The John-Henry Westen Show - December 14, 2023


African bishops united on supporting traditional families


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Archbishop Philip Agalo of the Archdiocese of Nairobi shares his thoughts on the growing tide of anti-gay sentiment within the Catholic Church, and the reaction of the bishops in his diocese to it.

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00:00:00.000 If it is something that goes against the defined law, the natural law, and what God constituted us to be,
00:00:07.440 then it is still the main abomination.
00:00:10.520 No matter how much we try to sugarcoat it, such an ideology, it is not compatible with the will of God.
00:00:17.360 And therefore, as Christians and people of good will, we need, if we want to have a very good society,
00:00:25.500 we need to support families, and anything that goes against family has to be fought with the strongest actions and words possible.
00:00:41.240 Hello, my friends. We are here in Africa, and I wanted to give you a glimpse into the life of the Church in Africa.
00:00:48.480 There is a bishop, a major archbishop of Nairobi in Kenya.
00:00:52.980 It is one of the principal dioceses in all of Eastern Africa,
00:00:58.940 and it gives us a good glimpse into the reaction of the bishops here to what's going on in the Church,
00:01:05.680 especially with this whole LGBT nonsense going on on the inside. 1.00
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00:03:51.180 Watch this clip.
00:03:52.480 This is the Archbishop reacting to coming back from Prague,
00:03:57.460 where he's speaking with cardinals and bishops about these same issues.
00:04:02.100 Have a look for yourself.
00:04:04.600 When I was in Prague, I was almost like dead.
00:04:07.700 I was almost like dead, because I was there with many cardinals and with many bishops,
00:04:13.260 all among ourselves.
00:04:14.520 But what we went to discuss, it made me almost die.
00:04:21.280 And it was, we are discussing about gender issues.
00:04:25.300 We are discussing about gender issues.
00:04:28.160 Gender and sex.
00:04:30.980 And they said, what shall we do with these gender issues? 1.00
00:04:35.500 In countries like America, a big percentage of young people
00:04:40.640 I may have been allowed to make decisions to choose whether to be a wife, 0.94
00:04:44.660 to be a woman, or a man.
00:04:47.960 If you are a man, you want to change to be a woman, it is up to you. 0.99
00:04:51.420 But that's for life.
00:04:54.600 That is for life.
00:04:56.240 Did you hear that?
00:04:59.360 He felt like he was going to die.
00:05:02.820 So I wanted to speak with the Archbishop, Archbishop Philip Agnolo,
00:05:08.480 about his take on what this means.
00:05:12.860 What he means by that?
00:05:13.800 What does he mean about defense of the family?
00:05:15.900 And why is this so shocking for himself, for all the bishops of Africa?
00:05:19.860 Hey, my friends.
00:05:22.720 We are here in Nairobi, Kenya.
00:05:25.200 And we are at the office of the Archdiocese.
00:05:29.780 And we are actually with the Archbishop, Philip Agnolo.
00:05:34.780 And we're here to speak with him a little bit about things related to life and family issues.
00:05:40.300 Thank you for being with us, Excellency.
00:05:41.920 Thank you.
00:05:43.120 Thank you.
00:05:43.540 May I ask you for our many viewers at home in Canada, in the United States, in Europe?
00:05:51.880 The African bishops, the bishops here in Kenya, have spoken strongly to support the family,
00:06:00.080 particularly with regard to the woke movements of the world.
00:06:05.600 What's your view with regard to family and the need to support the traditional family?
00:06:10.720 Yeah, it is important to support the family and to support the church.
00:06:18.680 Because within the church, within the family, we have the first church and the first faith of every human person.
00:06:27.580 And that knowledge of God is first and foremost in the family.
00:06:32.080 Even without talking about it, we are already aware that from our understanding and our deep voice of faith,
00:06:38.240 that God created man and woman in his own image and likeness.
00:06:44.060 So in that manner, in that family, is where God starts also creating that and reprocreating that image of himself in the coming generations.
00:06:56.680 And it can't be otherwise, because that's the way God does it.
00:07:00.080 And for us, in the context of our faith here in Africa, even as we go along with the spirit of synodality in the church,
00:07:10.600 we are very much convinced that that is how the church should grow.
00:07:16.160 It should be rooted and founded in the principles and the dignity of a family.
00:07:23.940 So we cherish so much the concept of a family as the first concept that God came up to as he was creating the whole world.
00:07:35.420 And that's the concept that God gave to the world so that the world may procreate with him, may govern with him, may administer the creation with him.
