The John-Henry Westen Show - Catholic Priest SUES Pro-LGBT Church Leadership ｜ Fr. John Harrington

00:00:00.000 What's transpired is what ultimately led me to this situation, basically because I spoke

00:00:07.260 out about it and I attempted to get to the truth behind the event.

00:00:15.540 It has resulted in my, if you will, being a canceled priest.

00:00:26.180 Father Jack Harrington, welcome to the program.

00:00:28.260 Thank you, Jeff.

00:00:30.040 Really, it's good to be here.

00:00:32.140 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:00:34.080 Father, if you can lead us, please.

00:00:35.260 In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, amen.

00:00:37.900 Amen.

00:00:39.740 So, Father, as one, I mean, when we first met, we were at the Conference of Canceled Priests, 0.80

00:00:45.260 or for Canceled Priests, and wanted to ask you, you know, well, tell us, why were you

00:00:52.060 canceled?

00:00:52.340 What led to this in your life?

00:00:55.520 And give us a little bit of background about your life as a priest.

00:00:59.060 Well, John, that may take up a lot of the interview, because as you saw probably from the bullet

00:01:04.500 chronology, which I sent to you, it goes way back to the late 1980s when I was attending

00:01:14.800 St. John's Seminary for the first time.

00:01:18.480 And I had an experience with a, I should say, I experienced a sexual overture by the academic

00:01:29.760 dean.

00:01:30.640 The name is public.

00:01:31.720 His name is Father Jack Farrell, because I, as you see from the bio, I did file a canon law

00:01:37.880 case in civil law case in any event.

00:01:40.540 What happened, what transpired is what ultimately led me to this situation, basically because

00:01:48.940 I spoke out about it.

00:01:50.260 And I attempted to get to the truth behind the event, and it has resulted in my, if you

00:02:04.060 will, being a canceled priest.

00:02:05.320 And I, I guess what I should say is that it was at St. John's Seminary from 1988 to 1991.

00:02:15.840 The sexual overture by the, by the, the academic dean occurred in 88.

00:02:23.540 It was reported to the rector and eventually reported to canon law via a priest from Canada.

00:02:31.720 You probably saw from the ball of chronology, actually the father, Kevin McKenna, who was

00:02:36.820 substituting for a priest who, at St. John's Calvary, who incidentally was, was, was, had

00:02:42.960 been arrested and put in jail for arresting boys.

00:02:48.000 And we just, I had gone to Boston College as the judge of the college.

00:02:52.320 And we just, you know, we started talking and one thing led to another.

00:02:54.980 He knew my uncle, whom I actually got up here to visit.

00:02:58.120 And after telling him this, he said, does the canon law, I said, no, I don't think he does

00:03:03.240 because the rector didn't refer it enough to go any further.

00:03:08.380 And so we ended up, I should say, he ended up writing a letter to the canon law with my

00:03:13.560 assistants in the canon to get it.

00:03:16.260 And when I returned to the seminary in the fall of 89, I met with his auxiliary bishop

00:03:21.920 banks and we discussed the letter and I was somewhat indirectly reprimanded by auxiliary

00:03:29.100 bishop banks because I didn't keep it within the diocese, you know, because I told Father

00:03:33.600 McKenna and he wrote, but it was a very appropriate act by Father McKenna because of what was going

00:03:41.540 on in Canada at the time.

00:03:43.240 He had told me, he says, you know, he should know that we are going through our own right

00:03:48.660 now, and this was the late, again, late 80s, and he said the bishop of St. John's, I think

00:03:54.540 his name was Haypenny, I seem to recall, is about to tender his resignation because he

00:03:59.480 didn't address it.

00:04:00.600 So it was kind of a forewarning to kind of a law to clean up if there was any abuse going

00:04:06.920 on in the seminary of a sexual predation, he should address it.

00:04:11.100 It could happen to him.

00:04:11.900 Well, he didn't really address it, and a little over 10 years later, he ended up resigning,

00:04:19.800 as you know, sadly, you know, in disgrace for letting the homosexual behavior priests get 0.91

00:04:28.420 out of hand.

00:04:29.360 So, you know, John, very quickly, I mean, I left the seminary in 91.

00:04:35.260 John had something to do with that, because he was still there teaching, and I decided

00:04:44.080 just to, you know, to take some time off.

00:04:45.620 It wasn't the only reason.

00:04:46.820 I still needed some time, I think, to discern.

00:04:48.320 Well, I did discern and ended up coming back, and when I reapplied to St. John's, a little

00:04:55.160 over 10 years later, because I left in 91, he applied actually there in 2002.

