The John-Henry Westen Show - Canadian professor： I was fired for saying healthy children don't need COVID jabs

00:00:00.000 Hello, friends. I've got someone back here who's really special, one of those canceled doctors who

00:00:06.060 stood up for truth, who stood up for, really, for faith and freedom in the country of Canada.

00:00:12.540 He was a celebrated doctor and surgeon. His name is Dr. Francis Christian.

00:00:18.920 Stay tuned to this episode of The John Henry Weston Show.

00:00:30.000 Francis, good to have you back again.

00:00:41.540 And it's very good to be here, John Henry. It's a great privilege to be on your show.

00:00:47.240 I have the greatest respect and regard for the great work you're doing for the kingdom of God.

00:00:53.620 Praise the Lord. Thank you for that. Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:00:57.860 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:01:05.060 So, let's just give everybody a quick recap. For those who might not have caught you on our first

00:01:11.740 episode of The John Henry Weston Show with you, explain to everybody who you are and what you've

00:01:16.880 already gone through. I'm a surgeon, and I was for more than 30 years a surgeon, and I retired

00:01:25.940 on the 1st of March 2022, early this year. I was the Director of Quality and Patient Safety

00:01:38.200 in the Department of Surgery in the University of Saskatchewan, Professor of Surgery.

00:01:46.020 I did things like cancer surgery, trauma surgery. And as part of my job as Director of Quality

00:02:00.240 and Patient Safety, I also was responsible for a lot of data-related work, intensive data work.

00:02:09.660 I introduced what is called the National Surgical Quality Improvement Program, which is very data

00:02:15.840 intensive, lots of data analysis. I co-founded and started the Surgical Humanities Department

00:02:23.380 in the University of Saskatchewan, and was the founding editor-in-chief of the Journal of the

00:02:32.180 Surgical Humanities, and the Journal now has a worldwide circulation. Interestingly, my app, the

00:02:42.720 Morbidity and Mortality app, which I co-developed with the computer department here for iPhone and Android,

00:02:50.900 is being used throughout the province, even as we speak. So as part of

00:03:01.100 this, I also, I hope I am able to convey to your viewers that I'm also able to analyze data,

00:03:13.580 including COVID-related data. I have the qualifications, the background, the statistical

00:03:20.260 knowledge, and the data analysis experience to analyze COVID data.

00:03:26.140 I'm also a poet. My book of poems, To a Nurse Friend Weeping, was published and released to the

00:03:39.180 world by HARP, H-A-R-P, HARP Press, last year. And if your viewers want to find that book, you just have

00:03:47.420 to Google, to a nurse friend weeping, Dr. Francis Christian, or just Francis Christian, and you should

00:03:55.100 go to the HARP Press website. Now, in 2021, last year, I became aware of the tremendous push to vaccinate

00:04:08.300 our kids. And I looked at the data. I had been looking at the data for some time. And none of the

00:04:17.220 data was making sense compared to when, when, when compared to the sort of messages we were getting

00:04:24.660 from government, the propagation, propaganda arm of government, which is the media and the press,

00:04:32.120 and from our public health officers and health authorities. So I had been for several months trying

00:04:44.440 to influence the system from within, trying to tell my colleagues, medical students, residents about

00:04:53.800 the truth about the COVID-19 pandemic, and the COVID-19 vaccine. And I wasn't making much headway.

00:05:03.960 And then this system started rolling out the vaccine to our kids. And that's when I decided

00:05:12.120 that kids, since they don't have a voice, we don't, we have to be their voice. And I had a press conference,

00:05:19.000 which essentially asked for informed consent, informed consent, essentially being what has

00:05:26.280 been understood as informed consent for hundreds of years, knowing the risks of the procedure or

00:05:32.680 treatment or therapeutic or vaccine, knowing the benefits or lack of benefits thereof, and any alternatives.

00:05:41.800 And so I essentially asked for informed consent in the press conference. And for asking for informed consent,

00:05:51.880 I was fired from my directorship of quality and patient safety. I was fired from director of the

00:06:04.840 surgical humanities program. I don't know what that had to do with this at all, but I was fired from that too.

00:06:10.920 And I was fired also from, I was suspended from my clinical professorship.

