The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #93 with Alexander Volkanovski

00:00:00.000 No, here we go.

00:00:01.000 Three, two, one.

00:00:04.000 The champ is here!

00:00:05.000 How are you, sir?

00:00:06.000 I'm good, I'm good, how are you? 1.00

00:00:07.000 Pull this sucker up about like a fist from your face. 0.99

00:00:10.000 Alright, is that good? 0.99

00:00:11.000 Good to see you, brother.

00:00:12.000 What's happening?

00:00:12.000 Oh, not for much, mate, not for much.

00:00:14.000 Has it settled in that you're the champ?

00:00:16.000 Uh, yeah.

00:00:17.000 Does it still feel real?

00:00:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:19.000 It's settled in.

00:00:21.000 It's weird.

00:00:22.000 It's hard to explain.

00:00:23.000 I'm the type of person that, as soon as I'm home, I'm daddy.

00:00:26.000 I'm the regular bloke that everyone knew me 10 years ago.

00:00:28.000 But at the same time, obviously, you've got the media obligations and everything that needs to be done.

00:00:33.000 So it is different.

00:00:35.000 You're going to get recognized a little bit more on the street.

00:00:37.000 What is it like in Australia now?

00:00:39.000 Do people get excited to see you now?

00:00:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:41.000 Australia, you know, obviously, that's where I'm from.

00:00:43.000 So that's, you know, the sports are big, especially where I'm locally.

00:00:47.000 Like, you know, every time I fight, literally, you know, our city stops, you know, just to watch the fight.

00:00:52.000 What's the city?

00:00:53.000 Wollongong.

00:00:54.000 The Gong.

00:00:54.000 Say it again?

00:00:55.000 Wollongong.

00:00:56.000 Wollongong?

00:00:57.000 The Gong.

00:00:58.000 The Gong.

00:00:58.000 Where's the Gong?

00:00:58.000 Yeah, we call it the Gong.

00:00:59.000 Just south of Sydney.

00:01:00.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:01.000 So you're close?

00:01:02.000 So you go to Sydney when you want to get crazy?

00:01:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:07.000 Not really.

00:01:08.000 I don't do too much partying and that, except for a couple of days ago when we were in Vegas.

00:01:13.000 So Vegas got me.

00:01:14.000 Got me good.

00:01:15.000 Did it get you after Izzy won?

00:01:17.000 Got me before and after.

00:01:19.000 So, yeah, I mean, I'm on real struggle street, but we're good.

00:01:22.000 Well, we'll get you some water.

00:01:23.000 We got water here.

00:01:24.000 Oh, you're beautiful.

00:01:24.000 Do you need electrolytes?

00:01:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:26.000 We got some, bring in some of those liquid IVs.

00:01:30.000 Just bring the whole box of it in there.

00:01:31.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:32.000 Yeah, liquid IVs, great. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Have you ever tried that shit? 1.00

00:01:35.000 Mm-mm. 1.00

00:01:35.000 It's good. 1.00

00:01:35.000 It's real good. 1.00

00:01:36.000 All right.

00:01:38.000 It hydrates you twice as fast as regular water alone.

00:01:41.000 Oh, sweet.

00:01:41.000 It actually tastes good.

00:01:42.000 Salt, electrolytes, all kinds of shit in it. 0.99

00:01:44.000 Alright, and we got this coffee? 0.99

00:01:45.000 Turmeric coffee?

00:01:46.000 Yeah, the Laird Hamilton superfood coffee.

00:01:49.000 Yeah, I'm addicted to these little... 1.00

00:01:51.000 I'm addicted to the coffee, but I'm addicted to these fucking... 1.00

00:01:53.000 Alright, there we go. 1.00

00:01:54.000 Look at that.

00:01:55.000 Rip one of them bad boys.

00:01:56.000 Okay.

00:01:56.000 Chuck it in your water.

00:01:57.000 Well, yeah, we're now...

00:01:59.000 Got to do that, I guess.

00:02:01.000 So, you know, I mean, there's becoming the champ, and then there's becoming the champ the way you did.

00:02:05.000 Because you beat the consensus greatest featherweight of all time in his prime, you know?

00:02:10.000 Yeah.

00:02:11.000 That's a big deal, my friend.

00:02:13.000 Yeah, exactly right.

00:02:14.000 You know, it was huge.

00:02:15.000 You know, huge for me.

00:02:16.000 Obviously, I love being the underdog as well.

00:02:18.000 You know, I have been in my last three fights, and You know, I love sort of proving that the doubt is wrong, you know what I mean?

00:02:24.000 And then, obviously, again, to beat him like I did as well, to, you know, outfight him, you know, outstrike him and stuff like that.

00:02:30.000 Again, he's a great champion, nothing but respect to him.

00:02:32.000 But for me to go out there and do it like that, you know, that's something I'm very proud of.

00:02:37.000 Oh, you should be.

00:02:37.000 You should be proud of your whole run, man.

00:02:39.000 I mean, you haven't been in the UFC that long.

00:02:41.000 Yeah.

00:02:41.000 It was, you know, I mean, how many years have you been in there now?

00:02:44.000 Less than two.

00:02:45.000 I think it's two and a bit or close to three.

00:02:48.000 Oh, is it?

00:02:49.000 Okay, yeah, yeah, close to three, yeah.

00:02:51.000 It feels like, well, since the Chad Mendes fight, that's when people started really paying attention.

00:02:55.000 That's where, yeah, things went quick. 0.99

00:02:57.000 That's when people were like, holy shit. 0.97

00:02:58.000 Well, before that, I wasn't even ranked. 0.99

00:03:00.000 Right.

00:03:01.000 And that's why I wanted that fight.

00:03:02.000 Oh, no, no, I think I was ranked 10th, maybe, sorry.

00:03:04.000 So that's why I wanted that fight.

00:03:05.000 I knew if I took him on, that'll get me straight to, you know, 5th rank.

00:03:09.000 And then that's why I wanted to call out, you know, Aldo after that, because I knew that'll put me in a position where I could, you know, fight for a title.

00:03:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:15.000 Shoot for them ranks, as I always said.

00:03:17.000 What is going on at City Kickboxing?

00:03:20.000 You need to tell me, man.

00:03:21.000 Yeah, well, that's another thing that a lot of people don't realize.

00:03:24.000 I'm actually based in Wollongong, but I go there for my camp.

00:03:28.000 So I go there a lot.

00:03:30.000 Do you go to one in New Zealand?

00:03:31.000 Or do you guys have one in Australia?

00:03:33.000 No, no, no.

00:03:33.000 We go to New Zealand.

00:03:34.000 So how far is that flight?

00:03:36.000 About two hours, two and a half hours.

00:03:38.000 What made you decide to make that trip?

00:03:40.000 Well, I've known the guys for a long time, Eugene, Izzy even, and Brad Riddell.

00:03:45.000 Brad Riddell was actually, when I was in Thailand, Tiger Muay Thai, I do a bit of training out there, and he was a striking coach for a while.

00:03:53.000 So I was working with him a fair bit, and that's when they bring Eugene and Israel.

00:03:59.000 That's when I got to know them and stuff like that.

00:04:02.000 Ever since then, we've always got along.

00:04:05.000 Now, we're a part of the team.

00:04:07.000 Joe Lopez is my head coach.

00:04:09.000 We go there to City Kickboxing and train with the boys.

00:04:13.000 Every camp, we'll go there.

00:04:14.000 We'll go there a couple of times each camp.

00:04:17.000 I'll do two or three weeks, get back to the family and train and then go back there again for the last couple of weeks and then I head to my fight, usually.

00:04:23.000 Where do you train when you're home?

00:04:25.000 I train at a freestyle fighting gym.

00:04:27.000 So that's locally where I am.

00:04:28.000 That's where my first day ever in the gym was, at that gym.

00:04:31.000 So that's still where I am today as well.

00:04:32.000 That's awesome.

00:04:33.000 So what made you need to make a shift, though?

00:04:36.000 You need a higher level of competition to train with?

00:04:38.000 Well, yeah, that's always going to be a big part.

00:04:40.000 You know, again, it's not massive right where I am.

00:04:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:43.000 We've got some people, but it's just, you know, we're starting to get a team in that now, but that competitive sort of training partners is a big deal.

00:04:50.000 And my coach has always, you know, Joe's always been a strong believer of training with so many different levels of, you know, styles.

00:04:59.000 That's a great coach.

00:05:00.000 A great coach that's not worried about you going to another camp and training is a great coach.

00:05:04.000 Exactly right.

00:05:04.000 And it works.

00:05:06.000 No surprises come fight time because I've seen so many different body types, so many styles.

00:05:11.000 I put myself in that position every time.

00:05:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:14.000 Every fight camp, I'm doing as many different bodies as I can just so there's no surprises come fight time.

00:05:21.000 Was that your phone?

00:05:22.000 Yeah, it was my phone.

00:05:23.000 Sorry about that.

00:05:24.000 No worries.

00:05:25.000 So, when did you start training?

00:05:27.000 What year did you start?

00:05:28.000 I started...

00:05:29.000 I've been doing it for about...

00:05:30.000 Yeah, not even ten years.

00:05:32.000 Nine years.

00:05:32.000 So, I actually started MMA training as just to keep fit while I was playing rugby league.

00:05:39.000 So, I was...

00:05:41.000 That was when I was 214 pounds.

00:05:43.000 So that's something that obviously when I'm fighting and you say 240 and it'll slowly get up.

00:05:50.000 It's your language.

00:05:51.000 You guys have that Australian language.

00:05:53.000 You say things different.

00:05:54.000 214 sounds like 240. Yeah, exactly.

00:05:57.000 That's what it's up.

00:05:58.000 214. That makes more sense, but still, it's a ridiculous amount of weight.

00:06:01.000 It's still 100%.

00:06:02.000 I'm 5'6 on a good day.

00:06:05.000 Give me a good stretch out, do some yoga sessions.

00:06:07.000 I might make 5'6, but you know what I mean?

00:06:10.000 I was a lot bigger, and I wanted to stay fit in between...

00:06:15.000 Like sort of the season, pre-season.

00:06:17.000 So that's why I went and started and just loved it ever since.

00:06:20.000 So that was about, yeah, again, nine years ago.

00:06:22.000 So, and how old are you now?

00:06:24.000 31. Look at you there.

00:06:25.000 Look at you, you fucking gorilla. 1.00

00:06:26.000 Oh, there you go, see? 1.00

00:06:27.000 Look at the size of you.

00:06:28.000 Jesus Christ.

00:06:29.000 You're 31. Look at that head.

00:06:31.000 So you were, you know, early, early 20s.

00:06:33.000 And no martial arts training at all before that?

00:06:35.000 I wrestled.

00:06:37.000 So I wrestled before I even done rugby league.

00:06:39.000 I wrestled for about probably a year.

00:06:41.000 I can't even remember.

00:06:43.000 Honestly, I'd done it for about a year.

00:06:45.000 And I'd done pretty good.

00:06:47.000 It was something that I was actually pretty good at.

00:06:49.000 But I wanted to play football with my mates and I got over wearing the tights wrestling and stuff like that.

00:06:55.000 So it was just something that...

00:06:57.000 Yeah, I ended up just playing football with a mate, so I sort of gave it up, and I was actually pretty good at it.

00:07:01.000 So we won the Nationals.

00:07:03.000 Obviously, wrestling's not as big in Australia as it is over here, but I still won the Australian Championship twice and stuff like that, but then I just gave it up and started playing football.

00:07:13.000 So that's crazy.

00:07:15.000 So you won the Australian Nationals twice?

00:07:17.000 Yes.

00:07:18.000 Wow.

00:07:18.000 Yeah.

00:07:19.000 So that was, yeah, they'd have them every year.

00:07:21.000 And you'd only been training for a year?

00:07:23.000 You'd only done it for a year?

00:07:25.000 Yeah, honestly.

00:07:25.000 I remember we used to have a game night, we called.

00:07:27.000 It was at a PCYC, Police Boys Club.

00:07:29.000 It's just a local club.

00:07:31.000 Usually they'll have like games nights and they had wrestling there.

00:07:35.000 And I just went there one time and the trainer was just like, oh, you should come and do training because I was doing all right.

00:07:41.000 So I just started doing it and then I was actually pretty good.

00:07:44.000 Again, I was always – like I literally come out the mother's womb like this, you know what I mean?

00:07:49.000 So I've been this big since – I've been this big or this high and looked this old since I was like 12. So I was always – So I was always versing guys twice the size of me, you know what I mean?

00:08:01.000 So I was older, much older as well, and I used to do well.

00:08:05.000 So that's why a lot of people thought I was mad when I gave that up because I was doing so good.

00:08:09.000 And then the same was rugby league.

00:08:11.000 When I played rugby league, even people thought I was mad giving that up as well because that was something I was pretty good at as well.

00:08:16.000 So what made you decide to make a switch to MMA professionally?

00:08:20.000 Just my last year of football, rugby league.

00:08:24.000 We won the comp.

00:08:26.000 I got player of the match.

00:08:27.000 I scored a 40-meter try.

00:08:28.000 So you can imagine that guy running 40 meters.

00:08:31.000 So it was just a good year to finish on.

00:08:35.000 I had a couple of fights as well that year.

00:08:37.000 So I was training at MMA. And having a couple of fights while I was playing rugby league.

00:08:43.000 Oh, really?

00:08:43.000 Yeah, so that was a lot of training.

00:08:44.000 So during the season?

00:08:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:46.000 So during the season you were having fights?

00:08:48.000 Yes.

00:08:48.000 So you'd have a game and then you'd have a fight?

00:08:49.000 Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

00:08:50.000 Wow.

00:08:50.000 So it was pretty full on and still working, still concreting.

00:08:53.000 Really?

00:08:54.000 Jesus Christ.

00:08:55.000 It was pretty full on.

00:08:57.000 So a lot happening, you know, and I guess that's probably where I get some of my fitness today as well, you know what I mean?

00:09:01.000 I've just always been a bit of a gamer and, you know, just...

00:09:04.000 That's just something I've always done, but maybe from back in them days as well.

00:09:08.000 Well, I would imagine that just the sheer tenacity and cardio that you would get from rugby. 0.99

00:09:13.000 Rugby is a tough fucking sport. 0.97

00:09:15.000 I mean, that's what I think Americans should play. 0.99

00:09:17.000 I really do. 1.00

00:09:18.000 I look at American football, I'm like, take off the fucking helmets. 1.00

00:09:22.000 What's up with the shoulder pads? 1.00

00:09:23.000 And honestly, I think it's safer.

00:09:26.000 I think rugby's safer.

00:09:28.000 I don't think it's safe.

00:09:29.000 It's obviously a very rough combat sport.

00:09:31.000 I mean, it's kind of like a team combat sport, almost.

00:09:35.000 But you were at least not under the illusion that you're protected like American football players have been for so long with the helmets and the pads.

00:09:43.000 And that's what's causing a lot of the brain trauma.

00:09:46.000 Yeah, with them hard helmets and all that.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, I get what you mean.

00:09:48.000 Slamming into each other, you know?

00:09:50.000 Yeah, I guess I can see what you're saying there as well.

00:09:53.000 But again, then you're looking at someone running at no helmet as well.

00:09:58.000 But I get what you're saying.

00:10:00.000 I actually think you're right.

00:10:02.000 I think you hit the nail on the head.

00:10:03.000 Well, I think they've considered this, but people are so accustomed to football helmets, football pads.

00:10:10.000 So the idea is to just make better helmets and better pads.

00:10:14.000 According to the guys who really study traumatic brain injury, that's not really going to help because it's the impact, the head, the brain swashing around inside your skull, that is just so...

00:10:26.000 The amount of mass that you have, these guys colliding into each other, it's almost unavoidable.

00:10:31.000 Yeah, it's like actually when you're talking boxing and that as well.

00:10:34.000 And a lot of people, you know, obviously we've got the smaller gloves, but then the boxers, they have more padding, but it's just so many more strikes to the head day in, day out.

00:10:42.000 And they reckon that can be actually worse for you.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, I imagine it is.

00:10:46.000 And then also there's nothing else.

00:10:48.000 You don't even allow to clinch.

00:10:50.000 I mean, if you clinch, they separate you.

00:10:52.000 Whereas in MMA, if you get rocked, you could at least protect yourself.

00:10:55.000 And if it goes to the ground, you could hang on, you could try to submit someone, you could try to wrestle with them.

00:11:00.000 There's not a lot of options in boxing.

00:11:03.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:11:04.000 So you did well in rugby, and you had a couple of fights while you were playing rugby.

00:11:11.000 What was it?

00:11:11.000 Was it just a one-on-one aspect of it?

00:11:13.000 What made you decide to focus entirely on that?

00:11:16.000 Man, I've always loved martial arts.

00:11:18.000 I've always loved it and I love the fact that you're in there by yourself.

00:11:22.000 I've always been a hard worker.

00:11:24.000 So you could play the best game of your life in, say, rugby league and still lose.

00:11:29.000 You could do everything right.

00:11:32.000 Make thousands of meters, whatever it is. 0.97

00:11:34.000 And someone else fucks up.

00:11:35.000 Well, yeah, again, I don't want to put it out. 0.86

00:11:37.000 Put it out!

00:11:38.000 Yeah, exactly right.

00:11:40.000 It could be vice versa.

00:11:41.000 I could play a bad game.

00:11:42.000 We could win.

00:11:43.000 But I love the fact that I'm such a hard worker and I'm always putting the hours in the gym.

00:11:48.000 I'm so dedicated to this sport.

00:11:50.000 So if I lose in that cage, that's on me.

00:11:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:53.000 And I love that.

00:11:54.000 I love the fact that if I am half-arsing it in the gym, you're going to see that come fight time and I've got no one else to blame but myself.

00:12:01.000 So, you know, I've always loved that.

00:12:03.000 And again, I've just always loved martial arts, even boxing, UFC. Even, you know, before I even started, you know, training MMA, I'd like, you know, listen to music and I would, you know, just picture myself winning the world title.

00:12:15.000 Really?

00:12:16.000 Yeah, I've always loved it.

00:12:17.000 Even before you were training?

00:12:17.000 I wasn't even training.

00:12:18.000 You know, it was just something that I've always loved.

00:12:20.000 I actually started watching a...

00:12:22.000 Back when, I think, because we had a box, you know, you get the chips and you can watch whatever channel you want.

00:12:27.000 And the pay-per-view, I probably shouldn't say that, but anyway.

00:12:30.000 So the pay-per-view was on, and I remember watching Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock.

00:12:36.000 That was their first fight.

00:12:38.000 So that was the first time I ever started watching UFC. And that's when I just absolutely started loving it.

