The John-Henry Westen Show - July 07, 2021


'Communist policies'： Canadian lawmaker calls out COVID shutdowns, media 'propaganda'


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MPP Randy Hillier has been a voice for the voiceless and voiceless. He has been one of the few politicians willing to speak out against the insane lockdowns across the province, and now he is paying the price for it.

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00:00:00.000 Canada has gone absolutely crazy, locking down the province when there's absolutely no justification, especially in Ontario, where this has been brought to an extreme, with our Premier Doug Ford boasting that we have the most extensive lockdowns in all of North America.
00:00:17.400 When, by the way, his motto on his election was open for business. Unbelievable. Well, we have with us today one of the most outspoken MPPs, that Member of Provincial Parliament in Ontario, who has been everywhere to protest this absolute, unbelievable restriction on freedom in Canada and especially in Ontario. He's paid the price for it as well. We're going to be speaking with MPP Randy Hillier. Stay tuned.
00:00:47.400 Let's begin, as we always do, at the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
00:01:11.340 Randy Hillier, thanks for being with us on the program.
00:01:14.040 It is my pleasure to be with you here today.
00:01:16.480 It is a, it's a privilege for me to talk to you because you're, you're actually one of the Canadian heroes, one of the very few politicians that are willing to stand publicly and defy the absolute insanity that's going on in Canada and in Ontario specifically.
00:01:32.400 And you called it so early. I remember it was a year ago now that you were already talking about this in May, I believe it was, of 2020, saying we need to end the lockdowns.
00:01:46.120 Bring us back in history, if you would, to the beginning of all this for you. And we'll start from there.
00:01:52.360 Like everyone else, the uncertainty, the doubt, and the unknowns that were being propagated early in COVID and with the declaration of emergency on March 17th.
00:02:07.320 I think everybody was quite willing to cut some slack to government because of the great uncertainty.
00:02:14.320 However, it didn't take long for the evidence to be revealed that demonstrated that this apocalypse that was being promoted was false.
00:02:32.140 For myself, it was by the middle of April that it was clear that the evidence was showing that this was similar to a regular flu season.
00:02:44.440 However, with some nuances, however, with some nuances, that it was being far more harmful to the elderly and people who were in frail and sick conditions.
00:02:59.000 But the evidence was showing that it was not the projections and the speculations and the models of here in Canada, it was 350,000 people would die from COVID.
00:03:14.440 Of course, that is a greater than 10-fold error.
00:03:19.400 And that evidence was pretty clear to me by the middle of April.
00:03:24.040 And I started speaking out by the end of April, encouraging the government to stop the state of emergency and to start looking at the evidence more so than the modeling.
00:03:40.840 You know, I also saw that the state of emergency was contributing to and inciting and inflaming the terror and the fear and the panic within people.
00:03:57.580 And if anybody knows anything about what the responsibilities of government are, and that is to lessen the fear within society and do whatever you can to provide rational, reasonable evaluations of the risk.
00:04:23.940 But not ever should we encourage people to live in fear.
00:04:31.300 And that's exactly what all of our institutions were doing.
00:04:38.980 Our media were propagating fear.
00:04:42.480 Our public health authorities were inflaming people's terror.
00:04:48.900 And so was their governments.
00:04:51.940 And I called on them to end the state of emergency because, in my view, there was no longer an emergency.
00:05:02.660 No longer did we have to rely on computer models.
00:05:08.500 We actually had evidence.
00:05:10.020 And the evidence was growing even in April that the lockdowns were contributing significantly to the deaths in long-term care.
00:05:24.320 That putting vulnerable, sick, frail people into a heightened state of terror using isolation and confinement was leading to even premature death in the long-term care homes where we have seen the greatest number of fatalities.
00:05:48.320 So I thought it was, and I guess the other thing I should say, like it was never in my life had I ever heard from so many constituents.
00:06:02.320 It was all day long, every day, people calling me, explaining to me the harm and the injuries and the inability to get needed medical attention and the fear and the actual losing of their jobs and their businesses, their homes.
00:06:25.540 It was having a hugely detrimental and far more injurious outcome in our society than what COVID was.
