The John-Henry Westen Show - August 04, 2020


Alexander Tschugguel discusses Catholic history of Austria, receiving Communion on tongue

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Alexander Chugel, founder of the St. Boniface Institute, talks about the House of Habsburg and their great devotion to the Blessed Sacrament. He also tells the story of how the Holy Sacrament became a symbol of the Holy Roman Empire.

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00:00:00.040 We're very pleased to have with us someone known to you all, Alexander Chuguel, the great Pachamama destroyer.
00:00:07.000 Alexander Chuguel, of course, is someone who lives in Austria.
00:00:31.020 He has been very active on the scene since he first came to public attention by being the one who orchestrated the move to remove the Pachamama idols from the church in Rome during the Vatican Synod.
00:00:47.540 He has since founded the St. Boniface Institute and works all over the world to bring the truth back to Catholic action.
00:00:57.540 Alexander, thank you for joining us on the John Henry Weston Show.
00:01:01.020 Thank you for the invitation.
00:01:02.920 So, Alexander, can you tell us a little bit about the House of Habsburg and this great devotion to the Blessed Sacrament?
00:01:12.160 Yes, of course, I can tell you a little bit.
00:01:14.980 Well, first, I want to say that we as Austrians, especially the traditional Catholic Austrians, all have a great devotion to the House of Habsburg itself.
00:01:25.980 So it's a great honor to be able to speak a little bit about this.
00:01:29.180 Well, the family is Catholic, historically speaking, since about a thousand years.
00:01:36.280 They never turned Protestant, which is very good, even though a few of them, unfortunately, tried to turn away a little bit in their faults and some of them also pushed the Protestant agenda.
00:01:48.020 But they always stayed Catholic.
00:01:49.760 And out of their family, many great Catholics, many great people came out.
00:01:54.820 First, I want to start with a maybe not so famous history.
00:01:58.940 It is about King Rudolf.
00:02:01.300 He was the first Habsburgian to be the king of the Empire, of the Holy Roman Empire.
00:02:06.860 And when he was out hunting, he saw a priest standing with the Blessed Sacrament on his way to bring it to someone who was about to die.
00:02:17.160 And he was standing on the river and he could not really go past the river without getting the Holy Sacrament in danger of falling to the river.
00:02:25.840 So Rudolf immediately went off his horse and gave him the horse and told him, well, he will lead his horse with the priest, the Holy Sacrament on it, over the river.
00:02:35.800 So after this was done, the priest wanted to hand back the horse to King Rudolf.
00:02:40.720 And King Rudolf said, well, I'm not worthy to sit on this horse again, because now this horse carried our Lord Almighty in the Holy Sacrament.
00:02:49.440 So this is a good story to start with, kind of.
00:02:53.340 And it shows which ideas and which ideals were carried through the centuries by this family, even though, as I said, of course, there are a few who decided to do different.
00:03:11.060 There's another story about the Holy Sacrament, which also nobody knows, actually.
00:03:16.960 It's about Maximilian.
00:03:19.100 Maximilian, the last knight he's called, he reigned around 1500, just before the Protestant Revolution happened.
00:03:28.220 And when he died, he wanted his body to be to be flagellated.
00:03:34.280 I don't know how you call it better, but.
00:03:36.300 Whipped, yeah.
00:03:37.340 And then to paint the picture of this, to show it to the people living in Austria so that they always remember, also the emperor, also the emperor, the vanitas, you know, everything.
00:03:48.740 Everything fades away somewhere and your body is not the most important.
00:03:52.420 Everything happening in the earth is not the most important.
00:03:54.460 You have to go to heaven.
00:03:55.880 So as a sign of this devotion to God, he, by testament, said that he wants his most favorite armor.
00:04:07.760 As I tell you, you know, the armor the knight wears in the battle, to be put kneeling in front of the Holy Sacrament in the church in Innsbruck in Tyrone, so that the people always say, always see that this symbol, so that his armor is put into, in the front of the Holy Sacrament, symbolizes that the whole country and all the people who live in it should do the same.
00:04:31.920 And as we know, emperors and kings, they live and show us, if they are good emperors and kings, the way of life by giving signs and giving us symbols.
00:04:44.340 And that is really a great symbol, actually.
00:04:46.800 I'm very happy to know that.
00:04:47.840 And we can go on.
00:04:50.840 I want to tell you one last story so that we have maybe three good stories throughout the centuries.
00:04:55.920 The last emperor, you all know him, blessed emperor Kairn, also Charles of Austria.
00:05:02.300 He wrote diaries and these diaries are very important and very interesting, especially for the time after him being emperor.
