The John-Henry Westen Show - Abby Johnson Calls Out Cowards ｜ Stop Compromising!

00:00:00.000 It's hard to take a movement seriously if you say something is murder, but you don't act like it.

00:00:11.980 We are here at Bringing America Back to Life conference in Cleveland, Ohio,

00:00:16.500 and the whole conference was closed by a stunning speaker who blew everyone away.

00:00:22.120 And for your entertainment value, it is now 11 o'clock at night and said speaker has nonetheless agreed to come on and speak with us.

00:00:34.620 It was so stunning what she said that it really moved not only all the, you know, thousand plus pro-lifers in the audience,

00:00:44.640 but also the ones who've been fighting this fight for many, many years.

00:00:48.580 I talked to some of them. They were really stunned, particularly by what she said with regard to,

00:00:54.800 are we winning? What's the real problem going on in America, in the world regarding abortion?

00:01:00.880 You're going to want to stay tuned for this John Hunter Weston show with none other than Abby Johnson.

00:01:05.820 Abby, so good to be with you.

00:01:07.260 So good to be with you.

00:01:08.660 Your stunning conclusion to your stunning talk was something that was really hard hitting.

00:01:14.880 You started with something that moved my heart because you mentioned Canada.

00:01:19.120 If you wouldn't mind, give us a rundown on that.

00:01:21.260 So I just I just flew in from Canada.

00:01:23.920 I was I hadn't even in Lethbridge, Alberta.

00:01:27.920 And I've always really admired the Canadian pro-life movement because as long as I've been speaking in Canada,

00:01:39.840 I have appreciated the fact that they are consistently no compromise on the issue of abortion.

00:01:49.940 And I that is in stark contrast to the pro-life movement in the United States.

00:01:57.260 The pro-life movement in the United States is always willing and ready to compromise on the issue of the murder of our pre-born.

00:02:08.040 I definitely used to be a person that said, win what you can, get what you can, save as many as you can.

00:02:17.120 But I've now just really realized over the past few years how terribly inconsistent that is.

00:02:25.480 I think the pro-abortion movement sees that as terribly inconsistent as well.

00:02:29.780 And I think it's hard to take a movement seriously if you say something is murder, but you don't act like it.

00:02:42.640 You know, it would be like the groups that want to abolish the death penalty,

00:02:49.260 but they only think half of death penalty cases should be abolished.

00:02:54.840 You know, that would be ridiculous and they would not get any traction and no one would take them seriously.

00:03:02.500 Yet that has been the pro-life movement in the United States for decades is, you know, always willing to compromise, 0.77

00:03:12.480 always willing to say, OK, well, you know, you can murder babies up until this point, but not past this point.

00:03:17.580 Or, you know, in these cases, not in these cases.

00:03:21.180 And I just think that as a whole, I think if we wouldn't have allowed ourselves to be on the defense for the past 50 years,

00:03:31.280 I think that we would actually see some significant progress.

00:03:36.300 I mean, of course, the pro-life movement, you know, everybody's happy that Roe's been overturned.

00:03:40.580 And I mean, I guess I could say the same thing because, you know, every pro-life group will tell you, you know,

00:03:46.680 it was a it was a legislative decision that belonged in the ash heap of history.

00:03:50.700 Right. That's what every pro-life group says.

00:03:53.820 But, you know, is the country really better off now that Roe's been overturned?

00:03:57.420 I like I can't tell you that I say I can't tell you that I agree with that.

00:04:02.080 Abortion is up.

00:04:04.080 Late term abortion is at historically high levels.

00:04:06.700 Chemical abortion is available in every single state legally in every single state.

00:04:14.440 Every, you know, pro-life group in the state of Texas and Louisiana and Alabama,

00:04:19.960 you know, all these places where abortion is supposedly illegal will tell you that no abortions are happening.

00:04:24.180 But that's a blatant lie.

00:04:26.260 I live in the state of Texas and women are they have access legal access to abortion every single day, 1.00

00:04:32.040 you know, by the hundreds every week.

00:04:34.900 Like, you know, University of Texas and Guttmacher and these other organizations have come out and said that abortions in Texas have not decreased.

