The John-Henry Westen Show - Diagnosis to Vocation ｜ Your Child's Learning Disability Is Not a Barrier to Holiness

00:00:00.000 Something that's been amazing working in this field is that when you look at neuroscience,

00:00:04.400 they're missing that final step. As a Catholic, it's beautiful knowing that there's that final step.

00:00:11.700 Hello, my friends. Welcome to the John Hunter Weston Show. I've got a really interesting topic

00:00:16.040 today. A lot of people, a lot of our kids have learning disabilities, and it's sometimes a

00:00:24.620 struggle uh there is a young lady who has done a lot of research on what all this means she works

00:00:32.960 with uh in special education as it's called with children who have learning disabilities

00:00:37.560 um and uh this is a great line you can try the latin mass for them i asked i want to ask her

00:00:46.120 about that because that's really interesting because it's not just kids with learning

00:00:50.000 disabilities i know a lot of people they say oh we can't go to the latin mass because it's just

00:00:54.320 so hard. I mean, I know English and I just don't know Latin, but this is picking up everywhere.

00:01:00.100 There's more and more people wanting to try out the Latin mask, but there's a lot of reticence.

00:01:05.640 And I think it's even accentuated with those who have learning disabilities or kids have it

00:01:09.480 because they're like, ah, nah, I'd love to go, but my kids has a learning disability. There's no way.

00:01:14.780 Apparently, the Latin mask can somehow help. You want to find out how, so stay tuned. 1.00

00:01:22.080 Margaret Walsh, thank you so much for joining us.

00:01:23.700 Thank you for having me.

00:01:24.780 Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.

00:01:27.060 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:01:32.980 So, Margaret, you run something called Secret Garden Educational Pathways.

00:01:37.600 Tell us about that. What is that?

00:01:38.660 Yes. Secret Garden Educational Pathways is a company that I set up 11 years ago at this point,

00:01:45.420 with the intention to provide a professional service for Catholic families and Christian families

00:01:51.640 who are seeking professional services while at the same time wanting to make sure their 0.76

00:01:56.580 students are working with trusted individuals with content that is good and wholesome, not

00:02:01.840 content that could be questionable.

00:02:03.940 And it's also a way for me to help these students reach a greater ability to reach

00:02:13.100 God through their faith as well.

00:02:15.380 So there were ultimately two reasons why I started it.

00:02:18.740 And one of them was speaking about helping them reach their faith, naturally speaking, was I was working with two students at a secular clinic at one point, and I knew they were Catholic.

00:02:32.260 And there was a story about Hades, the Greek underworld, and I asked them, how does this compare to purgatory?

00:02:38.840 And they had no concept of what purgatory was.

00:02:41.640 And so we spent about 20 minutes using the steps of intervention that I had been taught, trained in.

00:02:48.740 to help them understand what purgatory was, how it was different than Hades, you didn't just wait

00:02:53.980 around, there was a purification process, why there was a purification process, and ultimately

00:02:59.720 how we can reach heaven through that purgative way, and it was amazing to watch them, it took

00:03:05.800 about 20 minutes of walking them through those steps, and as I was walking them through those 0.96

00:03:10.740 steps, I realized the extent to which sometimes components of the faith might be inaccessible,

00:03:17.540 naturally speaking and again we can get into that later but naturally speaking certain components

00:03:22.420 might be inaccessible just due to the struggle to learn and that was a huge impetus for why I

00:03:27.860 started Secret Garden is I don't ever want students to feel like they are held back in their

00:03:33.280 spiritual life because that's the greatest knowledge that we can ever gain is knowledge

00:03:37.660 of God so that's one of the reasons why I started Secret Garden and we've been running strong for

00:03:43.140 over a decade now and have worked with students all over the country remotely to support them in

00:03:48.840 their learning journey. Beautiful. So one of the things that does happen is that there, because

00:03:55.840 there is an influx right now of people wanting to check out the Latin Massive for no other reason

00:03:59.780 than it's in the news. And, but there's a lot of hubbub around it right now and people wanting to

00:04:04.880 go. One of the excuses or reasons why people say, ah, I wish I could, but I can't is because my

00:04:11.500 child with a learning disability. It's such a hard time just with English and getting things right

00:04:15.300 anyway. How is he going to do anything in Latin at all? It's just going to be a waste of time.

