The John-Henry Westen Show - BOMBS, DEATH THREATS & Pedophiles： What Canada’s Bill C-9 Will Do to Christians

00:00:00.000 A man who was convicted for abusing children, he sent me messages, letters where he threatened

00:00:07.100 my children. He was angry because I tried to make child sex material illegal.

00:00:16.160 Hello, my friends. Welcome to the John Henner Weston Show. I think all of us by now have heard

00:00:21.720 of this crazy legislation in Canada called C9. It's the legislation that basically is going to

00:00:28.880 criminalize reading out parts of the Bible publicly because it's going to withdraw from

00:00:33.880 the Hate Crimes Act the protection for religious expression.

00:00:39.060 And so that is what is kept since 2004. 0.89

00:00:41.400 We passed the Hate Crime Act to include LGBT to basically you had protections because it

00:00:49.960 was part of your faith.

00:00:51.040 You didn't do so in a hateful way.

00:00:53.160 You did so to express your faith, et cetera.

00:00:55.320 Well, that all stands to change right now as Canada's already passed. C9 is waiting to go

00:01:02.240 through the Senate and be signed finally into law by the prime minister who is raring to do it.

00:01:07.860 And so I thought I would bring to someone who has lived that reality for more than two decades.

00:01:13.880 Finnish member of parliament, Peve Rosinen, has been in that same struggle now for over 20 years.

00:01:21.700 That 20-year struggle came to a head this past last March when she was indeed found guilty of hate crime after battling that in the courts, as I said, for over 20 years.

00:01:34.860 She started this journey of hers, started in 2004 when she published a pamphlet that had to do with the teaching of Jesus Christ on the issue of homosexuality. 0.64

00:01:48.420 Peavy, welcome to the program.

00:01:49.540 Thank you so much.

00:01:50.520 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:01:57.940 First of all, Mrs. Rosanen, I want to thank you because you have been such an example of standing for the truth of Christ, of his holy scriptures for so many years, despite the intense and unbelievable pressure coming from not only your government, your courts, but also even from some of the public in Finland where you've experienced all sorts of protests.

00:02:25.560 So thank you on behalf of those who stand for life, who stand for family, stand for our Lord Jesus Christ and his truth.

00:02:33.540 Thank you.

00:02:34.100 Thank you.

00:02:34.880 Let me begin asking you this.

00:02:37.160 You also are a medical doctor.

00:02:38.700 So why don't you give us to start with some of your background, both your family background in the faith, as well as your background as a politician.

00:02:46.860 Okay, my background, it starts from the childhood that I spent in a small village near the eastern border of Finland, very near the Soviet Union border.

00:03:01.360 And my father was working in prison and we were living in a village around the prison.

00:03:08.540 And my family, my parents, they were very ordinary Lutheran people who were not so active church goers.

00:03:18.540 But what was crucial in my life was that there was a Sunday school where all the children of the village attended.

00:03:27.540 And very strong believers, two men were teaching in that Sunday school.

00:03:35.540 And I remember as a very small girl about five years or six years when I understood in my heart that I'm also a sinner as the prisoners who were there also were.

00:03:53.540 and i thought that someday i would even be in jail as well because and i remember i had an enormous

00:04:04.020 joy when i was praying that jesus would forgive my sins and come to my life and lead my life and

00:04:13.940 he has been faithful during these decades so my belief in in jesus started very early in in my life

00:04:23.540 Of course, there have been many, many different kinds of events, but God has been faithful to me during the decades.

00:04:34.880 You entered med school. This is one of the things that's rarely known about you because people know you as this activist, Christian MP, activist, but your background also is in medicine.

00:04:45.860 Yes, I studied medicine and I also, I worked as a medical doctor for 10 years before my career in politics.

00:04:57.240 And from quite early childhood, I had a dream to become a doctor and I loved to work, to work with patients and try to help them and so on.

00:05:11.760 But at the same time, I felt a very strong calling to try to influence and impact on my society because I could see as working as a medical doctor how much there are different kinds of problems in our society and how the basis of the society, the values,

00:05:38.760 how they affect to families and to individuals.

00:05:43.900 And I would say that especially the issues about the value of life as a Christian doctor

00:05:50.260 were those issues that draw me to politics, 0.95

00:05:55.160 because my priority was to defend the life of also the most weak people,

00:06:06.720 for example, unborn children and elderly people. And I understood that it is the parliament where

00:06:18.540 you can try to effect the development of the society and try to fight for the value of life.

