The John-Henry Westen Show - A Doctor at Calvary： A Medical Perspective on the Wounds of Christ on the Cross

00:00:00.080 No hurt that we experience, whether it's a betrayal, whether it's stealing, whether

00:00:05.240 it's lies, whether it's character assassination, whether it's even physical pain, none of

00:00:11.960 that can compare to what Jesus underwent voluntarily for you and I and our salvation.

00:00:18.600 Hey, my friends, wouldn't it have been great to have had a medical doctor at Calvary so

00:00:31.560 we could have been instructed as to what Jesus was going through, what he was physically

00:00:36.000 suffering?

00:00:36.680 There's a lot of controversy nowadays.

00:00:38.600 Just a few weeks ago, we had Easter and a lot of people would have watched The Passion

00:00:42.120 of the Christ.

00:00:42.860 But there's a new debate among, you know, doubters or people who say, you know, Jesus, did he

00:00:48.480 really suffer that much?

00:00:49.540 Did he suffer the most that any human being has ever suffered?

00:00:53.020 One of the contentions is that, no, the depiction in The Passion of the Christ is not accurate

00:00:57.900 because he didn't actually carry the cross.

00:00:59.940 He just carried the cross beam and, you know, that was it.

00:01:05.380 You know, he would have received what, you know, was given normally, the lashes and, you

00:01:10.220 know, we'll see what would have been done to him.

00:01:13.080 Well, we've got a medical doctor who has studied this question in depth, who has studied

00:01:18.440 also the Shroud of Turin, to be able to give us that medical perspective on what happened

00:01:23.680 to Jesus in his passion.

00:01:26.100 Stay tuned to this episode of The John Henry Weston Show.

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00:02:04.600 God bless you.

00:02:07.480 Deegan Bob MacDonald is a medical doctor.

00:02:10.700 He was in general practice for 28 years after graduating from the Edinburgh, Scotland University

00:02:20.260 in 1963.

00:02:21.960 He was in general practice in Canada, in Ontario, Canada from 1974.

00:02:26.900 He was actually an assistant professor of family medicine at Queen's University in Kingston,

00:02:31.840 Ontario as well.

00:02:32.740 And he has studied in depth this issue, not only because he's a medical doctor, but also

00:02:39.840 because he is a deacon in the Catholic Church.

00:02:42.120 Deacon Bob, welcome to the program.

00:02:44.100 Thank you very much, John Henry.

00:02:45.300 It's a pleasure to be with you.

00:02:46.960 It's great to be able to talk about one of my favorite subjects, which I think is so important

00:02:52.080 for the people of the church, people who look at a crucifix and they see a very serene tableau.

00:03:01.600 They see Jesus with his head down, his eyes are closed, and he's looking very peaceful.

00:03:06.860 But in fact, that says nothing about what Jesus actually endured, and that is what I'd like

00:03:12.180 to talk about today.

00:03:13.600 Beautiful.

00:03:14.200 Well, let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross, if you wouldn't mind leading

00:03:17.080 us.

00:03:17.300 In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

00:03:19.940 Amen.

00:03:20.340 Amen.

00:03:20.520 1 Corinthians 22, for Jews demand signs and Greeks desire wisdom, but we proclaim Christ

00:03:29.860 and him crucified.

00:03:32.040 That is the whole point of St. Paul's preaching, is that he proclaimed Christ and him crucified,

00:03:38.600 and we, likewise, should be willing to do the same.

00:03:42.140 But we can only be willing to do the same if we understand something of what Jesus endured

00:03:47.740 in order that we could have eternal life.

00:03:50.520 So I propose to give you the crucifixion from a doctor's point of view, the real truth.

00:03:56.920 And it begins, John Henry, with the agony in the garden.

00:03:59.960 We have to understand that Jesus suffered abominably in the garden, much more than is obvious from

00:04:08.660 the scriptural description.

00:04:10.180 The first thing he did was to take on all of the sins that were being committed right there and then in Rome and throughout the known world at that very moment.

00:04:27.500 And finally, he looked down into the future, and he saw the sins that would be committed by mankind in the future.

00:04:35.980 He saw my sins personally, and he saw your sins too, John Henry, and he saw these with love.

00:04:43.140 He was able to take those sins on himself.

00:04:46.540 And can you imagine the agony that he must have felt taking on all of the sins ever committed or ever would be committed in the world?

