The John-Henry Westen Show - November 21, 2024


Challenging the Francis' Papacy ｜ Fr. Giorgio Maria Faré and the Church’s Crisis


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In this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, Father Girolamo Fari talks about his thesis that Pope Francis does not have the power to sanction same-sex unions, and why he decided to speak out about it.

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00:00:00.000 I could no longer continue in this situation. I did not know exactly what would happen to me, but I imagined there would be consequences.
00:00:17.000 Hello, my friends. You know that at LifeSite News, we have been going through a debate over whether Pope Francis is indeed the Pope or not.
00:00:25.080 There are many on either side of the question. As we know, Archbishop Vigano has just come out on the other side and for that face the charge of schism and an automatic excommunication, as they say.
00:00:35.820 Also, there was Archbishop Jan Pawelenga, who was in Kazakhstan, now living in Poland, who says as well that Pope Francis is not the true Pope, as well as the U.S. Bishop, René Grasida.
00:00:48.380 When doing these things, when making these pronouncements is, of course, very threatening.
00:00:54.860 As we know, Archbishop Vigano called excommunicated. So the penalties are grave.
00:01:01.740 There was a priest in Italy just a little while ago who also came out.
00:01:06.960 What was stunning about his coming out is that he is a very prominent priest in Italy.
00:01:13.320 Let me give you a little bit of the background of Father Giorgio Maria Fari.
00:01:19.160 He is born in 1972.
00:01:22.620 He obtained a bachelor's degree in fundamental theology in Milan at the theological faculty in northern Italy
00:01:29.260 and a doctorate in theology with a specialization in fundamental theology in Rome at the Pontifical Gregorian University.
00:01:36.940 Now, this is a very famous university and so a very lauded degree.
00:01:43.080 Before he had his priestly ordination, he served for six years as a volunteer ministering to men in prison in Milan.
00:01:51.160 And after ordination, he was an exalted member of the clergy.
00:01:55.180 He was a member of the Priestly Council of the Archdiocese of Milan from 2009 to 2020.
00:02:00.060 And he was secretary of the Diocesan Conference of Major Superiors for the Archdiocese of Milan
00:02:05.900 and the councillor of the Presidency of the Council of the Conference of Major Superiors of Lombardy from 2011 to 2019.
00:02:13.900 This is the organization, by the way, that represents the leaders of male religious orders and congregations in Italy.
00:02:19.500 He's also a published author of several books.
00:02:22.760 In 2013, he published the book The Holy Mass in Two Forms of the Roman Rite, Celebrate, Serve and Understand,
00:02:29.280 with a preface by Cardinal Antonio Canizares La Vera and an introduction by Father Nicholas Books.
00:02:38.040 In 2016, he published a book called The Perfect Sacrifice.
00:02:41.400 And in 2024, he published the book Man and the Church in Front of the Threshold.
00:02:46.960 Father is a discalced Carmelite, and we want to talk to him both about the reasons why he'd take this step,
00:02:55.520 even though he knew its ramifications, which are very severe,
00:02:59.120 and then asking him about the thesis itself and what drew him to this conclusion.
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00:03:44.360 Father Fari, welcome to the program.
00:03:46.100 Thank you for this invitation and this interview.
00:03:48.240 In nomine Patris et fili e spiritus santi. Amen.
00:03:52.660 Amen.
00:03:53.780 Thank you, Father.
00:03:54.700 It's good to be with you.
00:03:55.800 Let me start, and I thank you for doing this, by the way.
00:03:58.880 I wanted to start with this question.
00:04:01.720 Knowing that you might face severe sanctions for doing this,
00:04:06.800 what motivated you to go ahead with revealing your theory, your thesis on what's going on with Pope Francis?
00:04:15.060 It is.
00:04:15.880 My decision was a matter of conscience.
00:04:18.400 I could no longer remain silent.
00:04:20.760 Because when one sees the truth being denied, and millions of faithful falling into error,
00:04:27.840 staying silent becomes unbearable.
00:04:30.240 The one who should be the living rule of faith cannot make ambiguous statements or worse statements contrary to doctrine.
00:04:39.560 So I ask myself, if a divorced and remarried person, faithful, came to me and asked me,
00:04:47.220 how should I live, what should I do?
