Canadian police 'divided' over enforcing authoritarian Trudeau policies： law enforcement veteran
Summary
Rob Stocky is a former police officer who served with the Ottawa Police Service for 13 years. In this episode, Rob talks about his time with the force, what it was like to be a police officer, and what it's like to now be a civilian.
Transcript
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Today, with all the insanity happening across North America, with laws coming out that seem
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to be totally against natural law, against justice, particularly with COVID and the prospect
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of having even the police show up at your door, trying to take your kids away, forced
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vaccination, all this seemingly on our doorstep, wanted to get an inside view from a police
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officer as to what's happening on the inside, with the police, where to go.
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There have been a lot of police who have stood up for the rights of citizens, even against
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Some of the police are actually marching with people against forced vaccination, against
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forced lockdowns, against a lot of this stuff that tramples upon people's rights.
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And we've got a former police officer with the Ottawa police.
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Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
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Thank you for your service on the Ottawa Police Force.
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Tell us, if you will, to start a little bit about your background with the police and what
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So my background is I became a police officer in 1997.
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Got to participate in a wide variety of sections.
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And the men and women I worked with are, to this day, are amongst the finest.
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There's a reason why we call our police officers the finest, and I really cherish those days
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Since leaving the police, I got into private industry.
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One is an advertising company, and the other one is a construction company.
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And I'm very happy to be in the private sector.
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I don't have, you know, I can make my own decisions.
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And so that's what I've been doing since leaving the police.
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And I've been doing a lot of volunteering as well, because as you're, you know, we've
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talked about, there's a lot of weird things going on in Canada right now, a lot of concerning
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things, and being able to speak freely is very important.
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I've been doing a lot of volunteering and working in private industry.
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We have seen across North America some of the most insane things that we've ever seen
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And a lot of it is because of really unjust laws that have been passed, particularly with
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regard to COVID right now, we saw lockdowns, we saw protests, we saw an unequal sort of
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We saw Black Lives Matter go on and do all sorts of nefarious things, violent things.
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And yet there was kind of a standoffish, let it happen attitude.
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And yet, when there's protests about the lockdowns and stuff, sometimes there was harsh enforcement.
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And so the people of, you know, who want to respect freedom, they want to believe in
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They don't go with the defund the police movement.
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Yet at the same time, there's coming a trepidation on the part of some wondering where the police
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Can you give us an inside perspective from the police officers of what they're feeling
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And having been a police officer, I'm still in contact with a lot of my former colleagues.
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We'll still talk about things the way they're happening nowadays.
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And through volunteering, I've had the privilege of having to, or getting, being able to discuss
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And the police force on this issue, to some degree, is divided, but at different levels.
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So there are some police officers who believe that their job is to enforce the law, and that's
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And if the law says this, or if they're told to do this, that's what they're going to do,
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You have to enforce laws in regards to what is the supreme law of the land.
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And if there is a law that contravenes that supreme law of the land, which in Canada is
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the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, if you are breaching that, you are putting
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yourself in jeopardy, both professionally and even civilly.
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You can be civilly liable for breaching someone's charter rights.
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So most police officers, to answer your question, are not in line with what is actually happening.
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But the degree of resistance that they're exercising in regards to what is happening
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They don't speak too much about it, but they're not going to be laying charges.
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If you go and have a beer at a friend's house, they're not going to be going through your
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They're not going to be ticketing you if you're in a demonstration.
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So this is the passive stance that some officers who are serving right now are taking.
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There's an organization called Police on Guard.
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Police on Guard is an organization of serving and active, serving and retired police officers,
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Their mission is basically to inform the public, educate the public what your rights are, what
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So that's that group that has ramped it up a bit.
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And there are other officers we've heard about them who actually quit.
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They've quit policing because they are so disgusted with some of the things that are being
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asked of them, and they know that it's illegal.
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So when you ask, you know, what are officers doing?
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Officers themselves are, you know, they're individuals, they're humans, they're not completely
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homogenous with where they are on a particular issue.
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But for the most part, most officers do not agree with what is happening right now, especially
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I would say the, you know, the ones that are halfway through their career or more, I think
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they're more apt to be aware of what is going on.
