The John-Henry Westen Show - Bishop Schneider： Blessing of same-sex unions is 'an abomination'

00:00:00.000 Christ is, let us say, the real Pope, the head of the Church, invisible.

00:00:06.220 But he is using and he is guiding the Church infallibly,

00:00:10.220 even with a defective instrument or his vicar, in this case the Pope.

00:00:24.160 Hello, my friends, and welcome to Rome.

00:00:25.920 We are here, of course, to cover the end of the Synod and also Rome Life Forum,

00:00:31.680 which is the LifeSite conference that has been held here in Rome ever since 2014,

00:00:37.020 so for most of this pontificate.

00:00:39.300 And we're here today very much graced by the presence of Bishop Athanasius Schneider,

00:00:44.920 as you know from Astana in Kazakhstan.

00:00:47.080 And he has delivered his new book, his new catechism called Credo,

00:00:52.580 a wonderful catechism which answers all the modern questions we have in the Church.

00:00:58.140 I was speaking with Alexander Chuguel the other day,

00:01:00.740 and he mentioned how it's a great manual for apologetics,

00:01:03.600 in addition to teaching our children and everything else.

00:01:05.600 But for all of you wondering how to answer the tough questions on all of the issues we have today,

00:01:10.460 and all of the sticky issues especially,

00:01:12.740 the answers are right there, very clear, concise, beautiful.

00:01:15.400 We're also here to talk with Bishop Schneider about the current controversy.

00:01:20.620 During the Synod, we didn't hear that much.

00:01:22.640 There was a block in communications, of course.

00:01:24.400 But from the outset of the Synod, we had the answers to the dubia of the five cardinals.

00:01:28.860 And that was very difficult, because that seemed to indicate that priests could decide for themselves

00:01:35.180 whether or not they want to give a blessing to same-sex unions, couples in same-sex unions.

00:01:41.080 Very dangerous.

00:01:41.700 Not marriage.

00:01:42.340 It wasn't to be marriage.

00:01:43.240 Not to lead to confusion about marriage, but same-sex civil unions.

00:01:46.120 And we heard that same thing happen in most of our governments.

00:01:49.120 Before they introduced same-sex marriage, they introduced same-sex civil unions.

00:01:52.820 Of course, it led to marriage, but they all swore up and down

00:01:55.280 while they were introducing same-sex unions, it had nothing to do with marriage.

00:01:58.680 In fact, even to prevent same-sex marriage.

00:02:01.740 So, utter, utter confusion.

00:02:04.200 We're going to talk to His Excellency about that as well.

00:02:06.300 But that's raised questions then about the papacy of Pope Francis itself,

00:02:10.860 because how can this be that we have this erroneous teaching coming from the Pope himself?

00:02:18.280 All then and more on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.

00:02:21.380 Stay tuned.

00:02:21.840 Hello, friends.

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00:03:07.800 Excellency, thank you so much for joining us in the program.

00:03:10.220 You're welcome.

00:03:11.680 And let's begin, as we always do, with sign-a-cross, if you would lead us, please.

00:03:15.100 In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

00:03:19.460 Amen.

00:03:19.940 Amen.

00:03:21.540 So, Excellency, there has been just a flurry of activity.

00:03:25.780 It's been beautiful here.

00:03:27.960 We're in the midst also of the Smorum Pontificum Pilgrimage,

00:03:31.380 a traditional mass pilgrimage here in Rome.

00:03:34.320 And you've been very, very busy.

00:03:36.880 So I want to thank you for your time, because I know you've been stretched very much.

00:03:40.620 Let's start with your book, Catechism Credo.

00:03:45.760 I know you explained it was, what did you say, brought by demands of the faithful.

00:03:53.280 And you explained, I believe it was, in reference to someone who knocked at the udders asking for milk.

00:03:59.680 Perhaps you can tell us, what are some good ways the faithful can knock at the udders of the Church

00:04:05.440 to get from their bishops, their pastors, the milk of truth?

00:04:09.980 Yes, it was an expression of St. Caesarius of Arles from the 5th century,

00:04:16.780 in which even Pope Francis quoted once,

00:04:18.980 saying that the faithful have a right to a doctrine, to a spiritual nourishment.

00:04:29.120 And if the bishops are not giving them, they must go to them like the calf,

00:04:36.740 knocking on the udder of the cow, mother, to ask milk.

