AUSCP Unmasked： The Battle for Catholic Orthodoxy
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Summary
The Association of United States Catholic Priests (AUSCP) is a group of Catholic priests who are dedicated to bringing things back to Orthodoxy in the Catholic Church. In this episode, Bishop John Henry Stowe of Lexington, Kentucky and Archimandrite John Wesley of St. Louis, Missouri talk about the AUSCP and what they are all about.
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Even though they don't want it on the printed page saying, yeah, we want women priests and
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women bishops and a woman pope, that's very clearly what they do desire.
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What if I told you that just last week there was a conference of priests in America held
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where two sitting bishops participated in which they discussed not only mundane things like the
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ordination of women, priests and bishops, but how about discussing masturbation or self-abuse
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as a beautiful thing, especially right after prayer?
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Oh yeah, we've got that from someone who is staying in the same hotel and he's none other
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than Michael Hichborn, who if you don't know him yet, you need to because he and his Lepanto
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Institute have exposed some of the most horrific corruption in the church today, all with a
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Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
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So my friend, you get around to all of the places where A, you're not wanted.
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B, it's going to be, it might even be dangerous for you, but you do it anyway, but you do so
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with a heart actually for those who are tending to try and bring them back to truth, which I
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I think they regard you pretty much as enemy number one.
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In fact, I did have a drink with one of the AUSCP priests who sat down with me and he just
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started chatting to me, you know, asked who I was and just my name and what I do.
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And I just kind of gave very bland, very nondescript answers.
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And so then he sat down and said, oh, well, we're here with the Association of U.S.
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Catholic priests and we're doing this and that.
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He just kind of sat there and talked and talked and talked.
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And a lot of his stuff was kind of peppered with gay this and homosexual that.
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Well, the next day he saw me in the hallway and he stopped me and he said, what's your
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And he said, well, are you are you the spokesman for some organization?
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And I said, well, yes, I'm the head of the Lepanto Institute.
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He said, you're not very friendly to this organization, are you?
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He said, look, I got pulled aside the other day after I sat down to talk to you.
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And and I was told by some other people that I was sitting down and having drinks with the
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And I said, Father, I'm not here to be your enemy.
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And then he went on about how well you need to change your understanding of the church and
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you need to understand, change your understanding of of how the church operates.
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He said, yes, but you have to understand how what doctrine is.
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I said, OK, well, what about Catholic morality?
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And he said he said, well, Catholic morality comes from your understanding of doctrine.
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But all of this steeped in modernism, changing our understanding of a reality without changing
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the reality itself is exactly what the AUSCP is all about.
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OK, so the Association of United States Catholic Priests, a yearly meeting they
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held, and it's being attended by two sitting bishops of the United States.
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Bishop John Stowe of Lexington, Kentucky, is an actual member of the AUSCP.
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And Archbishop John Wester, who is the Episcopal moderator for the AUSCP, was also in attendance.
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In fact, Bishop Stowe kind of addressed the Lepanto Institute or the Lepanto people in one
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of his sessions, decrying my organization and saying that, well, you know, we've probably
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OK, this is really odd because in times previous, previous to Francis, I know it's been a long
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time, but nonetheless, if a bishop were to advocate for women priests, they would get disciplined,
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sometimes even removed if they were unwilling to recant.
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But this organization is very upfront about promoting women's ordination, not only to the
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diaconate, which seems to be in vogue nowadays, but also to the priesthood and even beyond.
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We've got several reports that we've put together showing how the AUSCP wants to have
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And, you know, they're using it as a stepping stone, saying, well, we need to have these
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lay ministers who will then be appointed as worship leaders.
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And then if we have worship leaders who are women, you might as well ordain them to deacons.
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Well, if you have women who are already ordained as deacons, you might as well just give them
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So as I was rounding the corner outside the cathedral there, San Fernando Cathedral in
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San Antonio, I'm holding a sign that said AUSCP supports women's ordination.
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And the priest that you reported on earlier this month or earlier last month, really,
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Father Frederick Daly, the priest from Syracuse, New York, who said that gay mass and had the
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gay flag and all that, he was coming in the opposite direction.
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And he looked at my sign and he said, we sure do.
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He said, to the diaconate, to the priesthood, as bishops, as pope.
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And the other priests that were there with him did not correct him.
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OK, so in case anybody's wondering what Michael's referring to, this clip is from that crazy
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He's from Syracuse, New York, if I'm not mistaken.
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And you might have thought you've seen all of the wacko LGBT kind of masses with felt banners
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And we're invited to recall once again that as we gather to worship today, we're on the
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So it's very interesting because I'm I'm always still stunned.
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That priest, the the most out there priest on LGBT is still a priest in good standing in
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We have Bishop Strickland, who is out of his diocese.
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We have there's still a priest and bishop in good standing with the church.
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I mean, they're able to celebrate sacraments still, but they are kicked out of the diocese.
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The Father Daly and I guess most of the priests at the AUSCP meeting and Bishop Stowe and Bishop
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Now, Father Frederick Daly, he is actually a member of the AUSCP.
