The John-Henry Westen Show - March 30, 2023


3 Top Stories ｜ Fulton J. Sheen, NEW Miracle, Dennis Prager's XXX Beliefs


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Lust is not a sin according to the Torah, but is it a sin when it comes from the heart? Can a Christian look at another woman with lust? And is pornography a sin if it s a substitute for one s wife?

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00:00:00.000 I wasn't very convinced by his arguments.
00:00:03.220 There are examples, I mean, God kills Onan for the sin of, I'll say, self-abuse.
00:00:10.940 And lust, you know, whether or not it fits into a specific, one of the 613 Jewish laws, certainly opens us up to further sin. 0.64
00:00:25.200 I'm sure many of you have heard of Dennis Prager.
00:00:27.560 You've heard his fireside chats on PragerU.
00:00:30.980 Well, Dennis was on with Jordan Peterson and a few others, and he made some very controversial remarks around lust and pornography.
00:00:41.200 Have a look.
00:00:43.720 Obviously, Christianity and Judaism are not identical religions.
00:00:47.760 And we have no equivalent that if you look upon another woman with lust, it's as if you have committed adultery with your heart.
00:00:54.680 There's only one way to commit adultery in Judaism, and it's with a different organ. 0.97
00:00:59.100 And I'm not being cute.
00:01:00.540 I'm being very realistic.
00:01:03.020 Looking with lust is not a sin in Judaism.
00:01:06.160 You could expound everything Jesus said from,
00:01:10.440 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife or another woman and you're not whatever.
00:01:14.560 Well, the whole point of coveting, it begins in the heart.
00:01:19.440 And I understand your Hebrew word for covered is the desire doesn't stop halfway.
00:01:26.660 Right.
00:01:27.300 It takes action.
00:01:28.360 It's to take.
00:01:29.180 Yeah.
00:01:29.780 There's no ban in the 613 laws of the Torah on lusting.
00:01:34.300 I always ask if a wife calls me and says my husband looks at pornography, like I found on his computer, I have one question.
00:01:45.100 How is your life of intimacy with your husband?
00:01:49.040 Is it good?
00:01:50.420 In other words, is the pornography in lieu of you or in addition to you?
00:01:56.340 What about a single woman? 1.00
00:01:57.660 I asked one of the great Protestant thinkers of our generation in a public debate in Phoenix, I asked him,
00:02:04.900 so can a single Christian male look upon a single woman with lust?
00:02:11.240 He can't be committing adultery.
00:02:13.600 He's not married and she's not married.
00:02:15.980 So is the real ban lust or is the ban on adultery?
00:02:20.420 It does even seem like Jordan Peterson gave support to that notion.
00:02:23.960 And I know this is not a religious answer and I'm not even giving a religious answer.
00:02:29.360 I'm giving what I think is a moral and realistic answer.
00:02:32.720 Men want variety.
00:02:34.580 And if adultery is a substitute for, if pornography is a substitute for one's wife, it's awful.
00:02:42.820 If it's a substitute for adultery, it's not awful.
00:02:46.520 That is my unpredictable answer.
00:02:49.460 Well, there is a clinical rule of thumb that's akin to that, I would say.
00:02:52.620 If you're trying to decide clinically whether someone's partaking in a habit, say use of alcohol,
00:02:58.600 has reached the threshold of clinical significance,
00:03:01.240 one of the things you do is ask the person you're assessing,
00:03:05.700 now is it interfering with your employment?
00:03:07.440 Has it got you in trouble with the law?
00:03:09.020 Is your family complaining?
00:03:10.520 Does it stop you from doing other things that you should be doing?
00:03:13.040 And so the judgment isn't the use of the forbidden substance itself.
00:03:17.180 It is in some sense consequentialist.
00:03:19.400 And I'm not saying that that's an absolute, but it is a hallmark of clinical judgment.
00:03:23.760 So I would just ask, you asked me about pornography.
00:03:27.900 So this man was faithful to a wife with whom he could not have relations, obviously, for a decade or more.
00:03:36.300 I think it went to 15 years.
00:03:38.520 Would he have been wrong in relieving his sexual tension with a photograph?
00:03:46.880 We're going to be discussing that on today's episode of the John Henry Weston Show,
00:03:50.020 as well as a new Eucharistic miracle, at least one that's under investigation.
00:03:54.860 And finally, we're going to have a look at Fulton J. Sheen's prayer for adoption of unborn children.
00:04:00.160 With me to discuss that today is LifeSite writer Matt Lamb.
