The John-Henry Westen Show - Elon Musk and his family of 12 MUST become Catholic ｜ here's why

00:00:00.000 I vowed to destroy the woke mind virus after that.

00:00:06.700 And we're making some progress.

00:00:10.340 Join the club.

00:00:11.560 Yeah.

00:00:13.100 Wow.

00:00:13.760 Did you catch that part of the interview Jordan Peterson did with Elon Musk for the Daily Wire?

00:00:18.760 I just had a chance to watch it myself.

00:00:20.360 I know it's a month old, but I've just got to review it here for you because it's so astounding.

00:00:24.140 First of all, did you know that Elon Musk had 12 kids, 12 children?

00:00:28.140 I want to say in this video, he needs to be Catholic, but he's got 12 children already.

00:00:32.780 My goodness.

00:00:33.280 Not by the same mom.

00:00:34.000 Yes, we know that.

00:00:34.700 But anyway, he's got 12 children.

00:00:36.440 So did you catch that long stare when Elon Musk was talking about the woke mind virus with

00:00:45.400 Peterson?

00:00:46.140 I mean, just stunning.

00:00:47.980 And in addition to that, you have that look of determination.

00:00:52.080 If anyone's got a chance of destroying the woke mind virus, it's Elon Musk.

00:00:57.300 But he's got no chance of doing it unless he takes one important step first.

00:01:02.740 And you know what that step is.

00:01:04.520 He's got to become a Catholic.

00:01:07.280 This is a special episode of the John Henry Weston Show, a special message for Elon Musk

00:01:12.500 himself on the only way which he can fulfill his vow.

00:01:18.100 You're not going to want to miss this one.

00:01:19.440 Stay tuned.

00:01:19.760 It happened to one of my older boys, where I was essentially tricked into signing documents

00:01:40.500 for one of my older boys, Xavier.

00:01:46.220 This is before I had really any understanding of what was going on.

00:01:48.660 And we had COVID going on.

00:01:50.440 And so there was a lot of confusion.

00:01:52.920 You know, I was told, oh, you know, Xavier might commit suicide if he did.

00:01:56.380 That was a lie right from the outset?

00:01:58.440 You know, it wasn't explained to me that puberty blockers are actually just sterilization drugs.

00:02:05.100 So, anyway.

00:02:10.640 And so I lost my son, essentially.

00:02:13.740 So, you know, they call it dead naming for a reason.

00:02:18.140 Yeah, I...

00:02:18.440 All right, so the reason it's called dead naming is because your son is dead.

00:02:26.280 So my son, Xavier, is dead.

00:02:28.860 Killed by the woke mind virus.

00:02:30.500 I vowed to destroy the woke mind virus after that.

00:02:33.580 That was an amazingly powerful part of the interview.

00:02:37.020 And we're going to begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:02:39.300 But with this sign of the cross, would you join me in praying for Elon Musk for his conversion

00:02:45.080 to the Catholic faith?

00:02:46.360 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:02:52.640 Amen.

00:02:54.900 LifeSite News and other outlets have covered this interview in depth already about a month ago.

00:03:00.840 But a few important things have happened since then.

00:03:05.380 Elon Musk has shown that he is taking seriously what he said.

00:03:09.840 He shut down his offices in Brazil because of censorship.

00:03:14.400 Musk really isn't afraid of walking away when his values are at stake.

00:03:21.260 But now, we're going to look at the interview in a different way.

00:03:26.980 This is going to be a special message for Elon Musk himself.

00:03:31.340 And it's about the only way which he can fulfill this vow to destroy the woke mind virus.

00:03:37.780 And it's by becoming a Catholic.

00:03:41.620 Mr. Musk, Elon.

00:03:44.160 You said a lot of very interesting things in that interview.

00:03:48.120 But none as moving and as powerful as that.

00:03:52.960 We at LifeSite News are so sorry for the loss you described.

00:03:57.520 I'm here to give you what you need in your crusade for justice to avenge what you called the death of your son, Xavier, following his so-called gender transition.

00:04:11.820 I guess, in light of that, people can understand better why you took Gavin Newsom's controversial student gender identity law so seriously to the point of closing X or Twitter and SpaceX's headquarters in California.

00:04:28.060 Let's see what you said in that interview.

00:04:29.960 I mean, you said you're going to move a couple of your company headquarters out of California because of the last legislative move.

