A Pontiff for Our Time： The Promise of Pope Leo XIV ｜ Patrick Coffin
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In the wake of Pope Leo XIX s election as the new Pope of the United States, what does it mean for the Catholic Church and the world? Jonathan and Jonathan talk to Catholic activist Patrick Codden, who was a long-time Catholic Answers host and now hosts The Patrick Coffin Show on Catholic Answers.
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So that was a moment in time captured on camera where Pope Leo XIV is walking in an aisle.
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It's a sea of media professionals. So everyone in that room are all about journalism and image
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and media perception. And if you'll notice, he seems to have noticed the rainbow flag in his
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peripheral vision on his left, so the viewer's right. And he just discreetly moves his attention
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in a kind of redirect to the other side. He gives kind of symbolic spiritual high fives.
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He's doing well-wishing and greeting and blessing people on the right-hand side. And then he turns
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back and gives his attention to the full room. This is a big sea change. We would not have seen
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this under Francis. This is a very quiet, non-condemnatory, non-confrontative message.
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And in 2012, when he was Bishop Prevost of Chiclayo, Peru, the Peruvian context is much more
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conservative in general than American culture. And he said some very strong things against the
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homosexual lifestyle and the adoption of children by homosexual couples. And then as the gender
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ideology began to take root in our culture and kind of a mind virus inside the church, he said some
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very strong things against it. So this is a man who knows not only the power of media perception,
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but also how to marry the theology with the words. And I look forward to the next little
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poker tell that this Holy Father gives the Universal Church. I want to thank all the people
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who donated to my Give, Send, Go. It's still open. There's still lots of work to do. Doing what I
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hope and pray is prophetic journalism. From Rome, this is Patrick Coffin. Be a saint. What else is there?
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Hello, my friends. We are here outside of St. Peter's Basilica, where a new pope has been elected,
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Leo XIV. We're here with Patrick Coffin, a Catholic activist. He was known for a long time
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on Catholic Answers and now is doing the Patrick Coffin Show. And a man of great faith, but also
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a great study. And I'd like to get his perspective both on the new Leo XIV, and then we're going to
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talk about news and everything else, but also some piece of history and how we can make this make
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sense in our world today. Stay tuned for this episode of the Jonathan Weston Show. Patrick,
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so good to be with you, my man. Thanks for the invite. Yeah. Let's begin as well. Let's do it.
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Son of the cross. In the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Wow. It's all surreal.
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I'm still in pinch me mode from yesterday. I know. That was pretty nuts because it was like we were
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sort of filming and doing and then bing, bing. Seriously? Where were you when the white smoke happened?
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Right down the road. Yeah. Because in here, the signals were jammed. Naturally. So you had no
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reception. It was unreal. Makes sense. So let's get to this. You're an American. Well, now. And
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you've got an American vote. Yes. So what's your first take just on that? That's one of the strangest
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elements of the experience from yesterday. Realizing, you know, it's like you hear something
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and there's cognitive dissonance. Did I really? Is it Robert Prevost, the Chicago guy who was in
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Peru? Yeah. And then you put that together and you connect those dots. Oh, American Pope. American
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Pope for most Catholics of every generation is an oxymoron. Like impossible, right? They don't have
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the votes. They don't have the numbers or they don't have the linguistic ability or whatever it is.
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And here we are. Only heaven's perfect. No matter who the candidate is, and I include every Pope,
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there's going to be something about the way he says something or some element of his worldview that
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you might have a quibble about. Overall, I don't know what your experience was. I was front and
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center about 80 yards beneath the balcony when he came out. And I was staring because I thought
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the word that came to mind was resplendent. He'd look very much like in the line or at least the
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symbolic attire mode of Pope Benedict XVI. He had the pallium, the whatever, the mosetta, I think it is.
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Kind of the fur line, almost medieval. I thought, man. And I didn't know much about him until about
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two or three weeks ago. For him to deliberately appear that way for his big reveal, I thought said
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something. Also the choice of the name, Leo XIV. That's in continuity with things I'm madly in love
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with. But Leo the Great, Leo XIII, one of the great unheralded. Now you and I've talked about Leo
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XIII. This is a Pope who reigned the longest in church history. I think he was 94 years old when he was
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still cranking out awesome encyclicals. He wrote 11 encyclicals on the rosary alone. Think of that.
