The John-Henry Westen Show - Brain Death and ORGAN HARVESTING： What You NEED to Know

00:00:00.000 So my golden objective is to educate the people about the Determination of Death Act,

00:00:06.800 which is a bad law, which is based on bad medicine, which is contrary to the truth.

00:00:19.380 The problem of today's culture is that euthanasia is rampant. We never thought we'd get there,

00:00:25.960 but it is. One of the ways we got there, believe it or not, is this whole concept of brain death.

00:00:33.280 Many paramedics, my daughter for one, would talk about what is a motorcycle accident or a motorcycle

00:00:39.680 rider. They're a potential organ donor. It's like a joke that is said. But the whole issue of brain

00:00:46.600 death is very interesting because it's actually not real death. If that startles you, wait till you

00:00:54.340 hear from our next guest. He's a quite well-known neonatologist who has devoted now most of his

00:01:00.380 life to fighting brain death, the false definition of death that has led to an industry of organ

00:01:08.440 donation around the world. You're going to want to stay tuned to this episode of the John Henry

00:01:12.400 Weston Show with Dr. Paul Byrne.

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00:02:25.660 Now let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

00:02:35.460 and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. So Dr. Byrne, you went from a career, a beautiful career, of working with

00:02:45.820 the tiniest babies who are delivered early, and you've saved so many lives that way, and then got into this

00:02:53.680 other area, which has sort of consumed so much of your life. How did that happen? Give us some of that

00:02:58.480 story. Well, first of all, to start with the part of it about neonatology, I started a special care

00:03:04.660 nursery at Glennon Children's Hospital in St. Louis in 1963, when in fact, every baby less than 1500 grams,

00:03:14.020 that's three pounds and four ounces, that had trouble with breathing, and many babies larger than that

00:03:20.200 had trouble with breathing, died. It was 100% mortality. In fact, the matter is, at that particular

00:03:26.160 time, President Kennedy's baby, who was about five pounds, died. So there was no treatment. So we

00:03:32.420 started in 63. I would say we really did not start to make advance until about 1970. Then what happened

00:03:39.860 in my own life, you know, we were at Cardinal Lantern Hospital. We were instrumental in developing

00:03:46.600 ways to help babies breathe. We identified the need for magnesium and zinc and copper and nutrition,

00:03:53.980 that kind of thing. And then a patient by the name of Joseph in 1975 was born prematurely and on a

00:04:00.720 ventilator. And Joseph, well, wouldn't move, wouldn't respond. And one of the doctors on our team said,

00:04:07.740 let's do a brainwave test. So we did the brainwave test, and it was interpreted as consistent with cerebral

00:04:14.660 death. And so I saw death on the report, and I looked at Joseph, and I said, well, he's not dead.

00:04:21.880 I called the neurologist. He said, well, repeat it, which we did in 48 hours, and it was unchanged.

00:04:27.500 So I said, what do we do now? And he said, well, in some places, they turn off ventilators. I said,

00:04:32.880 well, I don't do that. I said, I treat patients. Some live, some die, but I just treat them. So I

00:04:38.080 continued to treat Joseph. He did get off the ventilator. He didn't go to school. He got excellent

00:04:43.580 grades in school. Eventually, he buried his three children. Because of Joseph, and I have to tell

00:04:50.760 you, I think it took me several months till about that time Joseph was getting to be five or six

00:04:57.160 months old. He continued to live, and I said, I better investigate this. So I started my investigation

00:05:04.020 then, and what became clear is that brain death is not based on any kind of science. The science,

00:05:11.780 as you know, is really discovering, for the most part, what God has done. But the scientists

00:05:17.340 make some observation or postulation, and then does more testing to verify it goes from there.

00:05:24.020 Well, the first, to put it in perspective, what occurred was, to lead up to the lack of science,

00:05:30.260 what occurred was they did a heart transplant in South Africa in December the 1st, 1967,

00:05:37.640 and Christian Bernard, and that became commonly known. But what has not become common knowledge

00:05:43.800 is three days later, they did a heart transplant in Brooklyn, New York. They cut the beating heart

00:05:49.320 out of a three-day-old baby who had a problem with the brain and transplanted it into an 18-day-old

00:05:55.260 baby who had a problem with the heart. The end of their procedures, both babies were dead. It was

00:06:00.780 illegal. It was immemorial. And so to resolve this, they set up a committee at Harvard. In about

