0.99

01:09:07.000 Is that a car?

01:09:08.000 Let me run in front of it.

01:09:10.000 They can teach elephants to paint themselves.

01:09:14.000 Have you ever seen that?

01:09:15.000 No.

01:09:16.000 Dude, you gotta see this.

01:09:17.000 Elephants can paint themselves.

01:09:19.000 They can paint an elephant.

01:09:21.000 Just with them holding onto the brush with their trunk, they make a trunk, they make the body, they make the tail.

01:09:27.000 It's crazy.

01:09:28.000 That's so cool.

01:09:29.000 They trained an elephant to paint himself.

01:09:31.000 That's so crazy.

01:09:32.000 It's so weird to watch.

01:09:34.000 So they could be smarter than apes then, right? 0.66

01:09:36.000 Or is it just different?

01:09:39.000 The thing is, the thing where it's hard to tell is like apes have fingers, right? 0.95

01:09:43.000 They can move stuff around.

01:09:44.000 Like chimps have incredible memories.

01:09:46.000 They have incredible short-term memories.

01:09:48.000 Like chimps have better memories than us when it comes to like, they'll flash a bunch of things on a screen and chimps can point out exactly what they saw if they get a reward.

01:09:57.000 Like if they get candy.

01:09:58.000 They'll give them candy if they can lay out some numbers and some things in the correct order. 0.98

01:10:05.000 Where you or I would be like, what the fuck did I see? 0.96

01:10:07.000 I don't remember. 0.79

01:10:08.000 We're burdened by too much information and data and all sorts of different things.

01:10:12.000 Chimps can just do it. 1.00

01:10:13.000 They have that one motivator.

01:10:15.000 Yeah, they want that candy.

01:10:17.000 But their memory's incredible.

01:10:19.000 That's crazy.

01:10:19.000 Chimps have bananas memories.

01:10:21.000 That's cool.

01:10:22.000 For lack of a better term.

01:10:23.000 Did you find that video of the elephant with the brush?

01:10:26.000 It's so weird to watch.

01:10:28.000 I want to see it.

01:10:28.000 I mean, apparently this is like they train this elephant specifically to learn how to do this, but it's still crazy impressive.

01:10:35.000 Mm-hmm.

01:10:35.000 Because he does a really good job.

01:10:38.000 Better than a four-year-old would.

01:10:40.000 Like a four-year-old person. 1.00

01:10:42.000 One of my kids when they're four, they wouldn't do as good a job of making a fucking elephant. 0.99

01:10:46.000 Did it look in the mirror? 0.99

01:10:47.000 I don't remember what it did.

01:10:49.000 How does it know?

01:10:50.000 You got it, Jamie?

01:10:52.000 I'm trying to find the exact one you're talking about.

01:10:54.000 This has been a controversial story, I believe.

01:10:56.000 Right, it is.

01:10:57.000 Well, I think it's controversial because they taught the elephant how to paint himself.

01:11:03.000 So the training methods are probably controversial?

01:11:06.000 I don't think they abused him.

01:11:09.000 Is that what they're thinking?

01:11:11.000 I'm looking hard for the video and that's what's coming up is abuse or not abuse. 0.99

01:11:15.000 Yeah, but that's animal rights dipshits. 1.00

01:11:18.000 Those people get fucking crazy. 0.99

01:11:20.000 I do feel really guilty about when I went to Thailand just to train out there and I did one of those elephant ride things. 0.99

01:11:29.000 I did too.

01:11:30.000 And I do feel guilty about it.

01:11:32.000 Me too.

01:11:32.000 I'm glad you did.

01:11:33.000 My whole family was like, that was so fun.

01:11:35.000 I was like, I'm not doing that again.

01:11:37.000 Yeah.

01:11:37.000 I'm like, I felt bad.

01:11:38.000 I mean, you feed the elephant.

01:11:39.000 Here it is.

01:11:40.000 So here it is.

01:11:41.000 Look at this.

01:11:42.000 Look at this elephant.

01:11:43.000 So he's painting himself.

01:11:44.000 It's a baby.

01:11:45.000 Yeah.

01:11:45.000 But I mean, he's, I don't know how you could say he's being abused.

01:11:49.000 I mean, he's just doing that.

01:11:51.000 It doesn't seem like there's any weird motivators other than, you know, they taught him how to do it.

01:11:57.000 They probably gave him some treats. 0.83

01:11:58.000 No, he's dry out of trunk.

01:12:00.000 Yeah.

01:12:01.000 No, I mean, they're all drawing themselves.

01:12:03.000 There's more than one.

01:12:04.000 Yeah.

01:12:05.000 Oh, he's drawing a duck.

01:12:06.000 That's crazy.

01:12:08.000 But just the fact that they can do that, that they can create something, and it reasonably resembles what they are, is nuts.

01:12:17.000 What they're making.

01:12:18.000 Yeah, I thought he had maybe a mirror in front of him.

01:12:22.000 Yeah, no, he didn't have a mirror.

01:12:23.000 He's done a Van Gogh or something.

01:12:25.000 It's pretty close to what an elephant looks like.

01:12:28.000 It says the truth about elephant paintings.

01:12:31.000 What is the truth?

01:12:31.000 Well, it must be like a stencil that they had.

01:12:35.000 They're just like tracing it or whatever.

01:12:38.000 Not tracing that, but like they must have trained them to make a certain shape.

01:12:42.000 Maybe.

01:12:42.000 So I doubt that the elephant knows that that's him.

01:12:45.000 I wonder.

01:12:46.000 But who knows?

01:12:48.000 Who knows?

01:12:48.000 They could be smarter than all of us.

01:12:50.000 Don't they say like fucking... 1.00

01:12:52.000 What is it? 1.00

01:12:54.000 What is it?

01:12:54.000 Squid?

01:12:55.000 Squid?

01:12:55.000 Octopus and squid.

01:12:56.000 Yeah, they're really stupid smart. 1.00

01:12:58.000 Really smart. 1.00

01:12:59.000 But they only live for like...

01:13:01.000 A couple weeks.

01:13:02.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:13:02.000 So I was like, how the fuck does that work? 0.97

01:13:05.000 Yeah, I think octopus live like two years or something stupid. 1.00

01:13:07.000 That's so crazy. 0.98

01:13:09.000 But I'm glad you said that about the elephants in Thailand.

01:13:11.000 I felt bad.

01:13:12.000 Yeah.

01:13:12.000 I didn't like the riding them thing, but you fed them.

01:13:15.000 We get to feed them sugar cane.

01:13:17.000 Yeah, that was the best part.

01:13:18.000 Were you near Chiang Mai?

01:13:20.000 No, I didn't get to go to any sanctuary, like the elephant sanctuary, where you get to bathe them.

01:13:25.000 Yeah, that's what we did.

01:13:26.000 Just run around with them.

01:13:28.000 Yeah, you clean them, and then you feed them sugarcane, and then you ride them. 0.96

01:13:33.000 And the riding part, I was like, I don't want to do that.

01:13:35.000 Well, did they have that big hook?

01:13:38.000 The hook?

01:13:39.000 When we went to the one that we went to, they have this big pole with a little hook on the end.

01:13:46.000 And it never hits them or anything, but it's just resting on their shoulder.

01:13:51.000 No, they didn't have that.

01:13:52.000 They just had a rope.

01:13:53.000 That was their training tool, I figured.

01:13:58.000 That was what they used to get them to behave.

01:14:01.000 It's like someone sitting next to you with a whip.

01:14:04.000 Oh, no.

01:14:05.000 You know what it could do.

01:14:06.000 It didn't do anything, but you just know it's there.

01:14:09.000 No, this place, one thing that I will definitely say is that they treated those elephants like pets.

01:14:15.000 They treated them really well.

01:14:16.000 They pet them, and you could tell they had a sweet relationship with them.

01:14:19.000 The elephant would wrap their trunk around the people, and the people would rub their head. 0.82

01:14:22.000 They wanted to be around those people, and then they would feed them a lot of sugar cane.

01:14:26.000 Like, we had these big stalks of sugarcane, and they would make you form...

01:14:30.000 See, the whole idea was a rehabilitation thing for elephants, and a lot of the elephants had been in circuses and zoos and things like that.

01:14:38.000 And then they actually had reintroduced a lot of them to the wild.

01:14:42.000 And when we were there, these elephants were not in cages.

01:14:44.000 They were free-roaming.

01:14:45.000 Oh, that's awesome.

01:14:46.000 And they were...

01:14:46.000 It was crazy.

01:14:47.000 Their power. 1.00

01:14:48.000 They just wrapped their trunk around shit, just pull it out of the roots, and then just start eating it. 1.00

01:14:52.000 Like, But then they're also really gentle. 0.99

01:14:54.000 Really gentle with people.

01:14:55.000 Like when they grab stuff out of your hand, it's just like, they fill your hand, and then they grab the treat around it.

01:15:02.000 And it's just like, what?

01:15:04.000 How are they so precise?

01:15:06.000 I know. 0.99

01:15:07.000 They're fucking smart. 1.00

01:15:08.000 Yeah, they're smart as shit. 1.00

01:15:09.000 They can bring those elephants back to a place where they can exist in the wild. 0.99

01:15:14.000 Because they basically eat everything that's in the jungle.

01:15:16.000 They just grab it and eat it.

01:15:17.000 They know what to do.

01:15:18.000 So while we're hanging out with them, they're just pulling trees out of the roots and just eating them right there.

01:15:22.000 But their disposition is so interesting.

01:15:25.000 It's just so interesting to be around them.

01:15:27.000 Just big and gentle.

01:15:28.000 Big and gentle. 0.99

01:15:29.000 I mean, they're so fucking big. 0.98

01:15:31.000 And they help you get up on them. 0.98

01:15:33.000 They lift their leg up and you stand on their leg.

01:15:35.000 Yeah.

01:15:35.000 And then you pull yourself up onto their back and then you hang onto this rope that's around them.

01:15:41.000 They didn't seem to mind that you were on their back.

01:15:43.000 But still, it felt like I would rather just feed them and pet them.

01:15:46.000 Yeah, like, they're not going to do that in a while.

01:15:48.000 They're not going to be like, hey, buddy.

01:15:50.000 Yeah, and then they go down to this pond, and then you wash them in the pond and everything.

01:15:57.000 It's interesting.

01:15:58.000 That one was really cool.

01:15:59.000 I wanted to go up to Chiang Mai, but we were at this place called...

01:16:03.000 There it is right there.

01:16:04.000 That's exactly where we were.

01:16:05.000 Ah, that's so pretty.

01:16:07.000 Yeah, that's exactly where we were.

01:16:08.000 That's awesome.

01:16:08.000 And so you go out there and you pet them.

01:16:10.000 They love it.

01:16:11.000 They're like, oh, you're giving us a bath.

01:16:13.000 They're like, oh, you're giving us a bath.

01:16:16.000 Oh my god.

01:16:17.000 They love the baths too.

01:16:19.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:16:19.000 But that water is filled with shit. 1.00

01:16:22.000 They just shit in the water while you're out there. 1.00

01:16:24.000 Would you really mind though? 1.00

01:16:26.000 It's elephant shit. 0.99

01:16:27.000 It's not that bad. 1.00

01:16:27.000 It's just leaves. 1.00

01:16:28.000 It's probably lucky in some cultures.

01:16:32.000 I'm sure it is.

01:16:34.000 I went to a wolf sanctuary this past weekend.

01:16:37.000 Not this past weekend.

01:16:39.000 What's today?

01:16:39.000 I went Friday.

01:16:40.000 Yeah, Friday.

01:16:41.000 Is that nearby?

01:16:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:43.000 It's depressing.

01:16:45.000 Oh, really?

01:16:46.000 It's depressing.

01:16:46.000 Well, they all are abused by being rehabilitated or something?

01:16:51.000 No, no, they're not abused, but they're contained, and that's what's depressing.

01:16:55.000 It's like, most of them came from people wanting a wolf for a pet.

01:16:59.000 They're like, oh, I'm gonna have a wolf, I'll be a badass, and then it just rips your house apart and doesn't listen to you at all, and you realize, oh my god, this isn't a dog.

01:17:06.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:17:06.000 They're fucking wolves. 1.00

01:17:07.000 Like, it started off so well when you were a puppy. 1.00

01:17:09.000 Some of them are so big.

