The John-Henry Westen Show - CRISIS in Canada： Christians Must WAKE UP!

00:00:00.000 These leaders will say, those aren't Canadian values. Well, those aren't yet. No, I'm talking

00:00:05.020 about Christ values. I'm talking about biblical values. Hello, my friends. You know, it gives me

00:00:13.200 great joy to introduce you to our next guest. Jeff Gunnarsson is the leader of Campaign Life

00:00:18.680 Coalition. He's been a friend for many, many years. He saw LifeSite right from its very,

00:00:24.460 very beginnings. And he's a man of great faith. He's also a man who's been involved in politics

00:00:30.700 for decades and decades. No better man to talk about what is happening in Canada with the election

00:00:37.940 coming up on April 28th, with understanding what Trump's, you know, 51st state comments are doing

00:00:46.420 and how that's all playing out. You're going to learn about the leaders, Mark Carney,

00:00:53.460 Pierre Polyev, whatever else there is. And you're going to hear some fascinating understanding

00:00:59.940 about Canada, where it stands on the world stage and what Canada really needs to do to come back to

00:01:07.360 sanity. Stay tuned for this episode of John Henry Wesson Show with Jeff Gunnarsson. Jeff,

00:01:12.820 so good to be with you. Thank you. Very, very nice to be here, John Henry.

00:01:15.900 Let's begin as you always do with the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father and of the Son

00:01:20.080 and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Okay, so Jeff, the first thing I wanted to ask you about,

00:01:25.940 because I mean, this is on everyone's mind. So Trump made the 51st state comment. You know,

00:01:32.100 at the first time he said governor could be Trudeau and we were all like freaking out.

00:01:36.160 That was a bad idea. But even after that, we thought, oh, it's just a joke. Then it seemed to be

00:01:42.260 not so much of a joke. Carolyn Levitt saying from her little dais there that, you know,

00:01:48.040 they will be our 51st state during the hockey game they lost, which was great. But we had

00:01:55.480 then this stuff become serious and then get taken into the political sphere in Canada,

00:02:02.700 the liberals using it. It's being used all over the place now. What's happening right now in the

00:02:07.480 Canadian scene? How is this playing out? Well, you gave it a good outline there. I,

00:02:11.880 you know, a lot of people are confused and you're right. We did. I certainly thought it was a joke

00:02:16.540 that he was just being provocative. And to a degree, I still believe that. I don't, you know,

00:02:21.640 I don't think there's any way that he could do that or that we would be willing to become the 51st

00:02:26.360 state. And it's not because we hate or dislike Trump. It's because we actually, believe it or not,

00:02:32.700 do have a Canadian loyalty, a sense of identity and purpose here, despite all the really, really

00:02:42.340 ugly, bad political scene that we have here. It sort of allows those people, especially now,

00:02:48.960 let me talk especially about Christian Catholic Canadians. It gives those people who didn't like

00:02:58.160 Trump in the first place, who still consider themselves pro-life, but don't like Trump,

00:03:04.060 hate Trump. And it gives him more fodder to say, oh, now he wants to annex Canada. So now we hate him

00:03:12.280 more. And he's supporting Mark Carney. Now, the irony is, is that a lot of those people that hate Trump

00:03:19.540 would likely vote for Carney because he, again, I'm talking about this group of Catholics and

00:03:26.440 Christians and pro-lifers that, you know, there's not, there's not, they certainly don't make up the

00:03:33.360 majority, but there's a good significant number of them that would prefer to vote liberal, mostly

00:03:38.420 because it was the church's sort of go-to or default party dating back, you know, a hundred years.

00:03:46.520 And, um, that's, that's since changed and a lot of people haven't noticed. And so they still vote

00:03:52.200 liberal because their grandfather came over, uh, uh, under a liberal regime and, you know, they are

00:03:58.020 forever thankful. But, uh, anyway, it's really hilarious to, uh, kind of watch the, um, the argument,

00:04:08.200 uh, they're, they're, they're quite confused because they thought that, oh, Carney's our man,

00:04:13.180 but now Trump supports him. What, what's going on? We can't, that can't be right. We, we, there must

00:04:17.960 be, what are we going to do now? They don't like politics because they thought he was like Trump.

00:04:22.040 He was Canada's Trump. So they're pulling their hair out. What are they going to do? Vote for a

00:04:25.660 Jagmeet Singh or, uh, some other, uh, the green party or something. So it's quite hilarious to watch

00:04:31.120 that and to see the comments that come to Campaign Life Coalition. We, we get emails, uh, you know,

00:04:36.700 not many, but they're, they're quite fun to read, uh, the confusion that these people have over,

00:04:44.260 listen, uh, Donald Trump, you know, in a way, all his policies, all, all this sort of make America

00:04:52.380 great again and, and closing in, uh, you know, closing the borders, if you will, withdrawing,

00:04:57.900 uh, UN funds, uh, repatriating all of their, uh, by, you know, wherever they buy things, import,

00:05:05.880 like cutting off imports or at least putting high tariffs on them in a way there, there,

00:05:10.880 you, you know, that, that, I don't know what you think about the principle of, uh, subsidiarity,

00:05:14.960 but he's kind of doing a, uh, economic, if you will, or, uh, uh, uh, yeah, like an economic

00:05:20.280 subsidiarity. So he's buy local, bring control back to domestic local industries, and we can

00:05:27.260 have, uh, sort of, you know, uh, sustainability and control over our own economy that way. We're

00:05:35.580 no longer reliant on, on the global economy. And to be honest, that's, that's a Catholic

00:05:40.480 principle and that's, that's not a bad, a bad deal. So we could look at many of his policies

00:05:47.000 in that regard in our own Canadian government and, um, uh, possibly learn and benefit from

00:05:55.100 such policies.

