Catholic Priest SUES Pro-LGBT Church Leadership ｜ Fr. John Harrington
Summary
In this episode, Father Jack Harrington talks about his experience with a sexual overture from a dean at St. John's Seminary in the late 80s and early 90s, and how it led him to become a priest in the Diocese of Boston.
Transcript
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What's transpired is what ultimately led me to this situation, basically because I spoke
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out about it and I attempted to get to the truth behind the event.
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It has resulted in my, if you will, being a canceled priest.
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Father Jack Harrington, welcome to the program.
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Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, amen.
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So, Father, as one, I mean, when we first met, we were at the Conference of Canceled Priests,
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or for Canceled Priests, and wanted to ask you, you know, well, tell us, why were you
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And give us a little bit of background about your life as a priest.
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Well, John, that may take up a lot of the interview, because as you saw probably from the bullet
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chronology, which I sent to you, it goes way back to the late 1980s when I was attending
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And I had an experience with a, I should say, I experienced a sexual overture by the academic
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His name is Father Jack Farrell, because I, as you see from the bio, I did file a canon law
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What happened, what transpired is what ultimately led me to this situation, basically because
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And I attempted to get to the truth behind the event, and it has resulted in my, if you
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And I, I guess what I should say is that it was at St. John's Seminary from 1988 to 1991.
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The sexual overture by the, by the, the academic dean occurred in 88.
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It was reported to the rector and eventually reported to canon law via a priest from Canada.
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You probably saw from the ball of chronology, actually the father, Kevin McKenna, who was
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substituting for a priest who, at St. John's Calvary, who incidentally was, was, was, had
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been arrested and put in jail for arresting boys.
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And we just, I had gone to Boston College as the judge of the college.
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And we just, you know, we started talking and one thing led to another.
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He knew my uncle, whom I actually got up here to visit.
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And after telling him this, he said, does the canon law, I said, no, I don't think he does
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because the rector didn't refer it enough to go any further.
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And so we ended up, I should say, he ended up writing a letter to the canon law with my
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And when I returned to the seminary in the fall of 89, I met with his auxiliary bishop
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banks and we discussed the letter and I was somewhat indirectly reprimanded by auxiliary
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bishop banks because I didn't keep it within the diocese, you know, because I told Father
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McKenna and he wrote, but it was a very appropriate act by Father McKenna because of what was going
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He had told me, he says, you know, he should know that we are going through our own right
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now, and this was the late, again, late 80s, and he said the bishop of St. John's, I think
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his name was Haypenny, I seem to recall, is about to tender his resignation because he
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So it was kind of a forewarning to kind of a law to clean up if there was any abuse going
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on in the seminary of a sexual predation, he should address it.
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Well, he didn't really address it, and a little over 10 years later, he ended up resigning,
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as you know, sadly, you know, in disgrace for letting the homosexual behavior priests get
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So, you know, John, very quickly, I mean, I left the seminary in 91.
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John had something to do with that, because he was still there teaching, and I decided
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Well, I did discern and ended up coming back, and when I reapplied to St. John's, a little
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over 10 years later, because I left in 91, he applied actually there in 2002.
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He had not, you know, the whole abuse care had not come out, and they didn't want me back,
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It's actually, you know, my case is somewhere right out of Michael Rose's book, The Goodbye,
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Big Men, where he talks about the priest makers, vocation directors, the,
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rectors, formation advisors, if you will, that were entertaining or had thoughts of re-envisioning
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And I think my reporting, one of those re-envisioning the priesthood is, of course, the issue of homosexuality,
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which, you know, as we speak, we know what's going on in Germany with the citadel way of the
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bishops, and they're trying to get, if you will, one of the things in favor of the blessing
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of same-sex marriage is, we know what James, Father James Martin, is a great advocate of
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the LGBTQ, you know, movement, in particular Catholics, and indirectly endorsing it, you
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know, in that behavior, which is same-sex marriage, saying, I think he even said it's a
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sacred act. And so I think when I ported the academic dean, which nothing came of it, it
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was clear to them I didn't share that vision, and they didn't want me back. So they sent
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me to a rogue psychologist. And he did a job on, it was based on just interviews, and he
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just misrepresented me in the interviews. He just, such that they had, they couldn't accept
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me. He just maligned me, just wrote things that I didn't say to him. And so I was rejected
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at St. John's. And that would have been again in 2002. Unfortunately, I applied to Fall River
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Diocese shortly after that. And Cardinal O'Malley, President Cardinal O'Malley, who was actually
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the Bishop of Fall River, he accepted me. I went to this, like, oh, there's no problems.