00:12:44.000 So I've always watched it and loved it and pictured myself being in there and all that, and I wasn't even training at the time. 0.99

00:12:51.000 Well, Australians are tough as fuck. 1.00

00:12:53.000 It's a tough fucking place. 1.00

00:12:55.000 They're men, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:12:58.000 I'm sure there's some pussies over there too, but they're men, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:13:01.000 It's one of the ways that people look at Australia. 0.99

00:13:04.000 It makes sense.

00:13:07.000 Great combat sport athletes would come out of Australia.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, exactly right.

00:13:11.000 It's a prison colony.

00:13:12.000 I mean, that's really what you guys started off as.

00:13:15.000 Exactly right, yeah.

00:13:16.000 Especially, as you were saying, me being looking like this since a young age, obviously I'm not the type to brag that I get into fights and all that sort of stuff, but when I was younger, that would happen.

00:13:30.000 So I've always...

00:13:31.000 Being known to fight and being able to fight type of thing, I've always had to sort of defend myself.

00:13:36.000 Never been the one to start it, but yeah, there was times where I had to finish it.

00:13:40.000 But you know, it's just always something that I guess I've had in me.

00:13:43.000 So, I mean, Australia, you guys have John Wayne Parr, Jeff Fennett.

00:13:47.000 You guys have had some great combat sports athletes.

00:13:50.000 Well, now it's UFC so big in Australia.

00:13:54.000 So we've always had, as you're saying, very talented guys.

00:13:57.000 We've got a lot of very good athletes over there.

00:13:59.000 But they were always in your rugby leagues and AFL or whatever it is.

00:14:03.000 Now UFC and MMA is getting so big that we're getting these athletes starting to train MMA. And you're only going to see it...

00:14:12.000 We're going to get a lot more champions from our region, I believe.

00:14:15.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:14:15.000 Have you ever trained with John Wayne Parr?

00:14:17.000 I haven't.

00:14:17.000 I've met him.

00:14:18.000 I've met him at a UFC event.

00:14:19.000 I think that's the only time I've ever met him, to be honest.

00:14:21.000 He's actually got to get a hip replacement. 0.98

00:14:24.000 His hip's so fucked up from all his years of kickboxing. 0.98

00:14:27.000 In his last fight, he retired in his last fight, which is a boxing match. 0.99

00:14:30.000 Yeah, Mundine.

00:14:32.000 So that was a blowout.

00:14:34.000 Mundine can actually box really well.

00:14:37.000 He's achieved a lot. 1.00

00:14:39.000 John Wayne Parr's a fucking savage. 1.00

00:14:41.000 He's a straight-up savage. 1.00

00:14:43.000 I mean, that guy's been fighting Muay Thai since he was a teenager.

00:14:48.000 Spent a lot of time in Thailand.

00:14:49.000 I think I watched him, actually.

00:14:52.000 This was a long time ago.

00:14:53.000 This was when my cousin was a kickboxer.

00:14:56.000 And I went and watched him.

00:14:57.000 I was very young.

00:14:58.000 Oh, wow.

00:14:59.000 And I'm pretty sure it was John Wayne Parr.

00:15:01.000 I need to actually hit him up.

00:15:03.000 I need to hit up my cousin.

00:15:04.000 Was John Wayne Parr the main event of that?

00:15:06.000 Because I remember watching.

00:15:07.000 I'll connect you and John Wayne if you'd like.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, I appreciate that.

00:15:12.000 Sweet, for sure.

00:15:13.000 But again, I've always been a fan of him too, when I got a little bit older.

00:15:18.000 But again, it's something that I've always been fascinated about, all combat sports.

00:15:22.000 So you decided to make the leap.

00:15:24.000 Was it the rugby season was over and you're like, you know what, I'm done?

00:15:29.000 Yeah, well, while I was fighting, again, my last year, I had a couple of fights.

00:15:33.000 How many fights did you have before you quit?

00:15:35.000 I think I had two.

00:15:35.000 I think I had two fights.

00:15:36.000 And that was enough?

00:15:38.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:15:39.000 You know, I'm a pretty competitive type of guy.

00:15:41.000 And the fact that, you know, I wasn't at the highest level in rugby league yet, you know, I was 22. And, you know, at that age, usually, you know, if you're not in, you know, not NRL, as that's the highest, if you're not in the NRL by like 22, you're You're pretty much yanking in, sort of like that.

00:15:58.000 And that's how I was.

00:15:59.000 And again, I'm competitive.

00:16:00.000 So I was like, I don't know if I'm going to make it up.

00:16:01.000 Even though I was pretty good, I made a lot of rep sides and stuff like that.

00:16:05.000 But I was just, nah, I'm going to take this one.

00:16:07.000 I reckon I can go the whole way.

00:16:08.000 And again, I've already pictured myself winning world titles and stuff like this.

00:16:12.000 And I even told people before I even started that I'm going to be UFC champion one time.

00:16:16.000 And they're probably thinking...

00:16:18.000 Where are you even getting this?

00:16:19.000 I'm sure a lot of people say that.

00:16:21.000 A lot of people have said it.

00:16:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:23.000 To actually go out there and do it, though, it's pretty cool.

00:16:27.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:16:28.000 Because I remember even having conversations with friends and watching the UFC. Again, I wasn't even training.

00:16:32.000 And I remember saying, I would have sounded cocky, to be honest, the way it would have come out.

00:16:37.000 But I'm like, I reckon I could do it.

00:16:38.000 I reckon I can do it.

00:16:39.000 How many fights have you had total?

00:16:41.000 20 and 1. 21 and 1?

00:16:44.000 20 and 1. I don't even know.

00:16:46.000 We're 20 and 1, I think.

00:16:47.000 When did you have your first loss?

00:16:49.000 That was my third fight, or fourth fight.

00:16:51.000 Oh, so it was right after you decided to go pro.

00:16:53.000 I mean, right after you decided to make that your life.

00:16:55.000 Oh, no, it was actually because I had two amateur fights.

00:16:59.000 Oh, okay.

00:16:59.000 No, that went before when I started.

00:17:01.000 Oh, so the amateur fights were when you were doing rugby.

00:17:03.000 Yes, so I had four amateur fights, then went pro.

00:17:05.000 So I didn't have the...

00:17:06.000 That was against, at the time, Corey Nelson, his name.

00:17:09.000 A little shout-out for Corey Nelson.

00:17:11.000 But he was a...

00:17:12.000 He was a pound-for-pound number one.

00:17:14.000 Obviously, it was that welterweight this was.

00:17:16.000 It was very early in my career, and I should not have took that far, but we were in a tournament.

00:17:20.000 I had him first, so I had the favourite straight up.

00:17:23.000 Again, it was in a division I probably should never have been in.

00:17:26.000 I took him on.

00:17:27.000 I don't know how I held my own, but things didn't go well.

00:17:30.000 We always talk about things really...

00:17:34.000 It went a lot better for me after that because I realised that he was too strong.

00:17:39.000 I thought, I have to go...

00:17:41.000 Or I have to start grappling as well.

00:17:42.000 So that's when I actually started grappling after that.

00:17:45.000 My coach was like, alright, you've got control a bit too much in there.

00:17:48.000 Let's just do jiu-jitsu for the next three, four months or whatever it is, just straight jiu-jitsu.

00:17:52.000 I had a jiu-jitsu comp.

00:17:54.000 And, you know, as I say, again, that's when I started dieting as well.

00:17:57.000 But I remember doing that jiu-jitsu comp.

00:18:00.000 And I was on the podium, I ended up getting the gold.

00:18:02.000 So I was on the first podium, they're on the second and third, and they're still taller than me.

00:18:05.000 So these are the guys that, you know, I'm so familiar.

00:18:09.000 That's why now I fight at featherweight, and I really do look at these, even though they still tower over me, because I'm still short in my division, but I look at them and they're like, you know, I'm used to footy players, big front rowers.

00:18:18.000 Right.

00:18:18.000 You know, props and fighting middleweight and all these different divisions that, you know, I look at these, you know, featherweights, I'm just like, they're puny compared to what I'm used to, but...

00:18:27.000 That does make sense, though.

00:18:29.000 I mean, you fighting at 170 is crazy.

00:18:32.000 I mean, that's 25 pounds heavier than what you're fighting at now.

00:18:35.000 And that was at pro, and again, fighting the top guys.

00:18:38.000 So I fought at Anton Zafir before that, and he was a UFC fighter as well in welterweight.

00:18:43.000 So what did you do to drop the weight down, and what do you walk around at?

00:18:46.000 Now I walk around, I'm a bit heavy after because I obviously broke my hand and stuff like that.

00:18:51.000 You broke the hand in the max fight?

00:18:53.000 Yes, I did, yeah.

00:18:54.000 I broke that in the max fight.

00:18:55.000 Which round?

00:18:56.000 I'm not too sure.

00:18:58.000 I remember feeling it and throwing it and being like, oh, that hurt.

00:19:01.000 I think from watching back the tape, I wanted to watch back and see where I noticed it.

00:19:05.000 I noticed in the fifth round, I think it was early in the fifth round, I think.

00:19:21.000 So you were walking around at now?

00:19:25.000 Yeah, I'm about 78 kilograms.

00:19:27.000 What is that?

00:19:28.000 That's over 170. So what's that 170-something, I guess?

00:19:31.000 Jesus Christ.

00:19:33.000 That's heavy.

00:19:33.000 I'm usually around maybe a couple of kilos less than that usually.

00:19:38.000 So the weight comes off.

00:19:39.000 I hold a lot of water.

00:19:40.000 165-ish?

00:19:41.000 Yeah, I guess you could say that.

00:19:42.000 But yeah, I took holidays.

00:19:44.000 I went hard in it.

00:19:46.000 Wow.

00:19:46.000 You should celebrate, man.

00:19:48.000 That's it.

00:19:48.000 One time in your whole life, you get to be champ for the first time.

00:19:51.000 Yeah, exactly right.

00:19:52.000 Exactly right.

00:19:53.000 This is your time.

00:19:54.000 But again, I didn't, you know, having the broken hand, you know, I want to train.

00:19:56.000 I'm the type of, you know, I try and be a, you know, I'm a professional, so I'll do what I can.

00:20:01.000 I was still doing as many things as I could, you know, strength condition, building them legs.

00:20:06.000 Being able to just throw, you know, a shitload of left hooks and jabs, so I should have a good left hook and jab come next fight, so I got to work a lot on that.

00:20:13.000 Well, that's great.

00:20:14.000 Now, when you decided to diet down, you were even heavier than you are now.

00:20:20.000 What did you do to get your weight down from 214 to a manageable weight where you could make featherweight?

00:20:25.000 Yeah, obviously dieting is just absolute key.

00:20:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:29.000 Even now, even when I train so hard, if you're not dieting well, the weight won't come off.

00:20:35.000 But starting early, again, I didn't know much.

00:20:40.000 I don't know what I know now.

00:20:42.000 Having dietitians and that, I was never doing that.

00:20:44.000 So I just literally ate next to nothing.

00:20:47.000 Like I told you, I was playing rugby league.

00:20:50.000 I was fighting, training, and then concrete.

00:20:53.000 When I was getting close to fights, I was eating next to nothing.

00:20:57.000 Did you get sick a lot?

00:21:00.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:21:01.000 Staph infections all the time and all that.

00:21:04.000 It's crucial.

00:21:05.000 Obviously, there's science to it all.

00:21:07.000 Where now it's an absolute game changer.

00:21:09.000 So I just, yeah, pretty much lost my weight that way.

00:21:12.000 So I used to be a little bit, you know, bigger.

00:21:13.000 Obviously, from eating like that as well, you know, you lose muscle, you lose, you know, you're probably losing strength and everything like that, obviously.

00:21:20.000 You're losing health.

00:21:21.000 Yeah, exactly right.

00:21:22.000 So, you know, it probably makes me make 145 a bit easier now because I don't have as much muscle as I did.

00:21:30.000 Again, it wasn't healthy.

00:21:31.000 And it put me in, again, I had to miss out fights from bad staph infections and, you know, MRSA and, you know, all that.

00:21:37.000 Oh, you got MRSA. Jesus Christ.

00:21:39.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:21:39.000 It scares the shit out of me. 0.94

00:21:40.000 Yeah.

00:21:41.000 That's terrifying.

00:21:42.000 It rattles you.

00:21:43.000 How long did it get you in there for?

00:21:44.000 What's that story?

00:21:45.000 How long were you in the hospital for that?

00:21:47.000 Yeah, I was in the hospital the first day, but then they just had a nurse that come to your house every morning and night to give you everything.

00:21:53.000 So it was pretty full on.

00:21:54.000 And then obviously you know about when I got cellulitis after the Brazil fight with Aldo.

00:22:01.000 Well, cellulitis is a form of staph.

00:22:03.000 Yeah, yep, yep.

00:22:04.000 So that got in my leg, so I was a rattle, man.

00:22:07.000 So it was crazy.

00:22:08.000 We always talk about how MMA is such a rollercoaster ride, you know what I mean?

00:22:13.000 So many highs and lows, and that's a perfect example.

00:22:16.000 You go over to Brazil and then beat one of the greatest featherweights of all time, and then you get put in hospital, and I was there for like a week.

00:22:23.000 In Brazil?

00:22:24.000 No, that was in Chile.

00:22:26.000 So I was on my way home where it just absolutely rocked me.

00:22:29.000 And I was struggling.

00:22:30.000 I was really struggling.

00:22:31.000 I really was.

00:22:32.000 I had like 40 plus degree temperatures and all that.

00:22:35.000 40 plus Celsius?

00:22:36.000 Yes, yeah, yeah.

00:22:37.000 Sorry, yeah.

00:22:39.000 Translate that.

00:22:40.000 We should all just... 0.99

00:22:41.000 Why the fuck don't we just go... 0.99

00:22:43.000 The rest of the world is on the cellular system. 0.99

00:22:46.000 Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get today.

00:22:48.000 I was like, even wearing the clothes, I ended up dressing up.

00:22:51.000 What is 40 Celsius?

00:22:53.000 What is that?

00:22:54.000 Let's guess.

00:22:56.000 I'm going to say 104. Yeah, that's a high one.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, so like 101, 102. Because whenever my Canadian friends say, oh, it's 40 degrees out, I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? 0.95

00:23:08.000 That's cold as shit. 1.00

00:23:09.000 Dead on. 1.00

00:23:10.000 Was it?

00:23:10.000 Really?

00:23:11.000 Oh, good stuff.

00:23:12.000 I'm doing it myself.

00:23:14.000 But kilos, between kilos and Celsius, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

00:23:19.000 I'm trying to keep up with that because obviously, I'm alright now, I always say 145. Every time I'm like, 145 champ.

00:23:26.000 So I'm 214 when I'm talking about that, but again, my Aussie accent, everyone gets that wrong.

00:23:31.000 I think it was just me. 0.58

00:23:32.000 I think I fucked it up. 0.85

00:23:33.000 It's funny. 0.91

00:23:33.000 You know, you always go on your social media and there's always like these things like, you know, they just roll on with like certain things. 0.91

00:23:40.000 Like, you know, whenever I'm posted, everyone will try and say I'm a New Zealander.

00:23:43.000 And like, they just start like banter like that.

00:23:46.000 And like, you know, everyone's into each other on there.

00:23:48.000 But there was one that the same as, oh yeah, I got told that he was 240.

00:23:52.000 And it's like, they're just sort of trying to quote you.

00:23:54.000 And they're like going and just keeps growing and growing and growing.

00:23:57.000 So it started off 210.

00:23:58.000 Even when you say 240, I can't distinguish that between 240 and 214, that accent. 0.64

00:24:02.000 Yeah, 214. It's a cool fucking accent, though. 0.98

00:24:05.000 Australian's a straight-up cool accent. 0.99

00:24:07.000 Australian and New Zealand, those are both very cool accents. 0.99

00:24:10.000 Some accents are just ridiculous. 0.98

00:24:11.000 They need to stop.

00:24:12.000 But you guys, you got a cool accent, man.

00:24:14.000 I appreciate that.

00:24:15.000 Thank you.

00:24:15.000 New Zealand's a dope place to be, too, man.

00:24:17.000 I want to go visit there.

00:24:18.000 Just the beauty of it all, man.

00:24:20.000 So green.

00:24:22.000 Man, I love that type of stuff.

00:24:23.000 I'm all about the landscapes and all that type of stuff.

00:24:27.000 But I'm never actually...

00:24:29.000 Every time I'm in New Zealand, I'm in Auckland in the city there just training.

00:24:32.000 That's it.

00:24:33.000 So I never actually get to go see the place.

00:24:35.000 I did for the last event where the boys fought in Auckland.

00:24:39.000 The Dan Hooker-Paul Felder fight?

00:24:41.000 Yep, so I was there.

00:24:42.000 Great fight.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, it was.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, that was unreal.

00:24:44.000 What a fight.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, man, that was good.

00:24:45.000 Good fight, for sure.

00:24:47.000 And I was there because I was at a wedding the night before.

00:24:50.000 So, yeah, the night before, and that was like five hours north.

00:24:53.000 So I had to drive five hours.

00:24:55.000 I remember in Australia and that, like the UFCs in the morning.

00:25:00.000 So I had to get up like 3 in the morning, 3.30 in the morning and drive all the way there to watch the fight.

00:25:05.000 While I was there for the wedding, I got to see a bit more.

00:25:07.000 I went fishing and stuff like that.

00:25:10.000 Beautiful trout fishing in New Zealand.

00:25:12.000 Supposed to be some of the best in the world.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, some beautiful spots up there.

00:25:15.000 So it was a good drive.

00:25:16.000 At least it was a good drive on the way back down.

00:25:18.000 The word is in New Zealand when it's really good is during mice season.

00:25:22.000 Mice season?

00:25:23.000 Yes.

00:25:23.000 Okay.

00:25:24.000 Ready for this?

00:25:25.000 Yeah.

00:25:25.000 So something happens where there's more seeds, and when there's more seeds, there's more mice.

00:25:31.000 And when there's more mice, the mice get into the water.

00:25:33.000 And when the mice get into the water, the trout eat the mice.

00:25:36.000 And so they catch these enormous trout that have just dozens of mice in their bellies.

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:43.000 Mate, you know all these sort of like... 0.99

00:25:46.000 I know weird shit. 1.00

00:25:47.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

00:25:47.000 I don't know why I know so much weird shit. 1.00

00:25:49.000 That's good, though. 0.99

00:25:49.000 It's good. 0.99

00:25:50.000 This is actually a shout-out to Jay Scott.

00:25:52.000 Listen to the Jay Scott Outdoors podcast where he's talking to...

00:25:55.000 It's a hunting and fishing podcast where they were talking about...

