The John-Henry Westen Show - June 13, 2025


10 Years After Obergefell： Truth, Consequences & Catholic Courage


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35 minutes

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162.51892

Word Count

5,762

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341

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

58


Summary

Peter LaBarbera, founder of Americans for Truth about Homosexuality, joins us to discuss the impact of the landmark Supreme Court ruling allowing same-sex marriage in the United States, Obergefell, and the implications for gay parenting.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 We cannot hate as believers. How can we hate? We needed God's grace ourselves.
00:00:04.900 Who are we to say we're better than anybody else? However, we cannot count it in sin.
00:00:11.940 It has been 10 years since the American Supreme Court ruled in the Obergefell decision
00:00:19.020 giving homosexual marriage to the United States. And the damage? Well, you might not think there
00:00:27.200 is any, but there certainly is. We're going to talk today to the founders of Americans for Truth
00:00:33.120 about Homosexuality. Peter LaBarbera has been doing this work for decades, trying to expose the truth
00:00:39.620 behind the agenda we all know as the friendly LGBT gay pride parade or whatever you have it.
00:00:46.600 We want to talk today about what that really is. And it's very interesting right now because the
00:00:53.640 whole evil seems to be targeted only at the T of that LGBT moniker, plus the extras that I've left
00:01:04.640 out for sake of convenience. And we're going to find out why that is. Stay tuned for this episode
00:01:09.840 with Peter LaBarbera. Peter, so good to be with you. Yeah, great to be with you. Congratulations
00:01:14.440 on all you've accomplished, my friend. Praise God. Let's begin as we always do inside of the cross.
00:01:19.220 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
00:01:24.660 So Peter, it has been nearly a decade since Obergefell. And so I wanted to ask you with regard
00:01:32.640 to Obergefell, what's been the effect of this ruling on the mainstreaming of gay parenting,
00:01:41.380 the LGBT lobby going, basically they've been campaigning for a decade.
00:01:48.820 What's troubling for me anyway, and we have Doug Mainwaring at LifeSite writing on this very
00:01:54.160 frequently, is that this is mainstreamed into the conservative party. You have President Trump
00:02:00.560 extolling and going out there advocating for homosexual marriage. And that seems to be now
00:02:07.020 just part of everything. What has happened in these past 10 years and what concerns you most?
00:02:13.180 Well, I think you're spot on, John Henry. The mainstreaming of that decision effectively
00:02:22.180 said that we've got the imprimatur of the state and attaching it to something as sacred as marriage,
00:02:30.800 homosexuality. This is a behavior which in the Bible is talked about in terms of abomination.
00:02:38.240 In other words, it's reprehensible. It's talked about in the most stark terms. And yet this liberation
00:02:45.120 movement, as it was called, this gay liberation movement succeeded essentially through politics
00:02:50.460 assisted by the media of transforming this into a sort of a civil rights slash human rights issue,
00:02:59.400 which is astonishing. I think it's really one of the greatest shams of the 20th century now into the
00:03:05.460 21st century. And we've seen it affecting everything from religion, from schooling to youth. We see
00:03:14.060 these astonishing polls now where upwards of 20% and higher of young people identify in some way with
00:03:22.320 the LGBT. Now they add Q and Q plus. We don't even know what the plus fully stands for. LGBT standing
00:03:29.460 for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender. Q is for queer and questioning, John Henry. So if you're
00:03:36.300 questioning, you're part of the movement, you know? So I think the Obergefell decision did is it gave
00:03:42.280 them that aura of respectability. Leading up to that, they took down the sodomy laws in the United
00:03:48.300 States. Remember the great Antonin Scalia, justice of the Supreme Court predicted that that would lead to
00:03:54.360 the approval of legalization of so-called homosexual marriage. And I always put hope so-called because
00:04:00.120 of course it's not truly marriage, but it was the imprimatur of the state behind this lifestyle, which
00:04:06.040 of course now has these, this, a further cascading effect of, of in the, in the field of gay, like you
00:04:13.520 said, gay parenting. Whereas if you can get married, then why can't you have children? Right? And so we,
