The John-Henry Westen Show - Abby Johnson explains why she attends Latin Mass and receives Communion on the tongue

00:00:00.320 It gives me great pleasure on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show to welcome Abby Johnson.

00:00:06.040 I know she's known to all of you.

00:00:08.220 Great hero in the pro-life movement and someone whose book we read, Unplanned, whose movie we watched and everything else.

00:00:15.860 You're going to want to stay tuned.

00:00:30.000 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:00:38.740 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

00:00:42.700 Abby Johnson, it gives me great pleasure to welcome you to the John Henry Weston Show.

00:00:47.800 Thanks so much for having me on.

00:00:50.180 We're going to talk about something probably that you haven't talked much on camera about before.

00:00:54.960 However, you were gracious enough to be part of our conference on the reception of our Lord on kneeling and on the tongue.

00:01:05.200 And many people have asked questions about that.

00:01:07.960 Why would pro-life leaders go down that road?

00:01:10.400 So we're going to speak about that.

00:01:11.840 You also have recently gone to a Latin Mass and had some really neat experiences there.

00:01:17.580 So let's start off, if you would, just telling us a little bit about how you came to the Catholic Church in the first place.

00:01:24.280 A story that perhaps some don't even know about.

00:01:29.040 Yeah, so, you know, I was raised Southern Baptist.

00:01:34.960 And, you know, I have to say, though, I think I always had, there was sort of a draw to Catholicism.

00:01:44.080 I just thought, always, I think, an interest there.

00:01:46.380 My mom says, I don't remember this, but my mom says that when I was a little girl, I would, she would catch me watching EWTN.

00:01:57.960 And I would watch Mother Angelica.

00:02:02.100 And she said that I would put a towel around my head and clothespin it.

00:02:06.280 And I would sit on the floor and watch Mother Angelica on EWTN.

00:02:10.640 And so I just sort of always had like a fascination with the Catholic Church.

00:02:16.380 I think I always felt a really strong pull to our Blessed Mother.

00:02:25.120 I couldn't really ever explain it.

00:02:30.140 But just growing up, I just had a lot of questions about her.

00:02:35.120 You know, we studied all these different women, you know, in the Bible and strong women, you know, Deborah, Ruth, Esther, Sarah.

00:02:44.180 And there was always an absence of Mary.

00:02:47.460 We only talked about her one time a year.

00:02:50.220 And, you know, that was during the Christmas season.

00:02:53.460 And I remember asking my pastor one time, you know, gosh, we talk about all of these, we study these women in the Bible.

00:03:01.660 And, you know, here we have undoubtedly, you know, the most important woman ever to walk the face of the earth, Mary.

00:03:11.080 And in our churches, we do not talk about her.

00:03:14.380 And I sort of got the, you know, the, you know.

00:03:19.060 And that puzzled me.

00:03:20.500 I didn't understand why.

00:03:22.000 And I just kept feeling this sense that there was something more that I needed to know.

00:03:27.960 And I just never got that answer.

00:03:31.420 I had a lot of questions growing up about my faith.

00:03:34.140 And I never got answers that were satisfactory.

00:03:38.440 And so, you know, then I sort of moved on with life.

00:03:44.800 And when I worked at Planned Parenthood, we started going to the Episcopal Church.

00:03:51.200 And one of the things I loved about the Episcopal faith is the liturgy.

00:03:57.740 And they're a liturgical church.

00:03:59.460 And that was something that was different to me.

00:04:01.200 But there also was a slight emphasis on Marian tradition also in the Episcopal Church.

00:04:09.560 And so I was sort of drawn to that as well.

00:04:12.140 So I could sort of have, you know, Marian light, right?

00:04:17.380 It's like Catholic light. 0.62

00:04:18.860 But I could be pro-choice.

00:04:20.520 So I thought, oh, this is perfect.

00:04:22.140 That was, you know, that fit the things that I wanted at that time.

00:04:25.360 When I left Planned Parenthood and became publicly pro-life, I was, we were actually,

00:04:32.920 we called in and we were, you know, sat down by our Episcopal priests.

00:04:39.200 And we were told that we were no longer welcome in the Episcopal Church of America.

00:04:44.320 And we were told that we had to leave.

00:04:46.880 And that was fine.

00:04:48.000 And we knew we were going to have to leave anyway.

00:04:49.500 We didn't want to be a part of a pro-choice congregation and the National Episcopalian

00:04:55.580 Church.