00:06:27.040 Beautiful. Now, did your work as a medical doctor also influence your decision or your

00:06:34.520 partaking in this pamphlet, this pamphlet in 2004 that created all of this consternation.

00:06:40.800 Tell us about the pamphlet, but also if you, as a doctor, that had any influence on you that way.

00:06:47.680 Yes, absolutely. It had an influence. The pamphlet that I wrote, in fact, already 2003,

00:06:54.900 It was published in 2004. It was a small Lutheran church that asked me to write about very topical issues about homosexuality and marriage and gender, which were big changes in our society.

00:07:17.860 because just at that time in the beginning of the 20s we had a debate about the partnership law

00:07:28.020 or between same-sex couples and also about the same-sex marriages and the church wanted to have

00:07:39.540 some kind of educational material to congregations so that I would write as a member of parliament,

00:07:49.460 as a Christian, as a mother of five children and also as a medical doctor about this issue.

00:07:57.460 And of course, in all these roles I wrote, it was this small booklet, pamphlet, only 23 pages, and the title is Male and Female, He Created Them, and Homosexual Relationships Challenge the Christian View of Man.

00:08:21.860 so this this was this was the beginning of of this my legal case now i remember being on a

00:08:31.980 committee with in fact around the same time on a committee of the uh called forth by the bishops

00:08:39.640 of the province of ontario and canada when we were passing uh or going to pass our same-sex marriage

00:08:46.060 law. They wanted to have a discussion between media leaders, medical professionals, politicians,

00:08:54.720 as well as lawyers, legal people around the same issues. And I was, just because of where I was

00:09:02.880 sitting, I was one of the first to speak. And I said, look, this issue has really nothing to do

00:09:09.720 with marriage. It has all to do with getting societal approval for homosexual sexual acts, 0.96

00:09:17.260 homosexual relationships, if you will. And that's why they're pushing this because I happen to be 0.85

00:09:21.500 in the chat rooms of homosexual activists because we wanted to get the inside information. 0.75

00:09:27.580 And they didn't want to get married. They didn't want to get actually married. They had very little 0.52

00:09:31.580 time for exclusive relationship anyway. But they definitely wanted societal approval for their

00:09:38.940 activities, if you will. And I urged, I told the bishops who to the, you know, this was our message

00:09:47.280 to the bishops. I told them, this has very little to do with marriage. It has to do with getting a

00:09:52.300 societal stamp of approval on this behavior. So the way to confront it will be to use the evidence

00:09:58.600 that you have from psychology, from medicine, and from the spiritual realities that this behavior

00:10:05.760 is very harmful. And the doctor who was sitting next to me totally concurred because she said in

00:10:12.200 her practice, she had to deal with the results of the harm to the body that homosexual sexual 0.97

00:10:21.500 activity causes. And she described it not in grave detail, but in enough to get people to 0.88

00:10:26.600 understand, oh my gosh, there's actual real physical harm. And so the idea was to tell the

00:10:33.220 bishops, hey, you have an opportunity here to say, we love you, men and women afflicted with

00:10:40.840 homosexual inclinations, desires, whatever. We love you enough to tell you this is harmful. 0.68

00:10:46.580 It's harmful for your body. It's harmful for your mind. His psychology will tell you.

00:10:50.200 But from our perspective as the bishops, we know it's harmful for your soul. We love you enough

00:10:55.360 to tell you it's harmful for your soul and for your body, even though the world is going to call

00:11:01.720 us haters and bigots for saying this. They never did it, unfortunately. They only talked about

00:11:07.400 marriage, the greatness, the glory of regular heterosexual marriage. They avoided the topic

00:11:12.540 of homosexuality almost completely. And of course, they not only did they lose the fight,

00:11:18.360 but there was hardly any consideration because they never spoke to the actual issue.

00:11:21.900 But love to hear your experiences at the time. I agree with you. And

00:11:26.340 And the main point in this my booklet is that the Bible is very clear when we think about homosexuality.

00:11:40.560 God has created all people as his own image, and we have the same value, whether we are homosexuals or heterosexuals, we have the same value as the image of God.

00:11:57.560 But we are also sinners, and it is God who says what is sin and what is not. 0.72

00:12:04.560 For example, in the book of Romans, in its first chapter, Apostle Paul tells very clearly that the same-sex relationships, they are sinful and they are shameful. 0.99

00:12:16.220 And they are also harmful for the people, especially to their soul, but also to their mind and to their body. 0.99

00:12:25.220 And that was the message in this booklet 20 years ago. I was not yet charged for or blamed for this, but this criminal case, my legal case started about seven years ago when I published a Twitter update where I took the photo from the Bible, from the book of Romans.

