The John-Henry Westen Show - Ex-model turned pro-life speaker： Raising children doesn't mean women can't achieve their dreams too

00:00:00.960 In this modern culture, women are often told,

00:00:04.080 well, if you have a large family,

00:00:05.920 you're never going to achieve your dreams.

00:00:08.400 We've got with us someone today

00:00:10.280 who has achieved many, many dreams,

00:00:13.400 and someone who is able to explain to women how to get there.

00:00:17.680 Her name is Lea Dero.

00:00:20.000 You might have heard of her before

00:00:21.600 because she's been very, very popular

00:00:23.680 in all of the pro-life, pro-family,

00:00:26.640 and just the field of the culture of life.

00:00:30.280 I met Lea in person the last time, 10 years ago.

00:00:35.080 Since then, she's got six children

00:00:38.600 and lives a very happy and fulfilled life.

00:00:41.560 Stay tuned for this episode

00:00:42.840 of The John Henry Reston Show with Lea Dero.

00:00:56.640 Lea, welcome to the program.

00:01:07.920 Thanks for having me, I'm happy to be here.

00:01:10.600 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:01:13.240 In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

00:01:16.200 and of the Holy Ghost, amen.

00:01:19.720 Now, Lea, one of the things that you were well known

00:01:22.960 for a long time ago was a subject that is very hard

00:01:26.840 to speak about.

00:01:27.400 Nobody dares to go in that direction.

00:01:29.000 You do.

00:01:30.440 It's about modesty.

00:01:32.320 Tell us a little bit about that.

00:01:33.720 What challenges have you faced

00:01:35.640 in trying to bring that message forward,

00:01:38.480 and what is its importance in the church

00:01:41.680 and in the culture today?

00:01:43.640 Yeah, modesty is an incredibly important topic,

00:01:46.000 but often when we hear that topic being discussed,

00:01:49.800 we think that, one, it only pertains to women, 0.94

00:01:51.880 although there is a great deal of conversation

00:01:54.040 that women should have about that, 0.95

00:01:56.080 but we also think that it is the only thing

00:01:58.680 that we should be talking about.

00:02:00.440 And modesty is this beautiful virtue, actually,

00:02:03.240 that we're really discussing.

00:02:04.520 It's not about hemlines.

00:02:07.320 It's more about the virtue in our life

00:02:09.120 and how do we embody that virtue to become closer to Christ.

00:02:13.320 And so modesty should bring out the deepest forms

00:02:17.040 of charity within us, that we are able to look at our lives

00:02:21.200 as a whole and be able to make sure

00:02:23.840 that it's all congruent with our beliefs.

00:02:27.680 You know, for me, taking up the virtue of modesty

00:02:29.880 was a journey, and it still is.

00:02:31.840 It's something that you have to continue to look at

00:02:33.700 because it is a virtue that you can bring into your life

00:02:36.440 and create a habit with.

00:02:37.440 But before, you know, I had my major, you know,

00:02:41.200 reversion back to the church,

00:02:43.760 modesty was something that I did not think of

00:02:45.720 and that I did not want to think of.

00:02:47.560 I saw it only as rules, only as, well, you shouldn't wear that.

00:02:51.360 And it was only allocated to clothing.

00:02:54.860 That's how I thought modesty was.

00:02:56.740 And it's only about what you wear.

00:02:58.280 And the problem with that is that when we take a look

00:03:02.040 at this topic of modesty and we only discuss fashion,

00:03:04.840 we only discuss clothing, we've really made modesty

00:03:08.280 and this virtue of modesty just like a Halloween outfit

00:03:11.200 that you take on and you put off once in a while

00:03:14.360 whenever you want to.

00:03:15.880 But modesty has something deeper.

00:03:17.300 As I mentioned, it's a virtue.

00:03:18.460 It's supposed to be this habit within us

00:03:20.680 that reveals, you know, our whole life

00:03:23.800 as a whole, as a believer.

00:03:25.780 So as I, you know, even when I came back to the church

00:03:28.760 and I was trying to change my habits

00:03:30.080 and I was trying to change my thinking

00:03:31.400 and my mindset to be more in line with Christ,

00:03:33.560 I obviously was changing my weekend activities.

00:03:36.500 I was changing the friends that I had.

00:03:39.420 I was changing my daily and my evening routines

00:03:41.920 of what I did.

00:03:43.360 All of this I was doing.

00:03:45.140 And to be honest with you,

00:03:46.180 my clothing was one of the very last things

00:03:48.520 that I actually changed.

00:03:50.360 And so I shared that because when we talk about modesty,

00:03:54.140 it is sometimes this journey that people are on

00:03:57.380 and we should have compassion

00:03:58.920 when we're talking about this to others.

00:04:01.060 So the idea of, I see this girl at mass

00:04:04.180 and she's wearing something inappropriate.

00:04:06.560 Again, once importantly,

00:04:07.800 that modesty is not just about clothing,

00:04:09.380 but sometimes it obviously is.

00:04:10.880 So we do need to talk about that.

00:04:12.780 And so I've had plenty of people come up to me and say,

00:04:15.220 I think I should say something to this girl at church.

00:04:18.560 She's, you know, in the church

00:04:19.800 wearing this immodest outfit.

00:04:21.720 In my personal opinion,

00:04:23.520 I think we should have compassion

00:04:24.800 because sometimes it's just the fact

00:04:26.460 that some people don't know.

00:04:27.460 Some people are on a journey

00:04:28.400 and it's up to us to help guide people,

00:04:31.460 but also with kindness

00:04:33.120 and with deep compassion of people are on that.

00:04:35.960 I was that girl in church

00:04:36.940 who was trying to get her life back together. 0.87

00:04:39.020 And while people may have seen me wearing something,

00:04:42.140 maybe not church appropriate,

00:04:43.440 you know, at mass,

00:04:45.360 what was going on is that Christ was doing work in me

00:04:47.800 little by little.

00:04:49.340 And there was a moment where I came out of church

00:04:51.540 and I was like, oh man,

00:04:53.560 maybe I shouldn't wear this to church.

00:04:56.200 Oh, oh, I get it.

00:04:58.760 And then the light bulb went on

00:05:00.180 and things began to change.

00:05:01.800 And I love sharing that story

00:05:03.140 because it's like we all have those moments

00:05:05.720 where we're trying to stay in alignment with Christ

00:05:07.760 and with his beliefs and with the gospel.