00:04:50.940 Should I say what Jesus teaches in the gospel, what St. John the Baptist sacrifices life for,
00:04:56.960 or what Pope Francis says?
00:04:59.500 So, and if a homosexual couple came to me asking for a blessing, what should I do? 1.00
00:05:05.000 Should I follow the teaching of the church reaffirmed in 2021 in the responsum signed by Cardinal Laudaria
00:05:13.340 and approved by Pope Francis, which states that the church does not have the power to bless same-sex unions,
00:05:21.460 or should I apply fiducia supplicants, also approved by Pope Francis, which says the opposite?
00:05:27.340 I wonder which Pope Francis should be followed, the one from 21 or the one from 23?
00:05:34.500 Can the Pope's magisterium change so radically in just three years on such an important issue?
00:05:40.820 I could no longer continue in this situation.
00:05:44.620 I did not know exactly what would happen to me, but I imagined there would be consequences.
00:05:50.400 Yet, I could not silence my conscience or deceive people just out of fear of the repercussions.
00:05:56.960 So let's get into the thesis of yours, which came out really at first as a sermon.
00:06:01.900 So in your sermon, you mention a long discernment process.
00:06:06.720 But why did you decide to reveal your thesis to the faithful at this time?
00:06:12.760 Thank you for this important question.
00:06:15.380 This is a very delicate matter, and I was aware of its disruptive implications.
00:06:22.040 For this reason, I waited until I was certain in my conscience of what I had come to understand.
00:06:27.520 I would have waited even longer, but several situations arose, increasingly close together,
00:06:35.300 which I had to decide whether my preaching should remain faithful to the doctrine of the Church,
00:06:40.380 as I have always known it and studied, a doctrine aligned with the gospel of Jesus Christ,
00:06:46.780 or if I should go against the truth and my conscience,
00:06:50.000 whether I should preach and act according to the current novelties.
00:06:55.640 Fully aware that what is being said nowadays does not constitute genuine acts of the magisterium.
00:07:01.960 Can you explain why Pope Benedict saying,
00:07:06.380 I declare to renounce instead of I renounce, is significant?
00:07:11.160 This question is very, very, very important.
00:07:14.000 So, it's important because, as various lawyers have explained,
00:07:19.700 such as attorneys Antonacci and Soma, and even Father Cornet,
00:07:25.320 the choice of words in a legal act is crucial.
00:07:29.500 And in a specific case, the words used by Pope Benedict have a precise impact.
00:07:35.720 Saying, I declare to renounce is not the same as saying, I renounce.
00:07:41.300 Let's consider an example.
00:07:42.440 If I say, I declare to buy a car,
00:07:46.240 this does not mean that I'm purchasing a car at that moment.
00:07:49.680 I am merely expressing an intention,
00:07:52.520 but the actual action may never take place.
00:07:56.440 Similarly, saying, I declare to do something in a legal context,
00:08:01.460 is not a definite act, but merely a promise or an intention.
00:08:06.960 To effectively renounce an office,
00:08:09.000 one must state unequivocally that the action is taking place in the present.
00:08:15.240 A correct formulation would be,
00:08:17.100 I renounce my office with immediate effect,
00:08:19.600 or I declare that I'm renouncing my office now.
00:08:23.480 And there is another element that fundamentally invalidates the declaration,
00:08:28.160 and that is the addition of a temporal clause.
00:08:30.660 The renunciation of the papacy has the characteristics of what is referred to,
00:08:35.900 in legal jargon, as a pure juridical act.
00:08:40.260 Pure juridical acts are acts which, due to their importance,
00:08:44.380 and to avoid possible uncertainties and ambiguities,
00:08:47.760 do not allow for the presence of accidental elements,
00:08:51.700 typically conditions or terms.
00:08:53.500 In fact, Canon 189.3 of the Code of Canon Law
00:08:58.740 stipulates that the renunciation of an ecclesiastical office,
00:09:03.040 that it's not subject to acceptance,
00:09:05.480 and this is the case with the pulp renunciation,
00:09:08.660 according to Canon 332.2,
00:09:11.880 must have immediate effect.
00:09:13.240 The addition of a temporal clause renders the act of renunciation
00:09:17.820 not only null, but even non-existent.