00:07:45.180 So we emphasize and insist on that aspect of the natural family, and that is what the African faith understands, and that's where it's rooted.
00:07:57.740 So we are happy that even as we are being called and we are participating in the synodality, that is part of our contribution.
00:08:05.940 Our contribution that we want to emphasize the concept of the family as goes on, starting way, goes on, initial way of creating humanity and creating all that we see in the world in life.
00:08:21.400 It's all rooted in the family.
00:08:23.000 Beautiful.
00:08:23.360 Now, what do you say about the pressure?
00:08:25.640 America, Canada, Europe have been pressuring Africa, particularly Uganda, since they passed the anti-sodomy law.
00:08:35.860 There have been a lot of pressure, threats to withdraw aid and things like this.
00:08:41.920 How do you deal with that?
00:08:43.900 And what do you have to say about that kind of pressure coming to America?
00:08:46.820 I think we have to understand with the pressure that go on, they touch the family.
00:08:54.040 But from the history also, I think Europe is very much to explain to us and made the developed world, not just Europe, but the first world.
00:09:01.080 Maybe they have an example to explain to us and to show us, like the more you destroy the family, the more even the kingdoms fall.
00:09:11.060 The kingdoms fall because of the family that has fallen.
00:09:14.320 Anything that happens on the family, it brings down everything else and it has to start again from the family as such.
00:09:20.880 And the kingdom of God, as it says, also is being spent on the family as such.
00:09:27.840 And we should emphasize that aspect.
00:09:30.960 It is obvious knowledge that where the families have not been emphasized or maybe they have been misconceived or abused and such like things, many things don't go on.
00:09:42.100 It may be economically progressive, but still it collapses.
00:09:45.480 It may be, I might call it whatever progressive, but then it collapses because the family aspect is not, as God wants it, is not emphasized.
00:09:55.340 So all these things you see, calling them whatever names you want to call them, so long as they are not focusing on that natural aspect of God's own knowledge and understanding of the family, they will just collapse.
00:10:07.820 They will collapse.
00:10:09.160 God will catch up with the children and they will collapse.
00:10:11.140 So we better emphasize on the way that we know God has given us the deepest of our faith, the deepest of God's teaching to us.
00:10:19.980 You have the same pressures with regard to abortion as has come through on homosexuality. 0.53
00:10:29.400 What is the position here?
00:10:33.000 How did the church here encourage people to have families still, to have children still and never to resort to things like abortion?
00:10:41.140 Yeah, the church, the church and I think humanity also dictates that abortion is killing.
00:10:47.940 And anything that interferes in that way, between the relationship of a man that is meant to procreate, is improper, is inappropriate.
00:10:57.260 And the church in Africa, and the church in Africa, and our faith also dictates to us that we should follow the natural way of God's own teaching.
00:11:08.760 No, God doesn't need to come to teach us by every single word that he says, but nature also teaches us, like, this is what God wants us to do.
00:11:18.060 He spoke, he speaks very strongly in how we react with one another naturally without enforcing all these other artificial activities that come on and destroy our humanity.
00:11:30.440 God saves us by very nature that he himself becomes human, born in our family, born in our family of Mary and Joseph.
00:11:39.720 That was human act.
00:11:41.240 And he became more human so that even living in this world to save us, he had to pursue the difficulties and the challenges of the humanity so that he may save us.
00:11:52.360 So this cannot be ruled out because we want a bit of luxury here, we don't want a bit to change a human person to look like another God.
00:12:02.040 There's no other God, there's only one God.
00:12:04.100 There's one God, yeah.
00:12:04.960 So I think Africans, we have that message for everybody.
00:12:09.040 There's only one God.
00:12:10.140 The God who created us, created man and woman, he created us.
00:12:13.800 Africans, Africans, all other, all people, all races, he created us one, one family of God.
00:12:20.680 And we should respect what, what he tells us.
00:12:23.520 That's, that's a symbol, it's a symbol of that.
00:12:25.700 If we start doing other things, because of our intellectual ability and everything, we are building towers of bubble.
00:12:33.520 And all those towers of bubble collapse so that God will start to be building and then founding.
00:12:38.120 And it happens, and you know, it happens when somebody has grown so much, so they have withdrawn their idea of God in building or building on God.
00:12:50.140 And then after all, does it matter?
00:12:51.940 God doesn't matter directly because of my intellectual ability and of everything I'm doing on my own.
00:12:56.320 And they reach at that level that they forget God in their lives.