00:04:40.960 And so, the faithful must continue to ask the Pope and the bishops to give them a true milk,

00:04:49.660 not a fake milk or fake nourishment, but a true nourishment,

00:04:55.400 which is the Word of God, the revelation of God, the doctrine of Christ,

00:05:00.600 which was entrusted to the apostles and their successors,

00:05:05.680 the bishops and the Pope, the magisterium,

00:05:10.100 only to keep it carefully and transmit it faithfully

00:05:16.700 and explain it in the same meaning and sense which all the time the Church taught.

00:05:24.820 And so, this is very important in this time of confusion,

00:05:29.620 where even from the highest levels of hierarchy,

00:05:35.000 unfortunately, we are hearing so much confusion in doctrine.

00:05:40.460 Therefore, it's the hour of the faithful to demand

00:05:43.160 the pure Catholic doctrine as a spiritual nourishment.

00:05:50.180 Beautiful.

00:05:51.020 And what were the particular ways that worked with you

00:05:54.160 as an arduous task to make a catechism?

00:05:56.300 And so, any suggestion on particular methods that could be used

00:06:00.900 to encourage bishops, pastors, and so on, to provide this milk?

00:06:05.400 The people, the faithful, on their places, when they are living,

00:06:09.440 they must address their pastors and then the bishops to present them.

00:06:16.300 Maybe they can show them.

00:06:17.960 We have here texts already proven by the history of the Church,

00:06:23.920 let us say, the traditional catechisms, like Baltimore Catechism, for example,

00:06:30.620 and ask the bishop, please give us such a clear teaching again.

00:06:35.980 And as our forefathers received it,

00:06:41.660 they had still the happiness, our fathers, let us say,

00:06:45.720 our forefathers, grandfathers, until the council,

00:06:49.840 all generations of Catholics, they had the happiness

00:06:53.820 to receive a pure, integral, sure Catholic doctrine.

00:07:03.260 And these, they should say, we ask to.

00:07:06.720 Then the faithful can themselves make meetings

00:07:10.900 for spreading the Catholic traditional doctrine.

00:07:15.300 Today, we have several means in the Internet, let us say,

00:07:20.560 but also together to meet and to make conferences

00:07:25.260 about the true Catholic doctrine and to transmit it to the Jews.

00:07:30.960 In his answer to the dubia cardinals, the new dubia cardinals,

00:07:35.280 who asked specifically about this blessing of homosexual unions

00:07:38.860 because the German bishops voted, 38 to 8, in favor of it,

00:07:43.600 the answer, as you mentioned in the press conference

00:07:47.760 for the release of Credo, it seemed it was an art of confusion,

00:07:52.500 almost an intentional confusion.

00:07:54.720 And he spoke of an openness to allowing it,

00:07:57.980 not marriage, but unions only.

00:08:01.560 So he's talking then not about giving confusion on marriage.

00:08:04.500 And for all of the activists like myself

00:08:06.680 and those who worked all around the world

00:08:08.080 to defend traditional marriage,

00:08:10.000 that sounded very familiar

00:08:11.840 because we heard from our politicians the same thing.

00:08:15.500 Oh no, not marriage, not marriage, only unions,

00:08:18.740 so that we won't have marriage.

00:08:21.080 Why is this approach not possible in the Church

00:08:25.480 to give blessings for homosexual unions?

00:08:28.280 It is, in fact, simply a play with words,

00:08:34.540 deceit, in a cunning way,

00:08:39.680 because we are not little children

00:08:41.960 who do not understand this.

00:08:44.760 This is evident that already the fact

00:08:48.220 that it is a couple, two same-sex couples,

00:08:53.740 a couple, this is already a message,

00:08:58.120 a demonstration of propagation

00:08:59.980 of the sin of homosexuality,

00:09:04.160 the sin against nature.

00:09:06.860 Otherwise, they would not join.

00:09:08.560 They were joined because of same-sex erotic attraction.

00:09:14.340 And this is against nature.

00:09:17.260 It's against reason.

00:09:18.220 And it is a message that we can live such a way

00:09:25.020 and exercise sexuality in this way.

00:09:30.080 And this is contrary to the creation of God,

00:09:34.040 to the will of God.