00:09:21.160 An example of another pure juridical act is marriage.
00:09:25.000 One cannot say,
00:09:26.580 I, John, take you marry as my wife,
00:09:29.040 starting from the next November 28th,
00:09:33.440 and expect the marriage to be valid.
00:09:35.980 It must occur immediately, without conditions or terms.
00:09:39.560 In the same way, the renunciation of the papacy
00:09:41.940 cannot be subject to a term.
00:09:44.100 So, along the same lines,
00:09:45.600 why is resigning from the ministerium, as you said,
00:09:49.800 instead of the munus significant?
00:09:52.680 Is using the incorrect terms or formulas
00:09:55.780 in this resignation letter
00:09:57.220 really enough to invalidate it?
00:09:59.880 Thank you for this question,
00:10:01.060 because it is a frequent one,
00:10:02.700 and one that has generated a lot of confusion.
00:10:05.680 There has been much debate
00:10:07.220 concerning the terms munus and ministerium,
00:10:10.020 and some canon lawyers argue that they are synonyms
00:10:13.680 and that Benedict could use them regardless.
00:10:18.880 This is not true,
00:10:19.980 and there is substantial evidence to support this.
00:10:23.680 Firstly, in the Code of Canon Law
00:10:25.740 and the Apostolic Constitution Pastor Bonus,
00:10:29.680 munus and ministerium are used differently.
00:10:31.980 A canon law expert, Cardinal Peter Erdogan,
00:10:36.140 published a study in 1989,
00:10:38.920 demonstrating that these terms cannot be used as synonyms
00:10:42.080 when they have a technical meaning.
00:10:44.020 The Code of Canon Law
00:10:45.140 dedicates only one canon
00:10:47.140 to the renunciation of the Pope,
00:10:49.160 canon 3322,
00:10:51.220 which says,
00:10:52.280 The Latin expression used by the canon
00:11:07.900 to refer to the action of the Pope
00:11:09.660 is muneri suo renunciat,
00:11:12.560 meaning renounce his office.
00:11:14.440 It is perplexing why Pope Benedict,
00:11:18.100 in performing such a significant act,
00:11:20.280 did not use the technical term munus,
00:11:22.900 specifically designed for this juridical act.
00:11:26.060 Why choose a different word
00:11:27.180 if he truly intended to renounce the papacy?
00:11:30.880 I repeat,
00:11:31.520 those are the only two lines of law
00:11:33.980 that cover the case of a Pope's renunciation.
00:11:37.080 You asked me whether
00:11:38.060 the use of incorrect terms or formulas
00:11:40.320 can actually invalidate the act.
00:11:42.500 The answer is yes.
00:11:44.880 In law, precision is crucial,
00:11:46.700 especially for juridical acts of such importance.
00:11:50.540 Imprecise or ambiguous terms
00:11:52.480 can compromise clarity
00:11:53.920 and render the act invalid.
00:11:56.520 In these cases,
00:11:57.440 the person's intentions must be clear
00:11:59.620 and there can be no confusion
00:12:02.000 about what is being renounced.
00:12:04.260 Further fundamental evidence
00:12:05.980 that the two terms are not interchangeable
00:12:08.300 is found in the official translations
00:12:10.560 of the Declaratio on the Vatican website.
00:12:14.320 This is a very important piece of evidence.
00:12:17.160 In languages such as English and Italian,
00:12:19.820 munus and ministerium
00:12:21.000 have been translated with the same term,
00:12:23.560 making it impossible
00:12:25.020 to understand the difference.
00:12:26.860 However,
00:12:27.620 the official German translation
00:12:29.280 is particularly noteworthy.
00:12:31.640 In German,
00:12:32.260 the words amst and dienst,
00:12:34.640 corresponding to munus and ministerium,
00:12:36.840 are distinct and are not synonymous.
00:12:39.300 In the German translations,
00:12:41.220 these terms were swapped.
00:12:43.300 This is a very serious fact,
00:12:45.360 creating that the impression
00:12:46.500 that Benedict had renounced the munus.
00:12:49.960 This exchange is an intentional manipulation
00:12:52.660 and one must ask,
00:12:54.680 why do this,
00:12:56.060 if using the correct term
00:12:57.260 were not important?