00:12:59.460 And once God, if you've got in his life, and you have set him aside, you will go wrong.
00:13:06.580 You will go wrong.
00:13:08.180 You will go wrong.
00:13:09.060 So science can also lead us in that direction.
00:13:11.460 That's why even us, our faith is faith that encounters and counters the teachings of science.
00:13:20.360 The discoveries of human persons so that they may be in line with what God himself teaches.
00:13:26.240 We cannot be put aside from God.
00:13:30.120 We cannot be spread from God because he created us human persons in Israel's image. 0.98
00:13:34.060 He is, and God cannot destroy himself.
00:13:37.000 If you are destroying yourself as a human person, you are doing something against God.
00:13:42.160 So it's like that.
00:13:44.480 Beautiful.
00:13:45.260 You have a large number of seminarians, 75 from what you told me.
00:13:52.260 And that's just wonderful.
00:13:53.680 So what formation do you give them?
00:13:57.320 And what are your hopes for your diocese here?
00:14:00.180 There are hopes for the diocese to have more seminarians and to continue the activities of our mission.
00:14:07.240 We want to thank, in a special way, the missionaries who came to us.
00:14:11.540 The missionaries brought us a wonderful thing, the gift of faith.
00:14:15.420 The gift of faith.
00:14:16.220 And they gave it without counting on the costs.
00:14:21.680 We did not have anything.
00:14:23.620 We did not have anything that we are to pay them.
00:14:29.760 But they just came out of their own sheer love to bring the faith.
00:14:33.560 And that's the best gift that we have.
00:14:35.640 And it's the gift that us, we are training the seminarians, we want to give back to the world.
00:14:40.960 We want to give back to the world.
00:14:42.080 The church in Africa is most available now.
00:14:46.660 As we go through the formation, through the seminaries, to prepare young people, even the whole church in Africa,
00:14:57.540 to come on the waves, on the ends of the shores of the lake, to go back to the center where the faith is.
00:15:03.440 You know, faith is like that water that moves from the ocean in the morning, in the morning it's away from the shores.
00:15:11.160 And then in the evening it comes back and it goes back to the center.
00:15:14.020 And that's how the faith is.
00:15:15.360 And we are sure we shall be there.
00:15:18.480 We shall be there.
00:15:19.180 We shall be there.
00:15:19.700 We emphasize on the basics and the foundations of faith in teaching the faith.
00:15:26.880 And we encourage young people to understand that.
00:15:29.820 Because in that they get their closeness and their relationship to God more than the distractions that come with the human growth.
00:15:40.520 Beautiful.
00:15:40.740 If I can ask you in closing, would you mind giving a blessing to our people who are watching at home?
00:15:48.480 People watching here?
00:15:49.280 Yeah.
00:15:49.660 Okay.
00:15:50.920 Yeah.
00:15:51.540 I want to bless you and I want to wish you a happy preparation this Advent season of Christmas.
00:15:59.340 And you know, Christmas is a special moment in our lives when God himself, or God offers himself to us by becoming a son and a human person in our meeting so that we may learn to be human.
00:16:13.000 We may learn to be human.
00:16:14.500 Not animals, not another thing, but human, with human hearts and with human minds, with human souls to continue serving him as such and to be like him.
00:16:24.720 So, with this, I want to wish you a happy Christmas and prosperous new year as we continue celebrating the proceedings of the Synodality.
00:16:35.820 And may God bless you, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
00:16:39.700 Amen.
00:16:40.180 Amen.
00:16:41.480 Archbishop Philip, thank you so very much.
00:16:43.500 God bless you.
00:16:44.160 Thank you.
00:16:45.720 But we're not done yet.
00:16:46.940 The Archbishop's secretary is a father, Michael Indichu, and he went totally viral with this clip that was aired not only all around Africa, it also made it to the U.S. and other countries.
00:16:59.420 Take a look.
00:17:01.700 When we judge by our conscience if a government, any government at a given time, enact rules that are against three things which are highlighted in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
00:17:15.340 One, if the rules are contrary to moral order, we are not obliged to obey such government.
00:17:24.040 If the government enacts rules that are against the fundamental rights of a human person, the dignity of human person, me and you as Christians, we are not obliged to obey such kind of government.
00:17:39.220 Under that instance or circumstance is when any government at any time enact the rules that are against the teaching of the gospel, we are not obliged to obey such government.
00:17:58.260 There is no way when the government will come and enact the rules against human life, the sacralness of human life, and say it is right to do abortions, it is right to do a venetia, and so on, to do the croning, and so on.