00:06:20.520 It was considered that I was in some way dangerous for interaction with medical students and residents,

00:06:30.280 although all I was asking for is informed consent. So that is the background of what happened to me

00:06:37.160 professionally.

00:06:41.080 It's what's, what's truly amazing is that you are now doing a lawsuit with the Justice Center.

00:06:52.680 But your reasons for doing the lawsuit are truly what's remarkable. If you wouldn't mind getting into

00:07:01.560 that, first explain to us a little bit about the lawsuit, where it's at right now, but also your

00:07:05.560 motivations.

00:07:06.120 The Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms is, for your international viewers, it's a Canadian

00:07:14.920 organization of lawyers who are committed to defending freedom, including freedom of speech,

00:07:22.360 freedom of conscience, the constitutional rights, charter rights. There's a Canadian Charter of

00:07:27.240 rights and freedoms. And essentially what the Justice Center does is it defends those rights for

00:07:35.720 Canadians. And the Justice Center lawsuit that was launched in January of this year,

00:07:42.840 about exactly a year after I was fired for asking for informed consent, is addressing several aspects of

00:07:54.440 these fundamental freedoms, which were violated in my case, including academic freedom, which is a

00:08:02.040 function or a function or a child, you might say, of freedom of speech, which in turn depends on the

00:08:10.120 fundamental rights associated with freedom itself. So academic freedom, the violation of academic freedom,

00:08:18.520 the defamation that, that I was subjected to, including public defamation by health authority figures and so on.

00:08:27.080 And my main reason for this lawsuit is not because I'm vindictive. I'm not. I'm not vindictive.

00:08:46.360 It's not after the money. A little money would be nice because of the financial hit that I took.

00:08:50.760 But it's not the money. The real reason I want this lawsuit to proceed is accountability and defense of those

00:09:06.760 values of our Christian civilization that have developed over several hundred years, including free speech,

00:09:15.160 freedom of conscience, freedom of conscience, freedom, academic freedom, putting the patient first.

00:09:26.840 These are things which are on trial with my lawsuit. And that's the reason I am proceeding with the lawsuit.

00:09:35.720 I think this will be a precedence for posterity. And in our common law system, judges look at previous cases to decide future cases.

00:09:51.800 And my prayer and hope is that my case will defend those fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech.

00:10:01.400 People have gone to martyrdom, to be shot dead, to be hanged, strangled for freedom of speech.

00:10:14.600 You know, recently there was the canonization of Archbishop Ramiro of El Salvador.

00:10:20.520 What was he doing? He was asking for justice for the poor, for a system that recognizes the rights of the poor.

00:10:30.840 And for that, he was assassinated while he was celebrating mass. So freedom of speech, freedom of conscience,

00:10:40.280 academic freedom, which stem out of freedom of speech, these are the values for which I'm fighting.

00:10:47.880 Beautiful. So this is a, it would be very easy, first of all, for someone to be vindictive,

00:10:59.080 to be very angry, to want to get back at those who are crushing your own livelihood,

00:11:06.760 you're really defaming you. You should be celebrated for what you've done,

00:11:13.400 both in terms of your personal life, but also your professional field is so impressive.

00:11:18.760 The program from which you were fired from the university, you actually started, I believe, did you not?

00:11:23.880 Yes.

00:11:24.120 So a lot of this seems, if it weren't so sad and an unbelievable reality, it would be humorous. But

00:11:34.040 what we're going through should be laughable because it makes no sense whatsoever. And yet,

00:11:40.200 here we are in Canada and much of the world, all going through this. Your case is particularly

00:11:48.040 fascinating because it is so very clear as to how extreme the other side is.

00:11:54.920 You are very measured. You speak in very measured tones. Your whole demeanor is one of, you know,

00:12:03.480 being kind and generous and loving and just trying your best for the greater part of humanity.

00:12:09.160 And yet that's what they're crushing. Any kind of dissent, even well-argued, knowledgeable dissent,

00:12:18.440 as you said, your experience in data analysis is probably better than most.