00:04:56.060 I mean, their national doctrine is pro-abortion.

00:04:59.380 So we knew we wanted to leave.

00:05:00.820 We sort of wanted to fire them.

00:05:02.440 You know, they fired us.

00:05:04.520 And so we ended up leaving.

00:05:06.720 And all of our new friends happened to be Catholic.

00:05:10.420 And so they were, you know, bugging us every Sunday, you know, come to mass, come to mass,

00:05:15.280 come to mass.

00:05:15.760 And so we finally said, okay, fine, we'll go, you know.

00:05:18.360 So we went and win the mass and we sat there and we didn't really know what it was.

00:05:23.520 We know now, but at the time we were sitting there in mass and we just, we walked out really

00:05:29.820 just sort of in silence.

00:05:31.380 We sat in the car and Doug and I just looked at each other and we said, I don't know what

00:05:38.060 that was, but something felt right about that.

00:05:42.280 We just felt this peace and we wanted to know more.

00:05:47.360 And of course, as soon as we told our friends that, we found ourselves in an RCIA class.

00:05:53.000 And I found out that all of these questions that I had had over, you know, that had plagued

00:05:59.720 me during my childhood and growing up and really trying to learn about my faith, all of these

00:06:03.980 questions that I had grown up with, they were being answered one after one.

00:06:08.540 And, um, and I just knew that there was truth there, that that was the truth that I had been

00:06:16.260 seeking for all of these years.

00:06:17.940 And so Doug and I entered the church together, um, Easter Vigil of 2012.

00:06:24.000 And, um, and honestly, you know, it, it has been a great journey.

00:06:29.300 Um, it, it, it's been, uh, has it been perfect, you know?

00:06:36.880 Um, and I would say, you know, as of the past couple years, um, it's been tough.

00:06:45.360 It's, it's, it's been a, um, a difficult, um, road for, for Doug and I, I have, um, there

00:06:55.420 have been times that I have been troubled by things I'm seeing in church, um, you know,

00:07:03.660 trouble enough to make me say, what are we, what are we doing?

00:07:07.800 Um, you know, I, there are times that I've said, you know, Lord, if, you know, if it wasn't

00:07:15.640 for the Eucharist, would I still be here?

00:07:18.940 What were those, what were those things?

00:07:20.920 If you could, um, you know, describe some of them to give us a sense of what, what it

00:07:25.220 is your meaning?

00:07:28.380 There's been a lot of frustrations, I think, with sort of the liberalism inside of the

00:07:32.100 church, um, different appointments by the Pope, um, even things that the Pope has said

00:07:40.000 that I haven't understood, um, you know, things that have been accepted by priests, um, of course,

00:07:52.780 you know, so much of these scandals, um, inside of the church, you know, um, but it's just

00:08:01.120 been, I think sort of the, the, I think there's the lack of reverence toward the Eucharist, um,

00:08:08.780 I think the, the pro-LGBT agenda that has sort of seeped into the church, um.

00:08:18.100 And obviously not in the, in the, um, the church itself, but especially among her members

00:08:24.020 and her leadership sometimes.

00:08:25.380 No, and yeah, I think the leadership really has been very frustrating to me.

00:08:29.560 And then sort of this, uh, this, I don't know, like almost acceptance, um, within the leadership

00:08:39.540 and a failure to denounce it and, and to say, no, this is not right.

00:08:47.100 And I think part of it is sort of this, I've said sort of this come as you are mentality.

00:08:55.580 Um, it's really a, uh, sort of a Protestant way of thinking that has seeped into, um, the

00:09:06.660 mass and which brings about sort of a lack of reverence for the Eucharist.

00:09:13.060 Yeah. Um, one of the, one of the things I really, uh, love about you and, and your faith is I

00:09:19.620 remember, um, you know, as you were converting and, uh, you came into the church, um, I was at

00:09:25.820 one of these conferences. It was a, it was a March for Life conference and you were having another

00:09:30.780 child, yet another child, and you basically described it as, yeah, we're Catholic. And it was

00:09:35.920 just hilarious. You, you, when you are convinced of something, you come to it with such a passion

00:09:40.300 and with a full giving, every, everything's sort of like black and white, and you're going to just

00:09:44.340 do the right thing. And that was so inspiring for me. And it was awesome to hear you. Um, and I think

00:09:51.300 that, you know, you can see that now, at least I see that now in your explanation. I mean, you're

00:09:56.520 wholly given to the truth of the church. And when you see that violated by her ministers, even by

00:10:03.080 bishops and, and God forbid, the Pope, um, that doesn't sit with your soul, right? And you're willing

00:10:09.360 to say, nope, that's not right. And it does, it leads us to a lot of confusion, especially

00:10:13.760 in the church today where we're, you know, what, what's, what in the world is going on?