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00:13:31.060 Wouldn't it have made more sense
00:13:32.900 for Benedict to clamp down
00:13:34.480 on the Sanyalan Mafia,
00:13:37.020 who you claim in your thesis that,
00:13:39.820 and many speculate actually,
00:13:42.380 were plotting to elect a liberal pope
00:13:44.780 as his successor,
00:13:46.080 rather than resign invalidly
00:13:48.780 and drop hints,
00:13:50.420 hoping that good cardinals
00:13:51.680 would be able to decipher his secret codes?
00:13:54.740 Thank you for this question,
00:13:56.040 because it touches
00:13:56.700 one of the most important points of the matter.
00:14:00.040 I understand that this is a complex issue
00:14:02.320 and we cannot have certain evidence
00:14:05.120 to support this theory,
00:14:06.560 but there are many clues worth considering.
00:14:09.620 I have addressed these topics in my test,
00:14:12.080 also citing other authors
00:14:13.700 who have discussed them before.
00:14:15.840 Looking at all the available testimonies,
00:14:18.560 one comes to understand
00:14:19.700 that probably from the very beginning
00:14:21.800 of his pontificate,
00:14:23.320 and certainly more and more over the years,
00:14:26.360 Benedict was put in a position
00:14:27.920 where he could no longer exercise his authority.
00:14:32.040 The Roman courier was so infiltrated
00:14:34.160 by the Gnostic faction
00:14:35.440 and ecclesiastical Freemasonry
00:14:37.800 that he stripped him of power.
00:14:40.380 We must recall the media attacks and scandals
00:14:42.840 that marked the last period of his pontificate.
00:14:45.240 Certainly, Pope Benedict did not have
00:14:48.140 a sufficient number of lies
00:14:49.620 to launch a direct attack against the enemies.
00:14:53.520 And I'm not only referring to the cardinals
00:14:55.600 of the St. Gallen group,
00:14:57.280 but also the entire Gnostic faction
00:14:59.740 infiltrated in the Church.
00:15:02.360 Therefore, it is plausible
00:15:03.760 that he chose another way
00:15:05.360 to combat these forces.
00:15:07.360 In my text,
00:15:08.680 I put forward a hypothesis
00:15:11.100 that it is the only one
00:15:13.900 compatible with the facts
00:15:15.380 and clues we have
00:15:16.860 and does not imply
00:15:18.720 any morally grave act
00:15:20.940 committed by Benedict.
00:15:22.600 The only possibility
00:15:23.680 is that he had moral certainty
00:15:25.960 that the future conclave
00:15:27.920 would be invalid
00:15:28.860 and he decided to act
00:15:31.080 in such a way
00:15:31.740 that would allow him
00:15:32.680 to leave clues
00:15:33.660 for the truth to emerge.
00:15:35.600 Journalist, Italian journalist
00:15:38.020 Andrea Cionci
00:15:38.960 has even suggested
00:15:40.260 that Benedict was in danger
00:15:41.820 of his life,
00:15:43.400 presenting evidence
00:15:44.600 that points to possible attempts on him.
00:15:47.620 If Benedict had died,
00:15:49.040 the conclave
00:15:49.700 would have been called regularly,
00:15:51.500 but the machinations
00:15:52.680 of the St. Gallen group
00:15:53.860 could have still rendered it invalid,
00:15:56.120 as provided for
00:15:57.100 by University Dominici Grages.
00:15:59.960 However, in that case,
00:16:01.380 it would have been
00:16:02.180 much more difficult,
00:16:03.420 if not impossible,
00:16:04.400 to prove the invalidity
00:16:06.100 of the election.
00:16:08.120 Even Cardinal Burke
00:16:09.240 said in 2019
00:16:11.920 in an interview
00:16:13.280 with Patrick Coffin
00:16:14.500 that certain secret agreement
00:16:16.380 made before the conclave
00:16:17.900 could have invalidated
00:16:18.980 the election.
00:16:20.580 I note that,
00:16:21.340 according to my hypothesis,
00:16:22.900 the 2013 conclave
00:16:25.420 was invalid from the start
00:16:27.020 because it was called
00:16:28.020 while the Pope
00:16:28.700 was still alive
00:16:29.660 and not renounced
00:16:30.980 to his munus.
