The John-Henry Westen Show - July 27, 2023


BREAKDOWN： Pope Francis' Progressive ATTACKS On Benedict XVI's Legacy

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The papal biographer who did all the books with Pope Benedict and did some fascinating deep dives into the life of Pope Benedict, Peter Seewald, just came out with a scathing criticism of Pope Francis last week. And we're going to do a deep dive into that with our German correspondent, Andreas Weilze, and our senior correspondent, Jim Hale, who goes all over the place.

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00:00:00.000 It's very revealing what he says about Francis.
00:00:03.320 He's saying that his agenda is getting more and more radicalized,
00:00:08.040 the more time passes.
00:00:09.580 And he actually said that his agenda is getting unveiled.
00:00:20.020 Hey, my friends, there is something really shocking that happened last week
00:00:23.860 that I don't know that many of you know about.
00:00:26.000 But the papal biographer Peter Seewald,
00:00:30.160 he's the one who did all the books with Pope Benedict
00:00:32.700 and really fascinating deep dives into the life of Pope Benedict.
00:00:38.040 He just came out with a scathing criticism of Pope Francis last week.
00:00:43.880 And we're going to do a deep dive into that.
00:00:46.960 We have with us today our German correspondent Andreas Weilze,
00:00:51.840 as well as Jim Hale, who is our senior correspondent,
00:00:57.140 video correspondent, goes all over the place.
00:00:59.480 And he's been able to do, well, he did an in-depth reading
00:01:03.020 of Peter Seewald's biography of Pope Benedict.
00:01:08.400 You're going to want to stay tuned for this episode
00:01:09.980 of the John Hinner Weston Show.
00:01:19.920 Jim, Andreas, so good to have you on the show.
00:01:22.720 John Henry, it's such a pleasure to be here.
00:01:25.680 I wish it wasn't for this occasion.
00:01:28.820 But it's good to be back with you, my friend.
00:01:33.600 So let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
00:01:37.240 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
00:01:42.320 Amen.
00:01:44.300 So, Andreas, if we could start with you.
00:01:46.920 The coverage came out on LifeSite News last week, last Friday.
00:01:51.660 And it was by Raymond Wolff.
00:01:53.600 But you being German, the original interview came out with Kathnet,
00:01:58.620 a German Catholic news service.
00:02:01.380 Tell us your first impressions of the story and what really the news is here.
00:02:05.060 Yeah, well, when I first read it, I wasn't sure, maybe is this Archbishop Vigano writing,
00:02:11.980 or who is this?
00:02:13.040 Because he used such a strong language of condemnation of what Pope Francis did.
00:02:21.100 So basically, the theme of the interview is that Sevald is saying that Pope Francis is trying to destroy
00:02:30.200 the legacy of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI.
00:02:34.660 So that's what it's all about.
00:02:36.340 And he, of course, being his official biographer, well, he knows a thing or two about Pope Benedict.
00:02:42.220 He knows him maybe better, certainly better than most.
00:02:45.240 And it's very revealing what he says about Francis.
00:02:49.840 He's saying that his agenda is getting more and more radicalized, the more time passes.
00:02:56.160 And he actually said that his agenda is getting unveiled.
00:02:59.780 So he also said, well, this seems to be that Francis was planning this from the beginning
00:03:04.320 to undermine tradition and church teaching.
00:03:07.280 And it seems like, to me, the naming of the recent head of the Congregation of the Doctrine
00:03:15.860 of the Faith, Archbishop Fernandes, was a watershed moment.
00:03:21.440 And that Peter Sevald, who is the biographer who did the interview, realized that this is a
00:03:28.700 watershed moment.
00:03:29.420 That's what it seems like to me, because he talks about him a lot, about the new archbishop,
00:03:33.660 and he's speaking out in a way that I think he hasn't spoken out before in that stark and
00:03:39.540 strong language.
00:03:40.600 So, yeah, that's what it's about in a nutshell, I think.
00:03:45.660 You know that here on LifeSite, we love to tell amazing stories.
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00:03:58.020 When I was in seminary, I was reading a book by Henry Nouwen.
00:04:04.420 He talked about a nuclear man, you know, and people who grew up in the 1980s were kind
00:04:09.740 of formed by that immediate and constant threat of nuclear annihilation.
00:04:16.960 My generation has grown up, you know, under the specter of priestly sexual abuse.