00:04:18.700 He's going to sit there and really not like it. What's your advice to them? I would say that

00:04:23.420 shouldn't be a deterrent for families taking their students to Latin Mass. Because we are created

00:04:28.300 body and soul, we have to learn through our physical body. So we have the five senses through

00:04:34.060 which we learn about the world around us and the reality that informs our thoughts. And something

00:04:40.920 that I would say about the Latin Mass, even though there's Latin involved and most of us don't speak

00:04:46.020 Latin, we don't know Latin, there are various different elements in the Latin Mass that lift

00:04:53.320 the mind to prayer through the senses. And I would say just on a cursory level, the music that's

00:05:01.980 involved lifts the mind to God. The incense is also something that is used very regularly at

00:05:08.820 the Latin mass, um, also in the Byzantine, right? So Byzantine and Latin mass have similarities

00:05:14.220 there. Um, music incense, the posture and the, the physical way in which the faithful bring

00:05:24.040 themselves to that prayer, that, um, example that students will see from the adults. There's,

00:05:30.620 there is more reverence involved in the Latin mass and in the Byzantine, right? And all of

00:05:36.480 those things, those externals, people call them the bells and the smells, but those externals are

00:05:43.260 really, really important for lifting the mind to prayer, even though it's not a definition,

00:05:48.840 so to speak. So I think in education nowadays, a lot of times people are concerned with definitions

00:05:55.820 and analyzing the text and things like that and memorizing the vocabulary where we really need

00:06:03.540 to go back to the basics and understand how we approach something, how we learn about something.

00:06:08.980 And again, in the Latin Mass, action of the priest and the ministers has a point and a reason.

00:06:14.500 And it's not egocentric. It's not pointed towards us. It's pointed always towards God. So again,

00:06:20.380 that example and representation of the sacrifice, there's an awe and a splendor there that can't

00:06:27.580 always be described in words that will deeply affect anyone, anyone who attends, not just

00:06:33.480 students with learning disabilities, but those who do have learning disabilities, if they can't read

00:06:38.760 the text, if they can't follow the prayers that are being said, even if they're in English,

00:06:43.440 what will touch them is that example and the accidental externals that are surrounding the

00:06:53.080 mystery. And I think that's really, really important is that we need to see the sacrifice

00:06:57.960 of the Mass as a mystery. It is the highest form of prayer in the church. We need to treat it as

00:07:03.180 such. And the beautiful accents that are around that, again, just help lift the mind to God.

00:07:09.560 So for students who have learning struggles, even though there's Latin involved,

00:07:13.200 it's not going to deter them and it's only going to inspire them to have more reverence

00:07:17.340 and focus during the Mass.

00:07:19.940 And for some students, the Byzantine rite is going to be very helpful

00:07:23.560 because that does have more of the senses involved.

00:07:27.280 There's a little bit more movement throughout the liturgy from the faithful.

00:07:30.740 Children go up during the Gospel and sit at the feet of the priest.

00:07:34.220 Things like that are involved, so some students might do better with that,

00:07:37.680 but many students will do better with the traditional Latin Mass as well.

00:07:41.740 Let's take a step back, or if you will, let's look at things from a 30,000-foot view.

00:07:46.460 Take us through what is the Thomistic understanding of learning, how a person learns.

00:07:52.800 This is fascinating.

00:07:54.420 And when I was going to Thomas Quintus College as an undergraduate, I was like,

00:07:58.040 this is interesting, but I'm never going to use it later.

00:08:01.380 Turns out I was wrong.

00:08:02.660 When I was studying special education and learning different interventions,

00:08:07.660 I noticed that a lot of these interventions followed the Thomistic framework of how a person learns.

00:08:14.140 And that Thomistic framework is you have the senses, so you receive a sensory stimulation, you hear something or you see something.

00:08:23.240 And then the first step in the thought process is that you're supposed to create an image of that information.

00:08:31.160 Once you create that image, then you compare that image to past experiences and memories to kind of figure out where this new information fits.

