The John-Henry Westen Show - Canadian police 'divided' over enforcing authoritarian Trudeau policies： law enforcement veteran

00:00:00.000 Today, with all the insanity happening across North America, with laws coming out that seem

00:00:06.300 to be totally against natural law, against justice, particularly with COVID and the prospect

00:00:12.740 of having even the police show up at your door, trying to take your kids away, forced

00:00:18.380 vaccination, all this seemingly on our doorstep, wanted to get an inside view from a police

00:00:24.320 officer as to what's happening on the inside, with the police, where to go.

00:00:29.940 There have been a lot of police who have stood up for the rights of citizens, even against

00:00:34.100 some of these tyrannical laws.

00:00:36.040 Some of the police are actually marching with people against forced vaccination, against

00:00:43.180 forced lockdowns, against a lot of this stuff that tramples upon people's rights.

00:00:47.980 And we've got a former police officer with the Ottawa police.

00:00:52.300 So you're going to want to stay tuned.

00:00:54.320 Rob Stocky, welcome to the program.

00:01:15.660 Thank you, John.

00:01:16.520 It's a pleasure to be here.

00:01:17.540 Thank you for having me.

00:01:19.140 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:01:20.920 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:01:25.280 Amen.

00:01:27.520 It is great to be with you.

00:01:29.760 Thank you for your service on the Ottawa Police Force.

00:01:34.040 Tell us, if you will, to start a little bit about your background with the police and what

00:01:38.420 you're doing now.

00:01:39.420 So my background is I became a police officer in 1997.

00:01:42.420 I was hired by the Ottawa Police.

00:01:44.160 I was with them for 13 years.

00:01:47.660 Was very lucky.

00:01:48.880 Got to participate in a wide variety of sections.

00:01:52.520 I was a motorcycle officer.

00:01:54.780 I was an underwater search and recovery diver.

00:01:57.220 I was a plainclothes officer.

00:01:58.600 I worked on patrol.

00:02:00.100 Then I was promoted to sergeant.

00:02:01.920 I became a supervisor, a road boss.

00:02:04.600 And the men and women I worked with are, to this day, are amongst the finest.

00:02:09.080 There's a reason why we call our police officers the finest, and I really cherish those days

00:02:13.360 that I was there.

00:02:14.560 Since leaving the police, I got into private industry.

00:02:17.480 I got into, I have two companies that I own.

00:02:19.660 One is an advertising company, and the other one is a construction company.

00:02:22.840 And I'm very happy to be in the private sector.

00:02:26.060 I don't have, you know, I can make my own decisions.

00:02:28.120 I'm not subject to somebody else's whim.

00:02:31.980 And so that's what I've been doing since leaving the police.

00:02:34.880 And I've been doing a lot of volunteering as well, because as you're, you know, we've

00:02:40.380 talked about, there's a lot of weird things going on in Canada right now, a lot of concerning

00:02:44.100 things, and being able to speak freely is very important.

00:02:47.520 And so that's what I've been doing since.

00:02:48.860 I've been doing a lot of volunteering and working in private industry.

00:02:52.100 We have seen across North America some of the most insane things that we've ever seen

00:02:57.020 in our lifetimes.

00:02:58.880 And a lot of it is because of really unjust laws that have been passed, particularly with

00:03:04.760 regard to COVID right now, we saw lockdowns, we saw protests, we saw an unequal sort of

00:03:12.320 treatment in the United States.

00:03:14.560 We saw Black Lives Matter go on and do all sorts of nefarious things, violent things. 1.00

00:03:21.220 And yet there was kind of a standoffish, let it happen attitude.

00:03:25.080 And yet, when there's protests about the lockdowns and stuff, sometimes there was harsh enforcement.

00:03:31.340 So a big inequality that we saw there.

00:03:35.640 And so the people of, you know, who want to respect freedom, they want to believe in

00:03:43.320 their police officers.

00:03:44.240 They don't go with the defund the police movement.

00:03:47.600 They want to support the police.

00:03:49.120 Yet at the same time, there's coming a trepidation on the part of some wondering where the police

00:03:55.200 are going to go.

00:03:56.400 Can you give us an inside perspective from the police officers of what they're feeling

00:04:03.780 at this time?

00:04:04.440 Because there's so much confusion right now.

00:04:06.760 There is a lot of confusion.

00:04:08.320 And having been a police officer, I'm still in contact with a lot of my former colleagues.

00:04:13.520 We're still friends.

00:04:14.660 We'll still have a beer together.

00:04:15.800 We'll still talk about things the way they're happening nowadays.

