The John-Henry Westen Show

00:00:00.000 Welcome to this episode of the John Henry Weston show. This is a special episode dedicated to

00:00:25.900 talking about what's going on with the coronavirus also known as COVID-19. We have with us our very

00:00:32.340 special guest who is probably one of the world's foremost experts on this being a China scholar and

00:00:39.120 knowing all about what's been going on in China. Steve Mosher who's been with us many times

00:00:43.460 on different things about what what happens in China. He's the author of Bully of Asia as you

00:00:49.100 know and most of you know of him as the head of the Population Research Institute that has that

00:00:54.460 really brought forward the news on China's horrific one-child policy. Steve welcome to the

00:00:59.840 program. Good to be here John Henry thanks for having me on. And we'll begin as we always do

00:01:07.480 with the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

00:01:15.520 So Steve you have been following this now for weeks. I had you on the program a few weeks ago to already

00:01:21.480 talk about this issue and things have progressed very rapidly to this point. This morning we just

00:01:28.460 learned that Angela Merkel the chancellor in Germany has said that up to 70 percent of the country could

00:01:34.120 be affected. We're seeing in Italy reports of doctors really struggling to keep up with their

00:01:41.560 influx of patients in hospitals such that they've cancelled all their surgeries and other operations

00:01:47.240 and they're just treating patients now with coronavirus. Many of those cases coming in

00:01:52.260 positively identified as such. The White House has just had a high-level meeting which apparently they're

00:01:59.300 keeping confidential about it. And so what else is going on that you can tell us about the latest developments?

00:02:06.440 Well let's start by calling the Chinese coronavirus after its point of origin which is

00:02:13.720 China and by pointing out that the China coronavirus epidemic is entirely a creation of the Chinese

00:02:22.780 Communist Party. I think we all need to fix that in our minds as we go forward. And what I mean by that

00:02:28.600 is back in November of last year which is now what four or five months ago there were already cases of the

00:02:36.700 China coronavirus in the city of Wuhan. In December the Ministry of Health of the central government of

00:02:43.780 China sent down a delegation to investigate and do research on this new coronavirus. On January 1st and

00:02:53.640 2nd they shut down all the military installations in China. Again well before they told the world

00:02:59.480 they shut down all their military installations in and around the city of Wuhan and in the province

00:03:05.820 the wider province of Hubei. They didn't tell the Chinese people and they didn't tell the world

00:03:11.480 until weeks later. What does that tell you? Well first of all it tells you they wanted to protect the

00:03:17.600 people with the guns from getting sick because this is a communist party like all communist parties

00:03:24.360 that rely on force and the threat of force to stay in power. As Chairman Mao famously said

00:03:30.520 political power grows out of the barrel of a gun and they wanted to make sure that the guns were

00:03:36.220 available in China when the epidemic reached crises proportions. But go back to what I just said.

00:03:43.620 They didn't tell their own people for three weeks after they knew that well probably a month and a half

00:03:49.780 after they knew they had a serious problem. But three weeks after they locked down the military

00:03:54.940 institutions and didn't tell the world. But what happened during those three weeks in January?

00:04:00.480 Well you had the largest mass migration in the world taking place in China where 200 million Chinese

00:04:09.000 were going back to their native place throughout China. That's why China has a nationwide epidemic.

00:04:15.460 You also had, and this is important for talking about Italy and Germany and the United States

00:04:21.100 and everywhere else. You had a couple million Chinese traveling outside of China for the Chinese New

00:04:29.120 Year. Now let's talk about Italy for a minute. We know that Italy is in a serious situation with

00:04:35.060 regard to the China coronavirus. Why? Well reason number one is that Italy is dependent upon tourism

00:04:44.360 and did not cancel, shut down, suspend direct flights from China to Italy until it was far too late.