00:04:23.060 I think that for many of us, that has also been all-encompassing, you know, I mean, I
00:04:32.760 entered the seminary in January of 2004, and it's basically been there for me from in the
00:04:39.180 beginning.
00:04:42.060 One priest's sacrifice for many priestly sins.
00:04:46.860 Okay, so, Jim, one of the things that struck me most about this interview was that Seewald
00:05:04.700 describes, he almost attributes Pope Benedict's death to Pope Francis.
00:05:11.580 He talks about Traditiones Christodos, the document which is basically against the Latin
00:05:17.500 Mass.
00:05:18.280 It undoes the very broad permissions for Latin Mass that Pope Benedict gave in Sumorum Pontificum.
00:05:25.460 He said it was a stab in the heart to Pope Benedict, and he says he sort of never recovered.
00:05:32.520 So, I mean, very strong words.
00:05:34.700 You read Peter Seewald's autobiographies of Benedict in depth.
00:05:40.540 They're vast and wide-ranging.
00:05:42.700 They're very, very deep.
00:05:43.960 Obviously, Seewald really not only admired, but considered Pope Benedict a real friend and
00:05:50.140 someone with who, you know, he just spent so much his life giving to.
00:05:56.220 It was amazing.
00:05:57.540 Give me your impressions of what you make of this new revelation.
00:06:00.960 Well, John Henry, I think, first of all, it's important to understand who Seewald is, okay?
00:06:07.260 This—he is not some fire-breathing conservative.
00:06:12.300 I mean, he's a journalist, even a secular journalist, very well-respected.
00:06:18.380 So, he's certainly not, you know, known as being, you know, some kind of hardcore traditional
00:06:24.720 Catholic who hates Pope Francis.
00:06:26.600 And, you know, when you read his biographies, it's two volumes, two big volumes.
00:06:34.640 The second volume just came out last year.
00:06:37.800 You get a panorama of the Catholic Church in the 20th century.
00:06:45.480 It is some of the best history writing there is.
00:06:48.200 I mean, I think Seewald's credentials as a journalist and as a confidant of Pope Benedict
00:06:56.980 is really, you know, we're talking about somebody that's deserving of a lot of respect here.
00:07:07.240 And in the biographies, he, you know, he is not going after Pope Francis in these biographies.
00:07:14.560 So, when I read Raymond Wolff's article, and I want to tell you right now, everybody needs
00:07:20.060 to go on to LifeSite News and read Raymond Wolff's article because even in the English
00:07:25.440 translation, Andreas talked about, you know, what he really said in German.
00:07:30.800 But, wow, I was stunned.
00:07:34.380 I mean, that he is making those kind of statements like this is a stab in the back.
00:07:42.080 It, you cannot underestimate or overestimate how significant that this is.
00:07:53.620 So, you know, I think it would be really, I would love to see a lot of, you know, it
00:07:58.700 was funny because, Johnny, when we were traveling in Germany, we went to see Princess Gloria last
00:08:03.200 year.
00:08:03.580 And then we took our, then when we were in Rome, I was, I was reading those biographies at
00:08:08.700 that time, and I know I was driving you crazy because I kept telling you about, like, how
00:08:12.640 awesome this book is and how wonderful it is, the great insights that he makes.
00:08:17.720 But what that Sevald has, is doing right now, I mean, this is something that commands attention.
00:08:27.280 This is serious.
00:08:29.280 And I believe he's absolutely right.
00:08:31.820 The appointment of Fernandez to basically the number two man at the Vatican is beyond disgrace.
00:08:38.700 The takeaway there, Jim, that you said, to understand that Sevald is no right-wing, you
00:08:48.640 know, hardcore traditionalist at all.
00:08:51.860 If anything, in another age, he might have been looked at as a liberal.
00:08:56.900 Right.
00:08:57.060 And yet even he sees we're in disastrous territory.
00:09:02.040 Now, Andreas, one of the things that you said in the beginning, you were talking about how
00:09:09.160 the new appointment of Fernandez, and he talks about the sort of dismissal of Cardinal Muller,
00:09:16.600 is a new demarcation point, a new point of interest.
00:09:20.680 Now, why this is interesting to me anyway, is also because in the world of the Vatican, if
00:09:28.660 you will, the Germans hang out because they know one another.
00:09:32.820 So Cardinal Muller was close with Pope Benedict.