00:12:53.440 and its first chapter where Apostle Paul teaches about these issues.

00:12:58.440 And I targeted my criticism to the leadership of the Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Church

00:13:05.440 because the bishops of the Church decided in public to support the Pride event.

00:13:14.440 And it was a shock to me and I thought that it undermines people's trust on the Bible

00:13:20.440 And that's why it is so dangerous also for the LGBT people, because also for them it is the most important issue that they can find the truth and they can find also the gospel, the message of gospel and forgiveness and trust in the Bible.

00:13:43.120 And then the process started, someone made a criminal complaint about my Twitter update, Bible tweet, and when it came into public that the police started to investigate the case,

00:14:02.440 Then someone found this old pamphlet over 20 years ago and also made a criminal complaint about this.

00:14:14.960 And the prosecutor general ordered the police to continue the investigations, even though the police said that they didn't find any crime in this pamphlet.

00:14:26.320 But this process has been long. I have been in Helsinki District Court. I was acquitted both for the Bible feed and for the pamphlet case.

00:14:42.420 But the prosecutor appealed to the Court of Appeal. 0.99

00:14:48.740 Again, I won there.

00:14:50.960 I got acquittals from both of these cases.

00:14:54.440 But then the prosecutor appealed to Supreme Court, which is the highest court level in Finland. 0.56

00:15:03.040 And I was acquitted for the Bible tweet.

00:15:06.940 So it is legal in Finland to cite the Bible.

00:15:13.000 But I was convicted for this pamphlet.

00:15:19.080 And the core point in the conviction of the Supreme Court

00:15:26.280 is that they claim that in this pamphlet 0.67

00:15:31.780 that I would regard homosexuals inferior to other people.

00:15:39.780 Even though that I say very clearly in this pamphlet, in fact, three times that we all are equal in front of God. 0.93

00:15:48.780 But they claim that if you say that homosexuality is a deviation from normal sexuality, then you are guilty.

00:16:00.780 You should say that it is a normal variation in sexuality, not deviation.

00:16:09.480 And this is the core point.

00:16:11.180 And I also said in this pamphlet that homosexuality is a psychosexual developmental disorientation.

00:16:21.780 And the Supreme Court decided that it is hate speech, if you say so.

00:16:33.780 Even though when I studied medicine, it was very clear that this was the description.

00:16:43.780 And when I wrote about it, I tried to understand these people.

00:16:47.780 And in court, the main point of the prosecutor was that if you speak about sin in the context of homosexual relationships, it is hate speech against those people.

00:17:03.780 So I think that what Bible teaches, it is love speech.

00:17:08.600 It is from God's love that he wants to show and direct also to those people who have these

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00:17:53.420 Let's take this in two parts,

00:17:55.440 because I think there's two things happening here that are most stunning,

00:17:59.600 and I think the large majority of our viewers are Catholics,

00:18:02.500 And we're undergoing something very similar to what you're describing in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Finland, because at this time, many bishops in America, but especially in Europe, including getting some weird messages from Rome as well, are going down that same path of a kind of getting in line with the society the way it is.

00:18:30.820 it is anti-scriptural, but it seems they don't care. They want to look to be loving and, you

00:18:38.420 know, and accepting and so on. And yet the fact that it goes against the Holy Bible, against the

00:18:44.760 words of God himself, they don't seem to care. And in fact, in some ways, as in your case,

00:18:54.380 That is what is opening up the legal prosecution and even the condemnation of society upon the Christians. 0.74

00:19:05.080 Because when your own leadership, when your own bishops are the ones who are refusing to quote the Holy Bible, are not supporting the prophets of our day, who are actually speaking the truth, that's when society says, aha, we can go after them now. 0.51

00:19:24.120 So I see that very clearly. You must have seen now the Pope Francis meeting with Father James Martin, who's the biggest promoter in the Catholic Church of the LGBT agenda. Pope Leo just met with him as well. As an outsider, as someone in the Lutheran Church looking at the Catholic Church, have you seen, uh-oh, does that alarm you at all? Or what are your thoughts there?

00:19:54.120 I think that the situation in our church is much more worse because in our church there are many pastors who marry same-sex couples and our bishops would like to change also the laws in our church that they could marry these couples.

00:20:21.020 and they do not punish those pastors who very openly marry same-sex couples.

00:20:30.620 For me, it is quite difficult to estimate the development in Catholic Church

00:20:39.020 because in Finland we have quite a small Catholic Church

00:20:42.760 and I know the bishop of the Finnish Catholic Church

00:20:47.720 And he has supported me.

