The John-Henry Westen Show - 10 Years After Obergefell： Truth, Consequences & Catholic Courage

00:00:00.000 We cannot hate as believers. How can we hate? We needed God's grace ourselves.

00:00:04.900 Who are we to say we're better than anybody else? However, we cannot count it in sin.

00:00:11.940 It has been 10 years since the American Supreme Court ruled in the Obergefell decision

00:00:19.020 giving homosexual marriage to the United States. And the damage? Well, you might not think there 0.97

00:00:27.200 is any, but there certainly is. We're going to talk today to the founders of Americans for Truth

00:00:33.120 about Homosexuality. Peter LaBarbera has been doing this work for decades, trying to expose the truth 0.87

00:00:39.620 behind the agenda we all know as the friendly LGBT gay pride parade or whatever you have it.

00:00:46.600 We want to talk today about what that really is. And it's very interesting right now because the

00:00:53.640 whole evil seems to be targeted only at the T of that LGBT moniker, plus the extras that I've left 0.99

00:01:04.640 out for sake of convenience. And we're going to find out why that is. Stay tuned for this episode

00:01:09.840 with Peter LaBarbera. Peter, so good to be with you. Yeah, great to be with you. Congratulations

00:01:14.440 on all you've accomplished, my friend. Praise God. Let's begin as we always do inside of the cross.

00:01:19.220 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:01:24.660 So Peter, it has been nearly a decade since Obergefell. And so I wanted to ask you with regard

00:01:32.640 to Obergefell, what's been the effect of this ruling on the mainstreaming of gay parenting,

00:01:41.380 the LGBT lobby going, basically they've been campaigning for a decade.

00:01:48.820 What's troubling for me anyway, and we have Doug Mainwaring at LifeSite writing on this very

00:01:54.160 frequently, is that this is mainstreamed into the conservative party. You have President Trump

00:02:00.560 extolling and going out there advocating for homosexual marriage. And that seems to be now 0.89

00:02:07.020 just part of everything. What has happened in these past 10 years and what concerns you most?

00:02:13.180 Well, I think you're spot on, John Henry. The mainstreaming of that decision effectively

00:02:22.180 said that we've got the imprimatur of the state and attaching it to something as sacred as marriage,

00:02:30.800 homosexuality. This is a behavior which in the Bible is talked about in terms of abomination.

00:02:38.240 In other words, it's reprehensible. It's talked about in the most stark terms. And yet this liberation

00:02:45.120 movement, as it was called, this gay liberation movement succeeded essentially through politics

00:02:50.460 assisted by the media of transforming this into a sort of a civil rights slash human rights issue,

00:02:59.400 which is astonishing. I think it's really one of the greatest shams of the 20th century now into the 1.00

00:03:05.460 21st century. And we've seen it affecting everything from religion, from schooling to youth. We see

00:03:14.060 these astonishing polls now where upwards of 20% and higher of young people identify in some way with

00:03:22.320 the LGBT. Now they add Q and Q plus. We don't even know what the plus fully stands for. LGBT standing

00:03:29.460 for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender. Q is for queer and questioning, John Henry. So if you're 0.97

00:03:36.300 questioning, you're part of the movement, you know? So I think the Obergefell decision did is it gave

00:03:42.280 them that aura of respectability. Leading up to that, they took down the sodomy laws in the United

00:03:48.300 States. Remember the great Antonin Scalia, justice of the Supreme Court predicted that that would lead to

00:03:54.360 the approval of legalization of so-called homosexual marriage. And I always put hope so-called because 0.99

00:04:00.120 of course it's not truly marriage, but it was the imprimatur of the state behind this lifestyle, which 0.54

00:04:06.040 of course now has these, this, a further cascading effect of, of in the, in the field of gay, like you 0.98

00:04:13.520 said, gay parenting. Whereas if you can get married, then why can't you have children? Right? And so we,

00:04:20.940 we see now many, many couples, homosexual couples adopting children and creating, uh, intentionally 1.00

00:04:28.280 motherless and fatherless homes, which is not analogous to any other situation, be they divorced

00:04:33.960 homes or single parent, single mothers, for example. We can't equate that to the intentional,

