The John-Henry Westen Show - August 24, 2023


EXCLUSIVE: Bishop Joseph Strickland - America's Bishop | Part 2


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33 minutes

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149.72546

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5,072

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314

Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary

Bishop Joseph Strickland of the Diocese of Tyler, Texas has the highest rate of seminarians and ordinations of any diocese in the country per capita. Why is this happening? And why not other dioceses?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Probably the list of reasons that I got the visitation. I mean, it's very long because
00:00:05.100 the truth is out there in so many different ways, and I try to support it in so many different ways.
00:00:12.300 Having a president who calls himself Catholic and pushing the atrocity of abortion,
00:00:18.560 that's wrong in so many ways. We should be roaring, stop this.
00:00:30.000 So, I hope you watched part one of our interview with Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas.
00:00:35.660 And again, we were so very blessed to be there. If you haven't watched part one, go do that right now.
00:00:40.420 But if you have, this second part of the interview is really interesting because the big question on
00:00:46.500 everyone's mind is, if this bishop is so successful such that he has the highest rate of seminarians
00:00:54.140 and ordinations of the whole country per capita, in fact, if you had some of the bigger dioceses
00:00:59.800 like Chicago, they should have tens of thousands of seminarians. Tens of thousands of ordinations
00:01:05.100 per year, but they don't, of course. So, there's a big problem here, a big disconnect.
00:01:11.220 Why is the Vatican doing a visitation, which is a disciplinary measure, meant to offer censure?
00:01:17.600 Why is that happening to Bishop Strickland? There's a letter from the faithful in the diocese
00:01:22.060 that was published at the Remnant and at LifeSite News and other places about the grave scandal that
00:01:27.900 this is causing. What is scandal? Scandal is being taken into a sin. And what is the problem here is
00:01:33.760 that Bishop Strickland is upholding the constant teaching of the church that we've had for 2,000
00:01:39.760 years. He's outspokenly defending it when many other bishops are flouting it, totally going against
00:01:47.180 it openly. Those same bishops are being named cardinals, are giving huge spots in the Vatican,
00:01:51.860 and huge clout in the church. And yet Bishop Strickland, for defending the faith with all of
00:01:59.760 the great things you might expect from a bishop, like their finances are doing well, their ordinations
00:02:04.960 are doing well, their religious life is doing well. Why is he getting a visitation and not the others?
00:02:11.940 Well, we've asked that question of Bishop Strickland himself. And on this second part of the interview
00:02:16.900 with Bishop Strickland, you'll hear it from the horse's own mouth. Stay tuned to this episode of
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00:04:13.640 For LifeSite News, this is John Henry Weston. And may God bless you.
00:04:16.560 You have experienced something that's a great shock because there are, by what I've been told and can
00:04:26.480 see evidence of, there's been 400 or so families that have moved to Tyler because of Bishop Strickland
00:04:33.000 is here. Hopefully because of Jesus Christ. Yeah, but He kind of, our Lord kind of emanates from you in
00:04:39.240 a kind of a special way. And they're wanting to move here because they see a vibrancy of faith in
00:04:45.620 yourself and in those you have attracted to the diocese. We are here to cover the beautiful final
00:04:53.680 vows of Mother Miriam, a nun who formed her order with Cardinal Burke and then was restricted by several
00:05:00.300 bishops from being able even to complete her final vows. She had postulants who were there at the time
00:05:07.160 and they were told to leave. There was only one sister who had professed and been clothed and
00:05:13.800 she was able to stay. She stayed with her for the last decade or so, but also unable to make even
00:05:20.140 vows. And it's been a sad journey for her and, you know, she's an outspoken, does the daily show.
00:05:28.580 She's, in my estimation, she's the new Mother Angelica who, you know, really in a very similar way,
00:05:34.760 her show is Mother Miriam Live, right after Mother Angelica's. And so these kinds of things have
00:05:42.940 happened in the church at large where really, I want to say, holy Catholics have come for refuge here.
