The John-Henry Westen Show - Did Benedict Really Resign？ The Canonical Case That Won't Go Away

00:00:00.000 Pope Benedict XVI did not actually give up the papacy because he only gave up its active duties,

00:00:06.560 not the office itself. Since the papacy can't be split into parts,

00:00:10.760 that attempt doesn't work, so his resignation would be invalid.

00:00:17.420 If you feed these five provable premises into any AI, they will all declare that Benedict XVI's

00:00:26.200 resignation was invalid. Well, I know that sounds really weird, but we're going to get to it. Let's

00:00:32.160 begin as we always do with the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of

00:00:36.860 the Holy Ghost. Amen. So a few months ago at Sign of the Cross Media, we broke the story that the

00:00:43.380 Vatican Criminal Court was investigating the claim that Pope Benedict XVI's resignation was invalid

00:00:48.660 based on the petition to the court submitted by canon lawyers of a longtime well-known Vatican

00:00:55.200 journalist named Andrea Scianchi. The acceptance of this case by the court showed that there was

00:01:02.300 at least some modicum of possibility of such a claim. And so I've looked into it more than I

00:01:08.920 ever have before. I reviewed statements from faithful and God-fearing Catholics who risked

00:01:14.560 everything to warn openly of what they truly believed was an anti-pope in Francis and then

00:01:21.760 subsequently in Leo. Men like Archbishop Rene Grasida, who just died. Archbishop Jan Pavalenga,

00:01:30.640 the former superior of Archbishop Athanasius Schneider. Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò,

00:01:37.520 who suffered a pronouncement of exorcism for this very thing. The famous Fatima priest,

00:01:42.620 Father Nicholas Gruner. Italian well-known Father Giorgio Maria Fari. Dr. Edward Maza.

00:01:50.660 Patrick Coffin.

00:01:51.820 Basically, the thesis of Benedict's resignation being invalid stems from his failure to resign

00:01:58.400 properly.

00:01:59.060 Whether or not he failed to do it properly was his intent or if it was unintentional,

00:02:05.520 that's a key question, but it's actually beyond the point.

00:02:10.040 And here is the central point.

00:02:12.520 Canon law requires that in order to resign the papal office, the munis, in Latin, the

00:02:18.760 office, it must be resigned. So Canon 332, number two, says that the Pope must renounce his munis

00:02:29.980 for the resignation to be legal and complete. The munis is the actual papal office itself,

00:02:36.620 the permanent job title, if you will, of being the Pope, the full authority and role given by God.

00:02:44.760 In Benedict's official resignation document, the Latin language Declaratio from the 11th of February in 2013, he wrote that he was renouncing his ministerium, not his munis.

00:02:58.880 The ministerium is the active work, the day-to-day exercise of governing.

00:03:04.420 So that the claim that these many faithful Catholics are making, high-ranking Catholics, who again risked everything for this, is that Benedict only said, I resign from doing the day-to-day work of the Pope, ministerium, but he never said, I quit being the Pope, the Munis.

00:03:22.860 Therefore, under the exact wording of Canon 332, number two, the resignation was not properly done and is invalid.

00:03:34.420 Now, the weirdest part of this is that twice in his Latin document, he actually talks about

00:03:43.220 the munis, the munis petronum, the Petrine office, which is the actual office of the

00:03:51.020 Pope, which he was supposed to resign if he wanted to resign.

00:03:54.340 But when he actually declares the resignation in the essential line, he says, and I'll quote

00:04:01.240 it for you in the Latin, declaro me ministerio renunciare. I declare that I renounce the ministry.

00:04:09.080 So basically, he used the wrong word. And it is posited that the legal requirement of canon 332

00:04:18.380 was never met. Benedict kept the munis, the office, they say. He stepped back only from

00:04:25.260 the ministerium, the act of exercise. And therefore, he remained the true Pope in a hidden or impeded

00:04:33.060 way, or just by the fact that he didn't do it properly, which means he made a substantial error,

00:04:40.500 but he's still the Pope. You might say the easy explanation for this is that his Latin was not

00:04:46.460 up to scratch. The problem is there's a massive difficulty with that suggestion.

00:04:51.780 He was one of the world's greatest Latin scholars.

00:04:56.880 Joseph Ratzinger, who later became Benedict XVI, had his formal classical education in Latin from the age of 10.

00:05:06.220 It was pre-1945. Ratzinger attended the classical gymnasium, the high school, in Traunstein, where the curriculum centered on Latin and Greek as core subjects.

00:05:18.780 He began this classical training at age 10 and he excelled in it.

00:05:23.760 And you can check out the fact that he excelled in it in his own biography from 2008.