00:05:56.740 Indeed. One of the things he's done, which would be stunning, would be to, uh, invite all

00:06:01.320 sorts of Catholics, uh, into his administration. Um, uh, our, our political right seems to be

00:06:07.840 going in the exact opposite direction. Very sadly, one of the things that was the most

00:06:13.220 depressing to me is, uh, one of the politicians who I regard as a friend, uh, Catholic, a great

00:06:20.560 Catholic, um, uh, was just barred from running by Pierre Polyev. That, that sort of, uh, Pierre

00:06:29.540 Lemieux, great family man, I think like six, seven kids, beautiful Catholic, and just barred

00:06:36.220 from running. What is that? How does that even work? Why can you get into that for us?

00:06:42.860 Yeah, it's, it's, it happens a lot with, uh, especially with pro-life, uh, candidates. Um,

00:06:49.080 we've been through this a couple of dozen times, I'm sure over the, over the two decades I've been

00:06:55.420 with campaign life. You know, they gave him a hard time four years ago when he tried to run as well.

00:07:00.580 Uh, they gave, they gave him some kind of excuse that he didn't get, I think it was, he didn't get

00:07:04.880 his paperwork correct or something. Or no, what it was is he wasn't, he had, he had run two executive,

00:07:11.660 two consecutive times after losing his, because he was an MP for a number of years. Then he lost and

00:07:19.180 he tried to run twice in a row, two elections in a row, and he lost both times, or he, I'm not sure,

00:07:26.000 can't remember now if he, if he lost the, um, uh, the nomination or if he lost the election. I think

00:07:31.900 it was the election. And so their rules in their constitution state that you can't run more than

00:07:38.320 twice. Uh, you know, if you lose, you can't run. So they gave him that excuse, even though he was the

00:07:44.120 best candidate, you know, that they could possibly have. And he, you know, I don't understand. And

00:07:50.400 this is the, this is the thing we don't understand that he had a stellar record. The guy's got a resume

00:07:56.080 that outdoes just about any MP in parliament. And the guy is loved by everybody. He, he didn't have

00:08:04.140 any detractors. He didn't have any haters. So I don't understand it, except the fact that they know

00:08:10.500 he's a faithful Catholic and they know that he's faithful to his pro-life views. Don't forget that

00:08:16.480 these party executives, these party people at headquarters, the ones that are advising the

00:08:22.900 leaders, they're all in their twenties and thirties. And they've never had, they've likely had no other

00:08:29.320 job except politics, uh, as, as operatives. And so they're very narrow focused. They haven't,

00:08:37.300 you know, but ironically, a lot of them are actually socially conservative and a lot of

00:08:41.680 them are pro-life, but they don't understand. I don't know what it is. And we, none of us,

00:08:47.220 trust me, we've had these conversations a hundred times. We don't understand, but there are some

00:08:52.680 guys at head office, some, you know, uh, larger than life, if you will, advisors that are telling

00:08:59.960 these 20 somethings, put the boots to that guy, you know, stop that guy from running, go and tell him

00:09:05.900 to, they're just lackeys, but there are, there's, there's one, two, three, I don't know how many guys

00:09:11.760 behind the scenes that are calling the shots. And are they higher up than Paliyev? I don't know.

00:09:18.100 I don't know. But your guess is as good as mine. I'm sure there are some, um, like when Mulroney was

00:09:25.300 still alive, he, he was still, uh, consulting for the party. So, you know, there were some heavy

00:09:30.360 hitters that are directing things, but we can't, we can't put our finger on, you know, that's the

00:09:37.720 guy or that's the girl, or, you know, that's the group of people that are, that are doing this. We do

00:09:42.480 know that we're being persecuted. That's for sure. And once in a while, they give us a gem. Once in a

00:09:48.560 while, we get a good candidate, uh, elected and they allow that person to run. It's hard. It's just hard

00:09:55.060 to know, hard to know exactly where they're coming from. It is a difficult situation in Canada because

00:09:59.840 unlike the United States, which has gone back and forth, we, especially of late. And, and when I say

00:10:07.920 of late, I mean, even like 60 years, we've had, um, abortion for 60 years. We've had like the, um,

00:10:17.520 abortion without at least since the, the, the nineties, let's say we've had no talk about abortion,

00:10:24.160 even from our conservatives, they actually bar the debate. Um, and we've got the most liberal

00:10:29.080 abortion law on earth. Uh, there's, there's no one, uh, it's like us in China, uh, and maybe North

00:10:34.760 Korea. It's abortion all the time, all at taxpayer expense, anytime you want. And it's our conservatives

00:10:40.540 that refuse to allow the debate to open, to even consider addressing that, which is really stunning.