00:04:59.560 2002, I wasn't accepted.

00:05:02.640 And kind of law, of course, was still there.

00:05:05.000 He had not, you know, the whole abuse care had not come out, and they didn't want me back,

00:05:13.160 is what it turned out.

00:05:15.200 It's actually, you know, my case is somewhere right out of Michael Rose's book, The Goodbye,

00:05:19.520 Big Men, where he talks about the priest makers, vocation directors, the,

00:05:29.020 rectors, formation advisors, if you will, that were entertaining or had thoughts of re-envisioning

00:05:38.300 the church, or re-envisioning the priesthood.

00:05:40.880 And I think my reporting, one of those re-envisioning the priesthood is, of course, the issue of homosexuality, 0.99

00:05:48.960 which, you know, as we speak, we know what's going on in Germany with the citadel way of the

00:05:54.340 bishops, and they're trying to get, if you will, one of the things in favor of the blessing

00:06:00.620 of same-sex marriage is, we know what James, Father James Martin, is a great advocate of

00:06:06.260 the LGBTQ, you know, movement, in particular Catholics, and indirectly endorsing it, you

00:06:12.940 know, in that behavior, which is same-sex marriage, saying, I think he even said it's a

00:06:18.980 sacred act. And so I think when I ported the academic dean, which nothing came of it, it

00:06:26.240 was clear to them I didn't share that vision, and they didn't want me back. So they sent

00:06:30.380 me to a rogue psychologist. And he did a job on, it was based on just interviews, and he

00:06:37.220 just misrepresented me in the interviews. He just, such that they had, they couldn't accept

00:06:43.020 me. He just maligned me, just wrote things that I didn't say to him. And so I was rejected

00:06:52.380 at St. John's. And that would have been again in 2002. Unfortunately, I applied to Fall River

00:07:01.400 Diocese shortly after that. And Cardinal O'Malley, President Cardinal O'Malley, who was actually

00:07:08.020 the Bishop of Fall River, he accepted me. I went to this, like, oh, there's no problems.

00:07:12.200 And they sent me to Mount St. Mary's, where I did my seminary studies from 2002 to 2004.

00:07:17.980 And I was a Dane in 2004 by Bishop Coleman, who succeeded O'Malley when O'Malley was sent

00:07:24.600 to Pot Beach in Florida. So, you know what, I can go on with this because that's not, that's

00:07:33.380 the genesis that ultimately would lead to my being a canceled priest. I'll try to be very

00:07:41.460 quick with it then, and you can go from there. But six months after my ordination, in June

00:07:49.160 of 2004, a priest in the Diocese of Fall River, who had happened to just happen to be a very

00:07:56.700 close friend, student of the priest I had reported, Father Jack Fowler, the academic dean, back in

00:08:05.100 1988, was a good friend of his as a student. And subsequently after that, he'd be in touch

00:08:14.700 with him. I know that from actually a relative of one of those priests. And it was a pay, I

00:08:22.240 think it was just an outright payback. He, what he did, sorry, he fabricated an allegation

00:08:28.920 about me that said, some woman accused me of stalking her son. And I discussed that, I

00:08:36.620 just, in the, in the narrative I gave you, that's, that's amply, which I know that I think

00:08:41.800 you had a chance to read, that's amply, you know, discussed with, you know, detail, discussed

00:08:48.900 with detail. And it simply turned out to be, it was a total fabrication. But I had to go

00:08:54.700 through, jump through a lot of hoops. I'm talking about, I mean, I filed a civil action

00:09:00.160 on this. The judge was very sympathetic to me. And we would, it was a defamation case.

00:09:08.220 And, and he, with the, with the actually assistance of my pastor, who was actually the general of

00:09:14.260 the diocese at the time, but they were very close friends. Is it John Perry? John, John,

00:09:21.980 I don't believe it was a gay priest at all. I just think he should be close friends with

00:09:25.280 Father Costello. But he was part of the whole sort of attempt to, to make, make that allegation

00:09:37.020 stick, if you will. I had to get affidavits from the woman herself, you know, from her sister

00:09:43.680 signed up. I gave, I think you, I think you've seen all these documents, John. So I could let

00:09:47.820 you, I don't want to go on and on, but what, how this resulted is I spoke up about it. They

00:09:54.120 wouldn't tell me the name of the person who had told them that I had stocked this, this

00:10:00.260 young man. They, they were just, it was, it turned out to be just a total fabrication.