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00:06:15.400 So, Matt, very controversial suggestion.
00:06:19.060 You know, Dennis Prager obviously is Jewish and he's talking about lust and obviously our Lord's line about even looking at a woman with lust. 0.94
00:06:29.820 You've already committed adultery in your heart.
00:06:31.840 What did you make of his take on pornography?
00:06:36.060 Well, it was pretty disturbing.
00:06:38.120 Dennis Prager is normally very good on issues such as the biblical marriage, the life issue.
00:06:45.020 So it was pretty disturbing to see that clip on Jordan Peterson's show on the Exodus, which is on Daily Wire.
00:06:50.900 And I wasn't very convinced by his arguments.
00:06:53.940 There are examples.
00:06:55.700 I mean, God kills Onan for the sin of, you know, I'll say self-abuse.
00:07:00.960 And lust, you know, whether or not it fits into a specific one of the 613 Jewish laws certainly opens us up to further sin. 0.81
00:07:11.240 It sounded like Dennis Prager agreed that a marital affair, you know, adultery would be sinful.
00:07:18.100 And so I'd want to wonder why he would even open himself up or encourage others or be permitted others opening themselves up to pornography or other lustful behaviors that even if he doesn't consider it a sin would put someone in an occasion of sin, as we might say.
00:07:35.700 Indeed so. In fact, the whole thing about pornography is very disturbing anyway, also because of the way porn is manufactured.
00:07:45.360 This is not, you know, actresses just showing up at their normal job and this is just...
00:07:49.840 But no, we have had umpteen testimonies from inside the porn industry of how abusive it is.
00:07:57.280 Most of these women and men, but he's talking here about women, are abused.
00:08:02.480 They're usually abused with drugs through pimps or whatever they call themselves in terms of producers or whatever terminology they use.
00:08:10.300 But this is a horrific industry of abuse of women and men and it's sickening to support it by viewing this material is very, very harmful, not only to yourself, to all of society.
00:08:25.040 You're damning society with this, you know, support of an industry that's so very harmful for people.
00:08:30.880 Absolutely. And there's also the psychological effects of people who watch pornography.
00:08:36.580 Dennis Prager does something regularly on his show called The Happiness Hour.
00:08:40.540 And he's a very thoughtful person, as you can tell. He's very into music.
00:08:43.400 He's just a good, generally a good thinker, except on these issues, maybe.
00:08:47.800 Except on these issues, I should say.
00:08:50.420 But and so there's the anxiety and depression.
00:08:53.440 And it really is a drug. I mean, I'm sure LifeSite has plenty of stories on this, plenty of psychological studies.
00:08:58.560 So even briefly setting aside the theological sinful nature of it, it clearly is harmful.
00:09:05.300 And I would ask Dennis Prager, does he think that King David only sinned when he when he committed adultery or when he looked with lust?
00:09:13.600 I would say that the he sinned when he looked with lust and at a minimum, as I said earlier, that opened him up those further sins of adultery and murder, actually, too.
00:09:23.680 And so, yeah, so I was very disturbed to hear Dennis Prager and Jordan Peterson appearing to affirm some of those beliefs.
00:09:31.080 That was really concerning as well, because in truth, even though he's Jewish, he should have been taken up as a brother, a child of God anyway, taken up to recognize this harmfulness. 0.99
00:09:46.600 I know Jordan Peterson knows about the way porn is produced and how horrific it is.
00:09:51.440 He also knows these massive psychological effects.
00:09:53.900 I mean, as a psychologist, he's talked about it before.
00:09:55.860 However, the differences in the brain pathways formed by pornography, how harmful that is, and then how it taints all of your other relationships, not only with your spouse, which it does anyway, but then also with other women.
00:10:11.360 So is it very damaging and deleterious thing?
00:10:15.540 And it needed someone to call out Dennis Prager in charity and in love.
00:10:20.560 This is by no means a slam on Dennis Prager.
00:10:23.100 This is hopefully a way of reaching out to him.
00:10:26.560 And I would hope that because I'm sure he's surrounded by good Catholics and Christians, because you can't be in this milieu where you're on the right trying to promote, mostly promote, you know, normal human values without being in touch with good people.
00:10:43.260 So I would pray that those folks who are close to him would reach out to him with the fullness of truth.
00:10:48.460 And they have an opportunity here to evangelize because if Judaism does not answer this properly, it needs to, you know, we need, we have to be able to share this truth.
00:11:01.240 And if that's one of the areas where there's a, you know, a possibility to introduce Christ and his values.