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And they sent me to Mount St. Mary's, where I did my seminary studies from 2002 to 2004.
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And I was a Dane in 2004 by Bishop Coleman, who succeeded O'Malley when O'Malley was sent
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to Pot Beach in Florida. So, you know what, I can go on with this because that's not, that's
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the genesis that ultimately would lead to my being a canceled priest. I'll try to be very
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quick with it then, and you can go from there. But six months after my ordination, in June
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of 2004, a priest in the Diocese of Fall River, who had happened to just happen to be a very
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close friend, student of the priest I had reported, Father Jack Fowler, the academic dean, back in
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1988, was a good friend of his as a student. And subsequently after that, he'd be in touch
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with him. I know that from actually a relative of one of those priests. And it was a pay, I
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think it was just an outright payback. He, what he did, sorry, he fabricated an allegation
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about me that said, some woman accused me of stalking her son. And I discussed that, I
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just, in the, in the narrative I gave you, that's, that's amply, which I know that I think
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you had a chance to read, that's amply, you know, discussed with, you know, detail, discussed
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with detail. And it simply turned out to be, it was a total fabrication. But I had to go
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through, jump through a lot of hoops. I'm talking about, I mean, I filed a civil action
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on this. The judge was very sympathetic to me. And we would, it was a defamation case.
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And, and he, with the, with the actually assistance of my pastor, who was actually the general of
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the diocese at the time, but they were very close friends. Is it John Perry? John, John,
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I don't believe it was a gay priest at all. I just think he should be close friends with
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Father Costello. But he was part of the whole sort of attempt to, to make, make that allegation
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stick, if you will. I had to get affidavits from the woman herself, you know, from her sister
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signed up. I gave, I think you, I think you've seen all these documents, John. So I could let
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you, I don't want to go on and on, but what, how this resulted is I spoke up about it. They
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wouldn't tell me the name of the person who had told them that I had stocked this, this
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young man. They, they were just, it was, it turned out to be just a total fabrication.
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And, until you probably knew it was, I learned that from him later. He told me that it was
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actually the priest. So why engage in it? I don't know. But I wanted to get to the truth
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of this thing, and the bishop got upset at me. He just wanted me to drop it. And I said,
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well, I will. Then he said, I want you to go to a psychologist. I said, why? Because he
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says, you spoke out to the Christians about it, which I did, but, you know, briefly. And
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he got upset. I said, well, I'll tell you, I will. I'll go. I have nothing to hide. But
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even though I've been, I've been dealt a bad hand about this in Boston, I said, oh, I mean,
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I'll go. But I said, I'd like you to tell me the truth, acknowledge that Costello fabricated
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this thing. It took me a while to get to that, to prove that he had. But the bishop wouldn't
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do that. And he got upset at me. He just took me out of the parish and sent me to, basically,
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to the priest's hostel. Well, eventually, I filed a can of lawsuit. It was after that
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that he took me out of the hostel, because I was trying to get to the truth of this thing,
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to the church. Initially, through the church, through the canonical process, they didn't
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get me anywhere, though, because the bishop and the judicial vicar had more of a side with
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this priest. Coleman came from within the diocese. He had built up a network of friends.
