The John-Henry Westen Show - Catholic princess exposes ‘anti-Christian’ globalists, promotes Our Lady of Fatima

00:00:00.760 Welcome to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show. I'm your host John Henry Weston and pleased to bring you today our interview with Gloria, Princess of Thurn and Taxis.

00:00:10.280 Princess Gloria is one of the wealthiest women in Germany. She's also one of the most fascinating women in the world today.

00:00:17.200 Born of German nobility in 1960, at 20 years old she married Johannes, the 11th Prince of Thurn and Taxis, who was quite a bit older.

00:00:26.120 She became a storybook princess of the 80s, living the Jetstead lifestyle with friends including Mick Jagger and Andy Warhol.

00:00:35.040 Her luxurious lifestyle and at times wild fashion led her to be dubbed the Punk Princess and Princess TNT.

00:00:43.400 Warhol's artwork of the crucifixion graces the princess's palatial Rome apartment where we met to tape our show in her private chapel.

00:00:52.060 Princess Gloria is described by Wikipedia as a German socialite, a businesswoman, philanthropist, Catholic activist and artist.

00:01:00.580 But her faith blossomed after her husband's death, which left her with three little children and hundreds of millions in debt.

00:01:08.600 She had to sell off property, jewelry, cars and much more and reorganize the family finances to preserve the family fortune. 1.00

00:01:16.260 A devout Catholic and traditional Catholic, who is close to Pope Benedict XVI, to Cardinals Müller and Cardinal Burke,

00:01:25.860 she defies the false characterization of traditional Catholics.

00:01:30.100 She loves the poor and cares for them like few others do.

00:01:33.780 In fact, Gloria's family serves 300 hot meals to the poor every day,

00:01:38.560 a tradition which has carried on for 100 years now at the family's 500-room castle in Germany.

00:01:46.460 At the same time, Gloria is a personal friend of Hillary Clinton, whose birthday Gloria attended,

00:01:53.000 and in March, Clinton attended the funeral of Gloria's sister Maya.

00:01:57.600 Without further ado, here is our interview with Princess Gloria.

00:02:02.720 Welcome to this special edition of the John Henry Weston Show.

00:02:05.640 Coming to you from Rome, where we're very pleased to be with Princess Gloria Turnantaxis.

00:02:12.520 Welcome, Princess Gloria.

00:02:13.640 Thank you very much.

00:02:15.240 You've probably heard of Princess Gloria.

00:02:16.980 She's been in the news lately with regard to the Holy Father.

00:02:20.940 She was covered in December in the New York Times,

00:02:23.520 talking about, rather controversially, about the Holy Father.

00:02:28.300 And more recently as well, when the Holy Father made comments on Verona.

00:02:31.600 And so we're going to give Princess Gloria a chance to speak in her own words,

00:02:36.360 rather than edited by some editor at the New York Times.

00:02:39.700 So, Princess Gloria, things have been in the church for the past five years or so rather strained.

00:02:48.500 There's a lot of division.

00:02:51.960 And, first of all, how do you see that, and what do you see your role in that?

00:02:59.420 Well, I try to ignore the division, because division is always something negative.

00:03:05.920 So, my way forward always is to be somebody that is very welcoming,

00:03:12.560 and also to live and do everything by the example.

00:03:17.140 Like, I want to be a straightforward Catholic, like I have always been,

00:03:22.880 and not get distracted by the modern stuff.

00:03:28.020 You're very into the tradition of the church.

00:03:32.560 You were inspired by Cardinal Ratzinger, then Pope Benedict, a good friend of yours.

00:03:39.880 How has your relationship with Pope Benedict or Cardinal Ratzinger before that helped you in your faith?

00:03:48.240 Well, I have had many acquaintances with very good priests,

00:03:53.220 because I have always made a point out of meeting good fathers that I could relate to and talk to.

00:04:00.340 And Cardinal Ratzinger then came very often to Regensburg,

00:04:04.580 and I had the privilege to invite him to my house.

00:04:07.360 And, of course, I also read his books and his interviews.

00:04:12.380 So, that is, of course, very uplifting, what he was saying.

00:04:15.700 But he was not the only one, because he was in Rome and he was far away.