00:09:36.720 And a lot of the German reporters get to be with both.
00:09:41.860 And they're sort of a fluid relationship as friends.
00:09:44.460 And yes, he's a reporter.
00:09:45.800 They're all in their official roles.
00:09:47.400 But there's nonetheless a friendship.
00:09:49.680 And so out from Seewald, we get an understanding not only from, you know, his dealings with
00:09:57.680 them on official ways, but all of these unofficial back and forths that they have.
00:10:03.440 So we're really seeing something here of, you know, the experience of not only formal interviews,
00:10:10.980 but also the informal interactions.
00:10:14.040 What do you make of that?
00:10:14.760 Definitely.
00:10:16.960 And he, so like you said, they were all Germans or Seewald and Pope Benedict and Cardinal
00:10:23.600 Muller.
00:10:24.300 And also who appears in the interview, Archbishop Georg Genswein, who was the private secretary
00:10:29.300 of Benedict.
00:10:31.280 So they all appear there.
00:10:32.660 And Seewald is basically saying that he is attacking all of them.
00:10:37.660 Well, at least, you know, Genswein and Muller and Pope Benedict.
00:10:42.760 So when, you know, Francis had this incredible quote when he appointed Archbishop Fernandes
00:10:51.880 to the CDF, he said that the CDF used to use immoral measures to sort of defend the doctrine
00:11:02.980 of the faith.
00:11:04.020 So, I mean, that's something incredible to say.
00:11:06.040 And he, Seewald said that it certainly has to be interpreted as a slight towards both
00:11:13.500 Cardinal Muller, who was appointed by Benedict and was CDF-fed until 2017 when Francis got
00:11:20.280 rid of him.
00:11:21.380 And, of course, to Pope Benedict himself, who was the head of the CDF for many years under
00:11:27.380 Pope John Paul II.
00:11:28.960 So most of the things that Pope Francis said were sort of directed, according to Seewald,
00:11:38.080 against Cardinal Muller and Pope Benedict, sort of this group of influential conservative
00:11:48.060 Catholic leaders in the church.
00:11:50.340 So, yeah, he was sliding them all, it seems like, Francis was.
00:11:56.140 So, yeah.
00:11:57.300 What's truly stunning about that is that, at least for traditional Catholics, even conservative
00:12:06.380 Catholics, I don't think any of them would have thought that Cardinal Muller or Pope Benedict
00:12:14.600 were as harsh as they should have been, were as strident as they should have been.
00:12:22.580 In other words, most would have said, no, they were way too lenient, but they at least
00:12:28.280 stopped, like, the sexual abuse stuff.
00:12:32.160 But they were pretty weak on allowing for heresy.
00:12:35.280 You know, Father James Martin existed under the cardinal of Cardinal Muller when he was
00:12:44.160 still the head of the CDF.
00:12:45.960 I'm sorry, he shouldn't be appraised, but he still was.
00:12:49.960 So the argument can be made that he's way too lenient.
00:12:53.800 But here they are being, you know, condemned as too right-wing.
00:12:59.080 Jim, you've read that book in detail.
00:13:01.620 What do you make of this charge?
00:13:02.980 Yeah, John Henry, Zavall makes just that point you just made about Benedict when he
00:13:09.980 was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, that, you know, he agonized over
00:13:14.680 all those big doctrinal matters, and he upset a lot of conservatives.
00:13:21.920 There's no way that, like, you could have accused Benedict of, you know, what was it,
00:13:28.460 what was Francis's quote, that these were, you know, immoral?
00:13:31.780 I mean, are you kidding me?
00:13:35.100 Like, that is such a slander.
00:13:38.640 I mean, that's the only way you can describe it.
00:13:42.980 I mean, Zavall is, I'm really grateful to him, because can I just tell you, John Henry,
00:13:49.780 how, like, personally this has impacted me?
00:13:53.500 You know I'm a convert to the faith.
00:13:56.260 My wife is a convert to the faith.
00:13:57.880 We love being Catholic.
00:13:59.660 Like, I knew who Pope Francis was when I came into the church in 2018, okay?
00:14:06.540 And, you know, I look for every way I can to love the faith.
00:14:13.660 And you know that.
00:14:14.860 I'm always bugging you to go out and do positive stories and all that kind of thing so we can
00:14:20.180 show the goodness and beauty of the faith.