00:04:56.580 And I wonder sometimes with him covered, as it were, with black sin and the power of Satan, 0.99

00:05:01.980 if God the Father could even discern his son under that mountain of filth.

00:05:07.780 But that is what happened, and the result was pain of such intensity for Jesus that he sweat blood.

00:05:15.100 And St. Luke tells us in the scriptures that Jesus sweat blood and the blood would fall to the ground.

00:05:22.540 That condition is medically known, and we call it hematidrosis.

00:05:27.540 And what happens is that the small blood vessels in the scalp actually get swollen and stretched,

00:05:35.980 so much so that red blood cells are able to escape from the small blood vessels,

00:05:40.660 and they end up in the sweat glands, and the sweat of blood takes place.

00:05:45.700 What we do know is that this can be produced in human beings other than Jesus,

00:05:54.340 but it has to be in a situation where the person is under extreme physical and psychological pain,

00:06:00.420 from which there is no relief.

00:06:02.780 And it is known to have happened in prisoners who were going on the last walk towards the execution chamber,

00:06:12.220 and they would sweat blood on the way.

00:06:14.900 It also occurred in a wonderful and beautiful saint called St. Gemma Galgani, who died at the age of 25.

00:06:22.340 And she had tremendous, tremendous ecstasies with Jesus, which were so powerful that they affected her heart and her circulation.

00:06:33.860 She sweat blood, for sure, and eventually died of heart failure. 1.00

00:06:39.060 But she was an outstanding and a wonderful little lady, whom I have a very personal regard for.

00:06:47.100 So then there was the terrible kiss from Judas.

00:06:52.820 It's hard for me to imagine Judas going up to Jesus and kissing him and wishing him well,

00:06:59.460 when in fact he was betraying him for 30 pieces of silver.

00:07:03.300 And Jesus was then bound and dragged off before Caiaphas, the high priest.

00:07:08.500 Now, the interesting thing is that Caiaphas wanted Jesus' life in the worst possible way,

00:07:16.500 and so he held an illegal court.

00:07:19.060 He had held the court in his own house instead of in the temple.

00:07:23.300 He held the court in darkness instead of in daylight, where justice could be seen to be done.

00:07:28.900 And there wasn't a proper quorum of the Sanhedrin there to have a valid vote.

00:07:36.180 And so the whole thing was illegal and invalid, and the sentence of death was pronounced. 0.98

00:07:44.260 And so Jesus was dragged before Pilate, the coward.

00:07:47.620 Pilate could find nothing wrong with Jesus, but he was in a bind because he knew that the crowd was crying for his crucifixion.

00:07:57.060 So he had him scourged, and the scourging was a terrible, terrible torture.

00:08:03.780 It consisted of being beaten by rods and then beaten with a phlegrum.

00:08:08.260 And the phlegrum is an instrument which has a short wooden handle, and on the end of the handle are five cords.

00:08:16.260 And on each end of these cords is a very sharp piece of lead.

00:08:24.180 And so when the soldiers struck Jesus, the lead embedded itself in his skin,

00:08:31.140 and with a flick of the wrist and pulling back, the soldier was able to bring Jesus' skin with the phlegrum.

00:08:39.300 And this was so much so that Jesus suffered hundreds of wounds.

00:08:44.740 We don't know how many lashes he took.

00:08:47.220 We know that the Jewish law was that you would have no more than 40 lashes, but the Romans had no such limitation.

00:08:55.460 And we know that Jesus suffered more than 40 lashes from two soldiers, one tall, one shorter.

00:09:03.380 And the force of this terrible, terrible phlegrum on the chest wall to start with caused the chest wall to try and protect itself, to protect the lungs.

00:09:17.700 And so it built up fluid between the chest wall and the lung.

00:09:21.780 That fluid we call pleurisy.

00:09:24.180 And the pleurisy increased to such a stage that the lungs were compressed, and so Jesus began to be short of breath.

00:09:32.420 And then that force was also transmitted to the heart.

00:09:35.460 And so the lining of the heart, which is called the pericardium, it also poured out fluid to protect the heart muscle.

00:09:43.460 And that fluid is called pericarditis, and the pericarditis caused the heart to go into failure.

00:09:49.780 And so Jesus was even more short of breath and was turning blue.

00:09:55.220 And the favorite place for the phlegrum to be lodged in the body was in the loin, 0.86

00:10:02.580 which is that part of the back that is below the ribs and above the pelvis.

00:10:07.700 And the loin muscles protect the kidneys.