00:11:06.680 And that's what he's talking about here.
00:11:08.060 He's, he's coming at it from that perspective of Jesus about looking at a woman with lust.
00:11:12.820 And maybe there's an inroad there to bring these good folks into the fullness of truth, because that's what we always need.
00:11:20.900 One of the things that is, at least it's a quote that was from a former porn actress who was in the industry herself and came out and then described what was going on.
00:11:33.700 And her words always struck me, it was, you've got to remember, you are watching and therefore abusing someone's daughter, someone's sister, someone's mother.
00:11:47.580 If you can put yourself in that mind, if you can see that woman who is here abused in front of the cameras as your own daughter, as your own mother, as your own sister, we've got to be able to do that.
00:12:06.960 Because the, the hormones, the takeover, the lust is so powerful.
00:12:11.420 When we look at these things, it's impossible and it's, and we don't have to go to it to look at it.
00:12:15.960 It shows up for you in, in emails and billboards and whatever else.
00:12:20.760 But these are abusive situations, situations that we have to put ourselves in the right frame of mind about.
00:12:27.840 Any final thoughts, Matt?
00:12:30.200 No, I think you laid it out well.
00:12:32.220 I hope someone can fraternally correct Dennis Prager.
00:12:35.800 You know, now the episode's aired, but perhaps someone now can sort of speak to him one-on-one.
00:12:41.100 I know that's Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire and he's Orthodox Jewish. 0.98
00:12:44.860 He's Jewish as well.
00:12:45.940 So maybe he has a different interpretation or hopefully Jordan Peterson, given his psychological background, could help guide him and perhaps re-examine his own views.
00:12:56.500 So let's just continue to pray for Dennis Prager and everyone that might be trapped in, in lust or, or be, be confused.
00:13:04.560 Amen to that.
00:13:05.800 And this is really fascinating.
00:13:07.540 We got news of a supposed, for now, Eucharistic miracle in Connecticut.
00:13:14.680 And God bless Father for bringing it to light publicly, because often that stays in the background until, you know, years and years and years later.
00:13:22.620 But let's have a look at Father's testimony about a Eucharistic miracle.
00:13:27.200 We had something happen.
00:13:35.640 It's hard to say, actually.
00:13:39.000 It's, God provides.
00:13:41.040 And it's funny how God provides.
00:13:43.160 Sometimes it comes in a weird way, in a mystical way, in a strange way.
00:13:48.180 And one of our Eucharistic ministers was running out of hosts.
00:13:55.240 And yet they didn't.
00:13:58.900 And suddenly there was more hosts in the Saborium.
00:14:03.000 Just, God duplicated himself in the Saborium.
00:14:10.800 It's, God provides.
00:14:12.120 It's strange how God does that.
00:14:14.660 And that happened.
00:14:15.720 And it was noted by one of our Eucharistic ministers that was giving out community to you guys today.
00:14:21.380 It's really, really cool when God does those things.
00:14:25.560 And it's really, really cool when we realize what he's done.
00:14:30.100 And it just happened today.
00:14:32.500 Very powerful.
00:14:33.760 Very awesome.
00:14:35.860 Very real.
00:14:37.160 Very shocking.
00:14:40.880 But also, it happens.
00:14:42.960 It happens.
00:14:43.660 And today it happened.
00:14:45.520 Where they were running out of hosts.
00:14:47.620 And all of a sudden, more hosts just were there.
00:14:50.580 So today, not only do we have the miracle of the Eucharist, we actually had a bigger miracle.
00:14:57.180 It's pretty cool.
00:15:07.040 And it's on film.
00:15:08.520 So this is taped.
00:15:09.480 This is actually taped.
00:15:10.500 And we're going to see this again and again.
00:15:13.440 Matt, what was your takeaway?
00:15:15.360 Yeah, so this is, you know, the investigation is going.
00:15:19.580 This is actually Father Michael McGivney's old parish, who's the founder of Knights of Columbus, a great pro-life advocate.
00:15:26.760 And so we'll see if this is another confirmed Eucharistic miracle.
00:15:32.920 Perhaps it was some sort of confusion.
00:15:34.800 We don't know.
00:15:36.060 And so, but these Eucharistic miracles, you know, are great because, of course, they reinforce our belief, our knowledge that, you know, during transplantation that this, you know, this is the real body and blood of Christ.
00:15:50.800 Yeah, it was beautiful that Father, in his bringing out the miracle, gave that teaching again and said, you know, this was great.
00:15:59.600 It's, of course, reminiscent of, you know, the multiplication of the loaves and fishes as Jesus did himself.