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They come from a time when policing was very, it still is a very honorable profession, but
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they didn't have these pressures that the younger officers are being exposed to for the
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first time and really aren't sure how to deal with it.
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So once again, most officers are not in line with what is happening right now, and they
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It's great to hear because, you know, honestly, people are looking to the past in when oppressive
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regimes, you know, went against the people, the freedom of the people, the rights of the
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people, and watched their, you know, the officials and military and the police just sort of go
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It's so good to see when we see, you know, officers marching with the people in freedom
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rallies against lockdowns that, that we know are harmful, et cetera, et cetera.
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In Canada, particularly, we just had a law that passed actually in the House of Commons, but
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That was so alarming that honestly, especially Christians, but anybody who was pro-family had
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a huge problem with, and these, this was a law about the transgender, non-discrimination
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But it was a law also making it illegal to have therapists help those who wished to come
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out of transgender feelings or homosexual inclinations and get help with getting rid of those that
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they didn't want, and that's now illegal or was going to be made illegal.
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But that same law had a really sinister aspect in that parents who refused to go along with
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their child's supposed want to be transgender or whatnot, be called a different pronoun, et
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cetera, et cetera, could themselves face having their child taken away and or jail time themselves.
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Again, it didn't pass the Senate, but we're looking, parents particularly, are looking at
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those laws thinking, oh my gosh, what's going to happen to us?
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You know, are the police going to come to our doors and take our children away when this
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Again, we don't want to have, we're the same ones who are not wanting to support the defund
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Many of our own sons and daughters are in the police force or, you know, primary first
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And yet at the same time, there's this fear being engendered.
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How, as a former officer, what do you make of that and how should we respond to it?
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One of the reasons politics has gotten out of hand to this point is we live in a free
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country and we have not been paying attention to what is happening politically.
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And a lot of this stuff started happening long before where we are right now.
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And people did not really pay attention or thought, you know, it's not that bad.
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And it's the ebb and flow moving forward of these types of movements that because people
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haven't really paid attention, now we are where we are.
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And some people are still not alarmed by what is going on.
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If you look online and you speak, I can't remember her name.
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There's many of doctors, by the way, but there's one in particular I'm going to quote.
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And she said something really, really profound.
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And she said, imagine you went to the hospital and asked the doctor to cut off your leg.
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The doctor would look at you and say that you have an issue.
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There's some emotional issue going on and you would receive treatment because that would
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And then you have a situation where people are coming to the hospital and asking to cut
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But you look online on YouTube and you look online at many of these programs that talk about
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people who regret these, the transitions that they've started.
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There's a movement pushing people to do these transitions.
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These are permanent transitions that have been done.
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You know, women who are now growing beards and don't want that anymore.
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And it's very sad because they're being pressured in a way or a situation, whether they're depressed
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at the time or whatever reason they're accepting this, these sort of narratives are being pushed
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They're not being told about the consequences in the future.
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But from what I've seen, the statistics are alarming that the suicide rate amongst this
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At the end of the day, one has to ask themselves, why is this happening?
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Well, I can tell you, or at least my belief is, is that this is a political movement to
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Separate us into as many possible groups as possible.
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And this is just one of many where you can start catering to certain groups who you can
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make promises to, to ease their ills or ease the way that they're feeling so they will
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Most doctors are not on side with what is happening from the ones I've talked to and
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the ones I've seen and the videos that I've seen on YouTube.
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This is something that's happening politically.
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I think it's absolutely incredible that this is happening, but it is.
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And with regard to police sort of enforcement of such things, I guess you were mentioning before,
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a number of police officers have quit the force.
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But, you know, what can they do internally to protest such a thing or to, to push back
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Is there a way for police when they're in the force to say to those who would tell them
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go and, you know, do make these arrests that, that seem to them totally wrong?
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You know, let's say C6 passed and, um, you know, the, they found a bunch of parents who
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said, you know, who were opposed, like the kids, let's make it, make a, a pretty logical
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Um, kid goes to school, um, you know, they're watching videos in school, pushing the transgender
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Uh, this child, let's say feels kind of, you know, uh, picked on at school or not as popular
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and sees this as an opportunity to become really popular.