00:04:40.080 intentionally creating homes that are denying the child, either a mother or a father, which is

00:04:44.960 homosexual households. And in addition, giving those children, those captive children, 0.95

00:04:50.220 homosexual activists, let's be honest, homosexual activist role models, uh, say, you know, where

00:04:57.560 homosexual behavior itself is demonstrated as normal to those children. And so in that whole 0.68

00:05:02.700 sphere, it's, it's created the acceptance of that. But also I think the trans movement itself is,

00:05:10.740 is also a by-product of this decision in that homosexual movements, this in the, both in Canada,

00:05:16.540 of course, in the United States and Europe, once they achieved this, they needed something else to

00:05:22.480 do with their huge and well-funded organizations that basically were, uh, uh, you know, received all

00:05:28.940 the benefit of free media publicity. And where they went with it was a lot of them went to even more

00:05:35.220 radically towards pushing the transgender agenda. So rather than most organizations shutting down and

00:05:41.100 saying, well, we, we've got gay so-called marriage, you know, we're going to scale back. No, they just 1.00

00:05:46.860 pushed it further into the trans movement, which of course was also done by the media. And then that

00:05:51.900 pushed this entire movement of the, the gender ideology, which thankfully led to, I think it was a 0.73

00:06:00.640 road too far for most, most citizens, most normal everyday folks said, no, we cannot countenance

00:06:06.600 boys and girls participating in women's sport in girls and women's sports. We can't countenance 1.00

00:06:13.140 gender ideology and even gender operations being pushed on minor children and the various aspects

00:06:20.080 of the trans ideology, which have now engendered this tremendous pushback. It's the first time we've

00:06:25.940 ever seen a pushback this strong, John Henry, as you know, and this has actually helped. Ironically,

00:06:31.300 this has helped the Republicans gain power in the United States. Whereas even the Republican Party

00:06:37.740 doesn't want to talk about the gay issue anymore. They are of course using the trans issue to build 0.99

00:06:42.720 their power. And it could, if the Democrats don't relent on this issue, John Henry, this could really

00:06:48.020 be, this could create government, Republican governance for decades to come because it's appearing now that

00:06:55.840 the Democrats are, since they're moving left and they're so wedded to the transgender 0.99

00:07:01.000 LGBT movement, they don't want to pull back from that. And that's only going to help the Republicans 1.00

00:07:06.420 stay in power even longer. At the beginning of the whole move for power from the LGBT movement in the 1.00

00:07:12.680 first place, they very much distanced a group that was part and parcel of themselves, meaning

00:07:20.960 pedophiles, or as they probably like to call it, the man-boy love association. I remember when they moved

00:07:28.840 to Canada because Canada changed its sex laws to allow for a sexual activity at six, at 14 instead of

00:07:36.140 16. And so the man-boy love association headquarters came over to Canada. I remember that so well

00:07:43.060 because Bill O'Reilly had me on his show at the time and asked me who's behind this move. I told him it

00:07:50.540 was the LGBT activists and he was ripping mad because he said, you're going to blame it on the gays. 0.86

00:07:56.080 That's who it was. But it was funny that even then, way back, this is back in the 2000s,

00:08:05.280 already even O'Reilly factor was trying to be pro-gay while trying to be against the pedophilia.

00:08:13.780 They were making the big separation then. But now, of course, there's no question of that.

00:08:17.300 But I'm wondering, it's something you said right before the show started about how the

00:08:25.540 mainstream of the LGBT, the LGs, might be looking to distance themselves now from the transgenders.

00:08:34.880 Yeah. And we see that now a lot on X and some online. You see even some gay Republican groups

00:08:41.720 separating from the T, the transgender, and it's an entire movement. And, you know, I'm always happy 1.00

00:08:47.420 to see basically left-wing ideologies fighting amongst themselves. We see it on the right, of

00:08:53.840 course. But in this case, it really requires a retelling, a revisionist history to be created.