00:04:20.940 we see now many, many couples, homosexual couples adopting children and creating, uh, intentionally
00:04:28.280 motherless and fatherless homes, which is not analogous to any other situation, be they divorced
00:04:33.960 homes or single parent, single mothers, for example. We can't equate that to the intentional,
00:04:40.080 intentionally creating homes that are denying the child, either a mother or a father, which is
00:04:44.960 homosexual households. And in addition, giving those children, those captive children,
00:04:50.220 homosexual activists, let's be honest, homosexual activist role models, uh, say, you know, where
00:04:57.560 homosexual behavior itself is demonstrated as normal to those children. And so in that whole
00:05:02.700 sphere, it's, it's created the acceptance of that. But also I think the trans movement itself is,
00:05:10.740 is also a by-product of this decision in that homosexual movements, this in the, both in Canada,
00:05:16.540 of course, in the United States and Europe, once they achieved this, they needed something else to
00:05:22.480 do with their huge and well-funded organizations that basically were, uh, uh, you know, received all
00:05:28.940 the benefit of free media publicity. And where they went with it was a lot of them went to even more
00:05:35.220 radically towards pushing the transgender agenda. So rather than most organizations shutting down and
00:05:41.100 saying, well, we, we've got gay so-called marriage, you know, we're going to scale back. No, they just
00:05:46.860 pushed it further into the trans movement, which of course was also done by the media. And then that
00:05:51.900 pushed this entire movement of the, the gender ideology, which thankfully led to, I think it was a
00:06:00.640 road too far for most, most citizens, most normal everyday folks said, no, we cannot countenance
00:06:06.600 boys and girls participating in women's sport in girls and women's sports. We can't countenance
00:06:13.140 gender ideology and even gender operations being pushed on minor children and the various aspects
00:06:20.080 of the trans ideology, which have now engendered this tremendous pushback. It's the first time we've
00:06:25.940 ever seen a pushback this strong, John Henry, as you know, and this has actually helped. Ironically,
00:06:31.300 this has helped the Republicans gain power in the United States. Whereas even the Republican Party
00:06:37.740 doesn't want to talk about the gay issue anymore. They are of course using the trans issue to build
00:06:42.720 their power. And it could, if the Democrats don't relent on this issue, John Henry, this could really
00:06:48.020 be, this could create government, Republican governance for decades to come because it's appearing now that
00:06:55.840 the Democrats are, since they're moving left and they're so wedded to the transgender
00:07:01.000 LGBT movement, they don't want to pull back from that. And that's only going to help the Republicans
00:07:06.420 stay in power even longer. At the beginning of the whole move for power from the LGBT movement in the
00:07:12.680 first place, they very much distanced a group that was part and parcel of themselves, meaning
00:07:20.960 pedophiles, or as they probably like to call it, the man-boy love association. I remember when they moved
00:07:28.840 to Canada because Canada changed its sex laws to allow for a sexual activity at six, at 14 instead of
00:07:36.140 16. And so the man-boy love association headquarters came over to Canada. I remember that so well
00:07:43.060 because Bill O'Reilly had me on his show at the time and asked me who's behind this move. I told him it
00:07:50.540 was the LGBT activists and he was ripping mad because he said, you're going to blame it on the gays.
00:07:56.080 That's who it was. But it was funny that even then, way back, this is back in the 2000s,
00:08:05.280 already even O'Reilly factor was trying to be pro-gay while trying to be against the pedophilia.
00:08:13.780 They were making the big separation then. But now, of course, there's no question of that.
00:08:17.300 But I'm wondering, it's something you said right before the show started about how the
00:08:25.540 mainstream of the LGBT, the LGs, might be looking to distance themselves now from the transgenders.
00:08:34.880 Yeah. And we see that now a lot on X and some online. You see even some gay Republican groups
00:08:41.720 separating from the T, the transgender, and it's an entire movement. And, you know, I'm always happy
00:08:47.420 to see basically left-wing ideologies fighting amongst themselves. We see it on the right, of
00:08:53.840 course. But in this case, it really requires a retelling, a revisionist history to be created.
