The John-Henry Westen Show - May 28, 2021


Catholic pro-life priest once silenced by bishops calls out 'unnecessary' COVID lockdowns

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In this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, Father Louis De Rocco joins us to talk about his life in the pro-life movement, and his journey to becoming a Catholic priest. He also talks about the dangers of lockdowns, and how he handled them.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show where I'm very pleased to introduce you to an old friend.
00:00:06.480 This is someone who, when I started off in the pro-life movement way back in the 90s, there was a fellow there working in the office of Campaign Life Coalition, the premier pro-life group in Canada.
00:00:19.320 And he was always working very studiously, very diligently, and he always had a crucifix on his desk.
00:00:26.660 And I noticed that a very devout man, and quite a few years later, I wasn't surprised to learn that he became a Catholic priest.
00:00:35.860 He's got some incredible things to tell us, also about lockdowns.
00:00:40.060 So you're going to want to stay tuned.
00:00:56.660 Let's begin, as we always do, at the sign of the cross. Father, if you wouldn't mind leading us.
00:01:04.160 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
00:01:10.040 Amen.
00:01:11.580 Father Louis de Rocco, it is so good to have you on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.
00:01:16.260 I'm glad to be with you.
00:01:17.420 I remember when I first met you in the office, as you said, you know, right?
00:01:23.060 And, well, you've come a long way since then.
00:01:26.380 I congratulate you for all your good work.
00:01:28.980 Thank you, Father.
00:01:29.720 Why don't we start off letting everybody know a little bit about yourself and your quite incredible journey from the heart of the pro-life movement to the priesthood.
00:01:41.680 Well, I was a teacher most of my life, from the age of about 22 until I was, you know, in my almost, well, 1992 is when I stopped teaching.
00:01:55.240 I liked teaching very much, but I had become involved as a volunteer in the pro-life movement, more around the middle of 85, I would say.
00:02:05.500 And then I started to get more and more involved, and I realized that at some point that I would have to make a decision, either teaching or, you know, full-time or not get being so involved, because my teaching was starting to suffer, you know.
00:02:21.740 So I decided that I would go full-time with the pro-life work, because I considered that to be more important.
00:02:30.500 So I gave up teaching, and at first I went half-time, and then eventually I went full-time with Camping Life Coalition.
00:02:40.840 And I basically was an organizer for them, you know.
00:02:44.220 I did many things.
00:02:45.300 I lobbied politicians.
00:02:46.840 I organized life chains.
00:02:49.380 I wanted to talk to politicians at Queen's Park, you know, in Ottawa.
00:02:55.560 Many different things, you know.
00:02:56.880 So, anyway, taking part in also Operation Rescue, I was arrested five times, but was never charged, though.
00:03:07.700 I don't know how that happened, but thank God.
00:03:11.820 Well, you know, my main interests are things like writing music.
00:03:18.220 I write a lot of liturgical music, mostly masses, you know, in Latin.
00:03:21.780 And I used to play the guitar, and I took singing lessons, and I like to cook as well.
00:03:28.860 I'm Italian.
00:03:29.420 I'm not Italian for nothing, you know.
00:03:31.500 All right?
00:03:32.380 Does that give you enough information about me?
00:03:35.080 That's great, Father.
00:03:36.620 One of the things that I found very interesting, you're just sort of newly retired, and we were talking the other day, and you had mentioned, you know, about the lockdowns and a regret that you had.
00:03:50.220 If you could tell us about that, to start off.
00:03:52.680 As a priest, the main thing that we need to do as priests and, you know, people in the hierarchy and every single priest is that we have to uphold the truth, justice, and the right to life.
00:04:05.520 What Jesus said, you know, be not afraid.
00:04:08.480 Be not afraid.
00:04:09.300 And these lockdowns came as a great shock to everybody, and in my opinion, they were totally unnecessary.
00:04:20.480 They were draconian and based on untruths and fallacies.
00:04:24.680 And I think they were deliberately created to create fear and panic, and that was obvious.
00:04:28.860 I tried to allay the fear, you know, and the panic, and I thought I was being reasonable, you know.