00:20:54.500 And I think that in Finland, those Catholics that I know, they are in very much the same line as me.

00:21:03.900 For example, we were together campaigning for the value against abortion and against euthanasia and so on.

00:21:15.200 So, but it is a very small community in Finland, but I have to say that from my perspective, I appreciate them, but I'm very disappointed with the leadership of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Finland.

00:21:34.240 But it is very sorry to hear that there are also similar tendencies in the big Catholic church in other countries.

00:21:45.980 But perhaps there are differences between different bishops.

00:21:51.260 There are very big differences.

00:21:53.960 But like you were just describing, those who promote homosexuality, promote, you know, they're doing same-sex couple blessings already officially.

00:22:04.240 But those who promote those things are not punished, are not, you know, corrected. And so it is leading many of the faithful astray, which is really sad. Now let's turn to politics, because you also then experience this sort of persecution via the police, but they're being ordered to do it by the prosecutor, as you said.

00:22:26.720 But this also has an effect on the population, if you will. You've had demonstrations against you. Tell us about that.

00:22:35.940 I have been over 30 years in Parliament, and I have been in many very public debates about this issue.

00:22:45.940 For example, in 2010, we had a big TV show in our national TV.

00:22:54.120 In fact, I said the same things. 1.00

00:22:58.200 I said that the marriage is only between one man and one woman and it is sinful to have other kinds

00:23:07.000 of sexual relationships and after that there became demonstrations against me and also

00:23:17.160 people resigned to Evangelical Lutheran Church even though that I myself criticized the leadership

00:23:25.640 of the church. And then after that, for example, in 2012, when I was a minister of interior,

00:23:36.560 I was for four years as a minister, and they tried to get me off my office because I said

00:23:47.560 in one speech that you should rather obey god than man when i spoke about for example abortion

00:23:56.040 issues and and so on and and they tried to uh show they appealed um that i i should have resigned

00:24:07.560 from to be a minister of interior, that I promote, urge people to break the law,

00:24:17.880 even though that I didn't say that. I just said that in the Bible, it is said that you should

00:24:24.680 rather obey God than man when, for example, in these contradictory issues.

00:24:31.240 So there have been that kind of happenings, but of course there is also a lot of support.

00:24:44.240 We have a lot of Christians who have supported me and also in this legal case, legal process,

00:24:54.240 and a lot of people who have told that they pray.

00:25:00.240 And because this has been so public in Finland, and I have been a lot in the Finnish media,

00:25:09.240 I have been also very encouraged because I have got messages,

00:25:15.240 especially from young people who have told that when they have followed this case

00:25:20.240 followed my interviews when I have had also possibility to tell about Jesus and the forgiveness of sins

00:25:29.560 and that Jesus has died for our sins on the cross.

00:25:33.700 So they have told that they have found Jesus.

00:25:38.140 They have prayed after these interviews and found Jesus to their life.

00:25:42.220 But also some people who have LGBT background, people who have intended, for example, young men who have intended to marry a man.

00:25:53.520 But now they have found repentance and forgiveness of their sins and Jesus.

00:26:00.460 So it has been so encouraging.

00:26:02.280 I have had the experience that it has not been in vain to fight for these freedoms.

00:26:10.860 It has not been in vain to be in this process and also to bring up these biblical teachings and especially the message of gospel.

00:26:23.380 Yeah. Now, that works as, let's say, a politician, as a medical doctor even, though it's even more challenging.

00:26:32.040 But you're also a mother, a mother of five. You've got a family.

00:26:35.260 Did you ever consider, oh, gee, I'm getting public protests.

00:26:39.500 I might be threatening my family in some way.

00:26:42.360 Did that ever cause you to pause?

00:26:45.260 And how did your family deal with this situation?

00:26:48.500 Yes, I'm a mother of five.

00:26:50.480 They are all, of course, grown up now.

00:26:54.500 And by the way, my grandmother of 12 very lovely grandchildren.

00:27:00.840 And there are three more on their way.

00:27:05.260 coming so it has been such a blessing in my life and I feel so privileged that all my family my

00:27:16.300 children and my husband especially and and my grandchildren and and the sons of law

00:27:25.200 they have all supported me they are Christians by heart and they pray for me and send me Bible

00:27:34.020 verses to to encourage and so on so but uh yes i i remember when when uh when our children were

00:27:46.340 still at home and and i was i was in public there were there were also some attacks against

00:27:56.580 our home and some threatenings of my children. And of course, it was the most frightening

00:28:07.060 side of this, but God protected us. And I have discussed many times with my children,

00:28:18.340 and they feel that they had a safe childhood.