00:04:36.760 He knew that ahead of time.

00:04:37.820 Well, I mean, going back to the so-called gender-affirming care, which is a terrible euphemism.

00:04:45.940 That's for sure.

00:04:47.780 It's really a child sterilization is what it should be. 0.98

00:04:53.320 No, there's mutilation, too.

00:04:55.680 Mutilation? 0.87

00:04:56.240 Yeah, well, we want to make sure that that amalgam is...

00:04:58.620 Sure, sure, fair enough.

00:04:59.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:59.800 It's child mutilation, it's our sterilization. 0.94

00:05:02.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:02.940 Under the guise of gender-affirming care and compassion.

00:05:06.120 Right.

00:05:06.560 Right, right.

00:05:07.440 I can't...

00:05:08.080 It's evil.

00:05:08.720 I literally can't imagine anything worse than that.

00:05:11.280 I couldn't have said it any better.

00:05:12.840 It's evil.

00:05:15.020 But, Elon, the fact is, we can't fight evil on our own.

00:05:19.740 Many people have already noticed this.

00:05:22.360 People like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and others.

00:05:25.220 They've already noticed that we're in a spiritual battle here.

00:05:30.100 And the evil we're up against, it's not just bad men.

00:05:33.740 It's actual spiritual evil.

00:05:35.920 It's demonic.

00:05:36.500 In fact, given your personal passion about the transgender movement, take a look at what Candace Owens has to say about its links with Satanism.

00:05:47.860 Watch.

00:05:48.120 The point is that Baphomet is a sabbatic goat, a deity, first drawn up by a man named Eliphas Levi, who was born in 1810 in France.

00:05:59.060 Now, Levi was an occultist.

00:06:01.320 He wrote books on dark magic and the Kabbalah.

00:06:04.540 I'll let you take a listen to this exorcist, Daniel Rehill, who sat down with Michael Knowles for an interview.

00:06:10.660 Take a listen.

00:06:11.040 So, when we talked about the transgender, I don't know if you know this, but one of the ancient images of Satan is Baphomet.

00:06:18.340 Yeah.

00:06:18.820 Okay, what is Baphomet?

00:06:20.900 So, he's got the goat head, he's got the women's torso with the breasts, and the man's down below. 0.98

00:06:28.920 So, that's not a new thing. 0.81

00:06:31.620 So, imagine, the devil, he identifies as transgender as that image. 1.00

00:06:37.760 Candice goes on to say, as is common knowledge, that Satanists worship Satan under the guise and name of Baphomet, the transgender goat devil, that they do so with horrible sexual rituals.

00:06:53.080 She plays some clips of Hollywood and music celebrities talking about the grotesque things they had to do in relation to this Baphomet devil in order to get where they are today. 0.95

00:07:04.660 This is why she adds this.

00:07:06.660 Listen.

00:07:06.880 What I can tell you for certain, right now, if you are not awake to the fact that we are once again in a very severe spiritual battle, and I am talking about angels versus demons, let me tell you something.

00:07:20.800 If you are fighting demons without recognizing that they are, in fact, demons, then it's the figurative knife to the gunfight.

00:07:29.120 You are bringing a knife to a gunfight.

00:07:31.100 They have used decades of psychology, education, Hollywood idols, and scientific theories of evolution and enlightenment to draw us further and further from the truth.

00:07:43.500 But I have faith.

00:07:44.380 I have faith.

00:07:45.120 Because we are openly talking about these topics.

00:07:47.760 I think everybody is recognizing that the evil just seems to be more in our face than ever before.

00:07:52.600 And I think this time the angels are going to win.

00:07:56.760 Elon, is this news to you?

00:07:58.380 Perhaps it is.

00:07:59.680 But I must say, it's pretty strange to hear you talking about the evil of what the trans movement is doing to your children.

00:08:06.980 When your own profile picture outfit is you in a Halloween costume from 2022, that red suit of armor emblazoned with an image of Satan as a goat-headed transgender demon, not to mention the upside-down cross on the back. 0.94

00:08:23.520 But perhaps it was a joke for you.

00:08:26.280 Perhaps you haven't been aware of Baphomet and haven't really considered the demonic aspect of the evil you want to fight in this world.