00:04:18.120 And through volunteering, I've had the privilege of having to, or getting, being able to discuss

00:04:25.800 what is going on with other police officers.

00:04:27.440 So I still keep in contact.

00:04:29.380 And the police force on this issue, to some degree, is divided, but at different levels.

00:04:35.840 So there are some police officers who believe that their job is to enforce the law, and that's

00:04:41.840 it.

00:04:42.060 And if the law says this, or if they're told to do this, that's what they're going to do,

00:04:46.060 because that's what they're supposed to do.

00:04:49.040 That is wrong.

00:04:50.160 You have to enforce laws in regards to what is the supreme law of the land.

00:04:56.120 And if there is a law that contravenes that supreme law of the land, which in Canada is

00:05:00.100 the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, if you are breaching that, you are putting

00:05:03.640 yourself in jeopardy, both professionally and even civilly.

00:05:08.520 You can be civilly liable for breaching someone's charter rights.

00:05:10.980 There is case law for that.

00:05:13.380 So most police officers, to answer your question, are not in line with what is actually happening.

00:05:21.080 But the degree of resistance that they're exercising in regards to what is happening

00:05:25.600 is different.

00:05:26.760 Some officers are very passive.

00:05:28.200 They don't speak too much about it, but they're not going to be laying charges.

00:05:30.940 If you go and have a beer at a friend's house, they're not going to be going through your

00:05:33.980 door.

00:05:34.500 They're not going to be ticketing you if you're in a demonstration.

00:05:37.980 So this is the passive stance that some officers who are serving right now are taking.

00:05:43.640 Others have ramped it up a bit.

00:05:44.780 They're joining organizations.

00:05:45.760 They're volunteering.

00:05:46.620 There's an organization called Police on Guard.

00:05:48.820 Police on Guard is an organization of serving and active, serving and retired police officers,

00:05:54.780 corrections officers, military, et cetera.

00:05:56.600 This is a fantastic group.

00:05:58.140 Their mission is basically to inform the public, educate the public what your rights are, what

00:06:02.640 the charter says.

00:06:03.440 So that's that group that has ramped it up a bit.

00:06:06.980 And there are other officers we've heard about them who actually quit.

00:06:09.840 They've quit policing because they are so disgusted with some of the things that are being

00:06:13.560 asked of them, and they know that it's illegal.

00:06:16.320 So when you ask, you know, what are officers doing?

00:06:19.580 Officers themselves are, you know, they're individuals, they're humans, they're not completely

00:06:22.700 homogenous with where they are on a particular issue.

00:06:25.780 But for the most part, most officers do not agree with what is happening right now, especially

00:06:32.280 I would say the, you know, the ones that are halfway through their career or more, I think

00:06:37.700 they're more apt to be aware of what is going on.

00:06:41.320 They come from a time when policing was very, it still is a very honorable profession, but

00:06:47.040 they didn't have these pressures that the younger officers are being exposed to for the

00:06:50.620 first time and really aren't sure how to deal with it.

00:06:52.460 So once again, most officers are not in line with what is happening right now, and they

00:06:57.820 are not, they are not, they're not on board.

00:07:00.800 It's great to hear because, you know, honestly, people are looking to the past in when oppressive

00:07:07.840 regimes, you know, went against the people, the freedom of the people, the rights of the

00:07:12.620 people, and watched their, you know, the officials and military and the police just sort of go

00:07:18.600 along with the program.

00:07:19.480 It's so good to see when we see, you know, officers marching with the people in freedom

00:07:25.920 rallies against lockdowns that, that we know are harmful, et cetera, et cetera.

00:07:29.860 There's another issue.

00:07:31.840 In Canada, particularly, we just had a law that passed actually in the House of Commons, but

00:07:38.800 didn't pass the Senate.

00:07:39.720 So, but it came really close.

00:07:40.920 That was so alarming that honestly, especially Christians, but anybody who was pro-family had 1.00

00:07:48.000 a huge problem with, and these, this was a law about the transgender, non-discrimination

00:07:55.580 against transgender people. 1.00

00:07:56.760 But it was a law also making it illegal to have therapists help those who wished to come

00:08:05.140 out of transgender feelings or homosexual inclinations and get help with getting rid of those that 1.00

00:08:13.140 they didn't want, and that's now illegal or was going to be made illegal.

00:08:17.780 But that same law had a really sinister aspect in that parents who refused to go along with

00:08:25.500 their child's supposed want to be transgender or whatnot, be called a different pronoun, et

00:08:31.980 cetera, et cetera, could themselves face having their child taken away and or jail time themselves.

00:08:37.280 Those kinds of things are mind-blowing.