00:05:10.600 And sometimes things just take a little bit longer

00:05:13.020 to kind of connect.

00:05:14.540 And so modesty is a great topic.

00:05:16.240 I love it.

00:05:16.980 It's something that a lot of people

00:05:18.520 have a frustration with.

00:05:19.700 And I understand that,

00:05:21.020 but it's also a topic just like any other virtue

00:05:23.180 that we want everybody to,

00:05:24.620 you know, have in their life.

00:05:26.060 It's also a journey that we're all on.

00:05:27.940 So patience and understanding is so needed

00:05:29.840 when we talk about this.

00:05:32.060 Yeah.

00:05:32.500 And I think particularly for men,

00:05:34.480 it's a different virtue

00:05:36.980 in that part of modesty for men,

00:05:39.880 if especially when they're in situations like that,

00:05:42.320 where they're confronted with someone

00:05:43.820 who might be immodestly dressed,

00:05:45.800 not through their fault,

00:05:47.060 just through basic not knowing

00:05:49.560 what they should do or not do.

00:05:52.260 Men do have a responsibility there.

00:05:53.980 And it sounds so strange in our current culture,

00:05:57.840 but to look away,

00:05:59.260 to practice custody of the eyes

00:06:00.700 is really important

00:06:02.360 because it's a real part of what men need to do

00:06:05.440 to maintain their own purity of thought

00:06:07.540 and to be able to relate to women properly

00:06:11.440 such that they're not,

00:06:12.460 you know,

00:06:13.820 inspired by lust rather than by

00:06:15.580 dignity of the human person.

00:06:17.940 So if you can tell us a little bit more,

00:06:20.980 really about your own conversion,

00:06:22.540 I think that would be really fascinating.

00:06:24.840 Yeah.

00:06:25.280 So I was born and raised Catholic.

00:06:27.260 Great parents, truly.

00:06:28.700 I am so incredibly blessed

00:06:30.160 to live the life that I have.

00:06:32.240 I know that.

00:06:33.200 I know I am.

00:06:34.040 I know that I'm blessed.

00:06:35.020 I'm extremely grateful for it.

00:06:37.480 I grew up on a farm in Oklahoma.

00:06:39.500 I mentioned that

00:06:40.380 because it was a really beautiful upbringing

00:06:42.000 in terms that it gave me space for silence,

00:06:45.460 a lot of silence

00:06:46.400 and a lot of space to,

00:06:48.440 I mean,

00:06:48.880 we had literally a lot of space.

00:06:50.980 I grew up on about 300 or so acres,

00:06:52.920 but I also had the time to sit

00:06:55.740 and think about what I want in life.

00:06:59.860 What does God want for me in life?

00:07:01.200 What are my dreams?

00:07:02.240 What I love to do.

00:07:03.580 I had this opportunity of this space

00:07:05.880 with me and cows

00:07:07.020 to kind of like dream and think

00:07:08.500 and talk to the Lord.

00:07:09.780 And that was really beautiful.

00:07:11.660 That upbringing,

00:07:13.260 and of course,

00:07:13.700 my parents bringing me up in the faith,

00:07:15.140 they were very big on the rosary.

00:07:17.320 Big supporters of Our Lady.

00:07:19.120 They love Our Lady

00:07:19.880 and they love the rosary.

00:07:21.520 And so every night they would gather me

00:07:23.120 and my five younger siblings,

00:07:25.400 I'm the oldest of six,

00:07:26.680 into the living room

00:07:27.500 and we would pray the rosary every night.

00:07:29.400 And before anybody rolls their eyes,

00:07:31.960 we were not the three kids of Fatima.

00:07:33.980 We did not sit there quietly

00:07:35.320 and like we're completely perfect.

00:07:37.140 It was a true experience

00:07:39.460 of virtue for my parents.

00:07:42.020 I mean,

00:07:42.240 my brothers are fighting

00:07:43.340 and poking each other

00:07:44.320 and picking their nose

00:07:45.160 and wiping it on somebody else.

00:07:47.040 My mom is disciplining kids 1.00

00:07:48.740 in the middle of the rosary.

00:07:49.800 People are in corners.

00:07:50.620 There's timeouts.

00:07:51.360 Everywhere.

00:07:52.100 Meanwhile,

00:07:52.480 my father is just saying

00:07:53.580 the Hail Marys louder

00:07:54.560 and louder and louder

00:07:56.220 throughout the rosary.

00:07:57.740 At the end of it,

00:07:58.400 it was almost like a screaming match

00:07:59.760 of the rosary,

00:08:00.360 but the rosary was said,

00:08:01.620 like the prayer was said

00:08:02.780 and it was a beautiful experience.

00:08:04.360 And that's how I grew up.

00:08:05.760 We had normal everyday experiences,

00:08:08.160 but prayer was always central.

00:08:09.900 Talking about Jesus was normal.

00:08:12.460 We prayed before meals.

00:08:13.920 We went to mass on Sundays

00:08:15.140 and were involved with our church

00:08:16.420 and our extended family.

00:08:18.620 That's how I was raised.

00:08:19.860 Now,

00:08:20.160 I get to high school

00:08:21.160 and high school,

00:08:22.520 there's a whole new group of friends

00:08:23.620 and I am subject to this new group

00:08:25.920 and new people

00:08:26.720 and new beliefs

00:08:27.520 and new ideas

00:08:28.220 and I kind of succumb

00:08:29.300 to that entire mess.

00:08:31.500 And in doing so

00:08:32.280 and in making mistakes

00:08:33.160 and making sin 0.67

00:08:34.040 a part of my life

00:08:35.400 at that point,

00:08:36.480 I began to experience,

00:08:38.400 at 15,

00:08:38.820 I lost my virginity

00:08:39.660 and that was a very big

00:08:41.300 turning point for me.

00:08:42.180 I knew better.

00:08:45.400 I knew I shouldn't.

00:08:46.580 Now, I didn't quite know why,

00:08:48.000 but I knew I shouldn't

00:08:49.020 and that's on me.

00:08:52.140 But the problem with that,

00:08:53.580 and I share that

00:08:54.300 because so many people do this

00:08:56.340 and not just kids,

00:08:57.420 but we engage in a sin

00:08:58.580 that we thought we would never do

00:08:59.700 and then we despair

00:09:03.300 and then we think

00:09:05.060 there's no room for me

00:09:06.120 and shame kind of comes

00:09:08.020 into the space of our mind

00:09:10.220 and just tells us,

00:09:11.820 oh, you should have known better.