00:06:07.700 six months, the Harvard committee reported it, and their title of the report is A Definition of

00:06:14.140 Irreversible Coma. Now, you can't be dead and in coma, no matter how you modify it. And so looking at

00:06:20.580 that, a new way of declaring somebody dead, looking at that, how did they get there? Well,

00:06:26.700 the way we make advances in medicine, sometimes they begin in the laboratory. Sometimes they begin

00:06:33.660 with experimentation on dogs or cats or rats. Brain death was invented without any kind of

00:06:40.120 laboratory data, no basic science. In fact, to the matter, there was no patient data. It has only one

00:06:47.760 reference to the article, and that reference was to Popeius XII. They quoted him out of context,

00:06:54.140 but they omitted the quote from Popeius XII, which is very significant. Popeius XII said,

00:07:01.020 we are to presume that human life continues as long as vital functions are present, even when

00:07:06.720 supported by artificial means. It goes from there to the next article known as the Minnesota Criteria,

00:07:13.520 studied only nine patients, did brain-wave testing on only nine patients. Two of the nine still had

00:07:19.920 evidence of brain waves. And fact of the matter is, if you use the current gain that's required,

00:07:26.000 four of the patients would have had brain-wave activity. But their conclusion was that it's no

00:07:32.000 longer required to do EEG or brain-wave testing, and it was stricken from that. The largest study in the

00:07:38.000 literature, known as the collaborative study, 503 patients. Well, what happened to those 503?

00:07:45.520 44 of them did not die. And then of those who did die, they were just focusing on the brain,

00:07:52.660 10% had no pathology in the brain. And it goes from there. It is no science behind brain death. But

00:08:00.580 more importantly, John Henry, is while we focus on these issues, the most important issues have to do

00:08:09.580 with the difference between life and death. And we may know what life is. You're a living person,

00:08:17.220 I'm a living person. We can look at another person and know that that life is there. Well, that life

00:08:23.840 begins with creation. And the love that God has for us, and in the love between husband and wife,

00:08:30.660 there is a time when the person does not exist, and now the person exists. That's creation. And we can

00:08:38.000 know that that life has begun at conception. And then that life is a continuum until death. And death

00:08:46.080 is the event that separates life from death. So we know what life is. We know that death is something

00:08:53.620 different. And so the focus ought to be on not declaring someone dead until they are in fact dead.

00:09:01.820 And so what happens when the life separates from the body, we can focus on the cell, the basic unit of

00:09:11.680 biology is cell, but it helps us to think that the life of the person is in the whole person. Yes,

00:09:18.200 it's in every cell too. But what happens is, and it happens in all living cells, what happens when the

00:09:25.740 life leaves, then the enzymes are activated and they're within the cell itself to destruct autolysis.

00:09:35.400 Auto meaning self, lysis meaning disruption of the membrane. So autolysis. So it begins when the life

00:09:45.200 ends. We know that. And so far as the determination of death is concerned, cells, tissues are important.

00:09:53.560 But what we should be doing is not declaring somebody dead until they are dead. What there is during life,

00:10:00.400 there is a system of respiration, a system of circulation, and there is a nervous system to focus

00:10:07.820 on the brain. So you see, during life, there's an interdependence of circulation, respiration, and the

00:10:15.640 activities of the brain. So it's an interdependent functioning that maintains the physical unity,

00:10:23.440 of the body, but it's only there because of the unity of the body and the soul. So at death, the soul

00:10:29.360 separates, and what we're left with on Earth are the remains. And that remains is manifest as

00:10:37.040 destruction, disintegration. The first part is autolysis. As it continues on, there's further

00:10:43.520 disintegration, decomposition, eventually decay. If we want to wait until the muscles show that

00:10:51.520 destruction, we can wait until there is destruction in the muscles, and that's called rigor mortis,

00:10:58.380 which occurs about three hours after there's no circulation. Now, we don't have to wait that long

00:11:04.120 to call somebody dead, but we certainly should not be calling somebody dead who has circulation,

00:11:10.300 respiration, normal color, digest food, get fever if they get sick, put out urine. And fact of the

00:11:17.860 matter is, what I've just described is what brain death is a life. And fact of the matter is, when they

00:11:23.840 caught on them to take the organs, in 10 out of 10 patients studied at Johns Hopkins University,

00:11:31.540 the heart rate went up and the blood pressure went up. That would not happen a cadaver. So brain death is

00:11:37.040 that kind of thing. John Henry, in the society in which we live, in many ways, we tend to be a

00:11:44.260 trusting society. In recent times, because of other things that happened, COVID and the like, we've

00:11:49.480 learned not to be quite so trusting, but we tend to be trusting in society. And so the general public,

00:11:55.760 I think, trusts they want to do good to help their fellow man. They think, well, if I'm dead, take my

00:12:02.580 organs and all of that kind of stuff. But they have to get to the facts. And the fact of the matter is,

00:12:09.140 God creates us. God creates each one of us as unique and unrepeatable and gives our organs to us.