00:04:42.640 And I believe them because we hear it on our hotline.

00:04:46.240 We hear it in our phone calls.

00:04:47.880 Women are still getting abortions. 0.51

00:04:50.260 And I can go online to over 70 websites in the state of Texas and type in my own information or a fake name, fake date of birth, fake last menstrual period.

00:05:02.360 I can type in any information I want and tell them I don't have any money and get abortion pills sent to any address I want to for free.

00:05:11.660 That's that's the reality of abortion in our country.

00:05:14.440 So what I would say to people is that we were grossly unprepared for the overturn of Roe because the pro-abortion movement is always ready.

00:05:27.720 And I can say that just from working there for eight years.

00:05:31.840 They're always ready.

00:05:32.700 They were ready for Roe to be overturned.

00:05:36.140 They had this they had their playbook written out.

00:05:40.780 They knew that this was going to be a state's battle.

00:05:43.340 They already had, you know, prop one ready.

00:05:46.840 They already they had these things in motion.

00:05:49.620 They already had them ready.

00:05:51.260 And we thought that we were going to have this big victory and that abortions were going to go away.

00:05:58.060 And that's just not going to happen.

00:06:01.960 So what do you see happening?

00:06:05.220 Because that that message sounds like, oh, that's so horrible.

00:06:09.880 Where are we at?

00:06:10.940 What's going to happen?

00:06:11.420 What's the real crux of it then?

00:06:12.520 So the real crux is tackling the consumer, consumerism of abortion.

00:06:17.960 So we have a consumer problem.

00:06:20.840 And we've been saying in the pro-life movement that we have a supplier problem.

00:06:27.860 But we really don't have a supplier problem anymore because the overwhelming majority of women, about 65 percent of people performing abortions are the women themselves. 1.00

00:06:38.560 So, you know, it used to be that the majority of abortions were happening inside of abortion clinics.

00:06:46.400 And so, you know, the pro-life movement said, well, we've got to go after the doctor.

00:06:50.140 We have to go after the supplier, the person that is actually supplying the, you know, the abortion, the person that's actually, you know, killing the baby, the person that's doing the damage, the person that is, you know, killing the baby, the one holding the instruments, the one giving out the pills.

00:07:08.100 Right. Like that, that's who we're going to have to go after.

00:07:12.740 That's the one we're going to have to prosecute.

00:07:14.640 Well, what happens when it's the woman killing her own child? 1.00

00:07:18.820 What happens when she's the one checking the boxes and ordering the pills and paying for it?

00:07:24.840 And they're coming directly to her address.

00:07:27.140 And she's never talking to a doctor because she's the one that is solely responsible for the death of her child. 0.99

00:07:34.480 Like she is her own abortionist.

00:07:36.060 And that's happening in about 65 percent of the cases now in our country.

00:07:40.000 So when the woman becomes her own abortionist, so then we have this reckoning in the pro-life movement, you know, that's been, I think, brewing for a long time. 0.65

00:07:50.700 You know, when do we start saying, OK, we call for personhood sometimes in the pro-life movement. 0.96

00:07:59.080 And then sometimes we say, well, we have a big carve out for women where we say, well, women should be allowed to kill their babies. 1.00

00:08:07.460 Women should be allowed to murder their babies. 1.00

00:08:09.840 You know, without penalty, they should be able to murder their babies because it's their babies and their moms. 1.00

00:08:16.780 And that's perfectly OK. But nobody else can murder the baby.

00:08:20.840 So if I'm a drunk driver and I hit a woman who's pregnant, then somehow at that moment, that child does have personhood because I'm the one that killed the baby. 0.81

00:08:32.320 And so I'm going to be charged with double homicide.

00:08:34.100 But if that woman was on her way to an abortion clinic and then decided I'm going to kill my baby that day, that baby has no personhood and she can kill her baby and it's totally fine. 0.99

00:08:46.780 And it's not considered murder. And that's insane. And that is incredibly inconsistent.

00:08:52.300 And so that's kind of that's going to have to come to a head in the pro-life movement.