00:14:21.740 But when I read about Fernandez, you know, this is the guy who wrote the book called The Art
00:14:26.640 of Kissing.
00:14:28.040 And that's just the, you know, one little tiny bit of this man's heresy.
00:14:34.480 Man, it's really been hard for me to wrap my mind around this and what this means and
00:14:43.440 to try to, how can you defend the Holy Father doing this kind of thing?
00:14:52.320 I mean, it's really rough.
00:14:54.680 And I have to confess to having experienced some real spiritual darkness because of it.
00:15:02.860 I mean, it's a blow.
00:15:05.880 Let me just say that.
00:15:09.140 Take a look at this.
00:15:10.180 This is Cardinal Burke talking in 2017 about demonic forces entering the church at that
00:15:16.640 time in 2017.
00:15:17.820 Hard to believe that so long ago.
00:15:19.120 This was given at Rome Life Forum, a conference that LifeSite has been running since 2014,
00:15:25.280 actually.
00:15:25.620 Do you know that we're running another one this year, October 31st and November 1st?
00:15:30.580 That is right at the end of this horrific synod on synodality.
00:15:36.160 October 31st, November 1st, 2023.
00:15:38.960 Come join us in Rome.
00:15:40.300 Go to RomeLifeForum.com for more information.
00:15:44.300 Watch Cardinal Burke give this snippet on demonic forces entering into the Vatican from his talk
00:15:50.880 at Rome Life Forum in 2017.
00:15:54.460 It seems clear from the most respected studies of the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima that
00:16:00.640 it has to do with the diabolical forces unleashed upon the world in our time and entering into
00:16:07.740 the very life of the church.
00:16:09.380 For the recovery of peace will be a gift from heaven, but it is not properly speaking the
00:16:16.780 triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
00:16:19.060 Her victory is of another order, supernatural and then temporal by addition.
00:16:25.240 It will first be the victory of the faith, which will put an end to the time of apostasy 0.95
00:16:33.240 and the great shortcomings of the church's pastors.
00:16:36.420 So, how are we to understand this?
00:16:42.320 There seems to be a very big split among the German hierarchy there and then the German
00:16:49.500 hierarchy now, led, I guess you could say, by Cardinal Marx or the Archbishop, now Cardinal
00:16:57.060 Hollerich.
00:16:58.100 Things like these people who are just totally offside.
00:17:01.900 And then where is the sort of right wing?
00:17:06.120 It seems that we have a middle to left group and then a far, far, far left group.
00:17:12.440 Tell us about the Church of Germany, Andreas.
00:17:14.800 Where are the true traditionalists anyway?
00:17:18.560 Well, they're hard to find.
00:17:20.400 I can tell you that.
00:17:21.360 At least among the sitting bishops.
00:17:23.360 You know, we have Cardinal Müller, who's become a very outspoken defender of the traditional
00:17:29.020 faith.
00:17:30.140 And, you know, Cardinal Walter Brandmüller, who was one of the dubia cardinals, of course,
00:17:35.320 like, and of course, the late Pope Benedict XVI as well.
00:17:40.660 But this is sort of the old generation that's not, you know, they're not active bishops.
00:17:44.920 They don't have a diocese anymore now in Germany.
00:17:47.700 So if you look among active bishops, yeah, it looks very rough, to be honest.
00:17:53.240 There's about, as you know, and as most lifestyle readers know, probably between 70 and 80 percent
00:18:00.760 of these bishops voted for heretical documents during the synodal way.
00:18:05.000 So you can say, well, at least 70 to 80 percent are at least complicit with heresy or actively
00:18:13.600 pushing it.
00:18:14.580 Either one of the two.
00:18:15.220 There's a lot of, you know, bishops who are just going along.
00:18:17.860 There's a group, you know, going along to get along.
00:18:21.260 And some are actively pushing these heresies.
00:18:23.240 Some of them are the leaders, like Bishop Betzing and Bishop Bode and several others.
00:18:28.860 And Betzing right now, is he not the head of the German Bishops' Conference?
00:18:33.100 Exactly.
00:18:33.620 Yeah, he's the leader.
00:18:34.920 And Bishop Bode, he used to be the co-president until he had to resign.
00:18:40.120 Or he, well, he did resign.
00:18:41.720 He said it has nothing to do with the accusers of covering up abuses in his diocese.
00:18:47.680 He said it has nothing to do with it.