00:10:19.020 So you were saying that, you know, if it weren't for the Eucharist, where would I be? Lord,

00:10:22.620 what's going on? Um, you recently tweeted about having attended a Latin mass. What brought

00:10:29.340 you there and what was your reaction to it?

00:10:34.700 So I've recently been, there's this little section in St. Faustina's diary and I'm going

00:10:48.300 to mess it up, but it just says, you know, like, Oh my Lord, you know, if it wasn't for

00:10:52.720 the Eucharist, I don't know how I could keep going, you know, but essentially it says something

00:10:57.240 like that, you know? And I was just like, Oh Jesus. Yes. I mean, that's, that's how it feels.

00:11:03.320 Like, how can I continue on this journey? You know, if it wasn't for the Eucharist and there

00:11:07.620 were times I remember, I mean, I remember there was a time when I, I, um, I said to my husband,

00:11:17.380 I said, I don't know if I want to be Catholic anymore. I was so frustrated with, with the things

00:11:23.020 that I was seeing in the church. And I remember saying to my husband, I don't know, I don't know

00:11:27.800 if I want to be Catholic anymore. And I remember him saying to me, um, but where, where would

00:11:34.340 we go? And that really led me to a time of prayer and, um, and even going, even really

00:11:45.800 sitting, uh, in adoration, which to be perfectly honest is tough for me because my mind is always

00:11:51.680 going. So I actually just sitting and like going to adoration, that's really a struggle

00:11:55.960 for me. Um, but I actually went to adoration and just sitting and, and just being still.

00:12:02.680 And, and over the past few months, I really felt like God was telling me he was leading

00:12:10.420 me somewhere different, but it wasn't outside of the church, but I didn't know what he meant.

00:12:17.980 I didn't know what that was. And to be quite frank with you, I always thought that people

00:12:26.380 who went to Latin mass were crazy. Um, I was like, Oh no, like traditional Catholics. No, 1.00

00:12:34.760 like, um, they are like weirdo Catholics and not, not going to do that. Um, but I kept, 1.00

00:12:44.800 it just kept coming to mind, honestly, like God kept just bringing it to mind and he kept

00:12:53.800 bringing people to mind, um, and, and putting people in front of me, like things to read

00:13:01.920 and, and, and different posts and such. And I was like, okay, God, I get it. You know?

00:13:08.740 And so, um, so one Sunday or one Saturday evening, um, I looked at Doug and I said,

00:13:18.680 you're going to think this is crazy, but I actually want to go to lab mass tomorrow.

00:13:26.300 And, uh, and he looked at me and he said, I do think that's crazy, but let's go.

00:13:38.020 And, uh, and he said, I'm all for it. So, um, because we had both just been feeling

00:13:45.540 frustrated, you know, and had really been talking about it, but just not knowing where God was

00:13:51.700 really calling us, you know? And, uh, so we went, uh, to lab mass for the first time and it was

00:13:59.320 actually, um, we just had, uh, ordination, uh, that Saturday before. So it was, uh, first mass

00:14:11.440 for one of our newly ordained priests. And, um, we went and, oh my gosh, it was,

00:14:19.380 I mean, I didn't know what the heck was going on, but it was so beautiful.

00:14:28.320 And I remember just sitting there and just really taking it all in. And I posted on Twitter,

00:14:36.320 you know, that I was going to do this. And, um, I actually talked to Taylor Marshall a little bit

00:14:42.720 before we went and he said, just, and everybody's advice was just, just don't try to follow along,

00:14:50.940 just sit there and just take it in. And that's what I did. And that's what we all did. And

00:14:59.140 it was just, it was such a beautiful experience. And first of all, the music was

00:15:06.960 like out of this world. Um, that in itself was just such a prayer. Um,

00:15:14.400 but I was struck by several things right off one. I was struck by, um, just how masculine

00:15:26.180 the service felt. And I didn't know if really that would make sense when I sort of put it out there,

00:15:35.440 but people were like, no, that totally makes sense. I mean, just, um, everything was led by

00:15:42.900 priests. Yeah. It wasn't a laity led service. Um, it was, you know, the chanting every, I, I became