01:17:11.000 Yeah.

01:17:11.000 But to me, what was depressing was, first of all, they neuter them when they get in there.

01:17:16.000 They kind of have to because they don't want them to breed because then they'll create more of the same situation. 0.97

01:17:22.000 But then the other thing is that they're in this pen and then they don't get to be free.

01:17:26.000 So it's not like a big area?

01:17:28.000 No, it's not that big.

01:17:29.000 The pen they were in is not as big as the studio.

01:17:33.000 It's not that big. 1.00

01:17:34.000 For a fucking wolf. 1.00

01:17:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:36.000 I mean, wolves want to run and hunt.

01:17:38.000 That's what they want to do.

01:17:39.000 They want to hunt.

01:17:40.000 So they never re-release them into the wild or anything?

01:17:43.000 No.

01:17:43.000 I mean, listen to this, though.

01:17:45.000 Listen to them howling.

01:17:52.000 That's when we were leaving.

01:17:53.000 We were leaving, they were howling.

01:17:55.000 They wanted you to come back.

01:17:57.000 Well, we went into the pens.

01:17:58.000 See how little the pens are, though?

01:18:00.000 Yeah.

01:18:00.000 We went into the pens and pet them.

01:18:02.000 Like, these people, they are amazing, and they're doing an amazing job, don't get me wrong.

01:18:05.000 Yeah.

01:18:06.000 I mean, they're keeping these animals alive, and they're feeding them, and they do love them, and they go in there and take care of them and pet them, but to me, it's like... 0.99

01:18:14.000 That's a fucking wolf. 0.99

01:18:15.000 That wolf should be on a mountain somewhere. 1.00

01:18:17.000 It should be chasing down a deer.

01:18:18.000 It shouldn't be living like that.

01:18:20.000 They're beautiful.

01:18:22.000 It just bummed me out.

01:18:24.000 It made me feel like I went to a prison.

01:18:27.000 These are incredible animals.

01:18:30.000 The only way they can keep them is to...

01:18:32.000 That's Forrest Glant, who's a wildlife biologist who's been on the podcast for...

01:18:37.000 I'm getting kissed right there by a wolf.

01:18:39.000 They're very sweet.

01:18:40.000 Some of them you can pet and hug them and hang on to them.

01:18:46.000 They like you.

01:18:47.000 They like people. 1.00

01:18:48.000 But they're fucking wolves. 1.00

01:18:50.000 You're not telling them shit. 1.00

01:18:52.000 There's no sit, lie down, fuck you. 1.00

01:18:54.000 They're wolves. 1.00

01:18:55.000 Well, that's good that they have somewhere to rescue them from people who would have just put them down themselves.

01:19:03.000 They would have put them down.

01:19:05.000 And that is a lot of what they did.

01:19:06.000 They did keep a lot of them from being put down, but I left there feeling really depressed.

01:19:11.000 Isn't that how that...

01:19:12.000 I forget what his name is, but he has a huge Instagram, and he has all the big cats.

01:19:18.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:19:19.000 Fuck, what is his name? 1.00

01:19:20.000 What is it called? 1.00

01:19:22.000 Yeah, I can't think of it, but it's like something...

01:19:41.000 It's mostly people in Texas.

01:19:43.000 Yeah, I bet.

01:19:45.000 You know, there's more tigers in captivity in Texas in people's backyards than there are in all the wilds of the world.

01:19:51.000 Are there, what?

01:19:52.000 Are there, like, no laws or something with, like, animal stuff? 0.99

01:19:55.000 Texas doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:19:57.000 You want a giraffe? 1.00

01:19:58.000 Go get yourself a giraffe.

01:19:59.000 Oh, my God.

01:20:00.000 You can just have a tiger.

01:20:01.000 That might be fun.

01:20:02.000 Get a giraffe.

01:20:03.000 I feel like a giraffe would be more chill with like staying in like a... 1.00

01:20:06.000 Oh, they're so chill.

01:20:06.000 Yeah, they're just like...

01:20:07.000 Well, they're so chill.

01:20:08.000 I used to have a bit about them like they're the only animals that I don't feel bad for at the zoo because they're walking around the zoo like another day with no lions.

01:20:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:20:16.000 And they're just wandering around.

01:20:17.000 Oh, lions majestic.

01:20:20.000 Is that a random account?

01:20:21.000 Yeah, no, that's not it.

01:20:23.000 Oh, no, it's called black jaguar something.

01:20:26.000 Yeah, black jaguar something.

01:20:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

01:20:29.000 But yeah, it's a lot like that.

01:20:30.000 Black Jaguar something.

01:20:32.000 It's not...

01:20:33.000 Black Jaguar, White Tiger.

01:20:34.000 That's it.

01:20:35.000 That's it.

01:20:36.000 I'm not sure where it is, but yeah.

01:20:40.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:20:40.000 Black Jaguar, White Tiger.

01:20:42.000 Yeah, he's just cuddling tigers and shit. 0.99

01:20:45.000 What? 1.00

01:20:45.000 Oh, he's in Mexico? 1.00

01:20:47.000 When we were out there. 1.00

01:20:50.000 The most depressing shit I ever saw for sure was at Tiger Sanctuary in Thailand. 1.00

01:20:56.000 It was so depressing, because they were all drugged. 1.00

01:20:59.000 Because you could take a picture with a tiger, and the tiger's landing like this. 0.99

01:21:03.000 Like a drugged prostitute in a room. 1.00

01:21:07.000 And people were smiling and taking pictures. 1.00

01:21:10.000 And I said, I am not going in that fucking cage. 0.99

01:21:13.000 I'm not taking part of it. 1.00

01:21:14.000 We thought it was just a tiger sanctuary.

01:21:16.000 They rescue tigers.

01:21:17.000 You go look at tigers.

01:21:18.000 I'm like, it'd be cool for my kids to see some tigers.

01:21:21.000 But then when we got there, I'm like, oh no.

01:21:23.000 These people are getting...

01:21:23.000 And there's a difference because they have little cubs.

01:21:27.000 And so you go in a room and there's a pen.

01:21:29.000 And these are little cubs.

01:21:30.000 They're tiny.

01:21:31.000 They're only a couple of weeks old.

01:21:32.000 Or four or five weeks old.

01:21:34.000 Whatever it is, they can be around people.

01:21:36.000 Six weeks old.

01:21:37.000 And you can play with them.

01:21:38.000 But they're super energetic.

01:21:40.000 They're jumping on you.

01:21:41.000 And they're swatting things.

01:21:42.000 They're playing with each other and rolling around.

01:21:43.000 And then as they get older, it gets to a year or two, and then they stop being natural, and then they're all drugged.

01:21:51.000 So you could be around the littler tigers, and there's a bunch of handlers around, and everybody's real nervous.

01:21:57.000 They keep the tigers away from you, and the tigers, they're looking at you, but they're there.

01:22:02.000 But they're only like a year old. 0.99

01:22:03.000 Then you get to the full-grown tigers, and they're just fucked up. 0.99

01:22:06.000 They're all drugged. 0.99

01:22:08.000 They're all drugged.

01:22:09.000 That's crazy.

01:22:10.000 And I guess that's like...

01:22:13.000 Like, my brain never thought of, like, oh, yeah, they must be drugged in order to be sitting in a room with strangers and not freaking out.

01:22:21.000 Like, I never thought about it.

01:22:23.000 When you go there, you could tell.

01:22:23.000 But, yeah, that makes so much sense.

01:22:25.000 Have you ever had one of these?

01:22:26.000 A CBD, uh, Kill Cliff?

01:22:28.000 No.

01:22:28.000 Is it, uh, you sound approved?

01:22:30.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:31.000 It's just CBD. I'm addicted to these, though.

01:22:34.000 These are Kill Cliffs?

01:22:35.000 Mmm.

01:22:37.000 Mmm.

01:22:38.000 Like Overkill. 0.97

01:22:40.000 Pretty goddamn good, right? 0.96

01:22:41.000 Yeah, that's pretty good. 0.96

01:22:42.000 25 milligrams.

01:22:43.000 Thanks.

01:22:44.000 But if you go into that room in the cage, rather, and see the tigers, you know right away they're drunk.

01:22:49.000 Yeah.

01:22:49.000 Because they're just laying there like that.

01:22:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:51.000 And that's a nice thing with that black jaguar tiger guy.

01:22:55.000 Like, you always see the tigers are like playing with them.

01:22:59.000 Yeah.

01:23:00.000 They're swatting him around like the kittens you were talking about.

01:23:03.000 You can see their claws are retracted.

01:23:06.000 They actually like the guy.

01:23:08.000 They're just having fun.

01:23:09.000 Yeah, they could tear him apart at any point, but they're still nibbling on him and stuff. 1.00

01:23:13.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:23:14.000 Dude, that guy is crazy. 1.00

01:23:15.000 He's like the big cat Steve Irwin, I guess. 1.00

01:23:18.000 Yeah, he's nuts. 0.99

01:23:19.000 There's a few of those guys. 1.00

01:23:21.000 There's a guy in Texas that does that.

01:23:24.000 No kidding.

01:23:24.000 Another one in Texas.

01:23:26.000 But he's got...

01:23:33.000 We're good to go.

01:23:47.000 Yeah.

01:23:47.000 The wolf thing was a real bummer.

01:23:49.000 I didn't think it was going to bum me out as much, but it bummed me out.

01:23:52.000 I mean, I'm happy that those people are doing it, and I think what they're doing is amazing.

01:23:56.000 Don't get me wrong, but for me, just the feeling of being around that thing, like, oh, that thing wants to run.

01:24:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:03.000 That thing wants to, you just open that gate.

01:24:04.000 That's like your animal, right?

01:24:06.000 Yeah.

01:24:07.000 Wolves.

01:24:07.000 I love them.

01:24:08.000 You're big on wolves.

01:24:09.000 Did you see, what was that movie at the very end, he goes once more into the fray?

01:24:15.000 Oh, was that Liam Neeson?

01:24:17.000 Yeah.

01:24:17.000 The gray?

01:24:18.000 Yeah, the gray.

01:24:19.000 The gray.

01:24:20.000 That was a good one.

01:24:20.000 I have a friend of mine who shot an elk in Alberta, and the elk, he didn't know it, but the elk, when, you know, they shot it with a bow and arrow, the elk ran and died, and they were trying to pack the elk out, and these wolves started circling them.

01:24:34.000 They didn't realize they were in a wolf's den.

01:24:36.000 Oh.

01:24:37.000 They shot the elk, and the elk literally died right outside the wolf's den, and the wolves decided to claim the elk.

01:24:44.000 Oh.

01:24:44.000 So they're circling them.

01:24:45.000 So these guys had their back to a tree.

01:24:47.000 They shot three of them as they ran at them. 1.00

01:24:49.000 Damn. 1.00

01:24:50.000 Wild big wolves. 1.00

01:24:51.000 And they were big, right?

01:24:53.000 Big wolves.

01:24:53.000 Like real 125 pound wolves.

01:24:56.000 Damn. 1.00

01:24:56.000 Yes. 1.00

01:24:57.000 That's like what I walk at.

01:24:59.000 Yeah, you can find the video.

01:25:01.000 John Dudley, who's a good friend of mine, was on the podcast talking about it.

01:25:05.000 But he only had three arrows left.

01:25:08.000 And his friend only had three bullets. 0.98

01:25:10.000 So they're standing there with their back to a tree and they got like fucking 20 wolves around them. 0.99

01:25:15.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:25:16.000 It's crazy.

01:25:17.000 That's so cool.

01:25:18.000 Yeah. 0.89

01:25:18.000 Yeah, to live and tell that story is fucking awesome. 0.89

01:25:22.000 He's got the skulls of the wolves. 0.99

01:25:24.000 Oh my god.

01:25:25.000 I have one of them on my desk at home.

01:25:27.000 So did they just back off after they took out a few?

01:25:30.000 Yeah, once they realized that they killed three of them, the wolves were like, okay, this is not good.

01:25:35.000 But they wanted that elk.

01:25:36.000 They were hungry.

01:25:37.000 Did they leave the elk at least?

01:25:38.000 No, they didn't leave the elk.

