The John-Henry Westen Show - July 16, 2019


Episode 17： 10 signs Pope Francis is moving towards women's ordination


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The stakes in the war for the soul of the Church have been raised to an all-in level as the October Synod s working document has been released, causing one Cardinal to call the document out for heresy and a warning of apostasy. That s what we re discussing on today s episode of the John Henry Weston Show.

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00:00:00.440 The stakes in the war for the soul of the Church have been raised to an all-in level
00:00:05.060 as the October Amazon Synod's working document has been released.
00:00:09.200 It's caused one Cardinal to call the document out for heresy and a warning of apostasy.
00:00:15.200 That's what we're discussing on today's episode of the John Henry Weston Show.
00:00:19.320 Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.
00:00:22.460 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
00:00:25.780 And let's also ask today for the intercession of Our Lady of Mount Carmel on this, her feast day.
00:00:32.900 Before we get to the list, we have to understand that Jesus came as a man born of a woman.
00:00:39.760 He was the new Adam, and Our Lady the new Eve. 0.98
00:00:42.880 Jesus came as a man and established His priesthood in persona Christi, or in the person of Christ.
00:00:49.360 Therefore, all ministers ordained to His ministry must also be men, not women.
00:00:54.220 If any woman who ever lived was to be given holy orders, it would have been the mother of God herself. 1.00
00:01:00.980 Yet, she would never want anything contrary to the will of her son.
00:01:05.660 And also, let's quickly address the popular saying that Jesus couldn't ordain women
00:01:10.240 because it was culturally inappropriate at the time. 0.99
00:01:13.340 Well, of course, that's ridiculous. 0.92
00:01:15.300 Jesus broke with all kinds of cultural taboos. 0.95
00:01:18.900 He spoke of a triune God scandalizing the Jews.
00:01:21.940 He talked about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, horrifying the Jews, who are even forbidden to drink animal blood.
00:01:30.520 So, it's nonsense to suggest that Jesus didn't ordain women for cultural reasons.
00:01:36.900 He established different roles for men and women.
00:01:40.040 And the ordination to holy orders is only for men just as much as motherhood is only for women.
00:01:45.180 While the bishop has the fullness of the priestly power from Christ, ruling the diocesan church
00:01:52.760 and being the direct descendant of the apostles for the particular area or diocese over which he rules,
00:01:59.280 priests were appointed to fulfill the ministries of offering the holy sacrifice of the Mass and hearing confessions.
00:02:05.620 Deacons were devoted to preaching and ministering to the public on a more personal level.
00:02:10.220 And in the early church, you will hear, yes, of deaconesses,
00:02:15.120 which were women who assisted, especially with baptism, 0.91
00:02:18.440 at a time when full immersion baptism was used.
00:02:21.740 And due to concerns over modesty, women administered the sacrament. 0.98
00:02:26.880 Now, remember, baptism is a sacrament that anyone can administer, even a non-Catholic,
00:02:32.360 as long as they have water and use the words,
00:02:34.560 I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.
00:02:39.020 These deaconesses of the early church were never given holy orders,
00:02:43.380 but they were given a commission to undertake a particular service for the church.
00:02:47.740 Nothing at all to do with officiating at Mass in any way.
00:02:52.140 The church, in following divine law laid down by Christ,
00:02:58.040 has always forbidden holy orders for those other than baptized men.
00:03:03.460 Canon Law says about lawfully conferring orders of priesthood or the diaconate,
00:03:09.320 it says, and I quote,
00:03:10.400 only a baptized man can validly receive sacred ordination.
00:03:15.020 That's Canon 10.24.
00:03:16.640 There is evidence of this constant teaching throughout the entire history of the church,
00:03:22.940 in the sacred scriptures themselves,
00:03:25.000 from Pope Gelasius in the 5th century,
00:03:29.320 from Pope Innocent IV in the 13th century,
00:03:32.280 and Pope Benedict XIV in the 18th century.
00:03:36.600 Recall the admonition of St. Paul in the scriptures.
00:03:39.480 You'll read about it in 1 Corinthians 14.34.
00:03:42.700 And I quote,
00:03:43.220 Women should remain silent in churches, end quote. 1.00
00:03:46.640 That law, which was followed in the church
00:03:48.860 until various interpretations of the Second Vatican Council,
00:03:52.000 saw women reading the scriptures at Mass, but not the Gospel.