00:25:58.000 They were talking to a guy who's a guide in New Zealand.

00:26:02.000 Oh, okay.

00:26:03.000 They were talking about when's the best time to go over there.

00:26:06.000 They just have an enormous brown trout.

00:26:09.000 All right.

00:26:09.000 Over in New Zealand.

00:26:10.000 Yeah, I've never done trout fishing, though.

00:26:12.000 I've done a lot of fishing, but I've never done the freshwater fishing.

00:26:15.000 That's fun.

00:26:15.000 Yeah?

00:26:16.000 They do fly fishing, too, which is a little bit more skillful.

00:26:19.000 Okay, yeah.

00:26:20.000 What am I giving that?

00:26:21.000 I thought I could fish, eh?

00:26:23.000 Last time I went fishing, I went there, and we would try to get kings, and we had to...

00:26:26.000 What do you call them?

00:26:27.000 Like when you're...

00:26:28.000 Kingshammon?

00:26:29.000 Yeah, you've got to reel it in and pull it up.

00:26:32.000 Oh, jigging.

00:26:32.000 Yeah, jigging.

00:26:33.000 I was useless at that.

00:26:35.000 I thought I'm pretty coordinated, but I just couldn't do it.

00:26:38.000 I couldn't get it right.

00:26:39.000 I didn't know what it was, but I thought I could fish, but maybe little small fish and that I'm all right with, but the big fish, I need to work on that.

00:26:46.000 Well, it's a skill, like anything else.

00:26:48.000 Fishing, the guys are really good at it.

00:26:51.000 They're consistently good at it.

00:26:52.000 It's not an accident.

00:26:54.000 I do a lot more spearfishing.

00:26:56.000 Do you?

00:26:56.000 Yes.

00:26:56.000 That looks fun.

00:26:58.000 Yeah.

00:26:59.000 Again, as you know, underwater, it's just a whole other world.

00:27:02.000 Yeah.

00:27:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:03.000 So it's unreal.

00:27:04.000 It really is.

00:27:05.000 And I love it.

00:27:05.000 So I go with a mate who's a professional.

00:27:08.000 Spear fisherman, and he's an abalone diver.

00:27:10.000 He does all that.

00:27:11.000 So he takes me to pretty crazy places, like in the middle of the ocean, just where there's a buoy, I don't know what you would call it here, just a chain, and there's a floaty buoy, we call him.

00:27:21.000 And they're just there, and then we'll go there, fish off there, and go for dolphin fish and stuff like that.

00:27:27.000 You literally just see a chain that goes down, and it just disappears.

00:27:30.000 It's pretty scary when you're out there, and sometimes you're on your way, and you'll see a shark on the way over there.

00:27:35.000 And then you've got to jump in and you luck flower out.

00:27:38.000 Yeah, I've had friends that were hunters that got into spearfishing.

00:27:41.000 They say it's basically like hunting.

00:27:42.000 You're hunting underwater.

00:27:45.000 And also the element of holding your breath.

00:27:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:48.000 And so there's an athletic element to it.

00:27:50.000 And then the fucking predators underwater, they're way scarier than predators on land because you can't get away. 0.99

00:27:57.000 It's not a goddamn thing you can do. 1.00

00:27:59.000 It's not our world, you know what I mean? 0.94

00:28:01.000 It's not our world at all.

00:28:03.000 It's unreal.

00:28:03.000 So I get to watch him, my mate Jack Lavender, a little shout out to him as well.

00:28:08.000 So I get to go down there and watch.

00:28:09.000 He can hold his breath forever.

00:28:11.000 Five minutes he'll be down there.

00:28:13.000 Sometimes when it's murky, he'll go down and he'll just disappear.

00:28:16.000 And I start getting nervous.

00:28:18.000 I'm like, oh, now I feel like I'm by myself, you know what I mean?

00:28:20.000 And then you'll hear a...

00:28:22.000 So you'll hear that mean like a year ago and then he'll just come up.

00:28:25.000 I'm like, where is he?

00:28:26.000 And I'll see him come up like 100 meters away and stuff like that.

00:28:29.000 But, you know, it's unreal.

00:28:31.000 It really is.

00:28:32.000 It's something that I think you should...

00:28:33.000 Have you...

00:28:33.000 So you haven't done it?

00:28:34.000 Never.

00:28:34.000 Oh, I haven't done it.

00:28:34.000 I need to get in there.

00:28:35.000 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 My friend Bert just got back.

00:28:38.000 We've had Valentine Thomas on the podcast before and she does it basically professionally.

00:28:42.000 Oh, okay.

00:28:43.000 Yeah.

00:28:43.000 She's always spearfishing and her whole Instagram...

00:28:47.000 Pull up her Instagram.

00:28:48.000 Her Instagram is all like...

00:28:51.000 She was a lawyer. 0.83

00:28:52.000 She was trained to be a lawyer in Montreal.

00:28:54.000 Okay, yeah. 0.99

00:28:55.000 And she was like, what the fuck am I doing? 0.98

00:28:56.000 I don't want to do this. 1.00

00:28:58.000 So now, you know, against her family's wishes, she's out there jacking tuna and shit. 1.00

00:29:03.000 All right, yeah. 0.99

00:29:04.000 That's cool.

00:29:05.000 But yeah, her... 1.00

00:29:06.000 Oh, there you go.

00:29:08.000 Yeah.

00:29:09.000 All of her Instagram is all dedicated to her catching wild fish.

00:29:14.000 Oh, far out.

00:29:15.000 And she's hot. 1.00

00:29:15.000 She speared that? 1.00

00:29:17.000 Yeah.

00:29:17.000 Looks like she did.

00:29:19.000 Yeah.

00:29:19.000 Man, that's trying to pull that.

00:29:20.000 Still got the fucking spear in it. 1.00

00:29:22.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:29:23.000 When did she get that? 1.00

00:29:24.000 Far out. 1.00

00:29:25.000 Goddamn. 1.00

00:29:26.000 That's huge. 0.99

00:29:27.000 Is that a swordfish or a marlin?

00:29:29.000 That's a marlin, right?

00:29:29.000 Looks like a marlin, yeah.

00:29:30.000 Yeah.

00:29:30.000 How do you even...

00:29:32.000 How does that even work?

00:29:33.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:29:34.000 I mean, how do you pull that fucker in? 1.00

00:29:37.000 Pull the trigger and then just lock your spear gun to the boat or something like that? 1.00

00:29:41.000 I mean, that's some serious line on that thing.

00:29:43.000 How do you even get close to that?

00:29:44.000 I caught one Marlin once.

00:29:46.000 It was a small Marlin.

00:29:47.000 And it was like 70 pounds.

00:29:49.000 And it was so hard to pull in. 0.98

00:29:51.000 It's kind of a fucked up story. 0.98

00:29:53.000 It was with my oldest daughter and she was... 0.99

00:29:56.000 I want to say she was 12 at the time or 13, and she was a vegetarian because she loves animals.

00:30:01.000 I'm like, let's go catch a fish.

00:30:03.000 It'll be great.

00:30:04.000 You'll catch a fish and you eat it.

00:30:06.000 Because she had started eating a little bit of meat.

00:30:08.000 Yep.

00:30:09.000 So I take her.

00:30:10.000 We catch a Marlin five minutes into the trip.

00:30:12.000 They pull it on board, beat it to death with a club right in front of her. 0.99

00:30:15.000 She's like, oh, and it's big, right?

00:30:17.000 Like the size of a dog, right?

00:30:19.000 And they're beating this thing with clubs.

00:30:21.000 You see the look at her poor face? 0.90

00:30:22.000 She was like, ooh. 1.00

00:30:23.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:30:25.000 Welcome back to the... 1.00

00:30:26.000 It didn't die quick either.

00:30:28.000 It kept making noises.

00:30:29.000 It'd flop around every now and then.

00:30:31.000 It would come back to life a little bit and flop around.

00:30:33.000 Did she go back to vegetarian after that? 0.99

00:30:36.000 No, she eats meat. 1.00

00:30:36.000 She eats meat. 1.00

00:30:38.000 It was a bit traumatic.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, I could imagine.

00:30:41.000 But I love fishing, man.

00:30:42.000 It's just one of my favorite things to do.

00:30:44.000 I love it.

00:30:45.000 I do a bit of hunting and stuff myself.

00:30:49.000 I've watched the meat eater a couple of times.

00:30:53.000 Do you hunt in Australia?

00:30:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:55.000 Australia's a great place to hunt.

00:30:56.000 Yeah.

00:30:57.000 Shout out to my friend Adam Greentree.

00:30:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:59.000 I watched a bit of him, yeah?

00:31:00.000 That's his skull.

00:31:01.000 Oh, there you go.

00:31:02.000 That came from Australia.

00:31:03.000 All right.

00:31:04.000 Oh, wow.

00:31:04.000 Okay.

00:31:05.000 Asiatic water buffalo. 1.00

00:31:07.000 Dangerous motherfuckers. 1.00

00:31:08.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:31:08.000 They're big, far out. 1.00

00:31:10.000 I've never done like that.

00:31:12.000 I've never been right up there.

00:31:13.000 He'll take you.

00:31:14.000 Don't go.

00:31:15.000 If he offers, don't do it.

00:31:16.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

00:31:17.000 But you're trying to drag me out there.

00:31:18.000 There's nothing but mosquitoes and crocodiles.

00:31:19.000 Exactly.

00:31:20.000 Mosquitoes and crocodiles.

00:31:21.000 They drank water that they filtered out.

00:31:23.000 It still tasted like buffalo piss.

00:31:25.000 Yeah.

00:31:26.000 Because the buffalo's piss in this water. 0.99

00:31:27.000 And all you do is just filter it. 1.00

00:31:28.000 I'm like, fuck you. 1.00

00:31:31.000 Well, actually, it's funny you say that. 1.00

00:31:33.000 Because I wanted to, you know, I gave you that kangaroo hat. 0.70

00:31:36.000 Oh, is it there?

00:31:37.000 Okay.

00:31:37.000 Yeah.

00:31:38.000 Oh, there we go.

00:31:39.000 Cheers.

00:31:42.000 Is there a right way to wear it?

00:31:43.000 I think this part's on the front, right?

00:31:45.000 Yeah, I'd say so.

00:31:46.000 I don't know, actually.

00:31:47.000 Come on, how good does that look?

00:31:48.000 There you go.

00:31:49.000 I belong over there.

00:31:50.000 I fit right in.

00:31:51.000 If I didn't live in North America, Australia's where I'd live.

00:31:54.000 Yeah?

00:31:55.000 Yeah.

00:31:55.000 I love it there.

00:31:56.000 I don't go there very much because the fucking flight's too long. 0.97

00:31:59.000 Oh, right, yeah. 0.98

00:31:59.000 You need to fix that. 0.98

00:32:00.000 So...

00:32:03.000 How do we fix that?

00:32:04.000 I was going to actually get you, they even had crocodile belts and stuff like that, but I wanted to actually get you a knife, a custom made one with luck, and I was going to get maybe crocodile skin around the time.

00:32:16.000 Thank you for the hat.

00:32:18.000 Hey, thank you very much for the hat. 1.00

00:32:19.000 Look at all these fucking crocodiles. 1.00

00:32:21.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:32:22.000 Actually, what's that video? 1.00

00:32:23.000 Yeah, look at this. 1.00

00:32:24.000 Fuck you, Adam Greentree. 1.00

00:32:27.000 This is probably in Australia. 1.00

00:32:28.000 They're the Everglades.

00:32:29.000 I don't know.

00:32:30.000 What?

00:32:31.000 I mean, I couldn't find out.

00:32:32.000 No, those are crocodiles, bro.

00:32:33.000 That's not alligators.

00:32:35.000 If you look at their snouts, they're long and thin.

00:32:38.000 Crocodiles have a long, thin snout, whereas alligators have a blunt snout.

00:32:44.000 I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, those are crocodiles, bro.

00:32:48.000 And the fact where you could be going past little ponds, or not even just a little puddle, and there'll be a big croc laying in it and stuff like that. 0.97

00:32:56.000 This is so ridiculous. 0.99

00:32:57.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.99

00:32:58.000 It's scary. 0.98

00:32:59.000 Hold my beer while I go for a boat ride.

00:33:01.000 It's so many.

00:33:03.000 It's so many.

00:33:04.000 I mean, that's insane.

00:33:05.000 That doesn't even make sense.

00:33:06.000 I don't know where that is.

00:33:07.000 Maybe that's Africa. 1.00

00:33:08.000 But if it's Australia, fuck you, Adam Greentree. 1.00

00:33:12.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

00:33:12.000 I don't think I could do that. 1.00

00:33:14.000 I'll be the snakes and all that.

00:33:16.000 When I was younger, I used to be pretty wild.

00:33:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:19.000 Like, I'll do anything.

00:33:20.000 You know, I'm not one.

00:33:21.000 Get me on a snowboard.

00:33:23.000 I'll try to backflip off a cliff and, you know, cliff jumping and all.

00:33:26.000 I'll do it all. 0.90

00:33:26.000 Like, I was silly. 0.90

00:33:27.000 But now that, obviously, I can't afford to get injured and having kids.

00:33:30.000 Having kids that really does throw you off doing some of that sort of stuff.

00:33:35.000 So now I'll be way too scared up there.

00:33:37.000 I wouldn't be able to do it.

00:33:38.000 You shouldn't.

00:33:38.000 We need you.

00:33:39.000 You're very important.

00:33:41.000 So your position now where you are the UFC champion, what is next?

00:33:45.000 Is it a rematch with Max Holloway?

00:33:47.000 Look, right now we don't really have anything locked in.

00:33:50.000 Obviously, I think they were waiting for clearances and stuff like that.

00:33:53.000 Is the hand clear now?

00:33:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:55.000 How many months ago was the fight now?

00:33:57.000 When was that?

00:33:58.000 It was December 15th, so yeah, a few months.

00:34:01.000 So I just had my first wrestling sessions and grappling sessions.

00:34:06.000 It held up well.

00:34:07.000 So I told my doc that, and he's happy.

00:34:11.000 They're more than happy for the June.

00:34:13.000 Obviously, there's a perf card in June.

00:34:14.000 And yeah, so that's something that...

00:34:17.000 Do you have a pin in there or anything?

00:34:18.000 I've got a couple of screws.

00:34:19.000 Yeah, so I've got a couple of screws in there, and done a bit of a ligament damage as well.

00:34:24.000 We don't know if that was before the fight or during the fight.

00:34:27.000 But, you know, again, I'm back into training, and it doesn't take me long to get fit, and I try to do it again.

00:34:31.000 I'm professional.

00:34:31.000 I try to keep training.

00:34:32.000 But nothing's locked in.

00:34:34.000 Nothing's locked in.

00:34:34.000 We haven't even really had that conversation yet.

00:34:37.000 But all, you know, everything's pointing to, you know, Perf, and even Max being the rematch, you know, that's what Dana White keeps bringing up, but we haven't had that conversation.

00:34:46.000 I think for...

00:34:48.000 The division.

00:34:48.000 And for me, I think that probably is still the biggest fight.

00:34:51.000 It's a big fight.

00:34:52.000 Yeah, you know what I mean?

00:34:53.000 It's a big fight and there's nothing else that makes sense in the horizon.

00:34:57.000 That's the thing.

00:34:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:58.000 We've got so many.

00:34:59.000 Ortega is going to fight Korean Zombie. 0.99

00:35:02.000 I don't know what the fuck happened this weekend. 0.97

00:35:04.000 Were you there when he smacked Jay Park? 0.99

00:35:06.000 I just missed that.

00:35:07.000 So I knew that that could have happened because when...

00:35:12.000 Yeah, Korean Zombie done the interview where they had the translator, where all that sort of happened.

00:35:17.000 I was watching it, so I knew what happened.

00:35:20.000 And Ortega said that he was going to slap him.

00:35:22.000 He actually said this. 0.99

00:35:23.000 He was going, I'm going to slap you when I see you, or something like that. 0.75

00:35:26.000 Why was he saying that?

00:35:27.000 Because Jay Park was translating for Korean Zombie, and supposedly he said things that insulted Ortega, and Ortega didn't like it, so he said he was going to...

00:35:36.000 But did he say things, or did he translate the things?

00:35:40.000 Yeah, that's what a lot of people are saying, but I think...

00:35:43.000 He didn't translate fully and then he just sort of had his opinion as well.

00:35:46.000 Maybe.

00:35:47.000 So I think Jay Park might have just said that he was duck and zombie when he got injured, how they were meant to fight.

00:35:54.000 And that happened.

00:35:55.000 So I think he said that himself as in...

00:35:57.000 I don't know, it was weird.

00:35:58.000 So I was away though.

00:35:59.000 So I wasn't away.

00:36:00.000 I was backstage with...

00:36:01.000 We have easy.

00:36:02.000 So we go out there and watch the boys and then we all huddle up and do our thing.

00:36:06.000 And then I went back and then it just happened.

00:36:09.000 So it was Joe, my coach, ends up telling me, he's like, oh, there was a fight just there.

00:36:13.000 And he didn't really know who it was.

00:36:15.000 And then I got told by a couple of people.

00:36:17.000 And then I'm like, oh, man, I bet you it was that Jay Park because I didn't know he was there.

00:36:21.000 You can't do that.

00:36:23.000 He's a tiny little guy, too.

00:36:25.000 You can't smack that guy.

00:36:26.000 Even if you want to.

00:36:28.000 I mean, if you want to point at him and get in his face and make him nervous, that's fine. 1.00

00:36:32.000 But you're a goddamn professional killer. 1.00

00:36:35.000 Brian Ortega's a killer. 1.00

00:36:37.000 You can't be smacking some guy who's a rapper. 0.99

00:36:39.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:36:40.000 Well, if he wanted to get that fight again, I think it worked.

00:36:44.000 Well, he was getting that fight again anyway, wasn't he?

00:36:47.000 Wasn't it scheduled?

00:36:48.000 I don't know if that was.

00:36:50.000 Because it was scheduled and then it didn't happen.

00:36:52.000 Ortega's gone through a series of pretty significant injuries that just keep happening to him.

00:36:56.000 I heard him and Zabit as well.

00:37:00.000 I don't know if that's happened, so I don't know.

00:37:02.000 Oh, that is what I heard.

00:37:04.000 That's right.

00:37:05.000 You're right.

00:37:06.000 It was Calvin Cater, Jeremy Stevens, and Zabit in Ortega.

00:37:11.000 Those are the things that I heard.

00:37:13.000 But after Chan Sung Jung knocked out Frankie Edgar, who knows?

00:37:17.000 Maybe they would make that fight now.

00:37:19.000 But I don't want to reward people for smacking people.