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It explains why the priest often selects bishops or priests outside the diocese. They're going
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to appoint a bishop, because they know that. But he didn't. So eventually, just, he evicted
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me from the diocese. In fact, I can't wear blacks in public, but I can wear them in my own
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home. So that's why I have them on today, you know?
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So, John, what it boils down to is I persisted in trying to get to the truth of this thing.
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And as it turned out, remarkably, astonishingly, actually, is that what I learned from going
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through the civil process, the justices helped me a great deal. I mean, the justice of the
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Devin Superior Court said, it is undisputed that Harrington never stalked the Williams boy,
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the Graham boy, I'm sorry, his name is Graham, but his mother remarries Williams, the Graham
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boy, that the statements when made by both defendants were harmful and scandalous and
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devastating to the plaintiff's, you know, reputation. So she, in the memory of the decision,
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in order, but she said, you missed the statute. Because I tried to solve it in the church,
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and three years had expired. But we took, we could, you thought we trumped, we could trump
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it. Well, we didn't trump it. But it also ended up going to, we appealed it. We lost the appeal
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two to one. But then we went, then the Supreme Court of Massachusetts heard the case, which we
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hadn't requested. They actually contacted us, my lawyer, and they wanted to hear it. And it
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was at that hearing, that Justice Gant, G-E-A-N-T, who subsequently became the Chief Justice of the
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Massachusetts Supreme Court, I think around 2018, he said at the hearing, for everyone to hear, he says
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he was framed. And I didn't really know, when he said that, it was then that I began to say,
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I think I know now what one of the relatives of the young man said to me, way at the beginning,
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when I got the letter, I got the death he gave us, signed by his mother and his sister.
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And when he said, why, when he indirectly, this person indirectly said to me, why are they using
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this book, Jake Graham, to go after you? That's what he was telling me. But I mean, he said,
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why are they going after you? I didn't know what he, I didn't know what this person meant.
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But Justice Gant said, because in the narrative you read, it's very evident in that narrative,
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that young man, who was a junior, in a 9th and 10th confirmation program, did not want to be
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confirmed. Sadly, he just made, he, if you will, he said a number of falsehoods. And it was only then I
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concluded he was actually trying to, the green news are going to set me up to make a look like I was
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shocking him, which, which is a very malicious thing to do. And I have no doubt in my mind,
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that's exactly why he was in there, because, because he ended up dropping out of the program
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under false pretenses, you know, not because of me, but allegedly because of me, but it wasn't that
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at all, simply because he, it was, he might be, he might be confirmed. So, right. So, Father, tell us,
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Well, good job, just a little over a year. The day in June of 2040 withdrew me in 2005. So,
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you can, you know, you can add that up. I mean, I've been, I've been an inactive priest now since
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2000, November of 2005. That's going to be 18 years this November.
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Hey, my friends, now is the time to stand up and fight. We are just about to have the Synod on
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Synodality and everything that you've seen indicates that it's going to be an absolute disaster.
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We have Father James Martin as a personal appointee of the Pope speaking at it. We've got
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Cardinal Cupich, Cardinal Tobin, these picks of the Pope to engage in this Synod are indicative of
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where we're going. We're going into heresy. And at these times of great crisis, the church,
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especially those called in the laity to work for the glory of Christ in his church, are called to
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strategize with his eminence, with his excellency, and with many life and family leaders from around
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the world. For LifeSite News, this is John Henry Weston. And may God bless you.
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You're, this fellow at the seminary that approached you and so on. What's become of him? He's deceased
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now, is he? Nothing. He was still the academic dean and teacher at the seminary after kind of a lot
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got this information, this letter from Ian after I spoke with him. In fact, when I spoke with Bishop
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Banks, who represented Count O'Malley after getting his letter, he said to me, all right, so I have a
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priest in my hands. What am I to do about it? That's what he said to me. And I said, I remember
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saying, I said, well, you know, a man should be able to come in here, a candidate for priesthood
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and discern his vocation to priesthood without being, you know, without being subjected to sexual
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harassment or sexual overtures by a faculty member. And he didn't say anything. And, but the fact
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is, nothing happened to him to my daughter's next year, which would have been 80, it would have been,
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I met him in the fall of 89 after my first year, in 89, 90, that I was teaching patristics and I had
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him for patristics. And he was there the next year. So law didn't really do much about it.