00:05:50.600 And that, in turn, has attracted others and made for a beautiful, a vibrant faith in the middle of,
00:05:58.120 what do you call it, the buckle of the Bible belt, you know, the Vatican of the kind of Protestant
00:06:07.800 movement here in America. And yet it's here. That's beautiful all by itself. But how come you see
00:06:14.420 this and there's many, many in the episcopacy who don't seem to? How come you can see what's going on
00:06:24.440 in the church at large and speak to it, whereas almost all your confreres are silent? Having,
00:06:32.520 basically, in the English-speaking world, there's only two bishops that I know of that are speaking
00:06:38.600 loudly to the culture, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, who's already in, you know, in Siberia so they can't
00:06:45.960 send them any further away than yourself. How do you get it in that sense? And everybody doesn't.
00:06:55.080 Well, John Henry, I think that is the million-dollar question.
00:07:00.840 I don't know that I have the answer. I'm mystified that me, you know, a kid from,
00:07:07.640 you know, outside Atlanta, Texas. Why me and how me? But really, having said that,
00:07:18.920 the answer is very clear to why I know this truth. Because I know Him. I know Jesus Christ. And through
00:07:27.560 prayer, and it's not because of me at all. It really isn't. Part of my prayer at every Mass is,
00:07:38.280 I'm nothing. You're everything. And that's the reality. I don't have any super gift of anything. I'm
00:07:46.680 not sort of some, you know, special gift. He is. And I guess the gift that I have received is
00:07:58.360 knowing Christ. And, you know, really, it's interesting as we talk, the sanctity of the life
00:08:07.240 of the unborn is the human issue for us. I truly believe that everything leads back to that.
00:08:17.240 For the church, you could say the divine issue is the Eucharist, the Eucharistic presence of
00:08:25.480 Christ. He's here because He promised He would be. He's here to strengthen us as those who came
00:08:34.120 from God and need to keep that connection. I mean, better connected than an actual concrete, yes,
00:08:41.960 it's challenging for all of us to pray before what appears to the world and even to us. I mean,
00:08:50.120 it looks like just a flat, round piece of bread. Very uninteresting, you know, in terms of the world and
00:08:59.000 all the pizazz the world wants. But He's really there. He's really present. And that's the tragedy,
00:09:07.160 spiritually speaking, of the church. Both are, you know, it's hard to say which is more tragic,
00:09:13.000 the lack of respect for the sanctity of life or the lack of belief in the real presence.
00:09:20.520 But for us as Catholics, they're two linchpins of living our faith,
00:09:27.560 of living what God is calling us to do. And to answer your question, why me? You look at Scripture,
00:09:36.120 you look at so many examples, you look at the Twelve Apostles. I mean,
00:09:40.120 I mean, God chooses the unlikely, little, meaningless, forgotten of the world. God says,
00:09:50.520 I'm going to use this one. And, you know, that's sort of a scary acknowledgement. But,
00:09:58.280 you know, and I'm a very, you know, frail and broken and weak instrument, but I feel God using me.
00:10:05.960 And I qualify as nothing, you know. God takes nothing and makes something out of it through
00:10:14.040 His grace. But that's the reason. That's the strength I have, is spending time with Christ
00:10:22.440 in what I've come to call His Eucharistic face. That comes from various spiritual reading that I've
00:10:29.960 done that speaks in that way. And that's something that I didn't always have that. But
00:10:35.800 I think it speaks of an intimacy that we need to continue to try to deepen. A Eucharistic face
00:10:44.440 really starts to, for me, transform that time in prayer in His presence, to really believe and to know
00:10:56.200 that the same Christ that we read about in the Gospels, the same Jesus who died on the cross,
00:11:02.920 He's right there. And you can talk to Him about what was it really like in Gethsemane.