01:25:39.000 They took it. 1.00

01:25:39.000 They were like, fuck you, wolves. 1.00

01:25:40.000 Fuck you, wolves. 1.00

01:25:41.000 Superior fucking species. 1.00

01:25:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:25:44.000 Yeah, the wolves didn't know that my friend John was down to one arrow because he killed two with his bow and the other guy was down to like two bullets. 0.99

01:25:52.000 Damn, that's crazy. 1.00

01:25:53.000 Fuck, yeah, that's crazy. 1.00

01:25:54.000 So lucky, man. 1.00

01:25:56.000 Well, those animals used to kill everybody.

01:25:57.000 That's what Little Red Widing Hood was all about.

01:25:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:01.000 Yeah.

01:26:01.000 Do you know there was a ceasefire in World War I? Because they were fighting in Russia.

01:26:06.000 The Germans and the Russians were fighting.

01:26:08.000 And so many people were getting killed by wolves that they decided to have a ceasefire. 1.00

01:26:13.000 Because the wolves in Russia are just fucking ruthless. 0.98

01:26:16.000 Is that like when it was snowing and stuff? 0.99

01:26:18.000 Yeah.

01:26:19.000 And the wolves were eating the soldiers. 1.00

01:26:20.000 Damn. 0.99

01:26:21.000 They were killing soldiers that were on patrol and they were also, like when everyone, somebody got wounded and they were on the battlefield, they would just get torn apart by wolves in front of everybody. 1.00

01:26:32.000 That would make a great movie.

01:26:33.000 Yeah, it would make a great movie. 0.67

01:26:35.000 So they had to share communication back and forth between, I'm pretty sure it was the Germans and the Russians, and they said, let's just kill some wolves for a while.

01:26:43.000 And so they had a ceasefire, they killed wolves, and they went back to killing each other. 1.00

01:26:47.000 Damn. 1.00

01:26:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:49.000 Damn. 1.00

01:26:51.000 Fucking history's no joke. 1.00

01:26:54.000 That's nuts. 1.00

01:26:56.000 Yeah.

01:26:57.000 So, back to fighting.

01:26:59.000 Speaking of caged wolves.

01:27:01.000 How much do you walk around at?

01:27:02.000 How much do you walk around at?

01:27:04.000 I don't walk that heavy.

01:27:06.000 I try to stay above 30, 130, but usually it doesn't happen.

01:27:13.000 So, I'll be between 130, 125. So, you only have to cut 10. Yeah, I only have to cut 10. I've never been a big strawweight.

01:27:21.000 What do you weigh right now?

01:27:23.000 Probably like 125. And so you're fighting this weekend?

01:27:26.000 Yeah, I'm fighting this weekend.

01:27:27.000 So do you taper off or do you just cut the water?

01:27:30.000 I taper off this week.

01:27:31.000 So I was eating pasta for dinner all the way up until this morning.

01:27:38.000 So that's how I keep my weight on because otherwise my metabolism, just from training and running, I'll be at 120 without even trying.

01:27:47.000 So if Adam Weight was a weight class, you would go there?

01:27:50.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:27:51.000 It's such a big jump.

01:27:54.000 So it's a weird one for me because 110 is probably my healthiest weight class.

01:28:00.000 105, I start to look crazy.

01:28:03.000 Skeletor-like. 0.96

01:28:04.000 Yeah, skeletor.

01:28:04.000 I posted a video recently and it was from somebody who was following me before one of my Muay Thai fights.

01:28:12.000 And dude, I look so crazy.

01:28:14.000 I look straight up like...

01:28:16.000 Is it on your Instagram?

01:28:17.000 Yeah, it's on my Instagram.

01:28:19.000 But I think you can see just like my cheekbones.

01:28:21.000 It's just like a still of me throwing a kick.

01:28:24.000 But like my cheekbones are so sunken in.

01:28:27.000 There it is right there.

01:28:28.000 Yeah, like you can see it.

01:28:29.000 Like I look like my weigh-ins.

01:28:31.000 I was probably about one...

01:28:33.000 13 right there.

01:28:35.000 So you're really dieting hard.

01:28:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:38.000 I'm on my calorie counter.

01:28:40.000 I'm making sure I'm not eating carbs after 6. Carbs after sundown, that was the rule.

01:28:47.000 No carbs after sundown.

01:28:49.000 It's got to be harder for women, right? 1.00

01:28:51.000 Because your body wants to hold more body fat than a man's.

01:28:56.000 I've never had a problem cutting weight.

01:28:58.000 I've always been okay.

01:28:59.000 I think I just never tried to cut too much.

01:29:02.000 I think if I was bigger, then it would be an issue.

01:29:06.000 A lot of girls, they see who's cutting weight and how big they get, and then they get scared, so they try to go down a weight class below them. 0.98

01:29:14.000 If you look at Amanda Nunes, she isn't really the biggest Bantamweight. 1.00

01:29:20.000 She's kind of a natural Bantamweight. 1.00

01:29:22.000 She looks about the same size as Nina Ansaroff. 0.90

01:29:25.000 Do you think so?

01:29:27.000 I think so.

01:29:27.000 When I see her in fight camp, or when I see them both outside of fight camp, they look about the same size.

01:29:35.000 I disagree.

01:29:37.000 Oh yeah?

01:29:37.000 Yeah, I think Amanda looks thick.

01:29:39.000 Her shoulders.

01:29:40.000 Yeah, but she's all shoulders. 1.00

01:29:42.000 Like, her waist is small.

01:29:44.000 Like, she's not, like, I don't know.

01:29:45.000 She's not, like, built up.

01:29:47.000 Right.

01:29:47.000 She's not, like, muscular.

01:29:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:50.000 She's just a little broad. 1.00

01:29:51.000 But, like, she's...

01:29:53.000 She's not like Cyborg.

01:29:54.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:29:56.000 She's not, like, cutting, like, to the point where she looks like she's about to die.

01:30:00.000 But she's still a world beater. 1.00

01:30:02.000 So it's kind of cool to see that.

01:30:04.000 And I think a lot of people perform better when they're not cutting a ton of weight.

01:30:09.000 Just because you're in there more natural.

01:30:12.000 You're moving the same way you move in training. 0.97

01:30:14.000 Whereas if you cut a shit ton of weight, you're kind of half-cocked. 0.89

01:30:20.000 You're already depleted. 0.99

01:30:23.000 Your brain's not as healthy.

01:30:24.000 You don't have as much water in there.

01:30:26.000 You're just weaker.

01:30:27.000 Yeah, you're just weaker all around.

01:30:29.000 There's a point of diminishing returns, right, where you just cut too much.

01:30:32.000 If you cut a little bit, you're probably pretty good, but a lot of people became who they really should have been once they moved up in weight, like Masvidal or Dustin Poirier.

01:30:41.000 Dustin Poirier just couldn't make 45 anymore, and now he's having a hard time making 55. He's so big, he might have to move up to 70. Yeah, and your body just, like, kind of fights against you.

01:30:52.000 Like, once you had all those, like, really tough weight cuts, and that's why I'm not, like, super on that, like, oh, I'm going to go to 105 train.

01:30:59.000 Like, I might try it once.

01:31:00.000 I feel like everyone gets, like, one missed.

01:31:03.000 Yeah, if it existed.

01:31:05.000 Like, I might try once, and if I miss it, I'd be like, all right, not going to do that again, you know?

01:31:09.000 Yeah.

01:31:10.000 That's got to be hard, too, to go through the camp, like, diminishing yourself in camp.

01:31:15.000 Yeah.

01:31:15.000 Like, T.J. Dillashaw's the worst example, right?

01:31:17.000 When he went down to 125, he looked horrific.

01:31:20.000 And that's what I would look like.

01:31:21.000 He looked like a dead man.

01:31:22.000 Like, I'd look like all skin and bones and, like, muscles, you know?

01:31:25.000 And, like, it's, like, scary.

01:31:26.000 But at the same time, when I did do it, which, granted, was about eight years ago, When I did do it, I only dieted.

01:31:35.000 I didn't know anything about water cuts or I didn't do hot baths or anything like that.

01:31:43.000 I would just diet down to about 112 and then not eat anything the next day.

01:31:47.000 And that was me making weight.

01:31:49.000 I really wish there was more weight classes in MMA. Yeah.

01:31:52.000 Women's MMA and men's MMA. At least with women's, it's now 10 pound increments. 0.99

01:31:56.000 Yeah, it was insane when it was just 135 and 115. Crazy.

01:32:01.000 You had people killing themselves trying to make 115. That's such a giant gap with women. 1.00

01:32:06.000 Yeah.

01:32:06.000 20 pound gap is huge.

01:32:07.000 Yeah, and then the girls are so much bigger at 135, like crazy big. 1.00

01:32:13.000 Kat Zagano was at Alliance for a little bit, and when she wasn't at weight, I was just like, dude, there's no reason I should be training with you right now.

01:32:24.000 She's a strong girl. 0.95

01:32:25.000 She's just fucking bullying me around. 1.00

01:32:26.000 I know. 1.00

01:32:26.000 She's just tossing me like a little rag doll. 1.00

01:32:28.000 She's in the 60s, right?

01:32:29.000 When she's not training.

01:32:30.000 I'm not sure.

01:32:31.000 She's got to get close to 160. I'm not sure.

01:32:33.000 She's a large lady. 1.00

01:32:34.000 And I mean that in a good way.

01:32:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:36.000 Large and in charge.

01:32:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:32:38.000 She's fucking strong as shit. 1.00

01:32:39.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:32:40.000 She's an athlete, man.

01:32:41.000 She's an athlete.

01:32:42.000 Big athlete.

01:32:42.000 Yeah.

01:32:43.000 Just tough.

01:32:43.000 I remember her fight with Amanda Nunes when Amanda had her really rocked in that first round and then she came back to stop her.

01:32:49.000 Yeah.

01:32:49.000 Yeah, that was amazing.

01:32:50.000 To this day, when she won that fight and screamed, poof, it just gives you chills. 1.00

01:32:56.000 Yeah.

01:32:57.000 It was like one of the most primal.

01:32:58.000 Yeah, because that was just like from her bones.

01:33:05.000 Yeah.

01:33:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:07.000 She won and she went through hell in that first round. 1.00

01:33:10.000 That fight fucked her up for a long time. 0.98

01:33:13.000 She was talking about it on the podcast. 0.93

01:33:15.000 She got brain damage from that fight.

01:33:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:17.000 She's still recovering from it.

01:33:19.000 That is crazy.

01:33:21.000 Yeah, it's just... 0.99

01:33:22.000 Amanda Nunes is a freak. 1.00

01:33:24.000 She's a monster. 1.00

01:33:24.000 She's a freak. 1.00

01:33:25.000 She should be put in jail for what she's doing. 1.00

01:33:27.000 Well, when she clipped Cyborg, you could see Cyborg going, what the fuck? 1.00

01:33:32.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:33:33.000 Because, like I said, it doesn't look like she hits that hard.

01:33:35.000 Oh my gosh, she hits so hard. 0.98

01:33:37.000 And then she hits, and then it lands, and it's just like, whoa, like, yeah, she's got something going on.

01:33:43.000 It's crazy how some people just have this weird power edge.

01:33:46.000 They got that touch, yeah.

01:33:48.000 Yeah, like Deontay Wilder.

01:33:49.000 Like, he's the best example of it. 0.99

01:33:51.000 It's like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:33:52.000 Yeah, a little... 0.99

01:33:53.000 Alex Pereira, you know Alex Pereira in Glory?

01:33:55.000 No.

01:33:55.000 He's the only guy that's knocked out Israel Adesanya.

01:33:58.000 Oh.

01:33:58.000 Knocked him out in a kickboxing fight.

01:34:00.000 He's a fucking freak. 1.00

01:34:02.000 It's the same thing. 1.00

01:34:02.000 With a punch? 1.00

01:34:03.000 He knocked him out with a left hook.

01:34:05.000 One punch, boom, flatlined him. 0.61

01:34:07.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:34:08.000 He hits so fucking hard, he knocks out everybody. 0.98

01:34:11.000 But it's one of those weird guys where sometimes people just have this power. 0.98

01:34:17.000 This weird, freaky power.

01:34:19.000 Yep.

01:34:19.000 And I'm still hopeful that, like, that's going to be me eventually because, like, you know, Amanda Nunes didn't really do that for a long time.

