The John-Henry Westen Show - December 22, 2023


DISCOVER： A miracle seen by millions & witness the power of prayer


Episode Stats

Length

22 minutes

Words per Minute

163.82591

Word Count

3,630

Sentence Count

178

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary

Dr. Mike Willisey is an Australian journalist, writer, and documentary maker who has spent the last 20 years investigating whether God is an interventionist God. In this episode, he talks about his work as a journalist and how he became interested in the idea of God intervening in our world.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 We seem to have lost this concept that God might intervene and there may be able to be
00:00:07.640 verifiable information to be able to tell it's happened.
00:00:14.460 Is God an interventionist God?
00:00:16.860 Does he step into this world, hear prayers and act in the way, in other cases, like he
00:00:23.460 did with this priest?
00:00:24.520 And then I began to study more about whether God does intervene, like the story of Fatima
00:00:31.120 as a lawyer looking back.
00:00:33.480 You know, I couldn't believe that this claim of 70,000 people witnessed some most colossal
00:00:38.640 events since the time of Christ's resurrection occurring in our times, and no one's talking
00:00:42.900 about it.
00:00:43.420 And why?
00:00:44.020 Is there something about the witness's testimony that was failing?
00:00:48.160 Why doesn't the church talk about it?
00:00:49.840 And that concerned me that we seem to have lost this concept that God might intervene
00:00:56.140 and there may be able to be verifiable information to be able to tell it's happened.
00:01:02.440 So I then began to study cases that have claimed mystical phenomena in our world today.
00:01:09.180 And with science advances the way it has, we were able to look at things in a more detailed
00:01:14.520 way than they would have been done before.
00:01:17.360 And so when there were claims of people having apparitions, I wanted to know what happens
00:01:22.720 in their brain.
00:01:23.440 Why are they seeing things that we don't see?
00:01:26.640 Why are they hearing things that we don't hear?
00:01:28.740 Is the brain acting in an abnormal sort of way to reflect this behavior?
00:01:34.660 So then it went on from there to other things.
00:01:37.200 I heard about the statue of Christ crying and bleeding in Bolivia.
00:01:41.460 And, you know, no one ever takes these things seriously.
00:01:43.760 They think that perhaps, you know, this is all just a hoax.
00:01:46.980 And that's the mainstream media's view.
00:01:49.240 But the question was, have we used the best of science to be able to examine what the claim
00:01:55.500 is?
00:01:56.280 Is it blood?
00:01:57.420 Does it have genetic material?
00:02:00.220 I mean, that story of the statue, which you know about from my book and from my documentaries,
00:02:04.360 is an incredible story.
00:02:05.720 And it's part of a mosaic of things that have happened in recent times that all have a meaning.
00:02:10.400 But the most important story, I think, that we did, well, there's two very important stories,
00:02:15.880 which we'll come to later, namely the Eucharistic miracle of Buenos Aires, which I was privileged
00:02:20.940 to have been able to do the investigation on for now 20 years.
00:02:25.300 But when it came to this story of mystics and whether God is intervening in our world,
00:02:31.840 I was introduced to a person in Bolivia called Carta Rivas.
00:02:34.920 She claimed to have been receiving messages from Jesus, and she claimed to have had the
00:02:39.720 stigmata.
00:02:41.200 I interviewed her.
00:02:42.620 I was impressed by her.
00:02:44.340 I interviewed her, a spiritual director.
00:02:46.900 And I got some footage of when she had the stigmata on a previous occasion.
00:02:52.880 I looked at that.
00:02:53.800 I interviewed the witnesses who were there.
00:02:55.700 And I thought, this sounds like a plausible story.
00:02:58.640 I, you know, back in Australia, I am the lawyer for, was the lawyer for, now he's passed away.
00:03:06.460 The Australia's most notable, for instance, most notable investigative journalist, who's
00:03:12.780 like, was a household name in this country for many years.
00:03:16.360 What he said, people believed in.
00:03:18.380 He was regarded as being the man you've got when you've got a difficult story and you want
00:03:23.000 to find the truth.