00:03:55.880 In addition to St. Paul's admonition in the Holy Bible,
00:04:00.020 let me quote from Pope Benedict XIV's 1755 encyclical Allate Sund,
00:04:06.920 where he summarizes the teaching of the church on this point.
00:04:10.840 And I quote,
00:04:11.560 Pope Gelasius in his ninth letter to the bishops of Lucania condemned the evil practice
00:04:18.620 which had been introduced of women serving the priest at the celebration of Mass. 0.62
00:04:25.120 Since this abuse had spread to the Greeks,
00:04:28.300 Innocent IV strictly forbade it in his letter to the bishop of Tusculum.
00:04:33.260 And he quotes in, again, this is from the encyclical of Benedict XIV in 1755.
00:04:40.220 He quotes then Pope Innocent IV saying,
00:04:43.920 Quote,
00:04:44.480 Women should not dare to serve at the altar. 1.00
00:04:47.420 They should be altogether refused this ministry.
00:04:50.840 End quote.
00:04:51.600 That's of the quote of Innocent IV being quoted by Pope Benedict XIV.
00:04:58.100 And Pope Benedict XIV in his encyclical continues,
00:05:02.820 We too, and that's the royal we referring to himself,
00:05:06.080 We too have forbidden this practice in the same words in our often repeated constitution,
00:05:12.700 Etzi Pastoralis, section 6, number 21.
00:05:16.380 That was 1755.
00:05:18.260 So we see all throughout the time of the church,
00:05:20.900 this teaching confirmed again and again and again.
00:05:24.600 Demonstrating the severity with which the proposals of the October Synod
00:05:29.940 about the ordination of women and others are being viewed by those in the know.
00:05:36.240 Cardinals Müller and also Cardinal Walter Brandtmüller,
00:05:40.300 one of the two remaining dubia cardinals,
00:05:43.020 issued a strong critique of the Instrumentum Laboris,
00:05:46.600 calling it heretical, as did also Cardinal Müller.
00:05:50.580 Cardinal Müller, of course, was the former head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith.
00:05:56.940 But Cardinal Brandtmüller also called it an apostasy from divine revelation.
00:06:02.480 He called upon church leaders to reject it with all decisiveness.
00:06:06.900 And in his essay,
00:06:08.060 Excoriating the Instrumentum Laboris,
00:06:10.400 Cardinal Brandtmüller wrote these words,
00:06:12.620 Of course, women's ordination to holy orders is impossible in the Catholic Church,
00:06:38.520 and any change in this regard would be false.
00:06:42.000 In fact, until recently,
00:06:43.520 a priest advocating women's ordination would be excommunicated,
00:06:47.540 as was Father Roy Bourgeois in 2012.
00:06:52.020 However, the same can be said about other issues,
00:06:55.160 such as communion for divorced and remarried Catholics,
00:06:57.980 communion for Protestants,
00:06:59.180 the teaching of the death penalty.
00:07:01.300 Yet, in all these cases,
00:07:03.440 a false change has been allowed to fester in the church.
00:07:06.840 As with most of these seeming changes,
00:07:10.560 Pope Francis has opined both ways on the matter of women's ordination.
00:07:15.380 Early in his pontificate in 2013,
00:07:17.920 he issued the exhortation Evangelii Gaudium,
00:07:21.060 wherein he seemed to indicate,
00:07:22.820 in line with all the popes before him,
00:07:24.820 that there was no possibility of women being ordained.
00:07:28.040 He said, and I quote,
00:07:29.000 the reservation of the priesthood to males
00:07:31.440 as a sign of Christ the spouse
00:07:33.160 who gives himself in the Eucharist
00:07:35.000 is not a question open to discussion.
00:07:37.820 End quote.
00:07:38.820 He reiterated similar thoughts in 2016.
00:07:42.640 Nonetheless,
00:07:43.540 he and his closest collaborators
00:07:45.400 have been hinting at an ordained ministry
00:07:48.280 at Mass for women ever since,
00:07:51.720 specifically focused on the possibility
00:07:53.900 of allowing women deacons.
00:07:55.140 Here are 10 examples of just that.
00:07:59.420 In the October Synod working document,
00:08:02.260 the Instrumentum Laboris,
00:08:03.780 women's ordination is suggested.
00:08:06.060 It calls on the church to, quote,
00:08:08.400 promote vocations among indigenous men and women
00:08:11.700 in order to respond to the need
00:08:13.960 for pastoral and sacramental care.