01:34:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:29.000 And then after that cat fight, I think after the Shevchenko, the first Shevchenko fight, she just started finding her groove and finding that money mark.

01:34:38.000 Yeah, her timing got money. 0.66

01:34:40.000 She also just really took her training far more seriously and invested much more time in her strength and conditioning.

01:34:48.000 That's a big factor because Amanda would get tired and that's what happened in the Katzingano fight. 1.00

01:34:53.000 She had Katzingano really badly hurt in the first round but then Kat just so tough she came back in the second and wound up stopping her. 1.00

01:35:00.000 Same with the first Shevchenko fight, too. 0.88

01:35:03.000 I think that's why the rematch happened, because Valentina just had a really strong last round against her, so she nipped that in the butt. 1.00

01:35:13.000 But it's interesting how you need weight glasses. 0.99

01:35:16.000 You need those increments, because Valentina 125 is just a fucking monster. 1.00

01:35:20.000 She's a monster. 1.00

01:35:23.000 She's so good. 0.99

01:35:24.000 It's such a huge gap, too.

01:35:26.000 It's such a huge gap between, I don't know, a number one contender and champ.

01:35:32.000 It doesn't even make sense.

01:35:34.000 It's crazy.

01:35:34.000 That fight, I did my best to pump up Caitlyn Chukagian and to make it seem like it's going to be a good fight.

01:35:41.000 But all I could think of is, how is this girl going to beat her? 1.00

01:35:43.000 How are you going to beat her?

01:35:45.000 She does everything perfect.

01:35:46.000 Yeah, I thought numbers, if you're going just volume, I thought that Caitlyn could close the gap a bit.

01:35:55.000 I didn't think so.

01:35:56.000 This is why.

01:35:57.000 Because Caitlyn, she uses points, she scores well, but she very rarely knocks people out. 0.95

01:36:03.000 She knocked down Liz Karmouche with a head kick, but Liz survived and wound up winning the decision. 1.00

01:36:09.000 Right, right.

01:36:11.000 Valentina makes you pay. 1.00

01:36:12.000 She makes you pay. 1.00

01:36:14.000 So all those shots that she would throw, the volume, it's different.

01:36:18.000 Because you put the shots out there and then bop!

01:36:21.000 And it comes back and you're just like, whoa! 1.00

01:36:23.000 Those kicks come back at you and you're like, fuck! 1.00

01:36:26.000 That elbow comes back and you're like, whoa! 1.00

01:36:28.000 So now you're like, now everything's more at a distance.

01:36:31.000 And you lose your ability to engage. 1.00

01:36:34.000 You get nervous because every time you engage, she's looking to take your fucking head off. 1.00

01:36:38.000 Yeah, yeah, she answers. 1.00

01:36:39.000 Especially after that Jessica-I fight.

01:36:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:42.000 Whoa.

01:36:43.000 Yeah.

01:36:43.000 That was crazy.

01:36:44.000 I think that's the one that made me a fan because I was hating for a while.

01:36:47.000 I was like, she ain't that good.

01:36:49.000 She just hasn't fought anyone yet.

01:36:51.000 She beat up that poor girl. 1.00

01:36:52.000 Oh, the Brazilian girl? 1.00

01:36:55.000 I think she's fighting.

01:36:56.000 No, she's not fighting in Auckland, right?

01:36:59.000 I do not know.

01:37:00.000 I don't know if she's on that card.

01:37:01.000 But I don't remember her name.

01:37:02.000 They should have stopped that fight way, way, way before that.

01:37:05.000 They shouldn't have made that fight.

01:37:06.000 I was just like, come on, guys.

01:37:08.000 That's just mean.

01:37:11.000 But after that, I was just like, man, y'all are giving her all these props for destroying this poor girl.

01:37:16.000 She shouldn't have been in there against anyone.

01:37:18.000 But then after the Jessica Ai fight, I was like, yo, she's got something.

01:37:22.000 That lady's scary. 1.00

01:37:23.000 She's a dominant. 1.00

01:37:24.000 Yeah, she's going to be a dominant champ. 1.00

01:37:26.000 She's just a scary person. 0.99

01:37:28.000 She went down to the range in Texas and the guys who run the range were like, the way that lady shoots, she shoots like a fucking special ops soldier. 1.00

01:37:39.000 We haven't seen someone come in here and shoot that good unless they're a SEAL or a competitive shooter. 0.99

01:37:44.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:37:45.000 She's a fucking straight up killer all around. 1.00

01:37:48.000 Someone stopped talking shit about her dancing. 1.00

01:37:51.000 You gotta see her groups. 1.00

01:37:52.000 She was like pistol groups.

01:37:54.000 Top, top, top.

01:37:55.000 Everything's in the heart.

01:37:56.000 She's a special hard lady. 1.00

01:38:00.000 You should take her hunting with you. 0.99

01:38:02.000 Oh, she probably would fucking jump on something's back and strangle it. 1.00

01:38:06.000 Kick a wolf in the head. 1.00

01:38:07.000 Yeah, she's a hard lady. 1.00

01:38:08.000 But it's...

01:38:10.000 People like that that make the rest of the division rise up, right?

01:38:14.000 Like, remember when Anderson Silva was just dominating everybody at 185? 0.98

01:38:17.000 And it was like, who the fuck could beat that guy? 0.99

01:38:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:38:20.000 It took someone like that to be that unstoppable force at the top of the mountain that made all the rest of the division rise up.

01:38:29.000 Mm-hmm.

01:38:29.000 And then as Anderson got a little older, and those guys got better, and Chris Wyman wound up beating them, and then the division comes alive.

01:38:36.000 Just got mixed up, and yeah, it's exciting again.

01:38:39.000 Now it's just chaos, and Robert Whittaker, and now Adesanya, and Yoel Romero's gonna fight Adesanya in a couple of weeks.

01:38:45.000 I can't wait.

01:38:45.000 Woo!

01:38:46.000 They're like, let me hurry up and get my fight out the way so I can be a fan again, you know?

01:38:50.000 That fight's crazy.

01:38:51.000 Yeah.

01:38:52.000 Oh, the dance-off was so sick.

01:38:54.000 I know.

01:38:55.000 Right in front of Dana, he does a backflip and almost kicks Dana in the head. 0.99

01:38:58.000 Yeah.

01:38:58.000 I'm like, I don't even think Dana saw what happened right there.

01:39:02.000 You can see it on his face.

01:39:04.000 Like, they did it in slow motion.

01:39:05.000 You can see his face.

01:39:06.000 Like, Yoel had already flipped, and Dana's like...

01:39:09.000 Yeah.

01:39:09.000 He just probably saw a foot out of his peripheral.

01:39:12.000 Like, what is happening?

01:39:14.000 Yoel is such a freak. 1.00

01:39:16.000 He's insane. 1.00

01:39:17.000 He's such a freak. 0.99

01:39:17.000 That's another thing that gives me hope. 0.99

01:39:19.000 Because I've always been self-conscious about my age, too.

01:39:22.000 Because you started later?

01:39:23.000 Yeah.

01:39:24.000 Yeah, because I started at 24. I used to call it my quarter life crisis thing.

01:39:29.000 The fact that I just started fighting out of nowhere.

01:39:33.000 But yeah, I've always been a little self-conscious.

01:39:36.000 Especially because a lot of times the UFC will hype up a young fighter.

01:39:41.000 Like, she's only 18!

01:39:43.000 She's the youngest fighter on the card! 1.00

01:39:45.000 And then I'll see someone like Alex Chamber fight and they go, the oldest fighter on the card!

01:39:50.000 And it's just like, why you gotta put her out there like that?

01:39:52.000 So I'm always like...

01:39:54.000 I've always been a little self-conscious, like, man, I feel like I have an expiration date.

01:39:59.000 But then the more I pay attention, the more I realize that a lot of the fighters I do look up to are my age or older.

01:40:06.000 So, yeah, I stopped looking at it that way.

01:40:09.000 I started looking at it more like my body age is still very young.

01:40:13.000 Yeah, you didn't take any abuse up until the time you were 24. You didn't do any training at all.

01:40:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:40:17.000 So I was all mushy and ready to be molded into a fighter.

01:40:22.000 Like, all my ligaments were intact and stuff.

01:40:24.000 I think it's really a matter of how much time are you doing it for.

01:40:29.000 Because I think Randy Couture didn't even have his first pro fight until I think he was 34 or 35. Oh, yeah.

01:40:36.000 Yeah.

01:40:36.000 I mean, he went, go on to win the light heavyweight title, the heavyweight title.

01:40:42.000 And all that stuff goes into his 40s.

01:40:44.000 Yeah, and then Dan Henderson is still knocking people out of UFC. What was it, 199?

01:40:50.000 You know, he's going to have a...

01:40:51.000 Check to see if this is still happening.

01:40:53.000 Dan Henderson was supposed to have a bare-knuckle boxing fight against Chuck.

01:40:56.000 Oh, no.

01:40:57.000 Against Chuck Liddell.

01:40:58.000 I'm like, exactly.

01:40:59.000 Oh, no.

01:41:00.000 Oh, no.

01:41:01.000 Oh, no.

01:41:02.000 Why?

01:41:02.000 I don't know.

01:41:03.000 I guess money.

01:41:05.000 Well, yeah.

01:41:06.000 That's the only reason why.

01:41:07.000 I mean, money, but also there is part of me that's like...

01:41:11.000 I wonder how I'd do in a bare knuckle fight.

01:41:14.000 I always wanted to do that Lethway.

01:41:17.000 Have you ever seen a Lethway kickboxing?

01:41:19.000 I always thought that would be really cool. 1.00

01:41:21.000 Because punching without gloves on, for me, I'm like, that's stupid. 0.99

01:41:25.000 I'm going to break my hand. 0.98

01:41:27.000 But kicking, oh, that's fun.

01:41:30.000 You're already fighting barefoot.

01:41:32.000 I mean, I'm already doing that.

01:41:33.000 You know, like, just kicking, being able to kick, like, through their hand into their head, like, I feel like that would be a lot of fun.

01:41:40.000 And then there's headbutts, too.

01:41:42.000 Yeah, that's why they can do everything.

01:41:44.000 Yeah, it's like, I already get headbutted when I fight.

01:41:48.000 Might as well make it legal, you know, use it.

01:41:50.000 I mean, it is an effective technique, particularly if you're in someone's guard. 0.87

01:41:54.000 If you're on top and you're holding onto their biceps, you could smash them in the face. 0.64

01:41:58.000 Oh, nice. 0.95

01:42:00.000 I mean, that's what Mark Coleman used to do in the old days.

01:42:02.000 Would he just be like, oh, I sneezed?

01:42:04.000 How do you get away with that?

01:42:06.000 No, it was legal in the day.

01:42:07.000 It was legal.

01:42:07.000 That was one of Mark Coleman's big weapons.

01:42:10.000 Mark Coleman, back in the bare knuckle days, he would take guys down, he would hold, it didn't matter if you were in the guard or not, he'd smash his fucking forehead right into your nose, and then start punching you and beat the shit out of you. 0.99

01:42:21.000 Ah, man. 0.99

01:42:22.000 And, you know, he was a great guy.

01:42:23.000 Rilla back then.

01:42:24.000 Mark Coleman, when he was the heavyweight champ, was like 265 on all the Mexican supplements.

01:42:30.000 And he was just holding people down.

01:42:33.000 The whole, like, cortical thing.

01:42:34.000 And he was an elite wrestler.

01:42:36.000 I mean, he had both things going on.

01:42:38.000 Like, serious wrestling skill, huge power, and no drug testing.

01:42:43.000 And headbutts, and bare knuckles. 0.95

01:42:46.000 Oh my god, that's everything. 1.00

01:42:47.000 Headbutt the fuck out of you. 1.00

01:42:49.000 Oh my god, I'm surprised he didn't kill anyone. 1.00

01:42:51.000 Well, it's one of the things that made Maurice Smith's victory over him even more impressive.

01:42:55.000 Because that was during the headbutt days.

01:42:57.000 And Maurice figured out...

01:42:58.000 Maurice was one of the first guys that figured out how important cardio is.

01:43:02.000 Maurice had crazy cardio.

01:43:04.000 So he would be able to survive the early onslaught.

01:43:08.000 He had good defense on the ground.