00:08:57.340 And that kind of comes to the idea of victimhood.

00:09:02.200 You know, are women victims? The woman that uses abortion as birth control, is she a victim or is she making a conscious decision to have an abortion? 0.61

00:09:11.800 And I do think that this is where we kind of get into a generational divide because there are a lot of women that had abortions in the 70s and 80s and, you know, even the 90s.

00:09:22.100 They really didn't know what they were doing. We didn't have the Internet. We didn't have, you know, social media.

00:09:26.660 We didn't have ultrasound images available to us. Women really didn't know what they were doing. 1.00

00:09:32.260 And they really were. I think most of them at that time really were victims.

00:09:36.760 They were, you know, victims to, you know, just doctors. Doctors weren't telling them, like, we're actually performing an abortion.

00:09:44.400 They call it a menstrual extraction. They said all these things. Women didn't have ultrasounds available. 1.00

00:09:48.720 Like, you know, it was just kind of this ignorance. It's not that way anymore.

00:09:55.500 Women, every woman that has an abortion knows she's pregnant with a baby. They all call their babies babies. 1.00

00:10:01.980 The majority of women that have abortions have already had an ultrasound of their child that they abort.

00:10:08.060 They are celebrating the fact that they're aborting their babies. They're having abortion parties after they abort their babies. 0.65

00:10:14.980 They're taking videos of their abortion and posting it on TikTok.

00:10:21.180 These are not victims of abortion. We go out to abortion clinics and, you know, we say to them, like, please don't do this to your baby.

00:10:29.720 And they're flipping us off and saying, I can't wait to murder this kid.

00:10:33.040 These are not victims of abortion. And we are saying two different things in the pro-life movement.

00:10:39.840 We're saying, you know, women are so strong and they can do whatever they want and they can overcome any challenge that comes in front of them. 1.00

00:10:46.180 But they're also really stupid idiots that can't figure out whether they're pregnant with a baby or not. 1.00

00:10:51.500 And they're all victims. So it's kind of one or the other. 1.00

00:10:55.780 Either they're strong and they're independent and they can figure things out on their own and they can overcome challenges. 1.00

00:11:00.240 Or they're dumb idiots. They can't figure out how to open their their phone and figure out if they're pregnant with a baby or not. 1.00

00:11:08.440 But it's it's not it's not both. It's kind of one or the other.

00:11:12.020 And I believe women are strong and incredible. And I was not a victim. I've had two abortions. I was not a victim.

00:11:18.080 I was just selfish. And the majority of women having abortions today are selfish or doing it for personal gain, for personal reasons. 1.00

00:11:26.080 I think all Christians, all Catholics believe that in the end, this will be righted somehow.

00:11:32.720 How is that going to happen?

00:11:33.780 So I think we're going to have to push bills for equal protection where abortion is considered murder, where murder is penalized appropriately.

00:11:45.320 And all people are considered to be created equal and are protected under equal rights.

00:11:55.400 And, you know, it is the pro-life movement that stops these bills from coming to fruition.

00:12:02.720 So, you know, it was pro-life groups in Louisiana that stalled at last legislative session.

00:12:07.660 It will be pro-life groups in Texas that stop it this session.

00:12:12.400 It will be pro-life groups in North Dakota that stall the equal protection bill there in North Dakota.

00:12:18.680 It will be pro-life groups in Georgia that stall it this year.

00:12:23.000 So that, I mean, it's been, there's been an equal protection bill introduced into over 20 states this year, this legislative session, and it won't, they won't go through.

00:12:35.300 I've testified on several of them.

00:12:37.080 They won't go through.

00:12:37.880 They will be stalled.

00:12:38.660 They won't make it to a calendar committee.

00:12:40.180 They won't make it to the committee floor.

00:12:41.480 They won't make it to the floor for a vote because of pro-life groups.

00:12:46.220 Wow.

00:12:46.980 And it's the same over and over again.

00:12:50.040 It's the same every legislative session because we just, in the movement, are not ready to treat abortion like murder.

00:12:57.240 We say we are.

00:12:58.860 We say abortion is murder.