00:04:54.260 All right? The United States under Trump's leadership got ahead of the curve. Italy was way behind the

00:05:00.740 curve. Now Italy has about 60 million foreign visitors a year. Five or six million of those are from

00:05:06.960 China. The Chinese, in fact, make about 160 million trips overseas each year, generally to visit places like the

00:05:16.980 United States and Italy, I think is ranked number four, and Germany, and to buy things. A lot of those

00:05:25.220 Chinese tourists went where? They went to Milan, which is a shopper's paradise in normal times. Not now,

00:05:32.440 when the streets are empty, but normally that's where you go to shop for a high fashion, for perfume,

00:05:39.540 clothes, and everything else. So there were a lot of Chinese tourists coming in in January to Milan,

00:05:44.960 and that, of course, is where the Italian epidemic started. So you have the vector from China to Milan.

00:05:55.520 You have the government of Italy reacting far too late and far too slow. And that's why you have now

00:06:03.580 the entire country under quarantine. So this was entirely an avoidable epidemic in Italy if two

00:06:11.460 things had only happened in the right way. One would be that China had alerted the world back in

00:06:17.440 late November or early December when it knew it had a problem and let the world's leading virologists

00:06:23.880 come in and help develop a treatment and a vaccine. They didn't do that. They hid it, of course,

00:06:29.640 out of evil or incompetence. I'm not sure which, probably a combination of both. And the other

00:06:35.520 thing that happened in Italy was the Italian government, realizing how dependent they were

00:06:39.940 on tourism, didn't turn off the flow of Chinese tourists until the epidemic had already started

00:06:45.980 spreading throughout the Italian population. So that's why we see Italy and the world the way it is

00:06:52.720 now. Same thing happened in Iran. Lots of people coming in from China to buy Persian rugs and other

00:06:59.080 things that Iran makes. And we have an epidemic there as well, a serious one.

00:07:06.320 Okay. So you are expecting or not expecting a similar development in the United States?

00:07:13.800 I am right now my best, you know, my best guess about what's going to happen. I mean, we're all

00:07:22.340 we're all speculating here because we can have a serious flu season one year and we can have a fairly

00:07:29.160 light flu season the next year. This is a serious flu. But we stopped the number of travelers coming in

00:07:37.500 from China early. There were probably about before the before we stopped flights from China, there were

00:07:42.700 probably about 15,000 Chinese tourists and visitors and students who came from China over the course of those

00:07:51.460 few weeks in January before we had been alerted to the problem. Well, I'm surprised by a couple things. One is

00:07:58.140 that we haven't seen more cases in the United States. We should have by now because those people

00:08:05.520 who came in in January, if they had the China coronavirus and spread it in the community, we

00:08:11.080 should be seeing a lot more cases. We're not. So we may have been fortunate in that regard. The other

00:08:18.600 thing I think may be going on here is these viruses, of course, always mutate. They're changing

00:08:25.840 constantly. And the Chinese Chinese researchers in Shanghai have identified two strains of the

00:08:32.560 China coronavirus, one with one of which is highly well, the lethality of one of which is a lot greater

00:08:41.000 than the other one, which is benign. And most of the cases in the city of Wuhan have been the lethal

00:08:47.840 kind. It may be that we're very fortunate in that most of the cases here in North America are the less

00:08:55.080 lethal kind of more moderate kind of flu. Hmm. Okay. Okay. Okay. So there's actually two

00:09:02.640 strains of the virus, but both of which would identify positively as coronavirus, as the COVID-19.

00:09:09.000 And unless you do the DNA analysis, breaking down the RNA, right, by its nucleotides,

00:09:17.620 you wouldn't know the difference between the two with an ordinary test. The test would just come

00:09:22.360 back positive for coronavirus. And can I say about the testing, there have been a lot of complaints

00:09:27.520 about test kits and testing not being done. You don't test everybody for an influenza like this that

00:09:39.480 is spreading. You test people who have the symptoms. Other people who are asymptomatic don't need to be

00:09:46.440 tested unless they were in close confines, say on a cruise ship, for example, with people who had the

00:09:53.000 coronavirus, then you, then you would want to test more. But for the normal person walking down the

00:09:57.940 street, it would be a waste of time and money. Although I have to say that I was very, very pleased

00:10:04.380 at the meeting that took place in the White House yesterday with the heads of all the major health

00:10:10.660 insurance companies in the United States, saying that testing for the coronavirus, there will be