00:18:48.840 Of course not.
00:18:49.460 Well, yeah.
00:18:50.800 I mean, yeah.
00:18:52.240 I'll leave it up to everyone to interpret that however way they wish.
00:18:55.280 But yeah.
00:18:56.540 So they are definitely the leaders.
00:18:57.580 So the heretics and schismatics in the church are definitely the leaders among the German Bishops' Conference right now.
00:19:04.800 And then there's a group of, you know, people who are just going along.
00:19:08.200 And then there is a group of maybe 20% to 25% who are against the synodal way, who are now described as conservatives.
00:19:18.560 But really, I mean, if you compare it to historical standards, these bishops are all still pretty liberal.
00:19:25.340 I mean, they're just saying, okay, well, this is too much, actually, you know.
00:19:28.900 So even for them, that's too much.
00:19:31.700 But yeah, they're at least, you know, upholding Catholic teaching in that sense.
00:19:37.100 But even among those, many are still against the traditional Latin Mass.
00:19:42.000 So, for instance, many restricted the traditional Latin Mass, even though they're against the synodal way.
00:19:46.300 So you can see they're not really traditional in that sense.
00:19:49.860 You know, there's only very few that I've heard about who secretly allow the Latin Mass to continue in their dioceses. 0.80
00:19:56.540 And I don't think I should talk about it, because if I do, they will get attacked by all the other bishops.
00:20:04.140 So it is really, really rough in Germany right now.
00:20:07.640 So it's just basically, you know, the faithful and some priests who are, you know, who are just upholding the traditional faith in Germany right now.
00:20:19.880 So this is actually an interesting thing.
00:20:23.180 It goes back to a decision made or a change of heart, if you will, that a lot of the church hierarchy had after the Second Vatican Council.
00:20:32.660 And I know, Jim, you're actually well-read in this as well.
00:20:37.440 It relates to a very definite decision to move away from condemnations, anathemas, from holding people to account.
00:20:48.840 And remember, the church always does this for good reason.
00:20:51.840 Never to beat up on someone, to be nasty.
00:20:55.540 Always to call them back to the truth.
00:20:59.300 It's a great act of charity.
00:21:01.200 In fact, one of the spiritual works of mercy is to call the sinner back, to admonish, if you will.
00:21:09.000 But it certainly seems to me, anyway, like the church has basically left that idea of mercy in admonishing people and trying to encourage them back to the faith by telling them that they're wrong.
00:21:23.360 It seems they've left that out.
00:21:24.640 It's not politically correct.
00:21:26.200 They've abandoned that.
00:21:27.280 Jim, what are your thoughts?
00:21:27.900 You know, John Henry, Sevald points out that although Benedict never renounced Vatican II, and he always affirmed the need for Vatican II, and there's a lot to be said about that.
00:21:43.780 He does point out that Benedict saw this thing slipping away actually in 1964, which I think was after the third meeting.
00:21:51.560 He saw where this was going, and then later he did acknowledge that things, especially with the liturgy, that that's where the real momentum was heading.
00:22:09.780 And I think you can connect, you know, that to right where we are right now.
00:22:18.460 You know, it's really interesting.
00:22:20.840 I mean, I haven't traveled in Europe extensively, but in my time at LifeSite, I think I've been on the continent four times.
00:22:29.100 And you can really see, I mean, unlike here in the U.S., or especially here like in the Diocese of Arlington, Virginia, we have a lot of really strong Novus Ordo parishes.
00:22:42.640 Well, I don't—Andreas can tell us more about that, but you don't see a lot of that in Europe anymore.
00:22:48.940 So their attempts to snuff out the Latin mass in Europe, really, you have to see that as their attempt to really just apply the coup de grace to any form of Orthodox Catholicism in Europe. 0.65
00:23:08.200 And now, you know, what is happening here?
00:23:12.420 Stunning.
00:23:13.780 Andreas, you have there in Germany anyway.
00:23:17.800 I believe people are now referring to it as the Neuer Kirche or the regular Catholic Church.
00:23:26.340 How does that spin out?
00:23:28.780 The faithful are recognizing it.
00:23:30.300 They even have given it names.
00:23:32.580 Well, certainly.
00:23:33.100 I mean, even Bishop Betzing, who is, like you mentioned, the head of the German Bishops' Conference, even he alluded to multiple times just very recently, we're just about to cover this, that, you know, we have to think the church differently.