00:10:47.580 So when people from the United States, uh, even from Europe actually look over to Canada and see our

00:10:53.420 abortion regime and our conservatives who maintain it, they're like, wow, that's pretty sad. How do

00:10:59.780 they? So, um, it is one of the things that that's hard for people to stomach in, in Canada even, uh,

00:11:07.800 and looking across the border, they're like, why do you even stay there? And so it's, it is tough.

00:11:14.000 And, and especially when Trudeau was threatening with the laws of repression of freedom of speech,

00:11:19.140 um, you know, when are you going to get arrested? Some people have, what motivates you? Let me ask

00:11:24.840 you what to stay in Canada. And why would you suggest that some, some Canadians do some Canadians

00:11:31.780 feel like, you know what, maybe the idea of becoming the 51st state, especially under Trump

00:11:36.300 is not that bad because it's been pathetic here for so long. What do we do?

00:11:41.040 You know, the funny thing is I just moved to new, the province of New Brunswick, uh, back in,

00:11:45.980 in September of last year. And, uh, we're right, uh, right across. I can look out my window and I can,

00:11:52.380 I can see the homes along the river, the St. Croix river from Maine. And, um, so I feel,

00:11:59.860 I feel closer to the U S in fact, we go there to get gas, uh, every week it's 50 cents a liter cheaper.

00:12:07.720 So it's literally 10 minutes from my doorstep to go and fill up. So I, we do that. And up until the,

00:12:14.780 the tariff business started, we were doing a little bit of shopping in the local town

00:12:19.820 as well. Um, because, and not, not, it wasn't because of price either. It was just because

00:12:26.120 of availability of, of the particular products that we were looking for. So I have a, I have

00:12:32.440 family relations in the States, um, who left Canada long, like two, three decades ago.

00:12:39.140 And, uh, because back then they, they felt crippled by the, by the sociopolitical culture

00:12:46.540 that we have here in Canada and all of our strict, uh, policies on banking and, and, and whatever.

00:12:52.800 So, um, you know, do I have an urge? Not really. I, but it's a good question. I'm, I'm sort of

00:13:04.240 embarrassed, uh, cause I don't have an answer to why do I stay in Canada? I hate the winter.

00:13:09.800 We've never, we had, we've had a brutal winter here and we're not supposed to have them in

00:13:13.900 Southwestern, uh, New Brunswick. They told us they haven't had snow in four years here. So,

00:13:20.420 so, um, anyway, we had a terrible winter. So yeah, most Canadians complain about the cold

00:13:25.920 and yet we stay here. Well, you know what? We like the, I think we like our, our change up,

00:13:31.240 right. We like the change of seasons. Um, and we love our, our clean, relatively clean air

00:13:37.140 and our beautiful forests and lakes and, and oceans. So, I mean, we've really got a beautiful

00:13:42.500 country and we're very comfortable here too. We have a good social net, which may or may not be,

00:13:49.420 uh, a right thing to have, but you know, we're, we're a little bit like Sweden in that way. We've got a,

00:13:56.320 uh, a pretty comfortable safety net that nobody really has to suffer too much in Canada.

00:14:03.660 And I think that's a little different in the States where I think yet your poverty line is

00:14:07.440 probably a lot lower than, than ours. So I love, I, you know, I've got a friend in the States who,

00:14:13.660 who throws me a, uh, uh, $20 bill whenever he sees me and goes, pick that up and smell it,

00:14:20.520 you know, smell the smell of freedom, just smell that freedom. So I, I had the taste of that freedom

00:14:26.080 about five years ago, went to the Washington March for life. And I, I walked, I went looking

00:14:31.200 for a cigar store. So, uh, in, in my travels, I came to a place. I, I think I saw the word cigar

00:14:37.760 or something. I don't know what it was, but I, I walked up the stairs, walked in and it was a bar.

00:14:42.100 It was a cigar bar. And not only could you buy cigars here, but you could smoke them.

00:14:47.580 And, and so I, I said, you gotta be kidding. You can smoke in here. And the owner happened to be

00:14:54.680 there. And it's a woman, believe it or not, from Ottawa, Ontario that, that, uh, anyway, so she said,

00:14:59.660 yeah, you can, well, I said, I'll be back later. So I went to whatever event I was going to, I came

00:15:06.580 back and I sat down at the bar and I had a cigar and I thought, man, oh man, this is beautiful. What

00:15:12.540 freedom to have it. Now, of course, that's not everywhere in the States. That is, that was

00:15:17.760 grandfathered in that, that particular bar. But the point is it is, it is, it does feel to Canadians

00:15:23.760 that for sure that America has much more freedom, uh, ask an American that they don't, they don't

00:15:30.360 necessarily agree with that. So the grass is always greener on the other side, right? I, I can't see

00:15:37.600 myself leaving Canada. I don't care how bad it gets. Uh, because to be honest, the worse it gets,

00:15:43.800 the, the holier I get, because it makes me, forces me on my knees. It forces me to pray more

00:15:49.560 and God's in control. And I feel it's my duty as a Canadian citizen to bring Christ back into our

00:15:58.940 culture. So if I leave, it's almost like I'm abandoning that task that I believe God has put

00:16:06.740 on all our hearts to bring him back, bring him into the culture, bring people to heaven. Right.