00:16:32.600 Cardinal Burke
00:16:34.180 assumes the conclave
00:16:35.600 was valid,
00:16:36.320 but his words
00:16:37.580 confirm that
00:16:38.480 such plots
00:16:39.560 could compromise
00:16:40.520 the validity of the election.
00:16:42.160 How would you respond
00:16:43.340 to prelates
00:16:44.460 who criticize
00:16:45.580 those who claim
00:16:46.380 Francis is not the Pope,
00:16:48.440 such as Bishop
00:16:49.400 Athanasius Schneider,
00:16:50.520 who has made
00:16:51.200 strong statements
00:16:52.320 like,
00:16:52.880 and I quote,
00:16:53.820 nobody has the power
00:16:55.080 to judge Francis' status
00:16:56.720 as Pope,
00:16:57.920 end quote.
00:16:58.340 And he says
00:16:59.400 the faithful
00:17:00.040 should respond
00:17:01.120 to Francis' errors
00:17:02.460 by resisting him,
00:17:04.300 not speculating
00:17:05.360 on his status
00:17:06.380 as the Roman pontiff.
00:17:08.320 Thank you
00:17:08.720 for this interesting question.
00:17:10.460 I know Monsignor Schneider well.
00:17:12.920 We have a long-standing friendship
00:17:14.460 and I appreciate him a lot.
00:17:16.280 He has been a guest
00:17:17.280 several times
00:17:18.220 at the convent
00:17:19.020 where I was prior
00:17:19.860 about 15 years ago
00:17:21.180 for celebrations
00:17:22.240 and conferences.
00:17:23.600 However,
00:17:24.140 I do not agree
00:17:25.000 with the position
00:17:25.660 he has taken
00:17:26.300 in this case.
00:17:26.920 Monsignor Athanasius
00:17:28.820 starts from the premise
00:17:30.020 that Pope Francis
00:17:31.000 is indeed the Pope
00:17:32.320 and his argument
00:17:33.600 centers on the fact
00:17:34.800 that a Pope
00:17:35.420 cannot be judged
00:17:36.240 even if he makes
00:17:37.400 brave errors.
00:17:39.740 It is true
00:17:40.240 that,
00:17:40.680 as a rule,
00:17:41.360 no one can judge
00:17:42.500 the See of Peter.
00:17:43.920 But here,
00:17:44.620 the issue is different.
00:17:46.220 It is not about
00:17:46.920 deposing a Pope
00:17:48.000 because I argue
00:17:49.380 that Francis
00:17:49.980 is not the Pope.
00:17:50.980 The Code of Canon Law
00:17:52.060 does not address
00:17:53.140 the possibility
00:17:53.760 of a heretical Pope
00:17:55.060 and Canon Law
00:17:56.440 literature
00:17:56.980 considers it
00:17:58.180 only as a theoretical case.
00:18:01.040 Monsignor Schneider
00:18:01.940 justifies his position
00:18:03.200 by trying to show
00:18:04.320 that there have been
00:18:05.340 heretical Popes,
00:18:07.060 but the few historical
00:18:08.540 cases of heretical Popes
00:18:10.420 concern theories
00:18:11.580 that were declared
00:18:12.840 heretical only later,
00:18:15.280 often on very complex
00:18:16.780 theological issues.
00:18:18.480 For example,
00:18:19.320 consider Pope Honorius
00:18:21.180 the focal point
00:18:22.620 of Monsignor Schneider's
00:18:23.920 argument.
00:18:25.440 Pope Honorius
00:18:26.140 adhered to
00:18:26.860 monothelism,
00:18:28.340 a heresy
00:18:28.900 concerning the
00:18:29.640 divine will of Jesus.
00:18:31.140 Today,
00:18:31.500 we are not discussing
00:18:32.480 new or subtle
00:18:33.760 theological questions
00:18:35.100 such as monothelism.
00:18:36.860 The situation
00:18:37.600 we are experiencing
00:18:38.540 is very different.