00:04:35.520 I told them, for example, you know, this is something serious, but it's not the bubonic plague, you know.
00:04:40.940 But you could see that the fear was palpable.
00:04:44.140 For example, some people would come up for communion.
00:04:47.240 Not that many, but they would deliberately stay as far away from me as possible and extend their arm as far as possible to receive Holy Communion.
00:04:57.680 I found that shocking, but I didn't, you know, say anything to them.
00:05:02.600 But I did not overly, zealously insist on things like sanitizing the pews, you know.
00:05:09.700 I just said, here's a wipe, you know, just sanitize the place where you were, you know, right?
00:05:14.060 And we saved a lot of money that way.
00:05:16.400 And I never wore a mask.
00:05:18.640 I told them right from the very beginning, I said, you know, you have to decide for yourself.
00:05:23.580 I'm not going to force anybody to wear a mask.
00:05:26.080 I'm not going to force anybody not to wear a mask.
00:05:28.800 As you can see, I'm not wearing a mask.
00:05:30.740 Why is that?
00:05:32.020 Well, because I'm a priest and I'm celebrating mass.
00:05:34.680 And I find it repugnant and grotesque for a priest to wear a mask while celebrating mass.
00:05:40.400 And so I've never done that.
00:05:43.080 And I still refuse to do it.
00:05:45.540 I've done funerals in other dioceses.
00:05:49.760 And I told the priest in advance, you know, I won't wear a mask.
00:05:52.560 So if you want me to just sit in the corner or whatever you want me to do, that's fine.
00:05:56.200 But, you know, he allowed me to give the homily and participate in the mass.
00:06:01.680 The main regret that I have is that, you know, I cooperated in the, in participating in the lockdown,
00:06:09.540 the actual locking of the doors, you know, of the church.
00:06:12.540 And I was very angry and frustrated about that.
00:06:17.140 But some people advised me that it would be the better thing just to, to cooperate, you know,
00:06:21.860 at least at the beginning, you know, the first lockdown.
00:06:23.980 But I think, frankly, now, if I told the people in my last homily, on my last Sunday homily,
00:06:31.120 I told my parishioners, if I had to do it over again, I would defy the edict.
00:06:35.300 I wouldn't do it because it's our responsibility to provide mass for the people and to provide
00:06:41.540 the other sacraments as well.
00:06:43.260 And the, the, the government has no authority over what the church does, you know, in celebrating
00:06:49.400 the worship of God over the sacraments.
00:06:51.960 They have absolutely no authority.
00:06:53.620 We should have told them where to go.
00:06:55.480 So, well, politely, I would say, but, you know, that's, that's my, my main regret.
00:07:02.800 And, uh, I made that very clear.
00:07:04.960 And I said, from, from the pulpit and we, another thing we, you know, I wish I'd emphasized,
00:07:11.980 uh, some other things, maybe perhaps a little bit more.
00:07:14.880 This is not just a health issue.
00:07:16.900 You know, it affects our basic freedoms in our very lives, the right to be responsible
00:07:21.860 for our health, uh, the right to worship God or to receive the sacraments, the right to
00:07:27.720 make a living, you know, to socialize, to see our relatives, uh, to be with friends, uh, you
00:07:35.920 know, to, to treat our children properly.
00:07:37.560 I think what's happening now is criminal was what they're doing to children.
00:07:40.720 You know, I mean, yesterday I, I, I saw a little video where the police were guarding
00:07:46.360 this place in Toronto, where they were offering ice cream to kids to, to be vaccinated.
00:07:51.840 Well, I hate the word vaccinated because they're not vaccines, right?
00:07:55.720 We'll, we'll call them injections or jabs, right?
00:07:58.360 I hate the word vaccine because they aren't vaccine.
00:08:01.360 And there were some people there, you know, trying to get in and the police wouldn't let
00:08:05.080 them in.
00:08:05.440 You know, they were using kind of profane language at the police, but they were making their
00:08:09.640 point, you know, right.
00:08:10.540 But can you imagine offering ice cream to entice children to be, to, to be jabbed by this?
00:08:16.360 I mean, first of all, it's almost impossible for them to, to get the virus in the first place,
00:08:21.500 right?