00:09:13.220 I can't believe you did that.

00:09:14.960 No one's ever going to love you again

00:09:16.440 or no one's going to forgive you,

00:09:17.680 whatever it might be for you.

00:09:18.800 For me, it was,

00:09:19.900 no one's going to love me.

00:09:21.400 I have made the worst mistake.

00:09:23.080 My parents are those,

00:09:24.040 I mean, I'm the family

00:09:24.820 that sits in the front row of church

00:09:26.100 and here I am.

00:09:27.540 I'm 15 and I feel like

00:09:28.900 I was just, you know, destroyed.

00:09:31.200 I was ruined,

00:09:32.120 that there was no hope for me.

00:09:33.520 And that began at 15,

00:09:34.800 that began my departure

00:09:35.720 from the church.

00:09:36.760 Right then and there,

00:09:37.620 it was shame

00:09:38.260 and I believed the lies of shame.

00:09:40.400 I believed that I wasn't

00:09:41.320 good enough for repentance.

00:09:42.460 I wasn't,

00:09:43.100 that there wasn't a space

00:09:44.040 in the mercy of God for me.

00:09:45.720 I thought church was for you

00:09:47.200 and everybody else.

00:09:47.920 You seem to have great lives,

00:09:49.380 but not for me.

00:09:50.700 And so from 15 to 25,

00:09:52.220 it was this slow departure

00:09:53.320 away from the church.

00:09:55.000 It's not that I didn't,

00:09:56.140 you know, stop believing in God.

00:09:58.040 I just, it's almost like

00:09:59.300 I felt like I had this

00:10:00.360 undue respect for the Lord

00:10:02.340 that I guess I just wasn't worthy.

00:10:03.940 So I should just respectfully

00:10:05.300 bow out of this space,

00:10:07.240 which is a combination 0.85

00:10:08.940 of ignorance and pride

00:10:10.360 and who knows what else.

00:10:13.260 Maybe I was just being naive.

00:10:14.460 Either way, that's what I did.

00:10:16.060 And so that experience

00:10:17.500 just led me to explore

00:10:19.300 my spot in the world.

00:10:20.900 I needed to,

00:10:21.300 I wanted to connect.

00:10:22.100 I wanted to feel,

00:10:22.760 you know,

00:10:23.260 validation for who I am.

00:10:24.520 And the church

00:10:25.100 and the faith gives us that.

00:10:27.120 But when you're apart from that,

00:10:28.240 you will look for it elsewhere.

00:10:29.900 You will find other people,

00:10:31.340 other groups

00:10:31.940 to make sure

00:10:33.080 that you feel fit in

00:10:34.020 and that you feel connected.

00:10:36.460 And so culture definitely had,

00:10:38.740 you know,

00:10:39.020 a voice to give me

00:10:41.320 and I listened.

00:10:42.740 And that led me,

00:10:43.900 long story short,

00:10:45.220 that led me all the way

00:10:46.320 to just really diving

00:10:47.640 into the fashion industry,

00:10:48.880 the modeling industry,

00:10:49.760 because culture looked at me

00:10:51.180 and said,

00:10:51.540 oh,

00:10:52.660 well, you're pretty,

00:10:53.660 so you should,

00:10:54.180 of course,

00:10:54.480 be a model.

00:10:54.920 Like it was my only talent

00:10:56.260 and I was insecure

00:10:58.840 and I believed it.

00:11:01.220 And so I went towards that field.

00:11:03.400 I was on America's Next Top Model,

00:11:05.340 that reality TV show.

00:11:06.460 I was on cycle three.

00:11:07.620 After I was eliminated,

00:11:08.760 I stayed in New York

00:11:09.520 and I continued modeling,

00:11:10.860 thinking that this was the dream

00:11:12.100 that I should have.

00:11:13.440 And so the problem here,

00:11:15.820 the crux of the whole issue

00:11:17.700 is that I was living

00:11:18.800 someone else's dream.

00:11:20.440 I was listening to other people,

00:11:22.140 other people's opinions about me,

00:11:23.560 and I was living their dreams for me.

00:11:25.660 I was living by other people's standards

00:11:27.220 in my life.

00:11:28.760 And it all came crashing down

00:11:29.980 in the middle of a fashion photo shoot

00:11:31.680 in New York City,

00:11:32.920 where in that moment,

00:11:34.400 I experienced a moment

00:11:35.640 and a grace from the Holy Spirit

00:11:37.260 where God really touched my heart.

00:11:39.700 And he told me in no less of words,

00:11:42.620 no few of words,

00:11:43.660 I made you for more.

00:11:45.220 And I remember shaking my head

00:11:46.800 in the middle of the photo shoot,

00:11:47.860 thinking I did not just hear that.

00:11:49.960 And it was a moment,

00:11:50.740 and I heard again,

00:11:51.340 I made you for more.

00:11:52.300 I heard it five times.

00:11:54.380 The last two times that I heard it,

00:11:55.900 the emphasis was on the first part.

00:11:57.260 It was, I made you for more.

00:12:00.160 And that was a moment for me.

00:12:02.660 I just couldn't,

00:12:03.640 you know, I couldn't,

00:12:04.400 I couldn't deny.

00:12:05.220 I couldn't,

00:12:06.000 I couldn't deny the truth of that.

00:12:09.700 No matter where it came from,

00:12:11.380 I couldn't deny it.

00:12:12.160 I was like, yes,

00:12:12.660 I was looking around

00:12:13.880 and I was looking at all these people

00:12:14.940 who don't care about me.

00:12:17.540 They don't care what happens to me.

00:12:19.060 They don't definitely

00:12:19.600 don't care about my soul.

00:12:20.520 It's like an all around these people

00:12:21.620 in this industry that I'm in.

00:12:22.740 I'm like, this cannot be what I do

00:12:24.900 to serve people in this world.

00:12:27.480 And so I ended up walking out of the photo shoot

00:12:30.320 and I walked all the way home

00:12:31.360 and I did the only thing a girl could do

00:12:33.700 at that point,

00:12:34.460 which was I called my dad

00:12:35.980 and I called my dad

00:12:38.080 and I just said,

00:12:38.980 if you don't come and get me,

00:12:40.160 I'm going to lose my soul.

00:12:42.180 And I said that verbatim

00:12:43.500 and there was a very long pause

00:12:45.760 and when my dad spoke,

00:12:51.100 he just said,

00:12:51.520 okay, all right, baby,

00:12:53.620 I'm coming to get you.