00:13:00.500 We call it murder.

00:13:01.580 But we don't want to act like it's murder.

00:13:03.200 One of the things you said that really struck me was this is not a political problem.

00:13:09.280 What kind of problem is it then?

00:13:10.920 I mean, it's a spiritual problem.

00:13:12.160 It's a sin issue.

00:13:15.120 It's a lack of accountability issue.

00:13:18.540 You know, we as parents, I mean, you're, you have eight kids, I have eight kids.

00:13:23.300 You know, we teach our children right from wrong.

00:13:26.500 And we teach them that there are consequences related to their actions.

00:13:32.140 And we have taught an entire society of people that that's not the case, that you can kind of do whatever you want.

00:13:39.600 You can have consequence-free sex.

00:13:41.140 You can have consequence-free abortions.

00:13:43.340 You can have consequence-free relationships.

00:13:46.160 You can take drugs and it's consequence-free.

00:13:48.560 You can buy drugs.

00:13:50.180 It's consequence.

00:13:50.820 I mean, everything, right?

00:13:52.200 And we aren't teaching them that you actually have to be accountable for your actions.

00:13:56.840 When I had an abortion in the year 2000, I was 20 years old.

00:14:02.460 If I would have known that there was a possibility that I could have been convicted of a crime for having an abortion, I would have never had that first abortion.

00:14:14.860 And to be quite honest, I'm not really even sure that I would have been participating in such risky sexual behavior.

00:14:20.940 If I would have known there wasn't an easy way out of it, you know, because that changes our behavior.

00:14:28.820 Like, if we know there's not, like, I'm not going to easily get away with this, you know, that changes our behavior.

00:14:35.340 It's the same reason, like, I didn't sneak out of my house to go hang out with my friends when I was in high school.

00:14:41.140 Because I knew my parents were not having any of that, right?

00:14:44.460 But I would sneak out of my other friends' houses whose parents were super, like, you can get away with whatever you want.

00:14:51.460 Okay.

00:14:52.160 It's the same concept, you know?

00:14:54.620 And if I wouldn't have had my first abortion, I wouldn't have gone on to work in the abortion industry.

00:14:59.620 And if I wouldn't have worked in the abortion industry, I wouldn't have the lives of 22,000 babies weighing on my conscience for the rest of my earthly life.

00:15:09.920 And if I wouldn't have worked in the abortion industry, I wouldn't have had my second abortion.

00:15:13.440 I mean, these decisions, the lack of consequence, lack of accountability, it changes the trajectory of our lives.

00:15:20.740 And so that's why it matters.

00:15:24.380 That's why holding people accountable matters.

00:15:27.260 And that's where I kind of see this movement right now.

00:15:31.420 It's not, we don't hold people accountable because of a lack of compassion.

00:15:36.040 We hold people accountable because that's the most compassionate thing we can do.

00:15:40.700 And I mean, that's just my, that's just from my own experience.

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00:16:18.160 I think, though, it's a huge lesson for the church.

00:16:24.060 It is probably the most evident thing the church has done in removing consequences from people.

00:16:34.020 I mean, how often are we actually calling sin, sin, right?

00:16:39.080 I mean, I just did an event in Arizona.

00:16:41.620 You know, it was pretty much all youth, pretty much all young people there.

00:16:46.040 And, you know, I'm standing up there and I'm just, I just was like, you know, there's a lot of things that you guys are not being told are wrong.

00:16:57.400 And so I'm going to stand up here and tell you what they are because somebody has to tell you.

00:17:02.660 And, you know, I'm like, if you're looking at pornography, like men and women, if you're looking at pornography, if you're lusting after someone or something, that's a sin.

00:17:13.380 You need to stop.

00:17:14.520 If you are cohabitating with your partner, that's gravely sinful.

00:17:20.560 You need to stop.

00:17:21.740 If you are participating in, you know, premarital sex, you need to stop. 1.00

00:17:27.760 That's sinful. 0.99

00:17:28.240 If you are, you know, entertaining homosexual action, that's sinful. 0.88

00:17:35.300 You need to stop. 0.81

00:17:36.440 If you are contracepting, that's sinful.