00:03:23.740 Now, I approached him with this story of what was happening in Bolivia with this person.
00:03:30.060 And his reaction was, look, he wasn't even prepared to look at the footage.
00:03:33.240 He said, look, these things don't happen.
00:03:35.620 You know, he says, I've done stories like this.
00:03:37.380 There's always another explanation.
00:03:40.000 You know, these things just don't happen.
00:03:42.600 I said, Mike, you, and that is personal name, Mike Willisey.
00:03:46.500 Everyone in Australia knows him.
00:03:47.880 He said to me, you know, these things don't happen.
00:03:50.400 And I said to him, you know, you've got a reputation for being able to present a story
00:03:55.980 based upon your examination and you present the truth.
00:03:59.880 Here, you don't even want to look at the evidence and you proffer an explanation.
00:04:04.380 How many other stories in your journalistic career have you treated that way?
00:04:09.900 And I said, why don't you at least look at the facts and then tell me what you think?
00:04:15.220 And I said, better still, prove me wrong.
00:04:17.120 Well, that struck a spark in him.
00:04:20.440 He decided, I've got to check this thing out.
00:04:23.420 So he came with me to Bolivia and I introduced him to this person.
00:04:28.580 While we were there, you know, Jesus relates, speaks to her.
00:04:33.400 And this is something that's hard to believe.
00:04:36.740 And I might just interpose this thing, you know.
00:04:39.480 You know, we look at the history of the saints, you know, in our Catholic history,
00:04:43.680 and we see people like St. Catherine of Siena, Padre Pio, St. Francis.
00:04:49.220 And they've had extraordinary experiences.
00:04:52.500 And we often think to ourselves, wouldn't it have been great to have been there in those times
00:04:57.400 to see these people, to witness what they experience,
00:05:01.800 to see what happens when Jesus or God the Father is right at dictating to St. Catherine of Siena,
00:05:08.060 volumes of profound theology, which ended up being something that cured the church of its time.
00:05:15.060 But I've been able to do this with this modern dynasty, film it, as she's been receiving dictation,
00:05:22.380 with messages to humanity of the same calibre as St. Catherine of Siena.
00:05:27.960 But at this stage, I introduced Mike Willissey to her, and she says through her to this journalist,
00:05:36.960 Mike, I've given you many talents, and I want you to use them for me.
00:05:42.880 I want a program made.
00:05:44.660 And he explained more about that program.
00:05:47.820 And he says, Cathy will have the stigmata, not today.
00:05:51.620 It will happen in two months' time, on the day after the Feast of Corpus Christi.
00:05:56.140 Now, can you imagine this?
00:05:57.980 We're actually filming someone predicting they're going to have the stigmata.
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00:08:43.500 They also say what an army of intercessors that would be for us,
00:08:49.080 both to end the culture of death,
00:08:50.800 but also to help us in our current struggles that we have in the world today.
00:08:54.860 So this prayer of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.
00:09:02.000 First of all, give us the prayer if you could, Matt,
00:09:03.600 and then tell us a little bit about it.
00:09:05.840 So it goes something,
00:09:07.420 so this is from the Archdiocese of New York's website,
00:09:09.840 the Respect Life office.
00:09:11.380 Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, I love you very much.
00:09:13.500 I bet you spare the life of,
00:09:14.980 and you can either pick a name or just say
00:09:16.820 the unborn baby that I've spiritually adopted
00:09:18.840 who is in danger of abortion.
00:09:20.840 There's a couple different ways you could do this prayer.
00:09:23.600 I mean, you could do it over nine months,
00:09:24.900 so every month representing nine months of pregnancy.
00:09:27.780 So if you start it now,
00:09:29.440 you know, we get to Christmas,
00:09:30.540 it'll be the ninth month,
00:09:31.600 or you could do it as a novena.
00:09:34.180 And this prayer is basically you're spiritually adopting a baby
00:09:37.820 that is in danger of abortion.
00:09:41.000 Should we be so blessed to,
00:09:42.780 you know, achieve eternal salvation,
00:09:46.560 maybe we would get to know, of course,
00:09:48.680 what our works benefited and perhaps get to meet those babies
00:09:52.240 we spiritually adopted.
