The John-Henry Westen Show - EXCLUSIVE： Michael Matt ｜ Pope Francis has sparked Catholic backlash. Part 1

00:00:00.000 Catholic history is full of, I think, more instances of confusion like this than we

00:00:05.040 necessarily want to allow for. I think there were a lot of times where it was where you

00:00:08.180 can look at Liberius and Athanasius. Did he or didn't he? Excommunicate Liberius. And

00:00:12.180 they're going to go round and round. You're going to see it in the comments section right

00:00:14.440 here on your show about Liberius, because these things are really not settled.

00:00:18.220 Hey, my friends. As we are now entering into the time of the Synod on Synodality, which we know is

00:00:33.020 going to be a nightmare for the Church, the lead-up, all of the pics of the Pope, and all of what's led

00:00:40.600 to the Synod itself, just a nightmare. So we're entering into a literal nightmare in the Church,

00:00:45.640 and as you know, we're going to have Rome Life Forum at the end of the Synod. We're going to

00:00:51.840 have a press conference right before the Forum, exactly after the completion of the Synod,

00:00:57.140 where Catholic leaders, lay Catholic leaders, are going to stand for tradition, going to stand for

00:01:03.180 the traditional faith against any novelties that might crop up. And I can't think of anyone better

00:01:11.160 to speak about that with someone who has fought this fight for not only this last decade, when it's been

00:01:22.740 the most insane, but has fought it in his family for generations. Michael Matt, with Remnant TV,

00:01:31.220 Remnant newspaper, has been in this fight for tradition, for the true faith, for, well, in his family for,

00:01:39.560 what, over a hundred years. And so it's incredible. And he comes not only from that family tradition,

00:01:47.800 he comes from a tradition of his own faith and devotion to this, which is truly remarkable.

00:01:53.960 Stay tuned for this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.

00:01:58.560 Hey, my friends, now is the time to stand up and fight. We are just about to have the Synod on

00:02:05.440 Synodality. And everything that you've seen indicates that it's going to be an absolute

00:02:10.840 disaster. We have Father James Martin as a personal appointee of the Pope speaking at it. We've got

00:02:18.100 Cardinal Cupich, Cardinal Tobin. These picks of the Pope to engage in this Synod are indicative of where

00:02:26.800 we're going. We're going into heresy. And at these times of great crisis, the church, especially those

00:02:35.160 called in the laity to work for the glory of Christ and his church, are called to gather and

00:02:42.480 strategize. Back in 2014, LifeSite launched something called Rome Life Forum. It was a gathering

00:02:48.440 at that point of some 75 life and family leaders from all around the world to strategize as to what we

00:02:55.620 could do. And when we gathered, the majority of people were most concerned about what? About Pope

00:03:01.660 Francis, about what was going on in Rome. But this was 2014. But the life and family leaders saw it

00:03:08.960 first. Now, a decade on, we are confronted with some of the most severe challenges the church has ever

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00:03:44.440 ministry, and with many life and family leaders from around the world. For LifeSite News, this is

00:03:49.880 John Henry Weston. And may God bless you.

00:03:54.580 Michael, Matt, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me, John Henry.

00:03:57.940 So good to be with you. Let's begin, as you always do, with the sign of the cross. In the name of the

00:04:01.600 Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Amen. So, Michael, you've been doing a lot. You're

00:04:09.460 running right now, your own conference here, which is very, very well known, the Catholic

00:04:14.680 Identity Conference. How long has that been going? We're at 12 years, I think, at this point. I lose

00:04:19.180 track, but I think it's about 12. So, for most of the apex of the revolution, you have been running

00:04:25.380 this conference, and it's needed because it's about the true Catholic identity. One of the themes that

00:04:31.980 you've also had here, going back, I think, to its beginning, has been Unite the Clans. And that's

00:04:38.680 never been more needed as it is today. We're seeing a division like, I didn't think possible.