00:08:21.680 Or to die from it.
00:08:22.800 So, you know, you have to ask yourself, why are they doing this?
00:08:26.880 You know, what's, what's the motivation, right?
00:08:28.760 Because it can't be medical.
00:08:30.000 Another thing, which is obvious is the effects on society, you know, which was pointed out
00:08:34.220 very early by certain doctors and others that this is leading to health problems, all kinds
00:08:41.460 of problems like loneliness, depression, abuse, marital problems, increased alcoholism, increased
00:08:49.300 suicides, loss of law, even among children, the loss of livelihoods, how many businesses
00:08:56.300 have been closed, especially restaurants, you know, canceled surgeries, how many people
00:09:01.620 have died because they didn't get their surgery or because they were afraid to go to the hospital
00:09:06.600 or see a doctor.
00:09:07.600 You know, I even saw a video of, uh, of some music students.
00:09:11.260 I don't know where it was, but they were all in a little tent with a little plastic window
00:09:17.120 in the front of the tent, like it, it couldn't have been more than about, you know, two or
00:09:21.960 three feet wide, you know, and about four feet high.
00:09:25.920 And these kids were playing their musical instruments inside this tent. 0.70
00:09:29.680 I mean, who would do that to children in a school, you know, that that's, that's ludicrous.
00:09:34.360 Plus there's also the question of the, um, the fact that these, uh, these vaccines are,
00:09:39.980 are made from the cell lines of, uh, aborted children, right?
00:09:44.120 Uh, even include sometimes DNA itself.
00:09:47.120 Now people claim that this is remote, remote, uh, cooperation, but, but, uh, even if it was
00:09:54.440 only one child that was murdered in this way, you know, it would still be wrong.
00:09:58.040 I think because plus it's not because they have to continually replenish this, right?
00:10:04.960 And so many hundreds, at least of babies have been aborted just for this particular purpose.
00:10:10.920 And so, you know, if we use the, these particular injections, you know, then we're cooperating
00:10:17.320 in that.
00:10:17.760 And even if you take the stance that this is, um, you know, very remote cooperation and it's
00:10:25.000 necessary in extreme circumstances, it's, it's, that doesn't apply because there's no reason
00:10:30.720 for these, right?
00:10:31.560 Right.
00:10:31.680 19, 99.7% of the people, you know, are perfectly fine.
00:10:36.720 It's the very elderly and those who have comorbidities are the ones who are dying, right?
00:10:40.720 And there's a way to protect them.
00:10:42.400 And you're not, you can't possibly protect every single person, you know, physical life
00:10:47.940 is not the ultimate value of our lives, right?
00:10:50.820 And we do what we can, obviously, and we shouldn't, we shouldn't neglect anyone.
00:10:56.020 But on the other hand, you lock down the whole world, you, you close all the churches, you
00:11:01.300 know, you close all the schools, you put people out of business for what you have to ask yourself,
00:11:06.740 what's the motivation behind this, right?
00:11:09.400 And I, I can't believe that this is being done with, without, without, you know, forethoughts,
00:11:16.300 you know, really, it just boggles the mind, you know.
00:11:18.840 Plus there are, there are perfectly good means of treating the virus, you know, such as hydro
00:11:23.800 hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and other methods as well, which are very inexpensive and
00:11:30.060 work very well.
00:11:30.940 They're using them, they've been used for decades, and they're very safe in countries
00:11:35.360 that in many countries, you can get them over the counter, right?
00:11:38.160 Why are they suppressing these methods?
00:11:40.580 Well, one, one reason could be that in order to, to get this whole thing approved in the
00:11:46.320 first place as an experimental drug, there have to be no other methods available.
00:11:51.180 You see, if there are no other methods of it, if there were, then they wouldn't be able
00:11:55.800 to, to promote this as an experimental drug.
00:11:58.460 You see, they've never been approved, uh, for full, for full use.
00:12:03.260 There's, in other words, they're using people like guinea pigs, that's what they're doing, 0.97
00:12:06.960 you know, to put it bluntly, right?
