00:02:19.520And let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
00:02:21.260in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost amen so first of all diogo i mean
00:02:28.760this is really strange our lady says this thing but let me start with this um we just talked
00:02:38.120about this just before the show opened and it was 2007 which is a long time ago now but
00:02:43.000i remember it caused a bit of a crisis in my faith when portugal uh accepted abortion back
00:02:49.840in 2007, April of 2007. And the reason why is because of this very prophecy from Our Lady of
00:02:57.200Fatima. First of all, Our Lady of Fatima, you know, is the prophecy, if you will, the Marian
00:03:03.220prophecy in that it's not only is it acknowledged by the church, but it's the one that had the most
00:03:09.120stupendous miracle, the miracle of the sun seen by over 70,000 people. She made that prediction
00:03:16.620that prophecy, the dogma of faith will always be preserved in Portugal. So when Portugal
00:03:22.740legalized abortion, it really shook me. I was like, what in the world does that mean?
00:03:31.060I've come to grips with it. I'll tell you how in a second, but I'd love to hear your take on that,
00:03:35.780especially in light of what's gone on in Portugal with liberalism, both on the abortion side,
00:03:41.860Well, the definition of democracy is precisely that you're giving people the will to choose between good and evil.
00:03:54.180And sometimes in referendums like the one that happened in 27, the government promoted this referendum that it had failed before, a couple of years before they had done this.
00:04:06.700So this is one of the strategies of this new international regime that keeps promoting referendums until they get the answer they want.
00:04:15.520And so eventually the yes to abortion ended up winning.
00:04:19.760I think it was something like 51 to 49 percent.
00:04:25.260Portugal was already under democracy for 30 years, more or less.
00:04:29.340Most Catholics were already liberal in their core.0.82
00:04:31.720So there was not that much. The church didn't have no strength to just clearly state, no, we should not, first of all, vote in this referendum.
00:04:45.220And if we do, our position as a country should be this, because we're Catholic.
00:04:49.46080% of Portuguese still identify as Catholic.
00:04:53.680There's one problem, though. Most people won't go to church.
00:04:56.900most people will not even attend Sunday Mass.
00:05:01.620So we're talking about the majority of the country
00:05:47.020There are so many things that could be done to promote the Immaculate Heart devotion that are not being done.
00:05:54.760But if you are in Fatima, you can tell that there are these small, faithful people, either some priests, lay people like us, families, simple people that are actually keeping this alive.
00:06:12.620Like anything that our Lord teaches us, it seems like most things are, they root from a simple stem.
00:06:22.800And in Fatima, if you pay really close attention to how people are devoted to Our Lady, how most people annually, even people who are not Catholics or they don't live a faithful life, in Portugal, they still go to Fatima on the 13th of May.
00:06:40.900Right now, this is the 5th of May, we have the roads are full of pilgrims.
00:06:48.900Most of them have no clue why they're doing it.
00:06:51.300It's part of the conversion process, but they do it.
00:06:54.480So we need to distinguish between the people who decide and who are in power and promote these referendums and they can pretty much manipulate democracy as they have been doing for the past years.
00:07:06.640And then we have the real people on the ground, the real feeling and the cultural belonging to a country and identity, which is Portugal.
00:07:18.580But eventually, that's the only way you can see that this Tom of the Freight will be preserved by, and you said this, many people moving to Portugal now.
00:07:29.980Since COVID, there was a big boom, because we all know why.
00:09:09.640people that were already born as Catholics.
00:09:12.620I was converted much later when I studied theology, so I wasn't a Catholic in 2007.
00:09:19.280And so you see a lot of lives being changed and touched by Our Lady still.
00:09:25.020Yes, institutionally as a country, things are not as Our Lady promised us.
00:09:31.840And I think it's on purpose in a way, because the faith the Church is in, Pope Benedict said this,
00:09:39.180and i'm going to cite one of the new posts because in that sense i don't think he was correct the
00:09:44.960church will um definitely default into a small group a smaller group of people will keep the
00:09:52.020faith and i think the promise of our lady fits into that that was a bit of a wake-up call and
00:09:57.880that's what i came to in the end was that huh if the dogma of the faith will be preserved in
00:10:03.880Portugal, and yet the country goes pro-abortion, which means, and the referendum suggests that
00:10:10.260the majority of the country is not really pro-life, therefore not really Catholic.