00:11:10.200 And, I mean, to me, praying the rosary and the Eucharistic adoration are, that's what the world
00:11:17.080 needs to do in this. I mean, we talk about issues in the church and they're devastating for us as people
00:11:23.240 of faith, that there's so much lack of faith. And the horizontal is just taken over. But for the world,
00:11:31.080 we need to recognize we come from God. And the best way to get reconnected to Him is through God,
00:11:41.560 through His Son. And He's with us. He's here. He's down the hall. And we're going to go spend some time
00:11:47.400 with Him after we talk. That is what, that's, you ask the question, how come, and I'm sure that
00:11:56.680 Bishop Athanasia Schneider would say the same thing. We've had a chance to talk a couple of times,
00:12:01.640 and we kind of laugh about it. I mean, God has a sense of humor, and He does choose the forgotten.
00:12:08.360 I mean, like you said, He's already in Siberia. I, you know, this would be the, it's a beautiful
00:12:16.440 place in Tyler, Texas. But as far as, you know, some place to, you know, if I need to be sent
00:12:24.120 somewhere as a punishment, I mean, this is where you'd be sent. So I'm already here. But why the two
00:12:32.120 of us? I don't know. But that is probably one of the most frequent questions that I get, is why
00:12:38.280 why are you speaking up? And, and there are plenty of people that say, I shouldn't be.
00:12:42.520 Even right here in Tyler, we wish he would just shut up. He's just so disruptive to things. But
00:12:49.160 I feel compelled. I mean, I read St. Paul in his writings, and I truly feel compelled to do this,
00:12:56.920 not because I'm worthy of it, not because I'm the best instrument, but because I know the truth. And it's
00:13:04.200 glorious, it's beautiful, it's joyful, it's life-giving. It's not some, the truth is spoken
00:13:10.760 of, I mean, at least if you think of dogma and doctrine and the solid teachings of our faith,
00:13:16.520 that truly does set us free. It's spoken of by people high in the church as, as if it was horrible
00:13:24.360 shackles and diminishing our abilities to, to live in the human community, get rid of this dogma,
00:13:32.040 this doctrine, these teachings. That's devastating. The beauty of who we are as people of God, as
00:13:38.840 children of God, has been defined and clarified and revealed to us through those teachings. Yes,
00:13:47.080 they're challenging. But as Pope Benedict XVI says, one of my favorite quotes of his,
00:13:53.960 we're not made for comfort, we're made for greatness. And to me, that speaks of everything
00:14:00.200 I've said about that newly conceived child, which both of us were not that long ago, really. I mean,
00:14:08.600 we've lived a life. I'm 64 years old. But 64 years ago, I started with a potential from God that,
00:14:16.760 you know, I'm a sinner. I've messed up certainly along the way, but I've done my best to fulfill
00:14:23.480 what is God's will. And that's what we all need to be looking for. Father, what is your will for me?
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00:16:05.560 When I was speaking with a friend of yours who helps you a lot, Rich, he was talking to me about you and
00:16:11.720 about, I asked him the question too, and he told me something that, for me, totally answered the
00:16:19.000 question. He talked about your adorations before Mass that sometimes last like up to two hours,
00:16:26.200 and you just kneel there before our Lord exposed in the Blessed Sacrament. And I was like, oh, of course.
00:16:33.080 That's why you soak in Him and you're before Him. How in the world did you think to do that?
00:16:42.520 As a layman, if I dream of being a priest, you administer to people, you do all sorts of things,
00:16:50.440 and you offer the Holy Sacrifice, which is unthinkably beautiful. But that ability to
00:16:56.760 reach our Lord in the tabernacle and bring Him out and talk to Him literally face-to-face, that's
00:17:03.640 incredible. But you're one of the few people I know who take real huge advantage of that. How did you
00:17:12.120 get to that? That's a beautiful thing. I really don't know the total answer,
00:17:18.360 but I do know very clearly, just chronologically and just spiritually,
00:17:27.400 and it's not going to surprise you at all, it started with His mother. It started with Mary.