00:04:21.660 So, for me, it was always very important to also have priests that are very nearby,

00:04:27.220 that one can go to confession regularly.

00:04:30.060 I think that's very important on your way, if you want to deepen the faith

00:04:35.400 and also get the maximum strength, is to actually go to the sacraments.

00:04:41.100 Sacraments are the key to the well-being of the soul.

00:04:45.820 So, your whole approach is to live the faith as best you can,

00:04:51.280 to encourage that, to go forward, and to encourage other people to do the same

00:04:55.680 with the help of the sacraments and good priests.

00:04:58.140 I always think it is very good if the people see that we are a happy religion.

00:05:02.820 And I'm always trying to show that in the way I'm doing things,

00:05:08.780 in the way I give parties, in the way I bring friends together,

00:05:13.720 in the way...

00:05:14.420 Now, we just celebrated 100 years of soup kitchen.

00:05:18.340 The house, Tone on Taxis, has started a soup kitchen for 300 people every day.

00:05:24.200 We give a three-course meal since the end of World War I.

00:05:28.040 And just on this Saturday, we had a 100-year celebration.

00:05:31.780 And, of course, all the poor people who come to our kitchen regularly were invited.

00:05:36.520 And it was a fabulous party because you had on the one side the politicians

00:05:40.460 that are very high-bro, and you had the people from the society

00:05:45.200 all very elegantly dressed.

00:05:47.380 And then, of course, the poor people who are also in their best dresses.

00:05:50.960 And we all partied together in the cloisis of our palace,

00:05:55.640 of our former Benedictine abbey, and had a good time.

00:06:00.320 And that's Catholic.

00:06:01.400 Catholic is to have a good time, to smile, to laugh,

00:06:05.480 and to know that everything has a happy end.

00:06:09.900 And it's an amazing witness to reach out to the poor.

00:06:14.160 Often, people who are more traditional in the church are criticized for ignoring the poor.

00:06:21.040 And yet, here you are continuing your 100-year-long family tradition

00:06:25.240 of assisting the poor in a huge number.

00:06:28.020 Yes, and we also give food to the kindergarten, so it was very nice.

00:06:32.120 The little children came, and they had rehearsed.

00:06:34.540 They were all dressed like little chefs,

00:06:36.520 and they had rehearsed a poem and sang a song for us.

00:06:39.540 But I think the key to survive any bad times,

00:06:45.340 and, of course, on the economical side, we live in very good times,

00:06:50.140 but on the spiritual side, we are living in very bad times.

00:06:53.820 But I think before we had the war, then it was economically bad,

00:06:59.360 but spiritually the people were strong, and they were faithful,

00:07:03.040 and the churches were full.

00:07:04.860 Well, now we have the contrary.

00:07:06.420 So what we can do, first of all, we can show the beauty of the liturgy.

00:07:11.280 That's why I always like to encourage a beautiful liturgy,

00:07:16.100 because this is always uplifting for everybody.

00:07:19.400 And then, of course, a way of life, a happy way of life, and that's Catholic.

00:07:25.660 So on this controversy with the Holy Father,

00:07:28.800 what are your impressions of the Holy Father?

00:07:32.660 And what are your, you know, a lot of your friends,

00:07:36.380 as the New York Times kept saying about, you know,

00:07:38.560 you're the organizer or whatever of this anti-Francis movement.

00:07:42.100 But what are your thoughts there?

00:07:43.800 That's totally nonsense.

00:07:45.180 But, you know, the news always want to divide

00:07:48.360 because it makes the story more sexy in their eyes

00:07:52.100 if people are against each other.

00:07:54.320 I think that's absolutely not true.

00:07:58.020 I gather all sorts of people in my house.

00:08:01.060 They can be socialists.

00:08:03.080 They can be communists.

00:08:04.260 They can be Christian Democrats. 0.68

00:08:06.940 They can be traditional Christians and go to Latin mass,

00:08:11.560 but they can also be the happy clappy.

00:08:14.840 If the people are nice, they are all welcome in my friends' circles.

00:08:19.120 If we want to analyze the Pope,

00:08:23.440 you always have to see the Pope is a Jesuit.

00:08:26.280 And the Jesuits have their own way of evangelizing.