00:16:13.000 So yeah, I feel that I'd be abandoning my post, if you will.

00:16:17.600 As the head of campaign life coalition, you are the, uh, you know, political arm of the pro-life

00:16:21.780 movement. You're the most, uh, vociferous and, and, um, influential, uh, pro-life group in Canada.

00:16:29.680 Um, and yet many people would say, oh, you guys haven't really achieved anything. In fact,

00:16:35.100 that was funny. I was doing an interview with Rebecca Kiesling. She's conceived in rape and

00:16:40.760 save the one is her group. And, um, just amazing warrior for life. When I sat down with her in

00:16:47.900 America, uh, we were at a beautiful bringing America back to life conference. She had nothing

00:16:52.800 but praise for Canada. The Canadian pro-life movement, she said is the strongest pro-life

00:16:57.020 movement on earth. She was all about how sticking to their guns in not allowing the exceptions for rape

00:17:03.320 and incest is the most incredible thing. And think about it from her perspective as the child

00:17:07.700 of rape who works in an organization full of women who, uh, are conceived in rape and survived and

00:17:14.860 those who have been raped and have held their children, some who've given them up and for

00:17:20.980 adoption and some who haven't, but also those, the, the, the sorrow of those who, who cry in pain

00:17:28.200 because while they could get over their own rape, they couldn't get over the fact that they had

00:17:33.560 killed their own child. Um, so anyway, kudos from Rebecca Kiesling for, uh, the pro-life movement

00:17:41.720 in Canada, but it is from the inside. It seems so difficult, so hard. And it almost seems like

00:17:48.980 there's no way forward. So what do we do? I know it's a big question, but as you answered,

00:17:55.320 I also want you to get into what you're doing politically back in, what was it, uh, when were

00:18:00.960 we in Rome the last time with the LifeSite Rome forum, uh, 2018, 19, somewhere in there. I, I spoke

00:18:09.260 briefly there on a panel about pretty much covering that question you just asked, how do we get people

00:18:14.760 involved? How do we, how do we, um, engage in, in the political arena? And I was, I was promoting

00:18:21.660 and supporting and pushing the idea of entering in, uh, to, um, you know, certainly vote pro-life first

00:18:31.380 and foremost, uh, to, um, help can, you know, with a campaign, help, help a candidate, uh, with his or

00:18:39.480 her campaign. Um, what I didn't emphasize, I, I'm sure I mentioned it, but I now have raised the bar

00:18:46.100 a notch. We no longer can just vote. We can no longer just, uh, knock on doors or make phone calls

00:18:55.060 or financially help a candidate. We, especially as Catholics, as Christians, we need to enter into

00:19:02.740 the fray. We actually have to run ourselves because, um, every, every place I go to talk,

00:19:11.020 I will look at their city council and I'll go to their website, you know, the city's website.

00:19:17.160 I'll look at the council. I'll get pictures. There are all the pictures of the council members

00:19:21.500 and the mayor, and I will try to find out where they stand on the issues real, you know, just by

00:19:26.760 a very superficial research. Uh, so I look, I Google all this stuff and I try to find any information I

00:19:33.280 can on the candidates. So then I go to the place, the venue, and I put a, I put their faces up on the

00:19:39.160 wall on the screen and say, uh, does anybody know this person? And most people say no. And I show the

00:19:46.020 next counselor member and I show the next, I show the mayor and then I show a group shot of them. I

00:19:50.400 said, well, this is your city council. I assume all of you good people here in this room, pro-life,

00:19:57.840 Catholic, maybe, uh, just, you know, another faith, another Christian faith. I assume because you're

00:20:04.960 good Christians that you had voted, you voted during the municipal election. Well, who did you

00:20:09.140 vote for? Did you vote for any of these people? And then they kind of sheepishly go, uh, yeah,

00:20:15.840 yeah, we, I did, you know, like one or two will be honest and put up their hand. Yeah, I voted for

00:20:19.940 that guy. And I said, oh, well, are they pro-life? Well, why are we allowing, why are we as Catholics,

00:20:26.500 especially? We have parishes. We have five parishes in a town of a hundred thousand people,

00:20:33.460 right? Five, six, seven parishes, maybe. And we have the clergy, we have this, you know, we have,

00:20:40.800 we're a significant voting block of Catholics. Why do we have a secular city council? Why do we have a

00:20:48.580 secular mayor? It doesn't make sense. Why? We're allowing these people who have no ties, no, they're

00:20:57.020 not lined up with our social, uh, our, our faith and morals at all. What are we doing? Why are we

00:21:04.660 voting these people in? There is no excuse for that. Absolutely zero excuse to have less than,

00:21:12.320 you know, a majority of Catholics on a, on a given city council. So I think that's where we start.