00:12:54.980 And my dad drove over 2,000 miles

00:12:57.700 to come pick me up

00:12:58.660 just like any good father would do.

00:13:02.520 And that began my journey back home.

00:13:05.840 That began my journey back home

00:13:07.400 to the faith, of course,

00:13:09.980 and to Jesus,

00:13:10.720 but also to who God made Leah to be.

00:13:14.900 And it has been a beautiful process.

00:13:18.380 It is a process

00:13:19.080 that is still unfolding and healing,

00:13:21.060 but I'm here now

00:13:22.180 and I am so grateful

00:13:23.340 and thankful for God's mercy

00:13:24.660 and the generosity he gives me

00:13:26.960 in living a life that's for him

00:13:28.760 in service of others.

00:13:30.340 And that's, yeah,

00:13:31.560 that's a little bit about my story.

00:13:34.660 Wow.

00:13:37.400 Um, there's lots there to unpack.

00:13:41.880 Um, let me rewind first

00:13:44.180 for the sake of parents

00:13:46.260 who are sometimes very discouraged.

00:13:49.460 Young parents with young kids

00:13:51.520 who are praying the rosary

00:13:52.760 are sometimes very discouraged,

00:13:56.120 even when those kids get,

00:13:58.320 maybe particularly when those kids

00:14:00.040 get into their teenage years,

00:14:01.660 because the fights become

00:14:05.040 sitting on the couch,

00:14:08.740 sometimes sleeping,

00:14:11.220 sometimes mumbling,

00:14:13.240 and sometimes worse.

00:14:16.820 That rosary that you now remember,

00:14:19.120 that family rosary,

00:14:21.080 as boring as it was sometimes,

00:14:22.920 as distracted,

00:14:24.520 do you still think it affected you

00:14:28.100 and do you still think it's important?

00:14:30.460 And is it something that you're doing

00:14:31.700 with your kids now?

00:14:32.420 Yes, yes, and yes.

00:14:35.880 So what it did for me in particular

00:14:38.160 is it created a routine.

00:14:41.320 It also connected me

00:14:43.180 in conversation with my creator.

00:14:45.900 So both are incredibly powerful.

00:14:49.160 When you think about,

00:14:50.200 you know, I homeschool my kids

00:14:51.520 and my smaller kids

00:14:54.560 who are not in school yet,

00:14:55.660 I've got six and my oldest is nine,

00:14:57.780 my youngest is one.

00:14:59.060 And so for the three older kids,

00:15:00.760 like we're in school,

00:15:01.440 but the three younger kids,

00:15:03.060 ages four, two, and one,

00:15:05.280 they're listening.

00:15:07.020 They're overhearing stuff going on.

00:15:09.460 And I'll hear my four-year-old

00:15:10.680 pick up and say things

00:15:12.200 that I did not teach him,

00:15:13.960 but he is a part of the routine

00:15:15.600 that's going on

00:15:16.300 and he's picking up information

00:15:17.500 and he's holding on to it.

00:15:19.120 So it's amazing what our children do

00:15:21.720 when we keep to a routine.

00:15:24.080 When we have a routine each night

00:15:26.100 or whatever it is for you

00:15:27.340 of just continuing to come together to pray.

00:15:29.440 You're teaching your child

00:15:31.380 also how to connect

00:15:32.920 and speak and listen to their creator.

00:15:36.340 What a gift that you can give your child

00:15:38.160 of like prayer is normal.

00:15:40.320 Prayer is what I do,

00:15:41.320 even if I don't do it perfectly

00:15:42.640 or if I'm doing it,

00:15:43.980 you know, being pulled,

00:15:44.980 dragged and screaming,

00:15:46.380 but I'm here in it.

00:15:47.740 And that routine of prayer is so needed.

00:15:50.980 The monks have shown us that

00:15:52.500 for, you know,

00:15:54.120 for centuries,

00:15:54.900 just the art of the routine

00:15:57.100 of having these sacred routines

00:15:58.700 in our life

00:15:59.500 is so incredibly important

00:16:01.500 to teach our children

00:16:02.840 how to have a structure

00:16:03.900 and a routine

00:16:04.720 to connect with their creator

00:16:06.700 and to speak to him

00:16:08.560 and listen to him as well.

00:16:11.000 Beautiful.

00:16:13.120 So your conversion

00:16:16.380 is very, very poignant.

00:16:17.340 And your dad,

00:16:23.800 sorry, as a dad myself,

00:16:26.420 you know,

00:16:26.840 with lots of old teens

00:16:30.060 and children in their 20s

00:16:32.240 and so on,

00:16:33.260 that recounting was so powerful.

00:16:37.020 It really, really struck.

00:16:39.020 The journey of 2,000 miles

00:16:44.080 sounds insane,

00:16:46.260 but I think every good dad

00:16:49.600 would, you know,

00:16:54.500 drive a million miles

00:16:55.360 if he could.

00:16:58.760 Wow.

00:17:00.440 Tell us a little bit

00:17:01.800 about your dad,

00:17:03.060 his experience,

00:17:03.900 if you know of it,

00:17:04.860 of doing that

00:17:06.380 and what that

00:17:09.060 specific journey

00:17:10.500 meant to you.

00:17:13.020 So my mom told me

00:17:14.340 years later,

00:17:15.500 my mom told me

00:17:18.100 years later

00:17:18.520 when I had already

00:17:19.520 been sharing this story,

00:17:21.220 she said,

00:17:21.820 I want to tell you

00:17:22.740 something that happened

00:17:23.880 that day.

00:17:24.800 I said, okay.

00:17:26.660 And she says,

00:17:28.300 when we got the call

00:17:29.020 from you,

00:17:29.920 they were always

00:17:30.440 very scared.

00:17:31.080 Let me just back up.

00:17:31.800 They were always

00:17:32.180 very scared

00:17:32.660 to receive a call

00:17:33.620 from New York

00:17:34.340 and to get that

00:17:35.060 212 area code.

00:17:36.380 And back then,

00:17:37.360 caller ID

00:17:37.840 wasn't as sophisticated

00:17:38.980 as it was now.

00:17:40.340 So they would just

00:17:41.320 get this number

00:17:42.020 and they were so scared

00:17:45.540 that it would be

00:17:46.680 somebody from a hospital

00:17:48.040 saying, you know,

00:17:49.140 we have your daughter,

00:17:51.200 you know,

00:17:51.700 she's died from

00:17:52.900 whatever,

00:17:53.360 OD or something

00:17:54.700 happened to her.