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I think I might, let's say it's a boy who who's getting picked on and not, not very good
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And says, you know what, what if I said it was a girl and a teacher, an activist teacher
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of which there are many, um, says, yeah, you know, and encourages that, encourages that
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And eventually this boy's convinced to go for it in a bigger way because he's getting
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Perhaps the teacher's encouraging it in other students.
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And then the boy finally goes to his parents to say, you know what?
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And the parents, of course, are shocked thinking, what, where is this coming from?
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And then they're finding out more and more of this happening at school and they're starting
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The teacher then takes it up with the counselor, goes to the counselor, and they get, basically
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gets to the point where they've made a case for this at the school.
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And the, you know, the police are called in to come with social services and remove the
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Are, are the police helpless to, you know, do anything about it?
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They must just follow orders and just go along and have this happen or where does it get
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That's actually a very complex question because there are many, there are many facets in terms
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of what the police response could possibly be and what options a police officer would
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In a case, you know, let's, let's look at this.
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If, let's say a complaint came through and there's a, there's a suspicion or a, an investigation
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Because before you can make an arrest, you have to do an investigation.
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You have to have reasonable, probable, probable grounds to make that arrest in Canada.
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And so you can't just make an arrest because there's an allegation, there would have to
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So it starts with the officer who's starting the investigation.
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Does that officer believe that something, what is being asked of that officer to do is something
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You would have some officers, I can tell you right now, you would have some officers that
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would say, I have kids, I don't want this to happen, I am not going to be going forward
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with this investigation and no matter what, I'm going to write it off.
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And then you would have other officers who, you may subscribe to this, may subscribe to
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this and they may say, you know what, this is evil.
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You know, this is the, the parents should be taken away.
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The children, the children should be taken away.
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So, you know, once again, officers are individuals, they're exercising a discretion, their own biases
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The second stage is, all right, let's say there's a warrant that's issued.
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A warrant is issued for the arrest of this parent who has contravened this section.
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The parent doesn't want to come to the police station.
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Now, what about the two officers or the three officers that go in to execute the warrant?
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They may have no, they may have no idea what is the investigation is actually about.
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Are they going to, they're going to execute the warrant?
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If they're, if they're told to execute a warrant and they don't, they can be charged
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into the Police Services Act for failing, for failing to perform their duties.
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So there are, there are different facets to this question.
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You can see in this conversation how each one is affected at whatever stage of the investigation
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At the end of the day, let's look at the bigger picture.
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If you look at what happened in Germany in the 1930s and what's happening under Stalinist
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communism and what's happening in, uh, in communist countries, the state has become the prime
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The state is, supersedes what a parent, what a parent should be doing.
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And that's what, that's what certain politicians are trying to bring here.
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They're trying to make the state superior to the family unit.
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And that's dangerous because when you, when you have that, you don't have the, the, the
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You don't have the ability to raise your children properly.
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They're no longer, they may be your flesh and blood, but their personalities and their beliefs
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and their values are now shaped by the state, which has a political end to it, which is
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You, I know, have spoken with Pastor Artur Pawlowski, one of the heroic Canadian pastors who was
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forceful in his insistence that the churches stay open, that the state has no right to interfere
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with church services, that we have that protected in our charter, the right of freedom to worship.
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Yet they, you know, famously came, police famously came to his church.
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A whole bevy of officers came and he basically shouted them down and out of his church.
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Uh, he being a former, uh, is someone who lived under communism in Poland.
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And, uh, I was, I was privileged to speak with him as well.
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In that scenario, there are police officers who went there.
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Um, and so for the police, can you walk us through like the minds of police officers when
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they went, first of all, how would they have gone without a warrant to, to Artur Pawlowski's
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church? And then later on, what the arrest, what, what would have been going on there for
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Let's keep in mind that I'm not, obviously not privy to the conversations that took place
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behind the scene between those police officers.
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So I don't know, but I, from an outsider point of view and from someone who's trained
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in the tactics of policing, I can comment on that, on that angle.