00:09:02.520 And that's what I've been busy working on, getting the real history. And you're absolutely
00:09:06.120 right, John Henry. NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association, with man-boy love
00:09:12.320 being the favored euphemism for the pro-pederasty part of the early gay liberation movement. Now,
00:09:20.540 let's remember, there is no female equivalent, I don't believe, to the word pederasty, which is kind
00:09:24.600 of odd. Why is there a word for man-boy sexual behaviors and not for women-girl, although there is
00:09:32.620 lesbian pedophilia. But NAMBLA, this sort of bizarre organization advancing the idea that
00:09:40.540 children can consent to sex with an adult man. These are boys. They marched in early gay pride
00:09:48.580 parades. I believe in Boston. I believe in L.A. I can't remember exactly which cities, but they
00:09:54.940 marched. And then, of course, the smart and savvy gay activists said, hey, we got to boot these pedophiles
00:10:00.400 out of our movement, so we're never going to get anywhere. So that sort of created this split,
00:10:05.860 and there was a schism. But in the early gay liberation movement, in the 1969 Stonewall,
00:10:14.060 there was this part of the movement was the people who advocated for sexual, quote-unquote,
00:10:20.500 relationships between men and boys. Now, you look at some of the early gay activists,
00:10:25.120 like Harvey Milk, for example. Harvey Milk had a... He was in a, quote-unquote, sexual marriage
00:10:33.260 when he was in his 30s with a kid who was a boy who was, I think, 17 years old, John Henry.
00:10:39.640 So, effectively, one of the greatest icons in gay history, Harvey Milk, who was the father of the
00:10:45.660 coming-out strategy, which was evil genius, because it said, if we tell everybody we're gay,
00:10:50.980 if I tell you, and you, and I tell all my family friends, and I come out to my co-workers and
00:10:57.380 everybody I know, then it's going to make homosexuality more, seem more like there's more
00:11:02.200 people than there are. It's going to create... People will start not wanting to criticize their
00:11:06.820 loved ones who are, unfortunately, in this lifestyle. And it was a brilliant, evil, genius
00:11:13.020 move to popularize homosexuality, which it did, and we're seeing the fruits of it today.
00:11:17.460 And, of course, now we see trans people coming out, and we're seeing pansexual people coming out,
00:11:22.360 and name your new perversion, you know, because, you know, evil begets evil, and you can't really...
00:11:27.940 I mean, if it's okay for people practicing sodomy to come out, then why isn't it okay for people
00:11:32.580 practicing, say, non-consensual polyamory, which is multiple partner sexual relationships?
00:11:39.720 There's always another one down the road, and, of course, the ultimate one is sex between adults
00:11:44.440 and children, pedophilia. But what the truth is, is that there was this man-boy-love segment of the
00:11:51.140 early gay liberation movement. And my research is uncovering... This actually dates back to even Europe,
00:11:58.620 the early gay liberation movement, which is in Germany, too. There were advocates of man-boy-love
00:12:05.120 who also considered themselves gay liberationists. And it went by different names as well in Europe
00:12:11.260 before coming here. And so we have these famous gay heroes who actually, like for another one is
00:12:18.760 Larry Kramer, who actually made these comments. For example, here's something Larry Kramer said,
00:12:23.820 and I'm going to paraphrase. He said, most gay men look fondly on their first sexual experience as a boy.
00:12:30.680 So you're telling me that most gay men, if they had a sexual relationship with a man,
00:12:37.820 they looked upon it as a good thing because it helped them form their gay identity.