00:10:10.900 So the force on the loin muscles was transmitted to the kidneys, and the kidneys went into failure.

00:10:17.780 And as a result of that going into failure, the result was that Jesus was now even more short of breath.

00:10:24.100 His eyes were sunken in the orbit, and Jesus was, in fact, in very great confusion and fatigue.

00:10:39.300 So the confusion was there, and he would be confused as to where he should go or what he should do,

00:10:45.540 and you can be sure that the soldiers lashed him enough on the way to Calvary to make sure that he was going in the right direction.

00:10:54.260 So, if we look at the Shroud of Turin, we know that Jesus had a cap of thorns thrust down upon his head.

00:11:06.260 Now, this was not a nice woven crown, as you see on the crucifixes in today's houses.

00:11:14.580 The fact of the matter is, it was just a clump of thorns, which were put together and pressed down onto his sacred head.

00:11:23.300 And there is, the thorns would go into the skin at one point and appear out of the skin another point.

00:11:30.820 And if we look at the Shroud of Turin, there's an exit wound just over the supraorbital point of the eyebrow.

00:11:40.580 That's where the supraorbital nerve comes out of the skull, turns upwards, and provides a nervous area to the forehead of the patient.

00:11:54.100 And so this would be a very painful thing, because if you press on that point, it's on the inside of the eyebrow close to the nose.

00:12:03.540 And if you press on that, you will suffer quite severe pain.

00:12:07.060 And so I know that this exit wound caused tremendous pain for Jesus throughout the remainder of the Passion.

00:12:14.420 Now, they put 150 pounds of wood on his shoulders.

00:12:20.100 And the question really is, what did Jesus carry all the way to Golgotha?

00:12:25.820 And we know that Simon of Cyrene was seconded and forced to help Jesus.

00:12:31.540 And so he did carry a lot of the wood for Jesus on the way to Golgotha.

00:12:37.060 But having said that, the modern scholars unanimously insist that Jesus carried the crosspiece of the cross on his shoulders, that is to say, the patibulum.

00:12:51.620 Well, that just doesn't stand up to examination, in my opinion.

00:12:55.700 The crosspiece would be placed across the back of the neck, and his arms would be over the crosspiece, and he would carry it that way.

00:13:05.060 If that was the case, he would have a tremendous abrasion lesion on the back of the neck and across the shoulders, where the wood had rubbed the broken skin.

00:13:17.060 But that does not occur.

00:13:19.060 There is no such sign of any such wound in Jesus' body.

00:13:24.340 So, I doubt very much if he carried the patibulum.

00:13:28.260 And in fact, if we go to Scripture, Scripture says in John, the Gospel of John, that he carrying the cross by himself.

00:13:38.340 And when we look at the word cross, it is a Greek word, of course, and it's the word stouros.

00:13:44.340 And stouros means the upright of the cross, the upright, which is surprising.

00:13:51.460 And so, you can be sure, if Jesus carried the upright, then the Roman carpenters had already fixed the crosspiece onto the upright for convenience.

00:14:01.700 Because if it was not, then that crosspiece would have to be attached up in Golgotha at the crucifixion site,

00:14:10.300 and that would take minutes and minutes of work to do that.

00:14:14.720 It was clumsy, and what would they do with Jesus, who was almost at death's door at this point?

00:14:20.660 Would he have to stand around and wait, or lie down and wait?

00:14:24.940 It just would be messy, and the Roman soldiers were anything but messy. 0.99

00:14:29.740 So, I believe that they had already attached the crosspiece to the upright before Jesus set out on the road to the Via Dolorosa.

00:14:38.280 And so, I believe, therefore, that Jesus carried the whole cross, just as the church has depicted it for 2,000 years.

00:14:49.080 And that seems to me to sum up the situation for ourselves, and that we know that our Lord wanted to suffer everything.

00:15:01.200 He didn't want anything made easy for him, and so he took on the whole and entire weight of the cross

00:15:07.480 until, having fallen three times, he had to have Simon of Cyrene help him carry it the rest of the way.

00:15:14.680 So, one of the questions that often comes up here is this idea of crucifixion and how much pain it is with regard to being crucified.

00:15:27.960 We know none of his bones were broken, but yet are there nerves in the hands where he would have been crucified that he would have struck as well?

00:15:39.060 I've heard there is some talk of that. What's your take on that medically?

00:15:43.340 Well, we start with the nose. We know that the nose was displaced because one of the soldiers punched Jesus in the face

00:15:52.420 when he talked with Caiaphas, and the soldier took exception to it.