00:16:05.740 And, you know, it's great because, in truth, that's sort of what's going on.
00:16:13.220 God is feeding us with himself.
00:16:15.520 And he is multiplying himself, if you will, for us.
00:16:19.760 And it's such a beautiful thing.
00:16:21.200 It happens all over the world.
00:16:22.840 So, all over the world, every communicant who receives our Lord and blessed Eucharist actually receives our Lord, body, blood, soul, and divinity.
00:16:31.400 So, it's very much multiplication all by itself.
00:16:34.160 But to be able to exemplify it with a miracle.
00:16:38.740 I think in today's day and age, we seem so far gone.
00:16:43.300 The spiritual reality seems so removed from us.
00:16:46.200 Just, I'm so grateful when we hear of miraculous events because they're needed today, probably more than ever before.
00:16:55.140 Absolutely.
00:16:55.760 And it's a great reminder, of course, that God's love never runs out.
00:16:59.760 I think it was only a couple weeks ago, at least in the Latin Masses, that they read that gospel reading of the loaves and, I'm sorry, the bread and fishes, which is not a parable about sharing, as some people have said.
00:17:12.560 It is, it is, it's an actual miracle that actually, actually happened.
00:17:18.100 And as serves as a great reminder, of course, sometimes, unfortunately, in times where a lot of people have lost faith, and in a positive way, that's sometimes when, of course, God works his greatest miracles to help reinvigorate our faith.
00:17:29.680 And how great going into Easter to have this possible miracle as a way for us to strengthen our resolve as we wrap up Lent.
00:17:39.080 And so, let's pray for that parish.
00:17:40.120 I didn't even realize it was Father McGivney's old parish.
00:17:42.180 That's amazing.
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00:18:45.120 And now, back to the program.
00:18:46.700 Last, I want to talk about also this prayer of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.
00:18:54.420 First of all, give us the prayer if you could, Matt, and then tell us a little bit about it.
00:18:58.360 So it goes something, so this is from the Archdiocese of New York's website, the Respect Life Office.
00:19:03.980 Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, I love you very much.
00:19:06.020 I beg you to spare the life of, and you can either pick a name or just say the unborn baby that I've spiritually adopted who is in danger of abortion.
00:19:13.340 There's a couple different ways you could do this prayer, and you could do it over nine months, so every month representing nine months of pregnancy.
00:19:20.280 So if you start it now, you know, you get to Christmas, it'll be the ninth month, or you could do it as a novena.
00:19:26.660 And this prayer is basically you're spiritually adopting a baby that is in danger of abortion.
00:19:33.500 Should we be so blessed to, you know, achieve eternal salvation, maybe we would get to know, of course, what our works benefited,
00:19:42.160 and perhaps get to meet those babies we spiritually adopted.
00:19:47.000 And so this is Bishop Fulton Sheen, one of the great, relatively recent Catholic leaders.
00:19:55.960 And actually, when I was in grade school, I used to do this.
00:19:57.800 My religion teacher was a distant relative of Bishop Fulton Sheen.
00:20:01.000 And the church I go to now, they have binders full of all of the spiritually adopted babies that their parish has done, going back years in a little shrine with Mary.
00:20:14.460 And so it's just quite beautiful, this dedication to saving babies from abortion, because even if the Supreme Court,
00:20:22.020 even though the Supreme Court made a great decision in June, there's still plenty of work to do here,
00:20:25.400 and, of course, across the world to end the violence of abortion.
00:20:30.160 Indeed so.
00:20:31.260 Now, people might wonder, is there official teaching?
00:20:35.280 Because this comes up to a rather controversial thing in the church.
00:20:40.860 What happens to babies when aborted?
00:20:44.900 And it's sort of a question left unanswered.
00:20:48.380 What's your understanding of the church's teaching of that?
00:20:51.000 It's a gray area.
00:20:52.440 My understanding is that the idea of limbo has not necessarily been abolished.
00:20:59.360 We can—so it's up in the air.
00:21:02.440 Some would say, well, is it a form of baptism of desire in the same way of if there was a Protestant who was converting and was, let's say, killed the day before Easter vigil?
00:21:11.900 Well, he had the desire to become a baptized—or he had the desire to enter the Catholic Church.
00:21:16.840 It's one of those things we don't really—won't really know, I guess, until the end of time.
00:21:24.460 We can feel confident that a baby who died—of course, no baby could really die through their own fault—would not suffer.
00:21:32.900 And I think we can trust in God that he would take care of the littlest of ones in whatever form that is.