00:04:47.200 I thought that we had enough division with, you know, just trying to keep orthodoxy in play, and

00:04:54.020 orthodoxy particularly around marriage and the family, which has been somehow the focus of so much

00:04:59.240 the attack. But of late anyway, and for you forever, the mass has been under attack and a focus

00:05:08.800 point, obviously. And I grew in my development, actually, of understanding the faith, largely

00:05:14.800 thanks to you and your focus on the mass. I mean, I had it from my youth and stuff like that, but really

00:05:20.520 didn't focus on it till after really watching what you were doing, and realizing, oh my gosh, obviously,

00:05:28.280 if they want to attack the faith, they're going to attack the mass first. So, tell us about Unite the 0.96

00:05:34.760 Clans, why that came so strong for you. Unite the Clans is, I think it's largely sort of

00:05:42.860 misunderstood or overcomplicated, I should say, because people think what it means is, you know, we got to put an

00:05:47.940 effort together whereby every fraternity of St. Peter priests, and every society of St. Pius the

00:05:52.580 10th priest, and every Institute of Christ the King priest, and every saint of a con, whatever,

00:05:55.680 everybody has to be exactly united before the mission to Unite the Clans is a success. And, of course,

00:06:01.480 that's not what it is at all. Because the clans, literally, specifically, I think you'd say,

00:06:06.500 has much more of an etymology or a definition as families. Families. We're talking about uniting the

00:06:13.280 families, which is uniting the Christian family of the world. All these families in the

00:06:17.700 Catholic Church are fighting against the culture war, they're homeschooling, they're doing everything

00:06:23.780 they can to survive, have the children keep the faith. Most of them go to the Latin Mass that I'm

00:06:28.620 talking about. Not all of them. Many of them do not. They don't have access to the Latin Mass.

00:06:33.200 There used to be this idea that if you didn't go to the Latin Mass, well, you know, you ostracize,

00:06:37.780 you get away from me. That's not fair, quite frankly. There are a lot of people who are doing the very best

00:06:42.360 they can to find the best liturgy they can. Of course, I exclusively go to traditional Latin Mass.

00:06:46.600 But that doesn't mean I anathematize everybody who doesn't have access to it.

00:06:50.680 So it's basically, Unite the Clans is basically a question of what are we called to do before God

00:06:56.600 with respect to Christian charity? We're called to do everything we possibly can to unite.

00:07:01.980 And if we do that, if we don't let things like disagreements, internet sign squabbling get in the

00:07:08.100 way of bringing us all together as Christian men and women, we're going to become a force to be

00:07:13.020 reckoned with. And I think we have become, and by we, I just mean faithful Catholics. That's it. 0.53

00:07:18.680 We've invented nothing new. Our security, our assurance that we have the truth is that we stand

00:07:23.980 on the teaching of Holy Mother Church, the infallible teaching of the Church. We've invented nothing new.

00:07:28.560 So if we can come together on that and say, listen, there's nothing in the Creed that says,

00:07:32.060 I believe in the Pope. So the Pope should not be, at this particular point, when we have,

00:07:37.020 I would say the worst Pope in history, shouldn't necessarily be a point of division. What unites

00:07:42.120 us as families is our belief in every tenet of the Creed. And that's most important. Can I say

00:07:48.620 the Creed with you? And can we sort of try to survive this incredible, unprecedented period of

00:07:54.580 revolution in the Church? And I would say, yes, it's absolutely not only possible to unite the

00:07:59.880 clans, it's already happening. In fact, to a large degree, it's already happened. Traditionis

00:08:04.880 Gustotus itself, which is the Pope's message or his attempt to cancel the Latin mass, is proof 0.99

00:08:11.100 positive how the clans of Christendom have come together to such an extent that a very modernist,

00:08:16.740 globalist Pope sees the uniting of those clans as a serious threat. And in a sense, he's sort of

00:08:22.440 making a fool of himself right now, trying to cancel the mass of little homeschool families and kids. 0.50

00:08:27.860 And you know what I mean? Like, these are not militant people who are trying to make war on the Pope. 0.96

00:08:31.400 They're just simple families trying to survive. And yet he seems to see that as a serious threat.