00:09:02.520 And that's what I've been busy working on, getting the real history. And you're absolutely

00:09:06.120 right, John Henry. NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association, with man-boy love

00:09:12.320 being the favored euphemism for the pro-pederasty part of the early gay liberation movement. Now,

00:09:20.540 let's remember, there is no female equivalent, I don't believe, to the word pederasty, which is kind

00:09:24.600 of odd. Why is there a word for man-boy sexual behaviors and not for women-girl, although there is

00:09:32.620 lesbian pedophilia. But NAMBLA, this sort of bizarre organization advancing the idea that 0.92

00:09:40.540 children can consent to sex with an adult man. These are boys. They marched in early gay pride 0.94

00:09:48.580 parades. I believe in Boston. I believe in L.A. I can't remember exactly which cities, but they

00:09:54.940 marched. And then, of course, the smart and savvy gay activists said, hey, we got to boot these pedophiles 0.99

00:10:00.400 out of our movement, so we're never going to get anywhere. So that sort of created this split, 0.96

00:10:05.860 and there was a schism. But in the early gay liberation movement, in the 1969 Stonewall,

00:10:14.060 there was this part of the movement was the people who advocated for sexual, quote-unquote,

00:10:20.500 relationships between men and boys. Now, you look at some of the early gay activists,

00:10:25.120 like Harvey Milk, for example. Harvey Milk had a... He was in a, quote-unquote, sexual marriage

00:10:33.260 when he was in his 30s with a kid who was a boy who was, I think, 17 years old, John Henry.

00:10:39.640 So, effectively, one of the greatest icons in gay history, Harvey Milk, who was the father of the

00:10:45.660 coming-out strategy, which was evil genius, because it said, if we tell everybody we're gay, 0.66

00:10:50.980 if I tell you, and you, and I tell all my family friends, and I come out to my co-workers and

00:10:57.380 everybody I know, then it's going to make homosexuality more, seem more like there's more 1.00

00:11:02.200 people than there are. It's going to create... People will start not wanting to criticize their

00:11:06.820 loved ones who are, unfortunately, in this lifestyle. And it was a brilliant, evil, genius

00:11:13.020 move to popularize homosexuality, which it did, and we're seeing the fruits of it today. 0.99

00:11:17.460 And, of course, now we see trans people coming out, and we're seeing pansexual people coming out,

00:11:22.360 and name your new perversion, you know, because, you know, evil begets evil, and you can't really... 0.93

00:11:27.940 I mean, if it's okay for people practicing sodomy to come out, then why isn't it okay for people

00:11:32.580 practicing, say, non-consensual polyamory, which is multiple partner sexual relationships?

00:11:39.720 There's always another one down the road, and, of course, the ultimate one is sex between adults 0.83

00:11:44.440 and children, pedophilia. But what the truth is, is that there was this man-boy-love segment of the

00:11:51.140 early gay liberation movement. And my research is uncovering... This actually dates back to even Europe,

00:11:58.620 the early gay liberation movement, which is in Germany, too. There were advocates of man-boy-love

00:12:05.120 who also considered themselves gay liberationists. And it went by different names as well in Europe

00:12:11.260 before coming here. And so we have these famous gay heroes who actually, like for another one is

00:12:18.760 Larry Kramer, who actually made these comments. For example, here's something Larry Kramer said,

00:12:23.820 and I'm going to paraphrase. He said, most gay men look fondly on their first sexual experience as a boy. 0.97

00:12:30.680 So you're telling me that most gay men, if they had a sexual relationship with a man, 0.59

00:12:37.820 they looked upon it as a good thing because it helped them form their gay identity.

00:12:42.640 These kind of quotes are rife. They're everywhere in the movement. And so to be honest, in a telling

00:12:48.160 of gay history, you have to admit that there was a large part of the movement, or at least an important

00:12:55.100 part of the movement that favored these relationships. And the pornography of that era has these man-boy

00:13:02.260 sexual eroticism was part of their early gay erotica in that era. And this can be proved by, 0.77

00:13:12.220 you know, places like Cornell University are collecting this pornography, and it's there for

00:13:17.060 the telling. But what the gay activists of today have to do is they have to cover that up. And so 0.93

00:13:23.400 there's a historian named Lillian Faderman, who's one of the top gay historians. So when she told that