00:08:33.180 They have their way, and they think their way is successful.

00:08:37.820 And you can agree to this to a certain point.

00:08:40.900 You can also say, hmm, maybe a little bit too worldly.

00:08:44.300 Maybe, maybe a little bit too.

00:08:46.120 So, but I am not a historian,

00:08:48.580 but it's very interesting to see the strategical approach

00:08:54.360 for evangelization of the Jesuits through the last 200 years.

00:09:00.300 Maybe that's a great theme for our thesis.

00:09:04.500 So, in terms of dealing with the crisis that's in the church right now,

00:09:10.200 you've mentioned that there's a crisis,

00:09:11.980 and in terms of dealing with it,

00:09:14.040 I notice that you've got a statue of Our Lady on your desk.

00:09:18.540 Tell me what influence she's played

00:09:20.480 and what influence you think she might have in the crisis of the church.

00:09:24.180 Well, she certainly has a huge influence 0.96

00:09:26.420 because we can already see that in Fatima,

00:09:29.520 she has actually solved the problems.

00:09:33.080 The prayers have solved the problems.

00:09:35.400 We see that Russia today is much more Christian than any other Western country.

00:09:42.580 So, if we're looking spiritually, we have to look to the East.

00:09:47.280 And I always say to my American friends,

00:09:49.960 we have to come away from our idea that Russia is bad

00:09:57.000 because Russia today, ideologically, is more on our side

00:10:02.720 than the East Coast intelligentsia or the one world globalists.

00:10:11.120 There is a huge political direction that is actually anti-Catholic

00:10:19.660 and anti-Christianism.

00:10:21.980 And these people have a huge influence in the media world,

00:10:26.680 in Hollywood.

00:10:27.560 And if the Americans understand that Russia, ideologically,

00:10:34.060 is no longer their enemy,

00:10:36.200 but we are fighting a huge battle to safeguard Christianism,

00:10:41.540 then I think a lot of problems can be solved

00:10:44.420 because Russia and all the Eastern countries,

00:10:48.800 Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia,

00:10:54.760 Slovakia, Slovakia, Romania, Croatia.

00:11:01.780 These countries are all pro-Christianism. 0.80

00:11:06.280 They are our friends.

00:11:07.700 And I think if we're looking at a long-term battle for Christianity,

00:11:13.140 we have to acknowledge that these are our friends,

00:11:17.800 these countries are our friends,

00:11:19.160 and we are fighting a battle to safeguard Christianism.

00:11:22.620 You're very interesting in that you actually run in the circles

00:11:28.600 with a lot of these same people who hate Christianity.

00:11:33.040 How do you deal with such people?

00:11:35.880 You're friends, for instance, with Hillary Clinton,

00:11:39.240 other people in the world who have a lot of power,

00:11:42.480 who sit in the realms of power,

00:11:43.920 but have done many things which have,

00:11:46.560 while they might not think so,

00:11:48.140 have attacked the Christian faith,

00:11:49.840 the promotion of abortion and the gender ideology and so on,

00:11:53.740 in America has actually led to the restriction of Christian freedom.

00:12:01.080 You know, adoption agencies all over the United States

00:12:03.820 have been shut down.

00:12:05.500 Boston's ran for 100 years.

00:12:07.320 When they insisted on homosexual adoption,

00:12:09.660 allowing it,

00:12:10.780 the Catholic adoption agency said they couldn't do it,

00:12:13.920 and they had to shut down after 100 years.

00:12:15.320 So these are real limitations or restrictions,

00:12:20.620 persecution, you might say, of Christianity in America,

00:12:23.760 the land of the free.

00:12:25.180 But you are actually interacting with the same people

00:12:28.780 who are doing some of that.

00:12:31.860 How does that work?

00:12:33.380 Well, as I said before,

00:12:34.960 I think it's always very, very important

00:12:37.520 to keep a dialogue and to keep friendship.

00:12:40.160 Also, if people don't agree with you,

00:12:42.800 because I think if you shut the door

00:12:45.300 and you no longer converse,

00:12:47.120 you no longer dialogue,

00:12:48.340 then you will never be able to influence.