00:05:11.360 And when they were brought to the island by ship, you know, when you had to go to the exile, they brought him by ship.
00:05:21.360 And on this ship, they asked he and his wife, Empress Sita, they asked them to be able to attend Holy Mass and to bring a priest on board of the ship.
00:05:32.160 And the crew did not allow them to do so.
00:05:34.380 And he was writing down in his diary that this was one of the most terrible times in his whole life, because he, for the rest of his life, and also before that occasion, went to Mass every day and tried to receive the Holy Sacrament every day.
00:05:48.880 There's another story of Emperor Karl, and I want to add it because it adds to the same emperor.
00:05:53.480 When the last day of his life, he was already feeling very weak throughout the night, and he knew that he's going to end his life on earth and he's going to join the choir invisible.
00:06:07.320 So what did he do?
00:06:08.600 He asked at two o'clock in the morning, the priest, to receive the sacrament.
00:06:11.760 But then he stopped and said, well, Father, am I allowed to receive the sacrament?
00:06:17.520 Am I even worth to do that?
00:06:18.920 Because out of my sore throat, I had to take a sip of water.
00:06:24.720 Is this okay for me to receive the sacrament?
00:06:26.980 I don't feel worthy.
00:06:28.520 And so the priest calmed him down.
00:06:30.340 As we all know, back then, before the changes, it was only possible to receive Holy Communion if you started fasting from midnight on.
00:06:40.640 And the priest told him, you are in a situation of death, so you will most probably die.
00:06:47.400 Of course it's possible, and handed him out to the Holy Communion, and then he died afterwards, which is a wonderful story.
00:06:53.600 So yes, we have a few stories to look up to this family and to really follow them in many things they did.
00:07:00.960 Yeah, what an absolutely great devotion.
00:07:03.120 And so what has this meant for Austrians down through the generations, and what does it mean for you personally?
00:07:08.760 Well, for the generations, first, yes, we had in Austria, through this very public, through this very public sign and this very public language the Habsburgs gave us by doing that, of course, always a kind of push towards the Catholic faith.
00:07:28.300 I want to go a little bit to the Reformation, because the Reformation time was really terrible in Europe, as you know.
00:07:35.920 In the German-speaking area, in the 16th century, 90% of all the people living there lost the faith.
00:07:44.080 That's 90%, 90%.
00:07:46.060 90%, 90% joined the revolution.
00:07:48.560 And also the Emperor, Maximilian II, was very weak, very weak, and at the end, he did not even go to Mass anymore, he did not even attend Mass anymore.
00:08:00.320 And his son, Rudolf II, was a bohemian, he was very occult, and then he said, when he was about to die, he said, no, I won't go to confession.
00:08:08.580 I have to say, they both stayed officially Catholic, but they were really away from the faith.
00:08:14.980 And Maximilian even gave a lot of rights to all the Protestants throughout the empire.
00:08:21.820 But the brothers of Maximilian was Karl, who was residing in Styria, and Ferdinand, he was residing in my family's home country, Tarot.
00:08:33.400 They were both very devout Catholics, both very devout Catholics.
00:08:36.780 And they met at the very end of the 16th century with the Prince of Bavaria, the Kurfürst of Bavaria.
00:08:44.420 And they met him and asked him how they can now plan the counter-reformation.
00:08:50.900 And together with the wonderful Kardia Klesel, they really managed to re-Catholicize the Holy Roman Empire.
00:08:59.760 It was really fantastic.
00:09:01.260 So they were really wonderful.
00:09:03.520 And then afterwards, it was again turned back to the Protestant faith by, as I told you before, Rudolf and Matthias.
00:09:12.180 They both were unfortunately not very Catholic.
00:09:14.920 But then 1618, I think, I'm not very sure of the number right now of the year, it was Ferdinand II who was crowned.
00:09:23.640 And Ferdinand II was raised up by Jesuits. 0.95
00:09:27.780 And back then, this meant to be something very good, very good.
00:09:30.740 It changed a little bit throughout the time, but back then it was very good.
00:09:33.240 And he was daily going to attending the Holy Mass.
00:09:38.840 So daily he was attending the Holy Mass.
00:09:40.540 He made a pilgrimage to Maria Loreto.
00:09:43.780 So, you know, the place where the house of the Most Holy Family stands.
00:09:48.120 And in this house, he knelt down in front of the statue of Our Lady and promised her that he will make Catholic,
00:09:54.820 that he will make Austria Catholic again.
00:09:57.140 And he kept his promise.
00:09:58.360 So he went back to Austria and he really turned around the country. 0.81
00:10:02.660 And after him, Austria was Catholic up until, let's say, modern times.