00:13:29.420 Harvey Milk story, guess what she did, John Henry? There's a part of the Harvey Milk story in,

00:13:35.180 there was an honest gay journalist, Randy Schiltz. Randy Schiltz was an honest homosexual reporter, 0.50

00:13:41.100 the first major openly homosexual reporter in the United States. And he told the story of Harvey

00:13:46.580 Milk. And he said, you know, Harvey Milk, what happened when he was a boy, his mother sent him to the

00:13:51.180 theater, very naively. He was Jewish. She was a practicing Jew, sent him to the theater alone in 0.83

00:13:59.480 New York City when he was 14 years old. Well, guess what happened? He was sodomized. He was

00:14:04.320 victimized by homosexual male predators in the theater. And it was a thing that was known to happen 0.98

00:14:10.700 at the time. So how do you tell that story today and not basically admit that pederasty was part of

00:14:17.620 the formation of this gay icon's gay identity? Well, here's how you do it, John Henry. You say that

00:14:24.100 Harvey Milk saw the other men at the theater who were gay, and he realized he was like them. This is 0.90

00:14:30.320 how it's told in a book for young people, a young person's version of the Harvey Milk history.

00:14:38.140 So essentially, they're whitewashing the pederasty out of gay history, because they know they can't admit 1.00

00:14:44.700 that pederasty is part of gay history. And I believe we have to tell this entire story,

00:14:50.680 sorted as it is, because it's very much like abortion history. John Henry, if I said to you,

00:14:56.500 hey, you want to read this history of abortion by Jane Fonda? You'd say, no, I don't want the Jane

00:15:06.020 Fonda or the Gloria Steinem version of abortion history, because they're pro-abortion. That's what they 0.63

00:15:14.060 know. That's what they are. We can't trust that. So how can we trust any gay history that's basically 1.00

00:15:21.220 written by and for gay activists? And yet, in the world of gay, unlike abortion, where there is a

00:15:29.520 very much thriving counter-narrative, of which LifeSite News is probably one of the most prominent

00:15:37.680 in the world, to your credit, to your great credit, which you will be rewarded about, I hope,

00:15:43.320 when you meet Jesus, you will be rewarded for this. There is a thriving counter-narrative in the pro-life,

00:15:49.160 which is the pro-life movement, which says we're going to counter the pro-abortion narrative.

00:15:53.940 However, in the gay world, because opposition to homosexuality has been so difficult, and again,

00:16:00.620 LifeSite is to be credited for never compromising in that area, but so many have,

00:16:04.880 as we both know, in the conservative movement. So the problem we face is that there are so few

00:16:10.920 people who even know this history, much less are telling it, that we face a David and Goliath

00:16:18.660 struggle against the massive gay propaganda organ, which is big gay, which is intellectual, 0.95

00:16:25.580 the universities, the media, even the conservative world, as you alluded to earlier, 0.93

00:16:31.500 has gone gay. I mean, Donald Trump's wife raised money for the law cabinet Republicans, 0.75

00:16:36.600 which is the most prominent gay Republican group in this electoral cycle. So obviously, even MAGA,

00:16:44.140 you know, which I guess I'm part of it because I voted for Donald Trump. I don't support everything

00:16:48.380 they do, but MAGA felt it was, the Trumps felt it was okay to raise funds for the leading gay 0.99

00:16:54.280 Republican group in the middle of the most important campaign that we ever saw for US presidents. So

00:17:01.400 we have a huge David and Goliath struggle, but if God is my witness, I'm going to try to do as much

00:17:08.540 as I can because I believe we have to recover this lost history. Otherwise, we're living a lie. And the lie

00:17:16.040 is this, that this evil transgender movement somehow just in the, I guess in the early, you know, in the 1.00

00:17:24.380 2010s, John Henry, just sprang out of nowhere. This evil transgender ideology that is, that is diabolical 1.00

00:17:32.000 and harming children. And we don't know where it really came from. It just kind of sprang into existence. 1.00

00:17:38.120 Whereas we know the truth, it sprang into existence from an evil gay liberation movement, 1.00

00:17:44.480 which was all about normalizing sodomy, or as the Brits called it, buggery, 0.99