00:10:07.320 And, until you probably knew it was, I learned that from him later. He told me that it was

00:10:13.480 actually the priest. So why engage in it? I don't know. But I wanted to get to the truth

00:10:21.780 of this thing, and the bishop got upset at me. He just wanted me to drop it. And I said,

00:10:27.000 well, I will. Then he said, I want you to go to a psychologist. I said, why? Because he

00:10:30.440 says, you spoke out to the Christians about it, which I did, but, you know, briefly. And

00:10:35.360 he got upset. I said, well, I'll tell you, I will. I'll go. I have nothing to hide. But

00:10:41.620 even though I've been, I've been dealt a bad hand about this in Boston, I said, oh, I mean,

00:10:47.300 I'll go. But I said, I'd like you to tell me the truth, acknowledge that Costello fabricated

00:10:52.740 this thing. It took me a while to get to that, to prove that he had. But the bishop wouldn't

00:10:56.520 do that. And he got upset at me. He just took me out of the parish and sent me to, basically,

00:11:00.840 to the priest's hostel. Well, eventually, I filed a can of lawsuit. It was after that

00:11:05.720 that he took me out of the hostel, because I was trying to get to the truth of this thing,

00:11:12.340 to the church. Initially, through the church, through the canonical process, they didn't

00:11:16.300 get me anywhere, though, because the bishop and the judicial vicar had more of a side with

00:11:21.500 this priest. Coleman came from within the diocese. He had built up a network of friends.

00:11:27.260 It explains why the priest often selects bishops or priests outside the diocese. They're going

00:11:34.340 to appoint a bishop, because they know that. But he didn't. So eventually, just, he evicted

00:11:40.440 me from the diocese. In fact, I can't wear blacks in public, but I can wear them in my own

00:11:46.220 home. So that's why I have them on today, you know?

00:11:49.300 So, John, what it boils down to is I persisted in trying to get to the truth of this thing.

00:11:58.280 And as it turned out, remarkably, astonishingly, actually, is that what I learned from going

00:12:07.380 through the civil process, the justices helped me a great deal. I mean, the justice of the

00:12:15.560 Devin Superior Court said, it is undisputed that Harrington never stalked the Williams boy,

00:12:22.200 the Graham boy, I'm sorry, his name is Graham, but his mother remarries Williams, the Graham

00:12:26.180 boy, that the statements when made by both defendants were harmful and scandalous and

00:12:33.620 devastating to the plaintiff's, you know, reputation. So she, in the memory of the decision,

00:12:37.960 in order, but she said, you missed the statute. Because I tried to solve it in the church,

00:12:44.600 and three years had expired. But we took, we could, you thought we trumped, we could trump

00:12:48.140 it. Well, we didn't trump it. But it also ended up going to, we appealed it. We lost the appeal

00:12:53.320 two to one. But then we went, then the Supreme Court of Massachusetts heard the case, which we

00:12:58.540 hadn't requested. They actually contacted us, my lawyer, and they wanted to hear it. And it

00:13:04.700 was at that hearing, that Justice Gant, G-E-A-N-T, who subsequently became the Chief Justice of the

00:13:12.800 Massachusetts Supreme Court, I think around 2018, he said at the hearing, for everyone to hear, he says

00:13:18.700 he was framed. And I didn't really know, when he said that, it was then that I began to say,

00:13:28.480 I think I know now what one of the relatives of the young man said to me, way at the beginning,

00:13:34.080 when I got the letter, I got the death he gave us, signed by his mother and his sister.

00:13:41.140 And when he said, why, when he indirectly, this person indirectly said to me, why are they using

00:13:47.460 this book, Jake Graham, to go after you? That's what he was telling me. But I mean, he said,

00:13:54.760 why are they going after you? I didn't know what he, I didn't know what this person meant.

00:13:58.920 But Justice Gant said, because in the narrative you read, it's very evident in that narrative,

00:14:07.580 that young man, who was a junior, in a 9th and 10th confirmation program, did not want to be

00:14:13.840 confirmed. Sadly, he just made, he, if you will, he said a number of falsehoods. And it was only then I

00:14:24.040 concluded he was actually trying to, the green news are going to set me up to make a look like I was

00:14:29.600 shocking him, which, which is a very malicious thing to do. And I have no doubt in my mind,

00:14:39.680 that's exactly why he was in there, because, because he ended up dropping out of the program

00:14:44.900 under false pretenses, you know, not because of me, but allegedly because of me, but it wasn't that

00:14:52.940 at all, simply because he, it was, he might be, he might be confirmed. So, right. So, Father, tell us,

00:15:01.200 tell us, how long were you an active priest?