00:17:55.680 And they were,

00:17:56.300 and their fears

00:17:57.060 were justified.

00:17:58.920 My life was not

00:18:00.020 on any type

00:18:03.160 of right track.

00:18:03.800 So when they get

00:18:06.400 that call,

00:18:07.820 which I did not

00:18:08.340 call often,

00:18:08.960 they usually called

00:18:09.880 me to check in

00:18:10.560 with me.

00:18:12.100 When they get a call

00:18:13.000 from New York,

00:18:13.660 they run to the phone

00:18:14.800 and mom said,

00:18:15.840 you know,

00:18:16.520 when we got that call,

00:18:17.460 we both were running

00:18:18.520 to the phone

00:18:19.140 and your dad

00:18:21.120 picked up first

00:18:21.980 and I ran upstairs

00:18:23.800 because my dad

00:18:24.660 answered it upstairs

00:18:25.460 and my mom said,

00:18:26.320 she goes,

00:18:26.580 I ran upstairs

00:18:27.340 and dad was

00:18:28.840 sitting on the edge

00:18:31.520 of the bed

00:18:31.900 and he'd already

00:18:32.400 gotten off the phone

00:18:33.000 with you

00:18:33.320 and he just had

00:18:34.000 tears in his eyes

00:18:34.760 and my mom said

00:18:35.420 she was so scared

00:18:36.260 that they had

00:18:38.680 lost me.

00:18:42.280 But my dad turned

00:18:43.420 and he just said,

00:18:44.680 we got her back

00:18:46.240 and,

00:18:48.620 excuse me,

00:18:50.260 but that was

00:18:52.680 really powerful

00:18:54.060 for me to hear

00:18:55.060 as a daughter

00:18:55.740 and the lesson

00:18:58.180 I learned

00:18:58.700 is how much

00:18:59.340 our parents,

00:18:59.880 of course,

00:19:00.080 love us

00:19:00.420 but how much

00:19:00.900 they hurt

00:19:01.320 for us too.

00:19:02.800 That while we're

00:19:03.580 hurting because

00:19:04.440 our lives are not

00:19:05.440 on track,

00:19:06.400 our parents

00:19:07.220 who love us

00:19:07.700 so much

00:19:08.100 are also suffering

00:19:09.000 with us,

00:19:10.220 with us

00:19:11.160 and for us

00:19:11.880 but with us

00:19:12.680 and that redemptive

00:19:14.040 suffering

00:19:14.400 that they were

00:19:15.400 experiencing for me

00:19:16.880 and all the prayers,

00:19:18.260 it was all going

00:19:19.040 towards this greater

00:19:19.980 good of

00:19:20.720 honestly

00:19:21.720 saving my life

00:19:23.160 at that time

00:19:25.060 and so

00:19:26.100 my mom then

00:19:27.840 tells me

00:19:28.260 that my dad

00:19:28.800 just immediately

00:19:29.340 grabbed his

00:19:30.020 duffel bag

00:19:30.720 underneath the bed

00:19:31.760 and he just

00:19:32.240 started throwing

00:19:33.280 socks and underwear

00:19:34.760 into this bag

00:19:35.980 and my mom's

00:19:36.960 like screaming

00:19:37.460 from the other

00:19:38.020 side of the bed

00:19:38.600 saying,

00:19:38.980 Patrick,

00:19:39.440 you have to

00:19:40.080 pack pants,

00:19:41.020 like pack pants

00:19:41.920 and just reminding

00:19:43.500 him of what to pack

00:19:44.300 but he literally

00:19:45.440 left that moment.

00:19:47.340 He dropped

00:19:48.220 everything

00:19:49.040 my dad

00:19:50.120 is a dad

00:19:50.480 of six kids,

00:19:51.320 he has a full-time

00:19:52.200 job that supports

00:19:53.060 our family

00:19:53.680 and he left

00:19:54.660 everything

00:19:55.240 and he got

00:19:55.820 in the car

00:19:56.200 and just drove

00:19:57.100 east to New York

00:19:58.960 and he

00:20:00.360 did what every

00:20:01.920 dad I pray

00:20:02.700 would do

00:20:03.860 for their daughter

00:20:04.600 who is

00:20:05.300 at the point

00:20:06.680 of despair

00:20:07.840 is that he comes

00:20:09.100 and he rescues us

00:20:11.200 and he was just

00:20:11.940 looking back

00:20:13.120 on it now

00:20:13.580 I just see

00:20:14.020 this incredible

00:20:14.840 example of my

00:20:15.900 dad embodying

00:20:17.560 God the Father

00:20:19.320 of what God

00:20:20.180 the Father

00:20:20.560 wants and

00:20:21.580 desires to do

00:20:22.320 for every single

00:20:22.960 one of us

00:20:23.460 is just to come

00:20:24.200 and rescue

00:20:24.660 and to be there.

00:20:27.180 Wow.

00:20:28.860 Oh that

00:20:29.620 all dads

00:20:31.360 could follow

00:20:31.800 your dad's

00:20:32.260 example.

00:20:34.620 Beautiful.

00:20:35.060 I wanted to

00:20:37.600 ask you as well

00:20:38.460 about social

00:20:41.860 media.

00:20:43.340 There are

00:20:44.380 very many

00:20:46.200 messages given

00:20:46.980 to women on

00:20:47.620 social media

00:20:48.160 to young women

00:20:49.280 to even older

00:20:49.960 women now 1.00

00:20:50.420 because we've

00:20:51.780 spanned the

00:20:52.260 generations.

00:20:53.580 What's your

00:20:54.480 message for

00:20:55.140 women affected 0.69

00:20:55.980 by social media

00:20:56.660 and confronted

00:20:57.120 by it?

00:20:59.120 Well there's

00:20:59.900 a few there

00:21:00.520 but one is

00:21:01.720 that your

00:21:02.780 dream for your

00:21:03.480 life the dream

00:21:04.240 that God has

00:21:04.700 placed on your

00:21:05.240 heart and

00:21:05.720 there's probably

00:21:06.220 many of them

00:21:06.920 it deserves

00:21:08.580 to take up

00:21:09.540 space in your

00:21:10.780 life.

00:21:12.280 Your dream

00:21:13.040 is worth

00:21:13.420 pursuing.