00:37:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:22.000 They shouldn't make a fight just because he smacked Jay Park.

00:37:26.000 Yeah, I'm hearing you.

00:37:27.000 Again, when you're talking about the division and what's next for me, while I was injured, I thought there's so many people that are probably one fight away From a title shot, I believe.

00:37:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:38.000 You've got your Ortegas, Zabit, Korean Zombie, Yeh.

00:37:43.000 I think any of them fight each other and win, I think they're clear number one.

00:37:48.000 I think, you know what I mean?

00:37:49.000 Obviously, people are going to always say, you know, Max deserves that immediate rematch and things like that.

00:37:54.000 And I understand that.

00:37:55.000 But, I mean, I think they could have had a case there, too, actually.

00:37:58.000 But no one did anything.

00:37:59.000 So, right now...

00:38:00.000 I'm not going to wait around, especially when there's an Aussie card. 0.98

00:38:04.000 I think they've been talking to Max.

00:38:05.000 I don't even know.

00:38:06.000 Again, we haven't even had that conversation.

00:38:07.000 I just do my thing.

00:38:08.000 I let my team do theirs, and I just do my thing.

00:38:11.000 But nothing's happened yet.

00:38:12.000 It's a hot division.

00:38:13.000 I mean, that division is hot.

00:38:15.000 Just like Calvin Cater, who's another guy who's on the up, that's a dangerous guy.

00:38:21.000 There's so much talent in that division.

00:38:23.000 It's an amazing division, really.

00:38:25.000 145 is one of the, if you look at stacked divisions, one of the most stacked divisions in the sport.

00:38:31.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:38:32.000 I think so, for sure.

00:38:33.000 There's a lot of killers in there, and now they've all got their eyes on me.

00:38:38.000 Well, I was so impressed with the fight you fought against Max because to fight your style for five rounds, you have to be in tremendous shape because you have such an explosive style.

00:38:51.000 Your style is so movement, leg kick heavy, and then power shots.

00:38:56.000 I mean, you're throwing so many power punches.

00:38:58.000 Just your sheer output.

00:39:00.000 And you're not touching people.

00:39:01.000 You're smashing.

00:39:02.000 It's a very difficult style to maintain for five rounds.

00:39:07.000 Yeah, well it is, but you know, again, I've always been a hard worker and we train hard.

00:39:12.000 We definitely train.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, we all put in our, I don't know if you've ever, we call a workout, we call it Spider.

00:39:21.000 It was named after someone, but yeah, Spider.

00:39:23.000 So it's just literally fight gone bad and it's just the hardest, whatever you're fighting.

00:39:28.000 If it's a three-rounder, you'll do the three rounds.

00:39:30.000 If it's a five-rounder, you do the five-rounder.

00:39:32.000 It's like the hardest five-minute rounds that you can think of.

00:39:36.000 And, like, they just put you versus everyone.

00:39:38.000 Like, the atmosphere is absolutely crazy.

00:39:40.000 And, like, if you'd just seen the workout, you'd be like, wow.

00:39:43.000 You know, okay, that explains why he's fit.

00:39:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:46.000 It's crazy.

00:39:47.000 It really is.

00:39:47.000 So we put the hard yards in.

00:39:49.000 And, you know, obviously, to have a style like that, like you said...

00:39:52.000 You know, you've got to put the work in.

00:39:53.000 But again, as you were saying, like, you know, obviously, they're not just touching.

00:39:57.000 Like, there's a lot of big shots.

00:39:58.000 But, you know, I always try and break the rhythm.

00:40:00.000 So a lot of times I am, you know, there will be a couple of touches and then a couple of sendings right through.

00:40:04.000 And I just try and mix it up really well.

00:40:06.000 And I think that worked really well with Max.

00:40:08.000 Obviously, it gets real deep, but I won't get a – there might be a rematch, so I can't give too much away.

00:40:13.000 Right.

00:40:14.000 Well, you could give away this.

00:40:15.000 What was the game plan coming into that fight and was anything unusual for you?

00:40:19.000 Like when you actually wound up fighting Max, was there anything once you were actually in the octagon with him?

00:40:24.000 Was there anything unusual?

00:40:26.000 Everything pretty much went to how we thought it was going to go.

00:40:30.000 He made adjustments.

00:40:32.000 During that fight, we both were adjusting.

00:40:34.000 So, you know, I don't know if many people would have seen it.

00:40:36.000 But even when it comes to just the way, like, you know, I'll go and then he'll try and counter and then he'll be like, pretend to counter, then pull back, then counter, you know what I mean?

00:40:43.000 We'll sort of just have these little battles.

00:40:45.000 But always leg kicks were going to be a big part, not just to hurt his leg, but just to really break his rhythm and, you know, and make him, you know, obviously he loves that jab.

00:40:54.000 And he stays pretty heavy on that front leg.

00:40:58.000 Whether that's making him adjust his stance and just putting him in a position that he's not comfortable with.

00:41:04.000 He's been fighting forever in this style and it's been so effective for him.

00:41:09.000 Him even being a couple of inches back so he's not so heavy on that front leg.

00:41:13.000 That just throws his whole rhythm up, you know what I mean?

00:41:15.000 And that's why a lot of people, it's funny, a lot of people are going to go, oh, he's going to make adjustments and he's going to check the kicks and all that.

00:41:20.000 But you've got to remember, he's a volume fighter.

00:41:23.000 If he starts adjusting so much, you know what I mean, starts worrying about all that, then he can't stick to a game that's been so successful for himself.

00:41:30.000 So I don't know.

00:41:32.000 I'm expecting the same thing.

00:41:33.000 I'm expecting to go out there and do my thing.

00:41:35.000 But again, we'll mix it up, but I can't give too much away.

00:41:38.000 You saw some adjustments where he switched to Southpaw.

00:41:40.000 Did you guys anticipate that as well?

00:41:41.000 Yeah, we anticipated that.

00:41:44.000 Again, you're going to smack the leg that many times, I'm sure.

00:41:48.000 But again, even though he does switch stances a lot, so we were ready for that.

00:41:54.000 But for him to actually do the whole round in Southpaw, I think that was a third round or later in the second he sort of switched.

00:42:00.000 But in the third, he was like southpaw for a while, and that was probably my biggest round.

00:42:04.000 That's where he copped a lot, so then he tried to come back to orthodox.

00:42:07.000 But again, I'm so good at playing what's in front of me, so he did make adjustments and I adjusted again.

00:42:14.000 Again, I think that goes back to training with so many different bodies and styles.

00:42:18.000 No surprises come fight time.

00:42:20.000 That's how I look at it. 0.54

00:42:21.000 Yeah, I mean you guys have a crazy, crazy team.

00:42:24.000 You really stop and think about it.

00:42:25.000 You know, Dan Hooker, Israel Adesanya, and you just alone.

00:42:29.000 And I'm sure you guys got a bunch of killers coming up, right?

00:42:31.000 I'm telling you there's some guys in you go there and you train and there's guys that do it as a hobby.

00:42:36.000 They just train there as a hobby and they could be in the UFC. I'm sure.

00:42:41.000 It's a blowout.

00:42:41.000 There's always guys like that.

00:42:43.000 There's always those guys in gyms.

00:42:46.000 In jujitsu there's always a guy like why aren't you competing?

00:42:50.000 You roll with them and they're like elite black belts.

00:42:54.000 There's always these guys that just really love it but they don't feel like doing it for a living.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, man.

00:42:58.000 It's a blowout.

00:42:59.000 Again, I've trained with a lot of people and I'll go there and I'll have this guy that hasn't even had an amateur fight and he's giving me problems.

00:43:06.000 And you're like, what's going on here?

00:43:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:08.000 That's crazy.

00:43:09.000 But it's cool.

00:43:10.000 But that's what makes a great gym, right?

00:43:12.000 I mean, it's not just the main stars.

00:43:14.000 It's all the supporting talent that you have in the gym as well.

00:43:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:18.000 Well, that's, again, no one's, you know, even in our gym, you know, we've got a couple of guys, even amateurs, that fight, you know, we're all treated the same, you know what I mean?

00:43:24.000 When it's fight time, if they're doing that spider workout, everyone's here, you know, even when you're at City Kickboxing or at our gym, like, you know, the champions will still be there supporting the other guys that are doing their spider, you know what I mean?

00:43:36.000 So everyone's, it's just one big family sort of feel, and, like, again, we're obviously a freestyle fighting gym, but we've been welcomed as a part of the family, and it's, I think that's a big part of why they were so successful as well.

00:43:49.000 Just that sort of team camaraderie, you know what I mean?

00:43:52.000 For sure.

00:43:52.000 When you see it when one of you guys fights, everyone's there to support.

00:43:56.000 It's a big factor.

00:43:58.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:43:59.000 Again, I just think it's working well.

00:44:02.000 We're doing good things.

00:44:03.000 I think they're 4-0.

00:44:05.000 You see the kickballs at 4-0 at the moment.

00:44:07.000 We'll just keep getting them wins up.

00:44:09.000 What did you think about Adesanya versus Yoel Romero?

00:44:13.000 Yeah.

00:44:13.000 Yeah, it's a tricky one, you know what I mean?

00:44:15.000 So obviously a lot of people are knocking it and obviously it wasn't the most, you know, it wasn't so many exchanges and stuff like that.

00:44:23.000 But I guess you've got to look at why that happened.

00:44:26.000 And I think Joel, you know, obviously was just standing there waiting for Izzy to come in.

00:44:31.000 Every time Izzy did commit to something, he'd just come out.

00:44:35.000 Like he literally was going to wait till you come in and I'm just going to throw bombs.

00:44:39.000 Obviously Izzy knows that.

00:44:41.000 So he's trying to touch him, trying to get him to react, and waiting for him to explode and things that just didn't happen.

00:44:46.000 It's just a tricky one, man.

00:44:48.000 A lot of people are going to say whatever, but you're never in there.

00:44:51.000 You don't really know what it feels like until you're actually in there.

00:44:53.000 And someone like Romero, he can take your head off like that, you know what I mean?

00:44:56.000 Yeah, I didn't like the criticism of it.

00:44:58.000 There's not much else Adesanya could have done.

00:45:01.000 And Yoel, I mean, I guess he's...

00:45:05.000 He's selling that Izzy didn't do anything, that he wouldn't fight him man to man.

00:45:09.000 But that's not true.

00:45:10.000 Yeah.

00:45:10.000 Because he didn't come forward.

00:45:12.000 Yeah.

00:45:12.000 Like, he's selling as if he was chasing Izzy, and Izzy wasn't doing anything.

00:45:17.000 But that's not what happened.

00:45:18.000 Exactly right.

00:45:18.000 Like, Izzy was trying to get him to engage, and he didn't want to engage.

00:45:21.000 He was literally standing there at the beginning of the fight, standing still.

00:45:25.000 Yeah, man.

00:45:26.000 Which is kind of crazy.

00:45:27.000 It was like a solid minute or something, or more?

00:45:29.000 Standing still.

00:45:29.000 And then he would switch stances a little bit.

00:45:31.000 True, true.

00:45:32.000 Yep.

00:45:32.000 Stand still.

00:45:33.000 But he's lulling you to sleep.

00:45:36.000 And you saw that when he did land a couple good left hands.

00:45:40.000 When Izzy did try to connect.

00:45:42.000 When he did try to get close.

00:45:44.000 Bought into it a little bit. 1.00

00:45:46.000 And Yoel threw that fucking left hand. 0.99

00:45:48.000 It's crazy how fast that guy is. 1.00

00:45:50.000 Yeah, man.

00:45:51.000 So again, you can sense that as soon as I do commit to anything, he's just going to come guns blazing.

00:45:58.000 So obviously...

00:46:00.000 You know, fair enough.

00:46:00.000 Obviously, there's going to be a lot more opportunities if he started trying to do stuff as well.

00:46:04.000 But the fact that he'd done nothing till he was just ready to explode, it makes things how it is, you know what I mean?

00:46:10.000 Again, if you want to fight smart, if you're trying to fight smart as well.

00:46:13.000 And he should fight smart, and I think he did fight smart.

00:46:15.000 I think he did.

00:46:16.000 I mean, this is what fighting is all about.

00:46:18.000 Some fights, like...

00:46:20.000 Zhang Weili and Ioannion Jacek is super, super exciting.

00:46:24.000 But that's styles.

00:46:26.000 Those styles matched up.

00:46:27.000 I mean, not every fight is super exciting.

00:46:30.000 Robert Whitaker fought Yoel in a very exciting way, but, I mean, that's a bad way to fight with that guy.

00:46:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:36.000 Yoel's a fucking beast, man. 1.00

00:46:39.000 Even just hitting him, I reckon he's throwing the leg kicks. 1.00

00:46:43.000 Obviously, that would have been hurting Romero, but it's probably hurting yourself kicking him, you know what I mean?

00:46:48.000 He's just solid rock.

00:46:49.000 He's a solid dude.

00:46:49.000 You could imagine throwing stuff and hitting just a brick.

00:46:52.000 Well, that's what Rockhold said.

00:46:53.000 He said every time he hit him, it hurt him.

00:46:55.000 Well, there you go. 0.97

00:46:57.000 He's a freak, man. 1.00

00:46:58.000 And the fact that he's 42, it's like, what in the fuck, man? 1.00

00:47:02.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:47:02.000 Absolutely crazy. 1.00

00:47:03.000 I really felt like that was how Izzy had to fight him.

00:47:06.000 I really didn't think that he could fight him any other way.

00:47:08.000 I mean, I expected that.

00:47:10.000 Use his length. 0.93

00:47:11.000 Use his reach.

00:47:11.000 Use his attributes.

00:47:12.000 Stay on the outside.

00:47:14.000 He's a higher level kickboxer.

00:47:16.000 Use that.

00:47:17.000 And try to lure him into attacking and counter those attacks.

00:47:22.000 But it's one of those things where it's like...

00:47:25.000 If you see, like, when Tyron Woodley fought Wonderboy, kind of the same thing.

00:47:30.000 A lot of people were saying, oh, those are boring fights.

00:47:33.000 Well, that's how you have to fight that guy.

00:47:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:35.000 That's how you fight him.

00:47:36.000 You wait on him.

00:47:37.000 And you've got to remember, you know what I mean?

00:47:39.000 Like, obviously, oh, let's just go out there and let's just be, you know, really exciting.

00:47:41.000 But you lose, everyone forgets about you as well.

00:47:43.000 Everyone forgets about you.

00:47:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:45.000 So you've got to have that sort of, especially if you're champion, you've got to fight the fight that's going to get you to win.

00:47:49.000 And you only have so many holes that can get punched in your card, right?

00:47:53.000 Those punch holes are valuable.

00:47:55.000 And you let yourself get cracked when you didn't have to.

00:47:58.000 There's no need for that.

00:47:59.000 You should always fight smart.

00:48:01.000 It's dangerous enough to fight smart.

00:48:04.000 Hit and not get hit, you know?

00:48:07.000 That's how I believe as well.

00:48:09.000 It's just styles.

00:48:10.000 It's just styles.

00:48:11.000 The way styles match up.

00:48:12.000 Like, here's another example.

00:48:14.000 Paulo Costa. 0.98

00:48:15.000 Paulo Costa and him, that stylistically is going to be fucking crazy. 0.83

00:48:19.000 Because that guy, that guy fought Romero the way Romero wanted someone to fight him. 0.99

00:48:24.000 And he still fucked him up. 0.99

00:48:25.000 He didn't fuck him up. 0.99

00:48:26.000 I shouldn't say that. 0.99

00:48:27.000 He still won.

00:48:28.000 And even whether or not he won was...

00:48:32.000 You know, close.

00:48:33.000 Very close fight.

00:48:34.000 Some people saw it the other way.

00:48:36.000 But, I mean, he hit Romero with everything but the kitchen sink.

00:48:39.000 There's a picture that I put on my Instagram of him head-kicking Romero. 0.99

00:48:43.000 I mean, it's fucking clean. 0.98

00:48:46.000 And Costa's a knockout artist, and he's shinning him right upside the head. 0.99

00:48:52.000 Doesn't even budge.

00:48:53.000 He's not even moving.

00:48:54.000 Well, Romero has a huge scar down the back of his neck.

00:48:59.000 And I think his neck is fused, and I think that's part of one of the reasons why he kind of moves funny.

00:49:06.000 Okay, yeah.

00:49:07.000 Like, look at this.

00:49:07.000 Look at this photo.

00:49:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:09.000 I mean, bro.

00:49:10.000 It even looks like he's went into that as well.

00:49:12.000 Oh, I mean, it looks like he's ducking into it.

00:49:14.000 He's catching it right in the face, and nothing happened.

00:49:19.000 That's a big dude kicking in the head, too.

00:49:21.000 His neck, there's a big scar.

00:49:25.000 It's really big.

00:49:26.000 I've never seen a neck surgery scar that's that large.

00:49:29.000 And he said he almost died.

00:49:33.000 He said he had some sort of serious neck injury. 0.99

00:49:36.000 When you're a silver medalist in the Olympics in the Cuban national team, the fucking wrestling practices those guys must have, the wrestling... 0.95

00:49:45.000 The actual matches that he's had, I'm sure the wear and tear on the body is unbelievable. 0.97

00:49:50.000 100%.

00:49:50.000 I reckon wrestling is going to be one of the hardest sports.

00:49:53.000 It's one of the hardest.

00:49:54.000 Man, by far.

00:49:56.000 You obviously do an MMA, you've got to do a lot of wrestling.

00:49:59.000 Just seeing them scramble, there's nothing like a scramble.

00:50:02.000 To see the scrambles they have to train for, imagine the training you've got to do to be able to just do a two-minute scramble or something like that.

00:50:10.000 It's just crazy.

00:50:12.000 Yeah, and the test of wills.

00:50:14.000 They relish in being uncomfortable in a lot of ways.

00:50:18.000 Exactly right.

00:50:19.000 They enjoy it. 1.00

00:50:20.000 They like being really fucked up and uncomfortable. 0.99

00:50:23.000 Well, that's a big part of our... 0.99

00:50:25.000 You've got to be comfortable...

00:50:27.000 When things get uncomfortable, I could have worded that better, but that's something that I'm all about.

00:50:32.000 I put myself in uncomfortable positions in the gym, day in, day out.

00:50:37.000 Obviously, you're going to have structure to how you train in a week, but I put myself there and then how do you adapt to that?

00:50:43.000 How do you How do you sort of go from there?

00:50:45.000 So that's what, again, with that spider workout, that's what you're meant to do.

00:50:48.000 You are going to go to breaking point.

00:50:50.000 We put you there.

00:50:51.000 And I'll be in that position, but are you going to shy away from it?

00:50:54.000 Or are you just going to get up and just do whatever you can?