00:12:42.640 These kind of quotes are rife. They're everywhere in the movement. And so to be honest, in a telling
00:12:48.160 of gay history, you have to admit that there was a large part of the movement, or at least an important
00:12:55.100 part of the movement that favored these relationships. And the pornography of that era has these man-boy
00:13:02.260 sexual eroticism was part of their early gay erotica in that era. And this can be proved by,
00:13:12.220 you know, places like Cornell University are collecting this pornography, and it's there for
00:13:17.060 the telling. But what the gay activists of today have to do is they have to cover that up. And so
00:13:23.400 there's a historian named Lillian Faderman, who's one of the top gay historians. So when she told that
00:13:29.420 Harvey Milk story, guess what she did, John Henry? There's a part of the Harvey Milk story in,
00:13:35.180 there was an honest gay journalist, Randy Schiltz. Randy Schiltz was an honest homosexual reporter,
00:13:41.100 the first major openly homosexual reporter in the United States. And he told the story of Harvey
00:13:46.580 Milk. And he said, you know, Harvey Milk, what happened when he was a boy, his mother sent him to the
00:13:51.180 theater, very naively. He was Jewish. She was a practicing Jew, sent him to the theater alone in
00:13:59.480 New York City when he was 14 years old. Well, guess what happened? He was sodomized. He was
00:14:04.320 victimized by homosexual male predators in the theater. And it was a thing that was known to happen
00:14:10.700 at the time. So how do you tell that story today and not basically admit that pederasty was part of
00:14:17.620 the formation of this gay icon's gay identity? Well, here's how you do it, John Henry. You say that
00:14:24.100 Harvey Milk saw the other men at the theater who were gay, and he realized he was like them. This is
00:14:30.320 how it's told in a book for young people, a young person's version of the Harvey Milk history.
00:14:38.140 So essentially, they're whitewashing the pederasty out of gay history, because they know they can't admit
00:14:44.700 that pederasty is part of gay history. And I believe we have to tell this entire story,
00:14:50.680 sorted as it is, because it's very much like abortion history. John Henry, if I said to you,
00:14:56.500 hey, you want to read this history of abortion by Jane Fonda? You'd say, no, I don't want the Jane
00:15:06.020 Fonda or the Gloria Steinem version of abortion history, because they're pro-abortion. That's what they
00:15:14.060 know. That's what they are. We can't trust that. So how can we trust any gay history that's basically
00:15:21.220 written by and for gay activists? And yet, in the world of gay, unlike abortion, where there is a
00:15:29.520 very much thriving counter-narrative, of which LifeSite News is probably one of the most prominent
00:15:37.680 in the world, to your credit, to your great credit, which you will be rewarded about, I hope,
00:15:43.320 when you meet Jesus, you will be rewarded for this. There is a thriving counter-narrative in the pro-life,
00:15:49.160 which is the pro-life movement, which says we're going to counter the pro-abortion narrative.
00:15:53.940 However, in the gay world, because opposition to homosexuality has been so difficult, and again,
00:16:00.620 LifeSite is to be credited for never compromising in that area, but so many have,
00:16:04.880 as we both know, in the conservative movement. So the problem we face is that there are so few
00:16:10.920 people who even know this history, much less are telling it, that we face a David and Goliath
00:16:18.660 struggle against the massive gay propaganda organ, which is big gay, which is intellectual,
00:16:25.580 the universities, the media, even the conservative world, as you alluded to earlier,
00:16:31.500 has gone gay. I mean, Donald Trump's wife raised money for the law cabinet Republicans,
00:16:36.600 which is the most prominent gay Republican group in this electoral cycle. So obviously, even MAGA,
00:16:44.140 you know, which I guess I'm part of it because I voted for Donald Trump. I don't support everything
00:16:48.380 they do, but MAGA felt it was, the Trumps felt it was okay to raise funds for the leading gay
00:16:54.280 Republican group in the middle of the most important campaign that we ever saw for US presidents. So
00:17:01.400 we have a huge David and Goliath struggle, but if God is my witness, I'm going to try to do as much
00:17:08.540 as I can because I believe we have to recover this lost history. Otherwise, we're living a lie. And the lie
00:17:16.040 is this, that this evil transgender movement somehow just in the, I guess in the early, you know, in the
00:17:24.380 2010s, John Henry, just sprang out of nowhere. This evil transgender ideology that is, that is diabolical
00:17:32.000 and harming children. And we don't know where it really came from. It just kind of sprang into existence.
