Liz Yor is a lawyer, researcher, and advocate for Catholic children all over the world. She has been involved in all of the Catholic Church s scandals, including the abuse crisis, the sex abuse scandal, and the scandal surrounding the Catholic hierarchy. She is now working on a new project called "The Good Holy Priest Project," in which she seeks to speak out in support of Catholic children, and in defense of Catholic priests who have been sidelined by their bishops.
00:00:00.000With the cancellation of so many good and faithful priests and this simultaneous elevation of insanely what normally should be called heretical priests around the globe, we want to talk with someone who understands the Catholic world, someone who's been involved in the Catholic world as an activist, as a faithful Catholic, as someone who has advocated not only for Catholic priests, for Catholic children all over the world, has been involved in all of these crises.
00:00:27.700We're going to be speaking with Liz Yor. You're going to want to stay tuned.
00:00:49.920Liz, thank you for being with us on the John Henry Weston Show.
00:00:52.820John, I'm thrilled to be with you today. Thank you for the invitation.
00:00:56.420Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
00:01:04.480Liz, you're a lawyer. You're an activist. You're someone who has been involved intimately with the Church. You're a researcher.
00:01:11.300You've done phenomenal things investigating what has gone on with the abuse crisis in the Church, with the crisis in the hierarchy.
00:01:18.880I mean, you've got to—we could talk all day, but there's so many things going on right now with the cancellation of excellent, awesome priests, and the elevation of just unbelievably heretical priests.
00:01:35.820So let's talk about what you're doing right now, this new project of yours.
00:01:39.660Well, thank you, John. Yes, Francis would say, God is a God of surprises.
00:01:43.760I spent much of my life investigating clergy abuse scandals and investigating the Vatican, and here I am almost instantaneously on the side of good, holy, faithful priests,
00:01:56.900who have, who have, to my shock and horror, been canceled, banished, sidelined by their bishops for no reason, no canonical reason, and it is something that, frankly, has been going on for a while.
00:02:14.500And, you know, shamefully, I did not know about this until recently, and I really feel compelled to speak up on behalf of them because I feel like this is a moment where, you know, all the forces are closing in on the Church, and I—we do need our good holy priests.
00:02:37.160And, you know, interestingly enough, you know, it's as if for the last 50 years, they've taken away our liturgy, they've taken away the teaching of the Church, they've closed our churches, now they've—they shut down the churches for a year.
00:02:53.320And then the last straw is that they're going to take away a good holy priest, and it's as if the people in the pews have said, enough is enough.
00:03:04.060You know, it was, I think, Tip O'Neill who said, all politics is local.
00:03:09.300Well, it's very much like, you know, this is—these are the priests that the parishioners have confessed to, have—these priests have baptized their children and buried their grandparents,
00:03:22.400and have brought many back to the faith, and have grown the parish, and—and to our horror, because they speak the truth boldly from the pulpit.
00:03:35.240But during this time when there's all sorts of lies and communists and diabolical ideology coming from all corners of the culture, including the Church,
00:03:47.240we have these amazing, brave priests who, you know, frankly, John, when I was growing up, this—you know, these were the kinds of priests that I heard every Sunday from the pulpit.
00:03:57.440But nevertheless, people have said, enough is enough.
00:04:01.840We are not going to take it any longer.
00:04:04.960You—you're not going to rob us of the last vestion of our faith.
00:04:10.740And—and this is, you know, this to me is really where people have drawn the line in the sand.
00:04:18.660And so, of course, everybody knows breaking news about Father James Altman, this bold, brave, smart, fearless, happy warrior.
00:04:27.900This priest who has—also has a law degree—is really, you know, saying what is the truth, calling out the Democratic Party, calling out our so-called Catholic president,
00:04:42.500and calling out the Democratic Party that had been for years under JFK, you know, a pro-life party,
00:04:48.860and had overnight switched to the most pro-abort party, and also really under Biden.
00:04:57.700John, you've done an incredible job in tracking the radical change in policies almost on a day-to-day basis, making them—you know, coming from the Biden administration.
00:05:11.000And fortunately, we have a priest who's speaking out about it, Father Altman, and to our horror, you know,
00:05:19.160we don't have the bishops in unison behind—behind Father Altman, behind this abomination of this Catholic president destroying the—all the pro-life progress that has been made in protection for the unborn.
00:05:35.560And yet, God gives us a voice of this good holy priest, and now we find ourselves in the situation of he's going to be silenced, canceled,
00:05:48.140as well as other good holy priests like Father Parker from the Diocese of Rockford, Father John Lovell from the Diocese of Lovell,
00:05:57.220and many other—Father Kalachick, of course, from my diocese—good, holy priests that have really tried to stay faithful in the face of enormous pressure, both internally and externally.