00:50:56.000 It might not be the best because you literally can't move.

00:50:58.000 But it's how do you adapt to that sort of position of being in such an uncomfortable position.

00:51:03.000 So if it gets there, you're always going to be able to at least push yourself, at least get you to whatever you need to do to win.

00:51:11.000 That's where a great team and a great coach comes in handy.

00:51:14.000 That's where it really comes into play because a fighter, especially some fighters, they want to be the hammer all the time.

00:51:21.000 They don't want to be the nail.

00:51:22.000 They want to be dominating in practice. 0.99

00:51:25.000 They don't want to feel like they're getting smothered and swarmed and they don't want to fuck with their confidence. 0.99

00:51:31.000 But you have to trust in that process. 0.99

00:51:33.000 You have to.

00:51:34.000 And there's many, many fighters who don't.

00:51:36.000 They train with guys who are not as good as them and everything goes great until it doesn't go great.

00:51:41.000 And then they're not used to that position.

00:51:43.000 Exactly right.

00:51:44.000 So I think I've always done that.

00:51:46.000 I've always been, even from the first day of doing MMA. You know what I mean?

00:51:50.000 I'm the type of person, when you're always doing that, when you're always...

00:51:55.000 Like, putting yourself in uncomfortable positions and then, you know, you always got to figure ways out.

00:51:59.000 So if I'm first in heavyweights, because that's the type of guy, I'll train with heavyweights, and you'll be losing, but, you know, you can just sit there and accept that, oh, I'm going to find a way to get up.

00:52:07.000 And you're constantly doing that over the 10 years you're training.

00:52:11.000 You know, that's where a lot of people are like, you know, how the hell are you so fit and all that sort of stuff.

00:52:14.000 I think it's just through so many years of putting myself in uncomfortable positions that When training does get tough, I'm still going to go.

00:52:22.000 I'm still going to push myself.

00:52:23.000 I'm not going to shy away from it.

00:52:24.000 It'll make me who I am today.

00:52:27.000 I just think there's such a value in being able to deal with uncomfortable positions.

00:52:38.000 There's a lot of really talented, really, really good guys who don't do that. 0.99

00:52:42.000 But I think if the shit gets ugly, you're used to it. 0.99

00:52:47.000 Well, you see it. 1.00

00:52:48.000 You see it in a lot of fights where people obviously get uncomfortable and it goes downhill for them.

00:52:54.000 You see people mentally break.

00:52:57.000 It's such a crazy sport, man.

00:52:59.000 Do you have a mental coach? 0.81

00:53:02.000 I don't.

00:53:03.000 I actually don't have a mental coach.

00:53:05.000 I think it's something that I could definitely invest in and look into because, again, this is, as they say, you know, there's so much mental in this and it really is physically and mentally draining.

00:53:16.000 But I think I'm really good in them situations, to be quite honest, you know what I mean?

00:53:21.000 But obviously I can be better.

00:53:23.000 I don't get nervous before fights at all.

00:53:26.000 I get more nervous when my teammates are fighting and all that.

00:53:29.000 I'll get nervous.

00:53:30.000 But when I'm fighting, I'm me.

00:53:32.000 I really am.

00:53:33.000 I'm sweet.

00:53:33.000 I'm having a laugh with the coaches and the boys.

00:53:36.000 We even have people that work with the UFC and be like, with my max fight, and they're like, do you realize you're about to fight for a world title?

00:53:43.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, you're all good.

00:53:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:44.000 That's just how I am.

00:53:45.000 I'm pretty chill in their positions.

00:53:46.000 It was an actual funny story.

00:53:48.000 Not really funny, but it was a...

00:53:50.000 Cool.

00:53:50.000 It was something that he actually mentioned, it was bisping.

00:53:53.000 So I ended up doing a, had a chat with him and I had pink headphones.

00:53:56.000 So that's like I had to wear them like when I'd done like an interview with him.

00:54:00.000 And so while I was there waiting to walk out, he needed to go to the toilet in between, you know, a break in between the fights.

00:54:07.000 And he stopped and he was like, oh, I felt a bit awkward because he's thinking, oh, I'm ruining this guy's mojo.

00:54:11.000 He's about to, you know, walk out.

00:54:13.000 And I'm like, oh, you're all good.

00:54:15.000 Go to the toilet.

00:54:15.000 And he starts going and they're still trying to stay out of my way.

00:54:17.000 I'm like, oh, no, pink headphones.

00:54:18.000 I'm just having a little laugh.

00:54:19.000 And he just had a laugh back.

00:54:21.000 And I remember on his podcast, he was talking about how, you know, like just the fact that I was able to be so chill and I'm about to walk out for my title fight.

00:54:30.000 And that's just who I am.

00:54:32.000 I just adapt to...

00:54:34.000 Every situation, I feel like I'm pretty good in these situations.

00:54:36.000 So I don't know if I need one, but I think I should still invest in mine.

00:54:39.000 It's probably a good idea just to have one just to take it to another level.

00:54:42.000 Exactly right.

00:54:43.000 Exactly right.

00:54:44.000 I think you can, because I feel like I can do all right, but maybe there's so many things that we don't know.

00:54:49.000 And I think that that could help a lot.

00:54:52.000 So I'll look into that.

00:54:53.000 Look into it.

00:54:54.000 I'll look into it.

00:54:55.000 Will you like that?

00:54:56.000 Look at his shirt.

00:54:57.000 I looked into it.

00:54:58.000 Oh, look at that.

00:54:59.000 I did that on purpose.

00:55:02.000 Were you like that in your first couple of fights?

00:55:05.000 Nah, I wouldn't say I was a...

00:55:07.000 I think, again, when I was fighting, I would always try and keep myself level.

00:55:13.000 I'm always doing that, no matter whether I'm going in the interviews or whatever it is.

00:55:17.000 Say if I'm about to fight, I'm just like, relax, relax.

00:55:21.000 Don't let it take over you, the nerves or whatever it is, or the anger.

00:55:25.000 Some people get hyped up.

00:55:26.000 I want to be level-headed.

00:55:28.000 I've got a game plan to stick to, so I've always done that.

00:55:31.000 And because I've always done that in my fights, And in all situations, I really am level when I fight.

00:55:39.000 So sometimes it was hard for me to realize I won a world title because I'm so used to keeping myself so composed that it was like it didn't happen.

00:55:47.000 I won the world title.

00:55:48.000 There's a video of me backstage, and I'm looking at the ball.

00:55:51.000 I'm like, far out.

00:55:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:54.000 I even say something like that. 1.00

00:55:57.000 I'm like, you're the fucking champ. 1.00

00:55:58.000 Wake up. 1.00

00:55:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:56:00.000 It's crazy.

00:56:01.000 Be excited.

00:56:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:56:02.000 I'm just in there still walking around just like nothing happens.

00:56:05.000 That's probably a good way to be.

00:56:06.000 It is.

00:56:07.000 It does help me in my fights.

00:56:08.000 It really does.

00:56:08.000 And that's how you can stick to a game plan when you're so composed and level-headed in there.

00:56:12.000 So I believe it works for me.

00:56:15.000 But yeah, again, I wish I could be more excited about being a champ though.

00:56:21.000 Maybe it's not a bad thing.

00:56:23.000 Maybe it's great to keep this mindset throughout your entire career. 0.99

00:56:27.000 Maybe when you retire, you can go, holy fuck, what did I do? 0.99

00:56:32.000 I liked the Vegas trip. 1.00

00:56:34.000 That's what it was.

00:56:34.000 I was like, what the hell did I do the last couple of days?

00:56:37.000 That's a little different.

00:56:39.000 So you say you hunt.

00:56:41.000 Is it wild game?

00:56:42.000 Is that a part of your diet?

00:56:43.000 Is that a big part of your diet?

00:56:44.000 Yeah, obviously I like to eat that.

00:56:47.000 I love all that type of stuff.

00:56:48.000 I've done it from a young age with my dad.

00:56:50.000 We used to You know, even go hunting for goat and pigs and stuff like that.

00:56:56.000 We'll even get the spit going while we're over there.

00:56:59.000 We have to turn it with our hands.

00:57:01.000 Old school.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, to be honest, when I'm in camp, I can't get out there and stuff like that.

00:57:08.000 But I'm all for it.

00:57:10.000 I love it.

00:57:10.000 I watch a lot of you and always see you with your gaming meats and all that.

00:57:14.000 I love that type of stuff.

00:57:15.000 It's my favorite food.

00:57:17.000 I love it.

00:57:17.000 What's your favorite meat?

00:57:18.000 Elk.

00:57:19.000 Elk, yeah?

00:57:20.000 I've never got to taste any of them.

00:57:22.000 I wish you around, I'd give you some.

00:57:24.000 I mean, if you were in town, I'd give you some if you could cook it.

00:57:27.000 Well, sometimes we go, when I fight in America, there's a lot of places that will have this type of stuff.

00:57:31.000 I'm always in fight camp.

00:57:33.000 You know what's hilarious?

00:57:33.000 Fight weak.

00:57:34.000 If you get it, if you're an American, you get it at a restaurant, it comes from New Zealand.

00:57:38.000 Oh, really?

00:57:39.000 Yeah.

00:57:40.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:57:41.000 That's crazy.

00:57:41.000 Yeah, because they farm it.

00:57:43.000 They farm it.

00:57:44.000 Like, you can't sell wild game in America.

00:57:47.000 You can't sell it.

00:57:49.000 That's one of the reasons why it almost went extinct.

00:57:52.000 Elk, deer, all these animals almost went extinct at the turn of the century, the 20th century, because they did what's called market hunting, when there was no refrigerators back then. 0.58

00:58:02.000 They just fucking shot everything and just served it to people. 0.92

00:58:05.000 They didn't think about conservation at all. 0.99

00:58:07.000 So they got white-tailed deer down to a really low number.

00:58:11.000 Elk were down to a really low number.

00:58:12.000 They extirpated it from many, many states where it used to be a game animal in many, many states.

00:58:18.000 It's not there anymore.

00:58:20.000 Far out.

00:58:21.000 I think it's something crazy.

00:58:23.000 It's only in 10 to 20 percent of its native range where it used to be.

00:58:31.000 But they're very healthy populations in those states now.

00:58:34.000 Colorado's very healthy.

00:58:35.000 Montana, Wyoming, Idaho.

00:58:37.000 Utah is where I go every year.

00:58:39.000 It's delicious meat, though.

00:58:41.000 Yeah, that's somewhere in Idaho.

00:58:43.000 Boise's in Idaho, isn't it?

00:58:45.000 Yeah.

00:58:45.000 Yeah, because I fought there.

00:58:46.000 And I wanted to go and explore because I knew there was a lot of big hunting over there.

00:58:51.000 So I was like, I want to at least go for a drive and see if I could see any deer or elk or whatever it was, but I didn't get a chance to do that.

00:58:57.000 I know it's got grizzlies.

00:58:58.000 Oh, grizzlies?

00:58:59.000 Big.

00:59:00.000 Oh, I'll stay in the car if I was going to do that then.

00:59:01.000 Big bears.

00:59:03.000 Idaho's got bears.

00:59:03.000 I have friends that hunt in Idaho and they get real nervous when they shoot something.

00:59:07.000 Oh, okay.

00:59:08.000 Because they have wolves too.

00:59:09.000 Wolves and grizzlies.

00:59:10.000 I didn't think of that.

00:59:11.000 Yeah, if you shoot, and Wyoming does as well.

00:59:13.000 If you shoot an elk, and so does Montana, but if you shoot an elk in any of those states that have grizzlies, it's very dangerous.

00:59:19.000 Because usually it takes a couple trips to pack it out.

00:59:22.000 So if you shoot an elk, an elk is probably 800-900 pounds.

00:59:27.000 And you're not going to carry it all out.

00:59:30.000 It's like you and your friend, if you pack it out...

00:59:33.000 Unless you have some four-wheel drive vehicle that can get back to it or you have horses.

00:59:38.000 A lot of times they use horses.

00:59:40.000 Hunters use horses to pack out meat.

00:59:42.000 They'll have a whole train of horses, like five or six horses.

00:59:46.000 They'll take the pack, put all the meat, distribute it evenly on the horses and get out of there in one trip.

00:59:52.000 Because if not...

00:59:53.000 Then you gotta go back.

00:59:54.000 There's a lot of meat scent rolling around there. 1.00

00:59:57.000 You gotta hope that motherfucker doesn't smell it. 0.99

00:59:59.000 Because if they smell it, they claim it. 1.00

01:00:01.000 I have a buddy of mine who killed an elk and they came back to the carcass and it was buried.

01:00:05.000 Oh, really? 0.99

01:00:05.000 Fucking that happened to Adam Greentree. 0.99

01:00:08.000 Didn't he say that on his... 0.99

01:00:10.000 I think he saved it on his Instagram page.

01:00:13.000 He shot an elk.

01:00:14.000 I want to say...

01:00:16.000 It was buried?

01:00:16.000 Yes.

01:00:17.000 A grizzly came and buried it.

01:00:18.000 So that's what they do?

01:00:19.000 They dig a hole and they bury it?

01:00:20.000 They bury it.

01:00:20.000 They decide it's theirs.

01:00:22.000 Well, for them digging, holy shit. 0.99

01:00:24.000 It's like us crumpling up a piece of paper. 1.00

01:00:28.000 They just covered this fucking elk carcass. 1.00

01:00:31.000 Here it is. 1.00

01:00:32.000 Where was he at?

01:00:34.000 Does it say?

01:00:36.000 Give me some volume on this.

01:00:39.000 Oh, it's a moose.

01:00:42.000 Oh, this is Alaska.

01:00:45.000 It's a blowout, man.

01:00:47.000 Yeah.

01:00:49.000 Refresh this so we can hear all the words.

01:00:51.000 Is it a good idea to go back there now that you know it's been back?

01:00:53.000 No!

01:00:53.000 That's a terrible idea!

01:00:55.000 You buried the whole moose.

01:00:57.000 Far out.

01:00:59.000 The whole moose is buried.

01:01:00.000 Is that your moose under there?

01:01:01.000 Yeah, that's my moose under there.

01:01:03.000 Buried.

01:01:03.000 Yeah.

01:01:05.000 Might be shitting myself right now. 0.93

01:01:07.000 You got the other guy? 0.93

01:01:10.000 I don't like this.

01:01:15.000 See, the other problem is that grass.

01:01:18.000 Look at the grass.

01:01:18.000 That grass is like five feet high.

01:01:20.000 You can't even see the motherfucker if it's coming. 0.99

01:01:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:01:22.000 That's what's scary. 1.00

01:01:23.000 That thing could have been 30 yards away, just watching them walk up on the shit. 0.99

01:01:28.000 That's a pretty shitty position they're in right now. 0.99

01:01:31.000 Yeah, so he got most of the meat out of there, but the bear had taken some of it.

01:01:35.000 But they had to dig it up and...

01:01:37.000 Far out.

01:01:38.000 Yeah.

01:01:39.000 Mate, that's scary.

01:01:40.000 Oh, so scary.

01:01:42.000 Even crocodiles, at least you sort of know to stay away from the water or something.

01:01:46.000 Exactly.

01:01:47.000 Yeah.

01:01:48.000 Well, the problem is it had decided that that moose was his.

01:01:52.000 You know?

01:01:54.000 And they're all over.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, they're all over. 1.00

01:01:58.000 It's a big fucking animal, man. 1.00

01:02:00.000 Is that another video? 1.00

01:02:01.000 Is it two videos?

01:02:02.000 What's this?

01:02:04.000 Them trying to get it out of there?

01:02:06.000 Man, I would have already been gone.

01:02:08.000 Take the hit, let's just go.

01:02:11.000 Ah, you want that meat though. 1.00

01:02:13.000 Yeah, fuck moose under here, all the cut up meat that we've got. 1.00

01:02:19.000 Oh, I get you. 1.00

01:02:20.000 So they've already cut it all up and had it in bags.

01:02:22.000 So there's what I was saying.

01:02:23.000 They cut it up and they were carrying it out one step at a time.

01:02:28.000 So say if you and I shot a moose and we were out there, we both put like 100 pounds on our back and we'd hike out.

01:02:34.000 And everything would be, all the meat would be already packed up and stuff.

01:02:39.000 Yes.

01:02:39.000 So they cut it, they put it in these game bags and then they let it sit there.

01:02:46.000 I've seen that a bit on meat eaters.

01:02:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:48.000 So when they went back, it had all been buried.

01:02:53.000 It's a scary situation to be in. 0.99

01:02:55.000 Obviously, we've got a lot of snakes and all that, so that's why a lot of people are going, fuck Australia, you go there. 0.99

01:03:01.000 It's weird. 0.98

01:03:02.000 There are a lot of snakes and spiders and stuff like that, but even that mate that I talked to you about, the spear fisherman, he's like a Steve Irwin.

01:03:13.000 He's just...

01:03:15.000 Everything.

01:03:16.000 Everything he does, I've seen him run, he was on like a swing, jumped off and then realized there was an octopus in the water.

01:03:24.000 Just goes there, jumps in, dives in, somehow, just don't even know how you catch it.

01:03:29.000 Goes in, boom, pulls this big octopus out.

01:03:31.000 And just situations like that, man, I've seen him even other times with walking.

01:03:35.000 You see a lizard jump in the water.

01:03:37.000 He's just dived in.

01:03:38.000 His head and arm goes in, boom, pulls out this big lizard.

01:03:42.000 Just crazy things like that.

01:03:44.000 He's just connected to the wildlife.

01:03:46.000 So then, obviously, with snakes and all that sort of stuff, and he's catching the snakes. 0.99

01:03:49.000 Octopus will fuck you up, too, man. 0.99

01:03:50.000 They have that beak. 1.00

01:03:51.000 They scare me, man.

01:03:53.000 They should.

01:03:53.000 They scare me, yeah.

01:03:54.000 Even just them sticking to you, I feel like... 1.00

01:03:56.000 Plus, they're smart as shit. 0.99

01:03:58.000 They're real smart. 0.99

01:03:59.000 I've seen some mad videos of them.

01:04:00.000 But they only live a couple of years.

01:04:03.000 Yeah, I think an octopus is life.

01:04:05.000 How long?

01:04:06.000 Jamie Shigginson?

01:04:07.000 It's like max two years.

01:04:08.000 Maybe average about a year, maybe average two.

01:04:12.000 That's why they don't take over the world.

01:04:14.000 Because they're like two-year-old babies. 1.00

01:04:16.000 But they're fucking smart as shit, man. 1.00

01:04:17.000 They figure out how to open up jars and shit. 1.00

01:04:19.000 They can spin jars. 0.99

01:04:20.000 I've watched them videos.