00:15:54.740 emotional, um, um, during the chanting because it was just such a beautiful, just masculine, uh,

00:16:04.820 sound. And it was just, and I just thought, you know, it was just fatherly, um, sounding and just

00:16:13.840 was so reverent and, and beautiful. And, um, and I, I love that. I, it just makes you feel,

00:16:23.780 um, I don't know, cared for. I don't, I don't know. I don't know a better way to put it. It just,

00:16:31.980 I don't know. Um, and, uh, the other thing that I noticed right off the bat. Okay. So during the

00:16:40.600 consecration in the Novus Ordo mass, you know, we're very a part of it, right? So we're like

00:16:46.840 saying prayers with the priests and we're hearing everything they're doing. And at first when I sat

00:16:52.540 there, I was like, gosh, well, I'm just sitting here. I'm not doing anything. And at first I was

00:16:55.820 like a little offended, you know, like, well, why am I not a part of this? And then I thought,

00:17:01.640 well, why do I need to be a part? I don't have anything to do with it. Right. That's between,

00:17:05.480 that's between priests and God. Like I don't, God doesn't need me to say these prayers. Right.

00:17:11.580 And it, and it just became so apparent, like, that's right. God doesn't need me to be a part

00:17:20.680 of the consecration. God needs me to be here praying, to be prayerful, you know, to be bringing

00:17:30.620 intentions to him, like during the mass, to be praying for the priest. And it just, and all of a

00:17:38.020 sudden it felt, at first I was offended. And then all of a sudden I felt so free.

00:17:45.420 Yeah. And I thought, no, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm not supposed to be actively

00:17:51.480 involved in the consecration. Right. Like I'm not the priest. Yeah. Like I'm supposed to be here,

00:17:58.420 just prayerful. That's what the laity are supposed to be doing in this moment.

00:18:03.900 Yeah. My, my, my own, yeah, no, it's just our priest at, at LifeSite, uh, father, uh, Anthony

00:18:12.080 Polari. He's a, he's a great priest and he celebrates the, the traditional mass and he opens

00:18:18.520 it particularly to people who've never experienced it before. And he says, don't, you know, don't

00:18:24.080 worry about as, as you were told to, you know, you don't have to follow along and whatever,

00:18:28.240 right, right away. But he said, basically, what would you do if you were at your crucifixion?

00:18:34.300 Cause that's where you are. Each mass is your being present at the crucifixion. And what

00:18:39.800 would you do if you're present at the crucifixion? And I think for a lot of people that, that helps

00:18:44.400 to, uh, tell us what we're supposed to be doing, doing, if you will, at mass, we're there

00:18:51.540 watching the priest in persona Christi offer himself, offer Christ to the eternal father,

00:18:57.700 that the same sacrifice of Calvary at mass is a beautiful thing. And it's exactly like that.

00:19:02.700 You're not in the way of active participation, as you said, that's not part of it, but you

00:19:08.560 are there. You're there as a witness of the crucifixion. You're able to be where the apostles

00:19:13.700 ran away from. You're able to be at the foot of the cross. So, um, yeah, beautiful.

00:19:19.800 Anyway, like I, I mean, I, you know, we've only been a few times and, and, but I have to say

00:19:26.740 like, I, for the first time in, in a while, like I'm actually, I feel very reinvigorated

00:19:37.780 about my faith. Like I'm excited to go to mass. I haven't felt that way in a long time. Um,

00:19:48.780 it doesn't feel like a chore anymore. And surprisingly, as long as Latin mass is, 0.99

00:19:56.220 um, my children are actually really well behaved. I think it's exciting for them. Like it's different,

00:20:04.660 you know? Um, and I don't know, for some reason they're like, they're looking around,

00:20:11.440 you know, what's going on. And, uh, so it's interesting, you know, and they're more engaged,

00:20:18.840 I think, uh, there's something different. Yeah. There's a whole set of like P's and Q's 1.00

00:20:24.200 that, that are in the atmosphere at a Latin mass that just aren't there. It's not a communal thing.

00:20:30.460 The priest is facing away. It's, it's a very different atmosphere for kids too.