00:06:38.460 So I thought it was an obligation to speak out about what was obvious to me, but was also clearly too dangerous a subject for any politicians or media to actually speak truthfully and honestly about.
00:07:04.520 Well, here's something really interesting.
00:07:06.400 Take us inside Parliament, if you will.
00:07:08.460 How can this be going on?
00:07:10.160 The medical experts are telling us that the lockdowns are deadly.
00:07:14.000 They obviously, we're still allowing people into liquor stores, into grocery stores being closed together.
00:07:22.780 They let people onto public transit to sit next to each other.
00:07:27.840 But in churches, no, they lock them all down.
00:07:31.840 That's much too dangerous.
00:07:33.140 The inequality of it was just so gross.
00:07:36.400 We could see that as journalists.
00:07:38.440 Journalists always, when there's a massive inequality that doesn't make any sense, journalists all go, eh, something's wrong there.
00:07:45.100 But politicians who are supposed to give sober second thought to things like that and see the evidence, take us inside Parliament.
00:07:53.240 What is happening inside the Ontario Parliament and why are people just not getting it?
00:07:58.080 That's a bit of a myth to think that politicians provide sober second thought.
00:08:04.560 It may be something that we would like to see happen, but that's not the truth and it's not the reality.
00:08:11.780 You know, I spent 12 years within the caucus of the Progressive Conservative Party.
00:08:18.780 And we had a great multitude of various policy matters and subjects to discuss.
00:08:28.740 And I can tell you and I can tell you and your audience and everyone that in a political caucus, you only view a policy or an issue through a singular lens.
00:08:46.520 And that lens is your re-election.
00:08:48.940 It is not, when we had discussions about budgets or the great many number of social issues as well, it's always viewed singularly through how will this impact, how will it improve or lessen the re-election of the party?
00:09:14.760 And that's just the way it is.
00:09:20.540 They may be sober, but there's not much second thought in politics.
00:09:26.740 And so that's, and I think they lost the Ontario government and all Western governments.
00:09:37.100 You know, all political parties operate on that assumption and on that premise.
00:09:44.760 Of being re-elected is the most important consideration.
00:09:49.940 So let's not be surprised that once they incited and inflamed the panic and the fear within society, they quickly lost grasp of what they could do.
00:10:08.980 And that's what happened clearly in Ontario.
00:10:11.100 I remember speaking with a number of the staff in the Progressive Conservative Party, the first week of April, when the legislature returned for the first time after the state of emergency.
00:10:28.100 And they all knew, and they all knew, and we had lengthy discussions, they all knew that they had misplayed their hand.
00:10:38.540 They all knew that it was not the danger that they thought it might be.
00:10:46.880 But they also had no way of communicating the error without them thinking that it would impair their re-election.
00:10:59.040 So they had to keep lying.
00:11:02.340 And that's what we've been doing.
00:11:05.000 We've, they knew they were wrong, the Ontario government, by the end of April.
00:11:12.520 And, and I said, you know, they asked me, how do we get out of this, Randy?
00:11:19.520 And I said, you have to be truthful to people.
00:11:23.600 And I said, you know, people will be forgiving if you're truthful to what has happened.
00:11:32.900 And, and, and, and it was said directly to me, well, we can't do that.
00:11:40.840 We can't do that.
00:11:42.740 You know, our, our re-election will be in jeopardy.
00:11:46.300 And so it's been stumbling and, and, and being dishonest for at least 15 months in the Western world.
00:11:59.820 And I think there's a lot of other, a lot of other factors that can, that have gone into that, but that's at the crux of it.
00:12:08.700 And that's why we've seen all Western liberal democracies really get trapped into that, that singular lie that now has become an endless lie.
00:12:24.120 Are you able to reveal who it was that, that said this to you?
00:12:27.500 I mean, those are, that's hugely letting the cat out of the bag.
00:12:31.780 Um, it, it, it would be, you know, one of the shining examples of, uh, the basically misleading the people, um, with the evidence for it.
00:12:42.400 People provide information to me, um, in confidence, and I'm not going to betray that confidence.