00:17:38.120 Whereas we know the truth, it sprang into existence from an evil gay liberation movement,
00:17:44.480 which was all about normalizing sodomy, or as the Brits called it, buggery,
00:17:50.600 deviant sex, not as God intended. God created male and female. He created men to be in sexual
00:17:58.260 relationships in marriage with their wives for the procreation of children. That's what creation is.
00:18:06.160 And so two guys, two dudes, or two women in a marriage relationship is counter nature, of course,
00:18:15.000 because nature discriminates against homosexual behavior. But of course, God created nature. So
00:18:19.480 it's a movement which is diabolically against God as well. And it may, of course, be politically
00:18:26.760 incorrect for this gay liberation movement to admit that there was a vast pederasty movement that was
00:18:33.680 a part of it. But that's the truth. That's what it is. Pope Pius XI said, men must look for the peace of
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00:18:47.600 so that individuals and states would submit once more to the rule of their Savior. And that is why
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00:19:08.580 When you talk about the crushing of dissent on this thing, there is sort of a hero in the movement
00:19:18.080 who fought for traditional marriage, for against the homosexual agenda in schools and everywhere else.
00:19:25.780 And you've been around in this movement for decades now. Tell us about Anita Bryant.
00:19:31.380 Thank you for this opportunity. Anita Bryant, here's a book by her. I would put her on a pedestal
00:19:36.740 with the great Phyllis Schlafly. She's evangelical Christian. Phyllis Schlafly was a Catholic.
00:19:42.420 But these were two incredibly strong women who fought against the big evils of our time.
00:19:51.280 And what Anita Bryant did was she, first of all, who was Anita Bryant? She was a beauty queen. She was,
00:19:59.040 I think, Miss America running up in the 60s and 70s. And she became the superstar. She was a singer.
00:20:06.260 She was a very popular singer. She was one of the most respected American women of that era.
00:20:13.440 And so much so that Bob Hope, for example, took her on USO tours to sing to the troops. She was a
00:20:19.160 superstar, John Henry. I don't think I even know how great she was in that respect. But she did achieve
00:20:25.080 this fame and fortune. She was a spokeswoman for Florida Citrus. And she basically helped mainstream
00:20:31.320 the Florida orange industry. What she did was she found out in 1977 that Miami-Dade County in Florida
00:20:41.980 had passed a, without hardly anybody knowing, passed a non-discrimination homosexual law,
00:20:50.500 which they discovered, and this is rarely reported in the media accounts of it now,
00:20:55.980 a gay rights law, as so-called, which would have affected Catholic and Christian and private schools
00:21:05.100 by forbidding them from discriminating, for example, in the hiring of teachers. Well, that means that,
00:21:12.140 say, a Catholic school or a Christian school could be forced to employ a teacher who was openly in a
00:21:20.520 homosexual relationship and could basically propagandize or indoctrinate her students into
00:21:25.600 the acceptance of that lifestyle. So Anita Bryant, this famous celebrity, joined with the Catholic
00:21:33.220 Church and other concerned pro-family advocates and lent her name and her prestige to this fight to
00:21:41.360 overturn this law in Miami-Dade County, which they did by a whopping 70%. Well, it wasn't even close.
00:21:50.520 And the real issue was religious freedom because they recognized that this, you cannot be forced to
00:21:55.960 place homosexual advocates or homosexuals, open homosexuals, into child advocacy positions or, you know,
00:22:03.260 jobs especially, where they can interact and propagandize, or worse, to students. So what happened? The local
00:22:11.980 gay activists in Florida, and then it grew to the entire nation, set upon a strategy of demonizing
00:22:19.080 Anita Bryant. They just demonized her to build their power. And even though they lost going down,
00:22:24.960 they effectively destroyed her career. They held protests everywhere she went. Even when her family
00:22:31.220 went on a vacation to try to get away from it, they would show up, they would find out where she was
00:22:35.740 vacationing and protest there. They engage in economic terrorism against, for example, Florida orange
00:22:41.380 juice. They would destroy orange products in a grocery store. I learned this just researching a gay
00:22:47.480 activist who was proud of it. He admitted it, you know. It was awful, but they took down her career.