00:05:30.560 It says he begins classes at the local gymnasium for classical languages where he studies Latin and Greek.

00:05:39.360 Go check it out.

00:05:40.300 It's in his official 2008 biography.

00:05:43.480 Also, in his doctoral and postdoctoral work, they required advanced Latin scholarship.

00:05:50.600 His 1953 doctoral thesis, The People and the House of God in St. Augustine's Doctrine of the Church,

00:05:58.280 involved deep engagement with St. Augustine's Latin texts and required writing and scholarly work

00:06:05.880 in the academic Latin tradition of German theological faculties at the time.

00:06:11.920 Joseph Ratzinger's 1957 habilitation thesis, The Theology of History in St. Bonaventure, analyzed 13th century Latin theological sources.

00:06:23.440 Both were accepted at German universities where Latin proficiency was mandatory for theology professors.

00:06:31.580 And you can check that out in the Vatican's own testament.

00:06:34.660 In fact, Benedict's own 2005 testament, it said,

00:06:38.240 my doctoral dissertation was about the notion of the people of God in St. Augustine. My postdoctoral

00:06:44.460 work was about St. Bonaventure. Generally, our formation was historically oriented. And that's

00:06:51.840 from the Vatican's own recount of his in 2005 at the time of his election. Then in the New Yorker

00:06:59.740 magazine in 2005, the time of his election again, they said this about him. And I quote,

00:07:06.380 The young Ratzinger wrote his doctoral dissertation on St. Augustine's ideas.

00:07:13.060 He became an excellent Latinist, which proved important when he was a theological consultant

00:07:20.620 at the Second Vatican Council, where Latin was the official language.

00:07:26.460 End quote.

00:07:27.580 And you can go check that out from July 25th in 2005, New Yorker magazine.

00:07:33.080 Go to what the New Yorker said.

00:07:34.380 he was a paritus that's an expert at the second vatican council from 1962 to 65 and latin was

00:07:42.580 the working language as a theological expert or paritus to cardinal joseph frings ratzinger

00:07:50.120 participated in drafting and debating the second vatican council documents entirely in latin he

00:07:57.220 prepared latin schemas he worked fluently in the language during sessions and you can go check that

00:08:03.300 out that there's articles all over the place that describe this. Again, you can get another

00:08:08.560 appreciation for this from his reputation as a Latinist while Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation

00:08:16.780 for the Doctrine of Faith, which ran from 1981 till his election to Pope in 2005. As head of

00:08:25.940 the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, he routinely oversaw, corrected, and issued official

00:08:31.260 documents in Latin. A 2010 article notes that interpretations of his Latin documents required

00:08:39.800 precise linguistic analysis. All of these things you can verify. I'll put them in my notes for my

00:08:46.940 blog post on this. But beyond all of this, it's Benedict's own assessment of his own Latin,

00:08:56.340 which you can read in the quintessential biography

00:09:00.740 which happened after his resignation

00:09:03.780 with his longtime friend, Peta Seewald.

00:09:08.280 So asked why he wrote the Declaration in Latin,

00:09:12.140 the plope explained, and I quote,

00:09:14.800 Latin is the language that I have so mastered

00:09:17.980 that I can write in it properly.

00:09:20.800 I could have written it in Italian,

00:09:22.700 but with the danger that there would be a couple of mistakes in it. End quote. Okay, so he was one

00:09:31.660 of the world's greatest Latinists. Some people will say, but maybe he didn't have time to write

00:09:38.420 the declaratio properly. Unfortunately, that's also not true because we know right away that

00:09:46.080 Georg Ratzinger, Father Ratzinger, Benedict's brother, knew for several months and confirmed

00:09:52.220 benedict's long consideration i'll quote it for you he said the quote this is from the newspaper

00:09:57.520 his brother told the dpa news agency that the pope had begun to find walking difficult and had

00:10:05.440 been considering stepping down for months end quote you can go check that out one source i'll

00:10:10.240 leave in my blog post global news from an ap report 11th of february 2013 so secondly you have

00:10:16.800 the vatican spokesman father federico lombardi at the time he said and i quote it took months to

00:10:24.420 decide it was not improvised and you can get that over at my blog the link to it but the source was

00:10:31.040 cnn also from february 11th 2013 then you can get it the same news also from the observatory romano

00:10:40.720 the official vatican newspaper the decision made and i quote nearly a year ago it says and that's

00:10:49.680 the official vatican newspaper for you so you have all of this evidence showing us that indeed the

00:10:55.420 decision was made long before and he had weeks to write it this is kind of incredible life site news

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00:11:54.060 Another claim could be, is he losing his mind?