00:12:50.900 They know who they are.
00:12:52.340 Uh, they know at the end of the day, they will be judged on their actions.
00:12:59.740 Um, you know, but I, I had plenty of conversations with many cabinet ministers and former caucus members who knew what they were doing was wrong.
00:13:12.200 Um, and I remember stating categorically, clearly to one of them, I said, how can you be, how can you be putting your children's future in jeopardy for your reelection?
00:13:27.120 You know, you know, is your reelection more important than the future of your children and your grandchildren?
00:13:36.500 And, and I think that is reflective as a, of our society as a whole these days, you know, we see many, many people, doctors, police officers, nurses, academics.
00:13:50.380 They, and thankfully, and God bless those, all those ones who have spoken out, but I've spoken with thousands who have understood this to be a falsehood and a lie for a long time.
00:14:08.060 Um, but they have not found the fortitude and convictions to, to speak publicly about this.
00:14:17.980 Um, and, you know, because their paycheck may be in jeopardy.
00:14:23.120 And I think this speaks, it speaks volumes to the society that we've created over the last 40 or 50 years, where the value of your paycheck is more important than the value of your family and your family's future.
00:14:43.860 Um, and that's, that, that, that, that could be a hard, that, that is a harsh statement.
00:14:48.980 Um, and, and I don't think many people in our country want to confront what I would say is a fundamental truth.
00:14:59.020 Now, um, our, our paychecks are the most important thing in our lives.
00:15:07.580 And, um, and I, I cut from a little bit of a different cloth, I guess.
00:15:14.780 And there is nothing more important to me than my family.
00:15:20.680 There is no paycheck that could ever supplant or be predominant over my children and my grandchildren.
00:15:36.360 And, you know, but that's where we're at.
00:15:40.720 And this is not unique to Canada.
00:15:42.980 It's not unique to Ontario.
00:15:45.840 This is a reflection of the erosion of our society over so many decades.
00:15:55.800 It's finally has caught up to us.
00:15:58.000 You've actually put your money where your mouth is, so to speak, because not only are you, you were booted from the party as well, but that was before this.
00:16:06.980 But you've actually been fined and are facing massive fines for having gone to some of these anti-lockdown protests and engaging in the political activities that you have.
00:16:19.060 Do you even know how much you're fined at this point?
00:16:21.540 I haven't been fined anything.
00:16:22.740 I haven't been convicted of anything yet.
00:16:24.640 Sorry.
00:16:25.020 I thought you were experiencing fines.
00:16:27.720 That's fine.
00:16:28.200 That's fine.
00:16:28.580 Well, the maximum penalties, if I'm found guilty, last I checked, was about two and a half million dollars in potential fines and about 25 years in jail.
00:16:41.560 If the maximum.
00:16:43.800 So, but there is no country.
00:16:46.960 There is no Canada.
00:16:48.380 There is no family.
00:16:49.420 There is no individual.
00:16:50.580 If, if you can be fined and incarcerated for being with loved ones, being with friends, for having an opinion and speaking out.
00:17:06.520 Like, that is not, that is not Canada.
00:17:10.880 That is not the Canada I grew up in.
00:17:13.520 And, you know, I'm willing to stand up and fight for my grandchildren's future.
00:17:23.080 And these things are very real.
00:17:24.280 We, we already saw Maxime Bernier arrested.
00:17:27.160 What were your thoughts at seeing that?
00:17:29.980 Well, there's been so, so many abuses.
00:17:33.440 Like, we have to understand, nobody, no government in this country is upholding the rule of law.
00:17:44.680 Not one.
00:17:45.660 I thought we crossed a Rubicon that I would have never expected in this country when we seized a church. 0.89
00:17:55.580 When the government seized Pastor James Colt's church.
00:18:01.640 I thought, like, that, that was just never conceivable.
00:18:07.800 And, and to see a pastor incarcerated, I thought was never, never possible.
00:18:17.300 Like, these would be preposterous undertakings in a free and civil society.
00:18:27.980 Um, but, but, but there had happened.