00:12:24.520 And even you're not allowed to speak on these things. Because there's an agenda here that's not

00:12:30.600 about science. It's about forced obedience. And any kind of opposition, any kind of dissent has to be

00:12:39.160 crushed. And that's what they've done. Speak to that, if you would. Yes. I started

00:12:48.920 with actually believing the government pandemic back in 2020. The narrative essentially was that

00:13:01.000 this is a new virus. We have to all be extremely fearful and locked down. And I, by the grace of

00:13:12.680 God, I wasn't fearful, but I thought to myself, you know, this is a new virus, they say, and let's give

00:13:21.080 the government a little bit of rope and see what happens. I didn't support the way that some of the

00:13:26.680 lockdowns are being implemented and so on. But I said, you know, let's see what happens. And then in a few

00:13:32.520 weeks, what did happen was I started recognizing some of the very pertinent and extremely branded

00:13:49.880 characterizations of totalitarian dictatorship. So there are there are methods of totalitarian

00:13:57.960 dictatorship that I had been studying since I was a teenager. And that's because I read a very

00:14:04.360 influential book, John Henry, when I was a teenager. It's called Tortured for Christ. It's about the

00:14:10.840 Romanian pastor who spent many years in prison under the Soviet Union. And for me, it became a mission to

00:14:21.400 study how the Soviet Union exercised this tremendous control, tyrannical control over its own people. 0.51

00:14:34.120 And so when the propaganda arm of government, which is the media, started saying misinformation,

00:14:43.000 disinformation, they were repeating some of the same things that the tyrannies of the past were doing.

00:14:49.560 So my study of the Soviet tyranny showed that this was exactly what was happening. The disinformation,

00:14:57.400 the very words disinformation and misinformation are right out of the tyranny's playbooks.

00:15:05.080 It was used extensively in the Soviet Union that so-and-so has been arrested because of

00:15:12.360 the disinformation that he or she was spreading. And this was bad. This was bad for society, bad for

00:15:21.000 the cause, bad for the proletariat and so on. So I started recognizing those patterns. Then I started

00:15:30.440 recognizing another pattern, which is censorship. Another characterization of tyrannies, including the Nazi

00:15:37.000 tyranny or the Soviet tyranny. And I started recognizing that they were censoring not just

00:15:46.520 anybody, but people I had known in my work as experts in the field. For example, this guy, Paul Marek, he now

00:15:57.640 works for the FLCCC, the Frontline COVID Critical Care Alliance. But many of us who had anything to do with

00:16:08.280 with the ICU, the intensive care unit and intensive care in general, knew of his pioneering work in

00:16:15.240 sepsis even before COVID happened. So when they started censoring this guy, then they started

00:16:22.920 censoring Pierre Corey, Dr. Pierre Corey, whose book on point-of-care ultrasound is actually being used all

00:16:31.880 over the world. So these are experts in the field and they're censoring them too. I then started looking

00:16:39.080 at the data and the data actually didn't make any sense at all. And that's when I realized there was some

00:16:46.280 other agenda here. And it's not health. It's control. It's control. It's a tyranny that is based on health, 0.87

00:16:56.520 but it has nothing to do with health. And in my substack, it's a very simple substack to find. It's

00:17:10.200 francischristian.substack.com. I have some essays on freedom, on democracy, on freedom of conscience,

00:17:22.280 on freedom of speech. And in the essay on democracy, I point out that democracy, in fact, is nice to

00:17:33.960 believe in as something that we all live in. But in fact, democracy of the people, by the people,

00:17:43.160 for the people, can often be defined in our present-day democracies as of the deceived, by the deceiver,

00:17:53.240 and for the deceiver. So it is freedom that we must guard. And freedom is under great threat, even as we

00:18:03.400 speak. Just look at what's happening south of the border and what's happening in our own country here,

00:18:10.440 with all these new censorship bills that parliament is discussing. People are not allowed to talk about

00:18:19.640 anything other than the government narrative. These are characteristics of totalitarian dictatorships.

00:18:26.280 In George Orwell's book 1984, there is this thing called newspeak. Newspeak is, it basically denotes

00:18:41.960 only what the public is allowed to believe and hear. If they believe and say that they don't believe the

00:18:50.120 government narrative, then they're persecuted. And that's exactly what we're living through.