00:09:35.300 And this is, since it is against the creation of God,

00:09:39.340 against the wisdom of God,

00:09:40.760 against the will of God,

00:09:41.840 it is extremely harming the people himself,

00:09:47.580 this couple,

00:09:49.160 because what is against nature

00:09:50.700 and against the will of God is harmful,

00:09:53.460 deeply harmful.

00:09:55.020 And therefore, such so-called only to bless,

00:09:58.740 and what we will bless concretely,

00:10:01.280 even when they don't say we are a marriage,

00:10:04.120 but we are a couple,

00:10:05.860 attracted by same-sex erotics.

00:10:08.160 And so we will bless the same-sex erotics.

00:10:13.640 We have to name the things by their name.

00:10:18.020 So to bless basically sin,

00:10:21.720 or to bless,

00:10:23.000 some will say,

00:10:24.740 but this is completely naive and unrealistic,

00:10:28.140 or they will live in chastity.

00:10:31.020 It is completely naive.

00:10:33.080 And because we are blessing in this way,

00:10:39.440 the near occasion for sinning for them,

00:10:42.880 when they will,

00:10:44.480 why they are asking the blessing?

00:10:46.540 As a couple,

00:10:47.440 not as a singular person.

00:10:49.520 Of course, a singular person

00:10:51.040 who has this problem with same-sex attraction,

00:10:54.480 can come and ask a blessing

00:10:56.200 to overcome the temptations,

00:10:59.620 to be able,

00:11:01.140 with the grace of God,

00:11:02.460 to live chastely.

00:11:04.860 But as a single person,

00:11:06.420 he will not come with his partner.

00:11:08.260 This will be a contradiction in his way

00:11:10.600 to live against,

00:11:12.360 according to the will of God.

00:11:13.920 So we see all this

00:11:15.100 is a very cunning,

00:11:17.220 deceitful method,

00:11:18.820 and the church can never cooperate

00:11:23.080 in no way

00:11:24.040 in such supporting

00:11:26.640 of so-called same-sex unions or couples.

00:11:31.500 And such blessings

00:11:33.700 are in themselves

00:11:36.880 a real abomination.

00:11:39.760 It's a stunning word to use

00:11:41.060 because we are dealing with

00:11:43.220 times that are

00:11:45.380 so unbelievably confusing.

00:11:47.800 and it's coming from

00:11:51.560 what you might say

00:11:53.020 is the holy place

00:11:54.000 because in the scriptures,

00:11:56.680 you know,

00:11:56.820 you read in Revelation

00:11:58.160 about when you see

00:11:59.500 the abomination of desolation

00:12:00.940 in the holy place,

00:12:02.280 that's when you know

00:12:02.980 the times have come.

00:12:04.920 We are in a very strange place

00:12:06.360 because even at this synod,

00:12:09.100 where it seemed to start

00:12:10.280 with the response to the dubia,

00:12:12.380 but then there was kind of

00:12:13.520 a kind of synod held

00:12:17.040 on the part of Pope Francis himself.

00:12:18.800 He met with Whoopi Goldberg

00:12:20.200 and that went all over the world.

00:12:21.960 Whoopi Goldberg met with him

00:12:23.420 and praised him

00:12:24.740 for his promotion

00:12:25.680 of homosexuality.

00:12:26.940 And interestingly,

00:12:28.460 Vatican News Service

00:12:29.480 is where that was broadcast.

00:12:31.680 In addition,

00:12:32.460 he met with Sister Janine Gramic,

00:12:34.180 who I'm sure you might know

00:12:35.480 was sanctioned

00:12:37.520 under Pope John Paul

00:12:39.420 and Benedict

00:12:39.980 for her work

00:12:41.120 against the faith

00:12:41.960 with regard to homosexuality,

00:12:43.380 as I'm sure would have been

00:12:45.520 Father James Martin,

00:12:46.860 who of course was named

00:12:47.860 to the synod.

00:12:49.200 And then the Pope

00:12:50.220 even met with leaders

00:12:51.640 from these various groups,

00:12:53.760 the so-called Catholic groups

00:12:55.000 they call themselves,

00:12:55.900 but pushing the LGBT agenda

00:12:58.000 inside the church.

00:13:00.180 And all of that went on

00:13:02.000 all this month

00:13:02.860 during the synod.

00:13:04.160 So grave confusion.