00:12:16.840 And God makes it so that we cannot transplant an organ to another person. Well, human beings have found

00:12:24.800 a way to interfere with God, to interfere with God's natural way of rejecting one another's organs,

00:12:32.540 interfering with that so organs can be transplanted. And it is, but it isn't that God didn't know how to

00:12:40.800 interfere with the rejection process. He does it every time a mother is pregnant. The baby is foreign to her

00:12:46.700 and she would reject it. So as soon as the mother gets pregnant, rejection process is interfered with, 0.99

00:12:54.020 and it can be documented. It's been documented in multiple animals and human beings that already,

00:13:00.480 when there's just one cell, that's even before implantation, the early pregnancy factor is there,

00:13:07.600 and that interferes with the immune mechanisms. The mother accepts that baby and her immune mechanisms 0.98

00:13:14.420 are interfered with until she delivers. And as soon as she delivers, her immune mechanisms are 0.98

00:13:19.960 back like they were otherwise. So God knew how to interfere with and knows how to interfere with the

00:13:27.700 immune mechanism, but he doesn't. So human beings come along and find a way to do this. So our organs

00:13:34.220 are created for our own self. Can they be, if you take something like a heart, every time a heart

00:13:41.700 transplant is done, the surgeon opens the chest, the wide open, ties off or puts the blood vessels in

00:13:49.320 such shape that they can go to someone else all along. And I show recordings of this sometimes when

00:13:56.380 I give a talk, shows the beating heart with the chest open up. The transplant surgeon then stops the

00:14:03.200 beating heart and then lifts it out. So that heart, that person is very much alive when they

00:14:09.800 wheel them into the operating room to cut their, get their heart. And what's left are the remains

00:14:15.660 of someone after they take the heart and many other vital organs to transplant to someone else.

00:14:21.820 Okay. So what you said that that's a lot to take in. There's some really, really fascinating things.

00:14:27.460 One of the things that probably many people don't know is that whenever you get an organ

00:14:31.580 transplant, you have to, for the rest of your life, take anti-rejection drugs because the body

00:14:38.420 fights the foreign entity, someone else's organ and doesn't allow for that. Otherwise the body 0.98

00:14:44.880 would fight it and destroy it as a foreign entity, but doesn't because of these anti-rejection drugs.

00:14:49.960 And then Dr. Byrne explained how in the case of new life of conception, also a new life, a different

00:14:58.140 life, a different body, but God makes it so that there's no rejection going on there. Because as Dr.

00:15:06.160 Byrne said, God is able to account for making this a different entity inside a body and having it not

00:15:13.740 go naturally. Now we've figured out a way to do this with anti-rejection drugs. I have so many things

00:15:18.280 to ask you about. There's so many fascinating aspects of this, but one is that these anti-rejection

00:15:22.980 drugs are very costly. There's very much a cost incentive in this whole organ donation business.

00:15:30.320 We're going to get to the morality in a second, but the cost incentive is really there, both in terms

00:15:35.340 of the transplant itself and in terms of the anti-rejection drugs, which go on forever. Is

00:15:41.000 there not? If you can tell us about that. Actually what happens in organ transplant, the recipient of

00:15:46.020 the organ exchanges one set of problems for another set of problems, which is different from what we're

00:15:53.360 used to in surgery. If someone has abdominal pain and appendicitis, they get an operation and everything

00:15:59.480 is great. It isn't that way. And yes, these things are important to understand about the

00:16:07.060 rejection and anti-rejection drugs and things that the person who receives the organs through for the

00:16:13.580 rest of their life. And it's important to identify with that. Also has an effect on all of us because,

00:16:22.220 for instance, TB is more common than it used to be. And things happen that are in society that are

00:16:28.900 interfering with the fighting of infection and those kinds of things. It's a societal issue.