00:15:04.040 Well, good job, just a little over a year. The day in June of 2040 withdrew me in 2005. So,

00:15:11.600 you can, you know, you can add that up. I mean, I've been, I've been an inactive priest now since

00:15:16.240 2000, November of 2005. That's going to be 18 years this November.

00:15:22.560 Hey, my friends, now is the time to stand up and fight. We are just about to have the Synod on

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00:15:34.640 We have Father James Martin as a personal appointee of the Pope speaking at it. We've got

00:15:41.320 Cardinal Cupich, Cardinal Tobin, these picks of the Pope to engage in this Synod are indicative of

00:15:49.840 where we're going. We're going into heresy. And at these times of great crisis, the church,

00:15:57.860 especially those called in the laity to work for the glory of Christ in his church, are called to

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00:17:14.980 You're, this fellow at the seminary that approached you and so on. What's become of him? He's deceased

00:17:24.840 now, is he? Nothing. He was still the academic dean and teacher at the seminary after kind of a lot

00:17:31.060 got this information, this letter from Ian after I spoke with him. In fact, when I spoke with Bishop

00:17:36.220 Banks, who represented Count O'Malley after getting his letter, he said to me, all right, so I have a

00:17:42.160 priest in my hands. What am I to do about it? That's what he said to me. And I said, I remember

00:17:47.180 saying, I said, well, you know, a man should be able to come in here, a candidate for priesthood

00:17:50.640 and discern his vocation to priesthood without being, you know, without being subjected to sexual

00:17:57.500 harassment or sexual overtures by a faculty member. And he didn't say anything. And, but the fact

00:18:05.400 is, nothing happened to him to my daughter's next year, which would have been 80, it would have been,

00:18:09.940 I met him in the fall of 89 after my first year, in 89, 90, that I was teaching patristics and I had

00:18:15.840 him for patristics. And he was there the next year. So law didn't really do much about it.

00:18:22.280 And what's become of him now?

00:18:24.380 He's just retired. He's retired. Yeah. A member of the, you know, the Archdiocese. Yeah. I,

00:18:30.320 I haven't heard much really about him, you know?

00:18:32.960 Right. With, but retired without any sanction, without any penalty whatsoever.

00:18:39.760 No, actually, John, you should know this by now yourself, that it's usually the person that speaks

00:18:45.680 up. It exposes this stuff. Of course, that's one of the themes of Rose's book, right? If a seminarian,

00:18:52.420 or even if, you know, in the case of some priests, if they speak up, if they witness something, 0.60

00:18:58.620 and particularly if it's the homo lobby, the homosexual current, you know, which is, you 0.91

00:19:03.100 know, Bishop Bagan is the word current in the church, they run the risk of being, you know, 0.76

00:19:08.760 of being subject to reprisals by priests in the diocese. I mean, I think that's one of the,

00:19:16.120 you know, the, so that's what happens. And that's exactly what happens to me. I mean, I, of course,

00:19:22.720 that I think that was going to happen at the time. No, but my goodness, it's, I've never been

00:19:29.420 accused in my life. I'm not even suspended, actually. I just, my, my faculties were thrown

00:19:33.700 because I didn't go to a psychologist. That's why I'm not suspended. I haven't committed any time.

00:19:39.600 Right. So father, you're able to celebrate masses privately for yourself.

00:19:44.700 That's right. That's right.

00:19:45.780 At your own home or whatever.

00:19:47.060 Yeah. Yeah. Which I will do actually after this interview, I'll celebrate mass today. I think

00:19:51.280 it's St. Clair's Feasting. It is indeed. Yeah. So how do you then live out your life? Because I

00:19:57.140 mean, this, this happened to you so soon after ordination. And were you in a parish, you were

00:20:03.960 an associate pastor or something like that for, for that year? Well, I mean, I was, I was the

00:20:08.400 parochial vicar. My pastor was a vicar general. So he was, I think, four days a week, he was actually

00:20:14.060 serving vicar general at the, at the, at the, at the chancery. So, I mean, I was just, you know,

00:20:19.680 fulfilling my duties as a, as a, you know, as a daily priest often. I mean, I, you know,

00:20:24.240 my, I regularly visited the hospital. I had to cover the hospital two days a week. We

00:20:30.360 covered that and visited every Catholic patient in the hospital. I used to give a talk at the,

00:20:35.220 at the, it's a halfway house for addicts, men, male addicts in Miller House in, in Falmouth,

00:20:45.600 Woods Hole, section of Falmouth. I gave a talk to you once a month. They, that, one of the guys

00:20:51.040 that was actually a parishioner used to come in the house and he asked me. So I did that,

00:20:54.500 which I enjoyed very much. I also, you know, I had a, we had a youth mass going. It sat in a youth mass

00:21:00.700 music and the rest for the high school kids. We took a ski trip. We, I played hockey at Boston

00:21:08.480 College. So I played hockey in high school and I coached high school hockey when I was a teacher.