00:12:10.120 So, you know, all, all these things are criminal and they're, and there are actual lawyers,
00:12:14.060 you know, who are bringing lawsuits for crimes against humanity, for the people who are responsible
00:12:20.240 for this.
00:12:21.940 So those, those are some of the things that, that really, you know, others me a lot, you know,
00:12:28.460 I pointed some of these things out about a couple of months before I, I knew I was going
00:12:33.340 to retire.
00:12:34.040 I didn't know exactly when the bishop would accept my resignation, you know, so I said
00:12:38.040 to myself, well, I better give him a full picture here, you know, I had hinted at certain
00:12:42.500 things, you know, but then one day I said, I'm going to tell him the whole truth here,
00:12:47.500 you know, you know what this is leading up to?
00:12:49.400 I said, you know, this, it's got nothing to do with the mask and it's leading up to
00:12:53.560 mandatory vaccination.
00:12:55.200 You know, that's what it's leading to.
00:12:57.300 And you won't be able to do many things that you want to do, like go to the, to the concert
00:13:02.700 or get on a plane, you know, or go to a restaurant, you know, the last example I said was, that
00:13:09.100 I gave was, oh, the police come to my church and they say, Father Duraco, I understand you're
00:13:14.420 letting people in the church, you know, well, we're going to, we're going to have to
00:13:17.560 fine you a hundred thousand dollars and don't do it again or you'll go to jail.
00:13:21.120 That was the last example that I gave.
00:13:24.200 Now, some people stopped coming to my parish because I gave that homily and, you know,
00:13:30.100 letter, they wrote letters to the bishop as well.
00:13:32.140 And I was called in, right?
00:13:33.220 What would you say to priests who are still active, but would face a kind of censure if
00:13:40.900 they went down that road?
00:13:44.180 You know, what would your advice be to them?
00:13:46.060 People have to understand, like, let's say you're a 40-year-old priest and you've done
00:13:50.260 nothing besides being a priest all your life, you know, how much money would you have saved
00:13:54.740 up, you know, how are you going to live, right?
00:13:57.100 If you get bounced, you know, right?
00:13:59.500 It's a, it's a practical consideration.
00:14:02.560 On the other hand, you know, we were ordained to, to tell the truth and to, to give the people
00:14:09.480 the real food, you know?
00:14:10.880 So, I would say that, you know, we live in these times because we're, we exist because
00:14:17.360 of God's will.
00:14:18.860 So, that means we're meant to be living at this time right now, you know?
00:14:22.840 God could have put us in another century, but he didn't.
00:14:26.880 He put us, he put us here right now.
00:14:28.620 And so, we have to do what is right, even though it may be costly.
00:14:34.480 For example, you know, the mask mandate.
00:14:36.960 If everybody tomorrow stopped wearing the mask, what would happen?
00:14:41.540 My guess would be that they couldn't enforce it anymore, right?
00:14:44.960 If everybody did it together, you know, right?
00:14:47.060 What if, what if all the bishops of Canada said, next Sunday, we're all going to celebrate
00:14:52.460 mass, and all our priests are going to celebrate mass at 11 a.m.?
00:14:55.660 What would happen?
00:14:56.600 And very similar, I think, to the situation of abortion that you fought all your life.
00:15:03.200 Because I think if, if all the bishops also said, you know, obviously, you have to vote
00:15:10.300 as a Catholic for the pro-life politician.
00:15:12.080 And any pro-abortion Catholic, don't you dare present yourself for Holy Communion because 0.51
00:15:16.680 you'll be refused.
00:15:17.900 I think you'd also have, you would have had a very similar effect in that it would have
00:15:23.380 totally changed the landscape.
00:15:26.360 And yet, you know, we've, we've gone for so long without, without getting there.
00:15:30.740 I have preached about politicians, and I was ordered to, to, to preach about certain things
00:15:36.440 at one point.
00:15:37.140 So what, what happened there?
00:15:39.160 Well, you know, some people complained.
00:15:40.820 They didn't like my homilies whenever, well, when did they complain?
00:15:44.140 They, they only complained when I preached about things like abortion, euthanasia, contraception
00:15:49.480 and abortion, right?
00:15:50.700 That's when they complained, right?