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So the first thing is, is the police attending the church of Artur Pawlowski.
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Well, there's nothing that prevents the police anywhere in Canada from entering any place
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So by virtue of the church being open to the public, the police could come in.
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What the issue is, is if they're interrupting a service, if the, if the police as the state,
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as the, as representatives of the state start interrupting his service, that's a criminal
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If the service is not on at that point, can they talk to him?
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It's his, it's his property, or he's in charge of that church property.
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Sure he can, under the Trespass to Property Act, or whatever the equivalent is in, in,
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So I'm talking about Ontario's Trespass to Property Act.
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So on that, on that basis, he, he exercised his rights, and he did not cooperate, and he
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does not, he does not, obviously he doesn't believe in what is happening here, or he doesn't
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He doesn't believe that his church service should be shut down.
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Now, it's not just that he was arrested, and that's the key.
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The way he was arrested is how you treat highly dangerous criminals.
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He was arrested in a manner that we call, or in policing is called a high-risk takedown.
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You only deploy that type, when you put someone on their knees, when you're yelling at them
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commands to disable their ability to attack you, that is the process that those police
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Because they used those tactics, I can come to no other conclusion that they were designed
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to become an intimidation vehicle or an intimidation tactic that was televised for other people
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to see, for fear to be put into their people, that if you disobey, this is what's going to
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There is absolutely no reason that Pastor Arthur should have been arrested in a high-risk
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The only caveat I can give is, I obviously haven't seen the police files, but they're
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going to have to answer on why they deployed that tactic in that scenario on the road, which
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is a very dangerous place to be arresting someone in the first place, if it's not absolutely
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That's fascinating, because, I mean, hopefully a lot of people have seen the video.
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In my interview with Pastor Arthur Pavlovsky, you can check out on my channel, show channel,
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at LifeSite News and on Rumble, you will see that takedown, you will see that arrest.
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Not only put on his knees, handcuffed behind his back, dragged, literally dragged to the
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police vehicle, thrown into the back seat, and thrown in so his legs were still sticking
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out the door, because they actually had him lying down.
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And to fit into the car, he had to, like, put his head down under, or sort of behind
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the driver's seat, and then they were able to shut the door, and they drove like that
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John, just to comment on that, one of the, and this is another absolute outrage when Pastor
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As police officers, you are taught about the dangers of something called positional asphyxia.
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Because you are, you have your hands behind your back, you're put into a position that's
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not natural for you, this is not how we are positioned when we breathe, and to be on his
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stomach, and to have his head below his shoulders, with his hands behind his back, he would be
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someone who could be potentially in danger of positional asphyxia, and the officers didn't
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As a former police officer, I would never treat anyone like that, even the worst of criminals,
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because even the worst of criminals, at the end of the day, they're still human, they still
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deserve dignity, and they will be judged accordingly by someone else, not by me.
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My job is not to intimidate them, it is not to hurt them, it is not to cause them harm,
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Those officers, I hope they answer for what they have done, because that is incomprehensible,
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Is it possible that officers themselves are told to be rather severe, to make an example of this guy?
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Because if you recall at the time, even the premier is out publicly, having said, we're
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going to get the, I can't remember the exact wording, but we're going to crush the Pavlovskys
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So there was a lot of hatred in the media and by politicians being engendered toward Pastor
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Pavlovsky as a super spreader and whatever else.
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But could police be given that kind of direction from superiors or from politicians?
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I don't know whether or not that has happened in Pastor Pavlovsky's case, but officers could
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be told, we want to make a show, we want to show the public that this is what could happen
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Actually, the past weekend on Canada Day, I was speaking to Father DiRocco from Kingston
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And he summed up what is happening in very few words.
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And I have not stopped thinking about what he had said.
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And especially when it comes to police just following orders or soldiers just following
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Co-dependency is basically the cause of why some of these officers are acting the way they
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are with disregard for what they should be doing.
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Their commanders are dependent on their compliance.
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And as you move up the chain, the same applies.
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Deputy chiefs following his orders and they're dependent if they want to stay deputy chiefs and
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work under him, they're dependent on following what he has told them to do.