00:10:15.880 no copay. It'll be covered by the insurance company. And all coronavirus, China coronavirus,

00:10:22.100 people who are ill with that virus will be covered under all the medical insurance plans in the United

00:10:28.040 States. So President Trump was able to jawbone all of the medical insurance companies into providing

00:10:34.720 coverage for this, this new pathogen, which I thought was a great step forward and should

00:10:40.460 allay the fears of people who are worried about, well, maybe I shouldn't go in for testing because

00:10:45.140 it might cost me some money. No, it won't. There'll be no copay. And if I get sick, what do I do? Maybe

00:10:50.880 I shouldn't go to the hospital. No, you can go to the hospital. You've got public health hospitals in

00:10:55.940 the U.S. You've got, of course, in Canada, people have covered under the Canadian health insurance

00:11:02.380 program. On your OHIP and whatever, yeah. Right, right. Well, very interesting. What's going on in

00:11:08.860 Italy has seen this exponential increase in terms of their numbers, but also now the medical systems

00:11:17.060 are, at least it's looking like, collapsing. It's hard to know what information you're getting, but

00:11:22.640 Sky News was reporting this morning, a couple of doctors speaking out about the crushing numbers of

00:11:28.660 people coming in. They're unable to handle the numbers and therefore they're having actually to

00:11:33.420 say to some patients, sorry, basically, we're going to have to let you go. We don't have enough

00:11:38.640 respirators to go around. Therefore, they're looking at younger patients and ones that, you know, they

00:11:45.400 can do the surgeries on and the treatments on. And so there's really stark situations. What do you make of

00:11:52.820 that? Well, I'm afraid that our dear Italian brothers and sisters may have been exposed to the

00:12:01.940 more lethal strain of the China coronavirus. We don't know the answer to that question for sure,

00:12:07.360 but we do know that there were a lot of probably tourists who came over who started the community

00:12:15.260 spread of the disease. And you can overwhelm any health care system. I mean, the Chinese health care

00:12:20.940 system was obviously overwhelmed and doctors and nurses were so overworked, so stressed, and so

00:12:27.440 exposed to the China coronavirus multiple times that many of them have become ill. And there have

00:12:32.840 been a number of deaths, most famously the death of Dr. Li, Li Wenliang, who back in December tried to

00:12:40.700 warn his fellow doctors and nurses in a private chat room that they'd better start protecting themselves

00:12:46.760 against this new and dangerous pneumonia. And he was forthwithly arrested, held incommunicado for a

00:12:55.820 couple of days, forced to write a confession. They later released him, let him go back to work. He's

00:12:59.960 now dead. He's dead from overwork. But, and one of the, so one of the things that we know from China

00:13:08.420 is that if you don't deal with the initial wave of infections promptly by mobilizing the medical care

00:13:16.900 system, these things can get out of hand. They got out of hand in China, have caused many more deaths

00:13:22.500 than the Chinese government admits. I mean, I think it's reasonable to add at least a zero

00:13:30.060 to the 3,000 or so deaths that the Chinese Communist Party had admitted. Remember, every death makes them

00:13:36.360 look bad. And so their natural tendency is to undercount the number of deaths. And I'm afraid in Italy, they

00:13:44.260 didn't see this coming either. And now they're dealing with the consequences. We're, again, still ahead of the

00:13:51.720 curve. We've had to isolate a square mile in New Rochelle in New York State. But we haven't had to impose

00:14:01.260 those wider quarantines. I'm, I'm, I'm praying, and we should all be praying in this circumstance because

00:14:07.100 God can intervene in this universe that he created at any point in time he wants to. And there are some

00:14:15.060 wonderful novenas out there to the Blessed Mother asking her to protect us from, from plague and disease.