00:12:52.240 And I think that most of the people

00:12:54.460 who are for certain things

00:12:56.740 do not really understand the long-term implication.

00:13:00.980 They just have a very short-term view.

00:13:03.080 I think that the hugest or the biggest goal

00:13:12.080 that we have to achieve in society today

00:13:14.700 is that we are no longer attached

00:13:17.440 of these old ideas of Eastern and Western conflict.

00:13:22.540 Because let's remember that all the bad revolutions

00:13:25.880 that happened in the past

00:13:27.240 were always ideology-led.

00:13:29.940 They were either conquering new ground,

00:13:35.840 which hasn't happened anymore,

00:13:38.820 but also underled by huge ideology,

00:13:42.280 thinking of the Russian Revolution,

00:13:43.980 thinking of the French Revolution.

00:13:45.440 So what is the ideology today?

00:13:47.640 Today the ideology is anti-Christian ideology.

00:13:51.900 Now, if we, Canada, USA,

00:13:54.600 we in Europe,

00:13:57.060 if we get together

00:13:58.200 and the Eastern countries

00:14:00.780 and we understand that

00:14:02.000 this is no longer a battle

00:14:03.740 that can be conquered

00:14:04.840 with huge battleships

00:14:07.560 and tanks and airplanes,

00:14:10.100 but this is a war

00:14:11.540 that is an asymmetrical war

00:14:13.940 with terrorism,

00:14:15.440 then we realize

00:14:16.860 we can spend more money

00:14:18.440 in communication

00:14:20.180 and bringing our people together,

00:14:22.600 the people who love God,

00:14:24.160 the people who believe in the Trinity,

00:14:27.000 the people who believe in Our Lady.

00:14:30.560 And that's how we can fight

00:14:32.540 abortion,

00:14:33.900 euthanasia,

00:14:34.980 and all these terrible threats

00:14:37.500 that are coming,

00:14:38.860 rolling towards us

00:14:39.940 in a huge velocity.

00:14:42.140 That's why I think

00:14:44.040 our duty is to convince

00:14:46.620 our friends

00:14:47.900 on the other side

00:14:49.240 of the Atlantic,

00:14:50.800 Russia and the Eastern country

00:14:52.640 are our friends

00:14:53.600 and we need them

00:14:54.600 in the help

00:14:55.400 to fight the battle

00:14:56.880 of asymmetric terrorism

00:14:59.400 and the asymmetric media war

00:15:03.620 that is bringing pornography

00:15:06.120 into the children's home,

00:15:08.000 into the children

00:15:08.780 and who want to destroy

00:15:10.620 our society 0.93

00:15:11.620 by killing the oldest 1.00

00:15:12.940 because they no longer 1.00

00:15:14.100 serve a purpose

00:15:15.060 and also killing the unborn. 0.87

00:15:17.680 So that's,

00:15:18.680 if we recognize

00:15:19.580 that we have to fight together

00:15:21.160 with the East,

00:15:22.240 that's when we can

00:15:23.460 really win the battle.

00:15:25.380 Now,

00:15:26.060 you're a very interesting character

00:15:27.580 also in that

00:15:28.620 since you're in those,

00:15:30.920 you're meeting

00:15:32.120 with those very same people,

00:15:34.240 you're able to give a witness

00:15:35.960 of a true Christian. 0.71

00:15:38.100 I love the fact

00:15:39.160 that you go to daily Mass

00:15:40.480 in fact,

00:15:41.200 we're sitting right now

00:15:42.520 in what is your chapel

00:15:43.920 and daily Mass

00:15:46.980 is a big part of your life

00:15:48.000 and I think

00:15:48.480 it sort of shows through.

00:15:51.640 The faith has to be lived out 1.00

00:15:53.240 and when it's lived out

00:15:53.980 it comes through

00:15:54.700 and affects other people

00:15:55.960 around us.

00:15:57.500 Have you ever seen

00:15:59.120 people look at you

00:16:00.960 because of your faith

00:16:01.920 and be affected by it?