00:18:18.640 When we have no moral obligation to obey such government, when we are being forced, or any government can force us, for us to receive aid and development projects.
00:18:32.880 We must agree to support the Western ideologies that are abhorred by our Christian teaching, our African culture, we cannot be able, because they go against the teaching of gospel.
00:18:50.000 And that becomes morally repugnant, and we are not obliged to obey such.
00:18:54.780 Them, those who enact such rules, they carry the image of God.
00:19:00.740 They are not God themselves.
00:19:03.700 They need to obey the natural rule, the defined rule, as has been stipulated by God himself.
00:19:13.540 So I spoke with Father Ndichu, if he could give us a few more details on just what he meant.
00:19:19.740 Listen to this.
00:19:20.300 So, Father Ndichu, from the Catholic Archdiocese of Nairobi, I work as Administrative Secretary for the Archdiocese and also for the Archbishop of Nairobi.
00:19:33.860 During this time of Advent, we continue to thank God as we prepare ourselves for the birth of our Lord Jesus.
00:19:44.420 And most importantly, is to prepare our hearts, that we can receive him fully in our hearts.
00:19:51.680 And accepting and preparations should also help us to live a very good Christian life.
00:19:59.380 One of the challenges that we are experiencing at this point in the history of humanity is a challenge to be family.
00:20:07.700 We know that family is the basic cell of any society.
00:20:12.460 Without good family, there is no good society.
00:20:17.360 There is no good church as such.
00:20:21.160 And therefore, it is always important to go back to the family.
00:20:24.340 The way God intended it to be is a gift that he has bequeathed to us as a human race.
00:20:32.500 And therefore, we need to defend human family, the dignity of human family, and appreciate family as a gift.
00:20:41.020 We all know that we have come from family.
00:20:43.760 When we do away with the family, we do away with the society at large.
00:20:49.240 And even refuse the gift that God has given us.
00:20:52.820 There are also many challenges that are emanating or coming up against the family.
00:20:59.820 And this needs to be fought in the strongest way possible.
00:21:05.320 One of the threats to the Christian family today is the issue of LGBTQ plus, 1.00
00:21:11.880 which is, for me, a dissertation of Christian family and a Christian marriage.
00:21:18.080 From the very beginning, we know we are all created in Mago Day, in the image and the likeness of God.
00:21:26.240 And we need to value that image in us, that image of God in us, and appreciate that gift he has given to us.
00:21:34.180 Yes, there are people who are advocating for the right of such groups.
00:21:38.280 But I can only say, we cannot claim the right to be a health society.
00:21:45.240 The WHO defines what a human right is.
00:21:48.480 And there is no way you can claim a right to be sick and say, that is a human right.
00:21:54.640 LGBTQ plus and such ideologies, for me, they are antithesis to human family. 1.00
00:22:01.780 They do not advocate any value, and actually they are abomination to the plan of God for creation.
00:22:11.300 And therefore, we need to come very strong and be very strong, especially from even our African perspective,
00:22:22.400 where such cultures like LGBTQ are abhorred by our own culture. 0.99
00:22:27.840 The Christian teaching, the Christian teaching, the church teaching, and even within the scripture themselves.
00:22:37.580 Such ideologies of same-sex union, they are strongly condemned by the Bible.
00:22:47.400 And if they are condemned by the Bible, and this is the soul of everything that we do,
00:22:51.800 we cannot come and purport to accept them.
00:22:55.340 Then we will be going against the will of God.
00:22:57.840 There are those who are saying, it is their right to do this.
00:23:01.900 But if it is something that goes against the defined law, the natural law, and what God constituted us to be,
00:23:09.920 then it is still the main abomination.
00:23:13.020 No matter how much you try to sugarcoat it, such ideology, it is not compatible with the will of God.
00:23:19.460 And therefore, as Christians and people of goodwill, we need, if we want to have a very good society,
00:23:28.380 we need to support families.
00:23:30.760 And anything that goes against family has to be fought with the strongest actions and words possible.
00:23:37.540 Apart from that is that we pray that we may align ourselves with the will of God and accept that family is a gift we need to cherish.
00:23:49.340 And those coming up with such ideologies, or those who have found themselves, especially our young people,
00:23:55.380 who have been off the line and the lead, perhaps because of the modern culture, they have forgotten about themselves.
00:24:04.740 The church is a mother.
00:24:07.200 Our own parishes.
00:24:08.980 Our own families.
00:24:10.280 We have a lot to pray, to help them to live according to the will of God, without justifying whatever they are doing.