00:18:40.180 Pope Francis,
00:18:41.220 according to many,
00:18:42.420 has taken positions
00:18:43.600 that openly contradict
00:18:45.380 the doctrine
00:18:46.260 of the Church
00:18:46.980 as defined
00:18:47.980 by the Catechism
00:18:49.120 and previous
00:18:50.080 Magisterium.
00:18:51.680 This creates
00:18:52.560 a problem.
00:18:54.140 A Pope cannot,
00:18:54.960 by definition,
00:18:56.000 contradict the doctrine
00:18:57.580 he is called
00:18:58.340 to uphold.
00:18:59.940 The proximal rule
00:19:01.140 of faith
00:19:01.720 cannot contradict
00:19:02.760 the remote rule
00:19:04.080 of faith.
00:19:04.800 Canon 752
00:19:06.620 of the Code
00:19:07.340 of Canon Law
00:19:08.020 states,
00:19:09.460 although not
00:19:10.360 an ascent
00:19:11.020 of faith,
00:19:11.940 a religion's
00:19:12.660 submission
00:19:13.100 of the intellect
00:19:14.080 and will
00:19:14.680 must be given
00:19:15.760 to a doctrine
00:19:16.560 which the Supreme
00:19:17.900 Pontiff
00:19:18.540 or the College
00:19:19.920 of Bishops
00:19:20.500 declare
00:19:21.120 concerning faith
00:19:22.520 or morals
00:19:23.360 when they exercise
00:19:24.800 the authentic
00:19:25.580 Magisterium
00:19:26.420 even if they
00:19:27.480 do not intend
00:19:28.400 to proclaim
00:19:29.060 it by definita.
00:19:31.100 Therefore,
00:19:31.840 the Christian faithful
00:19:33.120 are to take care
00:19:34.680 to avoid
00:19:35.320 those things
00:19:36.140 which do not
00:19:36.980 agree with it.
00:19:38.200 The faithful
00:19:38.760 thus give,
00:19:40.180 and I quote,
00:19:41.180 religious submission
00:19:42.260 of the intellect
00:19:43.300 and will,
00:19:44.140 end of quote,
00:19:44.900 to the authentic
00:19:45.780 Magisterium
00:19:46.440 even if it
00:19:47.120 is not definitive.
00:19:48.740 If Pope Francis
00:19:49.740 is the Pope
00:19:50.300 then one must
00:19:51.040 obey him.
00:19:52.020 It is not
00:19:52.420 permissible to say
00:19:53.380 we oppose
00:19:54.140 will not implement
00:19:55.520 amoris laetitia
00:19:56.640 or fiducia supplicans
00:19:58.040 because if Pope Francis
00:20:00.080 is the Pope
00:20:00.820 these are act
00:20:01.940 of the authentic Magisterium.
00:20:03.980 But this creates
00:20:04.780 a contradiction.
00:20:06.160 Obeying the Pope
00:20:06.920 cannot mean
00:20:07.700 going against
00:20:08.740 one's unconscious
00:20:09.780 and the doctrine.
00:20:11.320 It is an
00:20:12.340 unprecedented impasse.
00:20:14.200 As I said
00:20:14.640 in my homily
00:20:15.720 never give up
00:20:17.040 on that line
00:20:17.680 Francis' doctrinal
00:20:19.300 errors are proof
00:20:20.820 that he is not
00:20:21.540 the Pope.
00:20:22.800 Thus,
00:20:23.240 it is not about
00:20:24.060 deposing
00:20:24.720 a heretical Pope
00:20:25.740 but about recognising
00:20:26.780 that Francis
00:20:27.440 were never Pope.
00:20:28.820 Therefore,
00:20:29.340 the solution
00:20:29.820 is not to seek
00:20:30.580 compromises
00:20:31.260 but to open our eyes
00:20:32.620 and word to demonstrate
00:20:33.740 that Francis
00:20:34.360 was never Pope.
00:20:36.220 My position
00:20:36.700 is that
00:20:37.240 at the root
00:20:37.860 of everything
00:20:38.380 lies the deliberately
00:20:39.700 invalid
00:20:40.540 renunciation
00:20:41.320 of Benedict.
00:20:42.720 I like Professor
00:20:44.800 Ed Maza
00:20:45.560 who speaks
00:20:46.620 of a substantial error
00:20:47.980 concerning the concept
00:20:49.260 of a dual papacy
00:20:50.260 I believe that Benedict
00:20:51.420 acted deliberately
00:20:52.820 with a precise plan
00:20:54.720 to save the Church.