00:16:04.420 Well,

00:16:04.800 of course,

00:16:05.360 people criticize you

00:16:06.620 when you come out

00:16:09.160 and you admit

00:16:09.880 that you have

00:16:10.380 a Catholic faith

00:16:11.340 and you're a happy Catholic

00:16:12.580 then they will say

00:16:13.340 yes,

00:16:13.900 but she is stingy 1.00

00:16:15.200 and she's not nice 1.00

00:16:16.820 to her kids

00:16:17.540 and she's light

00:16:18.660 and they're trying

00:16:19.660 to bring you down

00:16:20.640 by saying the things

00:16:21.880 about you

00:16:22.780 because everybody

00:16:24.380 has this wrong idea

00:16:26.140 that just because

00:16:27.500 you are a good

00:16:28.240 practicing Catholic

00:16:29.560 you must be a saint.

00:16:31.480 No,

00:16:32.400 none of us

00:16:33.100 is a saint.

00:16:33.820 A saint is a rare,

00:16:35.260 rare,

00:16:35.620 rare,

00:16:35.940 rare,

00:16:36.240 like the triple,

00:16:38.500 triple,

00:16:39.020 quadruple diamond

00:16:40.300 that you find

00:16:41.340 very seldomly.

00:16:43.520 A saint is something

00:16:45.120 we look up to.

00:16:46.280 Of course,

00:16:46.760 we admire

00:16:47.820 and we want

00:16:48.700 to be like that

00:16:49.420 but none of us

00:16:50.620 is a saint

00:16:51.080 because we are

00:16:51.840 all sinners

00:16:53.080 and that's why

00:16:53.920 there is this wonderful

00:16:54.980 saying that

00:16:55.500 the church

00:16:55.980 hates the sin

00:16:57.800 but loves the sinner

00:16:59.760 and that's why

00:17:00.980 it's not true

00:17:01.940 that we always

00:17:03.400 talk down

00:17:05.700 on people

00:17:06.300 who don't live

00:17:07.200 the way we should live

00:17:08.580 because we all

00:17:09.720 don't live

00:17:10.340 the way we should live.

00:17:11.360 We all are sinners

00:17:12.500 but that's the great thing

00:17:13.980 about Catholicism

00:17:15.080 that you actually

00:17:16.220 deal with your sins.

00:17:17.720 When you go to confession

00:17:18.720 you deal

00:17:19.640 and you say

00:17:20.820 I was nasty,

00:17:22.660 I was not patient,

00:17:24.380 I did this

00:17:25.080 and that wrong

00:17:25.740 and if you deal

00:17:26.980 with your shortcomings

00:17:28.160 that's how

00:17:29.300 you can get better.

00:17:31.460 Now,

00:17:32.320 you've in your past

00:17:33.960 lived life

00:17:35.080 on the other side

00:17:36.020 and now

00:17:37.060 as a Catholic

00:17:38.200 what would you say

00:17:40.200 about that

00:17:40.620 because you lived

00:17:41.240 the storybook life

00:17:42.040 that everybody thinks

00:17:42.920 would be the greatest

00:17:43.660 thing in the world

00:17:44.340 when you were

00:17:45.360 into a lifestyle

00:17:47.100 that's very different

00:17:47.820 from what you are now.

00:17:49.800 A lot of young people

00:17:51.260 would look to you

00:17:52.740 and say

00:17:53.840 wow,

00:17:54.460 I wish

00:17:54.800 because they all

00:17:55.440 want to be a princess

00:17:56.020 but you lived

00:17:57.920 that life before.

00:17:58.700 How would you describe

00:17:59.860 your movement

00:18:01.960 of faith

00:18:02.640 from being someone

00:18:03.460 who was Catholic

00:18:04.140 in name

00:18:04.500 to Catholic

00:18:04.980 practicing

00:18:05.540 and what would

00:18:07.100 your advice be

00:18:07.680 for young people?