00:11:58.240 So some might say maybe Benedict was just losing his mind altogether.

00:12:03.440 And even though he thought his Latin was still up for the task, in reality, he was losing his

00:12:08.700 mind and needed to resign. And this error was just more proof of that very fact that he needed to

00:12:14.140 resign. That doesn't work either. Most of us know he spent years afterward still functioning.

00:12:22.840 But even at the time, you have this incredible testimony. It's an explanation from lifelong

00:12:30.380 Vatican watcher, Phil Lawler. He's known for his Catholic culture blog. And in his article titled

00:12:37.080 The Real Story Behind the Pope's Resignation, which was issued on February 15th of 2013,

00:12:44.660 Phil Lawler wrote this, and I quote, has there been any evidence at all that Pope Benedict is

00:12:50.300 losing his mental acuity? Absolutely not. Just this week at a Thursday afternoon meeting with

00:12:57.540 priests of the rome diocese the holy father apologized for not having a prepared address

00:13:04.260 and then extemporaneously delivered a cogent well-organized and fascinating 45 minute talk

00:13:13.740 on the interpretation of vatican ii he remains a brilliant analyst preacher and teacher

00:13:20.860 go check that out from phil lawler at the time in order to find an explanation we have to dig

00:13:27.460 deeper into this resignation, which has caused so much controversy. The only explanation for

00:13:34.140 Benedict XVI failing to resign properly seems to be his belief that in some way he could retain the

00:13:41.420 papacy. It is, in fact, what he said. The main texts of this postulation come from Archbishop

00:13:49.840 Georg Ganswein, who is Benedict XVI's longtime personal secretary and prefect of the papal

00:13:56.140 household. In a May 20th, 2016 speech at the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome, and I'll

00:14:03.480 give you the full link to the full talk, which was in German, it was during this presentation of a

00:14:08.880 book on Benedict's pontificate, Archbishop Gensfein explicitly described Benedict's 2013

00:14:15.180 resignation as creating, and I quote, a new situation in the papacy. He said there's an

00:14:22.540 expanded or quasi-shared patron ministry with two complementary parts, one active, and that

00:14:30.280 meant Pope Francis, and one contemplative, meaning Benedict himself. He stated that Benedict had not

00:14:37.180 abandoned the ministry he accepted in 2005, even while stepping aside from active governance.

00:14:44.140 This is the closest thing to an open description of what critics call a bifurcation or split or dual aspect of the papacy with Benedict retaining a contemplative or prayer-based share of the papacy.

00:15:02.180 That speech, by the way, May 20th, 2016.

00:15:06.220 And again, you can get the full link to the full text over at my blog post.

00:15:12.340 Genswein says, this is why Benedict XVI has not given up either his name, i.e. the papal name,

00:15:19.960 Benedict XVI, or the white cassock. This is why the correct name by which to address him,

00:15:26.540 even today, that's post, this is 2016 now, is your holiness, which is the title reserved for

00:15:32.860 the Pope. And this is also why he has not retired to a secluded monastery, but is within the

00:15:39.080 Vatican. Benedict himself confirmed it. He described his resignation as resigning only the

00:15:45.340 active exercise of the ministry. While remaining bound, as he said, always and forever to the

00:15:51.900 patron office in a new way, through prayer being in the enclosure of Saint Peter. It's basically

00:15:58.060 the same thing that Gensfein himself said. Now let me give you his words. The real gravity of

00:16:04.380 the decision that's the decision to resign was also due to the fact that from that moment on

00:16:09.920 i was engaged always and forever by the lord always anyone who accepts the patron ministry

00:16:17.500 no longer has any privacy he belongs always and completely to everyone to the whole church

00:16:23.900 the always is also a forever there can be no longer there can no longer be he says

00:16:30.560 a return to the private sphere. My decision to resign the active exercise of the ministry does

00:16:36.760 not revoke this. I no longer bear the power of office for the governance of the church,

00:16:42.860 but in the service of prayer, I remain, so to speak, in the enclosure of St. Peter. St. Benedict,

00:16:49.860 whose name I bear as Pope, will be a great example for me in this. He showed us the way

00:16:57.240 for a life which whether active or passive is completely given over to the work of god end

00:17:03.880 quote we have to understand that this just doesn't work there can't be two popes there can't be a

00:17:11.740 bifurcation of the office so the pope is a singular office christ himself instituted the petrine

00:17:18.680 primacy as part of the divine plan for the church it's not just a ecclesiastical arrangement why

00:17:26.060 didn't he for instance make all the apostles popes he didn't he made peter the first pope

00:17:32.460 vatican one the document pastor eternus from 1870 if you look at chapters one to two the council

00:17:40.840 solemnly defines that and i quote the primacy of jurisdiction over the whole church of god

00:17:46.980 was immediately and directly promised and given to blessed peter the apostle by christ the lord

00:17:53.700 It is singular in that, and you can tell this, it's uniquely given to one man.