00:08:33.180 But as the richest man in the world, or potentially the richest man, in a truly unique situation, you would have to be very naive to think that the devil isn't aware of you and delighted to see you in such a costume, even if it was just for Halloween.

00:08:53.220 Let me assure you, transgender Baphomet doesn't want the good of your son Xavier. 1.00

00:08:59.780 He doesn't want to help you avenge him or use your considerable power, wealth, and skills to destroy the woke mind virus. 0.92

00:09:09.620 The true God can do all that and much more.

00:09:14.600 But there's more that the true God has to offer you.

00:09:19.680 The true God who loves you, Elon Musk.

00:09:22.660 He loves you very much and he loves your children and he wants to see the best for you and for your children.

00:09:27.240 It was clear in that interview and throughout your career that you have this amazing thirst for truth and understanding.

00:09:36.260 You've been truly blessed by God with an amazing intelligence and industry like almost no one else on earth.

00:09:43.860 The true God has the power to offer you all of that and to affirm and confirm every good in what you already think and believe and to provide help for the questions and answers that have driven your lifelong quest for truth.

00:10:01.400 Before I explain, let's hear again what you said to Peterson about what your own philosophy or religion is.

00:10:10.800 Well, I mean, I should perhaps go back to what is the foundation of my philosophy.

00:10:15.560 Because that I think helps build up, you know, to explain my actions.

00:10:25.940 So when I was, I don't know, about 11 or 12 years old, I had somewhat of an existential crisis because there just didn't seem to be any meaning in the world.

00:10:41.140 Like I had no meaning to life. And so I actually read, try to read all the religious texts.

00:10:49.540 At that age?

00:10:50.660 Yes. I'm just trying to figure out, does anyone have an answer that makes sense?

00:10:55.920 And then I started getting into the philosophy books and I read quite a bit of Schopenhauer and Nietzsche.

00:11:03.920 And none of them really seemed to have, to me, answers that resonated, at least to me.

00:11:12.060 And so, but then I read Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is really a book on philosophy disguised as humor.

00:11:20.340 And what Douglas Adams, the point that Adams tries to make there is that we don't actually know all the answers, obviously.

00:11:27.760 Yeah.

00:11:28.060 In fact, we don't even know what the right questions are to ask.

00:11:31.160 It seems to me that you were intimating that your discovery through Adams, that the question was the thing, was key to the resolution of your existential crisis.

00:11:39.940 That's correct.

00:11:40.920 Okay. So that's part of the reason that you're motivated to, say, build Grok 3 and look in, look deeper.

00:11:46.760 To understand.

00:11:48.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:48.860 To understand the universe.

00:11:49.680 Okay. So once, how old were you when you figured that, when you figured out that the question...

00:11:53.700 I think 13 or something.

00:11:54.920 What did that do to you?

00:11:55.980 Maybe 14.

00:11:56.300 What did that do to you?

00:11:57.240 Well, I was a lot happier after that, because now it's like, okay, well, I'm just going to accept that we are ignorant of a great many things.

00:12:06.100 Yeah. 0.92

00:12:06.300 And we wish to be less ignorant. And anything we can do that will improve our understanding of the universe and make us less ignorant and have a deeper understanding of the universe and even what questions to answer, to ask about the answer to that as the universe, which is, I think, Adams' central point, is good.

00:12:26.700 And that was good enough to resolve that crisis.

00:12:28.900 It was. It was for me, at least.

00:12:30.760 Yeah.

00:12:31.260 And so, like, is this a religion? I don't know. Maybe it is. But I think it's a good one. I'd call it the religion of curiosity.

00:12:37.980 It seems that there are few people in the public eye who have such humility.

00:12:43.620 When it comes to the understanding of the universe, it's much more typical to hear people like Richard Dawkins, who came up in that debate, talking as if science has the capacity to explain everything in the world.

00:12:56.820 Let's take a listen to what Dawkins said about a similar question.

00:13:00.280 I think that the world is explained fully by science or will be explained fully by science. There is no evidence for any kind of supernatural being of any kind. And so that it goes against the spirit of science to put your trust in the supernatural when the natural explanation is there and so much more fun and so much more exciting and so much more interesting.

00:13:24.280 Even though you say that, still people believe.

00:13:27.620 Well, a lot of people don't know the facts. A lot of people are simply ignorant of science. And that's no fault of theirs. It's probably the fault of us scientists. 0.54

00:13:35.500 Did you catch that he contradicted himself a few times there? The world is explained fully by science, but actually isn't fully explained yet. The natural explanation is there and it's more fun and exciting than anything supernatural.