00:17:50.600 deviant sex, not as God intended. God created male and female. He created men to be in sexual 0.99

00:17:58.260 relationships in marriage with their wives for the procreation of children. That's what creation is. 0.87

00:18:06.160 And so two guys, two dudes, or two women in a marriage relationship is counter nature, of course,

00:18:15.000 because nature discriminates against homosexual behavior. But of course, God created nature. So

00:18:19.480 it's a movement which is diabolically against God as well. And it may, of course, be politically

00:18:26.760 incorrect for this gay liberation movement to admit that there was a vast pederasty movement that was 0.68

00:18:33.680 a part of it. But that's the truth. That's what it is. Pope Pius XI said, men must look for the peace of

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00:19:08.580 When you talk about the crushing of dissent on this thing, there is sort of a hero in the movement

00:19:18.080 who fought for traditional marriage, for against the homosexual agenda in schools and everywhere else.

00:19:25.780 And you've been around in this movement for decades now. Tell us about Anita Bryant.

00:19:31.380 Thank you for this opportunity. Anita Bryant, here's a book by her. I would put her on a pedestal

00:19:36.740 with the great Phyllis Schlafly. She's evangelical Christian. Phyllis Schlafly was a Catholic.

00:19:42.420 But these were two incredibly strong women who fought against the big evils of our time. 0.96

00:19:51.280 And what Anita Bryant did was she, first of all, who was Anita Bryant? She was a beauty queen. She was, 1.00

00:19:59.040 I think, Miss America running up in the 60s and 70s. And she became the superstar. She was a singer.

00:20:06.260 She was a very popular singer. She was one of the most respected American women of that era.

00:20:13.440 And so much so that Bob Hope, for example, took her on USO tours to sing to the troops. She was a

00:20:19.160 superstar, John Henry. I don't think I even know how great she was in that respect. But she did achieve

00:20:25.080 this fame and fortune. She was a spokeswoman for Florida Citrus. And she basically helped mainstream 0.98

00:20:31.320 the Florida orange industry. What she did was she found out in 1977 that Miami-Dade County in Florida

00:20:41.980 had passed a, without hardly anybody knowing, passed a non-discrimination homosexual law,

00:20:50.500 which they discovered, and this is rarely reported in the media accounts of it now,

00:20:55.980 a gay rights law, as so-called, which would have affected Catholic and Christian and private schools

00:21:05.100 by forbidding them from discriminating, for example, in the hiring of teachers. Well, that means that,

00:21:12.140 say, a Catholic school or a Christian school could be forced to employ a teacher who was openly in a 1.00

00:21:20.520 homosexual relationship and could basically propagandize or indoctrinate her students into 1.00

00:21:25.600 the acceptance of that lifestyle. So Anita Bryant, this famous celebrity, joined with the Catholic 0.65

00:21:33.220 Church and other concerned pro-family advocates and lent her name and her prestige to this fight to

00:21:41.360 overturn this law in Miami-Dade County, which they did by a whopping 70%. Well, it wasn't even close.

00:21:50.520 And the real issue was religious freedom because they recognized that this, you cannot be forced to

00:21:55.960 place homosexual advocates or homosexuals, open homosexuals, into child advocacy positions or, you know, 0.96

00:22:03.260 jobs especially, where they can interact and propagandize, or worse, to students. So what happened? The local 0.97

00:22:11.980 gay activists in Florida, and then it grew to the entire nation, set upon a strategy of demonizing 0.99

00:22:19.080 Anita Bryant. They just demonized her to build their power. And even though they lost going down,

00:22:24.960 they effectively destroyed her career. They held protests everywhere she went. Even when her family

00:22:31.220 went on a vacation to try to get away from it, they would show up, they would find out where she was

00:22:35.740 vacationing and protest there. They engage in economic terrorism against, for example, Florida orange

00:22:41.380 juice. They would destroy orange products in a grocery store. I learned this just researching a gay 1.00

00:22:47.480 activist who was proud of it. He admitted it, you know. It was awful, but they took down her career.