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I could write an essay. 11 encyclicals just on the rosary. I don't want to overplay that card and
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over-interpret things. But I think that is a sign of his base level priorities. I know there's some
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negatives we can talk about and things that didn't make my wish list. But overall on par, I thought he
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sounded joyful. I mean, what would that be like? You're talking Irby at Orby, and five minutes ago
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you were playing baseball in South South Chicago, and now you're the vicar of Christ on earth.
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But I thought he was at ease in his own skin. He seemed natural, if that's the right word.
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There was none of the weirdness. Every Catholic I know says on March 13, 2013, there was an element of
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oddness with Francis. I didn't get any oddness with Pope Leo XIV. As soon as this happened,
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I got tweets. Trump was telegraphing when he put himself out on the AI photo as Pope. He knew it
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was an American. The Vatican worked out a financial deal so they won't have to pay tariffs.
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Yeah, the Trump AI thing, I think, was a dumb joke. It didn't land well. I wasn't happy about it. I
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wasn't deeply offended. A lot of people have been doing the papal meme thing.
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And my litmus test is, would I like it if Joe Biden's head was on? And the answer is no.
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Lila XIII, let's go back to him for a second, because Lila XIII was the big one of the vision
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and the St. Michael prayer. Of all the times that the world has needed kind of an exorcism,
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now is the time. I'm hoping, I'm praying he sees some of that. That might be also some of the flavor
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I understand that the anniversary of that apparition was yesterday, May 8th. So that's
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another providential lineup. Not St. Michael, the Archangel feast day. That's September 29th.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know of the apparition which gave him the prayer.
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Yeah, the St. Michael prayer. And he sort of...
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This is something written a lot about in the biographies. Some of the elements that have
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attached themselves might be apocryphal. But after saying Mass in St. Peter's, the Holy Father,
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Pope Lila XIII, was given a vision of Satan being granted 100 years of mayhem and adventure. And that
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would have basically described the 20th century. It rained until I think in the late, just before St.
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Pius X. So on the cusp of the beginning of the 20th century, that was his papal reign. And he kind
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of looked forward in this vision to what was about to come. No one envisioned the bloodshed,
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the Christian martyrdom, World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam. It's the most violent history in
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the world. In that hundred years slice that if the vision is correct and as reported, I think it was
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vindicated. But also in the middle of all that darkness and bloodshed, you had May 13th to May,
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October 13th, 1917 with the Blessed Virgin Mary. And her message in Fatima also has a 100-year
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bookend to it. So there's some providential overlap between darkness and despair and the hope of the
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gospel without compromise, which is to me the heart of the message of Fatima. So there's so much to
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unpack about just the choice of name. There is. And since you brought up Fatima, there's something
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very interesting here. This is a young man for Pope. Popes usually aren't 60. We could have 30 years.
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Pope Leo XIV. So he's going to make a mark in history, barring something else. He's also going
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to reign over that 100-year period of Fatima. Many people think that the 100-year timeline for Fatima
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was in 2017. It's not. It was 2029. In 1917, she appeared to the kids and told them she's going to come
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back and ask for something. And then she said that in 1929, asked for the consecration of Russia.
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And that's when the sort of clock begins, if you will. And it runs out in 2029.
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Exactly. And so most popes, especially six-year-olds, last at least five years.
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So that's also an interesting thing. I look forward to the day that he really, really encourages
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the faithful to pray the five for Saturdays from Fatima, but then also makes a consecration
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of Russia that's just a consecration of Russia. Well, let's see.
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A lot of my friends say, you only had one job. Concentrate Russia to the Evaculate Heart.
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We'll see. Let me turn the tables a little bit. Where are you on the sister of the Shia was swapped
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out with someone else? It's an interesting thing. I had the guy on who promotes that theory. He showed
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the drawings, the sketches of what, not sketches, photos of the chin line and the facial things that
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are different. I've struggled with it. I don't know. I'm a very firm believer in the secret not
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being revealed. That's because to me, that's obvious. It was very plain to the most famous writers.
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Fr. Michel wrote on, I think, the biggest volumes on Fatima. And it was so clear for everyone.
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When the visions did come through in 2000, even if they are the vision, there's no explanation.