00:13:06.580 In such confusions,

00:13:08.300 along with Amoris de Tizia

00:13:09.540 before it

00:13:10.060 and the answer

00:13:11.360 to what Amoris

00:13:12.320 was supposed to mean

00:13:13.380 given in the Act

00:13:14.240 Apostolic Iseris,

00:13:15.340 which was the heretical

00:13:16.120 interpretation,

00:13:16.900 but nonetheless said

00:13:17.800 to be the magisterial,

00:13:19.220 one that's authentic magisterium,

00:13:21.300 and other examples

00:13:22.320 that you could give,

00:13:23.320 which I'm sure you know

00:13:24.560 better than I do,

00:13:27.380 have led people

00:13:28.100 to question

00:13:28.940 the papacy

00:13:30.280 of Pope Francis.

00:13:32.360 What's your approach

00:13:33.280 to such questions?

00:13:34.460 The first, of course,

00:13:35.520 it's a very sad phenomenon,

00:13:37.340 even a tragedy.

00:13:39.540 all these actions

00:13:43.040 of Pope Francis

00:13:43.980 which you mentioned.

00:13:45.980 Now, recently,

00:13:47.200 it is basically

00:13:48.000 he is using the papacy,

00:13:53.040 such a sacred,

00:13:54.220 the most sacred mission

00:13:55.300 in the church of Peter,

00:13:57.780 is using this,

00:13:59.080 in this case,

00:13:59.840 abusing,

00:14:01.160 to be a supporter,

00:14:03.500 basically,

00:14:04.580 of the worldwide LGBT agenda

00:14:08.840 of the gender ideology,

00:14:11.180 even though he affirms

00:14:14.780 that the doctrine

00:14:16.600 of the church

00:14:17.240 will not change,

00:14:20.160 even though he several times

00:14:23.260 said that we must not accept

00:14:25.660 the ideology of the gender,

00:14:28.700 but de facto,

00:14:29.960 he is supporting them

00:14:31.260 with his actions,

00:14:32.720 with his praxis.

00:14:33.740 And this is a typical

00:14:35.480 method

00:14:37.120 of the modernism

00:14:38.740 in the last century already,

00:14:42.160 since the modernism

00:14:43.760 came in the church

00:14:44.720 a hundred years ago

00:14:45.840 or more,

00:14:47.500 and especially after the council,

00:14:49.760 that they say,

00:14:50.420 let us separate

00:14:51.300 from one,

00:14:52.680 the doctrine,

00:14:54.540 and then the praxis

00:14:55.540 could be different.

00:14:57.320 This is contrary

00:14:58.820 to revelation

00:14:59.740 and contrary

00:15:01.080 to logics

00:15:01.960 and common sense.

00:15:04.840 This is a dialectic

00:15:06.520 of the modern

00:15:08.320 unbelieving philosophy

00:15:10.400 of Hegel,

00:15:11.220 let us say,

00:15:13.160 and Marx,

00:15:14.060 which says

00:15:15.340 we have to stress

00:15:17.360 the praxis.

00:15:19.420 The doctrine

00:15:20.220 is not important.

00:15:22.100 And so,

00:15:22.580 in this way,

00:15:23.080 Pope Francis

00:15:23.580 is continuing

00:15:24.840 giving these signs,

00:15:28.580 very confusing,

00:15:30.900 by his actions

00:15:32.580 he is undermining

00:15:33.960 and contradicting

00:15:36.140 his own words

00:15:37.960 and the teaching

00:15:39.580 of the church.

00:15:41.420 And this is very sad.

00:15:43.960 But God permitted this.

00:15:45.660 It is not in our power.

00:15:47.000 We cannot change this.

00:15:48.180 God permitted it.

00:15:49.120 We have to see

00:15:49.820 this phenomenon

00:15:50.620 of this pontificate

00:15:52.580 also in the

00:15:53.700 supernatural vision

00:15:54.860 because we are not

00:15:57.200 a human institution.

00:16:00.740 We are not an NGO.

00:16:01.980 We are not a political party

00:16:03.740 where we could

00:16:05.700 depose the leader.

00:16:08.940 No.

00:16:09.780 The Pope receives

00:16:11.120 his power

00:16:13.120 directly from God,

00:16:14.600 not from the cardinals,

00:16:16.880 not from the church,

00:16:18.140 but directly from God.

00:16:19.300 This is Catholic doctrine.