01:04:21.000 They obviously know their size, so they put a tentacle through.

01:04:24.000 And they're like, oh yeah, I can fit through that.

01:04:26.000 It's like this.

01:04:26.000 And the big octopus is like that.

01:04:28.000 And they compress.

01:04:29.000 As long as the beak can go through, the whole body can go through.

01:04:32.000 Yeah.

01:04:32.000 And you watch them do that and you're like, what?

01:04:34.000 Yeah. 0.74

01:04:34.000 Crazy. 0.74

01:04:35.000 Three to five, it says giant Pacific octopus.

01:04:38.000 That's crazy.

01:04:38.000 Giant octopus, three to five years, and then die of old age.

01:04:41.000 Small octopus is scary.

01:04:42.000 And they're delicious.

01:04:43.000 Yes, they are.

01:04:44.000 I used to feel bad that I was eating them, but then I found out they only lived five years.

01:04:48.000 I'm like, what am I, cutting a year out of your life? 1.00

01:04:50.000 Shit. 1.00

01:04:53.000 Obviously in the wild in Australia, we've seen some pretty crazy things. 1.00

01:04:58.000 As you know, the hunting stories are always some crazy stories.

01:05:02.000 Well, you have a crazy place too because so much of your wildlife is invasive.

01:05:06.000 So much of your wildlife has been introduced because the people that put your ancestors there, they decided they were trying to turn that place into some wild hunting habitat.

01:05:16.000 So they brought over stags and red deer and all these animals that thrive over there.

01:05:21.000 They're all invasive species.

01:05:23.000 Yeah, man.

01:05:24.000 We've got, oh, mate, the deer, they're everywhere now.

01:05:26.000 So where I live is on the beach coastline there, and we've got mountains, and they're just deer everywhere.

01:05:32.000 They just walk in people's yards and stuff like that, and I've seen the photos of them on the beaches and stuff like that.

01:05:39.000 Well, it's good if you need meat.

01:05:41.000 Yeah, exactly, yeah.

01:05:42.000 Like my friend Adam.

01:05:43.000 I mean, all he eats is wild game and you can hunt in so many different places over there.

01:05:48.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:05:49.000 And they treat them like a red deer over there.

01:05:52.000 It's like a rodent or a pest.

01:05:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:55.000 So many of them.

01:05:55.000 That's what I mean.

01:05:56.000 The deers, especially where we are, they're just thousands of them or millions of them.

01:06:00.000 They're just everywhere.

01:06:01.000 Everywhere.

01:06:01.000 You go there and just any open paddock in the afternoon and you'll see herds of them.

01:06:07.000 New Zealand's the same way, right?

01:06:08.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:06:09.000 They brought in all those animals and just left them there, and now there's no predators. 0.98

01:06:13.000 Luckily, there's no predators, but they did fuck up in Australia and bring over some predators. 0.91

01:06:17.000 They brought over cats, and wild cats in Australia are a big problem. 0.99

01:06:21.000 They kill everything.

01:06:22.000 They've devastated ground-nesting birds and all sorts of different wildlife.

01:06:27.000 And it's one of the weirder things about bow hunting in Australia is that they'll hold up cats like something they killed.

01:06:36.000 So they'll take a house cat. 0.98

01:06:38.000 They're holding up a house cat and smile.

01:06:40.000 Like, look, I got him. 1.00

01:06:41.000 And they're like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:06:42.000 The same way people would hear with a coyote. 1.00

01:06:45.000 Hunters kill as many coyotes as they can over here because coyotes kill fucking cats and dogs and they kill chickens. 1.00

01:06:53.000 They've killed all my fucking chickens. 1.00

01:06:55.000 I had a bunch of chickens. 1.00

01:06:56.000 They killed nine of them at one time.

01:06:58.000 They killed them slowly and then they got them all at once.

01:07:01.000 We had a fire out here and the fire burnt down my chicken coop so I had to put them in a smaller chicken coop and the coyotes tore open the chicken coop and killed my nine remaining chickens all in one night. 0.99

01:07:11.000 Fucking feathers everywhere. 1.00

01:07:13.000 Oh, they're monsters. 1.00

01:07:14.000 They're clever. 0.95

01:07:15.000 They're really interesting animals.

01:07:17.000 Okay, yeah. 1.00

01:07:17.000 I mean, part of me admires them because they're really smart little fuckers. 1.00

01:07:21.000 They're really smart. 1.00

01:07:22.000 And they're sneaky.

01:07:23.000 Like, they'll trick a dog into chasing after them, and then a couple other coyotes will be waiting, and they'll jump the dog and kill it.

01:07:29.000 Oh, really?

01:07:30.000 Yeah.

01:07:30.000 Far out.

01:07:31.000 Yeah.

01:07:32.000 It's crazy.

01:07:32.000 What is this here?

01:07:33.000 Australia is deadly serious about killing millions of cats.

01:07:36.000 See? 1.00

01:07:36.000 Look at that guy holding a fucking cat. 1.00

01:07:40.000 Feral felines are driving the country's native species to extinction. 1.00

01:07:43.000 Now a massive culling is underway to preserve what's left of the wild.

01:07:47.000 Someone who didn't understand wildlife introduced cats there to deal with other small animals.

01:07:54.000 Because I think they had brought something else over there that was causing problems.

01:08:00.000 I think rabbits.

01:08:01.000 I think that's what it was. 0.99

01:08:02.000 I think they brought rabbits over there, and the rabbits were fucking everything up. 0.97

01:08:05.000 So like, hmm, what can we do? 0.89

01:08:06.000 Rabbits are eating all those vegetables.

01:08:08.000 Oh, we'll bring cats.

01:08:09.000 They'll fix it.

01:08:09.000 And they just created a mess.

01:08:11.000 So they literally would like all wild cats to be extinct.

01:08:15.000 Yeah, you do see a fair bit of them out there.

01:08:18.000 Yeah.

01:08:19.000 Well, cats in America kill billions, with a B, billions of birds and mammals every year.

01:08:26.000 Every year, they kill billions of birds and mammals.

01:08:30.000 That's why I know a lot of the farmers and that, they obviously can't, you know, even, again, my mate, like, you just, you know, they kill so many native birds and all that sort of stuff, and that's why he's not a big fan of them, but, yeah, yeah, it's just, yeah, again, like, it's bloody crazy.

01:08:44.000 Some of them get big as well.

01:08:46.000 I've seen photos of...

01:08:47.000 They look like a house cat, but then they're just like...

01:08:50.000 Huge.

01:08:51.000 They're holding them like this and they're almost touching the ground.

01:08:52.000 You're like, what?

01:08:54.000 That's a blowout.

01:08:54.000 Even good.

01:08:55.000 And I've seen some ones that were black. 0.94

01:08:57.000 So they look like a panther or something.

01:08:59.000 It's a panther.

01:09:00.000 No, it's just a cat.

01:09:00.000 It's not far out.

01:09:01.000 28-pound house cat.

01:09:02.000 It says the number fluctuates from between 2 to 6 million depending on the weather.

01:09:08.000 Mount of cats?

01:09:09.000 In Australia?

01:09:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:10.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:09:11.000 And they're dropping poison sausage out of the air. 1.00

01:09:14.000 To kill the cats?

01:09:16.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:09:16.000 Oh, well that's gonna fuck everything else up, because other things are gonna eat the poison sausage. 0.97

01:09:20.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:09:21.000 What in the hell, man? 0.78

01:09:22.000 Why don't they ever figure that out? 0.90

01:09:24.000 You can't just do that.

01:09:26.000 Yeah, so they estimated over 200,000 cats were killed in the first 12 months after the plan was announced.

01:09:32.000 Dropping lethal sausages from the sky is only part of the country's efforts to eradicate the feral cats.

01:09:37.000 Yeah, some places, they have a bounty on them.

01:09:41.000 Like, if you shoot cats, they'll give you money.

01:09:42.000 Oh, really, yeah?

01:09:43.000 Yeah, they have that with wolves in some places, too. 0.97

01:09:46.000 If you shoot wolves, they'll give you money, because the wolves are fucking up so much wildlife.

01:09:51.000 Like you said, with the coyotes and all that, and then the bears and all that sort of stuff, hunting some scary stuff. 0.85

01:09:58.000 It can get real.

01:10:00.000 Because you're out there, you're putting yourself in the food chain. 0.88

01:10:03.000 Obviously, we've got a lot of poisonous things and little things that'll get you, but then over here, it just seems like everything's big that'll just fuck you up. 0.93

01:10:12.000 Well, Australia's crazy, too, because most people live on the outside, and the inside's just madness. 0.89

01:10:18.000 Yep.

01:10:20.000 Oh, mate, they're a bit different as well.

01:10:22.000 I don't know what's lucky, but when you go out west and all that, they're just bred a bit different.

01:10:27.000 So we'll go out there, and even just driving on the roads, and we'll sit there, and we'll wave at someone, and the Westies, they'll just be like... 1.00

01:10:34.000 They just lift their finger up, as in, that's a hello?

01:10:37.000 They're just bred so much different over there, it's crazy.

01:10:39.000 Oh, the people in the bush?

01:10:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:41.000 That's what we call Westies, sorry, that guy, the Westies. 0.99

01:10:44.000 They're spooky folks that live out in those weird places.

01:10:47.000 Yeah.

01:10:48.000 What do you got, Jamie?

01:10:49.000 You know, we talked about that.

01:10:49.000 I think you just said it too.

01:10:50.000 The number of birds that they kill is like, at least in America, it says it's estimated 1.3 to 4 billion birds a year.

01:10:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:57.000 They add mammals to that number, which includes like reptiles and other things.

01:11:01.000 6.3 to 22.3 billion mammals are killed every year by cats in the United States. 1.00

01:11:06.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:11:08.000 That's so many. 0.99

01:11:10.000 That's way more than people have been alive ever.

01:11:14.000 More than all the people ever.

01:11:18.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:11:18.000 Every year, these little fucks. 1.00

01:11:20.000 Plus, they're cute. 1.00

01:11:21.000 You little purr.

01:11:21.000 You pet them, they purr.

01:11:23.000 You know, they're little murderers. 0.98

01:11:28.000 It's amazing.

01:11:30.000 Stats, right?

01:11:31.000 That's a crazy stat.

01:11:32.000 Crazy stats.

01:11:33.000 By the way, in the United States, it's even more.

01:11:36.000 Look at that.

01:11:38.000 Wow, in addition to mammals, cats kill an estimated 377 million birds and 649 million reptiles every year in Australia. 1.00

01:11:48.000 That's fucking nuts. 0.99

01:11:50.000 Far out. 1.00

01:11:51.000 Yeah, and some asshole brought them over there not that long ago. 0.99

01:11:54.000 I think they brought them over in the 1800s. 0.99

01:11:56.000 Yeah, I've heard a couple of different cases where they bring people in and then just went backwards for them.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, you can't just bring things places.

01:12:06.000 You can't just do that, you know?

01:12:07.000 Especially predators.

01:12:08.000 Well, the cane toads.

01:12:10.000 So, they got introduced for...

01:12:12.000 Oh, God, man.

01:12:13.000 I know you might have to get this one.

01:12:14.000 But they bring them in, and now they're just a complete, like, pest. 1.00

01:12:19.000 Those are big fuckers, aren't they? 1.00

01:12:21.000 Yeah, they're big. 1.00

01:12:21.000 What did they bring them here for? 1.00

01:12:23.000 Probably for some other stupid reason. 1.00

01:12:24.000 I can't remember. 0.99

01:12:25.000 Yeah, I can't remember where it was.

01:12:26.000 Get rid of flies.

01:12:26.000 Too many mosquitoes.

01:12:27.000 Close beetles in the sugar fields.

01:12:29.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:12:30.000 Too many beetles.

01:12:30.000 What do you want to do?

01:12:31.000 Yeah, you bring them, and now they're like a massive problem, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:12:35.000 1935, these dipshits. 0.81

01:12:36.000 They were brought to Australia from Hawaii with the intention of controlling the cane beetle in the sugarcane fields in North Queensland. 0.84

01:12:43.000 Cane beetles live on the high upper stalks of the cane plant.

01:12:45.000 Cane toads can't jump up that far, so they barely had any impact. 1.00

01:12:48.000 These fucking idiots! 1.00

01:12:50.000 They didn't know jack shit in 1935. They couldn't Wikipedia shit. 1.00

01:12:54.000 Some idiot is like, you gotta justify your job. 1.00

01:12:58.000 Toads! 1.00

01:12:58.000 We're gonna bring toads. 1.00

01:13:00.000 Have we talked about the four pest campaign that happened?

01:13:02.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:13:03.000 Look at the size of that prick! 0.99

01:13:04.000 Look at the one in the middle.

01:13:06.000 Click on that one in the middle.

01:13:07.000 The middle picture. 0.99

01:13:08.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:13:09.000 That's a person. 1.00

01:13:10.000 I didn't realize that was a person.

01:13:11.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:13:12.000 Look at those fucks. 1.00

01:13:14.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:13:15.000 Jesus Christ!

01:13:16.000 Well, they started off, they're all up north in Queensland, and now they're all in New South Wales, and they're just expanding.

01:13:24.000 It's just going to take over Australia. 0.86

01:13:25.000 I don't even know, actually.

01:13:26.000 This is the stats that I knew about eight years ago, so it's probably...

01:13:32.000 Quadrupled by now, or like they probably have covered all of this, I don't even know.

01:13:35.000 What do they use to kill the cane toads?

01:13:38.000 Are they going to bring in birds?

01:13:40.000 Have we talked about the For Pest campaign?

01:13:42.000 It's like an ancient, not ancient, but like it's a historical event that happened that led to like the death of 35 million people in China.

01:13:49.000 No!

01:13:50.000 Yeah, they had a sparrow problem.

01:13:52.000 Or swallows, whichever.

01:13:54.000 With a small bird. 0.92

01:13:55.000 So they were an annoyance that they allowed people to kill them.

01:13:58.000 They were like banging pots and pans to get rid of them.

01:14:01.000 That worked to get rid of them, but then all of the bugs then ate all the rice fields that led to a famine that led to 25 to 35 million people dying.

01:14:10.000 Oh, jeez.

01:14:11.000 So they would have been better off with the birds.

01:14:13.000 It's a historical event that people need to keep in mind when these things happen that there's a very sensitive ecosystem.

01:14:21.000 Yeah.

01:14:22.000 Was that in 1935 as well?

01:14:24.000 It actually was at the same time here.

01:14:25.000 It took me a little bad year.

01:14:26.000 Nobody learned.

01:14:28.000 Yeah.

01:14:29.000 It's like, I don't know, man.

01:14:30.000 I don't know how they're going to get rid of those frogs.

01:14:31.000 Do they have an idea?

01:14:32.000 I don't know.

01:14:33.000 Man, I don't know too much.

01:14:34.000 I just remember hearing that stats.

01:14:36.000 I thought I'd throw it out there.

01:14:37.000 But I don't know. 0.91

01:14:38.000 It's bloody...

01:14:38.000 I think...

01:14:39.000 Oh, man.

01:14:39.000 I remember seeing videos.

01:14:40.000 And there was just the floors absolutely covered in certain spots up in Queensland.

01:14:46.000 Absolutely covered.

01:14:47.000 Actually, it was in The Simpsons, wasn't it?

01:14:49.000 Was it?

01:14:49.000 I swear it was a Simpsons episode.

01:14:51.000 Yeah, the...

01:14:52.000 I would have called them Shazwazes or something like that. 1.00

01:14:55.000 I remember, yeah, someone comes, they beat them.

01:14:57.000 They pull out the sticks and beat our bats or something like that.

01:15:00.000 The four pest thing was a couple of years later.

01:15:01.000 It was 1958 to 1962. Interesting.

01:15:05.000 So they didn't learn from 35. Well, maybe those toads taste good.

01:15:08.000 Maybe they should start eating toads. 0.83

01:15:10.000 Frog legs are delicious.

01:15:11.000 Are they poisonous?

01:15:12.000 No.

01:15:13.000 Oh, boy.

01:15:13.000 I don't know.

01:15:14.000 That's a problem.

01:15:15.000 Yeah, that's why I think they're a big one.

01:15:16.000 Maybe not.

01:15:17.000 Maybe not.

01:15:17.000 Are cane toads poisonous?

01:15:20.000 We'll find out here.

01:15:22.000 Have you ever had frog legs?

01:15:25.000 Yes, I have.

01:15:26.000 Well, they're cooked well.

01:15:26.000 They're good.

01:15:27.000 Where did I have that?

01:15:28.000 I did have that, and it was actually a mixture of, I thought, chicken and fish?

01:15:34.000 The ones I had?

01:15:35.000 Yeah, similar.

01:15:37.000 You reckon?

01:15:38.000 Yeah.

01:15:38.000 But they always say everything tastes like chicken.

01:15:40.000 Poisonous, but no one's died from that.

01:15:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:15:42.000 It sounds like you get sick.

01:15:43.000 They have boiled toad eggs.

01:15:46.000 Oh, boy.

01:15:47.000 Toad eggs?

01:15:48.000 Jesus.

01:15:48.000 Oh, okay.

01:15:49.000 So, they have some sort of poison.

01:15:51.000 It says, yeah, their cane toad has poison glands through their whole life cycle.

01:15:55.000 Depends on when it's killed.

01:15:56.000 Depends on what you eat.

01:15:57.000 What about for animals?

01:15:58.000 Yeah, it's bad for animals, bad for dogs.

01:16:00.000 Oh, well, that's great.

01:16:01.000 That means you can't eat them. 1.00

01:16:02.000 That means these fuckers, they're running around making sure that predators don't eat them. 1.00

01:16:06.000 No frog legs in Australia. 1.00

01:16:08.000 What a dumb animal to bring over there to kill beetles. 1.00

01:16:10.000 You fucking assholes. 1.00

01:16:11.000 He should find that guy from 1935 and kick his ass. 1.00

01:16:14.000 If we go back in time, like, what were you thinking, man? 1.00

01:16:17.000 What a dumb move. 0.99

01:16:19.000 Bring over a poisoned toad that no one can eat. 1.00

01:16:23.000 What was it for bugs?

01:16:24.000 Literally for bugs, that's crazy.

01:16:26.000 Yeah, and the fact that it's poisonous, not venomous, poisonous, which means if they eat it, they die. 0.98

01:16:32.000 So these predators, if you brought over a bunch of fucking jackals or something to go eat the frogs or the toads, they would wind up dying. 0.99

01:16:39.000 Cane toads, oh, they do have venom secreting poison glands known as paratoid glands or swellings on each shoulder where poison is released if they are threatened when they're threatened if ingested the venom can cause rapid heartbeat excessive salivation Convulsions and paralysis and can result in death for many native animals great So you can't even fucking kill them with predators. 0.99

01:17:06.000 God, well, maybe we can get the cats to eat the cane toads. 0.98

01:17:09.000 Maybe that's the move.