00:15:53.620 And, you know, I was called in by, by various bishops.
00:15:56.980 And you were ordered into silence, though?
00:15:59.460 Yes, about those particular subjects.
00:16:01.820 It removed at a certain point, you know, but that happened, yes.
00:16:06.700 We're right now dealing with, with Father Altman, who is just being, has just been asked to
00:16:12.100 resign from his parish.
00:16:14.560 And that's from a bishop who, for a long time, let him go.
00:16:18.140 But I guess the pressure from other bishops has finally got to Bishop Callahan.
00:16:22.580 And he's just asked him to resign.
00:16:26.060 So this has gone on all over the place, where good priests trying to do only what they're
00:16:31.480 called to do by Christ, to feed the flock, who are really starving for the truths, especially
00:16:36.220 these hard truths, get censured by their bishops.
00:16:39.680 And it's, it's really, you know, I didn't know about it at the time when, when, when you
00:16:47.440 were silenced, but, you know, really does, the faithful need to stand up for their priests,
00:16:52.660 the priests who are actually feeding them, who are actually giving the truth, the faithful
00:16:56.900 need to stand and take action.
00:16:58.580 There are always some people who don't accept the Church's teachings, right?
00:17:02.180 Let's face it.
00:17:03.100 And the lack of catechesis were so long that, you know, a lot of people simply don't know
00:17:08.320 the faith, you know, that's, that's a reality.
00:17:11.140 And if you go into the schools, you know, going to a high school and ask them what the
00:17:15.240 Ten Commandments are, I don't think you'll find a student that can tell you all ten.
00:17:19.560 They might be able to see the Hail Mary and our Father, but they don't know their faith
00:17:24.840 very well.
00:17:25.420 And the same with the people in the pews, a lot of them don't know their faith very
00:17:28.700 well.
00:17:28.980 There are parishes where their people are very supportive, you know, and there, there were,
00:17:33.860 there were many, I think most people were on my side, actually, but, you know,
00:17:38.320 most people tend to be silent though.
00:17:40.680 That's the problem, you know?
00:17:42.280 So I always used to tell them, what a better pastor, you know, pray for the one you have.
00:17:46.900 You know, pray for the one you have.
00:17:48.760 I wanted to ask you, Father, about an interesting perspective you might have based on your past.
00:17:54.780 So you're trilingual, you are Italian by birth, I guess, and of course you live in Canada,
00:18:00.340 so English, but you're also totally fluent in French.
00:18:02.980 And I know you write and read and speak in all three languages.
00:18:07.040 And this was very useful for the pro-life movement.
00:18:09.680 You were sent as the first of the Canadian representatives from pro-life to the UN when
00:18:17.400 John Paul II made the call for pro-life groups to get engaged with the UN to defend life,
00:18:23.580 to defend the family.
00:18:24.340 You were one of the first two people sent in that whole thing.
00:18:30.060 That must have given you a very interesting perspective on what was happening on the international
00:18:34.880 scene, what was happening at the UN, and the kind of anti-life, anti-family agendas that
00:18:40.080 they were pushing back then.
00:18:42.620 When you see what's happened now in the world with regard to the push for those anti-life,
00:18:48.580 anti-family policies, but also the new push for basically seeming like making a one-world
00:18:55.800 government through the UN or involved in that kind of a thing.
00:18:59.940 What comes to you or what, you know, from your experiences, what do you see in all of what
00:19:06.600 we're going through right now, internationally speaking?
00:19:08.800 This has obviously been planned for a long time.
00:19:11.900 And it's a constant thing, you know.
00:19:14.200 I even said once from the pulpit that the UN is an evil organization, which is the truth.
00:19:21.240 You know, I saw it for my, with my own eyes, you know, when I was at the, the Cairo conference
00:19:26.160 on population, it should have been called the depopulation conference, really.
00:19:30.560 The Copenhagen summit on, what was it called, on social development or something.
00:19:37.020 The Beijing conference on women, that was really bad.
00:19:40.820 The Istanbul conference on housing, there was a food summit in Rome, where even there,
00:19:46.300 there were some, some objectionable things, you know, regarding abortion in there.