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He's just retired. He's retired. Yeah. A member of the, you know, the Archdiocese. Yeah. I,
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I haven't heard much really about him, you know?
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Right. With, but retired without any sanction, without any penalty whatsoever.
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No, actually, John, you should know this by now yourself, that it's usually the person that speaks
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up. It exposes this stuff. Of course, that's one of the themes of Rose's book, right? If a seminarian,
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or even if, you know, in the case of some priests, if they speak up, if they witness something,
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and particularly if it's the homo lobby, the homosexual current, you know, which is, you
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know, Bishop Bagan is the word current in the church, they run the risk of being, you know,
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of being subject to reprisals by priests in the diocese. I mean, I think that's one of the,
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you know, the, so that's what happens. And that's exactly what happens to me. I mean, I, of course,
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that I think that was going to happen at the time. No, but my goodness, it's, I've never been
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accused in my life. I'm not even suspended, actually. I just, my, my faculties were thrown
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because I didn't go to a psychologist. That's why I'm not suspended. I haven't committed any time.
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Right. So father, you're able to celebrate masses privately for yourself.
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Yeah. Yeah. Which I will do actually after this interview, I'll celebrate mass today. I think
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it's St. Clair's Feasting. It is indeed. Yeah. So how do you then live out your life? Because I
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mean, this, this happened to you so soon after ordination. And were you in a parish, you were
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an associate pastor or something like that for, for that year? Well, I mean, I was, I was the
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parochial vicar. My pastor was a vicar general. So he was, I think, four days a week, he was actually
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serving vicar general at the, at the, at the, at the chancery. So, I mean, I was just, you know,
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fulfilling my duties as a, as a, you know, as a daily priest often. I mean, I, you know,
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my, I regularly visited the hospital. I had to cover the hospital two days a week. We
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covered that and visited every Catholic patient in the hospital. I used to give a talk at the,
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at the, it's a halfway house for addicts, men, male addicts in Miller House in, in Falmouth,
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Woods Hole, section of Falmouth. I gave a talk to you once a month. They, that, one of the guys
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that was actually a parishioner used to come in the house and he asked me. So I did that,
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which I enjoyed very much. I also, you know, I had a, we had a youth mass going. It sat in a youth mass
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music and the rest for the high school kids. We took a ski trip. We, I played hockey at Boston
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College. So I played hockey in high school and I coached high school hockey when I was a teacher.
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And, and so, you know, we had, we had a little hockey get together one night, but the local
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rink. And, you know, in addition to just, you know, visiting, visiting a lot, you know, on the
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Sunday where I was, was one of the nursing homes, actually the nursing homes, I used about three
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of them in Falmouth. So visit, you know, visit the nursing homes. I really, I really enjoyed
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being a priest. I mean, I enjoyed it. I did it. And I miss it immensely. It's been
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very, very difficult. I mean, not being back in ministry, I just, but what has happened
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since, you know, the pursuit, I've gotten to a truth I never, never thought I wouldn't
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get to. And that is an attempt by some nefarious forces, malicious forces, probably connected
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to the whole homosexual government in the church, being that the guy that fabricated is Costello,
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who was subsequently five, six years later after this, and this would have been, again, 2005,
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when it occurred, 2012, he was removed from his parish because of a, because of an immoral
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relationship with a young man, for which he was arrested for, actually, when he was his pastor
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When I was in seminary, I was reading a book by Henry Nouwen. He talked about a nuclear man,
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you know, and people who grew up in the 1980s were kind of formed by that immediate and constant
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threat of nuclear annihilation. My generation has grown up, you know, under the specter of priestly
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sexual abuse. I think that for many of us that has also been all-encompassing, you know, I mean,
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I entered the seminary in January of 2004, and it's basically been there for me from in the beginning.