00:06:12.620And so this is really a moment I don't think we've ever seen in the church where it's really the faithful people that are standing behind their priests,
00:06:22.420and it appears in opposition to the hierarchy.
00:06:26.240Now, we know that Archbishop Vigano has spoken out very clearly and forcefully in support of Father Altman and others,
00:06:38.860and he's obviously been that lone voice crying in the wilderness, but a clear voice, a brave voice, and a bold one.
00:06:48.700That has really woken the conscience, I think, of the church, and certainly given all of us the—not only the hope that we're not abandoned in this dark time of the church,
00:07:02.240but also the ability to see clearly the—you know, he talked about—and, John, in a lot of your interviews with him,
00:07:10.980he talks about the convergence of the deep state and the deep church.
00:07:16.040Archbishop Vigano understands this complex global dynamic that has been going on for many years, really sub-Rosa,
00:07:29.040And to, frankly, my horror, and I'm sure to many Catholics horror, this has been going on,
00:07:35.200this working towards the new world order, the globalists, the transhumanism,
00:07:40.860the Masonic, one-world religion, has been operational on a lot of levels, and now it's kind of come to light.
00:07:50.780And I think this is as bracing and jarring as this is.
00:07:56.500It allows all of us to see with clear eyes and to know the truth.
00:08:02.640And once you know the truth, you're able to articulate and understand on a daily basis the events that occur.
00:08:12.440But with Archbishop Vigano's guidance and insight—he had a foot in both worlds,
00:08:19.300in the United States as well as in Italy and in the Vatican—
00:08:24.640He certainly has helped me to understand what's been going on, certainly with the McCarrick phenomenon,
00:08:33.380and also what's going on with all the church around the world.
00:08:38.640And so this allegiance, this partnership between the deep state and the deep church here in the United States,
00:08:47.240we really need voices in the church to speak out and to, like yours does, to speak for the baby in the womb.
00:08:56.520And, you know, really, this is what it's all getting down to.
00:09:00.840It's, you know, the core value of our faith and the survival of Western civilization is the child in the womb.
00:09:12.440And so for that reason, it's absolutely critical that we continue to support Father Altman as he speaks on behalf of the baby in the womb,
00:09:26.620on behalf of those priests who elevate this teaching, elevate it above all teaching in the Catholic Church.
00:09:35.140So here we are. It's so interesting to me that here we are with the Eucharist as the source and summit of our faith
00:09:42.680and the issue of pro-life now being front and center in this battle, this, you know, epic battle between the deep state and deep church and the rest of us.
00:09:58.460You know, I say in many respects, bring it on.
00:10:02.880I mean, this was often, you know, it was really about the child and protecting the innocence of the child.
00:10:12.620That's what the clergy abuse scandal was all about.
00:10:15.660We call our priests father because we expect them to be protective and paternal towards their people in the pews,
00:10:25.060towards their parishioners, especially towards the children.
00:10:28.460In passing on the faith, that did not happen.
00:10:33.240And so it really does all go down to life.
00:10:39.560It's every day, as you know, John, you know, it's become breaking news left and right,
00:10:46.560you know, with Father Altman speaking out against the experimental vaccination or jab.
00:10:51.900The masking issue, the closing of churches, all of these issues, you know, are facing everyone.
00:11:01.260And so we really need spiritual guidance, fortitude, perseverance, and discernment in order to figure out where God wants us and his church.
00:11:14.360What role do we need to play in this epic battle that's going on in society?
00:11:25.780You've got the cancellation of the best priests while the elevation of the worst.
00:11:30.220The worst in the true sense where these people are doing what Christ told them not to do.
00:11:35.780Remember Christ saying, you know, it would be better for you that a millstone be tied about your neck than you mislead the little ones.
00:11:41.000And in promoting homosexuality, as he does, Father James Martin is, and in promoting him, the Pope is, you know, misleading the little ones in the worst possible way, in the way, actually, the mainstream culture is pushing like nothing else.
00:11:55.700And it's so unreal that this is all happening.
00:11:59.800And it does feel, it does feel, it could feel totally overwhelming that Catholics don't know what to do.
00:12:05.900But that's why I loved when you said, bring it on, because there's a warrior mentality.
00:13:03.820In this time, we're called to be soldiers actually to defend, in a way, our chiefs or our majors or our generals in the army who are still fighting for truth.
00:13:14.020Because there has been, as Taylor Marshall might say, an infiltration.
00:14:39.720And frankly, you know, it's what I saw in the clergy abuse scandal with 80% of the victims being males.
00:14:47.440And young males, some teen males, some even male children with a clergy that is 100% male.