00:08:40.560 Again, it didn't pass the Senate, but we're looking, parents particularly, are looking at

00:08:46.740 those laws thinking, oh my gosh, what's going to happen to us?

00:08:50.940 You know, are the police going to come to our doors and take our children away when this

00:08:55.940 is complete insanity?

00:08:58.160 What are parents supposed to think?

00:08:59.760 Again, we don't want to have, we're the same ones who are not wanting to support the defund

00:09:06.520 the police.

00:09:07.100 We're wanting to support our police.

00:09:08.580 Many of our own sons and daughters are in the police force or, you know, primary first

00:09:15.840 responders, if you want to call it.

00:09:17.640 And yet at the same time, there's this fear being engendered.

00:09:21.740 How, as a former officer, what do you make of that and how should we respond to it?

00:09:27.480 First of all, it's a very political issue.

00:09:29.260 We have to be truthful here.

00:09:32.340 One of the reasons politics has gotten out of hand to this point is we live in a free

00:09:38.100 country and we have not been paying attention to what is happening politically.

00:09:42.540 And a lot of this stuff started happening long before where we are right now.

00:09:47.520 And people did not really pay attention or thought, you know, it's not that bad.

00:09:51.500 And it's the ebb and flow moving forward of these types of movements that because people

00:09:58.900 haven't really paid attention, now we are where we are.

00:10:01.420 And some people are still not alarmed by what is going on.

00:10:04.280 If you look online and you speak, I can't remember her name.

00:10:07.660 There's many of doctors, by the way, but there's one in particular I'm going to quote.

00:10:10.460 And she said something really, really profound.

00:10:13.800 And she said, imagine you went to the hospital and asked the doctor to cut off your leg.

00:10:19.200 The doctor would look at you and say that you have an issue. 0.99

00:10:22.460 You have a mental issue.

00:10:23.660 There's some emotional issue going on and you would receive treatment because that would

00:10:28.180 not be, that would not serve you well in life.

00:10:31.400 And then you have a situation where people are coming to the hospital and asking to cut 0.97

00:10:35.460 off their genitals. 0.98

00:10:36.500 And politically that's being accepted. 0.98

00:10:38.340 Okay, well, we're going to do that for you.

00:10:40.320 But you look online on YouTube and you look online at many of these programs that talk about

00:10:46.240 people who regret these, the transitions that they've started.

00:10:49.560 There's a movement pushing people to do these transitions.

00:10:54.460 And when it's too late, they can't be fixed.

00:10:56.940 These are permanent transitions that have been done.

00:10:59.600 You know, women who are now growing beards and don't want that anymore. 1.00

00:11:03.120 And it's too late.

00:11:04.320 And it's very sad because they're being pressured in a way or a situation, whether they're depressed

00:11:11.540 at the time or whatever reason they're accepting this, these sort of narratives are being pushed

00:11:17.980 in school.

00:11:18.560 Children are learning that it's okay.

00:11:20.860 They're not being told about the consequences in the future.

00:11:24.380 Then they're stuck.

00:11:25.920 And unfortunately, I don't have statistics.

00:11:28.020 But from what I've seen, the statistics are alarming that the suicide rate amongst this

00:11:33.700 population is very, very high.

00:11:35.420 The regret is through the roof.

00:11:37.500 It's extremely high.

00:11:39.000 And it's very alarming that this is happening.

00:11:41.860 At the end of the day, one has to ask themselves, why is this happening?

00:11:44.960 Well, I can tell you, or at least my belief is, is that this is a political movement to

00:11:51.000 divide us.

00:11:52.100 It's to divide the population.

00:11:54.100 Separate us into as many possible groups as possible.

00:11:57.020 Leave no stone unturned.

00:11:58.260 And this is just one of many where you can start catering to certain groups who you can

00:12:02.940 make promises to, to ease their ills or ease the way that they're feeling so they will

00:12:07.780 vote for you.

00:12:08.380 And that is what is happening.

00:12:09.220 We have politics that is being divided.

00:12:11.680 This is not a medical issue.

00:12:13.160 Most doctors are not on side with what is happening from the ones I've talked to and

00:12:16.780 the ones I've seen and the videos that I've seen on YouTube.

00:12:19.400 But they seem powerless.

00:12:21.960 This is something that's happening politically.

00:12:23.820 They're following suit.

00:12:25.100 So I think it's alarming personally, John.

00:12:27.420 I think it's absolutely incredible that this is happening, but it is.

00:12:31.980 And with regard to police sort of enforcement of such things, I guess you were mentioning before,

00:12:37.540 a number of police officers have quit the force.

00:12:40.160 But, you know, what can they do internally to protest such a thing or to, to push back

00:12:47.160 even internally on such matters?