00:14:21.660 And so we should all be praying for the people in Italy, people in the United States, and the people of

00:14:26.120 the whole world that this, this, this particular Coronavirus of death will will pass us over. But

00:14:33.600 so far, you know, I think we can be, we can be cautiously optimistic in the United States that we

00:14:42.340 have slowed down the spread of the, the, the China Coronavirus enough, so that hopefully, two things

00:14:51.040 will happen. One is we will get into warm weather, and warm weather, and, and, and viruses do not do

00:14:58.420 well in warm weather. These tiny little packets of, of, of disease, don't last very long on surfaces,

00:15:07.440 they don't last very long in the air, when it's when it's warm, they do better in cooler weather. So,

00:15:13.060 you know, we were praying for an early spring, number one. Number two, we bought time. I mean,

00:15:19.340 we bought, uh, a month of time, uh, that, that, that Italy, you know, Italy would be doing much better

00:15:26.420 now if they had the extra month of time to prepare. And, and I saw the, I saw the, uh, the notice from

00:15:33.840 the, uh, Democrat chairwoman of the committee that, uh, Dr. Fauci was, uh, called away from because of

00:15:42.620 the meeting in the White House. Uh, and, and she, she immediately announced there's an urgent meeting in

00:15:47.740 the White House. Dr. Fauci is, is called away. Naturally, people draw from that the implication

00:15:53.400 that something disastrous just happened. I will tell you that all the meetings about the China

00:15:58.920 coronavirus in the White House now are urgent meetings. This is the focus of the Trump administration,

00:16:05.200 the effort headed by the vice president, who reports directly to the president, probably every

00:16:11.020 couple hours on the state of play. Every urge, every meeting he calls is an urgent meeting.

00:16:16.860 So, you know, we shouldn't read too much into, into headlines like this.

00:16:23.300 Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. What's going on? One of the things you mentioned is, is praying. Now you've

00:16:29.700 seen the move, uh, to all of Italy, shut down all masses, all public masses, uh, to lock all the

00:16:36.040 churches to, to, um, cancel this and that. It's been going on in Singapore. It's been going on,

00:16:41.500 obviously, all over China, but that they don't have freedom anyway there with regard to religion.

00:16:45.400 Um, the, the, it's exactly the opposite of what was done in the past with, with regard to, uh,

00:16:52.120 the, the plague and, and, and similar, uh, disasters. They're seen, they used to be seen as punishments

00:16:59.560 from God to remind us, to bring us back to himself and so on and so forth. Um, the Polish bishop

00:17:04.840 seemed to have reacted that way. They've called for a more masses to be said, uh, Bishop Strickland,

00:17:10.320 uh, down in Tyler, Texas has, has called for a procession through the streets. What's, what's

00:17:15.880 your take on that? Well, I think, I think that you pray, you pray in public and you pray in, in,

00:17:23.100 in communal fashion. You continue to celebrate the mass. Uh, if you want to do social distancing,

00:17:28.780 we sit a little further apart in the pews, but for goodness sake, now is not the time to,

00:17:34.180 to stop the masses, uh, to stop offering, uh, you know, the unbloody sacrifice of, of our Lord,

00:17:42.100 um, recapitulating his sacrifice on the cross for the remission of sins and for protection. I mean,

00:17:48.860 prayer is a petition now to God, uh, to, to, to, to stop, to slow down, uh, this epidemic. It would

00:17:58.260 seem to me to be called for, if you don't want to gather inside a building, have an open air mass,

00:18:02.920 have an open air mass, bring people together to pray. I know that, I know that Italians probably

00:18:08.500 including Italians who may not have been praying much in recent years are now praying in the privacy

00:18:14.860 of their homes, but, and, and we can do on the computer, you know, we can participate in mass

00:18:19.740 remotely now, but gathering together and praying, we should all be praying for, for a quick end to this.

00:18:25.040 Right, right. What, it's one of the amazing things that even though this is a great crisis,

00:18:32.360 uh, and, and why the church in its history looked upon these as a, a call from our Lord to come back

00:18:39.540 to him because it does that. Any kind of crisis like this, even war as, as horrible as they are

00:18:45.320 in disease, they actually call you back. How many times have we heard that, you know, someone's

00:18:49.920 contracted cancer and then that his life changed around and maybe he survived, maybe he didn't

00:18:54.780 survive, but at least he got back to our Lord. And the ultimate purpose in our being here is to

00:18:59.700 arrive in heaven. So there is, I think, amidst all of this, while I'm sure there's a lot of politicians

00:19:06.640 using this for political gain, there's an opportunity for Christians to evangelize now because people

00:19:13.000 are thinking more and more about the last things, about their, their, the, the, uh, you know, the

00:19:18.740 limit to their own lives and things like that. So it's also a time to evangelize.