00:20:56.280 This interpretation
00:20:56.920 is also shared
00:20:58.060 by Italian journalists
00:20:59.060 Andrea Cionci
00:20:59.840 and Patrick Coffin.
00:21:01.480 If your thesis
00:21:02.180 is correct
00:21:02.880 how can we now
00:21:04.740 get to a true Pope?
00:21:06.640 Will we ever have
00:21:07.720 another Pope again?
00:21:08.480 How do we do this?
00:21:09.520 Very important question.
00:21:11.400 Hopefully this answer
00:21:12.480 can enlighten many.
00:21:14.300 The only solution
00:21:15.420 is a canonical one.
00:21:17.460 True Cardinals
00:21:18.320 appointed before 2013
00:21:20.540 must publicly state
00:21:23.020 that Benedict
00:21:23.600 was the last Pope
00:21:24.760 that he remained Pope
00:21:26.480 until his death
00:21:27.240 because he never
00:21:28.400 validly abdicate
00:21:29.900 and thus elect
00:21:31.720 a new Pope.
00:21:32.640 Only they
00:21:33.560 the Cardinals
00:21:34.360 not those appointed
00:21:35.560 by an anti-Pope
00:21:36.460 otherwise
00:21:37.940 another anti-Pope
00:21:39.400 would be elected.
00:21:40.920 I do not agree
00:21:41.640 at all
00:21:42.040 with the actions
00:21:42.760 of those
00:21:43.360 who have separated
00:21:44.360 from the Church
00:21:45.420 claiming that
00:21:46.500 the Church
00:21:47.040 is corrupt
00:21:47.780 and must be
00:21:48.680 refounded somewhere else.
00:21:50.900 The Church
00:21:51.360 is one
00:21:51.840 holy,
00:21:52.780 Catholic
00:21:53.120 and apostolic.
00:21:54.400 The Church
00:21:55.140 is not entirely
00:21:56.460 and definitely
00:21:57.520 corrupt
00:21:58.180 because this
00:21:59.380 would be against
00:22:00.160 Christ's promise 0.64
00:22:01.200 non prevalebunt. 0.98
00:22:02.880 The Church
00:22:03.740 is afflicted
00:22:04.380 by a cancer
00:22:05.080 and extensive
00:22:06.200 infiltration.
00:22:07.260 The cancer
00:22:07.660 must be removed
00:22:08.460 and those
00:22:09.620 who can
00:22:10.120 and must
00:22:10.880 act
00:22:11.320 according to
00:22:12.040 Canon Lowe
00:22:12.540 are the
00:22:13.060 Cardinals.
00:22:14.320 Truth has
00:22:14.880 a power
00:22:15.320 of its own.
00:22:16.660 It moves
00:22:17.060 hearts
00:22:17.420 and saves
00:22:18.060 lives.
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00:22:43.480 So finally
00:22:44.560 Father,
00:22:45.060 why do you
00:22:45.500 think your
00:22:45.800 superiors acted
00:22:46.580 so quickly
00:22:47.180 to move
00:22:48.040 towards your
00:22:48.560 excommunication?
00:22:49.600 The letter
00:22:50.420 warning to
00:22:51.380 you to
00:22:52.760 recant your
00:22:53.300 claim was
00:22:54.260 sent just
00:22:54.900 four days
00:22:55.700 after your
00:22:56.500 sermon.
00:22:57.060 The admonition
00:22:57.780 actually was
00:22:58.520 delivered me
00:22:59.200 on October
00:23:00.180 the 15th,
00:23:01.480 so just two
00:23:02.320 days after my
00:23:03.140 sermon,
00:23:03.640 not four.
00:23:04.880 I can say
00:23:05.520 with certainty
00:23:06.240 why they
00:23:07.740 acted so
00:23:08.260 quickly.
00:23:09.220 To understand
00:23:09.740 their true
00:23:10.240 motivations,
00:23:11.080 one would
00:23:11.600 need to
00:23:11.900 ask them.