00:09:54.560 And so this is Bishop Fulton Sheen,
00:09:57.520 one of the great, relatively recent Catholic leaders.
00:10:03.460 And actually, when I was in grade school,
00:10:04.740 I used to do this.
00:10:05.300 My religion teacher was a distant relative
00:10:06.940 of Bishop Fulton Sheen.
00:10:09.040 And the church I go to now,
00:10:10.960 they have binders full of all of the spiritually adopted babies
00:10:15.040 that their parish has done going back years
00:10:19.320 in a little shrine with Mary.
00:10:21.960 And so it's just quite beautiful,
00:10:23.800 this dedication to saving babies from abortion,
00:10:28.060 because even if the Supreme Court,
00:10:29.520 even though the Supreme Court made a great decision in June,
00:10:31.420 there's still plenty of work to do here,
00:10:32.920 and of course, across the world
00:10:34.220 to end the violence of abortion.
00:10:37.720 Indeed so.
00:10:38.620 Now, people might wonder,
00:10:41.060 is there official teaching?
00:10:42.780 Because this comes up to a rather controversial thing
00:10:47.040 in the church.
00:10:48.060 What happens to babies when aborted?
00:10:52.380 And it's sort of a question left unanswered.
00:10:55.800 What's your understanding of the church's teaching on that?
00:10:58.560 It's a gray area.
00:11:00.800 My understanding is that the idea of limbo
00:11:03.220 has not necessarily been abolished.
00:11:05.620 We can, so it's up in the air.
00:11:09.940 Some would say, well,
00:11:10.520 is it a form of baptism of desire
00:11:12.240 in the same way of if there was a Protestant
00:11:14.300 who was converting and was, let's say,
00:11:17.360 killed the day before Easter vigil?
00:11:19.400 Well, he had the desire to become a baptized,
00:11:22.340 or he had the desire to enter the Catholic Church.
00:11:26.140 It's one of those things we don't really,
00:11:27.580 won't really know, I guess,
00:11:28.620 until the end of time.
00:11:30.640 We can feel confident that a baby who died,
00:11:35.860 of course, no baby could really die
00:11:37.180 through their own fault,
00:11:38.680 would not suffer.
00:11:40.400 And I think we can trust in God
00:11:41.900 that he would take care of the littlest of ones
00:11:44.740 in whatever form that is.
00:11:48.020 Now, just so that people understand,
00:11:49.680 limbo is a place of total happiness,
00:11:52.980 but it's not the full union,
00:11:55.300 the beatific vision with God
00:11:56.700 that is experienced by the saints and angels in heaven.
00:11:59.600 So there is a very much qualitative difference there.
00:12:03.620 There is an argument,
00:12:04.900 and it's been made quite forcefully.
00:12:06.680 It was in discussion in Rome
00:12:08.220 already over a decade ago,
00:12:10.440 but it was the comparison of the babies
00:12:14.780 who died in Christ's stead, you might say,
00:12:18.980 when the Holy Family had to flee to Egypt.
00:12:23.520 The decree went out from Herod
00:12:24.960 to kill all the little babies,
00:12:26.740 two years old and under, male babies.
00:12:28.700 And that got executed.
00:12:31.960 And so hundreds or maybe more
00:12:34.240 of these little babies were killed.
00:12:37.200 We regard them as saints.
00:12:38.700 On December 28th,
00:12:39.680 we celebrate the Feast of the Holy Innocents
00:12:42.000 and regard all those children as saints.
00:12:44.440 So the argument has been made
00:12:45.880 that, you know,
00:12:47.580 all these unborn children
00:12:48.960 are in a very similar way saints.
00:12:53.240 And the move was,
00:12:55.580 the request was of this group
00:12:57.500 that's pushing forward this cause
00:12:58.920 to have them declared such.
00:13:02.660 And one of the, you know,
00:13:04.160 this is, of course,
00:13:04.980 what the main argument is,
00:13:07.120 the comparison to the Holy Innocents.