00:22:53.220 And here's what's so, I think, impressive about Anita Bryant. She says in her book, and her, you know, 1.00

00:22:59.460 her, imagine she's got a family, she's, she's got this career. She said, if they thought that I,

00:23:07.040 if facing a choice between defending God's values and saving my career, I would choose my career,

00:23:15.940 they thought wrong. Now, John Henry, we've been around a lot of people in this business. We both

00:23:21.760 know that there are precious few business people, businessmen who will choose to defend the truth on

00:23:30.120 homosexuality as opposed to, even if it might affect their business. Very, very few. And here's this

00:23:35.720 woman who gave it all up because they destroyed her. Because what happened was, because of all

00:23:40.880 these protests, wherever she went, and they would also crash her, her events. She'd have a concert,

00:23:46.360 and they would stand up in the middle of the concert and start shouting. Because of these protests,

00:23:51.120 she became too controversial to employ it. They said, oh, this is too much for us. And they started

00:23:56.700 dropping her. They dropped her bookings. Ultimately, she lost Florida Citrus Commission and her

00:24:01.980 sponsorships. She lost almost everything. And then she got divorced. I can imagine all the effect of

00:24:07.800 this on her marriage. And she was ruined. Her career was ruined. And this is why I consider her

00:24:14.740 one of the great heroes. Because after she helped defeat the gay rights law in Miami-Dade, several other

00:24:23.180 gay rights laws were defeated. And I think had the pro-family world rallied around her better

00:24:28.420 and protected her. Maybe the whole movement, this whole development of gay power in the United States 1.00

00:24:36.760 and Canada would have changed. But she gave it up. And she said, even at the end, that she made the

00:24:42.700 right decision in defending against that law. Peter, what's caused you to stick with this fight all

00:24:48.260 these years? You've been and seen this movement grow and grow, despite the best efforts of so many

00:24:54.180 in the movement who were trying to fight, especially the heroes. Just like in the pro-life movement,

00:25:02.680 sometimes the greatest heroes are those who have been there, done that, and come out of having an

00:25:07.580 abortion and go and tell their stories. Our Doug Mainwaring, a real warrior on this, is such because

00:25:13.540 he came out of the lifestyle himself. And he knows the harm that it causes, the harm that it causes

00:25:20.200 family, the harm that it causes friends, the harm that it causes your body, and the harm that it

00:25:25.120 causes to souls. And so he's a hero because he fights it from knowing. And he's been doing it for

00:25:31.660 decades and continues to, as you have. What's your motivation to stick with it, despite this

00:25:36.620 hard fight that seems always like it's losing? I'm one of those guys, my first boss, I worked in the

00:25:41.740 conservative movement since graduating from University of Michigan in the 80s. And my first boss was

00:25:47.660 Reed Irvine, and he was one of those guys who would stick, he had accurate, he founded accuracy in

00:25:52.400 media. He fought media bias before it was cool. And he was, he stuck to it. You know, sort of like

00:25:59.620 you guys at LifeSite, you guys have stuck to it. And I'm just that kind of a guy. If it's the truth,

00:26:04.860 I'm not going to abandon the truth for convenience or even, you know, it's just not who I am. It's not

00:26:11.700 who you are. And so I basically became an evangelical Christian after college. And after communism sort

00:26:20.220 of fell, I was fighting, writing against communism. I went to Central America and wrote about the

00:26:26.200 Sandinistas, which was a Marxist group, which at the time they lost an election. We were there,

00:26:31.940 they lost an election to pro-democratic forces. Later, they grabbed power back. But communism at that

00:26:37.420 time had fallen, sort of, we thought it was gone, but it's, of course, coming back now. I was

00:26:42.520 wondering, well, you know, what am I going to do? It came in. And I ended up working for Concerned

00:26:47.060 Women for America, which was a group founded by Beverly LaHaye. And she had me write an article

00:26:51.340 about the homosexual movement, which was kind of growing in power. This is the early 90s.