00:15:57.920 But it's interesting that the nose was displaced but not broken.

00:16:01.900 The lower part of the nose consists of cartilage, and it can easily be moved around, and that's what was displaced.

00:16:10.240 The upper part of the nose is bone, and it was not broken.

00:16:14.240 And Scripture tells us that not one of his bones were broken, and this agrees with that.

00:16:21.060 As to the crucifixion itself, the nails could not be put through the hands, the palms of the hands,

00:16:28.540 because had it done so, the weight of the body on the cross would have pulled the nails through the hand,

00:16:34.320 and it would have ripped the hand apart, and Jesus would have fallen from the cross.

00:16:38.580 So that did not happen. It had to be through the wrist.

00:16:43.600 And the Scripture does say that he was crucified by the nails in the hand.

00:16:49.100 But the important thing to understand is that the Aramaic word for hand includes the wrist.

00:16:55.480 There is no separate Aramaic word for wrist.

00:17:00.040 So the hand is the palm, the fingers, and the wrist bones itself.

00:17:05.760 And so when Jesus was being crucified, he was laid down on the cross on the ground,

00:17:12.320 and in the patibulum, the cross piece of the cross,

00:17:16.300 there were two holes already burned into the wood to take the nails.

00:17:20.340 And the first was no problem.

00:17:23.200 Jesus' left wrist was placed over the first hole, according to the Shroud of Turin,

00:17:28.820 and the nail was passed through the actual wrist bones through a space called the space of destart.

00:17:37.120 Destart was an orthopedic surgeon who first described this,

00:17:41.840 and that would have held Jesus' weight without any trouble.

00:17:45.340 The problem was the second wrist could not be placed over the hole because it was two or three inches short.

00:17:53.700 To the soldier who was crucifying Jesus, that was not a problem.

00:17:59.540 What he did was he put his foot into Jesus' underarm,

00:18:02.840 he pulled on his arm and dislocated the shoulder,

00:18:05.960 and this now gave him the extra two or three inches,

00:18:08.780 and the hand was now placed over the hole,

00:18:11.340 and the crucifixion could proceed as planned.

00:18:15.660 So it's as serious as that and as stark as that.

00:18:20.000 And when we appreciate that,

00:18:22.700 we begin to realize that Jesus underwent this voluntarily.

00:18:27.320 He did it because he loved us,

00:18:29.660 and loved us so infinitely in spite of our sinfulness,

00:18:33.260 in spite of seeing all our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane.

00:18:36.840 His love for us was so infinite and so powerful

00:18:40.260 that he voluntarily went through this kind of pain that we have just described.

00:18:48.060 That kind of brutality,

00:18:52.020 what are we to take away from it from a spiritual perspective?

00:18:56.120 I know Dr. Bob, in addition to being a medical doctor,

00:19:00.260 practiced about 20 years in psychotherapy,

00:19:03.020 and then, of course, is a deacon in the church for over 20 years, right?

00:19:09.220 Yes, 25 years.

00:19:10.420 25 years as a deacon as well.

00:19:12.160 So, I mean, you can speak to this issue from so many perspectives,

00:19:15.560 but there's one thing we, as Catholics and Christians now,

00:19:20.100 look at that and sort of are asked to picture

00:19:23.440 and visualize the brutality,

00:19:25.720 and the past, I think, did a very good job in portraying it,

00:19:28.340 probably more so than any other film ever did.

00:19:30.240 But you, the understanding, the brutality of this is just, it's unreal.

00:19:35.880 A lot of people actually can't even watch The Passion

00:19:37.520 because it's so brutal.

00:19:40.420 Yes.

00:19:42.040 What's the message for us?

00:19:43.560 What are we to take from that as Catholics and Christians?

00:19:46.320 That's a beautiful point,

00:19:47.860 and one which we ultimately have to discuss

00:19:51.380 in the light of what you describe as the brutality of the crucifixion.

00:19:55.940 And the brutality alone is enough to shock us and paralyze us,

00:20:01.460 and so we don't advance or grow or learn anything worthwhile from it

00:20:05.680 except how to forget it and put it out of our minds.

00:20:09.500 But the truth is that Jesus, hanging on the cross in full body pain,

00:20:16.280 was able to cry out for some reason or another,

00:20:19.480 somewhere deep within his humanity.