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With the first visions, there was vision and explanation. They see how, and they freak out,
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and our lady then explains to them what it means. Here's just a vision that's inexplicable,
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and we have the explanation from Bertone. Thanks. No, thanks. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point.
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I saw footage of her voting, and she doesn't know her name. The voting staffer has to tell her who
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her name is, and then she agrees. It's a little bit odd. I like to hue as close as I can to the
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facts, but things like that kind of make you go, huh? Yeah. I mean, you're one of the most famous
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people in the world, and you're on camera seeming a bit confused about who you are. It adds a bit of
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fuel to that fire. It can, but also can come with age, but who knows? I mean, these things are so
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weird. When I had a theory about a young pope, because there was a lot of banter back and forth
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these last couple of weeks. Oh, they're never going to go for a young pope because they don't do that.
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And I remembered, well, wait a minute. John Paul I, when he was here, they came in, vote for him,
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and then they were exhausted, came in. One month later, they were all back. And when they got back,
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they were like, that's it. Not doing that again. We're going to get someone who's going to last.
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And that gave us John Paul the Great. Well, now I think, I honestly think America played a huge role
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in this election. The dotering Biden running around as the leader of the United States,
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of the greatest, you know, the power in every world for so long. I think that basically scared
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a lot of the carbon, because they're coming from all over the world, and they all watched Biden.
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So I did, I don't think they wanted a super old man who might use it like Biden did on the public
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stage. He's super young for pope. Is he 69 or 70? I want to say 69. He was Bishop of Chiclayo, Peru.
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Now, in the Archdiocese of Halifax, there was a longtime mission that the parishioners there
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supported in Chiclayo. So I've heard that name Chiclayo my whole life, and I've never been there.
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It's a small city north of Lima. The first Archbishop of Lima is Sato Toribio de Mongrovejo.
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Why do I know him? Because his feast day is my birthday, March 23rd. So the proving connection
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with Chiclayo was known to me. And then I began to do a little bit more reading. And I know that he
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was, at least if you listen to Catholic Twitter, he was the James Martin pick. And some of the bad,
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the black-headed folks who are very active on social media were pushing him, which is to me a
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negative. But that's part of the chatter that I don't pay too much attention to.
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Well, it's really real because yesterday, Father Martin put out another tweet rejoicing and
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everything else. So yeah, there's some reality to it. Also, his brothers were on television.
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Both his brothers, I think one was in Florida, saying how basically he would continue from Francis,
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that he loved Francis. And it wouldn't be much of a change. They both had the same issues since that.
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I don't know if it was the same brother that I saw, but this one was saying that growing up,
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Rob, he called him, was the holy one. And they always teased him, you're going to be pope one
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day. And then he became ordained, and then he was a bishop. And then once he got the red hat,
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all the family were like, this could happen. But it still didn't change the fact that he was dizzy
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Because everyone who says it's an American pope is making a joke. And at least we got a new joke.
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You lost the joke, hopefully. My hope is we gain the joke back, is the pope Catholic? And we lose
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You never know what the grace of, I know it's not ordination, the papacy is not a sacrament,
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but hearing about all the people that want to be his mascot, like Father Martin, who glums onto
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anything he thinks is going to have legs for his cliques, and that engagement, that's fine.
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Beckett is the proto-Man for All Seasons. It came out in 1962, I think.
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Thomas Beckett and his longtime friend, they used to carouse and drink and fornegate together
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when they were young men. The king replaces the older man, who was the chancellor, with his
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buddy, expecting the buddy to go along and rubber stamp everything he did, which was probably
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going to happen until he was ordained archbishop. And in that moment of ordination, you can tell
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everything about Richard Burton's character changes, and that's what led to his martyrdom,
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is just having the grace of office and the new level of fuel-injected fidelity to the gospel.