00:21:15.160 And, and so, you know, we had, we had a little hockey get together one night, but the local

00:21:21.520 rink. And, you know, in addition to just, you know, visiting, visiting a lot, you know, on the

00:21:26.040 Sunday where I was, was one of the nursing homes, actually the nursing homes, I used about three

00:21:31.080 of them in Falmouth. So visit, you know, visit the nursing homes. I really, I really enjoyed

00:21:36.440 being a priest. I mean, I enjoyed it. I did it. And I miss it immensely. It's been

00:21:44.960 very, very difficult. I mean, not being back in ministry, I just, but what has happened

00:21:53.440 since, you know, the pursuit, I've gotten to a truth I never, never thought I wouldn't

00:21:58.840 get to. And that is an attempt by some nefarious forces, malicious forces, probably connected

00:22:07.780 to the whole homosexual government in the church, being that the guy that fabricated is Costello, 0.84

00:22:13.280 who was subsequently five, six years later after this, and this would have been, again, 2005,

00:22:19.540 when it occurred, 2012, he was removed from his parish because of a, because of an immoral

00:22:24.900 relationship with a young man, for which he was arrested for, actually, when he was his pastor

00:22:31.600 in a parish in Seacont.

00:22:38.460 When I was in seminary, I was reading a book by Henry Nouwen. He talked about a nuclear man,

00:22:44.460 you know, and people who grew up in the 1980s were kind of formed by that immediate and constant

00:22:50.520 threat of nuclear annihilation. My generation has grown up, you know, under the specter of priestly

00:22:59.560 sexual abuse. I think that for many of us that has also been all-encompassing, you know, I mean,

00:23:10.520 I entered the seminary in January of 2004, and it's basically been there for me from in the beginning.

00:23:17.380 And remind us again, he was the sort of former student friend of...

00:23:40.560 Yes, yeah.

00:23:41.700 Yeah.

00:23:42.460 But he also attended, again, I won't reveal his person's name, but I was a relative

00:23:47.480 of one of the two of them. I have the person's name. I talked about it. He was actually used to attend

00:23:53.880 parties, but Faro used to have parties, priest parties, what do you mean to say?

00:24:00.520 When I could actually, actually, I think he was also when he was a teacher, but also as a priest,

00:24:03.980 and Carselli used to go to those parties. So he was, and Faro was an active homosexual, and, and, and, 0.80

00:24:10.560 and Carselli, again, was arrested, as I just said, in 2012, relationship with the young man, 0.85

00:24:16.780 actually, from what I've learned as a male prostitute, he's paying money for himself.

00:24:21.420 So at that point, when he got arrested, was there then any kind of redress toward you? Like

00:24:29.600 any opportunity for you to say, wait a minute, that's the same guy who charged me false. You

00:24:34.700 knew it was a false charge. Now that guy is arrested for homosexual encounters. Now you're

00:24:43.340 not going to do anything with me? What happened then?

00:24:46.040 John, actually, worse than that, he was actually set, and this is tragic, he was murdered, actually,

00:24:51.580 himself, because after that occurred with that young man in, in, it was in Seacock, as I say,

00:25:00.140 right on the border of Rhode Island, he was, he's retired, he stayed a step down, but nothing,

00:25:05.780 I mean, he wasn't stripped of his faculties like me, you know, wasn't taking his clerics,

00:25:09.780 and, you know, to take his clerics off, he just retired quietly, but he apparently had a place

00:25:14.460 in Padre Island, Texas, and I learned, this was about five years ago, I think, if I'm right,

00:25:20.200 there was a, from a priest, I bumped into him, a family, actually, it was probably,

00:25:24.720 he said, like, in a series of works of national, national, national, national, by the Ethics

00:25:30.540 Institute in, in Pennsylvania, um, yeah, it's first name, actually, you know, but many of

00:25:36.300 that, um, he said he had just learned that he was actually, his body was found, and it

00:25:42.440 looks, um, again, about five years ago, so even after that, he said to me, the priest said,

00:25:48.720 you know, that should, you know, that might help, you know, and that he was, uh, troubled,

00:25:52.260 and praised, and I says, well, it, John, actually, the, we have come close a couple of times to

00:26:01.820 getting back into ministry, I was very fortunate to have the, my canon lawyer began the vicar

00:26:06.240 general of the diocese about four or five years ago, and he is my canon lawyer, but even as