00:19:50.740 They snuck some stuff in there.
00:19:52.280 Would you believe this?
00:19:53.040 The, the international criminal court conference in Rome in 98.
00:19:58.140 I went to all of those, those conferences as a representative of, of a pro-life organization, you know.
00:20:07.620 Starting in 1994, you know, I, I read about what was going to happen at the, the Cairo conference.
00:20:13.220 And I said to, to Jim, you know, I said, somebody should go there, you know.
00:20:18.420 And that was the, the wrong thing to say.
00:20:20.780 And he said, well, why don't you go?
00:20:24.380 So, you know, Gilles Grondin and myself were, were on a plane, you know, a few months later.
00:20:30.980 Right.
00:20:31.420 So we went to Cairo and that was, that was an interesting experience.
00:20:36.080 Now in Cairo, there were a lot of pro-lifers there.
00:20:39.560 Maybe about, I would say, guess 250, 300.
00:20:43.100 And we had a, we had a tremendous effect, you know, but we, we caught them by surprise there because they weren't expecting us.
00:20:50.520 But in, in further conferences, though, they, they ramped up the, you know, the, the dirty tricks, you could, you could call them, right?
00:20:58.840 They used to have all kinds of dirty tricks, you know.
00:21:01.400 The most interesting conversation or discussion that was ever, I ever heard at the UN was at the Beijing PrepCom.
00:21:10.620 The last preparatory meeting, you know, that is always held at the United Nations itself in New York.
00:21:17.060 And they were talking about a delegate from one of the little Latin American countries had, had asked that the word gender be square bracketed in the whole document.
00:21:31.160 And there were hundreds of references to the word gender, you know, as such as gender equity, you know, et cetera.
00:21:37.940 And there was a woman that called there Dale O'Leary, who wrote a book later called The Gender Agenda, which is very good.
00:21:44.420 And she had already studied this, this question of gender, you know, and she was warning and she wanted, you know, the, the, the, the Holy See to take this more seriously, right?
00:21:55.500 There was a long discussion and every country put in their two cents, you know, most of the countries wanted to square brackets, the, the word gender in the whole document, which is unheard of, you know.
00:22:07.520 But finally, the chairwoman ruled, we will not square bracket the word gender because it will not move us forward.
00:22:16.040 Oh, wow.
00:22:16.360 It was crooked, in other words, right?
00:22:19.340 It was crooked.
00:22:20.560 There are lots of examples of that kind of thing that went on at these conferences.
00:22:24.520 For example, they would have a special committee set up.
00:22:27.840 And then, you know, if you wanted to participate, you could go, right?
00:22:31.140 But they would have it in a small room somewhere.
00:22:33.600 And then, for example, the criminal, international criminal court conference, they were, they wanted to try to legalize abortion everywhere in the world.
00:22:42.060 With the word, with the expression, forced pregnancy.
00:22:46.580 What that meant was that if, if you had laws in your country against abortion and you didn't allow abortion, then you were forcing a woman to be pregnant and therefore you had to change your law.
00:22:55.960 That's, that's, that's the gist of it, right?
00:22:58.560 And so they had a, a special committee formed and there were many, we, we lobbied, you know, the, the various delegates of the good countries to go, to go to that meeting.
00:23:07.220 So they canceled the meeting because they said, oh, the room's too small.
00:23:10.020 So they canceled it.
00:23:11.900 And then they had it later another day in a small little room somewhere, which, where nobody knew where it was.
00:23:18.020 And we, we were running around telling the delegates where the, where the meeting was, you know, right?
00:23:22.980 We had to find it ourselves first.
00:23:25.280 You know, there were all kinds of little dirty tricks like that.
00:23:28.180 Getting back to what you asked, you know, you could, you could see that they plant, they plant things there, you know, for traditionally what they would do is they would set a precedent.
00:23:38.960 They would get a word into a document and then they would build on it in another, in another document.
00:23:45.580 For example, at the Beijing conference in, in Beijing, Canada, which was always bad at these conferences, by the way, they were always pushing the worst things, right?
00:23:55.640 Canada was one of the worst countries, always.