00:13:49.060 Except it isn't actually there yet, but it will be one day.

00:13:52.020 Religious people don't believe this because they don't know the facts and are ignorant of what actually hasn't been found yet. 0.84

00:14:00.460 And all they have to do is trust that one day this complete naturalistic explanation will arrive.

00:14:07.480 Okay, Professor, thank you for that.

00:14:10.820 Elon, compared to such pride, not to mention silliness,

00:14:15.580 your humility in the face of the great questions of the universe is really edifying.

00:14:20.440 And it's the right disposition to have.

00:14:23.700 If you read the Bible as Peterson was quoting to you, you'll read a section in there about the Blessed Virgin Mary, the mother of Jesus.

00:14:31.760 And she says,

00:14:33.520 My soul magnifies the Lord, my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has regarded the humility of his handmaid.

00:14:39.720 She attributes God giving her Jesus because of her humility.

00:14:45.040 And you have that amazing quality.

00:14:48.880 We have to be careful, though, about humility, not to let it go too far the other way.

00:14:54.520 We can never really be too humble.

00:14:57.360 But intellectual humility itself can become distorted and lead us into absolute agnosticism and skepticism,

00:15:04.060 in which we refuse to ever accept that we've found or can find the right questions and the right answers.

00:15:13.080 I found your response to Peterson's question here very interesting,

00:15:16.860 because you sort of agreed with him, but then quietly but firmly corrected him.

00:15:23.600 Let's listen again.

00:15:24.520 And so you figured out that the question, in a sense, was the answer.

00:15:30.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:31.020 The question, or, you know, I said another way that seeking greater enlightenment

00:15:37.240 and a better understanding of the universe and what questions to ask about it

00:15:41.920 is something that we can continue to do as a civilization for a very long time.

00:15:50.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:50.740 Likely forever.

00:15:52.060 Right.

00:15:52.840 Exactly.

00:15:53.240 Depending on how powerful Grok turns out to be.

00:15:56.080 Yeah.

00:15:57.080 So that's, so then I thought, okay, I'll work on things that improve our understanding of the universe.

00:16:06.060 Something similar happened later on about the idea of adventure.

00:16:09.860 And you corrected him again on this idea of whether it's better to journey or arrive.

00:16:15.960 Listen.

00:16:16.720 Now, you like your kids and you're content with them, I presume, what you're playing.

00:16:21.260 But the way that you found meaning in your life is not through contentment.

00:16:26.020 It's through adventure.

00:16:26.900 That seems to me the case, to be the case.

00:16:29.920 Well, it's not adventure for the sake purely of adventure.

00:16:33.560 I do like adventure.

00:16:34.080 Right.

00:16:34.240 But, for example, a lot of people find happiness and contentment with adventure like climbing tall mountains or hiking along trails, doing, going, you know, exploring the wilderness and that kind of thing.

00:16:49.460 And I've never really found, personally, found it compelling to, say, climb Mount Everest.

00:16:58.600 Yeah.

00:17:00.620 You're doing it conceptually.

00:17:02.720 Conceptually and from a knowledge standpoint.

00:17:04.340 Yeah.

00:17:04.720 Knowledge Mount Everest.

00:17:06.320 Right.

00:17:06.800 So, it's adventure with a destination in mind, right?

00:17:11.000 And you already described the destination.

00:17:12.900 It's further deep understanding.

00:17:14.880 Yes.

00:17:15.360 To deepen our understanding of the nature of the universe.

00:17:19.100 At one point in your interview with Peterson, he seems to think that you were lapsing into agnosticism, as if it were impossible to ever actually find the truth.

00:17:28.900 As you rightly said, our seemingly unstoppable potential to go on finding new questions to ask about the universe doesn't mean that we can never find definitive answers for these questions.

00:17:42.640 My own namesake, Cardinal John Henry Newman, the great 19th century English convert, summed it up like this, and I quote,

00:17:50.200 Skepticism is the refusal to be satisfied with reasons which ought to satisfy.

00:17:55.280 To be skeptical is to be unreasonable, end quote.

00:18:00.500 And Aristotle said also, and I quote,

00:18:04.820 It is the mark of an educated man to look for precision in each class of things, just so far as the nature of the subject admits, end quote.