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I have here the AUSCP's list of donors from 24 to 25.
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But here I have the AUSCP's program book from this particular assembly.
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And it's very interesting because they had a section on their working groups and the section
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They said here right at the end, we are in the process of finalizing a document for clergy
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titled Pastoral Responses and Resources for Priests and Bishops Replying to Women Who Feel
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Called to Ministries that Exist and Ministries that Do Not Yet Exist.
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So when you put into context with what Father Daly said to me with this particular statement,
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it's very clear where they're going with this, even though they don't want it on the printed
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page saying, yeah, we want women priests and women bishops and a woman pope.
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It's very interesting because they're playing this game kind of like Father James
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Martin does with courting error while trying to stay within the confines, as it were.
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But they kind of lose it every once in a while.
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That's why I thank you so much for doing what you're doing, because you're really helping
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to show the truth of the matter, which is, you know, despite they're trying to hide themselves
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One of the things that I collected, I had this little button, love is love, with a
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But I also found this little sticker, WWJE, who would Jesus exclude?
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And the obvious answer is, well, they're talking about immigrants being excluded from the United
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States, and they're talking about the LGBT community being excluded from the church.
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But what's interesting about that is at the same time that they have these things, I have
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a supporter who was attending the Rosary Rally with us.
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And he told me this story about how he accidentally went up to the AUSCP floor in the hotel.
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And while he was there, he asked for Michael Hichborn.
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And they said, Michael Hichborn, he is not welcome here.
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Well, clearly, he would exclude Michael Hichborn.
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When the AUSCP was preparing to process over to the cathedral to hear mass from Archbishop
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Siller, somebody got up at the podium and started instructing them how to avoid our Rosary
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And then he said, by the way, you should know the Lepanto people don't have a permit.
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So hopefully, by the end of the day, they'll all be in jail.
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So, you know, it's incredible to think, at the same time, they're out there saying, we
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don't want illegal immigrants to be thrown in jail.
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We don't want these criminals who are here illegally thrown in jail.
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We don't want Black Lives Matter protesters, mostly peaceful protesters.
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But the people who are out there praying for us, we want them in jail.
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All the blather about not excluding, and yet there it is.
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And unfortunately for those, and the whole reason why you're doing this is because Jesus
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Those who are sinners will be excluded from Christ.
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He gives them the way, because he is the way, the truth of life.
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And by rejecting him, they are excluding themselves from eternal life.
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Let's get on to this one thing, because probably the most horrendous thing is this thing you
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mentioned about what's going on with masturbation, self-abuse.
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It is considered a sin, by the way, in the Catholic Church.
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You know, everybody thinks, oh, they just pick on the gays and blah, blah, blah, and
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that's all they talk about, and the women who have abortions.
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The Church has all sorts of teachings on purity, which encompass not only homosexuality, but
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And part of the biggest curses we have today that's obviously associated with pornography,
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which, by the way, our lady warned about as being like a superhighway to hell when she
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said more souls go to hell because of sins of impurity than for any other reason, this
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issue of self-abuse, as it used to be called, is majorly a problem.
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And yet, even that, they're saying, is not a problem.
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So one of the things that I heard, and it was deeply disturbing, and I will be putting
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out a report on this, a highly detailed report once we get everything figured out.
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But what I heard was that in one of the meetings, there was a long and lengthy discussion on
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homosexuals and homosexuals in the church and how to pastorally care for them and that
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And at some point, there were priests that were raising their hands and admitting that
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I mean, does it mean that they have same-sex attraction, or does it mean that they're acting
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But there were at least priests in the room standing up and saying, I'm gay, I'm gay, I'm
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And then they were talking about self-abuse, as you pointed out.
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And at least one of these men who was admitting to this behavior and admitting to this inclination
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started talking about how he looks at self-abuse as a prayerful exercise, that he prays while
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he does that and he thinks that it's a beautiful thing, a beautiful gift that God had given
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And when you think about that, regardless of the visual here, what I'm concerned with is
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that I can guarantee not a single priest in that room told him that what he is doing is
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mortally sinful, and that if he continues to do it and have this idea that it's actually
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And by promoting it, what is he saying in the confessional?
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What advice is he giving to young men who are coming to him and confessing self-abuse?
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Or worse, is he telling them that it's beautiful and do it with prayer?
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And on top of that, if he is one of the self-professed homosexuals in the room, well, what phantasms
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is he entering into his mind as he's doing this?
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There are all sorts of questions here that come along with that kind of thinking.
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And it's a horribly, horribly disturbing thing to have been told.
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And I am horrified at the fact that this was even discussed, let alone out in the open.
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It's not actually all that surprising that we devolve more and more.
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Because once you leave the truth, once you leave the truth of Christ, and you go down these
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avenues that you think are, you know, oh, they're wonderful for the human psyche, and this is where
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we want to go because we want to make it positive.
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You will go further and further away from the truth, and that means into evil.