00:23:13.040 However,
00:23:13.620 I observe
00:23:14.560 that more
00:23:15.360 voices are
00:23:16.540 raising doubts
00:23:17.420 about the
00:23:17.920 validity of
00:23:18.640 Pope Francis,
00:23:19.620 and this can
00:23:20.720 no longer be
00:23:21.520 dismissed as
00:23:22.660 fancible theories
00:23:23.820 or the
00:23:24.700 product of
00:23:25.380 unbalanced
00:23:25.920 minds.
00:23:26.940 Even on
00:23:27.400 this platform,
00:23:28.500 figures like
00:23:29.260 Patrick Coffin
00:23:30.200 and Professor
00:23:30.880 Ed Matza
00:23:31.600 have recently
00:23:32.720 taken a stand.
00:23:34.380 It is possible
00:23:35.020 that the
00:23:35.400 Vatican is
00:23:36.000 beginning to
00:23:36.520 view this
00:23:37.140 issue as
00:23:38.000 a growing
00:23:38.500 threat and
00:23:39.680 wishes to
00:23:40.300 use a
00:23:40.900 firm hand
00:23:41.620 to send
00:23:42.460 a strong
00:23:42.900 signal and
00:23:43.540 discourage
00:23:44.180 further
00:23:44.580 criticism,
00:23:45.780 but I
00:23:46.220 repeat,
00:23:46.540 this is
00:23:46.800 just my
00:23:47.240 hypothesis.
00:23:48.740 Well,
00:23:49.020 Father,
00:23:49.520 let me just
00:23:50.400 say thank
00:23:50.880 you for
00:23:52.620 coming on
00:23:53.340 the program,
00:23:54.020 but more
00:23:54.780 importantly,
00:23:55.740 for your
00:23:57.440 willingness,
00:23:58.280 despite what
00:23:59.560 could come
00:24:00.060 to profess
00:24:02.180 the truth
00:24:02.600 of your
00:24:02.840 conscience,
00:24:03.500 to speak
00:24:04.540 for the
00:24:05.780 faithful who
00:24:06.660 are so
00:24:07.000 confused in
00:24:07.600 our day.
00:24:08.020 And I
00:24:08.200 would ask
00:24:08.580 Father,
00:24:08.960 before we
00:24:10.100 end off,
00:24:10.440 if you
00:24:10.720 could give
00:24:11.420 us your
00:24:11.760 blessing,
00:24:12.280 please.
00:24:12.480 In
00:24:12.780 nomine
00:24:13.020 Patris
00:24:13.620 et
00:24:13.880 Filii
00:24:14.460 et
00:24:14.660 Spiritus
00:24:15.340 Santi,
00:24:16.140 Amen.
00:24:18.600 Gloria
00:24:19.320 Patri
00:24:20.060 et
00:24:20.380 Filio
00:24:20.940 et
00:24:21.240 Spiritui
00:24:21.800 Santo,
00:24:23.160 Sicut
00:24:23.520 eratim
00:24:24.060 Dominus
00:24:30.460 Vobiscum
00:24:31.300 et
00:24:31.960 com
00:24:32.240 Spiritu
00:24:32.860 Tuo.
00:24:34.040 Benedicat
00:24:34.680 Vos
00:24:35.120 Onnipotens
00:24:35.880 Deus,
00:24:36.720 Pater
00:24:37.220 et
00:24:37.620 Filius
00:24:38.400 et
00:24:38.800 Spiritus
00:24:39.440 Santus.
00:24:41.040 Amen.
00:24:41.920 Amen.
00:24:42.860 Thank you
00:24:43.480 so much
00:24:43.760 Father,
00:24:44.140 and God
00:24:44.340 bless you.
00:24:45.240 Grazie
00:24:45.680 Padre
00:24:45.960 Grazie
00:24:46.660 anche 0.55
00:24:47.260 voi.
00:24:47.920 Thank
00:24:48.160 you.
00:24:48.860 Thank
00:24:49.380 you,
00:24:49.840 and God
00:24:50.460 bless
00:24:50.720 all of
00:24:51.140 you,
00:24:51.820 and we'll
00:24:52.300 see you
00:24:52.540 next time.
00:24:57.380 Aloha
00:24:57.860 everyone,
00:24:58.440 this is
00:24:58.660 Jason Jones
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