00:12:49.840 Is there a way for police when they're in the force to say to those who would tell them

00:12:56.180 go and, you know, do make these arrests that, that seem to them totally wrong?

00:13:00.440 You know, let's say C6 passed and, um, you know, the, they found a bunch of parents who

00:13:06.540 said, you know, who were opposed, like the kids, let's make it, make a, a pretty logical

00:13:11.700 scenario.

00:13:12.760 Um, kid goes to school, um, you know, they're watching videos in school, pushing the transgender 1.00

00:13:18.680 ideology.

00:13:19.660 Uh, this child, let's say feels kind of, you know, uh, picked on at school or not as popular

00:13:25.220 and sees this as an opportunity to become really popular.

00:13:29.060 Uh, by the way, that's very common nowadays.

00:13:32.460 You have this child say, you know what?

00:13:34.920 I think I might, let's say it's a boy who who's getting picked on and not, not very good

00:13:40.000 at sports or whatever.

00:13:40.720 And says, you know what, what if I said it was a girl and a teacher, an activist teacher

00:13:46.060 of which there are many, um, says, yeah, you know, and encourages that, encourages that

00:13:50.640 over weeks and months.

00:13:52.880 And eventually this boy's convinced to go for it in a bigger way because he's getting

00:13:58.060 that adulation from the teacher.

00:13:59.660 Perhaps the teacher's encouraging it in other students.

00:14:02.420 And then the boy finally goes to his parents to say, you know what?

00:14:06.420 I think I'm a girl, blah, blah, blah.

00:14:07.780 And the parents, of course, are shocked thinking, what, where is this coming from?

00:14:11.980 Opposed to this.

00:14:13.020 And then they're finding out more and more of this happening at school and they're starting

00:14:17.240 to fight it now.

00:14:18.020 The teacher then takes it up with the counselor, goes to the counselor, and they get, basically

00:14:22.460 gets to the point where they've made a case for this at the school.

00:14:26.560 And the, you know, the police are called in to come with social services and remove the

00:14:31.220 child from the parents' home.

00:14:33.660 What, what happens in that scenario?

00:14:35.800 Are, are the police helpless to, you know, do anything about it?

00:14:39.140 They must just follow orders and just go along and have this happen or where does it get

00:14:43.500 to?

00:14:43.700 How does it work on the inside?

00:14:44.700 That's actually a very complex question because there are many, there are many facets in terms

00:14:49.140 of what the police response could possibly be and what options a police officer would

00:14:53.140 have.

00:14:53.980 In a case, you know, let's, let's look at this.

00:14:56.480 If, let's say a complaint came through and there's a, there's a suspicion or a, an investigation

00:15:02.260 that has to be done.

00:15:03.840 Because before you can make an arrest, you have to do an investigation.

00:15:06.680 You have to have reasonable, probable, probable grounds to make that arrest in Canada.

00:15:10.020 And so you can't just make an arrest because there's an allegation, there would have to

00:15:14.360 be an investigation that was completed.

00:15:17.140 So it starts with the officer who's starting the investigation.

00:15:20.540 Is that officer going to do the investigation?

00:15:22.700 Does that officer have a bias?

00:15:23.840 Does that officer believe that something, what is being asked of that officer to do is something

00:15:29.500 that should not be legal?

00:15:31.520 You would have some officers, I can tell you right now, you would have some officers that

00:15:35.180 would say, I have kids, I don't want this to happen, I am not going to be going forward

00:15:40.200 with this investigation and no matter what, I'm going to write it off.

00:15:43.420 And then you would have other officers who, you may subscribe to this, may subscribe to

00:15:49.580 this and they may say, you know what, this is evil.

00:15:52.360 You know, this is the, the parents should be taken away.

00:15:55.600 The children, the children should be taken away.

00:15:57.300 The parents should be charged and go to jail.

00:15:59.860 So, you know, once again, officers are individuals, they're exercising a discretion, their own biases

00:16:04.440 and experiences.

00:16:05.360 So that's the first stage.

00:16:06.700 What happens in the investigation?

00:16:07.960 The second stage is, all right, let's say there's a warrant that's issued.

00:16:12.420 Now we have a different set of circumstances.

00:16:14.460 A warrant is issued for the arrest of this parent who has contravened this section.

00:16:18.940 The parent doesn't want to come to the police station.

00:16:20.940 They don't want to turn themselves in.

00:16:23.020 Next thing you know, there's a warrant.

00:16:24.440 Now, what about the two officers or the three officers that go in to execute the warrant?

00:16:28.500 They may have no, they may have no idea what is the investigation is actually about.