00:19:23.020 And, and I know that some Catholics in China are going door to door, um, to talk to people,

00:19:30.800 sometimes social distancing, of course, sometimes maybe through the door, uh, but, uh, offering help,

00:19:37.640 offering prayer and continuing to evangelize. And, you know, it's often said there are no atheists

00:19:42.980 in foxholes. Well, we're not in a foxhole right now. We're not facing imminent death, but there

00:19:48.980 are people who are, and we should be, we should be praying for them, uh, for their souls, of course,

00:19:54.540 for the healing of their body, but most of all, for the healing of their soul, because, um, all of us

00:20:00.500 are eventually going to be accountable to God for our behavior. And now may be a time, should be a time

00:20:05.760 when we're talking about, um, evangelization, when the prospect of an epidemic has, has concentrated

00:20:12.300 the minds of people. Uh, and we're so distracted in this day and age, John Henry, we're distracted

00:20:17.460 by, by our electronic devices, which are so convenient in one way, and yet so, uh, distracting

00:20:24.600 and another preventing us from concentrating on the really important things. I mean, the four last

00:20:29.280 things, uh, haven't changed, have they? Uh, they haven't changed for, for 2000 years, death, judgment,

00:20:36.480 heaven, heaven, and hell. And, uh, while we pray that everyone be healed from the, from

00:20:41.760 the Chinese coronavirus, uh, we pray, I think, even more fervently that, that everyone find

00:20:47.260 God, uh, if they're facing, uh, a dangerous situation.

00:20:53.680 Absolutely. Now, one of the very interesting things that happened, uh, was your, one of your

00:20:59.160 original articles, uh, made it not only into the, uh, public sphere, it was published in the New York

00:21:05.240 Post, but onto the sort of, uh, governmental stage. It was bandied about by different politicians,

00:21:12.280 but then actually Facebook banned the article, uh, from Facebook. It's very interesting, this,

00:21:20.880 this control, as if it were fake news. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

00:21:24.440 Well, the article I wrote simply laid out the argument for the China coronavirus being a coronavirus

00:21:32.240 that was under investigation in China's number one, uh, bio lab, which just happens to be located in

00:21:41.960 the epicenter of the China epidemic in the city of Wuhan, where it all began. I laid out, I basically

00:21:49.460 followed the breadcrumbs from the fact that this only, the only level four lab in China where they

00:21:56.980 handle dangerous coronaviruses, like the China coronavirus is located in the city of Wuhan.

00:22:04.660 Uh, secondly, that, that, uh, that dangerous coronaviruses had been stolen, uh, by China

00:22:12.660 researchers from Canada's only level four lab located in Winnipeg. And, uh, last year, uh, a case,

00:22:22.320 which is still under investigation. And the researcher in question, who's accused of having

00:22:27.640 taken the dangerous coronaviruses from the level four lab in Canada to China, actually traveled to

00:22:33.940 Wuhan, apparently to deliver the coronaviruses there. Uh, number three, we know that China has a

00:22:41.540 bioweapons program in place. There are two bio labs that are reportedly working on engineering,

00:22:48.400 genetically engineering, dangerous viruses to make them more lethal. One of those labs is the

00:22:54.520 level four lab in, you guessed it, Wuhan. Uh, the initial outbreak was blamed on a seafood market,

00:23:02.680 which is located only a few hundred yards away from the Institute of Virology in the city of Wuhan.

00:23:11.040 Uh, so everything, if you connect the dots, everything seems to lead to the fact that

00:23:18.000 there were dangerous coronaviruses being, being examined, being bioengineered in this level four

00:23:24.460 lab, the Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China. It somehow escaped from the lab by one means or

00:23:30.800 another, maybe an infected lab worker, maybe an infected lab animal was sold on the, uh, on the black

00:23:37.160 market, which happens in China, but it escaped from the lab and it sparked an epidemic in Wuhan.