00:26:56.140 And so I started, I'm a reporter by trade, so I training. And I said, if I'm going to write about

00:27:02.280 this, I got to go to the source. I want to read the homosexual literature. And that was my 0.86

00:27:06.340 downfall, as it were, because once I started researching this, I would go to the gay bookstore 1.00

00:27:10.920 in DC. And that was when the gay bookstores were necessary. They're not really needed anymore, 1.00

00:27:15.380 because all the bookstores are gay bookstores, right? Borders is a gay bookstore. You don't 1.00

00:27:19.720 need a special one anymore, because, hey, it's all mainstream. I would get the, I would read about it.

00:27:24.880 And I started seeing, wow, this is an incredibly powerful movement. It's just, it's building and

00:27:30.460 building and it's coming like a freight train. And nobody really knows what the actual truth is

00:27:36.060 about it. And I worked with great people. I don't know if you remember Father John Harvey,

00:27:41.060 great man. He was one of those heroes. I, and I built connections. I just started basically

00:27:46.560 realizing that I had to devote myself to this fight because it's sort of one that a lot of

00:27:51.600 people don't want to, they sort of, they agree with it. I would say the typical attitude is people

00:27:56.900 who would pull you aside and say, John Henry, I agree with you on this homosexuality thing, 1.00

00:28:01.700 but I just can't, I just can't make it the main issue. Well, if you have that times a million,

00:28:07.400 you have a very troubled movement because unlike the pro-life movement, where the average pro-lifer is

00:28:11.800 like, heck yes, I'm going to fight for unborn children. I mean, I personally have a Down syndrome

00:28:16.060 brother. I know what abortion is. It's, it's eliminating people for convenience sake. And 0.69

00:28:22.060 unfortunately, Down's kids often are considered inconvenient and out they go. And my brother has

00:28:28.300 been an incredible blessing to me and our family. He's like, almost like an angel of God.

00:28:33.880 Unlike the pro-life movement, where most pro-lifers can articulate easily, some better than others,

00:28:40.540 you know, why we must defend the most innocent and defenseless amongst us, you know, who are being

00:28:46.660 victimized basically because of, you know, like I said, mostly for convenience sake, although there are

00:28:51.700 harder cases as well. The homosexual issue is, doesn't have so much feel goods. Usually it's an 0.99

00:28:58.020 alien issue. And then many times now we see, as I alluded to earlier, the coming out strategy,

00:29:03.840 this idea that we, we, we all know somebody who's gay. And so that made it, makes it people feel like,

00:29:09.100 well, I can't really talk about it because I have a cousin or I have a brother, I have a son who's,

00:29:15.760 who's gay. And so I can't talk about it. That's called jamming, by the way, a gay activist strategy. 0.79

00:29:21.400 When you, when you feel like you can't talk about the truth, you're, you're effectively jammed.

00:29:25.700 And that, that was a conscious strategy developed by these guys, uh, in a book called after the ball,

00:29:30.980 for whatever reason, most people don't want to talk forthrightly or directly about this issue.

00:29:37.680 And so I felt this needed to be defended. And so I started back in the nineties with the thing,

00:29:41.680 Paul, uh, my publication called the Lambda report. Uh, we broke a big story about pedophilia.

00:29:47.440 We found out that, uh, major international organization had pedophile groups as its members.

00:29:53.580 And so that led to passage of a law, which bans, um, uh, band giving us taxpayer dollars to any

00:30:00.020 organization that had pedophile groups, pedophile advocates, you know, as members ever since that

00:30:05.820 time, I basically don't feel I can quit because the other side doesn't just not quit, but it continues

00:30:12.640 to grow and grow. And as I said earlier, they've got these groups, which are multimillion dollar

00:30:18.680 organizations. The CEOs are making goodness over, you know, 400,000 plus dollars and to promote

00:30:27.440 immorality as a profession. And if those groups exist and they're not being diminished, they're

00:30:34.260 only growing and they have the media at their side that the power of the media with them, because

00:30:37.820 the media is effectively a part of the homosexual activist, transgender activist movement that I feel

00:30:44.140 like, how can I step away? How can life site quit this struggle? If the other side is moving ahead

00:30:53.580 with such demonic power for us anyway, it's always been so easy to talk about because we come at things

00:31:01.120 from a Catholic or Christian perspective. And from that perspective, it's all about love. I love my