00:16:32.660 They may have no idea what took place.

00:16:34.780 All they see is an arrest warrant.

00:16:36.160 So they may have some background on the case.

00:16:38.540 Are they going to, they're going to execute the warrant?

00:16:43.120 Well, they really don't have a choice.

00:16:44.600 They're compelled to execute the warrant.

00:16:46.580 So in that case, they don't, they have no say.

00:16:49.360 If they're, if they're told to execute a warrant and they don't, they can be charged

00:16:52.400 into the Police Services Act for failing, for failing to perform their duties.

00:16:56.240 So there are, there are different facets to this question.

00:16:59.060 You can see in this conversation how each one is affected at whatever stage of the investigation

00:17:04.360 or the arrest.

00:17:05.580 At the end of the day, let's look at the bigger picture.

00:17:08.220 If you look at what happened in Germany in the 1930s and what's happening under Stalinist

00:17:12.820 communism and what's happening in, uh, in communist countries, the state has become the prime

00:17:19.020 educator of the children.

00:17:20.700 The state is, supersedes what a parent, what a parent should be doing.

00:17:25.660 And that is enshrined in their laws.

00:17:28.280 And that's what, that's what certain politicians are trying to bring here. 1.00

00:17:31.540 They're trying to make the state superior to the family unit.

00:17:34.460 And that's dangerous because when you, when you have that, you don't have the, the, the

00:17:40.180 ability to take on the state.

00:17:42.080 You don't have the ability to raise your children properly.

00:17:44.300 The children are no longer really yours.

00:17:45.840 They're no longer, they may be your flesh and blood, but their personalities and their beliefs

00:17:49.660 and their values are now shaped by the state, which has a political end to it, which is

00:17:55.480 very dangerous.

00:17:56.720 You, I know, have spoken with Pastor Artur Pawlowski, one of the heroic Canadian pastors who was

00:18:03.460 forceful in his insistence that the churches stay open, that the state has no right to interfere

00:18:12.280 with church services, that we have that protected in our charter, the right of freedom to worship.

00:18:18.320 Yet they, you know, famously came, police famously came to his church.

00:18:23.120 He yelled at them to get out.

00:18:24.920 They had no warrant.

00:18:26.240 And, and they did leave.

00:18:27.440 Actually, that was quite something.

00:18:28.740 A whole bevy of officers came and he basically shouted them down and out of his church.

00:18:33.340 Uh, he being a former, uh, is someone who lived under communism in Poland.

00:18:38.940 And, uh, I was, I was privileged to speak with him as well.

00:18:41.740 In that scenario, there are police officers who went there.

00:18:44.800 He was later arrested on the highway.

00:18:48.020 Um, and so for the police, can you walk us through like the minds of police officers when

00:18:54.280 they went, first of all, how would they have gone without a warrant to, to Artur Pawlowski's

00:19:00.400 church? And then later on, what the arrest, what, what would have been going on there for

00:19:05.940 the police?

00:19:06.560 Let's keep in mind that I'm not, obviously not privy to the conversations that took place

00:19:10.680 behind the scene between those police officers.

00:19:12.540 So I don't know, but I, from an outsider point of view and from someone who's trained

00:19:17.120 in the tactics of policing, I can comment on that, on that angle.

00:19:21.600 So the first thing is, is the police attending the church of Artur Pawlowski.

00:19:26.160 Well, there's nothing that prevents the police anywhere in Canada from entering any place

00:19:31.200 that any member of the public can enter.

00:19:33.400 So by virtue of the church being open to the public, the police could come in.

00:19:38.180 There's nothing stopping them from doing it.

00:19:40.020 What the issue is, is if they're interrupting a service, if the, if the police as the state,

00:19:44.980 as the, as representatives of the state start interrupting his service, that's a criminal

00:19:49.520 offense.

00:19:50.020 They can't do that.

00:19:51.220 So can they come in?

00:19:52.840 Yes.

00:19:53.260 If the service is not on at that point, can they talk to him?

00:19:55.520 Sure they can.

00:19:56.820 It's his, it's his property, or he's in charge of that church property.

00:19:59.740 Can he have them ejected?

00:20:01.300 Sure he can, under the Trespass to Property Act, or whatever the equivalent is in, in,

00:20:05.120 in Alberta.

00:20:06.500 So I'm talking about Ontario's Trespass to Property Act.

00:20:08.940 So on that, on that basis, he, he exercised his rights, and he did not cooperate, and he

00:20:15.360 does not, he does not, obviously he doesn't believe in what is happening here, or he doesn't

00:20:19.720 believe in the narrative of COVID.