00:13:10.180 And they also say,
00:13:13.360 what an army of intercessors
00:13:15.200 that would be for us,
00:13:17.600 both to end the culture of death,
00:13:19.280 but also to help us
00:13:20.260 in our current struggles
00:13:22.160 that we have in the world today.
00:13:23.820 Your take on that?
00:13:24.900 Yeah, that's a great way
00:13:25.780 to think about it.
00:13:27.280 I'm actually rereading the notes
00:13:28.700 of St. Therese.
00:13:30.600 And she prayed to her,
00:13:33.280 she had lost several siblings
00:13:34.500 before she was born.
00:13:35.320 She was, of course,
00:13:35.680 the last one of her parents.
00:13:37.220 And she had prayed
00:13:37.960 to those lost siblings.
00:13:40.100 And I don't know
00:13:40.620 that all of them were baptized.
00:13:41.980 I guess if they were baptized,
00:13:42.900 they'd be in heaven.
00:13:44.080 And she prayed to them
00:13:45.140 to overcome her scruples.
00:13:46.480 And that helped.
00:13:47.740 And I believe there actually
00:13:48.540 is an unborn,
00:13:49.640 a preborn baby
00:13:50.740 who is part of a family
00:13:51.880 who's up for canonization.
00:13:53.900 So it's an interesting cause.
00:13:55.540 I actually didn't know about that.
00:13:56.980 But of course,
00:13:57.660 the Feast of the Holy Innocents
00:13:59.520 does in some way affirm
00:14:00.600 the idea that they are in heaven
00:14:02.320 if they can intercede for us.
00:14:04.540 So that's a beautiful cause.
00:14:05.880 I actually didn't know about that.
00:14:07.300 But I'd be happy to see
00:14:09.180 how that turns out.
00:14:10.600 Indeed.
00:14:11.260 And that is practice.
00:14:12.440 A lot of people
00:14:13.220 who have miscarried babies,
00:14:16.000 they're unable to,
00:14:17.260 you know,
00:14:17.540 we've had three ourselves.
00:14:20.180 And the intent
00:14:22.540 is there in a huge way.
00:14:24.620 All we want to do
00:14:25.420 with our children
00:14:25.880 is give them to our Lord.
00:14:27.560 It was our greatest desire
00:14:28.700 to have our babies,
00:14:30.540 baptize them.
00:14:31.600 And even should
00:14:32.460 they all have died,
00:14:34.040 you know,
00:14:35.420 the eight living children
00:14:36.480 we have.
00:14:37.600 It would have been
00:14:38.480 our greatest joy
00:14:39.340 to baptize them
00:14:39.940 and give them to the Lord.
00:14:41.260 So, you know,
00:14:42.800 that desire
00:14:43.980 is there
00:14:45.140 in spades
00:14:46.940 in terms of the parents
00:14:48.280 wanting to,
00:14:49.160 you know,
00:14:50.000 baptize their children.
00:14:50.980 And when they die in utero,
00:14:52.640 early or
00:14:53.460 unable to baptize anyway,
00:14:55.820 you know,
00:14:57.100 there's a lot of hope.
00:14:58.180 And a lot of these parents,
00:14:59.820 us included,
00:15:01.060 give names
00:15:01.680 to their unborn children
00:15:03.460 who they lose in utero
00:15:04.500 and encourage their children,
00:15:07.620 living children,
00:15:08.360 to use their intercession.
00:15:10.460 And I think
00:15:11.160 that's a beautiful practice.
00:15:12.160 I know it's a gray area,
00:15:13.760 but surely our Lord
00:15:15.760 looks after these little ones
00:15:17.000 whom he has called to himself
00:15:18.800 because,
00:15:19.400 you know,
00:15:20.160 in the cases of miscarriage,
00:15:22.440 that's not,
00:15:23.640 you know,
00:15:24.280 anyone's doing
00:15:25.520 but the Lord's.
00:15:26.160 The Lord's seen fit to that.
00:15:28.100 Praise be the Lord.
00:15:29.620 And while it's a cross,
00:15:31.940 I think that cross
00:15:33.240 is alleviated
00:15:34.340 and the reality mitigated
00:15:38.040 by the intercession
00:15:39.460 of your little ones.