00:23:50.480 We have to found it in a new way.
00:23:53.520 He's sort of making these insinuations at a new church.
00:23:57.920 He himself is doing it.
00:23:59.160 And I think for the faithful who are Orthodox, it's clear as day that this is a different church that they are trying to set up.
00:24:08.680 No question about it.
00:24:10.480 So you can say a lot of people call it the Synodal Church because, you know, they have the Synodal way.
00:24:15.320 And so call it the Synodal Church versus the Catholic Church.
00:24:19.080 And I think that's an accurate description of what is going on.
00:24:24.520 Well, I actually even mean among the faithful.
00:24:26.480 So I've still got cousins in Germany and relatives who tell me that they are talking about things like, oh, that's a new church, church, rather than just a regular Catholic church.
00:24:40.120 So do you find yourself among the faithful or not so faithful or, you know, just regular Catholics? 0.91
00:24:46.420 Are they themselves recognizing parish by parish what kind of church this is and sort of designating that even in their language?
00:24:53.900 Yeah, I would definitely say so.
00:24:56.520 And this is not, you know, not just Novus Ordo versus traditional Latin Mass.
00:25:00.760 I mean, there are faithful Novus Ordo parishes, obviously.
00:25:05.440 But then there are some that, you know, basically cannot go to because, you know, you're going to have a heretical sermon or whatever.
00:25:14.780 It's like, or now you have in many places in Germany, same-sex blessings in the church, right?
00:25:21.880 Blessing of same-sex couples.
00:25:23.220 So the practice is already, you know, that it's a different church.
00:25:28.640 So I think local people always know, and that's also my experience, what parishes to avoid.
00:25:35.200 And, you know, there's always these, you know, for me in Vienna as well, we have our few pockets of orthodoxy.
00:25:43.020 It's basically, it's easier to point to the churches that you can't actually go to or that they're good to go to than rather than eliminate those that you cannot go to or you should not go to.
00:25:51.720 Because it's only a few pockets of orthodoxy, unfortunately, in my experience.
00:25:58.820 I've talked about this in German.
00:25:59.780 Yeah, that's stunning.
00:26:02.680 And that's really, oh, what a shame.
00:26:06.180 There's a great app.
00:26:07.700 Jim knows this because every time we go somewhere, I go to daily mass and so does Jim.
00:26:11.640 And so we hunt for wherever we are for the daily mass times.
00:26:16.980 There's a great app called Mass Times.
00:26:18.920 It's awesome.
00:26:19.760 It tells you when, what day, you know, gets you to mass anytime, anywhere, anywhere in the world.
00:26:24.300 Well, the problem is if so many of the faith of the churches are unfaithful, are heretical now, it really, boy, we need, like, mass times to designate.
00:26:38.080 Well, yeah, this is a new church community or whatever you want to call it.
00:26:42.800 Stunning.
00:26:44.300 Jim, your take.
00:26:45.080 I think it's important to point out, I just talked about the diocese that I live in, in Arlington, Virginia.
00:26:51.500 We have 49 priest information.
00:26:53.840 We just ordained eight awesome, great young men.
00:26:57.540 That gives you confidence.
00:26:58.620 But, you know, I can drive an hour from here.
00:27:02.300 And last month, you know this, we covered a rainbow mass in the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C.
00:27:13.140 We stood out there on the sidewalk, and we had a rosary with the Tradition Family and Property, a rosary of reparation for this taking place, you know, in the nation's capital where, you know, Cardinal—
00:27:27.360 With the blessing of Cardinal Gregory.
00:27:29.600 Cardinal Gregory presides.
00:27:31.360 And who is Cardinal Gregory?
00:27:33.400 When he was installed as bishop, he had on the altar with him none other than Roger Mahoney and Cardinal Wuerl.
00:27:48.060 So, you know, and who are these two men?
00:27:50.420 Let's just be blunt about it.
00:27:52.620 These are men who protected child rapists for years.
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00:28:41.640 May God bless you.
00:28:42.160 It's truly stunning.
00:28:46.600 You know, this idea of a false mercy, a, you know, we don't want to condemn anybody.
00:28:58.580 That attitude, which now is extended toward pro-abortion politicians like Nancy Pelosi, oh, please come and receive communion, or towards, you know, homosexual activists or transgender individuals or whatever, under the guise of mercy, it's not merciful at all.