00:20:34.920 It is different. The atmosphere is just different. I'm not like sitting there like sweating. Like

00:20:39.640 if my kid like makes a noise, you know, like, and everybody's looking around, like,

00:20:44.200 I know that was the Johnsons, you know, because the average number of kids is like

00:20:48.800 27 and 11, like, you know, there's kids everywhere and it's just a beautiful, it really does feel like

00:20:56.340 a community. And, um, it is just a very different experience. And, um, I know it's not like the

00:21:07.420 silver bullet answer to all the church's problems, right? I know that, but, um, there is something

00:21:14.460 different there and man, the homilies that we have heard have just been on fire. I mean,

00:21:22.600 you know, every time that we've gone and I'm just, I'm so excited to go to mass every Sunday.

00:21:29.880 I mean, like, I'm just looking forward to it every Sunday and that feels so good, you know,

00:21:36.500 once again, and just to not feel the frustration that I had been feeling, um, for the past, you

00:21:44.900 know, couple of years and, um, and to just to, just to feel that renewal of my faith. And, and

00:21:52.700 we're very, I mean, we don't know what's going on, you know, we don't know what is happening, but

00:21:57.380 we're learning and we're excited to learn. Um, you know, it's really beautiful. And it's beautiful

00:22:05.700 to be a student again, you know? Yeah. Yeah. There's also a unanimity. I mean, uh, uh, in,

00:22:14.280 in the Latin mass community, you don't find the same sort of disparity that you find elsewhere in

00:22:19.600 the church. Um, there, there's, uh, basically no one there who's going to be like, yeah, you're

00:22:25.980 just kind of radical on the abortion issue. I'm kind of like, you know, I know I'm personally

00:22:29.960 against abortion, but you know, uh, you for the most part actually don't find that. And

00:22:35.100 also, and this is what I'd like you to speak on next, the issue of the reception of Holy

00:22:40.760 Communion on kneeling and on the tongue in the Novus Ordo in, in, in, uh, regular mass,

00:22:45.660 that can be all over the place. You can have priests who refuse. Um, you can have people sort

00:22:49.780 of looking at you, particularly now in time of coronavirus, you know, it's, it's done either

00:22:54.520 outside the mass, if at all, if it's allowed at all. And, uh, if it's done, you know, it's,

00:23:00.120 you're always a second class citizen, citizen sort of, sort of speak. Um, even though it's

00:23:04.240 not intentional and nobody, you know, but in, in Latin mass, everybody receives, um, Holy

00:23:10.260 Communion kneeling on the tongue and kneeling if they can, obviously, if they're prevented

00:23:13.260 from physically, that's, that's fine. But, uh, you know, there's that beautiful, uh, oneness

00:23:19.260 in, in, in so many respects that, that really is, uh, a thing of the Latin mass. It's kind

00:23:23.680 of different. So you did this, uh, short statement for the conference on communion on the tongue

00:23:32.220 and kneeling, um, about not receiving Holy Communion in the hand. What, um, what sort of

00:23:37.520 inspired you that way? And why do you receive our Lord that way?

00:23:40.760 So that's been something actually, even before, I mean, when we first became Catholic and, you

00:23:48.840 know, um, you know, we were being taught about the Eucharist and we were being taught about

00:23:55.300 the real presence and, and they were saying, you know, in our CIA, they, they would tell

00:24:01.980 us, you know, well, you can receive, you know, directly on the tongue or in the hand. And I

00:24:05.940 remember thinking to myself, why, why would anybody receive the Lord on their hand? Why

00:24:17.660 would anybody do that? I mean, part of, part of, part of the Eucharist could be on your

00:24:23.700 hand. You could wipe it away on your, you know, if you truly believe that is the real presence

00:24:31.600 of the Lord. Why would you ever have that in your hand? Why would you ever take the chance

00:24:39.060 that, that part of the Eucharist could be left behind on your hand to be discarded or,

00:24:45.980 you know, thrown away or wiped away or, um, and so I remember in that moment saying, oh,

00:24:55.480 I will never receive on the hand. I mean, that's that, no, absolutely not. Um, and, but then

00:25:06.060 I just, then I started realizing just the lack of reverence in general, um, among Catholics.

00:25:15.660 Uh, I think that just that realization of the real presence in the Eucharist 0.98

00:25:22.740 I think that that is, I mean, what, there was a poll that came out and so many Catholics don't

00:25:31.700 even, they just believe it's a wafer. They didn't even believe in the real presence anymore.

00:25:36.420 Yeah.