00:14:54.340So it's a message that we need to reinforce despite the tsunami of sexualization that's coming from every single corner, including getting canceled, getting punished, losing your job, any number of offenses that they could impose upon us for speaking the truth.
00:15:17.360But people, people need to watch that with respect to the canceled priest organization, the coalition of canceled priest.
00:15:27.540You know, I was privileged to moderate the event last week, and I was on the stage looking at, John, this was amazing.
00:15:36.040In 10 days, this organization organized 1,000 people outside the city of Chicago to a rainy night in Chicago to attend.
00:15:47.300It was wall-to-wall people, 1,000 people.
00:15:49.700They could have had 3,000, 4,000 people there.
00:15:52.420They were turning them away at the door to support this Father Parker, who had been sidelined by Bishop Malloy of the Diocese of Rockford.
00:16:02.580Father Altman spoke, and to sit out on the, look at the audience, what I noticed for the first time, I knew a number of the people, many of them traditional Latin mass goers, very faithful people, all ages were there.
00:16:20.520But there is a sense of, we're not going to take this anymore.
00:16:25.260This was, some nice old ladies were screaming catcalls from the, you know, they have had it.
00:16:30.900They loved their priests, and they wanted marching orders from, you know, Father Altman.
00:16:39.760And, you know, interestingly, Father Altman, this was before he was sidelined by his bishop, but anticipating that action, he said, you know, as a former hockey player, it's time to drop the gloves.
00:16:53.020You know, the Aussie, you know, I'm a Chicago Blackhawks fan, when they drop the gloves, you know, watch out for the fights that are going to begin.
00:17:01.100And it's about getting that warrior spirit.
00:17:04.940You know, as you said, John, we are soldiers of Christ by the basis of our confirmation.
00:17:11.020And while none of us, up until maybe this moment in time, realized what that meant, now we're beginning to see that we need to take on the armor of Christ and fight for our priests.
00:17:23.860And so I saw an energy, frankly, they're fed up, about, you know, and saddened and furious and really looking for direction.
00:17:34.080You know, among the things that I say to people is we need to pray, first and foremost, for these canceled priests.
00:17:41.120And there are hundreds of them, as you know, John Henry, all over the United States.
00:17:45.300Many of them have just quietly slipped away, living at home with their elderly parents on the couch in assisted living.
00:17:54.340I mean, that's what it's come to, because they don't have salary.
00:17:57.720They're not, they're denied their vocation, the ability to say the mass and the sacraments.
00:18:06.100This is just like a sword through their heart.
00:18:09.640And so prayer, pray for these men and really pray for discernment.
00:18:15.000Many of us said, you know, we need to close the wallet and support, financially support these priests so that they can not only hire canon lawyers, but civil lawyers and work their case through the civil and canon law courts.
00:18:31.580And finally, I think it's important, it's important to protest and to protest.
00:18:40.000And that's what I've learned from the old timers in the pro-life movement, you know, who in the 1973, Joe Scheidler and many others, you know, were in front of those abortion clinics, peacefully protesting, yet being arrested, you know, nevertheless.
00:18:57.020And it was that handful of people, brave soldiers for Christ, fighting for the unborn that really slowly and gradually build the momentum to where we are, LifeSite News, you know, and really the great laws that are being put on the books in many, many states to protect the child in the womb.
00:19:20.420And many of us won't see the impact of our work.
00:19:27.300We just have to pray and be guided by the Holy Spirit.
00:19:31.080And, you know, I'm thinking of things, you know, protesting in front of Holy Trinity Church in Georgetown when Joe Biden goes to mass and apparently at the direction of Cardinal Milton Gregory is allowed to receive Holy Communion.
00:19:45.620You know, you know, protesting this unfair cancellation and sideline by writing to the bishops in the nuncio.
00:19:53.180We need to to really take a have a paradigm shift, I think, among the laity and that paradigm shift requires us not only upholding our good and holy priests, but also upholding the teachings of the Catholic Church.
00:20:10.340And under Canon 2.12, we have an obligation to do that.
00:20:15.920It was, you know, as we know, Fulton Sheen, you've said this many times, it is the laity, not the bishops and not even the priests that are going to save the American Catholic Church.
00:20:26.060One of the really interesting things about what you said is that it is very, very true that the potentates in politics, but also in the church, they actually hate hassle.
00:20:40.320Their lives often are built around hassle avoidance.
00:20:43.060And so all of those emails and faxes and, God forbid, phone calls and showing up to make an appointment with your bishop, that is hasslesome.
00:20:56.260But it's so important from a Catholic perspective, too, because so there's the political aspect, which is very, very good.
00:21:02.620But there's also, from a Catholic perspective, as brothers and sisters of the bishop himself, who's also a Catholic, we have to be concerned for their soul.