00:10:08.940 We're still mainly Catholic, but since Vatican II and everything which changed, it, of course, faded away.
00:10:14.920 So this is what the family did for Austria and for our ancestors.
00:10:18.940 They always, even though a few fell away, but in every generation, there was someone who at least tried to be a little bit more faithful than, let's say, the average was.
00:10:32.420 Right.
00:10:33.220 So what does it mean for us Austrians in the present time, and especially for me?
00:10:38.260 It means for us to see that it is possible to maintain the faith, even though everyone wants to abolish it.
00:10:45.300 It is possible in a time where only 10% of the country are Catholic.
00:10:48.820 Now in Austria, we're still more than 50%.
00:10:50.660 So it should be a little bit more easy.
00:10:54.000 It is possible.
00:10:54.800 And of course, this is a great example.
00:10:56.380 And we all love to follow this example if we can.
00:11:00.560 If we can.
00:11:01.540 Absolutely.
00:11:01.940 Now, you see in Austria right now, even though there's 50% Catholic, that type of Catholicism is quite different from what we'd consider normal or proper Catholicism.
00:11:16.580 And part of this is manifested in the method of reception of Holy Communion.
00:11:20.940 How do you yourself receive, and why do you do it that way?
00:11:25.920 Well, first I have to say that I am really lucky to tell you that after I converted, and I think on another show we had together, I already told the story of my conversion.
00:11:36.040 The priest, which led me to the conversion, it was a very conservative, it still is a very conservative and good priest.
00:11:42.640 And he told me that the only proper way to receive Holy Communion is kneeling down and receiving on the tongue.
00:11:50.500 So without touching it with one's hand.
00:11:53.880 And I always and only state to this rule.
00:11:57.700 And so by now, since I got Catholic, I never received Holy Communion any other way than kneeling and on the tongue.
00:12:04.500 The problem with the Holy Communion in the hand is that in Austria, as a Catholic country, as in many other Catholic countries back then, when the Holy Communion, when the Vatican II Reformations came into our country, the people were all taught, and this started already around 1900, that everything, everything a bishop or the pope says is infallible.
00:12:29.320 It's wrong, but this was something, an ideology, which really, really, really was pushed.
00:12:34.740 I can tell you a little story nobody knows, but for example, there was a prelate in the Vatican.
00:12:39.120 He was the one who led the groups, the pilgrims, how do you call them?
00:12:43.900 Yes.
00:12:44.260 Pilgrims, yeah.
00:12:44.700 He led them to the Holy Father when they had an audience, because back then there was no big, huge general audience, but only group audiences.
00:12:52.880 And before they were allowed to enter the room where the Holy Father said, he told them, you now will see the Holy Father, you will kneel in front of him, and you will listen to his words.
00:13:06.260 Every word, he says, is infallible.
00:13:09.200 And this was kind of accepted at the end of the 19th century, even though it was wrong.
00:13:14.240 It was never the teaching of the church.
00:13:15.460 So the people were taught this in the families and in the Catholic religious teachings, and so they all followed.
00:13:24.000 And when people told them, well, the better way now, the modern way is to receive it on the hand, because it's more of a sign of doing something in communion.
00:13:34.580 It's more the sign of the table, you know, of the dining table than the sign of the sacrifice.
00:13:42.060 And of course, they all followed.
00:13:43.260 I have to tell you now that even though, of course, it looks like everyone in Austria only receives communion on the hand, that's wrong.
00:13:51.320 We have a counter movement to this since the very beginning, and it gains momentum.
00:13:57.220 And now we are in my age, I know many, many, many faithful who actually only receive on the tongue, even though their parents were taught to only receive in the hand.
00:14:07.900 So this is something which comes back.
00:14:09.920 The problem is only that the numbers of Catholics officially are still very high.
00:14:14.080 And as you all know, in your country, it's a little bit the same.
00:14:17.020 The numbers of Catholics who really believe in the 10th Mass are very low.
00:14:20.520 But this number of people who believe in the 10th Mass, the number of people who receive from the tongue, it's actually very high.
00:14:27.600 It's very high.
00:14:28.120 And it's interesting, too, especially among the faithful young people, we see that a lot.
00:14:35.540 Speaking to Teresa Habsburg, it's been very evident in her life, actually, especially during the coronavirus.
00:14:45.000 If you can tell us something about your experience of reception of Holy Communion during the coronavirus,
00:14:49.600 when many bishops around the world have been telling people you must receive on the hand, on the hand only.
00:14:55.120 How have you confronted that?
00:14:57.480 Well, it's a very easy answer.
00:14:59.340 First of all, I have to thank an anonymous priest.