00:18:31.440 Um, but I also never thought it was possible that, that we would try, that we would adopt communist policies for a virus.
00:18:45.020 Um, and I never thought it was possible that our public health would, would prevent treatments, um, that were known and effective.
00:18:58.480 Um, but we prevented effective treatments for people who had contracted the virus.
00:19:06.560 Um, you know, I never thought it possible that we would isolate and confine people and tell them that it's unhealthy to go outside and to get fresh air and to get exercise and, uh, and to eat healthy.
00:19:22.980 But that, that, that you're safer if you are confined within quarters by yourself, um, um, without fresh air, without sunshine, without exercise.
00:19:38.340 Like, like, like, like, like, like these, these are rudimentary, these are elementary, these are things that we all learned as little children.
00:19:49.560 And we have learned through millennia of, of, of experience and observation that, um, you know, we have immune systems.
00:20:01.940 We, we, we have a respiratory viruses in every year, um, and we know how to deal with them, but instead we accepted and adopted communism as a cure for a respiratory virus.
00:20:20.920 And, and, and, and we're continuing to propagate lies, we're continuing to not reveal what the evidence has demonstrated.
00:20:35.860 You know, every one of these apocalyptic, uh, properties of COVID have largely been debunked, uh, through peer reviewed clinical trials.
00:20:49.260 See, the, the, there's an overwhelming level of evidence that the lockdowns have caused more death, more injury, more harm than the virus.
00:21:00.780 The evidence is clear that the mass mandatory mass have not prevented the spread of the virus.
00:21:08.520 Even the CDC, even the CDC, a couple of weeks ago, came out and said, there is not a single documented case of the, of transmission of COVID outdoors.
00:21:22.620 But we prevented here in Ontario, you couldn't have more than five people meeting together outdoors, even though there has never been a singular documented case of outdoor transmission.
00:21:38.520 And, you know, and we could go on, we, like the hypocrisy, the contradictions and the lies are endless.
00:21:47.480 One of the most sinister ones that, that really does seem to speak to a kind of nefarious plan or, or decision behind the scenes is, uh, what you spoke of earlier, you mentioned in that list you gave there, the forbidding of known treatments.
00:22:05.660 It's unreal that they basically stopped people from getting ivermectin and HCQ, which are known to work.
00:22:15.620 We had doctors from around the globe saying, you got to do this.
00:22:19.560 It's worked for me just so many times and, and, and whole country's doing it successfully.
00:22:25.820 And yet somewhere the decision is made politically that, no, this can't be done.
00:22:31.900 And I don't care if they got it from who or wherever they got this information from to do this.
00:22:36.880 And a lot of people would have known they're killing people.
00:22:40.680 How, how could we even go down that road where we knowingly allow people to die?
00:22:47.160 Well, again, that speaks to the sickness of our society.
00:22:51.080 When people say to themselves that my paycheck is more important than being truthful, my paycheck
00:23:02.560 and my career is more important than saving lives.
00:23:09.040 You know, this is a tough, these are tough statements to, to say to ourselves, but we have to, and we're still not yet willing to accept that we are all culpable in this tragedy that has happened.
00:23:32.080 And, um, all of us, myself included, um, we, we, as a society have to say, we made errors and, um, and our actions led to the premature death of many that was, was avoidable.
00:23:52.280 You know, I've used a term that the term that I've used to describe this is social murder.
00:23:59.800 However, we willingly, knowingly traded lives, right?
00:24:06.420 We, we said, we will, we will allow people who to die, who, because we will not give them medical treatments.
00:24:17.420 We will not do cancer screenings.
00:24:19.220 We will not do organ transplants.
00:24:21.840 We, uh, we know that people will die because of the social isolation and, and the increase in suicide.
00:24:29.800 And domestic assaults and, um, and, and, and I think this speaks to the, the nihilism that is so prevalent in today's society that, you know, the saving of myself is the only thing that is important.
00:24:52.280 And regardless of how many other deaths it results in one of the great, uh, awakenings for me during this was,
00:25:04.300 as I saw society changing so quickly in April, um, and May, where never before had I seen so many people calling my constituency office and saying,
00:25:21.200 I just saw three little girls walking down the street together and they weren't socially distanced and they shouldn't be doing this.
