Fr. James Altman's reaction to being removed as pastor at St. Patrick-St. Mary of the Immaculate Conception in St. Louis, Missouri, on the day of his removal from his position as pastor.
00:00:00.000We are speaking with Fr. James Altman, who, as you might have heard already, has just been served papers, if you will, by his bishop, removing his faculties, removing his pastor, which we already knew was coming.
00:00:12.980So you're going to want to stay tuned for this, a first reaction from Fr. Altman on the day of.
00:00:40.620Let's begin, as we always do, at the Son of the Cross.
00:00:42.400If you wouldn't mind leading us in the Son of the Cross, but also a little prayer that comes from your heart right now.
00:00:48.460All right. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
00:00:54.360Heavenly Father, we rely upon the witness of saints through the centuries, through the millennia.
00:01:00.000Especially one of my favorite, St. Philip Neary, who said, cast yourselves in the arms of God.
00:01:04.780Rest assured that if he wants anything of you, he'll fit you for the task and give you the strength.
00:01:09.480Certainly, as St. Paul said in Romans chapter 8, that all things work to the good for those who love God and are called according to his purpose.
00:01:17.360So we ask you, Father, to continue to guide us, inspire us, lead us to where you would have us go,
00:01:23.440so that we could serve you by serving your people, even unto martyrdom, red or white.
00:01:26.640And we ask this grace, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
00:03:23.480I don't know how it gets so far so fast.
00:03:25.460They called the office here today to talk to me and express their concerns.
00:03:31.960So, you know, if we believe in the Eucharist, which we do, and we know it nourishes us and sustains us in all things.
00:03:43.260And, you know, that is really one of the reasons why people sometimes think I get, like, shook up or upset.
00:03:49.100And I'm thinking, well, you know, if you're not, if you're denying my child food, the food, the bread of life.
00:03:55.440Well, if you're not upset about that, there was one of the great archbishops said, if it was Fulton J. Sheen, you know him.
00:04:01.520And he said, listen, if you can't get angry about stuff like that, then you can't, you can't love either.
00:04:06.540Because greater love has greater anger towards those things that are contrary to the salvation of our eternal souls, which is the only thing that matters in the end.
00:04:15.700So, the, so, but St. Paul said all things work to the good.
00:04:20.920And, and so even this somehow, some way, you know, you probably saw that picture where I was blessing all the people that came to pray when I was up on the roof at 7 p.m. at night on a Sunday when I was just dead tired.
00:04:32.360And there's that rainbow in the dove land right over my head.
00:05:06.420You know, if I get martyred in the end, well, so be it.
00:05:08.820Like I always joke, it might be the only way I get to heaven.
00:05:10.880What troubles me is the interference with the feeding of God's children, which is through word and through the sacrament, both of which were denied to people over the past 15 months.
00:05:26.600And as I said, they haven't come forward yet and apologized for denied.
00:05:35.280They have one job to do, which is to feed the people and take care of their eternal souls, not worry about whether you or me, you or I get a cough and something that 99.95% or something of people under the age of 70 recover very nicely.
00:05:47.900So what troubles me has nothing to do with me.
00:05:52.900And if I seem angry at times, it has nothing to do with me.
00:06:48.220So I guess, so I would hope that at least if somebody gets upset with me because they seem angry, that they realize that what is inspiring that anger is great love.
00:06:55.860Love for the people that seems to be a love that seems so devoid in so many of the bishops of the church, which is, well, you know, one day they'll have to answer to that.
00:07:07.380When I stand before our Lord and Savior, I'll say, listen, during that 15 months, I gave out over 70,000 holy communions on the tongue without a mask.
00:07:14.460And I didn't fear not even the slightest in one of them.
00:07:28.420You are most disturbed and agitated by the harm to souls, really, of the ones, particularly those who are misled in the faith.
00:07:41.320And that's what our Lord was vehement about as well.