00:26:12.040 vicar general, he was trying to help me get back, he wanted me to be his assistant, his name

00:26:16.200 was Father Richard Wilson, and the, the vicar of clergy, Father Dave Pignata,

00:26:22.080 and also, there's a woman they had hired, Bish, current bishop, Father Ducunia, who was

00:26:27.600 an auxiliary in Newark, he's been bishop here now for about five years, all three of

00:26:33.140 them, and, you know, they were familiar with my case, oh, the one, it was, I'm sorry,

00:26:36.520 a woman had been hired, it was a legal background, it's a director of priest's 0.51

00:26:40.480 accountability and, uh, professional standards, she had gone to my vice's father, you

00:26:45.640 know, you, you, you were, you have not gotten justice, we're going to meet with the

00:26:49.420 bishop, three of us with you, and try to get you back, well, the bishop canceled the

00:26:53.800 meeting, this is, this would have been about a little over a year ago, just canceled it,

00:26:58.000 because I think he knew those three supported me, and all we were asking for, and they all

00:27:02.940 agreed, was an acknowledgement that Costello had fabricated this allegation against me,

00:27:08.260 he wouldn't do that, neither would Coleman, again, protecting, you know, protecting the

00:27:14.480 priest, now, your question is why, and again, as you know, it's pretty common behavior within,

00:27:23.160 it's becoming more common in the church to protect, well, we know, like, the whole scandal,

00:27:28.020 you know, one of the reasons for the scandal, way back, I mean, Lawler talks about this in

00:27:32.240 his book, the, um, the faithful department, the classic Boston culture, Phil Lawler, who's

00:27:37.440 the editor of the newspaper, I mean, Phil wrote a few letters to me trying to help him with

00:27:40.940 this, you know, he just, you know, there's basically the three problems that led to the,

00:27:46.680 well, with the, with the scandal, retrospect, he said, you know, the three things that have

00:27:50.440 occurred, one is that there was a young, young men, adolescents, were, uh, uh, the priests

00:27:57.860 molested a number of boys, they were primarily adolescent boys, and the other one is the complicity

00:28:05.080 of the bishops, this is the bishop accepted the first two, you know, predation of, of boys

00:28:10.380 by homosexual priests, but they, they've never acknowledged their own responsibility or their 0.84

00:28:16.280 own sort of part in that scandal, and it was logical, because then he was just, were just, 0.82

00:28:21.740 like in Boston, and Lawler did it, they were moving, these priests to differing, Lawler did

00:28:27.400 it with Gagin, and he did it also with the two biggest offenders, Gagin, and also Paul Shanley,

00:28:33.680 they were moved to different marriages, and Lawler, who came in in 84, he knew their record,

00:28:38.960 you know, he came in, he knew their record in the, in the 70s, 80s, and of course, Lawler,

00:28:44.940 you know, was there from 84 to 2002, and he resigned, but he was moving them to different

00:28:49.240 places, and they were still committing it, so, um, anyhow, John, but, John, anyhow, I'll let

00:28:57.820 you ask a question, I'm sorry, I don't want to.

00:28:59.960 Yeah, no, no, that's, it's just stunning, that even after this is shown, proven, and

00:29:07.880 then the very accuser himself gets embroiled in what he was trying to pretend you were

00:29:15.460 accused of, uh, and then ends up killed or whatever, and still no address, um, that's

00:29:23.180 just mind-boggling, what, what can, what can people do now?

00:29:28.280 Right, right now, what you're doing, actually, my, you know, Church Militant, if you watch

00:29:33.800 that Vortex, they recommend it to Rachel, just for some context and historical sort of, um,

00:29:38.500 information, is that, John, what I want right now, and I've been asking for, and actually,

00:29:44.840 Father Wilson, who's no longer a bigger generalist, he's back in the past, but Father Ignata is,

00:29:50.200 is the bigger clergy, unfortunately, the woman resigned, left the, left the diocese, a nice,

00:29:56.100 nice woman, very capable, um, and Father David Grieve, there should be, there should have been,

00:30:02.960 even under Coleman, but especially, you know, Bishop Becunia, there should be an investigation

00:30:07.840 as to who used this minor, who himself actually went on to, sadly, again, he went on to get into

00:30:17.580 some big-time trouble himself, uh, a couple of years after this, he ended up getting arrested

00:30:23.760 and breaking into a home and beating up the homeowner, and he was sent to prison, he's lucky,

00:30:28.400 he only got a mine, he only, he was only sentenced to scare him, but he could have got a sentence,

00:30:32.820 he was 17, I think, at the time, was in the newspaper, but the point is,