00:08:35.600 And you know what? He's right. It is a threat. He should see it as a threat, because we're not going

00:08:40.340 away. Now, it's a very interesting thing we have playing out before us, because, and it struck me

00:08:48.960 like a ton of bricks. And that was when I saw good cardinals fighting good cardinals, good bishops

00:08:55.920 fighting good bishops. I always used to think Akita was about, you know, when the inner message,

00:09:00.980 Our Lady of Akita talked about, you will come to a time when you will see bishops fighting against

00:09:05.680 bishops, cardinals against cardinals. I always used to think, oh, that's obviously that the good

00:09:09.840 cardinals have to fight against, like, it'll be Burke against sewage, but obviously it has to be,

00:09:13.800 because they have to defend faith. The upset over many of the latest things, the traditional mass

00:09:21.300 being one, but also over COVID and the jab mandate, but also over this concept of the Pope. Now, what is

00:09:31.560 the Pope? Is he the Pope or whatever? A lot of that has created divisions inside the church hierarchy

00:09:37.120 from, but among the good, among those who you'd say are, should be all in the United Klan, because

00:09:44.520 we're trying to defend the faith. And yet there is such massive, massive division. And it's really

00:09:52.580 tough. I've taken a position that is really neutral, because honestly, I don't know. But it's hard to sit

00:09:58.840 in the middle when you're watching really good, holy men and women be on either side of a debate

00:10:05.880 that's massive. The thing with the Pope, we all know that, you know, Father Altman has come out

00:10:13.460 and said what he said, and that created a massive stir in the church. But he wasn't the first one. He

00:10:19.380 wasn't the first prelate to have said so. He wasn't even the first most high-ranking prelate. We have

00:10:23.780 two prelates who said so as well, Bishop Rene Grasida from Texas and Archbishop Jan Pavalenga,

00:10:31.560 who is from Kazakhstan. He was actually the former superior of Bishop Schneider, who is himself one

00:10:39.380 who would suggest that those, that should never even be thought of, that, you know, Francis isn't

00:10:44.100 the Pope. But they're both retired. And maybe that's something, because they're both retired.

00:10:49.220 I'm just, I'm trying to put this together and where this fits in terms of church history and where we

00:10:53.340 are. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Well, I mean, it's just been repeated so often, it's become a

00:10:57.900 cliche that during the Abagnon captivity, that there were saints on both sides, where there

00:11:03.020 was a Pope and an anti-Pope, and there were saints on both sides of the anti-Pope as well,

00:11:06.860 who was the Pope. So, you know, Catholic history is full of, I think, more instances of confusion

00:11:14.020 like this than we necessarily want to allow for. I think there were a lot of times where it was

00:11:17.760 where you can look at Liberius and Athanasius. Did he or didn't he? Excommunicate Liberius.

00:11:21.920 And they're going to go round and round. You're going to see it in the comments section right

00:11:24.240 here on your show about Liberius, because these things are really not settled. And so I think

00:11:29.340 what we have to consider is, again, where is everybody at on this? And what can we do to

00:11:35.780 stay together? Like, hang it, hold it together, hold it together, you know? So, for example,

00:11:40.080 you mentioned two retired bishops. Even if Bishop Schneider or Bishop Strickland thought

00:11:45.380 in their heart of hearts, which they don't, as far as I know, but let's say they thought

00:11:49.360 that Francis isn't the Pope. He's lost the Pope through heresy or whatever. We would have to ask

00:11:53.480 ourselves a question. If they make that pronouncement too soon, they take themselves

00:11:58.340 and their influence out. So now we say, okay, well, you got to say the right thing. You got

00:12:01.720 to speak the truth no matter what, right? Well, maybe. Sir Edmund Campion didn't think so.

00:12:07.260 St. Thomas More didn't think so. They kept it to themselves because they know they have

00:12:11.120 to stay in the fight for as long as they can. Father Michael Pro with the Cristeros, he could

00:12:15.540 have gone out and gotten himself killed on day one. I denounced Caius, you know, and died.

00:12:20.840 No. He dresses in disguise. He goes out even as a ladies' man, like kind of go hit the town

00:12:25.220 as a priest so he can administer to his flock so he doesn't die on the first hill that comes

00:12:30.540 along. And so I think it's really important to think about the advantage. Like, what is

00:12:34.960 the best chance we have to undermine what's happening in the Vatican right now? Is it for

00:12:38.740 each of us just to go rogue? And we have our 15 minutes of fame, and we said it like it

00:12:42.860 is, and pretty soon we're talking to our mom and her friends, and that's it. Because

00:12:46.500 everybody else is like, yeah, I don't know, you know. So I think if there's a chance that

00:12:51.940 Francis, you know, is going to continue to go down this road, it's going to become very

00:12:54.860 untenable, the situation. We're going to find out after the Synod or during the Synod.