00:21:19.380 That's where we start. We get people to focus on their own backyard, um, because huge, the budget's

00:21:27.820 huge. I mean, education comes out of there, you know, that, um, you've got sure that the education

00:21:33.840 is controlled by the province, but the, the municipality collects the taxes for it. And,

00:21:40.380 um, you know, the trustees, education is one of the biggest, if not the biggest budget other than

00:21:47.680 health, uh, that anybody can, um, work on. So we need good faithful Catholics working on, on that kind

00:21:56.780 of task because how can we trust anyone else with it? Catholic, good, uh, informed faithful Catholics

00:22:05.580 make the best citizens and also they make the best politicians. So, uh, because we, you know,

00:22:14.820 we believe in, in, um, the dignity of the human person. We don't have to have these groups, these special

00:22:21.920 groups that are promoting, uh, LGBT or trans or, or, or, you know, drunken, uh, mothers against drunk

00:22:31.460 Catholics. Catholics embrace all people as, you know, as Christ would. And we don't need, we don't need

00:22:42.100 special interest groups and we don't need pride flags and whatnot. So what Camping Life Coalition's

00:22:48.520 trying to do is to get these Catholics and Christians, uh, to run, not just to help, not just

00:22:56.080 to vote, but to run. And people like, uh, Pierre Lemieux and, and there's dozens of others. We, we have

00:23:03.100 good, some good Catholic, faithful Catholics that have been elected, but it's, they're, they're all alone

00:23:09.440 and they can't do a lot when they're one person in a room of, of dozens and in sometimes in federal

00:23:16.620 hundreds. So that's where, that's where it's simple. I understand it sounds simple, but, you know,

00:23:26.440 look at your church. How many people are registered at your church? There's got to be 300 people minimum,

00:23:31.780 probably 1500, but they don't all go to church. But the fact is you probably have 300 people that

00:23:36.920 faithfully go to church every week. We can't get, you know, five, six, seven people to run on city

00:23:42.780 council. Over the years, we have said that we need more support from the clergy and especially the

00:23:48.160 bishops. If the bishops would, you would utilize the power that they have, not, not to, you know,

00:23:55.380 not to lord over Catholic principles, over non-Catholics, but certainly within the Catholic realm,

00:24:00.980 they can rally up. They can get us awake, shake us awake with statements of support for Catholic

00:24:09.780 candidates. They don't have to be partisan. They're not going to say vote for that guy because

00:24:16.840 he's Catholic. They'll just say that guy there, John Smith is running and he, his values line up with

00:24:24.160 Catholic values. And that guy over there, his value, her values line up with Catholic. That's what we need

00:24:30.320 to hear. We need to hear that from our clergy, that we need to vote our values and not, not, not the

00:24:38.360 basket of values, the pro-life values, right? Those pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, traditional family.

00:24:46.480 That's, those are the true values. That's what the church teaches us. So that's what Camping Life

00:24:53.920 Coalition tries to do. We've, we've been successful at it, but we just don't have enough. The, what's

00:25:00.740 the scripture? The, the harvest is plenty, but the workers are, are few, the workers are few. So we need

00:25:07.880 that we, there's lots of, lots of capable and able Catholics out there. They're not coming into the

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00:25:51.640 Tell us about Mark Carney. Who is this guy? And why is he to be avoided? Why should every Catholic

00:25:59.120 not dare to vote for a liberal who would then get Mark Carney elected?

00:26:05.860 Yeah, he's a problem. First of all, he's very well connected. He's way more powerful than

00:26:10.960 Justin Trudeau ever was. He has worldwide connections. He's, he's one of a very, one of the

00:26:20.120 elite, if you will, global elite. He belongs to that global economic system.

00:26:26.660 And he likes the, he likes to pretend at least to be a Catholic. And he makes it very clear that

00:26:36.200 he's Catholic. In fact, the media have helped him with that, asking him questions right off the top

00:26:42.680 his very first, one of his first press releases where they asked him, oh, we, we noticed you went

00:26:48.040 to mass. And where do you stand on a woman's right to choose so-called? And of course, we all know what

00:26:55.780 he said about that being that he fully supports abortion and that he would, um, do what he can to,

00:27:02.440 uh, to increase, uh, access. Like he wouldn't, certainly wouldn't cut it down. And then on top

00:27:10.480 of that, he promotes LGBT rights. In fact, um, even with his own daughter, allowing, allowing her,

00:27:18.520 is it, I can't remember, is it her to a he or he to a her, but he, he, he supported that move

00:27:24.720 with his own child. And, you know, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's tantamount to child abuse to

00:27:30.740 support such things. Um, I can't imagine, I just can't imagine how, how anybody could do that to

00:27:38.020 their own child. So, um, that's why he's so dangerous, uh, especially to, to, you know,

00:27:45.180 that he's looking, he's trying to get the Catholic vote. Um, and he'll, he'll get a good portion of it

00:27:52.620 because of the silence of our clergy, in my view, they're not condemning him. And why aren't they

00:27:59.880 condemning him? What, what is it that Carney has on them? You know, is it, is it money? Does he,

00:28:05.720 does he give a lot to the church? I don't know. I, that's a, a cynical comment. And I,

00:28:10.960 God, forgive me for that. But I, I wonder, I don't understand, like what, what excuse could

00:28:16.620 there be? Wouldn't you be itching? Wouldn't you, uh, if you were a bishop, just be itching to come out

00:28:22.060 with a public statement that informs the Catholic voter that Mark Carney is not the Catholic.