00:16:34.800 Kidney transplant is another one that gets a lot of attention, but we do have a way to treat kidney

00:16:41.640 failure with dialysis, but people can live for a long time. And what happens, John Henry, is that

00:16:48.640 oftentimes human beings will take the easier way out as opposed to the moral way. If we just focus on the

00:16:57.280 heart, for instance, while heart transplant, as we've already described, some of it is involved

00:17:02.580 there, almost as sure as you and I are talking to each other, a heart would have already, artificial

00:17:08.560 heart that would have already been developed. It's been developed, used in animals and that kind of

00:17:14.300 thing. It functions very well. We'd very likely, we'd have a heart if we hadn't given doctors a way to

00:17:21.300 find the easy way, that is, get the organ from someone else who's alive. And yes, they get killed

00:17:27.480 in the process, but that gets acceptable to some. Incidentally, it's a multi-billion dollar industry.

00:17:34.260 Forty-eight billion dollars in 2020 was billed for organ transplants, of which doctors got six

00:17:41.020 billion dollars. And so many doctors, essentially all of the hospitals are involved in this and it's

00:17:48.720 organized by the federal government. But when it's like a lot of other things that are organized by

00:17:54.560 the federal government or organized by anybody, it gets down to the individual persons and people that

00:18:01.640 are participating. They know that when they cut on them, sometimes they have to give them a paralyzing

00:18:08.900 agent so they don't move. They have to give them anesthetics so that the care of the patient,

00:18:14.140 the one they're taking the organs from is better. And John Henry, it's so sad because patients that

00:18:22.420 are deficient in thyroid, like the little girl, 11 years old in California that we're helping with

00:18:28.240 now, deficient in thyroid. And her mother, her father, we begged for them to give her thyroid.

00:18:35.820 She was deficient in thyroid. A lot of people know that thyroid's essential for living. She was

00:18:41.280 deficient in thyroid. It took us more than a week to get them to give her a thyroid. If her parents 0.89

00:18:47.900 would have said, yes, take her organs, she would have gotten thyroid immediately because they give 1.00

00:18:52.780 the thyroid to make their organs in better shape for the one they're going to give the organs to. 1.00

00:18:57.820 And so many of these things, I suspect if ordinary people would know about them, perhaps they would

00:19:05.080 think differently. I don't know what you're doing in terms of sharing this information as

00:19:11.180 you are now in many other ways. It helps to educate the people in terms of what's going on.

00:19:17.340 One of the things you said there, the fascinating aspect of the huge amount of money involved and

00:19:25.140 the government's work within this sphere has, at least I can speak to Canada and America, has created

00:19:32.260 teams of, you can call it sales agents for this. When someone is involved in an accident,

00:19:38.420 particularly a young, healthiest person in a car or motorcycle accident, the family is like

00:19:44.380 preyed upon by these professional salespeople who are trying to get them to sign a consent so that

00:19:52.160 they can quickly garner the organs. Because this is sort of like a business. It's sold psychologically

00:19:57.420 by telling the parents, well, no, you lost your son or you lost your daughter, but at least they can make

00:20:02.040 contribution to the future and so on and so forth. And yet this is immoral. And they are

00:20:08.060 signing the death warrants of their own children. One of the things I want to talk about, because I

00:20:13.120 know this is something that people think of, they think to themselves, wow, but it's possible.

00:20:18.640 You know how incredible it is that you can take someone's heart and put it into somebody else

00:20:23.120 and connect all this. It's like a miracle. Isn't that then moral? Because the miracle of being able

00:20:30.260 to do it, how would you respond?

00:20:31.360 Well, of course, that sounds good. But when somebody is a cadaver, it isn't so. There's

00:20:37.680 no organs that you can transplant from a cadaver. And you don't need to be too astute observer to

00:20:45.080 know what happens when there is death. Obviously, anybody who's around or a person who has died or

00:20:53.020 their pet or they find a dead bird in the woods as they walk, it's clearly different. That difference

00:21:00.460 happens when the soul separates. And then immediately the destruction begins. It's

00:21:07.060 called autolysis. And no one should be declared dead unless there is destruction of the major vital

00:21:13.740 systems, the circulatory and respiratory system in the brain. No one should be declared dead unless

00:21:20.000 there's destruction of those systems. What do they do in brain death? The law revolves around an 0.85

00:21:28.440 absence of function. And so it revolves around activity. If you don't have activity, then you're

00:21:37.160 called dead like the little girl in California. Unless 11 years old goes into diabetes and coma and