01:43:09.000 Would protect himself. 0.97

01:43:10.000 And then once the fight got into the later rounds, he started leg-kicking the fuck out of Mark Coleman. 0.78

01:43:16.000 I'll never forget that.

01:43:17.000 Because that was the early days of fighting when Everybody thought that Maurice was going to get smashed.

01:43:23.000 Everybody thought that. 0.98

01:43:24.000 Damn, I don't know Maurice Smith. 0.99

01:43:26.000 He's great. 0.99

01:43:27.000 Great guy.

01:43:28.000 He was an elite kickboxer.

01:43:30.000 The thing about Maurice, he was a world champion kickboxer.

01:43:33.000 His kickboxing was at a way higher level than anybody had ever seen.

01:43:38.000 He was the first guy to knock out Conan Silvera.

01:43:40.000 Do you remember those days?

01:43:43.000 I wasn't watching back then.

01:43:44.000 Oh, I see.

01:43:45.000 I was watching.

01:43:45.000 I didn't come in until I was about to do it.

01:43:48.000 Really?

01:43:48.000 Yeah.

01:43:49.000 Maybe after a couple Muay Thai fights, I was like, oh, let me start watching this MMA thing.

01:43:55.000 But yeah, everything that I've seen is YouTube from back in the day.

01:43:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:00.000 Well, the good news is you got a lot of fights you could watch.

01:44:03.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.97

01:44:05.000 I started going back to UFC 1, and I'd watch the full fight card, and I'm just like, holy shit, this is insane. 0.98

01:44:14.000 It is crazy. 1.00

01:44:15.000 I feel like I remember watching it with my brothers at some point, and somebody goes, man, this shit's gay. 1.00

01:44:21.000 I never sat and watched it until once I started doing martial arts. 0.99

01:44:28.000 What's crazy is how much things have changed since 1993. Yeah.

01:44:32.000 When people first saw Hoist Gracie choking people off his back, and they're like, what is happening?

01:44:37.000 No one knew anything.

01:44:39.000 Now, any little kid knows what a triangle choke is. 0.93

01:44:41.000 Yeah, yeah, it's nuts.

01:44:43.000 Kids in school, they know what arm bars are, they know what rear naked chokes are. 0.69

01:44:45.000 Everybody knows it. 1.00

01:44:46.000 They know who fucking McGregor is. 1.00

01:44:48.000 Yeah, they know who everybody is. 0.99

01:44:49.000 They know who Max Holliday is.

01:44:50.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:44:52.000 It's crazy.

01:44:52.000 It's weird.

01:44:53.000 People are famous now.

01:44:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:55.000 I remember I went on... 0.75

01:44:57.000 Did you remember there was a show called The Best Damn Sports Show, period? 0.70

01:45:00.000 It was like an old-school sports show? 0.94

01:45:02.000 Nah.

01:45:02.000 This is like 2000-something, like early 2000s.

01:45:06.000 I went on the show.

01:45:07.000 It was like Tom Arnold and...

01:45:09.000 I forget all the people that were on it.

01:45:12.000 But anyway, I was telling them, like, I go, this sport's going to be huge.

01:45:16.000 I go, it's the most exciting sport in the world, and I think it's going to be as big as any other professional sport.

01:45:21.000 They were just laughing in my face.

01:45:23.000 They were like, wah!

01:45:25.000 They're like, what are you talking about?

01:45:26.000 Cage fighting? 0.97

01:45:27.000 There's no fucking way that's ever going to be popular. 0.99

01:45:29.000 What's up, Jamie? 0.94

01:45:30.000 The account that announced this back in September, the Henderson-Liddell fight, is a parody account that people didn't catch on to.

01:45:36.000 Oh! 0.60

01:45:40.000 Meanwhile, that still could happen.

01:45:42.000 Yeah.

01:45:43.000 Don't kid yourself.

01:45:44.000 Hector Lombard fought last night.

01:45:45.000 Or Saturday night.

01:45:46.000 Yeah, that's the most recent event they had.

01:45:47.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:45:48.000 Yeah, he won.

01:45:49.000 I thought about watching that.

01:45:50.000 It was weird.

01:45:51.000 I only watched the ones that Beck's on.

01:45:53.000 Beck Rollins.

01:45:54.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:45:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:56.000 But I think...

01:45:56.000 She's a champ, right?

01:45:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:58.000 Bare-knuckle champ.

01:45:59.000 Yeah, she was killing in there. 0.99

01:46:01.000 She came to train with us again.

01:46:04.000 She... 1.00

01:46:05.000 I was one of the first people who were at Alliance, one of the first girls.

01:46:08.000 So that was one of the reasons I went out there.

01:46:12.000 How'd you wind up getting into Alliance?

01:46:13.000 Were you in New York?

01:46:14.000 I was in New York, then I was in North Carolina, and then that stopped working out.

01:46:19.000 A bunch of weird stuff happened, so I had to find a gym that was good for me, but also had girls.

01:46:27.000 The thing that I was saying about training with women, after the Tisha Torres fight, I was underestimating how strong this girl could be. 0.99

01:46:38.000 Was that the one in Mexico?

01:46:39.000 It was in Mexico City.

01:46:40.000 I was there for that fight.

01:46:42.000 I remember these girls, like, that is crazy altitude. 1.00

01:46:46.000 Yeah.

01:46:46.000 It's like 7,000 feet above sea level.

01:46:48.000 I was not prepared.

01:46:49.000 I get tired of just walking up the stairs to go take a leak. 0.98

01:46:51.000 I'm like, this is fucking high altitude. 0.85

01:46:54.000 And I did the exact opposite of what you were supposed to do. 0.96

01:46:57.000 So it's like, you either show up a month early or two days before you fight.

01:47:02.000 Right.

01:47:02.000 And I showed up 10 days before I fought.

01:47:05.000 I was like, oh, I acclimate in 10 days.

01:47:07.000 And it was like, that was like right at the peak of like, when you really start feeling that altitude sickness.

01:47:12.000 So I was messed up from the altitude.

01:47:15.000 I was sick from the, I forget what they call it, the montage.

01:47:21.000 Montezuma's Revenge.

01:47:22.000 Montezuma's Revenge.

01:47:23.000 Yeah, I was sick from that.

01:47:25.000 I was sick from the altitude.

01:47:26.000 Oh my God. 0.99

01:47:27.000 I was at weight the entire fucking 10 days. 0.99

01:47:30.000 Literally walking at 115. And you can see it in my fight pictures too. 0.98

01:47:35.000 I look sunken out like my old Muay Thai photos.

01:47:39.000 Well, you guys both were like you were stuck in the mud because the altitude was so high.

01:47:43.000 Yeah.

01:47:43.000 That's crazy to have fights up there.

01:47:45.000 I was so pissed because like right before we fought or when we weighed in and did our little face off, Tisha's like, hey, let's make some money tomorrow. 1.00

01:47:53.000 And I was like, oh yeah, all right, let's go, let's go. 0.97

01:47:56.000 I'm like, yeah, we're going to fucking stand and bang. 0.96

01:47:58.000 Everyone's going to be excited. 0.99

01:47:59.000 We're in Mexico.

01:48:00.000 They love boxing.

01:48:01.000 We're just going to hit each other. 1.00

01:48:02.000 And then she fucking takes me down. 1.00

01:48:04.000 And I'm like, fuck you! 1.00

01:48:07.000 I'm like on the ground in fucking, what do you call it, half guard. 1.00

01:48:13.000 And I'm just pissed. 0.99

01:48:14.000 I'm like, come on, man. 0.99

01:48:16.000 Just fucking do something at least, you know? 0.99

01:48:19.000 But yeah, she hustled me, man. 0.99

01:48:21.000 That's what Rumble Johnson did to Dan Hardy back when Rumble used to fight at 170. Ah!

01:48:25.000 Which is still hard to believe. 0.98

01:48:27.000 I still have no idea how the fuck he made 170. Did he only make it like once? 0.89

01:48:31.000 He made it a few times.

01:48:32.000 Oh man, that's so crazy.

01:48:33.000 He made it a few times.

01:48:34.000 I mean, he won tough at 170. Wow.

01:48:36.000 So if he can make 170, I could probably make 105. Well, he can't make it anymore.

01:48:40.000 He got big.

01:48:42.000 He's a heavyweight now.

01:48:43.000 Dude, I saw...

01:48:44.000 He's gonna come back and fight heavyweight in the UFC. I saw him once in person and his hand was about two or three of my hands taped together.

01:48:56.000 He's just huge.

01:48:58.000 He's massive.

01:48:58.000 I felt like I could crawl into it.

01:49:01.000 I forget where we were, but he was in between fights and he was 230 pounds.

01:49:07.000 And I saw him. 0.99

01:49:07.000 I go, what the fuck do you weigh? 0.99

01:49:10.000 And he started laughing. 1.00

01:49:10.000 He goes, I'm about 230. I go, no! 1.00

01:49:13.000 How are you going to make 170?

01:49:17.000 Oh, my God.

01:49:18.000 And then he had a hard time making 185. Remember, he fought Vitor at 185. And he barely made...

01:49:22.000 I don't think he made 185. Yeah, yeah.

01:49:25.000 And then the UFC cut him.

01:49:26.000 And he went to the PFL, back when it was the PFL, and he went, what was it, World Series of Fighting back then?

01:49:33.000 Oh, okay, yeah.

01:49:33.000 Yeah, it was World Series of Fighting.

01:49:35.000 And then he fought Andrzej Arlovski at heavyweight and fucked Arlovski up at heavyweight. 0.85

01:49:39.000 I was like, this is crazy. 0.64

01:49:41.000 This guy was a 170-pound tough champion.

01:49:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:44.000 That's so nuts.

01:49:45.000 And I think he's going to probably come back at heavyweight, apparently.

01:49:49.000 Is he going to come back?

01:49:50.000 He says he's coming back.

01:49:51.000 He got bored.

01:49:52.000 I know he was thinking of doing bare knuckle as well.

01:49:56.000 Well, if they offer him a lot of money. 1.00

01:49:57.000 And I was just like, fuck, I feel bad for whoever's on the other end of that fucking huge fist. 1.00

01:50:04.000 Lunchboxes. 1.00

01:50:05.000 Oh my god.

01:50:06.000 He's got some lunchbox fists.

01:50:08.000 He hits so hard.

01:50:10.000 I'm sure no one signed that contract.

01:50:12.000 That's probably the reason it never happened.

01:50:14.000 People are like, what?

01:50:15.000 Yeah.

01:50:15.000 I still remember the sound that it made when he fought Cormier.

01:50:19.000 Oh yeah.

01:50:20.000 When he head kicked him?

01:50:21.000 It was a punch.

01:50:23.000 Well, he hit him with a punch too, but he head kicked him. 0.88

01:50:24.000 Smacked him in the face with a head kick.

01:50:26.000 Oh, well, I just remember the punch. 0.85

01:50:27.000 It was like...

01:50:28.000 Oh, that's right.

01:50:29.000 The first right hand.

01:50:30.000 Yeah, and he lost the fight.

01:50:32.000 I think he smothered him.

01:50:34.000 Yeah, Cormier beat him both times.

01:50:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:36.000 But it was that first punch. 0.99

01:50:38.000 I was just like, holy shit. 0.99

01:50:39.000 And we're all amazed. 0.99

01:50:41.000 You just heard that crack. 0.99

01:50:42.000 And we're all amazed that Cormier was able to just fucking walk through it. 0.99

01:50:48.000 Shook it off. 0.98

01:50:49.000 But yeah, that... 0.99

01:50:50.000 Well, when he knocked out Glover with one punch, I was like, holy shit. 0.99

01:50:55.000 That uppercut. 0.99

01:50:56.000 He's got freak power.

01:50:57.000 Oh, the big one.

01:50:58.000 Yeah, the pitchers were crazy.

01:51:01.000 The Minotauro fight, too. 0.66

01:51:02.000 Knocked him out with one punch. 0.96

01:51:04.000 He was a freak, man. 1.00

01:51:05.000 He's a real freak.

01:51:06.000 I'm interested to see if he does do...

01:51:08.000 I mean, he was burnt out, he said.

01:51:11.000 He's like, I don't want to do this anymore.

01:51:12.000 And then he took some time off, and then he started feeling it again.

01:51:15.000 And now he's training with Henry Hooft.