00:08:41.660 what box does it fit into what's important what's not important about it and this is kind of your

00:08:46.920 your mind looking at the essential attributes and the accidental attributes of something so once you

00:08:53.300 have that image in your mind then you can distinguish what's essential and what's not

00:08:57.360 once that clarification of this information takes place in the mind then it gets sent to the

00:09:03.800 intellect and the intellect is a seated in the soul it's where the act of understanding takes

00:09:08.980 place and then based on that knowledge that the soul now possesses that individual can act on that

00:09:15.200 information whether that's just understanding what justice is that will come out later when

00:09:21.320 that person is in a situation where they need there needs to be justice either for themselves

00:09:26.240 or for someone else or if a child is learning about heat and they get too close to a fireplace

00:09:33.440 then they'll understand what that is and choose not to touch the fireplace type thing so it's

00:09:38.180 applicable to both very high level concepts as well as low level concepts um but the most important

00:09:44.660 the most important concept here for people to understand is that you have the senses which

00:09:50.540 are external that's how we receive information and then the imagination the memory and the ability

00:09:57.140 to kind of put something in a bucket those all take place in the brain um and that's where

00:10:05.120 specific powers of the soul are housed, so to speak, is in the brain. And then the ultimate

00:10:11.080 step is to the intellect, which is completely immaterial. So you have to go through two steps.

00:10:16.400 Aristotle describes it as the first impress of the seal on wax is where our senses impress that

00:10:23.380 image on our mind. And then the second impress is once that image has been clarified, that

00:10:28.900 information is understood to some extent then there's a second impress of the seal on wax

00:10:35.480 into the intellect and that's that's the final step in my experience and based on reading there's

00:10:44.300 no science that you could use to test this but I don't think that last step from the mind to the

00:10:49.080 intellect is ever broken or weak in students who have learning disabilities the weaknesses in

00:10:56.000 processing information happen in the brain which would be that that middle step where you're maybe

00:11:01.300 not creating a very good image you're not being able to you're not able to retrieve information

00:11:05.500 from your memory you're not able to compare things that's where all of the learning disabilities come

00:11:10.380 in and something that's been amazing working in this field is that when you look at neuroscience

00:11:15.160 they're missing that final step and so um as a catholic it's beautiful knowing that there's

00:11:22.760 that final step. And then working with the students to help them improve that stepping

00:11:29.080 stone to understanding a concept. But it also brings a lot of hope. So there are two things

00:11:36.680 here. One is that as Catholics, we are called to perfection. So if your student has a learning

00:11:42.720 disability or any disability, there is a degree to which you are called to remedy and try to bring

00:11:48.680 that weakness to a perfection to some extent. You don't just say, oh, you have this. This is

00:11:53.540 how you're always going to have to deal with it. There's no change at all. We're called to

00:11:57.960 perfection both morally, spiritually, and physically. So that's one thing to keep in

00:12:04.700 mind is when you're looking at the learning process and a student has a learning disability,

00:12:08.560 you're called to that perfection. The other beautiful thing that brought me so much hope

00:12:14.640 when I was thinking about this is that even if a student has a learning disability or a severe

00:12:19.440 intellectual disability where there's not even a way for us to tell how much that individual

00:12:23.740 understands, there's no limitation because the intellect is seated in the soul. There's no

00:12:30.440 limitation to how much God can directly reveal to that soul. So an example of St. Joseph Cupertino

00:12:38.060 where he was only able to memorize the first chapter of St. John for his examinations and

00:12:43.900 that's who everyone prays to when they're going through exams. But he would have had some sort

00:12:48.440 of disability in his life. And yet God gave him all the knowledge that he needed in order to be

00:12:54.060 a saint. Another example that I love to use is St. Joan of Arc, who would not have had a learning

00:12:58.600 disability, but she was 100% illiterate, didn't even know how to write her name. And yet when

00:13:03.180 she was in her inquisition, she was able to refute every single argument that they brought against

00:13:08.400 her. And these are, you know, high prelates of the church who had studied for years, were not able

00:13:13.500 to defeat any of her arguments. So those are two examples of God revealing directly to that

00:13:18.580 individual any of the knowledge that he needs them to know in order to be saints, which I think is

00:13:23.500 important for us to keep in mind. But then when you go back to the natural way of coming to know

00:13:28.500 God, there's that call to perfection. And the learning process is very important, not only for

00:13:33.840 those with learning disabilities, but for everyone in general. You have to make sure you're building

00:13:38.620 your imagination, you have to make sure that you're not just clouding your imagination with

00:13:44.260 ugly images from the internet and from video games and movies and all these different things

00:13:49.180 that kids are being exposed to now. But it also points to how we learn, which is through our

00:13:54.280 senses and through our imagination, primarily, again, naturally speaking, not supernaturally

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00:14:40.360 Tell us one of your favorite stories, one of your favorite success stories. You've worked with

00:14:44.080 hundreds of students probably, and a lot of them probably suffer from these kinds of disabilities.