00:12:59.080 What we want right now is for rightful authority to exercise the maximum influence to stop this

00:13:07.720 Pope or to stop what's happening in the Vatican, put it that way. And if we begin going off half-cocked

00:13:14.760 and too soon, well, the Cardinal Mullers of the world, the Bishop Schneiders, the Bishop

00:13:18.920 Strickland are going to pull back. What do we got there? We've got a division in the most

00:13:22.320 organized opposition Francis has ever faced. So there is a strategic concern here to say,

00:13:27.940 okay, well, I don't have anything to leave. I could say it right now. Francis isn't the

00:13:30.680 Pope. And then I get to keep doing my work. Fine. If Bishop Schneider does that, he's done.

00:13:35.700 If Cardinal Muller does that, he's not even Cardinal Muller anymore. He's Archbishop Muller,

00:13:40.060 because Francis made him a Cardinal. You see what happens, how it unravels. So you have to ask the

00:13:43.820 question, is it cowardice that prevents them? Or is it a certain desire, like a Father Pro,

00:13:49.400 like Edmund Campion, like a Klaus von Stauffenberg going after Hitler, keep your powder dry until you 0.56

00:13:55.760 can maximize your influence to stop a terrible situation from getting any worse. And there's

00:14:01.060 where I would encourage your viewers to pray about this. It may not be that the best thing you can do

00:14:07.320 is declare Francis isn't the Pope. That may be John Henry exactly what he wants, because then he

00:14:13.900 can say to the world, well, look at these crazy traditionals. I'm the one in white. I live in the

00:14:18.680 Casa Santa Marta. I'm the Pope. He can look at the entire world and say, is there a Pope? And the

00:14:24.420 whole world says, yes, there is a Pope. Who is the Pope? You are, Francis. You see, he has that. That's

00:14:30.480 his strongest card to play. He looks at us. We say, he's not the Pope. He says, who cares? So what

00:14:36.560 have we done? We've minimized our ability just to put pressure on the Vatican, because we're all

00:14:41.220 talking about the next conclave now, I think. I think that's the best hope. I know what you're

00:14:46.020 thinking. That's going to be a disaster, and I think it probably will be. But the Holy Ghost has

00:14:49.660 intervened in the past, and he may again. And I think we need to help the cardinals and the bishops

00:14:54.120 who are applying the pressure as best as we possibly can, because as you just said, you're a smart guy,

00:14:59.060 and you do this for a living, you don't even know for sure. So if we don't know for sure,

00:15:04.520 stick with the thing, stick with the faith, stick with what unites us, and support these guys,

00:15:09.540 these priests and prelates who are putting pressure on the Vatican right now. Cardinal

00:15:13.440 Muller is at the top of the list as far as I'm concerned, and Cardinal Burke. And let's see where

00:15:16.820 this goes. But going off half-cocked may not be the right thing to do. It may not be God's will at all.

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00:16:06.780 With that, with regard to Pope Francis, you said at the outset that he's the worst pope in history. I

00:16:17.920 don't even think that's contestable anymore. I also don't think it's contestable that he's guilty of

00:16:23.960 heresy. Four formal ones in documents, but then every time, not every time, but you know what I mean,

00:16:29.680 so often when he opens his mouth, particularly when he's in a plane, just flouting church teaching.

00:16:34.620 Now, funny, he does say stuff that is in accord with church teaching. This last week, he defended

00:16:40.940 life in terms of going down the euthanasia road. But he does this. But I've seen him do this so many

00:16:46.620 times, go down one way, and then go the other way hard. And so much so that I cringe. Every time he

00:16:54.200 says something pro-life, I'm like, uh-oh, what's coming? I remember what his strongest statement on

00:17:00.000 life was, uh, abortion is not only wrong, it's a crime, but contraception is a lesser evil. And I

00:17:08.020 was like, hokey. And the pro-life world concentrated on the pro-life comment and didn't look at what

00:17:13.020 he was saying about contraception, basically overturning the teaching. I'd like to hear you

00:17:17.100 on that first. And I have another question to follow up for you that's going to be very

00:17:19.700 interesting about the false prophet. But tell us what you've seen about this communication

00:17:24.060 from Francis of going one way, seeing something good, and then turning around.