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And remind us again, he was the sort of former student friend of...
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But he also attended, again, I won't reveal his person's name, but I was a relative
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of one of the two of them. I have the person's name. I talked about it. He was actually used to attend
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parties, but Faro used to have parties, priest parties, what do you mean to say?
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When I could actually, actually, I think he was also when he was a teacher, but also as a priest,
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and Carselli used to go to those parties. So he was, and Faro was an active homosexual, and, and, and,
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and Carselli, again, was arrested, as I just said, in 2012, relationship with the young man,
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actually, from what I've learned as a male prostitute, he's paying money for himself.
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So at that point, when he got arrested, was there then any kind of redress toward you? Like
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any opportunity for you to say, wait a minute, that's the same guy who charged me false. You
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knew it was a false charge. Now that guy is arrested for homosexual encounters. Now you're
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not going to do anything with me? What happened then?
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John, actually, worse than that, he was actually set, and this is tragic, he was murdered, actually,
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himself, because after that occurred with that young man in, in, it was in Seacock, as I say,
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right on the border of Rhode Island, he was, he's retired, he stayed a step down, but nothing,
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I mean, he wasn't stripped of his faculties like me, you know, wasn't taking his clerics,
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and, you know, to take his clerics off, he just retired quietly, but he apparently had a place
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in Padre Island, Texas, and I learned, this was about five years ago, I think, if I'm right,
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there was a, from a priest, I bumped into him, a family, actually, it was probably,
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he said, like, in a series of works of national, national, national, national, by the Ethics
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Institute in, in Pennsylvania, um, yeah, it's first name, actually, you know, but many of
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that, um, he said he had just learned that he was actually, his body was found, and it
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looks, um, again, about five years ago, so even after that, he said to me, the priest said,
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you know, that should, you know, that might help, you know, and that he was, uh, troubled,
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and praised, and I says, well, it, John, actually, the, we have come close a couple of times to
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getting back into ministry, I was very fortunate to have the, my canon lawyer began the vicar
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general of the diocese about four or five years ago, and he is my canon lawyer, but even as
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vicar general, he was trying to help me get back, he wanted me to be his assistant, his name
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was Father Richard Wilson, and the, the vicar of clergy, Father Dave Pignata,
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and also, there's a woman they had hired, Bish, current bishop, Father Ducunia, who was
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an auxiliary in Newark, he's been bishop here now for about five years, all three of
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them, and, you know, they were familiar with my case, oh, the one, it was, I'm sorry,
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a woman had been hired, it was a legal background, it's a director of priest's
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accountability and, uh, professional standards, she had gone to my vice's father, you
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know, you, you, you were, you have not gotten justice, we're going to meet with the
00:26:49.420
bishop, three of us with you, and try to get you back, well, the bishop canceled the