00:21:44.160 the result of that, immediately they start focusing on calling her brain dead, but they can't do the

00:21:51.180 formal test. They do the formal test and, and she doesn't take a breath. You know, the formal test of 1.00

00:21:57.820 taking away the ventilator called the apnea test. She doesn't breathe. They write on her chart that she's

00:22:03.800 brain dead, but then they want to do another test. The mother, the father, plead, beg, we do everything to keep

00:22:10.600 them from doing the second one because they, the apnea test is a terrible, terrible test. They take away the

00:22:16.200 ventilator for up to 10 minutes and the patient must show they can take a breath or that becomes the

00:22:22.600 signal to cut out the beating heart. That little girl, they did the second one in spite of pleading 1.00

00:22:28.980 not to do it. And she took a breath. She was called brain dead the first time, not, could not call her

00:22:35.780 brain dead the second time because she took a breath. And here we are two weeks later and going to go to

00:22:41.920 court tomorrow. And the doctors in the hospital are wanting to do another one of these apnea tests.

00:22:49.380 And this little, little girl shows much evidence of healing about what happens is that once somebody

00:22:57.400 has this declaration of brain death, the system is going to make them dead because everybody who's

00:23:03.020 called brain dead, the system makes them dead either by cutting out their vital organs, or if they can't

00:23:10.300 breathe on their own, taking their life support away from them. That's why they say nobody's recovered

00:23:16.140 from brain death. Nobody's going to get recovered when they have their beating heart cut out. They cut

00:23:21.440 out the organs and they always are dead if they need their life support and take it away. It's so sad

00:23:28.400 because on the surface, they pretend like they really want to do something, but underneath, there's all

00:23:35.300 these things. John Henry, you mentioned about people in Canada hovering over to get the organs. In the

00:23:41.480 United States, we have that, except we give them a nice name. We call them a designated requester. So

00:23:48.920 the treating physician is not allowed to discuss organ transplants. The designated requester, who is often

00:23:56.780 described as somebody who is dressed very nice, has a lot of charisma, gets a cup of coffee,

00:24:02.400 befriends somebody in the family, and eventually gets them to say yes. And then, John Henry, I work

00:24:09.560 with people all over the world. I say all over many, many places in the world. That includes Canada and

00:24:16.160 includes England. More than once, someone has said, well, you have it so nice in the United States because

00:24:23.620 we in Canada or we in England have socialized medicine. In the United States, at least in my opinion,

00:24:31.140 we have socialized medicine also. In Canada, there's one pool of money. In the United States,

00:24:36.880 there's three pools of money. The federal money, the state money, and then the private insurance

00:24:42.420 company. All of the private insurance companies do exactly what the federal government says to do.

00:24:48.680 So it's a form of socialized medicine. There's a little bit of input into it, but not really.

00:24:54.740 This morning, I go to physical therapy. It will stop pretty soon, no matter what, because there's

00:25:01.000 a certain number of visits. No, it doesn't revolve. It's a similar kind of thing, but it's not quite so

00:25:08.260 open as it is in Canada and England.

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00:26:09.580 One of the counters I've heard to the argument for why, because this is so miraculous, isn't it good

00:26:18.160 because doctors are able to do this thing? Isn't it moral because they're able to? It's been compared

00:26:24.880 to me before to in vitro fertilization. Seems miraculous, seems like you have life in conception

00:26:30.880 where there couldn't be. And yet it is, while being a fantastical type of thing, is completely

00:26:38.380 immoral. It's outside of God's plan for procreation. And so similarly, even though it does seem rather

00:26:45.500 miraculous what they can do, what science has advanced to, what physicians can do, surgeons can

00:26:51.280 do, it's still immoral. This is not real death. It's brain death, a category created so that they

00:26:57.900 could do these things. You know, even though it's quote-unquote helping people, where some people

00:27:03.260 get help, they are helped, but also they have to take these anti-rejection drugs, which costs a lot.

00:27:07.980 But imagine too, I mean, you can help poor people by stealing from other people, robbing them or

00:27:14.140 whatever, but that doesn't make it right either. So the morality here is not a case of morality

00:27:20.560 because you can do this seemingly wonderful thing. That doesn't make it moral. Let's talk for a little

00:27:26.040 bit about what happens with brain death. And after the fact, we've had these designations where people

00:27:34.660 have been on the list to go for brain death, but then woken up out of their designation, but prior to

00:27:42.520 extraction surgery, which would have killed them for sure.