00:17:33.320 And as a Catholic kid, I was born into and raised in a Catholic family. I call myself a deep vert,
00:17:42.120 if anything. I didn't revert. I'm not a convert. I've always been Catholic, but I've gone deeper
00:17:47.240 and deeper, especially since I've been a bishop. So I always prayed the rosary, but really, and I'm
00:17:55.480 not, I know it's been since I've been a bishop. I really believe that anointing, I mean, which
00:18:04.440 we believe. I mean, that's the fullness of holy orders. We have all this beautiful theology, and I
00:18:10.040 feel like I'm living it, you know, that it changed me. It deepened the faith in me. And one of the
00:18:19.480 first signs of that, you could say, was a deeper engagement in praying the rosary. You know, as a
00:18:26.200 Catholic kid, I didn't know how to pray the rosary, and I prayed the rosary. And, you know, as rector of
00:18:31.000 the cathedral for 16 years, countless funerals, you know, pray a rosary. That's the tradition here,
00:18:37.240 is a rosary the night before. And it's interesting, even as we're talking, you know, because, you know,
00:18:44.760 this doesn't happen overnight. I mean, you know, unlike St. Paul, I didn't get knocked down by a bolt
00:18:52.040 of light, but it's just a gradual process. And even talking about the rosary, I hadn't really even
00:18:59.160 thought of this before, but praying the rosary, which is our tradition, the night before a funeral,
00:19:05.000 which I've done countless funerals for wonderful people through 16 years as assistant and then as
00:19:11.640 rector of the cathedral. But I developed a rosary prayer that really, it's very interesting because I
00:19:21.000 hadn't put it all together until right now. But because the way I look at the rosary, the way I pray
00:19:26.680 the rosary is the journey through Christ's life. And I'm sure it's not rocket science. A lot of
00:19:31.720 people do that, but it's become a deep part of the rosary for me. The first, you know, joyful mystery,
00:19:39.720 the conception, the annunciation of what's being announced is Jesus is conceived in the womb,
00:19:46.440 all the way through to the last glorious mystery where the woman whose womb he was conceived in is
00:19:52.680 what we're celebrating today. The fifth glorious mystery, the assumption of the blessed Virgin Mary,
00:19:57.560 or the fourth glorious mystery, the assumption of Mary, that I began praying those rosaries
00:20:05.560 before, you know, the night before a funeral, just five decades. But I would take
00:20:12.680 a joyful mystery, a sorrowful mystery, a luminous mystery of glorious, because that's life. We have
00:20:18.600 joyful, we have sorrowful, we have glorious, we have luminous, and we have a lot of just ordinary,
00:20:24.040 you know. But that's what I began to do. And I realize now, just as we're talking, that that's what
00:20:31.000 really just expanded, you know, exponentially in my own spiritual journey as I pray the rosary.
00:20:38.760 I mean, you know, sometimes, you know, and I pray the rosary in a lot of different ways.
00:20:43.800 Now, sometimes I can, you know, it just sort of wherever the spirit moves me. And I pray the rosary
00:20:51.240 a lot of times in the presence of the Eucharist and Eucharistic adoration. But sometimes I'll just
00:21:00.440 continue to reflect on just one mystery and just keep, you know, praying the decades, but just stay
00:21:06.120 with the one mystery. And it's gone so far beyond, you know, the typical when you do a rosary together.
00:21:12.040 I mean, I'm sure I'd drive people crazy if I started going off into my own reflections. But
00:21:17.240 you just say, the Annunciation, and then you pray the Our Father. I can stay with the Annunciation
00:21:23.640 for a whole rosary or beyond. And I love to also weave in, I mean, the devotion to the Sacred Heart is
00:21:32.840 deeply significant to me ever since, you know, as a child. And it's just continued to grow as well.
00:21:39.480 I love to think of where is Christ's Sacred Heart in each of those mysteries. So those kind of things.