00:28:21.900 so can you describe for us one of those attacks on your home there was some little bomb in our

00:28:31.560 mailing box for example it was blown and and then there there came people who threw eggs to our

00:28:41.520 draw and then there were also some people who tried to enter our home

00:28:48.180 But the worst thing was when there was a pedophile, a man who was convicted for abusing children.

00:29:00.180 And he tried to threaten my children, but the police could get him and he was then in jail.

00:29:12.180 He didn't come to physical contact with my children, never, and they never saw him.

00:29:19.180 But he sent me messages, letters where he threatened my children and told that he knows how he could harm my children.

00:29:31.180 And I know that after that he harmed other children.

00:29:36.180 so he was angry because i tried to make child sex material illegal this is exactly where

00:29:46.880 you know christians have to stand it's when those situations come up which threaten you personally

00:29:53.640 your safety your children's safety your family safety i mean that's where honestly i think

00:30:00.500 so much the christian community is grateful for your example for your family's example because i

00:30:05.660 know that it's a challenge, a harm to them as well. So to your family as well, we're very grateful

00:30:16.120 for your example. It's been, for so many of us who are facing similar things, it's been for us

00:30:23.120 a beautiful example of courage, of the willingness to stand for Christ and his truth, despite any of

00:30:28.280 the stuff that comes our way. As you're watching this play out, because Finland was one of the

00:30:34.840 early countries doing this. Canada was too, but we're coming to more of the same idea now of

00:30:41.920 criminalizing even the scriptures. As you're watching this play out in the rest of the world,

00:30:48.520 in Canada now and elsewhere, what are your thoughts and what would be your message to

00:30:55.400 the Christian populations, the Catholic populations in the other countries?

00:30:59.780 Yes, I have two messages. First, to politicians, you should be very careful when there are proposals of so-called hate crime laws.

00:31:15.500 Because in Finland we have the law about agitating against minorities, and that is the law that I was convicted breaking against it.

00:31:30.640 And the problem is that these laws, they are vague. They are so unpredictable.

00:31:37.020 They can be used against almost anyone. It depends on who are in power.

00:31:42.640 And now, when we have, I would say, in the office of our prosecutor, and in many, for example, our mainstream media, the LGBT advocates, they are very powerful.

00:31:59.000 And so it is possible then that these hate speech laws, they can be used now against Christians, against those very classical biblical views.

00:32:15.180 And that's why I think that also in Finland we should change the law.

00:32:20.780 It is not a good law because it is so difficult for people to understand that what is the line between illegal and legal speech.

00:32:32.440 For example, in my case, there have been altogether nine judges who didn't find any crime from this booklet.

00:32:43.040 But then there were three judges who found. In the Supreme Court, it was a very narrow voting. Two judges voted in favor of me, but three convicted me.

00:33:00.160 And in these lower courts, they unanimously acquitted me.

00:33:08.420 So this is the problem, and that's why I want to warn about these kind of laws.

00:33:14.160 They are used against ordinary Christian beliefs.

00:33:19.220 But then I would like, the other message is that I want to encourage, especially Christians, that now is the time to speak.

00:33:33.660 It is not the time to be silent or self-censorship, because the more we are silent about these contradictory issues of today, the narrower becomes the space for these freedoms.

00:33:49.220 So it is not a good idea to try to be silent and try to be nice so that you do not speak about these issues that someone may find insulting.

00:34:05.220 Of course, I have not intended to insult anyone, but when we speak about freedom of speech and freedom of faith,

00:34:15.840 and we do not need the freedom of speech when we all agree about all issues, we need it when we disagree.

00:34:25.780 And when someone might feel insulted, I have felt many times to be insulted for my Christian views,

00:34:35.780 but still I think that those people have their right to speak and also to criticize me and my views.

00:34:45.780 So my message, especially to Christians, is that you should boldly preach and speak about these biblical teachings and about Jesus.

00:35:01.780 Not to be silent.

00:35:04.200 Peivi Razanen, thank you so much for joining us.

00:35:07.200 Thank you to your family for supporting you, standing behind you unwaveringly, and for your courage, for your example to all of us.

00:35:14.280 God bless you.

00:35:15.280 Thank you.

00:35:16.280 God bless you.

00:35:17.280 And God bless all of you, and we'll see you next time.

The John-Henry Westen Show - April 24, 2026

BOMBS, DEATH THREATS & Pedophiles： What Canada’s Bill C-9 Will Do to Christians

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