00:14:50.640 Walk us through one of your favorite stories. I would say there's two. The first one is the

00:14:56.000 story about the two high schoolers where I was able to help them understand a component of their

00:15:00.700 faith. And that was phenomenal because I'm not an apologist. I'm not one of those people who can go

00:15:06.860 out and just, you know, whip up an argument. So this is a way in which I see myself helping others

00:15:13.480 come to know God. And it was, it was so beautiful to see them truly understand a component of their

00:15:18.260 faith. And that's probably the moment that stands out the most. But there was another moment with a

00:15:25.660 different high schooler. So we work with students as young as six all the way up to college, but

00:15:29.580 these were the two moments that really stood out to me. I'll add a third, but, um, another one was,

00:15:35.780 uh, high schooler where she came to class sobbing. It was, she was so sad because she had been

00:15:44.200 humiliated in front of her other class because she was not working hard enough in her Latin,

00:15:49.560 um, oddly enough. And so it was a priest who was telling her she was just lazy,

00:15:54.340 couldn't do it so we spent the entire class we used the prayer of saint thomas aquinas and we

00:16:00.440 broke it down and i walked her through the different steps you know praying for illumination

00:16:04.840 knowing that we're not perfect i don't remember all of the different parts of that prayer at this

00:16:09.280 point but she was able to see herself in a dignified way again and then she went on she

00:16:15.240 had struggles with comprehension and struggles with imagination but she went on to get a's and

00:16:21.680 bees in college after that. So that was a beautiful story where she was really struggling as a high

00:16:26.720 schooler. There was a moment where she was just completely humiliated and we were able to walk

00:16:33.880 through those different steps of how we come to learn the role that our guardian angel plays in

00:16:38.260 that and the role that grace plays in that. And it completely turned her world around when we

00:16:44.220 talked about that. So that was a really, really beautiful moment that I'm lucky to have been part

00:16:48.920 and then there was another student who had much more significant learning disabilities

00:16:53.300 and his mom told me at one point because there were challenging classes he was he was a challenging

00:17:00.000 student to work with um but his mom told me at one point that when he had to do anything hard

00:17:05.900 he would imagine himself as David slaying Goliath so any anytime he had to do something challenging

00:17:11.200 he evoked that image in order to inspire him to do better so again it just shows how woven

00:17:18.680 together prayer faith and learning are and it's just been a privilege to be part of the lives of

00:17:27.460 those students and see them grow so yeah what advice would you have for moms and dads who are

00:17:34.960 facing this with their own young children where can they go to get help from you advice yeah so

00:17:40.640 I would say first of all if your student is struggling and if you've just gotten a diagnosis

00:17:45.120 or anything like that, I would say that this is not the end of the road. It's the beginning of a

00:17:50.760 journey. And it might look different than what the parents are envisioning, but it doesn't mean that

00:17:55.200 it's going to be miserable the whole time. So I would say, think of it as the beginning of a

00:18:00.800 journey. I would also tell parents, a lot of parents feel guilt that it's their fault that

00:18:06.220 their student is this way. And I would say, don't put that on yourself. There may be times when that

00:18:11.500 is the case with parents, but a lot of students are struggling with this just from how God made

00:18:17.060 them, which is something that we have to accept. God gave each of us a cross to carry. And when we

00:18:23.920 accept it with love, it will bear good fruits. And so that's where parents can be the Simon of

00:18:29.140 Cyrene and walk with their students. It's not always going to be easy, let's put it that way,

00:18:34.960 but it's going to, God is going to bear good fruits from any of the sufferings that are

00:18:40.400 offered up. So I would say, again, it's not the end of the road. It's the beginning of a journey.