00:30:37.840 um, there should be, should have been done, and that's why I'm trying to get this out,

00:30:44.900 an investigation as to the forces that used this kid, this, this young man, to try to set me up for

00:30:52.220 stalking, I mean, John, by the grace of God, I just did everything by the book, because what a,

00:30:57.520 what a, what a king got, what a was, when I was trying to set me out, well, I think he did a great deal

00:31:03.000 on this thing, the king was actually, the king was actually asking a favor of me, indirectly asking

00:31:08.660 a favor of me, and, um, to, you read the narrative, John, I don't know if I want to go into it, but

00:31:17.580 let me just suffice, there should be an investigation into this, I mean, even, it shouldn't be

00:31:22.960 in state, or even a federal, because some very powerful forces used him to do this, and that's

00:31:31.840 what Justice Gant was saying, that they framed him, now, they, he didn't say, but, um, with the aid of

00:31:42.020 a gay priest, Father, Father Costello, with his aid, I mean, he's the one that fabricated this 1.00

00:31:47.440 allegation, the woman never did, I had to get a, I told you, an affidavit, an affidavit to prove, 0.55

00:31:52.260 you know, she, that he had lied, but even then, Comer wouldn't acknowledge that he had lied, that's

00:31:56.580 the whole point, but the point is, the reason I fought it, John, is this should be addressed,

00:32:02.940 because if it, the likelihood, as it happened to me, a likelihood, it's going to happen, it could

00:32:06.360 happen to other priests, and you know, some of the stuff we're reading about, you know, reading

00:32:10.500 about newspapers now, about the, the whole, and I don't think this, I'd like to see the FBI look at this,

00:32:15.560 really, but, you know, the whole idea of, you know, Kyle Seraph came out, that former, you know,

00:32:19.800 FBI special agent, who got that, uh, trans, got the whistleblower contacting him about this,

00:32:27.140 this analyst, FBI analyst in Virginia, I think it was, that he was recommending that the FBI

00:32:34.560 develop a network of Catholic informants, in particular, to sort of indirectly spy on these

00:32:42.700 radical, traditional Catholics, what they call, you know, these, uh, to see if they demonstrate

00:32:49.260 any radical, what is it, motivated, violent extremism, because they, they believe there

00:32:56.920 might be some sort of relationship between them, and, you know, the, white supremacists,

00:33:01.960 what have you, and, uh, not your skinheads. So, I mean, to spy on fellow Catholics, so there's 0.93

00:33:09.840 some thing here, I think it is something to do with the, some powerful people. I think it's,

00:33:16.620 they got someone, forces, dark forces, were able to, to actually use this young man with permission,

00:33:24.820 would be permission from, from the mother, but with the understanding of this, you know,

00:33:30.320 BC and John, you know what's going on here? I believe this. This is an attempt by these shadowy

00:33:37.820 forces, dark forces, which could be, could be found out, I believe, to, who are exploiting

00:33:43.020 the whole clergy, sexual use scandal. Hence, people are very, when I say people, you know,

00:33:49.240 the, the, the, um, the, the population, um, are, you know, after the whole abuse scandal,

00:33:56.780 um, they're, you know, they don't want that to happen again, and they don't want the,

00:34:02.140 priests, we have to win back our trust. So, um,

00:34:06.300 they're wary of that. So, you make an accusation about a priest like me, you know,

00:34:12.300 people are going to initially believe it. So, that's why I had to go through the whole thing to,

00:34:16.600 you know, to, to prove it wasn't, wasn't true, but it's never been acknowledged by Coleman,

00:34:21.800 who's now a longer bishop, but, but the current bishop as well.

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00:35:06.180 time. May God bless you. Final question for your father. What is this life of suffering like? Because

00:35:16.220 it is a life of suffering. You were called to the holy priesthood and you were denied to live it for

00:35:22.340 most of the time now. And what has that been like for you?

00:35:28.760 Well, you know, John, I think if anything has confirmed, that's a really good question. And it's

00:35:37.360 asked by someone that, you know, has a good prayer life, which I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do, John.

00:35:42.680 And because, you know, without a prayer life, you can't sustain this, even in your work. I mean, 0.92

00:35:48.240 you can't sustain something like this. I mean, it's a, I think if anything proved that I do have a

00:35:54.080 vote, this is amazing. It's kind of ironic. Some people would say, well, Jesus, why didn't you just

00:35:58.420 leave? Why would you want to stay a part of this institution if they tolerate this sort of abuse,

00:36:03.920 if you will, right? I said, well, I didn't go in because of any man or woman to please them. I went in

00:36:11.180 because I believe that my hot dog was calling me. You know, you read the bio. I mean, I took 10 years

00:36:15.400 off, not thinking, and I had a great job. I loved being a principal, assistant principal, high school.