00:20:21.620 He found the strength to say,

00:20:23.980 Father, forgive them.

00:20:25.280 They know not what they do.

00:20:27.740 And Jesus, therefore, was not only telling us

00:20:31.340 that he had already forgiven us,

00:20:33.500 but he was pleading with his Father to do exactly the same thing.

00:20:37.840 And so he was saying,

00:20:39.080 in spite of your sinfulness,

00:20:41.080 in spite of the mocking and the scorn

00:20:43.280 and the jeers that the people were offering him,

00:20:47.540 Jesus wanted to let them know that he forgave them.

00:20:52.180 And he even forgave those whom he had cured from many serious diseases,

00:20:58.420 but who still were mocking him on Calvary.

00:21:01.600 Now, the lesson from that is,

00:21:07.660 if Jesus could forgive us for murdering him

00:21:10.700 and with such torture and brutality,

00:21:13.520 does he not also have the right to demand and ask us

00:21:17.940 to forgive our neighbor who has hurt us?

00:21:21.080 Because no hurt that we experience,

00:21:24.000 whether it's a betrayal,

00:21:25.300 whether it's stealing,

00:21:26.720 whether it's lies,

00:21:28.060 whether it's character assassination,

00:21:29.800 whether it's even physical pain,

00:21:33.120 none of that can compare

00:21:34.840 to what Jesus underwent voluntarily

00:21:37.680 for you and I and our salvation.

00:21:39.840 And so he has a right to command us to forgive

00:21:42.980 and we are asked,

00:21:44.680 not just asked by Jesus,

00:21:46.580 but he commands us.

00:21:48.300 He doesn't say,

00:21:49.420 forgive if you feel like it

00:21:50.740 or forgive if you do the best you can

00:21:52.800 and that'll be enough.

00:21:54.300 He doesn't say any of that.

00:21:55.980 He provides no excuses.

00:21:57.800 He says,

00:21:58.580 I have forgiven you.

00:22:00.320 You must forgive your enemy.

00:22:03.120 And we discover that

00:22:04.600 if we return a blessing for a curse

00:22:06.920 to our enemy,

00:22:07.980 an incredible miracle takes place.

00:22:11.100 The enemy loses his power,

00:22:15.120 loses his ammunition,

00:22:16.920 loses his righteous indignation,

00:22:19.700 and he is faced with the fact

00:22:21.280 that although he has tried to hurt you,

00:22:23.480 you are returning a blessing for that curse.

00:22:26.400 And that blessing is pouring

00:22:27.820 red-hot coals upon his head

00:22:30.140 and may result in the very healing

00:22:33.260 that is necessary between you and your enemy

00:22:35.860 so that your enemy now becomes your friend.

00:22:39.000 So, one of the things you mentioned,

00:22:41.300 you know, Jesus said these words.

00:22:43.500 He said his sort of seven last phrases

00:22:45.820 from the cross.

00:22:47.440 One of the things,

00:22:48.880 those must have cost him to speak

00:22:52.580 because you mentioned he was already short of breath

00:22:55.280 after the scourging,

00:22:56.540 let alone after the carrying of the cross,

00:22:58.660 being crucified,

00:22:59.880 having the nails driven through his hands and feet,

00:23:01.700 having his shoulder separated.

00:23:08.440 Medically, what did it cost him to be able to speak?

00:23:11.920 It cost him every last ounce

00:23:13.360 of his physical and spiritual and emotional energy.

00:23:17.180 It took a tremendous effort

00:23:21.240 to make those seven statements.

00:23:23.680 The one I love most of all,

00:23:26.100 apart from his forgiveness,

00:23:28.540 is,

00:23:29.320 Woman, behold thy son,

00:23:30.940 son, behold thy mother,

00:23:32.880 where he asked Mary

00:23:34.360 to become the mother of us all.

00:23:37.980 And it's interesting.

00:23:39.220 Why did he give Mary to John,

00:23:41.960 who wasn't even a relative,

00:23:44.000 whereas Jewish law and custom was

00:23:46.580 that Jesus would hand Mary over 0.97

00:23:49.340 to the eldest daughter or the eldest son?

00:23:52.120 He didn't do that

00:23:53.300 because there was no daughter

00:23:54.680 and there was no son other than him.

00:23:56.820 He was Mary's only son

00:23:58.480 and he had no blood brothers and sisters at all.

00:24:02.840 And so that to me

00:24:03.600 is a wonderful piece of truth

00:24:05.200 that I can hold on to

00:24:06.460 as I worship Jesus,

00:24:09.640 as I give glory to Mary and her name.