00:28:30.220 He's not, he's not lined up with our values at all. I just don't know. And that's, again,

00:28:36.680 that gets, that just goes to show how, how far down we've come and that the need for you as a

00:28:45.140 Catholic to enter in is tantamount. It's just, it, it, it's your duty. Oh, I think it's Pope Leo XIII

00:28:53.740 said it's our duty to run, uh, and, and in, um, in fill, if you will, uh, Catholic principles,

00:29:04.820 Christ principles into the culture. So that's, that's our duty to do that.

00:29:09.980 Carney is running from one statement. Uh, it's funny because he doesn't normally retreat from

00:29:14.520 anything, but he has retreated. So one of the most hopeful things probably in the last 50 years

00:29:20.700 in Canada was the truckers was the freedom convoy that, uh, really sparked, I think once again,

00:29:27.380 in Canada, hope that I don't know that how many have ever seen in, in their lifetimes. I know for

00:29:33.740 my children in their twenties, um, it was the first and most hopeful thing they'd ever seen in Canada

00:29:40.300 after many of them being crushed out of jobs and out of their schooling, et cetera, uh, because of

00:29:46.760 the COVID insanity, the forced mandates and all of that. The truckers were just incredible.

00:29:54.620 Mark Carney though, has a history with the truckers, which I'll give you here. And I'd like your comment

00:30:00.900 on, um, Mark Carney in 2022 accused the freedom convoy of sedition. Um, he said, and he's trying

00:30:12.680 to sort of not talk about this, but it's very, very serious in a February 7th, 2022 column published

00:30:19.220 in one of our major papers called the Globe and Mail. Um, Carney, it was entitled it's time to end

00:30:25.080 the sedition in Ottawa. Carney wrote that the freedom convoy was a movement of sedition.

00:30:30.400 And he said, that's a word I never thought I'd use in Canada. It means incitement of resistance or

00:30:36.340 the two or insurrection against lawful authority. And he said, if left unchecked, uh, that it would

00:30:43.600 achieve its goal of undermining our democracy. If that sounds familiar, it should, because that was

00:30:51.140 Nancy Pelosi, uh, and all of the repeated through the leftist controlled media in America,

00:30:56.820 they're undermining our democracy. They're undermining our democracy. And that is probably

00:31:02.240 where they got the line from. Mark Carney being one of the globalist leaders, uh, and, uh, informant

00:31:08.720 to Justin Trudeau. Um, and it wouldn't surprise me at all that they would get their, uh, marching

00:31:15.520 orders from him, but he was for crushing the freedom convoy. And he's now hiding from that

00:31:23.760 because anybody who wants to get elected office in Canada can't be against the truckers because it

00:31:27.780 was the most hopeful movement Canada had seen in 50 years. So your thoughts on the truckers and,

00:31:34.900 and is that sentiment still alive in Canada? Because there was so much hope there because you finally

00:31:40.580 thought for the first time in your life, wow, maybe we have a moral majority in Canada. Like

00:31:46.020 they always talk about in the United States, but where did they sleep? We never see them. All of a

00:31:51.120 sudden we saw them. It's like they came out of the woodwork for a second. They were crushed and

00:31:54.620 everything else, but they sparked a worldwide movement that honestly helped to get rid of the COVID

00:31:59.720 insanity. I was shocked, pleasantly, uh, shocked at the whole, um, uh, goings on and, and people that I

00:32:07.760 heard go to visit that went to visit the, uh, the convoy, people that normally don't, uh, participate

00:32:15.260 in any kind of activity at all, uh, you know, any kind of activism went there and many of them went

00:32:21.840 with their families. So it was, it was a spectacle to be, to behold. Can it be, can it be replicated in

00:32:29.200 Canada? I fear that it, it can't now. I mean, at this moment, because I think we only have it in us

00:32:39.740 every, you know, once in a decade. I don't think, I don't think there's enough anger built up. I think

00:32:45.320 we, we got a lot of that out now. I could, you know, it could be another, uh, uh, tyrannical, uh,

00:32:52.920 dictate from, from Carney or whoever the prime minister might be next that, that stirs up the,

00:33:01.500 the, uh, the soul, if you will, of Canada to, to get out and do something. But like if another

00:33:07.280 vaccine mandate comes along or, or whatever, I don't know, but I hope so. And I will certainly

00:33:13.300 do, uh, what we can now campaign life coalition as a, as an organization can't get involved in that

00:33:18.440 because it's not our mandate, but, um, but Catholics, Christians certainly can. Um, again,

00:33:24.800 Pope Leo XIII, he, he talked about, uh, uh, sedition, which, which, uh, I, I, you know, treason. Uh,

00:33:32.940 he said that, that Catholics are called not to be passive or silent in the face of moral decay or

00:33:39.400 anti-Christian ideologies, but to actively shape society through faithful witness, courageous action,

00:33:48.440 and unity. So that really describes that, that trucker, the trucker, uh, protest. So, um,

00:33:57.180 to shrink and Pope, the Pope further went on to say to shrink from conflict is to be guilty of treason to

00:34:07.320 Christ. That's pretty powerful. And so Christians must manfully resist and never yield.