00:23:43.480 Now, I, I believe that that is actually a fairly credible explanation for why the Chinese Communist

00:23:51.240 Party wanted to hide the outbreak for two or three months, because if they're culpable, if this was

00:23:58.880 something that escaped from one of the labs for, from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, then they're

00:24:04.520 responsible for all of the deaths and illnesses in China. That's why they have been desperate to,

00:24:10.280 to say that no, it didn't come from the Institute of Virology. No, it came from, you know, some sort of

00:24:16.840 innocent animal, uh, human interspecies transfer, uh, of a, of a coronavirus. I, I think that's much less

00:24:25.080 likely. I think it's much more likely that the coronavirus were collected in the lab and then escaped from,

00:24:30.360 from the lab. And I will say this, and this is as, as an American, this is absolutely infuriating to me,

00:24:37.000 uh, to be quite frank. Uh, two weeks ago, the chief, uh, virology researcher in China, a gentleman named

00:24:45.480 Dr. Zhong, Zhong Nanshan, who headed the, the SARS, uh, epidemic control effort many years ago in China,

00:24:54.920 said, well, the epidemic began in Wuhan, but we're not sure where the coronavirus came from. And then,

00:25:04.840 and then we now get reports that the Chinese Communist Party is telling its 94 million party members that

00:25:11.400 the virus really came from the United States. And it was carried over to China in late October

00:25:18.040 by U.S. military athletes from the U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force who were participating in the,

00:25:25.400 in the military games, which is kind of an Olympics for the world's military. They sent over their best

00:25:32.120 athletes, which was held where in Wuhan, China from October 17th through the 20th. So they've said

00:25:38.920 basically that it's a U.S. bioweapon that was released in China by, by these U.S. Army athletes

00:25:47.960 who came over and spread it. Now, that's absolutely false, of course. Uh, we don't do that kind of thing.

00:25:56.520 Uh, but, but I think, I think it's kind of John Henry, a tacit admission that yeah, maybe it was,

00:26:03.960 maybe we were working on genetically tinkering with this thing and it accidentally got away.

00:26:08.440 After all, they now say it's a bioweapon. They just don't say it's theirs. They say it's ours.

00:26:15.320 Well, now where, where is this information going out? See, one of the advantages that you have,

00:26:19.960 Steve, is that you own, you know, these Chinese languages, you know, everybody else is, is sort

00:26:24.760 of in the dark about what's going on. You can follow it firsthand, which is why it's so incredible

00:26:28.920 to talk to you about these things. Not only have you been studying it, but you, you know,

00:26:32.600 the original languages, so you're able to follow it all. So where was this said?

00:26:36.760 Well, you know, I, I do read what's, what's leaked, leaks out of China. And, and in the early days of

00:26:43.800 the epidemic, we, we were getting a lot of information out of China. One of the things

00:26:48.600 I think that the Chinese government, uh, Chinese Communist Party did right at the outset, uh,

00:26:54.040 was move additional troops into Hubei province and the city of Wuhan to make sure there was not an

00:27:00.120 uprising by discontented citizens who were angry at the government for, uh, letting the epidemic get

00:27:06.680 out of control and perhaps starting it in the first place. Uh, the other thing they did though,

00:27:10.360 was they appointed, uh, 1,600 sensors who are constantly monitoring all electronic communications

00:27:17.880 coming out of that province and that city. So, so things have tightened up a lot. The great wall,

00:27:22.840 the great internet wall in China has been built, uh, tens of feet higher, uh, over the last few

00:27:29.480 weeks, but there are things that leak out. There are documents that, that we're able to see from

00:27:33.720 time to time and read. And, and, and, and this has come out, um, and people communicating with each

00:27:41.560 other. I mean, we know, for example, that there was a secret meeting of the standing committee of the

00:27:46.840 Politburo. These are the, the, the, the half a dozen guys headed by Xi Jinping, president for live

00:27:52.280 Xi Jinping, uh, who, who run the country. There was a secret meeting on January 7th, uh, to talk about