00:18:45.480 And then if parents are interested in reaching out for support, they can reach out to us at

00:18:50.680 Secret Garden Educational Pathways. And if we're not the right fit, we try to direct parents in

00:18:56.300 the right directions so that they know where to look for the proper support. Because with each

00:19:01.940 student, there's going to be various different needs and there's not going to be one size fits

00:19:06.500 all for everyone. So we make sure that we try to direct families in other areas. Another area that

00:19:13.580 or way that families can support themselves, I just came out with a book, which I'm very excited

00:19:19.080 about, called A Catholic Approach to Literacy for Struggling Students. It is designed for students

00:19:25.040 who are struggling with literacy and language-based learning disabilities, but it's applicable for any

00:19:30.640 parents or educators who want to know how a person comes to learn. So going in more depth than

00:19:36.420 what I briefly explained here. It goes into a lot more depth with regards to the philosophy and

00:19:41.400 theology behind that. And then there are a lot of practical tips and advice throughout there

00:19:45.600 towards the end. And it's just, it's phenomenal working, working in this field. So we're happy

00:19:50.480 to help anyone who needs it. Beautiful. Speaking of practical advice, that's going to be one that

00:19:54.920 I'm sure a lot of parents will want to know. How do we get our kids to a Latin mass? How do we, 1.00

00:20:02.500 learning disabled or non-learning disabled, it doesn't matter because it's, I think it's

00:20:06.340 going to be pretty similar they want to go it's not in english i don't understand it i'd rather 0.66

00:20:10.640 go where i can understand what's going on i would say what do we do uh the same advice i give to

00:20:15.660 anyone going to lat mass for the first time go probably to a high mass where there's music

00:20:20.280 because the music is going to facilitate that prayer and then go with the intention not of

00:20:25.240 participating in the way that a lot of catholics believe they need to participate in the mass like

00:20:29.560 knowing all the responses knowing each part of the mass and the prayers um kind of praying along

00:20:35.760 with the priest. The priest is the minister praying on our behalf. So he's doing a job that

00:20:40.360 we don't need to necessarily help him with. So for students, bring them to the mass and allow them

00:20:46.560 that space to just kneel there in prayer, I would say. That's the first step is just expose yourself

00:20:55.380 to it. Something that is unfamiliar is going to feel strange and sometimes scary at first.

00:21:01.020 um but the more you become familiar and for some people they go to the latin mass or the

00:21:07.040 byzantine rite and they fall in love with it the first time because they see the reverence and the

00:21:10.560 devotion and they can they can see what beauty is there is a real beauty that is contained there

00:21:16.380 that is hard to ignore but i would say go and attend and just be okay with kneeling in prayer

00:21:22.980 and not necessarily knowing everything right away then as you become familiar with it that's when you

00:21:27.540 can go and purchase different books that explain the different parts of the mass because it is

00:21:32.800 important at a certain point to understand what is happening in the mass so that you can pray

00:21:37.600 appropriately at the different points, the offertory, the canon, all those different parts

00:21:43.420 of the mass. So I would say, yes, expose yourself, be okay with not actively being involved in every

00:21:52.300 part of it, and then learn how to pray better through literature and materials that you can

00:21:58.080 explain to your students. The other thing that I would say is, especially for students with

00:22:03.060 learning disabilities, I feel like a lot of curriculum take information and content and

00:22:08.900 dumb it down. They think that, oh, these students are not going to be able to understand this,

00:22:11.960 so we need to make it easier and more accessible. When it comes to matters of the faith, especially

00:22:16.340 given the students that I've worked with and met, there are certain tenets of the faith that they

00:22:20.760 hold on to stronger than anyone else I've ever met. And that's where I would say never hold back

00:22:26.600 when it comes to the matters of the faith. Never try to dumb it down, get easier catechism

00:22:32.140 or like cartoon saint stories. Never make it juvenile, less rich. You can read stories of

00:22:40.000 the saints. You can read the Bible to your students. You can take them to Latin mass or

00:22:44.020 Byzantine rite. You can bring them to God and God will fill in for the rest, especially when it 0.99

00:22:50.040 comes to matters of the faith and again I speak from experience here it's not research proven or

00:22:54.740 anything but anecdotes of students who have struggled significantly to understand other

00:22:59.620 parts of their education in school grasp onto pieces of the faith and hold on to those stronger

00:23:06.140 than anyone else I've ever seen and so if that's a fear of parents I would say that's a fear that

00:23:10.840 they no longer need to be afraid of is that their student won't understand because again

00:23:15.560 if you go to the Latin Mass, you're going to see the reverence physically. Other people are going

00:23:24.060 to be physically praying with greater reverence around you. I remember going on the Sharp

00:23:28.820 pilgrimage in France and for the first time and seeing the reverence and devotion with which

00:23:34.640 the thousands of Catholics around me were praying really, really struck me. And so that's just a

00:23:41.560 personal experience of that, but your students are going to have that same experience to some

00:23:46.840 extent where they're going to see the examples of those around them and be immersed in this

00:23:52.940 beautiful prayer and be able to pray without necessarily knowing the words yet.