00:08:16.360 End quote.
00:08:17.160 It also calls on the church to, quote,
00:08:19.640 identify the type of official ministry
00:08:22.220 that can be conferred on women 1.00
00:08:24.500 considering the central role
00:08:26.200 they play today in the Amazon church.
00:08:28.500 End quote.
00:08:29.840 Secondly,
00:08:30.740 in August 2016,
00:08:32.740 Pope Francis set up a 12-member commission
00:08:34.820 to study the issue of women deacons,
00:08:37.720 even though a previous commission
00:08:39.660 on this subject in 2002
00:08:41.720 had concluded that
00:08:43.000 women's ordination is not possible.
00:08:46.000 Moreover,
00:08:46.660 Pope Francis appointed as a member
00:08:48.440 of the new commission,
00:08:49.860 the world's leading advocate
00:08:51.940 of ordaining women deacons,
00:08:53.800 Phyllis Zagano.
00:08:55.540 Number three.
00:08:56.920 Early in his pontificate,
00:08:58.340 Pope Francis shocked Catholics
00:09:00.000 by washing women's feet 1.00
00:09:01.540 at the Holy Thursday Mass
00:09:03.140 of the Lord's Supper.
00:09:04.420 The symbolic washing of the feet
00:09:06.500 of the celebrant of Mass
00:09:07.940 to commemorate Christ's washing of the feet
00:09:10.740 with his apostles
00:09:11.540 at the establishment of the priesthood.
00:09:13.800 In January 2016,
00:09:15.900 Pope Francis officially altered
00:09:17.520 the church's practice
00:09:18.580 to allow for washing of women's feet 1.00
00:09:20.980 at the Holy Thursday celebrations.
00:09:24.140 He lessened the scandal of this move
00:09:26.200 by suggesting that the meaning of the rite
00:09:28.040 was more about charity and service, however.
00:09:32.100 Number four.
00:09:33.500 In a March 2016 interview with Dietz Seidt,
00:09:35.940 the Pope was asked about
00:09:37.320 the devastating lack of priests
00:09:38.760 in Germany and Switzerland.
00:09:40.400 And he said,
00:09:41.160 yes, that is a great problem.
00:09:42.800 Many parishes have well-behaved women, 0.99
00:09:46.320 he added.
00:09:47.400 They keep up Sunday 0.99
00:09:48.940 and celebrate liturgies of the Word,
00:09:52.140 that is, without the Eucharist.
00:09:54.960 Celebrating liturgies of the Word
00:09:56.560 and such ceremonies
00:09:57.800 is something that the church
00:09:59.340 has always reserved to ordained clergy.
00:10:03.480 Number five.
00:10:04.680 In the apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia,
00:10:07.060 two paragraphs address the issue
00:10:08.780 of women's rights.
00:10:10.320 Pope Francis deplores the, quote,
00:10:12.220 lack of equal access
00:10:14.180 to dignified work
00:10:15.520 and roles of decision-making for women. 0.99
00:10:18.360 He uses feminist language, in fact,
00:10:21.000 to denounce, quote,
00:10:22.620 the excesses of patriarchal cultures
00:10:25.220 that considered women inferior,
00:10:28.160 end quote,
00:10:29.020 even quoting himself
00:10:30.540 when he says the argument that, quote,
00:10:33.220 many of today's problems
00:10:34.660 have arisen from women's emancipation 1.00
00:10:37.180 is a false and untrue form
00:10:40.880 of male chauvinism,
00:10:43.160 says Pope Francis.
00:10:44.180 If certain forms of feminism 1.00
00:10:46.080 have arisen,
00:10:47.140 which we must consider inadequate,
00:10:49.700 he adds,
00:10:50.400 we must nonetheless see
00:10:52.120 in the women's movement
00:10:53.060 the working of the spirit
00:10:54.480 for a clearer recognition
00:10:56.260 of the dignity and rights of women,
00:10:58.440 end quote.
00:10:59.560 That's from paragraph 54.
00:11:01.580 Also, in April 2016,
00:11:05.460 the Vatican's newspaper,
00:11:06.660 L'Esservatore Romano,
00:11:07.920 ran a series of articles
00:11:09.180 calling for women 0.94
00:11:10.460 to be able to preach at Mass.
00:11:13.360 And then, Pope Francis
00:11:14.760 has met in official capacities
00:11:16.820 with female clergy 0.98
00:11:17.960 and bishops
00:11:18.820 from other denominations.