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Wow. Well, as the story goes, that's exactly the same as Pius IX, right? Pius IX has this whole
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history of coming in a quasi-liberal, and then he gets made the Holy Father. It's not quite
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at the moment of, but I think all hell breaks loose in Italy, and then he changes. And he
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becomes the Pope of, you know, doctrine like nobody else. So there is, I totally believe
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in the grace of the office. I love miracles and the possibility of miracles, because we're
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Let's get to what we know of Robert Prevost now, Pope Leo XIV. The most concerning thing right off
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the bat for me was his dealings as the head of the Congregation for Bishops. He took out Strickland
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from Tyler, Texas, and he installed McElroy into Washington, D.C. That all by itself is
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ostensibly, I would say, is sinful if you knew about them, because I don't see how as a Catholic
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you can do that. Now, everybody's going to say it wasn't his call. He was the head of the
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congregation, but it was Francis who ordered and wanted it. So he has that. And my huge contention
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is, let's say that's the case. If that's the case, then the one sign that everybody on earth
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needs to look to is the restoration of Bishop Strickland as the one sign that will show that
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this is real, and this isn't Francis 2.0, and that this isn't some kind of... Because honestly,
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your position on Strickland, for my money, he was the holiest bishop in the United States. The guy
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prayed all the time. He was simple. He was straightforward. The people loved him. 700.
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100 families moved to Tyler in a little room of nowhere for this guy.
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I consider Bishop Strickland a friend. He and I were on a pilgrimage together, Fatima in France,
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and every stop in every big city and small village, the same thing would happen. A seminarian or a
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priest would recognize him, beeline for him, and get down on one knee for his blessing. That Bishop
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Strickland has that kind of cowpoke East Texas thing about him, anti-celebrity, classic introvert,
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and he was always very humbly willing to bless things and, you know, even though tired at times,
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Stanford's self, he's very kind. I don't know if you knew this, but he was never given a reason for
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his removal. There's some canonical questions about the proper form that was taken in that.
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If personnel is policy, I think you're right. I think his reinstitution and some other names of
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priests and others who have been suspended, if they're restored, that's definitely in the credit side of
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the ledger. Well, absolutely. That would be a signal to the whole world. It's an injustice that
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he was party to. It's not often in life where you get a redo. And in his case, it's sort of unfair
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redo because it might be that he's getting a bum rap because it wasn't his call and he had to do it.
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And although you could say on the other side, you wouldn't have done that. We don't know that that
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was his call and he went along with it. Maybe he had to or whatever. Yeah. But he now has almost
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like never happens. He has the opportunity to undo an evil that he was complicit in, in some respect,
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how much he was guilty for. We don't know, but he had a hand in it and he would admit he had a hand
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in it. Is he going to heal the rest? To be announced. We'll see. I'll be very interested in
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his first encyclical, his first message from on the Wednesday audience. Yeah. Often the first one out of
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the gate, remember with John Paul II was redemptor hominis and he laid that foundation. There's so
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many seeds of the future things that John Paul II would say are present like a little acorn in that
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first encyclical. Two other things about then Bishop and then Archbishop Prévost, Cardinal Prévost,
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and now Pope Leo XIV, I want to mention. One is he has been very strong out of his way almost to
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condemn gender ideology and also the feminist virus in the mind of the church. I just read something that he
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said a few years ago that on the question of women's ordination, which is a flat no,
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declarizing women doesn't elevate them. It just adds more confusions. Now you might say, oh,
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it's low hanging fruit. Of course there's only two genders, but how many people in the church,
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in leadership say it? Yeah. Say the thing. Catholics want their leaders to say the thing
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and that he has said. Now there's a rumor. I want to start with the rumor that you've probably heard.
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When John Paul II was in Baltimore, there was a guard dog and the dog stopped and the Pope,
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oh yeah, and John Paul II said something about Wizard Chapel nearby. Turns out the dog was
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exactly in line with the Eucharist. Now I hope that's just one of those, I hope that little
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anecdote's true. Maybe it's not true. I heard a rumor this week that a seminarian somewhere on the
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east coast spotted, then Archbishop Pervo saying the traditional Latin mass. Now without confirmation,
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it's a nice sounding rumor. I just saw a photo of him in full fiddleback,
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sacerdotal regalia. And I'm locating which mass that was. It was somewhere in a chapel,
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if not in St. Peter, underground last year. So this is kind of recent. I'm sorry, that's more doing
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than saying. That means something if you're going to do that, because it means he said it before.
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No, no one with a red hat is going to humiliate himself celebrating a mass that's much more
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complex and longer than the Novus Ordemissi. So two more signs of hope to me.