00:16:21.320 And therefore,

00:16:22.640 no body of the church,

00:16:26.060 no cardinals,

00:16:27.000 no council

00:16:27.540 can declare

00:16:29.040 the Pope

00:16:29.680 deposed

00:16:30.960 because of some crimes,

00:16:33.240 let us say,

00:16:34.140 moral crimes

00:16:35.080 or doctrinal crimes,

00:16:37.520 in this case,

00:16:38.780 supporting heresy.

00:16:41.640 One thing

00:16:42.580 is important

00:16:43.260 to stress.

00:16:44.720 It is a dogma

00:16:45.600 of faith

00:16:46.240 which

00:16:47.520 which every Catholic

00:16:48.800 must believe

00:16:49.820 by divine faith

00:16:51.400 that

00:16:52.460 the Pope

00:16:54.100 is unable

00:16:55.140 to do an error

00:16:57.780 in doctrine

00:16:58.920 when he is

00:17:00.200 proclaiming

00:17:00.940 or stating,

00:17:02.020 making a statement,

00:17:03.360 ex cathedra

00:17:04.200 it is called.

00:17:05.620 Ex cathedra

00:17:06.220 means

00:17:06.620 a definitive

00:17:08.380 teaching

00:17:09.300 which he must

00:17:10.420 announce as such,

00:17:11.620 must be announced,

00:17:12.500 and imposing it

00:17:15.640 obligatory

00:17:16.780 for the entire church.

00:17:19.300 These are the conditions.

00:17:20.840 If these conditions

00:17:21.900 not are given,

00:17:24.240 the Pope

00:17:24.720 has not

00:17:25.660 the divine assistance

00:17:27.900 of infallibility

00:17:30.660 or not committing error.

00:17:32.560 This is basic

00:17:33.700 Catholic teaching

00:17:34.720 we have to,

00:17:35.540 of old catechisms,

00:17:36.880 we have to remind this.

00:17:38.220 People forget this.

00:17:40.000 And we had

00:17:40.540 in the last

00:17:41.160 decades

00:17:41.740 or even centuries

00:17:42.840 an implicit

00:17:43.820 absolute

00:17:45.280 infallibilization

00:17:46.460 of the Pope.

00:17:47.620 It means

00:17:48.260 that every word,

00:17:49.480 every statement

00:17:50.180 is per se

00:17:51.360 infallible.

00:17:52.740 De facto

00:17:53.260 the people

00:17:53.900 believe this

00:17:54.600 and still now

00:17:55.420 this is not

00:17:56.240 Catholic simply.

00:17:57.680 We have to return

00:17:58.560 to very sober

00:17:59.600 theological thinking

00:18:01.560 and so

00:18:02.700 by logic

00:18:03.320 of the dogma

00:18:04.660 all words

00:18:07.160 and statements

00:18:08.160 documents

00:18:09.440 which the Pope

00:18:11.600 is not presenting

00:18:12.920 as infallible teaching

00:18:14.920 are theoretically

00:18:17.680 in say

00:18:18.560 capable

00:18:19.260 of errors.

00:18:20.620 It is a logical

00:18:21.440 consequence.

00:18:22.840 Thanks be to God

00:18:23.840 in 2,000 years

00:18:25.640 even

00:18:26.160 almost

00:18:27.420 in the majority

00:18:28.360 of cases

00:18:29.320 overwhelming

00:18:30.160 the Divine Providence

00:18:32.020 assisted the Popes

00:18:33.220 that even

00:18:34.020 in their ordinary

00:18:35.120 or daily

00:18:36.180 magisterium

00:18:37.640 which was not

00:18:39.600 infallible

00:18:40.440 formally

00:18:41.160 they were preserved

00:18:42.680 from errors

00:18:44.880 but this

00:18:46.040 preservation

00:18:46.680 of errors

00:18:47.460 outside

00:18:48.640 ex cathedra

00:18:49.620 definitions

00:18:50.300 depends

00:18:51.680 on the

00:18:52.620 collaboration

00:18:53.880 with Divine Grace

00:18:55.260 of the

00:18:55.660 of the singular Pope.