00:24:20.200 This demand also that they need to take responsibility of their lives.
00:24:24.780 And we can do that, especially when we remain strong within our family setting.
00:24:32.240 Thank you.
00:24:34.460 And in addition to Father Ndichu, who is the Archbishop's secretary,
00:24:38.720 the head of the bishop's office for life and family in his diocese is Father Simon Kamome.
00:24:48.980 And Father Simon also explained to us his take on defense of the family in the Archdiocese.
00:24:56.920 Have a listen.
00:24:58.700 My name is Father, Father Simon Peter Kamome.
00:25:03.600 I serve here, the Holy Family Minor Basilica in Nairobi.
00:25:10.660 I have also been charged for the responsibility of coordinating the family life department in the Archdiocese of Nairobi.
00:25:18.360 So I'd like to thank His Grace, the Archbishop, Philip Anjalo, for giving us, as priests, this challenge of setting up the family life department office.
00:25:32.580 And one thing I would say is that family life is a very important work to be done in the church because we cannot do proper evangelization unless we start from down there in the families.
00:25:55.420 And so we have really to strengthen the families.
00:26:01.300 We have also to protect the families against some of the, you know, like worldly negative forces that are, of course, working against the family life and marriage and family.
00:26:19.020 And family being a domestic church, you know, like that is where we should all start by incorporating the Christian, you know, culture, incorporating the Christian values, you know, in the life of the children so that every family should have the Christian philosophy or other.
00:26:39.100 Children should be socialized through Christian culture, Christian culture, we thank God, like us, most of us who are the priests, we come from various towns, Catholic families, Catholic families.
00:26:53.180 And that is why we still, by God's grace, feel more and more strengthened.
00:26:58.380 And we have that foundation from our own families.
00:27:03.080 And that is why, personally, I would like God that God has given us this opportunity.
00:27:09.940 And so we should continue to animate the marriages and the families.
00:27:19.260 And it's also a charge upon us as priests, those who are doing evangelization, to ensure that we prepare, prepare the couples well.
00:27:26.900 And we ensure that we don't make it casual, you know, we should prepare them well, they should be, it should be very clear on their noble responsibility as couples in marriage and also as parents, as parents.
00:27:45.400 So we should prepare them very well so that they can also become effective and proper instruments of evangelization within the family and, of course, beyond their own families as Christians, you know, in the church.
00:28:00.480 And just in line with Pope Francis' call that all the people of God should work together, the synod, the spirit of synod, we should ensure that members of the same family are working together.
00:28:16.580 You know, you know, the parents and their children, they are working together, they are sharing the Christian life together.
00:28:23.700 So they should enjoy, rather, being together and experiencing the joys of salvation, of salvation.
00:28:32.280 So that's, for me, that is where the church should start the evangelization.
00:28:38.520 And even the pastoral programs that we have, largely the pastoral programs are supposed to be, actually, programs that address the family issues.
00:28:53.600 And that is what is going to ensure that even the church, you know, the larger, you know, family of the church will be strong because we have strong, you know, families where people are well enlightened in their faith and especially the parents.
00:29:11.120 For me, when people are complaining about the young people, for me, I know the people who are healed first are the parents, because parents have to become spiritual mentors.
00:29:23.660 The spirits have to be, to be, to be, to model, to, you know, like, to model their children, to become models of the Christian faith.
00:29:32.640 Children have to observe, they have to experience, you know, not a matter of just telling them what to do,
00:29:38.360 but when they are, you know, like, reinforced by their parents.
00:29:43.080 And as I said earlier on, you know, like, for me, I see this because it is the experience I have, you know, you know, like, you know, what I experience in the family.
00:29:52.640 Of course, when I was young, I was feeling that the parents were too straight.
00:29:56.820 But that's, for me, that's okay.
00:29:59.020 The children who come to realize this, let alone, let alone in their life.
00:30:02.520 So today, I appreciate my late dad and my mother.
00:30:07.700 And for us, for me, you know, like, even the sizes of the families, you know, like, whenever I prepare couples for marriage, I ask them just, how many children are you going to have?
00:30:20.920 But you can see people have become so secular, so secular in their thinking.
00:30:26.200 Because most of them will tell me, Father, I would like to have one or two children.
00:30:30.620 And then I always ask them, what criteria have you used?
00:30:34.900 You know, like, because our parents used to, and that is still the same understanding,
00:30:39.860 because children are supposed to be actually, to be seen as gifts from God.