00:10:15.740Oof, what does that mean? It means the answer is actually what our Lord himself said,
00:10:22.320when I return, will I find faith? In other words, will there be any? I guess there'll be a small
00:10:28.820remnant in Portugal, and God knows about everywhere else. That's pretty sobering.1.00
00:10:35.940But it's beautiful to hear you talk about traditional Catholics in Portugal. Portugal's
00:10:41.860a small-ish country. The population's not that huge. But you're mentioning in Fatima,
00:10:49.840there is a group of traditional Catholics as well. You yourself are a traditional Catholic.
00:10:56.100Yes. Well, I actually don't like the term traditional Catholic. I prefer just Catholic. I understand why we need to say that, because with all the new charismas, all the new novelties of this novel theology that came out of the council, it seems like you can be a Catholic in multiple different ways. Well, you can't. You need to be a Catholic being a Catholic. That's it.
00:11:51.160What I meant, though, was there's a traditional Latin mass community that's in Fatima.
00:11:57.620And I think for many people, that'll be interesting because I thought, oh, you know, is it spread even to these countries that are smaller?
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00:22:06.920So how do you get to the traditional Latin Mass from a regular kind of baptism?
00:22:13.940Did you sort of find the traditional Latin Mass right away or what did that look like?
00:22:20.140So, because I was studying in theology, usually people have this funny joke that you go and study theology at the Catholic faculty here in Portugal and you become not a Catholic.
00:22:31.980You become everything except a Catholic.
00:22:33.900But it actually happened the other way around.
00:26:14.220not the new church but modernism church or parishes they are infiltrated with some kind
00:26:18.620of a feminine behavior i can't explain this in english properly but there's something feminine0.61
00:26:24.640about it because mostly there's women everywhere you know at the altar they're preparing stuff
00:26:28.720the crisis of the church i think pushed men out both of the altar where they're helping the priest
00:26:36.100and also a lot of the parishes because women are in charge of everything you know so i'm not saying
00:26:41.020that women should be in charge of things don't get me wrong i'm just saying that this is a
00:26:44.980characteristic that i know identify and i studied with and i spoke to and i know so many priests
00:26:51.240that were having this behavior they're not bad people but they there's a femininity to it that
00:26:57.900is not um estovid you know they're they're not manly like uh we need to be as father of
00:27:04.700when we're living a family and so yeah i there's yeah there's a there's an interesting um comparison
00:27:12.620you can make it's it's where a church has only altar boys or they allow altar girls i've found
00:27:20.700anyway in my experience and watching this over parishes over parish life for the last you know
00:27:25.22040 years it's almost always the same if the parish introduces altar girls they will take over
00:27:34.720and the number of boys will drop off and eventually be zero we watched that at um we were members of a
00:27:41.740particularly conservative uh novus ordo parish and it went from i think there was around 50 altar
00:27:50.060boys serving. And new priest came in totally against tradition. He said he wanted a maximum
00:27:56.480of five altar servers on the altar at one time, which was different for us because we'd always
00:28:02.580had 20, 30. But then he went to the school and asked for altar girls. And basically as soon as
00:28:13.140that started, well, we withdrew our kids from serving because we'd not have that. We wouldn't
00:28:17.460have that but a lot of families must have done the same or maybe the alter boys just stopped going
00:28:22.620because they thought oh that's weird and then it was just alter girls for a little while eventually
00:28:28.060a lot of the families moved away but that tends to happen so that pattern of when it becomes
00:28:33.600feminized the boys leave the men leave and I guess some of the men take their families with them
00:28:39.040that's a real pattern that's not just characteristic of your experience that's that's a general pattern
00:28:44.700Exactly. And so when I saw doctrine was solid, and they weren't preaching stories on the sermon, they were actually talking about doctrine, giving advice and directing people. This was different because most sermons in Portugal were either stories about the gospel, they were told just like the mass, you know, the novels are the mass, it sounds like a story, then Jesus did this, and it's not told in the first person.
00:29:13.320And so with the XXPS, everything was aligned doctrinally.
00:31:47.920A lot of the evangelical, sort of strict evangelical Protestants, not only are they welcoming,
00:31:53.600but there is a community aspect that's often missing from most Catholic parishes.
00:31:59.020Even your traditional Catholic parishes, sometimes they're missing that element of community where you are able to interact with a lot of families who then exemplify a Catholic lifestyle, like you said, at the beach or in what they do in the activities they run.
00:32:19.080And it is funny because that, what you're describing, is a huge element that often is missing from the Catholic world, if you will.
00:32:32.120And hearing that it exists in your traditional community in Portugal is really beautiful because that is an element that I think attracts a lot of people.