00:27:45.260 Well, that's been around for a long time, John Henry. A couple of things early on when I started

00:27:51.000 to investigate, there was a patient who had flat brain waves for 39 days and then woke up. In

00:28:00.140 Madison, Wisconsin, there was a man, Mr. Winogron, who was declared brain dead. And as they started to

00:28:07.260 do something to take his eyes, he blinked. And so there were always from the beginning, it's that way.

00:28:15.260 But, you know, the doctors who declare death, they said, well, they're always dead when they do it.

00:28:21.940 Well, we have a few examples of what happens. An outstanding example is Jahi McMath, a lot of

00:28:29.700 notoriety, a 13-year-old girl in California who had tonsil surgery and then was said to be brain

00:28:36.960 dead. And her mother got on the TV. It's actually in the same room where I'm sitting now. Her mother

00:28:43.360 was on the TV and pleaded, well, is there anyone out there that will help him? My son was right next

00:28:48.500 to me and he poked me and said, well, dad, what are you going to do? So I went to California and they

00:28:53.520 wouldn't let any doctors in to see her. So the way I got in was about two o'clock in the morning and

00:29:00.000 her stepfather, with guard in between, her stepfather said, oh, pastor, come on in here. That's how I

00:29:06.780 get in to see her. They wouldn't call her by name. They referred to her as a dead body. They gave her

00:29:13.340 no nutrition for a month, no nutrition. And so we got involved and she was deficient in thyroid and 0.95

00:29:21.360 we found a way to give her that and get her started on that while she was still in California 0.95

00:29:28.120 to get out of that hospital. Incidentally, she had a death certificate in California. 0.80

00:29:33.740 She had all the tests for brain deaths. She had three treating physicians who said she was

00:29:39.780 brain dead. The court appointed another expert from Stanford who came along and confirmed that

00:29:46.320 she was brain dead. They got her transferred to New Jersey where they gave her treatment that she

00:29:52.880 needed. In a few months, she was transferred out to an apartment where her family took care of her.

00:29:59.420 New Jersey, I went to see her and her mother would say, give me a thumbs up. And after a little bit,

00:30:06.740 her thumb would come up, raise your left leg. And the same thing would happen. So while she was

00:30:12.020 declared brain dead because of God and her mother and a few other people, she wasn't killed. As currently

00:30:20.920 happens in people who were called brain dead, they're all alive. Their life gets ended. And if it's

00:30:27.280 purposely ended by cutting out their vital organs, that's serious, serious matter. If it's a question

00:30:34.180 about whether the treatment is extraordinary means and the obligation to do it, that's another question.

00:30:40.760 But if they do need the ventilator, as Jahai McMath did need the ventilator, she did. Anybody,

00:30:48.820 incidentally, anybody who's on a ventilator for about two, maybe three weeks and has an endotracheal tube,

00:30:55.300 that they cannot get out of an ICU unless they get a tracheostomy. The girl in California,

00:31:02.820 she needs a tracheostomy, but they won't do it. A tracheostomy is to put a tube through the throat. 0.99

00:31:09.220 So instead of the long tube that goes through the mouth, it's a short tube. And it makes it much

00:31:15.280 easier for the patient to breathe through the one through the neck. And in a Lou in Nevada,

00:31:21.400 which incidentally, her case went to the Supreme Court in Nevada. We got a 7-0 unanimous ruling that

00:31:29.320 the court could not accept what they were calling as brain dead and sent it back to a lower court.

00:31:36.540 But in that case, no doctor at that hospital in Nevada would do tracheostomy. Another doctor in

00:31:43.720 Nevada would come and do it, but the hospital wouldn't allow them to do it. Treating the air,

00:31:49.620 nose and throat doctor who was capable of doing it, on the phone, he was practically in tears with me

00:31:56.140 saying, I want to do it, but I can't take the pressure from my peaters. And so it's a whole

00:32:03.660 team of people that are all participating in this multi-billion dollar industry, which depends on

00:32:11.880 getting healthy organs, not damaged organs. So healthy organs, where do you get healthy organs

00:32:18.200 from living persons? Can you get a healthy organ from a cadaver? No. What's truly stunning is the

00:32:24.820 Chinese have this huge market in organs because they're able to do so with their prisoners that 1.00

00:32:30.680 they conveniently can get them to donate their organs very freely. Here, it seems in America and Canada

00:32:38.340 in Europe, they've had to develop all these psychological means. You put the whole country

00:32:43.340 under a scientific and moral and basically propaganda to be able to engage in this industry,

00:32:49.820 this multi-billion dollar industry. Absolutely stunning. But this has personal implications

00:32:54.000 for people because one of the things that they're confronted with, the first and foremost,

00:32:59.600 is for most people on their driver's licenses, when they get their driver's license,

00:33:03.380 they're asked to sign consent for organ donation. How's that going today?