01:51:18.000 He's hitting paths.

01:51:18.000 He said he's going to give himself like six months to really get in shape and really train hard and get back to it.

01:51:24.000 But he said he might fight at 205, too.

01:51:26.000 I mean, look, at 205...

01:51:28.000 There's, you know, look, there's Jon Jones, and now there's Dominic Reyes, and then, you know, Jan Blachowicz, who just knocked out Corey.

01:51:37.000 I mean, there's a lot of moving pieces.

01:51:39.000 Right, right.

01:51:40.000 And that guy fits right in there.

01:51:41.000 I mean, anybody who stands in front of him might go night-night.

01:51:44.000 Yeah.

01:51:45.000 Anybody.

01:51:45.000 Yeah.

01:51:46.000 I'd like to see that.

01:51:47.000 I like him.

01:51:47.000 I'd like to see him.

01:51:48.000 I like Anthony as a person.

01:51:49.000 Yeah.

01:51:50.000 He's just exciting as a fighter, too.

01:51:52.000 Yeah.

01:51:52.000 His style is so crazy.

01:51:54.000 Like, you know someone's going to sleep, you know?

01:51:57.000 Yeah.

01:51:57.000 But he could take it, too.

01:51:59.000 I mean, he's got a giant fucking jaw. 1.00

01:52:02.000 Everything about him is huge. 0.99

01:52:04.000 Yeah, that's the other thing. 1.00

01:52:04.000 Big ass head, yeah. 1.00

01:52:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:07.000 Yeah, physical freaks.

01:52:08.000 It's a great time in the sport, though.

01:52:10.000 There's so many exciting possible matchups.

01:52:14.000 What are you pumped for when you look at the UFC? Like the strawweights?

01:52:18.000 Everything.

01:52:19.000 Or just everyone?

01:52:20.000 Well, strawweights, you have to be paying attention to the title fight next week.

01:52:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:23.000 Next month, rather.

01:52:24.000 Yeah, no, I'm definitely paying attention to that.

01:52:27.000 Were you surprised when you watched Whaley and Jessica Andrade?

01:52:31.000 Not really.

01:52:33.000 The thing is, I was catching Andrade when she would run in.

01:52:38.000 And it wasn't until the third round that I decided to use elbows.

01:52:44.000 And I'm pretty sure I dropped her in the third round. 1.00

01:52:47.000 And she popped right back up. 0.63

01:52:49.000 But ever since then, I noticed that...

01:52:52.000 She would get hit.

01:52:53.000 She would get hit and rocked in the Torres fight.

01:52:57.000 Tisha isn't known for having knockout power or crazy hands, but she dropped her a good two or three times in the Torres fight. 1.00

01:53:06.000 So I could see that that chin was getting touched.

01:53:09.000 Well, you remember the Ioana and Jacek fight?

01:53:11.000 She ate a fuckload of shots in that fight. 1.00

01:53:15.000 But it didn't look like she was getting wobbled as much. 0.90

01:53:19.000 No.

01:53:21.000 But maybe she did because when she came back and fought Tisha, she was going wobbly-legged every now and then. 0.99

01:53:30.000 Then eventually she closed the distance and took her down. 0.90

01:53:32.000 But it's like she sacrifices her chin to get that distance.

01:53:37.000 And same thing with the Rose fight.

01:53:39.000 She was getting picked apart the entire time, sacrificing her head to get in and get the throw or whatever. 0.74

01:53:46.000 And then finally it gave out on her.

01:53:49.000 In the Wei Li fight.

01:53:51.000 So I wasn't super surprised.

01:53:53.000 I mean, everyone was surprised, so I won't say that.

01:53:57.000 But I did see that coming eventually.

01:54:01.000 I'm like, eventually someone's going to put her out.

01:54:03.000 Just because it's not just the person's power that she's fighting, but it's her pressure is so aggressive.

01:54:09.000 And she's coming in so hard. 0.75

01:54:11.000 So it's like her force versus the other person's punch.

01:54:15.000 When they connect, she's knocking herself out, essentially. 0.88

01:54:19.000 So yeah, I wasn't super surprised.

01:54:22.000 That was what I thought would happen when I fought her. 0.99

01:54:27.000 I didn't go into that fight thinking, oh man, this is going to suck.

01:54:32.000 I was like, dude, I can catch her.

01:54:34.000 She drops her hands when she comes forward.

01:54:36.000 I can strike going backwards.

01:54:39.000 I know I'm going to catch her and I can put her out because of the way she strikes. 1.00

01:54:43.000 So I've always seen that her hands were a bit sloppy even though she's super aggressive and Right, right. 1.00

01:55:09.000 You know, I hadn't really seen that much of Wei Li Zhang, so I was surprised that she was able to get the title that fast.

01:55:18.000 Have you ever seen her strength and conditioning routine that she does? 0.78

01:55:21.000 No, I haven't. 0.99

01:55:22.000 Fucking ferocious. 0.99

01:55:23.000 That lady goes hard. 1.00

01:55:25.000 Yeah, she goes hard. 1.00

01:55:26.000 It's pretty wild.

01:55:26.000 It's pretty wild to watch.

01:55:27.000 It's very inspiring.

01:55:29.000 How do you feel if she matches up with Ioana?

01:55:31.000 Because that fight is real soon.

01:55:34.000 I think it's going to be an even match.

01:55:38.000 I think she has a lot of output.

01:55:41.000 I think she isn't afraid to go to the ground.

01:55:44.000 I saw that when she fought Tisha. 0.88

01:55:47.000 They had a lot of crazy scrambles.

01:55:49.000 She had good reverses for Tisha's takedown attempts and stuff. 1.00

01:55:53.000 And yeah, I just think it's going to be...

01:55:57.000 She's going to force Joanna to move and to react more than most people, I think.

01:56:05.000 I haven't really paid attention to how much head movement she has, but I do know that she just throws a lot of volume, and wherever the fight goes, she seems comfortable. 1.00

01:56:17.000 I've never seen her in a spot where she looks like, oh, what do I do here?

01:56:22.000 You see people freaking out against the cage or freaking out when they get taken down.

01:56:26.000 She has that athletic flow through everything.

01:56:30.000 That's the one thing I think she has going for.

01:56:33.000 But I do think Joanna's reach is what's made her so dominant.

01:56:38.000 She's a big old girl. 0.99

01:56:40.000 Watching her fight Andrade, there was a moment where she's pushing Andrade up against the cage, and she looks like a big old praying mantis, just biting someone's head off.

01:56:53.000 Andrade looks like this little thing.

01:56:55.000 So she's a big girl with a really long reach, really long...

01:57:00.000 I'm kind of surprised to see her back at 115 because she really struggled.

01:57:04.000 Dude, I was too.

01:57:05.000 Well, I was going to try to fill in that last minute.

01:57:08.000 I don't know if you heard, but it kind of upped my props or whatever.

01:57:16.000 When she was about to fight Michelle, there were rumors that she wasn't going to make weight. 1.00

01:57:22.000 And so people were scrambling and then my manager...

01:57:28.000 Yeah, I think I can talk about that.

01:57:29.000 My manager, hopefully, fingers crossed, my manager got the call like, hey, man, I'm just worried about this Ioana fight.

01:57:38.000 And my manager was like, whoa, I bet Angela would take it if you guys wanted her to fight. 1.00

01:57:44.000 And he's like, seriously? 0.98

01:57:46.000 And he's like, yeah, she's crazy.

01:57:47.000 And I was there cornering my teammate Lauren Mueller at the time.

01:57:53.000 So I was there chilling, where were we, Atlanta, I think?

01:57:58.000 Maybe.

01:57:59.000 I forget where it was.

01:58:00.000 It might have been Atlanta.

01:58:01.000 But I was there chilling, cornering my friend, and then my manager calls, and he's like, hey.

01:58:08.000 And it was like that time of the night that you know it's a fight offer.

01:58:11.000 So he was like, hey.

01:58:13.000 What time is that?

01:58:14.000 It was like maybe 11-ish or something.

01:58:17.000 Oh, so something weird's going on.

01:58:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:58:18.000 It was like 11 p.m.

01:58:20.000 And I was like, who?

01:58:21.000 And he's like, would you fight Ilana at 125? 0.99

01:58:25.000 And I was like, fuck yeah. 0.95

01:58:29.000 And I was like, I was probably walking about 125 at the moment. 0.98

01:58:33.000 Like, and if they, I think we were talking back or he was talking back and forth and he was like, well, what about Michelle at 115?

01:58:41.000 He just wanted to know just so he can relate a message.

01:58:44.000 I was like, yeah, just let me know so I can like cut weight or not cut weight.

01:58:48.000 You know, so I was sitting waiting for the call and then the rumors got like blasted and then people knew my name was in it for some reason.

01:58:57.000 I was just like, who is talking, you know?

01:59:00.000 But like it went viral and I just leaned into it.

01:59:03.000 I was like, hey, anytime, anyplace, let's go.

01:59:05.000 And I waited, waited, and then, yeah, nothing happened.

01:59:08.000 Yana made wait. 0.99

01:59:09.000 I was like, damn. 0.99

01:59:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:59:10.000 I heard that she wasn't making weight either. 0.99

01:59:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:12.000 Everyone was talking about it.

01:59:14.000 And then somehow somebody knew that my name was in the mix.

01:59:17.000 Like, Angela Hill might fill in for Michelle instead of fill in for Ioana. 1.00

01:59:24.000 Because she was, like, the name that they were promoting for the fight.

01:59:29.000 So they wanted the former champ to get her fight. 1.00

01:59:33.000 So they were like, alright, if it comes down to it, Angela will fight her at 125. 125, yeah.

01:59:39.000 So I was pretty stoked.

01:59:40.000 I mean, I feel like Ioana does a lot of things.

01:59:44.000 And it's similar with my matchup that I have now, only she's a lot bigger.

01:59:48.000 Ioana does a lot of things that I've seen a lot of, you know, in training, just like in my first years of Muay Thai.

01:59:55.000 Like, she has a very conventional style when it comes to Muay Thai.

02:00:01.000 She's just very good at it. 0.99

02:00:02.000 So a fight with Ioana is always something that I've wanted to have.

02:00:07.000 Just because I felt like it would be something that I've seen before.

02:00:11.000 I'm not going to be afraid of the clinch, which she's really good at.

02:00:19.000 I'm not going to be afraid of the clinch.

02:00:20.000 I'm not going to be afraid of when an elbow is going to come.

02:00:23.000 Because an elbow sparred my entire fight career.

02:00:26.000 So it's like things that I see with her are less scary than a fight with someone that she's beat before.

02:00:33.000 Like Andrade or Gedalia or someone like that.

02:00:37.000 We're going to learn about her a lot this coming fight, like what she's got left.

02:00:41.000 Because the transition to 25 didn't really work out.

02:00:45.000 Shevchenko was just a little too much for her.

02:00:47.000 Shevchenko had already beat her outside the UFC and then beat her again. 0.98

02:00:51.000 And then it just didn't look like she had the firepower to keep her off her at 125. And then so she goes down to 15 again, but we know how hard it was for her to make 15. And that's one of the things that they had said, her camp had said about her chin when she fought Rose.

02:01:07.000 Like, she just couldn't take a shot.

02:01:09.000 It was because she was so depleted. 0.99

02:01:11.000 So we'll find out because Wei Li hits fucking hard. 0.98

02:01:14.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

02:01:15.000 And she's like, I don't know.

02:01:17.000 Ioana's so determined.

02:01:19.000 I feel like she'd kill herself to make weight. 0.99

02:01:21.000 She just has a long career, though.

02:01:24.000 Long combat sports career.

02:01:27.000 And at a certain point in time...

02:01:29.000 You gotta wonder, like, when that catches up to you.

02:01:32.000 Or, you know, one of the things that she was saying, that she was in a real bad relationship, and there was a giant distraction, and now she's done with that, and that was a contributing factor to a lot of her losses.

02:01:40.000 So we're gonna find out, because, you know, when you go back to, like, when she fought Jessica Panay, she was the scariest woman alive. 0.96

02:01:47.000 Like, she was fucking ferocious. 0.98

02:01:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:01:49.000 When she was the champ and she was lighting everybody on fire, she was terrifying. 0.87

02:01:53.000 She was so aggressive and so technical. 0.96

02:01:56.000 She got that long jab. 0.99

02:01:58.000 She also had a lot of fighters who weren't that technically sound and striking, or at least not confident with their striking.