00:15:42.340 Hey, my friends,
00:15:43.060 are you still looking
00:15:43.700 for a Christmas gift
00:15:44.480 for that someone special
00:15:45.320 on your list
00:15:45.800 who seems to have everything?
00:15:47.080 Well, I've got something for you.
00:15:48.320 We've got these
00:15:49.080 beautiful silver rounds.
00:15:50.600 They're one ounce
00:15:51.120 of pure silver.
00:15:52.300 And on it is,
00:15:53.420 of course,
00:15:53.800 a picture of LifeSite
00:15:55.060 commemorating our 25th
00:15:56.140 anniversary,
00:15:56.580 but also the anniversary
00:15:57.680 of the overturning
00:15:58.400 of Roe v. Wade.
00:15:59.620 Perfect little gift
00:16:00.760 for that person
00:16:01.380 on your list
00:16:01.840 who has everything.
00:16:02.500 God bless you.
00:16:05.160 God has stepped
00:16:05.940 into our world
00:16:06.820 and said something.
00:16:08.860 Only God could do
00:16:10.180 what we saw.
00:16:12.140 No human being
00:16:13.020 that I'm aware of
00:16:14.260 can replicate
00:16:15.480 that event.
00:16:16.180 We were there
00:16:20.440 with the cameras rolling.
00:16:23.440 Probably the best
00:16:24.300 of Australian
00:16:24.800 60 minutes
00:16:25.820 cameraman
00:16:26.400 and sound man
00:16:27.220 in the room.
00:16:28.280 I'd instructed
00:16:29.160 the cameraman
00:16:29.740 to click his camera
00:16:31.200 to real time,
00:16:32.160 not tape time,
00:16:33.220 so that we could
00:16:34.340 analyse afterwards
00:16:35.560 exactly what happened
00:16:37.180 in what time
00:16:37.980 over the period
00:16:38.800 because your camera
00:16:39.860 wouldn't have been
00:16:40.280 rolling for three hours
00:16:41.200 constantly
00:16:42.400 if there'd be breaks,
00:16:43.120 but we wanted to be able
00:16:44.040 to look at the progression.
00:16:45.800 There were others
00:16:46.260 in the room
00:16:46.640 and the stigmata
00:16:48.980 began
00:16:49.660 around about 12 noon.
00:16:51.860 Little tiny dots
00:16:52.940 appeared first
00:16:54.040 around the forehead region
00:16:55.600 as if they were
00:16:56.420 punchy winds and thorns.
00:16:58.520 Then a punch mark
00:16:59.960 appears on the face
00:17:01.040 and then from the fingers
00:17:02.920 to the hands
00:17:03.620 small red dots
00:17:05.140 you see
00:17:05.520 and then they progressively
00:17:07.160 grew in size
00:17:08.380 as the time went on
00:17:09.720 and in sympathy
00:17:10.680 with each other
00:17:11.380 and on the feet
00:17:12.360 top and bottom
00:17:13.320 and if you look
00:17:14.440 at the footage
00:17:15.100 that I presented
00:17:15.780 in my book
00:17:16.460 and on the documentary
00:17:17.220 you will see
00:17:18.400 that these wounds
00:17:19.760 are just not surface wounds
00:17:21.080 they're deep.
00:17:22.620 They look as if
00:17:24.040 a bolt has been
00:17:25.320 driven through those hands
00:17:26.540 and during the course
00:17:28.420 of her
00:17:29.680 she demonstrated
00:17:31.240 or exhibited
00:17:31.620 the signs
00:17:32.220 of what those
00:17:33.000 those pains
00:17:33.660 were doing to her
00:17:34.360 and almost to the
00:17:35.760 point of death.
00:17:36.900 It was an amazing
00:17:39.040 experience for everyone
00:17:40.040 to see.
00:17:40.940 Then the wounds
00:17:41.980 began to heal.
00:17:43.320 By the next morning
00:17:44.960 the wounds
00:17:46.160 had completely healed
00:17:47.280 beyond what science
00:17:49.100 could ever explain
00:17:49.820 or medical opinion
00:17:50.780 could say
00:17:51.360 they were completely gone.