00:33:07.900 I want to be an organ donor and they don't give them any information. That doesn't spur of the moment.

00:33:13.000 And I really think that people feel like, well, if I'm dead, take my organs, that kind of thing.

00:33:20.660 And so they say yes to that. But signing that organ donor permit at the license bureau,

00:33:26.920 that gives license to the transplant surgeon to kill you. No one should be saying yes at the

00:33:33.020 license bureau. Everyone should be saying no. At least gather some information before you do that.

00:33:39.700 In medicine, the distributing of information and giving information enough to make a decision,

00:33:46.120 we call that informed consent. And so a person has to have information in order to consent or

00:33:54.200 decline. At the license bureau, they're not giving any information. And whether they consent or decline,

00:34:00.660 they're doing it without information. Information is important, like education, John Henry. But in

00:34:07.460 order for me to educate, I am dependent on people like you to disseminate the information. There are

00:34:16.480 other organizations that are very active, even organizations that have, as far as people know,

00:34:24.060 good reputations that have been supportive of brain death and organ transplants,

00:34:29.440 still supportive of it. And so it's the law is such that it's not a good law, can be declared dead when

00:34:38.380 you're alive. But you see, the law is there. The law is dependent on the findings of medicine. We call

00:34:47.280 that criteria to make a judgment. But the law in the medicine ought not to contradict the philosophy,

00:34:56.580 the philosophy of living things has to do with the soul. And the human person, there is a unity of the body and

00:35:07.460 the soul. The soul has powers, of which obviously the intellective power is a major part. But there is still the

00:35:17.360 nutritive power as there is. These people digest their food, the locomotive, they have circulation.

00:35:24.260 These are powers of the soul. These are powers of being alive. So all of these people that are called

00:35:31.120 brain dead, it's contrary to science to call them dead. It's contrary to philosophy to call them dead.

00:35:38.880 But it's intertwined. And John Henry to think about them. It's like a lot of other things. And like, if in order to

00:35:48.000 think about them, us human beings, because we tend to think about one thing at a time, we have to separate

00:35:56.580 them out. But while we're separating them out, we get them mixed up. And so we mix up the philosophy, the law, the medicine,

00:36:06.940 the tests that are done, they get mixed up. And then in some ways, we have some feelings or emotions,

00:36:14.860 say, I want to help somebody else. And yet some other way, we know that you're not dead when the

00:36:20.760 heart's beating in their circulation. And then the philosophy gets there. And then we human beings,

00:36:28.420 sometimes we give in when we shouldn't. And so what does the general public rely on? The general public

00:36:35.320 relies on the leadership of the doctors, the leadership of the law, the leadership of the

00:36:43.280 philosophers and the theologians. So far as the law is concerned, right now, and one of the most

00:36:50.320 important things, and we are embarking on a project called Project Truth, and that is to educate about

00:36:57.460 the law, the law about determination of death. It has two ways. It's either one or two. You're only dead

00:37:04.780 one way. And the focus is on cessation of brain function. But a cessation of function is not

00:37:13.120 enough. Even if you put words in front of it like you're reversible, it's a cessation of the brain

00:37:18.800 activity. That is not enough. It has to be more than that. That's the number two way in the law.

00:37:25.360 But the number one way in the law is used because they can't use the number two way because they have

00:37:32.780 clear evidence of a functioning brain, but they still want their organ. So what they do is they

00:37:39.140 take away their life support, and then they don't take it away long enough for someone to be dead. They

00:37:46.820 take it away long enough so they don't have a pulse. That is, so they don't have circulation enough to

00:37:52.360 detect a pulse. And then they call them heart dead, and then they start everything else up. And then to

00:37:59.140 ensure that they can't ever have a functioning brain, they cut their carotid arteries off to make

00:38:06.500 sure they don't become conscious as they're doing their procedures. All of this stuff is evil. So my

00:38:13.480 golden objective is to educate the people about the determination of death act, which is a bad law,