00:25:31.300 Randy Hilliard as MPP, you should phone the police, um, on these three girls, or I saw a business with their door open. 0.95
00:25:42.580 Randy Hilliard, Randy Hilliard, you call the police.
00:25:45.580 And, and we quickly moved from the commandment and the understanding of love thy neighbor to let snitch and rat on thy neighbor.
00:26:01.880 And, and, and that is the way to be virtuous.
00:26:05.800 And, you know, I saw the, the great animosity, uh, and vitriol, um, coming out through, through the incitement of fear within society.
00:26:19.280 You know, I've likened this to, um, you know, when a herd of animals are in a stampede, none of the herd of animals, whether it be buffalo or cows or lemmings, um, actually know what they're fearful of.
00:26:39.740 But they're, they're running panicked, um, and, and often with tragic consequences.
00:26:49.420 And that's how I see, um, we were panicked.
00:26:53.900 And this is interesting.
00:26:55.200 It's Western liberal democracies that have been put into a stampede, not communist China, not North Korea.
00:27:04.640 Um, you know, it's Western liberal democracies that have been put into the stampede, generally speaking, and we don't know how to stop the stampede.
00:27:16.680 Um, and we're looking for, we're going to run into the cliff or over the cliff.
00:27:23.100 If we don't begin to think rationally, we need to find the strength and the fortitude to speak honestly.
00:27:32.660 Um, you know, like we have a mob mentality that has, um, and we've accepted and adopted this, this horrendous cancel culture that has put so many people in a state of being fearful to speak truthfully.
00:27:53.660 So, so that's number one, we need to be vocal.
00:27:58.440 We need to be visible.
00:28:01.000 We need to be public in our opposition.
00:28:05.140 And I'm doing that through the nomorelockdowns.ca where we're providing lawn signs to people to help them find a way to express themselves.
00:28:19.900 And we've also got local action groups, which are delivering flyers, our facts versus fears flyers.
00:28:28.600 For those who are asleep, we need to awaken them.
00:28:32.860 For those who are fearful, we need to encourage them.
00:28:38.800 And, and it's only through the vocal and public opposition can we end this tragic path and stop us from continuing on this dark and dangerous path that we've embraced.
00:28:58.300 Randy, I wanted to say a quick thank you from Canadians generally, but, but, uh, especially for those of us who, uh, you know, are really looking for some leadership that's going to speak out, uh, for truth.
00:29:11.760 Um, so thank you for that.
00:29:13.540 And any, any parting words?
00:29:15.420 I want to thank you for allowing me to have this conversation with you.
00:29:19.620 We have to understand the gravity of the situation that, uh, that we're on, you know, and we need to throw away the rose colored glasses.
00:29:32.060 You know, a two week lockdown is now 16 months.
00:29:38.200 Anybody who believes that, um, that this is temporary, I would say to them, look back, look back through your life in Canada and look at how we have destroyed.
00:29:59.320 We've ridiculed and scorned those of faith in our country. 0.99
00:30:05.340 We, we have attacked and eroded our families.
00:30:14.020 We have relentlessly diminished our individual freedoms.
00:30:20.700 We have purposely and continuously, um, transposed personal responsibility onto state responsibility.
00:30:32.280 We, we look at what we've done in our education system and continue to do.
00:30:37.960 And, and I would say to everyone, we ought not to be surprised that what has happened has happened.
00:30:49.380 And in the longer term, uh, if we can get out of this mess that we're in today, in the longer term, we need to reflect on all those subjects and say,
00:31:06.900 it is time for us to restore our faith, restore our freedoms, restore our responsibilities, and be ever vigilant, never to be so casual and dismissive in giving them up again.
00:31:26.280 Amen.
00:31:26.580 Randy Hiller, thank you for being with us on the program.
00:31:28.680 Thank you.
00:31:29.320 You have a lovely day and it's been a pleasure.
00:31:31.740 God bless you and God bless you all.
00:31:34.060 We'll see you next time.
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