00:18:57.400 Absolutely. A couple of fascinating things. One is that you mentioned it was because of your reading of

00:19:07.480 Georgetown for Christ, or basically the Soviet means of destroying people. 0.79

00:19:15.560 It's interesting. There are quite a number of people from Soviet countries who fled to America,

00:19:24.680 fled to Europe, fled to Canada to escape communism. And they recognized this so early on as communism,

00:19:35.480 as tyranny coming to America, coming to Europe, coming to Canada. But there were so many people,

00:19:42.520 so many very, very good people, pro-life activists, and people who we've worked with for years,

00:19:51.320 who not only didn't see it, but did all sorts of things to justify it. They went along with the narrative,

00:20:01.640 sometimes in ways that were beyond belief, alienating their own families for not getting a

00:20:09.560 COVID jab, even though it was abortion tainted. Pro-life activists doing this.

00:20:16.440 Justifying lockdowns, even forced vaccination.

00:20:21.400 How? It's one of the most confusing things I've ever seen in my life

00:20:25.480 that these folks, the really, really good folks who are awake in the true sense of the word,

00:20:36.520 to the word of God, to life and family concerns.

00:20:40.520 They were totally taken by this. And in fact, some still are. Any thoughts about that?

00:20:48.440 Absolutely. One of the reasons I so admire your show, John Henry, is because you're not afraid to

00:20:57.160 speak truth to power, including papal power. And the fact is, you recognize, as few people do

00:21:09.480 nowadays, that the head of the church is not a temporal human figure, but Christ himself.

00:21:15.160 So, I think this pandemic has been very beneficial to Christians, because we now know who the false 1.00

00:21:24.280 prophets are. You know, I was astonished when churches said, for example, if you're not vaccinated,

00:21:36.760 you can't come into my church. So, I then looked at the gospel and looked at the life of Christ himself,

00:21:45.560 and how he actually went out and touched the lepers and made them whole. He actually went and touched

00:21:52.280 people who were sick. So, I decided that these churches are following some other Christ, some other

00:21:59.160 gospel. It's not the Christ of the Bible. So, I think to answer your question about the way the churches have

00:22:12.120 let down their own congregations, I think you can see a pattern developing here, which actually started

00:22:23.240 before COVID. And that is the church adapting to the values of the world. In other words, if it's popular,

00:22:33.160 the church takes hold of it for one reason or another. And if it's not popular, then the church says

00:22:41.400 either that we don't believe in it, or as in the COVID pandemic, they actually are persecuting the people

00:22:48.760 who are opposed to this popular government narrative. So, I think it's, in many ways, it's a time of

00:22:58.440 time of sifting and winnowing for the church. We now know who the real priests are, the real prophets

00:23:07.160 are, and the false prophets are all exposed. In the Soviet tyranny, you know, what I learned 0.78

00:23:16.680 through my historical studies is that the population in the Soviet tyrannies was divided into three groups.

00:23:26.520 One group was, you would say, you and me and many of our colleagues who are fighting this tyranny.

00:23:37.240 We have decided, by the grace of God, that we will never submit to totalitarian dictatorship,

00:23:45.400 to tyranny, to the loss of freedoms, and so on. This is a small group, and this was a small group in

00:23:52.200 the Soviet tyranny. Many of this group were either shot or tortured or put in prison or sent to the

00:23:58.120 gulag. Some of them started the Samizdat press, which in Russian means the underground press. In many

00:24:07.080 ways, you are part of that Samizdat movement. Now, mind you, no tyranny lasts forever, and every tyranny

00:24:16.760 has a defined lifespan. So, when the Soviet empire fell and crumbled, guess what? These great heroes and

00:24:24.920 martyrs to freedom, their lights are now shining brighter than ever. So, this is the small group.

00:24:36.040 And then there's a large group where people essentially know that what is being told to

00:24:44.120 them is all nonsense. They don't really believe the narrative, but they're scared, or for one

00:24:48.920 reason or other, you know, they want to go to Mexico, so I want to get the shot, so I might as 0.90

00:24:53.640 well do it. It doesn't make any sense, but I'll do it anyway. So, that is a large group. And then there's

00:24:59.400 another group, which is probably a minority group, but still a large minority, where they actually

00:25:07.160 believe they're doing good. This is the most dangerous group of all. You know, there was an old 1.00

00:25:12.600 Soviet saying, to betray your neighbor is a patriotic duty, but to betray your own family is the highest 0.69

00:25:21.720 duty of all. So, this group, so three groups. One is the group that will never surrender,

00:25:30.040 never surrender their freedoms. Then this large group that says, okay, you know, I don't believe in

00:25:35.960 this stuff. It doesn't make any sense, but I have to go along with the tyranny. And then this other group

00:25:41.320 that says, actually, I'm doing everything that is good. And unfortunately, doctors, nurses, many

00:25:49.880 priests are in that third group. That's exactly what happened in the Soviet tyranny, actually.