00:23:58.300 It was a Canadian delegate who, for the first time suggested, not suggested, you know, proposed the word sexual orientation in the UN document. 0.59
00:24:08.700 That was the first time that was ever proposed.
00:24:11.100 It was, it was defeated.
00:24:13.140 But you see, they were setting the precedent for the next time, you see, that's what they do.
00:24:18.140 And they just build on what came before, right?
00:24:20.980 And so, you know, we would, we would lobby, for example, the, since we spoke, both of us spoke French, we, we, we, we went to a lot of French delegates, you know, from Africa.
00:24:32.660 And they, they agreed with everything we said, you know, but they would, they would be silent at the microphone.
00:24:37.820 So I said, how come these people never say anything, you know, so, well, you know, if, uh, think about it from their point of view, then, you know, they go back to their country and they say, yeah, yeah, we, uh, we spoke against this.
00:24:50.980 And they, they say, well, thank you very much for getting our foreign aid cut off from us, you know, right?
00:24:56.940 That's probably what was, what was behind it, right?
00:24:59.560 Right.
00:24:59.980 I would imagine.
00:25:01.980 But, um, well, you know, that's, that's what they've been doing for years, right?
00:25:06.380 But there were, there were, there were documents at these conferences from various organizations that were promoting one world government, you know, I mean, there was, this was out in the open, right?
00:25:16.160 Yeah.
00:25:16.940 They haven't, haven't exactly hidden this agenda, you know, they're out in the open too.
00:25:21.100 They're saying exactly what they want to do, right?
00:25:23.440 It's, it's not a secret, you know, people don't wake up soon, you know, it's going to be too late.
00:25:28.160 And, and there are all kinds of doctors warning about these injunctions and jabs, you know, that they're very dangerous.
00:25:33.640 First of all, a lot of people are getting the infection after they get the injection, right?
00:25:38.680 Which is supposed to stop it, but it doesn't, right?
00:25:41.580 Plus a lot of people are dying within, within sometimes days, one or two days or a week or two weeks, you know, like in the United States, I think it's up to 4,000 at least.
00:25:52.800 Those are just the ones that are reported.
00:25:55.260 There are probably, you know, many, many, many more that aren't reported.
00:26:00.200 And in, in Europe, it's at least 10,000, that was a few weeks ago, you know, and it's probably a lot more than that there too, right?
00:26:10.400 So isn't this significant?
00:26:12.620 I mean, they, they stopped certain vaccines in the past because five people died, 15,000 people die.
00:26:19.040 Oh no, there's nothing to worry about, nothing to see here, you know, just move on, right?
00:26:23.120 Yeah.
00:26:24.280 And that's a, you know, I, I can't believe it, you know, and people are lining up, you're coming from other countries, you know, to the United States to be, to be jabbed.
00:26:34.480 I, I don't understand it, you know, all I could tell you, I can even tell you more, worse things, but I want to frighten people to death, you know, the job is doing its, its job well enough in itself, you know, right?
00:26:46.780 For that purpose.
00:26:48.360 Father, just as, as we close off here, I wanted to ask you, what moved you from being such a valuable stalwart pro-life activist into the, into the priesthood?
00:27:03.680 Because I remember you as, you know, you were, you were already, you know, you were well established in the pro-life movement, as it were, and working away.
00:27:12.100 But what actually moved you to the priesthood?
00:27:13.800 Well, it was God, you know, I had the vocation right from when I was about 14 years old, I wanted to be a priest then.
00:27:21.000 And I did go to the seminary when I was 18 years old.
00:27:24.600 But I only stayed for one year, and I planned to go back, but, well, I didn't.
00:27:29.780 And over the years, you know, I, I made attempts to, to, to get, to get married, but it never worked out, you know.
00:27:38.740 Thank God, I say, I tell the people in my parish, God saved me, you know.
00:27:43.800 It saved the women, too, probably.
00:27:46.920 But anyway, but then, you know, it became obvious that he was calling me.
00:27:53.280 Many things happened, which seemed to be coincidences.
00:27:56.500 When I lived in Toronto, I lived in a place where I could get to about six or seven different Catholic churches, you know, within 10 minutes.