00:17:53.080 Normally it would take
00:17:53.780 six weeks to a month
00:17:55.320 for you know
00:17:57.120 if you cut yourself
00:17:57.680 and it's quite deep
00:17:59.500 it doesn't disappear
00:18:00.460 by the next morning.
00:18:02.140 So all of these things
00:18:03.420 that occurred
00:18:04.140 in that experience
00:18:05.320 and it had quite an effect
00:18:07.340 as it was shown
00:18:07.980 to about 30 odd million
00:18:09.100 29 million people
00:18:10.240 throughout the United States.
00:18:11.720 but the interesting thing
00:18:13.160 is at the end
00:18:13.740 of that stigmata
00:18:14.640 Jesus gave her
00:18:15.800 a message
00:18:16.120 and said
00:18:16.660 I've committed
00:18:18.040 this to happen
00:18:18.880 so that you may
00:18:20.400 show the world
00:18:21.180 what I suffered
00:18:22.000 in my passion.
00:18:23.940 And when you
00:18:24.560 wind back
00:18:25.200 and think about
00:18:26.020 what has happened
00:18:27.120 God has stepped
00:18:29.020 into our world
00:18:29.900 and said something
00:18:31.060 only God
00:18:32.580 could do
00:18:33.260 what we saw.
00:18:35.240 No human being
00:18:36.100 that I'm aware of
00:18:37.320 can replicate
00:18:38.560 that event
00:18:39.280 to say
00:18:40.340 someone could say
00:18:42.340 I'm going to have
00:18:43.020 this stigmata
00:18:43.540 in two months time
00:18:44.480 you can fill me now
00:18:46.060 and fill me then
00:18:46.740 have it there
00:18:47.400 where you go
00:18:47.900 and then
00:18:48.820 have the wounds
00:18:50.420 of the crucifixion
00:18:51.280 appear
00:18:51.700 in the exact locations
00:18:53.840 of Christ's crucifixion
00:18:55.860 with the degree
00:18:56.960 the depth
00:18:57.560 the impact
00:18:58.580 that each of those wounds
00:18:59.640 had
00:18:59.880 and for them
00:19:00.520 to disappear.
00:19:01.200 So
00:19:02.540 God was working
00:19:04.220 and we know
00:19:05.660 that
00:19:06.000 God is not beyond
00:19:07.780 stepping into our world
00:19:08.860 to tell us something
00:19:09.660 from time to time.
00:19:11.260 The interesting thing
00:19:12.240 about what's happened
00:19:13.120 the person
00:19:15.120 who was
00:19:15.880 crucified
00:19:16.720 2,000 years
00:19:18.520 and died
00:19:19.380 is talking
00:19:20.660 to someone
00:19:21.180 today
00:19:21.780 and saying
00:19:23.120 I'm going to let you
00:19:23.980 experience
00:19:24.800 and erase from the dead
00:19:26.060 according to
00:19:27.020 our beliefs
00:19:27.900 is appearing
00:19:29.000 to someone today
00:19:29.760 and telling them
00:19:30.500 I'm going to allow you
00:19:31.900 to experience
00:19:32.980 what I experience
00:19:33.720 and I want to show
00:19:34.380 the world
00:19:34.960 what I've done
00:19:35.980 what's happened
00:19:36.760 so that you will
00:19:37.700 believe in me
00:19:38.480 a very powerful experience
00:19:40.680 now
00:19:40.920 my friend
00:19:41.940 the journalist
00:19:42.680 he was
00:19:44.560 placed
00:19:45.400 almost in that position
00:19:46.580 as Thomas was
00:19:47.800 when Jesus
00:19:49.000 appeared to his
00:19:49.640 apostles
00:19:50.060 in that room
00:19:50.720 after the resurrection
00:19:51.560 Thomas didn't believe
00:19:54.140 so
00:19:54.760 the following week
00:19:56.180 he calls Thomas in
00:19:57.020 okay Thomas