00:18:58.360 It depends

00:18:58.860 on him

00:18:59.280 how much

00:18:59.920 he is prayerful

00:19:00.940 how much

00:19:01.400 he is obedient

00:19:02.200 personally

00:19:03.200 to the tradition

00:19:05.180 to his prayer

00:19:06.220 and so on

00:19:06.740 how much

00:19:07.180 he is consulting

00:19:08.000 good

00:19:09.240 counsels

00:19:10.500 and so on

00:19:11.060 on this

00:19:12.000 depends also

00:19:12.880 his

00:19:13.300 being free

00:19:15.240 of errors

00:19:15.800 even in his

00:19:16.760 ordinary magisterium.

00:19:19.240 So you see

00:19:19.880 this is

00:19:20.420 basic Catholic

00:19:21.580 teaching

00:19:22.040 therefore

00:19:22.580 the Pope

00:19:23.240 can commit

00:19:24.060 errors

00:19:24.540 and heresies

00:19:25.160 outside

00:19:25.820 the ex cathedra

00:19:26.640 teaching.

00:19:27.140 This was

00:19:27.520 demonstrated

00:19:28.160 in history

00:19:28.880 already

00:19:29.280 in the

00:19:30.320 very rare

00:19:31.180 cases

00:19:31.740 the first

00:19:32.980 most known

00:19:33.880 case

00:19:34.240 was

00:19:34.580 Pope

00:19:35.020 Honorius I

00:19:35.920 who in

00:19:37.280 his

00:19:37.520 ordinary

00:19:38.100 documents

00:19:39.720 in his

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00:22:10.720 and

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00:26:11.160 Pope

00:26:11.400 Francis

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00:26:31.920 with

00:26:32.380 vulgar

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00:26:33.600 Pope

00:26:33.880 Francis

00:26:34.280 it's

00:26:34.800 nothing

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00:26:36.140 human

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00:26:41.280 to

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00:26:42.800 admonish

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00:26:45.880 try to

00:26:46.300 do

00:26:46.480 this

00:26:46.720 but

00:26:46.960 respectfully

00:26:47.600 we

00:26:48.140 cannot

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00:26:48.900 ourselves

00:26:49.560 with vulgar

00:26:50.180 language

00:26:50.640 and with

00:26:51.080 anger

00:26:51.440 we have

00:26:52.760 to

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00:26:54.920 with

00:26:55.600 dignity

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00:26:58.820 of course

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00:27:00.960 as

00:27:01.620 St. Paul

00:27:02.100 gave us

00:27:03.220 the

00:27:03.540 axiom

00:27:05.100 I would

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00:27:07.820 facientes

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00:27:09.600 caritate

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00:27:11.440 the

00:27:11.660 truth

00:27:12.040 do

00:27:12.360 but

00:27:13.140 in

00:27:13.340 charity

00:27:13.820 absolutely

00:27:15.960 beautiful

00:27:16.520 I think

00:27:17.380 it's

00:27:17.540 particularly

00:27:17.920 beautiful

00:27:18.340 what you

00:27:18.700 said

00:27:18.980 during

00:27:19.580 the

00:27:19.740 press

00:27:19.920 conference

00:27:20.320 that

00:27:21.640 you do

00:27:22.780 it out

00:27:23.020 of love

00:27:23.480 and you

00:27:24.680 sort of

00:27:25.000 never

00:27:25.260 have

00:27:25.620 loved

00:27:26.180 or prayed

00:27:26.580 for

00:27:26.780 someone

00:27:27.660 so much

00:27:28.160 in your

00:27:28.380 life

00:27:28.700 as Pope

00:27:29.060 Francis

00:27:29.400 yes

00:27:29.760 exactly

00:27:30.400 I

00:27:31.320 am now

00:27:31.780 saying

00:27:32.140 this

00:27:32.400 never

00:27:32.940 in my

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00:27:33.660 I prayed

00:27:34.180 so much

00:27:35.020 for no

00:27:35.600 one

00:27:35.940 and asked

00:27:37.520 prayers

00:27:38.240 and even

00:27:39.640 offering

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00:27:41.080 as for

00:27:42.180 Pope Francis

00:27:42.760 and this

00:27:43.380 is true

00:27:43.980 love

00:27:44.320 this is true

00:27:45.020 friendship

00:27:45.480 this is true

00:27:46.520 fraternity

00:27:47.240 beautiful

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The John-Henry Westen Show - November 10, 2023

Bishop Schneider： Blessing of same-sex unions is 'an abomination'

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