00:27:59.400 how to manage the, the China coronavirus epidemic. So it was already an epidemic. They didn't tell the

00:28:06.440 Chinese people for two weeks after that, but they knew they knew. And so again, incompetence and evil

00:28:12.760 mixed together in, in, uh, some strange proportion. People are dying. I mean, everybody, everybody who

00:28:19.320 gets sick from the China coronavirus and everybody who dies from the China coronavirus is a victim of

00:28:25.240 the Chinese communist party. This should never have happened. The first couple of cases of a strange

00:28:30.120 pneumonia, uh, should have been a, you know, five alarm fire and brought people from all over China

00:28:36.760 and the world to research it, to isolate those people, to prevent it from shredding. They didn't do

00:28:41.400 that. They let it percolate throughout the population. I can't say strongly enough how much

00:28:47.400 this is their responsibility. This is their epidemic. It's the China communist party's coronavirus.

00:28:56.360 Right now, if though they are using this, uh, if they're blaming this on the U S as if it's some

00:29:03.960 kind of bioweapon from the U S that could actually whip up their people to, to, to want to retaliate

00:29:10.840 against the U S are they, are they, you know, uh, is anything like that even possible? I mean,

00:29:16.920 this is a, this is obviously a people that is not concerned about, uh, safety first and foremost,

00:29:23.240 and, and believes as you've written in your book, bully of Asia themselves to be the absolute pinnacle

00:29:28.840 of humanity. Um, and, and, and the rest of the world like rubbish. So, um, you know, is there any

00:29:35.640 possibilities that way? Cause this is a very serious thing that they would allege this to their own

00:29:39.880 people. We haven't seen that alleged in a public fashion anywhere. No. And they won't say it

00:29:44.920 publicly because it's laughable, but this is how internal party propaganda works. Uh, they want to

00:29:51.800 keep the, the 94 million members of the Chinese communist party in line, uh, first and foremost.

00:29:57.560 And, and, and the larger issue of course, is to keep the 1.3 billion Chinese in line, uh, marching in

00:30:04.120 lockstep to the party's, uh, latest line. So, but, but this is classic. I mean, uh, the Chinese

00:30:10.600 communist party is, is, is expert at brainwashing. Um, actually the, the CCP invented brainwashing

00:30:19.000 in the 1930s, the Chinese communist party invented brainwashing in the 1930s. The original Chinese phrase

00:30:25.560 is she now, which means wash brain. And that's what we transliterated into brainwashing. And they

00:30:32.600 would in the 1930s, uh, people who questioned, uh, the party line were locked up and subjecting to

00:30:39.560 subjected to morning to night study sessions, uh, brainwashing, uh, until they agreed that,

00:30:46.440 Hey, if you're, if you're holding up, uh, four fingers and you want me to say three,

00:30:51.720 I'll say three, I'll say whatever you want in China. If you talk to people about brainwashing,

00:30:56.840 they will say, uh, the best translation of the Chinese phrase would be, uh, they mess with you

00:31:02.840 until you don't have any opinions about anything. They mess with you until you don't have any opinions

00:31:09.080 about anything. In other words, they, they continue to mess with your mind until you're willing to

00:31:13.720 recite, uh, any party propaganda that they demand of you. If they want you to say, uh, the sun rises in

00:31:20.920 the west and sets in the east or the sky is purple or, you know, um, the China coronavirus actually

00:31:28.680 should be called the American coronavirus. Uh, you'll do it because the consequences of failing

00:31:33.240 to do that are simply too, uh, too damaging. Yeah. Yeah. Unbelievable. There was another

00:31:41.080 really, uh, a fascinating aspect of what you've talked about. Um, what you mentioned how, uh, Chinese

00:31:48.200 researchers have already published in a magazine, some ability to have already altered a coronavirus.