00:18:00.140 The office was given by Christ to Peter alone, not to the College of Cardinals, not to the

00:18:05.660 College of the Apostles, or to multiple persons.

00:18:08.880 Why not, for instance, to John, the beloved apostle?

00:18:12.380 Nope.

00:18:13.160 In fact, the Code of Canon Law, at number 331, the bishop of the Roman Church, in whom

00:18:19.540 constitutes the office that's the munis given by the lord uniquely it says or you could translate

00:18:26.780 that singularly to peter the first of the apostles and to be transmitted to his successors you have

00:18:34.540 this idea from the church that it is always a singular office it's given to one person it can't

00:18:42.500 be two. Even the second Vatican II document, Lumen Gentium, says just as the office granted

00:18:50.020 individually to Peter, the first among the apostles, is permanent and is to be transmitted

00:18:57.040 to his successors. In the Bible, you'll read Matthew 16, 18-19, and John 21, 15-17. They use

00:19:07.400 the singular you when christ gives the keys and the command to feed the flock to peter alone after

00:19:16.820 all that we've now proved the different premises that you can feed into ai to get this answer

00:19:24.580 here's the prompt that i used you're an expert in ecclesiastical latin canon law and the catholic

00:19:31.380 dogmatic theology. Base your entire analysis on the following premises. Do not introduce any

00:19:38.240 external considerations or additional principles beyond these premises. And here are the premises

00:19:43.700 that I used. Number one, Benedict XVI was one of the greatest Latinists of the 20th and 21st

00:19:50.660 centuries. Number two, Benedict XVI had many months to prepare the Declaratio. Number three,

00:19:58.100 In the Declaratio, he deliberately chose to renounce only the ministerium or ministry of the Bishop of Rome while explicitly discussing the Munis Petronum earlier in the text.

00:20:11.640 He did not renounce the Munis.

00:20:13.860 Number four, the Petrine office or Munis is one, singular and indivisible.

00:20:19.440 And number five, Canon 188 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law states, and I quote,

00:20:27.340 A resignation made out of grave fear that is inflicted unjustly or out of malice or

00:20:34.220 substantial error or simony is invalid by the law itself.

00:20:39.760 Remember, substantial error is in there.

00:20:42.760 So all that stuff about thinking to bifurcate the office, if that was why he did it, that

00:20:47.600 would be a substantial error and would also invalidate.

00:20:49.920 But back to our AI prompt.

00:20:51.400 Then I ask the AI, perform a step-by-step canonical and theological analysis strictly

00:20:57.840 within the framework of these premises, analyze the implications of premise three in light

00:21:04.060 of premises four and five for the validity of the resignation, and then state the conclusion

00:21:10.480 follows from these premises regarding the validity of the 2013 resignation and the status

00:21:19.440 of all subsequent claimants to the papacy, Francis and later Leo. And here's what you get from two

00:21:27.440 AI bots that I checked. From chat GPT first, the conclusion. From these premises alone, the following

00:21:34.340 conclusion follows. The 2013 resignation is invalid. Pope Benedict XVI retained the munus

00:21:41.740 petronum, that's the papal office. Three, the apostolic see was therefore not truly vacant. Four,

00:21:47.840 the election of Pope Francis and any subsequent claimants would lack a valid juridical foundation.

00:21:55.860 In simple terms, if those premises are all taken as true, Pope Benedict XVI did not actually give

00:22:03.320 up the papacy because he only gave up its active duties, not the office itself. Since the papacy

00:22:09.760 can't be split into parts, that attempt doesn't work, so his resignation would be invalid. That

00:22:16.920 means the papal office was never truly empty. Therefore, Pope Francis and any later popes

00:22:23.620 would not be valid popes under those assumptions. And that was from ChatGPT. When I fed it into

00:22:29.980 Grok, here's what I got. From the foregoing analysis, which rests exclusively on the five 0.54

00:22:36.440 premises supplied, the 2013 resignation is canonically and theologically invalid. Benedict

00:22:42.880 the 16th remained the true and sole pope of the catholic church until his death all subsequent

00:22:48.900 claimants to the papacy francis and any later popes are not and never were legitimate successors

00:22:56.100 of peter they possess no canonical or theological title to the petrine office go try it yourself

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The John-Henry Westen Show - June 24, 2026

Did Benedict Really Resign？ The Canonical Case That Won't Go Away

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