01:17:10.000 I swear, I could be wrong.

01:17:12.000 Look at this. 1.00

01:17:13.000 The most humane way to kill cane toads is to put them in the freezer alive. 1.00

01:17:18.000 Humane? 1.00

01:17:19.000 That's the most humane? 0.99

01:17:20.000 I think I remember getting told back in the day, you had to kill them if you seen them or something like that. 0.98

01:17:27.000 Oh, I imagine. 1.00

01:17:27.000 Kill them if you can. 1.00

01:17:28.000 The once popular method was used to kill millions of poisonous pets until it was banned 20 years ago because animal ethics committees considered it inhumane. 1.00

01:17:38.000 Oh, you fucks. 1.00

01:17:39.000 It's all those fucking animal rights people. 1.00

01:17:42.000 They ruin everything. 1.00

01:17:43.000 What about our rights, huh? 1.00

01:17:45.000 You got poison toads everywhere, assholes. 1.00

01:17:47.000 How do you get rid of them? 1.00

01:17:48.000 What does it say?

01:17:49.000 Remove toad temptations and make your home a cane toad free zone. 0.79

01:17:55.000 You need a sign.

01:17:56.000 You decide, hey, we're a cane toad free zone here. 0.96

01:18:00.000 Cover or bring pet food in at night as it attracts cane toads.

01:18:03.000 Remove standing water.

01:18:05.000 Oh, great.

01:18:06.000 How you gonna do that?

01:18:07.000 What about ponds?

01:18:08.000 What about puddles?

01:18:09.000 Remove rubbish and other degrees, debris, so the cane toad cannot shelter under it during the day.

01:18:15.000 Keep your outside lights off when not needed.

01:18:18.000 Keep toads out by creating a barrier.

01:18:22.000 Far out.

01:18:23.000 Far out, indeed.

01:18:24.000 I don't know about that.

01:18:25.000 It's offensive they can't jump that high.

01:18:28.000 Just hire people. 1.00

01:18:29.000 Hire people to kill them. 1.00

01:18:31.000 Give them a lot. 1.00

01:18:31.000 Make it valuable to kill them. 1.00

01:18:33.000 I'm telling you, I think it was for a bit. 1.00

01:18:36.000 Honestly, I remember if you see one, I think you had to. 0.99

01:18:39.000 You're supposed to kill them? 0.93

01:18:40.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.99

01:18:41.000 I could be wrong.

01:18:42.000 Maybe I just heard that from someone and I'm running with it.

01:18:44.000 It would be good archery practice if you had a lot of arrows.

01:18:47.000 Because it's not a big target.

01:18:49.000 It's a good thing to shoot at. 1.00

01:18:52.000 Fucking crazy assholes. 1.00

01:18:53.000 Bring over fucking poisonous toads. 1.00

01:18:55.000 Estimated over 200 million now. 1.00

01:19:00.000 That's so crazy!

01:19:02.000 That's so many toads! 0.98

01:19:05.000 200 million toads?

01:19:07.000 Jesus, Australia. 0.93

01:19:09.000 Yeah, I don't know about that one. 0.95

01:19:11.000 Crazy.

01:19:12.000 So, what do you eat during camp?

01:19:15.000 Well, actually, I've got a dietician on board now.

01:19:19.000 So he does a few of us, you know, he does his year in that as well.

01:19:23.000 Do you get meal prep, like pre-prep?

01:19:25.000 No, I used to get that, but now he just gives me a sort of game plan to go with.

01:19:30.000 Sorry, not game plan.

01:19:31.000 A diet plan.

01:19:33.000 Yeah, meal plan.

01:19:35.000 Obviously, I've got options and stuff like that.

01:19:38.000 It's a game changer, man.

01:19:39.000 It really is.

01:19:39.000 Like I said, from what I used to eat to now, I'm talking even just a couple of fights ago.

01:19:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:46.000 I was doing my own thing.

01:19:48.000 The fight week, I would literally just eat chicken and nuts.

01:19:50.000 This wasn't that long ago.

01:19:52.000 I was ranked and I was just eating like chicken and nuts and just to plead myself so much, don't get me wrong, I'd end up pretty light, but I mean, it was not good for the body, that's for sure.

01:20:03.000 So when will you start, so like say if you have a fight and it's eight weeks out, when will you start the dieting process to try to lose weight and when are you just eating just for health?

01:20:12.000 Yeah, well, I'm always trying to, all year round, I try except for the last few months.

01:20:16.000 All year round, I'm trying to eat reasonably good during the week, and then the weekends, I'll sort of just do whatever.

01:20:22.000 And I still do that all the way through to about two weeks is my last cheat meal, as people would say, my last time I'll actually do that.

01:20:32.000 I don't know if my body just knows, but sometimes I swear I'm eating the same as I get closer to the fight.

01:20:39.000 Maybe I'm training that little bit harder or maybe I'm having that little bit less sugar or whatever it is.

01:20:44.000 The sauce I'm cutting, I don't really realize, but it's just fine little things I'm doing and the weight just falls off.

01:20:50.000 How much do you cut the week of the fight?

01:20:52.000 The week of the fight, I'm usually about 7 kilograms out.

01:20:55.000 So it seems like a lot, but I hold a lot of water.

01:20:57.000 So that's about 15, 16 pounds?

01:21:00.000 Yeah, I think so, yeah.

01:21:01.000 So I'm about there, and a lot of it will end up coming off during the week.

01:21:06.000 So again, I hold a lot of water.

01:21:07.000 So I blow it up, man.

01:21:08.000 I look at a piece of bread, and I'll put on 5 kilos of water.

01:21:11.000 So that's just how I am.

01:21:13.000 So I actually, I mean, I'll probably get myself in trouble, but I end up weighing in at 145. So yeah, 145. Usually a little bit less, actually, the last few times.

01:21:22.000 And I was getting up to 160...

01:21:24.000 What was it?

01:21:25.000 166 or something like that.

01:21:27.000 I can't remember what it was, but I ended up getting to 76 kilograms.

01:21:30.000 Wow.

01:21:31.000 So I ended up putting like...

01:21:32.000 22 pounds or so?

01:21:33.000 Yes.

01:21:33.000 Wow.

01:21:34.000 So I'll do that overnight.

01:21:35.000 How does that feel, though, when you do...

01:21:37.000 Well, I'm used to...

01:21:38.000 I'm that weight all camp, pretty much.

01:21:40.000 So that's my weight I'm comfortable at.

01:21:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:43.000 So I'm about...

01:21:43.000 Even two weeks out from my fight, I'm about 75 kg, maybe 74, but I'm pretty close to it.

01:21:49.000 It's a real science, isn't it?

01:21:51.000 It is, 100%.

01:21:52.000 And again, to be able to eat what I eat, you know, Fight Week, and I look at the food now at Fight Week and be like, what, how good is this?

01:21:59.000 You know, all over my social media, I'm just like, what?

01:22:01.000 Look how lucky I am.

01:22:03.000 Before, when I used to do that, like, you know, Fight Week and do my stories, I'm just going to literally show, like, six pieces of nuts and a little piece of chicken, where now I got, like, mad, like, in meals and, you know, obviously decorating.

01:22:14.000 So what changed?

01:22:14.000 How did he change it?

01:22:16.000 Yeah, again, they just know.

01:22:18.000 Before, I didn't know.

01:22:19.000 I just knew I had to cut sodiums and carbs.

01:22:22.000 I'll do that four or five days out.

01:22:24.000 Again, I'll deplete a lot of water, but I'll drink distilled water and stuff like that.

01:22:30.000 Again, you're still doing similar sort of stuff.

01:22:33.000 Everything's more calculated now.

01:22:35.000 They do all the measurements and calculate everything.

01:22:39.000 Again, the science to it.

01:22:40.000 It's crazy.

01:22:41.000 Now I'm usually a couple of kilos heavier when I've got a sweat from the night before, but it comes off easy and I feel good.

01:22:48.000 So I've got energy and it's easy to come off.

01:22:52.000 What's a typical meal for breakfast for you?

01:22:55.000 Fight week.

01:22:56.000 No, like during training.

01:22:57.000 Oats, usually when I get close, I love my oats and I like it heated up because it always fills me up.

01:23:03.000 I feel like I should be eating more, but I don't even need to.

01:23:06.000 It fills me up that much.

01:23:08.000 There's some meals now because we train so hard.

01:23:11.000 That's what I mean by the difference.

01:23:13.000 I was eating next to nothing to now not even being able to eat some of the stuff that they want me to eat.

01:23:18.000 I'm like, man, I can't eat that much.

01:23:20.000 I probably could, but I'm like, I don't need to, you know what I mean?

01:23:23.000 Right, right.

01:23:24.000 That's amazing.

01:23:25.000 Yeah, because we do three or four sessions a day, and some of them, we tell them what workouts, and we've got to scale them one to ten, how hard they are.

01:23:32.000 You're doing four workout sessions a day?

01:23:34.000 Yeah, with some days, yeah.

01:23:35.000 Really?

01:23:35.000 Yes, I'll do usually three on average.

01:23:38.000 But again, it's going to be controlled.

01:23:41.000 It doesn't mean I'm actually going balls to war every session.

01:23:44.000 You've got to be structured to it.

01:23:45.000 But I'll do strength and conditioning a couple of days a week.

01:23:48.000 And then usually when I'm back home in Australia, it's the free sessions every day.

01:23:53.000 And then sometimes I do strength and conditioning.

01:23:55.000 So when we go to New Zealand, it's usually in the morning we'll do a couple of sessions and then we'll get a session at night.

01:24:02.000 But again, with some of these sort of training sessions, full on, like I said, we're burning anywhere from 1,200 calories to more, like 1,400.

01:24:14.000 And we're fit.

01:24:15.000 So to burn them sort of calories while you're that fit, that's a lot of hard work.

01:24:19.000 So we're doing that and then they're like, they've got to feed us all this so we can have the energy to train.

01:24:24.000 And that's what I mean.

01:24:25.000 Some meals, I'm like, man, I don't think I could even eat that.

01:24:27.000 But it's crazy to be able to do that and be happy with what you're eating and then go in a fight week and stuff like that.

01:24:34.000 It's a game changer.

01:24:35.000 It really is.

01:24:35.000 Yeah, that's where the value of having someone as an actual nutritionist really comes into play where they tell you, no, this is the calories that you need and this is going to give you all the electrolytes and the protein, the carbohydrates.

01:24:46.000 This is everything.

01:24:47.000 You're good.

01:24:48.000 When you're like, are you sure?

01:24:49.000 Yeah.

01:24:50.000 Man, that's exactly right.

01:24:51.000 But that's how it is.

01:24:52.000 That's what I will be like while I'm eating.

01:24:55.000 I'm like, man, I don't know if I should be eating this.

01:24:56.000 And the funny thing is if you're starving yourself with the chicken and the nuts, you're not going to lose as much weight.

01:25:01.000 It's not going to be as easy because your body's going to try to hold on to food and you're not going to have any energy.

01:25:05.000 Yeah.

01:25:06.000 Well, I've only done the chicken and nuts fight week.

01:25:08.000 But I mean, again, earlier in my career, I was just eating nowhere near enough.

01:25:12.000 I remember I sort of went off...

01:25:15.000 My wife's meal plan that she had. 1.00

01:25:17.000 She wasn't even training and it was a meal that she was meant to be having.

01:25:21.000 The meals that she was having, not even training.

01:25:24.000 I'm obviously a few kilos heavier.

01:25:26.000 I'm working a lot harder.

01:25:27.000 I'm obviously training and doing all that.

01:25:29.000 I'm trying to stick to this diet that she's meant to lose weight on.

01:25:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:34.000 That's what I would do my diets and that's when the staph infections always come and it's crazy.

01:25:41.000 So when you say you're working out three to four times a day, how do you break up your sessions?

01:25:44.000 Is someone dictating what you're going to be doing for the day?

01:25:49.000 Do you have someone who plans out your workouts?

01:25:51.000 Most weeks are pretty much the same.

01:25:52.000 But obviously, that's the thing.

01:25:55.000 Joe, my coach, no one knows me better than he is, so he knows when...

01:25:59.000 I'm not on.

01:25:59.000 You know, he knows when something's happened.

01:26:01.000 So there was before the Max fight, there was a, you know, I don't want to miss training sessions, you know what I mean?

01:26:06.000 So I'm going to go there, but they could see I was run down and that's when injuries can happen and that's when you can get sick and all this type of stuff.

01:26:13.000 So they pulled me up and as much as I didn't want to, no, no, I'll be right.

01:26:16.000 They didn't let me train that night and have like the day off.

01:26:20.000 And, man, honestly, the next day, the next sessions after that, I was on fire and I finished, you know what I mean?

01:26:26.000 Perfect.

01:26:27.000 Again, at the time, I'm like, I don't want to miss out on the trail.

01:26:30.000 I don't want to feel like I'm not working hard enough, you know what I mean?

01:26:34.000 So that's sort of how I was...

01:26:36.000 Thinking, but then the next day it just made me even work so much harder and I've done the VO2 max session, wrestling session and absolutely killed it, you know what I mean?

01:26:44.000 And that just, and that was my last week of training and I just finished it perfect, like sort of, you know, right on peak, you know, obviously that's why you structure to peak, you know, a week out and that was, you know, it was perfect.

01:26:55.000 As with the nutritionist, it shows you the value of having a real professional and particularly someone who really knows you and knows you're not going to slack off.

01:27:04.000 You're a guy who's going to go balls out.

01:27:07.000 So if you're tired like that, something's up.

01:27:09.000 And so many coaches or so many fighters rather don't have a coach like that.

01:27:13.000 And so they will overtrain and they'll come into a fight beaten down.

01:27:16.000 And it's unfortunate.

01:27:18.000 It really is.

01:27:19.000 That's what I mean.

01:27:19.000 The 1%ers, and you were saying with the mental coaches and all that, I just think there's so many places that you could really work with, and I think they're all that will help in the end, that 1%.

01:27:30.000 Now, how much of your camp is dedicated to strength and conditioning?

01:27:33.000 How many strength and conditioning sessions do you do?

01:27:35.000 I'll do anywhere from two to three.

01:27:37.000 Two to three a week?

01:27:38.000 Yeah, two to three a week.

01:27:40.000 And what kind of stuff are you doing?

01:27:41.000 Again, I started with Baymed Performance.

01:27:44.000 So they come on board because I used to get a lot of...

01:27:46.000 What is the name of it?

01:27:47.000 Baymed.

01:27:48.000 Baymed.

01:27:48.000 Baymed?

01:27:49.000 Yeah, Performance.

01:27:49.000 So they deal with a lot of athletes.

01:27:51.000 So they do rugby league teams and all that sort of stuff.

01:27:54.000 It was a...

01:27:55.000 That was a game changer for me because I was having a lot of problems with my back before I was thinking.

01:27:59.000 This was before Chad Mendes.

01:28:01.000 So there was even times in my career where I was thinking I might have to give this up.

01:28:06.000 Even after the Elkins fight.

01:28:07.000 What was wrong with your back?

01:28:09.000 I have a bulging disc but I would get all the sciatica down the leg and at the time I just thought it was so much worse than it was and it was mentally getting me.

01:28:17.000 Where's the bulging disc?

01:28:19.000 Lower ones.

01:28:20.000 I can't even tell you which one it was.

01:28:22.000 But the lower ones.

01:28:22.000 So I've got a couple of...

01:28:24.000 But I even went to a specialist and they were telling me to give it up.

01:28:27.000 I don't know whether it was just something that he has to say to cover himself or whatever it was.

01:28:32.000 Those guys are always so negative.

01:28:33.000 They always say that.

01:28:34.000 They told me to give it up.

01:28:35.000 And again, it was already mentally getting me.

01:28:37.000 And then I had these guys come on board and they're like, no, there's nothing more, mate.

01:28:41.000 80% of the people...

01:28:43.000 Literally have bulging discs.

01:28:44.000 Don't worry.

01:28:45.000 It literally goes until your foot stays flat and drags and all that sort of stuff from the sciatica.

01:28:50.000 Or you can't control your bowels.

01:28:52.000 That's when we'll start. 1.00

01:28:54.000 Once you start shitting yourself, we'll tell you to stop. 0.99

01:28:57.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

01:28:57.000 That's when we might maybe do the surgery or something like that. 0.99

01:29:00.000 So this is sort of what, again, they were trying to get in my head and really sort of just let me sort of smash this mentally as well.

01:29:06.000 Yeah.

01:29:06.000 So they started getting me thinking like, and again, I'm pretty good at this type of stuff.

01:29:10.000 So I'm like, alright, no worries.

01:29:11.000 They got me on a MAD program.

01:29:12.000 They built a strength program specifically for my body, you know, for what I do, fighting and all that.

01:29:18.000 So it's an absolute game changer.

01:29:20.000 And I don't have problems.

01:29:21.000 Now when I used to, there was times where I was having like anywhere from 14 weeks to not training before I fought.

01:29:27.000 Like Elkins, Jeremy Kennedy.

01:29:29.000 I was doing next to nothing in between the fight and then literally having six weeks training.

01:29:34.000 Wow, so you're trying to recover and just dealing with the pain.

01:29:38.000 Yeah, so my back will go and then I'll have like two weeks off, try to get back into it, but it'll happen again.

01:29:44.000 And I was doing this for like 14 weeks straight and then getting told I'm fighting and then, you know, do a camp and be like, I've got six weeks to get myself ready.

01:29:50.000 Do you do any spinal decompression or anything like that?

01:29:53.000 No, not that.

01:29:54.000 A lot of it's just, again, hip mobility and all that.

01:29:58.000 So a lot of times I do a lot of mobility before I do sessions and stuff like that.

01:30:01.000 That really does help with what I'm doing.

01:30:04.000 I want you to try this thing I have out there, this teetered dex.

01:30:08.000 It's this thing you climb into.

01:30:10.000 It's real simple.

01:30:12.000 You put your legs behind it, almost like a leg curl, and then you lean forward.

01:30:16.000 And as you lean forward, all the weight just decompresses on your back, particularly your lower back.

01:30:23.000 It's fantastic for it.

01:30:24.000 It feels so good.

01:30:25.000 I do it after every workout.

01:30:26.000 I do two things for my back that are really big.

01:30:28.000 One is a thing called the reverse hyper.

01:30:30.000 You ever use one of those?

01:30:31.000 No.

01:30:32.000 Is that like with the round thing?

01:30:33.000 No, that's another one.