00:21:12.280And we know, often with these bishops, they're misleading our own children.
00:21:18.440They get the, you know, the warning of our Lord, it would be better for you that you had a millstone tied about your neck and thrown into the sea.
00:21:26.720We have to warn them in charity and love, but we have to warn them.
00:21:29.360It's also a hassle for them, and it might encourage them to change their ways, even out of the hassle that they're getting, let alone to do the truth and to avoid the millstone award.
00:22:36.440We prayed and it was silent, but it attracted so much attention.
00:22:41.740There's so many demonstrations like this that we can do, especially we can kneel on the pavement and pray.
00:22:47.300And what a statement that makes and get someone who's good at public speaking to be able to give the message because reporters are going to come by.
00:22:53.720People are going to be interested in what's going on.
00:22:55.480What an incredible witness to the faith that we can make.
00:23:02.160He was there, not, he was sort of in disguise, if you will.
00:23:06.040He wasn't there in a public way, but it was the time when he had to be so shielded because he was really on the run, as it were, from the authorities in the Vatican, which have, you know, made of him like public enemy number one.
00:23:18.200It's unreal because he exposes what's actually going on on the inside.
00:23:25.460And in a way, he really is a silver lining because in this time that seems so dark, and I guess in many of the times in the church where things have been so, so dark, our Lord raises up someone who's able to still bring out the truth, who's able to show the truth of Christ when there's so much darkness.
00:23:45.060And the more of the darkness there is, the more those truth givers shine.
00:23:49.600And so that's one of the incredible things about Archbishop Vigano.
00:23:52.800You know, the times are so, so dark, and he seems to be one of the only voices, along with a number of others who are so, bring so much good to the church, like Archbishop, excuse me, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Cardinal Miller, and many others, Cardinal Burke, of course.
00:24:07.880So it's just, there are not only silver linings, but these beacons are shining brighter because of the darkness of our times.
00:24:14.640I would urge everybody, you know, we've always talked about the Catholic imagination, which is really fueled by the Holy Spirit.
00:24:21.940And in the beautiful prayers and devotions of our church, when people say, well, what can we do?
00:24:28.100I mean, I think of the Catholic imagination, just like your protest in front of Cardinal Marx.
00:24:34.260That is the Catholic imagination at work.
00:24:38.080And so I would urge people to really tap into that.
00:24:44.960Having worked for media companies in the past, I would urge people, you know, if they're Netflix, if they're, you need to have your voice heard, whether it's advertising, you know, there's no excuse anymore.
00:24:58.660People can just go on the internet and contact the head of advertising, the CEO of companies, the CEO of your parish or of your archdiocese and speak truth to power.
00:25:10.920You know, there's a picture on the internet.
00:25:14.260It's of Soldier Field, the big stadium where the Chicago Bears have played for decades.
00:25:20.440And it's 1943 in the midst of World War II.
00:25:26.420And 80,000 people are filling the stadium at night with lighted candles, praying the rosary and adoration.
00:25:35.840And, you know, I remember that time in Chicago, when you look out at the horizon, and there's nothing but Catholic steeples and church steeples.
00:25:48.060And on every corner in some neighborhoods, there was a German church and Italian church and Irish church and a Polish church.
00:25:55.160That was the faith that I grew up with.
00:25:59.040And, of course, people were afraid because their husbands and sons were in World War II fighting overseas, a terrible war.
00:26:09.900And so they turned to God in this magnificent, magnificent stadium full of prayers.
00:26:16.840And, you know, that's my hope at some point, that we can bring the faithful back.
00:26:22.780You know, millions have left the church.
00:26:25.420They left the church after Vatican II.
00:26:27.860They left the church during the clergy abuse scandal.
00:26:32.140Many are now kind of sliding away because of the cyber masses and the churches were closed for a year because the church walked in lockstep with the government.
00:26:44.400I'm just hoping that this, you know, struggle, this epic struggle that we're in is that opportunity to bring the millions back to the church.
00:26:54.400One of the things I was thinking of this morning, actually, by praying my rosary, I was thinking, gosh, you know, we need to up our glorious mysteries.
00:27:01.040Because I think a lot of people, you know, are now doing the calendar of the joyful on Monday, the sorrowful on Tuesday, the glorious on Wednesday, but then the luminous on Thursday, and then back to the sorrowful again.
00:27:12.400And then Saturdays, they're often doing the joyful and back to the glorious on Sunday.
00:27:16.820I think we have to go back to the old practice of having at least the glorious mysteries on Saturday and Sunday and Wednesday so that there's a majority of glorious mysteries, only because it shows you Christ wins in the end.
00:27:28.480That Christ is God and he will be victorious.
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