00:07:44.520He's the one who said, you know, if you mislead the little ones, it'll be better for you that a millstone be tied about your neck and be thrown into the sea.
00:08:40.300I don't know if I'm at liberty to say that just yet, but it's crazy because that person can't come for another couple weeks.
00:08:46.840And so we have an 86-year-old retired priest who's going to be coming celebrating all the masses on Sunday, on Saturday, Sunday, I have five plus confessions.
00:08:57.020I mean, what are these people thinking?
00:08:58.120Why didn't they just wait to make this decision when that other pastor becomes available?
00:09:06.340Anyway, so it just means that I'm still the pastor.
00:09:09.740They can't remove you as pastor unless you, if you appeal it, unless you go, you know, until you go through the end of this appellate process, which can reverse the decision for different steps along the way.
00:09:58.680And so, so I'm asking for a clarification on that.
00:10:03.180Are you telling me that I can't serve these people to whom I've committed the extraordinary form, the high mass extraordinary form?
00:10:09.900There aren't many people around here that can do that, especially anybody that knows these families, as I do, that wanted me specifically to do this.
00:10:56.660And then it didn't say any restrictions on the anointing of the sick, which again, even a laicized McCarrick can do an anointing of the sick of the dying.
00:11:05.120So what it just means is that there wouldn't be like a regular functioning thing where I would go into the parish, which is, of course, what they're trying to get me out of.
00:11:15.380But, yeah, so that I think that's the best understanding, best way I can explain the faculties part.
00:11:23.560But not only are they denying me and those hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of other canceled priests, like I just had lunch with one today who hasn't had an assignment in nine years because of what's going on down in Rockford.
00:11:34.400That guy's a nightmare, that spawn of Rembert-Weakland, as you know.
00:11:39.820It just means you can't, you won't have a regular parish family to serve, which is the heart of the parish priest.
00:11:54.980They don't care about me, and they don't care about, you know, we've had, I think it's close to 50 now, parishioners, families joined the parish in the last 15 months, I think it's 16 who have left.
00:12:05.520We've tripled the amount who have left.
00:13:20.380It is an interesting perspective, because I think a lot of people, when they hear about, oh, Father Altman's been canceled by his bishop, they don't actually think of the families.
00:13:49.060I remember talking to you about, you know, the support we gave you for, you know, the petition.
00:13:57.060And it was funny, because you kept referencing how your people, the children in the parish, your children in the parish are so grateful.
00:14:03.740And really bringing that home, that understanding home that, wait a minute, this priest is actually a father in a very kind of a real way to his own parishioners.
00:14:17.040And it's the bishop is actually removing the father of these parishioners as well.
00:14:24.140So anyway, it's an interesting perspective, Father.
00:14:27.800A lot of people are going to be wondering about you, your future right now, your plans, your, you know, your, your state.
00:14:35.580I mean, you don't, you don't seem like you're up in arms.
00:14:47.380I've had, I've had incredible peace, regardless of what happens to me, just peace, because I said it this way, if this door closes, another one will open.
00:15:04.000And certainly I've had that experience in my life.
00:15:05.760If that's how we get prepared and practicing smaller doors open into bigger doors and then bigger doors closing and open up to even bigger doors.
00:15:31.820That's, that's not the way he works because then he, then we wouldn't be exercising our free will.
00:15:37.140Um, I am open to, um, what, what I would, what I would always be open to and what I would hope would always come through, no matter what people think about my manner and tone, they would recognize that's what's coming through.
00:15:49.800There is God's love, a love that I recognize, um, because he's loved me and I didn't deserve it.
00:15:58.160And so, uh, so I, I would hope that in, in everything that I do as this point, as we go forward, whatever that is going to be, um, that it's, uh, will be a means, an expression of God's love working through me, uh, which is what it always should be.
00:16:16.460And, and, and like I said, that's what a father does, isn't it?