00:23:57.240 One last thing I want to touch on with you, and that is the danger of secular care in the same

00:24:04.980 field in which you work. I have a background in psych myself, and it was one of the most 0.51

00:24:11.640 nefarious fields on earth for inculcation of nonsense in people. There's all sorts of stuff

00:24:17.960 going on in the adult psychology world that is, frankly, seemingly demonic. But even in the area

00:24:25.660 of treating children with learning disabilities, you see all sorts of agendas at play. Tell us

00:24:32.300 about that and what parents need to look forward to and to avoid? Yeah, I'm so thankful you asked

00:24:36.800 that question. That was another reason why I started Secret Garden is because I didn't ever

00:24:41.480 want families to feel like they had to turn towards a secular clinic or the public schools to

00:24:45.660 receive support for their students. It's a really sad reality that we have right now.

00:24:52.000 There are a lot of good teachers out there in secular clinics. There are a lot of questionable

00:24:56.640 individuals who work in those secular clinics and questionable content. And when you're working

00:25:04.200 with students who have a learning disability, they are more vulnerable because they are looking

00:25:08.280 for approval. When you're looking for approval, you will seek it anywhere and in whatever way.

00:25:13.800 And so if your students are interacting with those who may not have the best morals, if there

00:25:20.080 are different situations where they have to draw a moral conclusion from a story, those individuals

00:25:24.320 may not be able to help your students see what's true and real. And in my mind, there's a danger of

00:25:30.520 individuals who should not be working with children who are in the education field who

00:25:35.520 could potentially prey on children. And that's a very dark reality. Again, there are many wonderful

00:25:40.980 teachers where this would not even cross their minds, but there are individuals out there who

00:25:46.040 could prey on students who are vulnerable at this state. And so I would say if parents are turning

00:25:51.800 to local resources and they want to ensure that their student is receiving appropriate education,

00:25:58.300 I would first of all, make sure you meet the person that your student is working with. When I

00:26:03.880 was at the secular clinic, the parents would drop the students off for four to six hours a day and

00:26:08.580 leave and just assume that their students were working with appropriate individuals when they

00:26:14.060 were not. And I interacted with some of my colleagues who were probably should not have

00:26:18.460 been working with children so make sure you know your teacher meet your teacher when you're working

00:26:24.600 with them if if you're working with someone who's more secular and then I would definitely ask to

00:26:30.840 look at some of the materials as well because that's where a lot of agenda can come in I'm

00:26:36.200 doing an audit right now in a school district where we're looking at some of the materials and

00:26:39.740 a lot of the reading resources are focused on following rules social awareness um how people

00:26:49.020 fit within different social and cultural structures and things like that where again a lot of ideology

00:26:54.880 can creep in and this is a education right now is definitely a battlefront that we're fighting with

00:27:01.900 regards to the spiritual warfare right now because it's such there's so much ideology that is being

00:27:07.820 pushed on children, which is not okay. They should not be the victims in this battle that we are

00:27:16.560 fighting. And those of us who are adults need to make sure that we try to protect our children as

00:27:20.720 much as possible. So yeah, I would just make sure you meet the teachers that your student is working

00:27:27.060 with and you look at the materials to make sure that they're appropriate and don't have hidden

00:27:32.520 agendas in them because that is something that comes part and parcel to some extent with secular

00:27:37.700 clinics and public schools, even though there could be great people working there. So hopefully

00:27:42.640 that helps families out there. It does indeed. Margaret Walsh, thank you so much for joining us.

00:27:47.440 Go check out her work at Secret Garden Educational Pathways. God bless you. Thank you. God bless you.

00:27:53.440 And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

00:28:07.700 and God bless you.

The John-Henry Westen Show - July 15, 2026

Diagnosis to Vocation ｜ Your Child's Learning Disability Is Not a Barrier to Holiness

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