02:02:06.000 Yeah.

02:02:06.000 You know, so when she did fight someone who was good, who was actually a better striker than her and Rose, like the fact that just the fact that Rose could move laterally, you know, like Joanna was always like a back and forth fighter because that's like her style of very Muay Thai.

02:02:24.000 And Rose just moving to the side every now and then or having head movement.

02:02:28.000 I think that really fucked her up. 0.84

02:02:30.000 And it's hard when you fight someone like that for the first time or even spar someone like that for the first time. 0.90

02:02:35.000 You can't find them.

02:02:37.000 All your punches miss.

02:02:38.000 You gas out.

02:02:39.000 You're freaking out because you're missing your punches.

02:02:41.000 Then you're getting countered.

02:02:42.000 And it's a lot to deal with for a straightforward Muay Thai fighter.

02:02:47.000 Yeah.

02:02:48.000 That is a weird thing about Muay Thai, right?

02:02:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:50.000 How few of them move their head.

02:02:51.000 Because we don't have footwork.

02:02:53.000 We just stand and bang. 1.00

02:02:54.000 Only a bitch would run away from a fight. 1.00

02:02:57.000 But some people do have footwork, like Sanchai. 1.00

02:03:00.000 Sanchai's got crazy footwork.

02:03:02.000 Sanchai's like the only one. 1.00

02:03:04.000 He can do fucking cartwheel kicks and shit. 1.00

02:03:09.000 Sanchai can do everything. 1.00

02:03:10.000 But he's so good, you would think that someone else would mimic that style.

02:03:14.000 It's one of those styles that are just so hard to mimic.

02:03:20.000 And the sport, traditionally, is not his style.

02:03:24.000 He's very unorthodox.

02:03:26.000 So look at any unorthodox fighter.

02:03:28.000 You're not going to see a million Dominic Cruz copycats coming out.

02:03:32.000 You can see one or two.

02:03:33.000 They try. 0.98

02:03:34.000 Yeah, they try, but they're never going to be dumb.

02:03:37.000 So yeah, Senchai is that kind of fighter, whereas he was brought in doing this very...

02:03:44.000 Kind of, I wouldn't say stale, but just very predictable style.

02:03:49.000 And he just made it weird and made it his own.

02:03:51.000 That's why he's so cool.

02:03:52.000 He's always on his toes.

02:03:53.000 Always.

02:03:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:54.000 Just boing, boing, boing.

02:03:55.000 Does the alley shuffle.

02:03:56.000 He's never flat-footed.

02:03:57.000 Nah, nah.

02:03:59.000 He always knows how to pull.

02:04:03.000 He can pull the counters out.

02:04:07.000 He knows exactly how to twitch in order to make you go, oh, and then boom.

02:04:13.000 It could be a foot.

02:04:14.000 It could be a hand.

02:04:17.000 It could be anything because he just comes from all angles.

02:04:20.000 He'll throw a head kick when he's two inches away from you. 1.00

02:04:23.000 He'll do wild shit. 1.00

02:04:25.000 He basically throws a head kick straight up in the air. 1.00

02:04:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:28.000 He does a lot of wild stuff.

02:04:30.000 He's nuts seeing you do the weird karate, like, pop, pop, pop, you know?

02:04:35.000 When they just jump back and forth, and then he'll fake one, and then he'll do the cartwheel kick.

02:04:41.000 And he's close to 40 now.

02:04:43.000 Yeah, yeah, that's the crazy thing.

02:04:45.000 Which is amazing for a lighter weight Muay Thai fighter.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, for a Thai fighter, yeah.

02:04:49.000 You start at like six out there, you know?

02:04:53.000 Well, I think that style has preserved him in a lot of ways.

02:04:56.000 That footwork and movement style.

02:04:58.000 Because he's not just catching and returning and standing in front like a lot of those guys do.

02:05:03.000 Right.

02:05:03.000 He's always very elusive.

02:05:05.000 Right.

02:05:05.000 There's not a lot of those.

02:05:06.000 Lerd Zill is pretty elusive.

02:05:08.000 But there's not a lot of really elusive guys in Muay Thai.

02:05:10.000 No.

02:05:11.000 Even Bull Call is just kind of a march him down and hit him type of fighter. 1.00

02:05:15.000 Just left kick the fuck out of you. 1.00

02:05:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:05:18.000 But yeah, I think that's one thing I really credit going to Alliance with is just my movement has gotten way more fluid.

02:05:26.000 Well, Eric Del Fiero is one of the most unheralded guys.

02:05:30.000 Yeah.

02:05:31.000 People don't sing his praises, but he's excellent.

02:05:34.000 It's kind of like the theme of the gym.

02:05:36.000 Everyone who comes out of there, no one gives Jeremy the credit that he deserves.

02:05:42.000 No one gives Dom the credit they deserve.

02:05:44.000 I mean, I guess I'm a little more sensitive because I know them now and I'm like, man, those guys are great.

02:05:50.000 Yeah.

02:05:50.000 But yeah, Eric definitely, like, no one ever talks about him, but he's so good at what he does.

02:05:56.000 His corner work is so excellent, too.

02:05:59.000 Like, he gives you, like, real technical information in the corner, and he knows how to break it down quickly.

02:06:05.000 Like, this is what you're doing wrong, this is what you have to do right, this is what you're doing great, keep doing more of this, look out for that, when you do this, do that.

02:06:11.000 And he gives you all that show, and you see people go, okay, okay, okay.

02:06:14.000 Some people are like, you need to take him out, you need to take him out.

02:06:16.000 I go, oh.

02:06:17.000 Never saw that. 1.00

02:06:18.000 It's kind of like, you know, Eric's kind of a psychopath with that shit. 1.00

02:06:22.000 Really? 1.00

02:06:22.000 Like, he's like, no emotion. 1.00

02:06:24.000 You know, it really takes a lot to draw emotion out of him.

02:06:29.000 And then you feel proud of yourself.

02:06:30.000 You're like, oh, I got on your skin, you little softy. 1.00

02:06:35.000 But yeah, he's very stoic when it comes to that stuff, which makes the instruction more clear.

02:06:44.000 There's no anxiety in his voice.

02:06:47.000 There's no freaking out.

02:06:48.000 He's just like, do this, do this, do this.

02:06:50.000 That was a good round.

02:06:51.000 You might have lost that round.

02:06:53.000 He'll just give it to you straight up and say it quickly enough so that you can be like, okay, what next?

02:06:58.000 And yeah, it's always been like...

02:07:01.000 Really chill when he's cornering me.

02:07:04.000 It's interesting because he doesn't try to get any attention.

02:07:07.000 No, he hates it.

02:07:08.000 He runs from the camera.

02:07:10.000 He's so weird.

02:07:11.000 Good for him.

02:07:13.000 It's pretty cool though.

02:07:15.000 That's what attracted me to the gym because...

02:07:35.000 Yeah.

02:07:36.000 Yeah.

02:07:37.000 Yeah.

02:07:38.000 So when I came to Alliance, I was like, yeah, would it be okay if I train here?

02:07:43.000 Because there were already, like, a few strawweights there, and I didn't want to, like, you know, come stomping in on territory and be like, I train here now.

02:07:50.000 And he's like, yeah, you know, if you want to train here, train here.

02:07:54.000 10%.

02:07:54.000 After your fight, you know, no contracts or anything.

02:07:58.000 Just, like, if you end up not liking it here, you know, you can go somewhere else.

02:08:04.000 Like, there's no obligations.

02:08:06.000 And I was just like, oh.

02:08:08.000 That's cool.

02:08:08.000 Because I had just like come from a place where I had to sign a contract saying I trained there for this many years or however many fights I have.

02:08:17.000 I hate those.

02:08:18.000 It's just such a strange thing to do.

02:08:20.000 It is strange because if it goes sideways and then you're locked up in a contract and it's hard to get out of it and they want money if you even have another trainer.

02:08:28.000 Or they think they can like...

02:08:33.000 Yeah.

02:08:45.000 Yeah.

02:08:57.000 So luckily, it was chill, but I've heard horror stories.

02:09:01.000 I've heard horror stories, too.

02:09:03.000 I've heard a lot of horror stories.

02:09:04.000 So when he said that, I was immediately like, ah, that's cool.

02:09:09.000 And that's how my first coach in New York was, too.

02:09:13.000 He's like, hey, if you need to go somewhere to learn how to do MMA, that's cool.

02:09:19.000 I'm not...

02:09:20.000 No hard feelings.

02:09:21.000 Is Brandon Vera still at Alliance?

02:09:23.000 Yeah.

02:09:23.000 He is not training there, but he's still part owner.

02:09:27.000 He still comes through when he is in San Diego.

02:09:30.000 Where's he training now?

02:09:31.000 He's in the Philippines now.

02:09:33.000 Oh, so he trains in the Philippines, too.

02:09:34.000 He lives there and trains there.

02:09:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:09:36.000 Wow.

02:09:37.000 Yeah, what a crazy career shift he's had, huh?

02:09:40.000 I know.

02:09:40.000 I'm saying he's one heavyweight champion.

02:09:42.000 I know.

02:09:43.000 He's out there doing it. 0.99

02:09:45.000 One is nuts. 0.98

02:09:46.000 He's out there doing it. 0.99

02:09:47.000 I'm like, damn, can I say I'm like Blesian or something? 0.98

02:09:50.000 Can y'all get me in there? 0.97

02:09:52.000 It's interesting, right?

02:09:53.000 If you're a Filipino and you fight for one, like, woo! 1.00

02:09:56.000 Yeah, they love you.

02:09:57.000 Especially as a heavyweight.

02:09:58.000 A big giant Filipino. 1.00

02:10:00.000 Dude, he's making it.

02:10:01.000 He's doing it.

02:10:02.000 He's in movies out there and stuff.

02:10:04.000 Really?

02:10:04.000 I don't know which ones.

02:10:06.000 I think I watched part of it.

02:10:08.000 Wow.

02:10:09.000 But yeah, he's living it up. 0.98

02:10:11.000 Well, he's so fucking big, too. 0.97

02:10:13.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:10:13.000 He's like 240-something now. 0.98

02:10:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:10:15.000 He's huge.

02:10:16.000 It's nuts to see him.

02:10:17.000 He's huge.

02:10:18.000 I like watching him do pads.

02:10:21.000 They have to bring out the big pad holder or whatever.

02:10:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:24.000 For sure.

02:10:24.000 Kick a bag and he kicks the bag down.

02:10:26.000 It's like a big-ass heavy bag, but it still folds in half when he kicks it. 0.99

02:10:30.000 Yeah, he's sick.

02:10:32.000 But yeah, he showed us some cool clench stuff and cool techniques when he comes through.

02:10:40.000 And he likes to motivate the up-and-comers when he comes through, too.

02:10:46.000 So it's always nice to see him.

02:10:47.000 Well, he was a small, light heavyweight earlier in the day.

02:10:50.000 Well, actually, he was a small heavyweight.

02:10:52.000 Remember when he knocked out Frank Mir?

02:10:54.000 That was back when he was training with Rob Kamen.

02:10:56.000 Oh, okay.

02:10:56.000 Yeah, I mean, he was fucking people up at heavyweight, and he was like 210, 215. Yeah, he was just really fucking tall.

02:11:05.000 Yeah, he wasn't like, well, you'd look at him, he didn't look like a heavyweight. 0.84

02:11:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:11:11.000 It's interesting to see a company like One explode and get bigger, and then see guys like Mighty Mouse and Eddie Alvarez, and see world-class fighters go over there.

02:11:22.000 Yeah, I was sad to see Mighty Mouse go, though.

02:11:24.000 He was another one of my motivators.

02:11:27.000 Like, man, I want to be like that guy, you know?

02:11:29.000 I was sad to see him go in a way, but happy because I knew he was getting paid.

02:11:33.000 Yeah.

02:11:34.000 Like, they wanted him over there, and it was a big get because, look, for my money, he's still the best example of a mixed martial arts fighter I've ever seen.

02:11:44.000 The full package.

02:11:45.000 Yeah, you could say John eclipsed him as the GOAT, and I think he did.

02:11:49.000 Because John has beaten...