00:31:57.400 There, there, there's some research that has come out of, uh, uh, uh, Nankai university outside of

00:32:02.440 Shanghai, which indicates that, that there are some interesting, uh, what are called insertions

00:32:09.160 in the RNA of the China coronavirus? Uh, a mutation would change, uh, a single part of, of the DNA,

00:32:20.920 uh, the RNA complement. I mean, imagine, uh, pearls, uh, a string of pearls, right? A general mutation

00:32:27.800 would change one of the pearls from, from white to, to, to blue or something. Uh, when you talk about

00:32:33.720 insertion, you're not talking about changing just one of the pearls. You're talking about changing a whole

00:32:38.200 segment of pearls, which in, in the natural, uh, by accident would almost never happen. So I think

00:32:45.960 we're going to, we're going to find out a lot more about this in the weeks to come. Most of our, uh,

00:32:50.760 virologists now are more interested in, in, in, in finding treatments quite rightly interested in

00:32:57.320 finding treatments and, uh, and a vaccine, uh, for the China coronavirus than investigating

00:33:04.600 more precisely its origins. But I, I kind of suspect we're going to find out some very interesting

00:33:09.000 things in the, uh, in the months to come once we, once we deal with the, the immediate, the immediate

00:33:14.680 crises. Right. Absolutely. Um, any more thoughts from you, Steve, about, uh, the China coronavirus,

00:33:23.800 what we should be doing, what the governments around the world should be doing at this point,

00:33:29.800 because it's, it's obviously not only, uh, affecting, uh, Italy and Iran, uh, and, and, uh,

00:33:35.880 countries all around China, but it's, it's in America as well, but it's elsewhere. Europe is

00:33:40.760 suffering greatly. We've heard that France and, and Germany are, are actually, uh, having huge numbers.

00:33:46.120 It was unknown. Uh, what do you make by the way of that, uh, as well that the Angela Merkel saying,

00:33:52.440 uh, uh, up to 70% could be infected? It is a big tourist destination, uh, for Chinese tourists as

00:34:00.520 well. Uh, like Italy, uh, like the United States, but, uh, like Italy, Germany did not put travel

00:34:08.280 restrictions on people from China until, um, many, many, uh, tourists had arrived. So, so, uh, but they

00:34:17.640 have, um, well, they're Germans, of course, they're fairly well organized. And because of what's

00:34:22.600 happened in Italy, uh, they're becoming more, uh, more organized by the day. Uh, the hospitals in

00:34:28.920 Italy, uh, in Northern Italy, especially have been, uh, converted into, uh, China coronavirus treatment

00:34:37.000 centers. Um, you know, God help those who need, um, kidney dialysis or electric, elective surgeries

00:34:44.680 have all been postponed, but even other procedures that, you know, can't be postponed are now being

00:34:50.520 put back, uh, in the schedule because all the medical resources being poured into dealing

00:34:56.120 with the, with the epidemic. Uh, uh, I think that a lot of people are eventually going to get,

00:35:02.760 uh, the China coronavirus. Uh, I think by the time they do in the United States and in Canada,

00:35:09.880 we'll have fairly effective treatment regimens for those who get very ill.

00:35:13.640 And the good news is that there is good news, uh, surprisingly enough. The good news seems to be

00:35:20.200 that while the, the elderly are susceptible to getting seriously ill from the China coronavirus,

00:35:27.480 um, infants and, and children, uh, almost seem almost never to get it. If they do get it,

00:35:33.560 they get a very light case. Young adults seem to get a light case, very rarely a severe case. So,

00:35:39.960 um, so unlike the ordinary seasonal flu, which, which attacks both the very elderly and the very

00:35:46.920 young, the young somehow seem to, uh, be doing better, um, this time around. And, you know,

00:35:54.040 they're, they're, uh, they're our future and, and, uh, we should, we should, uh, at least,

00:36:00.440 uh, celebrate that fact. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, Steve Mosher, great being with you on this

00:36:09.880 episode of the John Henry Reston Show. We'll come back to you for more details, I'm sure,

00:36:14.120 as, uh, as we learn more and more about the coronavirus. And thank you for all that you're

00:36:19.160 doing with this. You're informing much of the world on this. Um, and, uh, it's been, uh, as always for me,

00:36:24.920 a great grace to speak with you. Good to talk to you, John Henry. God bless. God bless you. Bye-bye.

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China expert： Chinese regime falsely telling Communist party members coronavirus is U.S. bioweapon

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