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So this chain continues from the very top, from the politicians, all the way down to the
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And somewhere in that chain, because this is a chain of evil in this context that we're
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talking about, following orders, there's nothing wrong with that.
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As long as it's done lawfully and legally, when it exceeds the law, when it is done outside
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I can see the dynamics on why it could have happened.
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One of the things that happened in the United States, all over the place with the Black Lives
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Matter, was this, you know, the police being condemned by them, while at the same time being
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We're seeing some of the same things happen here in Canada with regard to the First Nations
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Now, mind you, the churches that are being burned often are inside the communities of
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So they're actually inflicting harm on the First Nations people themselves, rather than,
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oh, it's a protest against, you know, the Catholic Church for having harmed the First Nations.
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They're actually harming the First Nations people.
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But in the US, there was this kind of, from some legislature, from some governors, back
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off, let the Black Lives Matter, you know, folks do what they're doing, almost as a protest.
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Tell us, if you can, give us your thoughts generally on what's going on there.
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It's, I believe that this PR campaign is very similar to what we've seen in Nazi Germany
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before 1939, like the early 30s, and when, the early to mid 30s.
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And what happened there was, when Hitler was in Germany, going for election, running for
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election, and running to be the supreme leader, there was many steps that had to be taken for
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One of the things that he had done, once he assumed a little bit of power, was to talk
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about how life in Germany could be so much better if we did A, B, C, D.
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But at the same time that he was doing that, he was causing suffering amongst his people.
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He was exacerbating the difficulties that people were having.
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He came to be popular because he created the soup kitchens.
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He created the programs to give people work and purpose.
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But at the same time, he was one that was causing it.
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And I think, to a large degree, this is what's happening in politics today.
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I think, to a large degree, if you look at things like the needle exchange, they call
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But what it is, it's actually addiction perpetuation.
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So let's take the parallel to what's happening with the churches today.
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You have criminal offenses of arson taking place.
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And you have Gerald Butts, who's talking about, oh, we can understand why that could
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And the prime minister is not talking that this is a hate crime, because it is.
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It's a targeted crime against an identifiable portion of society.
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So where I'm going with all of this is that you have a situation where it seems that it's
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politically expedient to exploit the situation that's happening with the burning of churches
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to further a political narrative and to create even more division.
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And the people who are suffering in this case are two people, are two groups of people.
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The natives, where these churches are being burned in their lands, and the Catholic church,
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You are now being vilified for being Christian for something that happened long before you
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It's also important to discuss history in the context of how it happened.
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And there's a lot to this narrative that is not being discussed.
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There are actually, you know, it may be not nice to say, sorry, not vogue to say, but there
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Look at his story on the internet about him going to residential school, how he flourished
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And then he was almost cancelled if he didn't retract his story.
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So you can see that there's political pressure on people to not talk about the other side
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There is absolute terrible things that happen in residential schools.
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We know that some of the political statements that were made by our political leaders at that
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You don't hear about Laurier's culpability in these residential schools.
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Pierre Elliott Trudeau's culpability in these schools.
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But like I said, these actions that we're seeing, the burning of churches, these are all
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They're all tied into dividing us, to making us fear one another, to making us distrust one
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And who's going to win it after this is all done?
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So it's our responsibility to pay attention to what is happening in politics.
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It's our responsibility to use our faculties of critical thinking and really evaluate what
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Or who's putting this public relations upon us?
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And we're going to be victims in the long term on the whims of someone else who has some
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very unhealthy ideas for what our future is going to hold.
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I mean, this is exactly why we created LifeSite News, to get the truth out.
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Because in all honesty, the narrative is being parroted by all of the mainstream media.
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The CRTC is chopping off anyone who would say any differently.
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They wanted to even control the whole of the internet so that Canada could China-style
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try and censor what is able to be heard by Canadians.
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Rob Stocky, it's been truly fascinating speaking with you.
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Thank you for coming on The John Henry Weston Show.
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Hi, this is John Henry Weston, the co-founder and editor-in-chief of LifeSite News.
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