00:21:14.660 It's worth

00:21:15.480 pursuing and

00:21:16.880 as you start

00:21:17.760 pursuing those

00:21:18.600 dreams that God

00:21:19.460 has given you

00:21:20.120 and trust me

00:21:21.200 you're going to

00:21:22.140 kind of fumble

00:21:22.620 along the way

00:21:23.400 but God is

00:21:24.520 patient and he

00:21:25.220 helps us

00:21:25.660 recalibrate to

00:21:26.500 keep us on

00:21:27.040 track.

00:21:27.460 Maybe we think

00:21:27.980 we're going to

00:21:28.260 do one thing

00:21:28.820 and God's

00:21:29.140 like okay we

00:21:29.580 can start there

00:21:30.160 and then I'll

00:21:30.660 pivot at the

00:21:31.740 next turn and

00:21:33.120 we can just

00:21:33.580 have confidence

00:21:34.320 and trust in

00:21:35.180 the Lord that

00:21:36.000 as we work to

00:21:36.700 fulfill these

00:21:37.200 dreams that

00:21:37.600 are on our

00:21:38.000 heart that he

00:21:38.620 will continue

00:21:39.120 to recalibrate

00:21:39.920 and keep us

00:21:40.460 on that path

00:21:41.120 but as you

00:21:42.140 do that and

00:21:42.780 as you start

00:21:43.400 growing and

00:21:44.080 you start

00:21:44.340 putting yourself

00:21:44.960 out there and

00:21:45.540 you start

00:21:45.820 fulfilling those

00:21:46.420 dreams you got

00:21:47.500 to know that

00:21:48.020 other people are

00:21:49.420 going to have

00:21:50.100 an opinion about

00:21:51.240 what you're doing

00:21:52.080 and how you're

00:21:52.720 doing it and

00:21:54.280 just remember I

00:21:55.340 saw this on

00:21:56.380 social media and

00:21:57.040 I thought it was

00:21:57.520 great it's not

00:21:58.120 my own but I

00:21:58.720 saw it and it

00:21:59.100 said your dream

00:22:00.380 and your vision

00:22:01.060 for your life

00:22:01.900 with God is not

00:22:03.180 a conference call

00:22:04.080 it is a one-on-one

00:22:05.620 conversation between

00:22:06.580 you and the

00:22:07.100 Lord and other

00:22:07.740 people's opinions

00:22:08.640 they're just other

00:22:10.160 people's opinions

00:22:10.900 and they don't

00:22:11.580 get a say in

00:22:12.880 your mission that

00:22:14.080 the Lord has in

00:22:14.880 store for you

00:22:15.460 and if your

00:22:16.380 mission by the

00:22:17.020 way ladies is 1.00

00:22:19.080 to have a

00:22:20.100 family to be

00:22:21.360 home with your

00:22:21.900 babies that's a 0.75

00:22:22.720 phenomenal mission

00:22:23.740 that's an amazing

00:22:25.160 dream like we

00:22:26.540 sometimes think of

00:22:27.400 these dreams as

00:22:28.200 like just like

00:22:28.780 entrepreneurial ideas

00:22:30.060 or like a business

00:22:30.800 idea but that

00:22:31.480 that's not it

00:22:32.080 like sometimes

00:22:33.120 dreams for me

00:22:33.900 are I want a

00:22:35.480 clean and ordered

00:22:36.140 home my some

00:22:38.080 of my dreams are

00:22:38.800 like making a

00:22:39.540 home-cooked meal

00:22:40.140 every night for

00:22:40.920 my family you

00:22:42.140 know or at least

00:22:42.580 five out of the

00:22:43.240 seven nights those

00:22:44.720 are great dreams

00:22:45.760 whatever your dream

00:22:46.820 is big small tiny

00:22:48.340 whatever it might

00:22:49.200 be it's worth

00:22:50.120 pursuing and you

00:22:51.560 have to remember

00:22:52.140 that there's always

00:22:52.800 going to be people

00:22:53.500 out there especially

00:22:54.420 on social media that

00:22:55.920 are not going to

00:22:56.440 love you not going

00:22:57.120 to support you but

00:22:57.860 keep in mind they

00:22:58.740 weren't invited into

00:22:59.680 that call with you

00:23:00.500 and the Lord

00:23:00.960 beautiful one of

00:23:04.160 the things that

00:23:05.240 happens nowadays

00:23:07.960 is there is an

00:23:09.160 intrusion you know

00:23:11.480 there's a lot of

00:23:12.480 moms who help

00:23:15.340 actually a lot of

00:23:16.580 other women with

00:23:17.680 advice I know you

00:23:18.780 do that an awful

00:23:19.620 lot but there is

00:23:21.480 something nowadays

00:23:22.300 that tends to

00:23:24.360 dislike what you

00:23:25.360 might say

00:23:25.800 particularly if you

00:23:26.840 hit on particular

00:23:28.020 topics that are

00:23:29.300 out of vogue

00:23:31.800 let's say or

00:23:32.660 what the media

00:23:34.040 censors don't like

00:23:34.780 and then there's

00:23:35.200 censorship have

00:23:36.360 you yourself faced

00:23:37.060 any of that

00:23:37.480 cancel culture

00:23:38.120 yeah absolutely

00:23:39.900 I currently am

00:23:41.420 facing it right now

00:23:42.480 on my Facebook

00:23:43.420 page for some

00:23:44.540 reason it

00:23:45.520 happened shortly

00:23:46.240 after let's

00:23:48.540 see 29

00:23:49.380 2020 January

00:23:50.800 2020 shortly

00:23:51.740 after that I

00:23:52.400 become I began

00:23:53.580 becoming censored

00:23:54.760 on Facebook after

00:23:55.660 I posted my

00:23:57.400 post an article

00:23:59.040 a video of my

00:23:59.980 response to

00:24:00.660 Michelle Williams

00:24:01.400 when she attributed

00:24:02.600 her golden globe

00:24:04.280 to her to the

00:24:05.260 abortion that she 0.75

00:24:06.480 had so that she

00:24:07.300 could make this

00:24:07.860 particular film or

00:24:09.100 movie I was

00:24:10.600 actually in labor

00:24:11.240 with my fifth baby

00:24:12.160 at the time and

00:24:13.220 I call it as you

00:24:15.060 know being guided

00:24:16.160 by the Holy Spirit

00:24:16.980 but I decided in the

00:24:17.920 middle of early

00:24:18.740 labor keep that in

00:24:19.700 mind it was early

00:24:20.340 labor I posted a

00:24:21.700 video and I was

00:24:22.340 like look I'm having

00:24:23.040 my fifth baby

00:24:23.720 babies don't keep 1.00

00:24:25.020 you from your

00:24:25.440 dreams in fact

00:24:26.060 they are the dream

00:24:26.960 and they make our

00:24:27.820 dreams more fruitful

00:24:28.660 and better than you