00:21:39.980 Now, just so that people understand, limbo is a place of total happiness, but it's not the full union, the beatific vision with God that is experienced by the saints and angels in heaven.
00:21:52.120 So there is a very much qualitative difference there.
00:21:56.540 And, however, there is an argument, and it's been made quite forcefully.
00:22:01.680 It was in discussion in Rome already over a decade ago.
00:22:05.700 But it was the comparison of the babies who died in Christ's stead, you might say, when he had to—the Holy Family had to flee to Egypt.
00:22:18.000 The decree went out from Herod to kill all the little babies, two years old and under, male babies, and that got executed.
00:22:26.920 And so hundreds or maybe more of these little babies were killed.
00:22:32.180 We regard them as saints.
00:22:33.660 On December 28th, we celebrate the Feast of the Holy Innocents and regard all those children as saints.
00:22:38.940 So the argument has been made that, you know, all these unborn children are, in a very similar way, saints.
00:22:48.620 And the move was, the request was, of this group that's pushing forward this cause to have them declared such.
00:22:56.320 And one of the—you know, this is, of course, what they—the main argument is, the comparison to these—to the Holy Innocents.
00:23:05.880 And they also say, what an army of intercessors that would be for us, both to end the culture of death, but also to help us in our current struggles that we have in the world today.
00:23:18.800 Your take on that?
00:23:19.560 That's—yeah, that's a great way to think about it.
00:23:22.240 I'm actually rereading the notes of St. Therese, and she prayed to her—she had lost several siblings before she was born.
00:23:30.280 She was, of course, the last one of her parents.
00:23:32.060 And she had prayed to those lost siblings.
00:23:34.940 And I don't know that all of them were baptized.
00:23:36.960 I guess if they were baptized, they'd be in heaven.
00:23:39.000 And she prayed to them to overcome her scruples, and that helped.
00:23:42.700 And I believe there actually is an unborn—a pre-born baby who is part of a family who's up for canonization.
00:23:48.480 So, it's an interesting cause.
00:23:50.520 I actually didn't know about that.
00:23:51.960 But, of course, the Feast of the Holy Innocents does, in some way, affirm the idea that they are in heaven if they can intercede for us.
00:23:59.500 So, that's a beautiful cause.
00:24:00.900 I actually didn't know about that.
00:24:02.260 But I'd be happy to see how that turns out.
00:24:05.580 Indeed.
00:24:06.180 And that is practice.
00:24:07.420 A lot of people who have miscarried babies, they're unable to—you know, we've had three ourselves.
00:24:14.160 And the intent is there in a huge way.
00:24:19.620 All we want to do with our children is give them to our Lord.
00:24:22.360 It was our greatest desire to have our babies, baptize them.
00:24:26.560 And even should they all have died, you know, the eight living children we have, it would have been our greatest joy to baptize them and give them to the Lord.
00:24:35.600 So, you know, that desire is there in spades in terms of the parents wanting to, you know, baptize their children.
00:24:45.960 And when they die in utero, early or unable to baptize anyway, you know, there's a lot of hope. 0.97
00:24:53.160 And a lot of these parents, us included, give names to their unborn children who they lose in utero and encourage their children, living children, to use their intercession.
00:25:05.440 And I think that's a beautiful practice.
00:25:07.140 I know it's a gray area.
00:25:08.540 But surely our Lord looks after these little ones whom he has called to himself because, you know, in the cases of miscarriage, that's not, you know, anyone's doing but the Lord's.
00:25:21.200 The Lord's seen fit to that.
00:25:23.080 Praise be the Lord.
00:25:23.680 And while it's a cross, I think that cross is alleviated and the reality mitigated by the intercession of your little ones who, in my hope anyway, go to the Lord right away.
00:25:40.160 Yeah, let's we can we can pray and it doesn't never hurts to pray more.
00:25:46.020 So.
00:25:47.300 Indeed.
00:25:49.280 Matt, any final thoughts for us?
00:25:50.720 No, thank you again for having me.
00:25:54.020 And, of course, continue to.
00:25:55.940 Well, I say news and we'll see how this turns out, the Eucharistic miracle and perhaps a conversion of Dennis Prager.
00:26:02.540 Amen to that.
00:26:03.680 We'll have Matt back soon to talk with us about colleges, since he works also at the College Fix.
00:26:10.660 This is John Henry West.
00:26:11.640 And so thanks for joining us.
00:26:13.520 God bless you and God bless all of you.
00:26:15.860 We'll see you next time.
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