00:20:21.160 He doesn't believe that his church service should be shut down.

00:20:23.600 And I'm sure we, I completely agree with him.

00:20:25.980 I think he's a hero.

00:20:27.100 So what was the next step?

00:20:28.940 He was arrested.

00:20:30.020 He was arrested on the street while driving.

00:20:32.600 Now, it's not just that he was arrested, and that's the key.

00:20:36.700 It's not just that he was arrested.

00:20:38.780 The way he was arrested is key.

00:20:41.400 The way he was arrested is how you treat highly dangerous criminals.

00:20:44.820 He was arrested in a manner that we call, or in policing is called a high-risk takedown.

00:20:49.140 You only deploy that type, when you put someone on their knees, when you're yelling at them

00:20:54.920 commands to disable their ability to attack you, that is the process that those police

00:20:59.000 officers used to arrest Pastor Pavlovsky.

00:21:02.560 Because they used those tactics, I can come to no other conclusion that they were designed

00:21:09.040 to become an intimidation vehicle or an intimidation tactic that was televised for other people

00:21:16.000 to see, for fear to be put into their people, that if you disobey, this is what's going to

00:21:22.440 happen to you.

00:21:23.440 There is absolutely no reason that Pastor Arthur should have been arrested in a high-risk

00:21:28.620 takedown.

00:21:29.680 The only caveat I can give is, I obviously haven't seen the police files, but they're

00:21:34.980 going to have to answer on why they deployed that tactic in that scenario on the road, which

00:21:40.080 is a very dangerous place to be arresting someone in the first place, if it's not absolutely

00:21:44.420 necessary.

00:21:45.500 That's fascinating, because, I mean, hopefully a lot of people have seen the video.

00:21:49.760 In my interview with Pastor Arthur Pavlovsky, you can check out on my channel, show channel,

00:21:55.100 at LifeSite News and on Rumble, you will see that takedown, you will see that arrest.

00:22:01.620 It was brutal.

00:22:03.020 Not only put on his knees, handcuffed behind his back, dragged, literally dragged to the

00:22:07.900 police vehicle, thrown into the back seat, and thrown in so his legs were still sticking

00:22:13.160 out the door, because they actually had him lying down.

00:22:15.700 And to fit into the car, he had to, like, put his head down under, or sort of behind

00:22:21.820 the driver's seat, and then they were able to shut the door, and they drove like that

00:22:26.240 for a long time until he got to the jail.

00:22:29.460 Just absolutely unreal.

00:22:31.380 John, just to comment on that, one of the, and this is another absolute outrage when Pastor

00:22:39.260 Arthur was put in that position.

00:22:40.740 As police officers, you are taught about the dangers of something called positional asphyxia.

00:22:46.640 Because you are, you have your hands behind your back, you're put into a position that's

00:22:51.320 not natural for you, this is not how we are positioned when we breathe, and to be on his

00:22:55.940 stomach, and to have his head below his shoulders, with his hands behind his back, he would be

00:23:02.120 someone who could be potentially in danger of positional asphyxia, and the officers didn't

00:23:06.580 seem to care.

00:23:07.560 I mean, this is extremely alarming.

00:23:09.680 As a former police officer, I would never treat anyone like that, even the worst of criminals,

00:23:14.720 because even the worst of criminals, at the end of the day, they're still human, they still

00:23:18.740 deserve dignity, and they will be judged accordingly by someone else, not by me.

00:23:22.020 My job is not to intimidate them, it is not to hurt them, it is not to cause them harm,

00:23:26.980 and that's what was happening on that day.

00:23:28.960 Those officers, I hope they answer for what they have done, because that is incomprehensible,

00:23:34.440 and it is just unacceptable.

00:23:35.960 Is it possible that officers themselves are told to be rather severe, to make an example of this guy?

00:23:44.260 Because if you recall at the time, even the premier is out publicly, having said, we're

00:23:50.740 going to get the, I can't remember the exact wording, but we're going to crush the Pavlovskys 1.00

00:23:55.880 or something like that.

00:23:58.560 So there was a lot of hatred in the media and by politicians being engendered toward Pastor

00:24:05.400 Pavlovsky as a super spreader and whatever else.

00:24:09.320 But could police be given that kind of direction from superiors or from politicians?

00:24:15.000 Has that ever happened?

00:24:16.360 Yes, it is possible that that has happened.

00:24:18.760 That certainly could happen.

00:24:20.380 I don't know whether or not that has happened in Pastor Pavlovsky's case, but officers could

00:24:25.520 be told, we want to make a show, we want to show the public that this is what could happen

00:24:32.220 to them if they're going to defy us.