00:34:18.440 To me, that's, that's just, that's a, uh, a rallying call for us to, you know, get off of our

00:34:26.260 duffs and stop scrolling and get out there and do something. Unfortunately, we, we do little mini

00:34:34.300 protests all the time. We have, we encourage people to go to school trustee meetings to, um,

00:34:39.320 to, to give moral support for the delegations that are there to, you know, for or against whatever it

00:34:45.160 is that we're fighting, you know, little rallies on Parliament Hill, uh, on euthanasia or on, on abortion.

00:34:51.520 And we don't get, you know, we don't get that kind of response. So, uh, you know, maybe there's a bit

00:34:58.560 of a defeatist attitude in Canadians because as you alluded to, we, you know, that they think that just

00:35:04.080 nothing has changed in 60 years. Uh, we're not getting anywhere, but we can't get anywhere. Again,

00:35:10.800 I'll go back. We can't get anywhere without Christ. If we win, if we win a battle today

00:35:15.680 without Christ, it'll just be run over by the next government and, and, and repealed and shoved

00:35:22.120 aside and say, no, we're not going with that anymore. We're going to, we're, this is the new

00:35:25.920 regime and here we are. We're going to, we're going to do it this way. But if we have, if we, if we,

00:35:30.880 if we make these changes, if we make this, um, uh, all of our actions backed up with, with the love

00:35:40.640 of Christ and, and our support of him, then things will change more permanently and positively. And

00:35:49.220 it, it, it, I, I don't know how to make that happen. Um, but, but certainly prayer, fasting

00:35:57.600 and action. We just, we just have to act. I don't want to, I don't want to run for city council.

00:36:07.600 Um, but I'm thinking I, I might have to, I might, it's my obligation, my duty. I don't want to,

00:36:14.700 uh, what did he say? Um, shrink from conflict. I don't want to be guilty of treason to Christ.

00:36:23.560 That's, that's like, that's hitting my heart in a, in a profound way.

00:36:30.400 Canada is a confusing place. We don't vote for the prime minister. We vote for local reps,

00:36:34.700 the local reps, then the ones with them, the party with most local reps, they become the ruling party

00:36:40.720 and the leader of that party becomes the prime minister. But your job has been made somewhat

00:36:45.640 easy because much like in the United States, the liberals don't allow anyone with pro-life

00:36:50.320 convictions of any sort, uh, named or unnamed to, uh, run at all, nor do the NDP. So we're dealing

00:36:56.980 then with a few parties, um, that are the conservatives, the people's party, PPC, I think it's called

00:37:05.080 though. And then the new blue, is it a third one? No, new blue is a provincial party. What's the,

00:37:10.180 what's the third one then? United party. Okay. So we've got three, uh, options, if you will.

00:37:15.700 And the CHP. Oh, and the Christian heritage party, of course. So these parties, the, the lesser ones,

00:37:20.820 the ones that aren't so popular, the, this, uh, PPC, uh, the United party, the Christian heritage

00:37:26.640 party, uh, they don't, they don't have any members elected. Is that correct?

00:37:30.420 Elected. That's, uh, correct. That's correct.

00:37:33.100 Kevin life has an interesting strategy. A lot of people would say, Hey, you gotta then vote for the

00:37:37.860 conservative candidate only. You should disregard whether your candidate is because in, in,

00:37:43.860 so there's a lot of conservative candidates who are totally pro-abortion and totally pro-homosexual

00:37:47.600 marriage and everything else. And, you know, basically they're like the U S version of RINO's

00:37:53.660 Republican in name only conservative in name only. Um, so what do you suggest in terms of election?

00:38:00.300 How do we, how do we thread the needle on this one? We've always, um, supported the idea that you

00:38:07.020 vote for your local member. Of course, that's how we do a parliamentary system here in Canada. We vote

00:38:12.660 for our local candidate, uh, who, who represents approximately a hundred thousand, 120,000 people

00:38:19.040 in a particular riding. So you have usually, you know, a choice of, of, uh, four or five,

00:38:26.380 six candidates to choose from depending on what party you're running in. We always, uh, suggest

00:38:31.740 that you vote for the pro-life candidate regardless of party. Now, as you said, very clearly, there

00:38:38.440 won't be a liberal pro-life candidate. There won't be an NDP pro-life candidate, and there

00:38:42.620 won't be a green party candidate. Um, the only possibility is that we'll have a people's party

00:38:48.060 of Canada candidate, a CHP candidate and a conservative candidate. So we really only have

00:38:52.480 three choices in any given riding that we can vote for. Now there might be an independent, but