00:17:42.000 You need to stop it.

00:17:42.980 These are things that we're just, we're not telling people are sins.

00:17:47.260 And sexual sin is, I think, one of the greatest pathways to lead us astray from the Lord.

00:17:55.220 And we're just not talking about it.

00:17:56.920 We're not telling our kids about it.

00:17:58.220 We're not talking about it in the church.

00:17:59.760 Nobody's talking about it, you know, in their homilies.

00:18:02.880 We're just acting like we're all good here, you know.

00:18:06.840 Meanwhile, the majority of people having abortions or sitting in church every Sunday, like we clearly don't have it together.

00:18:14.160 And it's because we're just not talking about the hard things.

00:18:17.880 And we're acting like everybody comes to church because they just want to hear, like, an uplifting message.

00:18:21.980 And, like, that's not why I go to church.

00:18:23.660 Like, if I go to Mass and I leave and the homily hasn't made me feel uncomfortable, I feel like the priest has not done their job.

00:18:30.940 You know, like, I don't want to go to Mass and just, like, feel good.

00:18:33.860 Like, I want to go to Mass and be challenged.

00:18:36.580 You know, this is my leader.

00:18:38.220 Like, this is my spiritual leader.

00:18:40.440 Challenge me, you know.

00:18:42.640 Like, step on my toes.

00:18:43.720 Make me feel uncomfortable.

00:18:44.700 Make me want to do better, like, be better for the Lord.

00:18:48.940 But that's not what we're doing.

00:18:51.660 It's amazing because what you said at first about the taking away of consequences and this latter stuff, so many of our most famous, most well-known, even prolific and well-spoken church leaders have said openly they believe there's no one in hell.

00:19:12.080 Bishop Barron, Pope Francis, the list could go on and on, but really big names.

00:19:19.580 They're not, especially with Bishop Barron, you're not talking about someone who, you know, he does give some powerful homilies.

00:19:27.160 But they're on record saying this, never having retracted it.

00:19:30.880 And that completely removes the consequences.

00:19:33.600 Because if there is no hell or there's nobody in hell, does it really matter?

00:19:40.220 You know, I don't know what everybody else says, but I know that scripture says there is a heaven and hell.

00:19:45.160 And I don't believe that it would have been created if no one was in it.

00:19:48.640 Jesus said, narrow is the road that leads to life.

00:19:51.800 Few there are that find it.

00:19:53.340 Broad is the road that leads to destruction.

00:19:55.780 Many there are that go therein.

00:19:58.280 And I was just talking to Monsignor Charles Pope, you know, from Washington.

00:20:03.180 He just wrote a book.

00:20:04.600 It's called The Hell There Is.

00:20:06.960 I was stunned by this.

00:20:08.120 He said, you know, if you read all the Gospels, there's 31 sermons of Jesus in all the Gospels, 31.

00:20:16.020 In 21 of them, he discussed hell.

00:20:19.720 I was like, what?

00:20:21.620 If you go and check it out, there it is.

00:20:24.560 Jesus was the most hell preaching guy in the whole of the Bible.

00:20:28.680 And so it's totally stunning.

00:20:30.540 So this new belief of an empty hell or there is no hell or whatever is so anti-Jesus, anti-Christ, you might say, because it does to me anyway.

00:20:44.400 It totally gets to your first point about the lack of consequence and to your second point about the need to challenge us.

00:20:51.760 Because if there is no eternal consequence, none of it really, you know, it might be nicer to do it this way, but in the end, it doesn't really matter.

00:21:01.500 I think there's a lot of people, like I remember, I mean, I'll just tell you, like, John, I remember being in, working at Planned Parenthood.

00:21:12.000 You know, I grew up in church, so, like, I knew there was, like, a heaven and a hell, you know.

00:21:16.720 I don't know that we talk about hell enough.

00:21:18.720 I don't know that we talk about the finality of hell and the, I think we talk a lot about, like, buddy Jesus, you know, and, like, oh, no, God's so merciful, and he is, but he's also just.

00:21:39.560 And, I mean, God is a God of justice.