01:30:35.000 That's a hip glute hamstring thing. 0.98

01:30:38.000 The reverse hyper is this machine that was created by Louis Simmons from Westside Barbell.

01:30:44.000 It's like a flat bench.

01:30:45.000 You climb your upper body up on the bench, and then you hook your legs into this thing, and you lift your legs up, and then you let them drop down.

01:30:52.000 And as it drops down, it decompresses.

01:30:53.000 And as you lift it up, it strengthens.

01:30:56.000 It comes from this guy, Louie Simmons, he's a powerlifting legend, and he had a back injury and they were trying to do surgery on him.

01:31:03.000 And he was like, well, what's it from?

01:31:04.000 They were like, it's from compression.

01:31:05.000 He's like, well, I've got to figure out how to decompress it.

01:31:07.000 So he figured out this machine that created active decompression.

01:31:11.000 I have one out here.

01:31:12.000 I swear by it.

01:31:13.000 I love it.

01:31:14.000 There it is right there.

01:31:14.000 It shows how it works.

01:31:16.000 So when you lift up, Don't stare that dude down.

01:31:19.000 When you lift up, it goes up and then when it lifts down, it actually pulls the back and decompresses and it feels great.

01:31:26.000 Pull that video right there. 0.99

01:31:28.000 You can see it.

01:31:29.000 If you watch that video, you can see that's Louie. 1.00

01:31:32.000 He's a fucking character. 1.00

01:31:33.000 He's a really wild guy. 1.00

01:31:36.000 But so, see how it's going down?

01:31:38.000 That thing pulls your back down.

01:31:41.000 So what I'll do is, on the up, it strengthens the back muscles in a real unique way.

01:31:45.000 So what I'll do is I'll do that, and then after I do that, then I'll decompress with the decks.

01:31:51.000 That's the decks.

01:31:52.000 That's the thing right there.

01:31:53.000 So you climb into that thing, and then see how she's got her hands on those handles? 1.00

01:31:56.000 You let go of that, and it just makes your lower back.

01:32:00.000 I'm going to give it to you to try out here.

01:32:02.000 You're going to climb in there.

01:32:03.000 You're going to go, oh, I need this.

01:32:06.000 I love it.

01:32:07.000 I have one at home too.

01:32:09.000 I swear by it. 0.98

01:32:10.000 I fucking swear by this thing. 0.98

01:32:12.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:32:12.000 Really good for stretching the back. 0.98

01:32:14.000 I look into having that.

01:32:15.000 Because your own body weight is like pulling your spine apart and decompressing it.

01:32:19.000 It just relaxes everything.

01:32:20.000 It's very nice.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 Well, that's a...

01:32:23.000 Well, you know, again, it's just...

01:32:24.000 You need these types of things.

01:32:26.000 You need...

01:32:26.000 Obviously, the knowledge is getting there with everything.

01:32:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:28.000 The knowledge is out there.

01:32:30.000 So... 1.00

01:32:30.000 What kind of shit do they have you doing? 1.00

01:32:32.000 A lot of it was a strengthening. 1.00

01:32:34.000 So I was a...

01:32:35.000 A big problem of mine, I was getting told, lock your core when I'd get my back.

01:32:39.000 A bit more old school type of stuff.

01:32:42.000 Just lock your core, don't do nothing.

01:32:44.000 I would literally do nothing for a whole week and then try and get back to it and I would injure it again.

01:32:48.000 Literally, if you told me to stand up, I would hold my breath and stand up.

01:32:53.000 That's just my mental side of where I was at with it.

01:32:59.000 And it was a, you know what I mean?

01:33:00.000 So they had to change all that. 0.98

01:33:01.000 They had to, you know, relax and let me, like literally, they said, if you, you know, if you drop a, like this one thing he said to me the first time I met him, he goes, you drop a pencil, Pick the fucking pencil up. 0.97

01:33:12.000 Don't fucking game plan how you're going to pick up that pencil. 0.97

01:33:15.000 He's trying to get in my head. 0.99

01:33:17.000 Just relax, you know what I mean?

01:33:18.000 And the training, even the first few sessions I started doing for my strength program, I would always really hyperextend my back and thinking I'm keeping it straight and think I'm doing the right thing.

01:33:29.000 So they had to try and change my posture and everything while I was doing workouts just so I could start You know, doing things properly.

01:33:36.000 Like even when I used to do deadlifts, I would like try and stay as upright as I could because I thought my back would go.

01:33:42.000 My back would go every time I did deadlifts and that because my technique was bad and just little things like that.

01:33:48.000 So that's what I mean by having a strength program and all this sort of stuff.

01:33:51.000 And now, like if I do get a flare up, Even the next day, I'm back into training.

01:33:56.000 Before, I'd have two weeks off, literally two weeks off, where now I'm back at training.

01:34:01.000 They're like, you can't stop moving.

01:34:03.000 You need to keep moving.

01:34:05.000 Don't let your body lock up.

01:34:06.000 My brain would literally make it lock up.

01:34:08.000 I'll get my hip out to the side. 0.95

01:34:10.000 It was bad.

01:34:11.000 Like, it really was.

01:34:11.000 I'd get a flare-up and I'd be like, uh-oh!

01:34:13.000 And then my brain would just talk, oh yeah, go back to that position, you know, where you go.

01:34:16.000 And my hip would go out and I wouldn't be able to walk for a few days.

01:34:19.000 And it's just, yeah, that was keep happening.

01:34:21.000 But now we're on top of it.

01:34:23.000 Now it's a game changer.

01:34:24.000 Now I'm having camps, you know, full proper camps.

01:34:27.000 That happened before Chad Mendes.

01:34:29.000 So that's when I ended up seeing them and I had my first proper 12-week camp for the Chad Mendes fight.

01:34:36.000 That's amazing.

01:34:36.000 Yeah.

01:34:37.000 That's amazing.

01:34:38.000 So what kind of stuff do they have you doing other than, you said, deadlifts and strengthening exercises?

01:34:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:42.000 A lot of glutes because my right glute wasn't even firing.

01:34:46.000 Because of the sciatic?

01:34:47.000 Yeah.

01:34:48.000 Well, not just that.

01:34:49.000 Just the fact that I would use my back muscles and core to do everything.

01:34:52.000 I wasn't ever activating my glutes to do stuff because I was just using the wrong muscles and thinking I was doing the right way.

01:34:58.000 Now, that's a big part of my...

01:35:00.000 My sort of mobility before I do it.

01:35:02.000 I do my mobility and I get the glutes firing and stuff like that.

01:35:05.000 And every time I do that, I feel good.

01:35:07.000 So a lot of the strength program is still building the glutes and stuff like that.

01:35:11.000 Obviously, you're still doing your core exercises.

01:35:13.000 Now we're at a stage where we can just sort of build everything, you know, and even just having people that know what they're doing.

01:35:19.000 Again, you could go there and they can just work on everything and, oh yeah, let's go nuts.

01:35:23.000 The specific sort of training, knowing that I've got to go and do my other sessions at the other gym and all that, so they all take it all into play.

01:35:31.000 Everything's just real structured.

01:35:34.000 Training weeks are so much more structured than it used to be.

01:35:38.000 You're seeing it, not only in performances, but even my body and being able to train.

01:35:42.000 It's a game changer.

01:35:43.000 That's amazing.

01:35:44.000 Wow, you're really, really fortunate that you found those guys.

01:35:47.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:35:48.000 It was huge.

01:35:49.000 Do you do any yoga or stretching or anything?

01:35:52.000 I do, like, yeah, stretches and all that.

01:35:54.000 Like, I don't do it, I'll be honest, I don't do it enough.

01:35:56.000 Like, I should be sticking to it, especially when I'm not...

01:35:59.000 While I'm back home, I do that in my sessions that I'm doing with them.

01:36:03.000 So I'm doing that.

01:36:04.000 I'm meant to be doing that every day, but, you know, I lack it.

01:36:06.000 I lack it sometimes.

01:36:07.000 I should be doing a lot more.

01:36:08.000 So sometimes I won't do it and I'll feel like it tight.

01:36:10.000 Every time I go on an airplane, I come to, you know, come to America and all that.

01:36:14.000 I come and I'm just stiff as a board, you know what I mean?

01:36:17.000 And...

01:36:17.000 But as soon as I do these mobility sort of exercises and stretches and get the glutes going, I'm 100% straight away.

01:36:24.000 Show me someone who doesn't have a back issue that trains martial arts, and I'll show you someone who doesn't train enough.

01:36:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:36:32.000 You're going to have a back problem, at least a little bit of stiffness.

01:36:36.000 That's just always...

01:36:37.000 Yeah, it comes with it.

01:36:38.000 What is it?

01:36:39.000 You see sometimes memes and they'll be like going, best childhood memory, not having a sore back and things like that.

01:36:46.000 I know kids, man. 0.93

01:36:47.000 My middle daughter, she's 11 and she's so fucking flexible, her spine. 0.75

01:36:53.000 She could stand and then bend backwards and put her hands behind her on the ground and then kick her legs up in the air and go over. 1.00

01:37:00.000 I'm like, what in the fuck are you made out of? 1.00

01:37:03.000 Little kids, man. 1.00

01:37:04.000 Yeah, man.

01:37:05.000 They're made out of rubber.

01:37:06.000 Yep, that's all it is like that.

01:37:08.000 Actually, yeah, I mean, 100%.

01:37:09.000 Even with my daughter once, actually, I'm going to probably cop some flack for this, but I remember I was, you know, sometimes I just, I didn't know.

01:37:19.000 So one time she just like sort of fell and I was like holding her by her arm and she ended up like having like a little dislocated like sort of elbow and I didn't know.

01:37:26.000 Like she was just crying.

01:37:27.000 I thought she was crying because we left the park.

01:37:29.000 And stuff like that.

01:37:30.000 Just the thing, I literally just had, and she just fell, and I just sort of held her.

01:37:34.000 Caught her?

01:37:35.000 Yeah, well, yeah, I just grabbed her by the arm. 1.00

01:37:37.000 Right.

01:37:37.000 And just, again, hyperlucky, it didn't break her infant, but obviously being young, and they're a bit more flexible, but hyper-extended her arm, but she was all right a couple of days.

01:37:47.000 It wasn't too bad.

01:37:48.000 I literally thought I broke my daughter's arm when I went to hospital.

01:37:50.000 Oh, no.

01:37:51.000 Imagine telling people this story, you know what I mean?

01:37:54.000 It's crazy, but some of the same things you see the kids do, it's crazy.

01:37:58.000 Well, they're built to fall down.

01:38:02.000 Just don't hold on an arm when they do.

01:38:06.000 So what about running?

01:38:07.000 Are you doing a lot of running?

01:38:09.000 I don't do as much running.

01:38:12.000 Sometimes I do weight loss and all that, but obviously when you try and get your You know, your heart rate at a certain amount and doing your, what is it, the endurance, you would know about this.

01:38:24.000 VO2 max?

01:38:24.000 Yeah, no, not VO2 max, like when you're doing the, like when you're running, a consistent run or something, you're keeping your heart rate at a certain amount.

01:38:30.000 I'd rather, I'm the top person, I'd rather be drilling at the gym.

01:38:34.000 I'll keep my heart rate there and I'll be drilling and I'll just do hours, you know, an hour.

01:38:37.000 And do you use a chest monitor or something like that?

01:38:38.000 Yeah, we do, yeah, we do that with a lot of our sessions.

01:38:41.000 And, yeah, that's, again, we just try and structure everything.

01:38:44.000 We're all about the science and stuff like that.

01:38:46.000 Yeah, I mean, it's so important, but so many people don't do it.

01:38:50.000 They just go by feel.

01:38:51.000 But if you really have great coaches, especially great scientific-based strength and conditioning coaches that really understand the science behind getting your body into a great endurance spot, Even though we even do, like we get our HRV, so every morning to see if, you know, it tells us if we can train or usually say, yeah, you're good to go, or something like, all right, pull up, you know?

01:39:13.000 Right.

01:39:13.000 So it tells you how your body's sort of feeling.

01:39:16.000 I don't know how it works.

01:39:17.000 Yeah, I wear a hoop strap.

01:39:17.000 I wear one of these things, heart rate variability straps.

01:39:20.000 Yeah, it's big.

01:39:21.000 It's big. 0.99

01:39:21.000 It shows you if you're fucking wrecked. 0.99

01:39:23.000 Because sometimes you feel like, maybe I'm just being a pussy, and then I can look at my phone, and they'll go, no, man, you're fucking, you haven't recovered. 0.99

01:39:30.000 There's a thing that'll show you where your static heart rate is, where your normal resting heart rate is, where it is now. 1.00

01:39:36.000 It shows you you've trained too hard. 1.00

01:39:38.000 And then sometimes they'll look and be like, yeah, you're just being a little bitch. 1.00

01:39:40.000 You're just being a little bitch. 1.00

01:39:41.000 It should say that, too. 1.00

01:39:44.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:39:45.000 So you prefer drilling to things like running?

01:39:49.000 Yeah, I've done a fair bit of running when I was in Thailand and stuff.

01:39:52.000 They make you run, right?

01:39:53.000 Yeah, exactly right.

01:39:55.000 But I'll be honest, I don't do as much now.

01:39:58.000 So again, doing the four sessions a day, three, four sessions a day, I'm the type of person that I'm just a believer of drilling.

01:40:05.000 I can be a lot more fight-specific when I'm getting that heart rate there.

01:40:09.000 So that's just how I am.

01:40:10.000 Everyone's different, though.

01:40:11.000 Well, I mean, obviously it's working for you.

01:40:12.000 Yeah, you know, sometimes that's a big part of it, too, is like having a thing that you believe in and the thing that gives you confidence.

01:40:19.000 And, you know, it's obvious that you have great endurance as well.

01:40:22.000 So it is physically working for you as well.

01:40:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:40:25.000 So you'll do three different sessions at least a day, and you're breaking them up like a strength and conditioning, maybe a boxing workout, kickboxing, jujitsu, maybe an MMA workout.

01:40:36.000 Like, how do you, how does it structure usually?

01:40:39.000 Yeah, most mornings you'll do an MMA sort of workout.

01:40:42.000 I'm all about putting it all together.

01:40:44.000 I don't like to separate each discipline, but obviously we still do that as well.

01:40:49.000 We'll do wrestling some days, a couple of days a week, and then the jiu-jitsu every morning we'll do as well.

01:40:54.000 We've got wall work sessions.

01:40:56.000 We just do everything.

01:40:57.000 And then you've got certain sessions that are like VO2max wrestling and things like that.

01:41:03.000 And these are mapped out by your coaches in advance?

01:41:05.000 Yeah.

01:41:05.000 So you know what the week is going to be like?

01:41:07.000 Yeah, pretty much the same every week.

01:41:11.000 That's the difference between now and the old days, man.

01:41:13.000 The old days, guys would just work out until they dropped. 0.94

01:41:15.000 No one knew what the fuck anybody was doing right. 0.79

01:41:18.000 Really, no one knew. 0.90

01:41:19.000 What about sparring?

01:41:21.000 What is your philosophy on sparring hard versus sparring light?

01:41:25.000 Yeah, man.

01:41:26.000 Especially Joe.

01:41:27.000 We're all about...

01:41:28.000 More technical sparring.

01:41:29.000 Obviously we have like our Saturdays is where we spar and that's a little bit more full on.

01:41:33.000 But you know, you don't get paid in the gym.

01:41:35.000 And again, if you're going balls of war every time you spar, how do you learn as well?

01:41:41.000 I believe that keeping it a little bit more chill, you can work on things.

01:41:45.000 That's why I love training with all different types of styles.

01:41:48.000 Even if I train with something that's not on my level, That's where I can learn so much as well.

01:41:52.000 That's when I can try things, right?

01:41:53.000 If you're going against someone that's better than you or just as good and you can't make any mistakes, so you're playing it safe, like in sparring every day, you know what I mean?

01:42:02.000 But again, we're all about keeping it pretty chill, especially during the week.

01:42:06.000 We spar probably anywhere from free...

01:42:09.000 Four sessions maybe, even a week, but a lot of times it's very, very, very chill, you know, very technical, we call it technical sparring.

01:42:17.000 And again, that's where you learn and that's when you, you know, I think it works.

01:42:19.000 It's been working for me.

01:42:21.000 But then our Saturdays is where we go a little bit harder, but not too hard.

01:42:25.000 So it's never like a full-on brawl?

01:42:27.000 Nah, never.

01:42:27.000 Never a full-on brawl.

01:42:29.000 That's another brilliant thing that people are learning today.

01:42:31.000 Because back in the day, everybody used to just brawl.

01:42:34.000 Yeah, man.

01:42:34.000 I mean, there's so many stories.

01:42:35.000 The best stories come out of Brazil.

01:42:37.000 The Curitiba stories from Shoot the Box.

01:42:40.000 Okay, yeah.

01:42:40.000 Those guys used to knock each other out in training and just keep training.

01:42:44.000 Wake up.

01:42:44.000 Get back in there.

01:42:45.000 Just push them back in there. 0.52

01:42:47.000 And you could just imagine, you know, it's not too good for the brain.

01:42:50.000 Terrible for the brain.

01:42:51.000 Getting punched in the head and Vegas trips, not good for the brain.

01:42:54.000 Bold things. 0.74

01:42:55.000 Bold things.

01:42:56.000 Well, listen, brother, I appreciate you coming down here, man, and talking to us.

01:43:00.000 And nothing but the best of luck to you in the future, and I really enjoy watching you fight.

01:43:04.000 Thank you.

01:43:04.000 I'm really excited to see the rematch between you and Max.

01:43:07.000 I mean, two fucking awesome guys that are great fighters. 0.91

01:43:10.000 I'm looking forward to it. 0.97

01:43:10.000 Me too. 0.97

01:43:11.000 Me too.

01:43:12.000 Let's hope it happens, and stay tuned.

01:43:14.000 I reckon we'll have something soon.

01:43:16.000 Instagram, Alex Volkanovski, Twitter, same.

01:43:21.000 Have you got a Facebook as well?

01:43:23.000 Yeah, Facebook, Alexander the Great Volkanovski, go on there.

01:43:25.000 What about, do you have a website?

01:43:27.000 We're actually doing one right now.

01:43:29.000 We are doing that one.

01:43:30.000 And yeah, stay tuned for that and I'll have all that up very soon.

01:43:33.000 All right, beautiful.

01:43:34.000 Thank you, brother.

01:43:34.000 Appreciate you, man.

01:43:35.000 Thank you.

01:43:35.000 Bye, everybody.

01:43:38.000 Oh, I've been needing to piss for a while too, eh?

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 28, 2011

JRE MMA Show #93 with Alexander Volkanovski

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