00:36:20.880 It's a hockey rink right behind it. So, I mean, I went in because God's call was still there. And

00:36:27.400 little did I know this was, I mean, this was never going to happen to me. But I've, I believe,

00:36:33.580 and it has been hard. You know, John, God sustained me. By the grace of God, sustained me. And

00:36:38.380 I've had a lot of people help me with this. But what I'm having difficulty, I'm trying to get now,

00:36:45.960 it's like you're doing for me, which I'm grateful to you, Roger, is to tell about this

00:36:51.460 and possibly move the bishop to do an investigation on this, to find out who was behind this.

00:37:00.260 I mean, people say, well, it's like somebody, I say, well, I says, look, someone tries to

00:37:06.560 assassinate you. They fail. Do you just say, well, they fail to just go on with your life? No,

00:37:11.960 no, you're going to find out who it was. So they don't do it again next time, right? Because the

00:37:17.080 next time they might get you. And by the grace of God, you read the narrative. They could have

00:37:23.740 had me on stuff like this, because he wanted, this young man wanted me to do something that would,

00:37:28.880 that he could use to say, there's an example of why I think he's stalking me. But I did,

00:37:34.160 I didn't do it. I'm a former hockey coach, teacher, principal, never been accused of my life. I knew

00:37:41.060 who I am. So I fought it. For instance, one quick anecdote. When my pastor, the very general of the

00:37:49.240 diocese, said to me, oh, I just got a call from Father Costello, telling me that the mother,

00:37:55.240 she'd remarried, his name is Williams, saying that the mother took her son, Jake, out of the program

00:38:05.660 and transferring him into Costello's church because you were stalking him. So I simply said,

00:38:12.920 really? I says, well, have you spoke with the mother? He says, no, I haven't. I said, why not?

00:38:16.540 And he said, because I thought she might go to the police or to the newspapers. Now,

00:38:21.340 what was that? He was trying to intimidate me. You know, here I am, a 48-year-old guy. Now,

00:38:25.860 he's got a better principal to teach. I worked as a, you know, New York City. I've worked as a

00:38:30.080 stockbrook. Am I going to be intimidated by something like that if it's a lie? Of course not. So he

00:38:34.040 said, well, John, if you don't call, I'm going to get someone else to do it. Well, he eventually did,

00:38:37.180 but only if they basically keep reminding him. And he said, she never accused me. He says,

00:38:41.860 really? She said, I'm not surprised. So he said, well, why did Costello tell you that? That was the,

00:38:46.500 that was how it just, they went to see him. And then it was a series of lies. You get it now?

00:38:53.160 But so the more they lied, the more I said, well, you know, there's something going on here and I

00:38:57.700 need to find it out and I just want the truth. So it won't happen again. And I, by the grace of God,

00:39:04.700 it took years. But John, I want, I've been wanting to get back, but I also want to get this done.

00:39:10.860 I feel God wants me to get this done, expose it. So it won't happen to another. And also,

00:39:16.400 it's hurting the church. That's what this is all about. I mean, they're, they want to run,

00:39:22.220 they, what are these, these homosexual mafia, if you will, you know what they want. They want to run 1.00

00:39:29.360 the church or they want to, you know, they want that, that's Rose's point. That's why they,

00:39:34.720 that's why they were denying Orthodox seminarians, right? Re-envisioning a priesthood 0.99

00:39:40.300 for the new American church. So if you are, you know, if you, if you're not willing to

00:39:48.080 compromise those Orthodox views, you're not going to get in. But in my case, they, Boston 0.74

00:39:54.300 didn't want me back. When I tried to go back, they didn't want me back because they didn't

00:39:59.020 want me to tolerate that in the seminary. But then they went a step further with Costello

00:40:04.020 accusing me. That's when I fought back, you know, so anyhow, John. So John, thank you.

00:40:10.760 You know, of course, prayers are what helped, but John, thank you for this. Thank you for

00:40:15.340 this time to talk to you. I really do appreciate it. And yeah, I guess 436, I guess it's only

00:40:20.140 better for, you know, but now.

00:40:21.800 Well, God bless you, Father. Thank you so much for remaining faithful, despite all the

00:40:25.700 persecution you've suffered. It is really, it's a call within the call to, to suffer in this

00:40:32.080 way. And I think, God willing, enough people will contact the diocese and they'll get something

00:40:41.000 going. So God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - August 21, 2023

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