00:15:01.920 I don't want to mention him, who was courageous enough to bring me the Holy Communion when I was sick.
00:15:08.660 And sick with coronavirus.
00:15:10.600 Yes, I was sick with coronavirus.
00:15:11.800 And we did not know how the disease is, so he decided to put on all the safety measures which were necessary.
00:15:19.520 But, of course, he handed me the Holy Communion without having a plastic glove, because this would not be worth it.
00:15:26.500 And he disinfected his hands before and after the whole act, but not in between, which I think is also very important,
00:15:33.260 because he should not put alcoholic death effect on the Holy Communion.
00:15:37.220 And he handed me the Holy Communion, and I can tell you, he did not get the disease from me, as far as I know.
00:15:43.560 First, this is my first answer.
00:15:44.680 So I had the pleasure and the honor and the grace to even receive it during my time of sickness.
00:15:52.320 And now I have to, I can tell you something.
00:15:54.480 I talked to a huge amount of doctors all around Austria, to a huge amount of doctors.
00:16:00.680 I can tell you, I cannot tell you the number, but I think more than 80 or 90 doctors.
00:16:05.220 It's not a joke.
00:16:05.720 We tried to put up an initiative so that we can, you know, tell the bishops to abolish this ugly pseudo-restriction.
00:16:15.620 And they all told me the following, that it's very logical, the less you touch someone else,
00:16:22.580 the less any disease can hop over to the other person.
00:16:26.980 And we all know, we all know who, we, who normally try to attend the Holy Mass as often as possible
00:16:33.920 and try to be ready to receive Holy Communion there always, as often as possible.
00:16:40.960 We know that the occasion that a priest really touches your tongue is actually kind of close to zero.
00:16:48.380 So I, in my life as Catholic, so since 2009, I never touched the priest with the tongue,
00:16:55.240 at least not that I felt it, and all the priests I talked to who only hand out communion on the tongue
00:17:01.180 because they're traditional priests or conservative ones, they also told me that this is true.
00:17:07.000 So this is the first fact.
00:17:08.440 The second fact is that the hands touch everything.
00:17:12.600 And if the priest washes his hands before the Holy Mass, and then during the Holy Mass,
00:17:18.520 purifies his hands again, and then he has the Holy Sacrament in his hands,
00:17:25.240 there is no problem with that.
00:17:27.900 If he hands it out carefully, like every faithful priest does on the tongue,
00:17:33.380 there is no possibility that this really jumps over.
00:17:36.560 And if it jumps over, the priest has about an hour, two hours, three hours of time washing his hands,
00:17:42.100 which is so he can easily end the Mass and at the end wash his hands.
00:17:47.180 It's not at all a problem.
00:17:48.100 So all the doctors confirmed that and they did a huge letter to the bishops' conference
00:17:54.220 and the bishops' conference in Austria, even though they were very weak at the beginning,
00:17:58.440 they are now officially allowed it again.
00:18:02.300 So this is an argument which is valid.
00:18:04.800 And now I come to my Catholic point of view.
00:18:07.840 I would not even care about this argument.
00:18:10.180 I have to be honest.
00:18:11.160 I have to be honest.
00:18:11.880 I know we have to be very careful.
00:18:13.880 And I know that there are great examples in the history of our church.
00:18:18.640 For example, St. Carl Boromius, Charles Boromius, who was a great saint,
00:18:23.720 who tried to find creative ways of handing out the community to as many people as possible.
00:18:30.700 He, for example, erected altars on the streets so that people out of the windows can watch
00:18:36.460 and attend the Holy Mass.
00:18:38.020 He then separated the sick priests, the ones who had the black death already 0.99
00:18:42.080 and the ones who are still healthy.
00:18:43.760 The sick priests handed the Holy Communion out to the sick, the healthy to the healthy.
00:18:48.020 And if there were only healthy people, he used a purified silver spoon as the orthodox 0.88
00:18:54.380 and do it, the one in the Eastern one.
00:18:57.100 But so you see, there was always a way for the people, if the priests are really faithful
00:19:04.800 and courageous, to receive our Holy Lord in the times where it is especially necessary
00:19:10.300 to receive the sacraments.
00:19:12.060 I really have to say, this is the way our church should lead and not in the way many bishops
00:19:17.920 try to do.
00:19:19.280 In a very coward and very, very, very anti-Catholic way.
00:19:23.060 Alexander, I want to thank you for joining us on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.
00:19:26.440 So let's pray together that the reception of our Lord in Holy Communion worthily really
00:19:34.220 does take over and really does bring to an end the practice of receiving our Lord in
00:19:41.240 a manner unworthy of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
00:19:47.400 Thank you very much for the invitation again.
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