00:21:45.380 And we see that over and over in scripture.

00:21:48.140 So, I remember when I worked at the clinic, I remember, you know, I was going to church every Sunday that I worked at Planned Parenthood, and they used that, you know, they wanted me to tell Christian women who came in, like, oh, don't worry about it.

00:22:03.100 Like, I'm the director here, but I work at, you know, I go to church, and I'm the director here, so clearly it's fine for you to have an abortion, right? 0.99

00:22:11.100 They wanted me to use my Christianity, but I went to a very pro-abortion church.

00:22:15.060 I went to an Episcopal church, so it's, like, all the bells but no morals, you know.

00:22:18.880 And I remember one time, like, seeing the people outside praying, and I, you know, I was looking at them kind of all day.

00:22:26.800 They were, I could see them out in front of my window.

00:22:29.400 And I remember looking at them and thinking and wondering to myself, if I died today, do I think I would go to hell?

00:22:37.520 Like, I remember thinking that to myself and thinking, yeah, I think I would go to hell if I died today.

00:22:48.780 And then something in my mind was, like, well, that's okay.

00:22:57.340 Like, it'll be worth it.

00:22:59.100 Like, it'll be worth it to go to hell because I'm doing something, like, so good here.

00:23:05.760 And that shouldn't be.

00:23:08.220 Like, we should be taught the fear of hell.

00:23:13.240 Like, we should be taught fear of hell.

00:23:15.400 We should be taught fear of being separated from God for eternity.

00:23:20.700 That should be so scary for us that even the thought of being in hell would be enough to get us, like, to light our butts up and, like, get us out of whatever we're doing.

00:23:31.680 That would even, like, put us questioning that decision, you know, that we're making.

00:23:37.760 But I don't think we talk about it enough because we just talk about this, like, fun-loving Jesus, you know, that, like, wants to play basketball with you or whatever.

00:23:46.860 And it's like, that's not, that's really not it.

00:23:50.240 Like, he wants everyone to live in eternity with him.

00:23:53.600 But not everybody makes that decision.

00:23:56.620 Yeah, the old act of contrition.

00:23:59.320 Oh, my God, I'm heartily sorry for having offended thee because I fear the loss of heaven and the pains of hell.

00:24:06.400 It's no longer that.

00:24:08.380 But that honestly used to be what you would say every single night.

00:24:13.640 That's the traditional Catholic prayer.

00:24:15.680 It's gone from our normal nightly prayer now.

00:24:21.420 But that was it.

00:24:22.480 And it was very constant.

00:24:25.400 So it was a thing.

00:24:27.080 It does amaze me that Jesus spent so much time talking about it.

00:24:31.540 Gospel reading from about a month ago now was that reading Jesus talks about hell again in one of his homilies.

00:24:38.420 And the apostles, it's the one about the camel through the eye of the needle. 0.55

00:24:43.040 And the apostles at the end of it go, sheesh, can anybody be saved?

00:24:49.360 So it's like, this guy, our Lord, was so adamant about this.

00:24:56.580 He spent the majority of his major sermons talking about it.

00:25:00.080 And he freaked out his apostles so much that they were like, so can anybody be saved?

00:25:04.200 And his response was, with man, it's impossible.

00:25:07.540 But with God, all things are possible.

00:25:09.360 So I really do think you're onto something with regard to this.

00:25:13.140 It's a need.

00:25:17.640 We have to turn this around.

00:25:19.280 And it has to be turned around, I think anyway, at the level of the church, of the faith, because that's where everything will come from. 0.82

00:25:26.620 Yeah, I agree.

00:25:27.140 I think, you know, I remember several years ago, it was kind of like after I first came into the pro-life movement.

00:25:31.620 I mean, I remember there was this big push to kind of secularize the pro-life movement.

00:25:36.640 And, you know, I was kind of like, all right, I guess that makes sense.

00:25:39.760 You know, like draw more people in.

00:25:42.480 But then I just realized how foolish that was, because we actually don't need like a big tent in the pro-life movement.

00:25:49.920 Like we don't need broadness in our movement, because the path to eternal life is not broad. 0.85

00:25:58.280 It's narrow.