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meeting, this is, this would have been about a little over a year ago, just canceled it,
00:26:58.000
because I think he knew those three supported me, and all we were asking for, and they all
00:27:02.940
agreed, was an acknowledgement that Costello had fabricated this allegation against me,
00:27:08.260
he wouldn't do that, neither would Coleman, again, protecting, you know, protecting the
00:27:14.480
priest, now, your question is why, and again, as you know, it's pretty common behavior within,
00:27:23.160
it's becoming more common in the church to protect, well, we know, like, the whole scandal,
00:27:28.020
you know, one of the reasons for the scandal, way back, I mean, Lawler talks about this in
00:27:32.240
his book, the, um, the faithful department, the classic Boston culture, Phil Lawler, who's
00:27:37.440
the editor of the newspaper, I mean, Phil wrote a few letters to me trying to help him with
00:27:40.940
this, you know, he just, you know, there's basically the three problems that led to the,
00:27:46.680
well, with the, with the scandal, retrospect, he said, you know, the three things that have
00:27:50.440
occurred, one is that there was a young, young men, adolescents, were, uh, uh, the priests
00:27:57.860
molested a number of boys, they were primarily adolescent boys, and the other one is the complicity
00:28:05.080
of the bishops, this is the bishop accepted the first two, you know, predation of, of boys
00:28:10.380
by homosexual priests, but they, they've never acknowledged their own responsibility or their
00:28:16.280
own sort of part in that scandal, and it was logical, because then he was just, were just,
00:28:21.740
like in Boston, and Lawler did it, they were moving, these priests to differing, Lawler did
00:28:27.400
it with Gagin, and he did it also with the two biggest offenders, Gagin, and also Paul Shanley,
00:28:33.680
they were moved to different marriages, and Lawler, who came in in 84, he knew their record,
00:28:38.960
you know, he came in, he knew their record in the, in the 70s, 80s, and of course, Lawler,
00:28:44.940
you know, was there from 84 to 2002, and he resigned, but he was moving them to different
00:28:49.240
places, and they were still committing it, so, um, anyhow, John, but, John, anyhow, I'll let
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you ask a question, I'm sorry, I don't want to.
00:28:59.960
Yeah, no, no, that's, it's just stunning, that even after this is shown, proven, and
00:29:07.880
then the very accuser himself gets embroiled in what he was trying to pretend you were
00:29:15.460
accused of, uh, and then ends up killed or whatever, and still no address, um, that's
00:29:23.180
just mind-boggling, what, what can, what can people do now?
00:29:28.280
Right, right now, what you're doing, actually, my, you know, Church Militant, if you watch
00:29:33.800
that Vortex, they recommend it to Rachel, just for some context and historical sort of, um,
00:29:38.500
information, is that, John, what I want right now, and I've been asking for, and actually,
00:29:44.840
Father Wilson, who's no longer a bigger generalist, he's back in the past, but Father Ignata is,
00:29:50.200
is the bigger clergy, unfortunately, the woman resigned, left the, left the diocese, a nice,
00:29:56.100
nice woman, very capable, um, and Father David Grieve, there should be, there should have been,
00:30:02.960
even under Coleman, but especially, you know, Bishop Becunia, there should be an investigation
00:30:07.840
as to who used this minor, who himself actually went on to, sadly, again, he went on to get into
00:30:17.580
some big-time trouble himself, uh, a couple of years after this, he ended up getting arrested
00:30:23.760
and breaking into a home and beating up the homeowner, and he was sent to prison, he's lucky,
00:30:28.400
he only got a mine, he only, he was only sentenced to scare him, but he could have got a sentence,
00:30:32.820
he was 17, I think, at the time, was in the newspaper, but the point is,
00:30:37.840
um, there should be, should have been done, and that's why I'm trying to get this out,
00:30:44.900
an investigation as to the forces that used this kid, this, this young man, to try to set me up for
00:30:52.220
stalking, I mean, John, by the grace of God, I just did everything by the book, because what a,
00:30:57.520
what a, what a king got, what a was, when I was trying to set me out, well, I think he did a great deal
00:31:03.000
on this thing, the king was actually, the king was actually asking a favor of me, indirectly asking
00:31:08.660
a favor of me, and, um, to, you read the narrative, John, I don't know if I want to go into it, but
00:31:17.580
let me just suffice, there should be an investigation into this, I mean, even, it shouldn't be
00:31:22.960
in state, or even a federal, because some very powerful forces used him to do this, and that's
00:31:31.840