00:18:15.020 What he meant by that, he said, is that we should expect mathematical certainty when dealing with mathematics.

00:18:20.660 But it would be foolish to look for that kind of certainty when dealing with subjects that simply don't admit of that kind of certainty,

00:18:28.260 and to treat mathematical certainty as the only kind of certainty there is.

00:18:33.140 And this doesn't just apply to little questions about things that are measurable under the microscope.

00:18:38.060 We can have certainty about even the biggest questions there are, like, why am I here?

00:18:45.480 Who and what made me?

00:18:47.340 Why did he make me?

00:18:49.580 Why is the world so full of evil?

00:18:52.500 Why are each of us so full of evil?

00:18:54.900 And what can be done about it?

00:18:56.420 This isn't, perhaps, the time to go into great depths, perhaps, in explaining how it is that we can know that these things are indeed the right questions,

00:19:08.080 nor what the questions are, or how we know them.

00:19:11.540 But we can answer them a little bit.

00:19:14.640 Elon, God made you.

00:19:17.420 God, whom the great philosophers have shown with certainty,

00:19:20.480 who is the Supreme Spirit,

00:19:22.960 who alone is self-existent and necessary,

00:19:26.000 who is infinite in all perfections.

00:19:28.440 These philosophers prove that this God is the creator of all things,

00:19:33.680 that he is a person rather than some abstract force,

00:19:37.120 that he is good and loves us, loves you,

00:19:41.220 loves your son, Xavier,

00:19:43.220 and everyone else in that position.

00:19:46.140 He loves your whole family.

00:19:48.800 Why do you exist?

00:19:50.480 You exist because he made you to know him.

00:19:54.000 He made you to know him and thereby to love him and to serve him in this life

00:19:58.580 so that you can be happy with him forever in the next life after we die.

00:20:03.740 Why is this world so full of evil?

00:20:06.200 Going back to Newman again, John Henry Newman,

00:20:09.700 he made the very striking comment that all the evil in the world can only be explained in two ways.

00:20:16.420 Either there is no God and no meaning,

00:20:18.740 or mankind is estranged from God,

00:20:21.800 our race having been implicated in some terrible aboriginal calamity. 0.99

00:20:28.840 But we know that there is indeed a God,

00:20:31.880 the one supreme God who is perfect and good.

00:20:34.400 Therefore, the existence of evil in the world is because our race is out of joint with the purposes of its creator.

00:20:43.780 And that again is a quote from Newman.

00:20:45.100 That's why John Henry Newman actually says that even apart from revelation,

00:20:52.980 this fact of man's estrangement from God, what we call original sin,

00:20:57.020 is, and I quote,

00:20:58.280 almost as certain as that the world exists and as the existence of God, end quote.

00:21:03.860 And remember, so far, we're not even really talking about religion.

00:21:09.920 At least, not in terms of any kind of supernatural revelation.

00:21:14.200 We're still in the realms of philosophy and what we can know from philosophy.

00:21:18.740 And what can be done about the evil in the world?

00:21:23.260 Well, now we begin to speak of the supernatural.

00:21:27.540 This is the good news of the gospel.

00:21:31.420 God has already done what needed to be done about all the evil in the world

00:21:35.540 by sending his son to take our human nature to himself and become one of us.

00:21:41.760 And so to offer himself as a perfect sacrifice.

00:21:46.100 As a human man, his son's sacrifice was made on our behalf.

00:21:51.620 And as one of us, a member of our race.

00:21:55.580 As a divine person, his sacrifice was of infinite value,

00:22:00.880 such that it did more than just pay our race's debt.

00:22:06.780 It elevated us to a state of sonship and friendship with God.

00:22:12.480 It's from this sacrifice which Christ made on the cross

00:22:15.500 that we have the grace and power necessary to fight the evil of our day

00:22:20.580 and of every day until the end of our days.

00:22:25.980 It's by being united to Christ himself in faith, hope, and love

00:22:30.260 that we benefit from this grace.

00:22:33.120 And we become united to Christ in this way

00:22:36.000 by being baptized, by believing and professing the revelation

00:22:40.480 which he made to the apostles and the church

00:22:43.000 by hoping in him and loving him above all things.