00:16:32.780Um, so in whatever capacity, uh, whether it be, um, through theological speaking, through, uh, through just compassion, speaking of, of the compassion of Jesus for his people and how he's drawing them to him through bonds of love, through cords of love.
00:16:48.640I hope that's what, what the future holds.
00:16:50.880And, and, but I'm very much at peace, um, because it gets, yeah, there's a, isn't it that there's a kind of a funny little prayer that goes, uh, grant me to accept the things I cannot change.
00:17:04.100So there's something like that, right?
00:17:05.820There's a funny one where you throw a wine into there too.
00:17:08.140Give me wine for the things that I can't change.
00:17:33.800I, you know, I said it from day one that, uh, I give him credit as one of the very, very few who let us at least have some people come into church.
00:17:51.820How dare you only let nine people come into church when a thousand can go into Walmart and keep the abortuaries open, et cetera.
00:17:58.220Pot stores, liquor stores, only nine people in the cathedral across.
00:18:02.240So he knows, I, I don't, and I don't think he, I think, I think he maybe felt guilty.
00:18:08.340And then I said that as he should have, because it is a disgrace to your office.
00:18:15.060You know, uh, listen, I haven't, um, for him or anybody, any other bishop that whose names even I sometimes mention, I don't bring disgrace or discredit you.
00:20:13.900Uh, up to the present moment where someone does something to harm you and not only you, but, but in a way your spiritual children to still pray for them is, is quite, it's quite something.
00:20:26.320Um, it's, it's, it's not easy because sometimes you just want to not even not just pray.
00:20:31.700You know, I never wish you all right on him.
00:20:34.240I couldn't, how could I, um, but to actually pray that good things happen.
00:20:39.000Um, there, there is a difference between hoping bad things happen, which I never do, but, uh, but also praying that good things happen.
00:20:46.400Maybe, you know, if he changes his heart, um, I will say in this decree that it's in there somewhere, uh, he wants me to go on a 30 day retreat.
00:20:56.220Okay, let's say I'd love to go on a 30 day retreat at any point, because there's no time because I'm sacrificing myself with the family, uh, but, but to, to change my heart, listen, buddy, Bishop Callahan, if you're listening, 70,000 plus Holy Communions on the tongue without a mask.
00:21:26.880I just, yeah, no, you don't, you don't want me to change my heart, Bishop, because I have the heart of a priest.
00:21:32.600Why would he ever want me to change my heart?
00:21:35.120I'll tell you, he's already should be praying to have changes.
00:21:37.220All those, those priests that, that didn't even when they could have, when he gave that, like that, that you could have nine, including yourself.
00:21:44.480There were still some that wouldn't let people in.
00:21:46.940Hey, Bishop Callahan, pray that they change their heart.
00:21:51.580Send them on a 30-day retreat about what it means to be a father, to feed their children.
00:21:56.260I can't, you see how preposterous it is?
00:21:58.320I mean, how can you argue with something like that?
00:22:00.700And he wants, he wants me to change my heart.
00:22:03.640If I hope, uh, well, like, like Archbishop Fulton Sheen said, you know, if you've lost that capacity to, to love that deeply, you will lose the capacity to hate the sins so deeply.
00:22:13.780And that's nothing but sinful, to not do your job that you were ordained to do.
00:24:06.600It's that, it, it, now that I apparently am going to have more free time, there's no such thing.
00:24:11.880Uh, I hope to be able to better express my thanks to all of life sites, all that you have done for me, the, the prayers that you have sustained me with, the, the gifts that come in, that, all that, that donation thing that is going to help pay for not just me, but for other persecuted priests to defend themselves.
00:24:31.320I can't thank you enough, and, but I hope to have, at least thank you more, had time to do that.
00:24:37.600So thank you for your patience so far, even as I struggled to, to answer all the guards and letters, but I'm working on it.
00:24:44.900And now apparently I'll have more time to do so.
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