what Justice Gant was saying, that they framed him, now, they, he didn't say, but, um, with the aid of
00:31:42.020
a gay priest, Father, Father Costello, with his aid, I mean, he's the one that fabricated this
00:31:47.440
allegation, the woman never did, I had to get a, I told you, an affidavit, an affidavit to prove,
00:31:52.260
you know, she, that he had lied, but even then, Comer wouldn't acknowledge that he had lied, that's
00:31:56.580
the whole point, but the point is, the reason I fought it, John, is this should be addressed,
00:32:02.940
because if it, the likelihood, as it happened to me, a likelihood, it's going to happen, it could
00:32:06.360
happen to other priests, and you know, some of the stuff we're reading about, you know, reading
00:32:10.500
about newspapers now, about the, the whole, and I don't think this, I'd like to see the FBI look at this,
00:32:15.560
really, but, you know, the whole idea of, you know, Kyle Seraph came out, that former, you know,
00:32:19.800
FBI special agent, who got that, uh, trans, got the whistleblower contacting him about this,
00:32:27.140
this analyst, FBI analyst in Virginia, I think it was, that he was recommending that the FBI
00:32:34.560
develop a network of Catholic informants, in particular, to sort of indirectly spy on these
00:32:42.700
radical, traditional Catholics, what they call, you know, these, uh, to see if they demonstrate
00:32:49.260
any radical, what is it, motivated, violent extremism, because they, they believe there
00:32:56.920
might be some sort of relationship between them, and, you know, the, white supremacists,
00:33:01.960
what have you, and, uh, not your skinheads. So, I mean, to spy on fellow Catholics, so there's
00:33:09.840
some thing here, I think it is something to do with the, some powerful people. I think it's,
00:33:16.620
they got someone, forces, dark forces, were able to, to actually use this young man with permission,
00:33:24.820
would be permission from, from the mother, but with the understanding of this, you know,
00:33:30.320
BC and John, you know what's going on here? I believe this. This is an attempt by these shadowy
00:33:37.820
forces, dark forces, which could be, could be found out, I believe, to, who are exploiting
00:33:43.020
the whole clergy, sexual use scandal. Hence, people are very, when I say people, you know,
00:33:49.240
the, the, the, um, the, the population, um, are, you know, after the whole abuse scandal,
00:33:56.780
um, they're, you know, they don't want that to happen again, and they don't want the,
00:34:02.140
priests, we have to win back our trust. So, um,
00:34:06.300
they're wary of that. So, you make an accusation about a priest like me, you know,
00:34:12.300
people are going to initially believe it. So, that's why I had to go through the whole thing to,
00:34:16.600
you know, to, to prove it wasn't, wasn't true, but it's never been acknowledged by Coleman,
00:34:21.800
who's now a longer bishop, but, but the current bishop as well.
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time. May God bless you. Final question for your father. What is this life of suffering like? Because
00:35:16.220
it is a life of suffering. You were called to the holy priesthood and you were denied to live it for
00:35:22.340
most of the time now. And what has that been like for you?
00:35:28.760
Well, you know, John, I think if anything has confirmed, that's a really good question. And it's
00:35:37.360
asked by someone that, you know, has a good prayer life, which I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do, John.
00:35:42.680
And because, you know, without a prayer life, you can't sustain this, even in your work. I mean,
00:35:48.240
you can't sustain something like this. I mean, it's a, I think if anything proved that I do have a
00:35:54.080
vote, this is amazing. It's kind of ironic. Some people would say, well, Jesus, why didn't you just
00:35:58.420
leave? Why would you want to stay a part of this institution if they tolerate this sort of abuse,
00:36:03.920
if you will, right? I said, well, I didn't go in because of any man or woman to please them. I went in
00:36:11.180
because I believe that my hot dog was calling me. You know, you read the bio. I mean, I took 10 years
00:36:15.400
off, not thinking, and I had a great job. I loved being a principal, assistant principal, high school.
00:36:20.880
It's a hockey rink right behind it. So, I mean, I went in because God's call was still there. And
00:36:27.400
little did I know this was, I mean, this was never going to happen to me. But I've, I believe,
00:36:33.580
and it has been hard. You know, John, God sustained me. By the grace of God, sustained me. And
00:36:38.380
I've had a lot of people help me with this. But what I'm having difficulty, I'm trying to get now,
00:36:45.960
it's like you're doing for me, which I'm grateful to you, Roger, is to tell about this
00:36:51.460
and possibly move the bishop to do an investigation on this, to find out who was behind this.