00:38:20.880 which is based on bad medicine, which is contrary to the truth, and then to have a good law. And we do

00:38:28.280 have a good law. Good law says no one shall be declared dead unless the circuitry and respiratory

00:38:35.660 systems and the entire brain have been destroyed. It's a good law. It works good. It protects the

00:38:42.480 life of the person, which is the standard of law should be across the board generally, that it shouldn't

00:38:50.200 be just there for some religion, whatever that is, that kind of thing, or some Russian race, or some

00:38:58.260 other thing, some how much money, whatever it is. The law, so far as life and death is concerned,

00:39:06.100 is the same for everybody, no matter what it is. We are alive from our creation, each person is, and

00:39:12.920 what do we do as human beings? Because God loves us and we love God, we love other human beings, and

00:39:21.300 we protect and preserve the life of that. And once the creation is there, then preservation has to be

00:39:29.140 there, and preservation includes the circulation and respiration and other things that have to happen.

00:39:36.000 And then when the soul separates, what you have left is destruction. The only question is, how much

00:39:44.180 destruction do you have to have before you declare them dead? Well, it's absolutely foolish to call them 0.95

00:39:51.700 dead when they're digesting food and putting out urine and that kind of thing. Anybody who can think

00:39:58.000 a little bit knows that that's not death. Indeed. Dr. Byrne, thank you so much for that. Where can people go

00:40:04.080 for more information, particularly if they want to see what is going on with brain death to get themselves

00:40:11.160 a power of attorney, which gives them protection so that they're not, they don't have their organs taken

00:40:16.960 or that their loved ones are protected? Yes, where they can go two ways, at least two, but one is

00:40:22.780 www.lifeguardianfoundation.org. We have information there. Incidentally, we get sent out cards and you can

00:40:32.000 sign the card saying you don't want to be an organ donor. But what is more important on that card,

00:40:38.320 it says you want to be treated. You want to be treated. If you get into the system, you want to be

00:40:44.320 treated so you can get that card. The other thing that is going on there is there are two books that

00:40:50.580 are available. One is by Heidi Classic, The Fallacies of Brain Death. It's very, very important.

00:40:57.100 And there is a book that's been written about me, my name, and Defender of Life. It's not my cup of tea

00:41:04.900 to do much about propagating my own self. Over the years, I've been asked and I've never had time.

00:41:11.300 Christopher Bogosh, an intensive care nurse, wanted to write it, so he wrote it. But the purpose of the

00:41:19.480 book is not me. The purpose of the book is to educate that the laws about death are bad in the

00:41:28.700 United States. They're bad under all the states, and they must be repealed, and they must be replaced

00:41:34.940 with a law that will protect the life of the person until death. And so we're on Project Truth. We need

00:41:43.400 people. We will take them from every state and any state. The goal and objective is to educate

00:41:49.860 people, and then they educate the legislators, get the bill introduced into the legislature,

00:41:58.800 and then it will be discussed. In some ways, that's how we are to where we are right now, because

00:42:05.120 they wanted to revise the Determination of Death Act to make it even less strict.

00:42:11.580 That brought attention to everybody. This discussion that you and I are having, I started these

00:42:18.520 discussions 40 years ago. And so in some ways, they're really not any different. And sometimes

00:42:25.920 I go back to my early writing and I say, wow, I was saying it already then. I mean it only that way

00:42:33.840 in humility, because the truth doesn't change, John Henry. The truth is there. The truth about life

00:42:41.560 and death, and the truth has to do with creation by God, not evolution. That's all nonsense. And so

00:42:49.000 creation by God, the life of the person is a unity of the body and soul. It's a continual, but continual

00:42:56.800 until death. Death is the event that separates the body and soul, and what you have left on earth

00:43:03.560 are the remains which is manifest as destruction, disintegration, dissolution.

00:43:11.000 Dr. Paul Byrne, thank you so very much. You won't do it, but I will. I would recommend everyone go get

00:43:16.000 the book, Dr. Paul Byrne, Defender of Life. Go to the website also, lifeguardianfoundation.com. Get it there.

00:43:23.300 Dr. Byrne, on behalf of all of our LifeSite crew, thank you for being a staunch defender of life

00:43:28.180 and a defender of the faith and the family. May God bless you.

00:43:32.240 Thank you very much. You too, John Henry.

00:43:34.100 And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - July 16, 2024

Brain Death and ORGAN HARVESTING： What You NEED to Know

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