00:26:00.320 And so I'm not like trying to draw people into the pro-life movement just to have sheer numbers.

00:26:07.480 Right?

00:26:08.160 Like I'm trying to draw the right people into our movement to actually end this thing.

00:26:13.240 Like I'm trying to draw the right people in so that we can minister to people, so that we can save not just physical lives, but like eternal lives.

00:26:24.900 So it's not just about having bodies in here.

00:26:29.880 That's not what this movement is about.

00:26:32.060 But for a while, it felt like that's just what we were trying to do.

00:26:35.040 It was like with the Republican Party, like this big tent sort of party.

00:26:39.020 And look where that's gotten us.

00:26:40.680 Right?

00:26:41.080 Now we're the party that believes in gay marriage.

00:26:43.440 And you got, you know, transgender people walking around, you know, CPAC.

00:26:49.560 And it's like, what are we doing?

00:26:51.500 Log cabin Republicans opening up for the Republican National Convention. 0.98

00:26:56.100 And it's like gay everywhere. 1.00

00:26:58.260 And we've kind of lost our morals. 0.96

00:27:00.440 And GOP tipped the pro-life plank out of its platform.

00:27:04.180 It's like we don't even recognize ourselves anymore.

00:27:06.860 Like we're dang near Democrats.

00:27:08.200 And that is exactly what's going to happen to the pro-life movement if we don't really suck it in and say this is a movement based on the principles of Christ.

00:27:20.940 This is not like the MAGA movement.

00:27:27.220 This is not where we just like accept everyone and take everyone and we allow people to be, you know, pro-life and this and pro-life and trans and pro-life.

00:27:38.000 No.

00:27:38.480 We're here to draw people to the Lord, not coddle them in their sinfulness.

00:27:45.660 That's not who we are.

00:27:48.440 We are always, yeah, we want you to come.

00:27:50.780 We want you to leave changed.

00:27:52.280 We want you to be drawn into this movement because the fragrance of Christ draws you here.

00:27:59.280 Not because openness to sinfulness draws you here.

00:28:03.240 And that's something that I feel like we've kind of lost a little bit.

00:28:06.820 We need to bring that back.

00:28:08.460 The Catholic Church has always been at the head of the pro-life movement.

00:28:12.880 But not because we were just loosey-goosey and like accepted everything.

00:28:17.860 It was because we were staunchly defending the personhood of the pre-born.

00:28:24.760 And that's where we need to stay.

00:28:27.280 We need to stay there doing what we do best, protecting the most vulnerable among us.

00:28:33.460 People, I think, are naturally drawn in.

00:28:37.720 I mean, like, look at former abortion workers who have left the industry and have, like, gone public with their story.

00:28:45.620 Almost all of them are Catholic, right?

00:28:48.840 Because it's the truth.

00:28:51.340 It's that narrow truth that draws you in.

00:28:56.220 It's not like the come-as-you-are thing. 0.98

00:28:59.460 It's not that crap that draws you in. 0.97

00:29:02.720 It's the traditional truth of Christ. 0.99

00:29:05.660 Christ, that's what draws sinners in.

00:29:08.560 Abby, I want to thank you for saying the hard things.

00:29:12.300 Because they are hard things.

00:29:13.840 They're hard things for people to hear.

00:29:16.060 They're very hard to say, because I'm sure you get flack a lot.

00:29:19.760 But God bless you.

00:29:21.920 Thank you.

00:29:22.500 Thank you for being here.

00:29:23.320 Thank you for doing this in the middle of the night.

00:29:25.700 And all my bless to your family.

00:29:28.240 Your family that puts up with you running away so often.

00:29:32.260 But we're surely grateful.

00:29:34.100 God bless you.

00:29:34.560 Thank you so much.

00:29:36.320 And God bless all of you.

00:29:38.200 And we'll see you next time.

00:29:43.560 Hi, everyone.

00:29:44.260 This is John Henry Weston for LifeSite News.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - March 14, 2025

Abby Johnson Calls Out Cowards ｜ Stop Compromising!

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