00:25:36.860 And I think it's because of that come as you are attitude. I think it's because so many have

00:25:41.900 received on their hand and that reverence has, has been taken away. Um, it's because we have,

00:25:47.640 we have, you know, lost that we're kneeling when we're receiving the Eucharist. We just, you know,

00:25:54.040 walk up, take them in our hand. Like it's just nothing. Like it's just some cracker, you know, like it's

00:26:01.120 an animal cracker, you know, and just walk away, um, casually. I mean, gosh, if it's, if this is the real

00:26:09.940 presence of our Lord, I mean, of course we should be bowing, kneeling with respect. I mean, gosh,

00:26:18.760 we are so unworthy. That's what we say, right? That we are so unworthy to, to be receiving this.

00:26:26.000 I mean, we have to humble ourselves. We have to humble our hearts to even be receiving, to even

00:26:31.700 be in the same, to be in the presence of our Lord, but he's giving us this gift. And so what,

00:26:38.360 we're just going to take it in our dirty hands and put it in our, I mean, like, no, absolutely not.

00:26:44.220 Like it goes from our priest, you know, holy hands directly into our mouth as a gift. We're not

00:26:50.720 taking it, we're receiving it. And so that was, that was something that, that was made very clear to me

00:26:59.780 when I was in RCIA. Um, but I think it's just that casual nature that has crept into

00:27:07.220 the church community.

00:27:10.500 You know, Abby, we'll, we'll end off with this, but you know, some people who are going to watch

00:27:14.500 this are going to say, what, what is, what is Abby Johnson doing? She's, she's got such credibility. 0.99

00:27:20.020 You know, she's been, uh, here, there and everywhere for life. There's a movie made about

00:27:23.820 her. She's written a book. Her pro-life is her thing. Why, why are you doing this now? This,

00:27:28.240 this is like threatening your credibility. Why, why go down this road?

00:27:31.420 Oh gosh, John Henry. That's it. They say it about me all the time.

00:27:35.560 I, uh, this is, yeah, this is my faith. This is, um, this isn't to disparage anyone, but this is,

00:27:49.540 this is like my lifeblood. This is who I am. This is part of what makes me, me.

00:27:55.860 And this is, I mean, gosh, Jesus is my life and this is important. And, you know, we as Catholics,

00:28:08.560 I mean, we need to be having these discussions, not to offend one another, but to really hear one

00:28:14.360 another in truth and, and to really think about what we're saying, you know, I mean, and I can

00:28:21.660 understand that if, if someone had been, you know, you've just been someone who's been taking the

00:28:27.540 Eucharist in your hand and just, you know, you know, receiving that way. And maybe you're listening

00:28:33.940 to me and going, what does she know? She's a convert. When, you know, what have you been Catholic

00:28:37.280 five minutes? Like, okay, I get it. Like, you know, what do I know? What do I know? Maybe not a lot,

00:28:43.480 but man, I chose this faith. This, I'm on fire for my faith. I chose this as an adult, willingly.

00:28:56.860 You know, I wasn't born into this. And, you know, this is something that I am very passionate about.

00:29:04.540 I am not apathetic about my faith. And I, I don't know, I'm not a theologian about the Catholic

00:29:13.180 faith. But I know that I love this church and I love the Lord and I love the Eucharist. And I know

00:29:20.820 what it's like to long for the Eucharist because I waited, you know, I went to mass and I waited and

00:29:28.180 I watched everyone just casually walk up and take the Eucharist while I longed to receive the Eucharist.

00:29:35.740 And so I know what that feels like. And so I, I don't ever want to take that for granted. And so

00:29:40.960 once I was finally able to receive, I mean, I, that reverence was so profound for me. And so I may not

00:29:51.460 know much about the church and I'm certainly no theologian, but, um, I am very passionate

00:29:57.000 about Jesus Christ and I'm very passionate about the Catholic church and I get it wrong

00:30:02.780 a lot of times. And I admit that. Um, but I, I think that sometimes we, you know, even if we disagree

00:30:13.300 with someone, sometimes we have to listen to them and say, is what they're saying making sense?

00:30:18.420 And that's what I would ask people to say is, you know, is what I'm saying making sense?

00:30:25.920 Amen. Abby Johnson, it is so good to be with you as always here on the John Henry Weston show.

00:30:33.040 May God bless you and thank you.

00:30:35.560 Thank you so much.

00:30:38.320 Hello, this is John Henry Weston. I'd like to invite you to subscribe to the John Henry Weston

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The John-Henry Westen Show - July 21, 2020

Abby Johnson explains why she attends Latin Mass and receives Communion on the tongue

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