00:17:27.600 It's the, it's the, he's the consummate modernist. Only I would say he's not that smart. For a

00:17:33.220 Jesuit, I don't think he's that smart, because we're all seeing through him. People have been

00:17:36.340 seeing through Francis from the beginning. When he has one and a half languages, I don't

00:17:39.320 think he's the cosmopolitan modernist that people are ascribing or thinking, well, he's a

00:17:44.340 Jesuit, he must be. But I don't think he's that brilliant, because he keeps making these

00:17:47.360 mistakes. His position on abortion, okay, it's like hiring a hitman. Okay, that sounds

00:17:52.880 terrible. And we're all, you know, I mean, that sounds great. We're all, you know, going

00:17:55.720 to jump on that. But what about the mortal sin of abortion? What about everlasting damnation?

00:18:01.000 You know, what about the fact that a baby just died without baptism? And the doctor and the

00:18:04.980 mother now murdered the baby? No, no talk about that at all, because it's very politically

00:18:08.840 incorrect. So like our own country in the US, half the country is more or less pro-life, so

00:18:13.880 they say. Saying comments like that from the Pope, it's kind of like,

00:18:17.360 duh, he's the Pope. Yeah, I guess he's not in favor of abortion. Good for him. But I 0.99

00:18:20.900 mean, oh my gosh, is the bar that low? So I would say, to answer your question, I think

00:18:25.240 the other day I confronted a good friend of mine. I said, okay, you think Francis has

00:18:29.520 lost his office through heresy? What would be his number one heresy, in your opinion? What

00:18:36.560 is the number one heresy? And he went, well, probably Pachamama. And I said, and what

00:18:44.360 dogma did he deny through the Pachamama scandal? And he couldn't come up with it. He's a good

00:18:48.980 guy. He's a smart guy. And this is what we have to do with almost everything he says.

00:18:54.220 What dogma did he deny when he said, gee, when Our Lady was at the foot of the cross,

00:18:57.740 she must have been thinking, you know, you lied to me. That's a ridiculous thing to say. 0.99

00:19:02.320 But that's not heresy. So, and I'm not defending him in the least. I'm saying we need to hone

00:19:06.340 our polemic so that we really understand. You remember the famous one, John Paul kissed

00:19:10.240 the Koran. Heresy, he's not the Pope. We don't know what he meant by that. We don't know if

00:19:14.580 he even knew it was the Koran. We don't know if he was just doing something he thought dignitaries

00:19:18.640 and heads of state are supposed to do, venerate something. We don't know anything about that,

00:19:22.100 right? So I think that's the big problem with Francis is he knows we don't. So he plays both

00:19:26.280 sides of things. He says one thing and he'll say it again. It's like he's right from the beginning.

00:19:30.340 He'll say these things about the devil, how bad the devil is, because he has a sort

00:19:34.480 of South American attitude about that sort of thing. They have festivals and pageants 0.98

00:19:38.780 in the streets where they have devils, you know, dressed up and then they have angels

00:19:41.660 and they go through the streets and it's a beautiful thing to see actually. But he knows

00:19:44.820 that's going to play. But is that the, is that the Holy Father really going up against

00:19:50.680 evil or is that him sort of tossing a bone to the little children and the older people

00:19:54.820 who still think that, you know, hell and the devil is a relevant thing? I don't know. And

00:19:59.600 that's just the point. We don't know. So I think when it comes to this, on all of these

00:20:03.500 issues, you have to, and if you don't know for sure, go to a good theologian and say,

00:20:07.680 okay, was that heresy? Did he just deny a dogma of the faith? And then it gives you

00:20:12.020 a starting point. But just looking at all the scandals and saying, I know those are

00:20:15.440 all heresies. If you say that, I think then you run the risk of minimizing again, reducing

00:20:19.880 your ability to have a serious influence with people right now who are very confused

00:20:23.300 because he kind of went off half cocked on something. When Francis said to the kids in

00:20:27.640 Argentina, wherever you want, no, he wasn't Argentina, one of the world youth days, go out

00:20:31.020 and make a mess. All right. That's ridiculous, but it's not heresy.