00:21:45.640 And I think that the conversation, you know, continues because as I grow closer to Him,
00:21:53.080 then I see Him more clearly. And then as I see Him more clearly, I grow closer. So it's just a beautiful
00:22:00.200 sort of conversation with the Lord that it all is. I mean, reading the Gospels. I'm going through the
00:22:09.320 Bible in a year right now that's actually published by the Augustine Institute, the version that's,
00:22:15.080 you know, not recorded, but just an actual book you read. I'm a couple of days behind right now
00:22:20.280 because it's been busy. But, you know, there's a free, like today is the 15th of August. There are
00:22:26.600 readings for the 15th of August. And I've loved to, you know, the way this is put together,
00:22:32.680 Old Testament readings and New Testament. I just started the book of Judith, and we're reading
00:22:37.400 through the letters of Paul. And it, you know, there are just so many connections there. And you
00:22:42.360 see so much more clearly how the journey of the people of Israel is our ancestry. And we are the
00:22:49.800 new Israel continuing to live that. So it just sort of keeps growing from there. And honestly,
00:22:57.480 I forget what your question was, but hopefully I'm answering it.
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00:23:44.200 May God bless you. One of the things where we started talking was about the visitation that happened
00:23:51.720 to you. And it was shocking to a lot of people in that the powers that be, you might say, would dare to
00:23:58.680 do that because you are a beloved bishop. And not only by your diocese, there are, because you've been
00:24:06.680 given the gift by our Lord, as you say, and I totally believe that, to speak the truth in a time of real,
00:24:13.000 real silence. Not only even in America, actually in almost all the world. It's a very strange time of
00:24:20.200 silence from the voices that should speak. You know, the one who should have spoken remains silent is one of
00:24:26.360 the passages that I've read over and over again. And so your visitation was kind of expected by some,
00:24:33.560 like, yeah, that figures. And there was a great concern. Oh, will he be canceled? Two questions for
00:24:40.040 you. Why do you think there was a visitation to you? And what would that mean? You haven't stopped
00:24:50.200 speaking since the visitation? And what are your thoughts about being canceled? Why did it happen?
00:25:00.200 I think it goes back to what we, one of the earlier things we've talked about just now is
00:25:07.560 I'm looking up. I'm looking, I'm looking up and I'm looking to the, the deposit of faith, the, the,
00:25:19.160 the beautiful and ancient truth that stretches back for 2000 years, really. I mean, you know,
00:25:26.440 not fully formed and I, you know, people throw, you know, rocks at me saying, oh, this has only been for
00:25:33.400 this century. But all of that is just noise. We have a beautiful treasure of truth. And I keep pointing
00:25:41.320 to it. Um, that sadly is in conflict with the, the tone of the horizontal look at things. I mean,
00:25:53.480 frankly, I mean, there are probably many reasons. I mean, you could sort of, I mean, the, the strong
00:25:59.960 sort of, um, being so outspoken about the sanctity of life. I mean, which, you know, I mean, the church
00:26:07.480 thankfully still says life from conception to natural death, but politically speaking, I mean,
00:26:14.360 everything's politicized these days, but speaking out too much on that and saying things like having
00:26:21.160 a president who calls himself Catholic and pushing the atrocity of abortion, that's just, that's wrong in so
00:26:29.560 many ways. We should be roaring. Stop this. Either, you know, something's got to be, I mean, I pray for
00:26:37.640 the man, but there needs to be a conversion or there needs to be a clean statement that he's,
00:26:45.160 he's not Catholic. He's not of the Catholic spirit or mindset. You know, so, I mean, probably the list of
00:26:53.800 reasons that I got the visitation. I mean, it's very long because the truth is out there in so
00:27:00.840 many different ways. And I try to support it in so many different ways. I mean, the things with
00:27:06.360 mandating the vaccine, I'm sure that that was a, another check marks. Oh, we got to check on this guy.
00:27:12.680 How can we mandate erasing people's free will? Talk about forgetting who we're connected to. I mean,
00:27:19.720 that is one of the deepest connections that, and thankfully, you know, even our society hasn't
00:27:27.000 developed a way to get into your heart and mind and tell you, no, you can't believe that. I'm sure
00:27:33.880 there, there are many that would love to develop that ability to tell it, to take away our free will,
00:27:39.160 but mandates to me, we can't mandate things against people's free will. And that was going on.