00:24:34.480 So it's very possible that that had happened.

00:24:37.120 Actually, the past weekend on Canada Day, I was speaking to Father DiRocco from Kingston

00:24:44.240 and he is an absolutely brilliant man.

00:24:48.580 And he summed up what is happening in very few words.

00:24:52.680 And I have not stopped thinking about what he had said.

00:24:56.000 And especially when it comes to police just following orders or soldiers just following

00:24:59.660 orders, he had talked about co-dependency.

00:25:03.820 Co-dependency is basically the cause of why some of these officers are acting the way they

00:25:08.820 are with disregard for what they should be doing.

00:25:12.060 It's because they're co-dependent.

00:25:13.880 They're dependent on their employment.

00:25:16.480 Their commanders are dependent on their compliance.

00:25:19.440 And as you move up the chain, the same applies.

00:25:22.400 Deputy chiefs following his orders and they're dependent if they want to stay deputy chiefs and

00:25:26.380 work under him, they're dependent on following what he has told them to do.

00:25:30.780 So this chain continues from the very top, from the politicians, all the way down to the

00:25:36.340 officer on the road.

00:25:37.540 And somewhere in that chain, because this is a chain of evil in this context that we're

00:25:41.880 talking about, following orders, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:25:44.400 As long as it's done lawfully and legally, when it exceeds the law, when it is done outside

00:25:50.100 of the law, that's when there's a problem.

00:25:52.240 And somewhere that chain has to be broken.

00:25:54.400 Like, you absolutely have to break that chain.

00:25:56.500 So yes, it is possible what has happened.

00:25:58.860 I can see the dynamics on why it could have happened.

00:26:01.400 But anyway, it's a mess.

00:26:04.540 One of the things that happened in the United States, all over the place with the Black Lives 1.00

00:26:09.540 Matter, was this, you know, the police being condemned by them, while at the same time being

00:26:17.040 told to back off on real illegal activity.

00:26:20.220 We're seeing some of the same things happen here in Canada with regard to the First Nations

00:26:26.060 people and the burning of churches.

00:26:28.920 Now, mind you, the churches that are being burned often are inside the communities of

00:26:34.980 the First Nations people.

00:26:35.820 So they're actually inflicting harm on the First Nations people themselves, rather than,

00:26:41.740 oh, it's a protest against, you know, the Catholic Church for having harmed the First Nations.

00:26:45.820 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:26:46.620 They're actually harming the First Nations people. 0.98

00:26:48.920 But in the US, there was this kind of, from some legislature, from some governors, back

00:26:54.000 off, let the Black Lives Matter, you know, folks do what they're doing, almost as a protest.

00:27:00.320 And it's good and fine and wonderful.

00:27:01.620 Please back off.

00:27:02.760 Tell us, if you can, give us your thoughts generally on what's going on there.

00:27:05.820 That would be great.

00:27:06.680 There's certainly a movement going on.

00:27:08.320 It's part of a PR campaign.

00:27:12.000 It's, I believe that this PR campaign is very similar to what we've seen in Nazi Germany 0.86

00:27:19.720 before 1939, like the early 30s, and when, the early to mid 30s.

00:27:25.560 And what happened there was, when Hitler was in Germany, going for election, running for 0.71

00:27:31.480 election, and running to be the supreme leader, there was many steps that had to be taken for

00:27:36.460 him to solidify his power.

00:27:38.280 One of the things that he had done, once he assumed a little bit of power, was to talk

00:27:43.400 about how life in Germany could be so much better if we did A, B, C, D.

00:27:49.560 But at the same time that he was doing that, he was causing suffering amongst his people.

00:27:53.840 He was exacerbating the hunger situation.

00:27:55.820 He was exacerbating the difficulties that people were having.

00:28:02.440 He came to be popular because he created the soup kitchens.

00:28:05.760 He created the bread lines.

00:28:07.400 He created the programs to give people work and purpose.

00:28:11.500 But at the same time, he was one that was causing it.

00:28:13.580 And I think, to a large degree, this is what's happening in politics today.

00:28:17.880 I think, to a large degree, if you look at things like the needle exchange, they call

00:28:24.420 it harm reduction.

00:28:25.400 But what it is, it's actually addiction perpetuation.

00:28:28.800 So let's take the parallel to what's happening with the churches today.

00:28:31.460 You have the churches being burned down.

00:28:34.320 You have vandalism.

00:28:35.440 You have criminal offenses of arson taking place.

00:28:38.480 And you have Gerald Butts, who's talking about, oh, we can understand why that could

00:28:42.600 have happened.