00:29:16.320 You're allowing them to go down the highway to hell, the easy road.
00:29:22.500 And so it's really an act of hatred. 0.91
00:29:24.360 But you got to think of this, that same merciful attitude was extended first to the sex abusers among the clergy.
00:29:33.800 So it was like, yeah, we don't need, remember the famous thing that we already alluded to earlier, Cardinal Daniels, who was, he was probably the first high-ranking prelate in the Catholic Church caught on tape doing cover-up for sexual abuse.
00:29:51.360 When, if anybody doesn't remember, he sat there with a sexual abuse victim who was actually recording the conversation.
00:29:59.720 And this sexual abuse victim was abused as a child by his uncle, who was a bishop friend of Cardinal Daniels.
00:30:09.660 And Cardinal Daniels can be heard on tape telling him not to go after the bishop now, he's going to retire next year, look to your own sins, he said.
00:30:21.840 And so that's a major cover-up of abuse, caught on tape, still allowed.
00:30:28.960 But this whole Church of Mercy thing, when you're dealing out mercy in that way, basically covering up for the evil, wallpapering over it, so that all of it stays there and still festers, doesn't allow them to be cleansed and to embrace Christ and his truth, is not mercy at all.
00:30:50.300 But it's actually a form of, if you will, hatred.
00:30:54.900 If you think about the eternal realities, you're encouraging people down the road to hell rather than calling them to repentance, the love of Christ, which leads to eternal bliss.
00:31:05.300 Yeah, well, you're right.
00:31:07.800 It's not really merciful, like you said, to ignore the sins of people and to not point them to redemption and to call them to redemption, which is, you know, the calling of every Catholic, but especially, you know, the bishops and priests and the Pope, first and foremost.
00:31:25.140 And, you know, to get back to the Peter Seward interview, he alluded to that as well, that Pope Francis likes to style himself as this Pope of mercy, but he really, he's an authoritarian.
00:31:38.100 That's what Seward said.
00:31:39.340 So again, very, very strong words of condemnation.
00:31:41.880 So he's very authoritarian on how he deals with things in, in, inside, but outside, he just presents himself as this merciful Pope while undermining the faith and not pointing people to their sins and to redemption, especially, of course, today, sexual sins.
00:32:00.640 I mean, that's the big, the big, biggest issue in the church today that he's trying to undermine and he's never calling people on redemption for that, you know, his famous statement, who am I to judge and all the call, all the, you know, confusion that he caused in that regard.
00:32:14.500 Now, that's actually a very interesting point, because while this kind of false mercy or whatever, this approach, sort of a laissez-faire kind of approach, accept everything and anything, is probably true of a lot of people.
00:32:34.920 Even you could say, even you could say, you could criticize Benedict allowed for too much, or even Cardinal Muller, or even, even Pope John Paul in some ways, allowed for too much, you know, in an understanding perhaps of a mercy and wanting to be nice to people and so on.
00:32:51.460 In a way, you're exactly right.
00:32:53.420 That's actually not true of Francis.
00:32:55.980 Francis actually has dealt, if you were doing it the right way, you would say properly.
00:33:03.960 But it's in the opposite direction.
00:33:07.580 So he's gotten rid of Cardinal Burke, of Cardinal Muller, of Archbishop Genswein, sort of in a way that is stunningly dismissive.
00:33:19.180 Even Cardinal Sarah, just gone you go.
00:33:22.920 We're not waiting.
00:33:24.120 We're not going to give you a special post higher up to kick you out as we, you know, raise your profile.
00:33:30.580 No, no, no.
00:33:31.160 That was the old way.
00:33:32.060 Francis is about cancellation in the way cancellation should be done against heretics, except he's playing on the other side. 0.56
00:33:41.660 So that's a stunning observation.
00:33:43.680 Truly, truly fascinating.
00:33:44.680 Well, it's an unbelievable journey to see what has come of this.
00:33:53.800 We've got to pray for, you know, Peter Zevald and many of these folks who you couldn't really call them right wing at all.
00:34:02.960 But they're coming to see the severity of what's going on in the Vatican right now.
00:34:06.860 Andreas, thank you so much for being with us.
00:34:09.640 Jim, thank you.
00:34:11.120 God bless you both.
00:34:12.700 And God bless all of you.
00:34:14.920 And we'll see you next time.
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