02:11:51.000 I think?

02:12:23.000 Right, right.

02:12:33.000 What he's able to do to Wilson Hayes, what he's able to do to a lot of guys who are good fighters, he makes them look like you have no business being in there with him.

02:12:40.000 He's doing a whole different thing than you're doing.

02:12:42.000 You think he's there, and he's here, and you think he's here, and he's there, and then you're getting hit, and you're getting punched, and you're getting taken down, and you think you're going to get hit.

02:12:51.000 He just could do everything.

02:12:53.000 Yeah, that's the thing that makes him so crazy is that he can do everything in the book.

02:12:58.000 Yeah, he's not a striker.

02:12:59.000 You don't have to just worry about one thing.

02:13:02.000 How about Ray Borg?

02:13:03.000 How about when he suplexes him and then catches him with an armbar on the way down?

02:13:06.000 Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. 0.83

02:13:08.000 Crazy! 1.00

02:13:08.000 I wasn't sure who it was, but it was like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:13:11.000 Catches him on the way down. 1.00

02:13:13.000 Like a fucking movie. 1.00

02:13:15.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:13:16.000 In a world title fight, defending his title.

02:13:19.000 No, that was nuts.

02:13:20.000 Mighty Mouse was something real special.

02:13:22.000 And I felt like that put him on such a crazy level of expertise when he did that one.

02:13:30.000 Wasn't that the one before he got released?

02:13:35.000 I feel like that was his last fight.

02:13:36.000 The Cejudo fight was the last fight.

02:13:38.000 Well, no, I mean the one before he lost.

02:13:40.000 That was the one before he lost against Cejudo.

02:13:43.000 I think you're right.

02:13:44.000 I think you're right.

02:13:44.000 So it's almost like they were like, well, there's nothing else we can do with you.

02:13:49.000 Obviously, you're going to do that to everyone else.

02:13:51.000 The future of that division was uncertain.

02:13:53.000 They weren't even sure what they were going to do with the division once Cejudo won.

02:13:57.000 And then now that Cejudo went up and he beat Marlon Marais for the Bantamweight title, and then they have this situation where they're going to have...

02:14:09.000 Figueredo and Benavidez fight for the flyweight title, so Cejudo abandons that title.

02:14:15.000 Mighty Mouse did the right thing.

02:14:16.000 He got big money over there.

02:14:19.000 They paid him a lot of money to fight in one of us, and they give him hard fights too, because they don't have hydration over there either, or dehydration.

02:14:26.000 So you fight at what you weigh, which I think really is what we should be doing.

02:14:30.000 Yeah, and I don't think Mighty Mouse was ever cutting weight.

02:14:33.000 Not much.

02:14:33.000 He was always just walking around that way, yeah.

02:14:36.000 Yeah, I mean, he may be like 135, but he's not cutting anything substantial.

02:14:42.000 And when he was fighting at 35, when there was no 125, everybody was just so much bigger than him.

02:14:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:14:48.000 We still have that picture in the gym of Dom Suplex in him.

02:14:52.000 He was so much smaller than Dom.

02:14:56.000 I'm glad you went to the flyweight.

02:14:59.000 Well, I mean, he's spectacular over there.

02:15:01.000 He's doing really well. 1.00

02:15:02.000 And they've got fucking killers over there, too. 0.99

02:15:06.000 Like that guy that knocked out Eddie Alvarez, Timothy Natsukin. 1.00

02:15:10.000 That guy's a fucking savage. 1.00

02:15:12.000 He's scary. 1.00

02:15:13.000 Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they haven't been training for 10, 15 years and have all these fights over there.

02:15:19.000 Waiting for this opportunity.

02:15:21.000 Yeah.

02:15:21.000 I feel like there's going to come a point in time where there's going to have to be some sort of a unification fight.

02:15:26.000 Whether it's a Bellator unification fight, because I still think that Diego Lima, he's the one that I look at, and I go, that guy, I think, he's elite at 170. He might be as good as anybody alive at 170. I'd like to see him.

02:15:38.000 And there was a funny face-off with him and Kamaru Usman.

02:15:41.000 Oh, yeah, I saw that.

02:15:42.000 Yeah.

02:15:43.000 Houston, yeah. 0.96

02:15:44.000 I mean, I don't know if that's something the UFC would ever do, but fuck, if I ran the UFC, that would be what I'd want to do. 0.97

02:15:50.000 It really should happen. 0.96

02:15:51.000 Yeah, it really should happen.

02:15:52.000 I mean, they have, like, female flyweights, too. 1.00

02:15:55.000 Yes, yes.

02:15:55.000 Like, that could be a thing, you know?

02:15:58.000 Like, put in two title fights there, and there you go.

02:16:01.000 That would be fun.

02:16:02.000 Do it in Hawaii.

02:16:03.000 It would have to be a...

02:16:04.000 Why, you want a vacation?

02:16:06.000 Yeah, no, I think...

02:16:07.000 You know how Max has been campaigning, Max.

02:16:10.000 I like campaigning like UFC Hawaii and then Bellator did it.

02:16:13.000 I know. 1.00

02:16:13.000 Just like as a fuck you. 1.00

02:16:15.000 I know. 1.00

02:16:15.000 Well, if Max has a rematch against Alexander Volkanovski, that would be a good place to do it. 1.00

02:16:24.000 Hell yeah.

02:16:24.000 I think in Hawaii, the big place is outdoor, and you never know in Hawaii if it's going to rain.

02:16:28.000 Yeah, especially like a destination like that.

02:16:31.000 It's probably going to rain for like 20 minutes, like right before you start the tidal fight, and then stop raining.

02:16:36.000 Well, if they could just put some kind of a cover over just the octagon, maybe they could actually do it.

02:16:42.000 I don't know.

02:16:44.000 I just feel like these other organizations, whether it's One or Bellator, they're getting to this point where you might see it.

02:16:51.000 And then Rory McDonald just went to the PFL. Oh.

02:16:55.000 He went, yeah.

02:16:56.000 That is what they're calling it, right?

02:16:58.000 It used to be the World Series of Fighting, then it's the PFL, right?

02:17:01.000 Yeah, the million dollar tournament?

02:17:03.000 Yeah, that thing.

02:17:04.000 Yeah, Rory just went over to that. 1.00

02:17:06.000 Cool.

02:17:06.000 Which I was pretty shocked, because he went to Bellator, I was shocked at that, and then he won the title at Bellator, and then he went over to the PFL. I wonder why he did that.

02:17:16.000 Huh.

02:17:16.000 I'm sure they just offered him a big check.

02:17:18.000 Yeah.

02:17:18.000 We had a guy win the million dollar tournament this year.

02:17:22.000 Oh, really?

02:17:22.000 Yeah.

02:17:23.000 Emiliano Sorted.

02:17:24.000 Oh, okay.

02:17:25.000 Right, right.

02:17:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:17:26.000 He won.

02:17:26.000 They gave away like six different million dollar tournaments, right?

02:17:30.000 Yeah.

02:17:30.000 That's crazy.

02:17:31.000 I'm like, where is this money coming from?

02:17:33.000 I know.

02:17:33.000 How are they going to do that?

02:17:34.000 Like, you cashed them checks.

02:17:35.000 Yeah, but that's the thing that something like 1FC or PFL, they kind of have to do that.

02:17:40.000 If they want to bring over a guy like Eddie Alvarez or Mighty Mouse, you've got to come with the big money.

02:17:46.000 And they have it.

02:17:48.000 They sell out giant places over there.

02:17:51.000 Yeah.

02:17:51.000 Are they doing that...

02:17:52.000 What is the name of the big one in Japan?

02:17:58.000 Saitama Arena?

02:17:58.000 Oh, Saitama Super Arena?

02:18:00.000 Are they doing that?

02:18:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:18:01.000 Are they doing it in places like that?

02:18:03.000 I don't know.

02:18:04.000 They do it in Singapore.

02:18:06.000 I know they're doing this in pretty big places.

02:18:07.000 Oh, they haven't been to Japan yet, have they?

02:18:08.000 Have they?

02:18:09.000 I don't think so.

02:18:09.000 I don't know.

02:18:10.000 I don't think so, yeah.

02:18:11.000 I don't know.

02:18:12.000 I'm fascinated though.

02:18:13.000 I really like when there's competition.

02:18:15.000 I like when something rises.

02:18:18.000 One of my saddest moments in MMA is that Fedor in his prime never fought in the UFC. When Kane was in his prime and Fedor was in his prime.

02:18:26.000 God damn, that would have been glorious. 0.98

02:18:28.000 To see those two go at it, that would have been amazing. 0.99

02:18:33.000 That's the thing about MMA is that these organizations are, you know, it's the UFC really and then there's everybody else.

02:18:41.000 The UFC is the top of the food chain and everybody else is trying real hard and every now and then someone will, like a Douglas Lima or a Fedor, they'll get to a point where you're like, huh, I want to see that guy fight against the best in the UFC. I want to see what's up.

02:18:55.000 Well, they kind of do it with Bellator and Ryzen.

02:18:58.000 Like, they've started mixing.

02:19:00.000 Like, they had Darian Caldwell fight Horiguchi.

02:19:03.000 Right.

02:19:04.000 And that was, like, I don't know.

02:19:06.000 That was just, like, a really big deal.

02:19:08.000 I feel like any time, like, you have the two...

02:19:11.000 It's kind of like team fights, you know?

02:19:13.000 Any time you have that happening, it's just...

02:19:16.000 I don't know.

02:19:17.000 It just makes things more interesting.

02:19:18.000 I think so.

02:19:19.000 I totally agree.

02:19:20.000 I'd be down for that.

02:19:21.000 It's just someone has to rise.

02:19:23.000 Someone has to become this undeniable force where everybody's clamoring for the fight.

02:19:28.000 And then the UFC will go, listen, there's a lot of money in this.

02:19:31.000 Let's do it.

02:19:31.000 But right now, that hasn't happened.

02:19:33.000 Bellator has never really gained the sort of notoriety that the UFC has.

02:19:36.000 If you were fighting in Bellator, some people would know who you are, but it'd probably be less than half the people.

02:19:45.000 It's just a...

02:19:46.000 It's like the NFL or Q-Tips versus cotton swabs. 0.99

02:19:51.000 Everybody wants Q-Tips.

02:19:53.000 It's the brand name.

02:19:54.000 If you look at the sheer number of fighters that are elite in the UFC, it's undoubtedly the best fighters in the world.

02:20:00.000 But then there's a few. 0.68

02:20:01.000 There's a few of those Bellator fighters that really fucking stand out. 0.72

02:20:04.000 There's a few of those one fighters that really stand out. 0.95

02:20:06.000 And you go, hmm, I don't know.

02:20:08.000 They might be able to hang with anybody in the world.

02:20:11.000 Yeah, it's just going to take time.

02:20:13.000 The more they pay people, the more they start paying out as well as the UFC, the more you're going to get those talented people to go there instead of holding out for a spot in the Contender Series.

02:20:25.000 And then once that changing of the guard happens a couple times, then you'll definitely see it.

02:20:31.000 And then it'll probably be undeniable at that point.

02:20:34.000 But I don't know.

02:20:35.000 I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon.

02:20:39.000 Well, listen, Angela, I'm happy we got you in here.

02:20:42.000 I'm very excited for your fight this weekend.

02:20:44.000 Tell me your opponent's name again.

02:20:47.000 Do you not remember a name?

02:20:50.000 I'm like that Thai girl.

02:20:52.000 Loma Lukbunmi.

02:20:54.000 Whoa.

02:20:55.000 Yeah.

02:20:55.000 That's a beautiful name.

02:20:56.000 Very Thai.

02:20:57.000 So I'm excited for your fight.

02:20:58.000 Thank you.

02:20:58.000 And I'm just happy to have you in here.

02:21:00.000 Yeah, thanks man.

02:21:01.000 I'm a fan.

02:21:01.000 And so just good luck this weekend and let's make it happen.

02:21:07.000 Cool.

02:21:07.000 I love it.

02:21:08.000 Thank you very much.

02:21:08.000 Thanks for being here.

02:21:09.000 Thank you.

02:21:09.000 And good luck on your flight too.

02:21:11.000 Thanks a lot.

02:21:11.000 Bye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 18, 2020

JRE MMA Show #92 with Angela Hill

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