00:24:29.960 ever could imagine

00:24:30.680 and so I gave that

00:24:31.500 message since then

00:24:32.800 Facebook has

00:24:33.480 definitely censored

00:24:34.380 me and my growth

00:24:35.380 completely since that

00:24:37.140 time but you know

00:24:38.900 there's other

00:24:39.300 different types of

00:24:39.980 cancel there's also

00:24:41.100 we often think about

00:24:42.040 canceling from the

00:24:42.940 outside like the

00:24:43.800 secular world onto

00:24:44.800 the onto the

00:24:45.840 Christian world but 0.99

00:24:47.040 there's canceling

00:24:48.080 within the Christian

00:24:49.860 and Catholic world I

00:24:51.500 mean I currently just

00:24:52.480 experienced that right

00:24:53.400 now I launched my

00:24:54.180 new program power

00:24:55.080 made perfect which

00:24:56.800 is a coaching

00:24:57.420 program in and

00:24:58.700 personal development

00:24:59.500 personal growth it's

00:25:01.340 not spiritual formation

00:25:02.360 it's not therapy it's

00:25:03.420 personal growth but in

00:25:04.880 that and in launching

00:25:05.940 that there was a slew

00:25:08.000 of fellow my fellow

00:25:10.200 Christians my fellow

00:25:11.920 Catholics who are 0.63

00:25:13.040 attempting to cancel

00:25:13.900 what I'm doing most

00:25:15.440 of them misunderstanding

00:25:16.440 the message or maybe

00:25:18.380 they just don't like me

00:25:19.440 but there's you you get

00:25:20.720 this type of cancel

00:25:21.620 culture everywhere and

00:25:23.780 we shouldn't be naive

00:25:24.640 to think that it's

00:25:25.320 just from the secular

00:25:26.040 world there's a lot

00:25:27.420 of canceling within the

00:25:28.620 church that is also

00:25:29.720 trying to happen as

00:25:30.940 well absolutely tell us

00:25:34.460 a little bit more about

00:25:35.240 that about your new

00:25:35.900 program yeah so power

00:25:37.660 made perfect is a 14

00:25:39.480 week program it's a

00:25:41.280 Christo centric

00:25:42.440 approach to personal

00:25:43.480 development so I love

00:25:45.600 personal development I've

00:25:46.740 been into that world and

00:25:47.980 taking a lot of

00:25:48.620 programs from a lot of

00:25:49.660 different people in the

00:25:50.400 personal development

00:25:50.920 world for the past easy

00:25:52.200 10 years and I've

00:25:54.040 taken them all and I

00:25:54.840 love them I have my

00:25:56.200 master's in theology and

00:25:57.340 so you know thank God I

00:25:59.040 was able to kind of you

00:25:59.900 know put in what I've

00:26:01.260 learned and through

00:26:02.120 reading and through my

00:26:02.960 studies to kind of fill

00:26:04.180 the gap of that space

00:26:05.540 between the personal

00:26:06.400 development world the

00:26:07.580 secular world that it is

00:26:08.700 and then you know my

00:26:09.540 beliefs and my faith and

00:26:11.200 it's kind of come it kind

00:26:12.160 of came to a point in my

00:26:13.420 speaking career I've been

00:26:14.340 speaking now for 14 years

00:26:16.040 and I've been talking to

00:26:17.600 literally hundreds

00:26:18.380 thousands of women and 0.97

00:26:20.680 over these 14 years the

00:26:22.240 questions that I usually

00:26:23.260 get the help that they're

00:26:24.460 asking me for is actually

00:26:26.200 not spiritual formation

00:26:27.700 they're more human

00:26:29.100 formation elements it's

00:26:30.420 how do I forgive myself

00:26:31.520 how do I have a better

00:26:32.320 routine how do I make

00:26:33.580 this happen in my life

00:26:34.620 how do I make my my my

00:26:36.060 dreams how do I know if

00:26:37.020 this dream is from God or

00:26:38.040 not they're more on the

00:26:39.480 human formation side and

00:26:41.440 so that spurred this

00:26:43.800 interest in this desire in

00:26:45.360 my heart to just help

00:26:46.440 people in that particular

00:26:47.420 area to become a high

00:26:48.920 performer in your life

00:26:50.480 with Christ at the center

00:26:52.540 with Christ at the center

00:26:53.900 and so that's what this

00:26:55.060 program does it's a 14

00:26:56.220 week online group group

00:26:57.640 coaching program where I

00:26:59.240 guide people through this

00:27:00.220 process we've divided the

00:27:01.840 program into the first

00:27:02.780 half which is restoration

00:27:03.940 and that's really just

00:27:05.340 kind of working on that

00:27:06.220 interior life and then

00:27:07.700 the second half is

00:27:08.460 resurrection where we

00:27:09.380 really start putting into

00:27:10.300 practice all of those

00:27:11.200 great skills into our life

00:27:12.380 to make those dreams

00:27:13.040 happen just because people

00:27:15.760 might be interested in

00:27:16.480 right now what it's a

00:27:17.300 called and what's the

00:27:17.880 website sure it's called

00:27:19.300 power made perfect it's

00:27:21.100 from second Corinthians

00:27:22.340 12 9 where Jesus says

00:27:24.020 my grace is sufficient for

00:27:25.500 you for my power is made

00:27:26.860 perfect in weakness and

00:27:28.580 again you can find all of

00:27:29.740 that at leah darrow dot com

00:27:31.740 leah darrow dot com you can

00:27:33.580 go there and go to my

00:27:34.500 coaching page and you'll see

00:27:35.740 the program and all that it

00:27:36.740 has to offer excellent

00:27:39.060 excellent now those who

00:27:40.560 follow you on social media

00:27:41.600 will often see hashtag

00:27:44.660 babies and dreams what's

00:27:46.300 that all about that came

00:27:48.340 from actually that post

00:27:49.960 that I put out in response

00:27:51.320 to Michelle Williams and

00:27:53.300 that was gosh that was

00:27:54.840 over two and a half years

00:27:55.840 ago now and that was just

00:27:57.420 what I did I just did

00:27:58.340 hashtag babies and dreams

00:27:59.660 after that post I've just

00:28:01.440 it just seemed to be

00:28:02.220 obvious like babies and 0.62