00:30:46.340 But today, most couples, they don't see them as gifts.
00:30:49.680 In fact, they see them as burdens, you know.
00:30:53.040 And people will justify, you know, and even try to rationalize and say that they don't have enough resources.
00:31:01.420 But our parents didn't have.
00:31:03.680 But they knew that God would provide.
00:31:07.280 And actually, God provided.
00:31:08.900 And that is why we were there.
00:31:10.960 I know, like, my family, we are 11 in the family.
00:31:13.680 Oh, wow.
00:31:14.100 Wow, and today, I see my mother there and the glad children, great glad children there.
00:31:20.060 When I celebrate Mass for them, after Christmas, for Thanksgiving, it is a wonderful thing.
00:31:27.020 You can see it.
00:31:28.080 But of course, people have to accept that there was sacrifice before you celebrate.
00:31:33.900 You have to do a lot of sacrifice.
00:31:36.020 And that is what many people are avoiding today.
00:31:38.960 And without sacrifice, there is no glory.
00:31:41.420 There is no life without sacrifice.
00:31:43.080 In fact, we celebrate church.
00:31:46.180 We celebrate because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
00:31:51.260 Yeah.
00:31:51.860 It's a consequence of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
00:31:54.580 So the same thing.
00:31:55.400 All of us.
00:31:56.180 Even us as priests, we have to be ready to sacrifice ourselves a lot, a lot, a lot.
00:32:00.760 And God will always be with us.
00:32:02.520 So I would say that all of us, we should focus, focus on family.
00:32:10.160 But for me, I'm planning even to suggest to the Archbishop, Philip, that in the Archdiocese of Nairobi, we try to consecrate all the families and to enthrone all the families in the kingship of Christ.
00:32:30.700 Christ to become the king of every family.
00:32:35.020 So Christ becomes, you know, to be enthroned, becomes now their focus in that family.
00:32:42.120 So that, of course, then we also bring in the idea of Mother Mary.
00:32:46.640 Because, you know, Mother Mary, I remember for us, I would say we were forced by my mother and my father to pray arousal every day.
00:32:55.940 We were literally forced when we were young.
00:32:58.540 And I got it.
00:32:59.660 I got it from there.
00:33:00.820 So we should consecrate our families and we should have programs in the family, programs, the programs that will help the parents and the children to remain united.
00:33:15.680 I always tell people, when people are able to eat together, you pray together, you work together, you socialize, and, you know, we do everything together.
00:33:24.980 That is how we can pray, I mean, kind of promote the Christian unity in the families.
00:33:32.640 This is what is going on to bring out the Christian values.
00:33:37.640 Even if there are challenges in the world, but where the children have a proper Christian foundation, even if they are being influenced by media and other forces in the world, they will still remain strong somehow.
00:33:49.840 And even if they divert, they will still come back because they have it.
00:33:56.420 You know, you cannot give what you don't have.
00:33:58.060 When they have it, they will still have it all the way in their lives.
00:34:02.440 So I would encourage all Christians, all Catholics, especially, all the Catholics to really actually underscore the importance of the family, of the family.
00:34:15.640 And for us priests, that is where our greatest challenge actually is in terms of evangelization.
00:34:22.580 When we preach there, the pulpit, it is not enough.
00:34:26.260 We have to go down to where the families are.
00:34:30.440 And so let's continue to pray.
00:34:34.260 And we encourage all the people, all the people to bring together all the forces that we have, all the resources that we have, so that we can do this very basic evangelization in the families.
00:34:50.440 And all these other forces that we have, you know, like in the world, secular and all this, when we are strong, when we are strong, you know, when that characterization of Christian life has been built in the family, we are going still to remain firm.
00:35:07.000 We are firm, and we will see the product.
00:35:10.760 And as I say, we see children from the Catholic families like that, and they are still very firm, even if it doesn't matter whatever is happening in the world.
00:35:21.320 Thank you.
00:35:22.460 Thank you.
00:35:23.060 Thank you, my friends, for joining us for this in-depth look into the African church in one of the principal dioceses here in Eastern Africa.
00:35:33.420 And that take gives us a very good glimpse, not only as to what the church in Africa thinks of what's going on, but what the traditional faith thinks of what's going on.
00:35:44.260 Because this is where the faith is being maintained.
00:35:48.240 Please pray for Archbishop Agnolo, all the bishops of Africa, as they minister to us with the truth as one of the last voices in the church still speaking the truth on the issue of family.
00:36:02.820 May God bless you all, and from Africa, we'll see you next time.
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