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A lot being written, of course, the Italians have to do it. They're the ones who we didn't know. They
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have so many contacts here. And a lot is being written about secret deals and secret agreements,
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about Pervos going into a meeting with Cardinal Burke at Burke's residence, about a dinner on
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Sunday with Erdo and having 40 or so of the more conservative cardinals there. That I know is
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true. But what went on behind those doors, we don't know. If you follow LifeSite closely,
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you will have noticed that we got a tip about a week ago now that it was Pervos. And so before
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the election on the 6th, we put out this huge thing going through where he's coming from.
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Yes. And he, like everyone else, I guess you could say, fell in hard for the COVID prep.
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And this was really tough for me. He not only insisted on community in the hand,
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he wanted confession by phone. And so that's a really tough one. I don't think confession by phone
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It isn't. I would love to hear chapter and verse on that. Because that's, it can't even
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be in multiple languages. You can't fax it. You can't text. Have a solution.
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So those are hard things. That was reported on Info Farakana, by the way. A lot of the COVID stuff
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is verifiable. You know, we did the, or he did the be in a mask and preach stuff, talk to media.
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He's big on environmental stuff, which is painful. And he's very anti-American immigration policy,
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specifically Trump, American immigration policy. He argued against Vance's position about
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Yes. Under JP2 and under Benedict, there was a different thing going on. It wasn't a perfection.
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We still had Assisi. We still had, but you know what? Everybody, their dog and their cat understood
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that in Assisi, John Paul was trying to bring everybody to the church. It wasn't about, oh,
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you'll be a good Muslim and I will, you know, no. He was kissing the Quran. He did do that,
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but it's about the truth and only the truth and come to the truth. So you have some truth in there,
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but it is not, it comes to the real truth. But for this kind of thing, it is, it's tough. We need
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a Catholic again. And I truly think we could get there. I think a lot of people were bamboozled by
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COVID and the nonsense. What do you make of his course for synodality also from the loggia?
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Yeah. Synodality is one of those words that was invented last Tuesday that was supposed to
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pretend we've heard our whole lives. I don't know what it means, literally. It's word salad. I think
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it means being nice and open and listening. I don't see the word appearing in scripture or sacred
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tradition or any material document, but it is bandied about as the verb du jour or the noun du jour.
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I think it's something that leaders glom onto because it sounds kind of relevant. It's like objection
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proof. You're against synodality? You're, you're mean. Jesus was nice. The model that present that is
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presented by synodality to me is, is the confused German thing. Yeah. And we, we, that's been with
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us since the sixties. Yeah. It's don't give us a Pope that gives direction. Um, suggestion is okay,
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as long as we're okay to go the other way. Um, what do you think will happen with China? That was a big
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thing with Peraline and, uh, Zen probably did the harshest intervention that any Cardinal's done with
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another Cardinal in many, many years, called him not a Christian, uh, or, or not having the faith
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multiple times, once in 2013 and then a decade later. Um, so what, what do you make of that?
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And the ousting of Peraline, the story about apparently about Maradiaga storming out,
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he couldn't get it going for Peraline is true. So your thoughts?
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I would like to know what Cardinal Prevost, um, interaction was with Peraline and the decision
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to, to make this intrinsically evil deal with the communist Chinese. I would like to see,
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if not this Pope, then a future Pope do what I thought maybe Pope Benedict would do. And that is
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act as the vicar of Christ to China, the way John Paul II did with the Soviet Union. Wow.
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I would love to hope and pray that it will be Pope Leo the 14th to, uh,
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defrost the church in China. Think of the practicing Catholics in jail as we speak.
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How many inches has the, has the knife gone into their backs when they're willing to suffer so
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much for Christ in his church? And it's funny because they were in there specifically because
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they upheld papacy. Right. This is, maybe we're still in that 100 years of martyrdom,
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red and white. Um, that's, that's in the category of we shall see.
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Even though there's lots to know and there's lots of sad stuff, I've, there's signal things that I'm
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looking for that I think are baseline because the restoration of the faith itself, we can't go
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forward with, we're just going to accept where Fennuccio's implicants have us and then just,
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you know, go from there. We're, this is the new reality. Like that's the one place I think
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a conservative, like a political analogy makes sense. The conservatives, when they get in,
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they don't roll back except for Trump. Trump, Trump was an exception. They usually get in and
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we're just going to hold here. We're not going to make worse. Yeah. But the liberals, oh my gosh,
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strewn as fast as they can. Yeah. They're much more anti-status quo than conservatives.