00:22:53.220 And here's what's so, I think, impressive about Anita Bryant. She says in her book, and her, you know,
00:22:59.460 her, imagine she's got a family, she's, she's got this career. She said, if they thought that I,
00:23:07.040 if facing a choice between defending God's values and saving my career, I would choose my career,
00:23:15.940 they thought wrong. Now, John Henry, we've been around a lot of people in this business. We both
00:23:21.760 know that there are precious few business people, businessmen who will choose to defend the truth on
00:23:30.120 homosexuality as opposed to, even if it might affect their business. Very, very few. And here's this
00:23:35.720 woman who gave it all up because they destroyed her. Because what happened was, because of all
00:23:40.880 these protests, wherever she went, and they would also crash her, her events. She'd have a concert,
00:23:46.360 and they would stand up in the middle of the concert and start shouting. Because of these protests,
00:23:51.120 she became too controversial to employ it. They said, oh, this is too much for us. And they started
00:23:56.700 dropping her. They dropped her bookings. Ultimately, she lost Florida Citrus Commission and her
00:24:01.980 sponsorships. She lost almost everything. And then she got divorced. I can imagine all the effect of
00:24:07.800 this on her marriage. And she was ruined. Her career was ruined. And this is why I consider her
00:24:14.740 one of the great heroes. Because after she helped defeat the gay rights law in Miami-Dade, several other
00:24:23.180 gay rights laws were defeated. And I think had the pro-family world rallied around her better
00:24:28.420 and protected her. Maybe the whole movement, this whole development of gay power in the United States
00:24:36.760 and Canada would have changed. But she gave it up. And she said, even at the end, that she made the
00:24:42.700 right decision in defending against that law. Peter, what's caused you to stick with this fight all
00:24:48.260 these years? You've been and seen this movement grow and grow, despite the best efforts of so many
00:24:54.180 in the movement who were trying to fight, especially the heroes. Just like in the pro-life movement,
00:25:02.680 sometimes the greatest heroes are those who have been there, done that, and come out of having an
00:25:07.580 abortion and go and tell their stories. Our Doug Mainwaring, a real warrior on this, is such because
00:25:13.540 he came out of the lifestyle himself. And he knows the harm that it causes, the harm that it causes
00:25:20.200 family, the harm that it causes friends, the harm that it causes your body, and the harm that it
00:25:25.120 causes to souls. And so he's a hero because he fights it from knowing. And he's been doing it for
00:25:31.660 decades and continues to, as you have. What's your motivation to stick with it, despite this
00:25:36.620 hard fight that seems always like it's losing? I'm one of those guys, my first boss, I worked in the
00:25:41.740 conservative movement since graduating from University of Michigan in the 80s. And my first boss was
00:25:47.660 Reed Irvine, and he was one of those guys who would stick, he had accurate, he founded accuracy in
00:25:52.400 media. He fought media bias before it was cool. And he was, he stuck to it. You know, sort of like
00:25:59.620 you guys at LifeSite, you guys have stuck to it. And I'm just that kind of a guy. If it's the truth,
00:26:04.860 I'm not going to abandon the truth for convenience or even, you know, it's just not who I am. It's not
00:26:11.700 who you are. And so I basically became an evangelical Christian after college. And after communism sort
00:26:20.220 of fell, I was fighting, writing against communism. I went to Central America and wrote about the
00:26:26.200 Sandinistas, which was a Marxist group, which at the time they lost an election. We were there,
00:26:31.940 they lost an election to pro-democratic forces. Later, they grabbed power back. But communism at that
00:26:37.420 time had fallen, sort of, we thought it was gone, but it's, of course, coming back now. I was
00:26:42.520 wondering, well, you know, what am I going to do? It came in. And I ended up working for Concerned
00:26:47.060 Women for America, which was a group founded by Beverly LaHaye. And she had me write an article
00:26:51.340 about the homosexual movement, which was kind of growing in power. This is the early 90s.