00:28:43.660 That's his statement on it. 0.98

00:28:45.080 It's absolutely ridiculous. 0.97

00:28:47.020 And the prime minister is not talking that this is a hate crime, because it is. 0.96

00:28:51.140 It's a targeted crime against an identifiable portion of society.

00:28:56.560 And that is wrong.

00:28:57.780 That is a hate crime.

00:28:58.740 And that's not how it's being talked about.

00:29:00.640 So where I'm going with all of this is that you have a situation where it seems that it's

00:29:07.780 politically expedient to exploit the situation that's happening with the burning of churches

00:29:12.660 to further a political narrative and to create even more division.

00:29:18.180 And the people who are suffering in this case are two people, are two groups of people.

00:29:22.920 The natives, where these churches are being burned in their lands, and the Catholic church, 1.00

00:29:29.600 the people who are Catholic.

00:29:30.840 You are now being vilified for being Christian for something that happened long before you

00:29:36.360 were born.

00:29:37.340 You had no part in this.

00:29:39.360 And now you are being made to suffer.

00:29:41.640 It's important to remember history.

00:29:43.940 It's important to discuss history.

00:29:45.880 It's also important to discuss history in the context of how it happened.

00:29:50.720 And there's a lot to this narrative that is not being discussed.

00:29:53.480 There are actually, you know, it may be not nice to say, sorry, not vogue to say, but there

00:30:02.300 are people such as Thomas Highway.

00:30:04.880 Look at his story on the internet about him going to residential school, how he flourished

00:30:09.780 going to residential school.

00:30:11.660 If you talk about that today, you're vilified.

00:30:13.880 They'll try to cancel you.

00:30:16.200 But that is his story.

00:30:17.380 And he came out fully telling his story.

00:30:19.580 And then he was almost cancelled if he didn't retract his story.

00:30:22.720 So you can see that there's political pressure on people to not talk about the other side

00:30:27.740 of this.

00:30:28.460 There is absolute terrible things that happen in residential schools. 0.77

00:30:31.540 We can't deny that.

00:30:32.880 We know that that happened.

00:30:34.380 We know that some of the political statements that were made by our political leaders at that

00:30:37.400 time, liberals and conservatives, both.

00:30:41.380 You don't hear the liberal side.

00:30:42.480 They only talk about Sir Johnny MacDonald.

00:30:44.880 You don't hear about Laurier's culpability in these residential schools.

00:30:51.000 Pierre Elliott Trudeau's culpability in these schools.

00:30:53.260 They never talk about that.

00:30:54.880 But like I said, these actions that we're seeing, the burning of churches, these are all

00:30:59.300 political narratives.

00:31:00.540 They're all tied into dividing us, to making us fear one another, to making us distrust one

00:31:07.660 another.

00:31:08.880 And who's going to win it after this is all done?

00:31:11.780 The politicians, by dividing us.

00:31:13.700 So it's our responsibility to pay attention to what is happening in politics.

00:31:17.860 It's our responsibility to use our faculties of critical thinking and really evaluate what

00:31:24.820 is happening.

00:31:25.860 Who's, where's this coming from?

00:31:27.800 Who's forcing us to have this message?

00:31:29.580 Or who's putting this message upon us?

00:31:31.040 Or who's putting this public relations upon us?

00:31:32.940 And what is their end goal?

00:31:34.840 We absolutely have to do that.

00:31:36.280 Otherwise, we're not paying attention.

00:31:38.900 And we're going to be victims in the long term on the whims of someone else who has some

00:31:42.760 very unhealthy ideas for what our future is going to hold.

00:31:46.480 Rob Stocky, truly fascinating.

00:31:47.900 I mean, this is exactly why we created LifeSite News, to get the truth out.

00:31:51.320 Because in all honesty, the narrative is being parroted by all of the mainstream media.

00:31:56.840 The CRTC is chopping off anyone who would say any differently.

00:32:00.160 They wanted to even control the whole of the internet so that Canada could China-style 0.97

00:32:06.060 try and censor what is able to be heard by Canadians.

00:32:10.380 Absolutely unbelievable.

00:32:11.760 Thanks be to God that didn't pass the Senate.

00:32:14.240 But we'll see.

00:32:15.680 Rob Stocky, it's been truly fascinating speaking with you.

00:32:18.040 Thank you for coming on The John Henry Weston Show.

00:32:20.180 Thank you so much.

00:32:20.900 Have a great day.

00:32:21.680 God bless you.

00:32:22.360 God bless you too.

00:32:23.620 And God bless all of you.

00:32:25.020 And we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - July 30, 2021

Canadian police 'divided' over enforcing authoritarian Trudeau policies： law enforcement veteran

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