00:28:03.680 dreams go together do we

00:28:04.680 not know this is this like a

00:28:05.820 new thing that women were 1.00

00:28:07.440 not were like we're told

00:28:08.460 and it seems to be the

00:28:10.380 case it seems to be that

00:28:11.460 so many young women think 1.00

00:28:13.020 that if they get married

00:28:14.640 and have babies it is the

00:28:15.860 end of your dreams that 0.97

00:28:17.100 babies crush and they kill

00:28:18.940 dreams that's absolutely

00:28:20.880 not the case the only thing

00:28:22.180 that kills dreams is 0.62

00:28:23.180 killing a baby they don't 0.53

00:28:24.560 even get to experience the 0.91

00:28:25.540 dream and so the the whole

00:28:27.720 hashtag of babies and

00:28:28.900 dreams is just a space and

00:28:30.920 a movement where we can

00:28:32.440 support women to continue

00:28:34.440 following their dreams of

00:28:35.620 being a mother being

00:28:36.400 whatever God has given

00:28:37.340 them and having their

00:28:38.720 having their family too

00:28:39.900 beautiful and just to to

00:28:44.940 round everything up Leah

00:28:46.320 I thought I'd ask you

00:28:47.500 about your relationship to

00:28:50.840 the woman our mother of

00:28:53.660 God Mary most holy I know

00:28:54.640 is a great inspiration for

00:28:55.900 you in fact I believe you

00:28:56.740 consecrated your marriage to

00:28:58.360 our lady tell us about the

00:28:59.960 consecration why you did

00:29:00.740 that and what our lady

00:29:02.320 means to you well she's

00:29:05.700 right there she's kind of

00:29:06.400 the hinge right to so many

00:29:08.560 things the consecration to

00:29:11.560 our lady and for my

00:29:13.060 marriage Ricky and I

00:29:14.840 decided to do that that

00:29:16.060 was a family tradition is a

00:29:18.260 family tradition to my

00:29:19.080 family you know from my own

00:29:21.980 parents to all of my

00:29:23.120 aunts and uncles to my

00:29:24.220 grandparents and I think

00:29:25.320 my great-grandparents and

00:29:26.380 this is something that down

00:29:27.480 the line of my family we've

00:29:30.420 always done and this this

00:29:32.180 little prayer and a little

00:29:32.920 piece of paper has been

00:29:34.520 passed on to every single

00:29:35.760 person and now we just

00:29:36.740 take pictures of it we

00:29:38.220 pull up our phone and we

00:29:39.120 say this prayer and I even

00:29:40.900 have aunts who have hand

00:29:42.760 stitched and like hand

00:29:44.020 stitched the prayer on a

00:29:45.300 piece of cloth and frame it

00:29:46.560 in their home like it is just

00:29:47.580 a thing in our family because

00:29:49.660 we know that our lady guides

00:29:51.320 us to Christ and that is her

00:29:52.940 job it's just this constant

00:29:54.640 direction pointing to Christ

00:29:56.860 and so we need all the help we

00:30:00.180 can get in this world this

00:30:01.480 world is tough and so when it

00:30:03.480 comes to marriage absolutely

00:30:05.280 it's a marriage is an elite

00:30:07.940 club for selfless people you

00:30:09.980 know and it's it's it's a

00:30:12.280 hard one to stay in let me

00:30:13.540 tell you but it's absolutely

00:30:14.580 worth it and so our lady is

00:30:15.840 there to help us along the way

00:30:17.480 with that we've also

00:30:18.420 consecrated all of our 0.95

00:30:19.320 children to our lady to Jesus

00:30:21.480 through Mary at their at

00:30:23.500 their baptisms as well and

00:30:25.460 it's I think it's something

00:30:27.040 important to remember that the

00:30:28.100 consecration is not enough I

00:30:30.780 think sometimes you know we

00:30:32.100 can't be too transactional with

00:30:35.680 our faith like well if I do

00:30:36.900 this I get this it's it's the

00:30:40.200 daily thought it's the turning

00:30:43.080 of the heart every day it's the

00:30:45.200 working on it every single day

00:30:46.520 that's what changes the prayer

00:30:49.420 itself doesn't change you

00:30:51.000 believing that prayer and

00:30:52.500 practicing the prayer not by

00:30:54.360 words but by actions is what

00:30:56.080 changes us and so the prayer is

00:30:59.200 beautiful and it's a beautiful

00:31:00.400 act but if you say that prayer

00:31:02.240 and then you do nothing not a

00:31:05.000 lot will happen outside of God's

00:31:06.760 grace of course but we have to

00:31:08.820 take action in our life to be

00:31:10.140 that active player so that we

00:31:12.180 know that life our life and our

00:31:14.300 prayer life is not just this

00:31:15.660 prayer of transactions where I

00:31:17.520 said this prayer and I should get

00:31:18.660 this I say this prayer and I

00:31:20.540 should be closer to Jesus what are

00:31:22.180 we doing with that prayer are you

00:31:23.640 living the prayer or are you just

00:31:25.720 saying the prayer and so when it

00:31:27.640 comes to the consecration when it

00:31:28.880 comes to any prayer that we do in

00:31:30.100 our life for our families for our

00:31:31.340 marriages for our children we need

00:31:33.000 to make sure that we're putting

00:31:33.800 into action the prayers that we say

00:31:36.200 beautiful

00:31:39.540 Leodaro thank you so much for what

00:31:41.920 you're doing for not only for

00:31:44.640 women but for families and 1.00

00:31:47.700 please is your dad still living yes

00:31:52.760 please tell him kudos for me I hope

00:31:55.540 to be a dad as good as he is amen

00:31:57.740 amen I will tell him thank you

00:32:00.380 Leah God bless you thank you so

00:32:02.760 much and God bless all of you we'll

00:32:06.680 see you next time

00:32:07.360 you

00:32:18.500 you

00:32:20.500 you

00:32:22.500 you

00:32:24.500 you

00:32:26.500 you

The John-Henry Westen Show - August 12, 2022

Ex-model turned pro-life speaker： Raising children doesn't mean women can't achieve their dreams too

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