00:26:56.140 And so I started, I'm a reporter by trade, so I training. And I said, if I'm going to write about
00:27:02.280 this, I got to go to the source. I want to read the homosexual literature. And that was my
00:27:06.340 downfall, as it were, because once I started researching this, I would go to the gay bookstore
00:27:10.920 in DC. And that was when the gay bookstores were necessary. They're not really needed anymore,
00:27:15.380 because all the bookstores are gay bookstores, right? Borders is a gay bookstore. You don't
00:27:19.720 need a special one anymore, because, hey, it's all mainstream. I would get the, I would read about it.
00:27:24.880 And I started seeing, wow, this is an incredibly powerful movement. It's just, it's building and
00:27:30.460 building and it's coming like a freight train. And nobody really knows what the actual truth is
00:27:36.060 about it. And I worked with great people. I don't know if you remember Father John Harvey,
00:27:41.060 great man. He was one of those heroes. I, and I built connections. I just started basically
00:27:46.560 realizing that I had to devote myself to this fight because it's sort of one that a lot of
00:27:51.600 people don't want to, they sort of, they agree with it. I would say the typical attitude is people
00:27:56.900 who would pull you aside and say, John Henry, I agree with you on this homosexuality thing,
00:28:01.700 but I just can't, I just can't make it the main issue. Well, if you have that times a million,
00:28:07.400 you have a very troubled movement because unlike the pro-life movement, where the average pro-lifer is
00:28:11.800 like, heck yes, I'm going to fight for unborn children. I mean, I personally have a Down syndrome
00:28:16.060 brother. I know what abortion is. It's, it's eliminating people for convenience sake. And
00:28:22.060 unfortunately, Down's kids often are considered inconvenient and out they go. And my brother has
00:28:28.300 been an incredible blessing to me and our family. He's like, almost like an angel of God.
00:28:33.880 Unlike the pro-life movement, where most pro-lifers can articulate easily, some better than others,
00:28:40.540 you know, why we must defend the most innocent and defenseless amongst us, you know, who are being
00:28:46.660 victimized basically because of, you know, like I said, mostly for convenience sake, although there are
00:28:51.700 harder cases as well. The homosexual issue is, doesn't have so much feel goods. Usually it's an
00:28:58.020 alien issue. And then many times now we see, as I alluded to earlier, the coming out strategy,
00:29:03.840 this idea that we, we, we all know somebody who's gay. And so that made it, makes it people feel like,
00:29:09.100 well, I can't really talk about it because I have a cousin or I have a brother, I have a son who's,
00:29:15.760 who's gay. And so I can't talk about it. That's called jamming, by the way, a gay activist strategy.
00:29:21.400 When you, when you feel like you can't talk about the truth, you're, you're effectively jammed.
00:29:25.700 And that, that was a conscious strategy developed by these guys, uh, in a book called after the ball,
00:29:30.980 for whatever reason, most people don't want to talk forthrightly or directly about this issue.
00:29:37.680 And so I felt this needed to be defended. And so I started back in the nineties with the thing,
00:29:41.680 Paul, uh, my publication called the Lambda report. Uh, we broke a big story about pedophilia.
00:29:47.440 We found out that, uh, major international organization had pedophile groups as its members.