00:22:48.980 And crucially, by entering, as has Candace Owens and so many others,

00:22:55.940 into the Roman Catholic Church, which is his mystical body on earth.

00:23:00.260 Such that we become his very body parts in the world,

00:23:05.440 living his life and continuing his mission.

00:23:09.000 When you see that this, this union with Jesus Christ,

00:23:13.660 this putting on of Christ is what the Christian religion really is, 0.99

00:23:18.640 perhaps you can see the problem with talking about cultural Christianity

00:23:23.540 or treating Christianity as if it were a set of good principles to live by

00:23:27.340 or to admire from afar.

00:23:31.000 Perhaps you can see it's also not enough to say some words either

00:23:35.100 as some others tried to get you to do in an interview a couple of years ago.

00:23:38.800 Do you remember that?

00:23:39.780 Let's take a look again.

00:23:40.720 I believe in the God of Spinoza.

00:23:45.580 So, but hey, if, you know, if Jesus is saving people,

00:23:54.960 I mean, I wouldn't stand in his way, you know, like, I'll be sure.

00:23:58.660 I'll be saved.

00:23:59.340 Why not?

00:24:00.180 Sweet.

00:24:00.620 We did it?

00:24:01.160 Yeah.

00:24:01.440 I think he just said yes.

00:24:02.280 We got him.

00:24:02.700 All right.

00:24:03.220 We got him.

00:24:03.700 I'm not trying to lecture you or chide you for not knowing what Christianity is.

00:24:09.580 That's not what my purpose is.

00:24:11.120 And anyway, it's not your fault at all.

00:24:13.520 But let's hear what else you said in your Peterson interview,

00:24:17.100 which pretty much is the same thing you said in that other one.

00:24:21.840 Let's have a listen again.

00:24:22.680 I'm actually a big believer in the principles of Christianity.

00:24:27.080 I think they're very good.

00:24:28.580 So in what sense then are you not religious?

00:24:30.840 Well, so Dawkins just came out three weeks ago or thereabouts

00:24:38.580 and announced that he was a cultural Christian, right?

00:24:40.940 And so the question...

00:24:41.560 Right.

00:24:41.840 I would say I'm probably a cultural Christian.

00:24:44.300 Okay.

00:24:44.600 I was brought up as an Anglican and I was baptized.

00:24:48.260 At another point, you talked about what you thought about the teachings of Jesus.

00:24:53.940 Listen.

00:24:54.740 You know, while I'm not a particularly religious person,

00:24:56.680 I do believe that the teachings of Jesus are good and wise

00:25:03.220 and that there's tremendous wisdom in turn the other cheek.

00:25:09.420 And for a while there, when I was saying, I thought, well, that's really a weak thing.

00:25:12.960 Yeah, it can be.

00:25:14.120 The notion of forgiveness is important.

00:25:16.560 I think it's essential because if you don't forgive, then, you know, as I forget who said it,

00:25:24.560 but an eye for an eye makes everyone blind.

00:25:26.860 If you're going to seek vengeance and you have this never-ending cycle of vengeance...

00:25:33.780 There are anthropological speculations that we were caught in a 350,000-year cycle

00:25:39.100 of not getting anywhere after modern human beings emerged precisely because of that.

00:25:43.900 Because we couldn't get out of accelerating tit-for-tat revenge cycles.

00:25:49.300 Right.

00:25:49.980 You also mentioned in that interview that you thought that the Christian axiomatic assumptions

00:25:55.760 were good ones for the basis of society.

00:25:59.480 Peterson seems to agree and says Dawkins did too.

00:26:02.920 Listen to that.

00:26:03.540 So that's why I asked you the question about why you would consider yourself not a religious person.

00:26:10.660 Because it seems to me that the essence of...

00:26:13.780 It isn't the statement that you abide by a particular Protestant creed, let's say.

00:26:19.700 It seems to me much more akin to the notion that you believe that this set of axiomatic presuppositions

00:26:26.960 is like the pronatalist presumption.

00:26:30.980 It's correct.

00:26:32.200 It's going to lead to a better society, a society I think that we would prefer to be...

00:26:36.980 I mean, if you say, like, what will result in the greatest happiness for humanity,

00:26:43.760 considering not just the present but all future humans...

00:26:46.720 Happiness or meaning?

00:26:50.560 Well...

00:26:51.160 Which would you pick?