00:27:46.280 You know, I mean, there were people that were very upset with me for speaking out against,
00:27:53.320 you know, vaccines and medical treatments that are being proven and people aren't paying much
00:27:59.560 attention that I can see, but they're being proven to be not very helpful, if not deeply damaging to
00:28:07.800 human life. And so, like I said, I think there are many reasons because I do speak out and I feel
00:28:15.160 compelled to, as I said earlier. I think that in many ways, it's like I'm the opposite of what
00:28:25.080 is the accepted norm. Stay quiet, keep your head down, just be part of this conference of bishops or
00:28:32.680 this group, and don't say anything individually. And I'm, yeah, I'm Bishop of Tyler. Where's that? Who is he?
00:28:41.000 I'm sure that question is asked all the time, but I'm a successor of the apostles. And, and I think
00:28:47.960 that that is a disconnect that, you know, I don't want to judge anyone else. I mean, I'm concerned
00:28:54.920 about my own judgment and doing my best to live out a mandate that I've been given. But when you think
00:29:02.760 about being a successor of the apostles, it's very different than being part of a conference of
00:29:09.640 bishops or being part of this group or, you know, sort of operating in the more corporate structure
00:29:15.720 that the church has. A successor of the apostles, you look back to the original apostles, for one thing,
00:29:21.720 they died, but they died joyfully and clearly proclaiming the truth. And so if that's what gets
00:29:32.280 you an investigation or a visitation, okay, then yeah, I'll be, I'll be visited because
00:29:43.000 I feel compelled to speak out. And as far as actually being canceled, as I've said before,
00:29:53.560 I don't know. I mean, I know very little, really. I know the conversation I had with the two bishops
00:30:00.680 that came and spoke to a lot of people here. But I don't know what happens next, when, what happens
00:30:08.840 next? If something happens? I don't know. But I try to just continue to do my job and to teach the truth.
00:30:18.680 And no, I haven't been silenced. I can't see any way that I can cease to speak the truth
00:30:29.640 as Bishop of Tyler or not as Bishop of Tyler. It's just a man of faith. If you know the truth,
00:30:37.080 I believe you have to share it and certainly with respect and everything. But one thing that has been
00:30:43.800 clear for me, I pray for the day when I fade back into obscurity because I'm just saying what every
00:30:56.360 bishop is saying and everyone's saying it very clearly. And so, you know, I don't have the greatest,
00:31:03.080 clearest voice, but when no one's saying it, people pay attention. I pray for the day when,
00:31:12.200 you know, people forget who Bishop Strickland was because every bishop in the world is saying,
00:31:19.800 look to the heavens, look to God, be your highest self, believe this truth that's been revealed to us.
00:31:26.040 But as long as others aren't speaking, okay, people are going to listen that want the truth
00:31:33.560 because I'm going to keep speaking. And, you know, I don't know what comes next, but, you know,
00:31:40.680 the, because people are worried about me. My family's worried about me. It's one of the most peaceful
00:31:46.680 times in my life in 64 years. I have a lot of questions, but in the strength and the peace,
00:31:59.000 the only thing I can point to, of course, is Christ and spending time with Him. But knowing you're
00:32:05.880 speaking the truth, it really does set you free. I don't have to remember what I said a month ago and
00:32:13.000 say, okay, you got to keep the story straight. You just speak the truth. It's always the truth.
00:32:18.840 It doesn't change. I don't care who tells us it changes. That's ridiculous, really. We deepen our
00:32:26.600 understanding of the truth, but God is truth in being. I mean, God is the great I am. He is truth.
00:32:35.160 His son is truth incarnate. It doesn't change. We are the ones that need to change. And I think
00:32:42.840 that that's sadly where the church is. We're trying to, we, I say, as a church,
00:32:50.200 there's a real movement to make the church, make ourselves in our own image instead of realizing
00:32:57.160 we're made in the image and likeness of God. And that is a dangerous path. And a lot of what the
00:33:03.960 turmoil and the fracturing and the brokenness you see in families and individuals with young,
00:33:10.120 I mean, just across society, it's rooted in forgetting who we are, forgetting that we are of
00:33:17.080 God and trying to play God ourselves. We really mess it up. Amen to that. Thank you. Thank you so much for this.
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