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So that's one thing that scares me. The possibility of just cementing the Francis Magisterium as if it's
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normal Catholicism and going forward, because then I think we're flying under a false flag.
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I think one of the 800 pound elephants in the chancery is the documents of the Second Vatican
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Council. Catholics, especially conservative Catholic Inc. loves to complain about the spirit
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of Vatican II, how those crazy liberals have, have missing, you know, miss, misshapen the, uh,
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the council itself. There's no such thing as a debate over the spirit of Trent. Why? Because
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there's no ambiguity in the documents. You might disagree with them, but there's no doubt about
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what they're saying and what they intend. I think, and, uh, I think that I've got some grounds for
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hope here that the documents themselves in some parts may be subject to future revision as the
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catechism of the Catholic church, which John Paul II described in the first edition, 1983 as a sure
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norm for the faith. Well, that sure norm was, was tweaked on the question of, uh, the nature of
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lying and also the availability and the suitability of the death penalty. So there's precedent for
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official, the dust is on it. It's out there being revised. Yeah. Um, the document on religious
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freedoms, uh, certain sections of the guidance of respect to contraception and so on. A lot of the
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documents of the Second Vatican Council bear the stamp of the sunny 1960s, the heady, uh, the only
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constant is change and kind of the, the, the age of Aquarius. I don't think it's a lunatic
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leftist at its core. And I, I accept it as a Catholic, but I do think that some of the ambiguities
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can be cleaned up because the bishops that rubber stamped the documents, including Archbishop
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Lefebvre, they came back to their dioceses and they, they, uh, they implemented it according to
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their own lights. That that's when it all kind of came loose. That's when all of the, the abuse
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scandal happened. That's the bleed out of the church. That all happened between 65 and 75.
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That's the, I won't call it the sweet spot. Let's call it the sour spot of when things,
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a lot of things fell off the rails. I would love to see a resurgence of the traditional
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at mass. My dream is just me, John Henry. My dream is just, can we just delete the Novus
00:27:48.640
Ordemus say, can we just go back to the previous 900 years where mass is the mass is the mass
00:27:56.800
Yeah. You know what I think would have the best chance of that is the, um, ordinary at mass,
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which is basically TLM in the vernacular. Yeah. The English, I mean, they invented the
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language, so props to them. Uh, the ordinary at mass is very, very regal and, and beautiful.
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There's so much to unpack. Any final thoughts for us on, uh, Louis, Louis, Leo, the 14th.
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I'm not on the close personal, you know, relationship. I don't call him Louis yet. I think there's
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meaning in his choice of the name. Uh, I think there's meaning in his choice of a very traditional
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appearance, uh, in his, his, uh, his media debut splash, if you will. Um, Jesus Christ is Lord.
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He's the head of the Catholic church. Uh, we've had good, bad and different popes. Uh, it's not
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Peter is the rock. Patrick isn't. And I, I liken what, what Catholics are undergoing now with all
00:28:46.100
the confusion and the, and the uncertain sound from so many pulpits, our Lord, it seems to me that
00:28:51.460
he's in a power nap at the front of the boat. And I would rather have our Lord and savior with us
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fast asleep than the alternative. And I, I, for one don't want to be one of the disciples. He
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rebukes when he wakes up. Yeah. So, you know, we keep vigil, we stay close to the sacraments
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and, uh, we rejoice that there's such a thing as the gospel without compromise. And we pray for
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hopefully the 14th, that he can embody the office as, as we have hungered for too many years.
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Biggest encouragement that I had, believe it or not, it's such a small thing. It wasn't investments.
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It, uh, wasn't the Latin prayers when he was praying and said the name of Jesus,
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who about, Oh, it was so small, but I thought that's really beautiful. And then when he went
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to give his first blessing, he started to tear up those things for me touched me. But that's where
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hope was for me anyway. It's the tiniest things, but yeah. And he, he did say he was the son of
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Augustine, not sort of, you know, you know, Hans Kung or something like that as the same Brooklyn
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could be a waste. God bless you. It's an honor to connect with you again. Thanks for the time.
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Appreciate it. And God bless all of you. We'll see you next time.
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