00:26:53.540 Personally, I'd pick meaning because for me, meaning leads to happiness.

00:26:56.980 But I think that's...

00:26:57.960 Right.

00:26:58.420 But the reverse isn't necessarily the case.

00:27:00.620 But I think if a set of principles is likely to lead to a society thinking of themselves as happy or content or...

00:27:12.640 Well, okay...

00:27:13.620 Then you want to...

00:27:15.620 Then principles that lead to the most amount of happiness over time...

00:27:20.620 Yeah.

00:27:21.620 ...not just the present.

00:27:22.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:23.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:24.620 That iteration element's important.

00:27:25.620 Yeah.

00:27:26.620 Um...

00:27:27.620 See, I think...

00:27:28.620 Because you have to consider the happiness of future humans as well.

00:27:30.620 I think that's where the ethos actually develops.

00:27:32.620 Elon, I must say I was stunned.

00:27:34.620 When Jordan Peterson asked you whether you'd pick happiness or meaning for your life, and

00:27:41.620 when you said meaning because happiness comes from meaning, I'd like to suggest that the

00:27:48.620 same thing applies here with these religious truths that we're talking about.

00:27:54.620 You're all talking about these axiomatic assumptions of Christianity, the basic principles of Christianity,

00:28:00.640 and the reason that they're good for society is because they're true.

00:28:07.640 By contrast, they cannot be good for society if they are false.

00:28:12.640 That would be saying that society would benefit by being based around lies.

00:28:17.640 That's just a terrible idea.

00:28:19.640 And you know that too.

00:28:21.640 But do you see that if they're true, and if Christianity is so much more than something

00:28:29.640 cultural which provides a good basis for society and our personal lives, then we have

00:28:34.640 to actually embrace it if we want to benefit from it.

00:28:38.640 We can't benefit from sort of fake plastic version of Christianity and Christian values 0.98

00:28:44.640 and Christendom and everything good that is about Western civilization was not built

00:28:49.640 on Christian axiomatic principles or assumptions.

00:28:52.640 It was built on Christianity and self. 0.92

00:28:55.640 It was built on Jesus Christ.

00:28:57.640 It was believed, taught and lived and effected on society through the sanctification of Christians

00:29:04.640 by God himself.

00:29:06.640 You're not going to defeat the woke mind virus or avenge your son with principles or axiomatic

00:29:16.640 assumptions either, but rather with the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

00:29:22.640 Christianity is not a club or a collection of principles.

00:29:25.640 It's a visible society.

00:29:28.640 And that's true and includes principles and dogmas too.

00:29:33.640 But rather, Christianity is the religion of Jesus Christ, the means by which we are to become one with him,

00:29:41.640 to be united with him as members of his body and to become his chosen means of acting in this world.

00:29:47.640 And with your many, many talents, you would be, I'm sure, a chosen vessel to work through

00:29:54.640 if you gave yourself to Jesus Christ and his one true church.

00:29:57.640 And you know, in a similar way, if we look at something that happened recently,

00:30:01.640 many of the reactions to the blasphemy at the Olympics really did miss the point.

00:30:06.640 Look, we were really happy to see you tweet that it was extremely disrespectful to Christians.

00:30:13.640 Remember that?

00:30:14.640 But here's the thing.

00:30:15.640 Elon, do you think that we actually care that it was disrespectful to us, to Christians?

00:30:21.640 No.

00:30:22.640 The disrespect to us, and yes, evident hatred of Christianity, 1.00

00:30:27.640 is nothing compared to the disrespect that all that blasphemy showed to a mighty God himself.

00:30:34.640 And in another tweet around the same time, you said, and I quote,

00:30:38.640 unless there is more bravery to stand up for what is fair and right, Christianity will perish, end quote. 0.91

00:30:45.640 Almost.

00:30:46.640 But because it is the religion of God made man and the body of Christ, it cannot perish.

00:30:53.640 But it will perish in different countries if people abandon it or indeed treat it as just some philosophy or collection of great tenets and axioms and things like that.

00:31:05.640 It will perish in the places where it is not believed.

00:31:10.640 And you talked about that too in your interview.

00:31:13.640 And on that note, we could return to the question of why.

00:31:17.640 If what I've said about Christianity is true, why is there still evil in the world? 0.98

00:31:23.640 Well, for a start, let's say that when we are united to Christ as members of his body, we are still in the process of being sanctified, of being made holy.