00:25:56.360 We're just repeating history. It's not a new thing. The heart of man, the prophet Jeremiah said,

00:26:02.840 is desperately wicked above all things. Who can know it? And that hasn't changed.

00:26:08.200 Yeah. How much, and just, I know it's all speculation, but

00:26:18.520 how much at this point do you think there are people of goodwill who are just totally bamboozled?

00:26:27.960 And do you think that the cost that they've paid already into alienating their own families?

00:26:37.240 So let's say, you know, a member of a family who's alienated members of his family because he went

00:26:44.040 along with the narrative. This was true science. If you're saying there's some kind of global

00:26:49.720 conspiracy, you're a conspiracy theorist and you need to seek mental health help rather than, you know,

00:26:56.600 let's deal with this. This is, you know, a new pandemic like polio was. We got to get these

00:27:02.520 vaccines. They've been delivered to us. We should thank God for it. And we should just get on with it.

00:27:09.320 They alienated their families. But now that more and more evidence seems to have come out saying,

00:27:15.480 first of all, this has escaped the lab. It seems to be manufactured. There are all sorts of helps for

00:27:22.040 this rather than the vaccine, which doesn't seem to work at all and perhaps is causing harm.

00:27:25.880 All that seems to be coming out now. But a lot of those same folks that were sort of invested by way

00:27:32.840 of even alienating their own families, they're still tied to that, to the narrative and unwilling

00:27:39.080 to let it go despite all the evidence. I always wonder what holds them there.

00:27:43.800 I agree with you. And I'm glad you asked that question and brought that important point up.

00:27:50.760 One of the ways in which tyrannies exert control is by fear. So there's a pall of fear that descends

00:28:00.600 over the population. And it was the same in the Soviet Union. They would hear of people disappearing

00:28:09.160 in the middle of the night. They would hear of people going to the Gulag. A pall of fear would

00:28:13.640 descend over the population. And so people would go along with the tyranny. Some people,

00:28:21.080 many people actually believed the Soviet lie that socialism was good for you. That if you

00:28:30.280 owned nothing, you would be happy. It was a Soviet lie, which is now being repeated by the World 0.89

00:28:38.600 Economic Forum. So here's what I think, John Henry. The population that is fearful is also able to

00:28:50.360 believe almost anything that you tell them. So you're really oppressed by fear, you feel trapped,

00:28:58.680 and then somebody comes and tells you, oh, this vaccine is going to give you freedom,

00:29:04.520 who is going to allow you to go out and go and enjoy yourself and go to Mexico and so on.

00:29:09.880 And then people tend to believe it. Some people, like I said, you know, sincerely believe the lie.

00:29:16.440 They're completely deceived by the government propaganda. And then, you know, it's very tragic.

00:29:25.560 For example, during this drive to vaccinate kids, which is absolutely abominable.

00:29:35.880 Kids don't need the vaccine. If they get COVID, they shake it off really easily. COVID is less of a

00:29:45.000 threat to them than a bad flu year. And yet they're pushing it in six-month-old to four-year-olds,

00:29:53.400 and six-month-old to 12-year-olds and 18-year-olds, healthy children that don't need this stuff that

00:30:00.520 doesn't work, that is dangerous for them and could kill them. So this is a medical emergency

00:30:09.240 that we are living under. And that is to protect and save our kids from this unsafe and ineffective

00:30:17.720 vaccine. And, you know, for example, during this drive to vaccinate our kids, both parents and

00:30:30.760 grandparents and also the children were being traumatized by fear. Like, I know some grandparents

00:30:41.480 who said, you know, they were terrified of seeing their grandchildren because, you know, the grandchildren

00:30:53.160 said that they were going to give the virus to the grandparent. So I would say that, yes, there are some

00:31:04.920 people who are completely fooled with this narrative. But many, many, many more people now are realizing

00:31:12.120 that, look, this vaccine doesn't prevent infection, doesn't prevent transmission. We are now learning

00:31:20.840 that the third lie, that it prevents hospitalization and death, is also a lie. And so people are waking up.