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The popular argument that I think is used a lot of times to justify that behavior, not
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so much that he's kind of sanctified it or trying to sanctify it, but to at least justify
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But they're bringing it to a new level of this is a wonderful practice, and it's so good
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You end up with a different religion where you glorify evil, and then you turn all morality
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In fact, the prophet Isaiah warned, you know, avoid those who proclaim bitter for sweet and
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But even more to the point, when you start to consider the fact that these men want to
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change the way the church approaches things, I mean, the title of this particular meeting
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was Sexuality and Spirituality, Pastoral Approaches.
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So they're saying, well, we're not changing doctrine, as that one priest who told me in the
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hallway, we're not changing doctrine, we're not against doctrine, but they're changing
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the way the church understands the doctrine, or they're trying to change the way the church
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approaches matters pastorally in light of doctrine.
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So they're creating a cognitive dissonance by saying that you can believe one thing and
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It's the same kind of cognitive dissonance that you have with politicians who say, well,
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I'm personally pro-life, but dot, dot, dot, I'm going to vote in favor of abortion.
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I'm going to vote in favor of same-sex marriage.
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They're trying to serve the master of their bodies while professing to follow the master
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Well, let's talk finally about and conclude with this about the two prelates in the
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room, because there are all these wayward priests there.
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There are, there's an association of probably many priests.
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Do you know how many priests in the U.S. belong to this group?
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The AUSCP claims to have about 1,500 to 2,000 members.
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Again, Bishop Stowe from Lexington, Kentucky, and Bishop Wester from Santa Fe, New Mexico.
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First of all, those within those dioceses should probably think twice about who their shepherd
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But how can people reach out and do something about this?
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Because in that case, in the case of the bishops, this is the most severe thing you
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We do have a new pope, so hopefully we can see some real change in the Vatican, but we'll
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In the meantime, I do recommend that people write to the nuncio, go to our reports, outline
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all of the different things that we've put together about the AUSCP, and tie in all the
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bishops that we've talked about who have participated with, supported, and lauded the AUSCP.
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In fact, Archbishop Siller, who said mass for the AUSCP down in San Antonio.
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And in his homily to the AUSCP, he was saying, I am, I am, I've been following what you do,
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and I've been hearing from my brother bishops, what a wonderful organization you are.
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And he went on and on and on talking about how great they are.
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And, you know, when you have a sitting archbishop in his diocese, invite the AUSCP and say mass
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for them, talk about the wonderful things that they're doing in light of what we have
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uncovered about the AUSCP, there's a very serious, serious problem in the church because
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the AUSCP is getting top cover from archbishops and bishops and cardinals throughout the United
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Wait, just before you, before you go on there, that's very serious.
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So you're saying that the archbishop of San Antonio, Texas, Archbishop Gustavo Garcia Siller
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celebrated the opening mass for this heretical group of priests.
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He's the same one who went after the ranch of the family, Dan Savinia's ranch.
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He's the same one that took to task this divine mercy community down there.
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Uh, he's the one pushed aside the Latin mass, but doing this, that, that's quite something
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What other bishops have participated with this, uh, uh, associate US, uh, AUSCP?
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So I, I want to give a shout out first to, uh, SAFA, which is a local pro-life organization.
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They really did yeoman's work in trying to come in and assist us at these rosary rallies,
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but they, they got a recording of Archbishop Siller's, um, uh, homily at the mass for the
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And I'll be sharing that with you and I'll share that with, uh, with our supporters too.
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But, um, the other bishops and cardinals that have participated with AUSCP include Cardinal
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McElroy, Cardinal Cupich, Cardinal Wilton Gregory, uh, Arch, uh, Bishop Gumbleton, who is now
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So you just said Cardinal Cupich, Cardinal McElroy, and Cardinal Gregory.
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Three of the leading churchmen in the United States, the, the kingmakers, if you will, and
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they're all in supportive, uh, supportive of the AUSCP.
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They've spoken at their conferences and they've, uh, participated in some of their events.
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We also have, uh, Archbishop Hebda who, uh, invited them into his diocese.
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We have, um, Archbishop Rozanski from, from, uh, St. Louis.
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Archbishop Carlson, uh, said mass for the AUSCP.
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We've got, uh, Archbishop Hartmeier who participated in some of their events, spoke at one of their
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events and, and, uh, has participated, said mass for the AUSCP.
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And, and there are a couple of others that I'm, I'm forgetting right off the top of my head,
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but, um, there's a very serious problem when you have that kind of Episcopal participation
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in an organization that is designed specifically to change the church's understanding of who she
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is, what her priesthood is, what the sacraments are, and, and even the most fundamental, basic
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All of those things are being tossed up by the AUSCP and these bishops are giving them all sorts
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We're going to, um, make a list of those for both our story on this interview over at LifeSite
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And you'll notice down in the, uh, notes under this, the names of those bishops and cardinals
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as well, because I think the faithful need to know, uh, Michael Hitchborn, as always, you've
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done an incredible job, uh, amidst hard work and, uh, thankless, at least from some quarters.
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But I know that all of us here at LifeSite News are very grateful for all your work.
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