00:20:34.600 No. No. 0.95

00:20:35.920 Amoris de Tizia was heresy in his first allowance for divorce, remarried communion. And even

00:20:42.720 in there, when it was confusing and people said, well, and we had those theologians make

00:20:47.300 the interpretation. They had to do mental gymnastics to interpret it properly. Then Francis came

00:20:52.320 out in the Acta Postola e Quesedas to clarify, no, he meant the heretical interpretation.

00:20:55.480 So it's clear in certain cases. It's also clear in Gaudete de Exultate, where he reverses

00:21:04.500 the order of the importance vis-à-vis immigration and abortion, which is the teaching of the church

00:21:10.920 and reiterated by the U.S. bishops about the primacy of abortion. So there are actual cases

00:21:16.380 that have been delineated by theologians. You've got it on your site. It's all over Life's

00:21:21.920 site. So we have actual cases. The death penalty is another one with the catechism.

00:21:27.640 I think we'd have to, if you don't mind me interrupting before I forget, I think one of

00:21:32.600 the big problems that we have there is proving pertinacity. So now that's what Cardinal Burke

00:21:39.440 and the Dubia Cardinals were trying to do. They were trying to say, Holiness, what do you mean

00:21:42.960 by this? In the Morse de Tizia, what are you saying here? Of course, he never answered that.

00:21:46.440 So now it's a question of, he has to deny a dogma of the faith. He has to be informed.

00:21:52.780 The main thing that we have to understand as far as declaring a pope has lost his office

00:21:57.200 through heresy is there's a canonical process. He has the right to a defense, just like we

00:22:02.560 would in regular jurisprudence, in regular court of law. You can disagree with him all

00:22:07.420 day long. You can say, no, I know what he's really doing, but still, at the end of the day,

00:22:10.240 he has a right. So he has to be informed that he's a heretic, that what he said is heretical.

00:22:14.320 And then he has to remain pertinaciously, basically digging in. I don't care, I'm going to continue

00:22:21.180 to be a heretic no matter what. Because otherwise what you have is you have like the famous case 0.99

00:22:25.620 of Pope John the 22nd on the particular versus general judgment. So the question is, we all

00:22:31.980 agree that Pope John the 22nd accepted or publicly taught a heretical proposition or position and

00:22:40.080 that he held to it and that it was official. Did he lose his office during the time from when he

00:22:45.960 first made this heretical proclamation to the time that he recanted, which he did towards the end of

00:22:50.780 his life, he recanted because traditionalists applied pressure and said, this is heresy.

00:22:55.140 And I've asked lots of theologians about, did he lose his office? Because that's key. If John the

00:22:59.140 22nd lost his office, it settles it for us. But did he? Not one person says, not one theologian I've

00:23:05.160 talked to maintains that he lost his office due to heresy. Pope Pius X talks about the modernists,

00:23:11.600 which modernism he calls the synthesis of all heresies. That's pretty serious. Did he say anything

00:23:17.760 about them being outside the church or losing their office? No. He says they're at the heart and bosom of

00:23:23.140 the church. And that's the problem. So that's where it gets really ticklish. We can all, I'm just a,

00:23:28.160 I'm not a theologian. I'm just a guy. But in talking to theologians, like, wow, this is so

00:23:32.220 complicated. And it's, and the church never envisioned, I don't think, a Francis. And that's a big problem

00:23:38.380 too. They never saw. So everything we know about people infallibility and indefectibility comes from

00:23:43.840 this idea that you will never disagree with a Pope. A Pope is always going to be strengthening

00:23:49.260 doctrine, not undermining it. Well, we have one now who fits the bill that, of what, what Cardinal

00:23:54.520 Saint, uh, Saint Robert Ellermann mentioned. He's trying to destroy the church. So you have to

00:23:59.340 resist him. But that doesn't settle it because for every, for every Bellarmine quote I can give,

00:24:03.780 I know our state of, state of the consciousness can come back with five more. And that's why it gets

00:24:08.080 really murky. It's very difficult to determine. Yeah.

00:24:19.260 Thank you.

The John-Henry Westen Show - October 05, 2023

EXCLUSIVE： Michael Matt ｜ Pope Francis has sparked Catholic backlash. Part 1

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