00:28:03.520 So, sometimes, you know, if I went to one church on a Saturday, my own parish on a Saturday night, and I didn't want to hear the same homily again, I would go to a different church Sunday morning.
00:28:14.000 And one time I went to one of these parishes, and the priest, he was an elderly priest, and he preached about how he had gone to the seminary when he was 52 years old.
00:28:24.160 Wow.
00:28:24.760 I didn't go back to that parish for three months.
00:28:27.020 The next time I went there, the same priest preached about how he went into the seminary when he was 52 years old, and I was about 48 or 49 at the time, right?
00:28:39.600 I said, wow, that's amazing, you know, right?
00:28:43.740 That's amazing.
00:28:44.620 When I was at one of these UN conferences in New York, the last preparatory meeting, there were some people from France, and this woman from France kept, I only saw her that one time, she kept calling me mon père.
00:29:00.740 You know, I was wearing a business suit, you know, with a tie and everything, right?
00:29:04.000 That's what I did when I was lobbying, right?
00:29:05.960 You had to look decent, you know?
00:29:07.440 Yeah.
00:29:07.820 After a few times, I said to her, why are you calling me mon père?
00:29:11.520 He said, well, you're a priest, aren't you?
00:29:12.880 I said, no, I'm not a priest.
00:29:15.200 If I were a priest, I'd be wearing a collar.
00:29:17.280 She says, oh, no, no, in France, that's the way they dress, you know?
00:29:20.680 I said, no, no, no, in Canada, we wear a collar, you know?
00:29:24.580 And then at the end of the same meeting, a friend of mine who lives in the United States, who I lobbied with many times, you know, in various conferences, all of a sudden, he looks at me and he says, have you ever thought of becoming a priest?
00:29:40.420 I said, yes, but why do you ask me now?
00:29:42.580 He says, I don't know.
00:29:44.260 Well, I was talking to a man in Toronto, you know, Mike DelGrant.
00:29:47.280 Yeah.
00:29:47.820 When he first ran his trust, right, he asked me to help him go door to door.
00:29:54.440 And I said, okay, I'll do it.
00:29:56.180 And then we started talking about politics and things.
00:29:58.620 And all of a sudden, he says, have you ever thought of becoming a priest?
00:30:02.860 I said, I have, yes, but why do you ask me now?
00:30:05.540 And he says, I don't know.
00:30:07.240 And there are more cases like this where it was just one after another, you know?
00:30:12.660 Yeah.
00:30:13.160 And the final one was, I had gone to the Beijing conference, right?
00:30:18.160 Niagara Right to Life had booked me to come and give a talk on the Beijing conference when I came back.
00:30:24.240 So, I went there and I gave the, I was seated at a table, it was a dinner, and there was another priest there.
00:30:31.260 And he was elderly.
00:30:33.200 And we got to talking and then he said, I went to the seminary when I was 59 years old.
00:30:40.720 59.
00:30:41.200 And I said, okay, God, I understand.
00:30:44.860 That is the exact moment.
00:30:46.880 That is the exact moment when I said to God, okay, I'll go.
00:30:51.780 No, I'm serious.
00:30:52.760 This is, I remember it like it was yesterday, you know, right?
00:30:56.880 And while there are many other things that happened as well.
00:30:59.500 So, but it was obvious, you know, he was calling me, right?
00:31:01.600 Well, we thank you, Father, for your ministry, both formerly in the pro-life movement and then as an awesome priest.
00:31:08.920 Thank you for being with us in this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.
00:31:12.500 You're very welcome and continued great work for LifeSite, all right?
00:31:18.220 Awesome.
00:31:18.700 Thank you, Father.
00:31:19.260 If you wouldn't mind giving us your blessing before we leave, that would be awesome.
00:31:22.580 So, may Almighty God bless you and LifeSite and all the people who work for you, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
00:31:29.000 Amen.
00:31:29.680 Thank you so much, Father.
00:31:30.740 God bless you.
00:31:31.440 All right.
00:31:31.820 You're welcome.
00:31:32.800 Bye-bye.
00:31:33.480 And God bless all of you.
00:31:34.660 We'll see you next time.
00:31:35.560 We'll see you next time.
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