00:18:08.720 First of all,

00:18:09.400 I was,

00:18:09.840 thank God,

00:18:10.340 always practicing

00:18:11.700 Catholic

00:18:12.140 because I was raised,

00:18:13.320 my parents prayed

00:18:14.460 with me

00:18:15.000 on the bedside,

00:18:16.060 we prayed

00:18:16.520 before the meals,

00:18:18.040 we went to church

00:18:18.860 on Sunday

00:18:19.320 and then of course

00:18:20.140 in my teens

00:18:20.900 I was bored

00:18:21.780 going to church

00:18:22.760 first of all

00:18:23.700 because the church

00:18:24.480 service became

00:18:25.320 really terrible

00:18:26.200 with the,

00:18:27.340 they were trying

00:18:27.960 to copy the hit parade

00:18:29.380 but they were not able,

00:18:31.080 the show people

00:18:31.820 are always better

00:18:32.720 than if they stand

00:18:34.460 there with a guitar

00:18:35.260 trying to be

00:18:36.000 as good

00:18:37.080 as the Rolling Stones,

00:18:38.500 it's not happening.

00:18:39.780 So of course

00:18:40.300 the church life

00:18:41.220 got very unattractive

00:18:42.520 but of course

00:18:43.480 my parents

00:18:44.220 wanted us

00:18:44.980 to attend

00:18:46.120 and we attended

00:18:46.880 and then of course

00:18:47.680 I had a period

00:18:48.640 where I wasn't

00:18:50.120 so much into

00:18:50.920 but when the problems,

00:18:54.120 when the rainy days

00:18:55.280 come,

00:18:56.100 you have a chance

00:18:57.740 to realize

00:18:58.380 and to recompose

00:18:59.580 and I got so much

00:19:00.880 help from above

00:19:01.920 when through

00:19:03.480 my rainy days

00:19:04.580 and I had

00:19:05.220 very bad rainy days

00:19:06.760 so to be grateful

00:19:09.000 I decided

00:19:10.980 to be a more

00:19:12.160 grateful Christian

00:19:14.180 because I am grateful

00:19:15.680 for what I got

00:19:16.680 and I am grateful

00:19:17.700 what did not happen

00:19:19.460 in my life

00:19:20.340 and that's why

00:19:21.500 I became

00:19:22.080 after my husband

00:19:23.500 passed away

00:19:24.260 and I had to deal

00:19:25.840 with so many problems

00:19:27.200 by myself

00:19:28.060 and I was alone

00:19:29.420 with my three children

00:19:30.520 bringing them up

00:19:31.440 I needed the help

00:19:33.480 and when you

00:19:34.140 ask for help

00:19:35.460 you're getting the help

00:19:36.840 that's why

00:19:37.800 I encourage everybody

00:19:39.020 if the sacraments

00:19:40.280 are really the best

00:19:41.920 strength giver

00:19:44.340 for life

00:19:45.120 and they help

00:19:46.120 and it really

00:19:47.160 makes a difference

00:19:47.960 it makes you

00:19:48.680 a happier person

00:19:49.580 it makes you

00:19:50.340 being able to deal

00:19:51.820 with the challenges

00:19:52.900 of life

00:19:53.580 and it helps

00:19:55.460 you in every

00:19:56.720 aspect of life

00:19:58.160 that's why

00:19:58.900 I encourage this

00:20:01.060 beautiful

00:20:02.240 any closing thoughts

00:20:04.280 that you want to give

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00:20:13.660 which is not

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00:20:18.840 they are the only ones

00:20:20.840 who really put

00:20:21.780 the finger

00:20:22.500 into the wound

00:20:23.900 and sometimes

00:20:24.700 they even stir

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00:20:26.440 but

00:20:28.260 always in a very

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00:20:30.500 and I think

00:20:31.180 we live in times

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00:20:33.600 know everything

00:20:35.100 it used to be

00:20:36.520 that we didn't

00:20:37.480 know things

00:20:38.060 and that's why

00:20:38.740 we had more

00:20:39.520 space for dreaming

00:20:41.020 unfortunately

00:20:42.020 today

00:20:42.780 we are

00:20:44.740 we live in a life

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00:20:47.380 and I think

00:20:48.240 if we get

00:20:49.180 so many news

00:20:50.240 we also should get

00:20:51.620 real catholic news

00:20:53.500 and that's what

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00:20:55.940 praise God

00:20:56.960 Princess Gloria

00:20:58.060 thank you

00:20:58.560 and God bless you

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00:21:01.400 this is John Henry Weston

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The John-Henry Westen Show - June 18, 2019

Catholic princess exposes ‘anti-Christian’ globalists, promotes Our Lady of Fatima

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