00:11:21.920 Also, in February 2017,
00:11:24.400 arguments for the ordination of women
00:11:26.480 to the priesthood
00:11:27.340 were presented
00:11:28.120 in the oldest Jesuit journal
00:11:30.140 of Italy,
00:11:31.100 a journal which, by the way,
00:11:32.200 is reviewed by the Vatican
00:11:33.540 prior to publication
00:11:34.640 and run by Jesuit Father
00:11:36.620 Antonio Spadaro,
00:11:37.940 one of Pope Francis'
00:11:39.120 closest advisors.
00:11:40.960 Civita Cattolica
00:11:41.920 published an article
00:11:43.160 by Father Giancarlo Pani,
00:11:45.860 who is, of course, a Jesuit,
00:11:47.780 suggesting that the admission
00:11:49.260 to the priesthood of women 0.97
00:11:50.780 should undergo re-examination.
00:11:53.800 There's also this.
00:11:55.100 Bishop Erwin Krautler
00:11:56.800 was made primary author
00:11:58.640 of the June 17, 2019,
00:12:00.600 Instrumentum Laboris,
00:12:01.760 that's the working document
00:12:02.740 for the upcoming synod.
00:12:04.500 Krautler is a strong supporter
00:12:06.620 of ordination of women
00:12:07.700 to the priesthood.
00:12:08.820 In June 2018,
00:12:10.200 LifeSite News reported
00:12:11.180 on a 2016 book
00:12:12.780 written by Bishop Krautler
00:12:14.120 in which he argues
00:12:15.500 in favor of female priests. 0.99
00:12:18.620 And in July 2019,
00:12:20.640 a secret prep synod
00:12:22.160 of cardinals and bishops
00:12:23.460 was held with a Vatican 0.70
00:12:25.460 representative in attendance
00:12:26.980 and it pushed
00:12:28.380 for women's ordination.
00:12:30.800 So those are our ten points.
00:12:32.720 But really,
00:12:34.560 given the weaponized ambiguity
00:12:36.580 used in the Vatican these days,
00:12:38.800 in which seeks to sort of
00:12:39.940 push the envelope
00:12:40.840 as much as possible
00:12:41.900 without actually forcing
00:12:43.140 a schism in the church,
00:12:44.680 my bet would be
00:12:45.720 that the synod
00:12:46.620 will stop short
00:12:47.500 of allowing for giving
00:12:49.600 holy orders to women. 0.88
00:12:50.800 My actual guess would be
00:12:52.800 that the Pope's hint
00:12:53.980 about women in Germany
00:12:55.160 will be made into
00:12:56.180 a new kind of ministry
00:12:57.140 for women
00:12:57.680 without proclaiming it
00:12:58.920 an ordained ministry
00:13:00.160 since that would cause
00:13:01.460 too many prelates to object.
00:13:04.760 What will most likely occur
00:13:06.300 is that an official normalization
00:13:08.900 of what already takes place
00:13:10.800 in kind of exceptional circumstances
00:13:12.740 or abusive cases.
00:13:14.020 For instance,
00:13:15.280 women are already permitted 1.00
00:13:18.180 to serve at the altar
00:13:20.120 in liturgical garb.
00:13:22.540 Women are already permitted 1.00
00:13:24.160 as readers in Mass.
00:13:26.100 And since women already act 1.00
00:13:27.980 as extraordinary
00:13:28.760 Eucharistic ministers,
00:13:30.280 the move to give women 0.98
00:13:31.940 a named ministry
00:13:33.460 and liturgical garb at Mass,
00:13:36.060 perhaps with the possibility
00:13:38.140 of preaching as well,
00:13:39.460 doesn't seem so far-fetched.
00:13:41.020 But once we get there,
00:13:43.640 once we have that sort of change
00:13:47.000 in the face of the Church, 0.65
00:13:48.460 there will be no holding back
00:13:49.800 women's ordination
00:13:50.700 since it will already be there
00:13:52.580 visually and symbolically.
00:13:54.620 In the absence of a priest,
00:13:56.220 a woman in liturgical garb
00:13:57.800 could lead the prayers,
00:13:58.900 read the readings,
00:13:59.800 gospel, give a homily,
00:14:01.100 and just use the already
00:14:02.380 consecrated hosts
00:14:03.460 from the tabernacle
00:14:04.380 as Pope Francis mentioned already.
00:14:07.400 Happens in Germany.