00:31:29.800 Many people are not willing to challenge the tyranny yet, because, you know, like I said, there's this

00:31:36.280 large group that says that, oh, it doesn't make any sense, but I'm going along with it. But more people

00:31:41.880 are waking up than before. Children, you know, if parents are listening to this, or if mature children

00:31:50.440 are listening to this, my message is, you know, don't feel guilty if you make the decision not to vaccinate

00:31:57.240 your kid. There's a lot of data backing you. In fact, there's every bit of data shows that

00:32:06.920 you should not be vaccinating healthy kids against COVID. Don't feel guilty, don't feel fearful. And

00:32:15.000 also, you know, be sure that the science is behind you when you make that decision. Don't feel coerced or

00:32:23.080 blackmailed. I say blackmailed because coercion is a form of blackmail. If kids cannot go and join a

00:32:33.400 hockey group or a hockey club because they're not vaccinated, that's more than coercion. That's

00:32:38.840 a form of blackmail. And so for parents, you know, what is more important? Is it your kids

00:32:47.000 belonging to a hockey club or is it their long-term health and wellness? And I would say that health,

00:32:55.640 wellness, you know, wins every day over being part of some hockey club, you know.

00:33:03.800 We know that the vaccine has short-term side effects, adverse effects,

00:33:09.800 effects, including in young people, myocarditis, which can actually kill the child. It has killed

00:33:17.320 children and young people. It has, so the vaccine can actually kill the child. It essentially has no

00:33:29.240 medium and long-term follow-up studies. So children are our future. And if you really want to know what the

00:33:39.160 vaccine does over the medium term, 1 to 2 to 5 years and long-term, 10 to 15, 20 years, then you

00:33:47.080 should have long-term studies that show the vaccine is safe and effective. We don't have any of those

00:33:52.840 studies. In fact, we're learning every day how much the vaccine is not safe and not effective. And yet

00:34:02.840 they're pushing it as if, you know, nothing has changed.

00:34:09.400 Absolutely. And I think there's another message as well. It's a message for those who have been

00:34:16.040 taken in, who were taken in, who really took the fear to heart, who perhaps were locked up in their

00:34:22.760 own homes and the government was holding out the carrot of once everybody's vaccinated, we can let you

00:34:27.880 out your older, don't see your grandkids because they could infect you and how horrible will that

00:34:33.080 be? Not only for you, for them thinking, oh, they killed grandma and grandpa. If you were taken in by

00:34:38.760 this initially and then now have doubts because the vast bunch of evidence coming out, don't feel

00:34:46.360 beholden to the lie just because you sort of invested in it. There is the possibility of saying,

00:34:53.960 wow is wrong. You might have alienated part of your family because you were wrong on that. You know

00:35:00.840 what? They would be so happy to hear you say, I was wrong. I am so sorry I alienated you.

00:35:09.480 I was confused. They put all this crap. They lied to us. I never even thought it was possible that the 0.99

00:35:15.000 government could lie this much to us, but they did. You know what? That alienated part of your family,

00:35:21.320 my bet is they would accept you back with tears of joy. They would just be so grateful because it's

00:35:28.360 still a minority. You're still being crushed if you stand for freedom, if you stand for truth in science

00:35:37.320 against this mob that's coming at us. Don't be afraid. Embrace the truth. Dr. Francis Christian,

00:35:45.640 thank you so much for being with us. Thank you so much for what you're doing, for freedom, for truth

00:35:51.480 in health, and may God bless you and your case. I hope lots of people support you in it. Thank you, John

00:35:56.600 Henry. It was a privilege and pleasure to be on your show. Take care and God bless you too. And God bless all of you.

00:36:03.560 Thank you. We'll see you next time.

The John-Henry Westen Show - August 26, 2022

Canadian professor： I was fired for saying healthy children don't need COVID jabs

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