00:31:07.140 brothers and sisters who are trapped in homosexual lifestyle enough to tell them this behavior hurts 0.99

00:31:11.700 you. And it hurts your body and it hurts your mind and it hurts your soul. And the last thing I want

00:31:17.420 to see happen to you is that you're separated from God for eternity. And so, yeah, it might,

00:31:23.060 might be unpopular. It might, might be condemned by a lot of people, but I love you enough to tell you

00:31:28.780 anyway. And so that's, you know, I think when the motivation is still love, even though in the pro-life

00:31:36.020 movement, it's more clear because there's a victim that everybody can tell is a victim. And yet with

00:31:41.360 homosexuality, it's like, you can't say there's an actual victim. There is anyway. The victim is, 0.98

00:31:46.940 this is all those were duped into this lifestyle. Remember the AIDS plague. This was tied directly 0.80

00:31:54.180 to homosexual practice. And today, I don't think there's probably one in a hundred conservative

00:32:00.320 people under 30 who even know what, what happened. Literally tens of thousands of self-identified gay

00:32:08.060 men, some weren't self-identified, died in the prime of their life from practicing not justice, 0.62

00:32:15.760 but it was a factor, penetrative homosexual sodomy, you know, led to these men being wiped 0.96

00:32:22.640 out. And of course, you're absolutely right, physically, of course, but our souls, you're 0.94

00:32:28.540 absolutely right. We have to love people enough to tell them the truth. And I've had the privilege

00:32:32.400 of getting to know many people like Doug, many people who've come out of homosexuality and the

00:32:38.520 idea that you are somehow intrinsically gay by identity or transgender or name your perversion 0.95

00:32:47.020 identity, because now there's literally dozens and dozens, because if you have to accept one

00:32:52.060 aberrant lifestyle, well, why not, not, why not 50? How can the person who says that homosexuality is

00:32:58.980 okay, normal? How can they deny the polyamorous or the pansexual or the non-binary? Deviance begets

00:33:06.640 deviance. And so we have to love them. We cannot hate as believers. How can we hate? We needed God's

00:33:15.660 grace ourselves. Who are we to say we're better than anybody else? However, we cannot count it in sin.

00:33:21.280 And we certainly cannot count it in sin attached to a core identity when our identity is in Christ.

00:33:27.140 And we can't allow marriage to be commingled and identified with something that God calls

00:33:34.820 an abomination, which is translated as detestable. We must remember that it was a taboo. It was,

00:33:40.260 it was something abhorrent. And I got handed to the Catholic church. The Catholic church pronounces

00:33:46.560 that in its teachings. The sad part is so many Catholics don't even know the teaching of the

00:33:51.540 church on this issue. Well, lots of work to do still. And, uh, you know, the battle in the end

00:33:57.500 is the Lord's and we're called to be foot soldiers in it, trying to do our best. But, uh, Peter, thank

00:34:02.780 you for your great work. Keep doing it. And it's still beautiful. And it continues because you do it

00:34:08.100 out of love. And that, that is really the only way to go. And it's also the answer to those who think,

00:34:14.400 oh, you're a hater. Well, actually, if I was such a hater, I wouldn't care about these guys,

00:34:18.960 but we do. When they call me a hater, I ask them, do you, do you hate me? And sometimes they're

00:34:23.780 honestly, yeah, I hate you, but you don't hate me. I don't hate you. We can disagree on morality,

00:34:29.320 but you're absolutely right about the number one focus of our work is it's the souls of people. And

00:34:34.000 so many are jeopardized when we see one in five young people and more identifying as LGBT.

00:34:40.000 That is a national crisis, which I think politicians and faith leaders need to talk about more when

00:34:47.480 these so many young people are confused about something so important. We need to step up our

00:34:53.120 game. Peter LaBarbera, thank you so very much. God bless you. Thank you. God bless you. And thank

00:34:57.720 you for all your great work, John Henry. And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

00:35:02.020 Aloha, everyone. This is Jason Jones for LifeSide News. We hope you enjoyed this video. For more

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The John-Henry Westen Show - June 13, 2025

10 Years After Obergefell： Truth, Consequences & Catholic Courage

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