00:29:53.580 And so that led to passage of a law, which bans, um, uh, band giving us taxpayer dollars to any
00:30:00.020 organization that had pedophile groups, pedophile advocates, you know, as members ever since that
00:30:05.820 time, I basically don't feel I can quit because the other side doesn't just not quit, but it continues
00:30:12.640 to grow and grow. And as I said earlier, they've got these groups, which are multimillion dollar
00:30:18.680 organizations. The CEOs are making goodness over, you know, 400,000 plus dollars and to promote
00:30:27.440 immorality as a profession. And if those groups exist and they're not being diminished, they're
00:30:34.260 only growing and they have the media at their side that the power of the media with them, because
00:30:37.820 the media is effectively a part of the homosexual activist, transgender activist movement that I feel
00:30:44.140 like, how can I step away? How can life site quit this struggle? If the other side is moving ahead
00:30:53.580 with such demonic power for us anyway, it's always been so easy to talk about because we come at things
00:31:01.120 from a Catholic or Christian perspective. And from that perspective, it's all about love. I love my
00:31:07.140 brothers and sisters who are trapped in homosexual lifestyle enough to tell them this behavior hurts
00:31:11.700 you. And it hurts your body and it hurts your mind and it hurts your soul. And the last thing I want
00:31:17.420 to see happen to you is that you're separated from God for eternity. And so, yeah, it might,
00:31:23.060 might be unpopular. It might, might be condemned by a lot of people, but I love you enough to tell you
00:31:28.780 anyway. And so that's, you know, I think when the motivation is still love, even though in the pro-life
00:31:36.020 movement, it's more clear because there's a victim that everybody can tell is a victim. And yet with
00:31:41.360 homosexuality, it's like, you can't say there's an actual victim. There is anyway. The victim is,
00:31:46.940 this is all those were duped into this lifestyle. Remember the AIDS plague. This was tied directly
00:31:54.180 to homosexual practice. And today, I don't think there's probably one in a hundred conservative
00:32:00.320 people under 30 who even know what, what happened. Literally tens of thousands of self-identified gay
00:32:08.060 men, some weren't self-identified, died in the prime of their life from practicing not justice,
00:32:15.760 but it was a factor, penetrative homosexual sodomy, you know, led to these men being wiped
00:32:22.640 out. And of course, you're absolutely right, physically, of course, but our souls, you're
00:32:28.540 absolutely right. We have to love people enough to tell them the truth. And I've had the privilege
00:32:32.400 of getting to know many people like Doug, many people who've come out of homosexuality and the
00:32:38.520 idea that you are somehow intrinsically gay by identity or transgender or name your perversion
00:32:47.020 identity, because now there's literally dozens and dozens, because if you have to accept one
00:32:52.060 aberrant lifestyle, well, why not, not, why not 50? How can the person who says that homosexuality is
00:32:58.980 okay, normal? How can they deny the polyamorous or the pansexual or the non-binary? Deviance begets
00:33:06.640 deviance. And so we have to love them. We cannot hate as believers. How can we hate? We needed God's
00:33:15.660 grace ourselves. Who are we to say we're better than anybody else? However, we cannot count it in sin.
00:33:21.280 And we certainly cannot count it in sin attached to a core identity when our identity is in Christ.
00:33:27.140 And we can't allow marriage to be commingled and identified with something that God calls
00:33:34.820 an abomination, which is translated as detestable. We must remember that it was a taboo. It was,
00:33:40.260 it was something abhorrent. And I got handed to the Catholic church. The Catholic church pronounces
00:33:46.560 that in its teachings. The sad part is so many Catholics don't even know the teaching of the
00:33:51.540 church on this issue. Well, lots of work to do still. And, uh, you know, the battle in the end
00:33:57.500 is the Lord's and we're called to be foot soldiers in it, trying to do our best. But, uh, Peter, thank
00:34:02.780 you for your great work. Keep doing it. And it's still beautiful. And it continues because you do it
00:34:08.100 out of love. And that, that is really the only way to go. And it's also the answer to those who think,
00:34:14.400 oh, you're a hater. Well, actually, if I was such a hater, I wouldn't care about these guys,
00:34:18.960 but we do. When they call me a hater, I ask them, do you, do you hate me? And sometimes they're
00:34:23.780 honestly, yeah, I hate you, but you don't hate me. I don't hate you. We can disagree on morality,
00:34:29.320 but you're absolutely right about the number one focus of our work is it's the souls of people. And
00:34:34.000 so many are jeopardized when we see one in five young people and more identifying as LGBT.
00:34:40.000 That is a national crisis, which I think politicians and faith leaders need to talk about more when
00:34:47.480 these so many young people are confused about something so important. We need to step up our
00:34:53.120 game. Peter LaBarbera, thank you so very much. God bless you. Thank you. God bless you. And thank
00:34:57.720 you for all your great work, John Henry. And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.
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