00:14:08.500 And by that point,
00:14:10.180 the look and feel
00:14:11.180 of the all-male priesthood 0.99
00:14:12.440 will be all but destroyed, 0.92
00:14:14.560 leading quickly
00:14:15.260 and inevitably
00:14:17.020 to a false women's ordination. 1.00
00:14:20.200 But women's ordination 0.94
00:14:21.440 will never happen
00:14:22.520 in the true Catholic Church,
00:14:24.400 even if a majority of Catholics
00:14:26.080 were to break with the truth
00:14:27.420 and pursue that direction.
00:14:30.260 Pope John Paul II
00:14:31.640 stressed the impossibility
00:14:33.600 of female ordination,
00:14:34.900 and the teaching
00:14:36.100 was reiterated
00:14:37.060 definitively and irrevocably.
00:14:39.800 It was in 1994,
00:14:41.140 John Paul II
00:14:41.780 in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis
00:14:44.220 wrote, and I quote,
00:14:45.100 Although the teaching
00:14:47.300 that priestly ordination
00:14:48.560 is to be reserved
00:14:49.420 to men alone
00:14:50.380 has been preserved
00:14:51.800 by the constant
00:14:52.940 and universal tradition
00:14:54.560 of the Church
00:14:55.220 and firmly taught
00:14:56.760 by the Magisterium
00:14:58.040 in its more recent documents,
00:14:59.940 at present time,
00:15:01.680 in some places,
00:15:02.900 it is nonetheless considered
00:15:04.200 still to be open to debate,
00:15:07.180 or the Church's judgment
00:15:08.800 that women are not 0.58
00:15:09.680 to be admitted to ordination
00:15:11.000 is considered
00:15:12.000 to have a merely
00:15:13.060 disciplinary force.
00:15:15.980 Wherefore,
00:15:16.740 in order that all doubt
00:15:18.160 may be removed
00:15:19.000 regarding a matter
00:15:20.040 of great importance,
00:15:21.620 a matter which pertains
00:15:22.940 to the Church's
00:15:23.760 divine constitution itself,
00:15:26.300 in virtue of my ministry
00:15:28.020 confirming the brethren,
00:15:29.700 I declare
00:15:30.580 that the Church
00:15:31.540 has no authority
00:15:32.800 whatsoever
00:15:33.640 to confer priestly ordination
00:15:35.720 on women,
00:15:36.760 and that this judgment
00:15:38.120 is to be definitively held
00:15:40.040 by all the Church's faithful.
00:15:43.060 End quote
00:15:43.660 from John Paul II.
00:15:46.220 In that same encyclical
00:15:48.460 from John Paul II,
00:15:49.880 he also said this,
00:15:51.780 he pointed to Our Lady 0.98
00:15:52.960 as the definitive proof
00:15:54.560 that women were not meant
00:15:55.820 to be ordained
00:15:56.740 in ordained ministry,
00:15:58.760 for as he suggested,
00:16:00.480 were Christ to have chosen
00:16:01.640 any woman in history
00:16:03.000 for ordination,
00:16:04.120 it would have been
00:16:04.900 His Most Holy Mother.
00:16:06.640 Pope John Paul II said,
00:16:08.340 and I quote,
00:16:08.840 The fact that
00:16:10.320 the Blessed Virgin Mary,
00:16:11.680 Mother of God
00:16:12.640 and Mother of the Church,
00:16:14.120 received neither
00:16:15.240 the mission proper
00:16:16.160 to the Apostles
00:16:17.060 nor the ministerial priesthood
00:16:19.040 clearly shows
00:16:20.340 that the non-admission
00:16:21.740 of women
00:16:22.340 to priestly ordination
00:16:23.580 cannot mean
00:16:24.940 that women 0.97
00:16:25.520 are of lesser dignity,
00:16:27.320 nor can it be construed
00:16:28.880 as discrimination
00:16:29.720 against them.
00:16:31.240 Rather,
00:16:31.980 it is to be seen
00:16:32.940 as the faithful observance
00:16:35.020 of a plan
00:16:36.040 to be ascribed
00:16:38.080 to the wisdom
00:16:39.360 of the Lord
00:16:40.060 of the universe.
00:16:41.440 End quote.
00:16:42.700 That's all time
00:16:43.760 we have today
00:16:44.400 for today's episode
00:16:45.400 of the John Henry Weston Show.
00:16:47.160 May God bless you.