00:31:34.640 And we are still at war with the forces of evil in this world.

00:31:38.640 We're at war within ourselves.

00:31:41.640 You can't be at war with an enemy that isn't fighting you.

00:31:46.640 There will always be more or less evil in the world until the end of time.

00:31:52.640 And you yourself said it in the interview.

00:31:54.640 Why the evil of antinatalism, the idea that the world is overpopulated, is in the world.

00:32:01.640 You talked about how this idea takes hold and its catastrophic effects on society.

00:32:08.640 But you also put your finger on one of the causes of this antinatalism and how this evil grows when religion, at least in general, is abandoned.

00:32:20.640 Here's what you said. Listen again.

00:32:22.640 I think there is an argument that when a culture loses its religion that it starts to become antinatalist and decline in numbers and potentially disappear.

00:32:40.640 Elon, taken in the abstract, religion refers to everything we must believe and all the duties which we must fulfill toward God.

00:32:48.640 You might also be right that religion in the abstract has generally provided an impetus towards certain correct tenets of the natural law.

00:32:58.640 But the fact is that God has revealed himself personally to mankind.

00:33:02.640 This is about the person of Jesus Christ.

00:33:05.640 And that, because of this, we are all obliged to seek out that true religion and accept it, to accept him, to embrace Jesus Christ himself.

00:33:16.640 Who loves you? Who waits for you? Who calls you by name, Elon?

00:33:20.640 He calls your son, Xavier, by name.

00:33:23.640 And if you think that bad effects have come from the setting aside of various false religions, 0.93

00:33:29.640 imagine the harm that would be done by setting aside the true and supernatural religion personally revealed to mankind by God himself.

00:33:39.640 Well, we don't need to imagine it.

00:33:41.640 Well, we don't need to imagine it.

00:33:43.640 Look around.

00:33:44.640 We are living in it.

00:33:47.640 The way to reverse this, all the evils you talked about in your interview, the evils of trans kids movement, of antinatalism or ignorance and the whole woke mind virus. 0.58

00:34:01.640 The way to reverse all this is not to return to Christian axiomatic assumptions or to a few Christian moral precepts, but to return to Jesus Christ himself.

00:34:17.640 Let's end with your own ending of that interview.

00:34:20.640 Listen to this.

00:34:21.640 You know, I think like one of the tests for, you know, assessing someone's character is to look at the character of their friends and their associates.

00:34:32.640 Yeah.

00:34:33.640 And while people can put up a mask themselves for their character, their friends and associates will not.

00:34:39.640 Yeah.

00:34:40.640 And so you can judge a person's character by their friends and associates and to some degree by their enemies.

00:34:48.640 Right.

00:34:49.640 You know, if evil people hate you, well, you might be doing something right.

00:34:54.640 And that's very true.

00:34:56.640 But you were applying that to yourself.

00:34:59.640 How about we apply it to Jesus Christ himself?

00:35:04.640 Is there anyone more hated by evil people than him?

00:35:09.640 The Olympics, blasphemy and everything we see around us gives us a pretty good answer. 0.81

00:35:15.640 Elon Musk, at least look into it again.

00:35:20.640 If you take that amazing humility you've shown and ask God to guide you,

00:35:26.640 you will see that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life.

00:35:31.640 And also the chief means by which you will fulfill your most noble aspirations of your heart.

00:35:39.640 And you will find that the true God can do even better than that.

00:35:45.640 Jesus Christ has the power to do more than just satisfy the deepest needs of your heart,

00:35:51.640 more than just help you fight the woke mind virus,

00:35:54.640 and more than just help you avenge what you call the death of your son, Xavier.

00:35:59.640 He, Jesus Christ, and he alone has the power even to bring your dead son, Xavier, back to life.

00:36:08.640 Jesus Christ is king.

00:36:12.640 God bless you, Elon.

00:36:14.640 We're praying for you at LifeSite News every day.

00:36:17.640 For LifeSite News, this is John Henry Weston.

00:36:20.640 May God bless you.

00:36:22.640 God bless you.

00:36:23.640 God bless you.

00:36:24.640 God bless you.

00:36:29.640 God bless you.

The John-Henry Westen Show - August 27, 2024

Elon Musk and his family of 12 MUST become Catholic ｜ here's why

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