00:19:58.240 have a look here
00:19:58.960 he touches
00:20:00.440 those wounds
00:20:01.260 and proclaims
00:20:02.880 my Lord
00:20:03.660 and my God
00:20:04.340 he knew
00:20:05.340 that he'd been killed
00:20:06.420 on a Friday
00:20:07.340 he knew
00:20:08.160 that he was there
00:20:08.820 alive
00:20:09.220 he could see
00:20:09.960 the evidence
00:20:10.600 of what they did
00:20:11.500 to him
00:20:11.860 and he was able
00:20:12.660 to touch them
00:20:13.520 the world
00:20:14.940 was given
00:20:15.420 the opportunity
00:20:16.060 to be in that
00:20:16.640 same room
00:20:17.240 with Thomas
00:20:17.800 in that experience
00:20:19.020 and my friend
00:20:19.980 Mike Willis
00:20:20.500 he also
00:20:21.020 because after that
00:20:22.820 he also
00:20:24.340 proclaimed
00:20:24.880 my Lord
00:20:25.500 and my God
00:20:26.040 it changed
00:20:26.880 his life
00:20:27.500 you know
00:20:27.960 how they'd say
00:20:28.540 from the fruit
00:20:29.340 you shall know
00:20:30.000 them
00:20:30.260 this story
00:20:31.840 this story
00:20:32.280 the passion
00:20:32.880 of Christ
00:20:33.780 exhibited in the
00:20:34.360 stigmata
00:20:34.780 like that
00:20:35.260 is one of those
00:20:37.540 events
00:20:37.940 we've seen
00:20:39.560 stories of this
00:20:40.480 stigmata
00:20:40.900 back in St. Francis's
00:20:42.120 time
00:20:42.460 Padre Pio's time
00:20:43.740 but never been able
00:20:45.820 to carry forward
00:20:46.720 that experience
00:20:47.480 to the real world
00:20:48.820 today
00:20:49.280 with the
00:20:50.220 ammunition
00:20:51.040 that we have
00:20:51.580 today
00:20:51.820 to be able
00:20:52.280 to present
00:20:52.960 to the world
00:20:53.940 through television
00:20:54.720 this story
00:20:55.840 it was a
00:20:56.960 major story
00:20:57.780 it goes to
00:20:59.520 the credibility
00:21:00.120 of this person
00:21:01.040 in many ways
00:21:02.700 and it's only
00:21:03.140 just one mosaic
00:21:04.120 in the full
00:21:05.360 picture of this
00:21:06.380 person
00:21:06.760 so it was a
00:21:08.400 very important
00:21:08.880 story for us
00:21:09.640 and for my
00:21:10.080 journalist friend
00:21:10.800 now this
00:21:11.640 journalist
00:21:12.080 who decided
00:21:13.820 that God
00:21:14.340 wasn't real
00:21:14.900 in his life
00:21:15.420 after that
00:21:16.060 event
00:21:16.340 joined me
00:21:18.400 for 20
00:21:19.000 years
00:21:19.560 working on
00:21:20.700 stories
00:21:21.200 of presenting
00:21:23.000 my book
00:21:23.380 and the
00:21:23.580 documentaries
00:21:24.020 he became
00:21:25.700 an active
00:21:26.660 assistant
00:21:27.420 in trying
00:21:28.360 to tell
00:21:28.800 the reality
00:21:29.340 of these
00:21:29.700 stories
00:21:30.000 that God
00:21:30.420 is intervening
00:21:31.480 in our world
00:21:31.920 today
00:21:32.280 and for a reason
00:21:33.260 but it's a
00:21:34.960 great and
00:21:36.580 powerful story
00:21:37.600 a first in
00:21:39.000 human history
00:21:39.640 to my knowledge
00:21:40.620 if someone else
00:21:41.400 can present
00:21:41.880 a similar thing
00:21:42.920 I'd be keen
00:21:43.720 to know about it
00:21:44.420 and to follow it up
00:21:54.020 what would be more
00:22:05.480 if it isn't
00:22:06.120 or that
00:22:06.820 or that
00:22:07.720 you
00:22:08.240 know
00:22:08.860 you