00:32:40.300Apart from liturgy altogether, and even apart from doctrine, we need to live in community and raise our families, children, in community so that they can have healthy friendships that direct them to God instead of the other way.
00:32:57.560Yes, definitely. We have that, but I would say it always needs improvement. A parish is like purgatory. We're all there to kind of expiate our sins. You can never get along with everyone. There's always someone that opens a window and the other wants to close the window. The other wants to stay set. The other is setting up. This will happen everywhere where there are humans.
00:33:22.840And it perishes now, but I don't think it's just perishes.
00:33:26.520Life today, because of technology and the way we work and the way we live,
00:33:31.560is done in a way that it is much harder to balance with other families.
00:37:00.260And I'm not sure why the church keeps promoting these environment things.
00:37:04.480We should be promoting the ecological battle within the heart, not on the Mother Nature, which, of course, we need to treat the environment correctly.
00:37:15.180But we have so many good things to focus on.
00:37:18.920And in the end, it's hard for us, you know, lay people to how do we present ourselves to these bishops and to these priests?
00:37:26.220And this conversation is already completely out of the scope to be addressed with a bishop.
00:37:31.220They kind of think, oh, this is weird.
00:37:33.120you guys are talking about the fake families yeah so and that's a that's a difficult thing
00:37:39.820so really last question for instance it's it's a more difficult one because
00:37:44.020so i was uh a couple weeks ago i met i met uh i was with a group of guys and and uh met a guy
00:37:52.540and he wants to come into the church and you know he he's a reader and he's studied a lot
00:38:01.020and he loves the faith but he said he's he will sign on to the uh the creed and the scriptures
00:38:14.060but he doesn't know what to make of leo and he says i i i don't i don't i can't
00:38:23.280i can't get behind that he's there i have to sign on to the pope
00:38:27.780that's a challenge to answer because what do you do now you're you said you're a theologian i i'd
00:38:37.680love to hear your take on this because it is i was thrown for a loop what do you what do you
00:38:44.660respond in in that situation but what does he mean by that have you asked him a little bit
00:38:53.040I got the impression that what he was talking about was the teachings of the Church don't
00:39:00.800square with what's being taught now by Pope Leo and Pope Francis before him.
00:39:08.240But I mean, for instance, the big news here in North America, some of the big news that
00:39:14.580we get when news from the Church crosses the line of public consciousness, the last
00:39:22.400one was the death penalty stuff. You know, there's Leo quoting from the Catechism on the death
00:39:29.060penalty, which is actually opposed to the teaching of the Catholic Church on the death penalty, or
00:39:34.360has been for 2,000 years until Francis. And there's Pope Leo saying it. And so I could,
00:39:43.440that's my sense of what the guy was talking about was like, hey, I love the faith. I love the saints.
00:39:48.340i've read all about it it sounds really good but this whole thing with pope leo and what it's it's
00:39:55.820now it's not francis anymore but i i can't i can't sign up to that because it it doesn't make any
00:40:02.560sense and at that point yeah i'm like oh that's an interesting it is it is definitely we have a
00:40:10.240problem nowadays in a way that um i also have a friend now that you're telling me this there's
00:40:15.740This good friend I have, he's a friend from before he was a Catholic, and he told me when I was converting,
00:40:21.640look, if I ask a Muslim about something, or 100 Muslims, 100 people would tell me the exact same thing, approximately.
00:40:31.020We know that liberalism is already infiltrating the Islamic world as well.0.97
00:40:35.180But anyways, he was just stating a point, and you're right.0.72
00:40:39.260And in Catholics, it's kind of, everyone says one thing.0.73
00:40:42.500And the problem with the modern day popes is that they confuse people and especially not only they confuse people, they give permission for people who live in error to tell us, you see, he's applauding me, not you.0.79
00:40:59.260What you're saying is already invalid.
00:41:00.740And so we're in a position where our father on earth, which is supposedly to be the pope, is kind of being a bad father.
00:41:11.620And that's it. I made peace with that. I no longer search if popes are technically popes or not, if they are formally, informally committed heresy. What I already rested my mind on is God will fix that. I'm a lay person. This should be for cardinals and bishops to decide. And definitely, if we have material for debate, of course we have. That's why people are having discussions.
00:41:37.500I can't declare anything because I'm a layperson and the only thing that I say to people is yes
00:41:43.940you're right we unfortunately for the past 50 years we've had bad fathers in my view they they
00:41:51.520are popes they were popes but they were just a bad pope that's it now the problem with the pope
00:41:57.060is that they can only be corrected by another pope or a council and so while that happens