00:37:00.260
I mean, people say, well, it's like somebody, I say, well, I says, look, someone tries to
00:37:06.560
assassinate you. They fail. Do you just say, well, they fail to just go on with your life? No,
00:37:11.960
no, you're going to find out who it was. So they don't do it again next time, right? Because the
00:37:17.080
next time they might get you. And by the grace of God, you read the narrative. They could have
00:37:23.740
had me on stuff like this, because he wanted, this young man wanted me to do something that would,
00:37:28.880
that he could use to say, there's an example of why I think he's stalking me. But I did,
00:37:34.160
I didn't do it. I'm a former hockey coach, teacher, principal, never been accused of my life. I knew
00:37:41.060
who I am. So I fought it. For instance, one quick anecdote. When my pastor, the very general of the
00:37:49.240
diocese, said to me, oh, I just got a call from Father Costello, telling me that the mother,
00:37:55.240
she'd remarried, his name is Williams, saying that the mother took her son, Jake, out of the program
00:38:05.660
and transferring him into Costello's church because you were stalking him. So I simply said,
00:38:12.920
really? I says, well, have you spoke with the mother? He says, no, I haven't. I said, why not?
00:38:16.540
And he said, because I thought she might go to the police or to the newspapers. Now,
00:38:21.340
what was that? He was trying to intimidate me. You know, here I am, a 48-year-old guy. Now,
00:38:25.860
he's got a better principal to teach. I worked as a, you know, New York City. I've worked as a
00:38:30.080
stockbrook. Am I going to be intimidated by something like that if it's a lie? Of course not. So he
00:38:34.040
said, well, John, if you don't call, I'm going to get someone else to do it. Well, he eventually did,
00:38:37.180
but only if they basically keep reminding him. And he said, she never accused me. He says,
00:38:41.860
really? She said, I'm not surprised. So he said, well, why did Costello tell you that? That was the,
00:38:46.500
that was how it just, they went to see him. And then it was a series of lies. You get it now?
00:38:53.160
But so the more they lied, the more I said, well, you know, there's something going on here and I
00:38:57.700
need to find it out and I just want the truth. So it won't happen again. And I, by the grace of God,
00:39:04.700
it took years. But John, I want, I've been wanting to get back, but I also want to get this done.
00:39:10.860
I feel God wants me to get this done, expose it. So it won't happen to another. And also,
00:39:16.400
it's hurting the church. That's what this is all about. I mean, they're, they want to run,
00:39:22.220
they, what are these, these homosexual mafia, if you will, you know what they want. They want to run
00:39:29.360
the church or they want to, you know, they want that, that's Rose's point. That's why they,
00:39:34.720
that's why they were denying Orthodox seminarians, right? Re-envisioning a priesthood
00:39:40.300
for the new American church. So if you are, you know, if you, if you're not willing to
00:39:48.080
compromise those Orthodox views, you're not going to get in. But in my case, they, Boston
00:39:54.300
didn't want me back. When I tried to go back, they didn't want me back because they didn't
00:39:59.020
want me to tolerate that in the seminary. But then they went a step further with Costello
00:40:04.020
accusing me. That's when I fought back, you know, so anyhow, John. So John, thank you.
00:40:10.760
You know, of course, prayers are what helped, but John, thank you for this. Thank you for
00:40:15.340
this time to talk to you. I really do appreciate it. And yeah, I guess 436, I guess it's only
00:40:21.800
Well, God bless you, Father. Thank you so much for remaining faithful, despite all the
00:40:25.700
persecution you've suffered. It is really, it's a call within the call to, to suffer in this
00:40:32.080
way. And I think, God willing, enough people will contact the diocese and they'll get something
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going. So God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.
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