00:24:13.240 And for the rest of my life,

00:24:14.460 I hope that I am able

00:24:15.580 to give that glory to her

00:24:16.980 that Jesus wanted her to have.

00:24:19.500 He said,

00:24:20.380 Honor your father and mother.

00:24:22.440 And the word honor in Hebrew

00:24:24.560 is actually better translated as glorify.

00:24:27.760 So Jesus glorified his mother 0.82

00:24:29.720 and I wish from the grace from Jesus

00:24:33.340 always to glorify her.

00:24:35.360 And how did,

00:24:40.720 tell us medically if you could,

00:24:42.920 how do you get to,

00:24:44.940 from a hanging position,

00:24:47.560 be able to speak?

00:24:50.300 Because I've heard it's very difficult to speak.

00:24:52.220 It's extremely difficult

00:24:53.340 because you cannot hold yourself up

00:24:56.800 in a position to be breathing

00:24:58.300 for very long

00:24:59.880 because it's so painful

00:25:00.840 and so you let go,

00:25:01.980 the body sags

00:25:03.440 and you cannot breathe at that point.

00:25:06.200 And so to take the next breath,

00:25:07.660 you have to pull yourself up again

00:25:09.600 very powerfully and very painfully

00:25:11.740 to be able to take that next breath.

00:25:14.280 So this is what happens with Jesus.

00:25:17.600 He found it very difficult to get wind,

00:25:21.820 to be able to breathe,

00:25:23.160 to be able to even speak.

00:25:24.880 And yet,

00:25:25.860 in that amazing, amazing power

00:25:28.580 that he had as a human man,

00:25:31.220 a divine man,

00:25:32.820 but with a human nature,

00:25:34.460 that he was able to find the energy

00:25:36.940 to be able to do those things for us.

00:25:40.700 What,

00:25:42.180 in light of it being Easter,

00:25:45.320 and, you know,

00:25:46.860 you've just reflected,

00:25:48.360 both from a medical perspective,

00:25:50.260 but also spiritually,

00:25:51.160 on the immense suffering of Christ

00:25:54.060 all the way during Lent,

00:25:55.480 but especially in Holy Week,

00:25:56.680 and Passion Week,

00:25:57.300 and then Holy Week,

00:25:58.520 what are your final thoughts for us?

00:26:00.400 My final thought is that

00:26:02.000 we are a privileged people,

00:26:05.020 that in spite of our sinfulness,

00:26:07.260 Jesus did come

00:26:08.300 and suffered all of this

00:26:10.260 so that we could have eternal life.

00:26:13.020 And so therefore,

00:26:13.860 our attitude should be one of gratitude

00:26:15.780 to Jesus for what he endured.

00:26:18.200 Our attitude should be one of meditation

00:26:20.100 on what he endured and suffered

00:26:21.800 in order that we appreciate more and more

00:26:24.440 just how much love he showed to us.

00:26:26.860 And our attitude should be always

00:26:29.460 one of reaching out to our neighbor,

00:26:33.340 to our brothers and sisters,

00:26:34.980 and offering them the same forgiveness

00:26:36.880 that Jesus offered us

00:26:38.420 in our personal lives.

00:26:40.720 Beautiful.

00:26:41.320 If you wouldn't mind,

00:26:42.000 Deacon Bob,

00:26:42.800 end off with your blessing

00:26:44.340 for everyone watching, please.

00:26:45.600 Right.

00:26:46.160 Well, may the God of peace

00:26:47.420 make you perfect in holiness.

00:26:49.460 May he preserve you whole

00:26:50.820 and entire spirit, soul, and body,

00:26:53.360 irreproachable at the coming

00:26:54.720 of our Lord Jesus Christ.

00:26:56.720 And we ask God to bless you

00:26:58.380 in the name of the Father

00:26:59.400 and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

00:27:01.980 Amen.

00:27:02.620 Amen.

00:27:03.560 God bless you, Deacon Bob.

00:27:04.600 Thank you so much.

00:27:05.460 Thank you very much, John Henry.

00:27:06.780 That's great.

00:27:08.040 And God bless all of you.

00:27:09.880 And we'll see you next time.

00:27:10.740 We'll see you next time.

The John-Henry Westen Show - April 23, 2024

A Doctor at Calvary： A Medical Perspective on the Wounds of Christ on the Cross

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