00:38:57.540 we ask our supporters to please vote for the pro-life candidate. And, you know, you get all

00:39:04.280 kinds of arguments and pushback about, well, we don't want the liberals to win. So I'm going to vote

00:39:10.320 for the conservative guy, even though he's maybe not, uh, pro-life or he's not as pro-life as he could

00:39:16.300 be, uh, even though the PPC candidate is completely pro-life and the CHP candidate is completely pro-life,

00:39:22.680 they say they think that's a wasted vote, yet that will cause the liberals to win. Well, that's a

00:39:28.400 whole, that's a, another topic for another video, John Henry, but I don't think, uh, I don't, I don't

00:39:33.940 believe that. And, um, nor does Rod Taylor at Christian Heritage Party or Maxine Bernier at People's

00:39:40.540 Party of Canada. They think that, uh, uh, the only way to send a message to the conservative party of

00:39:46.220 Canada and the liberal party of Canada is to vote your conscience so that if every Catholic and every

00:39:53.200 Christian did that and voted, uh, for the candidate that lines up best with Christian values, that's

00:40:01.060 going to send a message, uh, some, someday, maybe not this election, but if we kept doing it election

00:40:08.540 after election, we would, they would finally wake up and realize, hey, we're losing a lot of votes here

00:40:14.340 because we don't have a pro-life candidate. And, but, you know, and that seems like a, an idealistic

00:40:22.040 view, but we actually have the numbers. We have the numbers and we could make Canada great again, if

00:40:31.680 all pro-life Christians and people of goodwill voted the values that line up with their respective

00:40:42.720 Christian faith. A lot of people talk about values and, and they say, these leaders will say,

00:40:49.760 those aren't Canadian values. Well, those aren't yet. No, I'm talking about Christ values. I'm talking

00:40:55.140 about biblical values, um, virtue, Christian virtue, and don't let this video end thinking that Mark

00:41:05.960 Carney's the bad guy. Well, Pierre Polyev's not much better. Um, he certainly isn't pro-life and he

00:41:12.980 won't allow any legislation to advance in his party. If he's prime minister, there will be no change on the,

00:41:20.740 uh, status quo of abortion in Canada with under Polly Apple or any of these leaders, except for Rod

00:41:27.560 Taylor and Maxine Bernier. Stark reality in Canada. Um, I want to end off with this one little clip.

00:41:34.140 This is from, uh, the vice president of the United States, uh, talking about hard times in America

00:41:41.340 where he sort of thought, gee, it's all lost. And listen to his conclusion.

00:41:46.780 We're not going to solve any of these problems unless we have the courage to speak the truth,

00:41:52.400 unless we have the courage to live the truth. And I will say that one thing I think is true of Rod,

00:41:58.360 and I think it's true of much of the conservative movement in 2020 is something that sometimes we're

00:42:06.560 so good at pointing out, or sometimes I say we were so good at pointing out some very obvious problems

00:42:13.380 that we would sometimes give in to this despair, this idea that because things were not going great

00:42:19.800 in 2020, because things weren't always going in our way electorally, we would give into this sense

00:42:26.560 that the countries that we love, the civilization that we love was always on a negative trajectory.

00:42:31.760 And I say that as not a criticism of Rod, because I myself have sometimes felt in the,

00:42:37.000 in the lowest moments of American politics that, you know what,

00:42:39.900 maybe this country is just not going in the right direction. But I think that what we've learned

00:42:45.440 over the last few months is that the American people, and I think Western peoples are a hell

00:42:50.960 of a lot more resilient than our elites give them credit for. Now, that's not to say again,

00:42:55.520 that this is easy or that it's ever going to be easy. But I think if we speak the truth,

00:43:00.020 if we refuse to live by lies, then I think we can re-deliver on the promise of Western civilization.

00:43:07.180 And I think, Jeff, that's what you, what the Canadians are doing in Canada,

00:43:12.840 continuing to, despite all the hell, tell the truth and keep doing it, regardless of the

00:43:19.480 consequences. Because the real fear we should have is fear of the Lord, fear of offending the God who

00:43:27.080 loves us so much, who is the only real judge in the end of all of us. Jeff, thank you so much for

00:43:35.380 being with us. And where can people learn more about campaign life? Where can they look up

00:43:41.820 who to vote for in Canada? Because you're going to get that call a lot. Who do I vote for? Where can

00:43:47.240 they go? Great, great question. Thank you for ending it that way. Go to voteprolife.ca. It's as

00:43:54.060 simple as that. You put in your postal code and you can find out who the pro-life candidate is closest

00:43:59.620 to you. It may not be in your writing, but maybe you could go and help that candidate

00:44:03.380 on his or her campaign. And on top of that, and perhaps even before that,

00:44:11.800 pray. It's Lent after all. Pray fast and then vote pro-life.

00:44:17.380 Jeff Gunnarsson, so good to have you. God bless you, my friend. And look forward to seeing you at the

00:44:22.160 March for Life. Thanks again.

00:44:23.460 And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - April 16, 2025

CRISIS in Canada： Christians Must WAKE UP!

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